Continuing Celine Dion Versus Mariah CareyThis post is for comments continuing the discussion sparked by the Monarc_2002 editorial viewable here asking whether Celine Dion or Mariah Carey has had the more successful career. November 15, 2010 Jeff C Opinion «Natalia Kills Describes Her Dark Pop SoundBG5 ‘Scratch’ Video»Related NewsStill More On Celine Dion Versus Mariah CareyCeline Dion Versus Mariah Carey – Round 4The Top Selling Female Artist Madonna Or Mariah CareyMariah Carey Wishes Celine Dion A Happy BirthdayMariah Carey Expresses Sympathy For Celine Dion 329 thoughts on “Continuing Celine Dion Versus Mariah Carey” FoR mOOriAH /sH**ney FanS says: November 15, 2010 at 12:36 pm– Album salesceline sold over 200 million copies from 1990-2007 as her label / RIAA / ifpi prove!!celine is named the best selling female artist of all time by everyone.who cares about sh**ney ? she is so irrelevant to music ! heheheceline got awards this decade for album sales ! lol ! sh**ney got what ?– toursceline has the biggest contract for an entrtainement live show ever !she was the highest grossing solo touring act in the biggest market this decade !!she owns the 2nd highest grossing tour ever !!!over 500m dollars from touring !! heheh … sh**ney ? mooriah ?– DVD salesceline set records with her DVDs in 2007 , 2008 , 2010 !shintye houston no DVD sales ! ouch !you are all desperate giving credit to houston for the sales of ”bodyguard” !! hehewhy ? because she sang half the album ? lolTitanic sold 30 million copies thanks to the smash hit ”my heartwill go on” but no one gives credit to Celine ! hehehewe don’t need these sales to prove anything…your facts are false and biased and they refer to local awards : exmplp. ”whitney has 7 consec, numb. 1 in us”what about world facts ?give us world records about the PRESENT !!!You mention records of 1992 and 1996 ? ?lol !whintey is done ! mooriah releases her 3rd flop in a row ! hehe ouch !this decade sh**ney –> FLOPMooriah mega flop -> glitter / charmbracelet / remixies / greatest hits / ballads / memoirs / merry xmas / playlisr !! heheheceline albums that didn’t sell much such as unison / miracle / a new day still were succesful for the label,due to lack of budget and promo !celine’s latest album -> platinum in us/uk/australia/europe2 platinum south Africa / china4 platinum in Canada !! -> 4m Worldwide ! :Dwhitney’s lataest album FLOP ! 2M The most,no hit singles, tour was awful !mooriah’s memoirs -> mega flop ! only gold in us,sylver in uk and gold in a few other countries !! looool1m the most OUCHCeliiiiiine rules…!!!!!!!! Her Movie break records and her DVD as well….she was the highest earning musician of the 00’s….mooriah and sh**ney NOT IN THE LIST ! hehehehheheee Joanne says: November 16, 2010 at 12:40 amDiscussions of who sold more and BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH are endless and a waste of time. Just enjoy the artist’s music and embrace it. Bob says: November 16, 2010 at 10:28 amI love the three.But honestly,I think Whitney and Mariah are better than Celine vocally and artistrilly.Celine got much more success in touring and concerts.Mariah got more achievements than Celine and Whitney.Whitney is the master and the influence of Mariah and Celine’s sing style we must respected her even if she lose her voice.In resume the three are legends. But Joanne is right ,let’s just enjoy musics. stuart says: November 16, 2010 at 7:14 pmu all have to face that now…. Mariah is losing her voice…….whitney is gone..only? Celine whom exist between older singer…..she tours sells albums…mariah and Whitney have been more flop that decade…celine wins for me, Stephanie says: November 17, 2010 at 8:44 amYou are crazy on saying Mariah lost her voice ! Mariah’s voice still better than Celine’s.Just listen the songs from her latest Christmas album .She sound even better than Celine in her Christmas album These are Special Times ! Let’s don’t lie and be objective . Both artists are good . monique says: November 18, 2010 at 1:39 amceline the queen.mariah is so irrelevant.she doesn’t tour,she only makes albums in studios to make moneyy.people noticed that,thas why no one buys her albums,sells her body to make hits.some download her songs but there it ends for her.one album sold well this decade. celine is the queen.so elegant,cute and kind,she traveled the world many times.to share her songs with fans..she works so hard and that’s why she is number 1.she tours,people buy tckets and then dvd’s..celine is a huge album seller,she doesn’t need hits to sell an album.mariah tries so hard toget a hit and even if she does no one buys her album now like it happen with memoirs of an imperfect angel.celine has a special bond with her fans,because they saw her live,so her albums sell many copies no matter the hits.people call Celine irrelevant but this is why her songs are sent to adult contemporary stations where the become hits and no in mainstream radios.Celine has hits most people don’t know because of that (have you ever been in love,faith,my love,stand by your side,you and i) …mariahs songs are sent to mainstream radios and especiall that decade,most of them flop. (never too far,boy I need u,through the rain,bringing on the heartbreak,say something,i stay in love, bye bye, I will be lovin you long time,hateu,angels cry,up out my face,100percent) she also sings in french and has many records.the best selling french artist.most records in france.the best selling Canadian artist ever.and generally the best selling female artist ever.the queen Celine !! 200 million albums in the world! Stephanie says: November 18, 2010 at 10:19 amI think it’s a matter of opinion.Mariah was most successful than Celine in the 1990’s ( the most successful decade ) ,Celine was more successful in the 2000’s ( the less successful decade ).Mariah’s global legacy is bigger than Celine’s ,all decades combined( musical influence,contribution and revolution ).But Celine’s success is bigger all decades combined ( concert tickets sold, French albums sold ,income,etc…).But Mariah still sold more singles than Celine .It belong to us to know what is the most important for us and for music.Personally,I think Mariah is better than Celine. Stephanie says: November 18, 2010 at 10:28 amAnd let’s not forget vocal beauty and ability ! Mariah’s voice is better than Celine’s till now.That’s not just my opinion,but an obvious fact : listen her songs ,especially her last Christmas album.Mariah’s voice is clearly better.I don’t say so to upset anyone but just because it’s true and obvious.though I love both Celine and Mariah,Mariah still my favorite. FoR mOOriAH FanS says: November 18, 2010 at 10:35 pm@ Stephanie Give it a rest already !! celine’s voice is definitely better ! Mariah hits herself down like an octapus everytime she tries to hit a note ! all in all,if she was THAT great wouldn’t people demand to see her live ?You use words ”facts / obvious / clear” to support sth SUBJECTIVE – your opinion !!Let me tell you that by far most people believe Celine has a stronger voice than Mariah.@ EveryoneMoooriah was bigger than Celine from 1990-1995 & 2005 ! There it ENDS !!Celine kills her in total album sales !Destroys her in tours !!Sold much more DVDs than MOMO that wrote history !!WhOOriah sold more singles but who cares about singles ? they are really cheap (compared to albums) and now everything is downloaded !! she paid radio stations to support her – greatest payola bitch ever !!! dropped price of her singles to get hits (loverboy) !! she was paid money to leave her label ! heheheheCeline’s albums always make profit ! No flops to damage the label like glitter,charmbracelet,memoirs !even momo’s new xmas album will flop due to lack of promo ! her label prefers to support riri’s new album ”loud” than momo’s album ! she dropped the level so much…5th flop in a row ( e=mc2 / ballads / playlist / memoirs / merry xmas 2 u) !! another one and she gets dropped by island def jam as well ! hehehehe Emil says: November 19, 2010 at 11:15 pmHey Guys !Where is Celine and where is Mariah now ? In late 2010…Mariah is taking a break and is probably disapponted by her album and singles sales.E=MC2 did not chart strongly worldwide despite the hit lead single.Same and worse goes for MEMOIRS OF AN IMPERFECT ANGEL.And her new Christmas Album will not even be given a worldwide release in stores,while the lead single charted only in Holidays charts.She has almost zero incom from touring. I Think these years (2008-2010) were even worse than (2001-2003) for her.Celine is resting now.She just gave birth to twins,is happy more than ever and almost ready to release a new french and a new English album and of course do Vegas ! Her shows were sold out of course,despite the high prices ! In 2010 she released 2 DVDs that became smash selling,mainly in Us and Canada where they debuted at the number 1 spots ! Her Taking Chances tour became a smash success worldwide,proving how relevant Celine still is,while her album sold more than any Mariah’s release in this era.The album Taking Chances became multiplatinum or platinum in many countries,despite the release of another platinum album that same year (2007).And All these while she was doing sell out shows in Las Vegas and recieving many awards for her sales and contribution.No Doubt who is number 1 ! Celine was huge in Quebec in the 80’s when her albums were released there,huge worldwide in 90’s (albums/singles/dvd/tours/awards) and kept up going in the 00’s with huge incom from touring and album sales ! she is the ultimate singer ! I Hope she does that well this decate too !! Latonya says: November 20, 2010 at 2:04 pmIt don’t matter $hit what you write ppl!FUGline LIPSYNCIon, FATriah COWry, WHOREdonna are NOWHERE in da history of music.Deir influence = ZERO.MRS WHITNEY is #1. SOOOOOOO MANY ARTISTS STILL CITE WHITNEY AS INSPIRATION!Get wit da program ppl!MRS HOUSTONS Bodyguard >>>>>>>>>>>>> FUGlines, FATriahs, WHOREdonnas discographies.This is a FACT. People know about it.She STILL has THE VOICE. YES. THE VOICE. THE TITLE Mrs OPRAH WHINFREY and da entire United States, heck DA ENTIRE WORLD gave to her.Guyz just listen to Mrs Whitney song: “I DIDNT KNOW MY OWN STRENGTH”. THE VOICE. Oprah crying when MRS Whitney performed.FATriah? LMDAO!!! Da bitch can only scream and whistle like crazzy dese dayz. Done effed her voice. Did you guyz listen to “Mine (FLOP) Again”? LMDAO! Talk about SCREAMING!FUGline? She done lost dat voice. Dat voice is LOST. DEAD. GONE. BURRIED. She stoped singing LIVE complettely because she KANT! LMDAO! Did you guys listen to her song “Taking FLOPS”? LMDAO! She KANT even belt.WHOREdonna? LMDAOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! Dis bitch is da worst of all. She don’t even have a ballad song. LMDAO!!Just listen to MRS Whitney’s song: I DIDNT KNOW MY OWN STRENGTH. Listen to her long notes in da end!THE VOICE. And this is a FACT all people around da world admit. FoR mOOriAH /sH**ney FanS says: November 20, 2010 at 3:26 pmYou don’t care ? then why do you come back bitch ?Learn how to write uneducated ghetto trash ! heheheeYeah Weedney is Da Voice -> youtube.com/watch?v=b1q6pL6FRFUHehehe ! she is so high because of DRUGS !She can’t sing because of DRUGS !Look at her..she is sweat on stage and looks like sh** hehe !That’s why people LEFT her tour in Astralia and UK ! FACT !Is there sth worse that this ? lol 1 NO RESPECT FOR DA ”ARTIST”7 Years with no album and her sh** flopped ! hehehe !Celine outsold her in tours and her Taking Chances AlbumSold MORE !! OUCH !!Noone admits her as Voice ! As Drugs queen perhaps ! lolshe disappointed eveyrone !took the respect she once had , threw it in your Ghetto face and went back to her crack pipe !!she is so irrelevant to music scene today ! no adult contemporay , no dance , no mainstream singer ! nothing !she released Million dollar bill after 8 years and the song peaks at number 100 ! Hahahahahha jaahhahahahahhahahaSoooooooo pathetic………how does it feel to support a loser ? ? ? MARIAH & WHITNEY are the best ! says: November 21, 2010 at 7:57 amYou will when you believe that Mariah Carey and Whitney Houston are the two best FEMALE ARTISTS OF ALL TIMES and THE BEST FEMALE SINGERS EVER ! Momo says: November 21, 2010 at 9:22 am@ Mooriah fans.About voice,just compare Celine’s 1998 O come all ye faithfull with Mariah’s 2010 ‘s version.Mariah blow the Celine’s version.Mariah Carey is the best selling female artist of all times and the best singer ever ! FoR mOOriAH FanS says: November 21, 2010 at 10:29 pm@ Momo … Bite me , will Ya ?Who cares ? Like 200.000 people worldwide will but her new xmas trash ! he he he ! so flop and irrelevant ! people buy Susan boyle’s album instead and riri’s ! lol ! Weedney is artistically dead and Mariah flops !Celine kills them in album sales , voice , tours , DVD ! She still had many AC Hits and rules !! Fact !! Just wait for her new albums in 2011 & her Vegas Show that is ALREADY SOLD OUT IRRELEVANT PIGS ! Trish says: November 23, 2010 at 8:30 am@ Mooriah Scarey fans :Fu** you,idiot ! motherfu**er! Don’t you ashamed to spread your sh**s here ? You’re crazy ! Get yourself a dildo as unison leave you alone now,a**hole ! Unison damaged your ass and you continue to pander to Celine ?? Now,Which sold more among Madonna and Celine ? Get a life and fu** your bitch-mother,dirty a**hole ! Mariah Carey towards Cameline and Whoredonna in everything !Sorry . Tomislav Pavlinic says: November 23, 2010 at 11:07 amCeline Dion is the empress of pop & Mariah & Whitney are material stars plus Celine believes in bringing her children on a responsible manner. Tomislav Pavlinic says: November 23, 2010 at 11:12 ammillion dollar bill is a trashy garbage of an lyric fullstop Tomislav Pavlinic says: November 23, 2010 at 11:12 ammariah is a hooker of a gangster woman. Latonya says: November 23, 2010 at 4:02 pm***HAD TO COPY MY PREVIOUZ MSSG COZ NONE OF U BISHES COULD REFUTE ANYTHUNG OF WHAT I WRITTEN.FoR mOOriAH FanS/Unison/My Love/Lucky Luke/CelineDionFan7/THE SAME PERSON posting from all diz namez. Do you understand HOW GOTT DAMMED P-A-T-H-E-T-I-C and empty of life, yes EVERYDAY life, you are you had to actually post not from one. not two but 5 yes FIVE different names? LMDAAAAOOOOOO! STILL couldn’t refute ANY of my points:(UPDATE: I see you now post from yet ANOTHER name: Emil. Cmon now gerl get A LIFE. Go out, meet people DO SOMETHING wi ur life instead ofs sitting ALL DAY EVERRY DAY defending FUGline. She don’t know you she dint guve a care bout u!!!!!)MRS WHITNEY ELISABETH HOUSTON is not only THE MOST SUCCESSSFUL, BEST SELLING & AWARDED female artist in the histroy of music but she also HAS da voice. THE VOICE. Guinness world records CNN and every available news outlet supports this. Da voice that LIPSYNCHIne Dion no longa haz. DEAL WIT DA FACTS lil kid.No FATriah, NO LIPSYNCHine, NO WHOREdonna.MRS ELIZABETH WHITNEY HOUSTON BROWN. YES! After her comes MRS Mary J Blige. The Queen of Hip Hop Soul.MRS WHITNEY isSuccessful MOVIE STAR (The Bodyguard SH**S on Fatriahs Precious, WHOREDONNAS Whos dat girl and LIPSYNCHInes… Well….. LIPSYNCHINes…. well…… EMPTY, ZERO MOVIE CAREER. The despperate ugly ANCIENT chick wants 2 star in films yet NO ONE hires er. BEcause she is NO star and a certified FLOP. See that UltraFLOPPED tour documentary she did only her family watched LMDAOOOOOO!)ONE UNTOUCHHABLE VOICE (I WILL ALWAYS LOVE YOU sh**s on LIPSYNCHINES my fart will go on, FATriahs Without Chu, WHOREDONNAs all songz)THE HIGHEST SALES EVER (Da Bodyguard outsold EVERY SIINGGLE ALBUM FROM WHOREDonna, FatRriah, and LIPSYNCHINE).Now RUN ALONG. HAHAHA. FoR mOOriAH /sH**ney FanS says: November 23, 2010 at 11:49 pm@ Lantoya Hey Bitch ! why don’t you say that I am behind every nickname that supports Celine here ? hehehe !I mean you forgot monique and tomislav ! hehehe !what ”da facts” are you talking about? What facts ? what facts ? bring em here coward !! calling her best selling is your fu**ing opinion , not a fact ! whitney sh**ston takes credit for bodyguard although she sang HALF DA ALBUM ! he he eh…all of you are so pathetic trying to add to her total sales the bodyguard soundtrack !!No one touches her voice ? hehehehhehehenooooo ! Drugs DO TOUCH her voice !!Whitney will always be remember for her phrase ”crack is whack , crack is cheap ” she said so in an interview !! hehe —> youtube.com/watch?v=ytJpZguSy2U WHAT A SHAME ! he he eh !!She says she is too rich to buy crack ! lol ! what a great example she is for young people !@ Trish ! Zzzzzz … you r booooring girl ! you try like a cu** to make me and Celine fans argue because I like Madonna ! well bitch , your effort is failing,just like pigriah’s new xmas album !! lol Unison damaged you most of all since you r still unable to talk with facts.@ Everyone…stop talking about weedney and pigriah pleeease !! hehehethey are irrelevant flops this decade…they don’t tour , no one cares about their ”voices”,their albums flop (only ONLY teom sold) , they sell no dvds, many many songs flop although they are released to mainstream radiosss……they are done !Let’s all talk aboOUT Celine ! :D– the highest grossing tour of the decade– the best selling female artist behind brit in Us– the woman who got many distinctions while weedney got REHAB and Mooriah got WEIGHT ! HEHEHEH– the woman behind huuuge album sales this decade ( a new day has come / 1 fille et 4 types / all the way / one heart / d’elles / on ne change pas ) and DVDs ( Celine sur le pleins / on ne change pas / LIVE IN LAS VEGAS / Taking Chances world tour / celine:through the eyes on the world )– Love,Whitney (2001) FLOP– One Wish (2003) FLOP– Ultimate Collection (2007) FLOP (Only successful In UK & Aust.)– Just Whintey (2002) FLOP OF THE FLOPS hehehe– I Look To You (2009) FLOP & IRRELEVANT COMEBACK & D I S A S T E R TOUR !! ( 2m despite anticipation of 7 years !! 7 YEARS !! 7 YEARS !! HEHEHEHEHE)– Glitter (2001) FLOP ( & Critically Flop)– Charmbracelet (2002) FLOP ( & Critically Flop)– Greatest Hits (2001) MODERATE– Remixies (2003) FLOP– TEOM (2005) SUCCESS (Best selling album by a female artist in 2005 , best selling album by an artist in Us)– E=MC2 (2008) FLOP (26TH bEST SELLING OF 2008 hehehehe, despite anticipation of 3 years loll)– MEMOIRS OF AN IMPERFECT COW (2009) FLOP OF THE FLOPS– MERRY XMAS 2 YOU (2010) FLOP (Her label won’t promote it and it won’t even be given a worldwide release in markets,because they don’t believe in wooriah but in riri’s new album that already has 3 top 3 singles – so first week of sales 45.000 in us and second week 30.000 while dropping to number 12 OUCH !! )– BALLADS (2008) FLOP– PLAYLIST FLOP– A NEW DAY HAS COME SUCCESS ( Top 5 Best Selling Of 2002)– ONE HEART SUCCESS (Top 10 Best Selling Of 2003)– 1 FILLE ET 4 TYPES SUCCESS ( Top 5 Best Selling French Worldwide of 2003)– A NEW DAY…LIVE IN LAS VEGAS FLOP– MIRACLE MODERATE (One of the best selling baby albums ever)– ON NE CHANGE PAS SUCCESS (Best selling French compilation of 2005 WORLDWIDE)– D’ELLES SUCCESS (Best selling french album by a female artist in 2007)– TAKING CHANCES SUCCESS (Multiplatinum or platinum or gold everywhere)– MY LOVE SUCCESS& sales from DVDs & sales from tours & awards & distinctions & named the highest earning artist of the decade !( got it lantoya ? of DA Decade ….BITCH !! ) Manbide says: November 24, 2010 at 9:30 amMariah sold more albums than Celine.Celine is a rooster while Mariah is the Songbird Supreme.Celine doesn’t have voice at all,but a nose.You’re a bitch Mooriah scarey fans.Whatever you say,Mariah stay the winner.END OF STORY ! Manbide says: November 24, 2010 at 9:54 am@ mooriah fans.Go and get a life,fu**ing idiot.Celine and Madonna are extremely rich while you lose your time here to insult other debaturs.Mariah is the number one. Latonya says: November 24, 2010 at 3:54 pm@ FoR mOOriAH FanS/Unison/My Love/Lucky Luke/CelineDionFan7/EmilLMDAO!!!!! I see you sure could nat refute any of my argumentz AGAIN lilttle CHILD. FYI: its spot easy 2 identify dat your postin from all dese names because all posts are in da same, INARTICULATE, broken, terrible English language.I see you couldn live wit da FACTS:MRS WHITNEY is OFFICIALLY named by Guinness CNN, Billboard and World Charts THE HIGHESTT SELLING FEMALE ARTIST. ~OWNED!MRS WHITNEY is a BEAUTIFULLY STRIKING model. Tall, slim, and wit a BEAUTIFUL face smile and hair. She don’t got NO ugly chin, fat nose, old skin, flat tatas like FUGLINE Lipsynchion, NO fake tatas, big cheeks, or fat ass like PIGriah Cowrey, NO manly short body like dat ugly alien WHOREdonna. ~OWNED!MRS WHITNEY is a CARING mama. Mrs Krissy Brown is a classy, lovely young lady who loves and adores her motha Whitney. Unlike FUGline Lipsunchion’s boy-daughter, and her 2 twinz dat are thrown away to nannies. Unlike FATriahs kidz dat gonna be thrown away to nannies. Unlike WHOREdonnas who buyz kidz from Africa. ~OWNED!MRS WHITNEY is a TOP class actress. Fatriah got terrible reviws for Glytter, Whoredonna is DA QUEEN of Razzies and ALL, I MEAN ALL, of her moviez got poor reviews and her acting is trashed and da ugly lady WON WORST ACTRESS OF DA MILLENIUM! lmdaoooo!!! Here cums da be part: CHINline LIPSYNCion GOT NO MOVIES. ZERO. Because she ain’t a Hollywood star and ONLY ONLY flops. Dat FLOP TERRIBLE FLOP AZZ documentary sealed da deal for any (IF AT ALL!!!! LMDAO!!) movie career. ~OWNED!MRS Whitney is a classy divorced woman. Mrs Whitney was married FOR A LONG time to Bobby Brown and was faithful and a great wife. Finally she decided to divorce but still has a great relationship wit hur ex huszband. CHINline FLOPion married her grandpa so dat she wont have 2 pay for a manager and HE CHEATED on her and wasted her money on GAMBLING! lmdao!!!! Whoriah was married to Tommy Mottola so she kould sell records, then divorced him and now married a man A DECADE younger dan her for sex purposes only! WHAT a classy pIG! WHOREdonna got married 5-6 times and GOT DIVORCED 5-6 times and is now only fUqccing 20 year old boyz. DISGUSTING classless whore. ~OWNED!MRS Whitney has A HUGE discography and YET, here cums da best part fellas, she released 10 albums ONLY. WHORiah released 20, WHOREdonna 30 and CHINline LIPSYNCion 60 albumz! LMDAO!!! WHAT A HUGE AZZ ACCOMPLISHEMNT of Mrs Whitney to be able to outsell all 3 bitches wit 10 albums ONLY. ~OWNED!MRS WHITNEY has still THE VOICE. Every person walking in da streets will reply to you “WHITNEY HOUSTON” once you ask him or her “WHO IS DA VOICE? DA BIGGEST VOICE IN MUSIC HISTORY?”. FUGLine Lipsyncions voice is GONE all mighty GONE becos she kan ONLY lipsync. She once sang live in a performanze from 2007 and people called tour offices to COMPLAIN coz she sounded like HORSE (sumtin she resembles A WHOLE LOTTA LOT LMDAO!!!) shyt. She ONLY AND ALWAYS lipsyncs. FAKE, NON singer. FATriah is a total lost case. Dat voice she got was last heard on her flop ass Emancipation of MOO MOO cd. We BURP togeder was da last song she sang, since den she only screamz and schreeches! FAT GONE bitch. WHOREDONNA: no commentzz hurr. Dis ugly OLD bitch is outsang easily by non talented sluts like Miley Cyrus. Go figure!! LMDAO! ~OWNED!THIS IS IT. CAN YOU REFUTE ANY OF THIS? no! CAN YOU? no! I ASKED CAN YOU? no!Does da public ADMIT what I said as FACTZ? YES! YES! YES!~OWNED! ~OWNED! ~OWNED!done and burried. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! FoR mOOriAH /sH**ney FanS says: November 24, 2010 at 8:29 pm@ Lantoya Uhmmm….you wish ! he he !you ghetto rat talk about broken English ? lolanyway…Take a look at this-> youtube.com/watch?v=c2ePIHhUUtMGreat voice huh ? he he eh eeheheWeedney sold like 130m albums ! she far behing mooriah , Celine and Madonna in album sales.she was laaazy to release albums ! he ehe he !Her Bodygurad sh** indeed sold more than any other album of moriah’s , celine’s , Madonna ‘s but that doesn’t make her the best selling artist because her total album sales are lower !Falling Into You and Let’s Talk About Love outsell every other of sh**ney’s album.Her Voice is gone from crack.Madonna is the ONLY Female artist that can boast about being in the Guinness Book !! Got That ?2010 For Total Sales of 300m !!! Hurts right ? Ouch !!!World charts forgot Whintey exists ! nobody gives a sh**…that’s why fans argue between Celine / Pigriah and Madonna ! Whitney is relevant to a few people like you !! he heeh ehe ! She never becomes part of ”best selling debates” unless trash like you jump into fights,like you did here !!How many of mind arguments have you took down ? 0 !!!Or Unison’s ? ooooooooo….i forgot ! I am the same person !! loool !!!!anyway…I don’t know why I write posts for retarded people…If I had you in front of me,you couldn’t even make a full sentence to support trash like weedn DRUG ey ! she is even worse than Mooriah ! at least mooriah writes her own crap and she never took drugs !!!Whitney being fashion model / actress / caring mama (yet Drug Queen) … all these are irrelevant to the topic ”best selling female artist” !!and don’t mention MJ Bl. ok you like her ! we got it! but she sells only (only) in Us , so she is out of the topic !!Finally answer to this IF YOU CANAccording to RIAA Whintye is ranked as the 4th best selling artist in Us with sales of 55m !Celine is behind her with total sales of 50m !In Europe…Celine is the number 1 selling artist (overall) for the last two decades with sales of 55m at least.Whitney is where in Europe ? ? ? Lol !Celine also sold 4m albums in Australia alone ? Whintey ? he he ehehePigriah is number 1 seller in Asia , then Madonna and Then Celine !! Whitney ?The facts speak !!! as long as I don’t get an ellaborated answer I am done with you ! Pig :)@ Mandide … you said ”songbird supreme’…hmmm…oh yeah TRISH used that expression before ! and you actually insult me just like she did ! coincidence ? he heheehee…. Latonya says: November 25, 2010 at 2:18 pm@ FoR mOOriAH FanS/Unison/My Love/Lucky Luke/CelineDionFan7/EmilIm shocked cauze you totallz refuted my points.NOT!!!!! LMDAO!!!!Save the EMBRASSEMENT and run along. You can’t PROVE shyt! FUGline LOST hur voice, LOST her star power, LOST hur beauty (as if there was ever beauty to start wit LMDAO!!!), LOST her marriage, LOST her class (not dat she had class to start wit either LMDAO!!!)You simply and outright FAILED.Stop posting here causze you only EMBARRASS yoself:-AWFUL, BROKEN English -UGLY attitude -LACK OF argumentz. ANd it shows on you evergoing “hehehehes”. Drop it. It screams how WORRIED and LOST FOR ARGUMENTZ you are. -DESPERATION (I Mean who da fuqk posts from 6 differant namez?!! LMDAO!!!!!).THE PUBLIC agrees with ME dat FUGline lost her voice. NOT WIT YOU. THE PUBLIC agrees with ME dat FUGline lost her looks. NOT WIT YOU. THE PUBLIC agrees with ME dat FUGline lost her marriage. NOT WIT YOU. THE PUBLIC agrees with ME dat FUGline kant get hits. NOT WIT YOU. THE PUBLIC agrees with ME dat FUGline is a TRASH mother. NOT WIT YOU. THE PUBLIC agrees with ME dat WHITNEY ELIZABETH HOUSTON is THE HIGHEST SELLING FEMALE ARTIST EVER.MRS WHITNEY ELIZABETH HOUSTON rises above all. Stop posting FAKE videos with ALTERED, FABRICATED audio from haterz dat want to make her sound bad. You LOOK DESPERATE.FUGLYCHINline LIPSYNCHion KANT EVEN get a hit song dese days! GONE are da days when she, FATriah and WHOREdonna used to buy airplay for deir FLOP AZZ songz. LMDAO! Mrs Whitneys are ALL genuine, natural and TIMELESS. Everyone can name and recognize dem. MRS WHITNEYS LAST HUGE HIT WAS MILLION DOLLAR BILL last year! Made #2 on UK CHARTZ! SUCK ON DAT DIRTY AZZ FUGLine fan! LMDAO!!!!This is MRS Whitney Houston’s latest appearance:i.usatoday.net/communitymanager/_photos/lifeline-live/2010/10/01/whitneyhoustonx-large.jpgCLASSY, STRIKING, BEAUTIFUL.This is MOOriahs:mariahconnection.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/dailymailmariahcarey.jpgLook at dat FAT, DESPERATE AZZ and unhealthy ugly ass hair! lmdao!!!This is WHOREDONNA:gossipcop.com/wp-content/uploads/madonna7-281×400.jpgOMG!!! I pissed my pantz!! She SO ugly and artificial looking. Is dat even HUMAN or a deformed GOBLIN? LMDAO!!and THE WORST OF ALL dis is FUGLine:i53.tinypic.com/15po708.jpgOMG!! what is dat I see? An old ass looking man, a little boy holding a dog and ANOTHER man with an ugly chin, a fat nose and no mouth being pregnant? What da fuqk?!!!! I didn’t know science had moved forwardz SO FAST!!!!!LMDAO!!!!! OWNED. FoR mOOriAH /sH**ney FanS says: November 25, 2010 at 7:41 pmOwned ? Hehehe ! U Wish ! Not even Momo’s fans managed to shut me up,despite the FACT that Momo OUTSELS Weedney In every corner of the world ! Heheh Both Albums and Singles.Nothing About sales.Stick to the topic, will you ?Just the opinion of a woman that CAN’T write in English (cauze / totalz / hur / haterz /azz / pantz / yoself )(Whitney album sales -> 130m since 1985 / Celine album sales -> 200m since 1990 OUCH )Celine lost her voice ! You are right…this is why 6 million people PAID to see her live the last 6 years. 6 million ? got that ? :DCeline is a bad mother ! Nice way to piss me off but I’m gonna show your post to my friends and laugh !! :PHow many tickets Whitney sold ? Celine sold 3m in her show and 3m in Taking Chances tour,proving she is relevant.Answer to this please or run along ! heheheP.S. I Know you are the definition of trash , I don’t know how to make you realize it !!Show you that you have no facts ? show you that you can’t speak proper English ? show you that you support the the most pathetic drug excuse for an artist ? show you that you just wasting time here ? in a debate that’s OVER since Unison’s and other fans answers. ( my alter egos Heheheee) FoR mOOriAH /sH**ney FanS says: November 26, 2010 at 7:23 amTRISH Please come back…I am bored talking with Lantonyaa….zzzzz..I am not a native speaker but I’m gonna forget the English I know reading her posts ! hehe..At least you know how to write………. Missing you TRISH <3 :P Mrs Carey & Houston rules ! Celine & Madonna suck ! says: November 26, 2010 at 9:40 amMariah and Whitney are the undeniable winner…LMAO !!!.Nobody can’t sing like them…LOL!They sold much more albums and singles than Celine worldwide.Celine sucks…LMAO ! Madonna…blowjob…Lol! Mariah & Whitney rules !!! FoR mOOriAH /sH**ney FanS says: November 26, 2010 at 12:35 pmUndeniable ! if you say so… lol ! Latonya says: November 26, 2010 at 5:05 pm@ FoR mOOriAH FanS/Unison/My Love/Lucky Luke/CelineDionFan7/EmilLMDAOOOOO!!!!! U don’t provve ish boo! NO argyumentz no prooph! And please stop dictating how I’m gunna speak when chu kant speak English properly eider! Here in New Jersey dats how we speak! DEAl wit it just like you deal wit FUGline continyous lip synching! LMDAO!!!!!!!Mrs Whitney = HIGHEST SELLING FEMALE ARTIST OF ALL TIME.CNN Billboard GUINESSHurr!!!! You have PROOPH! Suck it! Howeva you failed to bring me prooph! seems to me dat you realized I am CORRECT and Mrs Whitney Elizabeth Houston is INDEED da highest selling female artist.LMDAO @ how you failed to hit back at my, VALID, argumentz dat FUGLine is UGLY, lost dat voice, got cheated on, is a louzy ass mother, and has NO hitz. LMDAO!!Sumtin else I’d like to add:MRS Whitney no matter how TALENTED and RESPECTED she is she stays GROUNDED. She is humble, sweet and polite. UNLIKE FUGline whos just full of hursalf, rude and aroggant! She dared to disrespect Mrs Whitney by singing (AKA butchering) her EPIC SIGNATURRE SONG “I Will Always Luv U”. She also spoke ill of Mrs Whitney and insulted her. Disgasting ugly chick! FATriah dared to mistreat Mrs Whitney by attempting to outsing her on Oprah! How could she! Disgasting PIG! She also copied THE VOICE MRS Whitney when she first started out. Eww. WHOREdonna luckily never spoke ill of MRS Whitney because she FEARS MRS Whitneys grandeor and glamour. At least dat UGLY alien acted wisely in dat matter. HA!SUCK DAT! FoR mOOriAH /sh**ney FanS says: November 27, 2010 at 3:02 amprovve = Proveargyumentz = argumentsprooph =proofgunna = gonnachu = youkant = can’teider = eitherdats = that’swit = withcontinyous = continuousSumtin = somethingepic signature song = epic signature COVER ! he he hedat = thatThanx for the free entertainment ! :-Dyoutube.com/watch?v=K6jpNulOn2k Mariah is better ! says: November 27, 2010 at 9:56 amMariah Carey is an legend…LMAO ! All others just follow her…Lol! Madonna,Celine and others are good,but they are ranked behind Mariah…LMAO ! Lamb 4ever ! says: November 27, 2010 at 10:42 amMariah is the best in everything.Voice,sales,talent,achievements,beauty,etc…Celine ? No talent,no beauty,a nasal voice…Lol! Madonna? No talent,no voice…Lol! Mariah wins anyway ! Celine is better ! says: November 27, 2010 at 1:54 pmCeline Dion is an legend…LMAO ! All others just follow her…Lol! Mariah and others are good,but they are ranked behind Celine…LMAO ! Celiniac 4ever says: November 28, 2010 at 12:10 amCeline is the best in everything.Voice,sales,talent,achievements,beauty,etc…Mariah ? No talent,no beauty,a breathy weak voice…Lol! Whitney and Madonna ? No talent,no voice…Lol! Celine wins anyway ! FoR mOOriAH /sH**ney FanS says: November 28, 2010 at 4:06 amHi Everyone ! :-D-> SUCCESS BATTLE BETWEEN SH**RIAH SCAREY / MADONNA01.Glitter -> 2m FLOPMusic -> 15m / Number 1 In 23 Countries / Lead Single Number 1 In 25 Countries02.Charmbracelet -> 3m FLOP / Number 1 NOWHEREAmerican Life -> 5m / Number 1 In 12 Countries / 7 Number 1 Dance Hits03.The Emancipation Of Mimi -> 10m since 2005 / Number 1 In UsConfessions On A Dance Floor -> 12m since 2005 / Number 1 In 23 Countries (Ouch)04.We Belong Together -> Number 1 In 2 CountriesHung Up -> Number 1 In 45 Countries (World Record)05.E=MC 2 -> Number 1 In Us / 3m copies since 2008Hard Candy -> Number 1 In 37 Countries / 4m copies since 200806.Angels Advocate Tour Grossed 800.000 dollars -> FlopSticky And Sweet Tour -> 408.000.000 dollars -> Highest Grossing Tour In Music History07.Touch My Body / Obsessed -> Usa Hits Only4 Minutes -> Number 1 In 21 Countries !08.Memoirs Of An Imperfect Angel -> Almost 1m copiesCelebration (Compilation Album) -> Over 2m copies09.As Of 2010Pigriah’s Xmas Sh** Album was only released In AmericaBecause SHE IS NOT POPULAR ANYWHERE ELSE ! Her TrashAlbum Only Sold 50.000 In Opening Week ! 35.000 In TheSecond Week -> Another FLOP For Her !( E=MC2 / BALLADS / MEMOIRS / PLAYLIST / XMAS ALBUM )Currently Charts At Number 12 In Us ! Ouch !On The Other Hand Madonna Was Featured In GUINNESS BOOKOF WORLD RECORDS For Her Sales -> 200m albums & 100msingles ! Latonya says: November 29, 2010 at 4:32 pm@ FoR mOOriAH FanS/Unison/My Love/Lucky Luke/CelineDionFan7/Emilstop talking about FATriah or WHOREdonna no one cares bout dize bitchezz.Instead TRY and refute or shut up my arguzmentz! o wait CHU KANT!!!! lmdaoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!You FAILED.CNN, Guinness Billboard = PROOPH! your fail argumentz, horrible English = crap!Hurr I’m waitingz. You KANT prove ish! Whilst I can. I gave chu sources GUINESS, BILLBOARD, CNN. Mrs Houston da biggest selling female artist on planet earth.*FUGline LIPSYNCHion: gruppiz.com/img/news/__BIG/5915_path.jpgiz dat a guy? O yeah! Its a ugly ass gangzta. LMDAO!!!*FATriah COWrey entertainment.msn.co.nz/img/blog/feb10/blog250210_mariah-carey.jpgwho dat? All I kan see is a cow trapped in a Halloween cosztume. LMDAO!!!*WHOREdonna blogs.timeslive.co.za/minor/files/2009/08/madonna-scary.jpghttp:/blogs.thetimes.co.za/minor/files/2009/08/madonna-scary.jpgBRRRRRR!!! No commantz needed hurr!*Mary J. Blige media.onsugar.com/files/ed3/192/1922564/47_2009/25c6d7ced269463d_Mary-J-Blige.preview.jpgA doll! Striking.*MRS Whitney Elizabeth Houston THE VOICE: accesshollywood.com/content/images/85/400x400bd/85429_whitney-houston-backstage-at-the-2009-grammy-awards.jpga elegant, classy, radiant LADY.*HIT songz*WHOREdonna: 4 Minuts (to save my pussy) FATriah: we belong togeder (and fart apart) LIPSYNCHine: I’m alived (despite LIPSYNCHING)Mary J. Blige: Family Affair MRS WHITNEY: I WILL ALWAYS LOVE YOU.ouch!!!!! Suck dat!!! LMDAO!!!!!! FoR mOOriAH /sH**ney FanS says: November 29, 2010 at 5:06 pmHi Everyone ! (Lantoya you’ll get my answer in the forum naming Whitney the best selling arist…till one is invented…suck da !) SUCCESS BATTLE BETWEEN CELINE AND MOORIAH01.Their Best SellersThe Emancipation of Mimi -> Number 1 ONLY In Us / 10m CopiesA New Day Has Come -> Number 1 In 25 countries (Us Included) / 15m Copies02.Followed ByCharmbracelet -> Number 1 Us Rnb Albums Chart / 3m Copies -> FLOPOne Heart -> Number 1 In 9 Countries / 7m Copies / 10th Best Selling Album Of 200303.Recent ReleasesE=MC2 -> Number 1 In Us / 2.5m Copies -> FLOPTaking Chances -> Number 1 In 6 Countries (Included Europe Charts /Europe=Us) / 4m Copies04.Recent CompilationsBallads -> 400k / Number 1 NOWHERE / Top 10 In 3 Countries -> FLOPMy Love -> 2m / Number 1 In 4 Countries / Top 10 In 19 Countries (Ouch)05.Their Lowest Selling AlbumsMemoirs Of An Imperfect -> Number 1 In Us Rnb Album Chart / Top 10 In 5 Countries / 1m -> FLOPMiracle (Baby Theme Album With Recycled Songs) -> Number 1 In 3 Countries / Top 10 In 8 Countries / 3m06.All The Way Vs Rainbow (Since They Both Sold More Of Their Copies In The 00’s,Because were released In November 1999)Rainbow (Studio Album) -> Number 1 In ONLY 2 Countries / Top 10 In 14 CountriesAll The Way (Compilation) -> Number 1 In 20 Countries (Included Us & UK & Germany & Canada & Australia & Japan & Europe) / Top 3 In The Rest Of The World / 24m07.Their Big Selling CompilationsNumber 1’s -> Number 1 ONLY In Japan / 17m Copies (The Most)All The Way -> Number 1 In 20 Countries (Included Japan & Us & UK & Europe & Canada & Australia & Germany & France) 24m08.Their Xmas AlbumsMerry Christmas -> Number 1 In Japan and Holiday Albums In Us / Top 10 In 9 CountriesThese Are Special Times -> Number In 4 Countries and Holiday Albums In Us / Top 10 In 13 Countries09.Falling Into You Vs Music Box (Best Sellers)Music Box -> Number 1 In 9 Countries (10P In Us / 7P In Europe / Million In Japan / 7P In Canada / 11P In Australia) -> 19m Certified Sales In These MarketsFalling Into You -> Number 1 In 15 Countries (11P In Us / 9P Europe / Million In Japan / Diamond In Canada / 12P In Australia) -> 23m Certified Sales In These Markets10.Let’s Talk About Love Vs Daydream (Second Best Sellers)Daydream -> Number 1 In 8 Countries (10P In Us / 3P In Europe / Million In Japan / 3P In Canada / 5P In Australia) -> 15m Certified Sales At These MarketsLet’s Talk About Love -> Number 1 At Least 25 Countries (10P In Us / 10P In Europe / Million In Japan / Diamond In Canada / 6P In Australia) -> 22m Certified Sales At These Markets11.DvdsNothing To Be Mentioned About WhoriahA New Day Live In Las Vegas -> 3m Copies (Best Selling By Any Female Artist)Dvds In 2010 -> 1m Copies12.2001/2002 Label FactsMariah’s Label Paid Her Money To LEAVE,Because of the worst disaster ever ! -> Bomb Album & Movie & Both Panned by critics and public alike.Celine’s Label (SONY – THE BIGGEST LABEL OF THE WORLD) Announced during her break that Celine was BY FAR the most important member of the team.Even more than M.Jackson.& In 2002 while Mooriah was flopping again Celine signed the BIGGEST CONTRACT EVER IN MUSIC HISTORY FOR A LIVE ENTERTAINMENT SHOW !13.As Of 2010 ?Mooriah Keeps Flopping And FloppingCeline Holds Diamond / Legend Award / Legion D’Honeur / Title ”Artist Of The New Millenium” / Highest Solo Touring Act / Highest Earning Musician Of The Decade !Mooria’s Label Doesn’t Promoted Her Crap Anymore – not even a worldwide release.Celine’s Vegas Show is already SOLD OUT Haters ! Trish says: November 30, 2010 at 9:11 am@ Mooriah scarey fans/ Lucky Luke/Unison/Chris/etc…All these nicknames are the same person.You just try to get a different writing style but any smart person can notice it. You’re so pathetic ! Mariah’s TEOM sold much more than Ugline A new trash Has Come ! Music Box sold more than Failling Into My Nose,Merry Christmas sold much more than Celine’s These are special trashes, Daydream sold as much as Let’s Talk About Nasal Voice.You just lie,dirty & deep a-hole ! You still spread your crap here,vomit ? Your mouth is stinking,your lies stinks in here! Ugline Dion can’t sing well.She have bad breath and sings with her nose.Chin Dion is so ugly,so old-fashioned.Her voice sound old,bland,sour,dry,clumsy,nasal,rusted,stiff,inflexible,soulless and graceless.All her voice got over any other average singers is only volume, nothing else. She’s just a rooster ! Sh**line Dion is an ugly discreet bitch.She slept with Rene Angelil at the age of 13 to getting promoted by him.That’s why Rene stopped suddenly to manage all others singers to promote only this illiterate ugly bitch.Rene just fu**ed Chin Dion for pity’s sake as Celine would never got any boy or man as lover.Thanks to Rene ,Chin knows what old and spoil love is . That’s why Rene divorced to his wife.It’s because your young ugly reserved bitch fu**ed with him. In facts,whom normal guy would date this ugly granny ? Your wrinkled idol is nothing next to Mariah. Whoredonna : She’s the queen of bitches and whores.Whoredonna is a prostitute,she slept with everybody in show-business for getting success.More than 500 men passed over Madonna,that’s why she reach this level of success although she can’t sing.She’s a slut ! Her ass is damaged by men.Her pussy stinks and rots.Madonna is the one who introduced AIDS in the world.All her achievements are trashes,immorality,obscenity,vulgarity,extravagance,eccentricity,shamelessness,etc…Although she’s a middle-aged woman,she continue to get fu**ed by severall men and boys.She make me feel sick,this slut ! Now Mariah Carey :She is the true diva,the ultimate vocalist and the best singer ever . Her voice : The best voice ever ! Smoothness,beauty,grace,versatility,elegance,femininity,sweetness,tenderness,power,flexibility,agility,elasticity,virtuosity.Mariah is the queen of soulfulness,the supreme mistress of melismas .Her new Christmas album prove that her voice beat any female voice and still the best by far.Any other female artist can’t sing her songs ! Mariah is beautiful,sexy,graceful,intelligent,respectable,generous,popular and talentuous.She sold more records than any female artist on earth.She’s also the most talentuous female singer,the most influential female artist ever,the greatest female artist of all times.combine all assets much better than Ugline Dion and Whoredonna.She have by far the most beautiful and skilful voice ever ! Haters,go and fu** your ugly,wrinkled and talentless idols ugline Dion and slutdonna.But you must respect the ultimate singer ,the greatest female artist of all times: Mariah Carey THE BEST SELLING FEMALE ARTIST OF ALL TIMES ! About the new Christmas album,no matter if it sold bad as Mariah already made her proof with her first Christmas album which is the best selling Christmas album of all times by female artist;including her all time classic Hit All I Want For Christmas Is You which is the most popular Christmas Single ever and the best selling one.With her new Christmas album,Mariah show to haters like you that she stay at 40 the ultimate vocalist .Chin Dion is successful live because she’s not nervous on stage unlike Mariah Carey ,not because her voice is better ! She’s far from it ! If Celine got a beautiful voice why she can’t show it in any of her songs ? Celine isn’t an artist.She just recycle past hits and songs from other artists.Besides,she just perform.Her music lacks personality.Celine is a clown,a very moron artist.Mariah is the queen of music,Ugline Dion is the queen of fake and falsified figure sales ,Madonna is the queen of prostitution.That’s the way it is ,we can’t change that ! FoR mOOriAH /sH**ney FanS says: November 30, 2010 at 9:02 pmHey ! I missed you so much ! hehehe !! But ok…look who’s talking about different nicknames !!Mariah best selling ? ha ha ahI wanna see your expression when you open the Guinness Book of Records naming Madonna as the best selling female artist ever ! (2010 version)Yeah ! Teom sold more than A new day has come because Teom was number 1 in Us and A New day has come number in Us and uhmmm….oh yeah ! 20 countries around the globe ! ehehhehehCeline dion -> Highest earning musician of the 00’s (albums & tours)Momo -> not in any list :( sobsss……….Speak with facts biiitch !Daydream is not even in the top 20 best selling albums ! hehee !!Let’s Talk about love and Falling into you have a place in the top 20 !! FoR mOOriAH /sH**ney FanS says: November 30, 2010 at 9:12 pmLucianno Pavarotti , Andrea Bocelli , Josh Groban , Barbra Streisand , Peobo Bryson , Michael Bolton , Michael Jackson , Garou , Jean-Jacques Goldman , Sir George Martin , Bee Gees , Diane Warren , Lara Fabian , Walter Afanasief (Momo’s collaborator) , Bryan Adams (to mention a few) —> Have great respect for celine’s nasal voice ! their opinion counts more than yours.sorry :-)You couldn’t even make a full comment with facts despite the FACT that you keep trolling with your LIES popdirt debates ! U hate Madonna and Celine ! why ? because they killed momo in sales !! because they tour and sell tickets !! & DVDs ! because they have stayed at number 1 since their debuts (1981 / 1983) while pIGriah FAILS in the second decade of her career being totally irrelevant to mainstream or adult contemporary ! so irrelevant that her label won’t even give worldwide release to her xmas crap ! ouch !! At least Madonna and Celine were never dropped to that level… :DUuuurhhh….god knows how I missed ur angry , biased , false comments ! love you forever <3 :DPS I See you only comment against me and say nothing to Latonya that keeps calling Mariah whoriah etc etc ... TRISH @ Ugline Oldion & Whoredonna fans says: December 1, 2010 at 7:48 am-> SUCCESS BATTLE BETWEEN MARIAH CAREY / OLDONNAGlitter -> 5m /Lead single : best selling single of the year Music -> 10 m / Number 1 In 23 micro Countries 02. Charmbracelet -> 6m American Life -> 2m -> Flop 03. The Emancipation Of Mimi -> 16m since 2005 / World Best selling album of 2005-2006 Confessions On A Dance Floor -> 10m since 2005 / Number 1 In 23 insignificant Countries 04. We Belong Together -> Best selling single of 2005-2006 Hung Up -> Number 1 In 45 insignificant music markets, with low global sales 05. E=MC 2 -> 4m copies since 2008 Hard Candy -> 3m copies since 2008Touch My Body / Obsessed -> Usa Hits ( the world largest music market ) 4 Minutes -> Number 1 In 21 insignificant Countries ! 06. Memoirs Of An Imperfect Angel -> 2 m copies Celebration -> lower than 2m copies 09. As Of 2010 Mariah’s Xmas Album was released In America Album already Sold 55.000 In Opening Week ! 35.000 In The Second Week ! Although SHE ALREADY OWNS THE BEST SELLING CHRISTMAS ALBUM OF ALL TIMES BY A FEMALE ARTIST WITH HER 1994 MERRY CHRISTMAS ALBUM’S ! Besides,Mariah was featured by GUINNESS BOOK OF WORLD RECORDS for her sales since 1996.In the 2000’s,she featured Guinness world Records for her unique voice ! Today,EVERY comprehensive stats say that Mariah Carey is THE BEST SELLING FEMALE RECORDING ARTIST OF ALL TIMES ! Independent and impartial data providers /compilers state so,even haters & fans of other artists say so . TRISH @ Ugline Oldion & Whoredonna fans says: December 1, 2010 at 7:57 amFirst of all,the topic of this forum discuss about whom artist among Ugline Oldion and Mariah Carey is better ( in everything ),not only in sales !So,the title of this forum is not whom is the best selling artist among Ugline Oldion and Mariah Carey ( even though Mariah Carey sold much more records than Wrinkline Oldion ) but whom is better in everything combined. Second : Mariah Carey beats Wrinkline Oldion and Whoredonna in everything. This Camel and this Vulture can’t compete with the ultimate diva ! SUCCESS BATTLE BETWEEN UGLINE AND MARIAH 01.Their Best Sellers Sales in all Europe and Canada combined doesn’t worth even 30 % of sales in USA alone .I even don’t talk about sales in Japan ( the second largest music market of the world ).So the most important is not the amount of countries in which albums were # 1 ,neither the amount of various platinum certifications combined, cause platinum certification in 25 European countries + platinum certification in Canada and other countries combined may worth just one platinum certification in USA ! You see the GREAT difference ??? That’s why all Mariah’s albums sold more than any Sh**line Oldion’s album ! The Emancipation of Mimi -> 16m Copies worldwide,including 7m in USA alone. Plus 2 Number 1 Billboard Hot 100 Hits + Number 1 Selling album of 2005-2006 A New Day Has Come -> Number 1 In 25 insignificant countries/micro states > 9 m Copies worldwide,including 2 m in USA alone. Zero Number 1 Billboard Hot 100 Hit + 19th Best Selling Album Of 2002 ???? 02.Followed By Charmbracelet -> / 7m Copies worldwide One Heart -> Number 1 In 9 small/insignificant Countries / 2.5m Copies worldwide > FLOP 03.Recent Releases E=MC2 -> Number 1 In Us / 4.5m Copies worldwide Taking Chances -> Number 1 In 6 micro/insignificant Countries (Included Monaco Chart /Quebec) / 1.5 m Copies worldwide> FLOP 04.Recent Compilations Ballads -> 3m worldwide My Love -> 0.1m / Number 1 In 4 micro Countries / Top 10 In 19 micro musical markets (Ouch) >FLOP 05.Their Lowest Selling Albums Memoirs Of An Imperfect -> 3m worldwide Miracle (Baby Theme Album With Recycled Songs) -> Number 1 In 3 micro markets / Top 10 In 8 micro Countries / 1m worldwide > FLOP 06.All The Way Vs Rainbow (Since They Both Sold More Of Their Copies In The 00’s,Because were released In November 1999) Rainbow (Studio Album) -> Number 1 In 2 large MARKETS / Top 10 In 14 significant Countries 15 m Worldwide All The Way (Compilation) -> Number 1 In 20 small Countries (Included Monaco & Luxembourg & Greece & Quebec & Lettonia &Switzerland &Liechtenstein & Malte ) / 16 m worldwide 07.Their Big Selling Compilations Number 1’s -> / 21m Copies Worldwide, Included 4 m in Japan alone. 08.Their Xmas Albums Merry Christmas -> 18 m worldwide (The all times Best Selling Christmas Album By A Female Artist) These Are Special Times -> 9 m worldwide (Number In 4 insignificant Countries and Holiday Albums In Us / Top 10 In 13 micro Countries).Any popular Christmas song,any Christmas hit ! 09.Falling Into You Vs Music Box (Best Sellers) Music Box -> Number 1 In 18 Countries (10P In Us / 7P In Europe / 3 Million In Japan / 9P In Canada / 14P In Australia) -> 24m Certified Sales In These Markets Falling Into You -> Number 1 In 15 Countries (10P In Us / 8 P Europe / 400.000 In Japan / million In Canada / 9P In Australia) -> 19m Certified Sales In These Markets 10.Let’s Talk About Love Vs Daydream (Second Best Sellers) Daydream -> Number 1 In at least 13 large/significant Countries (11P In Us / 5P In Europe / 2.5 million In Japan / 6P In Canada / 8P In Australia) -> 20m Certified Sales At These Markets Let’s Talk About Love -> Number 1 in 20 Countries the most (10P In Us / 10P In Europe / 800.000 In Japan / 1m In Canada / 6P In Australia) -> 18m Certified Sales At These Markets TRISH @ Ugline Oldion says: December 1, 2010 at 8:01 amMariah Carey got many others records that Ugline Oldion had’nt.Read it: Mariah Carey PROFESSIONAL SKILLS : Singer,Songwriter,Fashion Model,Actress ,Record-producer,Composer,Entrepreneur. MUSICAL GENRES : Pop,R&B ,Dance,Rap,Raggae,Disco,Ballads,Gospel, Jazz, Soul,Techno, Country,Blues,Rock,HouseComparatively,Sh**line Oldion is illiterate and isn’t able to even read and write ( she tours since the age of 12 and dropped out school too early )!Mariah leave Columbia voluntary at the end of 1990 decade,cause she’s an artist,not just a lucrative robot manufactured by Mottola , songwriters and producers to bring back money.Mariah was the number 1 artist of Columbia/Sony ,Ugline Oldion was always ranked behind her .Moreover,Celine was accepted in Sony Label thanks to Mariah’s manager and then-husband Tommy Mottola.Mariah divorced to Mottola for being free to sing every musical genre that she feel inspired to,like Hip Hop,R&B etc…cause she’s a true artist ! Mariah is an artist,not just a vulgar recycled-songs performer like Sh**line Oldion.Mariah had sing not to pleasure her Label nor her manager,neither just for collecting money .She sang to share her feelings and her artistic genius with people,through her incredible vocal and musical talent .Wrinkline Oldion sing just for money . 50 % of her songs are recycled songs from other’s artists .The 50 % remainder is created exclusively by producers and composers . Wrinkline Oldion do nothing at all in her own music ! All that she do is belting ugly and graceless belts,just like a rooster ! Sh**line choose to stay a robot,a lucrative object unlike Mariah.Besides, Ugline wouldn’t disobey her label and leave it voluntarily as she’s illiterate and can’t even take part in anything about her own music.Without songwriters and producers ,Ugline would work as domestic ( she’s too ugly to being a lucrative whore ). Cameline’s Label Announced during her break that Cameline was BY FAR the most important member of the team since Mariah Carey leave this label.Besides,it’s normal that Sh**line is more important than M Jackson…. after his death hahaha! She’s so nil that people compare her with a corpse ! Ha ha ha ! When both were in the same label, Mariah Carey was BY FAR the most important member of the team.So can we compare this illiterate,graceless and ugly rooster with a skillfull and talentuous genius songstress as such Mariah Carey ? Obviously no. Mariah Carey is the Queen of Music OVERALL and THE GREATEST FEMALE ARTIST OF ALL TIMES ! Mimi is followed by Whitney,Aretha,Patti,Barbra,Billie,Tina,Judy,Toni,Donna,Mary.J,Leona,Beyonce,Christina,Jessica,Kelly,Susan,Miley,Gaga, …All other female artists…then Whoredonna…. then Ugline Oldion at last… TRUE FACT ! When God gave Talent,Voice,Musical creativity skills,Mariah Carey was the FIRST in line ! … Latonya says: December 1, 2010 at 2:19 pm@ FoR mOOriAH FanS/Unison/My Love/Lucky Luke/CelineDionFan7/Emilchu hav been easily MEGAowned! Pick dat face up hun! I just took a massive dump on yor face! Its SO ugly now it rivals FUGLYCHINline LIPSYNCHIOn’s. LMDAO!!!!!!!Case in point: you FELL BACK and refused to prove me wrong. Why? Becayse you KANT! LMDAO!!!!!@ TrishShut da fuqk up chu DUMB bitch! FATriah is NOWHERE near da biggest selling female ARTIST EVAR: MRS ELizabeth Whitney Houston. You been saying bulshyyt.MRS WHITNEY’S latest SMASH album:I LOOK TO YOU sold 12 millionz.which EASILY outsells MERRY XMAS 2 U, Memoirs of a CONSTIPATED angel, E=MC combined.MRS WHITNEYS voice PREVAILS EASILY ova FUGLINEs, FATriahs (and of coarse) WHOREdonnas easily.Case in point: MRS WHITNEYS tear jerking, stupendous I DIDNT KNOW MY OWN STRENGTH performance at Oprah Winfrey show. MRS Oprah was CRYING!!!!! DO YOU REALIZE HOW MAGNIFICENT MRS WHITNEYS PERFORMANCE WAS? Mrs Oprah was ACTUALLLY crying like hell! THE VOICE delivered.YOU HAV been OWNED TO FUQQ huns. Pick dis faces up. MRS WHITNEYS achievements just shytted on FATriah & FUGlines irrelevant achivements COMBINED.LMDAO!!! FoR mOOriAH /sH**ney FanS says: December 1, 2010 at 3:28 pm@ TRISH !Charmbracelet 6m ? glitter 5m ? while they are only certified platinum in us ? heheheheheheO Come Guys ! you just ruined the page !@ Lantonya : I look to you sold 12 m ? hehehhe !!Ok you are CRAZY ! all of you ! :-D FoR mOOriAH /sH**ney FanS says: December 1, 2010 at 3:31 pmTaking Chances was platinum in Europe (1m) and Us (1m) -> 2m ! But yeah ! it sold 1.5 !! heheheheeThanx ! Both Amazing ! <3 FoR mOOriAH /sH**ney FanS says: December 1, 2010 at 5:52 pmTRISH don’t be upset but it takes 1m copies to get a platinum certification in Us and 1m copies to get a platinum certification in Europe ! so Us = Europe ! I hope you don’t read this fast,just to avoid a heart-attack :SLove you <3 FoR mOOriAH /sH**ney FanS says: December 2, 2010 at 5:01 am@ LatonyaYou just insulted Momo’s number 1 Daydreamer Lamb !My favorite TRISH will take you down…heheheU Ghetto rat have not Idea where you put yourself at !! you got some nerve calling Momo FATriah saying she is behind your crap idol whenEVERYONE KNOWS Momo OUTSOLD Whitney in albums and singles !!TRISH is about to kick ur fu**in ass with 3 or 4 huge screaming posts,I assume :) Trish @ Ugline Oldion& Whoredonna's fans says: December 2, 2010 at 7:51 amWhat ? Whoredonna best selling female artist ( in the Guinness Book of Records) ??? Since when ?? This is not Ugline Dion no more ? Ha ha ha ! really funny ! Your claims are so incoherents ( it’s normal as they are lies )! Yeah! TEOM sold much more than ANDHC because TEOM sold 7 m just in USA ( not mention sales in all other countries ) while ANDHC sold just 2 or 3 m in USA ! ANDHC totalized 3 m sales the most in the 20 countries combined ,in which it was number one ! So,its sales in USA + 20 other countries combined doesn’t even equal TEOM’s sales in USA only ! So ,you see that being number 1 in 10 or 20 countries with weak sales is not significant next to another one whom is number 1 in one or 2 countries with very huge sales that reach close to 3 times the sales in the 20 countries ! Therefore,the most important is the amount of sales combined,not the amount of countries in which the album was number one ,nor the amount of various certifications from various countries !Now, do you understand why all Mariah’s albums sold more than Ugline Oldion’s ?About the fact that I say nothing against Whitney Houston’s fans, it’s none of your business ! Did I asked you why you pandered to Celine’s fans while you’re a Madonna fan ? At last,Whitney’s fans attack Mariah directly without insult me personnally.Anyway,I’ll comment against them only when I’ll feel like doing so,just mind your own business and keeps on suck Ugline’s Oldion and Fu**-Me-donna’s dirty asses . Trish @ Ugline Oldion& Whoredonna's fans says: December 2, 2010 at 7:56 amAll the artists you mentioned express sympathy for Ugline’s ugly,clumsy,graceless and nasal voice only because they collaborated with her in her trashes ! They are obliged to being subjective towards Cameline Oldion and express respect for her graceless rooster’s voice. Mariah Carey got much more artists whom have great and true respect for her unique beautiful and skilful voice,but also for her true talent and artistic genius ( not because they would collaborate with her in her masterpieces ).You couldn’t even make a full comment with objective facts ! U hate Mariah Carey ! why ? because she killed your wrinkled-face and talentless idols Ugline Oldion and Whoredonna in Voice,Talent,Influence,Achievements and Sales !! Because she rules in music by her achievements ,her influence and her innumerable musical contributions !! because she have stayed at number 1 since her debuts (1990) while Oldline and Blow-jobdonna FAILS in the second decade of her career being totally irrelevant artistically ! so irrelevant that they have any contribution to music !! They just collect money,nothing else ( while Mariah is the true Artist,the Female artist of all times ) ! At least Mariah stay the ultimate vocalist and the best Singer ever ! :D-> SUCCESS BATTLE BETWEEN MARIAH CAREY / OLDONNA 01. Glitter -> 5m /Lead single : best selling single of the year Music -> 10 m / Number 1 In 23 micro Countries 02. Charmbracelet -> 6m American Life -> 2m -> Flop 03. The Emancipation Of Mimi -> 16m since 2005 / World Best selling album of 2005-2006 Confessions On A Dance Floor -> 10m since 2005 / Number 1 In 23 insignificant Countries 04. We Belong Together -> Best selling single of 2005-2006 Hung Up -> Number 1 In 45 insignificant music markets, with low global sales 05. E=MC 2 -> 4m copies since 2008 Hard Candy -> 3m copies since 2008Touch My Body / Obsessed -> Usa Hits ( the world largest music market ) 4 Minutes -> Number 1 In 21 insignificant Countries ! 06. Memoirs Of An Imperfect Angel -> 2 m copies Celebration -> lower than 2m copies 09. As Of 2010 Mariah’s Xmas Album was released In America Album already Sold 55.000 In Opening Week ! 35.000 In The Second Week ! Although SHE ALREADY OWNS THE BEST SELLING CHRISTMAS ALBUM OF ALL TIMES BY A FEMALE ARTIST WITH HER 1994 MERRY CHRISTMAS ALBUM’S ! Besides,Mariah was featured by GUINNESS BOOK OF WORLD RECORDS for her sales since 1996.In the 2000’s,she featured Guinness world Records for her unique voice ! Today,EVERY comprehensive stats say that Mariah Carey is THE BEST SELLING FEMALE RECORDING ARTIST OF ALL TIMES ! Independent and impartial data providers /compilers state so,even haters & fans of other artists say so . Trish @ Ugline Oldion& Whoredonna's fans says: December 2, 2010 at 8:17 amWhat ? Whoredonna best selling female artist ( in the Guinness Book of Records) ??? Since when ?? This is not Ugline Dion no more ? Ha ha ha ! really funny ! Your claims are so incoherents ( it’s normal as they are lies )! Yeah! TEOM sold much more than ANDHC because TEOM sold 7 m just in USA ( not mention sales in all other countries ) while ANDHC sold just 2 or 3 m in USA ! ANDHC totalized 3 m sales the most in the 20 countries combined ,in which it was number one ! So,its sales in USA + 20 other countries combined doesn’t even equal TEOM’s sales in USA only ! So ,you see that being number 1 in 10 or 20 countries with weak sales is not significant next to another one whom is number 1 in one or 2 countries with very huge sales that reach close to 3 times the sales in the 20 countries ! Therefore,the most important is the amount of sales combined,not the amount of countries in which the album was number one ,nor the amount of various certifications from various countries !Now, do you understand why all Mariah’s albums sold more than Ugline Oldion’s ? FoR mOOriAH /sH**ney FanS says: December 2, 2010 at 9:00 amSth more I wanna add…u say A New Day Has Come reached number 1 in micro countries !!Ok so US , Canada , Australia , UK , Germany , France are Microcountries ? :D FoR mOOriAH /sh**ney FanS says: December 2, 2010 at 12:51 pmAll you sales are biased and false.end of story. :) FoR mOOriAH /sH**ney FanS says: December 2, 2010 at 12:55 pmGuiness Book Of Records (2010) -> Madonna best selling.Diamond / Legend / Nielsen Soundscan -> Celine best selling.Latonya called you bitch ! LOL I say I love you sweety :)Celine’s Albums are huge worldwide while Momo sells only in Us and Japan.All your weapons are LIES ! You come here to play the game ”let’s inflate Momo’s sales”…This is why her label doesn’t release worldwide her xmas crap !Last time Momo was awarded was in 2003 ! ha ha ha ! and of course in the 90’s !!zzzzzzzzzzzz FoR mOOriAH /sh**tney FanS says: December 2, 2010 at 1:00 pmWe get it ! all the countries Madonna and Celine hit number 1 are insignificant !! hehehehe !!too bad Momo can’t reach number 1 in OR EEVEN TOP 10 in these ”insignificant” markets…Celine’s and Madonna;s albums always reach top 5 in Us & in the ”micro”-countries !This is why Momo’s albums -> Glitter / charmbacelet etc were only ONLY ONLY Certified PLATINUM in Us ! all the others are crap only you post :P FoR mOOriAH /sH**ney FanS says: December 2, 2010 at 1:22 pmTEOM 16 M ? you used to say it sold 13m !! what happened my love ? it sold 3m copies in the last 3 months ? heheheI really don’t know why I talk with you ! you didn’t even knowthat Europe = USA based on certifications.If ur ignorance could only kill u’d be dead !Mariah is not only irrelvant for fans (nobody goes to her tours or demands her) , not only to her label (since they cancelled a remix album after her flops and then in 2010 they don’t trust her with her new crap) but she is also irrelevant to mainstream music since she can’t even sell in Us !!! Touch my body / Obsessed were the only successful singles from her latest albums !! lol !See her Chart Perfomance In Us Singles : (Her STRONG market)I stay in love -> FLOP iN uS !i wANT TO KNOW WHAT LOVE IS -> NUMBER 60 / FLOP (we talk about us so don’t start writing sh** about Brazil to support a dead single in us,like you do with glitter charting well in japan)i’ll be lovin you long time -> Number 57 / FLOPbye bye -> flopHateu -> did not charted in hot 100up out my face -> peak position 100ANGELS CRY -> did not charted in hot 100100 percent -> did not charted in hot 100my love -> # 80 in hot 100yeah she had hits in the past but as you see her songs are released to mainstream radios & video clips (so money are wasted) -> therefore her label stopped puttng money on her sh**.Celine’s last hit was in 2000 in hot 100 but thank god her songs are sent to adult contemporary radios with usually no video clips.Besides, as you say Celine’s strong market is not Us ! it is Mariah’s !!so what does Mariah do in us the last decade ? she flops !Number of singles that FAILED iN uS Despite the great promo :never too far,don’t stop funkinglast night a DJ saved my lifethrough the rainboy I need u,bringing on the heartbreak,say something,fly like a birdi stay in love,bye bye,i will be lovin you long time,hateu,angels cry,up out my face,100percenther albums as were officially certified BY RIAA (And not my mind)Rainbow -> 3 PLATINUMGlitter -> PLATINUMCharmbrcelet -> PLATINUMTEOM -> 6 PLATINUME=MC2 -> PLATINUMMEMOIRS -> GOLDGREATEST HITS -> PLATINUMBALLADS / PLAYLIST / REMIXIES -> NOT CERTIFIED—-> HER TOTAL SALES -> 13m the MOST !Celine In UsAll the way -> 7 PlatinumCollectors series -> GoldA New Day Has Come -> 3 PlatinumOne Heart -> 2 PlatinumMiracle -> PlatinumA New Day.. -> GoldTaking Chances -> PlatinumMy Love -> Not CertifiedAt least 15m albums !PROVED BY Billboard !!Fu** my messages !!go and GOOGLE (Easiest thing) B I L L B O A R D !!And then open the Guinness book of records to see Madonna’s name in there !! lmaoI know it is hard…sorry/// but you have to live with it TRISH..:) Trish says: December 6, 2010 at 9:14 am@ Chris/Lucky luke/Unison/Mooriah Scarey fans/etc…Please,stop posting your delusinal posts here ! A New Day… is a moderate selling album beside TEOM in the countries you mentioned .You know it very well damned liar! TEOM is ranked among the best albums of the 2000 decade,one of the most popular albums in the 2000’s and also one of the most successful ones unlike ANDHC.ANDHC wasn’t even the best selling album of 2002-2003 .Maybe ,the show A New Day… was popular in Las Vegas,but the trash album ANDHC wasn’t as popular as TEOM worldwide.Besides,tell me how many singles Hits this crappy album got in Europe , USA, Australia, Asia,etc…? How it could be as popular as TEOM when it got any hits ? All your sales are biased ,falsified.They come from your nasal imagination,as your brain lies in your nose,in the same way that Wrinkline Oldion’s voice come from her nose.Hahaha! Guiness Worlds Records/Legend Award/Millenium Award/Chopard Diamond Award already named Mariah best selling female artist . Ugline’s Albums sells only in Quebec and Monaco while Mariah’s are huge worldwide! You use only lies and insults as weapons! You come here to play the game “let’s give exaggerated increasing sales to Ugline Oldion and irrelevant achievements to her for try to make her as huge as Mariah”. That’s so pathetic ! First time Ugline won a major award was only since 2004 ( unfortunately, it was irrelevant ) ! Hahaha! Almost any award at all in 90’s .Just so many subjective citations and local so-called awards! Hahaha! The sales Mariah reach in just US and Japan ,blow away all sales Ugline and Whoredonna reach in every continents combined ! That’s why Celine’s and Whoredonna’s Unison/Celine Dion/Miracle/Taking Chances/ American Life/ Hard Can-dick /You Can dance/Erotica/Celebration are all flops cause they are certified in many micro-states in which Platinum certification worth just 10 000 or 20 000 sales .So the sales in all these countries combined surpass rarely 500 000 sales ( a Gold certification in USA ) . TRISH The Whole Europe Platinum certification=US Platinum certification.However,you talked about certifications in 20 European countries or more,not certification for whole Europe ! Furthermore,about ANDHC,1-2 million sales for whole Europe + 3 million for USA = 4-5 million in total.You see that TEOM’s sales in USA alone surpass ANDHC’s in whole Europe and USA combined ! So how it could ever sell as much as TEOM ? You talked about Mariah’s Singles flop? What can you say about Ugline’s ??? Mariah sold more than three times the amount of singles sold by Celine worldwide. Besides,let me remind you that Mariah is the best selling singles female artist ever! Mariah’s sales in US this decade surpass 16 million while Ugline’s doesn’t even reach 15 million.See ? So, Celine stay the nose,the rooster,the talentless and ugly granny,while Mariah stay Mariah,The Ultimate Voice,The Songbird Supreme,The Queen of R&B,The Best Selling Female Artist Of All Times and The Greatest Singer EVER! THE QUEEN OF MUSIC !!! TRISH says: December 6, 2010 at 12:10 pm@ LATONYA. Dear bitch : your posts nauseates me so, that I didn’t want to read them ,but now I finally made a great effort to read your sh**s as you insult ME and Mariah,the greatest female artist of all times and the Queen of music ! You are really fool,otherwise you would never say that Whitney surpass Mariah in anything.How do you dare insult Mariah and call her Fatriah Cowrey? Is this because she’s not a drugged skeleton like Sh**ney ? About voice, Whitney was THE VOICE only before Mariah Carey started her musical career.Mariah is the ultimate voice since her debut in 1990 till today ! It’s just hilarious and ridicule for you to say that Whitney is still today the Voice,while everyone worldwide talk about Mariah’s voice as the number one voice ever ! About sales,Mariah surpassed your drugged idol since long ago, Whitney can’t compete with Mariah on success. You’d better see a doctor cause you’re a mentally deficient ,just try to see life out of your miserable drug world. Why do you talk about Mary J Blige here ? This is not a forum about local/ephemeral sensations,but a forum about all-times musical legends and world musical icons. Mary J Blige is even not an international artist.She’s just a local star and is popular only in USA. How can you compare her with musical giant like Mariah ? Mariah is in the league of greatest icons as such Beatles,M Jackson and Elvis Presley.Since when you had read an info about these singers ? Whitney ruined her voice since long ago.Her musical career is over.Now she’s not more than a pityfull drugged skeleton. TRISH says: December 6, 2010 at 12:17 pmHow do you dare insult Mariah and lambs,dirty bitch ?? Stealing slut ! illiterate bitch ! Drugged whore! You’d better mind your pitiful life in prostitution and your multiple abortions! How a person like you could deal with great questions /debates like Female Artist of All Times ,Best Selling Female Artist Of All times ,Musical Talent,Artistic Achievements,etc …? That’s obviously too complex and too “class “ for a pea-brained slut like you ! You’re even not able to write correctly ! don’t you ashamed ?? What the fu** you doing here ? Why don’t you come back in the street and continue your shameful occupation ? Your writing style make me feel sick ,you’re surely an escaped prisoner or an escaped maniac from a psychiatric hospital! Latonya,don’t even mention Mariah Carey name anymore when you’ll post your next crazy bulls**t here,ok? Otherwise, you’ll be sorry for that,believe me! Anyway,your place is not in here,so move bitch ! Move ! TRISH says: December 6, 2010 at 12:21 pm@ Chris/Lucky luke/Unison/Mooriah Scarey fans/etc… A New Day… is a total FLOP beside the sales of TEOM in the countries you mentioned .You know it very well damned liar! TEOM is ranked among the best albums of the 2000 decade,one of the most popular albums in the 2000’s and also one of the most successful ones unlike ANDHC.ANDHC wasn’t even the best selling album of 2002-2003 .Maybe ,the show A New Day… was popular in Las Vegas,but the trash album ANDHC wasn’t as popular as TEOM worldwide.Besides,tell me how many singles Hits this crappy album got in Europe , USA, Australia, Asia,etc…? How it could be as popular as TEOM when it got any hits ? All your sales are biased ,falsified.They come from your nasal imagination,as your brain lies in your nose,in the same way that Wrinkline Oldion’s voice come from her nose.Hahaha! Guiness Worlds Records/Legend Award/Millenium Award/Chopard Diamond Award already named Mariah best selling female artist . Ugline’s Albums sells only in Quebec and Monaco while Mariah’s are huge worldwide! You use only lies and insults as weapons! You come here to play the game “let’s give exaggerated increasing sales to Ugline Oldion and irrelevant achievements to her for try to make her as huge as Mariah”. That’s so pathetic ! First time Ugline won a major award was only since 2004 ( unfortunately, it was irrelevant ) ! Hahaha! Almost any award at all in 90’s .Just so many subjective citations and local so-called awards! Hahaha! The sales Mariah reach in just US and Japan ,blow away all sales Ugline and Whoredonna reach in every continents combined ! That’s why Celine’s and Whoredonna’s Unison/Celine Dion/Miracle/Taking Chances/ American Life/ Hard Can-dick /You Can dance/Erotica/Celebration are all flops cause they are certified in many micro-states in which Platinum certification worth just 10 000 or 20 000 sales .So the sales in all these countries combined surpass rarely 500 000 sales ( a Gold certification in USA ) . TRISH The Whole Europe Platinum certification=US Platinum certification.However,you talked about certifications in 20 European countries or more,not certification for whole Europe ! Furthermore,about ANDHC,1-2 million sales for whole Europe + 3 million for USA = 4-5 million in total.You see that TEOM’s sales in USA alone surpass ANDHC’s in whole Europe and USA combined ! So how it could ever sell as much as TEOM ? You talked about Mariah’s Singles flop? What can you say about Ugline’s ??? Mariah sold more than three times the amount of singles sold by Celine worldwide. Besides,let me remind you that Mariah is the best selling singles female artist ever! Mariah’s sales in US this decade surpass 16 million while Ugline’s doesn’t even reach 15 million.See ? So, Celine stay the nose,the rooster,the talentless and ugly granny,while Mariah stay Mariah,The Ultimate Voice,The Songbird Supreme,The Queen of R&B,The Best Selling Female Artist Of All Times and The Greatest Singer EVER! THE QUEEN OF MUSIC !!! Lucky Luke / My Love / Unison / For Mooriah Fans says: December 6, 2010 at 5:45 pm@ TRISHThis is my Final Post. I Won’t even come back to see the answer you will post.You are the saddest liar / ignorant I ever met in my life.I Was so angryby your lies and the fact that you obviously enterned this debate(as well as the Mariah Vs Madonna Debate) with different nicknames(Stacy,Howard,Jeffrie,Songbird Supreme/The Objective One/Francois)that I decided to hit back at you that same way.Therefore After Ifirst entered here with the Nickname ”Lucky Luke” only thing I wantedwas writing down my opinion about Celine and Mariah without insulting anyone.BUT You answered insulting me (liar / creep) saying my comments made you uspet !Really TRISH ? Anyone’s comments saying Celine is ahead of MC can really upset you ?You should really lead a pathetic life if you get upset by insignificant issues like this.So after This Irrational reaction I decided to play the ”irrational” card myself. So”Lucky Luke” dissapeared and ”My Love” ,”Unison” ,”For Mooriah Fans” followed.For The Record I Am not Chris and Myreal opinion about Celine/Mariah and their sales is what I wroteas ”Lucky Luke”.So I have great respect for both of them.The insults ”Pigriah” , ”Whoriah” etc were writen justto piss you off,sth I D e f I n I t e l y managed to do. :-DAll in all you had to deal with01.My Love -> A Logic/Poite Fan02.Unison -> A Celine Stan With Many Facts/Links/Solid Proof03.For Mooriah Fans -> YOUR ALTER EGO / A Person that talked just like you,insulting Mariah (like you do with Celine) / Only difference is that he actually used Unison’s factswhile you are here,wasting your life and time writing your OPINION,Inflating sales !Of course my game made you mad and therefore you came back all the time insulting Celine and me withthe worst vocabulary anyone could use -> ” Bitch / crap / shut up / motherfu**er / your mother’s ass / fu** you / idiot / a-hole”And you call yourself a GIRL After this ? What kind of a man will be interested in a psycho-girl like you ?As I Told You I Am A Huge Celine And Mariah Fan (I Also Like Madonna) so I Happen To Know E v e r y t h I n g about their Sales !I search a lot,I get my info from solid sources such as IFPI,RIAA,Billboard and some magazines such as Forbes / LA Times to mention a few.You still haven’t answered to ANYONE (not even a Madonna fan in the other debate) where you find your so-called ”Facts”.Since this is the way you want to play this game…ok…I accept it.Your only weapons in the debate were OLD awards Mariah got & inflating her sales like a child.Do you think we are a team of morons to believe TEOM sold 16m ? MTV Live 10m ? Daydream 27m ? Charmbracelet 7m ?How do you dare being such a liar ? you have 0 knowledge on sales !Proof ? you said that sales in Canada and Europe combined are 30 percent the sales in Us ! M I S T A K E !!!Europe equals Us In Terms of sales and this is proved from the certifications level !!Of course you could prove NOTHING of the sales you keep posting !!A New Day Has Come sold 1 or 2 million in Europe ? Aren’t you ASHAMED to say so when IFPI Certified it 3 times Platinum for 3m copies sold ?Europe is a huge market an both Madonna and Celine RULE there. Mariah hasn’t even sold 25m albums there,while Celine’s album sales are over 55m.(Check IFPI Bitch and then start crying over Mimi’s albums – pathetic freak )Plus None of us can know the ridiculous imaginary certifications you posted about China and other Asian markets,except for Japan !! LIAR !Finally beased on certification levels Germany and UK (European Markets) are BIGGER that Japan ! Japan = France.So stop writing bullsh** that Mariah’s Sales In Us and Japan suprass Celine’s sales in Us,Canada,Europe etc.Mariah sold more records than Celine In Asia And Us !! All the other things you say are crap you can’t prove (sales in Pacific Ocean etc lmao)Europe / Australia / Africa / South America / Canada belong to Celine with HUGE Differences. Deal With It !Sorry TRISH ! I am a Mariah Fan and I Happen to own ALL HER ALBUMS & Know her REAL Sales ! and GUESS WHAT !!RIAA / BILLBOARD / Her Label / People in Media / IFPI / Awards All Agree with ME !!! Not YOU !Fact is that nobody suprassed Celine and Mariah since their worldwide debuts back in 1990. Nielsen sounscan era began in 1991 !Since,they are by far the best selling female artists worldwide.Madonna is in the same league of course but takes credit due toher 80’s sales when Mariah and Celine were WORLWIDE not active/uknown.Between Celine and Mariah,Mariah was definitely ahead DURING the 90’s.This is why the industry kept on awarding Mariah forher GLOBAL sales and Achivements.(Artist of the millenium,world music awards etc.)After their 1999 / 2002 / 2003 releases the title went to Celine.(I Am not saying this but the awards she got)She won a Diamond Award you keep calling irrelevant like a desperate child.Her label announced sales of 200m ALBUMS in 2007.Then she got Legend award you call irrelevant as well.Then everyone in the Media call Celine ”the best selling female artist”,while NONE of them gave this title to Mariah.And of course won French distinctions because she is by far the best selling French artist.And finally was proven she was the highest earning musician (Albums & Tours) of the decade.(Forbes Magazine)And that she sold more albums than Mariah,even in Us this decade. (Billboard,RIAA Certifications)And that she was by far the highest grossing solo touring act !! (LA Times,Billboard)You know what TRISH ? There are just so many fu**ing awards in such a short period (all proving her status as the number 1 female selling artist) that I Cannot say they areirrelevant or wrong.When Mariah took these awards I trusted them ! Why should I change this now ? because they award someone else ?How can I question Larry King / Oprah / David Letterman / Ellen when they all call Celine the number 1 female selling artist ? ALL Of them !!When they talk about sales they can’t have an ”opinion”,because sales are solid objective (not subjective) facts.In 2010 Celine Released two smash selling Dvds and has already a sold out tour waiting for her,while I am really concerned about Mariah’s future in the business.In 00’s Albums Like Glitter / Charmbracelet / E=MC 2 / Memoirs of An Imperfect Angel / The Ballads / Playlist / The Remixies / Love Songs sold really low !I Hope this will change soon.However,I still can’t believe how ISLAND DEF JAM Supports mainstream-no voice ”singers” like Rihanna and ignores Mimi’s Xmas Album thathas some huge vocal perfomances in it. (One Child , Adeste Fideles etc) !! Who would believe they would only sent 250.000 copies outside Us ? :SAnyway…All the other things are subjective.And everyone can have a different opinion.I Wish you and other fans to stop acting like haters. If you really believe Celine slept with Rene at age 12 to get a record this is just a sick opinion or a very nice joke.Think Twice before you insult Celine since Mariah has all great RESPECT for her.Did you know that Mariah sent Flowers to Celine after her father passed away ?Did you know that Celine has stated that she would travel miles and miles to meet Mariah and have a duet ?Did you know than in 2010 Mariah said in an interview that thanks to Celine’s efforts (acupuncture etc) she was helped to get pregnant ?They even have photos huging each other from the divas live concert rehearsals back in 1998 !!So…you have two women that stood by each other in issues of DEATH and BIRTH ! What can be bigger than this TRISH ? Sales ? Competition ?Of course you can keep up insulting Celine if you feel better doing so. That behaviour says pretty much everything about your mental health,education and breeding.I hope they both rest their voices and return with big songs once again. Spread Positivity ! This is what Mariah’s and Celine’s songs are about ! Love & Positivity ! Bye. Momo says: December 7, 2010 at 9:33 amDon’t lie to us.You’re a Mariah hater as you never say something positive about her.You’re not better than Trish.You exaggerate Celine’s achievements and decrease Mariah’s.So don’t try to say that you respect Mariah.(I guess you’ll say that I’m Trish,but no matter about it since I’m a lamb like her and I discover your lies against Mariah).Can you just precise for us in what you think Celine is better than Mariah ? Please answer to me ! Lucky Luke / My Love / Unison / For Mooriah Fans says: December 10, 2010 at 12:24 am1.According to World Music Awards In 2004,the Diamond Award was given to Celine For Becoming “The Biggest Selling Female Artist Of All Time”Proof : youtube.com/watch?v=8FC8JehshWw -> (”…This evening she is being recognized with the Diamond Award For Her Unique Achievement as the World’S Best Selling Female Artist Of all time”)celinedioncharts.com/reportsandawards.htmcelinedion.com/celinedion/english/journey_awards.htmlcelinedions.blogspot.com/2009/05/celine-dion-chopard-diamond-award-best.htmlNote : The Diamond Award was created to honour those incredibly successful recording artists who sold over 100 million albums during their musical career.2.Celine Got Legend Award For Her GLOBAL CONTRIBUTION TO MUSIC In 2007Proof 1 : youtube.com/watch?v=4PGbwYtyA7k&feature=fvwProof 2 : celinedion.com/celinedion/english/journey_awards.html”I Have the distinc HONOR….& Incomparable & Force Of Nature” said Prince Albert !So The World Music Awards Honoured Celine Twice For Her Global Sales and Contribution.3.Media Know Celine Dion Is The Best Selling Female Artist ->Proof 1 : youtube.com/watch?v=X2V2xUy3mVIProof 2 : youtube.com/watch?v=iaOaFLVW_WcProof 3 : youtube.com/watch?v=0Slelr0M5jkAnd Recent VideosProof 4 : youtube.com/watch?v=SwdRjLBN618&feature=relatedProof 5 : youtube.com/watch?v=UARmwPRMpX8Sales are Numbers ! Numbers Are Facts ! People In Media talk about Numbers !4.Media Never Gave The Title To Mariah.A. youtube.com/watch?v=i7wnaM0kE7E -> Hellen Talks about 175m AlbumsB. youtube.com/watch?v=QwCANylxjJw -> The X Factor Video about Mariah mentions 200m RECORDS…Not 200m ALBUMS.C. youtube.com/watch?v=e_yzTl-hrnQ&feature=relatedD. youtube.com/watch?v=J7LnpL_k3fo -> David Letterman in 2009 talked about 160 million Albums.5.IFPI Represents the Recording Industry WORLDWIDE with some 1,400 Members In 66 countries and Affiliated Industry Associations In 45 Countries…!A. ifpi.org/content/library/top50-2002.pdf -> A New Day Has Come The 5th Best Selling ! (12m copies)B. ifpi.org/content/library/top50-2003.pdf -> One Heart 10th Best Selling Album of 2003. (8m Copies)C. ifpi.org/content/library/top50-2007.pdfIn March 2003,Celine Dion Received A Special IFPI Award to Commemorate Ten Million Copies Sold of Let’s Talk About Love in Europe,as well as a second IFPI Award in Honor of 50 million albums sold in Europe.6.Celine outsold in album sales In Us all other female artists this decade,exept for Britney Spears.new.music.yahoo.com/blogs/chart_watch/34074/chart-watch-extra-the-top-20-album-sellers-of-the-2000s/7.Pollstar is a provider of concert tour information. It collects and organizes information on concert ticket sales and artist tour schedules…!Pollstar announced that Celine Dion was the best-selling solo touring act of the decade.8.Celine is named ”ARTIST OF THE NEW MILLENIUM”Proof : fanpop.com/spots/celine-dion/videos/9500322/title/celine-dion-entertainer-new-millennium09.Celine recieves Legeon D’Honeur because :A.She Has Sold The Most French Records Worldwide than Any Other Artist !B.Chart success in Non-French Speaking Countries with French Songs – Albums !C.Only Celine managed to sing French in Every corner of this planet.Not Only In Tours.D.Celine Owns The 2 Highest Selling Non-English Albums In Music History (D’eux & S’Il Suffisait D’Aimer)Proof 1 : youtube.com/watch?v=9bwcolWmvGwProof 2 : liberation.fr/actualite/010124661-celine-dion-decoree-de-la-legion-d-honneur-par-nicolas-sarkozy10.Celine’s songs have won 10 Grammy Awards.5 Of them went to Celine.The Other 5 went to composers.& 4 Academy Award Nominations (Beauty And The Beast (WON) / Because You Loved Me/ The Prayer / My Heart Will Go On (WON) )Of course Composers won the Academy Awards !(Although Critics usually dislike her English works)Proof 1 : popstarsplus.com/music_celinedion.htmProof 2 : museumstuff.com/learn/topics/List_of_awards_received_by_Celine_DionProof 3 : en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_awards_received_by_Celine_Dion11.Celine’s DVD ”A New Day” Sold Over 3m copies Worldwide,becoming one of the best selling Dvds In Music History (Cine Tele Revue Magazine)Huge sales mainly In Us and Canada (3 DIAMOND)Proof 1 : canoe.com/divertissement/musique/nouvelles/2007/12/11/4719391-ca.htmlProof 2 : community.indigo.ca/posts/Karen-Kennedy/user-92962/330333.htmlProof 3 : newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/January2008/17/c2039.htmlProof 4 : billboard.biz/bbbiz/charts/yearendcharts/chart_display.jsp?f=Top+Music+Video+Sales&g=Year-end+SinglesProof 5 : billboard.biz/bbbiz/charts/yearendcharts/2008/chart_display.jsp?f=Top+Music+Video+Sales&g=Year-end+SinglesHer Latest Dvds debuted at number 1 and number 2 at Billboard Dvd Chart,While The Movie Dvd was certified 2 DIAMOND In CanadaProof : rockstarweekly.com/celine-dion-receives-three-video-awards-for-quick-sales.html12.According to Sony Music BMG,Celine Dion has sold over 200 million albums worldwide.(Oficial Announcement In 2007)Source: Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) & sonymusic.ch/Celine-Dion/Delles/P/47711786713.According to ISLAND DEF JAM Mariah has sold 200 million Albums & Singles & Dvds worldwide ! (Official Announcement In 2010)Even her LABEL disagrees with your LIES !!!Proof : islanddefjam.com/artist/news_single.aspx?nid=7892&artistID=738614.A Few Magazines That Confirm Celine Is The Number 1 Selling Female Artist (Released After 2007)latimesblogs.latimes.com/music_blog/2010/01/celine-dion-reaches-peak-of-the-decades-ultimate-top-10.htmlmontrealgazette.com/entertainment/Celine+Dion+Forbes+list/1885772/story.htmluptoline.com/in-december-2009-pollstar-announced-that-celine-dion-was-the-best-selling-solo-touring-actuk.reuters.com/article/idUKTRE4BS4ZM2008123115.Forbes Magazine Announced In 2009 Celine was the highest earning musician of the 00’s ! (Albums & Tours)16.RIAA / IFPI / AWARDS / MAGAZINES / MEDIA / LABELS -> All Agree. Lucky Luke / My Love / Unison / For Mooriah Fans says: December 10, 2010 at 4:23 am@ Momo !I Am 100 times better than Trish !I Could never insult Mariah the way she does with Celine (ugly,whore,bitch,camel,nose etc),or reduce her album sales.I will probably understand if you are Trish or not by your answers.Trish is behind nicknames STACY , HOWARD , JEFFRIE , SONGBIRD SUPREME , THE OBJECTIVE ONE , MARIAH’S FAN. (I Could bet money on that lol)I Happen to be in Mariah’s Forums and sites and I Honestly tell you I search a lot on her sales. Therefore me and other lambs as well know veeeery well that (for example) TEOM didn’t sell 16m copies like TRISH said or Charmbracelet 6m ! these are all jokes and I have nothing more to add on lies such as ”Daydream sold 9m copies In Asia,5m in Europe” !! Any REAL Mariah fan knows that IFPI Certified the album 3 Times Platinum in Europe. (I am giving just examples so don’t stick to them). On the other hand obsessed people can just lie and lie , inflating sales to prove their idols suprass everyone.You are right in one thing.I should have said more positive things about Marah.I Talked only about Celine’s achievents because I insisted on the topic ”Mariah VS Celine” in terms of Sales…so I only talked about their sales.My Opinion On Mariah :01.Influence / ContributionI hardly believe Mariah has influnced many artists like Aguilera , Beyonce , Rihanna to mention a few ! & she adopts to the changes in music industry.02.Voice I think she possesses a larger vocal range than Celine.Proof is that she whistles while Celine can’t reach these notes.People that say she lost her voice are a team of jerks! Mariah proved in her latest Xmas album she is still a reat vocalist (when Christmas comes , adeste fideles , once child ).03.Creativity I’d really like Celine to write her own lyrics more often and produce her music.this is what Mariah does since her debut as EVERYONE knows ! She can write simple lyrics (emotions,love takes time) , smart lyrics ( breakdown , the roof ) , personal lyrics (petals , close my eyes , looking in ) , corny-funny lyrics (touch my body , up out my face) , empowering lyrics (hero,anytime you need a friend , 100 percent) , spiritual lyrics (fly like a bird).04.Beauty I Find Mariah prettier/sexier than Celine.(I Don’t find Celine ugly)…I only hope Mariah loses some weight after the pregnancy !! I Also like 90 percent of Mariah’s videos while I Can’t say the same about Celine’s videos,cause I find most of them kinda boring ! :PFor me the highest achievement of Mariah is the undeniable fact that she managed to create and sing good songs both as an AC pop artist and as an Rnb Urban artist & achieve chart success with them.Personally I prefer the ”old” Mariah.My favorite album are Daydream and Butterfly… My favorite songs are My all , without you , looking in , the roof , angels cry.Momo,If we were in you tube,we could be you tube friends and talk about Mariah all day,but here it’s kinda difficult and I don’t know if u’r gonna believe I am Mariah’s fan.If you go back and see my very first comment as Lucky Luke you will see I insulted NOBODY here BUT This lovely girl named TRISH started writing crap,dissing me (and Celine of course) while saying lies about celine’s and Mariah’s sales.Anyway…I am done with her.I Already spent much time on this crazy stan.Thanx for the post you wrote Momo ! U reminded me I hadn’t said anything positive about Mariah.Happy Holidays to Everyone guys!youtube.com/watch?v=aMUjniLygMc TRISH says: December 10, 2010 at 10:02 am@ Lucky Luke/My Love?Unison/For Mooriah Fans/… That’s your final post?? You mean till the time you’ll come back here with another nickname? Your declaration didn’t surprise me,as I always knew that Chris,Lucky Luke,MC HATERS,Unison,For Mooriah Fans,etc…are the same person.Let me remind you,it’s from your business if you’ll come back here or not,I don’t care about it.Anyway,I must reply to your comment as you address it to me.First of all,you’re a worse liar and ignorant than me.You was so angry just because you met someone smarter than you.I am a million times better than you,believe me.By the way,I never used the Nicknames of Stacy,Francois,Howard ,The Objective One.I used Songbird Supreme,The Voice rules,Mimi rules,Jeffrie .The Nicknames you mentioned ,belong to lambs whom took part in Popdirt forums many months before me.I was angry against all Celine’s fans because they refuse deliberately to accept the logical aspect by which Celine’s total sales can’t surpass Mariah’s just in 1 year,although Mariah realize a huge success with TEOM only 2 years later.In accordance with all medias, Mariah’s sales were ahead Celine’s till the 2003 year.So,how Celine’s sales could catch up Mariah’s sales,then surpass her,only in one year? Without any huge smash hit album over Mariah ( in the 2000’s,Celine got ANDHC,Mariah got TEOM.One Heart and Mariah’s Greatest Hits sold the same ) ? How Mariah’s TEOM sales in 2006 couldn’t make her keep ( or take back ) her advantage over Celine? Have you ever ask yourself these questions? This would be the main preoccupation in this debate,not just coming here and repeat what Oprah,Letterman or Degeneres said,and that everybody already know.Here ,we challenge what everybody already admit ,and we deal with assertions in accordance with what we observe. Debates must bring light on what we usually hear and see by medias.Media’s claims are not always truthful nor irrefutable .For example,Guiness claimed that Madonna sold 380 albums since 2005.However,by June 2010,it rectify this amount to 200 million for 2011! IFPI claim Nana Mouskouri sold 200-300 million albums,nevertheless, her real sales doesn’t surpass…40 million! Nana Mouskouri is not even in the top 20 best selling artists in Europe,nor in the top 10 best selling female artists in Europe ,her stronger market by far( Mariah made the list )! Even Mariah’s total sales in Europe surpass Nana Moukouri’s by far ! You see ? So,in real facts,how Nana Mouskouri could ever sold more albums than Mariah worldwide ( you said that only Madonna,Celine and Nana Mouskouri had reach 200 million album sold worldwide ).You see ? You just repeat what you hear and see,without trying to understand if it’s true or false. If Oprah,Letterman or Degeneres said 1+1=3, would you believe in it without trying to understand by yourself how 1+1 could ever =3 ? You must research the truth,no matter whom institution or personality claim something . So,just repeat ridiculous thing like “ only Celine Dion,Madonna and Nana mouskouri has sold over 200 million albums worldwide” can’t change nothing to the real facts,as I always said. No one’s comments never upset me because it say Celine is ahead MC.No,no.I know very well that MC is ahead Celine,not because I love Mariah,but because everything show it.But ,I can reply the same question to you.Tell me,do anyone’s comments saying Mariah is ahead of Celine can really upset you ? At least,I never deny that Celine beats Mariah by far in concerts and tours ! But you,can you say to me what did you ever recognize Mariah got over Celine? You deny deliberately all assets in which Mariah beat Celine obviously.let’s see.Voice? You said that Mariah lose her voice since the 2000 decade,and Celine’s 2000 voice is better than Mariah’s as Celine is successful in concerts and tours unlike Mariah.Writing and producing skills ? You said that Celine can do the same but she’s too busy on giving successful tours around the world,while you said that she have time enough to write and produce songs for some wanna be French artists.Sing hability and soulfulness? You said nothing in that, just because you know that Mariah wins obviously.Beauty? You said that Mariah is most beautiful than Celine because she got plastic implants and fake boobs. Influence/inspiration on other Artists? You Said that some artists like Susan Boyle,Leona Lewis,etc…already covered a Celine’s song.But you never precise which artist claim that Celine is her/his main influence .Sexyness? You said that Mariah is just a whore cause she show her body ,unlike Celine.Singles sales? You said that Labels doesn’t care about Singles because they are cheap.Contribution in Music? Everyone always admit that Mariah have huge contributions in music: Her sing style which is emulated by a lot of today’s artists,her revolution of music by her Pop/Hip Hop style,etc…But,you said that Celine got Awards for her global contribution in music,although you can’t precise what kind of contribution Celine really bring in music.All that you find as contribution for Celine,are her sales and the simple fact that she sings in French language in her English concerts. .Number 1 Hits worldwide? You said that Mariah got most Hits than Celine because she use payola shemes for topping Charts and dropped out the prices of her singles !About albums sales,you based your arguments on Awards and Medias lists/citations without trying to understand the real facts by themselves.Moreover,you inflate and increase Celine’s albums sales when you use detailed datas,but you accuse me to do it. As a Celine fan,you try to lead your own criterions for the better artist.Lambs did the same,but at least lambs got most deserving criterions than you did. -In accordance with Celine’s fans,Celine is a better artist than Mariah because she’s most successful on stage and sold much more concert tickets ,she earns highest incomes ,she sold more DVD and sold more albums than Mariah. -In accordance with lambs,Mariah is a better artist than Celine because she got a better voice (Beauty,smoothness,power,versatility,flexibility,soulfulness),she’s able to create her own songs,she influences much more artists,she disrupts music,she sing more different musical genres,She got more number 1 Hits worldwide , She sold more albums than Celine,she sold much more singles than Celine,She bring HUGE contribution in music,she have most professional assets than Celine ( she’s an entrepreneur,a producer,a fashion model, an actress and a music video-director ). I guess you’re much more upseted than me.I don’t remember I said that I was upseted by your pitiful comments.I never said that.By the way,I’m sure that my life is less pathetic than yours.I’m just smarter than you could think,kid ! Don’t worry about my life,it’s not from your business,ok? Who care about your opinion? You really proved that you have great respect for “both”.That’s why you wrote Mariah is a whore? A bitch? A cow ? That she sell her image to make Soldiers and Teenagers fantasize on her? That she had number 1 Hits in USA at 1990’s thanks to Mottola? That she had huge success worldwide thanks to Tommy Mottola? That she got fake boobs and plastic implants? That she’s the queen of payola ? That she sold albums only in USA and Japan? If that’s what you call great respect,I can say that I have a great respect for Celine too.Besides, I don’t hate Celine, I just hate some of her foolish fans.Lucky Luke/Unison/… Just assume all that you already did in this debate.Don’t try to clear yourself of your biased and mad comments.Let me tell you that you made a BIG mistake if you think that your stupid “game” had influenced my temper.This is rather me that would say that to you,because everything prove it.It seems like you’re very afraid by insults.That’s why,you changed Lucky Luke to Unison,then For Mooriah Fans,etc… I have pity on you ! Yes,I’m a girl,a proud girl ! I’m beautiful and I got so many boys who interested by me ! 1. I doubt that your knowledge about these singers could surpass mine ! I know EVERYTHING about their life and career ! Those artists got no secret for me and my sources are irrefutables ! About Awards,at least all the old Awards that Mariah won are relevants, unlike Celine’s current Awards.As weapons,you use insignificant Platinum certifications to prove that Celine’s albums sales surpass Mariah’s.You contradict yourself many times in your comments.You said that A New day… sold more than TEOM because it got 20 platinum certifications unlike TEOM.You also said that it certified 3 times Platinum for 3 m copies sold in Europe.But you just forgot that 3m in Europe +3m in USA =6 m.So How it could ever surpass TEOM,when its USA sales alone equal the Europe + US sales of ANDHC ? Do you think we are a team of morons to believe A New Day … sold more than TEOM ? One heart 7m ? All The Way 24m ? Taking Chances 4 m? Miracle 3m ? Even Wikipedia ( greatest Celine’s supporter ) accord much lower sales for these albums ! 1. You dreaming a dream , my dear.You’re just blinded,anyone can notice it. (Inform yourself about Glitter and Charmbracelet,they sold more than 500.000 each in China alone).Maybe Platinum Certification in Europe =Platinum Certification in USA.But USA is a bigger musical market than Europe.That’s why every international albums usually sold more in USA than in Europe ( for example compare the respective total sales of Celine and Mariah in USA and in Europe.You’ll see that they sold more in USA ).All the certifications you mentioned about Celine’s albums come from your imagination.Nobody believe in it.LIAR ! The real sales of Celine Dion in Europe are – 51million, In USA she sold 50 million albums.In Asia 18 million approximatelly. Mariah Carey’s sales are – 27 million in Europe,65 million in USA,approximatelly 40 million in Asia.Moreover,Mariah rules in Australia and South America market ! See? Mariah got the advantage anyway ! Don’t dare call me liar ,because you are ! Based on certification levels,Japan is BIGGER than any European country,included UK,Germany and France.Mariah’s Music Box and # 1’S reached close to 4 million sales each,only in Japan.Her best selling single surpass 2 million sales there.Did Celine already realize a such performance in an European country ? PATHETIC IDIOT ! You just ignore all Mariah’s sales/certifications in all Asia ( China,Taiwan,Corea,Hong Kong,Singapur,Phillipines,Thailand,Malaysia,Indonesia,etc…) although everybody (including you )know that Asia is Mariah’s second strongest market worldwide . However,about celine,you always mention her strongest markets ( USA,Canada,Europe ). Everything prove that Mariah’s global sales surpass Celine’s. Celine sold more albums than Mariah in Europe and Canada !! All other things you say are delirium by your sickness flu.(Sales in South America ,Australia,etc…). North America / Australia /South America / Asia belong to Mariah with HUGE Differences ! Don’t you get shame on posting your lies here? How much PATHETIC you are! You think you surprise me because you said you got all Mariah’s albums and know her “REAL” sales! Me too I got all Celine’s Album since her international career in 1990 till now.That’s why I know very well her songs and am able to say some things about her work.I insult Celine only because of pathetic fans like you !Maybe Celine’s label agree with you,but none of Musical Institutions like: RIAA / BILLBOARD / People in Media / IFPI / Awards never gave so much biased data/figure sales as you did. You gave a list of Celine’s/Mariah’s album sales in the 2000 decade in which you increase all Celine’s figure sales exaggerately while you decrease all Mariah’s ! in accordance to your biased list,ANDHC sold 15 million ,One Heart 7 million,Miracle 4 million,Taking Chances 4 million, All The Way 24 million,etc…! but you just LIE!You increase the sales of all these albums exaggerately ! Even Wikipedia ( the best supporter of Celine ) accord much lower sales to these albums ! About global albums sales,Mariah and Celine are neck and neck.Mariah beats Celine by far on Singles sales.Besides ,even if Celine would sold more albums than Mariah ,Mariah would always beat her on total records thanks to the sale of her Singles.So,Mariah sold more records ( albums + singles combined ) than Celine. We don’t care about what Oprah Winfrey,Larry King,Ellen degeneres and David Letterman said about Celine when we already know that Celine’s albums sales are neck and neck with Mariah’s.If Celine got advantage over Mariah on DVD sales and ticket concert sales worldwide,Mariah got advantage over Celine on Singles sales and number 1 Hits worldwide.About talent and skills,I even don’t need to mention whom is the undeniable winner among Celine and Mariah.In 00’s Celine’s and Mariah’s albums sold really low because their best lies in 90’s.However,Celine continue to have huge success on touring although her albums sold low ( though with low budget ). Mariah’s 2000’s albums sold low too ( but with highest budget than Celine’s) but it’s because she sang mainly Hip Hop music .That’s why Celine’s and Mariah’s album sales are approximately equivalent in the 2000’s .Celine just released more albums ( French releases + English releases ) that sold moderately,and with no deficit whereas Mariah’s albums sold approximately the same amount but with no profits for her label. .Mariah’s new Christmas album flops because of Susan Boyle’s The Gift.Susan Boyle is a new musical sensation worldwide,that’s why her Christmas album blow away Mariah’s,although Mariah’s new Xmas album is better based on quality and vocal performances.Mariah proves she still able to give a very good Pop/Ballad album like she used to in her days at the 1990’s.She proved it by her current Christmas album,her voice stay amazing/unique and keeps its qualities and abilities. Lucky Luke / My Love / Unison / For Mooriah Fans says: December 10, 2010 at 3:13 pm@ To TRISHIt is obvious I didn’t mean to insult Mariah but just upset you with these insults.My real opinion is post 67.I see you basically did the same (insulting celine) to piss me off.so we are ok with this.You said you got upset by my very first comment as Lucky Luke.Check you first reply ! you actually wrote ”first you come here and upset everybody…”.Once again…For the record…I think Mariah influenced more artists (I actually wrote it above) , I find her sexier , better videos , bigger range (whistle notes). I own her discography. Of course I own Celine’s discography as well.Celine writes songs rarely and involved herself in the production of a few albums. Of course even stones know Mariah is a songwriter & produces every record ! that’s why I give credit to her.But I just don’t consider Celine a robot or totally useless.Since you own Celine’s discography (therefore you are her fan) I think you don’t really believe she slept with Rene at age 12 to get a record deal !! :PAbout their sales…there’s nothing left to say.I know RIAA Crtifies albums in Us / IFPI In Europe…who certifies sales in China , Korea , Pacific Ocean etc ? I really haven’t got a clue on this but you probably know since you talk about the certifications Mariah got there. I have seen nothing of this in forums and blogs or sites.All In All I am kinda tired of this debate (I hope it ends soon) and if Guinness book of records (that never claimed Madonna sold 380m records – even her stans never mention this huge figure) , world music awards , what labels and media say can’t change your opinion…who am I to do so ?I am honestly sorry for insulting you…With all this fu**ing debates I actually forgot I write to another human being. TRISH says: December 14, 2010 at 9:01 am@Lucky Luke / My Love / Unison / For Mooriah Fans : I am glad that our feud is finally over. Me too,I didn’t mean to insult Celine,I’m really sorry for that,I’m a big fan of Celine and of course, I don’t really believe Celine slept with Rene at age 12 to get a record deal.I said that just to upset her fans here. I admit that she’s a better live entertainer than Mariah.Moreover,Celine is a very great vocalist too.Her renditions of the songs: The Power Of Love, All By Myself The First Time Ever I Saw Your Face and All The Way are really good and amazing vocal performances! My favorite albums from Celine are Falling Into You and Let’s Talk About Love.My favorite songs are :Falling Into You,If You Asked Me To,Seduces Me,Only One Road ,Call The Man,The Reason, Je Ne Sais Pas and All By Myself. I think Mariah and Celine are both legends.So we shouldn’t fight just for proving who is better among both. No matter who sold more or less records between them as long as we love them.I love Mariah and Celine and I wish to them joy,love and happiness in their respective life.I was so glad for Celine when she gave birth to her Twins.Now I await Mariah’s baby with impatience ! @Latonya: It’s time for us to be reasonable and stop this stupid war of insults.You love Whitney but that’s doesn’t mean that she sold more records than Mariah and Celine.I love and respect Whitney because she is the main influence of Mariah Carey and Celine Dion . Some Whitney’s performances like: Saving All My Love For You,Where You Are,All The Man That I Need,I Have Nothing, Miracle etc… are among my favorite songs .Cause I am a Whitney fan too and have all her albums .My favorite albums for her, are Whitney and The Bodyguard..I consider Whitney,Mariah and Celine as the greatest vocalists and the best female artists of all times ! And my favorite albums overall are Emotions and The Emancipation Of Mimi.My favorite songs overall are Emotions, Fly Like A Bird,Vision Of Love and If It’s Over. Lucky Luke says: December 14, 2010 at 12:06 pmI Agree In Everything You say…My Favorite Celine songs are Immortality , My Heart Will Go On , A New Day Has Come , I Surrender , Where Is The Love , The Reason , To Love You More , Only One Road , Where Does My Heart Beat Now , My Love.And Mariah’s Are My All , Without You , Looking In , The Roof , Angels Cry , Breakdown , Melt Away , Open Arms , Till The End Of Time , Love Takes Time.They are so perfect in everything they do.Let’s Hope The Best For Both Of Them. Latonya says: December 15, 2010 at 10:15 amOK its my turn now. I said all this stuff to irritate the fans of the other divas. Believe it or not I LOVE Mariah & Celine. The only one I don’t like or respect is Madonna. But lets move onMy favorite Celine albums are A New Day Has Come, Lets talk bout love and Celine Dion. My favorite songs are: A new day has come, All by myself, I surrender, Rain tax (yep I’m serious lol), Dance with my father, Beauty and the beast and.My favorite Mariah albums are E=MC2, Emotions and hr new Xmas album is fabulous. She sings like the old days of the 90s in songs like O come all your faithful, O little town of Bethlehem and When Xmas comes. My favorite Mariah songs are Fly like a bird, For The record, Emotions, So blessed and touch my body.My favorite Whitney albums are I’m Your Baby Tonight, I Look to you and Preachers Wife OST. Songz I Will always love you, Step By step, I wanna dance wit somebody, Hold me, Your still my man and lots more.Of coarse I love Whitney more than Celine and Mariah but that don’t mean I don’t respect or love the other two.I’m happy for Celine’s twin boyz and for Mariah’s baby (or babies? Last I heard she was having twinz too). I’m happy dat Whitney is finally off drugz and made a fresh start.Dis is my last message. Happy holidays y’all and peace. Lucky Luke says: December 17, 2010 at 4:45 amOh yes ! Mariah is expecting twins ! It is Official ! :)Ps. I Like Rain Tax too ! :D Alison says: December 17, 2010 at 8:53 pmI don’t think Mariah Carey has made a great album since ‘Music Box’ way back in 1993. All the albums that followed sound the same: it seems like a case of “if it ain’t broken, don’t fix it”. However, CHRISTY everything you mention in your list is purely your opinion, not fact. Celine Dion sold more records than Mariah Carey so she is better. Any other statement is purely an opinion and can’t be challenged. Broken-T says: December 18, 2010 at 10:16 amAlison,GET OUT OF HERE STUPID HATER ! This is only your opinion.Celine doesn’t sold more records than Mariah as everything discussing by Trish and Lucky Luke proves it.Don’t turn back these questions here now.It’s over,you understand OVER.You’d better follow the great examples of the trues debaturs in this blog.TRISH.LUCKY LUKE then LATONYA.Everything is alright now .Get out of here HATER !!! Momo says: December 19, 2010 at 7:51 amWell,I really happy that the war is over between LATONYA, LUCKY LUKE and TRISH.I am a great fan of Mariah Carey and Whitney Houston .I love and respect Celine Dion too.My favorite albums for Whitney are I’m your baby tonight,The Bodyguard and My love is your love.My favorite songs for Whitney are:Greatest love of all, I wanna dance with somebody,For the love of you,Run to you,IWALY,I believe in you and me,step by step,I learned from the best,When you believe (I’m crazy for this song ! ),and It’s not right but it’s okay.For Mariah,my favorite albums are: Mariah Carey,Emotions,Music Box,Daydream and The Emancipation of Mimi.My songs are: Vanishing,I don’t wanna cry,Emotions,If it’s over,So blessed ,You’re so cold,I’ll be there,Dreamlover,Hero,Anytime you need a friend,Music box,Fantasy,Forever,Butterfly,Honey,Fly like a bird,Mine again and Circles. For her Christmas songs,I loooove her new Christmas album ! including of course : All I want for Christmas is you and her unique rendition of O holy night from her first Xmas album.Let’s enjoy music and Happy holidays to everyone ! Barack Obama says: December 30, 2010 at 6:15 amFIRST OF ALL THIS PAGE IS ABOUT CELINE AND MARIAH, PLEASE DO NOT MENTION OTHER ARTISTS BESIDES THE MARIAH AND CELINE.BOTH SALES, ACHIEVEMENTS, AND CHART RECORDS is not really the assumption here if who’s best, because it can be simply determined who’s best just by ASKING PEOPLE AROUND YOU’RE NEIGHBORHOOD, BECAUCE THE REAL MEASURE OF WHO’S GREATER IS IN TERMS OF L E G A C Y!….THERE’S NO DENYING MOST PEOPLE KNOW THEM AND THERE’S NO DENYING THAT MOST PEOPLE KNOW THEIR HITS.. ——–1ST CELINE———— BEST SONG – MY HEART WILL GO ON ———NOTABLE SONGS AN AVERAGE JOE CAN SING——- POWER OF LOVE (even if its a cover, many thinks its she’s original), BECAUSE YOU LOVED ME, I’m you’re Angel, Immortal, ——–2ND MARIAH———— BEST SONG – HERO ———NOTABLE SONGS AN AVERAGE JOE CAN SING——- WITHOUT YOU, I’LL BE THERE ( both of these songs are covers still people thinks even I’ll be there, she was the original singer) WE BELONG TOGETHER(the chorus, they can sing it)and My ALL , I Still Believe and of course ALL I WANT FOR X-MAS IS YOU.the winner is Mariah Carey!. bow. Lucky Luke says: January 2, 2011 at 6:47 am@ ObamaLmao ! You mean ”Immortality” and it was only released in Europe so many people don’t know the song that well.Great nickname !! :-PI Though of giving an answer to this under the name ”Nicola Sarkozy” !! ha ha ha !! you made my day. Lucky Luke says: January 5, 2011 at 12:34 am@ BROKEN-TYou wrote ”Celine doesn’t sold more records than Mariah as everything discussing by Trish and Lucky Luke proves it”Actually we just stopped fighting.This doesn’t mean anything against Celine was proven. BROKEN-T says: January 6, 2011 at 9:12 am@ Lucky Luke I think so.Anything against Mariah Carey was proven.Anyway,everything prove that Mariah Carey is the winner ! Let’s see their respective criterions for the better artist. The fans of Celine doesn’t get on with Mariah’s for the Albums sales question.So,we’ll don’t consider albums sales as a criterion. CELINE DION beats Mariah in : -Tours -Concert Tickets sales -Income -DVD salesMARIAH CAREY beats Celine in : -Number 1 Hits Worldwide -Single sales -Legacy ( Influence,Contribution in Music,etc…) -Voice ( MTV Countdown,Blender Magazine,Guiness World Records,etc…) -Talent ( Writing,Composing,Producing,Arranging,Directing Skills ) -Professionnal assets ( Actress, Fashion Model ). (As we see,even if we would consider Celine sold more albums than Mariah.Mariah would be the winner anyway ,cause she combine the better artistical criterions). Mariah is the winner because she collect the best criterions as an artist ,and her achievements touches music/people deeper than Celine’s ! Lucky Luke says: January 6, 2011 at 6:04 pm@ Broken-TI am the only one who brought actual facts here.– The Only One –You just choose to ignore them.All the things you say about music,achievents etc is youropinion and I respect it. Just don’t present your opinionas an undeniable fact.Celine outsold Mariah in total album sales since theirdebut and this is easily proved by Celine’s awards thatonly lambs seem to ignore calling them irrelevant.How easy is this ? :-)Also the whole Media mention Celine sold more.Celine outsold Mariah in Album sales , tours , dvds…If Mariah is the best seller why don’t people demand toattend her concerts and therefore it is hard to fillarenas?If Mariah is the best seller why all her latest effortsflopped ? Even in Us and Japan – her strong markets.Celine has sold 51m albums in Us , 56m In Europe , 20m In Asia , 15m in Canada and 4m in australia. (146M)Mariah sold 64m albums in Us , 25m In Europe , 30m in Asia , 5m In Canada and 3m in Australia. (127M) Lucky Luke says: January 8, 2011 at 12:14 amI Made A Mistake…I Just searched andMariah has over 32 Platinum certifications in Australiabringing her total certified album sales there to 2.3m.(70k to reach platinum)Celine has 35 Platinum certifications bringing hertotal to 2.5m certified albums there.So they don’t have a difference of 1m like I postedbefore but just of 200k…they are almost equal.Mymistake.Sorry. BROKEN-T says: January 8, 2011 at 8:34 amYou are the only one who brought links here Lucky Luke,not facts.All that you said about sales are bull**t,you biased all of them.You know very well that Mariah sold much more albums than Celine worldwide ! Trish proves it severall times! She’s a better debatur than you.All that you bring are doubtfull and subjective links,you can’t prove anything by facts,like Trish did.Besides,you always said that you’re a Mariah fan too,if you really is you’d agree by the fact that Mariah is a better artist than Celine even if Celine would sold more albums than her.Greatness of an artist doesn’t lie only on her albums sales.Mariah wins,everything prove it ! Lucky Luke says: January 8, 2011 at 10:51 amAre you joking ? I am the one who brought Facts.Links from Billboard , IFPI , RIAA , Forbes Magazine etc.So these links are FACTS From objective sources ! lol !You all say One Heart is a flop and I answer thataccording to IFPI it was the 10th best selling albumof 2003.Therefore I am simply right and you are wrong.See how it works ?None of you did this.TRISH proved nothing. I just gave up on her (POST 68)In this post I already said Mariah is a great artist ,but this is everyone’s opinion. There people callingCeline and Mariah trash ! So you can’t be objectivewith someone’s greatness , especially in case of Celineand Mariah cause they are both amazing !Exactly when did TRISH prove anything by facts ? lolWhen I asked for links and sources she answered her wordsare enough , avoiding to give facts just likeshe did in the other popdirt debate !! ….so please save your words ! I know who knows what !TRISH is pretty smart but she never talked with factsbased on IFPI or RIAA for example.Finally , All you can do Broket-T is call my linksdoubtful and irrelevant.This is just childish ,predictable and boring…It only proves you are unable to answer back. Broken-T says: January 11, 2011 at 10:27 am@ Lucky Luke : Are you sick ? What is the title of this debat e? Is this best selling female artist Celine or Mariah ? No,this is rather: Celine Dion vs Mariah Carey ,that mean who among Celine Dion and Mariah Carey is the best on overall achievements,not just in sales ! You just try to limit the comparison between both artists only on sales ! However,greatness of artists doesn’t lie only on sales,sales and sales ! If Celine Dion really sold more albums than Mariah,Do just a few million of albums sold in advantage can make an artist better than another one ? Not at all! Everyone would disagree with that idea.Celine Dion and Mariah Carey are enough close on record sold and success ( the whole world recognize Mariah as the most successful artist of the 1990’s decade which is the most successful decade,Celine Dion is one of most successful artists of the 2000 decade ,the less successful decade ).Both artists were honored as best selling female artists of the world ( Mariah the first,after a 10 years of international career and 9 releases ,singing only on English ;then Celine Dion after 14 years of international career + singing on 2 different languages + 9 years of Quebecker career & dozens of releases there ). So a comparison among both can be based just on their respective success.There is so much more ,which constituting the greatness of artists ! Mariah is clearly the winner ! Besides ,the comparison must constitute not only recent/actual facts,but all times achievements ( fulfillments through all the length of the career’s ).Mariah is the winner anyway ! Criterions are not just opinions ! don’t try to confound best selling artist criterions to better artist overall criterions ! Besides,about facts, everything prove that Mariah sold more records than Celine worldwide ! Mariah is better than Celine overall.About links you gave,there is no need to have stupid links to prove all that we say ,you know it damn well ! We don’t need links to know that Mariah is a much more influential artist than Celine ,that she sold more singles worldwide than Celine,that her voice is ranked best voice ever in MTV countdown,Blender Magazine,etc…,that Mariah Produce,write,compose and arrange her own materials unlike Celine,that she’s the most successful non Asian artist in Asia,etc…You try to reduce lambs efforts just with your biased links,but you can’t . Facts themselves are enough to prove all what we claim,as everybody see. Lucky Luke says: January 12, 2011 at 9:35 amYou brought no facts at all.Everything else on ”greatness” is just your opinion.Everyone talked about sales so after I entered thedebate,I talked about sales as well,so I am prettymuch logical and healthy. :-PPlus,I already posted my opinion on Mariah’s voice,talent , beauty and songwriting skills without trying toprove ”she is the best” , cause this is not a FACT buta point of view.You know well Celine has many achievents as well.You just choose to ignore them. :-)The fact that you call Celine’s distinctions irrelevantand biased shows who is the bitter hater here.You call my links biased. Why ? Did I change anythingon them to make them Partial ? Did I invented theselinks ? Did you even bother to take a look ?If you think IFPI , BILLBOARD or MEDIATRAFFICare biased,then the sick person is you,not me.In terms of sales , thank God everything is provenby recent Awards , Media and musical institutions data. TRISH says: January 20, 2011 at 10:23 amI brought facts unlike you Lucky Luke.You didn’t bring any fact at all! You just gave links.Links are not facts.Links are created by facts,but facts are not created by linkks.All facts prove severall times that Mariah sold more albums than Celine and much more Singles than her.So,Celine is far behind Mariah on records sales.Moreover,Mariah beats Celine on every other artistical assets and skills ! So Mariah is a much better artist than Celine ! Lucky Luke 7 says: January 20, 2011 at 12:14 pm01.Stick to the nickname TRISH so we can talk in a logicbase once again and I don’t mention anything againon your behaviour,nicknames etc.02.I Brought 47 Links here…Links from IFPI data forexample…since when a link from IFPI is not a fact ?what about you ?03.I won’t fight on skills etc because this is sth sosubjective. Even musicians and music critics praiseboth of them but they also speak in a negative waya few times using words such as brethy (for Mariah)and nasal (for Celine) …The word ”better” is subjective as well.So this is everyone’s opinion.04.On sales…what facts exactly prove that Mariah soldmore ?You say ”Facts prove”…what facts ? :P05.I’d say it is quite the opposite cause Celine hasrecieved much more awards and distinctions than Mariah,plus it is proved she is a stable album seller.06.If you gonna bring any certifications just BECAREFUL ! Don’t make mistakes againsuch as– Us is bigger than Europeor– All I want for xmas is you sold 20mor– Gliter sold over 1m copiesetc…Be really really careful. TRISH says: January 24, 2011 at 8:32 am@ Lucky Luke.You brought 47 links here,not 47 convincing arguments nor facts.You also gave many Datas sales certifications according to RIAA and IFPI and they deny your “ 47 links”.So,either your “47 links “ are contradictory either they are partial and subjective .As all RIAA and IFPI certifications about Celine and Mariah prove that Mariah is ahead of Celine on albums sales worldwide.For example how an album certified 3 times platinum by IFPI and 3 times platinum by RIAA could ever surpass another who is certified 6 times platinum by RIAA and 1 time platinum by IFPI ??? Idem for all other Certification sales about Mariah and Celine according to RIAA,IFPI and their respective sales in the rest of the world.Mariah is ahead Celine on albums sales. About Skills,they are not subjective at all.They stay facts.Is this subjective to say that Michael Jacson was a better dancer than Michael Bolton ? Is this subjective to say that Beyonce got a better voice than Lady Gaga ?Is this subjective to say that Madonna is a better dancer than Celine Dion ? No they are Facts,not subjectivities.This is not subjective to say that Mariah got a better voice than Celine. -Facts: Mariah Carey write,compose,produce,arrange her own songs and also for other artists. Celine didn’t.This is not subjective at all. -Facts: Mariah influence so many artists by her sing style (Beyonce,Christina,Kelly,Jessica,Rihanna,Backstreet Boys,Nsync,etc…) This is not subjective at all. -Facts: Mariah got a most beautiful,powerful and technical voice than Celine.It’s proved by all Mariah’s songs like,Emotions,Melt Away,Lookin’ in,Against All Odds,Oh Santa,Fourth Of July,My Saving Grace,etc…every musical experts like Simon Cowell recognize it.Artists like:Kelly Clarkson,Christina Aguilera,etc…Medias: Guinness World Records,Blender Magazine,MTV Countdown , online polls,objective music fans,etc…agree with it.So don’t try to say that it’s subjective in the same way it’s would not subjective to say that Celine got a better voice than Cher or Annie Lennox) This is Awards which could are subjective when they doesn’t honored a real achievement or skill from an artist. So,don’t try to reduce achievements and assets of an artist to only her sales and her Awards. (Celine got Awards over Mariah just because most of them are local and come from Canada,France and European countries.If these institutions would give awards to any international artist,Mariah would have as much or most than Celine as she got most Hits worldwide than Celine.Moreover,Mariah got much more major Awards than Celine). About certifications,there is no need for me to bring any here,as I used the ones posted by you in the Madonna or Mariah debate.It’s enough to prove that I really right when I said that Mariah Carey sold more albums worldwide than Celine. Lucky Luke 7 says: January 24, 2011 at 2:19 pm@ TRISH01.My Links are not contradictory ! The agree with theawards Mariah and Celine got ! Your so called”arguments” totally disagree with labels , IFPI ,BILLBOARD , Wikipedia , World Music Awards and this iswhy you desperately trying to take them ALL down !02. billboard.com/column-chartbeat/20-20-vision-mariah-marks-milestone-1004094895.story#/column-chartbeat/20-20-vision-mariah-marks-milestone-1004094895.story03. usatoday.com/printedition/life/20110106/musicsalesinside06_st.art.htmThese are BILLOARD Facts ! The second on isupdated… Open them ! what do you see ?According to these FACTS Mariah has sold 53m albums isUs and Celine 51m being right behind her in total albumsales since the Nielsen Soundscan era !Mariah has SOLD 53m but she takes cradit for SHIPPMENTSof 63m ! ALL her albums are OVERSHIPPED by her label !Remember the link I gave you from her OFFICIAL site ?It mentioned Daydream sold almost 8m in Us , yet aseverybody knows it is certified 10 times platinum ,indicating shippments of 10m !On the other hand as it is PROVED Celine has sold 51mwhile her certifications are at THE EXACT SAME LEVEL !Cause you already said it Celine is certified for 50msales in Us !So you can easily understand why TEOM sold 6m in Us (THEMOST) and barely 1m in Europe !While Celine’s ”A New Day Has Come” sold 3.5m in eachmarket ! It could recieve a 5 platinum certificationin these markets if her name was ”Mariah” ! lolCause BUTTERFLY has sold 3.5m in Us but is certified5 times platinum ! Her MUSIC BOX album has sold 7.7mand is certified 10m copies !The only overcertified album Celine has is”The Colour Of My Love” that sold 4.6m in Us andtakes is certified 6 times platinum !04.On skills : Many people think Mariah’s lyrics aretotal trash , so don’t try to say everyone recognizesher talent ! Same goes for Celine’s songs or her vocals !If you ask me , I think Celine has a better voice butI won’t insist on this causeI AM NOT FIFTEEN YEARS OLD ! Got that ?Now move on !05. Mariah sold 64m in Us , 25m in Europe , 5m in Canada, 35m In Asia and 3m In Australia -> 133mCeline sold 52m in Us , 56m iN Europe , 15m in Canada ,20m In Asia (Like you said before ;-) ) and 3m In Australia—> 146m !Plus she is the best selling female artist of all time inAfrica ! No wonder she is ahead…06.Instead of defending why don’t you attack me withfacts that prove Mariah is ahead ? … just for achange…07.You say ”all RIAA and IFPI certifications aboutCeline and Mariah prove that Mariah is ahead of Celineon albums ” …Uhmm how’s that ? Celine got two IFPI record for hersales and Mariah got 0 ! lol ! The 13m difference ofSHIPPMENTS they have in Us is easily covered by thedifference they have in Europe (Over 30m albums) !08.Stop trashing on Celine and bring some actual factscause the game ”Lucky Luke brings links and Trishcalls them partial” is really boring ! lmao TRISH says: January 25, 2011 at 11:02 am@ Lucky Luke.You brought 47 links here,not 47 convincing arguments nor facts.You also gave many Datas sales certifications according to RIAA and IFPI and they deny your “ 47 links”.So,either your “47 links “ are contradictory either they are partial and subjective .As all RIAA and IFPI certifications about Celine and Mariah prove that Mariah is ahead Celine on record sales worldwide.For example how an album certified 3 times platinum by IFPI and 3 times platinum by RIAA could ever surpass another who is certified 6 times platinum by RIAA and 1 time platinum by IFPI ??? Idem for all other Certification sales about Mariah and Celine according to RIAA,IFPI and their respective sales in the rest of the world.Mariah is ahead Celine on albums sales. About Skills,they are not subjective at all.They stay facts.Is this subjective to say that Michael Jacson was a better dancer than Michael Bolton ? Is this subjective to say that Beyonce got a better voice than Lady Gaga ?Is this subjective to say that Madonna is a better dancer than Celine Dion ? No they are Facts,not subjectivities.This is not subjective to say that Mariah got a better voice than Celine. -Facts: Mariah Carey write,compose,produce,arrange her own songs and also for other artists. Celine doesn’t.This is not your opinion,but a fact . -Fact: Carey’s vocal style and singing ability has significantly impacted popular and contemporary music. Music critic G. Brown from The Denver Post wrote, “For better or worse, Mariah Carey’s five-octave range and melismatic style have influenced a generation of pop singers.” According to Rolling Stone, “Her mastery of melisma, the fluttering strings of notes that decorate songs like “Vision of Love,” inspired the entire American Idol vocal school, for better or worse, and virtually every other female R&B singer since the Nineties.” Beyoncé Knowles credits Carey’s singing Mariah influence so many artists by her sing style and her voice . (Beyonce,Christina,Kelly,Jessica,Rihanna,Backstreet Boys,Nsync,etc…). This is not your opinion at all,but a fact. -Carey is also credited for introducing R&B and hip-hop into mainstream pop culture,and for popularizing rap as a featuring act through her post-1995 songs.This is a fact,not an opinion. -Mariah’s full 5 otave vocal range is a fact,not an opinion.Everyone heard of it through her songs. -Facts: Mariah got a most beautiful,powerful ,flexible,silky and technical voice than Celine.It’s proved by all Mariah’s songs like,Emotions,Melt Away,Lookin’ in,Against All Odds,Oh Santa,Fourth Of July,My Saving Grace,etc…every musical experts like Simon Cowell recognize it.Artists like:Kelly Clarkson,Christina Aguilera,etc…Medias: Guinness World Records,Blender Magazine,MTV Countdown , online polls,objective music fans,etc…agree with it.So don’t try to say that it’s subjective in the same way it’s would not subjective to say that Celine got a better voice than Cher or Britney Spears).Is this subjective to say that Britney spears or Lady Gaga don’t have better voice than Christina Aguilera and Leona Lewis ? No,obviously. Awards can be subjective when they doesn’t honored a real achievement or skill from an artist.But facts stay facts,either they are awarded or not awarded. So,don’t try to reduce achievements and assets of an artist to only her sales and her Awards. (Celine got major Awards/distinctions over Mariah only since 2004 .Most of Celine’s awards are local awards,cause they doesn’t honor any international artists unlike Mariah’s).Mariah would even have more awards than Celine as Mariah is more talentuous and have more musical/professional assets than Celine .Celine can just sing. About certifications,there is no need for me to bring any here,as I used the ones posted by you in the Madonna or Mariah debate.It’s enough to prove that I really right when I said that Mariah Carey sold more albums worldwide than Celine. Lucky Luke 7 says: January 25, 2011 at 2:32 pm@ TRISHWhy do you repost ? My Answer is still POST 90 !Check the links with an open mind and face reality as itis. Lucky Luke 7 says: January 26, 2011 at 3:28 pm@ TRISHYou wrote Mariah has 81 number 1s ? How’s that ?She has only released 67 singles ! ouch !Don’t mention the word contradictory again ;-)You are totally ignorant to talk about sales. Lucky Luke 7 says: January 26, 2011 at 10:18 pm01. Everything you posted on Mariah’s voice andcontribution are 100 percent RIGHT and well-sourced.Gongrats on this. See ? when there are links you aremore than happy to mention them…(cove magazine etc)This will never happen with Mariah’s sales you post ofcourse because there are not such links !02.Voice is something so subjective ! They are twoaspects in each topic.Mariah has recieved bad reviews for her singing frommusic critics and fans alike during her Rainbow Tour.Plus Mariah , unlike Celine , has two of her Studioalbums being panned for her breathy , week vocals.One of them is Charmbracelet.allmusic.com/album/charmbracelet-r617273/reviewSo if Mariah has more records praising her voice , shedefinitely has more bad reviews (album & tours) abouther voice.Do these prove Mariah is worse than Celine ?Answer : NO.03.Both Celine and Mariah have sang ”O Holy Night” .I think Celine’s version is better. You think Mariah’sversion is better. Celine’s version was voted as thebest version of the song ! (I will find a link on this)Does this mean Celine is better , cause she ”owns”Mariah in the one and only common song of their careers ?ANSWER : No04.Celine has been praised for her vocals by musiccritics and singers such as Lara Fabian , LuccianoPavarotti , Andrea Bocelli , Josh Groban , Il Divo ,Barbra Streisand ! All of them apparently not onlycollaborated with her but also have much stronger voicesthan Rihanna , Beyonce , Aguilera etc etc !Still this doesn’t prove Celine is better than Mariah !05.Of course it a fact that MJ Dances better thanM.Bolton cause M.Bolton doesn’t dance ! As far as weknow both Mariah and Celine are great singers sotheir ”difference” in skills can’t be THAT huge likeJackson’s compared to Bolton’s dancing skills !06.Undeniable facts on their voices is the fact thatMariah uses the whistle register and melismatic stylewhile Celine is a stronger belter.07.All Mariah songs you mentioned prove Mariah isflexible but as you probably know Celine is flexble aswell…Le blues du businessman , Sorry for love ,I Surrender , Naked , Seduces Me , The First Time EverI Saw Your Face , It’s a man’s world , Show Must Go On, The Prayer ! All different types of songs , differentstyles , different emotions.RESULT —> Voice is SUBJECTIVE cause as you see notonly fans but even music critics have different opinions.If you still disagree keep your opinion for yourself anddon’t insist on this anymore !08.On Skills. I have told you before Mariah is a bettersongwriter , producer. Celine is a better performer.Better performer means -> she has better stage presence ,she has a better connection with the crowd , she knowshow to dance/move in an elegant way.Plus Celine is a better interpreter , proved bysignificant albums such as ”Dion Chante Plamondon” ,”Miracle” and ”D’Elles” !09.I disagree to what you said ”Celine just sings” !The fact that she writes lyrics less often than Mariah,and that she takes smaller part to the production of heralbums than Mariah doesn’t mean that Celine”JUST SINGS” !I have to say this ”sounds” like a hater comment.I would never say ”Mariah doesn’t tour” becauseCeline tours more often ! I would never say”Mariah has 0 stage presence” because Celine isfeels cool and calm on stage !!There is no need to be cmpetitive on skills..!10.Contribution -> All you said about Mariah’scontribution is right ! But lets not forgetCeline’s contribution to AC Music , to French culture ,her awards for her contribution and finally and mostimportant the fact that she has helped countlessyoung artists to begin/boost their career !!Examples -> Garou , Delta Goodrem , Josh Groban ,Il Divo , Charice , Marc Dupre , Nathalie Nechtscheinto mention a few !I am not saying all this to prove Celine is betterbut just to show you everyone has a different opinionfor such amazingly talented people like Mariah andCeline.11.It is more interesting chating with you for skills etccause you really know many things you can actually proveunlike our endless fights on sales ! cause thereyou support theories you can’t even prove and thisis why you avoid posting links,sth you did about Mariahsskills..!12.On Sales now…The lie you mentioned about 81 number 1’s is reallyout of this world ! lol !I Told to be careful and you keep posting lie after lie.You call me a liar because of differences of 1 or 2mcopies in some albums.How should I call you when you come here to saythat All I Want For Xmas is you sold over 20m copies ?How should I call you when you say Glitter sold 5mcopies,which is more than Taking Chances , despite thefact that Taking Chances outsold Glitter In Europe ,Africa , Canada , Australia , while being equal in Us..!13.The only weapons you have is a millenium award(11 years AGO) and Chopard Diamond Award in 2003..! Andof course when it comes to Celine you say her awards areirrelevant.Mariah got the Diamond award in 2003 for album sales of150m and since she sold almost 20m albums more.So her total since 1990 comes to 170m albums.Links that PROVE Mariah got her award For 150 millionalbum salesback in 2003 -> Mariahcarey.com/news/awards.php—> Mariahcarey.com/news/awards.phpThese Two links are from MARIAH’S OFFICIAL SITES !—> celebrity9.com/mariahcarey/biography.htmlCeline got the Diamond Award in 2004 for sales over 175million albumsProof -> canada.com/topics/news/story.html?id=90da7aa0 -f97e-4bc1-9985-1fb521cf0d5e&k=20045–> ctv.ca/CTVNews/Entertainment/20040914/dion_award040914/Plus Check her Official site as well.Celine —> 190m albums & 50m singles since 1990Mariah —> 170m albums & 60m singles since 1990Celine suprasses her in total sales and this is why theindustry and media give Celine the title of the bestseller of the last 20 years. so simple.13.In addition to awards / media / IFPI Records etcCeline sells out huge stadiums around the globe andsells millions of dvds.As of 2010 Mariah has 4 consecutive flops.(not only lowsellers-but FLOPS) Her new Xmas album barely sold 500k.She doesn’t tour that much. She wasn’t great at thiseven at her prime time.She doesn’t sell DVDs as Celine.Her album sales are even small In Us and Japannowadays.I won’t even talk about Canada and Europe.As of 2010 Celine’s future seems so bright in theindustry with all these certifications her latestalbums got. (D’Elles , Taking Chances , My Love)After the 2nd highest grossing tour ever & after her2010 DVDs sales that combined reached the 1m mark. Hernew Vegas Show is already sold out.She is stable seller,unlike Mariah,worldwide and shealready passed the ”ageism” test in Us cause shemanaged to reach platinum (album and DVD sales) andsold out all arenas , while being over 40 years old !You can’t be subjective when it comes to sales.Mariah sold less than Celine worldwide and this is whyshe (combine what I’m gonna write) 01.Has less recentawards 02.there is no huge crowd demanding for herperfomances03.media never give her the title of the best sellerthe last 5 years 04.she has no IFPI awards05.she flopped so many times during this decade.06.She appears in NO lists of best sellers during the 00sThis is just contradictory..!07.And most of all , as you have proved many times,there is not even ONE link in WHOLE internet provingshe is ahead of Mrs Celine Dion. Mariah4ever! says: January 27, 2011 at 10:39 amYes,Mariah got 81 number 1 Hits worldwide,not 81 different singles reached # 1 status idiot,inform yourself about number 1 hits worldwide.Celine Dion doesn’t sing beside Mariah Carey,she’s a great vocalist beside artist like Cher,Britney Spears and Lady Gaga.Even Beyonce,Leona and Christina have a better voice than Celine.Celine got only power,nothing else.Do Celine fans could talk about melismas or low notes for Celine? Do Celine got even one melismatic or soulful song ???Celine is in the same level than Barbra.Aretha is too much skillfull on soulfull melismas to be compare with Celine.Come on,Celine doesn’t deserve to be compare on voice with incredible vocalists as Mary J Blige,Toni Braxton,…WHITNEY HOUSTON, MARIAH CAREY !!!! About sales,your lies can’t change nothing on the fact that Mariah sold more albums worldwide than Celine ! Lucky Luke 7 says: January 27, 2011 at 3:54 pmI Don’t care about your opinion :)I Never lied…Stick to the fact that according to MariahOfficial Site and World Music Awards (combine these two)Mariah had sold 150m albums since 2003.If you think you are going to upset me by postinggeneric sentences ”Mariah sold more” , ”Celine can’tcompete with her” etc , you are seriously misled ,like Celine would say. xD Lucky Luke 7 says: January 27, 2011 at 6:37 pmPS : I don’t know why you mention melismas ! lmao ! didI say anything on melismas ? I only said Mariah excellswhen it comes to melismatic singing and then you comehere to say Celine is as good as Britney !Jesus ! What a funny hating comment xD Lucky Luke 7 says: January 29, 2011 at 3:26 am01.MARIAH CAREY 9m Us , 1m Europe , 1m Japan , 700kCanada, 150k Australia —> Almost 12m —> 18mWorldwide.02.EMOTIONS 4m Us , 1m Europe , 1m Japan , 400k Canada ,70k Australia —> 6.5m —> 9m Worldiwde03.MUSIC BOX 10m Us , 7m Europe , 2m Japan , 700k Canada1m Austrlia —> 21m —> 30m Worldwide04.MERRY XMAS 5m Us , 1m Eur , 2.5m Japan , 350k Austr ,100k Canada , 300k –> 9m —> 14m05.DAYDREAM 10m Us , 3m Europe , 2m Japan , 700k Canada ,700k Australia —> 16.5m —> 25m Worldwide06.BUTTERFLY 5m Us , 1m Europe , 1m Japan , 300k Canada ,150k Australia —> 7.5m —> 12m Worldwide07.NUMBER 1S 5m Us , 2m Europe , 3m Japan , 300k Canada ,70k Australia —> Almost 11m —> 17m Worldwide08.RAINBOW —> 3m Us , 2m Europe , 1m Japan , 200k Can ,Australia 35k —> 6.5m —> 10m Worldwide09.GLITTER —> 1m Us , – Europe , – Canada , 200k Japan—> Worldwide 3m10.CHARMBRACELET —> Same as Glitter 3m11.GREATEST HITS —> Same as Gliter 3m12.The Emancipation Of Mimi –> 6m Us , 1m Eur , 300k Can200k Japan , 70k Austrlia —> 7.5m —> 11m13.E=MC2 —> 1m Us —> 3m Worldwide14.Memoirs Of An Imperfect Angel—> Gold Us —> 1mWorldwide15.Merry Xmas To You —> Gold Us —> 700k Worldwide& 6m MTV Live & 500k Ballads & 1m Remixies & 300kPlaylist and Valentines. Mariah4ever ! says: January 30, 2011 at 9:23 amTo Lucky Luke: Why not compare Britney’s voice to Celine’s ? Just because Celine screams in her songs and Britney doesn’t ? This is a hating comment to compare Mariah’s voice to Celine’s.This a hating comment to compare Celine’s O Holy Night to Mariah’s ! All that you said about sales are LIES ! TRISH says: January 30, 2011 at 9:32 am@ Lucky Luke Use your brain,ignorant.Mariah has 81 number 1 hits worldwide , with 23 different singles. What a retarded mind you are ! Idiot ! Madonna has 45 # 1 worldwide with one single : Hung Up. See ? More than all Celine’s # 1 hits in the world with her 22 most successful singles ( Celine got 43 # 1 hits with 22 different singles ) .So with one single ,Madonna surpass Celine on amount of # 1 hits worldwide.Now you understand why Mariah Carey doesn’t have the need to release 81 different singles for totalizing 81 # 1 hits in the world ? So you see that the only ignorant here is you ! -You said that I will never give sources for Mariah’s sales that I post unlike what I did for her voice ,but it’s not my fault ,it’s rather the fault of subjective and partial institutions which destroy their own credibility when they lie about sales of some artists and are unable to prove them.Some of these so-called prestigious institutions had prove that they lied many times in their sale statements and estimations, some others are still unable to prove the sales that they claim for some artists and can’t even show detailed datas proving their claims.So these institutions are doubtful , and I can’t refer my arguments to doubtful sources,sorry.That’s why I don’t trust most of these source and don’t give them for Mariah’s sales.I refer my arguments to non-interpreted datas , separated and free datas from interpretations. Unlike sales ,anyone can lie about the vocal abilities of an artist . Vocal qualities and abilities can’t be biased and falsified,nor talent and musical skills since they are obvious to everyone .Sales are expressed by numbers and numbers can be changed .Sales estimations can be exaggerated,falsified and subjective or being simply wrong ( that’s why there is institutions who had made huge gap surpassing 100 million album sales ).So yes,statements on vocal abilities and talent can be more reliable than sales statements.So I am more than happy to mention them.About critics on vocals,First : Mariah Carey is considered as the ultimate voice,that’s rightly why Medias and the musical industry usually call her The Voice.Everyone already know that she surpass other female artists on vocal qualities & abilities.Polls and expert’s opinion also support it as Mariah tops all the lists of best voices worldwide unlike Celine which never top any kind of these lists .There is huge difference between Mariah’s voice and Celine’s ( for example,Celine is ranked 9th better voice while Mariah is ranked 1rst ).So, vocally Celine is far behind Mariah.Therefore ,even if Mariah has many bad reviews doesn’t mean other voices equal hers on qualities and capabilities. The critics concern only the artist in the work that they make their statements .For example ,Mariah’s bad reviews for her singing during a tour or in an album never mean that her voice became worse than Celine or Beyonce respective voices when Celine and Beyonce receive good reviews for their respective Tours/albums.Critics judge the vocal performances of artists in accordance with their own vocal potential /skills,not comparatively to other artists.Mariah’s vocal potential is bigger than Celine’s,Beyonce’s,Mary j Blige’s,etc…and much more bigger than Cher’s or Britney’s .Sometimes ,Mariah had receive negative reviews relatively to her extraordinary and unique vocal potential which is superior to any other female artists.Mariah’s vocal potential is superior to Celine’s,that’s why critics are particulary severe with Mariah.She receive bad reviews from critics,cause the critics know that she use rarely her entire vocal potential and her best ,and waste it unlike Celine and many other artists which receive good reviews.Indeed,Celine always do her best to show the power and the volume of her voice ( which are the essential qualities of Celine’s voice,for not saying the only merit of her voice, cause her voice is poor beside Mariah’s voice though it’s much more rich than average female voices ) by belting loudly in Pop songs.Most of Mariah’s negative reviews from critics are due to the musical style Mariah chose to sing ( hip-hop,R&B,etc…) cause these musical genres hide Mariah’s vocal qualities and doesn’t bring out her vocal extraordinary capabilities ( power,volume,loudness,flexibility,etc…). However,when Mariah sing Pop songs,she shows that her voice had an endless list of qualities,skills and abilities that Celine’s voice haven’t.For example,for Touch My Body,some critics ( negative ) reproached Mariah to do not showing her vocal power and her” legendary full 5 octave ranges “ ( the words of the critics ) through this song That’s why critics call some of these vocal performances weak sometimes.Besides,don’t confound when Mariah is nervous sometimes on stage that make her sing breathy with Celine’s natural nasal voice wether she’s on studio or on stage,there is a huge difference on this.And Celine’s nasal voice damage her songs much more than Mariah’s rare breathy vocal performances on stage.Everyone know Mariah have a much better technical voice than Celine.Critics put Mariah’s vocal standards higher than Celine’s cause Mariah’s voice is much more rich than Celine’s and it got not just volume and power unlike Celine’s voice. About the respective versions of Mariah’s and Celine’s O Holy Night, Mariah’s version is undeniably the best version by far !Mariah’s O Holy is also much more popular worldwide than the Celine’s version,and is considered as the best version ever of this song.It was even a Christmas hit in the Caribbean and someparts else worldwide unlike Celine’s.There is also many wide-range voice female vocalists which had perform Mariah’s version of O Holy Night ,unlike Celine’s (which is too average and too predictable obviously ).Rachelle Ferell,Nina ( a philipian singer) … and many many other artists ,and also Michael Bolton ! In his Christmas album “ This is A Time”,Michael Bolton sang Mariah’s version of O Holy Night ( with the same music sample including the same background vocals,etc…).So yes,Mariah’s version of O Holy Night is better than Celine’s by very far . Now in my opinion,Mariah’s O Holy Night is the best Christmas rendition ever,so I don’t even compare it to Celine’s version.Celine’s version is very average ,too common and not really different to all other renditions of this song.Its also very predictable and too regular .Celine just insert the word “ Noël “ in the place of “ o night divine “,nothing else.And at the end Celine just emit a long and straight belting with the word “Noel “,which is not a particular sing asset.Maybe it’s brilliant beside some other renditions of this song but next to Mariah’s rendition,not at all !!!!!Mariah’s O Holy Night beat Celine’s at 100 % !Mariah’s version is absolutely amazing and very different to all other versions .She made many skillful changes in the verses and sang it with her unique virtuosity.Her version is also abundant on emotions and gives chills.Same goes for their respective versions of The Star Spangled Banner and O Come all Ye Faithfull,that I even not have the need to comment.Everyone with healthy ears and good sense of art will agree that Mariah’s renditions are by far much better than Celine’s. You said Celine has been praised for her vocals by music critics and singers such as Lara Fabian,Luciano Pavarotti,Josh Groban,etc… and then ? That’s proves nothing. What is the connection with Mariah Carey ? They haven’t compared her voice with Mariah’s in their statements.Do you mean that the fact by which those artists express admiration for Celine’s voice means Celine’s voice is as good as Mariah’s ? I dare think that this is not what you mean.Could we ever name the endless list of artists whom express admiration for Mariah’s very extraordinary voice ,her multiple musical assets and her particular talent ? No ,we couldn’t.So Mariah is better on this. About vocal flexibility,you just mention some Blues /Jazz songs from Celine, that doesn’t prove anything about a particular vocal flexibility of Celine.I used to listen these Celine’s songs,her vocals is averagely flexible in them ( like other’s blues,jazz and Soul songs from any skilful vocalist : Barbra Streisand,Aretha Franklin,Patti Labelle,Christina Aguilera ,etc…).So no,Celine’s level of vocal flexibility can’t match with Mariah’s exceptional and extraordinarily vocal flexibility ! There is a very great difference among them that is more than obvious. Maybe Celine Dion’s voice is flexible ( obviously as such a singer and even better as such a vocalist )but admit it or not ,Mariah’s voice is much more flexible.Mariah’s voice is extraordinarily elastic and stretchable ,unlike all other female voices including Celine Dion’s.Celine’s vocal flexibility is just good but Mariah’s sounds super-human ! I also have to notice that Whitney Houston’s voice is much more flexible than Celine’s too,although Whitney can’t compete with Mariah in vocal flexibility.Moreover ,This is not me nor you who can prove this but their respective songs ! So,you see your reasoning is wrong.About vocal strength, Mariah’s voice beat Celine’s by far ! Name me a Celine’s song proving that her voice could really beat Mariah’s on strength and power,I’ll name you many of Mariah’s beating the ones you would cite for Celine .Celine strongest vocal note is in the song All By Myself ( just the word ANYMORE ) which is not impressive beside Mariah’s strongest notes. And there is so many other artists which had reach that note so many times .Whitney Houston surpasses Celine’s strongest vocal notes in many of her songs.However,how many artists could ever reach Mariah’s strongest vocal notes ? No one. Lucky Luke,Mariah’s voice is very special unlike Celine’s,don’t try to deny it since it’s obvious for everyone.It’s a hating comment talking about Celine’s talent ( producting,writing,composing,arranging skills ) beside Mariah’s ! Celine is the less involved female artist in her music whereas Mariah is the most involved female artist ! Celine,even can’t be compared with Madonna,Whitney,Britney,Janet, Cgristina Aguilera etc…on musical skills,cause all these women take part in their respective songs unlike Celine.However,Mariah surpass all these women as she give more than 90 % of her musical material ) Celine is involved in her songs at …3 % ? ).So,this is useless to compare Celine with Mariah on those points. About interpretation,Celine is light years behind Mariah on this.Just compare their respective version of O Holy Night,The Star Spangler Banner,O Come All Ye Faithfull and you’ll see the huge difference by which Mariah beat Celine. -About dance skills,you make everyone laugh ,because you confound comedic moves with dance.You can talk about dance for Madonna,Janet,Beyonce,etc… But Celine? Hahaha! This is so ridiculous ! Dear Lucky Luke,Celine never dance,you just confound comedic moves with dance.Celine make comedic moves on stage while Mariah make sexy moves.Can we just imagine Celine making sexy moves ? It would be very weird .No,she just can make comedic moves and pull faceswhich really amaze people…Lol ! I recognize that Celine got much more success with her Comedic moves and her pull faces on stage than Mariah with her sexy moves and dance.But about dance,Mariah is a very great dancer beside Celine. About sales,I already proved in the Blog Mariah or Madonna that Mariah beat Celine with respectable advantage. So Mariah is a better artist than Celine in all means ! Mariah Carey is the undeniable winner ! Lucky Luke 7 says: January 30, 2011 at 11:41 pm@ TRISHMARIAH CAREYOFFICIAL SITEmariahcarey.com/news/awards.phpLABELnme.com/artists/mariah-careyBIOGRAPHYcelebrity9.com/mariah-carey/biography.html\All lead to the same direction -> 150m albums since 2003.Any proof at all she sold 170m albums by then ? NOIf you can’t trust any source you are provided withcause they are not ”reliable”how can I be persuaded byyou and your pointless comments ?What are you doing here ? Trying to proveto people Mariah sold more than Celine without usingany solid fact ? Well if all links that put your fakearguments to shame can’t do this , you can at leastimagine how pointless your ”blah blah” seems to me.END OF STORY !On Skills , I am not answering to a person that believessings as good as Britney. Take this back and we talkagain on this !!On Sales ,YOU CALLED ME CONTRADICTORY BECAUSE YOU DISAGREED WITHMY SALES AT 1m or 3m FROM EACH CELINE AND MARIAH ALBUM.NOW SEE THIS :You said Mariah has sold 50m albums in Asia and Celine20m albums there.You also said Mariah sold 64m albums in Us and Celine51m albums there.You also said Mariah sold 25m albums in Europe and Celine55m. (IFPI Award In 2003)In Australia I Proved they are neck by neck with Celinebeing ahead for 200k , she has 35 platinumcertifications there and Mariah 32k but all in thisdifference is irrelevant so let’s say they are equal.In Canada Celine sold 15m copies and Mariah 5m and don’teven dare to challenge that !Celine holds the title of the best seller of all timein Afirca with 3m albums sold in SOUTH Africa alone.She has also suprassed Mariah in North America. But let’sleave these markets out of the game.SOYou have 50m & 64m & 25m & 5m & 3m -> 147m for MariahAnd 20m & 51m & 55m & 15m & 3m -> 144m for Celineaccording to you !And then you come here to say that Mariah sold 200mworldwide and Celine 160m – 170m albums !You bring their difference to 30-40m albums while the”facts” YOU brought show their difference stands at3m or let’s say at 10m if you still believe Mariahsold more in Australia or N.America etc ! Still thisfigure is way ahead the 30-40m difference you posted.WHAT A FU**ING CONTRADICTORY HATER ! DISMISSED !If IFPI and BILLBOARD are unreliable how should we callyou ? ? ?On the number 1s parody I make no comment …Oh Yeah ! And breeding and education are proved bythe way you seem to respect all people no mattertheir choices ! Education is proved by not usingwords ”slut” , ”ass” , ”mother fu**er” ,”pervert” and all the other things you said.Besides , you keep talking about Mariah and it isobvious that her music hasn’t taught you the way itshould ! Cause You should be spreading love andpositivity like a real Mariah or Celine fan would do andnot insulting singers and people in debates ! And if youthink you are above all Madonna’s fans ( that shouldn’tjudge you like YOU said )… well… stay thereand don’t ”drop” yourself to their level , cause youare always the first one to insult with horriblevocabulary only men living in the street use !!Such a shame ! Lucky Luke 7 says: February 1, 2011 at 8:01 am01.VOICECeline Dion has recorded 23 studio albums and 6Live albums during her career while Mariah has recorded13 studio albums and 1 live album ! PlusCeline’s albums consist of more songs.Celine has toured to promote her albums since she wasnot even an adult resulting to a massive number of atleast 1.545 concerts ! Mariah has performed at like 180concerts lasting about an hour each while Celine’sshows last almost 2 hours !After these facts no need to prove who has the mostrestful voice.I really don’t know what makes you so defensive. I saidMariah hits whistle notes like nobody else and that sheexcels in melsimatic singing as well.When it comes to belting , volume and full voice sorrybut she didn’t hold a candle next to Celine even at herprime time !There are only a few songs during Mariah’s career whereshe belts -> Without You , Forever , Never Too Far ,Butterfly , Lead The Way …Plus how many LIVE performances are saved from these songs? ? ? 1 ? 2 ? 0 ?Celine Dion not only belts out songs effortlessly butshe also sings them live ! I can bring you at least10 LIVE performances of All By Myself , My Heart Will GoOn , Think Twice , The Power Of Love (Before 1997 whenit was really live) and so on…Mariah always do the same tricks to her songs.A little bit breathy , a little bit melisma , a gospelchoir and a whistle note at the end ! well…this is morea lesson of decorating a song than Pure singing..!Put Mariah and Celine to use their full voices andCeline wins , not only in studio recordings but alsolive.Moreover,Mariah gets a bad reviews (something thatnever happened to Celine , 31 years now !!) when shedoesn’t sing to the level she should like you saidbut other times it is really because she sucks ! notjust for her level , but for Rihanna level !Studio recordings such as ”through the rain” arereally weak vocally. ”bringing on the heartbreak” –a good cover – was only saved by the whistle notestowards the end of the song.There are at least 5 bad performances of Mariah thelast 3 years that come to my mid, while I can’t think ofany bad singing for Celine…except for her liveperformance of Taking Chances at UK / X Factor when shewas sick.Everyone says Mariah’s voice became worse during theDaydream era…And people think Celine’s voice becametoo nasal after Vegas , which is true..!Celine has a more classically influenced voice , whileMariah’s voice is soulful !Mariah is more flexible cause she could sing a pop,soul,jazz song in 3 different ways.But Celine is more flexible when it comes to type ofsongs..!She can sing songs from classical music (The Prayer ,I Knew I Loved You , I Hate You Then I Love You etc)to rock music (Show Must Go On , Where Does My HeartBeat Now) , from bluesy songs ( Tous Les Blues SontEcrites Pour Toi , Les Uns Contre Les Autres) toimitation of live musical instruments (Le Ballet Live) !Could you imagine Mariah singing next to a tenor ? NOShe doesn’t have the proper voice to do so…Her Adeste Fideles Version is by far THE WORST trackon her latest album ! Her voice doesn’t mix at allwith her mothers , who apparently sounds like a manat high notes..! You hear an old lady screamingand Mariah doing whistle notes ! Jesus !There are much better songs in this album , that atlast proved Mariah is back at the ”vocal” game afterthe disappointing E=MC2 and Memoirs that were fullof EASY radio friendly songs to sing !Finally,don’t bring up again any magazine lists becausethey are fan made ! LOL ! Us people would logicallyvote for Mariah…Plus 3 or 7 places down doesn’t meanthat much.So according to my opinion , Celine has stronger volume ,is a better belter , Mariah has powerful whistle notes ,much better melismatic style while they are bothflexible…!BUT at the end of the day I insist it really stupidcomparing a woman that has overused her voice not onlyin studio albums but also in touring to a womanthat is basically a studio artist with a restful voice.02.DANCE… Comedian moves ? YOU ARE A HATER !Celine dances perfectly for an AC Singer…Don’tcompare her with Madonna cause Madonna is a mainstreamsinger and her shows are based on dancing !Check performances of Refuse to dance , eyes on me ,river deep mountain high to see that Celine moveswith an elegant way on stage !The comedian moves and facial expressions are usedwhen she just wants to have fun with her fans…!Don’t mix these two just to make a point !When Celine dances she dances , when she wants to beclumsy she is clumsy , when she wants to make youget emotional , she will probably make you cry !!!She is 100 times better on stage than Mariahnot only because she can’t dance but furthermore becauseMariah moves in a weird / awkward way while singing.Mariah HAS NOT GOT STAGE FRIGHT ISSUES !She got over them long ago…how could anyone sayMariah has stage issues when she appeared half nakedduring her TEOM concerts… Boobs out , Legs out ,and she had a great fun time singing up tempo-happysongs such us ”its like that” , ”shake it off”..!SONGWRITINGOn songwriting/producing skills for the 3rd time Iwill say that Mariah is better ! Don’t repeat anythingon this please !I just act in defensive way because Celine is notuseless at songwriting etc like haters keep babbling.CONTRIBUTIONThey are equal here ! Mariah is a great example ofsinging for rnb mainstream artists like Beyonce, Rihannaetc…Celine is a standard for AC artists.Mariah has influenced hip-hop artists in Us like yousaid.Celine’s influence is shown in Europe and of courseher impact in French singing / culture is incomparable.So they are both great.Now go on and attack to Celine saying Mariah isbetter in everything ! LOL.For Me…Voice : Equal , Stage Skills : Celine ,Songwriting : Mariah , Contribution : Equal !You are a good debater at skills…In sales you stillsuck xD Mariah4ever ! says: February 2, 2011 at 9:11 amBritney Spears’s voice is as flexible as Celine’s ,she proves it in many of her songs,like I’m Not A Girl .Britney just treasures her voice and doesn’t belt unlike Celine.Moreover,Her voice is much more beautiful than Celine since it’s not nasal .Britney also releases more emotions in her songs than Celine.So,no Celine’s voice is not better than Britney’s. About dance skills,Celine is in the same league than Susan Boyle .Britney is in the league of greatest dancers like Madonna,Beyonce,Rihanna,etc…Britney kills Celine on dance songs .Celine even hadn’t any dance song who was a hit anywhere worldwide.She’s so clumsy on dance songs !Mariah had an endless amount ! Britney Spears beat Celine on sales . She’s already ahead Celine on singles sales . About album sales, Britney is neck on neck with Celine.Britney is the best selling female artist of this decade,while Celine is …20th best selling .Mariah Carey is the best selling artist overall for the 1990 ( the most successful decade ) decade ,then of all times .So Mariah is ahead all of them . MOFF says: February 2, 2011 at 11:08 am1. Madonna is ahead all of them.2. Celine has a better voice than Britney – so tell me why Britney always used Playback, Celine didnt. Could Britney sing My heart will go on ? Its all coming back to me now ?3. Celine has sold more albums, than Britney.Its proved.tzt zt tzt .. Lucky Luke 7 says: February 2, 2011 at 12:19 pm@ MariahCareyFanYou once again fail to uspet me :P You’re just gonnaburn in hell for this post ! lol !@ Moff … Thanx…Now it is kinda funny dealing withuneducated trolls. Momo says: February 4, 2011 at 8:51 amMoff,Mariah’s voice is better than Celine’s because Celine can’t sing Mariah’s songs like Emotions,Melt Away,Bliss,Mine Again,Anytime You Need A Friend,You’re So Cold,We Belong Together,Fly Like A Bird ,Fourth Of July,Circles,Loverboy,Fantasy,I’ll Be Lovin’ You Longtime,etc… Lucky Luke 7 says: February 4, 2011 at 10:42 am@ Momo…I respect your opinion :) I bet you do the same aboutmine ;-)I am not surprised or upset when I hear people sayingthey prefer Mariah over Celine or the opposite.It’s ok…But I have to comment on your argument cause itlacks music knowledge…You say Celine can’t sing I’ll Be Loving You Long Timefor instence ! … Uhmm…why ? what is so difficultwith this song ? It is easy and radio friendly.Loverboy ? Fantasy ? ts ts…I could go on just like you to say Mariah could neversing The Prayer , or rock with Show Must Go On butI won’t … this hating fight has got to end..!Like them but most of all respect these artists ;-) Momo says: February 5, 2011 at 9:48 amI adress my post to Moff,not to you. TRISH says: February 5, 2011 at 10:35 am@Lucky Luke:Momo is 100 % right,Celine can’t sing any of the songs that he cited for Mariah.Mariah can sing any Celine’s song,everyone know that ! .The fact that Mariah’s voice is most restful isn’t an excuse cause Celine’s voice hasn’t as much qualities/abilities to preserve unlike Mariah’s anyway. Do people take account of Whitney Houston’s personal struggles and her use of drugs and crack which destroy her legendary voice ,when they say that currently her voice isn’t good ? No.They simply claim that Whitney’s current voice is not good .No matter who among Celine and Mariah has the most restful voice,the question is who have the best voice and Mariah has the best voice.Moreover,Mariah’s voice was always better than Celine’s since her debut.At their respective best ,Mariah’s voice beat celine’s and at their respective worst ,Mariah’s voice still beat Celine’s . Celine’s vocal inferiority beside Mariah’s is natural and is not due to an overuse.Cause even at her very best days,Celine’s voice wasn’t as good as Mariah’s.So ,it’s pointless to base the vocal comparison on who has the most restful voice and bla blabla … Mariah ‘s voice was always better than Celine’s . About vocal strength ,volume and full voice,sorry but Mariah beat Celine on this ! Just cite some Celine songs showing the power and the strength of her voice over Mariah,I’ll cite to you the ones I know for Mariah and we’ll make a comparison. You just don’t understand what volume and vocal strength mean ! They are expressed not only on beltings ( which is the easiest way to show vocal strength and volume ),but also through the singing ( the harder way )! 1-vocal strength through belting : Mariah is better than Celine.There is a respectable amount of songs in which Mariah belts unlike what you say : Vision Of Love,Emotions , To Be Around You,Make It Happen,Never Forget You, Whenever You Call, I Still Believe,Never Too Far,Against All Odds ,Mine Again,Circles,O Holy Night, etc… Like I said in my preview post,Celine’s stronger note is her belting at the end of All By Myself .Celine even admit herself in her autobiography that she hurted and damaged her vocal cords when she had hit that note ! So she can’t go any higher nor stronger. At the other hand ,Mariah had reach that note effortlessly so many times ! Mariah said about her strongest vocal notes that she never realize when she had hit them on the studios ! She realize the considerable volume and strength of her vocal notes only when she listen them at the records.That’s why she said that she doesn’t know where her notes come from and that all she realized is that she just expressed what she felt when she sang and that she had just let her emotions manage her .Therefore,if Mariah would belt knowingly and conciensciously, her strongest vocal notes,they would surpass by very far any strong note from Celine or from any other vocalist .So Mariah’s voice is stronger. 2-Vocal strength /volume by singing ( the much harder way to show vocal strength ) : In almost all her songs,Mariah shows the strength and the volume of her voice not by belting but by singing very loudly and very highly many long verses ( sometimes the whole song ) : Emotions,Anytime You Need A Friend,Fly Like A Bird, If It’s Over,O Holy Night,Circles, Fantasy, To Be Around You,You’re So cold,Mine Again,Circles, Santa Claus Is Coming To Town, etc….Whereas I can cite only one Celine’s song in which Celine sang an entire verse very strongly like Mariah use to : Only One Road ( the final verse ). 3-unlike Celine ,Mariah can not only hit very high notes ( not the notes of whistle register ),but also to sing on highest notes like in the songs My saving Grace ( final verse ),Mine Again ( the whole song ),Emotions ( the whole song ),If It’s Over ( final verse ),Against All Odds ( final verse ) ,etc… Mariah Carey can sing very high notes unlike Celine,and is able to still very flexible on this. However,on her highest notes,Celine can’t be flexible,that’s why her highest notes are always straight and that she can’t sing on this level.About Mariah’s bad reviews,I already answer to this in the post 100.Mariah’s vocal potential is bigger than Celine’s so the critics are more severe with her than with other vocalists. Sayin that Mariah sucks sometimes even for Rihanna’s level is a hating comment. Maybe studio recordings such as Through The Rain are weak vocally ,but it’s only relatively to Mariah’s usual songs.Besides, the final verse of this song is very powerful vocally ,and bubbled of vocal flexibilities. And at least,Bringing On The Heartbreak was saved by the whistle notes towards its end.However ,Celine even have more songs which are weak vocally ,and that are not saved by nothing : studio recordings such as One Heart .Celine 2000’s albums are bubbled of weak vocal studio recordings. There are many bad VOCAL performances of Celine that come to my mind and that are saved by Celine’s improvisations ( thanking and congratulating the audience ,talking with the public,etc…) towards the public and her humorous tricks. It’s untrue, not everyone says that Mariah’s voice became worse after Daydream era ,only haters and ignorants .Indeed,they confound the new style sang by Mariah since 1997 ( R&B/hip-hop ) with vocal decline ! Nevertheless,there are many great vocal performances in Mariah’s R&B albums that even other great vocalists could ever match ( for example, Fourth Of July is a reference of vocal smoothness,silkyness,flexibility,grace,allure,elegance and femininity,My all ,Butterfly,Whenever You Call ,Fly Away provide the album on vocal strength,power and volume,etc… ).That’s also why many of these slanderous remarks claimed that Mariah’s voice was gone after 2005.Fortunatelly,Mariah’s latest Christmas album,which is constituted by pop songs ,refute all these lies. Celine is not more flexible than Mariah when it comes to type of songs ! Mariah can obviously sing songs from classical music since Celine can cause Mariah’s voice is multi-colored unlike Celine’s .Mariah just doesn’t exploit this side of her voice .This is Celine’s voice which is border to certain type of songs,not Mariah’s ! Celine’s voice is poor beside Mariah’s ,that’s why she could sing all type of songs Mariah could .There is any kind of song Celine sing that Mariah couldn’t,at the other hand there is so many type of songs Mariah can sing that Celine couldn’t ! Yes, we can imagine Mariah singing next to a tenor,Mariah would do it even better than Celine .And we don’t have to imagine it as we already hear it in her duet version of Hero with Luciano Pavarotti. The whole thing about Mariah’s O Come all Ye Faithfull is a slanderous remark. This song is one of the most beautiful and most amazing songs from Mariah’s latest album. When we compare Mariah’s vocal performance in this song with Celine’s in her 1998 rendition,we notice one more time many of Mariah’s vocal qualities over Celine : much more smoothness, much more flexibility, much more silkyness,much more versatility,more freshness, much more diversified and various colors of her timbre, etc…and also a more beautiful voice simply .Moreover ,Mariah’s version shows more sing skills and abilities from Mariah than Celine’s does for Celine.Mariah’s version also releases more emotions .Celine’s version is more predictable ,more regular and more straight,and shows a lack of adventurism beside Mariah’s. Sayin that Mariah’s mother sounds like a man is a hating comment.Maybe you just don’t know that most of opera female singers sound like this. Indeed,Mariah’s mother didn’t sing normally,she sang opera verses,so you can’t make any fair statement on her voice .So your opinion is purely ignorant .On the contrary, Mariah’s mom sounds amazing ! Her voice is incredible for her age, mature and thick female voice that still have enough flexibility and power to sing opera ! I don’t think Celine’s mom could ever do the half of what she did ! And Mariah’s mom is also a beautiful mature lady ( particulary beside Celine’s mom ). Finally, magazine lists are not fan made unlike the lists of sales you usually post here.They are polls all over the world. US people wouldn’t logically vote for Mariah since in accordance to what you said ,they voted for Celine as their favorite artist ! So ,you see that unlike you,US people is objective.Although they prefer Celine Dion and chose her as favorite artist ,they recognize Mariah as the best voice ever ! This proves that their opinion is valid and much more reliable than the opinion from people of other countries in which Mariah is not very popular .Could we just imagine whole French or Canadian population voting for Mariah Carey as their favorite artist over Celine ? No,never ! Only American people can be so impartial and so objective ! Don’t challenge the list because it favor Mariah ! Furthermore,The poll was made online all over the world. So,all Celine fans ( the partial ones obviously ) had voted for Celine .So the rank is right,Mariah is the top ,the best voice ever,while Celine is ranked 9th best voice. So according to my opinion,Mariah Carey has stronger volume ,though she’s equal Celine on belting ( cause She doesn’t bring out her maximum potential on vocal power and volume ),Mariah got much more freshness on her voice, Much more smoothness,much more sensuality,much more flexibility ( she sound super-human ),has unique whistle notes,a very versatile voice,a stretchable, elastic voice that can go very low and very high, a very sensual / graceful voice, a unique high singing style and Mariah is a better vocal technician than Celine.Her voice can also match with much more musical genres and types than Celine’s. So vocally,Mariah is better. About dance skills,Mariah is a better dancer than Celine .You mix dance skills with stage presence topic .If Celine is a better live performer than Mariah,it’s obviously not because she’s a better dancer ! Ha ha ! Celine is just more humorist than Mariah .The very rare times Celine dances doesn’t prove she could equal Mariah on thiswhen Mariah does.Besides,they haven’t dance the same type of dance .Celine had dance for soft dance songs while Mariah had dance for Dance/R&B songs .In my opinion,Mariah’s choregraphical annexations are better than Celine’s wether they are live or in video.They are much more sexy too.Celine is not enough sexy for being compared to Mariah on dance skills ! Celine even can’t wear sexy clothes !How she could compete with Mariah on this ? Songwriting/composing/producing/arranging skills : Mariah wins undeniably.No comments. INFLUENCE : Mariah wins hugely ! How can you say that Celine’s influence equals Mariah’s ? You lie,Even though Celine is very successful in Europe,she have’nt significant influence there ! I am from Europe like I said before and have many relative there,particulary in France.Celine maximum influence there doesn’t relatively equals even 20 % of Mariah’s influence in US ! Of course she had influenced some artists( necessarily like any significant artist ) in France and Canada ,but not for Mariah’s level !There is a lot of other artists who are more influenting than Celine in those countries. Sayin that her impact in French singing/culture is comparable proves that you just suppose and that you don’t really know nothing about French singing culture.Very successful and very acclaimed doesn’t always mean very emulated .Mariah’s influence is not limited to Us only ,but worldwide ( though it’s much more significant in US and relatively in Asia).Even in europe,Mariah’s influence is respectable ! It’s particulary due to Mariah’s various sing styles ; Mariah influences artists by her R&B style and also by her Pop style ( melismatic style and powerful ballads.Celine has zero contribution on Music unlike Mariah and Madonna.Otherwise,I dare you to precise Celine’s concret contribution in music ! Lucky Luke ! You fail,Celine can’t compete with Mariah on voice in the same way Britney can’t compete with Celine on voice ! LuckyLuke says: February 5, 2011 at 11:51 am@ Momo !Really…Get Lost.@ TRISH !As I said I knew you’d come to say Mariah wins ineverything but I didn’t expect to consider her a betterdancer.You surprised me on this ! Anyway…I don’t challenge your opinion anymore on skills causeI couldn’t care less about it , since I don’t respectyou at all,after the lies and contradictions you keepposting (I see you avoided commenting the salescontradiction I posted xD ) and ofcourse I don’t change a thing on mine,exept for what Isaid about lists.I stand corrected in this.I said long ago my point of view on this topic andI think they shouldn’t be compared at all…!I think they are equal in voice,you think Mariah ismuch better…well…OK ! :-PPS. The hardest/strongest note in Celine’s career is notthe ”All By Myself” note…This is what the massesthink cause she keeps singing this particularsong live.There are songs where her voice goes higherand sounds much stronger. LuckyLuke says: February 5, 2011 at 2:04 pmCeline has 0 contribution to music ?Say this to people that keep awarding her for hercontribution to music ! If Celine has done 1 thingduring her 31 years career is leaving her markin Francophone music. And if this is not importantto you,you really don’t know how irrelvant is for meMariah’s contribution to rnb and hip hop sinceI don’t even like this kind of music ! STILL I am inposition to recognize her achievents and contributionunlike you !You don’t know ANYTHING on Celine’s contribution andher significant albums.RESULT ——–>You say all these after you said you are a FAN ? ? ?You say she is a robot , that she has an average voice ,that she tours for money , that she is not a gooddancer, that she has 0 contribution.Well…THIS WOMAN IS USELESS ! xD LuckyLuke says: February 6, 2011 at 9:11 amyoutube.com/watch?v=9KPUU-t28lgMariah sings the song in a popish way. Nothing classical.This is why the highest rated comment in the video saysMariah seems like an amateur beside him. She hasn’t gotthe proper voice to sing arias. And there are manyCeline songs Mariah couldn’t touch . Don’t deludeyourself. Be fair with vocal legends. LuckyLuke says: February 6, 2011 at 11:19 amyoutube.com/watch?v=xixX75qksjcThe highest rated comment in this video says it all.Celine’s crystal loud voice blends so beautiful withthe biggest tenor ever lived.This is why the did a studio recording as well.Dance -> youtube.com/watch?v=Y9u1q8egMUIAn example of Celine’s choreography while singingthis dificult song.Mariah is a better dancer ? ha ha ha ha ha !You are such a blind obsessed fan. The two thingsMariah can’t do —> 01.Dance , 02.Dress In A Classy /Fasion Way..!youtube.com/watch?v=l-glR3G707MI mean … come on ! I love her but as she has stated..she can’t dance xDMoving sexy is sth different ! don’t mix these two. Momo says: February 7, 2011 at 7:35 amMoff,I would like to have your opinion about Mariah Vs Celine on voice,the same way you did about Celine’s Vs Britney’s voice when you said Celine has a better voice than Britney cause Britney can’t sing My Heart Will Go On and It’s All Coming Back To Me Now ! Moff answer me ! MOFF says: February 7, 2011 at 3:26 pm@Momo :D Of course you can have my OPINION to Mariah vs. Celine’s voice. Yes, I said Celine’s voice is better than Britney, and honestly you were the first one who said Britney had a better voice than Celine. But actually: Voice doesn’t always mean opinion! Celine is a stronger voice, and can reach higher notes. Britney always uses playback, I seldom say live performances of her ..to Mariah:I think Mariah is a bigger power in her voice. She can reach higher (sometimes deeper) notes easier than Celine if you ask me, because I can hear it, its not as stressful and exhausting to reach some notes for Mariah as Celine. She can easily reach high notes, that Celine sings not so often. About power I think they are equal: I love Celine’s version of the Power of Love, its so powerful ! But also Mariah has songs where she can prove her power in her voice: Without and many other songs.But I think she whistles to often in her songs but this is a matter of opinion.Actually, I think if Mariah wants to – she can sing more powerful but this is very difficult to say ! !I prefer Celine’s music but that’s a matter of opinion.. . So .. Mariah has a greater vocal ability and Celine shows more often her power in the songs, whereas Mariah is showing her vocal ability and skills -(reaching high and deep notes). This is my opinion. And to Celine’s nasal voice:I don’t mind. But most of her songs haven’t got these nasal noises. I hear it sometimes, like A new day has come, but I don’t mind. TRISH says: February 9, 2011 at 8:31 am@Lucky Luke.You’re so delusional ! You continue your deliriums about Celine’s vocal skills,dance and contribution on music although you can’t give any concret proves ! You are so petty ! I said you about All By Myself that Celine HERSELF said it was her highest belting on studio in her autobiography “ Ma Vie,Mon Reve “,but you said that Celine got many other songs in which she outsing her belting in All By Myself,but you can’t mention any of them etc… etc….You even said that Mariah can’t Dress In A Classy / Fashion Way ! It as if you would say that Cindy Crawford and Claudia Schiffer can’t wear a dress that Susan Boyles could wear ! There is no coherence in what you said Lucky Luke ! When you try to laugh at Mariah’s dance skills beside Celine is exactly like someone who would laugh at Beyonce and Britney’s dance skills beside Susan Boyle and Barbra Streisand’s. Hahaha! Everyone will laugh at you ! You don’t deserve that I answer to your silly and pathetic failed opinions ! What is hurting so much that Mariah has a better voice than Celine ? That’s doesn’t mean Celine’s voice is not good ! And that Mariah has significant contributions in music unlike Celine ? You always said the words “you can’t change my mind on this” How a banal question of voice,sales,etc…could ever change the mind of someone ? What matter if Mariah got a better voice than Celine since it’s true ? You think that it could reduce Celine beside Mariah if you just admit it ? and this will “change your mind” if you recognize it? It’s that is called “obsession”.You’re obsessed to give to Celine every artistical assets and achievements that she haven’t in facts,just for satisfy your hating against Mariah.You are not healthy at all Lucky Luke,you’d better see a doctor ,I say this not for upset you believe me.I am very serious ! Consult a psychologist cause you got some serious psychological problems! LuckyLuke says: February 9, 2011 at 6:39 pmLook who’s talking about psychological problems !I am clear girl…Mariah is a better songwriter ,producer , is more beautiful and has better melismaticstyle and not better but THE whistle notes ..!Celine is a better belter,performer and her volumeis higher than Mariah’s.Celine’s hardest note is the note ”forever this way”during My Heart Will Go On.And as for long notescheck ”I Surrender”…plus the song ”Le BluesDu Businessman” (performed live many / many times)is full of beltings at every sentence,not just 2 bignotes like ”All By Myself”…Moreover…did you ever aksed yourself why Celine singsLIVE the song ”All By Myself” while she usespre-recorded vocals for the ending note of ”Power OfLove” the past 15 years ? ? ? Felling stupid now,huh ?Let me answer this ! Because the last note of”Power Of Love” is so much harder to hit !Same goes for the final loooooong notes of ”To Love YouMore” …..So no…All By Myself is not her hardersong. The are songs with higher and longer notes. Moveon and don’t dare to correct me even again when it comesto Celine !!Moreover only you desperately try to give credit toMariah for everything ! Well…sorry…she can’t danceand her stage presence is bad even when she just sings..!Moreover she never sustained a long note LIVE forover 10 seconds,unlike Celine ! Plus Her low notesare breathy and sometimes it even difficult tounderstand the lyrics she sings.Am I hater here ? NO !Celine’s voice is annoyingly nasal nowdays…Check perfomances of ”Alone” or ”Because You LovedMe” plus she uses too much pre-recorded vocals !Yes, I say it without even being challenged to do so..!I am objective and I have the guts to admitmy idols flaws / mistakes , unlike you that you findMariah flawless , without mistakes !”Mariah is the top vocalist , top creator , top impact ,top seller , top beauty , top actress , top dancer”(definitely better than celine)..well girl…TIME TO WAKE UP ! LuckyLuke says: February 10, 2011 at 6:47 amOne correction -> Celine’s volume is not higher thanMariah’s , but stronger. Mariah goes higher since sheuses the whistle register.I didn’t give Celine any professional asset she doesn’thave. I said she dances well for an AC vocalist , shehas the stage presence she should have based on theemotions of each song , I said she has a great voicejust like Mariah does and I said she is a songwriterproducer , but of course , not to the level of Mariah !I don’t see why I should visit a doctor… xDEverything I say is proved over the years.—————->Maybe you should visit one cause you are in this debatefor 7-8 months , babbling Mariah’s sales you STILLCAN’T PROVE , insisting on certifications you don’t know, while being the perfect example of contradiction.(Celine sold 175m albums by 2004 – Celine sold 160-170malbums in total / Mariah sold 300m records – Mariahsold 280m records / Mariah got Diamond Award for salesof 155m / Mariah got Diamond Award for sales of 170mand so on…) …..—->I know well you are here to provoke. I think you wantto give us a lesson cause you think we indirectly insultMariah by saying she is behind Celine and Madonnain total sales. So you come here to PROVOKE !You say Moff loves me , you insult everyone , you postcrazy sales that you always base in Asian micro-markets..(still NO FACTS)Well…I am reading your lies for the past 4 months xDYou don’t surprise me at all. You don’t even upset meanymore. Cause I know all your games…the nicknamegames,the contradiction games,the sarcasm games andso on…If you REALLY want to talk SERIOUSLY about saleslet me know… TRISH says: February 10, 2011 at 10:03 am@Lucky Luke Hahahaha! What an ignorant you are ! Mariah outsing all those Celine’s songs by her regular songs as If It’s Over,Whenever You Call,Butterfly,etc…Hahahaha! you just confound very long belt with powerful ones Hahaha! I repeat it idiot ! Celine’s higher belt, strength and power is on the song All By Myself.Mariah outsing Celine in all that she could ever do by Emotions,Against All Odds and My Saving Grace.Celine is light years behind Mariah on power and strength End Of Story ! TRISH says: February 10, 2011 at 10:33 amHahaha! You doesn’t know the meaning of the word “Strongest” listen All I Want For Christmas Is You,Emotions,O Holy Night,If It’s Over,Santa Claus Is Coming To Town,etc… you could have an idea about Mariah’s strenght.Celine doesn’t got strength that’s why she can’t make powerful dance pop songs like Mariah and Whitney,all that Celine can do for show her power are very longest belts.Mariah doesn’t need to give very long belts to show her strenght.She can’t sing strongest songs like Mariah’s Emotions,You’re So Cold,Now That I Know,To Be Around You,etc… or Whitney’s I Wanna Dance With Somebody,Queen Of The Night,etc… Celine’s Misled,Love Can Move Mountains,I’m Alive are very very weak dance songs beside Mariah’s and Whitney’s.Celine’s voice fail beside Mariah’s.You fail about your silly arguments ! Hahaha !You try to make Moff more and more hounded against me ? Don’t you get shame ? Slut ! Hahhaha!You suck ! About sales,Celine sold less albums than Mariah,your pathetic words can’t change nothing on this ! Sony BMG announce sales of 200 million records for Celine Dion in 2007.Between 2007- 2011 Celine doesn’t release internal albums.So,her total records for 2011 can’t surpass 2010 million the most ! Every objective people will agree with it ! Have a beautiful day Hahaha ! MOFF says: February 10, 2011 at 12:55 pm“About sales,Celine sold less albums than Mariah,your pathetic words can’t change nothing on this”.. prove ? List? LuckyLuke says: February 10, 2011 at 1:46 pm@ TRISHSlut ? Wow !I know what vocal strength is. And I am not stupid enoughto mess vocal strength with up tempo songs like you.Another weak argument.Now That I Know ? A Difficult Song ? lmao !The woman that sang ”THE PRAYER” can’t sing ”Now ThatI Know” ? lmao ! This proves who the ignorant is.Celine has stronger volume than Mariah.End Of Story ! :DOn Sales (MY FAVORITE PART)You say Celine sold 200m records by 2007. So now youtrust the labels ? Before you said we shouldn’t trustthem…One more contradiction added to the previous.Moreover if I accept what you say Island Def Jamannounced sales of 200m records for Mariah In 2011 ! So Celine suprasses her cause likeyou said she sold over 200m records in 2007.Once again,you fell into your own trap !!!Angry much ? YesAny proof what you say ? NoTHANK YOU !!! xD Momo says: February 12, 2011 at 8:21 amTrish,it’s useless to continue on giving arguments about Mariah’s voice Vs Celine.I listened and compared all their respective songs that are mentioned here and Mariah’s songs beats Celine’s in everything : beauty,power,strength,loudness,flexibility,range,volume,versatility,etc….Everyone objective agree with you as your claims about their voices are right and verifiable .Mariah’s voice is better than Celine’s. Now,you’d better continue to debate about their album sales as we already know that Mariah beat Celine on singles sales,worldwide Hits,vocal ability,dance skills, professional skills (writing,producing ,arranging),legacy and influence,while Celine beats Mariah on Tickets sales and Tours.Now,concentrate you about their albums sales. LuckyLuke says: February 12, 2011 at 11:25 am@ Momo ! / TRISHYOU ARE SO LAUGHABLE – JUST LIKE YOUR ARGUMENTS ANDCONTRADICTIONS !!! xDTRISH I said we should stop playing nickname games.I mean you come here to say that ”Momo” heard all thesongs and compared and objectively she decided Mariahbeats Celine ! Come oooooooooon little TRISH ! :-DYou first enter the ”Madonna Vs Mariah” debate as Trishand then you come here to post as Momo !Really ”Momo” ? Dancing skills for Mariah ?Then Mariah should be able to fill huge arenasworldwide Cause she has the BEST Voice , MORE WorldwideHits , BETTER Dancing skills , more RECORD sales , MoreContribution !Still…she can’t fill stadiums in Us and Japan , whilenowadays it is hard to even reach gold or platinum there.I don’t even mention Canada , Africa and Europe…Now…Come on TRISH ! Pull yourself together for a startand don’t act like a hater ! It is not THAT bad sayingCeline has a stornger volume and that she is a betterbelter / performer than Mariah when I OBVIOUSLY give thebest credit for MC on songwriting skills , voice skills(melisma , whistle note,vocal runs etc) , beauty ,flexibility , contribution , personality ,sexiness , producing skills etc ! I even said Mariah hasmuch more interesting music videos !Don’t be THAT angry and defensive. No need …really… Momo says: February 13, 2011 at 11:08 amLucky Luke, Mollo man ! I am a guy,a true guy ! What the fu** you do saying that I am Trish ? What matter if I am Trish? Did I say that you are Moff ? You think you could manipulate everyone here by your”nickname “accusations? Do Trish the only one Mariah fan on earth.So stupid ! Sorry guy ! Think anything you want.Your thoughs can refute my arguments. Mariah’s voice is better than Celine’s proving by their respective songs! Yes,Mariah beats Celine on voice and dance skills. TRISH says: February 13, 2011 at 12:12 pm@Lucky Luke: Momo and me are the same person? Hahaha! Really funny !So,everyone who doesn’t agree with your lies is me ? What a pathetic failure ! @ Momo. Thanks Momo,you are right.I’ll continue to prove that Mariah is a better album seller than Celine. About Celine sold 200m records by 2007 according to Sony BMG I claimed. 1- I wanted to show you how much you’re contradictory in your arguments.As You always base your arguments on institution’s claims,links and sources,so you can’t change or disguise their claims.I just said that in accordance with the sources you used , Celine total RECORD sales had reach 200 million by 2007( including her 1980’s Quebecker sales ),not 200 million albums like you tried to make us swallow since the debut of this debate . So as we see,Celine’s total albums,singles and DVD sales combined doesn’t surpass 200 million worldwide. 2- Unlike you, I never base my arguments on sources and institutions but on detailed datas sales and achievements themselves.So,you can’t say that I should accept the Islands Def Jam claim about Mariah’s records in the same way you did for Sony BMG about Celine.Moreover,Sony BMG is Celine’s label since her debut as an international artist ,unlike Mariah’s Island Def Jam. 3- Columbia Records is the Label which is allowed to claim Mariah’sales, not Islands Def Jam. Columbia claimed that Mariah’s total albums sales had reach 150 million.Since 2001,Mariah’s Glitter’s sales at Virgin Records + her sales at Islands Def Jam Records would be added to her sales at Columbia Records.Mariah’s Top success was in 1990’s at Columbia Records. The Millennium Award that Mariah won the same year confirmed this.Since this time,Celine’s global album sales was behind Mariah.When we add Mariah’s 2000 albums + the increasing of sales of her 1990’s albums,we have 190m – 200m albums till today.Not including singles sales.So,Mariah already equal Celine’s total records sales worldwide just by her total of Albums sales ! LuckyLuke says: February 13, 2011 at 6:58 pm@ TRISHCorrection Number 1 —> Sony BMG talked about 200mALBUMS for Celine in 2007 , not records and as I havementioned I think they inflated her sales.Links proving this statement are posted long ago inthis debate. If you want , I can show you again.Correction Number 2 —> Mariah’s first label NEVERClaimed sales of 150m albums ! this is a lie and ofcourse you are unable to prove it. The only timewe learned sth about her sales was at WMA in 2003 !She had sold 150m albums by then , confirmed byher award , label ! Moreover this info is putin EVERY site made for Mariah ! Even her OFFICIAL sites !Correction Number 3 —> Sorry…but If you trustwhat Sony Bmg says about Celine , you have to trustIsland Def Jam as well…And guess what Island Def Jam says Mariah sold over200m records…same info with BILLBOARD…same infowith World Music Awards…Why would ANYONE believe your partial lies ? You have0 proves , just assumptions !Do you want me to swallow Mariah sold 300m RECORDS ?Are you crazy ? ? ?As I said to the other debate NAME THE DETAILED DATASYOU KNOW !!!PS —> Stop writing to yourself. It is pathetic. Mariah4ever ! says: February 14, 2011 at 9:53 amHi Lucky Luke ! This is Mariah4ever,the clone of TRISH…LMAO ! How can you be so dumb ? Continue to accuse TRISH to be under every lamb.Everyone will see that you are crazy.About sales, Sony BMG announce 200 million records sold by Celine worldwide,not 200 million albums.Anyway,how Celine could ever sold 200 million albums in 2007,whereas you said that her sales in 2004 were 175 million albums ? Do Celine sold 25 million album in just 3 years with any smash album? Wow! She’s really the faster album seller ! Hahaha! Another contradiction Lucky Luke? Or another confusion by “huge institutions” Hahaha.As Trish always said, Mariah sold 190-200 million album worldwide while Celine sold 165m- 170 million the most,don’t try to deny it ! MariahCelineWhitneyMadonna says: February 14, 2011 at 11:42 amIt’s sad to see that the fans of these legendary women just can’t get a life outside the net-world and sets most of their time debating over and over again with regards to who is the best selling, best artist and other nouns,words or adjectives that had the word “best” written before it.Why can’t you just enjoy your favorite artist’s music and leave this thread for good.Mariah, Whitney, Celine and Madonna are legends in their own rights. They don’t hate each other so I can’t see the point why are this different fan bases are hating each other.Have some respect for this women! LuckyLuke says: February 14, 2011 at 1:36 pm@ TRISH/MariahCareyFan etcFirst of all,Sony Bmg announced sales of 200m ALBUMS.Here -> sonymusic.ch/Celine-Dion/Delles/P/477117867Despite THAT,I said I don’t agree with what Sony BMGsaid about Celine selling 200m albums by 2007. I Findthis figure inflated and it contradicts with whatWorld Music Awards said in 2004 about Celine selling175m ALBUMS by 2004,like you say.Here —> ctv.ca/CTVNews/Entertainment/20040914/dion_award040914/canada.com/topics/news/story.html?id=90da7aa0-f97e-4bc1-9985-1fb521cf0d5e&k=20045No matter if Celine sold 180m albums or 190m albumsor 200m albums by 2011…it is still much more thanMariah’s album sales that barely reach the 170m mark !This is proven by info COMBINED From her official sites, label , world music awards (150m Albums by 2003) ,Billboard , Mediatraffic.Links from all these musical institutions and awardsare posted in these debates and have already put youin total shame for saying Mariah sold 200m albums !xD looloo says: February 16, 2011 at 9:04 ami don’t got purpose of this thread, but ok:Objective things:Celine has healthier vocal technique (great mixing registers, smooth transition, no strain)Mariah has some talent in songwritingCeline sales are bigger than Mariah (I never saw Mariah in any top 10 best-selling act in history)Rest is subjective:Celine project emotions through different resonance (in nose for example when she want to sound lightly)Mariah project emotions through changing voice from sharp to breathy or whisper (mutating)Mariah using whistle register (compensation for mix) ………………………………………………… Personally, I thing that sales are the best pointers in terms of popularity. Healthy vocal technique indicate better vocalist.But both are good. Eg. Whitney had more sh***y technique. TRISH says: February 18, 2011 at 8:28 amGuinness World Records lied by the 380 million albums it claimed for Madonna sinec 2003,Celine’s Chopard Diamond Award is irrelevant cause Madonna refused it and her sales didn’t reach 175 million in 2004 (even till now,her sales doesn’t reach this number).Sony BMG lied when it claimed Celine sold 200 millon album in 2007 (foolish estimations),etc… etc… What that’s mean ? Hahaha! All this bull s *** show obviously that all the sources supporting your claims LIE and can’t be trusted cause all of them are biased ! Hahaha! About Mariah’s global album sales,they surpass Celine’s by far,proven by her detailed sales non falsified by biased links and sources.Nothing never prove the opposite.Celine’s glogal album sales since 1981 till today reach 168 million the very most ! Celine surpass this number only in biased links,sources,and lists ! Whereas Mariah sales surpass largely 190 million albums sold worldwide as everyone knows and every right detailed datas sales always show ! LuckyLuke says: February 18, 2011 at 3:05 pmWhat A Crazy Obsessed Uneducated Nasty Liar !About Celine’s global album sales,they surpass Mariah’sby far,proven by her detailed sales,not falsified bybiased links and sources.Nothing never proved theopposite.Mariah’s glogal album sales since 1990 tilltoday reach 168 million the very most ! Mariah surpassesthis number only in biased links,sources,and lists youmake ,being UNABLE to prove the 10 past months !Whereas Celine sales surpass largely 190 million albumssold worldwide as EVERYONE knows and every rightdetailed datas sales ALWAYS show ! MOFF says: February 18, 2011 at 3:09 pmNobody knows that Mariah has sold 190 largely ! NOBODY TRISH ! NOBODY YOU ARE SHAM FOR ALL HERE IN THIS DEBATE BECAUSE YOU LIE IN EVERYTHING YOU SAY1. you have no proves, like always as Trish or Momo, and now I really think both are the same person cause both claim 12 million for Ray of light and both have the same writing and spelling style …2.you post HIGH Mariah sales, and DECREASED MADONNA sales !3. again – you have no proves4. you try to convince people by saying “everything proves it by detailed facts and data” ITS ALWAYS THE SAME WITH YOU5. you have no proves and try to call every source which claims “Madonna or Celine has higher sales than Mariah” BIASED OR IRRELEVANT6. Should I say Mariah’s award was irrelevant ? YES – IT WAS, IT WAS IRRELEVANT ! TRISH – The Chopard given to Mariah WAS IRRELEVANT cause Madonna had more albums sales by 2000 (and 2003) than MARIAH – with PROVED Album sales ! WB claimed 24 for Madonnas True Blue and not 18.5 million like U SAID!TRISH YOU ARE A SHAME, not only for this debate, also for every fan of Madonna and Celine Dion, especially for Mariah Carey ! If she knew what you posted, she would surely be ashamed of you ! ! ! ! ! ! ! Such a crazy fan who tries to decrease every album which has sold more than any of Mrs Carey’s !!You want to provoke and I think we should ignore you. We should have had ignore you just before you posted your second post here in this debate because we should have known what A LIAR YOU HAD BEEN. And of course, you are still a liar. By all means !! !!YOU HAVE NO PROVES – and really want to try to convince other readers that Mariah is the best selling female artist of all time by saying that EVERY DATA proves it ????HAHAHAHAAt Trish: HAHAHA MOFF says: February 18, 2011 at 3:14 pmMhh .. at others: have you ever heard of the name “TRISH” ? Sorry, but I can’t remember that name . Carla says: February 19, 2011 at 7:37 amTo all Celine’s fans that say Celine Dion is ahead Mariah Carey on sales,there is the proof that Mariah Carey is ahead Celine Dion on total sales : 150 best selling artists in the world! ( archive )-Live Daily Community Music. This is a list of the top 150 worldwide best-selling music artists of all time. The measure is the total number of singles and albums sold world-wide (singles and albums weighted equally, paid digital downloads included too) This includes total sales to fourth quarter date November 1, 2005 .# Name Albums Worldwide Sales Nationality Years Active Genre Source1 The Beatles 40+ 400,000,000 UK 60s (1962-1970) Rock/Pop Guinness/EMI See also: Discussion #362. Michael Jackson 14 350,000,000 US 70s-00s (1979-) Pop/R&B MJ Stats3 Elvis Presley 150+ 300,000,000 US 50s-70s (1956-1977) Country/Rock Elvis.com See also: Discussion #14. Madonna 16 275,000,000 US 80s-00s (1984-) Pop WBR 2005 Discography 5. Nana Mouskouri 450 250,000,000 Greece 60s-00s (1959-) Pop  6. Cliff Richard 60+ 250,000,000 UK 50s-00s (1959-1969,1977-1979,1986-1999) Rock/Pop 7.The Rolling Stones 54 ~250,000,000 UK 60s-00s (1964-1981) Rock 60.5 million in the US 8. Mariah Carey 14 230,000,000 US 90s-00s (1990-) Pop/R&B Albums Discography9. Elton John 43 ~220,000,000 UK 70s-00s (1972-1976,1989-1991,1997-) Pop 10.Celine Dion 21 220,000,000 Canada 80s-00s (1990-) Pop Music/Pop Discography See also: Discussion #1 Carla says: February 19, 2011 at 7:42 amOn voice : Mariah’s voice is better than Celine’s Mariah’s voice is also more cheerful and releases more energy.Her voice is really special and sound like a musical instrument ,specially in the tracks Always Be My Baby,O Little Town Of Bethlehem.Mariah Carey influences an entire generation of artists : European artists ( Lynnsha,Pixie Lott ,Leona Lewis etc…),Asian artists ( Utada,Nina,etc…) and American artists ( an endless amount of R&B artists including Rihanna,Ashanti,Ciara,Beyonce,Destiny’s Child,etc… and Pop artists ( including Christina Aguilera,Beyonce,Justin Timberlake,Kelly Clarkson,etc…).Mariah beat Celine on all this.Mariah Carey’s beltings are stronger than Celine’s .Just the belting in Whenever You Call beat Celine’s strongest beltings in The Power Of Love and My Heart Will Go On the Celine fan mentioned. Compare them objectively and you’ll notice that .About Celine’s belting in To Love You More,they are long and very close but that’s doesn’t mean they are among her among her strongest ones. And yes,Emotions,To Love You More ,Fantasy,Santa Claus Is Coming,etc… are powerful dance songs unlike Celine’s.Celine have any dance songs that are as much vocally powerful as Mariah’s .Celine’s dance songs are weak vocally next to Mariah’s,wether they are up tempo songs or not ( Misled,One Heart ,That’s The Way it Is , etc…).Otherwise, let’s make it simple : I’ll show a list of Celine and Mariah’s dance songs that anybody could compare to see Mariah’s superiority on vocal strength beside Celine.Mariah got more energy vocally,even when she doesn’t rise her voice,her voice shows more strength. Mariah’s voice got more strength. LuckyLuke says: February 20, 2011 at 12:19 am@ Carla (Lmao)01.Is this a list based on data from musicalInstitutions ? Answer : NO02.Do you know how many official lists exist fromBillboard , Mediatraffic and Ifpi that Combinedshow Celine ahead of Mariah for a difference of at least20-30m records ? I really doubt you do. They are postedhere before.03.”To Love You More” is a Celine song,not a Mariahone.Moreover,everyone recognises Mariah as an excellentvocalist and her contribution is UNIQUE so there is nopoint repeating ”she is the best” with weak argumentson dance songs,like TRISH/MariahCareyFan/Momo did.By the way…The use of words ”objective person” ringsmany bells to me xD …….LOL…But anyway…04.Thank you,cause you at least proved,to the delusionallambs,that you trust a list where Madonna is shownAHEAD of Mariah for over 40m records ! Moreover thanxfor believing that Celine sold over 220m records duringher career and not 200m records like some losers herekeep babbling. LuckyLuke says: February 20, 2011 at 4:37 amPS… Everyone can easily find fan-made biased listson the Internet like the one you brought.See for yourself.listal.com/list/list-bestselling-music-artists TRISH says: February 21, 2011 at 10:45 am@ Loo loo : I don’t really understand what you meant by “Celine has healthier vocal technique (great mixing registers, smooth transition, no strain)”.So, who has a sicker vocal technique ? Mariah ? Hahaha! Maybe you never heard a Mariah’s song.Go and listen Mariah’s incredible songs,then you could come back here to talk about “healthier vocal technique”.How Celine’s dry and sour voice could ever be said healthier than Mariah’s fresh and sweet voice ? And which vocal technique do you talk about for Celine ? No strain ? Do you talk about Celine’s voice beside Mariah’s ? Or about Celine’s comedic performances on stage ? What a joke ! You said :“Mariah has some talent in songwriting”? It’s Really funny! Let me remind you that Mariah Carey is just behind Paul McCartney and John Lennon for the most number 1 songs penned by songwriters overall.Mariah is ahead the greatest and most famous female songwriters Carole King,Diane Warren,etc… They are ranked behind Mariah on amount of # 1 hit songs written .Celine is not talented on writing-composing-producing-arranging skills ,unlike Mariah.So,it’s useless tryng to diminish Mariah’s songwriting skills because of Celine.Mariah have not just “some talent in songwriting”, she’s a very talented songwriter among songwriters ! Very dear, You are far behind the times ! You are just not informed enough to know that Mariah is in all right lists of 10 best selling artists in history.Mariah is even already named the best selling female artist of all times ! Inform yourself.Read the Popdirt blogs: The 10 best selling female artists of all times, The Top Selling Female Artist Of All Times Madonna Or Mariah Carey, Mariah Female Artist Of All Times,etc… So yes,Mariah is in all RIGHT lists of top 10 best selling artists.She’s even ahead Celine on these lists ! See ? This is a shame for you to ignore that ! Celine sales are far behind Mariah’s,just inform yourself by objective and right sources!In your “subjective comment” you said: “Celine project emotions through different resonance (in nose for example when she want to sound lightly)” Hahahaha! It’s so funny Hahaha! Celine project emotions by her nose ! Hahahaha! You are so good to say it! Hahahaha! Very dear,you should know that ” Nose” never considered as a vocal instrument or a vocal back up ! Hahahha! How a nasal “resonance” could ever sounded beautiful ? Hahahaha! Everyone agree that’s it a huge handicap rather than an asset.You know nothing on music and true artistical creativity. Otherwise, you would know that any sound coming from nose will be very ugly and damage the song,so it can’t be commented as a good asset ! hahaha ! Moreover,it would not a particular asset since everybody got nose ,so everyone could “Project emotions trhough their nose “ as well Hahaha! it would be so easy for everyone Hahahaha! Particularly when they get cold ! Hahahaha! No,nasal voice nor nasal sounds /noises are not artistical/musical assets,they are rather artistical handicaps ! Hahahaha! I guess that you have not enough knowledge about music ,art and vocal beauty , so ,it’s useless to continue respond to you.Bye bye ! @Lucky Luke: Hahaha! Calm down Lucky! Or shall I say Mrs Moff ? Ha haha ! Be careful cause Moff could be very angry against you if you continue to use insults in this debate! Hahaha! Cause he dislike insults apparently.Why the fact that Mariah sold much more albums than Celine could hurt you so much? You must accept it,since you know damn well that this is the truth ! Why are you so obsessed with Mariah ’s and Celine’s sales ? Dear ,know that sometimes,truth can hurt ! TRISH says: February 21, 2011 at 10:50 am@ Carla : Inform yourselflf.Mariah sold much more records than not only Celine,but also Madonna and Nana mouskouri.Mariah is the best-selling female artist of all times.I proved it many times in this blog and many others and I will continue to prove it.Don’t trust Lucky Luke’s falsified links and sources cause they are partial and fans made. @ Moff: You surely love Cow-Boys,right? Lucky Luke’s name remind you the popular cartoon “Lucky Luke,the lonely Cow-Boy”.That’s why you’re so attracted by him.It’s normal that you never heard the name “TRISH” It’s sound very weird in your ears as it’s a girl nickname ! LuckyLuke says: February 21, 2011 at 6:53 pm@ TRISH01.HOW exactly did you PROVE Mariah is the best seller ?You say – for instance – she sold 170m ALBUMS by 2003 butthis is a lie cause she sold 150m by then as her labelAND World Music Awards AND Official Site Proved.Here You Are :)—> Mariahcarey.com/news/awards.php—> celebrity9.com/mariah-carey/biography.html02.Celine Dion sold more than Mariah becausethe Industry , Media say so and because it is provedby detailed datas ! :D Moreover as of 2011 Celinereturns to Vegas having the fastest selling show inVegas History ! She is singing LIVE at Oscars for the6th time ! What an Honour to the best selling femaleartist of the past 20 years !She has CONQUERED Every place of this world, justlike Luc Plamondon stated and as her local awards prove—> Quebec (80s) , then Canada (1992) , then France(1996), then Europe (2003) , then Africa (2008) … thewhole world (2004 / 2007) , Francophonedistinctions(2008/2009) …While selling over 52m ALBUMSin Us alone (Billboard 2010).03.If Mariah suprasses Celine I’ll be more than happyto accept it,beause there is NO doubt that Mariah wouldDESERVE this distinction. (And many more actually)Believe me…If Mariah gets an award for her globalsales I will shut up ! I won’t act like a bitter hatervisiting blogs and debates calling her award/distinctionIRRELEVANT ! Your main problem is that you think peoplehate on Mariah if they don’t call her ”the bestseller”.04.On Your Insults…well…Thanx for thinking I amlike a hot cow-boy that can seduce and use love tricksto everyone ! I Am fascinated this is said by aself-proclaimed beautiful and smart girl like you. :)No more comment on that. This is what you do the best…umm…since July ? ? ? xD when you called people”slut , whore , bitch , gay , old , talked aboutmasturbation” etc …ZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzZZZZZzzzzzzz LuckyLuke says: February 22, 2011 at 5:24 amcelinedion.com/news/celine-among-most-influential-acts-las-vegasCeline Dion undoubtably continues to influence the musicworld. After 31 years of consecutive success andawards in the industry she reaches a brand new level ofsuccess and contribution as it is proved by therecord breaking demand of people to attend her Brand NewLas Vegas Show which currently marks as the fastestselling show in the History of Ceasar Palace !For The History…Celine proved what a skilled vocalist she is during the90s as fans and music critics alike praised her vocalability and put her in comparison with vocal legendssuch as Mariah Carey and Whitney Houston.At the 00’s…she showed as her performing skillsduring her sold out Vegas Shows and her sold out TakingChances Tour. (These Series Of Concerts grossed over680m Dollars combined placing Celine At Number 1 spot)Celine Dion improved so much as a performer andinterpreter.Celine left an indelible imprint on the city of Vegasand set a high standard for every artist.AEG is excited about the return of the Female Artist ofthe Decade , as John Meglen stated.(President andco-CEO of AEG Live/Concerts West)Moreover he added…“Celine’s impact on the entertainment standard in LasVegas is the bar all others compare to.”Gary Selesner stated that the first lot of shows throughApril 17 will be completely sold out.Info Of The Show : The Show will feature 31 Musicians,consisting of a full orchestra and band.As Celine revealed during her latest interview tothe Oprah Show she will include a tribute to MichaelJackson and will perform live Billy Joel’s”Goodbye Lullaby”,dedicated to her twins,Nelson and Eddy.She sang this particular song live during the OprahShow proving her voice is at last restful ! She soundedfresh , smooth , soft and really pure after her 2 yearsbreak.youtube.com/watch?v=a7lLQO1wXFsHer spectacular show will debut In March 15 2011. looloo says: February 23, 2011 at 7:08 am@TRISH “healthier” = less stressful. Mariah use only curbling in upper register. It’s hold style of singing. Half metalic sound with medium loud grade. She uses it with too much air sometimes and it’s very stressful. In lower parts and high part she use neutral mode with air. She is always breathy and sweet sounding. She does NOT use any other mode. She never used real “belt”. In contrast, Whitney and Celine use “overdrive” in middle and upper range (whitney until D5, Celine sometimes higher, but it’s dangerous above D5/Eb5). You know this big B4 in IWALY by Whitney or big F5 in All by myself by Celine. It’s called overdrive and it’s very loud and powerfull. Celine uses it a lot, Whitney less (in upper). After D5 Whitney breaks to cubling like Mariah, but Celine switch to belting. It’s the main differenc between these 3 ladies. In high notes (above A5, Celine can belt little higher, maybe B5-C6) they all use neutral (sometimes with and sometimes without air).Plus all these modes are able to arrange with using twang (the epiglottis closes back over the vocal folds slightly and the whole structure above the larynx becomes a little tighter).PS: nasal “resonance” is normal but only if there is too much nasal “resonance” it’s became perceivable. And usage too much twang generally make the voice slightly nasal (country singers) or ducky sounding (like Aretha or Anastacia). But Celine’s “nasality” was mainly caused by bad posture of her tongue: “When Celine Dion first started out, she was extremely nasal on her high notes. She’s done severeal interviews about how hard it was for her to re-train her tongue to stay forward so she could open up her throat. She said she spent hours and hours on it because her native language (french canadian) requires that you speak with the tongue pulling back for proper pronunciation.” LuckyLuke says: February 23, 2011 at 9:24 am”Read the Popdirt blogs: The 10 best selling female artists of all times, The Top Selling Female Artist Of All Times Madonna Or Mariah Carey, Mariah Female Artist Of All Times,etc… So yes,Mariah is in all RIGHT lists of top 10 best selling artists.She’s even ahead Celine on these lists ! See ? This is a shame for you to ignore that ! ”Oh Really TRISH ? I hadn’t noticed that comment before !YOU REACH A NEW LEVEL BABY !!!According to you, (a self-proclaimed ”Good and SmartDebatur”) we should base our opinion on popdirt debatelists and NOT on data coming from RIAA , IFPI ,World Music Awards , Mediatraffic , BILLBOARDEtc Etc Etc that All COMBINED declare Celine as the bestseller ABOVE Mariah !!Well…now we should all LAUGH together !Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha !!!!!! Carla says: February 23, 2011 at 9:48 amPS : between the Mariah’s songs I cited ,I meant Jesus Oh What A Wonderful Child instead of To Love You More.I know that To Love You More is a song of Celine Dion. For the list of sellers I show,sorry I don’t think this list is made by Mariah Carey’s fans cause Mariah is ranked third best selling female artist in that list. If Mariah would be ranked first best selling female I could think the list was really made by her lambs.It seems like it was made by Madonna fans instead of Mariah’s since it favor Madonna .You say so because you’re a fan of Celine Dion whereas Mariah is ahead Celine in that list . LuckyLuke says: February 23, 2011 at 11:57 am@ CarlaNo, I never said it was made by lambs. Read my replyagain.I said this list is not based on musicalinstitutions,just like the list I posted that showsCeline ahead of Mariah.We can’t just trust lists we findon the internet.Besides,not even Trish – a lamb – agrees with your list.On your comment about their skills I have to say thatyou are wrong saying Mariah can belt like Celine.This is a huge mistake. Mariah uses head voice and Celineuses chest voice ! It is easier for Celine to beltout songs.It is easier for Celine to hold long notes,proved not only by studio recordings but by herlive perfomances as well (I Surrender , The PowerOf Love , Think Twice , To Love You More , Le BluesDu Businessman , D’Amour Ou D’Amitie , Show Must Go On ,, The Prayer , Caruso , I Drove All Night etc etc) Minsk says: February 23, 2011 at 2:44 pmAccording to the 2011 Top 10 of Everything book,Top selling artists worldwide 1 – Beatles = 346m 2 – Michael Jackson = 235m 3 – Queen = 200m 4 – Pink Floyd = 194m 5 – Elvis Presley = 187m 6 – Madonna = 185m 7 – Celine Dion = 183m 8 – Elton John = 177m 9 – U2 = 170m 10 – Rolling Stones = 168mIt’s only about albums sales, not records. LuckyLuke says: February 23, 2011 at 9:51 pm@ MinskI don’t know if your list is based on official data fromRIAA , IFPI etc Facts…but I have to say it completelyagrees with what I have been saying ! That Celine hassold around 185m albums since her debut ! Same goesfor Madonna whose album sales are close to 190m markas the Guinness Book Of Records said. Moreover , onCeline , it completely agrees with her World Music Awardand the sales they officially announced of 175m by mid2004. (The Awards were held on September 2004) !@ EveryoneSo Celine had almost 175m before the release of Miracle(2.5m) , On Ne Change Pas (1.5m) , D’Elles (Almost 1m) ,Taking Chances (At Least 3.5m) , My Love (2m) !I don’t know why haters can’t just swallow that Celinehas sold 185m albums & 50m singles ! She is sofreaking successful since her debut in everything shedoes ! She has sold almost 6m DVDs , which is much morethan Mariah’s DVD sales and has grossed 280m by herlatest tour alone ! All Mariah’s tours combined haven’tgrossed over 300m dollars..! No doubt Celine is the bestselling female artist of the past 20 years in EVERYTHINGshe does. And let’s not forget Celine is associated withsome of the best selling and critically aclaimedSoundtracks ! Beauty And The Beast (5m & Academy Award), Sleepless In Seatle (5m & Academy/Grammy AwardNomination) , Titanic (30m & Academy Award ,Grammy Award , Golden Globe) , Quest of Camelot (AcademyAward Nomination , Golden Globe Winner) , Becuase YouLoved Me (Grammy Award Winner , Academy Award Nomination)etc etc etc. Mariah is associated with epic moviefailures such as Glitter that was panned by film criticsand was not embraced by people , not even her fan baseand flop songs such as ”Right To Dream” ! The onlysuccessful movie-song is ”When You Believe” that soldalmost 2m copies worldwide and recieved an Oscar.Take note to the fact that Soundrack success(or a song’s success coming from an original movie)is irrelevant to the movie’s success. Because thereare many high grossing films with flop soundtracks(Avatar) and the opposite…Flop films with successfulsongs (Up Close And Personal) !On Celine Dion Again , she was not only successful attouring but also at perfoming at Ceasar Palace for 5years in a row ! This is not ”touring” ,cause shedidn’t tour the world.She was in One stable place andpeople had to come to her show ! What an honour..!This was a risk that could damage her career,since the world practically lost Celine for 5consecutive years.Still,not only the series of liveshows were sold out,but they reached an incomparablegrossing of over 400m dollars ! At the same time Celinerecieved many awards by the industry for her acievementsand contribution. Moreover – and this is unbelievable –Celine sold albums steadily (With little promo and afew singles coming from each album) as ”One Heart”became the 10th best seller of 2003 , Miracle is one ofthe best selling kids albums in history (Placed atnumber 11) , On Ne Change Pas became the best sellingFrench compilation album of 2005 , D’elles was the bestselling French album of 2007 by a female artist thatmarked the highest debut for an artist In Canadiancharts (70k sold during the 1st week In Canada) , andfinally Taking Chances and My Love had their respectablesuccess.My Love was the best selling compilation albumof 2008 as IFPI proved.Apart from her English albums success Celine Dion isby far the best selling and most influencial Frenchartist in history proved by her record sales thatsuprass the 30m mark and her numerous awards.Her Awards include the Yamaha Music Festival Awards InJapan given to Celine at age 15 for singing”Tellement J’Ai D’Amour” , Eurovision Song ContestAward for singing ”Ne Partez Pas Sans Moi” (1988),Victoire De La Musique (1996 / 2001) , Medal of arts andLetters (1996) , Legion D’Honneur (2008) to mention afew.Now Celine is ready to perform at Oscars for a recordbreaking 6th time , proving she is still credited as oneof the best female voices ever.Moreover,just like I said,her new Show is the fastestselling show in Ceasar Palace History , a strong factthat proves people still demand to attend Celine’sconcerts,no matter the expensive tickets,and all thisbecause of her proffesional assets as an amazingvocalist and improved performer. TRISH says: February 25, 2011 at 11:50 am1. @Lucky Luke: Music Box doesn’t sold 29 m copies,nor 30 m but 32 million copies worldwide ! Hahaha! Dear Lucky, I don’t just call IFPI partial,I proved it ! You said: “ I Told You TO SET THE BASE FOR THIS DEBATE And you can’t even respond to this” Just read the post # 320 and you’ll see that I’ve already answer to you on this point. You just ignore my response. Hahaha! About contradictions,you and your alter ego Moff are the deserving champions Lucky ! Not just me Hahaha! Let’s see: CONTRADICTION NUMBER 1 —> Madonna sold 200m albums coming from Asia (15m) , Us (64,5m) , Europe (74m) , Australia (6m) … -> 154m Albums ! 1. WHERE DOES MADONNA FIND THE REST 46m ALBUMS ?2. CONTRADICTION NUMBER 2 —> Celine sold 190 – 200m albums coming from Asia (13m) , Us (50m) , Europe (54m) ,Canada (15) Australia (4m) … -> 136m Albums ! WHERE DOES CELINE FIND THE REST 54- 64m ALBUMS ? Hahaha! It seems like your “links” doesn’t give every important details.Hahahaha! 1. CONTRADICTION NUMBER 3 —> Madonna sold 100m singles. At least,It’s proved that Mariah sold over 32 m certified Singles in US alone. Madonna even didn’t sold 25m singles in US nor in Europe ! Where do Madonna is credited as the female artist with the most certified platinum singles ? You can’t even give her singles Platinum certifications on Eurochart. How she could ever sold 100 million singles worldwide? HA HA HA HA HA HA HA ! CONTRADICTION NUMBER 4 —> You always say that Mariah’s 18 number 1 Hits in Billboard Hot 100 are due to Radio Airplay although you know that she’s the best female single seller in US.Madonna got 18 Number 1 in Worldwide Chart + 15 number 1 Hits in Eurochart + 12 Number 1 Hits in Billboard Chart without selling even 25 million singles in any of those Charts ? Hahahaha! CONTRADICTION NUMBER 5 —– You always try to show that Madonna sold most records than Mariah based on her impressive amount of number 1 Hits worldwide,whereas you say Celine doesn’t need to have number 1 Hits in any Chart worldwide to sell albums Hahahaha ! According to you,Madonna’s numerous number 1 Hits worldwide are impressive and relevant only face to Mariah’s,but not face to Celine’s.No matter if Celine doesn’t have Hits worldwide,she stay as great as Madonna ,but about Mariah,the inferiority of her amount of # 1 hits beside Madonna’s make her small next to Madonna .You decide what makes an artist great and when ,but in accordance with an essential criterion : your personal preference ( you love Celine & Madonna and you hate Mariah ) ! Hahahahaha! CONTRADICTION NUMBER 6 —– You say Madonna sold 40 – 45 million singles over Mariah although Mariah got much more singles which sold over 3 million and over 5 million than Madonna worldwide.Whereas you said Mariah sold just 5 – 10 million singles over Celine Dion worldwide although Celine got just 1 single selling over 4 million worldwide.Celine doesn’t have a single sold million worldwide since the 1990 decade.Since the 1990’s ,Mariah’s singles sales already surpassed Celine’s by very far !You hate Mariah so much,that you never notice it and you got the nerve to say Mariah outsold Celine by just 5 – 10 million singles. Hahahaha! CONTRADICTION NUMBER 7 —- You say Celine sold more albums than Mariah since institutions awarded her for that,and she’s called the best selling female artist of all times by every great musical institutions.in the same time you recognize that Madonna sold more albums and more singles than Celine according to Guiness.According to you,Celine is the best selling female artist for Mariah and other female singers ,but not include Madonna as you love Madonna like you love Celine.Hahhahahaha! CONTRADICTION NUMBER 8 You said that Celine is named the best selling female artist of all times,at the same time ,you also said that she’s the best selling female artist of THE PAST 20 YEARS ! You create a criterion for Celine’s best-selling title,adding “ for the past 20 years” or “ since the 1990’s “ just to avoid striking on the best-selling title of your other idol Madonna ! In facts,Celine is not the best selling female artist of the past 20 years ! Mariah Carey is the best selling artist OVERALL of the 1990 decade,Britney Spears is the best selling FEMALE artist of the 2000 decade ! And you admitted that Celine’s total album sold were behind Madonna’s in the 2000 decade .How Celine could be the best selling female artist of the past 20 years ?CONTRADICTION NUMBER 9 —– You said formerly lambs can’t say Mariah has a better voice than Celine because voice is a subjective question.However,you cited Barbra Streisand,Michael Bolton,II Divo,Andrea Bocelli ,Luciano Pavarotti as the greatest voices of the world . CONTRADICTION NUMBER 10—– You admitted Mariah is the best selling artist in 2000 year (Millenium Award) till 2003 Year (Chopard Diamond Award) for sales of 150 million albums ,but in 2004 Celine’s albums surpass Mariah’s suddenly by 25 million albums sold !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Then 2004 – 2011 Celine’s albums reach suddenly 190 – 200 million worldwide ,while Mariah’s stand at 160 – 170 million in 2011 .Hahahahahaha! Celine’s album sales grows spectacularly within 3 years,or 2 years,or even 1 year ! while Mariah’s stand relatively at the same number within 3 years,or 5 years or more!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!CONTRADICTION NUMBER 11 —- You Challenge the 13 m sales of TEOM worldwide and try to put 11 million sales for it while you claim A New Day… sold 11- 12 million although A New Day sold 3 million in US + 3 million in Europe = 6 million whereas TEOM sold over 6 million in US + 1 million in Europe = 7 million.And TEOM outsold ANDHC in all the rest of the world .Did A New Day charted after 2002 ??? It’s so silly ! About All I Want For Christmas Is You,it sold over 12 million copies worldwide !It sold over 2 million in Japan and is ranked the best selling single there .And yes, Mimi sold over 50 million albums the very low in whole Asia ! CONTRADICTION NUMBER 12 —— Celine’s Diamond Award is irrelevant 1- Because you admit it yourself that she received it because Madonna refused it ! 2- Because in 2003, Celine sales didn’t even reach 150 million albums yet worldwide !2. CONTRADICTION NUMBER 13—> Mariah is the BEST SELLER With 300m RECORDS sold ( refute it if you can) , Mariah is the BEST female Songwriter (Fact ), the BEST Voice ever ( by far : undeniable fact) ! The best singer ever ! ( undeniable ) ,The MOST Influencial female artist ever (Fact) , A GOOD DANCER ( you said the same for Celine.Anyway,Celine is not better ) she is sexy (fact ) , beautiful (fact ) ….. Yes, she combined ALL of these assets very well as all the proves can show it ! This is not by Mariah’s fault if Celine doesn’t combine these assets,if she’s just able to impress people by her pull faces and her straight and predictable nasal belts on stage ! Mariah doesn’t care about fill stadiums,her fans doesn’t care about it ! We are worried about Mariah’s EXTRAORDINARY VOICE and SINGING SKILLS !!! We need her incredible and unique songs which are able to climb Charts,unlike Celine’s ! Of course, touring is irrelevant to success and skills ! Otherwise,Celine would have many number 1 Hits in Billboard,in Eurochart and in Worldwide Chart during these 12 last years,while she still able to fill every stadiums ! She would also have the best-selling albums of the 2000 decade ! If Celine’s voice was so particular ,Celine would have a vocal citation on Guinness World Record ! She could also beat a vocal record ! All these people who buy Celine’s concert Tickets would vote her as the best female voice ever ! But instead,they voted Mariah as the ultimate voice ! Hahahaha! Tours are not relevant to success honey !Nor to the better vocalist !Cher and Tina Turner are among the most successful female artists on stage,but they are not among even the average female vocalists ! Madonna got huge successes in concerts ,but she’s not a vocalist ! Tours refers to entertainment,not to vocal performances.Otherwise,Madonna wouldn’t be the highest grossing touring artist since she’s not even among the average vocalists. Celine’s 175 million albums sold in 2004 is a pure myth,you know that damn well ! Celine’s global albums sales since 1981 to 2011 is about 161m – 165 million the most ! Let’s say 168 million. Otherwise,I dare any of you all here (Lucky Luke,Moff,Shutup,etc…) to answer these questions: How many albums Mariah Carey and Celine had sells respectively in : 2000 year ??? 2003 year??? 2004 year ??? 2006 year ??? You can show the detailed sales with IFPI and RIAA’s datas. I AWAIT YOUR ANSWERS !!!! TRISH says: February 25, 2011 at 12:00 pm@ Looloo : Hahahaha! Do you read what you wrote ! I can’t stand in my seat,your post is so laughable ! So,in accordance with you,Mariah’s voice is more stressful than Celine’s because Celine give her predictable long belts in each of her songs ?!!! Really ?!! Hahaha ! This is the better joke I ever read in my life ! On what do you base your arguments to say a such stupidity ? ?? Dear,Celine can’t compare to Mariah on voice ! I’ll repeat it : Mariah Carey got everything on voice,Celine got nothing vocally,except VOLUME.Your “ technical terms “ doesn’t frighten us, kid.You can’t elude us by your technical blablabla “ D5,B4,etc… Mariah sing with too much air,…Celine … blablabla…”.And you try desperately to counterbalance Celine’s nasal handicap with Mariah’s rare breathy sounding on stage.Mariah doesn’t use “ only curbling in upper register “ : LIE ! Hahaha! And even if she would do,you would prove that I was right when I said that Mariah didn’t use her entire vocal potential unlike Celine and that Nevertheless,her belts always sound louder and better than Celine’s .That’ also prove that Mariah’s vocal volume and power surpass Celine’s by very far ! Although Mariah never use overdrive beltings ,her belts surpasses Celine’s on volume and power ! Chest voice naturally got more strength than head voice ! Can we imagine how much powerful and loud Mariah’s beltings would sounded if she would use chest voice like Celine ?? Her belts would be too much powerful with too much volume and could damage the ears of listeners ! At an other sight ,Mariah use much more vocal techniques than Celine ! Especially because her voice is much more rich and have many particular assets . Celine’s belt always sound the same : straight,predictable,no versatility,no melisma,not a particular flexibility.Mariah show not only the power of of her voice,but above all the BEAUTY of her voice,and also many particular vocal assets. Celine is just worried about the volume and the power of her voice,not about its beauty ! There is no need to have vocal knowledge for notice that Mariah uses much more different vocal assets than Celine.Many Mariah’s songs sound like if that’s was many different persons who sang them .Sometimes in the same song,Mariah sound like 2 or 3 different persons .But Celine ? hahaha ! Always the same register ! Who can say Mariah use only “curbling upper register” in all those songs : Emotions, The Wind, Bliss, Melt Away ,You’re So Cold, Fantasy,O Come all Ye Faithfull,Music Box,Honey, Mine Again, If It’s Over, Hero, We Belong Together,Vanishing, All I Want For Christmas Is You, Lookin’ In, O Holy Night,etc… ? Even the greatest vocal experts of the world can’t say so.You lie Looloo.Otherwise,what different registers Celine use in The Power Of Love,Think Twice,Le Blues Du Businessman,Je Ne Sais Pas, All By Myself,My Heart Will Go On,Misled,I’m Alive ?? etc… Hahahhaha! Sorry,but Mariah’s voice beat Celine’s on everything include versality . Unlike Celine ,Mariah can use every vocal registers she want proving by her songs.Because her voice is not as limited as Celine’s. Mariah’s voice is by very far much more better than Celine’s.Just cite some Celine’s songs in which her voice is as versatile, strong and powerful as Mariah Carey’s and I’ll respond you ! END OF STORY ! TRISH says: February 25, 2011 at 12:13 pm@Lucky Luke: I don’t agree with Carla list because a right list should rank Mariah Carey at the first place for female seller artists.The lists you usually post are worse than Carla’s as they are made by haters like you. About beltings,It’s much more easier for Mariah to hold long notes than Celine,proved not only by her studio recordings,but also by her live performances.She beat Celine by far on vocal strength,volume and power (Whenever You Call, Without You, Forever, Emotions,The Star Spangled Banner,Vision Of Love,Love Takes Times,Fly Like A Bird,etc…etc…).The Celine’s songs you cited can’t take it beside Mariah’s ! There is only one singer that can compete with Mariah Carey vocally : Whitney Houston.All in all,Mariah got the better voice.Celine’s 185 million albums sold worldwide is a pure myth dear honey.In 2004,Celine’s worldwide album sales were about 140- 143 million the most.Celine even doesn’t sold 170 million album worldwide till today.She sold 166 million albums the most,let’s say 168 million.See ? She’s not in the league of huge sellers like Mariah Carey.Hahahaha! Mimi doesn’t need to sing soundtrack songs to got Hits,unlike Celine’s.Mariah’s All I Want For Christmas Is You, One Sweet Day,We Belong Together, Without You,etc… are not soundtrack songs,nevertheless,they blow any Celine’s Hit away on everything ! So Mariah’s songs doesn’t need a film to boost them to become hits. Moreover,Mariah doesn’t just able to sing a film soundtrack,she’s also able to take part as actress in films unlike Celine’s.Hahahaha! After 30 years of career,Celine doesn’t got not even one international artist who credit her as main influence whether it’s in US, Europe nor Asia. Do you think that singing in a non-English language can be called musical impact and contribution ? Hahaha! So laughable ! I am able to write in English, French and Danish languages in this debate unlike you ,so I should be credited for the better debatur here,with the most contributions and most impacts Hahahaha ! Although Celine’s huge success in USA ,Celine have no artist from USA who emulate her singing style,nor claiming her as main musical influence.At the other hand,Mariah have most artists than Celine in Europe who emulate her and cite her as main musical influence.France is Celine’s most successful European country,I used to be in France and I can tell you that Celine Dion is not the most influencial female artist there .All that Celine got as impressive next to Mariah in music is her tours and her income ,nothing else.Have a beautiful week-end !!!! LuckyLuke says: February 26, 2011 at 4:13 am@ TRISH1.You said World Music Awards are to be trusted. Theyannounced sales of 175m albums for Celine is 2004 andyou say she sold over 140m by then. You look like a fool.2.You say Mariah holds longer notes than Celine andyou give examples with NO long notes like EmotionsWhat a fool.3.You say Celine never influenced anyone. Well…saythis to Garou , Delta Goodrem , Charice , Lara Fabian(her number 1 fan) to mention a few.Mariah influenced more and I said it before. You are sosick repeating the same things , while nobody claimsthe opposite ! You keep insisting that Mariahis a songwriter and that she influenced many people ,while NOBODY didn’t even imply the opposite !!!4.You call Celine’s nasality a handicap ? Sorry…buteven singers that are more nasal than Celine are creditedto be amazing vocalists. Eros Ramazzotti For Example.Moreover,check Celine’s last perfomance in Oprah tosee her voice sounded clear and pure even at low notes.She surprised me cause her perfomances of her TC Tourwere really nasal…for example the verses of Alone, All By Myself , Shadow Of Love etc.5.Celine is the most listened , awarded , influencialartist not only in France but every Francophone country.Her status and presitge as a fracophone singer evensuprasses Edith Piaf.6.Celine has stronger volume than Mariah like you admited, she holds longer notes live , she belts withoutstraining. Celine uses chest voice and Mariah headvoice. A Person using head voice could never belt andsustain long belted notes like a person that beltsusing a chest voice. You are trully an ignorant.Mariah uses head voice all the way and this is whyshe excells in melismatic singing and vocal runs andwhislte notes and agility.Don’t take Celine’s advantages the wrong way.Try to LEARN something from this debate.7.I NEVER Brought LISTS Here to prove Celine sold more.Don’t you get shamed of supporting a lie like thatwhile everyone can open my links ? The links I broughtwere info from awards or labels or IFPI / RIAA oru tube videos or magazines (because you asked formagazines) ect ! I NEVER Brought lists I found on therandomly on the internet.8.This debate is over long ago when I posted here as”Unison” and you couldn’t even reply with links butsaid instead ”my arguments are enough” ! ha ha !and then I asked where do you support ur arguments andyou replied ”from detailed data” and YOU ARE STILLUNABLE TO SHOW Detailed Datas in orded to make me stop.Why ? Because these ”data” DON’T EXIST.It is nowhere proven that Mariah sold 300m records.You claim Mariah sold that much and Celine sold 200mrecords and before you had said that Mariah and Celineare neck by neck in total record sales ! Ha ha ha !You are a big fat uneducated ignorant liar and nothingmore..!9.You are not even a good debatur.You say”Mariah sold 300m records and this is proved bydetailed datas as everything prove it. Wikipedia ,World Music Awards , IFPI , Media , Magazines thatclaim Celine sold more are partial , biased andfalsified.”How easy is that ? Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha !!!I Will reply on the same – LOW – Level just like you.So…”Celine sold more than Mariah as detailed datasproved it as everyone knows. Millennium Awards , RIAAand Her Diamond Award are biased and irrelevant” !Ha Ha Ha Ha !!Of course I could never support this theory causeI don’t suffer from IQ Deficiency.Have a nice weekend ! xD looloo says: February 26, 2011 at 6:26 am@TRISH It’s vocal technique terminology. If you can’t understand, so what you know about vocal technique or music? Nothing, right? So let it be. It’s my technical view nothing more. If you don’t like it, read books about vocal technique and correct me.In terms of technique Celine is in her own league. In terms of music, it’s about subjective taste.PS: I do not said that “curbling” is worse that other modes. They are all equal. Curbling is more use in R&B/Gospel, Overdrive more in rock/metal/pop/reggae, belting in rock/gospel/metal/opera, neutral almost everywhere.For more information read this: completevocalinstitute.com/?q=en/Vocal-Technique/Four-vocal-modes LuckyLuke says: February 26, 2011 at 6:27 am@ According To Nielsen Soundscan : A New Day Has Come sold3.5m In Us and TEOM 5.9m ! Inform yourself.Moreover A New Day Has Come sold more than TEOM worldwidecause it sold more In Europe , Canada , Oceania , Africa.Even if we judge based on certifications we getTEOM -> 6m Us , 1m Eur , 200k Japan , 70k Australia ,300k Canada -> 7.6mA New Day Has Come -> 3m , 3m Europe , 150k Japan ,150k Australia , 600k Canada -> 6.9mPlus Celine sold more in N.America and Africa causeher album charted so much better and higher there.It debuted at number 1 in over 20 countries around theglobe ! (Not just European Markets)Even if you compare them in Asia you see they are equalthere, cause TEOM’s success is NOTHING beside Mariah’s90’s albums.So don’t even think of saying it soldmore than 2m in Asia ! Lmao ! 200k come only from Japan.FINALLY , I don’t know why you insist on this.Even If TEOM sold more does this change much ?NO !You have 166m albums for MC and 184m for Celine ! Ha ha !Celine’s sales are not a myth. They are provedby every source you search.Inform yourself on real sales !Now…have a great weekend , pressed xD !!! LuckyLuke says: February 26, 2011 at 10:12 am@ LoolooI don’t know about technique terminology etc ,but I haveposted my opinion that Celine uses chest voice and Mariahhead voice,which makes it easier for Celine to beltout strong,long notes…On the other hand I think that Mariah ,since she useshead voice ,can do many vocal tricks easier such asmelismatic singing,vocal runs etc…Is what I claim right or wrong ? ? ? Sonia says: February 26, 2011 at 11:16 amCeline has 134 #1’s album worldwide. How many has Mariah? looloo says: February 27, 2011 at 7:08 am@ LuckyLuke Hi, it’s all about breath control and support. How good you manage your breathing. Mariah does not sing with her “real” voice. She sing in “falsetto”, but this term is unfortunate, because have a lot of meanings. In low and middle register she almost whisper and is always breathy. It’s can be caused by bad suport or her nodules. But her speaking voice seems good, so I think, that it is bad support or combination. Her upper register or “belting” register; she uses clasic R&B or Soul style (curbing), but again she uses too much air, it’s breathy and very streasfull for vocal cords. She is trying to be powerful, but she doing it badly. Her all high notes are in “falsetto” including “whistle”. Her whistle are special and breathy as well, but it’s very easy for her to achiave this register. I think that it’s caused by her nodules, because, nodules of vocal cords causing a triangular shape, which is good for achieving the whistle. Mariah suffers from her early training. Her mother teach her operatic technique with stable larynx, etc, but Mariah always lack of proper support and it’s the worse thing.Her melismatic style or vocal runs are only stylistic things. It’s nothing difficult. It’s good thing to hide lack of support. In essence, the R&B style is easy, because you don’t need vocal training and proper support on high level. In fact, mostly: worse control = more vocal runs.Terminologie “chest voice” or “head voice” is not accurately so I won’t use it (it’s all about subjective sensations of singer and timbre deepness).Celine has great breath control, but she has health problems with lung (asthma, alergy) so it’s very unstable (during her career). Celine sing very powerfully until Eb5/E5, because she uses a lot of overdrive just like Whitney (Whitney sing very powerfully until D5). Celine does not use curbing above her overdrive limit. Therefore, someone says that she can not sing Soul style. It’s true, she is more rock singer than soul singer. Instead she uses real belting (edge), it’s more sharp and loud. Other belter are eg. Aretha Franklin or Steven Tyler. But Aretha uses curbling as well. The biggest Celine’s problem was her tongue posture (french habit), how I wrote early, but it had no effect on health (only sound, sometimes “nasal”). ——————————————————– How to recognize a great singer (vocally): – can sustain note without warbling, changing volume, changing pitch (Celine, Barbra). – has great vibrato control (like Whitney, Celine, Leona). Singer without control are very good perceivable (eg. Beyonce) – can sing very softly (pianissimo), mean softly not breathy – can sing legato properlyQuestion: Did Mariah sing sometimes softly and at length (legato)? Something like this: youtube.com/watch?v=jnXNt4fJqj4 LuckyLuke says: February 27, 2011 at 9:37 am@ LoolooHi and Thanks For The Info…Celine indeed doesn’t sing soul or rnb genres.She exells at pop,rock,blues (Le Ballet , Tous LesBlues Sont Ecrites Pour Toi) and classicaly influencedsongs.This is why she sang next to many tenors(Lucciano Pavarotti , Bocelli) or ”pop tenors”(Groban , Il Divo , Canadian Tenors , Florent Pagny) !!Mariah sings better soul,rnb.Overall I prefer Celine’s voice.Besides,as of 2011 Celine’s voice inundeniably in a better shape,despite the fact that sheuses her voice 100 times more than Mariah,cause of hertours and multiple CD releases in two languages.Mariah gets credit as a better voice,because rnb andhip hop music is relevant nowadays and as we knowMariah influenced these genres..! She takes credit dueto the ”Rnb-Diva” status and is included in listsof magazines higher than Celine,because fans vote !She is just more ”mainstream” than Celine and this iswhy the masses in Us tend to support Mariah more.Besides these lists are so biased that even ChristinaAguilera – The noise of her generation – is included !!Finally , to answer you question , the only song thatcomes to my mind from Mariah is ”Looking In”…butstill her low notes are not as soft as Celine’s in ”TheFirst Time Ever I Saw Your Face”.PS. I Also Loved Celine’s pure and soft voice in thisvideo too. She still got it :-Dyoutube.com/watch?v=P85g3U_c0g8 TRISH says: February 27, 2011 at 10:28 am@ everyone : I am very busy those days.I’ll reply to your posts when I’ll have a few times.Bye ! looloo says: February 27, 2011 at 12:54 pm@ LuckyLuke You’re welcome. Thanks for video, Mariah sings nice, but it’s still her R&B style. She can’t sustain straight note (omnipresent mutation).You have right. Mariah is more “in” these days with her music, but only somewhere. Here in Europe, Mariah has never been very popular (meant to be the same level as Celine). The last few years is European music market the biggest (even bigger than U.S.), so I do not care about the U.S. market much.I personally don’t like pop, rnb and all these mainstream things. Celine has special tone quality in her voice, but I don’t listen her music. I’m not fan, but I respect her as a person and I can say without hesitation that she is the best/greatest mainstream female singer in history.Just read this: (torontosun.com/entertainment/2011/02/26/17421701.html). True legend. LuckyLuke says: February 27, 2011 at 4:35 pm@ LoolooYes,I know ! It is pretty much amazing and this is whyI wrote a whole post before (Post 143)on her unique contribution not only to the”entertainment factor” but also the economyof Vegas. Celine’s contribution as a singer is proved bythe fact that she is a standard/icon for allAdult Contemporary singers since 1981 and mainly becauseof her 90’s success,along with Mariah of course.Her impact as a performer is proved by the link youposted here.Her shows is the bar all other artistscompare to and it is proven it even affects the economythere.Finally her impact/contribution as afrancophone artist is incomparable.She is the mostsuccessful,awarded,listened Francophone artist ever.On top of that she sings french songs during all herconcerts…In Africa,Japan,Australia,Usa !! Moreovershe is credited for bringing French songs from musicalStarmania into the mainstream scene. Plus she coverednumerous French songs in English !! (Ten Days ,The Greatest Reward,Fly,I Don’t Know,Je T’AimeEncore) ! She is the most significant French artist inhistory of music and this is not my opinion.It is aworldwide fact.Give a try to her francophone records such asS’il suffisait D’aimer , D’eux , D’elles…her songsin French are really sophisticated , deep andintrospective !! Her voice sounds better in French too.More pure and I think she has better control , mainlycause of her accent.You Have To Listen To This ->youtube.com/watch?v=YJFUbSvmGRAHer Voice was tired during her latest tour and reallynasal but it is so restful,soft now ! She is back !!! :-D@ TRISHNo need to reply.There is no way we will ever agree,there is no way a ”solution/answer” will be given tothis debate,as long as you talk about ”vocal handicap”and ”comedian moves”. Get rid of your POISON,and comeback to talk in a reasonable/decent base again. Momo says: February 28, 2011 at 8:58 amLooloo, don’t be a hater.Mariah’s voice is better than Celine’s,no matter your technical terminologies.Just listening their songs and anyone will see that.Every great vocal experts claimed it,every worldwide institutions claimed it: Guinness,Rillings Stones,Blender,etc… Even Celine’s owns fans recognize it.So,it’s useless to deny it by technical terminologies since everyone can listen their musics.Their songs talk by thelmselves without any interpretations.Mariah’s voice is unreacheable ! it’s undeniable !About sales,I have to add that Mariah sold more than Celine since she’s the best selling artist overall of 1990’s,the very most successful decade with sales over 100 million albums.Whereas Britney is the best selling female artist in 2000’s with sales below 100 million albums sold in 2000 decade.How Celine could ever sold more than Mariah ? It’s not logical ! It’s simply impossible.Mariah outsold Celine ! MOFF says: February 28, 2011 at 1:34 pmno. Calculate their album sales and don’t decrease of increase anything. Madonna outsold Celine, Celine outsold Mariah, Mariah outsold Whitney. LuckyLuke says: February 28, 2011 at 5:24 pm@ Momo (Lmao)We should forget technical terminology and startbelieving lists of magazines and ”just listen to theirmusic” ?How old are you bitch ? 12 ? 14 ?When we say that Celine belts better than Mariah andthat Mariah uses melisma better IT IS OBVIOUS THATWE HAVE LISTENED TO THEIR SONGS !!Stop trying to brainwash us and change our minds.On Sales,Mariah didn’t sell more worldwide in the 90’s you fool !She sold more DURING the 90s , because Celine’s albumswere calculated in early 00s , since her best sellerswere released in late 90s.Mariah’s best sellers cameout in early 90s so her sales were clear by 1999-2000..!And this is why she got the award in 2000 !This decade Celine is the 2nd best selleraccording to Billboard,only behind Britney..!Plus she is more times awarded for her global sales , inrecent years , unlike MC ! She has got every worldwideand local distinction there is for her sales.Any local award in Asia for MC proving the level ofher sales ? Answer : NO !Any detailed data or certifications from there ?Answer : NOWell…come back WHEN YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO PROVE :DYou all boast about Mariah’s World Music Awards but youseem to forget that World Music Awards announced 150malbums for MC in 2003 and 175m albums for Celine in 2004,after all her late 90s sales were counted..!And after record sales , let’s not forget who is ableto sellout stadiums and sell dvds.Celine outsels Mariah in everything,even perfumes ! LOL !Finally,if you really want us to believe TRISH and Momoare not the same person , stop using same words andphrases such as ”anyone will see that” , ”vocalexpert” , ”since everyone can listen” ! Lmao !This exact same process of thought and dumb thinkinglike TRISH !You are a laughable pathetic troll and nothing more.Get lost. TRISH says: March 1, 2011 at 11:36 am@Lucky Luke: Hahaha ! you and your boys made me laugh Mariah usually holds long notes ! I don’t dislike Celine as I am her fan,I am simply objective.Admit it ,Celine beltings sound like a crowing rooster beside Mariah’s skillful , beautiful and graceful belts ! If Celine got particular voice ,I got particular voice too ! Moreover,I could sing in three different langagues So,I am even a more influencial female artist than her ! Hahahaha! I repeat : Celine is a very great artist on stage and a good comedian ! That’s all ! She really amuse people on stage.So,she’s really great ! You look more like a fool than me when you seduce every male person who integrate this debate, what don’t you ashamed, slut ? Celine’s French songs impress you just because you know nothing on French language.You’re border in English language ,that’s why any average song in a different language ( from your idol of course ) sounds extraordinary and amazing in your ears ! Every French language persons who relly knows Celine’s impact in French music would laugh at you ! For example ,you’re apparently very impressed by Celine’s Le Blue Du Businessman ,that you always cite.etc… However,Except for the frequent beltings inside this song,this song have nothing special ! Celine’s voice is even not as good as it usually sound in her other songs ! Her voice even sound relatively too bitter in these song ! And you cited I drove All Night ,as one the Celine’s songs having her strongest beltings ! Stupid ! Moreover, what about vocal BEAUTY ? ? Do you think a voice can be good or beautiful only if it can make powerful belts ( I don’t mean Celine’s voice isn’t good ) ? If Cher or Tina or Britney could hit powerful notes and belts, would you think their voices are as beautiful or as good as other artists ? Celine has stronger volume than Madonna,Lady Gaga,Britney Spears and Cher. Sometimes,Madonna’s voice even sound more beautiful than Celine’s , even though Celine always got volume and power over Madonna’s voice.Compare Like A Virgin, Like A Prayer, Vogue ,Hung Up,La Isla Bonita with Celine’s Love Can Move Mountains, Misled, I Drove All Night, One Heart,Declaration Of Love,Treat Her Like A Lady,etc… Those Madonna’s vocal performances sound better ! Beyonce’s voice sound more beautiful than Celine’s in many of her songs.For one example, compare Beyonce’s The Star Spangled Banner to Celine’s version. Celine’s version sows just power and volume over Beyonce’s .Beyonce’s shows more vocal beauty ,including smoothnes,flexibility,sweetness,versatility,feminity,allure,grace,etc… Just vocal power and volume can’t determine the superiority of a voice.Tha’s why Christina’s voice is voted as better than Celine’s. The two undeniable queens of vocalists in musical history, stay WHITNEY HOUSTON and MARIAH CAREY ,that master not only vocal power and volume,but many many other vocal assets ! Mariah got very soft songs ,that are much more soft than Celine’s :Mariah’s most soft song is The Wind . Her other soft songs include Fourth Of July,Bliss, Music Box, Looking In, Vanishing,etc… About sales,you never,ever proved anything showing Celine could ever equals Mariah on sales dear honey ! I am tired to give proves showing that Mariah sold over 300 million records worldwide and Celine about 195- 205 million records worldwide ! @ Looloo: Nobody give a sh*t about your “technique terminology” People doesn’t need to read a stupidities about your “vocal technique” or your technique terminology and interpret them in favor of their favorite artist.Everyone got ears ! The most objective sense which can make very good and fair judgements ! Mariah voice is a billion times better than Celine’s.Of course you respect Celine and you like her ( though you’re not her fan ),your statements already show that . Oh ! I forgot: You are an European and Europeans hate Mariah naturally as claimed Shut Up.Mariah’s voice is better,Leave with it hater !Sorry, Mariah is not thin yet.So,you’ll never notice any talent in her ,cause unlike Celine,Mariah doesn’t got a nutcase tongue and doesn’t release nasal emotions .It’s useless to give your opinion here,nobody will swallow your “technique terminology” .It can’t elude us ! The question is who have a better voice among Mariah and Celine ? The obvious Answer is : Mariah carey have the better voice.Only Mariah haters and stupid ignorants try to claim the opposite ! Looloo, you can’t play the “vocal expert” game here,cause I’m here! Bye bye ! @ Sonia:Of course gurl,Celine had released about 50 albums but she have 134 # 1 albums ! hahahaha! Why not 500 or 1000 # 1 albums ? Anyway ,Mariah has sold more albums than Celine ! LuckyLuke says: March 1, 2011 at 1:45 pm01.No TRISH… I Don’t accept it. Celine is a betterbelter.Her beltings are always longer,sharper,stronger and she has better control of her voicewhen she belts.02.Moreover…I never said Celine was more influencialbecause she sings in different languages.You should learn how to read and not get confused bymy posts as I am always clear. I repeat again :I Never said ”Celine is more influencial becauseshe sings in different languages”. Besides, I don’teven think Celine is more influencial than Mariahso there is no way I would ever base my point on”different languages” !!03.I have the ability of seducing people in debates.I take this as a compliment :-) You seem to forget thatwe don’t fight over who will get the more supporters.And to be honest, I don’t care fighting over skills likeI told you many times in the past. I am here to talkabout sales,like I did from my very first comment.But since you feel the need to talk about skills…Here I am !!04.You say Celine is a comedian and amuses people.Thisis not wrong.This phrase is correct.Celine fillsstadiums because of her voice / hit songs / performingskills / personality / comedian moves.05.How do you know I don’t speak French ? Of course,I do.Besides,something you don’t know about me is thatI pay much more attention to the lyrics of a songthan the music.This is the number 1 reason I am aMariah fan..! Because she is the most successfulsongwriter I know.05.Of course I Drove All Night has many beltings andmany long notes. Le Blues Du Businessman is almost theFrench equivalent Of ”All By Myself”.But why do you care about this song so much ?Celine’s impressive notes are shown in countlesssongs. I am even bored to mention them.Vocal BEAUTY —> Subjective. Next —>Vocal SKILLS are OBJECTIVE.You mention ”smoothnes,flexibility,sweetness,versatility,feminity,allure,grace,”for Beyonce…Ok I can mention these adjectives andeven more for Celine.This won’t lead us anywhere.Soft Songs -> L’Amour Existe Encore , S’il SuffisaitD’aimer , The First Time Ever I Saw Your Face , Fly ,Skies Of LA ETC.You think you just proved anything by babblingthe same phrases ? Nooooooope..!06.I never saw people laughing at Celine when sherecieved awards by the prime minister of France.I never saw people laughing at Celine when it wasannounced she owns the TWO best selling French albumsin History of music. I never saw people laughingwhen Celine was announced to be the most played artistof the 90s DECADE in France. I never saw peoplelaughing when Celine performs french songs during hertours. I never saw people laughing when Celine recievedNON-francophone awards for francophone records. I neversaw people laughing at Celine when she was recognisedfor her contribution to French culture by officialawards.07.About sales. You never gave proof as what you claimCONTRADICTS with World Music Awards (150m for MC by2003) , Columbia Records (130m by 2000) ,Island Def Jam (2010) , Her Official Sites.PLUS You gave no certifications.PLUS no certifications and local awards from Asia.Nothing.So you proved nothing. Try again next time. LuckyLuke says: March 1, 2011 at 6:18 pmPS. -> Aguilera is a D-Class ”singer” that only knowshow to scream.She has the skills but never learned how touse them correctly.She sounds like a man.She strainsevery time she tries to belt out a song,mainly inlive perfomances.Check how she was OFF KEY during theNation anthem.Celine has never been ”Off Key” ,singing WRONG notes,so you can’t compare them.Celine is in the business over 30 years and has NEVERsang in the wrong key,just screaming and straining toimpress the audience.Ignorants were impressed by Aguilera KILLING the song”It Is A Man’s Wolrd” at Grammy’s,cause the massesare easily impressed by loud screams.Screamtina will never ever ever be in a Celinelevel.Celine has more control,better low notes,a FEMALE voice full of grace. Even when Celine soundsreally nasal (Early years and TC tour mainly) she isbetter than Xtina.Being Voted by people means nothing asAguilera is credited the ”voice of her generation” !How can this be when Beyonce is out there ? this isBEYOND ME. She takes this biased title only because hergeneration SUCKS ! It is full of untalented peoplethat dominate the charts -> Kesha , Katty Perry , Rihanna(I mean vocally untalented when I say ”untaleneted”)But still I don’t know how Christina is considered the BESTvoice beside Beyonce,Leona Lewis,Kelly Clarkson,JessicaSimpson.Moreover lists are so unreliable.You probably know thatCeline’s perfomance of ”My Heart Will Go On” at GrammyAwards is considered the 2nd BEST perfomance in theHistory of Grammy Awards !!Thinking of this fact, I laugh so hard becausein REALITY , this happens to be THE WORST perfomanceof this song.youtube.com/watch?v=off40peMvvAListen to 4.09 —> ”Nooo othing I fear” and4.28 —> ”ForeeEEever” ! This is the definitionof ”STRAINING” !!!Still ignorants actually VOTED this version, praisingher vocals… -.-‘One of my favorite you tube videos ever.youtube.com/watch?v=4JfkxKR_mKwPlease don’t mention her again. I already feel the needto vomit. When I read her name I remember some of herstans saying she could whistle better than MC !! :-ODon’t drop yourself to this level. You have highstandards by supporting Mariah , Whitney , Beyonce ,Madonna , Celine…That’s enough. Talk about Floptinaunder topics such as ”Dogs Need Entertainment” !!! LuckyLuke says: March 2, 2011 at 5:05 am@ Finally,you don’t know ANYTHING about ”techniqalterminology” and this is why you react like a scaredpuppy at Looloo’s knowledge. ”It can’t elude us” ,”read a stupidities about your “vocal technique” ” ,”can’t play the “vocal expert” game here,cause I’mhere!” , ”Everyone got ears,The most objective sensewhich can make very good and fair judgements”,”Europeans are Mariah haters”.—> Yes TRISH. We have ears ! What we say is based onour ears. You DARE to answer to ”technical terminology”with CHILDISH arguments. According to you (And Momo)We should forget technical terminology and startbelieving lists of magazines and ”just listen to theirmusic” !! Uhmm…how old are you ? 14 ?When we say that Celine belts better than Mariah andthat Mariah uses melisma better IT IS OBVIOUS THATWE HAVE LISTENED TO THEIR SONGS !!You are here like the ultimate obsessed Mariah fan andyou are obviously partial and biased in favor of her ,trying to give her proffesional and vocal assets shedoesn’t possess,such as ”dncing skills” , or”powerful,strong beltings”…On top of that you keep responding based on yoursubjective opinion and this is why you use subjectivenouns and adjectives / words”better,beautiful,dry,sour,calm,sweet” etc.Nothing shocking,really.I can put same words and evenmore in favour of Celine.Nothing hard.Nothing special. LuckyLuke says: March 4, 2011 at 7:09 amYou said :”Of course gurl,Celine had released about 50 albums butshe have 134 # 1 albums ! hahahaha!”You seem to forget that Celine’s 14 English releasesalone,suprass Mariah’s 19 English releases when itcomes to amount of peak positions (Number 1s), becauseCeline is popular in both big and micro markets,unlikeMariah,that reaches number 1 in Us (6 Number 1s there)and sometimes Australia and Canada.Celine has 14 Number 1s in France,12 Number 1s InCanada,4 Number 1s In Us,12 Number 1s in Belgium ,12 Number 1s In Switzerland,5 Australia,5 In UK ,6 In Norway and Netherlands and so on…What you said about Celine’s 50 albums is TOTALLYIRRELEVANT !Still,to be fair, number 1 albums prove nothing at all,because an album can peak at number 8 and still sellmore copies than a number 1 album.All in All , Mariah has less number 1s and less recordssold. Celine is ahead in album sales , DVD sales andticket sales & residensy shows.Celine has taken partinto commercially or critically successful soundtracks,while Mariah is credited for Film disasters and flops.On your comment ”Anyway Mariah has sold more !!”—-> ZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzZZZZZzzzzz !!! TRISH says: March 5, 2011 at 10:11 amNo,Mariah is a better belter than Celine ! Celine just belts more often than Mariah cause this is the only vocal asset she got . Furthermore,The Voice ( Mariah Carey ) have much more better control than Celine in her belts ! Celine haven’t control at all of her belts beside The Voice ! That’s why Celine can hit only straight belts ,and cannot sing her belts unlike The Voice !That’s also why Celine can play only with the volume of her belts,while Mariah is able to embellish her belts by many many particular vocal assets ! The Voice controls her belts so well that she can sing entire verses on belting unlike Celine ! And she also can deliver very complex and flexible melismas from her belts ! So it’s clear that she controls her belts better than Celine ! That’s also why Celine’s songs always sound the same and are Relatively easy to imitate unlike Mariah’s ! Mariah’s are much more challenging, by very far for any other vocalist ! About the strength of belts,Mariah beat Celine one more time,as I showed several times .There is many songs from Mariah that are cited here and who beat Celine’s on belting’s strength .So it’s useless to still talk about it . About the adjectives I used to cite for Mariah’s and Celine respective voices ,you lie ! You couldn’t cite the favorable adjectives I usually cite for Mariah for Celine cause they couldn’t match to Celine’s voice ! Hahahaha! You could use them for Celine only if the comparison was between Celine and Cher or Britney or another low-quality vocal artist ! However,Next to The ultimate voice,Celine’s voice sound really sour,dry,inflexible,stiff and all other adjectives I usually cited to her ,it’s undeniable !That’s doesn’t mean Celine’s voice is not good,this is only when Celine’s voice is putted next to to the greatest voice of all times : Mariah Carey’s voice! Mariah Carey ‘s voice Is so perfect, so unreachable ! A magical voice in all means ! You said vocal beauty is subjective? Good! So,the one who said Britney’s voice was better and more beautiful than Celine’s was right ! Don’t say that vocal beauty is subjective just because Celine’s voice is not beautiful ! You say : “ You use subjective nouns and adjectives / words ”better,beautiful,dry,sour,calm,sweet” etc. Nothing shocking,really.I can put same words and even more in favour of Celine.Nothing hard.Nothing special” Yes,you can put same words and even more in favor of Celine,but you couldn’t prove any of them by her songs ! Britney fans, Tina Turner fans,Lady Gaga fans,Cher fans,Rihanna fans,etc… can also write the same words but they couldn’t prove and back up it by the songs of their idols, just like you couldn’t for Celine .You said :“Yes TRISH. We have ears ! What we say is based on our ears”. Just ears of 2 persons (Looloo and you) among all the people of the whole world can’t challenge what the majority already admit ! You talk about ”technical terminology when it comes to Looloo, an amateur Celine’s supporter on a blog ? Hahahaha! Why do you say about professional experts from Guinness World Records? Blender Magazine ? Rolling Stones ? and all other organizations claiming Mariah the greatest voice ever and who even doesn’t rank Celine at the 5th place? Whitney Houston is always the second greatest voice behind Mariah in all these ranks ! Do you think that Looloo is better than all of them ? Hahahaha! So laughable ! Mariah is the greatest voice of all times according to everyone ! Celine isn’t the second not even the third nor the fourth ,but the ninth ! Celine is faaaaaaaaaaaaar behind Mariah ! Mimi is undeniably The number ONE ! So,it’s useless tryng to demand Celine’s voice equal Mariah’s ! Mariah stay The VOICE ! TRISH says: March 5, 2011 at 10:31 amIt’s useless tryng to say that Mariah gets credit as a better voice because R&B and Hip Hop music is relevant nowadays and that it’s because of fans votes ! This claim include a lot of contradictions ! In accordance with what you said before: 1-Celine is the most popular artist in USA ,so more popular than Mariah ( Harris poll ).Therefore, she would have more votes than Mariah there !However,Facts show the opposite ! So Celine is not really more popular than Mariah in USA ! 2-Celine sold more in USA this decade than Mariah ,that’s mean she would have more supporters on the vote than Mariah !However, there are most people who vote for Mariah,so Mariah have sold much more than Celine in USA this decade ! 3-Around 6 million of people had buy Celine’s expensive concert tickets this decade ,Celine is also able to fill stadiums in Us and everywhere else worldwide while Mariah can’t.However,they voted Mariah as best and ultimate voice ever ! So tours are not relevant to popularity,success nor skills. 4-Mainstream music in USA sucks nowadays ,that’s why Celine’s label doesn’t care about it for Celine,and rather made Celine improve herself as a AC singer .However,you say Mariah top the lists cause fans vote for Mariah as a R&B diva cause R&B is relevant nowadays ! 5-You asked “ where are Mariah’s fan base nowadays ? “,but you rightly answered yourself this question by your recent post ! hahahaha! CONCLUSION : You indirectly mean that Mariah still have much more fans than Celine worldwide ! ( not only American people had vote for Mariah ) Mariah carey is not only the greatest voice of the world ( voted by her own fans,but also by Celine’s fans who buy her concert tickets in North America and who voted Celine as their favorite artist ).Mariah is also more popular than Celine in USA ( you imply it unvoluntary ).Mariah still also have a strong fan base,and sold more than Celine in USA ! You see,honey ? You contradict all your previous lies by your recent claims ! Hahahah! TRISH says: March 5, 2011 at 10:34 amLucky Luke: I think you react like a polite puppy at Looloo’s “technical terminology” since he favor Celine in it,by he’s subjective interpretations.Lucky Luke ,are you Looloo’s lawyer ? If you’re not,let him reply my posts towards him by his own ! I didn’t accuse him on what I wrote ,I proved it in accordance with his own claims ! Everything Looloo claimed here in his statements and comparisons on Celine’s and Mariah’s voices proves that he don’t really know Mariah ‘s voice at all ! Nevertheless,he jumped here and started to claim by his “ technical terminologies “ that Celine’s voice was healthier than Mariah’s ! In accordance to Looloo ,everything Mariah usually does vocally ( including melismas ,R&B vocal style ,etc…) are easy to do while Celine’s straight ,stiff and predictable belts are of course difficults ! !! What a stupid joke !There is only Looloo and you whom think so in the whole world ! That’s also why he didn’t even know that Mariah has sung songs that are much more soft than Celine,whereas he stated that Mariah used only curbling in upper register unlike Celine ! Obviously,He also don’t know Mariah’s powerfullest songs nor strongest beltings while he post his partial statements in favor of Celine here . Every Europeans who take part on these forums ( except for me fortunately ) show a hostility toward Mariah Carey,specially when MC is compared to Celine Dion or to Madonna ! They ALWAYS does ! They even doesn’t try to hide it ! Even if one of them claim he’s not a Celine’s or Madonna’s fan,he still show a personal preference for these women over MC and express to them more sympathy, more respect,etc… As if Celine and/or Madonna were the only female artists who collect everything combined over any other female artists : talent,particular voice, sales, skills, popularity, impact in music, contributions,etc… Female Music hang aroung only these 2 ladies in Europe ( Madonna and Celine ) ,but not everywhere else in the world fortunately ! The rest of the world is more objective and obviously more open-minded than Europe ,and they can appreciate the music and the talent of much more female artists ,regardless of stupid and petty criterions !For them, the beauty and the quality of the art is more important than all the rest. I am sure ,if Europeans would rank the 10 ,the 20 or even the 100 best and greatest voices of the world in a list ,Mariah wouldn’t be in their list at all !Otherwise,They could rank Mariah only at an insignificant rank ,on a list of 100 greatest voices ! If every other peoples ( Americans,Asians,Latin Americans,Oceanians,etc…) were like Europeans,only Celine Dion and Madonna would be huge international female artists,and would be considered as the greatest and the ultimate respectable divas in the world !Any other female artists would be even close to them ,wether they would be much more talentuous,wether they would have much more impact on music,etc..That’s also mean that a such talented, gifted musical genius as Mariah Carey would be wasted,and many average/unskilfull female vocalists and untalented artists would ride roughshod over Mariah’s so extraordinary and so beautiful and skilful God-given voice by their successes and acclamations ! Unthinkable ! It’s very stupid to compare Celine’s voice wiith Mariah’s ! About the size of European market, Celine and Madonna are the only female to have 1 diamond album each,in Europe ( even Nana Mouskouri,the so-called best-selling European female artist haven’t ) ,while America got a countless number of female artists having Diamond albums : Toni Braxton,Carole King,Barbra Streisand,Britney Spears,Dixie Chicks,Shania Twain,Mimi,Whitney Houston,Cher,Alanis Morissette,Madonna,Celine Dion,etc… !There are even many of these women that have 2 diamond albums ,in USA ! Besides,even the artists making “ mainstream crap music “ like you usually call their work ,have Diamond certifications in USA .For example,the Rapper 50 Cent already owns 2 Diamond albums in US ( and he got popularity there only since 2002 )! There are innumerable others “ mainstream irrelevant artists “that are great sellers in USA.No wonder,USA is a huge and big market for everyone, not just for a certain “ club “ of artists . USA is undeniably a much bigger market than Europe by very very far !And USA still the greatest market by far ,till today ! Europe is a huge market only beside Africa,Oceania or Latin America (A part of American continent).Asia is a very bigger market than Europe although they doesn’t use a lot of western music ! Europe is a small market beside Asia !I could continue but I’ll leave at that . Bye ,A lot of Kisses 4 U ! TRISH says: March 5, 2011 at 10:41 amYou call me Troll ? You surely mean Celine Dion,cause she’s the only one troll among the artists we talk about here.Unlike her I am not ugly,nor wrinkled nor creep ! Also my voice and my tongue are straight and not damaged .Don’t think that I am an animal ,you make a mistake dear ass*ole cause unlike you who is a spoil and creep animal,I am a girl ! Moreover,my mom is not a pig unlike yours ! and I am not a creep dog unlike you. See ? Besides,unlike you who are always behind your PC,everyday and everytime,I got a life out of these blogs ,OK ? That’s why my answers are often not up to date ! Mimi sold over 300 million records worldwide ! Of course,I don’t signed in her Official Site since long ago because of haters like you who are disguished in “real fans” and decrease Mariah’s certifications and sales even in her own Official Site ! That’s why you always said that you are a lamb although everyone notice in these debates how much you hate Mariah.It’s seems like you even hate Mariah more than Moff and Shutup ! Dear,You can say anything you want,but everything proves that Mimi outsold Madonna and Celine by huge difference ! You’re right,there is no internet page talking about Madonna Vs Celine as best selling female artist.But Madonna Vs The Voice ( Mariah Carey ).Celine is behind these 2 best selling female artists.On what do you base your arguments trying to demand Celine as one of the two best female seller artists? On her tours ? Hahahaha! As I already show, tours is the only,ONLY achievement Celine got as impressive relatively to other huge female artists ! That’s why you always talk about her tours and her concert Tickets !But about nothing else ! Contribution and mark on music ? Songwriting and producing skills ? Influence on international artist ? How Celine could ever sold as much as another artist who combine all those assets ? Because she amuse people on stage ? Hahahaha! It’s not enough very dear ! Celine is faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar behind The Voice on sales ! It’s not by nothing that Mimi has the greatest voice ever and is the greatest singer of all times !PS to every subjective europeans : Mariah Carey will be praised for her music on the future by you cause she will be as thin as Susan Boyle , as beautiful as Celine Dion and as classy as Madonna also as much a respectable lady as Madonna. Then she will collect all the assets these 3 female artists have ,and that she don’t have currently ! Your petty thoughts can’t change the fact that the VOICE is the best selling female artist of all times and the most talentuous artist ever !Have a beautiful week-End (not behind your PC…Lol !)! MOFF says: March 5, 2011 at 2:00 pmMadonna and Celine will be praised for their music as well, Trish. Why can’t Mariah fill stadiums even in the U.S. ? Poor Mariah. LuckyLuke says: March 5, 2011 at 6:52 pm01.You came back after 5 days to insist ? Ok !I INSIST TOO ! Celine is a better belter than Mariah.Mariah uses more often melisma and vocal runs andwhistles which are rather smart ways to decorate a songthan real singing.Celine uses powerful beltings in many songs-> All By Myself , The Power Of Love , I Drove All Night, My Heart Will Go On , I Surrender. (Mention a few)Celine has up tempo songs ranging from reggae to pop andrnb or rock such as Treat Her Like A Lady , Sorry ForLove , Love Is All We Need ,Dans Un Autre Monde , TenDays where her vocals are shown.Celine has many songs proving she can hit low noteseffortlessly such as Where Is The Love , Tu Nages ,Berceuse , If I were you. & PROVED by her latestperfomances of ”Lullaby (Goodbye,My Angel)” in Oprahand ”Smile” at the Oscars.02.Of course I can mention many adjectives for Celine’svoice over Mariah’s but this is only my OPINION.Nothing more.Vocal beauty is subjective. This is why EVERY singer hassome fans…even the untalented ones.If people like Britney’s voice over Celine’s GOOD FORTHEM !! I don’t mind at all.The only thing I can’t understand is why they haveto post it under the ”Celine vs Mariah” debate..!This is what annoyed me in the past.I could many adjectives to praise Celine’s voicebut still this is my OPINION.There are people that don’tstand her voice.Same goes for Mariah.03.The majority,dear,as of 2011 thinks Celine is theonly vocalist of the big 3 (Whitney,Celine,Mariah)that kept her voice in a great shape. The majoritythinks Mariah can’t hold a candle next to Celinevocally nowadays , which is obviously NOT RIGHT,cause they think based on some bad perfomancesof Mariah such as ”I’ll be there” the MJ funeral.So don’t use the ”majority” argument on me,because FACTS prove that the majority prefers Celinishalbums and the mahjority pays money to attend Celinishconcerts. The ”majority” arguments is really anepic fail.So forget about the majority.04.Proffesional Experts from magazines ? Ha ha ha !!This is why it is IMPOSSIBLE to even discuss with you !!You are going to swallow everything posted in magazines!These lists are fan made.– Stop writing ”hahahha” after each phrase causeyou seem retarded. –05.A)The Harris Poll you fool was about AdultContemporary artists and ages over 30 !! Mariah isconsidered an Rnb artist since 1997..! Wake up ! Yourfirst argument is DOWN.B)Mariah has sold much more records in total compared toCeline in Us…Even in this decade…Celine suprassedher in ALBUM sales in Us,not records in total.So Mariah has more supporters even after the Memoirs andMXS2U Flopped.Second Argument DOWN.C)The fact that Mariah can’t sell out in Us is rather aproof that she not a great performer ! I never impliedshe can’t fill stadiums because of her voice…Your 3rdargument fails.D)Mainstream music indeed sucks because it is filled witheasy listening songs with no vocal demands. STILL, Mariahwas able to SHINE this decade with vocal albums likeTEOM !! She is indeed a great mainstream rnb diva,so itis logical that the masses that buy magazines willsupport her.4th argument FAILS.E)Mariah has a fan base…but it is obvious her fan baseis sleeping OR is not impressed by her effoerts. This istrue ! As of 2011 her fan base is nowhere. Finalargument to prove I contradict is gone…!!RESULT —> You create contradictions OUT OF YOUR MINDLet me be CLEAR once again—> Mariah is more popular than Celine In Us ! She hasa strong fan base there consisting of younger peoplecompared to Celine’s !Lists in magazines mean nothing at all..!Don’t fool yourself that vocal experts created theselists. Come on !!06.You are right that I shouldn’t answer forLooloo.Still,I agree in what he said.07.Now on Europeans…you seem to forget that the musicheard in Europe is 100 times more CLASSY than themusic in Us , for instance !!In Europe rock , dance pop , some rnb are popular genresUs market is filled with untalented rappersand cheap whores to be featured in songs just to makeforgettable hits.Maybe it’s time for you to migrate..!The only reason Mariah is not popular here is becauseshe is an rnb singer and rnb songs are not THAT popularin Europe.European’s don’t hate Mariah at all. She isrespected for her voice and hit vocal songs such as Hero, Without You , All I Want For Xmas Is U , Fantasywill always be remembered. She sold over 25m albums inEurope which makes her successful , just not to thelevel of Madonna and Celine , but this is whyMadonna and Celine do pop music.You also seem to forget that Africa and Canadaand N.America are markets were Celine ismuch more popular than Mariah…so take it easy..!08.Artists reaching Diamond in Us proves nothing aboutthe size of the market..! More sales come from Us..thisis true.But this is relevant why ?You forget that Us is a country while Europe isa continent. These markets – when it comesto music- are the same cause of their certificationlevels but people think Us is bigger becauseit is a country…not a continent !!So it is logical to be impressed that a countryequals a continent in music sales.Moreover if they way you think is correct…(that Us is bigger because more sales come from there)this means that Europe is much Bigger than Asia becuasea few sales come from there !! Mariah is the onlyartist to have so many million albums in Japan..!Besides , Japan is the only big market in Asia.Europe has THREE huge markets and it is soeasy to reach million there..! Just a2 Platinum certification is enough in Germanyto reach million in sales,while in Japan a 5 platinumcertification is needed to reach the 1 million mark.09.You call Celine troll ? ugly ? creep ? damaged ?Sorry but YOU ARE A HATER !!! :-)I Never said anything mean for Mariah…just that shedoesn’t belt like Celine and that she sold less records.This doesn’t make me a hater becuase her sales areproved by her labels,sites,awards and media..!You live in your own daydream where Mariah’s officialsites are not to be trusted because HER sites reduce hersales !! LMAO (Honestly , I laughed at this)10.Finally you say ”everything proves that Mimi outsoldCeline” Uhmm… everything ? what do you mean by that ?and before you reply ”detailed datas” explainwhat you mean by ”detailed datas”… :-)You won’t get over with me using generic phrases :)11.There are debates featuring Mariah because there is ahuge fight between Madonna and Mariah fans and a hugefight between Mariah and Celine fans.Madonna and Celinefans rarely argue..!Don’t base your argument on popdirt debates.This is justridiculous and laughable.12.I base my arguments that Celine isthe best seller over MCon her certifications that are also proved by awardsand posted all over the internet.Tours just confirm what I say.I already talked about her mark,influence oninternational artists.Celine doesn’t amuse people onstage.First she sings. Then the rest.Celine is far ahead Mariah in sales. It is not by nothingthat Celine has the strongest and most angelic voiceof all times ! (See ? I can do what you do easily)13.I don’t know why you still avoid facing the fact thatI said CLEARLY– Mariah is a vocal legend , – Mariah is my favoritesongwriter , – Mariah excells in melisma , whistle notesvocal runs , – Mariah is beautiful , – Mariah is a cannyproducer , – Mariah deserved all her awards – Mariahis a great influence on artist.I guess you have selective amnesia..! Tane says: March 6, 2011 at 9:24 pmmariah is way better….so be quiet about ur Celine Dion crap! Mariah Carey has sold more albums than Celine Dion as of from 1990 to 2010…Mariah Carey came out 10 years later tahts is why she is the top Tane says: March 6, 2011 at 9:34 pmokay trish and luke enough about all this nonsense Mariah Carey and Celine Dion have all been named the worlds biggest selling female artists of all time, the both got the diamond awards…but! Mariah Carey got the millenium award for biggest selling female artist of all time…so its obvious whos bettterbut worldwide sales are like even now both sellng over 200 million albums worldwide and over 60 million singles worldwide….celine has bigger concerts tours because Mariah Carey doesn’t really tour that much….but my opinioonMariah Careys voice is more unique no voice in the world can match hers and no one can do her riffs and runs they are to hard and difficuilt….MARIAH ALL THE WAYALL THIS CELINE CRAP, MOST OF ITS FAKE TO GET UR WAY OF WHOS BETTTER LUKE SO BACK OF AND LET THE QUEEN OF POP MC DO HER WORK!! LuckyLuke says: March 7, 2011 at 8:29 am@ TaneWake up and face reality ! Mariah got her 2003 forofficial sales of 150m albums and Celine in 2004 forsales of 175m albums ! Even after TEOM this differenceis not covered !Mariah got her 2000 award because she had her mostsuccess in early 90’s so her sales by 2000 were countedaccurately.Mariah had sold 130m albums by 2000.Celine had her success in LATE 90s and hersales of her blockbuster albums (These Are Special Times, Let’s Talk About Love , D’Eux , All The Way) werecounted after 2001 ! TO BE EXACT Let’s Talk About Loverecieved an award for its sales in 2003 ! Got that ?2003 !!You are the one that should stop spreading CRAP !You base you opinion on OLD awards while Celinehas way more recnet awards and many local awardsproving her sales even in micro markets.Moreover you say Celine outsels in Mariah in ticketsbecause Mariah doesn’t tour ! Oh really ?Put Celine and Mariah to pull out 100 concertsin the SAME arenas and you’ll see who sells out !!Celine outsels Mariah in tours because her voice asof 2011 is in a better shape & she possessesperforming skills Mariah would only dream of !!How can you call Mariah the queen of POP musicyou fool ? Mariah is an RNB Queen ! Nothing closeto pop music.Inform yourself on awards , titles and certifications& music genres and come back !!On your opinion about Mariah’s voice…well it isyour opinion and I respect it.PS -> You forgot to mention Dvd sales where Celineonce again slays Mariah. TRISH says: March 8, 2011 at 8:18 am@ Tane : I agree with you at 100 % ! @ Moff : Not as well as Mariah, since they haven’t Mariah’s exceptional talent ! Moff, Why can’t Celine has number 1 hits even in Eurochart ? Nor in the U.S. ? Why Madonna can’t influence artists by her singing style ? Poor Celine & Madonna. @ Lucky Luke: You came back just the same day to insist ? ( you even not took a break of a few days to make other things !!! What would you do with your life if there was no internet and no PC ??? ) Ok ! I INSIST TOO ! Mariah is a better live performer than Celine. Celine uses humorous tricks, friendly improvisations and comedic moves to amuse people and make them interested in her tours .Clever Celine ! It’s not bad , cause the public love it and is rightly entertained with Celine on stage . But Mariah’s vocal performances on stage are 100 times better than Celine’s ,although Celine entertains her public better with her tricks on stage.Mariah’s songs got much better belts than Celine’s ! -> Open Arms,Never Too Far, Without you , Lead The Way,Whenever You Call , Against All Odds , , Vision Of Love,The Star Spangled Banner, (Mention a few) To the Celine’s level,Britney, Rihanna,Cher,Janet, J-Lo,etc… have all up tempo songs ranging from reggae to pop and rnb or rock such as You Drive Me Crazy, I’m A Slave For You, The Power,Everytime,Love Don’t Cost A thing, Strong Enough, Runaway, Umbrella,Believe, , Rude Boy,etc…. Like Celine, all these girls have many songs proving they can hit low notes effortlessly such as I’m Not A Girl, We All Sleep Alone, I Found Someone,Control, Waiting For Tonight,Let’s Get Loud, Love Is The Groove,etc… However,Beyonce,Mary J Blige and Toni Braxton kills Celine Dion on vocal flexibility .Knowles and Braxton also kills Dion on ability to hit low notes ! Celine could never hit Beyonce’s low notes in “ Bills Bills Bills,Halo,etc,or Toni Braxton’s low notes ,in any Braxton’s songs ( Unbreak My Heart, Breathe Again, Let It Flow,etc…) !Toni Braxton is the queen of low notes .She’s ranked behind Mimi cause ,only Mariah can beat Toni Braxton on low notes! Even Whitney Houston can’t. To the Mariah level: Whitney Houston is the only one vocalist collecting many significant vocal assets ( including the ability to hit low notes, singing on high notes ) and also great sing ability that make her the closest female artist to Mariah Carey vocally .Let’s see : – Best Powerful soulful ballad songs: Vision Of Love – One Moment In Time Butterfly – Didn’t We Almost Have It All Without You – I Will Always Love You Anytime You Need A friend – All The Man That I Need Till The End Of Time – I Have Nothing – Hottest/Powerfullests Pop/Rock dance songs :– Fantasy – How Will I Know – Emotions – I Wanna Dance With Somebody – You’re So Cold – Queen Of The NightBest Pop Gospel Songs: Fly Like A Bird /Jesus Oh What A Wonderful Child – Joy To The WorldBest Soft songsThe Wind – After We Make Love Loolkin’ In – I Believe In You And Me Underneath The Stars – Just The Lonely Talking AgainBest R&B SongsHoney – My Love Is Your LoveWe Belong Together – It’s Not Right But It’s OkayBoth have an very amazing and skilfull rendition of the National Anthem !Both share the best covering versions of some Chritmas SongsMariah WhitneyO Holy Night Joy To The WorldSilent Night Do You Hear What I HearO Come All Ye Faithfull Who Would Imagine A KingHark The Herald Angels Sing.Of course we can mention many adjectives for these female voices over Celine’s but this would be not just our OPINION,but also facts cause we can listen on them and notice many vocal assets and qualities they have over Celine ,even though Celine is a great and skilful vocalist.I agree, Vocal beauty is subjective. This is why EVERY singer has some fans…even the untalented ones. Anyone could use many adjectives to praise any female artist voice VOCAL BEAUTY is not subjective ! Vocal beauty is a fact ,cause we can notice the qualities and the abilities of voice.When these qualities are collected and combined very well ,they form vocal beauty .Don’t confound it with taste ! There is different vocal tastes,but,vocal beauty still undeniable.A Cher or a Britney’s fan wouldn’t say that Cher or Britney’s voice is more beautiful than Celine’s or than Beyonce’s .He would say that he PREFERS Cher or Britney’s voice ( cause it touch him better, etc…). albums and the majority buys Mariah’s singles and listen to her songs on radios airplay ! -Reliable sources from institutions like Guiness,Wikipedia,IFPI,etc ? Reliable datas sales from these partial institutions? Ha ha ha !! This is why it is IMPOSSIBLE to even discuss with you !! You are going to swallow everything posted in links and lists institutions ! These links and sources are partial.The Harris Poll you fool was about Every US artists ! The fact that Celine can’t have number 1 hit in major charts is a proof that her music is not as good as Mariah’s. D) Mainstream music doesn’t sucks ,since there are people who love it .It’s just your opinion cause you already claim the contrary when you said that beauty is subjective ,and that’s why even untalented artists have fans that appreciate their stuff .Links in internet mean nothing at all..! Don’t fool yourself that sales experts created these links. Come on ! .Now on European,you said: “you seem to forget that the music heard in Europe is 100 times more CLASSY than the music in Us , for instance !!” You’re right ! That’s why Madonna is the most successful female artist there ! Madonna’s music is really more classy music than music from any other female artists ! That also why Eminem is so successful there ( more successful than Mariah Carey there ), cause his music is much more classy ! Rihanna already owns 5 # 1 in Eurochart, alongside a 6 year of career ( Mariah have only 1 # 1 there after 20 years of career ).Britney Spears,Lady Gaga,etc.. are currently all more successful in Europe than Mariah ( they have more # 1 hits there than Mariah and their average album/sale per year surpass Mariah’s by far ) .Yes,” Us market is filled with untalented rappers and cheap whores to be featured in songs just to make forgettable hits.” You just forget that Eminem is a rapper, and he is the living male artist having the most # 1 hits in Eurochart ! Although I know nothing on Rap music,I can say that Eminem is surely not the more talented rapper ever ! About the cheap whores you talk about Rihanna,Lady Gaga,Katty Perry,Britney Spears ( which is in the league of expensive whores since her huge success ) that top mainstream music in USA, they tops Mariah not only in USA,but ABOVE ALL in Europe ! Europe even supports these mainstream female artists more than Mariah !Moreover, Madonna started out like them ,in Pop music ( then she was a cheap whore ) .But now,she’s the greatest ( expensive ) musical whore that rules in Europe.USA supported Mariah’s debut as an extraordinary talented vocalist while Europe supported Madonna’s extravaguant stuff .So,you’re wrong .The music heard in Europe is not more classy than the music in US ! The only true difference is in the respective MUSICAL GENRES that rules in Europe and in USA : R&B/Hip Hop rules in US,while Rock and Dance Pop rules in Europe.But that’s doesn’t mean music heard in Europe is more classy !This is your opinion (Except for Mariah’s Hip Hop/R&B music ,I don’t like this musical genre. ,I prefer Pop generally.But I won’t say Pop is more classy than R&B ). Britney’s Pop music can’t be said more classy than Beyonce’s R&B music ! Madonna’s Pop music is not more classy than Mariah’s R&B music. Mariah is unpopular in Europe not just cause she’s an R&B singer. Even when Mariah made only Pop music,Europeans didn’t supported her like they supported other female artists like Madonna,Celine or even Whitney . Otherwise,how Merry Christmas European sales could ever stand at 1 million in Europe since 1994 ? Although Europeans love so much All I Want For Christmas Is You ? Merry Christmas is a pop album like most of 1990 Mariah’s albums.Mariah Carey, Emotions,MTV Unplugged EP,Merry Christmas,Butterfly,Rainbow,TEOM are all certified just 1 million sales each in Europe since their release until now! Either these albums are all undercertified,either Europeans just dislike Mariah Carey.Rihanna already owns 5 number 1 Hits in Eurochart.So,Europeans doesn’t dislike R&B music so much.I Want To Know What Love Is is an very amazing pop ballad song.If it was Celine who had release this single ,it would surely became a big Hit in Europe.If Europeans were really impartial,Mariah and Celine would sold approximately the same number of records in Europe,cause Celine’s vocal style and Pop music is very similar to Mariah’s . Besides,Europe even support Beyonce’s and Rihanna’s R&B songs much more than Mariah’s which is more talented vocally over these R&B singers ! Even Asia ( which is culturally very far to R&B/Hip Hop ) support Mariah’s R&B stuff much more than Europe .So,Europeans like any other female artists unlike Mariah Carey . What do you mean by Celine is more popular than Mariah in N.America ? ( North America mean USA + Canada ) Celine is more popular than Mariah only in Canada,Europe and Africa ,Mariah is more popular than Celine in USA,Latin America,Asia ( the largest continent,having more people than all other continents combined ) and Oceania ( except for Australia,that Celine have an insignificant advantage on albums sales over Mariah ).Globally, Mariah is more popular than Celine . …so take it easy..! Artists reaching Diamond in Us proves everything about the size of the market..! Cause albums doesn’t sold as much in Europe.Much more sales come from Us. This is true and this is very relevant Not only cause Us is a country while Europe is a continent. These markets – when it comes to music- are not the same just because of their same certification levels but European people think Europe equal US just because Platinum certifications mean 1 million sales in both markets.But Us is much bigger because albums reach platinum sales much more often in US than Europe,although US is just a country whereas Europe is a continent ! SO IT’S LOGICAL TO BE IMPRESSED THAT A COUNTRY SURPASSES A CONTINENT IN MUSIC SALES !!! ..Artists reaching Diamond in Us proves that US is a bigger market than Europe about the size of the market..! More sales come from US. Although US is a country ,it’s a much bigger market than Europe which is a continent ! There is more than 15 female artists that have certified Diamond albums in this country some of them even have 2 Diamond albums,whereas there is only 2 female artists that have 1 album Diamond each in all the European continent ! It also have much more artists having albums reaching platinum and multi-platinum status in USA than in Europe !So Yeas,this is logical to be impressed that a country surpass by far a continent in music sales. Moreover ,Asia is a bigger market than Europe cause more sales come from Asia than Europe (a few western music relatively,but a lot of eastern/Asian music stuff ) . Mariah is the only WESTERN artist to have so many million albums in Japan..,and in Asia! Japan is the bigger market of Asia, but there are also Korea, Hong Kong,China and Taiwan that are big markets in Asia .Besides,Asia is a bigger market than Europe because it collect much more countries than Europe,and these countries have much more people than European ones .So when they are combined,they surpass European’s sales easily. Besides , UK ,Germany and France are the only big market in Europe, and it is so easy to reach million sales in Japan alone than these 3 markets combined ! You call me troll ? bitch ? trash ? animal ? That I suffer from a QI deficiency ? That I am a sick mind ? Sorry but YOU ARE A HATER !!! :-) I just reply to your insults ! I never said Celine’s voice is not good !…just that her voice isn’t as good as Mariah’s and that Mariah sold more records ! This doesn’t make me a hater because her sales are inflated by her labels,sites,awards and medias..! You live in your own nasal hole where Celine’s sales are huge only in biased links,lists,sources and sites . Links,sources,lists,sites are to be trusted because they inflated Celine’s sales and rank her ahead of The Voice !! LMAO (Honestly , I laughed at this) There are debates Mariah featuring Madonna, because Madonna is the only female artist behind Mariah who sold the most records worldwide and she’s the only one that worth enough to be compare with Mimi on sales !There are not only Popdirt debates that face MC to Madonna.There numerous others. I base my arguments that The Voice is the best seller over Madonna and Celine on her certifications,awards and on her huge sales which are not certified in Asia,cause too much important there,Asia got too much people that any institution can’t count Mariah’s sales there ! – Hits and Mariah’s huge influence worldwide just confirm what I say. I already talked about Mariah’s tours and concerts ! Mariah is far ahead Celine in sales. It is not by nothing that Mariah is the The most influencial female artist EVER ! The queen of musical LEGACY ! The Voice ! The Songbird Supreme ! The queen of various musical genres ! The best performer of all times ! The queen of R&B ! The queen of powerful ballads ! The queen of melismas ! The queen of vocal versatility ! The queen of low and deep notes ! The queen of high notes ! The queen of powerful and strong belts ! The greatest Voice of all times!! The greatest singer of all times ! Guinness World Records, Blender, Rolling Stones, MTV Countdown,etc… agree with me ! Her innumerable artistical influences and musical contributions agree with me ! And people all around the world agree with me ! Moreover,Mariah is the undeniable Best Selling Female Artist Of All Times ! The greatest female artist of all times ! The queen of music overall ! The unreachable and untouchable Voice ! LuckyLuke says: March 8, 2011 at 11:54 amMariah is a bad live performer cause she can’t move ,can’t dance and even while singing she has the samefacial expression ”where are my car keys ?” !!Celine sells out because she is an outstandingvocalist (you said it in the past) , an improvedperformer ! If people wanted to laugh they would pay20 dollars to attend the CIRCUS and not 200 dollarsto attend a concert.YOU ARE SO DESPERATE TO TAKE CELINE DOWN FU**ING HATERTHAT YOU HAVE TO MENTION BEYONCE , AGUILERA , BRAXTON ,HOUSTON , MADONNA , BRITNEY ! Lmao !If you like them , good for you..!You only write your opinion and nothing more andI couldn’t care LESS about it !Celine is the best belter out there right now !IFPI Is not partial. Wikiepdia is NOT to be trusted. Isaid it before…It is IMPOSSIBLE TO Discuss with a person thatdoesn’t trust all the instituions that THROWTO HER FACE the fact that Mariah is behing Celine !!Number 1 hits have nothing to do with QUALITY ,You stupid troll !! Obsessed reached number 7at Billboard and Fly Like A Bird FLOPPED…Does this mean Fly Like A Bird is a worse song ?Answer : NO !So the statement ” Celine’s music is not good asMariah cause she doesn’t have number 1 single” is aFAIL.Eminem is the most overrated rapper ever ! when I said”Classsy” I mean mostly that Europe hasVARIETY in music genres..! Still you dumb bitchI mentioned that Mariah SHINES in Us ! I don’tsee you comment on this ! why ? because onceagain I said sth GOOD for Mariah ?”Madonna’s pop music is not more classy than Mariah’srnb music” !! ha ha ha !! This is only your opinion andstrangly I have the same opinion.Celine’s Xmas Album is only Platinum in Europe aswell…so you still don’t prove Europeans hate MC.Mariah’s Music Box reached 7 times platinum in EuropeBECAUSE IT IS HER ONLY FULL – POP ALBUM !NO SOUL ! NO RNB ! (Exeption ”Never Forget U”)All singles were POP —> Dreamlover , Hero , WithoutYou..!Do you MJ Blidge have success in Europe ? NO !Alicia Keys ? Limited… Mariah alongside withBeyonce are the most successful Rnb Singers.It is all about the genre.Celine does only pop ! Besides , you HAVE SOME NERVECalling partial people of YOUR continent becausethey support Celine !!Us people are objective and Europeans Partial !!Ts ts ts !!I Prefer to say that people have different tastes andI respect these tastes , even if I think that mainstreammusic sucks.Rihanna does more pop than rnb and Beyonce even triesto make her skin look more WHITE in order tosell in Europe !! Wake Up !!!!!!!!Celine outsells Mariah in Oceania AND N.America..!In Austrlia she is ahead of Mariah for 200k …this difference is not covered by New Zealand whereand album reaches platinum with sales of 15k !!Europe and Us are EQUAL ! Swallow it !It is HARDER to sell more albums in Europe becauseEurope consists of TOTALLY DIFFERENT CULTURES andmarkets…Even if Europe is smaller this doesn’t changethe fact that Celine’s sales here reach the 60m mark.WESTERN MUSIC IS NOT POPULAR IN ASIA !!THIS IS YOUR BIGGEST LIE !Europe Is MUCH BIGGER than Asia !Europe has 3 huge markets , BIGGER than Japan !!Korea , China and Hong Kong are at the same levelas Spain and Italy !! GIVE IT A REST !OF COURSE I AM A HATER ! I DISPISE YOU !Not Mariah ! YOU INSULTED Celine(troll,ugly,bitch,comedian-no skilled)so you are a FU**ING HATER and nothing more !!You only copy paste answers to make a point.I live in a nasal world ? Ha ha ha ha !!In my planet , called EATH , Celine outselsMariah in albums , DVDs , tours and is awardedfor this … this is shown by reliable sources !!Keep Daydreaming while claimingBILLBOARD / IFPI / RIAA / NIELSEN SOUNDSCAN /MARIAH’S SITES / LABELS are all turnedagainst MC !! Ha ha ha ha !!Moreover…fans make magazines lists…butdo fans create Nielsen Soundscan lists ? NO !CELINE IS AHEAH OF ”THE VOICE” ! Now Laugh !Honesly you laughed at this ? Ha ha !!LAUGH AGAIN WHORE ! Celine slays Mariahin album sales (proved by certifications and awards– even local awards) , Dvd sales and of course touring!!Numerous other debates claiming Celine sold lessthan Mariah ? ha ha ! so I should forget aboutcertifications and awards and start believedebate titles ! you are so dumb :DYou said —>”Asia got too much people that any institution can’tcount Mariah’s sales there !”——-> THERE ARE CERTIFICATIONS ! YOU JUST DON’T KNOWTHEM ! HER SALES ARE COUNTED !And even with 50m sales in Asia she still doesn’tsuprass Celine’s sales.LOOK I DO WHAT YOU DO —> I CAN BE IN DELIRIUM AS WELL—>Celine is the queen of music ! The best AC Performer !The best selling franch artist ! The standard forevery entertainer in Vegas ! The Best Voice !The Queen of Beltings and long notes ! TheMost awarded Artist ! Celine sold over 1 BILLIONCOPIES AS her global sales prove ! The Angelic Voice !The queen of soft full notes ! The sweetest voice !—> I really laugh my ass out while I write all these.Keep Dreaming Bitch…Debating with you is almost over. MOFF says: March 8, 2011 at 2:56 pmTrish, it doesn’t make sense to debate with Trish. We should go on with the clarification for this debate, like in the Madonna vs Mariah debate. Celine vs. Mariah — Celine is the winner, cause she’s sold more records (more albums but less singles). LuckyLuke says: March 8, 2011 at 4:27 pm* Earth tane says: March 8, 2011 at 6:34 pmIt’s true Celine has sold more albums but Mariah has exceeded 200million as of 2010, with more singles than Celine its obvious who is a bigger sellerMariah is in her 21 years of career and Celine’s 21 years, it’s true Celine sold more but in Mariah’s 21 year career she has sold more, in 21 years Mariah has sold 200 million albums worldwide and Celine in here 31 years she has sold over 200 million albums worldwide.I’m obviously right and you know it. Mariah has caught up…. So yeah that’s rightMariah is the bestand its true Mariah she sold 150 million in 13 years and that’s a lot and Celine in her 20 years she sold 175 million albums as of 2004 like you saidmeaning Mariah sold more albums in 13 years than Celine did in 20 years tane says: March 8, 2011 at 6:36 pmi meant and in celines 31 years LuckyLuke says: March 8, 2011 at 6:59 pm@ MOFFI Know and soon enough I will stop debating on obvious– worldwide facts and just use this page to give infoabout Celine.Celine sold more albums,dvds, way moretickets.She is an influence to most young artists, a standard for AC Singers worldwide ,she set the barall artists/performers in Vegas compare to , the mostsuccessful/awarded/listened and influencial Francophoneartist in the history of music.Thanx for your support..! :) tane says: March 8, 2011 at 7:15 pmlucky luke….how am I basing my info on the old Celine when she always does the old stuff anyway? yes those albums were top and yes she won awards for them but please where are you getting your info? from wikipedia?mariah has more world music awards 18 count that more billboard music awards 28 the both have the same amount of Grammys 5 eachand Mariah Carey has the most certifies than any other female artists in history over 100…all being the diamond the golden the platinum the silver!!!and Mariahs songs prove better….. @ trish you are right about Mariahs songs there are way better belts in them, than in celines songs….the reason why Mariahs belts are better is because she uses melisma as where when Celine uses it she sounds overdone like a cat screaming!mariah more number 1s mariah more certifies mariah more singles Mariah Careys album sales 200 million she caught up to celine LuckyLuke says: March 9, 2011 at 1:31 am@ tane1.So now Celine screams like a cat ? Get lost retardedbitch! Celine Dion has a powerful voice and you knowthis damn well. If you like Mariah more I respect itcause Mariah is EXCELLENT , but you should also learnto respect Mrs.Dion for her voice….!Cause this voice made her a legend..! Not her personalissues , not her sexy looks , not her suggestive videos ,not her flashy perfomances… Just her pure , crystalclear voice !! So be careful with the crap you posting..!2.Mariah sold 200m albums ? ha ha ha ! where ?Explain it to me by certifications ! Celine didn’tsell 200m albums you fool !! Get your facts straight..!Celine sold 180-185m albums worldwide..!Do you get confused by words ”albums” and ”records”? ? ?3.I don’t get my info on wikipedia…you seem toagree with TRISH and you seem to read her posts…buthave you read mine ? I am clear when I write”Wikipedia Is NOT to be trusted”. Now Move On..!04.You CONFIRMED that Mariah sold 150m albums by 2003 !You CLEARLY said it ! And now you say that Mariahsold totally 200m albums..! Ha ha ha ha !!You DARE TO IMPLY that Mariah sold 50m albums AFTER 2003? ? ? Let me laugh !!Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha !!Bitch , 50m albums coming from TEOM , E=MC2 , Memoirs ,MC2U , Ballads and Playlist ? xDAre you serious ? Please leave this debate cause youknow NOTHING on sales.05.Celine sold over 180m albums since 1990 and Mariahsold over 160-165m albums…so Celine beats Mariahanyway ! You just mention her 80s discography CAUSEYOU ARE A HATER and you try to manipulate usby saying that Celine needs more albums to sell !Which is a LIE cause Celine suprasses Mariah since 1990 !NO NEED AT ALL to count her 80s French recording releasedONLY in Quebec (7m people).06.We talk about total sales…Mariah has more WMA andgood for her.This doesn’t prove she sold more.Besides it is more than a fact that Celine slays Mariahin DVD sales and ticket sales , proving she is relevantnot only as a studio artist but also as a live performer.07.I Said you base your opinion on old awards causeMariah’s awards are OLD ! —> Millennium in 2000 ,Chopard in 2003 !Celine has much more recent awards confirming she isahead of Mariah —> Chopard in 2004 (Replacing MC) ,Legend in 2007 , Legion D’honneur in 2008 (proving hersales as a Francophone artist) , Special Award inAfrica 2008 for her the fact she is the best seller there, Special IFPI Awards in 2003 proving her sales inEurope by that time (50m albums) !!08.You can see that Celine’s sales are accuratelycounted in each continent. Definitely at Us , Canada ,Africa , Europe , Oceania..!Celine -> 185m Albums – 50m Singles – 5.5m Dvds ->240m records & Tours.(400m dollars from Vegas and 280m from TC Chances tour).This debate is so over,really. MOFF says: March 9, 2011 at 4:16 amYou are a hater of Madonna and Celine, Trish. (Tane). Trish is looking for a debater who agrees with her, so she decided to post from another account, created by her.You know very well that Madonna is the best selling female artist of all times, followed by Celine.You just want to continue this debate, cause actually its over long ago ! TRISH says: March 9, 2011 at 8:36 amTane you make a mistake,Celine doesn’t sold more albums than Mariah.How it could be since Mariah outsold Celine and any other artist in 200 year ? Celine’s 1990’s albums aren’t the only which continue to sells though the 2000 decade ! They just got subjective links for support their lies,nothing else ! Only tours can make an artist huge ! @Moff: Get out of here with your “protected allie”. Madonna and Celine doesn’t sold as much records as Mariah ! Live with it my dears !@ Lucky Luke:Celine Shines in Quebec and a few European countries ! Mariah shines worldwide ! Celine make pull faces and comedian moves ! She never dance ! According to you MTV COUNTDOWN /BLENDER MAGAZINE/ BILLBOARD / WORLD MUSIC AWARDS / MNJ/RIAA/ MEDIAS / are all impartial towards Madonna and Celine. You forgets the FACT that Celine is the MOST USELESS and LAZY artist of all times,who sing and tour just for money ! 01.She Married Rene Angelil and benefifit an international career thanks to Mariah’s then-husband Sony BMB Excegutive ! and scored 4 Number 1s at Billboard within 8 years, although several tours ! The rest 13 years of her career she managed to get ZERO although she continue to pleasure Mottola and Sony ! 2.She even never gets huge airplay in Us. Even at till late 90s..! 3.She ONLY makes endless tours and clown around people and amuse them for collecting money to her label and to herself ! Her songs albums , constituting largely by past hits, soundtrack ( for being boosted by the popularity of the films ), promoted with recycled Hits and endless tours and concerts that damage her voice that had already average beauty and grace ! Mariah never sing for money unlike Celine ! Mariah sing because she’s a real artist.That’s why she make music by her own ! Otherwise,she would made only Pop music like Celine and Madonna,as Pop is the best selling musical genre .Celine is like a robot manufactured as artist,singing what Mottola and Sony dictate her to sing,for grossing huge profits ! Celine’s music lacks originality, personalityand real atistical inclination.She make music because its sells.That’s why Sony love her ,she bring back money ! No real artistical inclination ,No legacy, No influence,No mark ,..Only albums with huge amount of recycled songs and songs created exclusively by songwriters and producers.She even not feel the need to take part in them.as long as they are lucrative, She repeat after Luprano,Doelp,Foster or Warren,put some predictable belts in the songs …and The album is ready to be released ! And also singing with famous and respected vocalists ( Barbra Streisand,Andrea Bocelli,Frank Sinatra,etc…) to boost the popularity of her voice . No matter about Hits,all that matters is money.Besides,they could always easily chart well in the AC chart !Tours after tours,concerts after concerts,anyway a ticket concert is more expensive than a single .Entertain the audience,amuse them,make anything that will help them to be interested in the concerts ( pull faces,comedic dances, jokes,etc…).No matter about hits and legacy,no matter about influence, as long as you’re lucrative !!Celine is very different to Mariah ! Mariah cares about about the quality of her songs and about their rank on the charts ,Not about their profitability … This is Celine that had an easy career,not Mariah! Mariah is involved in her art at 100 % ! Mariah work hard to compose,write arrange and produce songs to make albums.She also directs some of her videos .What do Celine while this time ? Nothing ,except singing ( producers tells her how to do ).Then , she spend all her time on doing what is the most profitable in music business : touring.! Nobody buys the crap posted here. TRISH says: March 9, 2011 at 8:54 amTane, we are right.Mariah is light years ahead Celine on voice and sing skills.Only haters try to deny it ! .Only haters say Mariah is huge just in US ! Mariah influence artists all around the world ! Unlike Celine ! Mariah doesn’t’ touring for treasure her incredible voice ! that still able to create UNIQUE songs ! We love Mimi ! The voice ! LuckyLuke says: March 9, 2011 at 11:10 am1.Tane made another ”mistake” when she said thatMariah sold 150m by 2003. You claim 170m by 2003.She claims 150m by 2003.What’s up bitches ? You can’t decide on a theory ?Your stupid theories contradict as you say Mariahsold 30m albums after 2003 and tane says she sold 50malbums since…Well…find sth common to say.2.Celine SHINES Worldwide you fool ! She shinesin Canada (15m sold , 21 Junos , 39 Felix) ,in Europe (Special IFPI Awards , UK Awards , Francemost successful artist) , in Oceania (4m sold) ,in Africa (best seller there confirmed by award)and of course Us —> 52m CERTIFIED ALBUMS &100% Sellout tours in Us & 10 Grammy(5 went to her) & Artist of the decade.!HATER ! BITCH ! DUMBASS !3.Celine danced Eyes On Me, River Deep Mountain Highduring her latest tour! BITCH ! She also hada dance interlude based on 80s songs duringher Let’s Talk About Love tour..!4.I NEVER blamed the magazines like you do withBILLBOARD / IFPI / MEDIATRAFFIC / SITES /MEDIA / LABELS / UNITED WORLD CHART / RIAA/ WORLD MUSIC AWARDS , Cause I am not patheticbut you are pathetic ! Slut !You blame all these sources cause Mariah isshown BEHIND Celine and therefore youtry to take them down. How pathetic..!On magazines again —> Magazines voted”when you believe” as the worst duetever. The 2nd place was occupied by ”Tell Him”.I guess I should swallow this up and declare”when you believe” and ”tell him”as the worst duets ever !!Moreover Rolling Stone Magazine (I Think)voted ”My Heart Will Go On” as anannoying song. -.-‘ ! Celine’sGrammy performance of ”My Heart Will Go On”is considered by magazines (fans) the 2ndbest Grammy moment in history of Grammy Awards.I gave you a link to see the performance andI mentioned Celine’s mistakes & that it washer worst performance. How come this averageCeline performance be considered BETTERthan Mariah’s 2006 performance of”We belong together/Fly like a bird” ..! ? !!—> I Don’t trust Magazines,YES !This doesn’t mean I think there is a conspiracyagainst Celine,like YOU DO with institutions.I am pretty clear on this. Besides, I don’ttry to tell you Celine is better than MC.You are the obsessed person here that gives Mariahvocal and professional assets she doesn’t possesssuch as performing/dancing skills.4.Celine was never treated as a mainstream singer…If you check her single releases you get all youranswers. Besides…Celine has a huge listof singles that sold over 1m in Europe aloneso her Us ”fail” in singles is covered by this.(Think Twice,Because You Loved Me,Tell Him,Immortality,It is all coming back to me now,My Heart will go on / Pour que tu m’aimes encore /Sous Le Vent)You seem to forget that Sony didn’t even releaseCeline’s ”My Heart Will Go On” in Us. Only600k copies were available and the song turnedout to be Gold in a few weeks while stayed atnumber 1 at airplay for over 2 months.”To Love You More” reached number 11 at hot airplayand didn’t chart at Hot 100 cause it was notreleased as a single.Sony wants to turn people to buy Celine albums.I don’t agree with this tactic,but what can I do..!This is the fact !”I Drove All Night” reached number 22 at hot airplayand the single release occurred months later and thesingle flopped at hot 100 peaking at number 54 !Number 22 at airplay / 54 at hot 100 ! Does thisring any bell ? ? ?”That’s The Way It Is” peaked at number 6 as airplayONLY single ! It was NEVER released as a single in Us.ONLY 9 MONTHS LATER Sony Decided to include as a B-Sidesingle to the single ” I Want You To Need Me”…5.Celine is not a clown ! You are a clown ! Keepinsulting her washed up whore while I don’t insultMariah —> you only prove your level by that.6.Celine doesn’t need film success to sell a singleand have success. ”Because You Loved” became aninternational smash in 1996,promoting a FLOP movie.”When I Fall In Love” is one of her most criticallypraised songs that promoted an underperformed movie..!7.Celine’s voice is in a good shape as of 2011 , provedby her latest live performances. She sounded reallypure. Celine never had ”average” beauty and grace.Sorry hater xD8.Mariah ALWAYS sings for MONEY and TOURS whenshe flops. Her 1rst BIG tour (Chamrbracelet)came after too commercial and critical disasterswhen her popularity had declined !Same thing she will do in 2012 after epic failuressuch as Memoirs , MC2U , E=MC2 , Ballads..!9.Celine is not a robot. She has an OPINION whenher albums are made. Her music is pop based since1981 but she always puts rock or blues or discoor classical or techno (A Cause) or gospel or jazzor rnb elements to her albums.10.No legacy ? No influence ? Let me laugh !!The fact that Mariah has a great influence doesn’tmean Celine has 0 influence you fool !Celine is an influence to most young artists,a standard for AC Singers worldwide ,she set the barall artists/performers in Vegas compare to , the mostsuccessful/awarded/listened and influential Francophoneartist in the history of music.11.Do you know what a fu**ing CONTRACT is ? ? ?Artists many times are pressed to release albums !Even Mariah released ”rainbow” – a rushed album –to satisfy her label ! She didn’t feel this albumand she stated this in interviews..!Every artist has to show discipline ! So yes !Mariah had to make music just to sell.12.Celine didn’t need duets to show off her voice !The Reason , My Heart Will Go On show off her skilledvoice better than Tell Him of Beauty and The Beast..!Try again bitch..!13.”Mariah cares about the quality of her songs” !Then how come she released ”Obsessed” as a single ?Touch my Body ? ha ha ha ! How do you dareput the word Q U A L I T Y !!!Mariah sang songs about drugs (It’s like that) ,oral sex (One and only) , rappers (clown) ,cheap sexy attitude (I Am the chick you like) !!Her latest English album is a Diamond album fullof quality and deep introspective songs. But Mariahhas done many cheap songs during her career so don’tpost crap to me that Mariah always caresabout the quality !! I could say just the sameabout Celine after albums such as ”d’elles”but wouldn’t it be stupid after Celine sang”Super Love” , ”Can’t Fight The Feeling”and ”Just The Woman In Me” ? ? LOL14.Mariah had an easy career as she never toured ,only recorded albums and had Tommy to boost hercareer. Celine had to tour like a dog , making smallsteps at a time and became worldwide known in 1996 !Mariah’s debut is the most promoted debut albumof all times. Celine’s English debut was theresult of an endless effort to raise moneyfor the budget ! She had to do at least 3 duets& live performances to raise a few money for her album.& All her early clips are CHEAP !On Top of That she had to sustain her francophonefan base so she had to release many French albumswhile she was focusing on her English career.Celine had a really difficult career.15.You are wrong ! Mariah is so behind Celine inrecord sales and when it comes to voice…I am only glad to see people support MCBecause she deserves the best. tane says: March 9, 2011 at 5:25 pmits proven Mariahs sold 200 million albums worldwide…they even said she did at the world music awards in 2008 when she recieved the special achievement award, ony ever granted to two other artists in the last 30 years!and luke the only way Celine sings so perfctly in concerts is because she lip syncs alot, not all the time but sometimes.:)yes celines voice is powerfull, but Mariah has a more wider vocal range 5 octaves..in 1994 to 96 she had a 7 octave range!and all those foreign countries your mentionaing like france and Germany that Celine is the most popular artists, well those countries charts aren’t even popularthe most popluar chart is the billboard charts and Mariah is the queen of those charts!!mariahs more popular in australia, New Zealand, all the pacific nations( islands), and the whole of asia…!!and it is a fact she’s sold 200 million albums worldwide, ou just can’t believe what we give you!!!!!!and trish you are so right, in the 13 years that Mariah has been out she sold 150 million albums and up to 2010 she sold 200 million so luke shut up and get ur facts straight!!!!!!! tane says: March 9, 2011 at 8:08 pmand I’m not trish…..whats wrong with you moff!!, I’m just a huge Mariah fan so please stop accusing me of being someone else…for all I know you could be some old man! LuckyLuke says: March 9, 2011 at 9:22 pm@ TaneYOU ARE A LIAR !Here is the video of Mariah accepting the award in 2008 !—->youtube.com/watch?v=A6xKgIoXOUA—> NOBODY Said she sold over 200m ! The award wasabout her Us number 1s..!– Celine sold more in Oceania than Mariah.She sold 200k in Australia OVER Mariah..!Mariah suprasses Celine only in Us and Asia.NOWHERE ELSE !!!Celine has sold 85m records in Europe while Mariahbarely reaches the 35m mark there.– You say she sold 150m by 2003 and 200m by 2011 !Ha ha ha ! 50m between 2003-2011 ? ? ?YOU ARE NOT SERIOUS !– CELINE DION is HUGE worldwide and thank God you finallyadmited she has a good voice !!——– EAT THESE UP ———-The Best Selling Artist Of All Nielsen Soundscan Era.240 Million Records sold Worldwide50 Million single salesA Career That Spans Over 30 Years16 Diamond Certifications971 Platinum CertificationsOver 1100 Awards5 Years Of A Sell-Out Las Vegas ShowAs Seen By 3 Millions People, where she gained the awardand title “Entertainer of the New Millennium ”MOREOEVERCeline Dion Holds the title/record for :-*Best selling Female artist *Best selling Artist in Europe *Best selling Canadian artist *Best selling French artist *Best selling Film Score of all Time *Best selling greatest hits of NS Era (All the way) *Best selling music DVD (A NEW DAY is one of the best selling DVD in music history) *Only Artist in history to have more than 1 album sell over 30 million worldwide (im sure MJ is on this list by now) *Best selling non-english album of all time *Best selling single of 1998 / 2nb best selling of all times by female artist * 60m Soundratcks sold * 15m Coming From Other Projects * Special Awards in Europe , Africa , Canada * 65m Records sold in Us * Highest Grossing Solo Touring Act of 00s *Her last tour is the SECOND HIGHEST GROSSING TOUR IN HISTORY * 480m Dollars From Vegas Show—-> As you see I avoid mentioning local distinctionslike lambs do with Us all the time.Sorry but Celine SHINES W O R L D W I D ECeline sold over 1m DVDs in 2010 with 0 promo as shewas pregnant ! Mariah promoted her Xmas album and sold600k worldwide with this !Now Celine’s DVDs with 0 promo suprass Mariah’s ALBUMSthat get promotion with videos and interviews !Celine’s New Show is already sold out and is the onlyartist in the History of Vegas that even affects theECONOMY There.Mariah has no sales achievements when it comes to toursor DVDs like Celine. Mariah has advantage over Celineonly in Us and Asia when it comes to albums/singles.Even at her strong markets she is below Celine intours and dvds.Celine is UNTOUCHABLE when it comes to sales !!A True Legend ! Face The Truth ! Embrace it ! AndMove On ! The Reason says: March 10, 2011 at 12:24 am(These posts are distanced from this Debate so I useThis Nickname)—————– . . . ————–Celine’s new Vegas Show is simple named ”Celine”.”Celine” setlist Includes :1.Open Arms2.Where Does My Heart Beat Now3.Because You Loved Me4.It Is All Coming Back To Me Now5.To Love You More6.(If You Can’t Sing It) You’ll Have To Swing It7.Lullabye (Goodnight,My Angel)08.The Reason09.Goldfinger / Diamonds Are Forever / Nobody Does ItBetter / Live And Let Die (James Bond Medley)10.At Seventeen11.Beauty And The Beast12.Ne Me Quitee Pas13.All By Myself14.Ben / Man In The Mirror / I Just Can’t Stop Loving You(Micheal Jackson Medley)15.Declaration Of Love / Love Can Move Mountains /River Deep-Mountain High (Dance Medley)16.My Heart Will Go On———— . . . ———–It was reported in January 2011 that ticket sales forthe show had already passed the $10 million mark,marking the fastest sale in the history of the Venue. tane says: March 10, 2011 at 5:51 pmyoutube.com/watch?v=Rs9cze8npX4&tracker=False watch this video it gives you everything you need to know about Mariahs achievments and album sales!!! MOFF says: March 11, 2011 at 5:59 amTane (Trish) I saw this video many times. According to this video: Mariah has sold 200 million records worldwide. That’s right. I mean, the video is completely right in everything what it says. But according to YOU: Mariah has sold 200 million ALBUMS worldwide, which is a huge lie. So what do you believe ? 200 million records or albums, you say you believe this video, so you surely mean 200 million records.Theres one point in the video that’s wrong.Its Madonna whos the biggest selling female artist, not Mariah Carey. TRISH says: March 11, 2011 at 8:37 amTane,don’t let this hater impress you by anything.Just ask him to give you Celine’s 20 best selling singles and Mariah’s and you’ll know how he will lie.Celine got just one great selling Single “My Heart Will Go On”.Mariah outsold Celine by far on singles sales since 1990 decade.In the 200 decade Mariah continue to sell singles by millions unlike Celine.These haters got the nerve to say that Mariah outsold Celine by just 5- 10 million singles.In Fact,Mariah outsold Celine by 60 million singles the less. Do You know that according to RIAA, Mariah got more than 14 million certified singles,only in US? Whereas Madonna got just 4 million certified Singles in US and Celine just 2 ones ! These haters said Madonna sold over 100 million singles worldwide and Mariah 60 million and Celine 50 million ones.Tane,believe me ,don’t waste your time on giving proves to this hater,he will always refute them since they are fair towards Mariah.Lucky Luke and Moff even give anbulm list in which Celine and Madonna outsold Mariah’s sales in 2000 years,although every medias,everyone always know that Mariah is the best selling artist OVERAll at 1990’s decade and the best selling female artist of all times in 2000 year.Don’t forget Tane,that Mariah’s 1990 albums continue to sell in 2000 year like Celine’s and Madonna’s.So,it’s a HUGE lie to say that these women sold more albums than Mimi even in 2011.Celine got one album selling 10 million in 2000’s Mariah got TEOM .See? Don’t let this creep hater make you swallow his biased links and sources.Celine is far behind Mariah on records sales.Mariah rules ! LuckyLuke says: March 11, 2011 at 12:14 pm@ TRASHYou can do better.1.Celine’s ”All The Way” sold 17m during the 00s and”A New Day Has Come” sold 11m at leasrso your statement ”Celine hadonly one album in 00s to sell over 10m” is an all timeclassic lie added to your previous ones.2.Celine has 4 platinum singles in Us and not 2 !Try Again ! The Power Of Love , Because You Loved Me ,It Is All Coming Back To Me Now , I Am Your Angelare all PLATINUM. Don’t you get shamed to bringfalsified RIAA certifications here ? Fat Cow !3.I am clear Mariah was ahead during the 90s , butCeline’s late 90s albums and early 00s prjectsdid the difference and Celine is nowhailed as the best selling artist of the past 20years , the best selling female artist of the NielsenSoundscan era. All Media world announced it proudlyfrom 2004 – 2010 ! She was presented Chopard DiamondAward for counted album sales of 175m ! Mariah replaced.She got Legend award and every local award possible.Mariah doesn’t even have an Asian award. No awards inCanada , Europe , Africa like Celine. Nothing SOLID toprove the 200m albums myth.Even you and Tane conradict so much as I showed yousince you claim 170m albums by 2003 and she claims150m by 2003.—– EAT THIS UP AND TAKE A RIDE —–240 Million Records sold Worldwide50 Million in single salesA Successful , Solid Career That Spans Over 30 Years16 Diamond Certifications971 Platinum CertificationsMOREOEVERCeline Dion Holds the title/record for :-*Best selling Female artist *Best selling Artist in Europe *Best selling Canadian artist *Best selling French artist *Best selling Film Score of all Time *Best selling greatest hits of NS Era (All the way) *Best selling music DVD (A NEW DAY is one of the best selling DVD in music history) *Only Artist in history to have more than 1 album sell over 30 million worldwide (im sure MJ is on this list by now) *Best selling non-english album of all time & Second best selling French album , behind her own D’eux *Best selling single of 1998 / 2nb best selling of all times by female artist * 60m Soundratcks sold * 15m Coming From Other Projects * Special Awards in Europe , Africa , Canada * 65m Records sold in Us * Highest Grossing Solo Touring Act of 00s *Her last tour is the SECOND HIGHEST GROSSING TOUR IN HISTORY * 480m Dollars From Vegas Show * Over 1100 awards * Best selling French single of all times * Entertainer of The New Millenium * Highest grossing solo touring act of decade * Most influencial francophone artist * Most influencial performer/artist in the history of Vegas * Yamaha Tokyo award for her voice at age 15,won by a Franch Song. Same goes for Eurovsion song contest at age 20. * 5,5m DVDs sold * Us Hall Of Fame Star * 2 Academy Awards , 10 Grammy to her songs & much more nominations.Haters —> Face the truth and move on… :-)Have a nice day <3 TRISH says: March 12, 2011 at 10:21 amMARIAH’S MAIN RECORDS : -Best selling Female artist of all times -Best selling R&B Artist of all times -Best selling non-Asian artist in Asia -Best selling album in Japan -Best selling album in China -Best-selling album in Taiwan -Best-selling single in Japan -Best-selling Christmas album -Best-selling Christmas single -Best-selling R&B Contemporary album -Most certified platinum singles by a female artist in USA -Most # 1 songs penned by a female songwriter -Most World Music Awards than any other artist overall -Most # 1 hits on Billboard Hot 100 -Most cumulated weeks atop the Billboard Hot 100 -Largest vocal range ever ( for having hit the highest vocal note ever ) TRISH says: March 12, 2011 at 10:31 amYou said this debate is over while you continue to post comments ! Contradictions in your acts ? Hahahaha! Lucky Luke, please can you just tell me where Celine sold her “185 million albums” and her “50 million singles” ? In Wikipedia ? In Quebec ? I wanna know where exactely ! Can you give us facts ? Celine influences AC Singers “Worldwide” ? Who exactly ? Where exactly ? Can you cite some ? Oh yeah,Garou,Charice,etc…Always the same little group of “influenced artists “ Hahaha ! Although most of them are just her collaborators in some songs and just expressed respect to her,without having any real influence on them !I am also an influence to most old artists a standard for AC singers in my neighborhood ! I assume that Tane know much more than you on sales Lucky.He’s right at 100 % Mariah sold 200 million albums worldwide ! In 2000 Year,Celine’s global albums reached 100m – 110 million. How she could sold 70m -80 million From The Collector Serie, A New Day, One Heart,Taking Chances,Miracle, 1 Fille Et 4 Types, D’elles, On Ne Change Pas,A New Day Live,etc…that doesn’t reach even 25 million combined ? Are you serious ? Please,take off your glasses,leave your PC just the time to inhale some good and fresh air . Celine’s 80s discography is totally insignificant cause border in the state of Quebec (about 4 or 5 million of people in the 1980’s, 8 million people in 2011 ) This is exactly like considering Mariah’s debut albums sales in the Florida State only (although Florida got more people than Quebec ). I don’t even mention New York state ! It’s useless to talk about Celine’s 1980’s albums,they even doesn’t reach 1.5 million with the recent collection released by Sony. You can talk about Madonna’s 1980s albums,not Celine’s. Yes,Celine needs much more albums to have an impressive amount of sales unlike Mariah ! This is a fact dear ! Yeah ! Mariah has more World Music Awards and WMA are giving only to artist who collect the most impressive sales per years ! It’s clear that Mimi’s sales had always impressive next to any other artists ! They didn’t get huge suddenly,unlike what Celine’s and Madonna’s stans try to make us swallow. If Celine got an impressive number of awards coming from seral micro markets and impressive amount of Diamond and Platinum Certifications there meaning a few sales,good for her.This doesn’t prove she sold as much as Mimi. Besides,it’s more than a fact that Mariah slays Celine in Singles sales and Hits,proving she is relevant not only as a studio artist and as a clown on stage but also in Singles Charts ! And in Hit Parades ! All Celine’s recent awards are irrelevant ! Besides,you always claimed yourself that Celine’s Chopard diamond award is irrelevant ! Celine is impressive just in francophone countries ! She’s really great as a francophone artist,but as an international artist ??? She would be if there wouldn’t be a worldwide phenomenon called Mariah Carey ! Celine is really much more rich than Mariah,she work hard, “ like a dog “as you said, for collect money.But that’s all ! At the other hand,Mariah got something experts and people call LEGACY ! You are a hater of Mariah Carey, Moff. (Lucky Luke). Moff is looking for a debater who agrees with him, so he decided to post from another account, created by him. Moff,it’s just your wishes.You know very well that Mariah Carey is the best selling female artist of all times, followed by Madonna. Why do you continue to post comments if this debate is over long ago? You want to provoke ?TRISH@Lucky Luke: You said Madonna sold 70 million albums in Europe, Shutup said 75 million you said Madonna sold 25 million albums in Asia, Shutup said 15 million for Madonna in Asia.You said Celine sold 185 million to 2011,Shut Up said 175 million for 2011,etc… . What’s up ass*oles ? You can’t decide on a theory ? …Well…find sth common to say. Celine SHINES Wikipedia ! Composers and Producers won 10 Grammy,but 5 went to Celine cause she just performed the songs( just like producers told her to ). These songs reference you gave doesn’t deserve to called “dance”. Anyway,Mariah do it waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better than Celine ! Fantasy,Honey, Dreamlover (Mariah Around The World),Heartbreaker (video),It’s Like That (Video),etc… That’s what are called dance,not joking moves !And it’s easy to recur dances and choregraphical annexations that you had already learned and repeat! Compare rather Celine’s improvised dancing moves to Mariah’s and you’ll see Mariah’s supremacy more certainly ! Celine is in the same level than Susan Boyle on dance skills ! Be a straight man then you could appreciate what a true woman do as amazing instead of dreaming on a clown diva ! About IFPI,Mediatrafic,Guinness,Billboard,etc… You credit all these sources cause Celine is shown AHEAD Mariah and therefore you try to take them up. How pathetic..! No matter if Magazines voted ”when you believe” as the worst duet ever.So what ? Magazines doesn’t create Mariah’s vocal popularity/fame !Mariah’s own songs created it themselves ! Mariah had to prove the incredible qualities of her voice shortly after her debut unlike all other vocalists( MTV Unplugged EP ),cause everybody noticed that her voice is extraordinary and really special unlike all other voices! Don’t try to reduce Mariah’s voice worldwide popularity to magazines.Anyway,weither it’s magazines fans,online poll,experts claiming,TV Shows,etc… Mariah’s voice always cited as the best ever ! The voice question is very different to sales.We can listen on their voices but we can’t verify their sales around the world.It’s so easy to lie about sales,cause they are expressed by numbers and numbers can be falsified easily.But no one can falsify a the sounding of the songs ! I never said that there is a conspiracy against Mariah’s sales.I said that institutions lied and are biased and I prove this by Guinness 2003 claims towards Madonna’s sales and IFPI foolish estimations about Nana Mouskouri,and Wikipedia’s partiality. I am the devoted person that demand Mariah’s every concret assets! I never demand for Mariah assets and achievements that she hasn’t unlike you do for Celine. This is you who are a obsessed person here that gives Celine and profesional assets she doesn’t possess such as performing/dancing skills/Hits /vocal skills/influence on other artists/contribution on music. Celine just make what is rentable in music. That’s why she never treated as a mainstream singer because her music is lacking,.Indeed she always sing Pop music like most successful artists ! About Celine’s singles that sold over 1m in Europe alone Tell Him,Immortality and It’s all coming back to me now doesn’t reach million sales in Europe. There is only Think Twice,Because You Loved Me,My Heart Will Go On,Sous Le Vent and Pour Que Tu M’aimes Encore that had reach million status in Europe.No other else ! So,how she could ever sold 50 million singles worldwide ? How Mariah’s singles could surpass her by just 10 million sales worldwide ? Mariah NEVER sing for MONEY .If she did,she would stay at Columbia to obey Mottola and sing the most lucrative and profitable musical genre (Pop Ballad & Pop dance albums ) like Celine did.She would sing Pop music that is and still more rentable than Hip Hop .If she sang for money,she would tour after her first smash debut albums like Mottola wanted to.She would make albums mostly with recycled past hits and covering songs and pick songs from Foster,Warren,Afanasieff,Luprano,etc… to have an easy success,just like Celine do.Since her debut,Mariah always work hard to improve herself as songwriter and composer,she refused to sing .My Dear,keep your words straight,Celine sing for Money while Mariah sing to share her musicaland artistical creativity to people ! Celine works to top income ranks and lists while Mariah works to spread her musical/artistical influence and legacy larger worldwide . Now you say about Celine’s music: “Her music is pop based since 1981 but she always puts rock or blues or disco or classical or techno (A Cause) or gospel or jazz or rnb elements to her albums.” You just forget that in the last week,you said that Europeans buy Celine’s albums more than Mariah’s because Celine’s albums are 100 % Pop whereas Mariah’s 1990’s albums aren’t 100% Pop ,except for Music Box ! See your contradictions ? This is you who are fool,not me.Even Beyonce and Britney has much more influences ,contributions and a bigger musical Legacy than Celine although their generation is far behind Celine’s. Read the Biography of Celine in Wikipedia ( her fan site encyclopedia) and you’ll even won’t see any chapter talking about Celine’s LEGACY ! whereas you’ll see this chapter in Mariah’s,Madonna’s Whitney’s, Beyonce’s,Britney’s Wikipedia biography.So,saying that Celine influence Garou,Charice,Fabian, etc… (a few european/Canadian francophone artists ) and has contribution on AC music prove how much you are obsessed with this limited artist ! Celine influences no one in AC music.Whom AC artist ever credit Celine as main influence? Celine is a lucrative artist ( on tours specially ),that ‘s her main merit. So,Mariah slays Celine in everything except for tours and Tickets c LuckyLuke says: March 12, 2011 at 6:40 pm@ TRISH1.The debate is over as long as I see 0 proof coming fromyou.Still,you will have a reply for every crap youpost.The debate is over as long you CONTRADICT with —>Columbia Records (130m By 2000) ,World Music Awards(150m By 2003) and Island Def Jam (200m by 2010) !2.I will explain where Celine EXACTLY gets 185m albumsafter you show me how Mariah sells 200m albums.I Onlyneed to search a few info (certifications) on Asia andS.America cause I want my reply to be full and notjust mention numbers without certifications like you.In that case I would be stupid,and I am not. :-)The rest markets are accurately calculated for Celine,thank God. But you still have to show me howMariah sells 45m albums in Africa and S.America.(YOU said 50m Asia , 64m Us , 26m Eur , 4m Oceania ,8m Canada) Ha Ha Ha Ha !3.Celine influences young artists. Of course shedoes. You said they respect her. This is enoughfor me. If you are the best in your neighbourhoodgood for you,honey..! Check how many young artistsin Tv shows choose Mariah and Celine songs toperform. Celine is 42 years old and is already consideredone of the most influencial voices ever , besideWhitney and Mariah. Some artists saying she affectedthem —> Lara Fabian , Garou (France) , Marc Dupre(Canada) , Charice (Asia) , Delta Goodrem (Australia)…Don’t base your opinion on Us mainstream singers likeBeyonce , Rihanna , Floptina and Kelly Clarkson. Besidethem…how many other artists said Mariah is their maininfluence ? Moreover,even David Foster (a true musicexpert) considers Celine the best voice ever. He is theonly person that worked with ALL female vocalists.Same goes for Tommy Mottola that said ”Celine is thebest vocalist” back in 1995, I think.I am not saying to prove Celine is better than Mariah !I am saying these to show you that Celine is indeeda vocal legend..!4.You say Tane is right. Tane said Mariah sold150m by 2003.You say 170m albums. How’s that ?5.Celine sold exactly 175m by 2004. It is provedand I won’t ellaborate further on this. The 00salbums you mentioned sold over 35m at least.6.I said Celine’s 80s discography is insignificant !LoL ! Thanks For saying that yourself.7.Celine doesn’t need more albums to have success.Her 4 English best sellers sell over 100 millioncopies. Moreover she sold 14m copies with 2 Frenchalbums. Many french artists don’t sell 14m throughttheir careers.8.Mariah got WMA for her sales per year.Not overall.The Only Awards Mariah recieved for overall saleswere the ones back in 2000 and 2003 and these are soold since we are in 2011.Sorry…9.Did I say Mariah’s sales are not impressive ? LmaoYou are such a freak for implying things I never said.10.Celine is not a clown ! You are the only clownfat cow ! Mariah sold a few singles more than Celinecause same amount of songs became worldwide smashhits. You are so obsessed that you think every Mariahsong is a worldwide hit like Open Arms and I’ll BeThere and Don’t Forget About Us ! You totallyignore Worldwide charts as you ignore certificationsfrom Asia etc.11.How do you dare speaking of Single sales when youproudly came here 2 days ago to post that Celinehas only 2 platinum singles in Us by RIAA ? ? ?Bitch ! You are not in position to talk aboutsales ! Face it and shut up..!12.Celine is a huge album seller , not matter thelanguage , she sells out stadiums unlike Mariah ,she is THE ONLY ARTIST IN HISTORY that managedto stay at ONE place for so long (Vegas – 5 years)and have sold out show constantly !13.Mariah is only good nowadays for top 10 singlesin Us charts. Nothing more after TEOM !!!(Six years already and counting)14.You write : ”All Celine’s recent awardsare irrelevant” !! Hahahahahaha !!Says WHO ? YOU ? Who are you ? Are you anexpert ? You are just a pathetic lamb !A pathetic excuse of a fan ! A Bitterbitch that can’t can’t face the truth thatthe industry WILL ALWAYS CONSIDER CELINEAS A BEST SELLER BESIDE MARIAH !A WORLDWIDE BEST SELLER !15.You Think Celine is not impressive asa worldwide artist ? Uhmm…Africa& Oceania & Us & Canada & Asia & S.America are marketswhere Celine has been successful in album sales& she always sells out in tours.So yes…Celine , like Mariah , areworldwide successful. Be careful noto swallow your poison little whore and die ! :)16.You know damn well I am not MOFF , soI don’t insist on this at all. Besides ,I don’t think you are Tane.17.175m or 185m is not a serious differencedear ! LoL ! What you and Tane claimis so contradictory because Tanesaid clearly in the 1st postthat CELINE SOLD MORE ALBUMS THAN MARIAH !!Remember ?Moreover on Asia , NOBODY CONTRADICTSCause these are just THEORIES as wedon’t know exact amount based on certifications.So all your effort to prove me and theother guys contradict FAILS !!Too bad you spent so much time writing.18.Mariah has more dance hits than Celine ,but she can’t move on stage. Move on now -.-Mariah is superior as a dancer next to aperson suffering from handicap.19.You don’t even know what Guinness Book of recordsand Billboard state ! NONE of them showsCeline as a best seller !ARE YOU UNABLE TO READ MY POSTS ?Billboard is a reliable source to show ushow much Mariah and Celine sold in Us.Billboard can’t show how much they soldworldwide ! I really don’t knowwhat your problem is with Billboard !!20.You are really stupid for saying I amtrying to take down Mariah’s voice !!You are crazy ! WHERE DID YOU SEE THIS ?All I said was that magazines are notto be trusted ! I don’t need YOU to tell ME if Mariah isexcellent or not ! I am a fan since age 15and I know everything on her voice and sales.21.Sales are numbers. Numbers are OBJECTIVE.You are the one tha falsifies sales in favourof Mariah. Certfications never show 200mfor Mariah.Voice Skills are OBJECTIVE as well.Vocal Beauty is SUBJECTIVE.And now move on really !I am bored on replying on stupid vocal topics.22.You never said there is a conspiracy but youobviously imply it,when you call all sourcesfake.Guiness Book never claimed 380m sales forMadonna. You will never find proof on that.IFPI certified sales in Europe !Nana Mousxouri released her albums worldwide !The fact that Mousxouri comes from Europe doesn’tmean that IFPI is responsible for her OVERALL Sales !If Mariah retires , RIAA won’t be in position totalk about her worldwide sales , just for Us ones.Wikipedia is not to be trusted ! Let’s not repeatthis again.23.I never put an asset Celine doesn’t have.NEVER..!You love Mariah so much and think she a greatdancer and better belter than Celine.24.I Think other people awarded Celine for hercontribution dear…not me…so don’t accuse me ofbeing biased. Other people pay tickets to seeCeline performing and singing. I am from Greece.She never came to my country and I never saw herlive. You say you are a Celine fan. Seeher live perfomances from 90s of songsRiver Deep Mountain Hight (Live A Paris Dvd ,Live In Memphis Dvd) and THEN see Celineperforming this song in Las Vegas Dvdand then during TC tour which was reallybetter than in Vegas. Celine improved somuch.In 90s dance songs she never followed achoreography. She was just making fun runninglike a weird animal on stage. This hasnothing to do with Celine of 2005-2011.25.Celine’s music is not lacking at all.She releasedtwo crappy albums,that’s all ! (One Heart , TakingChances) ! Besides,same goes for Mariah’s twolatest albums (Memoirs,MC2U) … Mariah was noteven treated as an artist by her label.26.Tell Him , Immortality , It’s All Coming BackTo Me Now sold more than 1m in Europe.Immortality sold 500k in Germany alone. (Platinum), was silver in France (200k) and Silver in UK(200k , I think) … It was number4 on Eurochartand top 10 in many manrkets beside the 3 big ones.So, I really don’t know the reason you wrote downImmortality didn’t sell 1m in Europe. I thinkto myself…Trish doesn’t know or knows and justlies..! Anyway…I posted certifications on Celine’ssingles sales in the other debate. I will probablycopy paste here. There is nothing easier forme to prove Celine’s record sales inUs , Europe , Canada , Oceania and Africa.I have a problem In Asia and S.America but I amworking on this so soon enough you will seehow Celine sold 185m worldwide.Of course youwill say I lie but I don’t care.27.Mariah suprasses Celine in singles for 5-10mthe MOST. Celine sold 25m In Europe and 12min Us (Posted in the other debate) andMariah 32m In Us and around 5 – 8m in Europe.28.You say Mariah never sings for money.Oh , romantic little TRISH…You have no ideahow pressed Mariah was to release albums.She had to follow her contract and didn’thave a voice to the promotion of her albums.Mariah only toured after her flops.Besides…she obeyd Tommy for 10 years !This is ENOUGH since they argued since1990 !!! So yes ! Mariah did everythingto have a successful career. She leftSony AFTER had Dumbed her in favor of Jenifer Lopez ,Celine Dion , Britney Spears.Mariah’s album sales afterDaydream were poor compared the ones of young artists.Don’t change the facts to show me that Mariahfights for quality and music cause this isso untrue.In the only thing you are right isthat Mariah wanted to write her own songs.29.Celine’s albums don’t consit of covers.She puts 16 songs in each English album and around3-5 are covers. So there are at least11 original songs in Celine’s albums.& her material in which she hardly everputs covers. Celine had to tour to share her talent !Mariah did nothing in touring cause she was lazy and hadeverything done and promoted..! She only toured when shelost part of her fans after Glitter and Charmbracelet.30.Celine is a pop singer ! yes !And she puts elements of other genres in SOMEsongs. You create contradictions ! Of courseCeline does BASICALLY pop music since 1981..!All Her Albums are POP and songs in them have influences! Where is my contradiction again ?31.You say Wikipedia is Celine’s site. I neveradmited this. So the fact that Wikipedia doesn’tmention Celine’s legacy proves nothing.Moreover DECIDE … you should trust wikipediawhenever is CONVINIENT For your arguments ?Mariah has Legacy and I know that ! I never denied this.You are the one that denies Celine’s achievents.32.You called Celine limited ? Ha ha ha ! Mariah islimited cause she barely reaches Gold In Us ! Ha Ha Ha !Mariah has no albums Certified in Europe exept for TEOM.Success in Australia and Canada and Africa and Japanthe past 11 years,exept for TEOM ?At least Celine’s One Heart and Taking Chances werecertified in ALL markets of the world !!!33.Celine has also sold more Dvds than Mariah.Neverforget the success of Dvds such as ”Live In Las Vegas”, ”Celine:Through The Eyes Of The World” ,”Taking Chances World Tour”34.On The List You posted…Nothing impressive.Celine’s achievemtns have WORLDWIDE base,not local.(Us , Japan …. and LIES on Chinese album sales !Ha Ha Ha)35.In Case you didn’t notice :*Best selling Female artist*Best selling Artist in Europe*Best selling Canadian artist*Best selling French artist*Best selling Film Score of all Time*Best selling greatest hits of NS Era (All the way)*Best selling music DVD (A NEW DAY is one of the best selling DVD in music history)*Only Artist in history to have more than 1 album sell over 30 million worldwide (im sure MJ is on this list by now)*Best selling non-english album of all time& Second best selling French album , behind her own D’eux*Best selling single of 1998 / 2nb best selling of all times by female artist* 60m Soundratcks sold* 15m Coming From Other Projects* Special Awards in Europe , Africa , Canada* 65m Records sold in Us* Highest Grossing Solo Touring Act of 00s*Her last tour is the SECOND HIGHEST GROSSING TOUR IN HISTORY & 480m Dollars From Vegas Show* Over 1100 awards ( 10 Grammy / 2 Academy to her songs& Golden Globe & countless nominations)* Best selling French single of all times* Entertainer of The New Millenium* Most influencial francophone artist* Most influencial performer/artist in the history of Vegas* Yamaha Tokyo award for her voice at age 15,won by a Franch Song. &*Eurovsion song contest at age 20 with a french recordagain. (IMPRESSIVE)* 5,5m DVDs sold* Affected the economy state of Vegas. tane says: March 13, 2011 at 12:18 amtrish you are right about everything! luke has his mine somewhere else meaning hes wrong about MCs sales!us Mariah Mariah fans know her sales whilst you Celine fans keep lying about her sales!!! LuckyLuke says: March 13, 2011 at 4:29 am@ TaneYou Mariah Mariah fans are a team of pathetic obsessedlambs (Animals) that can’t prove your sh** no matter howhard you repeat the same lies !I laugh so hard because ”tane” posted here almostthe same time as ”rafael” did at the other debate !Ha ha ha ha ha !The same OLD pathetic nickname – game..!!What’s up Tane ? My facts put you into shame and youcame back to babble the same lies ? ? ?——– TAKE NOTE TO THIS —————-I can repeat myself AGAIN and say that YOU and TRISHcontradict so much because YOU say Mariah sold150m by 2003 and SHE said 170m by 2003. Moreover YOUsay Celine sold over 200m ALBUMS and suprasses MCin album sales… Trish says Celine sold 160m albums.A difference of 40 MILLION in your facts ? ? ?40 MILLION ? ? ? REALLY ? 40 MILLION ? ? ?Not 10 , or 20 , or 30 , or 35 …but 40 MILLION ? xDF O R T Y ? ha ha ha ha !!This is why you are two lame bitches and nothing more.———> (Result)So, you are not in position to talk about sales at all.Have a fu**ing seat. :-)Finally , at least what I say is based on RIAA andIFPI certifications & agrees perfectly withWorld Music Awards , Labels and certifications of the5/7 music markets.Unlike you and TRASH that contradict with each other& Island Def Jam (200m records by 2010) , ColumbiaRecords (130m by 2000) , World Music Awards (150mby 2003) …Too bad tane…when you first entered here and saidMariah sold 130m by 2003 , I kinda liked you.Then you killed everything by implying that Mariahsold 70m between 2004-2011 !Ts ts ts …You couldn’t do any worse.Soooooooooooooory :)Maybe Next Time :-D MOFF says: March 13, 2011 at 4:40 amTane, can you give me link or advice where I can find that Mariah is the best selling female artist of all times ? LuckyLuke says: March 13, 2011 at 2:08 pm@ MOFFHa ha ha ha ! That was a good one ;-) LuckyLuke says: March 13, 2011 at 4:45 pm@ Tane (REPOST)*Too bad tane…when you first entered here and saidMariah sold 150m by 2003 , I kinda liked you.Then you killed everything by implying that Mariahsold 50m between 2004-2011 !* tane says: March 13, 2011 at 5:14 pmwhat I meant was it is true Mariah sold 150 million albums 1990 to 2003,heres my mistake guys Mariah Careys sold over 220 million records worldwide not albums,meaning she sold 175 to 180 million albums worldwide and the rest are singlesalbum sales for MC: 180 million the rest are singles so yes my mistake!!so luke and moff there’s actually hardly any difference between MCs and celines albums sales :) tane says: March 13, 2011 at 5:19 pmand where did ten Grammys for Celine Dion come from? she only has five Grammys! tane says: March 13, 2011 at 8:17 pmhere is an estimated look over MCs albums!!1990 Mariah Carey US Sales: 9 million (18 million–worldwide)1991 Emotions US Sales: 5 million (14 million–worldwide)1992 ‘MTV Unplugged US Sales: 3 million (15 million–worldwide)1993 Music Box US Sales: 10 million (28 million–worldwide)1994 ‘Merry Christmas US Sales: 5 million (16 million–worldwide)1995 Daydream US Sales: 10 million (25 million–worldwide)1997 Butterfly US Sales: 5 million (17 million–worldwide)1998 ‘#1’s US Sales: 5 million (16.5 million–worldwide)1999 Rainbow US Sales: 3 million (12 million–worldwide)2001 Glitter US Sales: 1 million (5 million–worldwide)2001 ‘Greatest Hits US Sales: 750,000 copies(4 million–worldwide)2002 Charmbracelet US Sales: 1.2 million (6 million–worldwide)2003 ‘The Remixes US Sales: 900,000 copies (1.8 million–worldwide)incliding emancipations of mimi which sold 10 million albums worldwide and sold 3 million in the US!plus E=MC2 album sales: 2 500 00, 2 million in which 1 million was sold in the US.memoirs of an imperfect angle album sales: 501 000merry Christmas II you album sales: 500 000so now album sales are: Total Sales:191.5 million copies sold worldwide, US Sales: 63.5 million copies soldthis is a correct estimation of Mariah Careys album sales!!!! so please just read and you’ll see:) tane says: March 13, 2011 at 8:20 pmmusic box actually sold 32 million worldwide my mistake!so worldwide sales are now: 195.5 million albums sold worldwide! tane says: March 13, 2011 at 8:21 pmhere is a link of where thoses album sales estimations came from!8notes.com/biographies/carey.asp tane says: March 13, 2011 at 8:38 pmthis is also a rich list out of the top richest femalee singers, Madonna, Mariah, barabra, and celine1 is Madonna 2 is Mariah Carey 3 is barabara streisand 4 is Celine Dionheres a link and you’ll see its true: infomusicworld.com/10-richest-female-singers-in-the-world.html tane says: March 13, 2011 at 9:03 pmMariah Carey is also richer than Celine Dion: heres a link that tells you somademan.com › Celebs › Singers:madonnas worth: 1.1 billion Mariah Careys worth: 750 million Celine Dions worth: 590 million LuckyLuke says: March 13, 2011 at 11:10 pm#here is an estimated look over MCs albums!!1990 Mariah Carey US Sales: 9 million (18 million–worldwide)1991 Emotions US Sales: 5 million (14 million–worldwide)1992 ‘MTV Unplugged US Sales: 3 million (15 million–worldwide)1993 Music Box US Sales: 10 million (28 million–worldwide)1994 ‘Merry Christmas US Sales: 5 million (16 million–worldwide)1995 Daydream US Sales: 10 million (25 million–worldwide)1997 Butterfly US Sales: 5 million (17 million–worldwide)1998 ‘#1’s US Sales: 5 million (16.5 million–worldwide)1999 Rainbow US Sales: 3 million (12 million–worldwide)2001 Glitter US Sales: 1 million (5 million–worldwide)2001 ‘Greatest Hits US Sales: 750,000 copies(4 million–worldwide)2002 Charmbracelet US Sales: 1.2 million (6 million–worldwide)2003 ‘The Remixes US Sales: 900,000 copies (1.8 million–worldwide)incliding emancipations of mimi which sold 10 million albums worldwide and sold 3 million in the US!plus E=MC2 album sales: 2 500 00, 2 million in which 1 million was sold in the US.memoirs of an imperfect angle album sales: 501 000merry Christmas II you album sales: 500 000so now album sales are: Total Sales:191.5 million copies sold worldwide, US Sales: 63.5 million copies soldthis is a correct estimation of Mariah Careys album sales!!!! so please just read and you’ll see:) # tane Says: March 13th, 2011 at 8:20 pmmusic box actually sold 32 million worldwide my mistake!so worldwide sales are now: 195.5 million albums sold worldwide! # tane Says: March 13th, 2011 at 8:21 pmhere is a link of where thoses album sales estimations came from!8notes.com/biographies/carey.asp # tane Says: March 13th, 2011 at 8:38 pmthis is also a rich list out of the top richest femalee singers, Madonna, Mariah, barabra, and celine1 is Madonna 2 is Mariah Carey 3 is barabara streisand 4 is Celine Dionheres a link and you’ll see its true: infomusicworld.com/10-richest-female-singers-in-the-world.html # LuckyLuke Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation. March 13th, 2011 at 11:05 pm@ taneYou accused me of bringing Wikipedia facts here and yourlist is wikipedia-based. See the typing style in it.I opened the link and it is like Wikipedia..!!Your list is not to be trusted and let me show you why :– It says for instance That MTV Live sold 15mworldwide and 3m of it coming from Us. You reallybelieve this ?That would mean that Celine’s ”The Colour Of My Love”would sell 30m worldwide cause it sold 6m in US &4m in Europe & 800k in Australia & 1m Canada.I don’t know why you swallow up these lies. MTV soldaround 6m coming from Us (3m) , Canada 3P = 300k , somecopies in Europe (not certified) and so on…ALSO , you wrote that TEOM is 3P in Us ! so you don’tknow anything because TEOM is 6P in Us. See ? Pleaseleave this debade cause you don’t have knowledge at all.-You claim 6m for Charmbracelet. Charmbraceletis only Platinum (1m+) in Us and not certified inAustralia , Europe , Canada , Japan… I don’t how itsold 6m copies. That would mean that Taking Chancessold 10m copies because it is certified platinum , goldor multiplatinum all around the world . From Us(Platinum) to Japan (Gold) to S.Africa (2P) to Canada(4P) and so on !! So don’t bring fake random lists here.EVEN if you compare MTV LIVE with other MARIAH albumson your list it shows how stupid your list is, becauseyou say her debut sold 18m worldwide and MTV live 15mworldwide when her debut sold 6m copies in Us MOREthan MTV Live. That means MTV live outsold her debutworldwide which is a lie because ”Mariah Carey” wasway more successful worldwide that MTV Live. ”MariahCarey” sold 700k In Canada , 1m Europe , 1m Japan etcwhich is much more than what MTV sold !! So how herdebut sold only 3m more ? ? ? It makes no sense at all.Finally Celine is richer than Mariah. Even Broken-Tand TRISH have said so…and this mainly because ofher tours. Celine is the 5th richer woman of theentertainemt world. I think Mariah ranked at number6 or 7.Here : forbes.com/2007/01/17/richest-women-entertainment-tech-media-cz_lg_richwomen07_0118womenstars_slide_6.htmlSee ? My link is from FORBES magazine ! One of the mostreliable sources when it comes to info on money etc.Your list comes from a website. -.-’—— Now —–I can reply to your links by these.Open then up :-)1. ifpi.org/content/library/top50-2007.pdf2. ifpi.org/content/library/top50-2002.pdf3. ifpi.org/content/library/top50-2008.pdfifpi.org/content/section_news/plat_month_20031209.html4. ifpi.org/content/library/top50-2003.pdf5. canoe.com/divertissement/musique/nouvelles/2007/12/11/4719391-ca.html6. community.indigo.ca/posts/Karen-Kennedy/user-92962/330333.html7. newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/January2008/17/c2039.html8. billboard.biz/bbbiz/charts/yearendcharts/chart_display.jsp?f=Top+Music+Video+Sales&g=Year-end+Singles9. billboard.biz/bbbiz/charts/yearendcharts/2008/chart_display.jsp?f=Top+Music+Video+Sales&g=Year-end+Singles10. rockstarweekly.com/celine-dion-receives-three-video-awards-for-quick-sales.html11. latimesblogs.latimes.com/music_blog/2010/01/celine-dion-reaches-peak-of-the-decades-ultimate-top-10.html12. montrealgazette.com/entertainment/Celine+Dion+Forbes+list/1885772/story.html13. uptoline.com/in-december-2009-pollstar-announced-that-celine-dion-was-the-best-selling-solo-touring-act14. uk.reuters.com/article/idUKTRE4BS4ZM200812315. new.music.yahoo.com/blogs/chart_watch/34074/chart-watch-extra-the-top-20-album-sellers-of-the-2000s/16. pollstar.com/blogs/news/archive/2010/02/10/709096.aspx17. billboard.com/charts#/charts-decade-end/billboard-200-albums?year=2009&begin=21&order=position18. new.music.yahoo.com/blogs/chart_watch/34074/chart-watch-extra-the-top-20-album-sellers-of-the-2000s/19. chicagotribune.com/topic/entertainment/music/01011000.topic20. latimesblogs.latimes.com/music_blog/2010/01/celine-dion-reaches-peak-of-the-decades-ultimate-top-10.html21. lejournaldequebec.canoe.ca/journaldequebec/artsetspectacles/encoreplus/archives/2009/12/20091230-203458.html22. canada.com/topics/news/story.html?id=90da7aa0-f97e-4bc1-9985-1fb521cf0d5e&k=2004523. ctv.ca/CTVNews/Entertainment/20040914/dion_award040914/24. sonymusic.ch/Celine-Dion/Delles/P/47711786725.fanpop.com/spots/celine-dion/videos/9500322/title/celine-dion-entertainer-new-millennium26.mariahcarey.com/news/awards.php27.nme.com/artists/mariah-carey28.celebrity9.com/mariah-carey/biography.html\29. billboard.com/news/mariah-carey-releasing-second-christmas-1004115754.story#/news/mariah-carey-releasing-second-christmas-1004115754.story30.billboard.com/bbcom/specials/hot100/charts/top100-artists-20.shtml31.mediatraffic.de/alltime-album-chart.htm32.billboard.com/column-chartbeat/20-20-vision-mariah-marks-milestone-1004094895.story#/column-chartbeat/20-20-vision-mariah-marks-milestone-1004094895.story33. billboard.com/news/ask-billboard-celine-dion-celebrates-chart-1004134468.story#/news/ask-billboard-celine-dion-celebrates-chart-1004134468.story34. aboutcelinedion.net/celine-dion-awards.html35. allmusic.com/artist/mariah-carey-p62404/biography36. islanddefjam.com/artist/news_single.aspx?nid=7892&artistID=738637. findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0EIN/is_1998_Oct_21/ai_53110374/pg_2/?tag=content;col138. esctoday.com/news/read/313339. contactmusic.com/new/xmlfeed.nsf/story/dion-to-be-honoured-at-world-music-awards40. news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/3649660.stm41. musique.premiere.fr/MCM/News/Celine-Dion-prolonge-son-bail/(gid)/225695242. copines.ca/Potins/2415__Celine_Dion_au_repos_force.html43. celinemaniacs.com/giornali_2/JournaldeMontreal_September16_2004_pag1.jpg44. teemix.aufeminin.com/w/star/n10085/news/Celine-Dion-a-Las-Vegas-jusqu-en-2007.html45. i11.photobucket.com/albums/a190/brunosilva/DiamondAward-Nomeao.jpg46. youtube.com/watch?v=iaOaFLVW_Wc47. youtube.com/watch?v=8HkjsltvO1I48. youtube.com/watch?v=8FC8JehshWw49. womaninjava.blogspot.com/2010/06/celine-marie-claudette-dion-is-canadian.html50. worldlingo.com/ma/enwiki/en/I%27m_Alive_%28Celine_Dion_song%29* I said 10 Grammy to her songs ! (5 of which wentto composers) ! I Wrote it up , you didn’t read it.-.-‘ PffffffffBye Bye LuckyLuke says: March 14, 2011 at 2:15 am* Mistake -> Charmbracelet is Gold in Canada (50k+) LuckyLuke says: March 14, 2011 at 5:50 am* Mistake -> MTV Unplugged is Platinum in Canada (100k+), not 3xPlatinum.Mtv Unplugged -> 3xP Us (3m) , 1xP Canada (100k) ,Gold UK (150k) , 2xGold France (200k) , Not CertifiedIn Japan (unlike her other albums) cause it onlypeaked at number 13 at Japanese Charts.So MTV sold over 6m copies,not 15m copies.Something more…According to Nielsen Soundscan Mariah’s”Remixies” have sold 200-300k in Us. I don’t knowhow you dare to say the sold 900k . . .Don’t Lie to me Pls. LuckyLuke says: March 14, 2011 at 5:51 am* Mistake -> MTV Unplugged is Platinum in Canada (100k+), not 3xPlatinum.Mtv Unplugged -> 3xP Us (3m) , 1xP Canada (100k) ,Gold UK (150k) , 2xGold France (200k) , Not CertifiedIn Japan (unlike her other albums) cause it onlypeaked at number 13 at Japanese Charts.So MTV sold over 6m copies,not 15m copies.Something more…According to Nielsen Soundscan Mariah’s”Remixies” have sold 200-300k in Us. I don’t knowhow you dare to say it sold 900k . . .Don’t Lie to me Pls. LuckyLuke says: March 14, 2011 at 4:22 pmMistake again ->Mtv Unplugged is 2 Platinum in Japan (500k) :-D it wasnumber 1 at International Japanese Charts and 13 onJapanese charts..! :-D tane says: March 14, 2011 at 6:52 pm:) well its right to me! including these sources which r not Wikipedia based!!you accuse me of these fake facts when ur Celine facts are fake well some!these facts are straight:) its just hard 4 you Celine fanss to believe what’s true!! LuckyLuke says: March 14, 2011 at 8:10 pm@ taneCan you read at all ? You say your list is right whenyou claim TEOM sold 3m in Us..! Wake Up !Your link is coming from Wikipedia. Anyone can see this.My Celine facts are not fake at all.Mariah has sold 64m in Us , 26m Europe , 5m Canada ,4m Oceania and 50m in Asia (according to TRISH)—> 150m in these markets.Do you say she sold 50m in S.America and Africa ? ? ?Answer to this or just go to hell !Celine sold 240m records & grossed 680m from her latesttours. Face it dear…bye bye..! LuckyLuke says: March 15, 2011 at 12:22 am@ taneMariah sold 165-170m Albums THE MOST as it is provedby Columbia Records data / Millennium Award (130m by2000) , World Music Award in 2003 (150m by 2003) and hercurrent Label that announced 200m + records as ofNovember 2010.What you claim contradicts with all these sources& Guinness Book Of Records & All Celine’s awards& what is said by the Media.Finally , what you say is not real because you can’tprove it by certifications. Mariah sold 64m in Us ,26m in Europe , 5m Canada (The most) , 4m (The most)in Oceania and as TRISH claims over 50m in Asia—> 150m Albums without counting Africa & S.America.I don’t believe Mariah sold 45m in Africa and S.America.It is so simple.And let me show you why I like to be EXACT with what Isay. For instance I say she sold almost 5m in Canada.Let me prove it to you.Canada = Platinum = 100kMariah’s Canadian Certifications Are :1.Mariah Carey 7xP2.Emotions 4xP3.Mtv Live 1xP4.Music Box 7xP5.Merry Christmas 1xP6.Daydream 7xP7.Butterfly 2xP8.Number 1s 3xP9.Rainbow 2xP10.Glitter Not Certified11.Charmbracelet Gold (50k+)12.Greatest Hits Not Certified13.The Remixies Not Certified14.The Emancipation Of Mimi 3xP15.E=MC2 Platinum16.Ballads Not Certified17.Memoirs Of An Imperfect Angel Not Certified18.Playlist Not Certifed19.Merry Christmas To You Not Certified.Mariah’s Certifications In Canada reach the 3.9m mark.If you add sales of her non certified albums (Below 50k)& album sales that probably suprass the certificationyou see she barely reaches the 5m mark there.Don’t imply I lied about her certifications becausethey are so exact in Canada , Us , Europe , Oceania andJapan..!Source : Canada Recording Industry Association (CRIA)cria.ca/gold/1105_g.php& you can also check Nielsen Soundscan for what I claim.It is responsible for counting exact sales in Us andCanada since March 1991. At least I don’t contradictwith awards or label’s or sites or certifications likeyou do. The Reason says: March 15, 2011 at 12:49 amTANE SAID”: what I meant was it is true Mariah sold 150 million albums 1990 to 2003,heres my mistake guys Mariah Careys sold over 220 million records worldwide not albums,meaning she sold 175 to 180 million albums worldwide and the rest are singlesalbum sales for MC: 180 million”I guess this is my BEST answer to TRISH to see howother lambs put her in total shame.It is true Tane. Mariah sold 220m records worldwidecoming from 165m albums & 55m singles.(not 180m albumsand 40m singles)This is correct ! :-D TRISH says: March 15, 2011 at 8:52 am@Lucky Luke: Yes,I agree.This debate is over as Mariah is the winner ! I gave so many proves for Mariah,not only about her record sales but also in every musical assets,achievements and fulfillments.She just KILLS Celine in everything ! I see 0 proof coming from you,Except the only one that Celine is more successful than Mimi on tours and tickets concerts sales ! You just try to make replies with some impressive partial,biased and fan made links and sources that can’t be trusted as you know it yourself ! It’s become impossible to give all your contradictions in these debates.Ouh ! …LMAO ! Yes,show us where Celine sells “185 m albums” Your reply must not be just full,but before all,reliable.But,this time I hope that you’ll bring reliable datas and sources cause the ones you usually post are all biased and partials ! About Mariah’s 200 million album sold worldwide,just read the entire blog ,then you could see how many times lambs (include me) gave proves about it !You said “Celine influences young artists. Of course she does.You said they respect her. This is enough for me.” Nobody never claim the opposite,but we claim that Mariah is the TOP influencial female artist ! This debate is about whom is better among Celine and Mariah,not just in records sales (unlike the blog Top Selling female artist Madonna or Mariah),but in everything ! This is what you refuse to understand.There is one of both (Celine and Mariah) who is better on influence and this is Mariah Carey.So,saying that Celine influences Garou,Charice,Marc Dupre,etc… is just STUPID ! There is one of them who got the better voice and this is Mimi.All these bulls*its you claim about Celine’s voice mean nothing.Mariah wins once again.That’s doesn’t mean Celine’s voice isn’t good.This is a debate about the better artist among Celine and Mariah.Use your brain ! Human got brain not just for collect “links” but also for make analyses,statements,judgements,etc…Comparison between 2 huge artists mean that both couldn’t be equal in everything.I recognize Celine slays Mariah in Tours,and in concerts Tickets ! But YOU ! You try to say Celine equals Mariah in everything Voice,Influence,contribution,legacy,etc… You just look like a crazy obsessed FANATIC ! Cause it’s untrue.Mariah slays Celine on these things ! 1. I base my FACTS not just on Us mainstream singers,but on worldwide artists like Beyonce ( Huge worldwide artist), Rihanna ( 5 number 1 Singles in Eurochart,much more than Celine), Christina (International artist),Backstreet Boys ( Huge international boys band),Justin Timberlake ( International Artist), Kelly Clarkson, ( Lynnsha,Pixie Lott ,Leona Lewis, Jessica Simpson, Utada,Nina ,Alicia Keys,Ne-yo,etc… What do you mean by “a true music Expert ” for David Foster ? Just because he’s a songwriter and producer that already worked with Celine ? Primero: David Foster had never work with Mariah Carey.Moreover,he’s a Canadian like Celine,so it’s normal that he boost Celine’s vocal reputation as a good compatriot. Segundo:Walter Afanasieff (A Russian songwriter and producer) that worked with many great vocalists including Mariah and Celine,claimed that Mariah is the best vocalist in the world and also the most skillfull singer ever worldwide! Tommy Mottola claimed that Mariah Carey is the discovery of the century as vocalist ! That’s why Columbia invested so much money for Mariah’s debut album.Mottola really believed that Mariah was an exceptional vocalist ! Mottola said that for Celine in late 1995,just because Celine obey Sony and stay in Pop music unlike Mariah who had rebel against Columbia and Tommy for making albums by her own feelings and improved Hip Hop material through her music. Tercero: Mariah’s vocal reputation doesn’t lies in claiming of huge personalities,nor and her collaborations with famous vocalists,but in her songs ! Mariah’s voice doesn’t need boost and interpretations.It talk by itself !How Celine could sold 175m albums by 2004 when her 2011 sales even doesn’t reach 170 million albums? It’s impossible ,since global sales increase through the years,not decrease ! Celine need much more albums to have success.She release much more albums than Mariah ! Mariah’s 10 best seller albums kills Celine’s by faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar !!!! Celine sold 12m copies with 2 best French Albums,not 14 million. . Mariah got WMA for her sales per year overall.”World Music Award” Keep the meaning of “WORLD”. Mariah received WMA every year of 1990’s for overall sales .That’s why her global sales in 2000 year surpassed any female artist in music history ! Celine started to receive impressive Award in 2004 (though it was irrelevant,according to her own fans),Sorry it’s too late for catch up with Mariah…Lol ! Mariah sold more than two times Celine’s global singles sales ! Worlwide Best Female Singles Sellers 1- Mariah Carey 2- Madonna 3- Whitney Houston 4- Britney Spears 5- Janet Jackson 6- Shakira 7- Celine DionYou said “Celine and Madonna are same amount of songs became worldwide smash Hits”. I remind you that Mariah surpasses both by far on worldwide hits ! So it’s clear that Mariah sold much more singles worldwide than Madonna and Celine ! About Hits,Celine can compete with Susan Boyle since,both have just only one worldwide hit ! You are so obsessed that you think every Celine song is a worldwide hit like All By Myself,I Am Your Angel,Tell Him,I’m Alive,That’s The Way It Is,It’s All Coming Back To Me Now,Sous Le Vent,Je Sais Pas,Pour Que Tu M’aime Encore,The Power Of Love.etc… They are local hits ! Only My Heart Will Go On and Because You Loved Me really deserved to be called Hit face to Mariah’s true worldwide Hits ! Celine is just able to sells out stadiums,nothing else .Mariah’s singles sells and climb Charts unlike Celine’s ! Mariah is THE ONLY ARTIST IN HISTORY that spent 79 weeks in Billboard Hot 100 Singles ! Celine is only good nowadays for top 10 singles in AC charts. Nothing more after ANDHC !!! ( nine years already and counting) Yes,all Celine’s recent Awards are irrelevant cause they doesn’t match with her real sales ! I am a huge expert next to you ! You are not more than a crippled failure,a delusional Celine fan who can’t see the world without some nasal eyes ! A Silly and pathetic male slut that can’t face the truth that The European industry lie about Celine’s insignificant sales and that is MARIAH CAREY THAT STILL DESERVE THE TITLE OF BEST SELLING FEMALE ARTIST OF ALL TIMES !!! CELINE IS A FRANCOPHONE BEST SELLER ! MIMI IS A WORLDWIDE BEST SELLER OVERALL !!! YOU DARE SAYING THAT CELINE SOLD MORE ALBUMS WORLDWIDE THAN MIMI ? I remind you that Tane said that Mariah is the best selling female artist.Moreover,Tane also said that Mimi has the better voice that she slays Celine on singles sales and that Mimi’s albums sales reach 200 m ! Besides,there is so many contradictions between You,Moff and Shut Up that it would be impossible for me to mention all them ! Celine can move humorously on stage but she can’t dance. Move on now -.- Celine equals Susan Boyle and Mother Theresa on dance skills ! Ask any straight man whom among Celine and Mariah is a real dancer ,then you’ll be surprise by his obvious answer that Mariah dance whereas Celine make clown moves ! RIAA is a reliable source to show us how much artists sold in Us.Billboard is relevant for Charts ! You feign to believe Billboard because of its incorrect estimations towards your idols.(40 million singles sold by Madonna in US,etc…)What a good joke ! Hahaha! This is RIAA who count sales in US ! Sales are numbers. Numbers are OBJECTIVE but they are easily falsifiable. That’s why you claimed 54 million albums sold by Celine in Europe,then 60 million, That’s why Shut Up claimed 15 million albums sold by Madonna in Asia while you said 25 million for Madonna’s albums sales there ! That’s why Guinness claimed Madonna’s sales in 2003 reached 300 million albums,then 200 million ones in 2010. That’s why IFPI claimed Nana Mouskouri sold 200 million albums worldwide while she even integrate any IFPI best seller albums nor artists lists sales . Anyone can change sales numbers ! Yes,I imply institutions conspiracy,when I shown and proved their partilities ! You said :“Nana Mousxouri released her albums worldwide ! The fact that Mousxouri comes from Europe doesn’t mean that IFPI is responsible for her OVERALL Sales ! If Mariah retires , RIAA won’t be in position to talk about her worldwide sales , just for Us ones.” RIAA never made the mistake to say that Mariah sold 200 million albums worldwide ,like IFPI did for Nana.RIAA never made estimations ! Unlike IFPI. RIAA’s datas are based on real and verifiable number sales !It talk about sales in US only !Besides,Nana Mouskouri is not a worldwide artist ,since her sales are timited to Europe ( only Canada can be really cited as her market out of Europe ). Nana Mouskouri real global sales doesn’t reach 50 million,as I already shown and proved. You said “I never put an asset Celine doesn’t have.NEVER..!” This is what you did when you talked about Celine’s influence,Voice,contribution in music,Legacy,etc… Did you seen that lambs tried to improve Mariah on tours,concerts,entertainments,etc…? They didn’t ,not because Mariah is useless on this ,but because they know it’s a waste of time to response on this since Celine already beat Mariah on this ! It’s a waste of time tryng to convince readers on Celine voice,influence,legacy and contribution in music next to Mariah’s ! Mariah beat Celine on all this .You refuse to understand it ! No,no.You make a huge mistake.Tell Him , Immortality , It’s All Coming Back To Me Now doesn’t reach million sales in Europe ! You said “There is nothing easier for me to prove Celine’s record sales in Us , Europe , Canada , Oceania and Africa”.Indeed,biased links abound in the internet so it’s easy for you to pick them .What matters is the validity of these datas,they could be biased not only in the source itself you pick them up.But also,you could easily biase these datas when you put them here,on increasing them ! So it’s useless to post lists and certifications sales here cause nobody will swallow them ! ( you already inflated Celine’s RIAA certifications yourself, when you explained that they are undercertified).So,you really think that people will swallow your lists and links ? No,no.You know nothing about Mariah’s relationships with Mottola and Columbia.Mariah obey Tommy while her 5 first years at Columbia.In 1997,she disobeyed Mottola and released an Hip/Hop album (Butterfly).Since this time,Columbia and Mottola started to hate Mariah,as they known that a Pop album would sold much more .They even underpromoted Mariah’s singles and albums after 1997 comparatively to her previous albums . Mariah had a 10 year contract with Columbia,that she had to respect.You confound deal with obedience and you call others stupids ??? Mariah never sing for money,unlike Celine.If she had stay in the Daydream way,she would have other albums selling over 25 million copies worldwide in 1997,1998,etc…!Mariah sacrified her huge success on Pop music to mark the way for R&B/Hip Hop music. Celine had to tour to GROSS MONEY TO SONY AND TO HERSELF NOT TO SHARE HER TALENT ! If she was really worried about sharing her talent,she would take part in writing and producing of the songs like other artists do ! There is nothing to share as talent on stage when you already break trhought musical market.People need to show their talent in music competions ( UK got talents, X- Factor, American Academy,etc…) It so banal to say that ! Mariah already proved her exceptional talent so many times,including in 1992 at the MTV UNPLUGGED EP show ! A real artist is not border to just sing,but also to take significant part of the making of her songs ! not just bring back money ! So the fact that Wikipedia doesn’t mention Celine’s legacy proves she hasn’t legacy.You’ll see that in every Celine’s biography.(maybe some fanatics could create fake legacy that she doesn’t have in facts).No one can talk about legacy for Celine ! Your crap babbling lies are not to called legacy.Just read Beyonce’s biography and you’ll could have an idea about what is called like that ! No matter if Mariah doesn’t have certified albums in the markets you mentioned,since her sales in US and Asia blow Europe and all the markets you mentioned here.And I even don’t mention Oceania and Latin America.That’s why her 2000’s albums surpass all Celine’s on sales although Celine’s got many certifications coming from European markets !On The List You posted…Nothing impressive. Celine’s achievements have all FRANCOPHONE base.So, they are all local. ( Quebec,France,Monaco,etc…) Mariah’s achievements are WORLDWIDE ! *Best selling Female artist of all Times ! *Best/Greatest Voice Ever ! Best selling Artist in Asia *Best selling French *Best selling R&B artist *Best selling non-Asian artist in Asia *Best selling Christmas album *Best selling Christmas single *Most certified Platinum singles in USA Then *Best selling artist non-Asia *Best selling album in Japan * Best selling album in China *Best selling album in South Korea *Best selling album in Taiwan -Mariah’s Music Box,Daydream,Butterfly,# 1’s,Charmbracelet are the only western albums to pass 500 000 legal sales and more in China !.Music Box sold over 750 000 copies in China and is the best selling non-Asian album in China. -#1’s is the best selling non-Asian album in Taiwan -Music Box is the best selling non-Asian album in South Korea ( Whitney Houston owns the second best selling album there )*Best selling artist overall of the 1990 decade ( Guinness World Records,World Music Award ) *Best selling female artist of the whole last Millennium ( Millennium Award ) *Over 25 certified Gold singles in USA * Most influencial female artist/singer worldwide * Most # 1 songs penned by a female songwriter * Most World Music Awards than any other artist overall * Most weeks cumulated atop the the Billboard Hot 100 * Most # 1 singles in Billboard ( the largest chart ) *Larger vocal range ever ( for having hit the highest vocal note ever ) And countless others achievements and records ! MOFF says: March 15, 2011 at 1:58 pmBest selling female artists:1. Madonna 200 million albums 2. Celine Dion 185 million albums 3. Mariah Carey 170 million albums soldTrish is a liar. Nothing more. Why should Guinness, WMA, IFPI, Mediatraffic lie.mediatraffic.de/top-track-achievements.htmpopcrunch.com/madonna-guiness-book-of-records-worlds-most-successful-female-musician/ifpi.org/content/section_news/plat_month_20060913.htmlNobody believes you. Delete her ! tane says: March 15, 2011 at 8:21 pmmariah has surpased 170 million albums worrldwide! those album sales are 6 uyears old meaning 6 years ago Mariah has sold over 175 million albums worldwide but as of today she has sold over 195.5 million albums worldwide!and the reason I changed frm 180 million to 195.5 million was my mistake, so Mariah Carey is a better seller than Celine Dion!so far what Celine Dion manages to do better than Mariah is have bigger concerts! the lambs aka Mariahs fans ask her to tour, they plead her they force her!whereas Celine just tours because she wants to! Mariah has more fans than Celine Dion!and how you luke said that Celine Dion has influenced more artists that’s a lie! charice and whoever you said are bearly internationally famous! wheareas Mariah Carey has influenced beyonce, brittany spears, Christina Aguilera, pink, Kelly Clarkson, Jessica Simpson etc….you can also tell why Mariah influenced them because they do some of the same vocal runs as Mariah, and also try to do her high notes!!!Mariah Carey has more awards than Celine Dion, and some of them being the main awards which other artists like Celine Dion and Madonna try to recieve which not one of then have yet: millenium award for biggest selling artist of all time at world music awards! billlboard artist of the decade award special achievement award( on recieved by 2 other artists in the past 3 years!) and countless others! mariah has more certifies than Celine Dion recieved by over 40 countries!so its obvious who the true artist is MARIAH CAREY!!! LuckyLuke says: March 15, 2011 at 11:20 pm@ TRISH01.You gave 0 proves for Mariah and you keep oncontradicting with Columbia Records (130m by 2000) ,World Music Awards (150m by 2003) and IslandDef Jam (200m records+ by 2010) ! Keep dreamingyou proved everything. You see no further proofcause you don’t want to see it , since youdon’t trust Celine’s awards , Cerfifications, what Media say , IFPI , mediatraffic and so on.02.If the links are biased explain to me WHY theyare biased. I want you to ellaborate on each oneof them.03.You ask me to bring Celine’s certifications.Why ? To call them partial ? You don’t trustIFPI for instance. If I don’t trust Asiancertification system wouldn’t I be a FOOLto demand Asian certifications from you ?04.I don’t think Mimi has a better voice over Celine !Why do you insist changing my mind on this ?05.We are not in position to judge who influencedmore artists. Moreover to judge this , we shouldalso know the LEVEL of the influence and so on.So we have to create lists of artists influencedby Mariah and Celine & see the level so we canobjectively count.06.You are such a fool because I already said thatMariah has more contribution in total. My replyon Celine’s contribution was only because you deniedeverything Celine achieved (Francophone influence etc).See ? You take it all the wrong way.07.You lie about some of these artists. Justin Timberlake– just to gossip a little bit – DENIED to duet withMariah in 2002. Mariah wanted to have a duet withJustin on her song ”Yours” but he refused causeMariah was not popular. Still,in 2006 after TEOMJusting wanted a duet with MC but she denied back !Ha ha ha ! but honestly, I don’t see how Justinis influenced by Mariah.08.David Foster is a composer ! He owns what is called”music pedagogy” . He worked with ALL divas , notjust Celine. He did ”There For Me” for Mariah forinstance.See that you IGNORE things ? There are so many thingsyou don’t know and you just keep coming back withyour HUGE EGO to post crap !! Your effort tocall him partial fails again. Walter Afanasieff doesn’teven talk with MC nowadays but let’s move on.Tommy Motolla called Celine the BEST VOICE. Of courseMariah was a discovery. She worked like a robotunder his instructions and made him rich.I wish a make a discovery like this !! ha ha ha09.Mariah is not a rebel. She would be a rebel if shestarted her ”rebellion” before selling 100m recordsworldwide ! She played safe ! She did her rebellionafter she was esteblished as a world icon…so…this doesn’t mean much to me.10.You write : ”How Celine could sold 175m albums by2004 when her 2011 sales even doesn’t reach 170 millionalbums?”Uhmm…YOU say she sold 170m by 2011. Don’t take thisas a fact because it is only your stupid opinion AFTERyou deleted her sales.11.Celine’s 10 best sellers suprass Mariah by far :-)Over 100m coming from LTAL , FIY , TCOML , ATW !Over 14m coming from D’eux (10m , S’il suffisaitd’aimer. (4m) !!D’eux sold 8m in Europe (8P) , 700k+ In Canada (7P) ,250k-300k to Us according to Billboard. 9m from thesemarkets. 1m more from the rest of the world.12.Mariah recieved awards in 90s for her sales per year.Not overall. Besides,after mid 90s Celine recievedthese awards.13.NONE of her fans calls Diamond award irrelevant.It is just you and a few pathetic lambs.14.You had the NERVE to say :”Mariah sold more than two times Celine’s globalsingles sales !Worlwide Best Female Singles Sellers1- Mariah Carey 2- Madonna 3- Whitney Houston 4- Britney Spears 5- Janet Jackson 6- Shakira 7- Celine Dion” !!!How come Celine sold more than Beyonce and Lady Gaga insingles ? Ha Ha Ha HaSee why you just LIE ? Gaga sold 55m singles in 2 years.15.I never said Madonna and Celine have same amountof worldwide hits.You are a liar. Madonna has at least18 number 1s at UWC and Celine 4 !16.Mariah doesn’t have more worldwide hits than Celine.This is a lie.17.I never said Sous le vent , je sais pas ,pour que tu m’aimes encore are GLOBAL hits.On the other songs…well they are…I am Your Angel (for instance) is Celine’s3rd best selling single.18.That’s the way it is spent 8w at number 1at UWC. NONE of Mariah’s songs come close to thisepic worldwide radio hit.19.I don’t know your definition of ”world hits”,really.Maybe you should make a list of Mariah’sWORLDWIDE hits , by giving me peak positions andcertifications.20.We know Mariah’s Billboard achievents.Still,thisdoesn’t prove her worldwide success.21.Celine , you fool , sold albums steadily afterANDHC & improved as a performer & sold almost 4m dvds& grossed 680m from her tours. So try again :)22.You are an epic failure ! You call yourself expert ?ha ha ha ! Ok … I am going to believe you ! Lmao !23.European industry counted exactly Celine’s sales.Try again :-)24.Tane said Celine sold more albums than Mariahand brought a list where TEOM is shown to have sold3m in Us ! Need to say more ? ? ?25.Celine sold 20m albums MORE than Mariah !!!26.There are NO contradiction between me MOFFand Shutup ! If there are SHOW THEM TO ME !Not all ! Just 2 or 3 ! can you ?I already replied on this before.I guessyou didn’t read my answer.27.Mariah can’t move on stage. Mariah HAS SAIDTHAT SHE CAN’T DANCE ! SHE SAID SHE HATES DANCING !Time to stop arguing on this.28.RIAA certifies shipments and Nielsen Soundscancounts sales. Madonna’s singles certificationsshow us she sold 40m ! (by RIAA)29.RIAA certified 4 Celine singles PLATINUMand you said she has 2m selling singles there.May I ask you WHY you posted this ?You just made a mistake ?30.Celine sold 60m in Europe.End of story.I toldyou these days I searched info on her sales.OVER 50m sold before 2003.Since she has 2 platinumalbums in Europe (1m+) (One Heart , Taking Chances)This is why I said almost54m. I wanted to stickto the certifications.31.What You claim about IFPI and GBR are LIESAND YOU CAN’T PROVE THEM ! IFPI is not in positionto prove Mousxouri’s worldwide sales.IFPI neverannounced sales for Mousxouri.GIRL , you try to prove IFPI is wrong becauseshe PROBABLY made a mistake on Mousxouri ?This is enough for your LITTLE BRAINto prove it also lies on Celine ?Of course only estimations would be made on Nanabecause she released over 400 albums without havinga huge seller..! YOU NEVER PROVED THE 50M SALESFOR MOUSXOURI ! YOU NEVER SHOWED IT ! YOU NEVERPROVED IT !32.You said : ””So it’s useless to post lists and certifications saleshere cause nobody will swallow them !” !So you don’t believe Immortality is platinum inGermany and Silver in France and UK ?If you can’t even believe THIS , then don’t bother comingback. It is POINTLESS for me to bring certifications toyou !!!33.Celine has 51m certified albums. Check NielsenSoundscan for the rest..!34.I know Mariah disobeyed Motola in 1997.This isnot important at all. This doesn’t make her brave.She had her stable career.25.What is TRUE is that Mariah’s projectswere underpromoted.26.You confound deal with obedience when you calledCeline a robot that sings for money ! You did it first.27.”Mariah sacrified her huge success on Pop music tomark the way for R&B/Hip Hop music.”Ha ha ha ! don’t be so dramatic. You almost made mecry..!28.Celine LOVES touring as Mariah LOVES writing songs.You say Celine does it because of money. Anyonecould imply Mariah songwrites songs for money as well..!29.Wikipedia says ”Celine Dion possesses a sopranovocal range that spans five octavesand is regarded as one of pop music’s most influentialvoices. ”See ? I laugh because you SUDDENLY seem to trustwikipedia when it is CONVINIENT for you.So why don’t you swallow what Wikipedia saysfor Celine sales ? ha ha ha30.Celine has legacy as 1.A Voice , B.FrancophoneArtist , C.Performer.31.Oceania and S.America are markets where Celinesold much more than Mariah.Sorry :-)32.You wrote for Mariah : ”Best selling French”This proves how reliable you are. :-)33.You can’t prove what you claimed about Mariah’sAsian success.@ TANEAt least you posted sth right ! Mariah sold 165malbums by 2011. What you say contradicts withevery official announcement on her sales.Search more.Mariah doesn’t have morecertified albums than Celine.Celine sold over 180m albums since 1990.Undeniable winner.—————————————–CELINE DION (Unlike Mariah) has been Awarded / Creditedfor these :*Best selling Female artist*Best selling Artist in Europe*Best selling Canadian artist*Best selling French artist*Best selling Film Score of all Time*Best selling greatest hits worldwide of NS Era (All the way)*Best selling music DVD (A NEW DAY is one of the best selling DVD in music history)*Only Artist in history to have more than 1 album sell over 30 million worldwide (im sure MJ is on this list by now)*Best selling non-english album of all time& Second best selling French album , behind her own D’eux*Best selling single of 1998 / 2nb best selling of all times by female artist* 60m Soundratcks sold WORLDWIDE* 15m Coming From Other Projects WORLDWIDE* Special Awards in Europe , Africa , Canada* 65m Records sold in Us (Nielsen Soundscan)* Highest Grossing Solo Touring Act of 00s*Her last tour is the SECOND HIGHEST GROSSING TOUR IN HISTORY & 480m Dollars From Vegas Show* Over 1100 awards ( 10 Grammy / 2 Academy to her songs& Golden Globe & countless nominations)* Best selling French single of all times* Entertainer of The New Millenium* Most influencial francophone artist* Most influencial performer/artist in the history of Vegas* Yamaha Tokyo award for her voice at age 15,won by a Franch Song. &*Eurovsion song contest at age 20 with a french recordagain. (IMPRESSIVE)* 5,5m DVDs sold WORLDWIDE* Affected the economy state of Vegas. (The One And Only)—->Mariah is the best seller in Us (The past 20 years) andAsia of all time.All your falsified facts comefrom either Us or Asia and their countries.I am not pathetic to mention LOCAL awards for Celinein UK , Belgium , Switzeraland , Quebec etc like youdid with China , hong Kong etc etc etc !!Ha ha ha ha ah !!Celine all the way guys :-D !!!@ MOFF … I hope she gets deleted somehow. ”All I WantFor Christmas Is THIS”Lmao !!! MOFF says: March 16, 2011 at 7:43 amMariahs album sales stand at 160-170 million .. MAXIMUM 175 million. MAriah received the Diamond Award in 2003 for 150 (!) million album sales, and not like you said 170 million. Look exactly why she got this award – 150 ! Celine got her award for 175 million albums sold. Look it up.AND Mariah has never sold 50 million since 2003, she has sold about 25 million. So that does not contradict to the Award which she has received in 2003. There was just 1 big seller for Mariah in this decade – TEOM.So Celine has sold more albums than Mariah. Why should Island Def Jam lie with 200 million records sold ? Thats true! (Although Mariah has sold more records 210-230 million)You think Mariah has more fans ? Why don’t they go to Mariah concerts and and why do they let Mariah sing alone? None of her concert (-tours) are sold out 100 % ! Because she has more fans ?…. Mariah is a great artist and the third biggest selling female artist of all time! TRISH says: March 16, 2011 at 7:54 amIndeed,Mariah Carey is the best selling female artist of all times ! ( I made a mistake on my last post,putting “best selling french artist” among Mariah’s innumerable Worldwide achievements). @Lucky Luke: You said “what you say is not real because you can’t prove it by certifications. Mariah sold 64m in Us , 26m in Europe , 5m Canada (The most) , 4m (The most) in Oceania and as TRISH claims over 50m in Asia —> 150m Albums without counting Africa & S.America. I don’t believe Mariah sold 45m in Africa and S.America”. Really ? Just make the same analyze about Celine’s and Madonna’s sales by certifications and you’ll see the same problem with their total sales. It is so simple.1. @Tane,you’re so right in everything you say ! Thanks to make us know that Mariah is also more richer than Celine.I ignored it because I concentrated my researches on Mariah’s achievements, sales and talent. Here is the Tane’s list of Mimi’s albums ,which is is very very close to the one I showed in the other post .With rectifications at both ,we have : 1990 Mariah Carey US Sales: 9,7 million (19 million–worldwide) 1991 Emotions US Sales: 5 million (14 million–worldwide) 1992 ‘MTV Unplugged US Sales: 4 million (12 million–worldwide) 1993 Music Box US Sales: 10.5million (32 million–worldwide) 1994 ‘Merry Christmas US Sales: 5 million (17 million–worldwide) 1995 Daydream US Sales: 11million (27 million–worldwide) 1997 Butterfly US Sales: 5 million (17 million–worldwide) 1998 ‘#1’s US Sales: 5 million (19 million–worldwide) 1999 Rainbow US Sales: 3,7 million (12 million–worldwide) 2001 Glitter US Sales: 1 million (5 million–worldwide) 2001 ‘Greatest Hits US Sales: 1 million copies ( 5 million–worldwide) 2002 Charmbracelet US Sales: 1.2 million (6 million–worldwide) 2003 ‘The Remixes US Sales: 900,000 copies (1.8 million–worldwide) 2005 The Emancipation Of Mimi US Sales :6.7 million (13 million worldwide ) 2008- 2010 : E=MC2 (3m) + The Ballads (1m) + Memoirs Of An Imperfect Angel (2 m) + Playlist ( 0.2m) + Merry Christmas II You (0.8m) = 7 m Total : 207 million albums. So Mariah’s global albums sales even surpass slightly 200 million sold worldwide ! Mariah is the undeniable winner ! So Mariah beat Celine and Madonna on total sales,voice,talent,achievements,records,influence,legacy,contribution,popularity ! Celine and Madonna slays Mariah only in concert ticket sales ! Mariah Carey : best-selling female artist & greatest female artist of all times !Mariah ‘s main records : Mariah’s achievements are WORLDWIDE !*Best selling Female artist of all Times ! *Best/Greatest Voice Ever ! *Best selling non-Asian Artist in Asia *Best selling R&B artist *Best selling non-Asian artist in Asia*Best selling Christmas album*Best selling Christmas single*Best selling album in Japan *Best selling single in Japan* Best selling album in China*Best selling album in South Korea*Best selling album in Taiwan-Mariah’s Music Box,Daydream,Butterfly,# 1’s,Charmbracelet are the only western albums to pass 500 000 legal sales and more in China !.Music Box sold over 750 000 copies in China and is the best selling non-Asian album in that country. -#1’s is the best selling non-Asian album in Japan and Taiwan -Music Box is the best selling non-Asian album in South Korea ( Whitney Houston owns the second best selling album there ) *Best selling artist overall of the 1990 decade *Best selling female artist of the whole last Millennium*Most certified Platinum singles in USA*Over 25 certified Gold singles in USA *Most albums certified 4x Platinum or better in USA,by a female artist* Most influencial female artist/singer worldwide* Most # 1 songs penned by a female songwriter* Most World Music Awards than any other artist overall *Most Popular Christmas Song* Most weeks cumulated atop the the Billboard Hot 100 *Most weeks cumulated atop the Brazilian Hot 100 Singles* Most # 1 singles in Billboard Hot 100 Singles ( the largest Chart ) *Most Popular Artist In Asia Continent *Most popular artist overall of the 1990 decade*Larger vocal range ever ( for having hit the highest vocal note ever and also the lower )• Second richest female singer of the world ( worth over 750 million ) • And countless others achievements and records !Indeed,I realize how much Mariah is richer than Celine.Mariah owns huge part of the expensive royalties of her songs unlike Celine that owns 0 % from royalties .in the background of Gillette Venus , Mariah Carey signed an insurance deal about her legs,worthing 1 billion dollars !That’s proves how much she’s rich and her fortune is huge ! No doubt that she’s much more rich than Celine ! About the Forbes’s list this creep skinny and bony spotty ass refers to, it doesn’t indicate the fortune of the celebrities ,but rather their income for just one year ! Nothing to do with the fortune neither the total of income cumulated by the celebrities all along their career ! Mariah is really more richer than Celine !Mariah Carey is the best selling female artist of all times and the greatest singer ever ! She kicks Madonna’s skinny ass in the US,the greatest music market of the world ! Mariah got 27 certified gold singles and 15 certified Platinum singles in USA alongside a 20 years of career,Madonna got 25 certified gold singles and 4 certified Platinum singles there within 27 active years ! Madonna got 17 certified gold albums in the US and 12 certified Platinum albums there,Mariah got 17 certified gold albums and 15 certified platinum albums in US ! And all this in a shorter time than Madonna and with less releases ! No doubt who is better in America ! Nowadays Mariah carey sold at least the same amount of albums than Madonna in USA ( the difference of 0.5 million that existed before the release of MC2Y between their total album sales,there is covered since 2010 by the release of Merry Christmas 2 You.Mariah’s official total albums sales is just not updated yet ) and much more singles ( undeniable ! Their respective certifications in Us proves it,and Mariah would also beat Madonna with her uncertified sales !). Mariah Carey is the most succesful female artist in USA ! The Reason says: March 16, 2011 at 9:42 amI replied to this parody-post at the other debate.You are sick. MOFF says: March 16, 2011 at 10:39 amMariahs album sales stand at 160-170 million .. MAXIMUM 175 million. MAriah received the Diamond Award in 2003 for 150 (!) million album sales, and not like you said 170 million. Look exactly why she got this award – 150 ! Celine got her award for 175 million albums sold. Look it up.AND Mariah has never sold 50 million since 2003, she has sold about 25 million. So that does not contradict to the Award which she has received in 2003. There was just 1 big seller for Mariah in this decade – TEOM.So Celine has sold more albums than Mariah. Why should Island Def Jam lie with 200 million records sold ? Thats true! (Although Mariah has sold more records 210-230 million)You think Mariah has more fans ? Why don’t they go to Mariah concerts and and why do they let Mariah sing alone? None of her concert (-tours) are sold out 100 % ! Because she has more fans ?…. Mariah is a great artist and the third biggest selling female artist of all time! MyVegasEntertainment.Com says: March 16, 2011 at 12:27 pmShe is the Best-Selling Female Artist of All Time and has won five Grammy awards for Album of the Year, Record of the Year, Best Pop Album and Best Original Song for Beauty and the Beast then Titanic. Hailing from Quebec, Canada, Celine Dion has been a powerhouse vocalist since she was a young girl. Now as a mother and wife, she continues to charm audiences around the world with her sense of humor, honesty, and most of all, her incredible voice.She’s performed in five continents, 25 countries and before 3 million people across the globe. Right here in Las Vegas at Caesars Palace she sold out every single show during her previous 5-year residency before going out on tour in 2008-2009. Now Celine Dion returns to a city she considers a second home to once again sing hits like “My Heart Will Go On” and “It’s All Coming Back to Me Now” along with “Where Does My Heart Beat Now?” and “Because You Loved Me.” Celine Dion will be backed by dancers and a live band, making this production one you can’t miss if you’re a fan of the diva.If you’ve never seen Celine Dion perform before and are considering a ticket, make sure you buy your tickets soon. She’s won 20 Juno Awards, 40 Felix Awards, 5 Grammys and 7 American Music Awards; which should let you in on the level of talent Celine Dion continues to demonstrate and why her shows sell out so fast.mylasvegasentertainment.com/las-vegas-shows/las-vegas-show-reviews/celine-dion-caesars-palace-show-review.htmMariah Who ? Ha ha ha ha ha ha MOFF says: March 16, 2011 at 3:28 pmYes, Celine sold more than Mariah Carey, but less than Madonna. Fact tane says: March 16, 2011 at 5:03 pmtrish you are right about those sales, because some of those albums are 15 to 10 years old menaing if there that old people are still buying them!mariah is richer( worth 750 million) whilst Celine is worth 590 million!big difference!but I like both artist just Mariah Carey more because she has influenced me more and she makes me proud! LuckyLuke says: March 16, 2011 at 9:20 pm@ tane / TRISHYou are WRONG AGAIN !In May 2009,Celine Dion was named the 20th best-sellingartist of the decade in the United States and the second-best-selling female artist of the decade in the UnitedStates, selling an estimated 17.57 million albums.In June 2009, Forbes Magazine reported that Dion earned$100 million during 2008.In December 2009, Pollstar announced that Dion was thebest-selling solo touring act of the decade and thesecond-best-selling touring act of the decade, only tothe Dave Matthews Band.Dion grossed $522.2 million during the decade, a largesum of that coming from her five-year residence atCaesars Palace. Concert film and video release: late 2009–2010In January 2010, The Los Angeles Times presented itsannual list of the top ten largest earners of the year,and revealed that Celine Dion took the TOP spot for theentire decade, with $US747.9 million in total revenuefrom 2000-2009.The largest haul came in fromticket sales, totaling $522.2 million.On Top Of These Celine’s parfumes sold almost $US900million.You said Celine is worth 590m ! This is a big Lie ,cause as you see Celine earned 750m this decadewithout counting her parfumes , DVD sales.Mariah can’t compete with Celine in incom becauseMariah doesn’t have incom from ticket sales.PlusNONE of Celine albums were commercial dissapointmentsfor her label. Unlike Mariah , whose high budgetfully promoted albums are considered epic failuresby her label.For instance Glitter,was such a huge flopthat she was given money to leave the label.Finally, even other lambs said Celine has more moneythan Mariah,so what you and TRISH mention is untrue,falsified and biased and once more you are unableto prove Mariah’s money.On top of all of these , Celine new recidency showis already sold out —> more money for Celine.Her tours were seen by 6m people this decade withtickets being overpriced..!Celine is the top earner. The 5th richer womanin entertainment , behind Madonna (4th) , Martha S. (3rd), Rowling (2nd) and Oprah (1rst).Mariah is at number 6.gawker.com/#!229749/oprah-winfrey/forbes-annual-rich-ladies-list-reveals-madonnas-massive-orphanpurchasing-financial-reservesYou’d better die than Calling Forbes partial !You’d better hit your head in a wall before callingLA Times biased ! If you do , you should know thatyou are UNABLE to participate in a debate.Think of it. tane says: March 16, 2011 at 10:11 pmlukyluke: you are wrong Mariah Carey is richer! and Celine Dion earned 45 million dollars in forbes top 100, I watched it on E and I have to say not one singer earned 100 million dollars! including Celine Dion!why do you lie about her fortune when she is worth 590 million?Mariah Careys worth over 750 million because of all her endorsement deals she’s had, and her perfume she’s sold. like lollie pop bling was a hit perfume seller!thats why Mariah Carey is worth more!and luke the list you said about the richest woman in entertainment is 6 years old! they showed that on E in 2006!richest female singers of all time: madonna: 1.1 billion mariah: 750 million barabara: 680 million celine: 590 million! LuckyLuke says: March 16, 2011 at 11:42 pm@ TaneYou lie again !All the facts I posted are REAL and RECENT !Coming from data from 2009 , 2010 and 2011 !Learn how to read..!Don’t post fake sales to me !Give me a link where Mariah’s worth is shown to bemore than Celine’s ! LIAR !You have been here for a week and you have changedyour OPINION on sales 100 times already !!LEAVE or GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT !L I A R !!!You are in the same level as TRISH – This bitchhad the nerve to say that Mariah has 27 GOLD us singles!!You are garbage material. LuckyLuke says: March 17, 2011 at 8:05 amThis video says it all. I am really bored ofwriting.youtube.com/watch?v=79ul5PJkmBICeline = I m m e n s I t e <3 Carla says: March 17, 2011 at 10:10 amThe problem is that most of posters here are not just fans,they are rather fanatics ! They admit a thing is true only when it favours their own idol .All this discussion just to prove among 2 musical legends who is better ? I’ won’t give my opinion on Mariah’s sales face to Madonna .However, for Celine vs Mariah on sales, I don’t think Celine sold more records than Mariah . Celine’s album sales are lower than Mariah’s, even if they are very close ( a difference of 5 or 10 million ),and her singles sales are far behind Mariah’s ( a difference from 20 to 30 million ).Their respective total album and singles sales are very close but Mariah keep the supremacy. LuckyLuke says: March 17, 2011 at 11:47 am@ Carla (Lmao)THE LAST THING WE NEED IS YOUR BIASED ESTIMATIONS !!!———————> > >You say Mariah is ahead of Celine for around 25-40mrecords. (You said 5-10 albums and 20-30 singles)TRISH said Mariah sold 100 million records morethan Celine.Tane said Mariah sold LESS albums and more singles.Can you see why it is IMPOSSIBLE to talk with lambs ? ? ?You all come here with you sh***y theories thatcontradict so much with each other and you want us tojust believe Mariah’s overall superiority.You are simply WRONG in everything you claim !Mariah sold around 165m albums & 55m singles the most.Everything is calculated —>mariahjournal.com/infozone/charts/singles/usa/index.shtmlHer official sites , her awards and most importanther label announcement prove Mariah’s sales.& her certifications (64m Us , 5m Canada , 28m Europe ,4m Oceania and so on)Celine was given ere worldwide/RECENT distinctions for agood reason.Mariah got her Diamond Award for sales of 150m albumsby 2003 and Celine her Diamond Award for sales of 175malbums in 2004. This is not my opnion. This is aFACT proved by their respective WORLDWIDE certificationsand exact datas.Finally,it takes more than just records to determinethe best seller. Celine is the one that sells tickets(not cheap like downloads) and dvds,not Mariah.Celine is the one that does sold out RESIDENCY shows.Celine is the top earner of this decade.Celine recieves Special Local Awards that prove hersales status even at micro-markets.Celine is associated with successful soundtracks.Celine affects the economy of A CITY – Vegas !YOUR FAVE COULD NEVER !C Ya !! tane says: March 17, 2011 at 6:02 pmoh blablabla lukyluke, you say we are liers just look at your facts you put up so everyone can read PLEASE get real!heres a link of my proof, but obviously you’ll just say its a lie!richest female singers a of 2011: infomusicworld.com/10-richest-female-singers-in-the-world.html! tane says: March 17, 2011 at 6:31 pmand plus I have to say us Australians love Mariah Carey more than Celine Dion! tane says: March 17, 2011 at 6:37 pmwhat happened between you and trish luke? I just read you guys ‘ oveer debate’ but yous are still arguing LuckyLuke says: March 17, 2011 at 10:48 pm@ taneTRISH lies about Mariah’s sales , saying she sold 100mMORE than Celine. You disagree with this because yousaid Mariah sold more singles. Carla disagees with thisbecause she said Mariah sold around 20-30m records more.Mariah’s awards and sites and labels disagree withTRISH as well. See why I keep fighting with her ?Moreover she called Celine : clown , ugly , averagesinger , same level with Britney , comedian , 0 legacy.Can you name when I said sth mean about Mariah ? Thiswill help you see who is the fanatic here.I read the link you brought and it says about Celine :”Do not miss 42-year-old singer Celine Dion has a us $590 000 000 d during his 30 years work” !Ok tane…I really laughed !It says HIS for Celine xDI don’t need to say more on how reliable this page is.But I will search on it,since you brought facts.I don’t insist anymore on this. :-)You did sth, TRISH never did. You brought links.ThanxPS Celine sold around 200k more in Australia than MC ,while releasing less albums/singles. tane says: March 18, 2011 at 8:59 pmwell then that’s settled then:) mariahs sold less albums around about 175 million worldwide whilst Celine has sold 200 million but Mariah has sold more singles LuckyLuke says: March 19, 2011 at 1:47 am@ taneFirst of all SORRY for insulting you.I was upset by thisdebate and I overreacted against you.I RESPECT youbecause you base your opinion on sales facts you find onthe internet. You don’t talk from your head. Thanks forbeing a fair debater.Mariah sold more singles than Celine,no doubt.In album sales you are right because Celine sold morethan Mariah , but not 200m albums. She is around the180m – 185m and Mariah around to 165m – 170m.You posted a link from Mariah’s site and I postedanother. If you see,in EVERY source it is said thatMariah got her Diamond Award in2003 for sales of 150m albums. I Am GLAD you agreewith this !! Celine got the same award in 2004 forsales of 175m albums. I am not a liar for saying this.You can check it.I am happy this is settled. Thanks for you patienceand SORRY for my insults. :-) MOFF says: March 19, 2011 at 11:31 amWow :)Thannks at Tane for believing us, expecially Luky Luke ! I’m so glad, too because we showed you the truth in sales and you are now a fair debater by posting LINKS and sources, unlike TRISH who still insist with claiming SH** with NO proofs! Thank you Tane, Mariah is a great singer but sold less records than Celine and Madonna.We’re glad ! CD&MC says: March 20, 2011 at 1:59 amI love both of them, but the title “greatest singer of all time” is an opinion, not facts. I prefer Celine Dion over Mariah, but I LOVED MC’s earlier songs. Facts won’t change these fans’ minds and will not prove who is the better singer, unless talking about the best selling female artist of all time. But this discussion is all about opinions, and this suddenly became a wall to bash the singers and authors of these posts. I hope you guys can see how stupid this is, bashing each other for months with facts. Peace! (My opinions. Feel free to reply, but don’t bully me with your hateful words and facts.) LuckyLuke says: March 20, 2011 at 3:59 am@ CD&MC100% Agree. :) This debate has been nerve cracking for allof us. :/ Peace at Last ! :-P tane says: March 20, 2011 at 10:17 amwow I am happy now:)…thanx a lot gise!and I am sorry to for the insults I made as well:) TRISH says: March 22, 2011 at 8:42 amTane,you made a huge mistake,Mariah sold 175 million albums and Celine 200 million ones ? So Laughable ! Hahahaha ! No,no.Where Celine could ever sold 200 million of albums ? Even with singles sold Celine surpass slighty 200 million records ! Wake up my dear ! With twenty years in the music industry, Carey has the following RIAA achievements: RIAA Certifications ( 130 in total ) : Album: 17 Gold, 15 Platinum, 10 Multi-platinum, 2 Diamond. Singles: 25 Gold, 15 Platinum, 4 Multi-platinum. Videos: 7 Gold, 6 Platinum. ? As of December 2006, Carey’s single “All I Want For Christmas Is You” became the largest selling holiday themed ringtone in history with digital sales surpassing 500, 000 downloads making it certified gold by the RIAA.? By the way,Thanks for remind me that also Lady Gaga and Beyonce outsold Celine in singles worldwide.Worlwide Best Female Singles Sellers 1-Mariah Carey 2- Madonna 3- Whitney Houston 4- Lady Gaga 5- Britney Spears 6- Beyonce 7- Shakira 8-Janet Jackson 9-Christina Aguilera 10-Celine Dion ? If Mariah sold 55 million singles worldwide,that would mean Celine sold 20m – 25 million ones worldwide.If Celine sold 40m -50million singles worldwide,that mean The Voice sold 90m -100 million ones worldwide ! It’s logic and so simple ! So,it’s clear that The Voice outsold Celine by 40m -50million singles worldwide !? Mariah Carey features the cover of much more magazines than Celine worldwide,even in Europe. Both French Magazines Gala and Voici had respectively rank Mariah as the 8th and 10th most beautiful woman of the world. ? Mariah Carey is one of most media covered artists of the 2000 decade unlike Celine Dion.She receive the most amount of media coverage among the international female artists of her generation( Celine Dion,Madonna,Whitney Houston,etc…).She’s even among the female international stars of the latest generation like Britney,Beyonce.Rihanna,Lady Gaga,Shakira,Christina,etc…on media coverage .Mariah Carey outsells Celine and Madonna by far on home video sales worldwide ( DVD,VHS,etc…) as she sold over 9,5 million home videos just in US ,only with certified sales! So ,with uncertified sales, her videos reach approximately 15 million the less,just for the US !!! So Mariah is by far the best female seller of home videos in the world ! 1. Lucky Luke said “You lie about some of these artists. Justin Timberlake – just to gossip a little bit – DENIED to duet with Mariah in 2002. Mariah wanted to have a duet with Justin on her song ”Yours” but he refused cause Mariah was not popular. Still,in 2006 after TEOM Justing wanted a duet with MC but she denied back ! Ha ha ha ! but honestly, I don’t see how Justin is influenced by Mariah.” Really brilliant,Luke ! Well ,how old are you ? 15 ? How did the fact by which Justin denied to duet with Mariah in 2002 mean she didn’t influenced him ???? What a retarded mind you are ! Justin Timberlake claimed Mariah’s influence on him before Mariah’s unpopularity from 2001 ( Glitter era ) ! What musical influence on artist have to do with duet collaboration and popularity ? If Beyonce or Christina would deny to duet with Mariah because MC’s popularity is relatively low nowadays, would this mean that Mariah had never influenced their music and singing style ??? So you base musical influence and inspirations of artists on the fact by which they accept to duet with the one that had influenced them !That’s why you always claim that Garou,II Divo,etc…are influenced by Celine !!! Besides,Garou ,Charice,Marc Dupre ,etc…are not international artists ! They are not popular worldwide and they never integrate even the Eurochart ,nor the United Worldchart neither Billboard chart .Please.check the word “ influence “ in a dictionary for seeing its meaning,pitiful nerd ! About fortune,Mariah is richer than Celine,proven by Tane’s sources and also by Mariah’s achievements.Mariah started to collect impressive amount of incomes many years before Celine ! Celine started to have impressive income only by late 1990’s.So it’s logical that Mariah is ahead of her on fortune .Mariah always had various sources of income ,unlike Celine and was ahead Celine in the 90’s with a respectacble difference.That’s why Celine can’t cath up with her,even if she damage her voice that become more and more nasal by endless concerts and tours all along the 2000 decade ! -Mariah’s incomes come from not just music business .Since 1991,Mariah realized promotions for many brands and commercial labels, especially Japanese ( lipsticks,jewerlly,etc….) and americans.She took part at fashion parades for Tommy Hilfiger ,and also for Versace.In 2006 She realized promotions for Pepsi,Intel,etc…she created a twenty of ringtones for Motorola,she make promotions for the Italian fashion label Pinko and worked as a model for it.She also took part in fashion shows in 2008 next to other female stars like Rihanna and Beyonce. Mariah’s first perfume “ M By Mariah Carey “ was the best selling perfume of 2006 and was also voted best perfume of the year ! Mariah also get income from her acting career.She made cameo appearances in many films ( The Bachelor,Sex and The City 2,State Property 2,etc….) and holds major role and others ( Tennessee,Wisegirls,Precious,etc…).She writes,compose and produce songs for herself and also for many other artists since 1995 ( Allure,Patti Labelle,7 Mile, Faith Hill, Rihanna,etc…)! She also wrote songs for films ( Men In Black,How The Grinch Stole Christmas,etc…). In the background of Gillette Venus , Mariah Carey signed an insurance deal about her legs,worthing 1 billion dollars !1 BILLION DOLLARS just for an insurance deal ! That’s proves how much Mariah is rich and how much her fortune is huge ! No doubt that she’s much more rich than Celine !Mariah is at least the second richest female singer of the world. The voice is the best ! TRISH says: March 22, 2011 at 8:50 am? Mariah is way better than Celine on dance skills, Don’t insist.The opinion of the majority of men ( and women ) around the world matters much more than just yours. ? About voice,David Foster is a Canadian like Celine ,so he just did his duty as such a good compatriot and showed solidarity with Celine when he said that she had the better voice. Moreover ,just the song you cited ,by which Foster collaborated with Carey doesn’t mean so much…Walter Afanasieff collaborated in many songs with Celine Dion and Mariah Carey respectively.so his statement is right cause he’s in a better place to make comparison on the vocal abilities and skills of these two legends as he worked in more than just one song from each .Afanasieff claimed what he noticed on Mariah’s voice because his remark was truthful ,so the fact that he doesn’t speak with Mariah nowadays doesn’t change it ! Besides,the opinion of David Foster is not up to it next to the opinion of the whole world,including other composers,experts,producers,musical executives,singers,polls,magazines,votes,musicians,fans,institutions,etc… that claim Mariah’s voice the best voice ever . Your remark is stupid ! Tommy Mottola called Mariah the DISCOVERY OF THE CENTURY AS VOCALIST,not just a “ discovery! There is a very huge difference between being a “ discovery “ and being “ THE DISCOVERY OF THE CENTURY ” !. Mariah’s discovery was much more important than Celine’s ,cause Mariah surpass Celine and all other artists ,specially on vocal abilities and sing skills.That’s why Tommy called MC ‘ Discovery of The Century ‘ and that Columbia invested so much money on her debut album ! She was always considered superior to Celine,till the time when she disobeyed Tommy and the Columbia team by her artistical choices .Mariah never worked like a robot,unlike Celine ! Even at her debut,Mariah always imposed some of her ideas and choices in her work ( She always introduce a few R&B material into her Pop albums,and also bring some of her Pop material ),unlike Celine who do exactly what Tommy and the team say her to do and nothing else !Celine is the only robot. Besides,Celine continue to obey till now, like at her debut ! so she stay the only robot of music. Mariah is a rebel next to Celine ! She didn’t played safe ,as she dropped out Pop to R&B,a much less successful musical genre although she was the most successful Pop female artist when she did Pop ! so she could sell much more with Pop releases even though she was already established as a world icon, since Her career was not ended in 1995 ! If she played safe ,she would stay in Pop music ,to stay a stable album seller and collect much more success all over the world ! She would make only Pop albums like Celine, just to have other albums selling over 30 million and over 20 million worldwide like Music Box and Daydream ! But the artistical inclination and feeling was more important than the success for her . Celine’s total album sales by 2011 doesn’t reach 170 million . Celine’s 10 best sellers albums are far behind Mariah’s ! Celine’s 10 best-sellers :1-Falling into you 31m 2- Let’s talk about love 30m 3- All The Way… A Decade Of Songs 19 m 4- The Colour Of My Love 16m 5- These Are Special Times 12m 6- A New Day Has Come 10m 7- D’Eux ,The French Album 9m 8- One heart 5m 9-Taking Chances 3,5m 10-S’il Suffisait D’aimer 3m Total : 138,5 million albumsMariah’s 10 best sellers : 1-Music Box 32m 2-Daydream 27m 3–# 1’s 19m 4-Mariah Carey 19m 5-Butterfly 17 m 6-Merry Christmas 17 m 7-Emotions 14m 8-Rainbow 13m 9-The Emancipation Of Mimi 13m 10 –MTV Unplugged EP 11m Total : 182 million albums sold Mariah sold 43,5 million albums over Celine with her 10 best selling albums.Mariah is better ,no doubt.So Celine needs more albums to sell impressive amounts unlike Mariah ! Celine didn’t receive Mariah’s 1990’s Awards .The only Award Celine received that Mariah received before is the Chopard Diamond Award . I correct for you : Producers,composers,songwriters have won 10 Grammy ,in which 5 went to Celine.Mariah has much more worldwide hits than Celine .Mariah has 89 # 1 hits worldwide ( lately I discovered other # 1 hits for Mariah in the Caribbean ,in Asia and in South America ) ,Celine has just 45 # 1 hits worldwide ! You said “ we know Mariah’s achievements in Billboard “ ,We know Celine’s achievements in Canada as well.Still,this doesn’t prove Celine worldwide success. Mariah’s album sales surpass Celine’s in the 2000 decade,even if Celine has more releases in that decade.Some people just call Celine’s sellers successes while they call wrongly Mariah’s flops. Mariah is humble,that’s why she said she hates dancing whereas she’s better than Celine on this. -Mariah is the best seller of singles in USA,proven by her RIAA certifications there.She surpass Madonna by far on this ( Madonna : 4 platinum singles and 23 gold singles there,Mariah : 15 platinum singles there and 25 gold singles ). -Celine has sold 54m albums in Europe,not 60m . You said yourself ( and many other debarters on Popdirt blogs ) that Nana Mouskouri sold 200 million albums worldwide IN ACCORDANCE WITH IFPI. No,not only estimations would be made on Nana sales,IFPI should be able to count every Mouskouri’s sales in Europe ,no matter if they are 10,50 ,400 or 700 albums since this is its work and purpose.Otherwise,IFPI is not reliable.I proved that Nana Mouskouri’s total sales reach barely 50 million . France 12 million ( her best market worldwide ) UK 4m Greece 3,5m ( best-selling artist there ) Canada 3m Nana never integrated Billboard Chart’s sales ! Her sales were always too insignificant there.She’s a minor seller in all the world ( except for Europe and Canada relatively ) and has sold less albums in Asia,Latin America,USA ,Africa and Oceania than any of the 20 best-selling female artists of all times. Celine is a robot not because she always obeyed her label and the management team,but also because she never bring or impose any ideas from herself in her own music.She just do exactly what they want her to do and what her label wants.That’s why her songs are so predictable and even her belts sound regular.Her work lacks adventurism and personality. I never swallow what Wikipedia says for Celine on sales cause Wikipedia supports Celine at 100 % by partial statements and falsified figures sales whereas it decrease Mariah’s achievements.If Celine would had legacy,Wikipedia would never omit to show it.They would rather omit to put Mariah’s ! Mimi rules,take it ! MOFF says: March 22, 2011 at 2:35 pmTrish is a liar. Administrator: banish this sick girl!Celine sold more albums than Mariah Carey. DEJ JAM claimed 200 million records and they counted RIGHTLY. LuckyLuke says: March 22, 2011 at 3:35 pmTRISH said Mariah’s 90s Dvd are Platinum and all reachat least 9m copies in Us sales alone.She doesn’t know that a platinum certification in Usfor DVDS means the DVD sold 100k , and not 1m , like ithappens with albums.I REFUSE to debate with ignorants.I REFUSE to debate with people that lie about RIAAsingle certifications. (Mariah has 27 gold Us singles)Bye Bye…This goes to TRISHyoutube.com/watch?v=XBcvRR5zAV8With LOVE xD !!!!!!! says: March 23, 2011 at 12:35 amOh my gosh! Can you guys please shut up about all this? CD$MC is right. You guys are making a fool of yourselves going on and on about who’s better with facts for months and months. Oh and by the way Trish, no one cares about what you have to say with your harsh insults towards Celine and the authors of these posts.you’re using those insults cause you have nothing better to say to prove Mariah’s better in anyway since none of us believes your stupid lies anyways!!! (Sorry if I just offended you, just needed to get it out of my system. Hope no harm comes from this post!) tane says: March 23, 2011 at 2:00 ammariah for me is still the best! but Celine has influenced me to:) but its hard to determine whos a better sller you know?!! i think celines sold 250 million records where 200 million albums are sold and 50 million singles sold!and Mariah Carey she’s sold app. 270 million records where Mariahs sold 175 million albums and 95 million singles! also what makes an artist a bigger seller also counts towards their singles not just albums , so think about it:)and both artists are spetactular! but I’m a lamb:)also @!!!!!! shut your mouth yu don’t know sh**!!:) LuckyLuke says: March 23, 2011 at 2:02 am@ !!!!I Told You I agree with what CD&MC said and I was happythis debate was over,so I hope your post doesn’tinclude me.You are right that we have been fighting for months andactually this fight is over for me because , as you cansee , TRISH doesn’t even know the certification level ofDVDs In Us.She thought the platinum certfication standsat 1m just like the Albums so she came here to proudlyannounce Mariah sold 9m DVDs in Us and 15m in total ! haha ha ha ha !We can just take it easy and laugh about this MESS xDFinally,you are right about the insults. None of us ,needs to call Mariah ugly , fat or clown etc etc tomake a point and none of us needs to call her awardsirrelevant,in order to show Celine’s superiority. LuckyLuke says: March 23, 2011 at 4:17 am@ TRISHSorry for insulting you in the past.You started it ofcourse but anyway…I am done debating with youbecause it is nerve cracking for me & you ignorethings such as the Dvd certification Us system etc.To be 100% HONEST I don’t think you believe Mariah sold300m records. I Think you say this to react to the factthat I debated against you with Madonna fans. I thinkyou wanted to ”teach me a lesson”.Finally, I love Mariah by all means and fighting over10-20m records etc is pointless.Besides salesprove nothing.@ Tane … Actually ”!!!!” is right because he/shedoesn’t want fans to fight over sales and skills. Mariah Carey >Celine Dion says: March 23, 2011 at 9:52 amMariah really sold more videos DVD and VHS than Madonna and Celine .Check this link : search.com/reference/Sales_and_charts_achievements_for_Mariah_Carey ! It says that Mariah has over 23 certified gold singles from RIAA and she has 6 certified gold home videos and 6 certified platinum home videos by RIAA ( by 2006 ) !When we add the sales of Adventures of Mimi’s DVD,we have 7 gold singles for Mariah in US ! The source also states that Mariah’s album sales had reach 170 million worldwide in 2006 ! See ? 170 million albums sold back to 2006,and you still claim 170 million albums sold by Mariah to 2011 ? This link say it all and proves Trish is right in most of her statements .About Celine albums and singles,she doesn’t sold 185 million albums worldwide and Mariah sold most than 10 million singles over Celine worldwide. Mariah’s videos home sales ( DVD and VHS ) surpass Celine’s and Madonna’s worldwide ! Mariah have more certified videos from US .You can’t deny it !She sold more worldwide. LuckyLuke says: March 23, 2011 at 12:54 pmThe link you sent me says exactly : (I Copy paste it)She has sold a total of about eighty million records in the U.S. (63 million albums and 17.5 million singles) and over 220 million records worldwide (170 million albums plus 50 million singles) !———> RESULTI was right saying Mariah sold 220m records worldwide.Thank You !* As Of singles it says clearly she sold 17m physicalsingles & over 13m digital downloads,which is what Ihave been saying.—-> On Celine —>Everything is clear. 175m sold by 2004. Official.Thanx again for the link xD LuckyLuke says: March 23, 2011 at 12:57 pm@ Oh ! I Just checked !It was since 2006 !So this page claims that Mariah sold 150m by 2003and 170m by 2006 !Ha ha ha ha !VERY RELIABLE !! Because TEOM sold 20m right ?Ha ha ha ha ha ha!!Come on guys, don’t you know you look ridiculous byclaiming these falsified theories ? ts ts ts LuckyLuke says: March 23, 2011 at 1:12 pmMoreover Mariah has released 7 home videos !Got that ? SEVEN !How come Mariah has 6 gold and 6 platinum (12) homevideos in Us ?I don’t know why you want to lie !!!She released 7 Home Videos and all are PLATINUM in Us.= 100k each = 700k at least in Us for Dvd sales.Keep posting lies guys :D LuckyLuke says: March 23, 2011 at 1:22 pmCeline Us Dvds :The Colour Of My Love – PLATINUMAll The Way – PLATINUMA New Day…Live In Las Vegas – 7xPLATINUMTaking Chances World Tour – PLATINUMSo Celine has 10 platinum home videos in Us &Platinum/Gold and Diamond DVDs in francophone countries& Her 2 latest DVDs charted at top 5 WORLDWIDE. LuckyLuke says: March 23, 2011 at 2:27 pmCeline sold over 180-185m albums and it is proved byvarious sources.You just don’t want to accept it.I can’t brainwash you guys,sorry.I posted not 1 nor 2 but 50 links proving that and youjust called them ”biased” !Well ok ! How hard is this ? I could do the same.All in all this debate is over because you can’t proveMariah’s sales in Asia and S.America and I can’tpersuade you about Celine sales,since NONE of you trusts– World Music Awards– IFPI– Labels– Mediatraffic– Nielsen Soundscan/Billboard– Official Sites.If you check these sources , they combined declareCeline as highest seller. But you don’t trust them…so…Have a nice day all of you ! I hope I don’t get meanand hateful answers. LuckyLuke says: March 24, 2011 at 5:13 amOn top of the DVDs lies about certifications you alsolied about income. Here is UPDATED info for the topearners.forbes.com/2009/06/22/top-eaning-musicians-business-entertainment-musicians_slide_3.html TRISH says: March 24, 2011 at 9:35 am@!!!!! If you can read ,you’ll see all the things I showed all along the blog proving Mariah is better than Celine .I proved Mariah is a better artist ,as I show she’s better on voice,sing skills,influence,contribution in music,variety in music,multiple artistical/professional skills and assets, legacy,global popularity, talent ,single sales ( even if I don’t consider album sales as this question can’t be settled ) ,etc…About,Celine,what else can you find ( except for concert ticket sales and tours ) for proving Celine is better than Mariah ?Moff,we all are sick,not just me.I think that Lucky Luke and you are sick in the same way you do about me.So,we are all sick ! You and Lucky Luke love Celine and Madonna,then you try to put both as the best in everything including sales ! Although you know Celine isn’t a huge singles seller unlike Mariah ,you say she sold 5 million singles over Celine while you say Madonna sold 45 million singles over Mariah ! You even admit Lady Gaga ‘s supremacy over Celine on single sales( 55 million singles sold ) ,and that’s imply Lady Gaga equals Mariah on single sales ( 55 million single sold inaccordance with you ) ?????? Who is sick among you and me ? Mariah have so many hit singles over Lady Gaga worldwide ! Mariah have so many popular hits worldwide ,Lady Gaga doesn’t even come close ! You always said that I proved nothing unlike you whereas you can’t prove Madonna’s singles certifications sales unlike me,you got just estimations ! Do you really think that I am sick next to you? You say that I never gave proves here as if I created completely everything I claimed here !About you,which source and Link did you give when you said Celine’s total albums sold worldwide surpassed Mariah’s in 2000 year ? You said Celine sold about 140 million albums in 2000 year while you claimed Mariah’s at 120 million in 2000 year ! Which institution had claim Celine’s total albums sold surpassed Mariah’s in 2000 year ? Unlike Celine,all Mariah’s releases in the 1990’s were smash hit albums.The lowest selling albums of Mariah in the 1990 decade surpass 10 million worldwide .In the 1990’s ,Celine had many releases under 10 million and under 4 million sales unlike Mariah .Just the 4 best selling releases of Celine couldn’t make her catch up with Mariah’s sales at 2000 year,cause Mariah hadn’t just 4 huge selling albums.That’s why Mariah is the best selling artist of this decade and her sales surpassed any other artist at this period. Mariah was consacred by every institutions,the best selling artist overall of the 1990’s and the best selling female artist of all times in 2000 year.I even don’t mention The Legend Award and the Millennium Award that confirmed Mariah is the best selling female artist of the whole last millennium !That’s mean Mariah’s albums sales in 2000 year was ahead Celine by a respectable difference ! Who is sick ? I think that you are not just sick but FOOL ! You try to make us swallow that Celine’s Falling Into You,The Colour Of My Love,Let’s Talk About Love and All The Way continue to sell in 2000 decade while Mariah’s Merry Christmas,Mariah Carey,Music Box,Daydream,# 1’S,etc… stopped to sell in 2000’s and stand at the same number of sales they reached in the 1990 decade ! In accordance with you,only Celine’s album sales grows up so that she surpass Mariah easily and spectacularly within 2 -3 years ! For example,Mariah was ahead Celine in 2003 ,but Celine surpass Mariah suddenly within 1 year by…25 million albums ! Who is the sick one ?Do you think you are healthier than me ? You try to make readers swallow that Mariah Carey eponymous album sold less than Celine’s The Colour Of My Love although the certifications prove the opposite. MC: 9m US + 1m Eur = 10m , TCOML: 6m US + 4m Eur = 10m.Their respective Japanese sales are equal ( 1 million sales for each in Japan ).You deny deliberately that MC sold more than TCOML in rest of Asia although you know very well that Mimi is much more popular than Celine there ! You did the same for TEOM and ANDHC and all their respective other albums ! How could you say that I am sick ? You said that I don’t have proofs for Mariah’s sales in Asia,but how could you say TCOML outsold MC worldwide if you don’t know their respective Asian sales ( at last presumptions favour MC as she’s usually more successful than Celine there )? So if there is one of both who had sold more in Asia,it’s necessarily Mariah Carey . Who is sick ? Same goes for all their other respective albums .You got the nerve to say Celine outsold Mariah on albums worldwide although you ignore their respective Asian sales ? How could you say Celine and Madonna sold more records than Mariah worldwide when you ignore their Asian sales ? You based all your arguments on US and Europe as your Idols are both very great sellers in these both markets ? You just forget that Mariah is a very great seller in Asia ! How could dare you saying that Mariah sold just 5 – 10 million singles over Celine worldwide? Even at the end of 1990’s Mariah already outsold Celine by 20 million singles worldwide the less ! At the 2000’s Mariah continue to sells singles much more better than Celine ! Mariah got her latest million selling single in 2009.But you said 5 – 10 million singles difference.Who are the real sick fanatics in these debates? You love Celine and Madonna and support them ,at the other hand, I love Mariah.You can’t impose me to accept your claims in the same way that I can’t impose you to accept mines.So,you can’t demand that Popdirt administrator banish me just because my arguments doesn’t support your favorite artists.You’ll always trust institutions’s claims that favor your idols over MC,then accuse those that favor MC over Celine and Madonna being not reliable. When one poster ( in the blog Continuing The Top Selling Madonna vs Mariah ) had show us many Mariah achievements/sales and back it up with a link,Moff replied that “ he’s not impressed cause Madonna and Celine also have impressive achievements as well “.and he refuted all the achievements just because they showed the success/greatness of Mariah,not Madonna & Celine.And he call other people sick !!! Moff refute and challenge many links and sources given by lambs,however he never challenge any of the 50 links given by Lucky Luke ,as they favor his idols Celine and Madonna ! Nevertheless, he call me sick ! Besides,all Popdirt debates are not about sales and best selling artist,there are only 2 blogs among all them which base their theme on sales : ( The top 10 best selling female artists & top selling female Madonna vs Mariah ). You try to direct every debate on sales performances because you know that’s all Madonna and Celine have as impressive . About sales,as you refute all my arguments,nobody can talk about best selling female artist of all times or best seller female artist ,since no one knows exacts sales in Asia continent.A fair comparison can’t be based only on Europe,America,Africa and Oceania continents.There is also Asia continent,the most populated continent and the greatest supporter of Mariah Carey with US.Mariah’s sales are huge there like Celine’s and Madonna’s are in Europe.So,we can’t ignore this continent when we talk about worldwide sales of female artists ! IN RESUME, YOU WILL NEVER ACCEPT ANY SOURCE,LINK,ANALYSE,STATEMENT,ETC… THAT CLAIM MARIAH CAREY SOLD MORE RECORDS THAN CELINE DION. IN THE SAME WAY, LAMBS WILL NEVER ACCEPT ANY SOURCE,LINK,ANALYSE,STATEMENT,ETC… THAT CLAIM CELINE DION SOLD MORE RECORDS THAN MARIAH CAREY.It’s logic ! If you really want that this debate will be finally over,don’t say anymore that Celine sold more records than Mariah,then I’ll don’t claim anymore that Mariah sold more records than Celine (even though it’s true).Otherwise,I will always reply just like you do and the fight will continue between you and me.It’s so simple ! In that case,there is no winner neither loser ! LuckyLuke says: March 24, 2011 at 12:24 pm@ TRISHFive CorrectionsNumber 1Mariah Carey -> 9xPlatinum Us , 7xPlatinum Canada ,1xP Europe , 2xP Australia , 1xMillion Japan.The Colour Of My Love -> 6xP Us , Diamond Canada ,4xP Europe , 8xP Australia , 1xMillion Japan.Number 2Mariah’s singles are calculated.We don’t just decreasenumbers.Gaga has 8 Worldwide Number 1s & way more singlesare sold now because they are downloaded.So her 55msingles is true.Number 3You said : ” YOU WILL NEVER ACCEPT ANY SOURCE,LINK,ANALYSE,STATEMENT,ETC… THAT CLAIM MARIAH CAREY SOLD MORE RECORDS THAN CELINE DION. ”Sorry…but I didn’t see any link supporting this.I only saw links from WEBSITES and BLOGS.Number 4”Emotions” and ”Mtv Live” don’t sell more than 10m.I don’t know where you got this info.& NOBODY said Celine sold till early 00s ! I saidCeline’s albums sales were counted accurately at2002-2003.And this is far from being an ”opinion”. I DARE YOU AND EVERYONE HERE TO SEARCH AND SEE WHEN HERALBUMS – A L’OLYMPIA – D’EUX – FALLING INTO YOU– LET’S TALK ABOUT LOVE – LIVE A PARIS – S’IL SUFFISAITD’AIMER got their respective certifications !!!I DON’T LIE !!!Number 5Mariah can be greater in your eyes. Celine is greaterfor me. Will this lead somewhere ? I think no.It is just about time to learn not to attack peoplehaving a different opinion.———————–>Finally , we never insulted Mariah and we never calledworldwide-known sources partial or biased.Because , FOR US ,there is no motive at all,behind WMA ormediatraffic or nielsen Soundscan to just inflateor reduce artists sales.If you don’t trust them , I AM OK WITH THIS !If you don’t know Mariah’s Asian sales , OK !If you don’t know Dvds Certification level , OK !No problem…just stop trying to change our opinionswith the sales (300m !!!) that come from nowhere.Your opinion has been CLEAR long ago. MOFF says: March 24, 2011 at 1:50 pmLink FROM YOU that Mariah has sold more than Celine ? tane says: March 24, 2011 at 6:04 pmhow can we know which one is telling the exact truth? because from what I’ve countered each source I’ve seen has been different meaning one source would say Celine sold 200 million albums worldwide and the next would say 140 million albums worldwide and 60 million singles and videos sold!so no one would know there exact album sales until you find a trusted source.@trish you are right as well LuckyLuke says: March 25, 2011 at 5:30 am@ TaneI can bet that there is NO internet source to claimCeline sold less than 175m ALBUMS ! Not even a website.I told you I 100% trust– Mediatraffic– IFPI / RIAA / Nielsen Soundscan that have detailed info– Media (Tv / Magazines)– World Music Awards– Official Sites That Contain Analyzed Certifications.Tane, please check these sources to see I don’t lie.I base my thoughts not on my preference towards Celinebut to the combined info I gain.If you want I can give a few links from these sources.(Not Blogs and Websites)Besides, you gave us links from Mariah official websiteand according to this Mariah sold 150m by 2003 andover 200m+ records till 2011.——>FINALLYWorld Music Awards Awarded MC for 150m sales in 2003.TRISH says Mariah sold 170m by then.World Music Awards Awarded Celine for 175m sales in 2004.TRISH says Celine sold 150m by then.. . . .Well,everyone can have an opinion. I don’t care.At least I don’t contradict with sources. Neringa says: March 25, 2011 at 1:38 pmhosnestly, I don’t care about Mariah or Whitney. Yes, they are good, talented and so on… But let me tell you, I listen to Celine and she can make me cry or even happy and this is amazing! She is a Star because she’s got charisma, she’s charming and absolutely gorgeous! She’s so kind, she’s an example for all of us! Who knows the road of the career of Mariah? And how many people know the way Celine went? I guess Celine Dion is much more known world-wide than Mariah. But just don’t be rude, I am tolerant for every fan, Mariah’s, Whitney’s or any other singer’s. Mariah > Celine says: March 25, 2011 at 4:06 pmLucky Luke ,Trish statements are right ! By the way,you said that the source is wrong cause Mariah can’t sell 170 million albums in 2006 as her total was 150 in 2001 and her 2005 album sold over 10 million.Well ,what do you say for Celine ? Did One heart sells over 30 million in 2004 ? Since Celine was behind Mariah in 2003,and that One Heart ( released in 2003 ) had reach only 5 million worldwide ?Slighty confusing,right ? Not just Mariah’s sales !!! LuckyLuke says: March 25, 2011 at 5:23 pm@ Mariah > CelineYou want me to believe that you actualy read all thestatements of TRISH (most of them hard to follow becauseof writing style and spelling mistakes and many words)and now you actualy agree with her ?I said – AND LEARN HOW TO READ CAREFULY – thataccording you to your link Mariah had sold 150m albumsby 2003 ! not 2001 ! And therefore it is FREAKINGIMPOSSIBLE to sell 20m albums from 2003-2006 as sheonly released TEOM ! And TEOM did not sell 20m.So your link is full of nonsense !!!Now…WHO told you Celine was behind Mariah in albumsales at 2003 ? This is just your falsified assumption.You just have to swallow that when we say – for instance– that the album ”Mariah Carey” is 9xPLATINUM in Usdoesn’t mean it sold 9m copies at 1990 alone ! Probablythe album charted till 1991 or 1992 ! With that beingsaid – IT IS A FACT – taht Mariah’s debut got its finalcertification at the 15th December 1999,because thesales were COUNTED THEN by RIAA !! This happens withall the huge sellers. So Mariah had ALL HER ALBUMScertified by 2000 and therefore got her Millennium Award.If you check WHEN Mariah got her albums certifiedyou will get many answers.Unfortunately for Celine (and me that support her)her blockbuster 90s albums recieved their respectivecertifications at 2003.After that everything was clear and this is why Mariahwas awarded in 2003 for sales of 150m and Celine forsales of 175m in 2004.Not because One Heart sold 20m -.-‘I CHALLENGE YOU AND EVERYONE here to search theofficial announcements of 2004 on Celine’s album sales.She was awarded for reaching the 175m mark in albumsales and THIS IS NOT MY OPINION ! IT IS A FU**INGF A C T !Now,with all these being said,if you don’t believein World Music Awards/IFPI&RIAA/Sites/Media that provewhat I say , I RESPECT THIS !Ok ? You got that ? I RESPECT THIS !!!Just don’t try to imply I am a biased liar , becauseI am not.Thank You. And PLEASE DON’T PRETEND again that youagree with TRISH , cause I know damn well NONE of youagrees with the claims that Mariah sold 170m by 2003(TRISH says so) and that MC sold 300m records by 2010 !I am not a stupid guy,in case you haven’t noticed. Jesuslovesme says: March 26, 2011 at 4:26 amCeline is number one now and will be number one in the future. That is why she is the one with a show in Las Vegas, Nevada now. Also, that is why Celine is the one who was chosen to start with her show in Las Vegas, Nevada several years ago. Ceasars Palace created a whole auditorium especially for Celine Dion. Celine Dion learned English and became a huge star in the United States after already having been a huge star in Canada. That in itself is amazing. Celine Dion was chosen to sing “Beauty and the Beast” and “My Heart Will Go On”. “My Heart Will Go On” is actually Celine’s demo. That is how good she is at singing. To those who argue that Celine Dion is not the number one successful artist, you are lying or you do not know the facts. Jesuslovesme says: March 26, 2011 at 4:58 amI personally love Celine, Whitney and Mariah. After everything that has happened though and based on Celine’s vocal abilities, kind heart, beauty, charm, sense of humor and over all talent, Celine Dion is my favorite. LuckyLuke says: March 26, 2011 at 5:48 am* I didn’t make sth clear. Mariah’s albums from 1990-1998were counted exactly by 1999/2000.Not her ”Rainbow”Album cause it was released in late 1999 & promoted tilllate 2000.So if you check,Mariah sold 130m by 2000 and afterRainbow (10m) , Glitter (3m) , Charmbracelet (3m) ,Greatest Hits (3m) , Remixies (1m) were countedMariah reached the 150m mark in sales by 2003.And so on…Then you add TEOM (11m) , E=MC2 (2.5m) ,Memoirs (1m) , Ballads (500k) and MerryXmas2U (600k)to see Mariah sold 167m.This is the truth if you TRUST– Her 2000 Millennium Award– Her 2003 Chopard Award– Columbia Records & Island Def Jam– Official Worldwide Sites.If you don’t trust them …. well… ok :)I don’t mean to brainwash anyone here. Regina says: March 26, 2011 at 9:23 amI think Celine is the best! I mean everyone of us is fan from her favorite artist and we know well them stories to tell us a few facts to shout our mouths so fight for this it’s stupid, you can’t change the though from a person so this is a stupid fight… we people Celine fans! listen! what do you think Celine would like… persons fighting and saying horribles things to them self or people that respect to the competence? I would defend Celine trough my dead but I don’t defend the verbal violence and I think that Celine likes more this tipe of fans so let the other fans (Mariah Carey and withney houston) be. this will be an eternal discussion and I’m sure that they know all that Celine did and do. I love Celine and I will be pacefully like her wants from her fans…xoxo danica5celine says: March 27, 2011 at 2:49 amwell, Celine is way BETTER than Mariah… aside from the fact that Celine is the BESt singer in the world, she can also nail whatever song of Mariah, w/c Mariah can’t! Mariah is a bog Loser! she can’t accept the fact that Celine is better than her and we can find millions of Celine fans than Mariah’s… And everyone can see that despite of Celine’s fame, she still remains humble and down-to-earth.. unlike Mariah.. I heard so many bad comments about her attitude.. yuck! a singer like Mariah shouldn’t be idolized! she never deserved to be a singer! LuckyLuke says: March 27, 2011 at 6:55 amToday it is Mimi’s birthday ! Happy Birthday <3 <3 <3youtube.com/watch?v=au2elkXDjus TRISH says: March 27, 2011 at 10:48 am@ Regina/Jesuslovesme/ Regina / Danica5celine every fans feel the same about their respective favorite artist.You prove nothing at all by your fanaticism delirium ! Celine is faaaaaaaaar to be as good as Mariah.Just read all the accomplishments and fulfilments that Mariah has unlike Celine ! Your delusional chorus “Celine is way better than Mariah” Can’t change nothnig on facts ! @ Shutup : You’re the only one here that needs treatment ,as you’re the delusional goblin,not me ! And you also needs to shut up ! I had the chance to see Mariah live 2 times in my life when she passed by France ( she never tours in my country Danemark ).. Mariah is incredible on stage ! I wasn’t disappointed at all . Her dance moves are graceful and sexy ( even though she doesn’t try to make her male audience get erection unlike Madonna ).See ? You’re just a dumb goblin ,nothing more !I’m clear, Corrections : Mariah Carey -> 9xPlatinum Us , 7xPlatinum Canada , 1xP Europe , 8xP Oceania, 1xMillion Japan =12.7 million The Colour Of My Love -> 6xP Us , Diamond Canada , 4xP Europe , 10xP Oceania , 1xMillion Japan = 13 million. You just proved that TCOML sells 0.3 million albums over MC in these countries. You proved nothing on MC VS TCOML Global sales as You didn’t show their Asian sales ! So where does this 4 million sales of difference between both albums come from ? How many each sold in Asia ???. Give their respective sales in China,South Korea, Taiwan,Hong Kong ,etc…that obviously favorize MC,like always )So ,it would rather MC sold more than TCOML worldwide ! It’s simple. Same goes for all their respective other albums ! Mariah’s singles are not calculated rightly .Mariah’s singles sold surpass largely 75 million worldwide.Mariah got over 89 # 1 hits worldwide,much more than Gaga and Celine Dion.Gaga’s success on worldwide Chart doesn’t mean that she equals Mariah that collect success on Chart since 20 years ago ! Mariah is the Queen of Billboard ! don’t forget it ! Which organization/institution had claim Celine’s sales were not counted accurately ?Every institution/media agree that Mariah is the best seller act of the 1990’s .Even if Celine’s sales wouldn’t counted accurately,they couldn’t surpass Mariah’s.Celine’s albums sales were counted accurately before 2000.Mariah is the best selling artist of the 1990’s not Celine. Besides,Mariah’s Asian sales are not counted accurately even till now ! So MC’s sales surpass Celine’s anyway ! Lucky Luke said he didn’t see any link supporting MC sold more records than Celine,that he only saw links from websites and blogs. What difference ? Who create them ? Anyway, neither I never see any links from Lucky Luke showing Mariah’s sales in all Asia ( China,South Korea,Taiwan,Hong Kong,Phillipines,Malaysia, etc…) except for Japan .Your links would be fair if they would show only Celine’s sales in France exclude the rest of Europe,like they did for Mariah’s Asian sales,considering only her Japan sales .Any of these links never show MC sales in all Asia which support MC like Europe do for Celine.That’s why all the infos given by these links are biased and partial !You said Mariah sold 5 million albums in Europe ? I agree with it,but you can’t deny that Celine sold approximately 7 – 8 million albums the most in Europe although all her albums and singles are overcertified there. TEOM beats ANDHC on total sales worldwide .Celine’s sales in Europe are not exact ,they are estimated and overcertified. Emotions and MTV Unplugged albums had both surpassed 10 million respectively worldwide. Lucky Luke says there is something wrong to the way Mariah’s sales are calculated !! What does he say for Celine ‘s ?? Celine albums sales were under 130 million in 2003 ,then she reach 175 million albums the following ( 2004 ) year with one album selling barely 5 million worldwide !So ,One Heart has surely sold 45 million ?!!! The way Celine’s sales are counted is really right ! Laughable ! Mariah Carey is the best selling artist overall of the 1990 decade ( every media,organizations,institutions recognize it.Even Guinness World Records claimed it ). Mariah is ahead of Celine in sales and all other assets,except tickets concerts ! MOFF says: March 27, 2011 at 3:13 pmNo proofs Trish.. sorry :) LuckyLuke says: March 27, 2011 at 3:40 pmOK ! I HAVE HAD ENOUGH OF THIS CRAP !!!1.Mariah Carey album is not 8xP in Oceania,but 2xPin Australia.You still lie on certifications and youstill want to come back here.2.Mariah doesn’t have 89 number 1s worldwide.LIE.You usedto mention 81 number 1s before !3.What I say about their album sales is proven byMediatraffic.But if you don’t trust MediatrafficI AM FINE WITH IT.Keep your opinion and let me havemine.4.Celine got her final album certifications in 2003.Youcan search it..!It took 9 years to RIAA to certifieMariah’s debut (9xP) and 9 years to IFPI to certifieCeline’s albums.5.Mariah is the best seller of the 90s,I never saidshe wasn’t and I never claimed she didn’t deserve herawards,SO DON’T PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH.6.Nothing proves Celine is overcertified.When I saidMariah is overcertified in Us,I based my argumenton data coming from RIAA and Nielsen Soundscan.Ididn’t create theories like you do.All in all,I thinkthis ”overcertification” topic means nothing and Ididn’t mention it to take down Mariah,cause it reallymeans nothing.Besides,as you have seen I always sayMariah sold 65m albums in Us.7.You write ”Besides,Mariah’s Asian sales are not counted accurately even till now ! ”Sorry dear,the fact that you have 0 knowledge on herAsian sales doesn’t mean that her albums are not countedby 2011..!I know how many albums Mariah and Celine soldthere because I searched their sites,and then doublechecked their respective certificationsbut I avoid posting these info here cause you willscream out I lie etc etc.8.You write : ”Celine albums sales were under 130 million in 2003 ”Where did you get this ? This is so wrong,I really haveno idea what happens in your brain.YOU said -> D’eux (9m),Falling Into You (31m) ,Lets Talk About Love (30m),All The Way (19m) ,A New Day Has Come (10m),The Colour Of My Love (16m) ,S’il Suffisait D’aimer (3m),These Are special times(12m)—> TOTAL —> 130m ALBUMS by 2003 withoutcounting Unison/Celine Dion/A L’olympia/Live A Paris/AuCoeur Du Stade/Dion Chante Plamondonn & her early albums.YOU SAID THIS !!! (POST 253)YOU SAID THIS 5 DAYS AGO AND NOW YOU CAME BACK TOSAY SHE SOLD B E L O W 130m BY 2003 !—> Result140m+ sales for Celine by 2003 according to you5 days ago and now she doesn’t even reach the 130m mark !—>TRISH , I don’t know what to say. It is a fact you comehere to lie and provoke and this is sad.You may not trust my sources and this is acceptable.ACCEPTABLE. If you don’t believe Columbia Records(130m by 2000) , Island Def Jam (200m records by 2010), World Music Awards in 2003 & her label (150m albumsby 2003) & all her official sites that agree to whatI say I CAN RESPECT THIS !!!BUT contradicting with yourself and posting lies oncertifications and total sales is out of this world..!—-> After all this,there is no point fighting forTEOM , Emotions , A New Day Has Come etc.. . . . . . . .And sth more…The links I brought mention Mariah’ssales in Japan,China,Hong Kong and Twaivan to mentiona few Asian markets…!This is why I asked you to explain me why the linksare ”biased” ! Remember ? You just called them biasedwithout giving me a reason.Thanx for proving me now thatyou never actually checked my links. Kim says: March 28, 2011 at 5:45 ami will still love Celine until I die . tane says: March 28, 2011 at 6:29 am@danica5celine oh stop having delusions of who has the best voice! its obvious MC is ‘the voice’! sated that Mariah Carey has the MTV award for best voice ever, and in blenders countdown on top voices Mariah was rated #1! she also has a 5 octave range wheareas Celine only has 3! Mariahs sold more singles at over 75 million fact! and has sold more albums in US than celine! at 64 milliin! and 175 million worldwide! that’s over 250 million records worldwide! so before you come and put mc down by saying Celine can slay Mimi at her every song think again because there’s seriously something mentally wrong with you! @luke I believe you, but MC has sold 175 million albums(:…….. LuckyLuke says: March 28, 2011 at 4:59 pm@ TaneThanx For Believing me…actually you’d better checkthe link you gave me from her offficial site. It containsMariah’s certifiecations , certified sales and actualsales all analyzed.Even from Asian markets. :) J.C. says: March 28, 2011 at 7:34 pmWhere are these other singers at these days? Celine’s enjoying her RETURN to THE COLOSSEUM that CAESAR’S PALACE built JUST FOR HER… and her 260 Million record sales…LMAO! Jesuslovesme says: March 30, 2011 at 5:44 amCeline is the best! Nomatter what, Celine Dion is bigger news than Mariah Carey. Keep your LIES to yourself TRISH!!!!! Go get a life!!!!! Jesuslovesme says: March 30, 2011 at 5:47 amLuckyLuke is being honest. I don’t believe anything you say TRISH!!!!!!! Jesuslovesme says: March 30, 2011 at 6:08 amI will pray for you TRISH. Peace. P.S. It really doesn’t matter who has the most awards and achievements, because they are both in the same class and they are both uniquely different. There is really no point in fighting over who is the best, because they both have inspired millions of people. God bless everyone and I hope you will understand!! tane says: March 31, 2011 at 4:47 amjesuslovesme and how would you know whos a better artist? please keep your unwanted comments to yourself! their so irrelevent!!!! TRISH says: March 31, 2011 at 8:13 amLucky Luke said “It is just about time to learn not to attack people having a different opinion” .This advice goes to his allies in these debates.Well I’ll just reply to Whoever insult me or Mimi without any hesitation. He also imply Celine is the best selling artist when you say she sold 140 million albums in 2000,while he said Mariah’s sales were under this number ! MC is the best selling artist of the 1990’s,not Celine ! Moff : Just try to answer my last questions if you dare.Then you could ask me something here! Show me Celine’s total album sales in the 1990’s .Give me Links and sources claiming Celine is the best selling artist overall of the 1990’s instead of Mariah ! Lucky Luke,truth are not based on what we can find easily on internet,but on facts ! Mariah outsold Celine since 1990 to 2011 year ! How Celine could ever catch up Mariah’s sales ? You said All the way sold mainly in 2000’s but Mariah got # 1’s and Rainbow that also had sold mainly in 2000’s as well ! Lucky Luke lied.It’s from his business if he trust sources that favour his idols Celine & Madonna.However,he still cannot give any link that consider all Mariah’s Asian sales in their global sales statements ! I don’t lie when I say that these sources lie and are biased and partial ! They never consider Mariah’s Asian sales in any of their statements,just her Japan sales ! They know that Mariah sold much more than Celine and Madonna in Asia,but they just base their lists,ranks,albums sales,etc… on US,Europe,Oceania,and the rest of the world except Asia ! Moreover,they overestismate Celine’s and Madonna’s sales in Europe whereas they underestimate Mariah’s sales ! So,they lie All the links that Lucky Luke and others Madonna’s and Celine’s fans usually give in debates are based on IFPI.Mediatrafic,Billboard,etc… estimations,that’s why all of them are biased and not to be trusted ! No matter if there is 50, 100 , 1000, or 1 million links available on the internet,all of them are based on IFPI,mediatrafic,Guiness,etc…. that base their claim about global sales on estimation,Not on real and serious count !The ones that use certifications sales from countries biase some numbers and data sales or just exclude some certifications ( from Asian countries except for Japan ) That’s why all their datas sales favor Celine and Madonna .Any of them had ever consider Mariah’s huge sales in all Asian continent ! Moreover,I don’t trust them because Mediatrafic,IFPI,Guinness,etc…are based on estimations and make huge mistakes in their statements ! They even contradict each other very often ! (read David’s posts, some very old posts,Moff and Lucky Luke posted and you’ll see that some claim Madonna sold 300,200,185,275,290,187,etc…million albums and Celine 175,200,183,220,185 million albums.Lucky Luke try to make readers swallow that only us (lambs) are contradictory in our statements ! Tane,according to Celine’s All The Way video DVD,Celine’s sales were approximately 120 million worldwide after May 2000,These liars (Moff and Lucky Luke) said 140 – 145 million for Celine in 2000 year,then they talk about “Links”.The number of 145-150 million was claimed for Mariah’s global sales in 2000.Luke,As Lucky Luke claimed “Did Mariah sold 20 million from TEOM ? I ask him the same question about Celine.Did Celine sold 65 million albums from her 2000’s albums ? @Neringa : I respect your personal opinion and your admiration towards Celine,but don’t think that just Celine’s fans think like that.Everyone have these thoughts and feelings about their favorite artist.You also said Celine is “Charming and gorgeous “.So,even physical beauty can favor your favorite artist in your eyes,as you see! So I don’t even have the need to talk about Mariah’s !Every artists got charisma ,specially for their fans and the ones that idolize them.For everyone,their favorite artist have more charisma than the artists they doesn’t idolize or simply dislike. Yes,Celine is an example for all of her fans.But Mariah too ! Besides, more people emulate Mariah than Celine,not only on sing style and music,but also in look style ! What do you mean by “ Who knows the road of the career of Mariah? And how many people know the way Celine went? “ Mariah learned to sing since age of 4 ,under the “management” of her mother who is a professional opera singer.Mariah songwrites and composes since her adolescence.She has her Bac at age 17, then met the one that would become her manager .She marry her manager (Mottola ) at age 23. About worldwide popularity,Celine doesn’t have even the half of Mariah’s worldwide popularity ! Mariah influence international artists and wanna be artists everywhere worldwide,even in Europe ! Mariah is much more known worldwide than Celine ! Mariah is more popular in USA,in Asia ( the most populated continent of the planet ),in Oceania and through all the pacific Islands, and in Latin America ( specially in Brazil,the largest country of South American continent ). See ? This continents/Countries represents much more people from the globe, than the places where Celine is more popular ( Europe,Africa and Canada ) ! Lucky Luke,this is only your opinion that Celine sold 175 million albums in 2004 cause you can’t prove it by her 2000 year sales ! @Jesuslovesme: Celine is just your number one,now and in the future,nobody cares about it ! Bring facts and arguments ! Just the Las Vegas show can’t prove Celine is better .Celine learned English ? Hahaha! There is so many million persons worldwide who learn English,this is not particular neither an artistical achievement .Besides,Celine comes from Canada,a bilinguage country.French is her native language,and English ( spoken by the largest part of Canadian population )is her second language.So there is nothing particulary for Celine that had learn English ! Even some people from one official language spoken countries learn English language . Talk about true musical achievements and assets ! You said “Celine Dion was chosen to sing “Beauty and the Beast” and “My Heart Will Go On”. “My Heart Will Go On” is actually Celine’s demo. That is how good she is at singing”.So what? Which artist won’t be able to sing her own songs in concerts ? Singing her own songs isn’t a special asset or achievement ! You are really a devoted Celine fan,but you can’t argue for her ,cause your argument is childish .Bye bye !@ danica5celine “Celine is way better than Mariah…” is just your opinion.Mariah is way better than Celine on FACTS ! Let’s try to isolate the question of albums sales for a while . Now, since you say Celine is way better than Mariah ,prove Celine’s “ supremacy” on Influence ? Contributions ? Voice ? Singing skills ? Hits ? Singles sales ? Legacy? Mastering of most various musical genres /singing style ? Different musical genre ? Talent ( songwriting,composing,producing,arranging skills ) ? Directing skills ? Various Professsional skills (Modeling,Acting,etc…)? In what Celine is way better than The Voice ??? Everything prove the opposite,Mariah is way better than Celine ! Celine Dion couldn’t sing any Mariah songs cause her voice is too limited,too nasal ,too dry and sounds too old beside Mariah’s ! At the other hand ,Mariah could sing whatever Celine song,even much better than Celine’s version ! Mariah have a very special voice unlike Celine.Mariah holds vocal record that Celine could only dream of.Don’t forget that Mariah has the greater vocal range ever ! She’s the unique human that can hit the higher note and also the lower (deeper) note ever ! I even don’t talk about her mastering of difficults ,long and hard vocal runs,melismas and belts ! Mariah is humble as well,she’s just beautiful and sexy. She cares much more of herself and of her physical appeal unlike Celine. But that doesn’t mean she’s not down-to-earth.Celine just neglect herself,that doesn’t mean humility nor that she’s down-to-earth . If Celine is so “down-to-earth” like you say ,why doesn’t she give the half of her fortune as gift to defavorised people? since she didn’t spend it like other superstars ? Don’t confound look with wiseness and goodness ! We can’t judge people ( specially superstars ) just in accordance to their look ! Haters are just jealous about Mariah,that’s why they made bad comments about her.Mariah is a respectable lady ,a very gifted and talented artist ! An exceptional singer .The greatest and the best singer ever ! Lambs are so proud about Mimi !!! The Voice stay the best ! PS : To an indirect petty/slanderous remark of Lucky Luke on my writing style and spelling errors ,I reply openly that English is not my language.Danish then French are my native languages.German is my 3rd language .So it’s normal that my English writing style is lacking.And I have no time to post everyday and many times in a day unlike Lucky luke,that’s why my posts are relatively long. MOFF says: March 31, 2011 at 9:44 amTRISH! OF COURSE MARIAH CAREY WAS DCLARED AS THE BEST SELLING FEMALE ARTIST OF THE 90s !!! BUT: The album sales of MC were clear, unlike Celine’s – whos album sales were counted far after 2000 !! During the 90s beginning Mariah has huge albums like MC, Music Box and Daydream until (1995) so actually Soundscan certified these albums, but Celines albums like Falling into you or lets talk about love, All the way … all these albums sales were lower than of today or 2004 when she received the Diamond Award! All The Way of course has not sold 22 million in 1999!TRISH, you lie! LuckyLuke says: March 31, 2011 at 11:36 am1.You have a big problem since you are unable toUNDERSTAND (Not accept) what I am saying.MARIAH SOLD MORE IN THE 90s ! SHE DESERVED THE AWARD !I Hope My Capital Letters Can help you :)2.You write : ”truth are not based on what we can find easily on internet,but on facts”O really ? And may I ask you WHERE YOU FIND THOSE”Facts” ? ? ? Cause You used to say you find themon magazines WHICH IS PATHETIC !3.Number 1s DID NOT SELL DURING THE 00s ! LIE ! OnlyRainbow did !4.I Already gave links on Mariah’s Asian sales.Tane evenposted links you didn’t open.Do you want me to post them again ?5.You write : ”overestismate Celine’s and Madonna’s sales in Europe whereas they underestimate Mariah’s sales ! ”Any proof for that ?6.You write : ” No matter if there is 50, 100 , 1000, or 1 million links available on the internet,all of them are based on IFPI,mediatrafic,Guiness”—> THIS IS THE PROOF OF YOUR DENIAL.7.BIG LIE —> According to Celine’s video her salestill 2000 were at over 125m worldiwde and the dvdCLEARLY mentioned that her 2 best sellers had soldover 27m copies (still not certified 9P and 10P by IFPI)DON’T YOU SHAMED POSTING LIES ABOUT CELINE’S FACTS ?Thank You for reminding me this DVD !Mariah sold 130m by 2000 and Celine 125m by 2000 whileher All The Way was still selling numbers (same goes forMariah’s Rainbow)& Sony Bmg released another compilationthen (Collectors series 3m) & her albums were certifiedin 2003 !! *** All The Way was selling till 2001 ! & re-enteredthe charts after Taking Chances was released till MyLove was released.8.I NEVER CLAIMED 145m For Celine Till 2000 ! AnotherLIE !9.”Mariah is better on facts” ! lmao ! sorry , but everything proves Mariah sold less , while Celine canfill stadiums even in Africa , Asia (Unlike MC) wheresuccess for white western pop artists is not typical.Celine conquered the world and even affected the economyof Vegas.& is one of the most influencial voices (yesMariah influenced more bla bla bla) & is the afrancophone legend being awarded since 1996 for hercontribution to francophone culture.Mariah has been a LOCAL artist since 1999… sorry :-D——-> RESULT from everything you claimed—> Dear you have a huge problem because you have abiased theory in your mind and you try desperately tocall partial ANY SOURCE that doesn’t agree with yourNON-solid theories.You claim 170m albums for MC by 2003 , so according toyou World Music Award and her label lie and her officialsites lie ! You claim 300m records by 2010 – still noproof – so her label obviously lies !Lmao … convinient isn’t it ? ? ?I could do the same and just claim 500m records forCeline and call partial the ONE distinction Mariah havefor her worldwide sales !!An award given to her 11 years ago -.-‘—>And all these NEW LIES are posted after1.You lied about 89 number 1s2.You lied about 15m Us dvds3.You lied about album sales (6m For G.Hits etc)4.You lied about her certifications (Debut 8xP Oceania)It is pretty sad to have the nerveto call ME liar,since you have been fu**ing up thisdebate. LuckyLuke says: March 31, 2011 at 7:27 pmPS -> I NEVER Contradict. I used to mention 200m albumsfor Celine,only under my nicknames when I wanted toprovoke you.My Opinion on Celine’s album sales has been the same.175m by 2004…185m+ by 2011.You have the nerve to call ME contradictory whenyou claimed for MC1.150m albums by 2000 (Her Label Claimed 130m & HerAward)2.170m albums by 2003 (Her Label Claimed 150m & Her Award& Media , Magazines etc)3.300m records by 2011 (Her Label announced 200m records +)4.You First claimed sales of 140m albums by 2003 forCeline and 4 days after changed it to BELOW 130m albums.5.You used to say 89 numbers 1s for Mariah (with 0 proof)and then you posted 81 number 1s for Mariah.6.You said Mariah sold 40m albums in Asia , then 45mand then 50m +. (HUGE CONTRADICTIONS FOR A CONTINENT)7.You LIED that ALL her 00s albums are MILLION in Japanwhile her best certified album in Japan this decadeis TEOM that went platinum (200k+) !8.You contradict with all Celine’s awards anddistictions of course , but ok…this is logical.————> BUTYou will never see me posting lies for certificationsand calling Mariah’s achievements biased and partial.You will never see me insulting Mariah like you didtowards Celine. (Ugly ,Comedian , Clown , sour and dryvoice etc)Cause I am not a hater. <3 LuckyLuke says: April 1, 2011 at 12:05 amFinally…another huge lie was that Mariah’s albums werecertified in 00s. LIE ! LIE ! LIE ! LIE ! LIE !Music Box was certified in late 1997 10xP in Us(The Biggest Certification it recieved worldwide)Daydream went 10xP during 1998 by RIAA.Butterfly 5xP in 1999 and so on…Mariah’s sales during 2000 were clear,even at herstrongest markets Us,Japan.Unlike Celine whose albums after ”A L’Olympia”were certified in Europe (Her strongest market) in 2003 &Her smash selling Us albums were certified in 2001(Falling Into You) or even LATER (All The Way forinstance) & These Are Special Times was certified 5xP in2005 !!!The ONLY MC Album to be certified in 00s is MerryChristmas that went 5xP during 2003 ! It was 4xPin 2000 !Take Your time please to see I am objective , honestand clear in what I claim and be careful not to postmistakes or lies again please…mainly on certifications.Thank you ! TRISH says: April 2, 2011 at 9:45 amFirst : In the lists of albums sales you and Moff showed for Celine and Mariah in the other debate ,you showed that Celine sales reach over 140 million albums in 2000,and Mariah’s reach barely 130 million ,and now you say that you never imply that Celine sold 140 million albums by 2000 ??! That you always recognize Mc is the best seller artist of the 2000 decade ?!! You contradict with yourself ! Let’s Talk About Love and Falling Into You were both certified diamond in Us according to the All the Way DVD ! And you said that IFPI had awarded Celine by early 2000’s for her total albums sold in Europe reaching 50 million there ,so that imply LTAL and FIY had both already certified 9 P and 10 P there ( as Celine’s total albums in Europe till 2011 reach 54 or a little bit more ).The 4 million come obviously from her other releases of 2000’s. And All the way had already sold 16 million worldwide by 2000 in accordance with the DVD ! So the rest of 3 million selling in the 2000 ( it sales stand at 19 million as 2011 )decade doesn’t mean so much …And Sony had released a compilation for Mariah tooo in 2000 ( Greatest Hits ) that sells in this year.MC is ahead Dion on album sales by a slight difference .This is not just links which could convince us, cause all sales are not back up by certifications.There is places in the world where sales are not certified ,or are not counted well (specially some Asian countries,etc…) . Best selling female artist in 1990’s mean that MC’s total sales in 2000 year surpass necessarily any other female artist’s including Celine Dion.Trish is right one more time ! Celine could surpass Mariah’s albums in 2000 year only if Mariah’s stopped to sell suddenly from 1999.It would be impossible ! …<<<<<<<< ! Any link can’t explicit it by coherent facts …LMAO !any institution ( IFPI, Mediatrafic,Billboard,etc…) never really consider Mariah’s sales in whole Asia continent.Some of them just consider a few Asian countries ( 4 or 5 Asian countries,not more ).That’s why every links,and datas lists always show mainly sales in only Japan ! TRISH says: April 2, 2011 at 10:21 amAnd there was not just 5 million difference between Mc’s album sales and Celine’s in 2000,the difference would be much more !About the remarks as put for Celine’s voice ( sour,dry,etc…),they are not insults,they are truth cause her voice really sound like this when it is compared to Mariah’s.I just reveal them as you try to equal her voice to MC’s on quality and ability . LuckyLuke says: April 2, 2011 at 1:43 pmOh God !Please,THINK before you write.01.The lists we posted showed sales of 140m+ if youcount the 23m of All The Way in 90s,which is a dumbthing to do because I have been REPEATING than neitherRainbow nor All The Way were counted by 2000,when MC gother award.So there is no way Celine sold 140m DURING the90s ! I don’t contradict,you just take things the wrongway.02.I Have been saying the truth : Falling Into You andLet’s Talk About Love were certified in Europe in early2003 , with albums D’Eux , A L’olympia etc.Falling Into You got 11xP by RIAA in 2001 ! So the Dvdmentions clearly its Us certification because it wasreleased in 2001.03.Greatest Hits was released in 2001 , after Glitter ,not in 2000.How many time should I tell you to becareful in what you post ?& All The Way hasn’t sold 19m copies,this is according toyour MIND !04.Sales are counted in Asia. You just ignore them.05.You claim Mediatraffic doesn’t count Mariah’s Asiansales.Then How come Music Box stands at number 34 of theworldwide best sellers ? If Mediatraffic hadn’t countedits Asian sales it would be placed at number 90 the verymost with albums that sold around 20m copies !!But still…it is put beside albums of 28m sales andmore !Maybe you want to imply that Music Box sold 45m ,right ?Your argument about Mediatraffic being biased & notknowing Mariah’s sales is an epic fail.06.I dared to equal Mariah’s voice to Celine’s ? :OI should be ashamed ! lol !Maybe this is because I am a fan of both Mariah andCeline and I happen to know their pros and cons.And if you think of it,the only point were we disagreedis at beltings,so no big deal.What I can’t stand is watching lies about their skillssuch as what you claimed about Mariah being the artistthat goes higher than anyone. This is so mistaken ,cause there are women with wider vocal range& stronger whistle notes. You also had the nerveto claim that Mariah goes lower than anyone,whenEven at her prime time Mariah found it hard to sing lownotes live WITHOUT mixing it with whispers and breathyvocals.And I can tell you , there’s nothing easier thanusing a breathy voice.Now WATCH OUT -> I don’t mention these things on Mariah’svoice because of our debate. I just don’t like it whenpeople overexagerate like that.07.Mariah sold 130m by 2000 (Rainbow not Included) andgot her Millennium Award. This is according to her label ,World Music Awards , media and so on.If you don’t believe them there is no point at alltalking about other awards.08.I REPEAT, I HATE watching lies in this debateso be careful on what you post because you alreadyposted lies / mistakes about 89 number 1s (changed to81 number 1s) about 15m Us dvds, about respective albumsales (6m For G.Hits etc) or even about somecertifications (Debut 8xP Oceania) , about Mariah’salbums being certified in the 00s , about Mariah’s 00salbums being all Million in Japan & you First claimedsales of 140m albums by 2003 for Celine and 4 days afterchanged it to BELOW 130m albums.SO BE CAREFUL PLEASE !!!& Mariah’s didn’t get 1 billion thanks to her legs likeyou implied. That was a body insurance and is totallyirrelevant to income. LuckyLuke says: April 2, 2011 at 2:42 pmActually All The Way,A L’olympia and Live A Paris werecertified 5xP,1xP,2xP respectively in January/February 2004.ifpi.com/content/section_news/plat2004.html& A New Day Has Come went 3xP In November 2003.ifpi.org/content/section_news/plat_month_20031209.html tane says: April 3, 2011 at 5:54 pmluke actually Mariah did get an insurance deal on her legs according to venus at 1 billion dollars! NOT HER BODY JUST HER LEGS! arnold says: April 4, 2011 at 9:00 amTO ALL MARIAH CAREY FANS OUT THERE” MARIAH IS AN AMERICAN THAT’S WHY SHE IS FLUENT IN ENGLISH, AND FOR THAT SHE CAN WRITE SONGS WHILE CELINE DION CANNOT UNDERSTAND ENGLISH LANGUAGE BECAUSE SHE WAS BORN IN A FRENCH BLOOD WITH A MIX OF CANADIAN BLOOD,CELINE ONLY KNOWS ENGLISH LANGUAGE WHEN SHE STARTED HER CAREER IN U.S FOR HER TO BE ABLE TO RECORD HER ENGLISH ALBUM. I DON’T THINK CELINE CANNOT WRITE HER OWN SONGS. THE THING IS CELINE IS NOT AMERICANS CITIZEN SO SHE DID NOT UNDERSTAND ENGLISH LANGUAGE… IN CONCLUSION, FOR ME CELINE DION IS THE BEST SINGER THAN MARIAH CAREY!!! The Reason says: April 4, 2011 at 10:48 am@ TaneYes, I know. A Body Insurance for her legs. TRISH saidshe made 1b because of her legs and this is totallydifferent to body insurance.So she manipulated facts once again because of herignorance or tedency to lie. JessicaXJ3 says: April 4, 2011 at 2:10 pmMariah best seller??? Ahahahahahaha Really? Who lied to you? MC fan base? AhahahA There is a huge difference between albums and records. Yes, Mariah sold over 200 mil RECORDS BUT IN THIS CASE CELINE SOLD OVER 240 MIL RECORDS Mariah is HALF POPULAR worldwide compared to CELINE. First,? she had only one successful album since 2000 (The Emancipation of Mimi0). I heard this album on Internet – 2-3 decent tracks, others – crap. Second, her mini-tours were cancelled cause they didn’t sell out – nothing compared to megasuccessful touring Diva Cel. Third, her interviews are flop. She is so dumb, sounds like kid compared to the supersmart/graceful/intelligent diva. Fourth, her Glitter is the worst movie of all time. Fifth, her voice is strained and deteriorating. Sixth, her songs are same old crap since 1990, same bland topics.Her Memoirs is the biggest flop – full of bad songs and immature lyrics ”might see me at a poster might see me at a show but you wont see me 4 free boy this ain’t no promo” I can go on and on and on about MC flops TRISH says: April 5, 2011 at 7:18 pmArnold,your a poor delusional Celine fan.Celine wrote nothing in french language,nothing in English after 21 years of international carrer.She never compose, write,produce,arrange any song ! Celine is so far to be a good singer like The Voice ! Mimi owns 5 octaves of vocal range.No one can beat the woman that sang The Wind, Emotions, If It’s Over,Fly Like A Bird, We Belong Together, You’re So Cold, Fourth Of July,Bliss ! Even Whitney Houston can’t.Celine isn’t worth to take it beside The Voice,sorry.There are an endless list of better vocalists than Celine.Celine can’t even beat Beyonce, Toni Braxton,Aretha,Leona,Mary J on vocal ability.Your idol can scream,but that’s all. She’s light years beyond giants vocalist as such WHITNEY HOUSTON AND MARIAH CAREY ! Mimi doesn’t need her fans to talk about her singing talent and her UNIQUE voice ! Her songs talk by themselves ! Mimi is the best singer of all times ! Jessica,what can you prove else for Celine after her concerts ? Celine is relevant just to make people laugh on stage,nothing else dear honey ! The voice is relevant for an endless assets ! Moff, is this all that you can bring as debater ? Just repeating in each posts “ Trish is a liar ,She should trust Shut Up and Lucky Luke’s lists and claims ! “.Is this all that you can do ? Do you think that I am as stupid and delusional as you ? You are completely rubbish . GET OUT OF HERE MOFF ! Lucky Luke,I am clear ,Mariah is better than Celine on facts ! Sorry , but everything proves it .You can’t deny it just because Celine beat Mariah only on tours & Tickets concert sales.Celine hadn’t number 1 Hit the whole 2000 decade even in Eurochart ! No Grammy Award , neither other international awards! Mariah slays Celine on Hits, Singles sales, Voice,Influence on other artists, Incomes, Contribution ,Legacy,Diversity of musical genres , musical versatility, Composing, Writing, Producing,Arranging,Directing skills, worldwide popularity,acting, modeling,ect… Just concerts can’t make Celine equals with Mariah . CELINE DION IS GREAT BUT MARIAH CAREY IS BETTER !!!! No one can’t deny it by facts ! . Like I said, any institution ( IFPI, Mediatrafic,Billboard,etc…) never really consider Mariah’s sales in whole Asia continent.Some of them just consider a few Asian countries ( 4 or 5 Asian countries,not more ).That’s why every links,and datas lists always show mainly her sales in Japan !Mariah’s albums are undercertified in Europe, cause it’s impossible that almost all of them stand at just 1 million sales there after so many years.By the way,Lucky Luke didn’t really proved TCOML outsold MC album…Mariah Carey album sold most than just 200.000 in Oceania continent. It sold better in Asia than TCOML …also in Latin America. He accuse me to post comments just to lie and provoke,I could say the same about him ! He is wrong cause I debate and argue just like he and his supporters do. I defend Mariah like they did for Dion and Madonna! Well, Lucky Luke ,you said that you know how many albums Mariah and Celine have sold in Asia.Why didn’t you give them since the time we discussed about Sales certifications when you showed RIAA’s and IFPI’s ? I guess that your sources are based on partial estimations cause there is any official institution that really count music sales in Asia.Otherwise,can you tell us which institution certify sales in Asia ? In how many Asian countries this institution count sales ? in 5 or 7 Asian countries ? .TRISH MARIAH =BEST SELLING ACT OF 1990’S ! All The Way Album already got all its US certifications at the end of 2000 year and its worldwide sales was already at 16 million by half 2000.Falling Into You and Let’s Talk About Love were already certified Diamond in US and sold 27 million worldwide each.So, Celine’s best seller albums were already stabilized at the 2000 year,etc… when Mariah was claimed best selling female artist at 1990’s,her sales were ahead Celine’s although the sales of Celine’s 1990’s albums were already stabilized relatively as well as Mariah’s . It’s impossible for Celine to sell 175 million albums in 2004 ! Where these 55 million albums sold come from in just 4 years ? just try to answer to this with objectivity ! And let’s don’t forget that many Mariah’s albums were not completely certified at the time Mariah was honored by WMA in 2003! Albums like Rainbow,Glitter,Charmbracelet,The Remixes,Greatest Hits hadn’t receive yet all the certifications sales per countries they got today ,specially cause their sales were slow as they sold bad relatively .when Mariah won the Chopard in 2003. So saying till now that her sales were exactly 150 million by 2003 is a pure ignorance.TRISH @ Moff/Lucky Luke: You always said “ Trish,no links,no proofs “.However,on what you based you when you said Celine sold 140 million albums by 2000 year and Carey just 120 million ? On which source ? Which source could claim Celine sales surpassed Mariah’s in 2000 ? Lucky Luke said: “Unlike Celine whose albums after ”A L’Olympia” were certified in Europe (Her strongest market) in 2003 & Her smash selling Us albums were certified in 2001 (Falling Into You) or even LATER (All The Way for instance) & These Are Special Times was certified 5xP in 2005 !!! The ONLY MC Album to be certified in 00s is Merry Christmas that went 5xP during 2003 ! It was 4xP in 2000 ! Take Your time please to see I am objective , honest and clear in what I claim and be careful not to post mistakes or lies again please…mainly on certifications.Thank you ! ” LUCKY LUKE JUST LIE !!! 1- Lie : All Celine’s albums certifications were clear in 2000 year,not just Mariah’s ! The All The Way DVD show all Celine’s US certifications.Only These Are Special Times didn’t get it 5th platinum certification in US,exactly like Mariah’s Merry Christmas album.All Celine’s albums were already certified in US and in Europe ! That’s why Sony claimed 27 million units sold by Falling Into You and Let’s Talk About Love worldwide ! Even All The Way sales was clear !!!!!!!! Its sold 16 million after May 2000 ! ( Today,All The Way reach 19 million worldwide ).2- LIE: About Daydream , The Mariah Around The World DVD (1998) and also her Number one’s Dvd (1999 ) said both that Daydream was 8x Platinum in US.And its worldwide sales were not clear cause the Dvd didn’t mention it.3- LIE : Butterfly was 4 x platinum in 1999-2000 year.Number 1’s Dvd ( 1999-2000 ) claim Butterfly is quadruple Platinum in US.Following up the release of Rainbow ( by late 1999),every promotions about this album claimed “ After her US quadruple Platinum album Butterfly,Carey release a new album “ Rainbow”etc…”PS: According to the Dvd Mariah Around The World,Music Box worldwide sales was over 24 million in 1998 and Daydream ,Butterfly and Number 1 ‘S worldwide sales were unknown till late 1999 According to Mariah Number 1’S DVD ! About Celine albums, FIY and LTAL were at 27 million in 2000 year according to Sony. So,you LIE when you said that all Mariah’s sales were clear in 2000 year unlike Celine’s . In late 2000 year ,Mariah Carey Greatest Hits album was released ( 5 million units worldwide ). ( Celine’s The Collector Serie doesn’t sold 3 million worldwide,but 2 million the most ) ! In facts,Celine’s albums never surpassed Mariah’s as you try to claim ! Both artists continued to sell their respective 1990’s albums in the 2000 decade! Not just Celine’s albums continued to sell ! Mariah is still ahead of Celine . TRISH says: April 5, 2011 at 7:36 pmLucky Luke: You are not more than a PETTY COWARD ! Don’t distort my claims ! I never said Mariah earned 1 billion dollars for her legs ! I’m not stupid like you.I said she signed an insurance for her legs, worthing 1 billion dollars ( that doesn’t mean she earn 1 billion dollars ).That’s mean Mariah’s fortune is about billion dollars,otherwise there would be no question of billion $ ! Could you take an insurance for which the risk represents 1 billion dollars or 1 million dollars ? Only richissim people that already have the equivalent can take a such insurance. The Voice is richer than Celine ! LuckyLuke says: April 6, 2011 at 1:46 pmI Laugh so hard because you reply to anyone , but none ofthem seems to care to answer back to you. This is soembarassing.1.”Mariah is better than Celine on facts ! Sorry , but everything proves it .You can’t deny it just because Celine beat Mariah only on tours & Tickets concert sales.Celine hadn’t number 1 Hit the whole 2000 decade even in Eurochart ! No Grammy Award , neither other international awards!”No dear, I deny it because Celine sold more recordsas well & recieved way more international awardsthan Mariah. Even some of her local awards,wereabout her career achievements so far.2.”Mariah slays Celine on Hits, Singles sales, Voice,Influence on other artists, Incomes, Contribution ,Legacy,Diversity of musical genres , musical versatility, Composing,Writing,Producing,Arranging,Directing skills, worldwide popularity,acting, modeling,ect… Just concerts can’t make Celine equals with Mariah.”Only in Writing and Modeling because of her skills.Composing , Producing and Arranging yes , but becauseCeline doesn’t care. No comment on acting. xD3.”Like I said, any institution ( IFPI, Mediatrafic,Billboard,etc…) never really consider Mariah’s sales in whole Asia continent.Some of them just consider a few Asian countries ( 4 or 5 Asian countries,not more ).That’s why every links,and datas lists always show mainly her sales in Japan !”So you came back to repeat theories ? As I told youif Mediatraffic didn’t count Mariah Asian salesthey would put her albums next to albums that soldsth more than 20m copies. BUT IN Reality they counther Asian and put her high selle albums next to albumsthat sold 30m copies. LOGIC THOUGHT AGAIN MAKES YOURARGUMENTS FAIL !4.”you said that you know how many albums Mariah and Celine have sold in Asia.Why didn’t you give them since the time we discussed about Sales certifications when you showed RIAA’s and IFPI’s ? I guess that your sources are based on partial estimations cause there is any official institution that really count music sales in Asia.Otherwise,can you tell us which institution certify sales in Asia ? In how many Asian countries this institution count sales ? in 5 or 7 Asian countries ?”I also said I posted a link before but I guess youdidn’t mind searching -.-‘mariahjournal.com/infozone/index.shtmlFor more info you can see the link Tane posted.5.All The Way recieved its last certification in 2004just before Celine’s award. FIRST LIE.Falling Into You was finally certified in Us in 2001 !SECOND LIE.Mariah’s 2000’ albums were certified just after theirreleases because they sold really low and never chartedagain. THIRD LIEFor instance, Glitter was certified platinum by the RIAAin October 2001.6.”However,on what you based you when you said Celine sold 140 million albums by 2000 year and Carey just 120 million ? On which source ? ”I Think you can’t read. I said it all on my previouspost. But I repeat once more. The lists we posted showedsales of 145m+ IF you count the 23m of All The Way in90s,which is a dumb thing to do because I have beenREPEATING than neither Rainbow nor All The Way werecounted by 2000,when MC got her award.So there is no wayCeline sold 145m DURING the 90s !7.YOU LIE SAYING CELINE HAD ALL HER CERTIFICATIONSBY 2001 IN EUROPE ! HER DVD NEVER SHOWED THAT !8.You lie , Daydream was certified in 1998 and I showedyou the link. Sorry, but the certification dates CAN’TBE CHANGED by what is stated on Dvds. Dvds are notcreated to share info.riaa.com/goldandplatinumdata.php?resultpage=1&table=SEARCH_RESULTS&action=&title=Daydream&artist=&format=ALBUM&debutLP=&category=&sex=&releaseDate=&requestNo=&type=&level=&label=Columbia&company=&certificationDate=&awardDescription=&catalogNo=&aSex=&rec_id=&charField=&gold=&platinum=&multiPlat=&level2=&certDate=&album=&id=&after=on&before=on&startMonth=1&endMonth=4&startYear=1986&endYear=2009&sort=Artist&perPage=259.I laugh so hard because you asked which sourcesclaim that Celine sold more than Mariah in 2000 !Ok ! This is EMBARASSING to ask since there are sourcesthat claim Celine sold more not just in 2000 butdefinitely by 2011 !1.World Music Awards2.IFPI / RIAA Certifications3.Columbia Records4.Respective Sites5.Even Dvds (You like to mention them so I use them)6.Wikipedia (LOL)8.Mediatraffic9.Billboard as of 201010.Media (All Tv Hosts)11.Magazines (LA Times,Forbes,Hello,People)But you have called all these biased in the past manytimes. I just replied to your question.Uhmm…and I just can’t help by wonder…What sources claim Mariah sold more than Celine exept forher award 11 years ago ? :-O(Rhetorical question)Bye Bye JessicaXJ3 says: April 6, 2011 at 4:28 pmAhaahaha !! Really? Who lied to you? If Celine makes millions from concerts by making people laugh,in that case Mariah can’t even do that with her strained little voice.Nobody cares,Flop.Second Mariah is good to sing next to NickiMinaj or be a back singer to beyonce.Third,Celine sold way more records and has the voice to fill stadiums and sell her music.Fourth,Mariah is ATTENTION WHORE. ”Touch my body, throw me on the bed I just wanna make you feel like you never did Touch my body, let me wrap my thighs All around your waist, just a little taste Touch my body, know you like my curves C’mon and give me what I deserve”Thats how she makes money : i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/04/06/article-0-0B81116300000578-786_634x835.jpgi55.twitgoo.com/35bifxk.jpg what a shame , don’t mess trash to classy sweet lady Celine LuckyLuke says: April 6, 2011 at 7:37 pm@ JessicaYou overexagerate a lot ! Mariah is talented and sheproved herself in sales many times in the past.She has many proffesional assets , is a vocal legendand record seter.DON’T insult her because TRISH comes back here then andinsults Celine. Peace everyone..!Mariah is not a whore and Celine is not a screamer. tane says: April 6, 2011 at 8:18 pm@jessicaXJ3 oh please get over your self, if you think Mariahs voice is so strained then why is her vocal range nearly twice as big as Celine Dions?1?and you think Mariah sold over 200 million records?, she sold over 250 million records dear, with nearly 70 million singles and 175 million albums worldwide, so before you come on this site and post your puny pathetic little lies please consder your sources again!lukyluke I don’t want to get into another argument with you, you prove your sources which are undernyingly right most of them:)and Jessica its funny how you think touch my body is a trash song when it hit #1 on the billboard cahrts! and whore! really? Mariah has never been a whore in her life, let me dfine whore for you sweety!a whore is a woman who engages in promiscuous sexual intercourse, usually for money; prostitute; harlot; strumpet. that’s what a whore is! you are so immature!oth are great its just a hard decision and nearly impossible to see who’s at the top! but for me its MC!! tane says: April 6, 2011 at 10:15 pmthis link shows Celine Dion’s album sales which are under 180 million! celinedioncharts.com/byalbum.htmthis link is trusthworthy! please check it LuckyLuke says: April 7, 2011 at 6:27 am@ taneI know this link many months ago. Thanks for bringing ithere..! It is really detailed. (Moff posted it before)It is correct in singles,dvds,tours and soundtracksand other projects but it messes up in album salessince it has many mistakes.For example it says D’euxis 5xPlatinum in Europe , while it is 8xPlatinum.So 3m of Celine’s total album sales are deleted by thatmistake alone.Still this link shows sales of 175m albumsand if you correct the few mistakes it has (& Live AParis certification and a few more) you see Celine soldjust 185m albums like I said. & 50m singles & 5m+ DVDs:-DAt Least you know I don’t lie :) THAT’S A RELIEF !!!Again,Thanx For bringing it up…I can’t describe how much I like talking to calm, polite people like you :))If you can ,please post again this link from Mariah’sbiggest site ,in which all her sales are countedexactly,even in Asia.Thanx in advance !! tane says: April 7, 2011 at 8:08 pmthx lukylukee:) celines sold over 240 million records worldwide… now that’s cleared and I believe the sales I’m relieved as well:) tane says: April 7, 2011 at 8:38 pmths is Mariah Careys Asian market sales… she has sold over 35 million albums in asia where almost 20 million or so was sold in japan! heres a link: ukmix.org › Forums Mariah Carey LuckyLuke says: April 7, 2011 at 10:35 pm@ taneThanx ! This is what I have been saying for MONTHS.Mariah sold 40m in Asia being the best seller there byfar.& 28m in Europe & 4m Oceania & 5m Canada & 68m Us—> 145m & Sales from Africa (about 4m ? ) & S.America(10m+)—> 165m+ albums just like Columbia Records Hadannounced by 2003. They said 150m by then. (It is alsomentioned in our links clearly)& 11 From TEOM & 2.5m E=MC2 & 500K Ballads & 1m Memoirs& 600k from MC2U !It is so impressive because Mariah only released 19English projects & all this by doing no tours ! Sheis such a legend , such a hit-maker..!Her Japanese actual sales stand at 18m by now ,17m according to her 85 Platinum certifications.(Platinum in Japan = 200k)I posted it at the other debate.Thanx again :)) LuckyLuke says: April 9, 2011 at 4:14 am@ TRISH(I have to reply to a few things more)I just read these :”Celine can’t even beat Beyonce,Toni Braxton,Aretha, Leona,Mary J on vocal ability.—————————————->LOL,why ? Because she is a White Woman ?To start with, Celine has wider vocal range thanAll these singers, exept for Aretha that sings 3 noteslower than Celine.Second, none of them even sustained long notes LIVE theway Celine has done.(Exept For Aretha)Name me if you can one F5 note sustained LIVE for 11seconds like Celine’s ”All By Myself”.Third, none of them has overused their voices theway Celine has done with endless touring and many albums.(Don’t forget vocals are muscles and they should beprotected and not being overused.)Fourth, none of them possess Celine’s volume.Fifth, none of them,exept for Beyonce,has ever managedto dance and sing at the same time.(And Celine did itAfter she was 35 years old)Sixth, all these singers suprass Celine in vocal runsand melismatic singing because it is used in rnb/soulmusic frequently,while Celine who sings more pop orrock or blues etc has more simple melismas and vocalruns and she never focused on this style of singing.Seventh, as of 2011,none of them has the breath controlCeline has (Aretha due to age,Whitney due to drugs etc)both at low and high notes.To prove my statement I suggest you seeing Celine’s livein Oprah 2011 (Lullabye,Goodnight My Angel) for Lownotes and her ”Open Arms” version for breath controlin higher notes.(I am not comparing her version toMariah’s-I am just suggesting the video to see Celine’sbreath control)Eighth, Celine is not a screamer and as of her nasality,I can say it was a problem at her early years due topronunciation issues (she learned English then) & between2004-2006 and in 2008 due to her exhausting schedule.Facts.& ”Celine isn’t worth to take it beside Mariah”————————————–>If Celine isn’t worth to take it beside Mariahthen there is no point for you to be here.And of course there is no point comparing Celine toALL The female singers just to…make a point ! Youdid again in the past when you compared her toBritney and Aguilera.Enough of this.Especially when you have 0 knowledge on music pedagogyand all you know to do when you talk about vocal skillsis puting nice adjectives next to your favorites(beautiful,graceful,skilled) and mean words next toCeline (nasal,screamer,handicap,dry,sour).WITH ALL THESE BEING SAID…..On sales you can believe whatever you like on Celine– actually I have nothing more to add –but you still need to show us your references on Mariah’s300m records. You avoid it the past 7 months.&Think twice before you delete sources from Celine’sincome again (you mentioned only tours and albums) ! –ANY REAL Celine fan knows Celine has income from herperfumes as well,Soundtracks (50m+) , Singles (50m+) ,Special Concerts , Contracts (Crhysler / Vegas) ,Chainof Restaurants , Dvds and so on.Moreover,LEARN arranging skills = producing skills. Theyare not 2 different things -.-‘ ! And Celine alwaystakes part and has an opinion to the result of each song.She just doesn’t take credit for that in the Albumlines,cause she is humble. For instance ,she recordedthe ”Falling Into You” song and didn’t like thearrangment so she changed it. According to her Biography”Celine:For Keeps” this marked a step of heremancipation as an artist.Finally,to be exact ,after doing the ”Unison”album Celine involved herself in the production of allher subsequent releases.& Celine wrote a few songs in her career and composeda few other ones. She comes from a music family and isactually capable of being a REAL composer as 1.she hasmusic knowledge , 2.Knows how to play the piano andguitar.No wonder why the ”Entre Deux Monde” song isso artistically perfect.All these is the answer to ”Celine wrote nothing in french language,nothing in English after 21 years of international carrer.She never compose, write,produce,arrange any song ! ”These mean and biased comments against Celine,will everchange the facts of her skills.After all these mistakes in Celine’s sales, incomesources , skills & the bad adjectives you use ineverything lets me know that you are a Celine hater.This is why you are unable of having a CONVERSATION andNOT a debate ! This is why you are unable to write postsgiving sources ! This is why you are unable to writeposts without insulting everyone here & Celine ! This iswhy you call Mariah ”The Voice” to show how fanaticyou are and then accuse other people of being fanatics !This is why you called Celine ugly , comedian , clown !You went too far with this debate. LuckyLuke says: April 9, 2011 at 3:14 pmI won’t have internet the following days or weeks so Iwon’t reply any time soon,probably never again. Bye bye. tane says: April 10, 2011 at 7:50 pmthx:) The Reason says: April 15, 2011 at 2:30 amHey everyone. Sorry if I was harsh to a few people herethe past months. I am leaving this debate now. If anyonewants to contact with me about Celine & Mariah or salesor music in general can follow this link to my you tubeaccount.youtube.com/user/Luxiusta07?feature=mhumBye Bye and Take Care Everyone :) TRISH says: April 18, 2011 at 7:29 amYes,Lucky Luke can laugh hard at his allies , as they can’t answer back to my solid arguments.Sincerely,except for Celine’s concerts, I don’t see what her delusional fans could talk about to show her supremacy ! Indeed it’s really laughable ! Well,I repeat once again that The Voice is way better than Celine on facts ! You hopelessly try to claim Celine sold more records than Mariah cause this would be the ONLY true thing in which she could beat Mimi.But Sorry ,The Voice slays Celine on records sales ! They said “Celine receive way more international awards than Mariah”.You fail ,cause Mariah receive WAY more international Awards than Dion. Let’s see: Both already won -The Chopard Diamond Award -The Legend Award -Mariah won over Celine, THE MILLENNIUM AWARD ( Best Selling Female Artist Of The Last Millennium )!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! – Billboard Award for being the Most Popular Artist Of 1990’s . -Guinness World Records ( Largest Vocal Range Ever ). – 17 World Music Award ( Most than any artist ever ). -MTV Award for the best Voice ever And others….. Mariah wins on international Awards ! Influence? Mariah kills Celine ! Worldwide Popularity ? Mariah slays Celine ! We know that . Legacy? Mimi make Dion K.O ! Voice ? The Voice slaaaaaaaaaays Celine ! Talent ? Carey is the best,she kills Celine ! Writing,Composing,Producing,Arranging,etc…? Carey kills Dion ! Hits ? Mariah slays Celine ! Singles Sales : The Voice kills Celine ! Albums sales ? Mimi beat Celine ! Incomes ? Carey slays Dion ! Popularity ? The Voice beat Celine hands down ! Mariah is more popular in USA,Asia,Latin America,Oceania.Celine is more popular just in Europe and in Canada.They are both equal on popularity in Africa. So clearly,Mariah is light years ahead Celine on worldwide popularity !!!!! TRISH says: April 18, 2011 at 7:36 amCeline is far to accomplish as much as Mariah ! Mariah is way better than Dion ! Celine can’t write songs,nor compose neither produce because she dropped even her junior high school and doesn’t have enough knowledge to be able to do it !She have not enough musical knowledge as Mariah. She beat Mariah in concerts because The Voice doesn’t care ! – At her Baby Shower,Mariah received the “ Always Be My Babies” card and wishes sent by fans from more than 50 different countries ! -Mariah’s fans from US, South Africa,Singapor,Brazil,etc… made party about Mariah’s anniversary day ! -Currently, Mariah wins the FUSE poll “ Battle of the Fans” polldown ,who asked which Pop diva has the best fans ! Mimi won with 12,4 million votes ! Mariah was in competition with many young mainstream female artists that own the music industry nowadays like Lady Gaga,Christina Aguilera,etc… Where are Celine and Madonna ? No doubt, MIMi is the most popular female artist on this planet . Mariah’s perfume Lollipop Bling is nominated for Fifi Award ! Any Celine perfume hadn’t nominated ! The Voice makes the Billboard list of “ 10 Best BillBoard Awards Performances” The 10 of the show’s most memorable performances.She’s second behind Britney Spears with her amazing live performance of “ I Still Believe” in 1999. All I Want For Christmas Is You is named by Rolling Stones as one of the greatest Rock Christmas songs of all times ! Currently Mariah is very mediatized worldwide and she features the cover of many magazines,including UK’s, France, US,etc… .She was photographed many times since the debut of her pregnancy till its last days .Celine ? Hahaha! I don’t remind I had seen a picture of Celine while she was pregnant,neither of her pregnant belly ! TRISH says: April 18, 2011 at 7:38 amAt the Billboard list of songwriters with the most Hot 100 # 1s,Mimi tops the list for female songwriters with 17 # 1s,and no other female is even remotely close ! And she’s third only after male songwriters Paul Mc Cartney and John Lennon ! Songwriter Diane Warren is at a distant 2nd female with 9 # 1’s.Only Paul MacCartney and John Lennon are ahead of Carey ! Mariah Carey is ranked by Billboard the Top female producer with the most Hot 100 # 1’s ! She’s ranked fourth behind 3 male producers.Even Paul Mac Cartney , John Lennon , and the famous David Foster ,Walter Affanasief,Diane Warren doesn’t make the Top 10 list ! About Mariah’s Asian sales, Mariah sold over 50 million albums in Asian continent . If Mariah sold 18 million albums in Japan,Celine sold 8 million albums in Canada the most ! Lucky Luke is a liar,he dare say Celine sold 15 million albums in Canada with just 7 albums selling barely 1 million each there, while he claim Mariah sells 18 million albums in Japan while she have over 13 albums selling 1 million and,in which 4 of them are multi-multimillion sellers there ! And he dare imply MC total sales in Japan surpass Celine’s in Canada with just 3 million ? He’s rabid!!!! Mariah sold more than 25 million albums in Japan alone. ALL CELINE’S CERTIFICATIONS WERE CLEAR SINCE THE ALL THE WAY DVD CLAIM 27 MILLION SOLD BY FALLING INTO YOU AND LET’S TALK ABOUT LOVE BY MAY 2000! THESE BOTH ALBUMS ALREADY HAD CERTIFIED DIAMOND IN US LIAAAAAR !!! MUSIC BOX WAS ABOUT THIS SAME NUMBER ( 27 MILLION IN 2000 YEAR ) SO,NOT JUST MARIAH’S ALBUMS SALES WAS CLEAR ! THE LINKS HE SHOWED JUST LIE CAUSE ANY OF THEM CAN SHOW HOW CELINE SALES COULD SURPASS MARIAH’S AFTER 2000 YEAR. If Celine would sell 140 million albums in 2000,Mariah would sell 160 million by 2000 ,the less.MC is the best selling artist of the 1990 decade. She surpass Celine’s album sales since always. MARIAH CAREY SOLD MORE ALBUMS WORLDWIDE THAN CELINE DION . TRISH says: April 18, 2011 at 7:39 am@JessicaXJ3 : Yes, Celine just make people laugh on stage,and amuse them in her concerts,nothing else.Celine is successful on stage thanks to her pull faces and her comedic attitude,not because of her voice.Mariah sings her songs that she create herself and that nobody else can sing.At least all the merits of her songs goes to her ,unlike Celine’s.The Voice sings with her incredible and unreachable voice a way that only her can do ! Her singles climbs Charts and people around the world buy them.Other artists take inspiration from Mariah’s songs and her singing style unlike Celine ! Mimi’s voice is a model of perfection for everyone,every artists,every vocalists around world. Mariah has continuously raised the bar and set the standard of excellence within the music industry worldwide,specially on vocal performances. There is nothing easier than singing nasally ! Even children can hold one nose and give voice to sound like this ! Don’t be delusional dear,Celine needed to boost her voice on singing with famous vocalists as Barbra,Bocelli,Pavarotti,Sinatra,etc… The Voice never need other vocalist to popularize her own voice ! She’s able to make her proofs by her own ! She even helps non-popular young artists to boost their career so that they can grow up artistically and get huge.At the other hand,Celine use the popularity of old reputed and respected vocalists artists to back up herself and boost her own career ! Bif difference ! But Mariah already sang with some of the greatest vocalists of this world as such Whitney Houston,Luther Vandross,Luciano Pavarotti,Boyz II Men,etc… The Voice is relevant for every musical genres unlike Celine,that’s why she’s able to sing with Hip Hop artists as well as Pop Vocalists and Soul/R&B vocalists ! She sing with Soul/R&B vocalists,Pop vocalists,etc… TRISH says: April 18, 2011 at 7:41 amEveryone who compare the same songs that both Celine and Mariah already sang agree by the obvious fact in which Mariah’s versions slays Celine’s by far ! Let’s see: – O Holy Night – The Star Spangler Banner – Open Arms – O Come All Ye Faithfull All Mariah’s versions are better ! They are all better vocal performances and are also much more challenging ! Mariah wins by a huge difference.About Nicki Minaj ,she can’t sing a Celine’s song in the same way Celine couldn’t sing a Nicki’s song ! So,they are equal ! Only Mariah is above all of them as Mariah could sing songs from both. About Beyonce,just compare her rendition of the National anthem with Celine’s, and you’ll see her voice is better than Celine’s !She outsang Celine hand down in that song ! Also listen Beyonce’s “Halo” ! Actually,Celine can only dream on singing this song ! !! Celine can give loud belts,but it’s not enough to reach the Vocal level of MARIAH CAREY and WHITNEY HOUSTON ! Mariah outsold Celine on Albums and Singles worldwide ! Just Las Vegas concerts and tours can’t make Celine better ! There is so much other things that make artists huge ! Since when Celine had a number 1 Hit on Billboard ? Eurochart ? United World Chart ? Since when your Idol had a million seller single ? Since when your idol won a Grammy Award ? A relevant major awards or citation ? About voice,what vocal record Celine ever hold in her career ? What citation from Guinness World Record did she ever received ? Which worldwide poll about voice did Celine ever won ? What International vocal rank did she ever top ? A worldwide poll ? Magazines Polls ? Mariah already tops 3 vocal polls and ranks ! Celine never integrated even the top 5 of better voices worldwide at any poll ! And you compare her voice to MC’s voice ???? Do you think that only frequent belts in tracks could mean that a voice is special ? Mariah’s voice sounds very special ,amazing and perfect even in the songs she doesn’t belt at all neither whistles !!!! Mariah possesses a 5,2 octaves vocal range,Celine’s is just 2,7 octaves.See the big difference ? Don’t be jealous and frustrated about Mariah’s youthfulness,beauty ,elegance and sexyness over Celine by saying she’s an attention whore.The fact is that Celine isn’t beautiful nor sexy,but this is not by Mariah’s fault.You said “ don’t mess trash to classy sweet lady Celine” .So, Celine is a “sweet lady” just because she’s not beautiful and looked so averagely ? This is just your opinion,nobody think so my dear. TRISH says: April 18, 2011 at 7:43 amAbout the lyric of Touch My Body,at least Mariah is able to write her own songs herself,and it was number 1 at the greatest musical chart of the world.Unfortunately Celine can’t do the same . Mariah doesn’t care to clown around in front of million of people ,wasting her unique voice for money ! She have many other ways to make money without damaging her so precious and so particular voice. She cares most about the legacy she will left from her music ! Besides,she has much more popular songs worldwide than Celine ! About your babbling on the lyric of “Touch My Body”,Let me remind you that Mariah Carey is currently ranked by Billboard the Top female songwriter with the most number 1 songs penned ! Also the Top female Producer with the most number 1 songs.Mimi Slays all famous songwriters and producers : David Foster,Walter Afanasieff,Diane Warren,John Doelp,Vito Luprano,Babyface,etc… Unfortunately,Celine doesn’t wrote nor produce at all…unfortunatelly ! Mariah Carey is the songwriter that also wrote : Hero , Vision Of Love, All I Want For Christmas Is You, One Sweet Day, Fly Like A Bird, Make It Happen, Butterfly, Anytime You Need A Friend, Can’t Take That Away, Never Too Far , My Saving grace,Forever, Oh Santa, Love Takes Time ,My All, We Belong Together, Christmas Time Is In The Air Again,Always Be My Baby, Whenever You Call,etc… She doen’t have just songs like Touch My Body, Obsessed, Loverboy,Up Out My Face Boy,etc… as haters like you always try to make swallow.Mimi is an exceptional songwriter and producer ! She has all kinds of lyrics and all kinds of songs. Now you see why Mariah is way better than Celine in all means ? TRISH says: April 18, 2011 at 7:44 amLucky Luke said Mariah sold 18 million albums in Japan, but 17 million according to her Certifications there ? Right ? So How could he says Celine sold 15 million albums in Canada while her certifications there reached barely 11 million albums there ??! He’s so crafty that he feign to use some good words about Mariah for convince the illadvised ones.He’s so creep in fact Mariah Carey sold more albums than Celine Dion worldwide ! @Lucky Luke Why these women ( Beyonce, Toni, Aretha,Leona,Mary J) can’t beat Celine? Because they are black women ? When I cited these artists,I didn’t even remind that they are all black ! I just think about their voice,not about their ethnicity or color skin ! Why do you refer to the color of their skin ,when this debate is about musical skills and achievements ? Is this because Celine is a white woman that you tried to impose her as an ultimate vocalist and seller over everyone ? I don’t think the ethnicity of artists can have repercussion on their artistical skills ,abilities and capabilities.If you think the contrary, it’s your opinion.I emit my arguments regardless of these questions.I’m white and I never support artists because they belong to my ethnicity .This is behind me. Besides,I always consider Mariah as a white person ,cause physically she’s 100 % white.Anyway I wouldn’t make any difference if her skin was black ! No no, Toni,Beyonce,Leona and Mary J have wider vocal range than Celine! You’re mistaken my dear.Celine sings louder,but all of these ladies can sing much more lower and deeper than Celine.Celine never have true low notes like these women.Name me just 1 Celine song that have a deep note like in Toni’s “Let It Flow” or Beyonce’s deep note in “Halo”.These ladies usually show more vocal flexibility in their songs than Celine.Leona and Christina can also sing higher than Celine .Aguilera and Lewis catch up Celine on vocal volume in many of their songs,specially nowadays. Still Celine is a great vocal legend in her own right ,but Mariah beat her hands down vocally,sorry.About dance,you compare Beyonce with Celine???!! Hahahaa !!! Everyone can see how much you are delusional ! Which dance Celine ever did ? Celine is light years behind true dancers .And MC is better than Celine on dance. Lucky Luke said: “all these singers (Aretha, Mary J ,Toni,Beyonce,etc…) suprass Celine in vocal runs and melismatic singing because it is used in rnb/soul music frequently,while Celine who sings more pop or rock or blues etc has more simple melismas and vocal runs and she never focused on this style of singing” I n the same way,Celine surpass all these women on volume because volume and belts are used in Pop Ballad songs.So,they haven’t to hit loud belts in their R&B/soul or Hip Hop songs as they never focused on this style of singing. No,no .When I talked about Mariah’s voice,you always deny every asset that she have over Celine.You say Mariah’s voice is breathy,but can you cite for me 1 studio recording songs in which Mariah’s voice is breathy? I can do for Celine ! Can you cite to me 5 live breathy performances of Mariah ? I can cite you more than 50 Celine’s nasal performances since the 1990’s to just 2003,without even include her Taking Chances tour ! So,saying that Mariah’s voice is breathy just prove how much you lie and hate her ! You never stop talking about Celine filling stadiums,giving successful concerts years after years and that Mariah can’t fill any stadium,blablabla…However,you are upseted when I say that Celine haven’t Hits,nor talent nor skills although it’s a fact ! I called Mariah “The Voice” because this is how the musical industry call her since the 1990’s ! Everybody knows she’s the best voice ever ,take it easy.In 2005,when Mariah had released The Emancipation Of Mimi,All the medias titled her come back “ The return of The Voice “ . Your fanaticism toward Celine is discovered when you deny Mariah’s vocal supremacy ,talent,skills,influence,legacy,etc… over Celine while the whole world admit it.That’s why you called Mariah attention whore, cheap whore,bitch,fat ass, cow,fake boobs,etc… Your pride make you focus only on this blog since August 2010 till now,just for make Mariah’s achievements down. 1. Don’t care if you leave this debate or not,it would be a relief for me.I hope he won’t come back after my reply .Maybe he’ll return to say that Celine has huge income from her great dancing too,lol ! As he clearly stated that Celine is as great dancer as Beyonce Knowles !!!! Hahaha !! I repeat that MARIAH CAREY IS A VERY GREAT DANCER NEXT TO CELINE DION. What matters is the fact that Mariah Carey sold more albums and more singles worldwide than Celine Dion and is also much more talented and is a better artist overall ! MOFF says: April 18, 2011 at 1:35 pmso why did Celine got the 2004’s Diamond Award for album sales of 175 million if you believed in this award? tane says: April 18, 2011 at 9:02 pm@trish.. trish it is true Celine Dion is a bigger seller but only bearly:) I believe Mariahs sold over 175 million albums and over 65 million singles:) Mariahs a bigger seller in singles over cline dion and probably videos:)and love that trish is a dedicated Mariah aka mimi fan! TRISH says: April 19, 2011 at 2:43 pmTane,believe me I love Celine very much too,but I can’t stand that liars here say that she surpass Mariah on records sales .Mariah sold more records.Moff ,you’re not in position to question me in anything,as you admit many times that you hate Mariah,and also that you lied blindly when you claimed formerly that Madonna sold 300 million albums in accordance with Guinness World Records ! You’re just a crazy and sick Madonna fan and you know nothing about Celine and Madonna ,so Get out of here .We don’t talk about your talentless Madonna here. popdirt says: April 19, 2011 at 3:16 pmLocking comments and continuing the discussion here.Comments are closed.