Continuing Celine Dion Versus Mariah Carey

This post is for comments continuing the discussion sparked by the Monarc_2002 editorial viewable here asking whether Celine Dion or Mariah Carey has had the more successful career.


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329 thoughts on “Continuing Celine Dion Versus Mariah Carey

  1. FoR mOOriAH /sH**ney FanS says:

    – Album sales

    celine sold over 200 million copies from 1990-2007 as her label / RIAA / ifpi prove!!

    celine is named the best selling female artist of all time by everyone.who cares about sh**ney ? she is so irrelevant to music ! hehehe

    celine got awards this decade for album sales ! lol ! sh**ney got what ?

    – tours

    celine has the biggest contract for an entrtainement live show ever !

    she was the highest grossing solo touring act in the biggest market this decade !!

    she owns the 2nd highest grossing tour ever !!!

    over 500m dollars from touring !! heheh … sh**ney ? mooriah ?

    – DVD sales

    celine set records with her DVDs in 2007 , 2008 , 2010 !

    shintye houston no DVD sales ! ouch !

    you are all desperate giving credit to houston for the sales of ”bodyguard” !! hehe

    why ? because she sang half the album ? lol

    Titanic sold 30 million copies thanks to the smash hit ”my heartwill go on” but no one gives credit to Celine ! hehehe

    we don’t need these sales to prove anything…

    your facts are false and biased and they refer to local awards : exmplp. ”whitney has 7 consec, numb. 1 in us”

    what about world facts ?

    give us world records about the PRESENT !!!

    You mention records of 1992 and 1996 ? ?lol !

    whintey is done ! mooriah releases her 3rd flop in a row ! hehe ouch !

    this decade sh**ney –> FLOP

    Mooriah mega flop -> glitter / charmbracelet / remixies / greatest hits / ballads / memoirs / merry xmas / playlisr !! hehehe

    celine albums that didn’t sell much such as unison / miracle / a new day still were succesful for the label,due to lack of budget and promo !

    celine’s latest album -> platinum in us/uk/australia/europe

    2 platinum south Africa / china

    4 platinum in Canada !! -> 4m Worldwide ! :D

    whitney’s lataest album FLOP ! 2M The most,no hit singles, tour was awful !

    mooriah’s memoirs -> mega flop ! only gold in us,sylver in uk and gold in a few other countries !! looool

    1m the most OUCH

    Celiiiiiine rules…!!!!!!!! Her Movie break records and her DVD as well….

    she was the highest earning musician of the 00’s….

    mooriah and sh**ney NOT IN THE LIST ! hehehehheheee

  2. Joanne says:

    Discussions of who sold more and BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH are endless and a waste of time. Just enjoy the artist’s music and embrace it.

  3. Bob says:

    I love the three.But honestly,I think Whitney and Mariah are better than Celine vocally and artistrilly.Celine got much more success in touring and concerts.Mariah got more achievements than Celine and Whitney.Whitney is the master and the influence of Mariah and Celine’s sing style we must respected her even if she lose her voice.In resume the three are legends. But Joanne is right ,let’s just enjoy musics.

  4. stuart says:

    u all have to face that now…. Mariah is losing her voice…….whitney is gone..

    only? Celine whom exist between older singer…..

    she tours sells albums…mariah and Whitney have been more flop that decade…

    celine wins for me,

  5. Stephanie says:

    You are crazy on saying Mariah lost her voice ! Mariah’s voice still better than Celine’s.Just listen the songs from her latest Christmas album .She sound even better than Celine in her Christmas album These are Special Times ! Let’s don’t lie and be objective . Both artists are good .

  6. monique says:

    celine the queen.mariah is so irrelevant.she doesn’t tour,she only makes albums in studios to make moneyy.people noticed that,thas why no one buys her albums,sells her body to make hits.some download her songs but there it ends for her.one album sold well this decade.
    celine is the queen.so elegant,cute and kind,she traveled the world many times.to share her songs with fans..she works so hard and that’s why she is number 1.she tours,people buy tckets and then dvd’s..celine is a huge album seller,she doesn’t need hits to sell an album.mariah tries so hard toget a hit and even if she does no one buys her album now like it happen with memoirs of an imperfect angel.celine has a special bond with her fans,because they saw her live,so her albums sell many copies no matter the hits.people call Celine irrelevant but this is why her songs are sent to adult contemporary stations where the become hits and no in mainstream radios.Celine has hits most people don’t know because of that (have you ever been in love,faith,my love,stand by your side,you and i) …mariahs songs are sent to mainstream radios and especiall that decade,most of them flop. (never too far,boy I need u,through the rain,bringing on the heartbreak,say something,i stay in love, bye bye, I will be lovin you long time,hateu,angels cry,up out my face,100percent) she also sings in french and has many records.the best selling french artist.most records in france.the best selling Canadian artist ever.and generally the best selling female artist ever.the queen Celine !! 200 million albums in the world!

  7. Stephanie says:

    I think it’s a matter of opinion.Mariah was most successful than Celine in the 1990’s ( the most successful decade ) ,Celine was more successful in the 2000’s ( the less successful decade ).Mariah’s global legacy is bigger than Celine’s ,all decades combined( musical influence,contribution and revolution ).But Celine’s success is bigger all decades combined ( concert tickets sold, French albums sold ,income,etc…).But Mariah still sold more singles than Celine .It belong to us to know what is the most important for us and for music.Personally,I think Mariah is better than Celine.

  8. Stephanie says:

    And let’s not forget vocal beauty and ability ! Mariah’s voice is better than Celine’s till now.That’s not just my opinion,but an obvious fact : listen her songs ,especially her last Christmas album.Mariah’s voice is clearly better.I don’t say so to upset anyone but just because it’s true and obvious.though I love both Celine and Mariah,Mariah still my favorite.

  9. FoR mOOriAH FanS says:

    @ Stephanie Give it a rest already !! celine’s voice is definitely better ! Mariah hits herself down like an octapus everytime she tries to hit a note ! all in all,if she was THAT great wouldn’t people demand to see her live ?

    You use words ”facts / obvious / clear” to support sth SUBJECTIVE – your opinion !!

    Let me tell you that by far most people believe Celine has a stronger voice than Mariah.

    @ Everyone

    Moooriah was bigger than Celine from 1990-1995 & 2005 ! There it ENDS !!

    Celine kills her in total album sales !

    Destroys her in tours !!

    Sold much more DVDs than MOMO that wrote history !!

    WhOOriah sold more singles but who cares about singles ? they are really cheap (compared to albums) and now everything is downloaded !! she paid radio stations to support her – greatest payola bitch ever !!! dropped price of her singles to get hits (loverboy) !! she was paid money to leave her label ! hehehehe

    Celine’s albums always make profit ! No flops to damage the label like glitter,charmbracelet,memoirs !

    even momo’s new xmas album will flop due to lack of promo ! her label prefers to support riri’s new album ”loud” than momo’s album ! she dropped the level so much…5th flop in a row ( e=mc2 / ballads / playlist / memoirs / merry xmas 2 u) !! another one
    and she gets dropped by island def jam as well ! hehehehe

  10. Emil says:

    Hey Guys !

    Where is Celine and where is Mariah now ? In late 2010…

    Mariah is taking a break and is probably disapponted by her album and singles sales.E=MC2 did not chart strongly worldwide despite the hit lead single.Same and worse goes for MEMOIRS OF AN IMPERFECT ANGEL.And her new Christmas Album will not even be given a worldwide release in stores,while the lead single charted only in Holidays charts.She has almost zero incom from touring.
    I Think these years (2008-2010) were even worse than (2001-2003) for her.

    Celine is resting now.She just gave birth to twins,is happy more than ever and almost ready to release a new french and a new English album and of course do Vegas ! Her shows were sold out of course,despite the high prices ! In 2010 she released 2 DVDs that became smash selling,mainly in Us and Canada where they debuted at the number 1 spots ! Her Taking Chances tour became a smash success worldwide,proving how relevant Celine still is,while her album sold more than any Mariah’s release in this era.The album Taking Chances became multiplatinum or platinum in many countries,despite the release of another platinum album that same year (2007).And All these while she was doing sell out shows in Las Vegas and recieving many awards for her sales and contribution.

    No Doubt who is number 1 ! Celine was huge in Quebec in the 80’s when her albums were released there,huge worldwide in 90’s (albums/singles/dvd/tours/awards) and kept up going in the 00’s with huge incom from touring and album sales ! she is the ultimate singer ! I Hope she does that well this decate too !!

  11. Latonya says:

    It don’t matter $hit what you write ppl!

    FUGline LIPSYNCIon, FATriah COWry, WHOREdonna are NOWHERE in da history of music.

    Deir influence = ZERO.

    MRS WHITNEY is #1.
    SOOOOOOO MANY ARTISTS STILL CITE WHITNEY AS INSPIRATION!

    Get wit da program ppl!

    MRS HOUSTONS Bodyguard >>>>>>>>>>>>> FUGlines, FATriahs, WHOREdonnas discographies.

    This is a FACT. People know about it.

    She STILL has THE VOICE. YES. THE VOICE. THE TITLE Mrs OPRAH WHINFREY and da entire United States, heck DA ENTIRE WORLD gave to her.

    Guyz just listen to Mrs Whitney song: “I DIDNT KNOW MY OWN STRENGTH”. THE VOICE. Oprah crying when MRS Whitney performed.

    FATriah? LMDAO!!! Da bitch can only scream and whistle like crazzy dese dayz. Done effed her voice. Did you guyz listen to “Mine (FLOP) Again”? LMDAO! Talk about SCREAMING!

    FUGline? She done lost dat voice. Dat voice is LOST. DEAD. GONE. BURRIED. She stoped singing LIVE complettely because she KANT! LMDAO! Did you guys listen to her song “Taking FLOPS”? LMDAO! She KANT even belt.

    WHOREdonna? LMDAOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! Dis bitch is da worst of all. She don’t even have a ballad song. LMDAO!!

    Just listen to MRS Whitney’s song: I DIDNT KNOW MY OWN STRENGTH. Listen to her long notes in da end!

    THE VOICE.
    And this is a FACT all people around da world admit.

  12. FoR mOOriAH /sH**ney FanS says:

    You don’t care ? then why do you come back bitch ?

    Learn how to write uneducated ghetto trash ! hehehee

    Yeah Weedney is Da Voice -> youtube.com/watch?v=b1q6pL6FRFU

    Hehehe ! she is so high because of DRUGS !

    She can’t sing because of DRUGS !

    Look at her..she is sweat on stage and looks like sh** hehe !

    That’s why people LEFT her tour in Astralia and UK ! FACT !

    Is there sth worse that this ? lol 1 NO RESPECT FOR DA ”ARTIST”

    7 Years with no album and her sh** flopped ! hehehe !

    Celine outsold her in tours and her Taking Chances Album

    Sold MORE !! OUCH !!

    Noone admits her as Voice ! As Drugs queen perhaps ! lol

    she disappointed eveyrone !

    took the respect she once had , threw it in your Ghetto face and went back to her crack pipe !!

    she is so irrelevant to music scene today ! no adult contemporay , no dance , no mainstream singer ! nothing !

    she released Million dollar bill after 8 years and the song peaks at number 100 ! Hahahahahha
    jaahhahahahahhahaha

    Soooooooo pathetic………how does it feel to support a loser ? ? ?

  13. MARIAH & WHITNEY are the best ! says:

    You will when you believe that Mariah Carey and Whitney Houston are the two best FEMALE ARTISTS OF ALL TIMES and THE BEST FEMALE SINGERS EVER !

  14. Momo says:

    @ Mooriah fans.About voice,just compare Celine’s 1998 O come all ye faithfull with Mariah’s 2010 ‘s version.Mariah blow the Celine’s version.Mariah Carey is the best selling female artist of all times and the best singer ever !

  15. FoR mOOriAH FanS says:

    @ Momo … Bite me , will Ya ?

    Who cares ? Like 200.000 people worldwide will but her new xmas trash ! he he he ! so flop and irrelevant ! people buy Susan boyle’s album instead and riri’s ! lol ! Weedney is artistically dead and Mariah flops !

    Celine kills them in album sales , voice , tours , DVD !
    She still had many AC Hits and rules !! Fact !! Just wait
    for her new albums in 2011 & her Vegas Show that is ALREADY SOLD OUT IRRELEVANT PIGS !

  16. Trish says:

    @ Mooriah Scarey fans :Fu** you,idiot ! motherfu**er! Don’t you ashamed to spread your sh**s here ? You’re crazy ! Get yourself a dildo as unison leave you alone now,a**hole ! Unison damaged your ass and you continue to pander to Celine ?? Now,Which sold more among Madonna and Celine ? Get a life and fu** your bitch-mother,dirty a**hole !
    Mariah Carey towards Cameline and Whoredonna in everything !Sorry .

  17. Tomislav Pavlinic says:

    Celine Dion is the empress of pop & Mariah & Whitney are material stars plus Celine believes in bringing her children on a responsible manner.

  18. Tomislav Pavlinic says:

    million dollar bill is a trashy garbage of an lyric fullstop

  19. Tomislav Pavlinic says:

    mariah is a hooker of a gangster woman.

  20. Latonya says:

    ***HAD TO COPY MY PREVIOUZ MSSG COZ NONE OF U BISHES COULD REFUTE ANYTHUNG OF WHAT I WRITTEN.

    FoR mOOriAH FanS/Unison/My Love/Lucky Luke/CelineDionFan7/

    THE SAME PERSON posting from all diz namez. Do you understand HOW GOTT DAMMED P-A-T-H-E-T-I-C and empty of life, yes EVERYDAY life, you are you had to actually post not from one. not two but 5 yes FIVE different names? LMDAAAAOOOOOO! STILL couldn’t refute ANY of my points:

    (UPDATE: I see you now post from yet ANOTHER name: Emil. Cmon now gerl get A LIFE. Go out, meet people DO SOMETHING wi ur life instead ofs sitting ALL DAY EVERRY DAY defending FUGline. She don’t know you she dint guve a care bout u!!!!!)

    MRS WHITNEY ELISABETH HOUSTON is not only THE MOST SUCCESSSFUL, BEST SELLING & AWARDED female artist in the histroy of music but she also HAS da voice. THE VOICE. Guinness world records CNN and every available news outlet supports this. Da voice that LIPSYNCHIne Dion no longa haz. DEAL WIT DA FACTS lil kid.

    No FATriah, NO LIPSYNCHine, NO WHOREdonna.

    MRS ELIZABETH WHITNEY HOUSTON BROWN. YES! After her comes MRS Mary J Blige. The Queen of Hip Hop Soul.

    MRS WHITNEY is

    Successful MOVIE STAR (The Bodyguard SH**S on Fatriahs Precious, WHOREDONNAS Whos dat girl and LIPSYNCHInes… Well….. LIPSYNCHINes…. well…… EMPTY, ZERO MOVIE CAREER. The despperate ugly ANCIENT chick wants 2 star in films yet NO ONE hires er. BEcause she is NO star and a certified FLOP. See that UltraFLOPPED tour documentary she did only her family watched LMDAOOOOOO!)

    ONE UNTOUCHHABLE VOICE (I WILL ALWAYS LOVE YOU sh**s on LIPSYNCHINES my fart will go on, FATriahs Without Chu, WHOREDONNAs all songz)

    THE HIGHEST SALES EVER (Da Bodyguard outsold EVERY SIINGGLE ALBUM FROM WHOREDonna, FatRriah, and LIPSYNCHINE).

    Now RUN ALONG. HAHAHA.

  21. FoR mOOriAH /sH**ney FanS says:

    @ Lantoya Hey Bitch ! why don’t you say that I am behind every nickname that supports Celine here ? hehehe !

    I mean you forgot monique and tomislav ! hehehe !

    what ”da facts” are you talking about?

    What facts ? what facts ? bring em here coward !! calling her best selling is your fu**ing opinion , not a fact !
    whitney sh**ston takes credit for bodyguard although she sang HALF DA ALBUM ! he he eh…all of you are so pathetic trying to add to her total sales the bodyguard soundtrack !!

    No one touches her voice ? hehehehhehehe

    nooooo ! Drugs DO TOUCH her voice !!

    Whitney will always be remember for her phrase
    ”crack is whack , crack is cheap ” she said so in an interview !! hehe
    —> youtube.com/watch?v=ytJpZguSy2U
    WHAT A SHAME ! he he eh !!

    She says she is too rich to buy crack ! lol ! what a great example she is for young people !

    @ Trish ! Zzzzzz … you r booooring girl ! you try like a cu** to make me and Celine fans argue because I like Madonna ! well bitch , your effort is failing,just like pigriah’s new xmas album !! lol Unison damaged you most of all since you r still unable to talk with facts.

    @ Everyone…stop talking about weedney and pigriah pleeease !! hehehe

    they are irrelevant flops this decade…they don’t tour , no one cares about their ”voices”,their albums flop (only ONLY teom sold) , they sell no dvds, many many songs flop although they are released to mainstream radiosss……they are done !

    Let’s all talk aboOUT Celine ! :D

    – the highest grossing tour of the decade

    – the best selling female artist behind brit in Us

    – the woman who got many distinctions while weedney got REHAB and Mooriah got WEIGHT ! HEHEHEH

    – the woman behind huuuge album sales this decade ( a new day has come / 1 fille et 4 types / all the way / one heart / d’elles / on ne change pas ) and DVDs ( Celine sur le pleins / on ne change pas / LIVE IN LAS VEGAS / Taking Chances world tour / celine:through the eyes on the world )

    – Love,Whitney (2001) FLOP

    – One Wish (2003) FLOP

    – Ultimate Collection (2007) FLOP (Only successful In UK & Aust.)

    – Just Whintey (2002) FLOP OF THE FLOPS hehehe

    – I Look To You (2009) FLOP & IRRELEVANT COMEBACK & D I S A S T E R TOUR !! ( 2m despite anticipation of 7 years !! 7 YEARS !! 7 YEARS !! HEHEHEHEHE)

    – Glitter (2001) FLOP ( & Critically Flop)

    – Charmbracelet (2002) FLOP ( & Critically Flop)

    – Greatest Hits (2001) MODERATE

    – Remixies (2003) FLOP

    – TEOM (2005) SUCCESS (Best selling album by a female artist in 2005 , best selling album by an artist in Us)

    – E=MC2 (2008) FLOP (26TH bEST SELLING OF 2008 hehehehe, despite anticipation of 3 years loll)

    – MEMOIRS OF AN IMPERFECT COW (2009) FLOP OF THE FLOPS

    – MERRY XMAS 2 YOU (2010) FLOP (Her label won’t promote it and it won’t even be given a worldwide release in markets,because they don’t believe in wooriah but in riri’s new album that already has 3 top 3 singles – so first week of sales 45.000 in us and second week 30.000 while dropping to number 12 OUCH !! )

    – BALLADS (2008) FLOP

    – PLAYLIST FLOP

    – A NEW DAY HAS COME SUCCESS ( Top 5 Best Selling Of 2002)

    – ONE HEART SUCCESS (Top 10 Best Selling Of 2003)

    – 1 FILLE ET 4 TYPES SUCCESS ( Top 5 Best Selling French Worldwide of 2003)

    – A NEW DAY…LIVE IN LAS VEGAS FLOP

    – MIRACLE MODERATE (One of the best selling baby albums ever)

    – ON NE CHANGE PAS SUCCESS (Best selling French compilation of 2005 WORLDWIDE)

    – D’ELLES SUCCESS (Best selling french album by a female artist in 2007)

    – TAKING CHANCES SUCCESS (Multiplatinum or platinum or gold everywhere)

    – MY LOVE SUCCESS

    & sales from DVDs & sales from tours & awards & distinctions & named the highest earning artist of the decade !

    ( got it lantoya ? of DA Decade ….BITCH !! )

  22. Manbide says:

    Mariah sold more albums than Celine.Celine is a rooster while Mariah is the Songbird Supreme.Celine doesn’t have voice at all,but a nose.You’re a bitch Mooriah scarey fans.Whatever you say,Mariah stay the winner.END OF STORY !

  23. Manbide says:

    @ mooriah fans.Go and get a life,fu**ing idiot.Celine and Madonna are extremely rich while you lose your time here to insult other debaturs.Mariah is the number one.

  24. Latonya says:

    @ FoR mOOriAH FanS/Unison/My Love/Lucky Luke/CelineDionFan7/Emil

    LMDAO!!!!! I see you sure could nat refute any of my argumentz AGAIN lilttle CHILD. FYI: its spot easy 2 identify dat your postin from all dese names because all posts are in da same, INARTICULATE, broken, terrible English language.

    I see you couldn live wit da FACTS:

    MRS WHITNEY is OFFICIALLY named by Guinness CNN, Billboard and World Charts THE HIGHESTT SELLING FEMALE ARTIST. ~OWNED!

    MRS WHITNEY is a BEAUTIFULLY STRIKING model. Tall, slim, and wit a BEAUTIFUL face smile and hair. She don’t got NO ugly chin, fat nose, old skin, flat tatas like FUGLINE Lipsynchion, NO fake tatas, big cheeks, or fat ass like PIGriah Cowrey, NO manly short body like dat ugly alien WHOREdonna. ~OWNED!

    MRS WHITNEY is a CARING mama. Mrs Krissy Brown is a classy, lovely young lady who loves and adores her motha Whitney. Unlike FUGline Lipsunchion’s boy-daughter, and her 2 twinz dat are thrown away to nannies. Unlike FATriahs kidz dat gonna be thrown away to nannies. Unlike WHOREdonnas who buyz kidz from Africa. ~OWNED!

    MRS WHITNEY is a TOP class actress. Fatriah got terrible reviws for Glytter, Whoredonna is DA QUEEN of Razzies and ALL, I MEAN ALL, of her moviez got poor reviews and her acting is trashed and da ugly lady WON WORST ACTRESS OF DA MILLENIUM! lmdaoooo!!! Here cums da be part: CHINline LIPSYNCion GOT NO MOVIES. ZERO. Because she ain’t a Hollywood star and ONLY ONLY flops. Dat FLOP TERRIBLE FLOP AZZ documentary sealed da deal for any (IF AT ALL!!!! LMDAO!!) movie career. ~OWNED!

    MRS Whitney is a classy divorced woman. Mrs Whitney was married FOR A LONG time to Bobby Brown and was faithful and a great wife. Finally she decided to divorce but still has a great relationship wit hur ex huszband. CHINline FLOPion married her grandpa so dat she wont have 2 pay for a manager and HE CHEATED on her and wasted her money on GAMBLING! lmdao!!!! Whoriah was married to Tommy Mottola so she kould sell records, then divorced him and now married a man A DECADE younger dan her for sex purposes only! WHAT a classy pIG! WHOREdonna got married 5-6 times and GOT DIVORCED 5-6 times and is now only fUqccing 20 year old boyz. DISGUSTING classless whore. ~OWNED!

    MRS Whitney has A HUGE discography and YET, here cums da best part fellas, she released 10 albums ONLY. WHORiah released 20, WHOREdonna 30 and CHINline LIPSYNCion 60 albumz! LMDAO!!! WHAT A HUGE AZZ ACCOMPLISHEMNT of Mrs Whitney to be able to outsell all 3 bitches wit 10 albums ONLY. ~OWNED!

    MRS WHITNEY has still THE VOICE.
    Every person walking in da streets will reply to you “WHITNEY HOUSTON” once you ask him or her “WHO IS DA VOICE? DA BIGGEST VOICE IN MUSIC HISTORY?”. FUGLine Lipsyncions voice is GONE all mighty GONE becos she kan ONLY lipsync. She once sang live in a performanze from 2007 and people called tour offices to COMPLAIN coz she sounded like HORSE (sumtin she resembles A WHOLE LOTTA LOT LMDAO!!!) shyt. She ONLY AND ALWAYS lipsyncs. FAKE, NON singer. FATriah is a total lost case. Dat voice she got was last heard on her flop ass Emancipation of MOO MOO cd. We BURP togeder was da last song she sang, since den she only screamz and schreeches! FAT GONE bitch. WHOREDONNA: no commentzz hurr. Dis ugly OLD bitch is outsang easily by non talented sluts like Miley Cyrus. Go figure!! LMDAO! ~OWNED!

    THIS IS IT.
    CAN YOU REFUTE ANY OF THIS? no!
    CAN YOU? no!
    I ASKED CAN YOU? no!

    Does da public ADMIT what I said as FACTZ? YES!
    YES!
    YES!

    ~OWNED!
    ~OWNED!
    ~OWNED!

    done and burried. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

  25. FoR mOOriAH /sH**ney FanS says:

    @ Lantoya Uhmmm….you wish ! he he !

    you ghetto rat talk about broken English ? lol

    anyway…

    Take a look at this

    -> youtube.com/watch?v=c2ePIHhUUtM

    Great voice huh ? he he eh eehehe

    Weedney sold like 130m albums ! she far behing mooriah , Celine and Madonna in album sales.

    she was laaazy to release albums ! he ehe he !

    Her Bodygurad sh** indeed sold more than any other album of moriah’s , celine’s , Madonna ‘s but that doesn’t make her the best selling artist because her total album sales are lower !

    Falling Into You and Let’s Talk About Love outsell every other of sh**ney’s album.

    Her Voice is gone from crack.

    Madonna is the ONLY Female artist that can boast about being in the Guinness Book !! Got That ?

    2010 For Total Sales of 300m !!! Hurts right ? Ouch !!!

    World charts forgot Whintey exists ! nobody gives a sh**…

    that’s why fans argue between Celine / Pigriah and Madonna ! Whitney is relevant to a few people like you !! he heeh ehe ! She never becomes part of ”best selling debates” unless trash like you jump into fights,like you did here !!

    How many of mind arguments have you took down ? 0 !!!

    Or Unison’s ? ooooooooo….i forgot ! I am the same person !! loool !!!!

    anyway…I don’t know why I write posts for retarded people…If I had you in front of me,you couldn’t even make a full sentence to support trash like weedn DRUG ey ! she is even worse than Mooriah ! at least mooriah writes her own crap and she never took drugs !!!

    Whitney being fashion model / actress / caring mama (yet Drug Queen) … all these are irrelevant to the topic ”best selling female artist” !!

    and don’t mention MJ Bl. ok you like her ! we got it! but she sells only (only) in Us , so she is out of the topic !!

    Finally answer to this IF YOU CAN

    According to RIAA Whintye is ranked as the 4th best selling artist in Us with sales of 55m !

    Celine is behind her with total sales of 50m !

    In Europe…Celine is the number 1 selling artist (overall) for the last two decades with sales of 55m at least.

    Whitney is where in Europe ? ? ? Lol !

    Celine also sold 4m albums in Australia alone ? Whintey ? he he ehehe

    Pigriah is number 1 seller in Asia , then Madonna and Then Celine !! Whitney ?

    The facts speak !!! as long as I don’t get an ellaborated answer I am done with you ! Pig :)

    @ Mandide … you said ”songbird supreme’…hmmm…oh yeah TRISH used that expression before ! and you actually insult me just like she did ! coincidence ? he heheehee….

  26. Latonya says:

    @ FoR mOOriAH FanS/Unison/My Love/Lucky Luke/CelineDionFan7/Emil

    Im shocked cauze you totallz refuted my points.

    NOT!!!!!
    LMDAO!!!!

    Save the EMBRASSEMENT and run along. You can’t PROVE shyt!
    FUGline LOST hur voice, LOST her star power, LOST hur beauty (as if there was ever beauty to start wit LMDAO!!!), LOST her marriage, LOST her class (not dat she had class to start wit either LMDAO!!!)

    You simply and outright FAILED.

    Stop posting here causze you only EMBARRASS yoself:

    -AWFUL, BROKEN English
    -UGLY attitude
    -LACK OF argumentz. ANd it shows on you evergoing “hehehehes”. Drop it. It screams how WORRIED and LOST FOR ARGUMENTZ you are.
    -DESPERATION (I Mean who da fuqk posts from 6 differant namez?!! LMDAO!!!!!).

    THE PUBLIC agrees with ME dat FUGline lost her voice. NOT WIT YOU.
    THE PUBLIC agrees with ME dat FUGline lost her looks. NOT WIT YOU.
    THE PUBLIC agrees with ME dat FUGline lost her marriage. NOT WIT YOU.
    THE PUBLIC agrees with ME dat FUGline kant get hits. NOT WIT YOU.
    THE PUBLIC agrees with ME dat FUGline is a TRASH mother. NOT WIT YOU.
    THE PUBLIC agrees with ME dat WHITNEY ELIZABETH HOUSTON is THE HIGHEST SELLING FEMALE ARTIST EVER.

    MRS WHITNEY ELIZABETH HOUSTON rises above all. Stop posting FAKE videos with ALTERED, FABRICATED audio from haterz dat want to make her sound bad. You LOOK DESPERATE.

    FUGLYCHINline LIPSYNCHion KANT EVEN get a hit song dese days! GONE are da days when she, FATriah and WHOREdonna used to buy airplay for deir FLOP AZZ songz. LMDAO! Mrs Whitneys are ALL genuine, natural and TIMELESS. Everyone can name and recognize dem. MRS WHITNEYS LAST HUGE HIT WAS MILLION DOLLAR BILL last year! Made #2 on UK CHARTZ! SUCK ON DAT DIRTY AZZ FUGLine fan! LMDAO!!!!

    This is MRS Whitney Houston’s latest appearance:

    i.usatoday.net/communitymanager/_photos/lifeline-live/2010/10/01/whitneyhoustonx-large.jpg

    CLASSY, STRIKING, BEAUTIFUL.

    This is MOOriahs:

    mariahconnection.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/dailymailmariahcarey.jpg

    Look at dat FAT, DESPERATE AZZ and unhealthy ugly ass hair! lmdao!!!

    This is WHOREDONNA:

    gossipcop.com/wp-content/uploads/madonna7-281×400.jpg

    OMG!!! I pissed my pantz!! She SO ugly and artificial looking. Is dat even HUMAN or a deformed GOBLIN? LMDAO!!

    and THE WORST OF ALL dis is FUGLine:

    i53.tinypic.com/15po708.jpg

    OMG!! what is dat I see? An old ass looking man, a little boy holding a dog and ANOTHER man with an ugly chin, a fat nose and no mouth being pregnant? What da fuqk?!!!! I didn’t know science had moved forwardz SO FAST!!!!!

    LMDAO!!!!! OWNED.

  27. FoR mOOriAH /sH**ney FanS says:

    Owned ? Hehehe ! U Wish ! Not even Momo’s fans managed to shut me up,despite the FACT that Momo OUTSELS Weedney In every corner of the world ! Heheh Both Albums and Singles.

    Nothing About sales.

    Stick to the topic, will you ?

    Just the opinion of a woman that CAN’T write in English (cauze / totalz / hur / haterz /azz / pantz / yoself )

    (Whitney album sales -> 130m since 1985 / Celine album sales -> 200m since 1990 OUCH )

    Celine lost her voice ! You are right…this is why 6 million people PAID to see her live the last 6 years.
    6 million ? got that ? :D

    Celine is a bad mother ! Nice way to piss me off but I’m gonna show your post to my friends and laugh !! :P

    How many tickets Whitney sold ? Celine sold 3m in her show and 3m in Taking Chances tour,proving she is relevant.Answer to this please or run along ! hehehe

    P.S. I Know you are the definition of trash , I don’t know how to make you realize it !!

    Show you that you have no facts ? show you that you can’t speak proper English ? show you that you support the the most pathetic drug excuse for an artist ? show you that you just wasting time here ? in a debate that’s OVER since Unison’s and other fans answers. ( my alter egos Heheheee)

  28. FoR mOOriAH /sH**ney FanS says:

    TRISH Please come back…I am bored talking with Lantonyaa….zzzzz..

    I am not a native speaker but I’m gonna forget the English I know reading her posts ! hehe..

    At least you know how to write………. Missing you TRISH <3 :P

  29. Mrs Carey & Houston rules ! Celine & Madonna suck ! says:

    Mariah and Whitney are the undeniable winner…LMAO !!!.Nobody can’t sing like them…LOL!They sold much more albums and singles than Celine worldwide.Celine sucks…LMAO ! Madonna…blowjob…Lol! Mariah & Whitney rules !!!

  30. FoR mOOriAH /sH**ney FanS says:

    Undeniable ! if you say so… lol !

  31. Latonya says:

    @ FoR mOOriAH FanS/Unison/My Love/Lucky Luke/CelineDionFan7/Emil

    LMDAOOOOO!!!!! U don’t provve ish boo! NO argyumentz no prooph! And please stop dictating how I’m gunna speak when chu kant speak English properly eider! Here in New Jersey dats how we speak! DEAl wit it just like you deal wit FUGline continyous lip synching! LMDAO!!!!!!!

    Mrs Whitney = HIGHEST SELLING FEMALE ARTIST OF ALL TIME.

    CNN
    Billboard
    GUINESS

    Hurr!!!! You have PROOPH! Suck it! Howeva you failed to bring me prooph! seems to me dat you realized I am CORRECT and Mrs Whitney Elizabeth Houston is INDEED da highest selling female artist.

    LMDAO @ how you failed to hit back at my, VALID, argumentz dat FUGLine is UGLY, lost dat voice, got cheated on, is a louzy ass mother, and has NO hitz. LMDAO!!

    Sumtin else I’d like to add:

    MRS Whitney no matter how TALENTED and RESPECTED she is she stays GROUNDED. She is humble, sweet and polite. UNLIKE FUGline whos just full of hursalf, rude and aroggant! She dared to disrespect Mrs Whitney by singing (AKA butchering) her EPIC SIGNATURRE SONG “I Will Always Luv U”. She also spoke ill of Mrs Whitney and insulted her. Disgasting ugly chick! FATriah dared to mistreat Mrs Whitney by attempting to outsing her on Oprah! How could she! Disgasting PIG! She also copied THE VOICE MRS Whitney when she first started out. Eww. WHOREdonna luckily never spoke ill of MRS Whitney because she FEARS MRS Whitneys grandeor and glamour. At least dat UGLY alien acted wisely in dat matter. HA!

    SUCK DAT!

  32. FoR mOOriAH /sh**ney FanS says:

    provve = Prove

    argyumentz = arguments

    prooph =proof

    gunna = gonna

    chu = you

    kant = can’t

    eider = either

    dats = that’s

    wit = with

    continyous = continuous

    Sumtin = something

    epic signature song = epic signature COVER ! he he he

    dat = that

    Thanx for the free entertainment ! :-D

    youtube.com/watch?v=K6jpNulOn2k

  33. Mariah is better ! says:

    Mariah Carey is an legend…LMAO ! All others just follow her…Lol! Madonna,Celine and others are good,but they are ranked behind Mariah…LMAO !

  34. Lamb 4ever ! says:

    Mariah is the best in everything.Voice,sales,talent,achievements,beauty,etc…Celine ? No talent,no beauty,a nasal voice…Lol! Madonna? No talent,no voice…Lol! Mariah wins anyway !

  35. Celine is better ! says:

    Celine Dion is an legend…LMAO ! All others just follow her…Lol! Mariah and others are good,but they are ranked behind Celine…LMAO !

  36. Celiniac 4ever says:

    Celine is the best in everything.Voice,sales,talent,achievements,beauty,etc…Mariah ? No talent,no beauty,a breathy weak voice…Lol! Whitney and Madonna ? No talent,no voice…Lol! Celine wins anyway !

  37. FoR mOOriAH /sH**ney FanS says:

    Hi Everyone ! :-D

    -> SUCCESS BATTLE BETWEEN SH**RIAH SCAREY / MADONNA

    01.

    Glitter -> 2m FLOP

    Music -> 15m / Number 1 In 23 Countries / Lead Single Number 1 In 25 Countries

    02.

    Charmbracelet -> 3m FLOP / Number 1 NOWHERE

    American Life -> 5m / Number 1 In 12 Countries / 7 Number 1 Dance Hits

    03.

    The Emancipation Of Mimi -> 10m since 2005 / Number 1 In Us

    Confessions On A Dance Floor -> 12m since 2005 / Number 1 In 23 Countries (Ouch)

    04.

    We Belong Together -> Number 1 In 2 Countries

    Hung Up -> Number 1 In 45 Countries (World Record)

    05.

    E=MC 2 -> Number 1 In Us / 3m copies since 2008

    Hard Candy -> Number 1 In 37 Countries / 4m copies since 2008

    06.

    Angels Advocate Tour Grossed 800.000 dollars -> Flop

    Sticky And Sweet Tour -> 408.000.000 dollars -> Highest Grossing Tour In Music History

    07.

    Touch My Body / Obsessed -> Usa Hits Only

    4 Minutes -> Number 1 In 21 Countries !

    08.

    Memoirs Of An Imperfect Angel -> Almost 1m copies

    Celebration (Compilation Album) -> Over 2m copies

    09.

    As Of 2010

    Pigriah’s Xmas Sh** Album was only released In America

    Because SHE IS NOT POPULAR ANYWHERE ELSE ! Her Trash

    Album Only Sold 50.000 In Opening Week ! 35.000 In The

    Second Week -> Another FLOP For Her !

    ( E=MC2 / BALLADS / MEMOIRS / PLAYLIST / XMAS ALBUM )

    Currently Charts At Number 12 In Us ! Ouch !

    On The Other Hand Madonna Was Featured In GUINNESS BOOK

    OF WORLD RECORDS For Her Sales -> 200m albums & 100m

    singles !

  38. Latonya says:

    @ FoR mOOriAH FanS/Unison/My Love/Lucky Luke/CelineDionFan7/Emil

    stop talking about FATriah or WHOREdonna no one cares bout dize bitchezz.

    Instead TRY and refute or shut up my arguzmentz! o wait CHU KANT!!!! lmdaoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!

    You FAILED.

    CNN, Guinness Billboard = PROOPH!
    your fail argumentz, horrible English = crap!

    Hurr I’m waitingz. You KANT prove ish! Whilst I can. I gave chu sources GUINESS, BILLBOARD, CNN. Mrs Houston da biggest selling female artist on planet earth.

    *FUGline LIPSYNCHion: gruppiz.com/img/news/__BIG/5915_path.jpg

    iz dat a guy? O yeah! Its a ugly ass gangzta. LMDAO!!!

    *FATriah COWrey
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    who dat? All I kan see is a cow trapped in a Halloween cosztume. LMDAO!!!

    *WHOREdonna
    blogs.timeslive.co.za/minor/files/2009/08/madonna-scary.jpghttp:/blogs.thetimes.co.za/minor/files/2009/08/madonna-scary.jpg

    BRRRRRR!!! No commantz needed hurr!

    *Mary J. Blige
    media.onsugar.com/files/ed3/192/1922564/47_2009/25c6d7ced269463d_Mary-J-Blige.preview.jpg

    A doll! Striking.

    *MRS Whitney Elizabeth Houston THE VOICE:
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    a elegant, classy, radiant LADY.

    *HIT songz*

    WHOREdonna: 4 Minuts (to save my pussy)
    FATriah: we belong togeder (and fart apart)
    LIPSYNCHine: I’m alived (despite LIPSYNCHING)

    Mary J. Blige: Family Affair
    MRS WHITNEY: I WILL ALWAYS LOVE YOU.

    ouch!!!!!
    Suck dat!!! LMDAO!!!!!!

  39. FoR mOOriAH /sH**ney FanS says:

    Hi Everyone ! (Lantoya you’ll get my answer in the forum naming Whitney the best selling arist…till one is invented…suck da !)

    SUCCESS BATTLE BETWEEN CELINE AND MOORIAH

    01.Their Best Sellers

    The Emancipation of Mimi -> Number 1 ONLY In Us / 10m Copies

    A New Day Has Come -> Number 1 In 25 countries (Us Included) / 15m Copies

    02.Followed By

    Charmbracelet -> Number 1 Us Rnb Albums Chart / 3m Copies -> FLOP

    One Heart -> Number 1 In 9 Countries / 7m Copies / 10th Best Selling Album Of 2003

    03.Recent Releases

    E=MC2 -> Number 1 In Us / 2.5m Copies -> FLOP

    Taking Chances -> Number 1 In 6 Countries (Included Europe Charts /Europe=Us) / 4m Copies

    04.Recent Compilations

    Ballads -> 400k / Number 1 NOWHERE / Top 10 In 3 Countries -> FLOP

    My Love -> 2m / Number 1 In 4 Countries / Top 10 In 19 Countries (Ouch)

    05.Their Lowest Selling Albums

    Memoirs Of An Imperfect -> Number 1 In Us Rnb Album Chart / Top 10 In 5 Countries / 1m -> FLOP

    Miracle (Baby Theme Album With Recycled Songs) -> Number 1 In 3 Countries / Top 10 In 8 Countries / 3m

    06.All The Way Vs Rainbow (Since They Both Sold More Of Their Copies In The 00’s,Because were released In November 1999)

    Rainbow (Studio Album) -> Number 1 In ONLY 2 Countries / Top 10 In 14 Countries

    All The Way (Compilation) -> Number 1 In 20 Countries (Included Us & UK & Germany & Canada & Australia & Japan & Europe) / Top 3 In The Rest Of The World / 24m

    07.Their Big Selling Compilations

    Number 1’s -> Number 1 ONLY In Japan / 17m Copies (The Most)

    All The Way -> Number 1 In 20 Countries (Included Japan & Us & UK & Europe & Canada & Australia & Germany & France) 24m

    08.Their Xmas Albums

    Merry Christmas -> Number 1 In Japan and Holiday Albums In Us / Top 10 In 9 Countries

    These Are Special Times -> Number In 4 Countries and Holiday Albums In Us / Top 10 In 13 Countries

    09.Falling Into You Vs Music Box (Best Sellers)

    Music Box -> Number 1 In 9 Countries (10P In Us / 7P In Europe / Million In Japan / 7P In Canada / 11P In Australia) -> 19m Certified Sales In These Markets

    Falling Into You -> Number 1 In 15 Countries (11P In Us / 9P Europe / Million In Japan / Diamond In Canada / 12P In Australia) -> 23m Certified Sales In These Markets

    10.Let’s Talk About Love Vs Daydream (Second Best Sellers)

    Daydream -> Number 1 In 8 Countries (10P In Us / 3P In Europe / Million In Japan / 3P In Canada / 5P In Australia) -> 15m Certified Sales At These Markets

    Let’s Talk About Love -> Number 1 At Least 25 Countries (10P In Us / 10P In Europe / Million In Japan / Diamond In Canada / 6P In Australia) -> 22m Certified Sales At These Markets

    11.Dvds

    Nothing To Be Mentioned About Whoriah

    A New Day Live In Las Vegas -> 3m Copies (Best Selling By Any Female Artist)

    Dvds In 2010 -> 1m Copies

    12.2001/2002 Label Facts

    Mariah’s Label Paid Her Money To LEAVE,Because of the worst disaster ever ! -> Bomb Album & Movie & Both Panned by critics and public alike.

    Celine’s Label (SONY – THE BIGGEST LABEL OF THE WORLD) Announced during her break that Celine was BY FAR the most important member of the team.Even more than M.Jackson.

    & In 2002 while Mooriah was flopping again Celine signed the BIGGEST CONTRACT EVER IN MUSIC HISTORY FOR A LIVE ENTERTAINMENT SHOW !

    13.As Of 2010 ?

    Mooriah Keeps Flopping And Flopping

    Celine Holds Diamond / Legend Award / Legion D’Honeur / Title ”Artist Of The New Millenium” / Highest Solo Touring Act / Highest Earning Musician Of The Decade !

    Mooria’s Label Doesn’t Promoted Her Crap Anymore – not even a worldwide release.

    Celine’s Vegas Show is already SOLD OUT Haters !

  40. Trish says:

    @ Mooriah scarey fans/ Lucky Luke/Unison/Chris/etc…

    All these nicknames are the same person.You just try to get a different writing style but any smart person can notice it. You’re so pathetic !
    Mariah’s TEOM sold much more than Ugline A new trash Has Come ! Music Box sold more than Failling Into My Nose,Merry Christmas sold much more than Celine’s These are special trashes, Daydream sold as much as Let’s Talk About Nasal Voice.You just lie,dirty & deep a-hole !
    You still spread your crap here,vomit ? Your mouth is stinking,your lies stinks in here!
    Ugline Dion can’t sing well.She have bad breath and sings with her nose.Chin Dion is so ugly,so old-fashioned.Her voice sound old,bland,sour,dry,clumsy,nasal,rusted,stiff,inflexible,soulless and graceless.All her voice got over any other average singers is only volume, nothing else. She’s just a rooster ! Sh**line Dion is an ugly discreet bitch.She slept with Rene Angelil at the age of 13 to getting promoted by him.That’s why Rene stopped suddenly to manage all others singers to promote only this illiterate ugly bitch.Rene just fu**ed Chin Dion for pity’s sake as Celine would never got any boy or man as lover.Thanks to Rene ,Chin knows what old and spoil love is . That’s why Rene divorced to his wife.It’s because your young ugly reserved bitch fu**ed with him. In facts,whom normal guy would date this ugly granny ? Your wrinkled idol is nothing next to Mariah.
    Whoredonna : She’s the queen of bitches and whores.Whoredonna is a prostitute,she slept with everybody in show-business for getting success.More than 500 men passed over Madonna,that’s why she reach this level of success although she can’t sing.She’s a slut ! Her ass is damaged by men.Her pussy stinks and rots.Madonna is the one who introduced AIDS in the world.All her achievements are trashes,immorality,obscenity,vulgarity,extravagance,eccentricity,shamelessness,etc…Although she’s a middle-aged woman,she continue to get fu**ed by severall men and boys.She make me feel sick,this slut !
    Now Mariah Carey :She is the true diva,the ultimate vocalist and the best singer ever .
    Her voice : The best voice ever ! Smoothness,beauty,grace,versatility,elegance,femininity,sweetness,tenderness,power,flexibility,agility,elasticity,virtuosity.Mariah is the queen of soulfulness,the supreme mistress of melismas .Her new Christmas album prove that her voice beat any female voice and still the best by far.Any other female artist can’t sing her songs !
    Mariah is beautiful,sexy,graceful,intelligent,respectable,generous,popular and talentuous.She sold more records than any female artist on earth.She’s also the most talentuous female singer,the most influential female artist ever,the greatest female artist of all times.combine all assets much better than Ugline Dion and Whoredonna.She have by far the most beautiful and skilful voice ever ! Haters,go and fu** your ugly,wrinkled and talentless idols ugline Dion and slutdonna.But you must respect the ultimate singer ,the greatest female artist of all times: Mariah Carey THE BEST SELLING FEMALE ARTIST OF ALL TIMES !
    About the new Christmas album,no matter if it sold bad as Mariah already made her proof with her first Christmas album which is the best selling Christmas album of all times by female artist;including her all time classic Hit All I Want For Christmas Is You which is the most popular Christmas Single ever and the best selling one.With her new Christmas album,Mariah show to haters like you that she stay at 40 the ultimate vocalist .Chin Dion is successful live because she’s not nervous on stage unlike Mariah Carey ,not because her voice is better ! She’s far from it ! If Celine got a beautiful voice why she can’t show it in any of her songs ? Celine isn’t an artist.She just recycle past hits and songs from other artists.Besides,she just perform.Her music lacks personality.Celine is a clown,a very moron artist.

    Mariah is the queen of music,Ugline Dion is the queen of fake and falsified figure sales ,Madonna is the queen of prostitution.That’s the way it is ,we can’t change that !

  41. FoR mOOriAH /sH**ney FanS says:

    Hey ! I missed you so much ! hehehe !! But ok…look who’s talking about different nicknames !!

    Mariah best selling ? ha ha ah

    I wanna see your expression when you open the Guinness Book of Records naming Madonna as the best selling female artist ever ! (2010 version)

    Yeah ! Teom sold more than A new day has come because Teom was number 1 in Us and A New day has come number in Us and uhmmm….oh yeah ! 20 countries around the globe ! ehehheheh

    Celine dion -> Highest earning musician of the 00’s (albums & tours)

    Momo -> not in any list :( sobsss……….

    Speak with facts biiitch !

    Daydream is not even in the top 20 best selling albums ! hehee !!

    Let’s Talk about love and Falling into you have a place in the top 20 !!

  42. FoR mOOriAH /sH**ney FanS says:

    Lucianno Pavarotti , Andrea Bocelli , Josh Groban , Barbra Streisand , Peobo Bryson , Michael Bolton , Michael Jackson , Garou , Jean-Jacques Goldman , Sir George Martin , Bee Gees , Diane Warren , Lara Fabian , Walter Afanasief (Momo’s collaborator) , Bryan Adams (to mention a few) —> Have great respect for celine’s nasal voice ! their opinion counts more than yours.sorry :-)

    You couldn’t even make a full comment with facts despite the FACT that you keep trolling with your LIES popdirt debates ! U hate Madonna and Celine ! why ? because they killed momo in sales !! because they tour and sell tickets !! & DVDs ! because they have stayed at number 1 since their debuts (1981 / 1983) while pIGriah FAILS in the second decade of her career being totally irrelevant to mainstream or adult contemporary ! so irrelevant that her label won’t even give worldwide release to her xmas crap ! ouch !! At least Madonna and Celine were never dropped to that level… :D

    Uuuurhhh….god knows how I missed ur angry , biased , false comments ! love you forever <3 :D

    PS I See you only comment against me and say nothing to Latonya that keeps calling Mariah whoriah etc etc ...

  43. TRISH @ Ugline Oldion & Whoredonna fans says:

    -> SUCCESS BATTLE BETWEEN MARIAH CAREY / OLDONNA

    Glitter -> 5m /Lead single : best selling single of the year
    Music -> 10 m / Number 1 In 23 micro Countries
    02.
    Charmbracelet -> 6m
    American Life -> 2m -> Flop
    03.
    The Emancipation Of Mimi -> 16m since 2005 / World Best selling album of 2005-2006
    Confessions On A Dance Floor -> 10m since 2005 / Number 1 In 23 insignificant Countries
    04.
    We Belong Together -> Best selling single of 2005-2006
    Hung Up -> Number 1 In 45 insignificant music markets, with low global sales
    05.
    E=MC 2 -> 4m copies since 2008
    Hard Candy -> 3m copies since 2008

    Touch My Body / Obsessed -> Usa Hits ( the world largest music market )
    4 Minutes -> Number 1 In 21 insignificant Countries !
    06.
    Memoirs Of An Imperfect Angel -> 2 m copies
    Celebration -> lower than 2m copies
    09.
    As Of 2010
    Mariah’s Xmas Album was released In America Album already Sold 55.000 In Opening Week ! 35.000 In The
    Second Week !
    Although SHE ALREADY OWNS THE BEST SELLING CHRISTMAS ALBUM OF ALL TIMES BY A FEMALE ARTIST WITH HER 1994 MERRY CHRISTMAS ALBUM’S !
    Besides,Mariah was featured by GUINNESS BOOK OF WORLD RECORDS for her sales since 1996.In the 2000’s,she featured Guinness world Records for her unique voice ! Today,EVERY comprehensive stats say that Mariah Carey is THE BEST SELLING FEMALE RECORDING ARTIST OF ALL TIMES ! Independent and impartial data providers /compilers state so,even haters & fans of other artists say so .

  44. TRISH @ Ugline Oldion & Whoredonna fans says:

    First of all,the topic of this forum discuss about whom artist among Ugline Oldion and Mariah Carey is better ( in everything ),not only in sales !So,the title of this forum is not whom is the best selling artist among Ugline Oldion and Mariah Carey ( even though Mariah Carey sold much more records than Wrinkline Oldion ) but whom is better in everything combined.
    Second : Mariah Carey beats Wrinkline Oldion and Whoredonna in everything. This Camel and this Vulture can’t compete with the ultimate diva !

    SUCCESS BATTLE BETWEEN UGLINE AND MARIAH
    01.Their Best Sellers
    Sales in all Europe and Canada combined doesn’t worth even 30 % of sales in USA alone .I even don’t talk about sales in Japan ( the second largest music market of the world ).So the most important is not the amount of countries in which albums were # 1 ,neither the amount of various platinum certifications combined, cause platinum certification in 25 European countries + platinum certification in Canada and other countries combined may worth just one platinum certification in USA ! You see the GREAT difference ??? That’s why all Mariah’s albums sold more than any Sh**line Oldion’s album !
    The Emancipation of Mimi -> 16m Copies worldwide,including 7m in USA alone. Plus 2 Number 1 Billboard Hot 100 Hits + Number 1 Selling album of 2005-2006
    A New Day Has Come -> Number 1 In 25 insignificant countries/micro states > 9 m Copies worldwide,including 2 m in USA alone. Zero Number 1 Billboard Hot 100 Hit + 19th Best Selling Album Of 2002 ????
    02.Followed By
    Charmbracelet -> / 7m Copies worldwide
    One Heart -> Number 1 In 9 small/insignificant Countries / 2.5m Copies worldwide > FLOP
    03.Recent Releases
    E=MC2 -> Number 1 In Us / 4.5m Copies worldwide
    Taking Chances -> Number 1 In 6 micro/insignificant Countries (Included Monaco Chart /Quebec) / 1.5 m Copies worldwide> FLOP
    04.Recent Compilations
    Ballads -> 3m worldwide
    My Love -> 0.1m / Number 1 In 4 micro Countries / Top 10 In 19 micro musical markets (Ouch) >FLOP
    05.Their Lowest Selling Albums
    Memoirs Of An Imperfect -> 3m worldwide
    Miracle (Baby Theme Album With Recycled Songs) -> Number 1 In 3 micro markets / Top 10 In 8 micro Countries / 1m worldwide > FLOP
    06.All The Way Vs Rainbow (Since They Both Sold More Of Their Copies In The 00’s,Because were released In November 1999)
    Rainbow (Studio Album) -> Number 1 In 2 large MARKETS / Top 10 In 14 significant Countries 15 m Worldwide
    All The Way (Compilation) -> Number 1 In 20 small Countries (Included Monaco & Luxembourg & Greece & Quebec & Lettonia &Switzerland &Liechtenstein & Malte ) / 16 m worldwide
    07.Their Big Selling Compilations
    Number 1’s -> / 21m Copies Worldwide, Included 4 m in Japan alone.
    08.Their Xmas Albums
    Merry Christmas -> 18 m worldwide (The all times Best Selling Christmas Album By A Female Artist)
    These Are Special Times -> 9 m worldwide (Number In 4 insignificant Countries and Holiday Albums In Us / Top 10 In 13 micro Countries).Any popular Christmas song,any Christmas hit !
    09.Falling Into You Vs Music Box (Best Sellers)
    Music Box -> Number 1 In 18 Countries (10P In Us / 7P In Europe / 3 Million In Japan / 9P In Canada / 14P In Australia) -> 24m Certified Sales In These Markets
    Falling Into You -> Number 1 In 15 Countries (10P In Us / 8 P Europe / 400.000 In Japan / million In Canada / 9P In Australia) -> 19m Certified Sales In These Markets
    10.Let’s Talk About Love Vs Daydream (Second Best Sellers)
    Daydream -> Number 1 In at least 13 large/significant Countries (11P In Us / 5P In Europe / 2.5 million In Japan / 6P In Canada / 8P In Australia) -> 20m Certified Sales At These Markets
    Let’s Talk About Love -> Number 1 in 20 Countries the most (10P In Us / 10P In Europe / 800.000 In Japan / 1m In Canada / 6P In Australia) -> 18m Certified Sales At These Markets

  45. TRISH @ Ugline Oldion says:

    Mariah Carey got many others records that Ugline Oldion had’nt.Read it:
    Mariah Carey PROFESSIONAL SKILLS : Singer,Songwriter,Fashion Model,Actress ,Record-producer,Composer,Entrepreneur.
    MUSICAL GENRES : Pop,R&B ,Dance,Rap,Raggae,Disco,Ballads,Gospel, Jazz, Soul,Techno, Country,Blues,Rock,House

    Comparatively,Sh**line Oldion is illiterate and isn’t able to even read and write ( she tours since the age of 12 and dropped out school too early )!

    Mariah leave Columbia voluntary at the end of 1990 decade,cause she’s an artist,not just a lucrative robot manufactured by Mottola , songwriters and producers to bring back money.Mariah was the number 1 artist of Columbia/Sony ,Ugline Oldion was always ranked behind her .Moreover,Celine was accepted in Sony Label thanks to Mariah’s manager and then-husband Tommy Mottola.Mariah divorced to Mottola for being free to sing every musical genre that she feel inspired to,like Hip Hop,R&B etc…cause she’s a true artist ! Mariah is an artist,not just a vulgar recycled-songs performer like Sh**line Oldion.Mariah had sing not to pleasure her Label nor her manager,neither just for collecting money .She sang to share her feelings and her artistic genius with people,through her incredible vocal and musical talent .Wrinkline Oldion sing just for money . 50 % of her songs are recycled songs from other’s artists .The 50 % remainder is created exclusively by producers and composers . Wrinkline Oldion do nothing at all in her own music ! All that she do is belting ugly and graceless belts,just like a rooster ! Sh**line choose to stay a robot,a lucrative object unlike Mariah.Besides, Ugline wouldn’t disobey her label and leave it voluntarily as she’s illiterate and can’t even take part in anything about her own music.Without songwriters and producers ,Ugline would work as domestic ( she’s too ugly to being a lucrative whore ). Cameline’s Label Announced during her break that Cameline was BY FAR the most important member of the team since Mariah Carey leave this label.Besides,it’s normal that Sh**line is more important than M Jackson…. after his death hahaha! She’s so nil that people compare her with a corpse ! Ha ha ha ! When both were in the same label, Mariah Carey was BY FAR the most important member of the team.So can we compare this illiterate,graceless and ugly rooster with a skillfull and talentuous genius songstress as such Mariah Carey ? Obviously no.
    Mariah Carey is the Queen of Music OVERALL and THE GREATEST FEMALE ARTIST OF ALL TIMES ! Mimi is followed by Whitney,Aretha,Patti,Barbra,Billie,Tina,Judy,Toni,Donna,Mary.J,Leona,Beyonce,Christina,Jessica,Kelly,Susan,Miley,Gaga, …All other female artists…then Whoredonna…. then Ugline Oldion at last…
    TRUE FACT !
    When God gave Talent,Voice,Musical creativity skills,Mariah Carey was the FIRST in line ! …

  46. Latonya says:

    @ FoR mOOriAH FanS/Unison/My Love/Lucky Luke/CelineDionFan7/Emil

    chu hav been easily MEGAowned! Pick dat face up hun! I just took a massive dump on yor face! Its SO ugly now it rivals FUGLYCHINline LIPSYNCHIOn’s. LMDAO!!!!!!!

    Case in point: you FELL BACK and refused to prove me wrong. Why? Becayse you KANT! LMDAO!!!!!

    @ Trish

    Shut da fuqk up chu DUMB bitch! FATriah is NOWHERE near da biggest selling female ARTIST EVAR: MRS ELizabeth Whitney Houston. You been saying bulshyyt.

    MRS WHITNEY’S latest SMASH album:

    I LOOK TO YOU sold 12 millionz.

    which EASILY outsells MERRY XMAS 2 U, Memoirs of a CONSTIPATED angel, E=MC combined.

    MRS WHITNEYS voice PREVAILS EASILY ova FUGLINEs, FATriahs (and of coarse) WHOREdonnas easily.

    Case in point: MRS WHITNEYS tear jerking, stupendous I DIDNT KNOW MY OWN STRENGTH performance at Oprah Winfrey show. MRS Oprah was CRYING!!!!! DO YOU REALIZE HOW MAGNIFICENT MRS WHITNEYS PERFORMANCE WAS? Mrs Oprah was ACTUALLLY crying like hell! THE VOICE delivered.

    YOU HAV been OWNED TO FUQQ huns. Pick dis faces up. MRS WHITNEYS achievements just shytted on FATriah & FUGlines irrelevant achivements COMBINED.

    LMDAO!!!

  47. FoR mOOriAH /sH**ney FanS says:

    @ TRISH !

    Charmbracelet 6m ? glitter 5m ? while they are only certified platinum in us ? hehehehehehe

    O Come Guys ! you just ruined the page !

    @ Lantonya : I look to you sold 12 m ? hehehhe !!

    Ok you are CRAZY ! all of you ! :-D

  48. FoR mOOriAH /sH**ney FanS says:

    Taking Chances was platinum in Europe (1m) and Us (1m) -> 2m ! But yeah ! it sold 1.5 !! hehehehee

    Thanx ! Both Amazing ! <3

  49. FoR mOOriAH /sH**ney FanS says:

    TRISH don’t be upset but it takes 1m copies to get a platinum certification in Us and 1m copies to get a platinum certification in Europe ! so Us = Europe ! I hope you don’t read this fast,just to avoid a heart-attack :S

    Love you <3

  50. FoR mOOriAH /sH**ney FanS says:

    @ Latonya

    You just insulted Momo’s number 1 Daydreamer Lamb !

    My favorite TRISH will take you down…hehehe

    U Ghetto rat have not Idea where you put yourself at !! you got some nerve calling Momo FATriah saying she is behind your crap idol when

    EVERYONE KNOWS Momo OUTSOLD Whitney in albums and singles !!

    TRISH is about to kick ur fu**in ass with 3 or 4 huge screaming posts,I assume :)

  51. Trish @ Ugline Oldion& Whoredonna's fans says:

    What ? Whoredonna best selling female artist ( in the Guinness Book of Records) ??? Since when ?? This is not Ugline Dion no more ? Ha ha ha ! really funny ! Your claims are so incoherents ( it’s normal as they are lies )!
    Yeah! TEOM sold much more than ANDHC because TEOM sold 7 m just in USA ( not mention sales in all other countries ) while ANDHC sold just 2 or 3 m in USA ! ANDHC totalized 3 m sales the most in the 20 countries combined ,in which it was number one ! So,its sales in USA + 20 other countries combined doesn’t even equal TEOM’s sales in USA only ! So ,you see that being number 1 in 10 or 20 countries with weak sales is not significant next to another one whom is number 1 in one or 2 countries with very huge sales that reach close to 3 times the sales in the 20 countries !
    Therefore,the most important is the amount of sales combined,not the amount of countries in which the album was number one ,nor the amount of various certifications from various countries !Now, do you understand why all Mariah’s albums sold more than Ugline Oldion’s ?

    About the fact that I say nothing against Whitney Houston’s fans, it’s none of your business ! Did I asked you why you pandered to Celine’s fans while you’re a Madonna fan ? At last,Whitney’s fans attack Mariah directly without insult me personnally.Anyway,I’ll comment against them only when I’ll feel like doing so,just mind your own business and keeps on suck Ugline’s Oldion and Fu**-Me-donna’s dirty asses .

  52. Trish @ Ugline Oldion& Whoredonna's fans says:

    All the artists you mentioned express sympathy for Ugline’s ugly,clumsy,graceless and nasal voice only because they collaborated with her in her trashes ! They are obliged to being subjective towards Cameline Oldion and express respect for her graceless rooster’s voice. Mariah Carey got much more artists whom have great and true respect for her unique beautiful and skilful voice,but also for her true talent and artistic genius ( not because they would collaborate with her in her masterpieces ).

    You couldn’t even make a full comment with objective facts ! U hate Mariah Carey ! why ? because she killed your wrinkled-face and talentless idols Ugline Oldion and Whoredonna in Voice,Talent,Influence,Achievements and Sales !! Because she rules in
    music by her achievements ,her influence and her innumerable musical contributions !! because she have stayed at number 1 since her debuts (1990) while Oldline and Blow-jobdonna FAILS in the second decade of her career being totally irrelevant artistically ! so irrelevant that they have any contribution to music !! They just collect money,nothing else ( while Mariah is the true Artist,the Female artist of all times ) ! At least Mariah stay the ultimate vocalist and the best Singer ever ! :D

    -> SUCCESS BATTLE BETWEEN MARIAH CAREY / OLDONNA
    01.
    Glitter -> 5m /Lead single : best selling single of the year
    Music -> 10 m / Number 1 In 23 micro Countries
    02.
    Charmbracelet -> 6m
    American Life -> 2m -> Flop
    03.
    The Emancipation Of Mimi -> 16m since 2005 / World Best selling album of 2005-2006
    Confessions On A Dance Floor -> 10m since 2005 / Number 1 In 23 insignificant Countries
    04.
    We Belong Together -> Best selling single of 2005-2006
    Hung Up -> Number 1 In 45 insignificant music markets, with low global sales
    05.
    E=MC 2 -> 4m copies since 2008
    Hard Candy -> 3m copies since 2008

    Touch My Body / Obsessed -> Usa Hits ( the world largest music market )
    4 Minutes -> Number 1 In 21 insignificant Countries !
    06.
    Memoirs Of An Imperfect Angel -> 2 m copies
    Celebration -> lower than 2m copies
    09.
    As Of 2010
    Mariah’s Xmas Album was released In America Album already Sold 55.000 In Opening Week ! 35.000 In The
    Second Week !
    Although SHE ALREADY OWNS THE BEST SELLING CHRISTMAS ALBUM OF ALL TIMES BY A FEMALE ARTIST WITH HER 1994 MERRY CHRISTMAS ALBUM’S !
    Besides,Mariah was featured by GUINNESS BOOK OF WORLD RECORDS for her sales since 1996.In the 2000’s,she featured Guinness world Records for her unique voice ! Today,EVERY comprehensive stats say that Mariah Carey is THE BEST SELLING FEMALE RECORDING ARTIST OF ALL TIMES ! Independent and impartial data providers /compilers state so,even haters & fans of other artists say so .

  53. Trish @ Ugline Oldion& Whoredonna's fans says:

    What ? Whoredonna best selling female artist ( in the Guinness Book of Records) ??? Since when ?? This is not Ugline Dion no more ? Ha ha ha ! really funny ! Your claims are so incoherents ( it’s normal as they are lies )!
    Yeah! TEOM sold much more than ANDHC because TEOM sold 7 m just in USA ( not mention sales in all other countries ) while ANDHC sold just 2 or 3 m in USA ! ANDHC totalized 3 m sales the most in the 20 countries combined ,in which it was number one ! So,its sales in USA + 20 other countries combined doesn’t even equal TEOM’s sales in USA only ! So ,you see that being number 1 in 10 or 20 countries with weak sales is not significant next to another one whom is number 1 in one or 2 countries with very huge sales that reach close to 3 times the sales in the 20 countries !
    Therefore,the most important is the amount of sales combined,not the amount of countries in which the album was number one ,nor the amount of various certifications from various countries !Now, do you understand why all Mariah’s albums sold more than Ugline Oldion’s ?

  54. FoR mOOriAH /sH**ney FanS says:

    Sth more I wanna add…u say A New Day Has Come reached number 1 in micro countries !!

    Ok so US , Canada , Australia , UK , Germany , France are Microcountries ? :D

  55. FoR mOOriAH /sh**ney FanS says:

    All you sales are biased and false.end of story. :)

  56. FoR mOOriAH /sH**ney FanS says:

    Guiness Book Of Records (2010) -> Madonna best selling.

    Diamond / Legend / Nielsen Soundscan -> Celine best selling.

    Latonya called you bitch ! LOL I say I love you sweety :)

    Celine’s Albums are huge worldwide while Momo sells only in Us and Japan.

    All your weapons are LIES ! You come here to play the game ”let’s inflate Momo’s sales”…

    This is why her label doesn’t release worldwide her xmas crap !

    Last time Momo was awarded was in 2003 ! ha ha ha ! and of course in the 90’s !!zzzzzzzzzzzz

  57. FoR mOOriAH /sh**tney FanS says:

    We get it ! all the countries Madonna and Celine hit number 1 are insignificant !! hehehehe !!

    too bad Momo can’t reach number 1 in OR EEVEN TOP 10 in these ”insignificant” markets…

    Celine’s and Madonna;s albums always reach top 5 in Us & in the ”micro”-countries !

    This is why Momo’s albums -> Glitter / charmbacelet etc were only ONLY ONLY Certified PLATINUM in Us ! all the others are crap only you post :P

  58. FoR mOOriAH /sH**ney FanS says:

    TEOM 16 M ? you used to say it sold 13m !! what happened my love ? it sold 3m copies in the last 3 months ? hehehe

    I really don’t know why I talk with you ! you didn’t even know

    that Europe = USA based on certifications.

    If ur ignorance could only kill u’d be dead !

    Mariah is not only irrelvant for fans (nobody goes to her tours or demands her) , not only to her label (since they cancelled a remix album after her flops and then in 2010 they don’t trust her with her new crap) but she is also irrelevant to mainstream music since she can’t even sell in Us !!! Touch my body / Obsessed were the only successful singles from her latest albums !! lol !

    See her Chart Perfomance In Us Singles : (Her STRONG market)

    I stay in love -> FLOP iN uS !

    i wANT TO KNOW WHAT LOVE IS -> NUMBER 60 / FLOP
    (we talk about us so don’t start writing sh** about Brazil to support a dead single in us,like you do with glitter charting well in japan)

    i’ll be lovin you long time -> Number 57 / FLOP

    bye bye -> flop

    Hateu -> did not charted in hot 100

    up out my face -> peak position 100

    ANGELS CRY -> did not charted in hot 100

    100 percent -> did not charted in hot 100

    my love -> # 80 in hot 100

    yeah she had hits in the past but as you see her songs are released to mainstream radios & video clips (so money are wasted) -> therefore her label stopped puttng money on her sh**.

    Celine’s last hit was in 2000 in hot 100 but thank god her songs are sent to adult contemporary radios with usually no video clips.Besides, as you say Celine’s strong market is not Us ! it is Mariah’s !!

    so what does Mariah do in us the last decade ? she flops !

    Number of singles that FAILED iN uS Despite the great promo :

    never too far,

    don’t stop funking

    last night a DJ saved my life

    through the rain

    boy I need u,

    bringing on the heartbreak,

    say something,

    fly like a bird

    i stay in love,

    bye bye,

    i will be lovin you long time,

    hateu,

    angels cry,

    up out my face,

    100percent

    her albums as were officially certified BY RIAA (And not my mind)

    Rainbow -> 3 PLATINUM

    Glitter -> PLATINUM

    Charmbrcelet -> PLATINUM

    TEOM -> 6 PLATINUM

    E=MC2 -> PLATINUM

    MEMOIRS -> GOLD

    GREATEST HITS -> PLATINUM

    BALLADS / PLAYLIST / REMIXIES -> NOT CERTIFIED

    —-> HER TOTAL SALES -> 13m the MOST !

    Celine In Us

    All the way -> 7 Platinum

    Collectors series -> Gold

    A New Day Has Come -> 3 Platinum

    One Heart -> 2 Platinum

    Miracle -> Platinum

    A New Day.. -> Gold

    Taking Chances -> Platinum

    My Love -> Not Certified

    At least 15m albums !

    PROVED BY Billboard !!

    Fu** my messages !!

    go and GOOGLE (Easiest thing) B I L L B O A R D !!

    And then open the Guinness book of records to see Madonna’s name in there !! lmao

    I know it is hard…sorry/// but you have to live with it TRISH..

    :)

  59. Trish says:

    @ Chris/Lucky luke/Unison/Mooriah Scarey fans/etc…

    Please,stop posting your delusinal posts here ! A New Day… is a moderate selling album beside TEOM in the countries you mentioned .You know it very well damned liar! TEOM is ranked among the best albums of the 2000 decade,one of the most popular albums in the 2000’s and also one of the most successful ones unlike ANDHC.ANDHC wasn’t even the best selling album of 2002-2003 .Maybe ,the show A New Day… was popular in Las Vegas,but the trash album ANDHC wasn’t as popular as TEOM worldwide.Besides,tell me how many singles Hits this crappy album got in Europe , USA, Australia, Asia,etc…? How it could be as popular as TEOM when it got any hits ? All your sales are biased ,falsified.They come from your nasal imagination,as your brain lies in your nose,in the same way that Wrinkline Oldion’s voice come from her nose.Hahaha!
    Guiness Worlds Records/Legend Award/Millenium Award/Chopard Diamond Award already named Mariah best selling female artist .
    Ugline’s Albums sells only in Quebec and Monaco while Mariah’s are huge worldwide!
    You use only lies and insults as weapons! You come here to play the game “let’s give exaggerated increasing sales to Ugline Oldion and irrelevant achievements to her for try to make her as huge as Mariah”. That’s so pathetic !
    First time Ugline won a major award was only since 2004 ( unfortunately, it was irrelevant ) ! Hahaha! Almost any award at all in 90’s .Just so many subjective citations and local so-called awards! Hahaha!
    The sales Mariah reach in just US and Japan ,blow away all sales Ugline and Whoredonna reach in every continents combined ! That’s why Celine’s and Whoredonna’s Unison/Celine Dion/Miracle/Taking Chances/ American Life/ Hard Can-dick /You Can dance/Erotica/Celebration are all flops cause they are certified in many micro-states in which Platinum certification worth just 10 000 or 20 000 sales .So the sales in all these countries combined surpass rarely 500 000 sales ( a Gold certification in USA ) .
    TRISH
    The Whole Europe Platinum certification=US Platinum certification.However,you talked about certifications in 20 European countries or more,not certification for whole Europe ! Furthermore,about ANDHC,1-2 million sales for whole Europe + 3 million for USA = 4-5 million in total.You see that TEOM’s sales in USA alone surpass ANDHC’s in whole Europe and USA combined ! So how it could ever sell as much as TEOM ?
    You talked about Mariah’s Singles flop? What can you say about Ugline’s ??? Mariah sold more than three times the amount of singles sold by Celine worldwide. Besides,let me remind you that Mariah is the best selling singles female artist ever!
    Mariah’s sales in US this decade surpass 16 million while Ugline’s doesn’t even reach 15 million.See ? So, Celine stay the nose,the rooster,the talentless and ugly granny,while Mariah stay Mariah,The Ultimate Voice,The Songbird Supreme,The Queen of R&B,The Best Selling Female Artist Of All Times and The Greatest Singer EVER! THE QUEEN OF MUSIC !!!

  60. TRISH says:

    @ LATONYA. Dear bitch : your posts nauseates me so, that I didn’t want to read them ,but now I finally made a great effort to read your sh**s as you insult ME and Mariah,the greatest female artist of all times and the Queen of music !
    You are really fool,otherwise you would never say that Whitney surpass Mariah in anything.How do you dare insult Mariah and call her Fatriah Cowrey? Is this because she’s not a drugged skeleton like Sh**ney ? About voice, Whitney was THE VOICE only before Mariah Carey started her musical career.Mariah is the ultimate voice since her debut in 1990 till today ! It’s just hilarious and ridicule for you to say that Whitney is still today the Voice,while everyone worldwide talk about Mariah’s voice as the number one voice ever ! About sales,Mariah surpassed your drugged idol since long ago, Whitney can’t compete with Mariah on success. You’d better see a doctor cause you’re a mentally deficient ,just try to see life out of your miserable drug world. Why do you talk about Mary J Blige here ? This is not a forum about local/ephemeral sensations,but a forum about all-times musical legends and world musical icons. Mary J Blige is even not an international artist.She’s just a local star and is popular only in USA. How can you compare her with musical giant like Mariah ? Mariah is in the league of greatest icons as such Beatles,M Jackson and Elvis Presley.Since when you had read an info about these singers ? Whitney ruined her voice since long ago.Her musical career is over.Now she’s not more than a pityfull drugged skeleton.

  61. TRISH says:

    How do you dare insult Mariah and lambs,dirty bitch ?? Stealing slut ! illiterate bitch ! Drugged whore! You’d better mind your pitiful life in prostitution and your multiple abortions! How a person like you could deal with great questions /debates like Female Artist of All Times ,Best Selling Female Artist Of All times ,Musical Talent,Artistic Achievements,etc …? That’s obviously too complex and too “class “ for a pea-brained slut like you ! You’re even not able to write correctly ! don’t you ashamed ?? What the fu** you doing here ? Why don’t you come back in the street and continue your shameful occupation ? Your writing style make me feel sick ,you’re surely an escaped prisoner or an escaped maniac from a psychiatric hospital! Latonya,don’t even mention Mariah Carey name anymore when you’ll post your next crazy bulls**t here,ok? Otherwise, you’ll be sorry for that,believe me! Anyway,your place is not in here,so move bitch ! Move !

  62. TRISH says:

    @ Chris/Lucky luke/Unison/Mooriah Scarey fans/etc…
    A New Day… is a total FLOP beside the sales of TEOM in the countries you mentioned .You know it very well damned liar! TEOM is ranked among the best albums of the 2000 decade,one of the most popular albums in the 2000’s and also one of the most successful ones unlike ANDHC.ANDHC wasn’t even the best selling album of 2002-2003 .Maybe ,the show A New Day… was popular in Las Vegas,but the trash album ANDHC wasn’t as popular as TEOM worldwide.Besides,tell me how many singles Hits this crappy album got in Europe , USA, Australia, Asia,etc…? How it could be as popular as TEOM when it got any hits ? All your sales are biased ,falsified.They come from your nasal imagination,as your brain lies in your nose,in the same way that Wrinkline Oldion’s voice come from her nose.Hahaha!
    Guiness Worlds Records/Legend Award/Millenium Award/Chopard Diamond Award already named Mariah best selling female artist .
    Ugline’s Albums sells only in Quebec and Monaco while Mariah’s are huge worldwide!
    You use only lies and insults as weapons! You come here to play the game “let’s give exaggerated increasing sales to Ugline Oldion and irrelevant achievements to her for try to make her as huge as Mariah”. That’s so pathetic !
    First time Ugline won a major award was only since 2004 ( unfortunately, it was irrelevant ) ! Hahaha! Almost any award at all in 90’s .Just so many subjective citations and local so-called awards! Hahaha!
    The sales Mariah reach in just US and Japan ,blow away all sales Ugline and Whoredonna reach in every continents combined ! That’s why Celine’s and Whoredonna’s Unison/Celine Dion/Miracle/Taking Chances/ American Life/ Hard Can-dick /You Can dance/Erotica/Celebration are all flops cause they are certified in many micro-states in which Platinum certification worth just 10 000 or 20 000 sales .So the sales in all these countries combined surpass rarely 500 000 sales ( a Gold certification in USA ) .
    TRISH
    The Whole Europe Platinum certification=US Platinum certification.However,you talked about certifications in 20 European countries or more,not certification for whole Europe ! Furthermore,about ANDHC,1-2 million sales for whole Europe + 3 million for USA = 4-5 million in total.You see that TEOM’s sales in USA alone surpass ANDHC’s in whole Europe and USA combined ! So how it could ever sell as much as TEOM ?
    You talked about Mariah’s Singles flop? What can you say about Ugline’s ??? Mariah sold more than three times the amount of singles sold by Celine worldwide. Besides,let me remind you that Mariah is the best selling singles female artist ever!
    Mariah’s sales in US this decade surpass 16 million while Ugline’s doesn’t even reach 15 million.See ? So, Celine stay the nose,the rooster,the talentless and ugly granny,while Mariah stay Mariah,The Ultimate Voice,The Songbird Supreme,The Queen of R&B,The Best Selling Female Artist Of All Times and The Greatest Singer EVER! THE QUEEN OF MUSIC !!!

  63. Lucky Luke / My Love / Unison / For Mooriah Fans says:

    @ TRISH

    This is my Final Post. I Won’t even come back to see the answer you will post.

    You are the saddest liar / ignorant I ever met in my life.I Was so angry

    by your lies and the fact that you obviously enterned this debate

    (as well as the Mariah Vs Madonna Debate) with different nicknames

    (Stacy,Howard,Jeffrie,Songbird Supreme/The Objective One/Francois)

    that I decided to hit back at you that same way.Therefore After I

    first entered here with the Nickname ”Lucky Luke” only thing I wanted

    was writing down my opinion about Celine and Mariah without insulting anyone.

    BUT You answered insulting me (liar / creep) saying my comments made you uspet !

    Really TRISH ? Anyone’s comments saying Celine is ahead of MC can really upset you ?

    You should really lead a pathetic life if you get upset by insignificant issues like this.

    So after This Irrational reaction I decided to play the ”irrational” card myself. So

    ”Lucky Luke” dissapeared and ”My Love” ,”Unison” ,

    ”For Mooriah Fans” followed.For The Record I Am not Chris and My

    real opinion about Celine/Mariah and their sales is what I wrote

    as ”Lucky Luke”.So I have great respect for both of them.

    The insults ”Pigriah” , ”Whoriah” etc were writen just

    to piss you off,sth I D e f I n I t e l y managed to do. :-D

    All in all you had to deal with

    01.My Love -> A Logic/Poite Fan

    02.Unison -> A Celine Stan With Many Facts/Links/Solid Proof

    03.For Mooriah Fans -> YOUR ALTER EGO / A Person that talked just like you,insulting Mariah (like you do with Celine) / Only difference is that he actually used Unison’s facts

    while you are here,wasting your life and time writing your OPINION,Inflating sales !

    Of course my game made you mad and therefore you came back all the time insulting Celine and me with

    the worst vocabulary anyone could use -> ” Bitch / crap / shut up / motherfu**er / your mother’s ass / fu** you / idiot / a-hole”

    And you call yourself a GIRL After this ? What kind of a man will be interested in a psycho-girl like you ?

    As I Told You I Am A Huge Celine And Mariah Fan (I Also Like Madonna) so I Happen To Know E v e r y t h I n g about their Sales !

    I search a lot,I get my info from solid sources such as IFPI,RIAA,Billboard and some magazines such as Forbes / LA Times to mention a few.

    You still haven’t answered to ANYONE (not even a Madonna fan in the other debate) where you find your so-called ”Facts”.

    Since this is the way you want to play this game…ok…I accept it.

    Your only weapons in the debate were OLD awards Mariah got & inflating her sales like a child.

    Do you think we are a team of morons to believe TEOM sold 16m ? MTV Live 10m ? Daydream 27m ? Charmbracelet 7m ?

    How do you dare being such a liar ? you have 0 knowledge on sales !

    Proof ? you said that sales in Canada and Europe combined are 30 percent the sales in Us ! M I S T A K E !!!

    Europe equals Us In Terms of sales and this is proved from the certifications level !!

    Of course you could prove NOTHING of the sales you keep posting !!

    A New Day Has Come sold 1 or 2 million in Europe ? Aren’t you ASHAMED to say so when IFPI Certified it 3 times Platinum for 3m copies sold ?

    Europe is a huge market an both Madonna and Celine RULE there. Mariah hasn’t even sold 25m albums there,while Celine’s album sales are over 55m.

    (Check IFPI Bitch and then start crying over Mimi’s albums – pathetic freak )

    Plus None of us can know the ridiculous imaginary certifications you posted about China and other Asian markets,except for Japan !! LIAR !

    Finally beased on certification levels Germany and UK (European Markets) are BIGGER that Japan ! Japan = France.

    So stop writing bullsh** that Mariah’s Sales In Us and Japan suprass Celine’s sales in Us,Canada,Europe etc.

    Mariah sold more records than Celine In Asia And Us !! All the other things you say are crap you can’t prove (sales in Pacific Ocean etc lmao)

    Europe / Australia / Africa / South America / Canada belong to Celine with HUGE Differences. Deal With It !

    Sorry TRISH ! I am a Mariah Fan and I Happen to own ALL HER ALBUMS & Know her REAL Sales ! and GUESS WHAT !!

    RIAA / BILLBOARD / Her Label / People in Media / IFPI / Awards All Agree with ME !!! Not YOU !

    Fact is that nobody suprassed Celine and Mariah since their worldwide debuts back in 1990. Nielsen sounscan era began in 1991 !

    Since,they are by far the best selling female artists worldwide.Madonna is in the same league of course but takes credit due to

    her 80’s sales when Mariah and Celine were WORLWIDE not active/uknown.

    Between Celine and Mariah,Mariah was definitely ahead DURING the 90’s.This is why the industry kept on awarding Mariah for

    her GLOBAL sales and Achivements.(Artist of the millenium,world music awards etc.)

    After their 1999 / 2002 / 2003 releases the title went to Celine.(I Am not saying this but the awards she got)

    She won a Diamond Award you keep calling irrelevant like a desperate child.Her label announced sales of 200m ALBUMS in 2007.Then she got Legend award you call irrelevant as well.

    Then everyone in the Media call Celine ”the best selling female artist”,while NONE of them gave this title to Mariah.

    And of course won French distinctions because she is by far the best selling French artist.

    And finally was proven she was the highest earning musician (Albums & Tours) of the decade.(Forbes Magazine)

    And that she sold more albums than Mariah,even in Us this decade. (Billboard,RIAA Certifications)

    And that she was by far the highest grossing solo touring act !! (LA Times,Billboard)

    You know what TRISH ? There are just so many fu**ing awards in such a short period (all proving her status as the number 1 female selling artist) that I Cannot say they are

    irrelevant or wrong.When Mariah took these awards I trusted them ! Why should I change this now ? because they award someone else ?

    How can I question Larry King / Oprah / David Letterman / Ellen when they all call Celine the number 1 female selling artist ? ALL Of them !!

    When they talk about sales they can’t have an ”opinion”,because sales are solid objective (not subjective) facts.

    In 2010 Celine Released two smash selling Dvds and has already a sold out tour waiting for her,while I am really concerned about Mariah’s future in the business.

    In 00’s Albums Like Glitter / Charmbracelet / E=MC 2 / Memoirs of An Imperfect Angel / The Ballads / Playlist / The Remixies / Love Songs sold really low !

    I Hope this will change soon.

    However,I still can’t believe how ISLAND DEF JAM Supports mainstream-no voice ”singers” like Rihanna and ignores Mimi’s Xmas Album that

    has some huge vocal perfomances in it. (One Child , Adeste Fideles etc) !! Who would believe they would only sent 250.000 copies outside Us ? :S

    Anyway…All the other things are subjective.And everyone can have a different opinion.

    I Wish you and other fans to stop acting like haters. If you really believe Celine slept with Rene at age 12 to get a record this is just a sick opinion or a very nice joke.

    Think Twice before you insult Celine since Mariah has all great RESPECT for her.

    Did you know that Mariah sent Flowers to Celine after her father passed away ?

    Did you know that Celine has stated that she would travel miles and miles to meet Mariah and have a duet ?

    Did you know than in 2010 Mariah said in an interview that thanks to Celine’s efforts (acupuncture etc) she was helped to get pregnant ?

    They even have photos huging each other from the divas live concert rehearsals back in 1998 !!

    So…you have two women that stood by each other in issues of DEATH and BIRTH ! What can be bigger than this TRISH ? Sales ? Competition ?

    Of course you can keep up insulting Celine if you feel better doing so. That behaviour says pretty much everything about your mental health,education and breeding.

    I hope they both rest their voices and return with big songs once again. Spread Positivity ! This is what Mariah’s and Celine’s songs are about ! Love & Positivity ! Bye.

  64. Momo says:

    Don’t lie to us.You’re a Mariah hater as you never say something positive about her.You’re not better than Trish.You exaggerate Celine’s achievements and decrease Mariah’s.So don’t try to say that you respect Mariah.(I guess you’ll say that I’m Trish,but no matter about it since I’m a lamb like her and I discover your lies against Mariah).Can you just precise for us in what you think Celine is better than Mariah ? Please answer to me !

  65. Lucky Luke / My Love / Unison / For Mooriah Fans says:

    1.According to World Music Awards In 2004,the Diamond Award was given to Celine For Becoming “The Biggest Selling Female Artist Of All Time”

    Proof : youtube.com/watch?v=8FC8JehshWw -> (”…This evening she is being recognized with the Diamond Award For Her Unique Achievement as the World’S Best Selling Female Artist Of all time”)

    celinedioncharts.com/reportsandawards.htm

    celinedion.com/celinedion/english/journey_awards.html

    celinedions.blogspot.com/2009/05/celine-dion-chopard-diamond-award-best.html

    Note : The Diamond Award was created to honour those incredibly successful recording artists who sold over 100 million albums during their musical career.

    2.Celine Got Legend Award For Her GLOBAL CONTRIBUTION TO MUSIC In 2007

    Proof 1 : youtube.com/watch?v=4PGbwYtyA7k&feature=fvw

    Proof 2 : celinedion.com/celinedion/english/journey_awards.html

    ”I Have the distinc HONOR….& Incomparable & Force Of Nature” said Prince Albert !

    So The World Music Awards Honoured Celine Twice For Her Global Sales and Contribution.

    3.Media Know Celine Dion Is The Best Selling Female Artist ->

    Proof 1 : youtube.com/watch?v=X2V2xUy3mVI

    Proof 2 : youtube.com/watch?v=iaOaFLVW_Wc

    Proof 3 : youtube.com/watch?v=0Slelr0M5jk

    And Recent Videos

    Proof 4 : youtube.com/watch?v=SwdRjLBN618&feature=related

    Proof 5 : youtube.com/watch?v=UARmwPRMpX8

    Sales are Numbers ! Numbers Are Facts ! People In Media talk about Numbers !

    4.Media Never Gave The Title To Mariah.

    A. youtube.com/watch?v=i7wnaM0kE7E -> Hellen Talks about 175m Albums

    B. youtube.com/watch?v=QwCANylxjJw -> The X Factor Video about Mariah mentions 200m RECORDS…Not 200m ALBUMS.

    C. youtube.com/watch?v=e_yzTl-hrnQ&feature=related

    D. youtube.com/watch?v=J7LnpL_k3fo -> David Letterman in 2009 talked about 160 million Albums.

    5.IFPI Represents the Recording Industry WORLDWIDE with some 1,400 Members In 66 countries and Affiliated Industry Associations In 45 Countries…!

    A. ifpi.org/content/library/top50-2002.pdf -> A New Day Has Come The 5th Best Selling ! (12m copies)

    B. ifpi.org/content/library/top50-2003.pdf -> One Heart 10th Best Selling Album of 2003. (8m Copies)

    C. ifpi.org/content/library/top50-2007.pdf

    In March 2003,Celine Dion Received A Special IFPI Award to Commemorate Ten Million Copies Sold of Let’s Talk About Love in Europe,as well as a second IFPI Award in Honor of 50 million albums sold in Europe.

    6.Celine outsold in album sales In Us all other female artists this decade,exept for Britney Spears.

    new.music.yahoo.com/blogs/chart_watch/34074/chart-watch-extra-the-top-20-album-sellers-of-the-2000s/

    7.Pollstar is a provider of concert tour information. It collects and organizes information on concert ticket sales and artist tour schedules…!

    Pollstar announced that Celine Dion was the best-selling solo touring act of the decade.

    8.Celine is named ”ARTIST OF THE NEW MILLENIUM”

    Proof : fanpop.com/spots/celine-dion/videos/9500322/title/celine-dion-entertainer-new-millennium

    09.Celine recieves Legeon D’Honeur because :

    A.She Has Sold The Most French Records Worldwide than Any Other Artist !

    B.Chart success in Non-French Speaking Countries with French Songs – Albums !

    C.Only Celine managed to sing French in Every corner of this planet.Not Only In Tours.

    D.Celine Owns The 2 Highest Selling Non-English Albums In Music History (D’eux & S’Il Suffisait D’Aimer)

    Proof 1 : youtube.com/watch?v=9bwcolWmvGw

    Proof 2 : liberation.fr/actualite/010124661-celine-dion-decoree-de-la-legion-d-honneur-par-nicolas-sarkozy

    10.Celine’s songs have won 10 Grammy Awards.5 Of them went to Celine.The Other 5 went to composers.

    & 4 Academy Award Nominations (Beauty And The Beast (WON) / Because You Loved Me/ The Prayer / My Heart Will Go On (WON) )

    Of course Composers won the Academy Awards !

    (Although Critics usually dislike her English works)

    Proof 1 : popstarsplus.com/music_celinedion.htm

    Proof 2 : museumstuff.com/learn/topics/List_of_awards_received_by_Celine_Dion

    Proof 3 : en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_awards_received_by_Celine_Dion

    11.Celine’s DVD ”A New Day” Sold Over 3m copies Worldwide,becoming one of the best selling Dvds In Music History (Cine Tele Revue Magazine)

    Huge sales mainly In Us and Canada (3 DIAMOND)

    Proof 1 : canoe.com/divertissement/musique/nouvelles/2007/12/11/4719391-ca.html

    Proof 2 : community.indigo.ca/posts/Karen-Kennedy/user-92962/330333.html

    Proof 3 : newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/January2008/17/c2039.html

    Proof 4 : billboard.biz/bbbiz/charts/yearendcharts/chart_display.jsp?f=Top+Music+Video+Sales&g=Year-end+Singles

    Proof 5 : billboard.biz/bbbiz/charts/yearendcharts/2008/chart_display.jsp?f=Top+Music+Video+Sales&g=Year-end+Singles

    Her Latest Dvds debuted at number 1 and number 2 at Billboard Dvd Chart,While The Movie Dvd was certified 2 DIAMOND In Canada

    Proof : rockstarweekly.com/celine-dion-receives-three-video-awards-for-quick-sales.html

    12.According to Sony Music BMG,Celine Dion has sold over 200 million albums worldwide.(Oficial Announcement In 2007)

    Source: Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) & sonymusic.ch/Celine-Dion/Delles/P/477117867

    13.According to ISLAND DEF JAM Mariah has sold 200 million Albums & Singles & Dvds worldwide ! (Official Announcement In 2010)

    Even her LABEL disagrees with your LIES !!!

    Proof : islanddefjam.com/artist/news_single.aspx?nid=7892&artistID=7386

    14.A Few Magazines That Confirm Celine Is The Number 1 Selling Female Artist (Released After 2007)

    latimesblogs.latimes.com/music_blog/2010/01/celine-dion-reaches-peak-of-the-decades-ultimate-top-10.html

    montrealgazette.com/entertainment/Celine+Dion+Forbes+list/1885772/story.html

    uptoline.com/in-december-2009-pollstar-announced-that-celine-dion-was-the-best-selling-solo-touring-act

    uk.reuters.com/article/idUKTRE4BS4ZM20081231

    15.Forbes Magazine Announced In 2009 Celine was the highest earning musician of the 00’s ! (Albums & Tours)

    16.RIAA / IFPI / AWARDS / MAGAZINES / MEDIA / LABELS -> All Agree.

  66. Lucky Luke / My Love / Unison / For Mooriah Fans says:

    @ Momo !

    I Am 100 times better than Trish !

    I Could never insult Mariah the way she does with Celine (ugly,whore,bitch,camel,nose etc),or reduce her album sales.

    I will probably understand if you are Trish or not by your answers.Trish is behind nicknames STACY , HOWARD , JEFFRIE , SONGBIRD SUPREME , THE OBJECTIVE ONE , MARIAH’S FAN. (I Could bet money on that lol)

    I Happen to be in Mariah’s Forums and sites and I Honestly tell you I search a lot on her sales.
    Therefore me and other lambs as well know veeeery well that (for example) TEOM didn’t sell 16m copies like TRISH said or Charmbracelet 6m ! these are all jokes and I have nothing more to add on lies such as ”Daydream sold 9m copies In Asia,5m in Europe” !! Any REAL Mariah fan knows that IFPI Certified the album 3 Times Platinum in Europe. (I am giving just examples so don’t stick to them). On the other hand obsessed people can just lie and lie , inflating sales to prove their idols suprass everyone.

    You are right in one thing.I should have said more positive things about Marah.I Talked only about Celine’s achievents because I insisted on the topic ”Mariah VS Celine” in terms of Sales…so I only talked about their sales.

    My Opinion On Mariah :

    01.Influence / Contribution

    I hardly believe Mariah has influnced many artists like Aguilera , Beyonce , Rihanna to mention a few !
    & she adopts to the changes in music industry.

    02.Voice
    I think she possesses a larger vocal range than Celine.Proof is that she whistles while Celine can’t reach these notes.People that say she lost her voice are a team of jerks! Mariah proved in her latest Xmas album
    she is still a reat vocalist (when Christmas comes , adeste fideles , once child ).

    03.Creativity
    I’d really like Celine to write her own lyrics more often and produce her music.this is what Mariah does since her debut as EVERYONE knows ! She can write simple lyrics (emotions,love takes time) , smart lyrics ( breakdown , the roof ) , personal lyrics (petals , close my eyes , looking in ) , corny-funny lyrics (touch my body , up out my face) , empowering lyrics (hero,anytime you need a friend , 100 percent) , spiritual lyrics (fly like a bird).

    04.Beauty
    I Find Mariah prettier/sexier than Celine.(I Don’t find Celine ugly)…I only hope Mariah loses some weight after the pregnancy !! I Also like 90 percent of Mariah’s videos while I Can’t say the same about Celine’s videos,cause I find most of them kinda boring ! :P

    For me the highest achievement of Mariah is the undeniable fact that she managed to create and sing good songs both as an AC pop artist and as an Rnb Urban artist & achieve chart success with them.Personally I prefer the ”old” Mariah.

    My favorite album are Daydream and Butterfly…
    My favorite songs are My all , without you , looking in ,
    the roof , angels cry.

    Momo,If we were in you tube,we could be you tube friends and talk about Mariah all day,but here it’s kinda difficult and I don’t know if u’r gonna believe I am Mariah’s fan.

    If you go back and see my very first comment as Lucky Luke you will see I insulted NOBODY here BUT This lovely girl named TRISH started writing crap,dissing me (and Celine of course) while saying lies about celine’s and Mariah’s sales.Anyway…I am done with her.I Already spent much time on this crazy stan.

    Thanx for the post you wrote Momo ! U reminded me I hadn’t said anything positive about Mariah.

    Happy Holidays to Everyone guys!

    youtube.com/watch?v=aMUjniLygMc

  67. TRISH says:

    @ Lucky Luke/My Love?Unison/For Mooriah Fans/…
    That’s your final post?? You mean till the time you’ll come back here with another nickname? Your declaration didn’t surprise me,as I always knew that Chris,Lucky Luke,MC HATERS,Unison,For Mooriah Fans,etc…are the same person.Let me remind you,it’s from your business if you’ll come back here or not,I don’t care about it.Anyway,I must reply to your comment as you address it to me.First of all,you’re a worse liar and ignorant than me.You was so angry just because you met someone smarter than you.I am a million times better than you,believe me.By the way,I never used the Nicknames of Stacy,Francois,Howard ,The Objective One.I used Songbird Supreme,The Voice rules,Mimi rules,Jeffrie .The Nicknames you mentioned ,belong to lambs whom took part in Popdirt forums many months before me.I was angry against all Celine’s fans because they refuse deliberately to accept the logical aspect by which Celine’s total sales can’t surpass Mariah’s just in 1 year,although Mariah realize a huge success with TEOM only 2 years later.In accordance with all medias, Mariah’s sales were ahead Celine’s till the 2003 year.So,how Celine’s sales could catch up Mariah’s sales,then surpass her,only in one year? Without any huge smash hit album over Mariah ( in the 2000’s,Celine got ANDHC,Mariah got TEOM.One Heart and Mariah’s Greatest Hits sold the same ) ? How Mariah’s TEOM sales in 2006 couldn’t make her keep ( or take back ) her advantage over Celine? Have you ever ask yourself these questions? This would be the main preoccupation in this debate,not just coming here and repeat what Oprah,Letterman or Degeneres said,and that everybody already know.Here ,we challenge what everybody already admit ,and we deal with assertions in accordance with what we observe. Debates must bring light on what we usually hear and see by medias.Media’s claims are not always truthful nor irrefutable .For example,Guiness claimed that Madonna sold 380 albums since 2005.However,by June 2010,it rectify this amount to 200 million for 2011! IFPI claim Nana Mouskouri sold 200-300 million albums,nevertheless, her real sales doesn’t surpass…40 million! Nana Mouskouri is not even in the top 20 best selling artists in Europe,nor in the top 10 best selling female artists in Europe ,her stronger market by far( Mariah made the list )! Even Mariah’s total sales in Europe surpass Nana Moukouri’s by far ! You see ? So,in real facts,how Nana Mouskouri could ever sold more albums than Mariah worldwide ( you said that only Madonna,Celine and Nana Mouskouri had reach 200 million album sold worldwide ).You see ? You just repeat what you hear and see,without trying to understand if it’s true or false. If Oprah,Letterman or Degeneres said 1+1=3, would you believe in it without trying to understand by yourself how 1+1 could ever =3 ? You must research the truth,no matter whom institution or personality claim something . So,just repeat ridiculous thing like “ only Celine Dion,Madonna and Nana mouskouri has sold over 200 million albums worldwide” can’t change nothing to the real facts,as I always said. No one’s comments never upset me because it say Celine is ahead MC.No,no.I know very well that MC is ahead Celine,not because I love Mariah,but because everything show it.But ,I can reply the same question to you.Tell me,do anyone’s comments saying Mariah is ahead of Celine can really upset you ? At least,I never deny that Celine beats Mariah by far in concerts and tours ! But you,can you say to me what did you ever recognize Mariah got over Celine? You deny deliberately all assets in which Mariah beat Celine obviously.let’s see.Voice? You said that Mariah lose her voice since the 2000 decade,and Celine’s 2000 voice is better than Mariah’s as Celine is successful in concerts and tours unlike Mariah.Writing and producing skills ? You said that Celine can do the same but she’s too busy on giving successful tours around the world,while you said that she have time enough to write and produce songs for some wanna be French artists.Sing hability and soulfulness? You said nothing in that, just because you know that Mariah wins obviously.Beauty? You said that Mariah is most beautiful than Celine because she got plastic implants and fake boobs. Influence/inspiration on other Artists? You Said that some artists like Susan Boyle,Leona Lewis,etc…already covered a Celine’s song.But you never precise which artist claim that Celine is her/his main influence .Sexyness? You said that Mariah is just a whore cause she show her body ,unlike Celine.Singles sales? You said that Labels doesn’t care about Singles because they are cheap.Contribution in Music? Everyone always admit that Mariah have huge contributions in music: Her sing style which is emulated by a lot of today’s artists,her revolution of music by her Pop/Hip Hop style,etc…But,you said that Celine got Awards for her global contribution in music,although you can’t precise what kind of contribution Celine really bring in music.All that you find as contribution for Celine,are her sales and the simple fact that she sings in French language in her English concerts. .Number 1 Hits worldwide? You said that Mariah got most Hits than Celine because she use payola shemes for topping Charts and dropped out the prices of her singles !About albums sales,you based your arguments on Awards and Medias lists/citations without trying to understand the real facts by themselves.Moreover,you inflate and increase Celine’s albums sales when you use detailed datas,but you accuse me to do it. As a Celine fan,you try to lead your own criterions for the better artist.Lambs did the same,but at least lambs got most deserving criterions than you did.
    -In accordance with Celine’s fans,Celine is a better artist than Mariah because she’s most successful on stage and sold much more concert tickets ,she earns highest incomes ,she sold more DVD and sold more albums than Mariah.
    -In accordance with lambs,Mariah is a better artist than Celine because she got a better voice (Beauty,smoothness,power,versatility,flexibility,soulfulness),she’s able to create her own songs,she influences much more artists,she disrupts music,she sing more different musical genres,She got more number 1 Hits worldwide , She sold more albums than Celine,she sold much more singles than Celine,She bring HUGE contribution in music,she have most professional assets than Celine ( she’s an entrepreneur,a producer,a fashion model, an actress and a music video-director ).
    I guess you’re much more upseted than me.I don’t remember I said that I was upseted by your pitiful comments.I never said that.By the way,I’m sure that my life is less pathetic than yours.I’m just smarter than you could think,kid ! Don’t worry about my life,it’s not from your business,ok? Who care about your opinion? You really proved that you have great respect for “both”.That’s why you wrote Mariah is a whore? A bitch? A cow ? That she sell her image to make Soldiers and Teenagers fantasize on her? That she had number 1 Hits in USA at 1990’s thanks to Mottola? That she had huge success worldwide thanks to Tommy Mottola? That she got fake boobs and plastic implants? That she’s the queen of payola ? That she sold albums only in USA and Japan? If that’s what you call great respect,I can say that I have a great respect for Celine too.Besides, I don’t hate Celine, I just hate some of her foolish fans.Lucky Luke/Unison/… Just assume all that you already did in this debate.Don’t try to clear yourself of your biased and mad comments.Let me tell you that you made a BIG mistake if you think that your stupid “game” had influenced my temper.This is rather me that would say that to you,because everything prove it.It seems like you’re very afraid by insults.That’s why,you changed Lucky Luke to Unison,then For Mooriah Fans,etc… I have pity on you !
    Yes,I’m a girl,a proud girl ! I’m beautiful and I got so many boys who interested by me !
    1. I doubt that your knowledge about these singers could surpass mine ! I know EVERYTHING about their life and career ! Those artists got no secret for me and my sources are irrefutables ! About Awards,at least all the old Awards that Mariah won are relevants, unlike Celine’s current Awards.As weapons,you use insignificant Platinum certifications to prove that Celine’s albums sales surpass Mariah’s.You contradict yourself many times in your comments.You said that A New day… sold more than TEOM because it got 20 platinum certifications unlike TEOM.You also said that it certified 3 times Platinum for 3 m copies sold in Europe.But you just forgot that 3m in Europe +3m in USA =6 m.So How it could ever surpass TEOM,when its USA sales alone equal the Europe + US sales of ANDHC ? Do you think we are a team of morons to believe A New Day … sold more than TEOM ? One heart 7m ? All The Way 24m ? Taking Chances 4 m? Miracle 3m ? Even Wikipedia ( greatest Celine’s supporter ) accord much lower sales for these albums !
    1. You dreaming a dream , my dear.You’re just blinded,anyone can notice it. (Inform yourself about Glitter and Charmbracelet,they sold more than 500.000 each in China alone).Maybe Platinum Certification in Europe =Platinum Certification in USA.But USA is a bigger musical market than Europe.That’s why every international albums usually sold more in USA than in Europe ( for example compare the respective total sales of Celine and Mariah in USA and in Europe.You’ll see that they sold more in USA ).All the certifications you mentioned about Celine’s albums come from your imagination.Nobody believe in it.LIAR ! The real sales of Celine Dion in Europe are – 51million, In USA she sold 50 million albums.In Asia 18 million approximatelly. Mariah Carey’s sales are – 27 million in Europe,65 million in USA,approximatelly 40 million in Asia.Moreover,Mariah rules in Australia and South America market ! See? Mariah got the advantage anyway !
    Don’t dare call me liar ,because you are ! Based on certification levels,Japan is BIGGER than any European country,included UK,Germany and France.Mariah’s Music Box and # 1’S reached close to 4 million sales each,only in Japan.Her best selling single surpass 2 million sales there.Did Celine already realize a such performance in an European country ? PATHETIC IDIOT ! You just ignore all Mariah’s sales/certifications in all Asia ( China,Taiwan,Corea,Hong Kong,Singapur,Phillipines,Thailand,Malaysia,Indonesia,etc…) although everybody (including you )know that Asia is Mariah’s second strongest market worldwide .
    However,about celine,you always mention her strongest markets ( USA,Canada,Europe ).
    Everything prove that Mariah’s global sales surpass Celine’s.
    Celine sold more albums than Mariah in Europe and Canada !! All other things you say are delirium by your sickness flu.(Sales in South America ,Australia,etc…).

    North America / Australia /South America / Asia belong to Mariah with HUGE Differences !
    Don’t you get shame on posting your lies here? How much PATHETIC you are!
    You think you surprise me because you said you got all Mariah’s albums and know her “REAL” sales! Me too I got all Celine’s Album since her international career in 1990 till now.That’s why I know very well her songs and am able to say some things about her work.I insult Celine only because of pathetic fans like you !

    Maybe Celine’s label agree with you,but none of Musical Institutions like: RIAA / BILLBOARD / People in Media / IFPI / Awards never gave so much biased data/figure sales as you did. You gave a list of Celine’s/Mariah’s album sales in the 2000 decade in which you increase all Celine’s figure sales exaggerately while you decrease all Mariah’s ! in accordance to your biased list,ANDHC sold 15 million ,One Heart 7 million,Miracle 4 million,Taking Chances 4 million, All The Way 24 million,etc…! but you just LIE!You increase the sales of all these albums exaggerately ! Even Wikipedia ( the best supporter of Celine ) accord much lower sales to these albums !
    About global albums sales,Mariah and Celine are neck and neck.Mariah beats Celine by far on Singles sales.Besides ,even if Celine would sold more albums than Mariah ,Mariah would always beat her on total records thanks to the sale of her Singles.So,Mariah sold more records ( albums + singles combined ) than Celine. We don’t care about what Oprah Winfrey,Larry King,Ellen degeneres and David Letterman said about Celine when we already know that Celine’s albums sales are neck and neck with Mariah’s.If Celine got advantage over Mariah on DVD sales and ticket concert sales worldwide,Mariah got advantage over Celine on Singles sales and number 1 Hits worldwide.About talent and skills,I even don’t need to mention whom is the undeniable winner among Celine and Mariah.In 00’s Celine’s and Mariah’s albums sold really low because their best lies in 90’s.However,Celine continue to have huge success on touring although her albums sold low ( though with low budget ). Mariah’s 2000’s albums sold low too ( but with highest budget than Celine’s) but it’s because she sang mainly Hip Hop music .That’s why Celine’s and Mariah’s album sales are approximately equivalent in the 2000’s .Celine just released more albums ( French releases + English releases ) that sold moderately,and with no deficit whereas Mariah’s albums sold approximately the same amount but with no profits for her label.
    .Mariah’s new Christmas album flops because of Susan Boyle’s The Gift.Susan Boyle is a new musical sensation worldwide,that’s why her Christmas album blow away Mariah’s,although Mariah’s new Xmas album is better based on quality and vocal performances.Mariah proves she still able to give a very good Pop/Ballad album like she used to in her days at the 1990’s.She proved it by her current Christmas album,her voice stay amazing/unique and keeps its qualities and abilities.

  68. Lucky Luke / My Love / Unison / For Mooriah Fans says:

    @ To TRISH

    It is obvious I didn’t mean to insult Mariah but just upset you with these insults.My real opinion is post 67.I see you basically did the same (insulting celine) to piss me off.so we are ok with this.

    You said you got upset by my very first comment as Lucky Luke.Check you first reply ! you actually wrote ”first you come here and upset everybody…”.

    Once again…For the record…I think Mariah influenced more artists (I actually wrote it above) , I find her sexier , better videos , bigger range (whistle notes). I own her discography. Of course I own Celine’s discography as well.

    Celine writes songs rarely and involved herself in the production of a few albums. Of course even stones know Mariah is a songwriter & produces every record ! that’s why I give credit to her.But I just don’t consider Celine a robot or totally useless.

    Since you own Celine’s discography (therefore you are her fan) I think you don’t really believe she slept with Rene at age 12 to get a record deal !! :P

    About their sales…there’s nothing left to say.I know RIAA Crtifies albums in Us / IFPI In Europe…who certifies sales in China , Korea , Pacific Ocean etc ? I really haven’t got a clue on this but you probably know since you talk about the certifications Mariah got there.
    I have seen nothing of this in forums and blogs or sites.

    All In All I am kinda tired of this debate (I hope it ends soon) and if Guinness book of records (that never claimed Madonna sold 380m records – even her stans never mention this huge figure) , world music awards , what labels and media say can’t change your opinion…who am I to do so ?

    I am honestly sorry for insulting you…With all this fu**ing debates I actually forgot I write to another human being.

  69. TRISH says:

    @Lucky Luke / My Love / Unison / For Mooriah Fans :
    I am glad that our feud is finally over. Me too,I didn’t mean to insult Celine,I’m really sorry for that,I’m a big fan of Celine and of course, I don’t really believe Celine slept with Rene at age 12 to get a record deal.I said that just to upset her fans here. I admit that she’s a better live entertainer than Mariah.Moreover,Celine is a very great vocalist too.Her renditions of the songs: The Power Of Love, All By Myself The First Time Ever I Saw Your Face and All The Way are really good and amazing vocal performances! My favorite albums from Celine are Falling Into You and Let’s Talk About Love.My favorite songs are :Falling Into You,If You Asked Me To,Seduces Me,Only One Road ,Call The Man,The Reason, Je Ne Sais Pas and All By Myself. I think Mariah and Celine are both legends.So we shouldn’t fight just for proving who is better among both. No matter who sold more or less records between them as long as we love them.I love Mariah and Celine and I wish to them joy,love and happiness in their respective life.I was so glad for Celine when she gave birth to her Twins.Now I await Mariah’s baby with impatience !
    @Latonya:
    It’s time for us to be reasonable and stop this stupid war of insults.You love Whitney but that’s doesn’t mean that she sold more records than Mariah and Celine.I love and respect Whitney because she is the main influence of Mariah Carey and Celine Dion . Some Whitney’s performances like: Saving All My Love For You,Where You Are,All The Man That I Need,I Have Nothing, Miracle etc… are among my favorite songs .Cause I am a Whitney fan too and have all her albums .My favorite albums for her, are Whitney and The Bodyguard..I consider Whitney,Mariah and Celine as the greatest vocalists and the best female artists of all times !
    And my favorite albums overall are Emotions and The Emancipation Of Mimi.My favorite songs overall are Emotions, Fly Like A Bird,Vision Of Love and If It’s Over.

  70. Lucky Luke says:

    I Agree In Everything You say…

    My Favorite Celine songs are Immortality , My Heart Will Go On , A New Day Has Come , I Surrender , Where Is The Love , The Reason , To Love You More , Only One Road ,
    Where Does My Heart Beat Now , My Love.

    And Mariah’s Are My All , Without You , Looking In , The Roof , Angels Cry , Breakdown , Melt Away , Open Arms , Till The End Of Time , Love Takes Time.

    They are so perfect in everything they do.

    Let’s Hope The Best For Both Of Them.

  71. Latonya says:

    OK its my turn now. I said all this stuff to irritate the fans of the other divas. Believe it or not I LOVE Mariah & Celine. The only one I don’t like or respect is Madonna. But lets move on

    My favorite Celine albums are A New Day Has Come, Lets talk bout love and Celine Dion. My favorite songs are:
    A new day has come, All by myself, I surrender, Rain tax (yep I’m serious lol), Dance with my father, Beauty and the beast and.

    My favorite Mariah albums are E=MC2, Emotions and hr new Xmas album is fabulous. She sings like the old days of the 90s in songs like O come all your faithful, O little town of Bethlehem and When Xmas comes. My favorite Mariah songs are Fly like a bird, For The record, Emotions, So blessed and touch my body.

    My favorite Whitney albums are I’m Your Baby Tonight, I Look to you and Preachers Wife OST. Songz I Will always love you, Step By step, I wanna dance wit somebody, Hold me, Your still my man and lots more.

    Of coarse I love Whitney more than Celine and Mariah but that don’t mean I don’t respect or love the other two.

    I’m happy for Celine’s twin boyz and for Mariah’s baby (or babies? Last I heard she was having twinz too). I’m happy dat Whitney is finally off drugz and made a fresh start.

    Dis is my last message. Happy holidays y’all and peace.

  72. Lucky Luke says:

    Oh yes ! Mariah is expecting twins ! It is Official ! :)

    Ps. I Like Rain Tax too ! :D

  73. Alison says:

    I don’t think Mariah Carey has made a great album since ‘Music Box’ way back in 1993. All the albums that followed sound the same: it seems like a case of “if it ain’t broken, don’t fix it”. However, CHRISTY everything you mention in your list is purely your opinion, not fact. Celine Dion sold more records than Mariah Carey so she is better. Any other statement is purely an opinion and can’t be challenged.

  74. Broken-T says:

    Alison,GET OUT OF HERE STUPID HATER ! This is only your opinion.Celine doesn’t sold more records than Mariah as everything discussing by Trish and Lucky Luke proves it.Don’t turn back these questions here now.It’s over,you understand OVER.You’d better follow the great examples of the trues debaturs in this blog.TRISH.LUCKY LUKE then LATONYA.Everything is alright now .Get out of here HATER !!!

  75. Momo says:

    Well,I really happy that the war is over between LATONYA, LUCKY LUKE and TRISH.I am a great fan of Mariah Carey and Whitney Houston .I love and respect Celine Dion too.My favorite albums for Whitney are I’m your baby tonight,The Bodyguard and My love is your love.My favorite songs for Whitney are:Greatest love of all, I wanna dance with somebody,For the love of you,Run to you,IWALY,I believe in you and me,step by step,I learned from the best,When you believe (I’m crazy for this song ! ),and It’s not right but it’s okay.For Mariah,my favorite albums are: Mariah Carey,Emotions,Music Box,Daydream and The Emancipation of Mimi.My songs are: Vanishing,I don’t wanna cry,Emotions,If it’s over,So blessed ,You’re so cold,I’ll be there,Dreamlover,Hero,Anytime you need a friend,Music box,Fantasy,Forever,Butterfly,Honey,Fly like a bird,Mine again and Circles. For her Christmas songs,I loooove her new Christmas album ! including of course : All I want for Christmas is you and her unique rendition of O holy night from her first Xmas album.Let’s enjoy music and Happy holidays to everyone !

  76. Barack Obama says:

    FIRST OF ALL THIS PAGE IS ABOUT CELINE AND MARIAH, PLEASE DO NOT MENTION OTHER ARTISTS BESIDES THE MARIAH AND CELINE.

    BOTH SALES, ACHIEVEMENTS, AND CHART RECORDS is not really the assumption here if who’s best, because it can be simply determined who’s best just by ASKING PEOPLE AROUND YOU’RE NEIGHBORHOOD, BECAUCE THE REAL MEASURE OF WHO’S GREATER IS IN TERMS OF L E G A C Y!….

    THERE’S NO DENYING MOST PEOPLE KNOW THEM AND THERE’S NO DENYING THAT MOST PEOPLE KNOW THEIR HITS..

    ——–1ST CELINE————
    BEST SONG – MY HEART WILL GO ON
    ———NOTABLE SONGS AN AVERAGE JOE CAN SING——-
    POWER OF LOVE (even if its a cover, many thinks its she’s original), BECAUSE YOU LOVED ME, I’m you’re Angel, Immortal,

    ——–2ND MARIAH————
    BEST SONG – HERO
    ———NOTABLE SONGS AN AVERAGE JOE CAN SING——-
    WITHOUT YOU, I’LL BE THERE ( both of these songs are covers still people thinks even I’ll be there, she was the original singer) WE BELONG TOGETHER(the chorus, they can sing it)and My ALL , I Still Believe and of course ALL I WANT FOR X-MAS IS YOU.

    the winner is Mariah Carey!. bow.

  77. Lucky Luke says:

    @ Obama

    Lmao ! You mean ”Immortality” and it was only released in Europe so many people don’t know the song that well.

    Great nickname !! :-P

    I Though of giving an answer to this under the name ”Nicola Sarkozy” !! ha ha ha !! you made my day.

  78. Lucky Luke says:

    @ BROKEN-T

    You wrote ”Celine doesn’t sold more records than Mariah as everything discussing by Trish and Lucky Luke proves it”

    Actually we just stopped fighting.This doesn’t mean anything against Celine was proven.

  79. BROKEN-T says:

    @ Lucky Luke
    I think so.Anything against Mariah Carey was proven.Anyway,everything prove that Mariah Carey is the winner !
    Let’s see their respective criterions for the better artist.
    The fans of Celine doesn’t get on with Mariah’s for the Albums sales question.So,we’ll don’t consider albums sales as a criterion.
    CELINE DION beats Mariah in :
    -Tours
    -Concert Tickets sales
    -Income
    -DVD sales

    MARIAH CAREY beats Celine in :
    -Number 1 Hits Worldwide
    -Single sales
    -Legacy ( Influence,Contribution in Music,etc…)
    -Voice ( MTV Countdown,Blender Magazine,Guiness World Records,etc…)
    -Talent ( Writing,Composing,Producing,Arranging,Directing Skills )
    -Professionnal assets ( Actress, Fashion Model ).
    (As we see,even if we would consider Celine sold more albums than Mariah.Mariah would be the winner anyway ,cause she combine the better artistical criterions).
    Mariah is the winner because she collect the best criterions as an artist ,and her achievements touches music/people deeper than Celine’s !

  80. Lucky Luke says:

    @ Broken-T

    I am the only one who brought actual facts here.

    – The Only One –

    You just choose to ignore them.

    All the things you say about music,achievents etc is your

    opinion and I respect it. Just don’t present your opinion

    as an undeniable fact.

    Celine outsold Mariah in total album sales since their

    debut and this is easily proved by Celine’s awards that

    only lambs seem to ignore calling them irrelevant.

    How easy is this ? :-)

    Also the whole Media mention Celine sold more.

    Celine outsold Mariah in Album sales , tours , dvds…

    If Mariah is the best seller why don’t people demand to

    attend her concerts and therefore it is hard to fill

    arenas?

    If Mariah is the best seller why all her latest efforts

    flopped ? Even in Us and Japan – her strong markets.

    Celine has sold 51m albums in Us , 56m In Europe , 20m In Asia , 15m in Canada and 4m in australia. (146M)

    Mariah sold 64m albums in Us , 25m In Europe , 30m in Asia , 5m In Canada and 3m in Australia. (127M)

  81. Lucky Luke says:

    I Made A Mistake…I Just searched and

    Mariah has over 32 Platinum certifications in Australia

    bringing her total certified album sales there to 2.3m.

    (70k to reach platinum)

    Celine has 35 Platinum certifications bringing her

    total to 2.5m certified albums there.

    So they don’t have a difference of 1m like I posted

    before but just of 200k…they are almost equal.My

    mistake.Sorry.

  82. BROKEN-T says:

    You are the only one who brought links here Lucky Luke,not facts.All that you said about sales are bull**t,you biased all of them.You know very well that Mariah sold much more albums than Celine worldwide ! Trish proves it severall times! She’s a better debatur than you.All that you bring are doubtfull and subjective links,you can’t prove anything by facts,like Trish did.Besides,you always said that you’re a Mariah fan too,if you really is you’d agree by the fact that Mariah is a better artist than Celine even if Celine would sold more albums than her.Greatness of an artist doesn’t lie only on her albums sales.Mariah wins,everything prove it !

  83. Lucky Luke says:

    Are you joking ? I am the one who brought Facts.

    Links from Billboard , IFPI , RIAA , Forbes Magazine etc.

    So these links are FACTS From objective sources ! lol !

    You all say One Heart is a flop and I answer that

    according to IFPI it was the 10th best selling album

    of 2003.

    Therefore I am simply right and you are wrong.

    See how it works ?

    None of you did this.

    TRISH proved nothing. I just gave up on her (POST 68)

    In this post I already said Mariah is a great artist ,

    but this is everyone’s opinion. There people calling

    Celine and Mariah trash ! So you can’t be objective

    with someone’s greatness , especially in case of Celine

    and Mariah cause they are both amazing !

    Exactly when did TRISH prove anything by facts ? lol

    When I asked for links and sources she answered her words

    are enough , avoiding to give facts just like

    she did in the other popdirt debate !! ….

    so please save your words ! I know who knows what !

    TRISH is pretty smart but she never talked with facts

    based on IFPI or RIAA for example.

    Finally , All you can do Broket-T is call my links

    doubtful and irrelevant.

    This is just childish ,predictable and boring…

    It only proves you are unable to answer back.

  84. Broken-T says:

    @ Lucky Luke : Are you sick ? What is the title of this debat e? Is this best selling female artist Celine or Mariah ? No,this is rather: Celine Dion vs Mariah Carey ,that mean who among Celine Dion and Mariah Carey is the best on overall achievements,not just in sales ! You just try to limit the comparison between both artists only on sales ! However,greatness of artists doesn’t lie only on sales,sales and sales ! If Celine Dion really sold more albums than Mariah,Do just a few million of albums sold in advantage can make an artist better than another one ? Not at all! Everyone would disagree with that idea.Celine Dion and Mariah Carey are enough close on record sold and success ( the whole world recognize Mariah as the most successful artist of the 1990’s decade which is the most successful decade,Celine Dion is one of most successful artists of the 2000 decade ,the less successful decade ).Both artists were honored as best selling female artists of the world ( Mariah the first,after a 10 years of international career and 9 releases ,singing only on English ;then Celine Dion after 14 years of international career + singing on 2 different languages + 9 years of Quebecker career & dozens of releases there ). So a comparison among both can be based just on their respective success.There is so much more ,which constituting the greatness of artists ! Mariah is clearly the winner ! Besides ,the comparison must constitute not only recent/actual facts,but all times achievements ( fulfillments through all the length of the career’s ).Mariah is the winner anyway ! Criterions are not just opinions ! don’t try to confound best selling artist criterions to better artist overall criterions !
    Besides,about facts, everything prove that Mariah sold more records than Celine worldwide ! Mariah is better than Celine overall.About links you gave,there is no need to have stupid links to prove all that we say ,you know it damn well ! We don’t need links to know that Mariah is a much more influential artist than Celine ,that she sold more singles worldwide than Celine,that her voice is ranked best voice ever in MTV countdown,Blender Magazine,etc…,that Mariah Produce,write,compose and arrange her own materials unlike Celine,that she’s the most successful non Asian artist in Asia,etc…You try to reduce lambs efforts just with your biased links,but you can’t . Facts themselves are enough to prove all what we claim,as everybody see.

  85. Lucky Luke says:

    You brought no facts at all.

    Everything else on ”greatness” is just your opinion.

    Everyone talked about sales so after I entered the

    debate,I talked about sales as well,so I am pretty

    much logical and healthy. :-P

    Plus,I already posted my opinion on Mariah’s voice,

    talent , beauty and songwriting skills without trying to

    prove ”she is the best” , cause this is not a FACT but

    a point of view.

    You know well Celine has many achievents as well.

    You just choose to ignore them. :-)

    The fact that you call Celine’s distinctions irrelevant

    and biased shows who is the bitter hater here.

    You call my links biased. Why ? Did I change anything

    on them to make them Partial ? Did I invented these

    links ? Did you even bother to take a look ?

    If you think IFPI , BILLBOARD or MEDIATRAFFIC

    are biased,then the sick person is you,not me.

    In terms of sales , thank God everything is proven

    by recent Awards , Media and musical institutions data.

  86. TRISH says:

    I brought facts unlike you Lucky Luke.You didn’t bring any fact at all! You just gave links.Links are not facts.Links are created by facts,but facts are not created by linkks.All facts prove severall times that Mariah sold more albums than Celine and much more Singles than her.So,Celine is far behind Mariah on records sales.Moreover,Mariah beats Celine on every other artistical assets and skills ! So Mariah is a much better artist than Celine !

  87. Lucky Luke 7 says:

    01.Stick to the nickname TRISH so we can talk in a logic

    base once again and I don’t mention anything again

    on your behaviour,nicknames etc.

    02.I Brought 47 Links here…Links from IFPI data for

    example…since when a link from IFPI is not a fact ?

    what about you ?

    03.I won’t fight on skills etc because this is sth so

    subjective. Even musicians and music critics praise

    both of them but they also speak in a negative way

    a few times using words such as brethy (for Mariah)

    and nasal (for Celine) …

    The word ”better” is subjective as well.

    So this is everyone’s opinion.

    04.On sales…what facts exactly prove that Mariah sold

    more ?

    You say ”Facts prove”…what facts ? :P

    05.I’d say it is quite the opposite cause Celine has

    recieved much more awards and distinctions than Mariah,

    plus it is proved she is a stable album seller.

    06.If you gonna bring any certifications just BE

    CAREFUL ! Don’t make mistakes again

    such as

    – Us is bigger than Europe

    or

    – All I want for xmas is you sold 20m

    or

    – Gliter sold over 1m copies

    etc…

    Be really really careful.

  88. TRISH says:

    @ Lucky Luke.You brought 47 links here,not 47 convincing arguments nor facts.You also gave many Datas sales certifications according to RIAA and IFPI and they deny your “ 47 links”.So,either your “47 links “ are contradictory either they are partial and subjective .As all RIAA and IFPI certifications about Celine and Mariah prove that Mariah is ahead of Celine on albums sales worldwide.For example how an album certified 3 times platinum by IFPI and 3 times platinum by RIAA could ever surpass another who is certified 6 times platinum by RIAA and 1 time platinum by IFPI ???
    Idem for all other Certification sales about Mariah and Celine according to RIAA,IFPI and their respective sales in the rest of the world.Mariah is ahead Celine on albums sales.
    About Skills,they are not subjective at all.They stay facts.Is this subjective to say that Michael Jacson was a better dancer than Michael Bolton ? Is this subjective to say that Beyonce got a better voice than Lady Gaga ?Is this subjective to say that Madonna is a better dancer than Celine Dion ? No they are Facts,not subjectivities.This is not subjective to say that Mariah got a better voice than Celine.
    -Facts: Mariah Carey write,compose,produce,arrange her own songs and also for other artists. Celine didn’t.This is not subjective at all.
    -Facts: Mariah influence so many artists by her sing style (Beyonce,Christina,Kelly,Jessica,Rihanna,Backstreet Boys,Nsync,etc…) This is not subjective at all.
    -Facts: Mariah got a most beautiful,powerful and technical voice than Celine.It’s proved by all Mariah’s songs like,Emotions,Melt Away,Lookin’ in,Against All Odds,Oh Santa,Fourth Of July,My Saving Grace,etc…every musical experts like Simon Cowell recognize it.Artists like:Kelly Clarkson,Christina Aguilera,etc…Medias: Guinness World Records,Blender Magazine,MTV Countdown , online polls,objective music fans,etc…agree with it.So don’t try to say that it’s subjective in the same way it’s would not subjective to say that Celine got a better voice than Cher or Annie Lennox)
    This is Awards which could are subjective when they doesn’t honored a real achievement or skill from an artist.
    So,don’t try to reduce achievements and assets of an artist to only her sales and her Awards.
    (Celine got Awards over Mariah just because most of them are local and come from Canada,France and European countries.If these institutions would give awards to any international artist,Mariah would have as much or most than Celine as she got most Hits worldwide than Celine.Moreover,Mariah got much more major Awards than Celine).
    About certifications,there is no need for me to bring any here,as I used the ones posted by you in the Madonna or Mariah debate.It’s enough to prove that I really right when I said that Mariah Carey sold more albums worldwide than Celine.

  89. Lucky Luke 7 says:

    @ TRISH

    01.My Links are not contradictory ! The agree with the

    awards Mariah and Celine got ! Your so called

    ”arguments” totally disagree with labels , IFPI ,

    BILLBOARD , Wikipedia , World Music Awards and this is

    why you desperately trying to take them ALL down !

    02. billboard.com/column-chartbeat/20-20-vision-mariah-marks-milestone-1004094895.story#/column-chartbeat/20-20-vision-mariah-marks-milestone-1004094895.story

    03. usatoday.com/printedition/life/20110106/musicsalesinside06_st.art.htm

    These are BILLOARD Facts ! The second on is

    updated… Open them ! what do you see ?

    According to these FACTS Mariah has sold 53m albums is

    Us and Celine 51m being right behind her in total album

    sales since the Nielsen Soundscan era !

    Mariah has SOLD 53m but she takes cradit for SHIPPMENTS

    of 63m ! ALL her albums are OVERSHIPPED by her label !

    Remember the link I gave you from her OFFICIAL site ?

    It mentioned Daydream sold almost 8m in Us , yet as

    everybody knows it is certified 10 times platinum ,

    indicating shippments of 10m !

    On the other hand as it is PROVED Celine has sold 51m

    while her certifications are at THE EXACT SAME LEVEL !

    Cause you already said it Celine is certified for 50m

    sales in Us !

    So you can easily understand why TEOM sold 6m in Us (THE

    MOST) and barely 1m in Europe !

    While Celine’s ”A New Day Has Come” sold 3.5m in each

    market ! It could recieve a 5 platinum certification

    in these markets if her name was ”Mariah” ! lol

    Cause BUTTERFLY has sold 3.5m in Us but is certified

    5 times platinum ! Her MUSIC BOX album has sold 7.7m

    and is certified 10m copies !

    The only overcertified album Celine has is

    ”The Colour Of My Love” that sold 4.6m in Us and

    takes is certified 6 times platinum !

    04.On skills : Many people think Mariah’s lyrics are

    total trash , so don’t try to say everyone recognizes

    her talent ! Same goes for Celine’s songs or her vocals !

    If you ask me , I think Celine has a better voice but

    I won’t insist on this cause

    I AM NOT FIFTEEN YEARS OLD ! Got that ?

    Now move on !

    05. Mariah sold 64m in Us , 25m in Europe , 5m in Canada

    , 35m In Asia and 3m In Australia -> 133m

    Celine sold 52m in Us , 56m iN Europe , 15m in Canada ,

    20m In Asia (Like you said before ;-) ) and 3m In Australia

    —> 146m !

    Plus she is the best selling female artist of all time in

    Africa ! No wonder she is ahead…

    06.Instead of defending why don’t you attack me with

    facts that prove Mariah is ahead ? … just for a

    change…

    07.You say ”all RIAA and IFPI certifications about

    Celine and Mariah prove that Mariah is ahead of Celine

    on albums ” …

    Uhmm how’s that ? Celine got two IFPI record for her

    sales and Mariah got 0 ! lol ! The 13m difference of

    SHIPPMENTS they have in Us is easily covered by the

    difference they have in Europe (Over 30m albums) !

    08.Stop trashing on Celine and bring some actual facts

    cause the game ”Lucky Luke brings links and Trish

    calls them partial” is really boring ! lmao

  90. TRISH says:

    @ Lucky Luke.You brought 47 links here,not 47 convincing arguments nor facts.You also gave many Datas sales certifications according to RIAA and IFPI and they deny your “ 47 links”.So,either your “47 links “ are contradictory either they are partial and subjective .As all RIAA and IFPI certifications about Celine and Mariah prove that Mariah is ahead Celine on record sales worldwide.For example how an album certified 3 times platinum by IFPI and 3 times platinum by RIAA could ever surpass another who is certified 6 times platinum by RIAA and 1 time platinum by IFPI ???
    Idem for all other Certification sales about Mariah and Celine according to RIAA,IFPI and their respective sales in the rest of the world.Mariah is ahead Celine on albums sales.
    About Skills,they are not subjective at all.They stay facts.Is this subjective to say that Michael Jacson was a better dancer than Michael Bolton ? Is this subjective to say that Beyonce got a better voice than Lady Gaga ?Is this subjective to say that Madonna is a better dancer than Celine Dion ? No they are Facts,not subjectivities.This is not subjective to say that Mariah got a better voice than Celine.
    -Facts: Mariah Carey write,compose,produce,arrange her own songs and also for other artists. Celine doesn’t.This is not your opinion,but a fact .
    -Fact: Carey’s vocal style and singing ability has significantly impacted popular and contemporary music. Music critic G. Brown from The Denver Post wrote, “For better or worse, Mariah Carey’s five-octave range and melismatic style have influenced a generation of pop singers.”[206] According to Rolling Stone, “Her mastery of melisma, the fluttering strings of notes that decorate songs like “Vision of Love,” inspired the entire American Idol vocal school, for better or worse, and virtually every other female R&B singer since the Nineties.”[207] Beyoncé Knowles credits Carey’s singing Mariah influence so many artists by her sing style and her voice . (Beyonce,Christina,Kelly,Jessica,Rihanna,Backstreet Boys,Nsync,etc…). This is not your opinion at all,but a fact.
    -Carey is also credited for introducing R&B and hip-hop into mainstream pop culture,and for popularizing rap as a featuring act through her post-1995 songs.This is a fact,not an opinion.
    -Mariah’s full 5 otave vocal range is a fact,not an opinion.Everyone heard of it through her songs.
    -Facts: Mariah got a most beautiful,powerful ,flexible,silky and technical voice than Celine.It’s proved by all Mariah’s songs like,Emotions,Melt Away,Lookin’ in,Against All Odds,Oh Santa,Fourth Of July,My Saving Grace,etc…every musical experts like Simon Cowell recognize it.Artists like:Kelly Clarkson,Christina Aguilera,etc…Medias: Guinness World Records,Blender Magazine,MTV Countdown , online polls,objective music fans,etc…agree with it.So don’t try to say that it’s subjective in the same way it’s would not subjective to say that Celine got a better voice than Cher or Britney Spears).Is this subjective to say that Britney spears or Lady Gaga don’t have better voice than Christina Aguilera and Leona Lewis ? No,obviously.
    Awards can be subjective when they doesn’t honored a real achievement or skill from an artist.But facts stay facts,either they are awarded or not awarded.
    So,don’t try to reduce achievements and assets of an artist to only her sales and her Awards.
    (Celine got major Awards/distinctions over Mariah only since 2004 .Most of Celine’s awards are local awards,cause they doesn’t honor any international artists unlike Mariah’s).Mariah would even have more awards than Celine as Mariah is more talentuous and have more musical/professional assets than Celine .Celine can just sing.
    About certifications,there is no need for me to bring any here,as I used the ones posted by you in the Madonna or Mariah debate.It’s enough to prove that I really right when I said that Mariah Carey sold more albums worldwide than Celine.

  91. Lucky Luke 7 says:

    @ TRISH

    Why do you repost ? My Answer is still POST 90 !

    Check the links with an open mind and face reality as it

    is.

  92. Lucky Luke 7 says:

    @ TRISH

    You wrote Mariah has 81 number 1s ? How’s that ?

    She has only released 67 singles ! ouch !

    Don’t mention the word contradictory again ;-)

    You are totally ignorant to talk about sales.

  93. Lucky Luke 7 says:

    01. Everything you posted on Mariah’s voice and

    contribution are 100 percent RIGHT and well-sourced.

    Gongrats on this. See ? when there are links you are

    more than happy to mention them…(cove magazine etc)

    This will never happen with Mariah’s sales you post of

    course because there are not such links !

    02.Voice is something so subjective ! They are two

    aspects in each topic.

    Mariah has recieved bad reviews for her singing from

    music critics and fans alike during her Rainbow Tour.

    Plus Mariah , unlike Celine , has two of her Studio

    albums being panned for her breathy , week vocals.

    One of them is Charmbracelet.

    allmusic.com/album/charmbracelet-r617273/review

    So if Mariah has more records praising her voice , she

    definitely has more bad reviews (album & tours) about

    her voice.

    Do these prove Mariah is worse than Celine ?

    Answer : NO.

    03.Both Celine and Mariah have sang ”O Holy Night” .

    I think Celine’s version is better. You think Mariah’s

    version is better. Celine’s version was voted as the

    best version of the song ! (I will find a link on this)

    Does this mean Celine is better , cause she ”owns”

    Mariah in the one and only common song of their careers ?

    ANSWER : No

    04.Celine has been praised for her vocals by music

    critics and singers such as Lara Fabian , Lucciano

    Pavarotti , Andrea Bocelli , Josh Groban , Il Divo ,

    Barbra Streisand ! All of them apparently not only

    collaborated with her but also have much stronger voices

    than Rihanna , Beyonce , Aguilera etc etc !

    Still this doesn’t prove Celine is better than Mariah !

    05.Of course it a fact that MJ Dances better than

    M.Bolton cause M.Bolton doesn’t dance ! As far as we

    know both Mariah and Celine are great singers so

    their ”difference” in skills can’t be THAT huge like

    Jackson’s compared to Bolton’s dancing skills !

    06.Undeniable facts on their voices is the fact that

    Mariah uses the whistle register and melismatic style

    while Celine is a stronger belter.

    07.All Mariah songs you mentioned prove Mariah is

    flexible but as you probably know Celine is flexble as

    well…Le blues du businessman , Sorry for love ,

    I Surrender , Naked , Seduces Me , The First Time Ever

    I Saw Your Face , It’s a man’s world , Show Must Go On

    , The Prayer ! All different types of songs , different

    styles , different emotions.

    RESULT —> Voice is SUBJECTIVE cause as you see not

    only fans but even music critics have different opinions.

    If you still disagree keep your opinion for yourself and

    don’t insist on this anymore !

    08.On Skills. I have told you before Mariah is a better

    songwriter , producer. Celine is a better performer.

    Better performer means -> she has better stage presence ,

    she has a better connection with the crowd , she knows

    how to dance/move in an elegant way.

    Plus Celine is a better interpreter , proved by

    significant albums such as ”Dion Chante Plamondon” ,

    ”Miracle” and ”D’Elles” !

    09.I disagree to what you said ”Celine just sings” !

    The fact that she writes lyrics less often than Mariah,

    and that she takes smaller part to the production of her

    albums than Mariah doesn’t mean that Celine

    ”JUST SINGS” !

    I have to say this ”sounds” like a hater comment.

    I would never say ”Mariah doesn’t tour” because

    Celine tours more often ! I would never say

    ”Mariah has 0 stage presence” because Celine is

    feels cool and calm on stage !!

    There is no need to be cmpetitive on skills..!

    10.Contribution -> All you said about Mariah’s

    contribution is right ! But lets not forget

    Celine’s contribution to AC Music , to French culture ,

    her awards for her contribution and finally and most

    important the fact that she has helped countless

    young artists to begin/boost their career !!

    Examples -> Garou , Delta Goodrem , Josh Groban ,

    Il Divo , Charice , Marc Dupre , Nathalie Nechtschein

    to mention a few !

    I am not saying all this to prove Celine is better

    but just to show you everyone has a different opinion

    for such amazingly talented people like Mariah and

    Celine.

    11.It is more interesting chating with you for skills etc

    cause you really know many things you can actually prove

    unlike our endless fights on sales ! cause there

    you support theories you can’t even prove and this

    is why you avoid posting links,sth you did about Mariahs

    skills..!

    12.On Sales now…

    The lie you mentioned about 81 number 1’s is really

    out of this world ! lol !

    I Told to be careful and you keep posting lie after lie.

    You call me a liar because of differences of 1 or 2m

    copies in some albums.

    How should I call you when you come here to say

    that All I Want For Xmas is you sold over 20m copies ?

    How should I call you when you say Glitter sold 5m

    copies,which is more than Taking Chances , despite the

    fact that Taking Chances outsold Glitter In Europe ,

    Africa , Canada , Australia , while being equal in Us..!

    13.The only weapons you have is a millenium award

    (11 years AGO) and Chopard Diamond Award in 2003..! And

    of course when it comes to Celine you say her awards are

    irrelevant.

    Mariah got the Diamond award in 2003 for album sales of

    150m and since she sold almost 20m albums more.

    So her total since 1990 comes to 170m albums.

    Links that PROVE Mariah got her award For 150 million

    album sales

    back in 2003 -> Mariahcarey.com/news/awards.php

    —> Mariahcarey.com/news/awards.php

    These Two links are from MARIAH’S OFFICIAL SITES !

    —> celebrity9.com/mariahcarey/biography.html

    Celine got the Diamond Award in 2004 for sales over 175

    million albums

    Proof -> canada.com/topics/news/story.html?id=90da7aa0
    -f97e-4bc1-9985-1fb521cf0d5e&k=20045

    –> ctv.ca/CTVNews/Entertainment/20040914/dion_award040914/

    Plus Check her Official site as well.

    Celine —> 190m albums & 50m singles since 1990

    Mariah —> 170m albums & 60m singles since 1990

    Celine suprasses her in total sales and this is why the

    industry and media give Celine the title of the best

    seller of the last 20 years. so simple.

    13.In addition to awards / media / IFPI Records etc

    Celine sells out huge stadiums around the globe and

    sells millions of dvds.

    As of 2010 Mariah has 4 consecutive flops.(not only low

    sellers-but FLOPS) Her new Xmas album barely sold 500k.

    She doesn’t tour that much. She wasn’t great at this

    even at her prime time.

    She doesn’t sell DVDs as Celine.

    Her album sales are even small In Us and Japan

    nowadays.I won’t even talk about Canada and Europe.

    As of 2010 Celine’s future seems so bright in the

    industry with all these certifications her latest

    albums got. (D’Elles , Taking Chances , My Love)

    After the 2nd highest grossing tour ever & after her

    2010 DVDs sales that combined reached the 1m mark. Her

    new Vegas Show is already sold out.

    She is stable seller,unlike Mariah,worldwide and she

    already passed the ”ageism” test in Us cause she

    managed to reach platinum (album and DVD sales) and

    sold out all arenas , while being over 40 years old !

    You can’t be subjective when it comes to sales.

    Mariah sold less than Celine worldwide and this is why

    she (combine what I’m gonna write) 01.Has less recent

    awards 02.there is no huge crowd demanding for her

    perfomances

    03.media never give her the title of the best seller

    the last 5 years 04.she has no IFPI awards

    05.she flopped so many times during this decade.

    06.She appears in NO lists of best sellers during the 00s

    This is just contradictory..!

    07.And most of all , as you have proved many times,

    there is not even ONE link in WHOLE internet proving

    she is ahead of Mrs Celine Dion.

  94. Mariah4ever! says:

    Yes,Mariah got 81 number 1 Hits worldwide,not 81 different singles reached # 1 status idiot,inform yourself about number 1 hits worldwide.Celine Dion doesn’t sing beside Mariah Carey,she’s a great vocalist beside artist like Cher,Britney Spears and Lady Gaga.Even Beyonce,Leona and Christina have a better voice than Celine.Celine got only power,nothing else.Do Celine fans could talk about melismas or low notes for Celine? Do Celine got even one melismatic or soulful song ???Celine is in the same level than Barbra.Aretha is too much skillfull on soulfull melismas to be compare with Celine.Come on,Celine doesn’t deserve to be compare on voice with incredible vocalists as Mary J Blige,Toni Braxton,…WHITNEY HOUSTON, MARIAH CAREY !!!! About sales,your lies can’t change nothing on the fact that Mariah sold more albums worldwide than Celine !

  95. Lucky Luke 7 says:

    I Don’t care about your opinion :)

    I Never lied…Stick to the fact that according to Mariah

    Official Site and World Music Awards (combine these two)

    Mariah had sold 150m albums since 2003.

    If you think you are going to upset me by posting

    generic sentences ”Mariah sold more” , ”Celine can’t

    compete with her” etc , you are seriously misled ,

    like Celine would say. xD

  96. Lucky Luke 7 says:

    PS : I don’t know why you mention melismas ! lmao ! did

    I say anything on melismas ? I only said Mariah excells

    when it comes to melismatic singing and then you come

    here to say Celine is as good as Britney !

    Jesus ! What a funny hating comment xD

  97. Lucky Luke 7 says:

    01.MARIAH CAREY 9m Us , 1m Europe , 1m Japan , 700k

    Canada, 150k Australia —> Almost 12m —> 18m

    Worldwide.

    02.EMOTIONS 4m Us , 1m Europe , 1m Japan , 400k Canada ,

    70k Australia —> 6.5m —> 9m Worldiwde

    03.MUSIC BOX 10m Us , 7m Europe , 2m Japan , 700k Canada

    1m Austrlia —> 21m —> 30m Worldwide

    04.MERRY XMAS 5m Us , 1m Eur , 2.5m Japan , 350k Austr ,

    100k Canada , 300k –> 9m —> 14m

    05.DAYDREAM 10m Us , 3m Europe , 2m Japan , 700k Canada ,

    700k Australia —> 16.5m —> 25m Worldwide

    06.BUTTERFLY 5m Us , 1m Europe , 1m Japan , 300k Canada ,

    150k Australia —> 7.5m —> 12m Worldwide

    07.NUMBER 1S 5m Us , 2m Europe , 3m Japan , 300k Canada ,

    70k Australia —> Almost 11m —> 17m Worldwide

    08.RAINBOW —> 3m Us , 2m Europe , 1m Japan , 200k Can ,

    Australia 35k —> 6.5m —> 10m Worldwide

    09.GLITTER —> 1m Us , – Europe , – Canada , 200k Japan

    —> Worldwide 3m

    10.CHARMBRACELET —> Same as Glitter 3m

    11.GREATEST HITS —> Same as Gliter 3m

    12.The Emancipation Of Mimi –> 6m Us , 1m Eur , 300k Can

    200k Japan , 70k Austrlia —> 7.5m —> 11m

    13.E=MC2 —> 1m Us —> 3m Worldwide

    14.Memoirs Of An Imperfect Angel—> Gold Us —> 1m

    Worldwide

    15.Merry Xmas To You —> Gold Us —> 700k Worldwide

    & 6m MTV Live & 500k Ballads & 1m Remixies & 300k

    Playlist and Valentines.

  98. Mariah4ever ! says:

    To Lucky Luke: Why not compare Britney’s voice to Celine’s ? Just because Celine screams in her songs and Britney doesn’t ?
    This is a hating comment to compare Mariah’s voice to Celine’s.This a hating comment to compare Celine’s O Holy Night to Mariah’s !
    All that you said about sales are LIES !

  99. TRISH says:

    @ Lucky Luke
    Use your brain,ignorant.Mariah has 81 number 1 hits worldwide , with 23 different singles. What a retarded mind you are ! Idiot ! Madonna has 45 # 1 worldwide with one single : Hung Up. See ? More than all Celine’s # 1 hits in the world with her 22 most successful singles ( Celine got 43 # 1 hits with 22 different singles ) .So with one single ,Madonna surpass Celine on amount of # 1 hits worldwide.Now you understand why Mariah Carey doesn’t have the need to release 81 different singles for totalizing 81 # 1 hits in the world ? So you see that the only ignorant here is you !
    -You said that I will never give sources for Mariah’s sales that I post unlike what I did for her voice ,but it’s not my fault ,it’s rather the fault of subjective and partial institutions which destroy their own credibility when they lie about sales of some artists and are unable to prove them.Some of these so-called prestigious institutions had prove that they lied many times in their sale statements and estimations, some others are still unable to prove the sales that they claim for some artists and can’t even show detailed datas proving their claims.So these institutions are doubtful , and I can’t refer my arguments to doubtful sources,sorry.That’s why I don’t trust most of these source and don’t give them for Mariah’s sales.I refer my arguments to non-interpreted datas , separated and free datas from interpretations. Unlike sales ,anyone can lie about the vocal abilities of an artist . Vocal qualities and abilities can’t be biased and falsified,nor talent and musical skills since they are obvious to everyone .Sales are expressed by numbers and numbers can be changed .Sales estimations can be exaggerated,falsified and subjective or being simply wrong ( that’s why there is institutions who had made huge gap surpassing 100 million album sales ).So yes,statements on vocal abilities and talent can be more reliable than sales statements.So I am more than happy to mention them.

    About critics on vocals,First : Mariah Carey is considered as the ultimate voice,that’s rightly why Medias and the musical industry usually call her The Voice.Everyone already know that she surpass other female artists on vocal qualities & abilities.Polls and expert’s opinion also support it as Mariah tops all the lists of best voices worldwide unlike Celine which never top any kind of these lists .There is huge difference between Mariah’s voice and Celine’s ( for example,Celine is ranked 9th better voice while Mariah is ranked 1rst ).So, vocally Celine is far behind Mariah.Therefore ,even if Mariah has many bad reviews doesn’t mean other voices equal hers on qualities and capabilities. The critics concern only the artist in the work that they make their statements .For example ,Mariah’s bad reviews for her singing during a tour or in an album never mean that her voice became worse than Celine or Beyonce respective voices when Celine and Beyonce receive good reviews for their respective Tours/albums.Critics judge the vocal performances of artists in accordance with their own vocal potential /skills,not comparatively to other artists.Mariah’s vocal potential is bigger than Celine’s,Beyonce’s,Mary j Blige’s,etc…and much more bigger than Cher’s or Britney’s .Sometimes ,Mariah had receive negative reviews relatively to her extraordinary and unique vocal potential which is superior to any other female artists.Mariah’s vocal potential is superior to Celine’s,that’s why critics are particulary severe with Mariah.She receive bad reviews from critics,cause the critics know that she use rarely her entire vocal potential and her best ,and waste it unlike Celine and many other artists which receive good reviews.Indeed,Celine always do her best to show the power and the volume of her voice ( which are the essential qualities of Celine’s voice,for not saying the only merit of her voice, cause her voice is poor beside Mariah’s voice though it’s much more rich than average female voices ) by belting loudly in Pop songs.Most of Mariah’s negative reviews from critics are due to the musical style Mariah chose to sing ( hip-hop,R&B,etc…) cause these musical genres hide Mariah’s vocal qualities and doesn’t bring out her vocal extraordinary capabilities ( power,volume,loudness,flexibility,etc…). However,when Mariah sing Pop songs,she shows that her voice had an endless list of qualities,skills and abilities that Celine’s voice haven’t.For example,for Touch My Body,some critics ( negative ) reproached Mariah to do not showing her vocal power and her” legendary full 5 octave ranges “ ( the words of the critics ) through this song That’s why critics call some of these vocal performances weak sometimes.Besides,don’t confound when Mariah is nervous sometimes on stage that make her sing breathy with Celine’s natural nasal voice wether she’s on studio or on stage,there is a huge difference on this.And Celine’s nasal voice damage her songs much more than Mariah’s rare breathy vocal performances on stage.Everyone know Mariah have a much better technical voice than Celine.Critics put Mariah’s vocal standards higher than Celine’s cause Mariah’s voice is much more rich than Celine’s and it got not just volume and power unlike Celine’s voice.
    About the respective versions of Mariah’s and Celine’s O Holy Night, Mariah’s version is undeniably the best version by far !Mariah’s O Holy is also much more popular worldwide than the Celine’s version,and is considered as the best version ever of this song.It was even a Christmas hit in the Caribbean and someparts else worldwide unlike Celine’s.There is also many wide-range voice female vocalists which had perform Mariah’s version of O Holy Night ,unlike Celine’s (which is too average and too predictable obviously ).Rachelle Ferell,Nina ( a philipian singer) … and many many other artists ,and also Michael Bolton ! In his Christmas album “ This is A Time”,Michael Bolton sang Mariah’s version of O Holy Night ( with the same music sample including the same background vocals,etc…).So yes,Mariah’s version of O Holy Night is better than Celine’s by very far .
    Now in my opinion,Mariah’s O Holy Night is the best Christmas rendition ever,so I don’t even compare it to Celine’s version.Celine’s version is very average ,too common and not really different to all other renditions of this song.Its also very predictable and too regular .Celine just insert the word “ Noël “ in the place of “ o night divine “,nothing else.And at the end Celine just emit a long and straight belting with the word “Noel “,which is not a particular sing asset.Maybe it’s brilliant beside some other renditions of this song but next to Mariah’s rendition,not at all !!!!!Mariah’s O Holy Night beat Celine’s at 100 % !Mariah’s version is absolutely amazing and very different to all other versions .She made many skillful changes in the verses and sang it with her unique virtuosity.Her version is also abundant on emotions and gives chills.Same goes for their respective versions of The Star Spangled Banner and O Come all Ye Faithfull,that I even not have the need to comment.Everyone with healthy ears and good sense of art will agree that Mariah’s renditions are by far much better than Celine’s.
    You said Celine has been praised for her vocals by music critics and singers such as Lara Fabian,Luciano Pavarotti,Josh Groban,etc… and then ? That’s proves nothing. What is the connection with Mariah Carey ? They haven’t compared her voice with Mariah’s in their statements.Do you mean that the fact by which those artists express admiration for Celine’s voice means Celine’s voice is as good as Mariah’s ? I dare think that this is not what you mean.Could we ever name the endless list of artists whom express admiration for Mariah’s very extraordinary voice ,her multiple musical assets and her particular talent ? No ,we couldn’t.So Mariah is better on this.
    About vocal flexibility,you just mention some Blues /Jazz songs from Celine, that doesn’t prove anything about a particular vocal flexibility of Celine.I used to listen these Celine’s songs,her vocals is averagely flexible in them ( like other’s blues,jazz and Soul songs from any skilful vocalist : Barbra Streisand,Aretha Franklin,Patti Labelle,Christina Aguilera ,etc…).So no,Celine’s level of vocal flexibility can’t match with Mariah’s exceptional and extraordinarily vocal flexibility ! There is a very great difference among them that is more than obvious. Maybe Celine Dion’s voice is flexible ( obviously as such a singer and even better as such a vocalist )but admit it or not ,Mariah’s voice is much more flexible.Mariah’s voice is extraordinarily elastic and stretchable ,unlike all other female voices including Celine Dion’s.Celine’s vocal flexibility is just good but Mariah’s sounds super-human ! I also have to notice that Whitney Houston’s voice is much more flexible than Celine’s too,although Whitney can’t compete with Mariah in vocal flexibility.Moreover ,This is not me nor you who can prove this but their respective songs ! So,you see your reasoning is wrong.

    About vocal strength, Mariah’s voice beat Celine’s by far ! Name me a Celine’s song proving that her voice could really beat Mariah’s on strength and power,I’ll name you many of Mariah’s beating the ones you would cite for Celine .Celine strongest vocal note is in the song All By Myself ( just the word ANYMORE ) which is not impressive beside Mariah’s strongest notes. And there is so many other artists which had reach that note so many times .Whitney Houston surpasses Celine’s strongest vocal notes in many of her songs.However,how many artists could ever reach Mariah’s strongest vocal notes ? No one. Lucky Luke,Mariah’s voice is very special unlike Celine’s,don’t try to deny it since it’s obvious for everyone.

    It’s a hating comment talking about Celine’s talent ( producting,writing,composing,arranging skills ) beside Mariah’s ! Celine is the less involved female artist in her music whereas Mariah is the most involved female artist ! Celine,even can’t be compared with Madonna,Whitney,Britney,Janet, Cgristina Aguilera etc…on musical skills,cause all these women take part in their respective songs unlike Celine.However,Mariah surpass all these women as she give more than 90 % of her musical material ) Celine is involved in her songs at …3 % ? ).So,this is useless to compare Celine with Mariah on those points.
    About interpretation,Celine is light years behind Mariah on this.Just compare their respective version of O Holy Night,The Star Spangler Banner,O Come All Ye Faithfull and you’ll see the huge difference by which Mariah beat Celine.
    -About dance skills,you make everyone laugh ,because you confound comedic moves with dance.You can talk about dance for Madonna,Janet,Beyonce,etc… But Celine? Hahaha! This is so ridiculous ! Dear Lucky Luke,Celine never dance,you just confound comedic moves with dance.Celine make comedic moves on stage while Mariah make sexy moves.Can we just imagine Celine making sexy moves ? It would be very weird .No,she just can make comedic moves and pull faceswhich really amaze people…Lol ! I recognize that Celine got much more success with her Comedic moves and her pull faces on stage than Mariah with her sexy moves and dance.But about dance,Mariah is a very great dancer beside Celine.
    About sales,I already proved in the Blog Mariah or Madonna that Mariah beat Celine with respectable advantage. So Mariah is a better artist than Celine in all means !
    Mariah Carey is the undeniable winner !

  100. Lucky Luke 7 says:

    @ TRISH

    MARIAH CAREY

    OFFICIAL SITE

    mariahcarey.com/news/awards.php

    LABEL

    nme.com/artists/mariah-carey

    BIOGRAPHY

    celebrity9.com/mariah-carey/biography.html\

    All lead to the same direction -> 150m albums since 2003.

    Any proof at all she sold 170m albums by then ? NO

    If you can’t trust any source you are provided with

    cause they are not ”reliable”how can I be persuaded by

    you and your pointless comments ?

    What are you doing here ? Trying to prove

    to people Mariah sold more than Celine without using

    any solid fact ? Well if all links that put your fake

    arguments to shame can’t do this , you can at least

    imagine how pointless your ”blah blah” seems to me.

    END OF STORY !

    On Skills , I am not answering to a person that believes

    sings as good as Britney. Take this back and we talk

    again on this !!

    On Sales ,

    YOU CALLED ME CONTRADICTORY BECAUSE YOU DISAGREED WITH

    MY SALES AT 1m or 3m FROM EACH CELINE AND MARIAH ALBUM.

    NOW SEE THIS :

    You said Mariah has sold 50m albums in Asia and Celine

    20m albums there.

    You also said Mariah sold 64m albums in Us and Celine

    51m albums there.

    You also said Mariah sold 25m albums in Europe and Celine

    55m. (IFPI Award In 2003)

    In Australia I Proved they are neck by neck with Celine

    being ahead for 200k , she has 35 platinum

    certifications there and Mariah 32k but all in this

    difference is irrelevant so let’s say they are equal.

    In Canada Celine sold 15m copies and Mariah 5m and don’t

    even dare to challenge that !

    Celine holds the title of the best seller of all time

    in Afirca with 3m albums sold in SOUTH Africa alone.

    She has also suprassed Mariah in North America. But let’s

    leave these markets out of the game.

    SO

    You have 50m & 64m & 25m & 5m & 3m -> 147m for Mariah

    And 20m & 51m & 55m & 15m & 3m -> 144m for Celine

    according to you !

    And then you come here to say that Mariah sold 200m

    worldwide and Celine 160m – 170m albums !

    You bring their difference to 30-40m albums while the

    ”facts” YOU brought show their difference stands at

    3m or let’s say at 10m if you still believe Mariah

    sold more in Australia or N.America etc ! Still this

    figure is way ahead the 30-40m difference you posted.

    WHAT A FU**ING CONTRADICTORY HATER ! DISMISSED !

    If IFPI and BILLBOARD are unreliable how should we call

    you ? ? ?

    On the number 1s parody I make no comment …

    Oh Yeah ! And breeding and education are proved by

    the way you seem to respect all people no matter

    their choices ! Education is proved by not using

    words ”slut” , ”ass” , ”mother fu**er” ,

    ”pervert” and all the other things you said.

    Besides , you keep talking about Mariah and it is

    obvious that her music hasn’t taught you the way it

    should ! Cause You should be spreading love and

    positivity like a real Mariah or Celine fan would do and

    not insulting singers and people in debates ! And if you

    think you are above all Madonna’s fans ( that shouldn’t

    judge you like YOU said )… well… stay there

    and don’t ”drop” yourself to their level , cause you

    are always the first one to insult with horrible

    vocabulary only men living in the street use !!

    Such a shame !

  101. Lucky Luke 7 says:

    01.VOICE

    Celine Dion has recorded 23 studio albums and 6

    Live albums during her career while Mariah has recorded

    13 studio albums and 1 live album ! Plus

    Celine’s albums consist of more songs.

    Celine has toured to promote her albums since she was

    not even an adult resulting to a massive number of at

    least 1.545 concerts ! Mariah has performed at like 180

    concerts lasting about an hour each while Celine’s

    shows last almost 2 hours !

    After these facts no need to prove who has the most

    restful voice.

    I really don’t know what makes you so defensive. I said

    Mariah hits whistle notes like nobody else and that she

    excels in melsimatic singing as well.

    When it comes to belting , volume and full voice sorry

    but she didn’t hold a candle next to Celine even at her

    prime time !

    There are only a few songs during Mariah’s career where

    she belts -> Without You , Forever , Never Too Far ,

    Butterfly , Lead The Way …

    Plus how many LIVE performances are saved from these songs

    ? ? ? 1 ? 2 ? 0 ?

    Celine Dion not only belts out songs effortlessly but

    she also sings them live ! I can bring you at least

    10 LIVE performances of All By Myself , My Heart Will Go

    On , Think Twice , The Power Of Love (Before 1997 when

    it was really live) and so on…

    Mariah always do the same tricks to her songs.

    A little bit breathy , a little bit melisma , a gospel

    choir and a whistle note at the end ! well…this is more

    a lesson of decorating a song than Pure singing..!

    Put Mariah and Celine to use their full voices and

    Celine wins , not only in studio recordings but also

    live.

    Moreover,Mariah gets a bad reviews (something that

    never happened to Celine , 31 years now !!) when she

    doesn’t sing to the level she should like you said

    but other times it is really because she sucks ! not

    just for her level , but for Rihanna level !

    Studio recordings such as ”through the rain” are

    really weak vocally. ”bringing on the heartbreak” –

    a good cover – was only saved by the whistle notes

    towards the end of the song.

    There are at least 5 bad performances of Mariah the

    last 3 years that come to my mid, while I can’t think of

    any bad singing for Celine…except for her live

    performance of Taking Chances at UK / X Factor when she

    was sick.

    Everyone says Mariah’s voice became worse during the

    Daydream era…And people think Celine’s voice became

    too nasal after Vegas , which is true..!

    Celine has a more classically influenced voice , while

    Mariah’s voice is soulful !

    Mariah is more flexible cause she could sing a pop

    ,soul,jazz song in 3 different ways.

    But Celine is more flexible when it comes to type of

    songs..!

    She can sing songs from classical music (The Prayer ,

    I Knew I Loved You , I Hate You Then I Love You etc)

    to rock music (Show Must Go On , Where Does My Heart

    Beat Now) , from bluesy songs ( Tous Les Blues Sont

    Ecrites Pour Toi , Les Uns Contre Les Autres) to

    imitation of live musical instruments (Le Ballet Live) !

    Could you imagine Mariah singing next to a tenor ? NO

    She doesn’t have the proper voice to do so…

    Her Adeste Fideles Version is by far THE WORST track

    on her latest album ! Her voice doesn’t mix at all

    with her mothers , who apparently sounds like a man

    at high notes..! You hear an old lady screaming

    and Mariah doing whistle notes ! Jesus !

    There are much better songs in this album , that at

    last proved Mariah is back at the ”vocal” game after

    the disappointing E=MC2 and Memoirs that were full

    of EASY radio friendly songs to sing !

    Finally,don’t bring up again any magazine lists because

    they are fan made ! LOL ! Us people would logically

    vote for Mariah…Plus 3 or 7 places down doesn’t mean

    that much.

    So according to my opinion , Celine has stronger volume ,

    is a better belter , Mariah has powerful whistle notes ,

    much better melismatic style while they are both

    flexible…!

    BUT at the end of the day I insist it really stupid

    comparing a woman that has overused her voice not only

    in studio albums but also in touring to a woman

    that is basically a studio artist with a restful voice.

    02.DANCE

    … Comedian moves ? YOU ARE A HATER !

    Celine dances perfectly for an AC Singer…Don’t

    compare her with Madonna cause Madonna is a mainstream

    singer and her shows are based on dancing !

    Check performances of Refuse to dance , eyes on me ,

    river deep mountain high to see that Celine moves

    with an elegant way on stage !

    The comedian moves and facial expressions are used

    when she just wants to have fun with her fans…!

    Don’t mix these two just to make a point !

    When Celine dances she dances , when she wants to be

    clumsy she is clumsy , when she wants to make you

    get emotional , she will probably make you cry !!!

    She is 100 times better on stage than Mariah

    not only because she can’t dance but furthermore because

    Mariah moves in a weird / awkward way while singing.

    Mariah HAS NOT GOT STAGE FRIGHT ISSUES !

    She got over them long ago…how could anyone say

    Mariah has stage issues when she appeared half naked

    during her TEOM concerts… Boobs out , Legs out ,

    and she had a great fun time singing up tempo-happy

    songs such us ”its like that” , ”shake it off”..!

    SONGWRITING

    On songwriting/producing skills for the 3rd time I

    will say that Mariah is better ! Don’t repeat anything

    on this please !

    I just act in defensive way because Celine is not

    useless at songwriting etc like haters keep babbling.

    CONTRIBUTION

    They are equal here ! Mariah is a great example of

    singing for rnb mainstream artists like Beyonce, Rihanna

    etc…Celine is a standard for AC artists.

    Mariah has influenced hip-hop artists in Us like you

    said.

    Celine’s influence is shown in Europe and of course

    her impact in French singing / culture is incomparable.

    So they are both great.

    Now go on and attack to Celine saying Mariah is

    better in everything ! LOL.

    For Me…Voice : Equal , Stage Skills : Celine ,

    Songwriting : Mariah , Contribution : Equal !

    You are a good debater at skills…In sales you still

    suck xD

  102. Mariah4ever ! says:

    Britney Spears’s voice is as flexible as Celine’s ,she proves it in many of her songs,like I’m Not A Girl .Britney just treasures her voice and doesn’t belt unlike Celine.Moreover,Her voice is much more beautiful than Celine since it’s not nasal .Britney also releases more emotions in her songs than Celine.So,no Celine’s voice is not better than Britney’s.
    About dance skills,Celine is in the same league than Susan Boyle .Britney is in the league of greatest dancers like Madonna,Beyonce,Rihanna,etc…

    Britney kills Celine on dance songs .Celine even hadn’t any dance song who was a hit anywhere worldwide.She’s so clumsy on dance songs !Mariah had an endless amount !
    Britney Spears beat Celine on sales . She’s already ahead Celine on singles sales . About album sales, Britney is neck on neck with Celine.Britney is the best selling female artist of this decade,while Celine is …20th best selling .Mariah Carey is the best selling artist overall for the 1990 ( the most successful decade ) decade ,then of all times .So Mariah is ahead all of them .

  103. MOFF says:

    1. Madonna is ahead all of them.

    2. Celine has a better voice than Britney – so tell me why Britney always used Playback, Celine didnt. Could Britney sing My heart will go on ?
    Its all coming back to me now ?

    3. Celine has sold more albums, than Britney.

    Its proved.

    tzt zt tzt ..

  104. Lucky Luke 7 says:

    @ MariahCareyFan

    You once again fail to uspet me :P You’re just gonna

    burn in hell for this post ! lol !

    @ Moff … Thanx…Now it is kinda funny dealing with

    uneducated trolls.

  105. Momo says:

    Moff,Mariah’s voice is better than Celine’s because Celine can’t sing Mariah’s songs like Emotions,Melt Away,Bliss,Mine Again,Anytime You Need A Friend,You’re So Cold,We Belong Together,Fly Like A Bird ,Fourth Of July,Circles,Loverboy,Fantasy,I’ll Be Lovin’ You Longtime,etc…

  106. Lucky Luke 7 says:

    @ Momo

    …I respect your opinion :) I bet you do the same about

    mine ;-)

    I am not surprised or upset when I hear people saying

    they prefer Mariah over Celine or the opposite.

    It’s ok…

    But I have to comment on your argument cause it

    lacks music knowledge…

    You say Celine can’t sing I’ll Be Loving You Long Time

    for instence ! … Uhmm…why ? what is so difficult

    with this song ? It is easy and radio friendly.

    Loverboy ? Fantasy ? ts ts…

    I could go on just like you to say Mariah could never

    sing The Prayer , or rock with Show Must Go On but

    I won’t … this hating fight has got to end..!

    Like them but most of all respect these artists ;-)

  107. Momo says:

    I adress my post to Moff,not to you.

  108. TRISH says:

    @Lucky Luke:Momo is 100 % right,Celine can’t sing any of the songs that he cited for Mariah.Mariah can sing any Celine’s song,everyone know that ! .The fact that Mariah’s voice is most restful isn’t an excuse cause Celine’s voice hasn’t as much qualities/abilities to preserve unlike Mariah’s anyway. Do people take account of Whitney Houston’s personal struggles and her use of drugs and crack which destroy her legendary voice ,when they say that currently her voice isn’t good ? No.They simply claim that Whitney’s current voice is not good .No matter who among Celine and Mariah has the most restful voice,the question is who have the best voice and Mariah has the best voice.Moreover,Mariah’s voice was always better than Celine’s since her debut.At their respective best ,Mariah’s voice beat celine’s and at their respective worst ,Mariah’s voice still beat Celine’s . Celine’s vocal inferiority beside Mariah’s is natural and is not due to an overuse.Cause even at her very best days,Celine’s voice wasn’t as good as Mariah’s.So ,it’s pointless to base the vocal comparison on who has the most restful voice and bla blabla … Mariah ‘s voice was always better than Celine’s .
    About vocal strength ,volume and full voice,sorry but Mariah beat Celine on this ! Just cite some Celine songs showing the power and the strength of her voice over Mariah,I’ll cite to you the ones I know for Mariah and we’ll make a comparison.
    You just don’t understand what volume and vocal strength mean ! They are expressed not only on beltings ( which is the easiest way to show vocal strength and volume ),but also through the singing ( the harder way )!
    1-vocal strength through belting : Mariah is better than Celine.There is a respectable amount of songs in which Mariah belts unlike what you say : Vision Of Love,Emotions , To Be Around You,Make It Happen,Never Forget You, Whenever You Call, I Still Believe,Never Too Far,Against All Odds ,Mine Again,Circles,O Holy Night, etc…
    Like I said in my preview post,Celine’s stronger note is her belting at the end of All By Myself .Celine even admit herself in her autobiography that she hurted and damaged her vocal cords when she had hit that note ! So she can’t go any higher nor stronger. At the other hand ,Mariah had reach that note effortlessly so many times ! Mariah said about her strongest vocal notes that she never realize when she had hit them on the studios ! She realize the considerable volume and strength of her vocal notes only when she listen them at the records.That’s why she said that she doesn’t know where her notes come from and that all she realized is that she just expressed what she felt when she sang and that she had just let her emotions manage her .Therefore,if Mariah would belt knowingly and conciensciously, her strongest vocal notes,they would surpass by very far any strong note from Celine or from any other vocalist .So Mariah’s voice is stronger.
    2-Vocal strength /volume by singing ( the much harder way to show vocal strength ) : In almost all her songs,Mariah shows the strength and the volume of her voice not by belting but by singing very loudly and very highly many long verses ( sometimes the whole song ) : Emotions,Anytime You Need A Friend,Fly Like A Bird, If It’s Over,O Holy Night,Circles, Fantasy, To Be Around You,You’re So cold,Mine Again,Circles, Santa Claus Is Coming To Town, etc….Whereas I can cite only one Celine’s song in which Celine sang an entire verse very strongly like Mariah use to : Only One Road ( the final verse ).
    3-unlike Celine ,Mariah can not only hit very high notes ( not the notes of whistle register ),but also to sing on highest notes like in the songs My saving Grace ( final verse ),Mine Again ( the whole song ),Emotions ( the whole song ),If It’s Over ( final verse ),Against All Odds ( final verse ) ,etc…
    Mariah Carey can sing very high notes unlike Celine,and is able to still very flexible on this. However,on her highest notes,Celine can’t be flexible,that’s why her highest notes are always straight and that she can’t sing on this level.

    About Mariah’s bad reviews,I already answer to this in the post 100.Mariah’s vocal potential is bigger than Celine’s so the critics are more severe with her than with other vocalists.
    Sayin that Mariah sucks sometimes even for Rihanna’s level is a hating comment.
    Maybe studio recordings such as Through The Rain are weak vocally ,but it’s only relatively to Mariah’s usual songs.Besides, the final verse of this song is very powerful vocally ,and bubbled of vocal flexibilities. And at least,Bringing On The Heartbreak was saved by the whistle notes towards its end.However ,Celine even have more songs which are weak vocally ,and that are not saved by nothing : studio recordings such as One Heart .Celine 2000’s albums are bubbled of weak vocal studio recordings.
    There are many bad VOCAL performances of Celine that come to my mind and that are saved by Celine’s improvisations ( thanking and congratulating the audience ,talking with the public,etc…) towards the public and her humorous tricks.
    It’s untrue, not everyone says that Mariah’s voice became worse after Daydream era ,only haters and ignorants .Indeed,they confound the new style sang by Mariah since 1997 ( R&B/hip-hop ) with vocal decline ! Nevertheless,there are many great vocal performances in Mariah’s R&B albums that even other great vocalists could ever match ( for example, Fourth Of July is a reference of vocal smoothness,silkyness,flexibility,grace,allure,elegance and femininity,My all ,Butterfly,Whenever You Call ,Fly Away provide the album on vocal strength,power and volume,etc… ).That’s also why many of these slanderous remarks claimed that Mariah’s voice was gone after 2005.Fortunatelly,Mariah’s latest Christmas album,which is constituted by pop songs ,refute all these lies.
    Celine is not more flexible than Mariah when it comes to type of songs ! Mariah can obviously sing songs from classical music since Celine can cause Mariah’s voice is multi-colored unlike Celine’s .Mariah just doesn’t exploit this side of her voice .This is Celine’s voice which is border to certain type of songs,not Mariah’s ! Celine’s voice is poor beside Mariah’s ,that’s why she could sing all type of songs Mariah could .There is any kind of song Celine sing that Mariah couldn’t,at the other hand there is so many type of songs Mariah can sing that Celine couldn’t !
    Yes, we can imagine Mariah singing next to a tenor,Mariah would do it even better than Celine .And we don’t have to imagine it as we already hear it in her duet version of Hero with Luciano Pavarotti.
    The whole thing about Mariah’s O Come all Ye Faithfull is a slanderous remark. This song is one of the most beautiful and most amazing songs from Mariah’s latest album. When we compare Mariah’s vocal performance in this song with Celine’s in her 1998 rendition,we notice one more time many of Mariah’s vocal qualities over Celine : much more smoothness, much more flexibility, much more silkyness,much more versatility,more freshness, much more diversified and various colors of her timbre, etc…and also a more beautiful voice simply .Moreover ,Mariah’s version shows more sing skills and abilities from Mariah than Celine’s does for Celine.Mariah’s version also releases more emotions .Celine’s version is more predictable ,more regular and more straight,and shows a lack of adventurism beside Mariah’s.
    Sayin that Mariah’s mother sounds like a man is a hating comment.Maybe you just don’t know that most of opera female singers sound like this. Indeed,Mariah’s mother didn’t sing normally,she sang opera verses,so you can’t make any fair statement on her voice .So your opinion is purely ignorant .On the contrary, Mariah’s mom sounds amazing ! Her voice is incredible for her age, mature and thick female voice that still have enough flexibility and power to sing opera ! I don’t think Celine’s mom could ever do the half of what she did ! And Mariah’s mom is also a beautiful mature lady ( particulary beside Celine’s mom ).
    Finally, magazine lists are not fan made unlike the lists of sales you usually post here.They are polls all over the world. US people wouldn’t logically vote for Mariah since in accordance to what you said ,they voted for Celine as their favorite artist ! So ,you see that unlike you,US people is objective.Although they prefer Celine Dion and chose her as favorite artist ,they recognize Mariah as the best voice ever ! This proves that their opinion is valid and much more reliable than the opinion from people of other countries in which Mariah is not very popular .Could we just imagine whole French or Canadian population voting for Mariah Carey as their favorite artist over Celine ? No,never ! Only American people can be so impartial and so objective !
    Don’t challenge the list because it favor Mariah ! Furthermore,The poll was made online all over the world. So,all Celine fans ( the partial ones obviously ) had voted for Celine .So the rank is right,Mariah is the top ,the best voice ever,while Celine is ranked 9th best voice.
    So according to my opinion,Mariah Carey has stronger volume ,though she’s equal Celine on belting ( cause She doesn’t bring out her maximum potential on vocal power and volume ),Mariah got much more freshness on her voice, Much more smoothness,much more sensuality,much more flexibility ( she sound super-human ),has unique whistle notes,a very versatile voice,a stretchable, elastic voice that can go very low and very high, a very sensual / graceful voice, a unique high singing style and Mariah is a better vocal technician than Celine.Her voice can also match with much more musical genres and types than Celine’s.
    So vocally,Mariah is better.
    About dance skills,Mariah is a better dancer than Celine .You mix dance skills with stage presence topic .If Celine is a better live performer than Mariah,it’s obviously not because she’s a better dancer ! Ha ha ! Celine is just more humorist than Mariah .The very rare times Celine dances doesn’t prove she could equal Mariah on thiswhen Mariah does.Besides,they haven’t dance the same type of dance .Celine had dance for soft dance songs while Mariah had dance for Dance/R&B songs .In my opinion,Mariah’s choregraphical annexations are better than Celine’s wether they are live or in video.They are much more sexy too.Celine is not enough sexy for being compared to Mariah on dance skills ! Celine even can’t wear sexy clothes !How she could compete with Mariah on this ?
    Songwriting/composing/producing/arranging skills : Mariah wins undeniably.No comments.
    INFLUENCE :
    Mariah wins hugely ! How can you say that Celine’s influence equals Mariah’s ? You lie,Even though Celine is very successful in Europe,she have’nt significant influence there ! I am from Europe like I said before and have many relative there,particulary in France.Celine maximum influence there doesn’t relatively equals even 20 % of Mariah’s influence in US ! Of course she had influenced some artists( necessarily like any significant artist ) in France and Canada ,but not for Mariah’s level !There is a lot of other artists who are more influenting than Celine in those countries. Sayin that her impact in French singing/culture is comparable proves that you just suppose and that you don’t really know nothing about French singing culture.Very successful and very acclaimed doesn’t always mean very emulated .

    Mariah’s influence is not limited to Us only ,but worldwide ( though it’s much more significant in US and relatively in Asia).Even in europe,Mariah’s influence is respectable ! It’s particulary due to Mariah’s various sing styles ; Mariah influences artists by her R&B style and also by her Pop style ( melismatic style and powerful ballads.Celine has zero contribution on Music unlike Mariah and Madonna.Otherwise,I dare you to precise Celine’s concret contribution in music ! Lucky Luke ! You fail,Celine can’t compete with Mariah on voice in the same way Britney can’t compete with Celine on voice !

  109. LuckyLuke says:

    @ Momo !

    Really…Get Lost.

    @ TRISH !

    As I said I knew you’d come to say Mariah wins in

    everything but I didn’t expect to consider her a better

    dancer.You surprised me on this ! Anyway…

    I don’t challenge your opinion anymore on skills cause

    I couldn’t care less about it , since I don’t respect

    you at all,after the lies and contradictions you keep

    posting (I see you avoided commenting the sales

    contradiction I posted xD ) and of

    course I don’t change a thing on mine,exept for what I

    said about lists.I stand corrected in this.

    I said long ago my point of view on this topic and

    I think they shouldn’t be compared at all…!

    I think they are equal in voice,you think Mariah is

    much better…well…OK ! :-P

    PS. The hardest/strongest note in Celine’s career is not

    the ”All By Myself” note…This is what the masses

    think cause she keeps singing this particular

    song live.There are songs where her voice goes higher

    and sounds much stronger.

  110. LuckyLuke says:

    Celine has 0 contribution to music ?

    Say this to people that keep awarding her for her

    contribution to music ! If Celine has done 1 thing

    during her 31 years career is leaving her mark

    in Francophone music. And if this is not important

    to you,you really don’t know how irrelvant is for me

    Mariah’s contribution to rnb and hip hop since

    I don’t even like this kind of music ! STILL I am in

    position to recognize her achievents and contribution

    unlike you !

    You don’t know ANYTHING on Celine’s contribution and

    her significant albums.

    RESULT ——–>

    You say all these after you said you are a FAN ? ? ?

    You say she is a robot , that she has an average voice ,

    that she tours for money , that she is not a good

    dancer, that she has 0 contribution.

    Well…THIS WOMAN IS USELESS ! xD

  111. LuckyLuke says:

    youtube.com/watch?v=9KPUU-t28lg

    Mariah sings the song in a popish way. Nothing classical.

    This is why the highest rated comment in the video says

    Mariah seems like an amateur beside him. She hasn’t got

    the proper voice to sing arias. And there are many

    Celine songs Mariah couldn’t touch . Don’t delude

    yourself. Be fair with vocal legends.

  112. LuckyLuke says:

    youtube.com/watch?v=xixX75qksjc

    The highest rated comment in this video says it all.

    Celine’s crystal loud voice blends so beautiful with

    the biggest tenor ever lived.

    This is why the did a studio recording as well.

    Dance -> youtube.com/watch?v=Y9u1q8egMUI

    An example of Celine’s choreography while singing

    this dificult song.

    Mariah is a better dancer ? ha ha ha ha ha !

    You are such a blind obsessed fan. The two things

    Mariah can’t do —> 01.Dance , 02.Dress In A Classy /

    Fasion Way..!

    youtube.com/watch?v=l-glR3G707M

    I mean … come on ! I love her but as she has stated..

    she can’t dance xD

    Moving sexy is sth different ! don’t mix these two.

  113. Momo says:

    Moff,I would like to have your opinion about Mariah Vs Celine on voice,the same way you did about Celine’s Vs Britney’s voice when you said Celine has a better voice than Britney cause Britney can’t sing My Heart Will Go On and It’s All Coming Back To Me Now ! Moff answer me !

  114. MOFF says:

    @Momo :D
    Of course you can have my OPINION to Mariah vs. Celine’s voice.
    Yes, I said Celine’s voice is better than Britney, and honestly you were the first one who said Britney had a better voice than Celine.
    But actually: Voice doesn’t always mean opinion!
    Celine is a stronger voice, and can reach higher notes.
    Britney always uses playback, I seldom say live performances of her ..

    to Mariah:

    I think Mariah is a bigger power in her voice.
    She can reach higher (sometimes deeper) notes easier than Celine if you ask me, because I can hear it, its not as stressful and exhausting to reach some notes for Mariah as Celine.
    She can easily reach high notes, that Celine sings not so often.
    About power I think they are equal: I love Celine’s version of the Power of Love, its so powerful !
    But also Mariah has songs where she can prove her power in her voice: Without and many other songs.

    But I think she whistles to often in her songs but this is a matter of opinion.

    Actually, I think if Mariah wants to – she can sing more powerful but this is very difficult to say ! !

    I prefer Celine’s music but that’s a matter of opinion.. .
    So ..
    Mariah has a greater vocal ability and Celine shows more often her power in the songs, whereas Mariah is showing her vocal ability and skills -(reaching high and deep notes).
    This is my opinion.
    And to Celine’s nasal voice:

    I don’t mind. But most of her songs haven’t got these nasal noises. I hear it sometimes, like A new day has come, but I don’t mind.

  115. TRISH says:

    @Lucky Luke.You’re so delusional ! You continue your deliriums about Celine’s vocal skills,dance and contribution on music although you can’t give any concret proves ! You are so petty ! I said you about All By Myself that Celine HERSELF said it was her highest belting on studio in her autobiography “ Ma Vie,Mon Reve “,but you said that Celine got many other songs in which she outsing her belting in All By Myself,but you can’t mention any of them etc… etc….You even said that Mariah can’t Dress In A Classy / Fashion Way ! It as if you would say that Cindy Crawford and Claudia Schiffer can’t wear a dress that Susan Boyles could wear ! There is no coherence in what you said Lucky Luke ! When you try to laugh at Mariah’s dance skills beside Celine is exactly like someone who would laugh at Beyonce and Britney’s dance skills beside Susan Boyle and Barbra Streisand’s. Hahaha! Everyone will laugh at you !
    You don’t deserve that I answer to your silly and pathetic failed opinions ! What is hurting so much that Mariah has a better voice than Celine ? That’s doesn’t mean Celine’s voice is not good ! And that Mariah has significant contributions in music unlike Celine ? You always said the words “you can’t change my mind on this” How a banal question of voice,sales,etc…could ever change the mind of someone ? What matter if Mariah got a better voice than Celine since it’s true ? You think that it could reduce Celine beside Mariah if you just admit it ? and this will “change your mind” if you recognize it? It’s that is called “obsession”.You’re obsessed to give to Celine every artistical assets and achievements that she haven’t in facts,just for satisfy your hating against Mariah.You are not healthy at all Lucky Luke,you’d better see a doctor ,I say this not for upset you believe me.I am very serious ! Consult a psychologist cause you got some serious psychological problems!

  116. LuckyLuke says:

    Look who’s talking about psychological problems !

    I am clear girl…Mariah is a better songwriter ,

    producer , is more beautiful and has better melismatic

    style and not better but THE whistle notes ..!

    Celine is a better belter,performer and her volume

    is higher than Mariah’s.

    Celine’s hardest note is the note ”forever this way”

    during My Heart Will Go On.And as for long notes

    check ”I Surrender”…plus the song ”Le Blues

    Du Businessman” (performed live many / many times)

    is full of beltings at every sentence,not just 2 big

    notes like ”All By Myself”…

    Moreover…did you ever aksed yourself why Celine sings

    LIVE the song ”All By Myself” while she uses

    pre-recorded vocals for the ending note of ”Power Of

    Love” the past 15 years ? ? ? Felling stupid now,huh ?

    Let me answer this ! Because the last note of

    ”Power Of Love” is so much harder to hit !

    Same goes for the final loooooong notes of ”To Love You

    More” …..So no…All By Myself is not her harder

    song. The are songs with higher and longer notes. Move

    on and don’t dare to correct me even again when it comes

    to Celine !!

    Moreover only you desperately try to give credit to

    Mariah for everything ! Well…sorry…she can’t dance

    and her stage presence is bad even when she just sings..!

    Moreover she never sustained a long note LIVE for

    over 10 seconds,unlike Celine ! Plus Her low notes

    are breathy and sometimes it even difficult to

    understand the lyrics she sings.Am I hater here ? NO !

    Celine’s voice is annoyingly nasal nowdays…

    Check perfomances of ”Alone” or ”Because You Loved

    Me” plus she uses too much pre-recorded vocals !

    Yes, I say it without even being challenged to do so..!

    I am objective and I have the guts to admit

    my idols flaws / mistakes , unlike you that you find

    Mariah flawless , without mistakes !

    ”Mariah is the top vocalist , top creator , top impact ,

    top seller , top beauty , top actress , top dancer”

    (definitely better than celine)..

    well girl…

    TIME TO WAKE UP !

  117. LuckyLuke says:

    One correction -> Celine’s volume is not higher than

    Mariah’s , but stronger. Mariah goes higher since she

    uses the whistle register.

    I didn’t give Celine any professional asset she doesn’t

    have. I said she dances well for an AC vocalist , she

    has the stage presence she should have based on the

    emotions of each song , I said she has a great voice

    just like Mariah does and I said she is a songwriter

    producer , but of course , not to the level of Mariah !

    I don’t see why I should visit a doctor… xD

    Everything I say is proved over the years.

    —————->

    Maybe you should visit one cause you are in this debate

    for 7-8 months , babbling Mariah’s sales you STILL

    CAN’T PROVE , insisting on certifications you don’t know

    , while being the perfect example of contradiction.

    (Celine sold 175m albums by 2004 – Celine sold 160-170m

    albums in total / Mariah sold 300m records – Mariah

    sold 280m records / Mariah got Diamond Award for sales

    of 155m / Mariah got Diamond Award for sales of 170m

    and so on…) …..

    —->

    I know well you are here to provoke. I think you want

    to give us a lesson cause you think we indirectly insult

    Mariah by saying she is behind Celine and Madonna

    in total sales. So you come here to PROVOKE !

    You say Moff loves me , you insult everyone , you post

    crazy sales that you always base in Asian micro-markets..

    (still NO FACTS)

    Well…I am reading your lies for the past 4 months xD

    You don’t surprise me at all. You don’t even upset me

    anymore. Cause I know all your games…the nickname

    games,the contradiction games,the sarcasm games and

    so on…

    If you REALLY want to talk SERIOUSLY about sales

    let me know…

  118. TRISH says:

    @Lucky Luke Hahahaha! What an ignorant you are ! Mariah outsing all those Celine’s songs by her regular songs as If It’s Over,Whenever You Call,Butterfly,etc…Hahahaha! you just confound very long belt with powerful ones Hahaha! I repeat it idiot ! Celine’s higher belt, strength and power is on the song All By Myself.Mariah outsing Celine in all that she could ever do by Emotions,Against All Odds and My Saving Grace.Celine is light years behind Mariah on power and strength End Of Story !

  119. TRISH says:

    Hahaha! You doesn’t know the meaning of the word “Strongest” listen All I Want For Christmas Is You,Emotions,O Holy Night,If It’s Over,Santa Claus Is Coming To Town,etc… you could have an idea about Mariah’s strenght.Celine doesn’t got strength that’s why she can’t make powerful dance pop songs like Mariah and Whitney,all that Celine can do for show her power are very longest belts.Mariah doesn’t need to give very long belts to show her strenght.She can’t sing strongest songs like Mariah’s Emotions,You’re So Cold,Now That I Know,To Be Around You,etc… or Whitney’s I Wanna Dance With Somebody,Queen Of The Night,etc… Celine’s Misled,Love Can Move Mountains,I’m Alive are very very weak dance songs beside Mariah’s and Whitney’s.Celine’s voice fail beside Mariah’s.You fail about your silly arguments ! Hahaha !You try to make Moff more and more hounded against me ? Don’t you get shame ? Slut !
    Hahhaha!You suck ! About sales,Celine sold less albums than Mariah,your pathetic words can’t change nothing on this ! Sony BMG announce sales of 200 million records for Celine Dion in 2007.Between 2007- 2011 Celine doesn’t release internal albums.So,her total records for 2011 can’t surpass 2010 million the most ! Every objective people will agree with it ! Have a beautiful day Hahaha !

  120. MOFF says:

    “About sales,Celine sold less albums than Mariah,your pathetic words can’t change nothing on this”

    .. prove ? List?

  121. LuckyLuke says:

    @ TRISH

    Slut ? Wow !

    I know what vocal strength is. And I am not stupid enough

    to mess vocal strength with up tempo songs like you.

    Another weak argument.

    Now That I Know ? A Difficult Song ? lmao !

    The woman that sang ”THE PRAYER” can’t sing ”Now That

    I Know” ? lmao ! This proves who the ignorant is.

    Celine has stronger volume than Mariah.End Of Story ! :D

    On Sales (MY FAVORITE PART)

    You say Celine sold 200m records by 2007. So now you

    trust the labels ? Before you said we shouldn’t trust

    them…One more contradiction added to the previous.

    Moreover if I accept what you say Island Def Jam

    announced sales of 200m records for Mariah In 2011 !

    So Celine suprasses her cause like

    you said she sold over 200m records in 2007.

    Once again,you fell into your own trap !!!

    Angry much ? Yes

    Any proof what you say ? No

    THANK YOU !!! xD

  122. Momo says:

    Trish,it’s useless to continue on giving arguments about Mariah’s voice Vs Celine.I listened and compared all their respective songs that are mentioned here and Mariah’s songs beats Celine’s in everything : beauty,power,strength,loudness,flexibility,range,volume,versatility,etc….Everyone objective agree with you as your claims about their voices are right and verifiable .Mariah’s voice is better than Celine’s.
    Now,you’d better continue to debate about their album sales as we already know that Mariah beat Celine on singles sales,worldwide Hits,vocal ability,dance skills, professional skills (writing,producing ,arranging),legacy and influence,while Celine beats Mariah on Tickets sales and Tours.Now,concentrate you about their albums sales.

  123. LuckyLuke says:

    @ Momo ! / TRISH

    YOU ARE SO LAUGHABLE – JUST LIKE YOUR ARGUMENTS AND

    CONTRADICTIONS !!! xD

    TRISH I said we should stop playing nickname games.

    I mean you come here to say that ”Momo” heard all the

    songs and compared and objectively she decided Mariah

    beats Celine ! Come oooooooooon little TRISH ! :-D

    You first enter the ”Madonna Vs Mariah” debate as Trish

    and then you come here to post as Momo !

    Really ”Momo” ? Dancing skills for Mariah ?

    Then Mariah should be able to fill huge arenas

    worldwide Cause she has the BEST Voice , MORE Worldwide

    Hits , BETTER Dancing skills , more RECORD sales , More

    Contribution !

    Still…she can’t fill stadiums in Us and Japan , while

    nowadays it is hard to even reach gold or platinum there.

    I don’t even mention Canada , Africa and Europe…

    Now…Come on TRISH ! Pull yourself together for a start

    and don’t act like a hater ! It is not THAT bad saying

    Celine has a stornger volume and that she is a better

    belter / performer than Mariah when I OBVIOUSLY give the

    best credit for MC on songwriting skills , voice skills

    (melisma , whistle note,vocal runs etc) , beauty ,

    flexibility , contribution , personality ,

    sexiness , producing skills etc ! I even said Mariah has

    much more interesting music videos !

    Don’t be THAT angry and defensive. No need …really…

  124. Momo says:

    Lucky Luke, Mollo man ! I am a guy,a true guy ! What the fu** you do saying that I am Trish ? What matter if I am Trish? Did I say that you are Moff ? You think you could manipulate everyone here by your”nickname “accusations? Do Trish the only one Mariah fan on earth.So stupid ! Sorry guy ! Think anything you want.Your thoughs can refute my arguments. Mariah’s voice is better than Celine’s proving by their respective songs! Yes,Mariah beats Celine on voice and dance skills.

  125. TRISH says:

    @Lucky Luke: Momo and me are the same person? Hahaha! Really funny !So,everyone who doesn’t agree with your lies is me ? What a pathetic failure !
    @ Momo. Thanks Momo,you are right.I’ll continue to prove that Mariah is a better album seller than Celine.
    About Celine sold 200m records by 2007 according to Sony BMG I claimed.
    1- I wanted to show you how much you’re contradictory in your arguments.As You always base your arguments on institution’s claims,links and sources,so you can’t change or disguise their claims.I just said that in accordance with the sources you used , Celine total RECORD sales had reach 200 million by 2007( including her 1980’s Quebecker sales ),not 200 million albums like you tried to make us swallow since the debut of this debate . So as we see,Celine’s total albums,singles and DVD sales combined doesn’t surpass 200 million worldwide.
    2- Unlike you, I never base my arguments on sources and institutions but on detailed datas sales and achievements themselves.So,you can’t say that I should accept the Islands Def Jam claim about Mariah’s records in the same way you did for Sony BMG about Celine.Moreover,Sony BMG is Celine’s label since her debut as an international artist ,unlike Mariah’s Island Def Jam.
    3- Columbia Records is the Label which is allowed to claim Mariah’sales, not Islands Def Jam. Columbia claimed that Mariah’s total albums sales had reach 150 million.Since 2001,Mariah’s Glitter’s sales at Virgin Records + her sales at Islands Def Jam Records would be added to her sales at Columbia Records.Mariah’s Top success was in 1990’s at Columbia Records. The Millennium Award that Mariah won the same year confirmed this.Since this time,Celine’s global album sales was behind Mariah.When we add Mariah’s 2000 albums + the increasing of sales of her 1990’s albums,we have 190m – 200m albums till today.Not including singles sales.So,Mariah already equal Celine’s total records sales worldwide just by her total of Albums sales !

  126. LuckyLuke says:

    @ TRISH

    Correction Number 1 —> Sony BMG talked about 200m

    ALBUMS for Celine in 2007 , not records and as I have

    mentioned I think they inflated her sales.

    Links proving this statement are posted long ago in

    this debate. If you want , I can show you again.

    Correction Number 2 —> Mariah’s first label NEVER

    Claimed sales of 150m albums ! this is a lie and of

    course you are unable to prove it. The only time

    we learned sth about her sales was at WMA in 2003 !

    She had sold 150m albums by then , confirmed by

    her award , label ! Moreover this info is put

    in EVERY site made for Mariah ! Even her OFFICIAL sites !

    Correction Number 3 —> Sorry…but If you trust

    what Sony Bmg says about Celine , you have to trust

    Island Def Jam as well…

    And guess what Island Def Jam says Mariah sold over

    200m records…same info with BILLBOARD…same info

    with World Music Awards…

    Why would ANYONE believe your partial lies ? You have

    0 proves , just assumptions !

    Do you want me to swallow Mariah sold 300m RECORDS ?

    Are you crazy ? ? ?

    As I said to the other debate NAME THE DETAILED DATAS

    YOU KNOW !!!

    PS —> Stop writing to yourself. It is pathetic.

  127. Mariah4ever ! says:

    Hi Lucky Luke ! This is Mariah4ever,the clone of TRISH…LMAO ! How can you be so dumb ? Continue to accuse TRISH to be under every lamb.Everyone will see that you are crazy.About sales, Sony BMG announce 200 million records sold by Celine worldwide,not 200 million albums.Anyway,how Celine could ever sold 200 million albums in 2007,whereas you said that her sales in 2004 were 175 million albums ? Do Celine sold 25 million album in just 3 years with any smash album? Wow! She’s really the faster album seller ! Hahaha! Another contradiction Lucky Luke? Or another confusion by “huge institutions” Hahaha.As Trish always said, Mariah sold 190-200 million album worldwide while Celine sold 165m- 170 million the most,don’t try to deny it !

  128. MariahCelineWhitneyMadonna says:

    It’s sad to see that the fans of these legendary women just can’t get a life outside the net-world and sets most of their time debating over and over again with regards to who is the best selling, best artist and other nouns,words or adjectives that had the word “best” written before it.

    Why can’t you just enjoy your favorite artist’s music and leave this thread for good.

    Mariah, Whitney, Celine and Madonna are legends in their own rights. They don’t hate each other so I can’t see the point why are this different fan bases are hating each other.

    Have some respect for this women!

  129. LuckyLuke says:

    @ TRISH/MariahCareyFan etc

    First of all,Sony Bmg announced sales of 200m ALBUMS.

    Here -> sonymusic.ch/Celine-Dion/Delles

    /P/477117867

    Despite THAT,I said I don’t agree with what Sony BMG

    said about Celine selling 200m albums by 2007. I Find

    this figure inflated and it contradicts with what

    World Music Awards said in 2004 about Celine selling

    175m ALBUMS by 2004,like you say.

    Here —> ctv.ca/CTVNews/Entertainment/20040914/dion_award040914/

    canada.com/topics/news/story.html?id=90da7aa0-f97e-4bc1-9985-1fb521cf0d5e&k=20045

    No matter if Celine sold 180m albums or 190m albums

    or 200m albums by 2011…it is still much more than

    Mariah’s album sales that barely reach the 170m mark !

    This is proven by info COMBINED From her official sites

    , label , world music awards (150m Albums by 2003) ,

    Billboard , Mediatraffic.

    Links from all these musical institutions and awards

    are posted in these debates and have already put you

    in total shame for saying Mariah sold 200m albums !

    xD

  130. looloo says:

    i don’t got purpose of this thread, but ok:

    Objective things:

    Celine has healthier vocal technique (great mixing registers, smooth transition, no strain)

    Mariah has some talent in songwriting

    Celine sales are bigger than Mariah (I never saw Mariah in any top 10 best-selling act in history)

    Rest is subjective:

    Celine project emotions through different resonance (in nose for example when she want to sound lightly)

    Mariah project emotions through changing voice from sharp to breathy or whisper (mutating)

    Mariah using whistle register (compensation for mix)
    …………………………………………………
    Personally, I thing that sales are the best pointers in terms of popularity. Healthy vocal technique indicate better vocalist.

    But both are good. Eg. Whitney had more sh***y technique.

  131. TRISH says:

    Guinness World Records lied by the 380 million albums it claimed for Madonna sinec 2003,Celine’s Chopard Diamond Award is irrelevant cause Madonna refused it and her sales didn’t reach 175 million in 2004 (even till now,her sales doesn’t reach this number).Sony BMG lied when it claimed Celine sold 200 millon album in 2007 (foolish estimations),etc… etc… What that’s mean ? Hahaha! All this bull s *** show obviously that all the sources supporting your claims LIE and can’t be trusted cause all of them are biased ! Hahaha!
    About Mariah’s global album sales,they surpass Celine’s by far,proven by her detailed sales non falsified by biased links and sources.Nothing never prove the opposite.Celine’s glogal album sales since 1981 till today reach 168 million the very most ! Celine surpass this number only in biased links,sources,and lists ! Whereas Mariah sales surpass largely 190 million albums sold worldwide as everyone knows and every right detailed datas sales always show !

  132. LuckyLuke says:

    What A Crazy Obsessed Uneducated Nasty Liar !

    About Celine’s global album sales,they surpass Mariah’s

    by far,proven by her detailed sales,not falsified by

    biased links and sources.Nothing never proved the

    opposite.Mariah’s glogal album sales since 1990 till

    today reach 168 million the very most ! Mariah surpasses

    this number only in biased links,sources,and lists you

    make ,being UNABLE to prove the 10 past months !

    Whereas Celine sales surpass largely 190 million albums

    sold worldwide as EVERYONE knows and every right

    detailed datas sales ALWAYS show !

  133. MOFF says:

    Nobody knows that Mariah has sold 190 largely !
    NOBODY TRISH !
    NOBODY
    YOU ARE SHAM FOR ALL HERE IN THIS DEBATE BECAUSE YOU LIE IN EVERYTHING YOU SAY

    1. you have no proves, like always as Trish or Momo, and now I really think both are the same person cause both claim 12 million for Ray of light and both have the same writing and spelling style …

    2.you post HIGH Mariah sales, and DECREASED MADONNA sales !

    3. again – you have no proves

    4. you try to convince people by saying “everything proves it by detailed facts and data”
    ITS ALWAYS THE SAME WITH YOU

    5. you have no proves and try to call every source which claims “Madonna or Celine has higher sales than Mariah” BIASED OR IRRELEVANT

    6. Should I say Mariah’s award was irrelevant ? YES – IT WAS, IT WAS IRRELEVANT !
    TRISH – The Chopard given to Mariah WAS IRRELEVANT cause Madonna had more albums sales by 2000 (and 2003) than MARIAH – with PROVED Album sales !
    WB claimed 24 for Madonnas True Blue and not 18.5 million like U SAID!

    TRISH YOU ARE A SHAME, not only for this debate, also for every fan of Madonna and Celine Dion, especially for Mariah Carey !
    If she knew what you posted, she would surely be ashamed of you ! ! ! ! ! ! !
    Such a crazy fan who tries to decrease every album which has sold more than any of Mrs Carey’s !!

    You want to provoke and I think we should ignore you.
    We should have had ignore you just before you posted your second post here in this debate because we should have known what A LIAR YOU HAD BEEN. And of course, you are still a liar.
    By all means !! !!

    YOU HAVE NO PROVES – and really want to try to convince other readers that Mariah is the best selling female artist of all time by saying that EVERY DATA proves it ????

    HAHAHAHA

    At Trish: HAHAHA

  134. MOFF says:

    Mhh .. at others:
    have you ever heard of the name “TRISH” ?
    Sorry, but I can’t remember that name .

  135. Carla says:

    To all Celine’s fans that say Celine Dion is ahead Mariah Carey on sales,there is the proof that Mariah Carey is ahead Celine Dion on total sales : 150 best selling artists in the world! ( archive )-Live Daily Community Music.
    This is a list of the top 150 worldwide best-selling music artists of all time. The measure is the total number of singles and albums sold world-wide (singles and albums weighted equally, paid digital downloads included too) This includes total sales to fourth quarter date November 1, 2005 .

    # Name Albums Worldwide Sales Nationality Years Active Genre Source

    1 The Beatles 40+ 400,000,000 UK 60s (1962-1970) Rock/Pop Guinness/EMI
    See also: Discussion #36

    2. Michael Jackson 14 350,000,000 US 70s-00s (1979-) Pop/R&B MJ Stats

    3 Elvis Presley 150+ 300,000,000 US 50s-70s (1956-1977) Country/Rock Elvis.com
    See also: Discussion #1

    4. Madonna 16 275,000,000 US 80s-00s (1984-) Pop WBR 2005
    Discography [1]

    5. Nana Mouskouri 450 250,000,000 Greece 60s-00s (1959-) Pop [2]
    [3]

    6. Cliff Richard 60+ 250,000,000 UK 50s-00s (1959-1969,1977-1979,1986-1999) Rock/Pop [4]

    7.The Rolling Stones 54 ~250,000,000 UK 60s-00s (1964-1981) Rock 60.5 million in the US [5]

    8. Mariah Carey 14 230,000,000 US 90s-00s (1990-) Pop/R&B Albums Discography

    9. Elton John 43 ~220,000,000 UK 70s-00s (1972-1976,1989-1991,1997-) Pop [6]

    10.Celine Dion 21 220,000,000 Canada 80s-00s (1990-) Pop Music/Pop Discography See also: Discussion #1

  136. Carla says:

    On voice :
    Mariah’s voice is better than Celine’s
    Mariah’s voice is also more cheerful and releases more energy.Her voice is really special and sound like a musical instrument ,specially in the tracks Always Be My Baby,O Little Town Of Bethlehem.Mariah Carey influences an entire generation of artists : European artists ( Lynnsha,Pixie Lott ,Leona Lewis etc…),Asian artists ( Utada,Nina,etc…) and American artists ( an endless amount of R&B artists including Rihanna,Ashanti,Ciara,Beyonce,Destiny’s Child,etc… and Pop artists ( including Christina Aguilera,Beyonce,Justin Timberlake,Kelly Clarkson,etc…).Mariah beat Celine on all this.Mariah Carey’s beltings are stronger than Celine’s .Just the belting in Whenever You Call beat Celine’s strongest beltings in The Power Of Love and My Heart Will Go On the Celine fan mentioned. Compare them objectively and you’ll notice that .About Celine’s belting in To Love You More,they are long and very close but that’s doesn’t mean they are among her among her strongest ones.
    And yes,Emotions,To Love You More ,Fantasy,Santa Claus Is Coming,etc… are powerful dance songs unlike Celine’s.Celine have any dance songs that are as much vocally powerful as Mariah’s .Celine’s dance songs are weak vocally next to Mariah’s,wether they are up tempo songs or not ( Misled,One Heart ,That’s The Way it Is , etc…).Otherwise, let’s make it simple : I’ll show a list of Celine and Mariah’s dance songs that anybody could compare to see Mariah’s superiority on vocal strength beside Celine.Mariah got more energy vocally,even when she doesn’t rise her voice,her voice shows more strength. Mariah’s voice got more strength.

  137. LuckyLuke says:

    @ Carla (Lmao)

    01.Is this a list based on data from musical

    Institutions ? Answer : NO

    02.Do you know how many official lists exist from

    Billboard , Mediatraffic and Ifpi that Combined

    show Celine ahead of Mariah for a difference of at least

    20-30m records ? I really doubt you do. They are posted

    here before.

    03.”To Love You More” is a Celine song,not a Mariah

    one.Moreover,everyone recognises Mariah as an excellent

    vocalist and her contribution is UNIQUE so there is no

    point repeating ”she is the best” with weak arguments

    on dance songs,like TRISH/MariahCareyFan/Momo did.

    By the way…The use of words ”objective person” rings

    many bells to me xD …….LOL…But anyway…

    04.Thank you,cause you at least proved,to the delusional

    lambs,that you trust a list where Madonna is shown

    AHEAD of Mariah for over 40m records ! Moreover thanx

    for believing that Celine sold over 220m records during

    her career and not 200m records like some losers here

    keep babbling.

  138. LuckyLuke says:

    PS… Everyone can easily find fan-made biased lists

    on the Internet like the one you brought.

    See for yourself.

    listal.com/list/list-bestselling-music-artists

  139. TRISH says:

    @ Loo loo : I don’t really understand what you meant by “Celine has healthier vocal technique (great mixing registers, smooth transition, no strain)”.So, who has a sicker vocal technique ? Mariah ? Hahaha! Maybe you never heard a Mariah’s song.Go and listen Mariah’s incredible songs,then you could come back here to talk about “healthier vocal technique”.How Celine’s dry and sour voice could ever be said healthier than Mariah’s fresh and sweet voice ? And which vocal technique do you talk about for Celine ? No strain ? Do you talk about Celine’s voice beside Mariah’s ? Or about Celine’s comedic performances on stage ? What a joke ! You said :“Mariah has some talent in songwriting”? It’s Really funny! Let me remind you that Mariah Carey is just behind Paul McCartney and John Lennon for the most number 1 songs penned by songwriters overall.Mariah is ahead the greatest and most famous female songwriters Carole King,Diane Warren,etc… They are ranked behind Mariah on amount of # 1 hit songs written .Celine is not talented on writing-composing-producing-arranging skills ,unlike Mariah.So,it’s useless tryng to diminish Mariah’s songwriting skills because of Celine.Mariah have not just “some talent in songwriting”, she’s a very talented songwriter among songwriters !
    Very dear, You are far behind the times ! You are just not informed enough to know that Mariah is in all right lists of 10 best selling artists in history.Mariah is even already named the best selling female artist of all times ! Inform yourself.Read the Popdirt blogs: The 10 best selling female artists of all times, The Top Selling Female Artist Of All Times Madonna Or Mariah Carey, Mariah Female Artist Of All Times,etc… So yes,Mariah is in all RIGHT lists of top 10 best selling artists.She’s even ahead Celine on these lists ! See ? This is a shame for you to ignore that !
    Celine sales are far behind Mariah’s,just inform yourself by objective and right sources!

    In your “subjective comment” you said: “Celine project emotions through different resonance (in nose for example when she want to sound lightly)” Hahahaha! It’s so funny Hahaha! Celine project emotions by her nose ! Hahahaha! You are so good to say it! Hahahaha! Very dear,you should know that ” Nose” never considered as a vocal instrument or a vocal back up ! Hahahha! How a nasal “resonance” could ever sounded beautiful ? Hahahaha! Everyone agree that’s it a huge handicap rather than an asset.You know nothing on music and true artistical creativity. Otherwise, you would know that any sound coming from nose will be very ugly and damage the song,so it can’t be commented as a good asset ! hahaha ! Moreover,it would not a particular asset since everybody got nose ,so everyone could “Project emotions trhough their nose “ as well Hahaha! it would be so easy for everyone Hahahaha! Particularly when they get cold ! Hahahaha! No,nasal voice nor nasal sounds /noises are not artistical/musical assets,they are rather artistical handicaps ! Hahahaha! I guess that you have not enough knowledge about music ,art and vocal beauty , so ,it’s useless to continue respond to you.Bye bye !
    @Lucky Luke:
    Hahaha! Calm down Lucky! Or shall I say Mrs Moff ? Ha haha ! Be careful cause Moff could be very angry against you if you continue to use insults in this debate! Hahaha! Cause he dislike insults apparently.Why the fact that Mariah sold much more albums than Celine could hurt you so much? You must accept it,since you know damn well that this is the truth ! Why are you so obsessed with Mariah ’s and Celine’s sales ? Dear ,know that sometimes,truth can hurt !

  140. TRISH says:

    @ Carla : Inform yourselflf.Mariah sold much more records than not only Celine,but also Madonna and Nana mouskouri.Mariah is the best-selling female artist of all times.I proved it many times in this blog and many others and I will continue to prove it.Don’t trust Lucky Luke’s falsified links and sources cause they are partial and fans made.
    @ Moff: You surely love Cow-Boys,right? Lucky Luke’s name remind you the popular cartoon “Lucky Luke,the lonely Cow-Boy”.That’s why you’re so attracted by him.It’s normal that you never heard the name “TRISH” It’s sound very weird in your ears as it’s a girl nickname !

  141. LuckyLuke says:

    @ TRISH

    01.HOW exactly did you PROVE Mariah is the best seller ?

    You say – for instance – she sold 170m ALBUMS by 2003 but

    this is a lie cause she sold 150m by then as her label

    AND World Music Awards AND Official Site Proved.

    Here You Are :)

    —> Mariahcarey.com/news/awards.php

    —> celebrity9.com/mariah-carey/biography.html

    02.Celine Dion sold more than Mariah because

    the Industry , Media say so and because it is proved

    by detailed datas ! :D Moreover as of 2011 Celine

    returns to Vegas having the fastest selling show in

    Vegas History ! She is singing LIVE at Oscars for the

    6th time ! What an Honour to the best selling female

    artist of the past 20 years !

    She has CONQUERED Every place of this world, just

    like Luc Plamondon stated and as her local awards prove

    —> Quebec (80s) , then Canada (1992) , then France

    (1996), then Europe (2003) , then Africa (2008) … the

    whole world (2004 / 2007) , Francophone

    distinctions(2008/2009) …While selling over 52m ALBUMS

    in Us alone (Billboard 2010).

    03.If Mariah suprasses Celine I’ll be more than happy

    to accept it,beause there is NO doubt that Mariah would

    DESERVE this distinction. (And many more actually)

    Believe me…If Mariah gets an award for her global

    sales I will shut up ! I won’t act like a bitter hater

    visiting blogs and debates calling her award/distinction

    IRRELEVANT ! Your main problem is that you think people

    hate on Mariah if they don’t call her ”the best

    seller”.

    04.On Your Insults…well…Thanx for thinking I am

    like a hot cow-boy that can seduce and use love tricks

    to everyone ! I Am fascinated this is said by a

    self-proclaimed beautiful and smart girl like you. :)

    No more comment on that. This is what you do the best…

    umm…since July ? ? ? xD when you called people

    ”slut , whore , bitch , gay , old , talked about

    masturbation” etc …

    ZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzZZZZZzzzzzzz

  142. LuckyLuke says:

    celinedion.com/news/celine-among-most-influential-acts-las-vegas

    Celine Dion undoubtably continues to influence the music

    world. After 31 years of consecutive success and

    awards in the industry she reaches a brand new level of

    success and contribution as it is proved by the

    record breaking demand of people to attend her Brand New

    Las Vegas Show which currently marks as the fastest

    selling show in the History of Ceasar Palace !

    For The History…

    Celine proved what a skilled vocalist she is during the

    90s as fans and music critics alike praised her vocal

    ability and put her in comparison with vocal legends

    such as Mariah Carey and Whitney Houston.

    At the 00’s…she showed as her performing skills

    during her sold out Vegas Shows and her sold out Taking

    Chances Tour. (These Series Of Concerts grossed over

    680m Dollars combined placing Celine At Number 1 spot)

    Celine Dion improved so much as a performer and

    interpreter.

    Celine left an indelible imprint on the city of Vegas

    and set a high standard for every artist.

    AEG is excited about the return of the Female Artist of

    the Decade , as John Meglen stated.(President and

    co-CEO of AEG Live/Concerts West)

    Moreover he added…

    “Celine’s impact on the entertainment standard in Las

    Vegas is the bar all others compare to.”

    Gary Selesner stated that the first lot of shows through

    April 17 will be completely sold out.

    Info Of The Show : The Show will feature 31 Musicians,

    consisting of a full orchestra and band.

    As Celine revealed during her latest interview to

    the Oprah Show she will include a tribute to Michael

    Jackson and will perform live Billy Joel’s

    ”Goodbye Lullaby”,

    dedicated to her twins,Nelson and Eddy.

    She sang this particular song live during the Oprah

    Show proving her voice is at last restful ! She sounded

    fresh , smooth , soft and really pure after her 2 years

    break.

    youtube.com/watch?v=a7lLQO1wXFs

    Her spectacular show will debut In March 15 2011.

  143. looloo says:

    @TRISH “healthier” = less stressful. Mariah use only curbling in upper register. It’s hold style of singing. Half metalic sound with medium loud grade. She uses it with too much air sometimes and it’s very stressful. In lower parts and high part she use neutral mode with air. She is always breathy and sweet sounding. She does NOT use any other mode. She never used real “belt”. In contrast, Whitney and Celine use “overdrive” in middle and upper range (whitney until D5, Celine sometimes higher, but it’s dangerous above D5/Eb5). You know this big B4 in IWALY by Whitney or big F5 in All by myself by Celine. It’s called overdrive and it’s very loud and powerfull. Celine uses it a lot, Whitney less (in upper). After D5 Whitney breaks to cubling like Mariah, but Celine switch to belting. It’s the main differenc between these 3 ladies. In high notes (above A5, Celine can belt little higher, maybe B5-C6) they all use neutral (sometimes with and sometimes without air).

    Plus all these modes are able to arrange with using twang (the epiglottis closes back over the vocal folds slightly and the whole structure above the larynx becomes a little tighter).

    PS: nasal “resonance” is normal but only if there is too much nasal “resonance” it’s became perceivable. And usage too much twang generally make the voice slightly nasal (country singers) or ducky sounding (like Aretha or Anastacia). But Celine’s “nasality” was mainly caused by bad posture of her tongue: “When Celine Dion first started out, she was extremely nasal on her high notes. She’s done severeal interviews about how hard it was for her to re-train her tongue to stay forward so she could open up her throat. She said she spent hours and hours on it because her native language (french canadian) requires that you speak with the tongue pulling back for proper pronunciation.”

  144. LuckyLuke says:

    ”Read the Popdirt blogs: The 10 best selling female artists of all times, The Top Selling Female Artist Of All Times Madonna Or Mariah Carey, Mariah Female Artist Of All Times,etc… So yes,Mariah is in all RIGHT lists of top 10 best selling artists.She’s even ahead Celine on these lists ! See ? This is a shame for you to ignore that ! ”

    Oh Really TRISH ? I hadn’t noticed that comment before !

    YOU REACH A NEW LEVEL BABY !!!

    According to you, (a self-proclaimed ”Good and Smart

    Debatur”) we should base our opinion on popdirt debate

    lists and NOT on data coming from RIAA , IFPI ,

    World Music Awards , Mediatraffic , BILLBOARD

    Etc Etc Etc that All COMBINED declare Celine as the best

    seller ABOVE Mariah !!

    Well…now we should all LAUGH together !

    Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha !!!!!!

  145. Carla says:

    PS : between the Mariah’s songs I cited ,I meant Jesus Oh What A Wonderful Child instead of To Love You More.I know that To Love You More is a song of Celine Dion.
    For the list of sellers I show,sorry I don’t think this list is made by Mariah Carey’s fans cause Mariah is ranked third best selling female artist in that list. If Mariah would be ranked first best selling female I could think the list was really made by her lambs.It seems like it was made by Madonna fans instead of Mariah’s since it favor Madonna .You say so because you’re a fan of Celine Dion whereas Mariah is ahead Celine in that list .

  146. LuckyLuke says:

    @ Carla

    No, I never said it was made by lambs. Read my reply

    again.I said this list is not based on musical

    institutions,just like the list I posted that shows

    Celine ahead of Mariah.We can’t just trust lists we find

    on the internet.

    Besides,not even Trish – a lamb – agrees with your list.

    On your comment about their skills I have to say that

    you are wrong saying Mariah can belt like Celine.

    This is a huge mistake. Mariah uses head voice and Celine

    uses chest voice ! It is easier for Celine to belt

    out songs.It is easier for Celine to hold long notes,

    proved not only by studio recordings but by her

    live perfomances as well (I Surrender , The Power

    Of Love , Think Twice , To Love You More , Le Blues

    Du Businessman , D’Amour Ou D’Amitie , Show Must Go On ,

    , The Prayer , Caruso , I Drove All Night etc etc)

  147. Minsk says:

    According to the 2011 Top 10 of Everything book,

    Top selling artists worldwide
    1 – Beatles = 346m
    2 – Michael Jackson = 235m
    3 – Queen = 200m
    4 – Pink Floyd = 194m
    5 – Elvis Presley = 187m
    6 – Madonna = 185m
    7 – Celine Dion = 183m
    8 – Elton John = 177m
    9 – U2 = 170m
    10 – Rolling Stones = 168m

    It’s only about albums sales, not records.

  148. LuckyLuke says:

    @ Minsk

    I don’t know if your list is based on official data from

    RIAA , IFPI etc Facts…but I have to say it completely

    agrees with what I have been saying ! That Celine has

    sold around 185m albums since her debut ! Same goes

    for Madonna whose album sales are close to 190m mark

    as the Guinness Book Of Records said. Moreover , on

    Celine , it completely agrees with her World Music Award

    and the sales they officially announced of 175m by mid

    2004. (The Awards were held on September 2004) !

    @ Everyone

    So Celine had almost 175m before the release of Miracle

    (2.5m) , On Ne Change Pas (1.5m) , D’Elles (Almost 1m) ,

    Taking Chances (At Least 3.5m) , My Love (2m) !

    I don’t know why haters can’t just swallow that Celine

    has sold 185m albums & 50m singles ! She is so

    freaking successful since her debut in everything she

    does ! She has sold almost 6m DVDs , which is much more

    than Mariah’s DVD sales and has grossed 280m by her

    latest tour alone ! All Mariah’s tours combined haven’t

    grossed over 300m dollars..! No doubt Celine is the best

    selling female artist of the past 20 years in EVERYTHING

    she does. And let’s not forget Celine is associated with

    some of the best selling and critically aclaimed

    Soundtracks ! Beauty And The Beast (5m & Academy Award)

    , Sleepless In Seatle (5m & Academy/Grammy Award

    Nomination) , Titanic (30m & Academy Award ,

    Grammy Award , Golden Globe) , Quest of Camelot (Academy

    Award Nomination , Golden Globe Winner) , Becuase You

    Loved Me (Grammy Award Winner , Academy Award Nomination)

    etc etc etc. Mariah is associated with epic movie

    failures such as Glitter that was panned by film critics

    and was not embraced by people , not even her fan base

    and flop songs such as ”Right To Dream” ! The only

    successful movie-song is ”When You Believe” that sold

    almost 2m copies worldwide and recieved an Oscar.

    Take note to the fact that Soundrack success

    (or a song’s success coming from an original movie)

    is irrelevant to the movie’s success. Because there

    are many high grossing films with flop soundtracks

    (Avatar) and the opposite…Flop films with successful

    songs (Up Close And Personal) !

    On Celine Dion Again , she was not only successful at

    touring but also at perfoming at Ceasar Palace for 5

    years in a row ! This is not ”touring” ,cause she

    didn’t tour the world.She was in One stable place and

    people had to come to her show ! What an honour..!

    This was a risk that could damage her career,

    since the world practically lost Celine for 5

    consecutive years.Still,not only the series of live

    shows were sold out,but they reached an incomparable

    grossing of over 400m dollars ! At the same time Celine

    recieved many awards by the industry for her acievements

    and contribution. Moreover – and this is unbelievable –

    Celine sold albums steadily (With little promo and a

    few singles coming from each album) as ”One Heart”

    became the 10th best seller of 2003 , Miracle is one of

    the best selling kids albums in history (Placed at

    number 11) , On Ne Change Pas became the best selling

    French compilation album of 2005 , D’elles was the best

    selling French album of 2007 by a female artist that

    marked the highest debut for an artist In Canadian

    charts (70k sold during the 1st week In Canada) , and

    finally Taking Chances and My Love had their respectable

    success.My Love was the best selling compilation album

    of 2008 as IFPI proved.

    Apart from her English albums success Celine Dion is

    by far the best selling and most influencial French

    artist in history proved by her record sales that

    suprass the 30m mark and her numerous awards.

    Her Awards include the Yamaha Music Festival Awards In

    Japan given to Celine at age 15 for singing

    ”Tellement J’Ai D’Amour” , Eurovision Song Contest

    Award for singing ”Ne Partez Pas Sans Moi” (1988),

    Victoire De La Musique (1996 / 2001) , Medal of arts and

    Letters (1996) , Legion D’Honneur (2008) to mention a

    few.

    Now Celine is ready to perform at Oscars for a record

    breaking 6th time , proving she is still credited as one

    of the best female voices ever.

    Moreover,just like I said,her new Show is the fastest

    selling show in Ceasar Palace History , a strong fact

    that proves people still demand to attend Celine’s

    concerts,no matter the expensive tickets,and all this

    because of her proffesional assets as an amazing

    vocalist and improved performer.

  149. TRISH says:

    1. @Lucky Luke: Music Box doesn’t sold 29 m copies,nor 30 m but 32 million copies worldwide ! Hahaha! Dear Lucky, I don’t just call IFPI partial,I proved it !
    You said: “ I Told You TO SET THE BASE FOR THIS DEBATE And you
    can’t even respond to this” Just read the post # 320 and you’ll see that I’ve already answer to you on this point. You just ignore my response.
    Hahaha! About contradictions,you and your alter ego Moff are the deserving champions Lucky ! Not just me Hahaha! Let’s see:
    CONTRADICTION NUMBER 1 —> Madonna sold 200m albums
    coming from Asia (15m) , Us (64,5m) , Europe (74m) ,
    Australia (6m) … -> 154m Albums !
    1. WHERE DOES MADONNA FIND THE REST 46m ALBUMS ?

    2. CONTRADICTION NUMBER 2 —> Celine sold 190 – 200m albums
    coming from Asia (13m) , Us (50m) , Europe (54m) ,Canada (15)
    Australia (4m) … -> 136m Albums !
    WHERE DOES CELINE FIND THE REST 54- 64m ALBUMS ?
    Hahaha! It seems like your “links” doesn’t give every important details.Hahahaha!
    1. CONTRADICTION NUMBER 3 —> Madonna sold 100m singles.
    At least,It’s proved that Mariah sold over 32 m certified Singles in US alone. Madonna even didn’t sold 25m singles in US nor in Europe ! Where do Madonna is credited as the female artist with the most certified platinum singles ? You can’t even give her singles Platinum certifications on Eurochart. How she could ever sold 100 million singles worldwide?
    HA HA HA HA HA HA HA !
    CONTRADICTION NUMBER 4 —> You always say that Mariah’s 18 number 1 Hits in Billboard Hot 100 are due to Radio Airplay although you know that she’s the best female single seller in US.Madonna got 18 Number 1 in Worldwide Chart + 15 number 1 Hits in Eurochart + 12 Number 1 Hits in Billboard Chart without selling even 25 million singles in any of those Charts ? Hahahaha!
    CONTRADICTION NUMBER 5 —– You always try to show that Madonna sold most records than Mariah based on her impressive amount of number 1 Hits worldwide,whereas you say Celine doesn’t need to have number 1 Hits in any Chart worldwide to sell albums Hahahaha ! According to you,Madonna’s numerous number 1 Hits worldwide are impressive and relevant only face to Mariah’s,but not face to Celine’s.No matter if Celine doesn’t have Hits worldwide,she stay as great as Madonna ,but about Mariah,the inferiority of her amount of # 1 hits beside Madonna’s make her small next to Madonna .You decide what makes an artist great and when ,but in accordance with an essential criterion : your personal preference ( you love Celine & Madonna and you hate Mariah ) ! Hahahahaha!
    CONTRADICTION NUMBER 6 —– You say Madonna sold 40 – 45 million singles over Mariah although Mariah got much more singles which sold over 3 million and over 5 million than Madonna worldwide.Whereas you said Mariah sold just 5 – 10 million singles over Celine Dion worldwide although Celine got just 1 single selling over 4 million worldwide.Celine doesn’t have a single sold million worldwide since the 1990 decade.Since the 1990’s ,Mariah’s singles sales already surpassed Celine’s by very far !You hate Mariah so much,that you never notice it and you got the nerve to say Mariah outsold Celine by just 5 – 10 million singles. Hahahaha!
    CONTRADICTION NUMBER 7 —- You say Celine sold more albums than Mariah since institutions awarded her for that,and she’s called the best selling female artist of all times by every great musical institutions.in the same time you recognize that Madonna sold more albums and more singles than Celine according to Guiness.According to you,Celine is the best selling female artist for Mariah and other female singers ,but not include Madonna as you love Madonna like you love Celine.Hahhahahaha!
    CONTRADICTION NUMBER 8
    You said that Celine is named the best selling female artist of all times,at the same time ,you also said that she’s the best selling female artist of THE PAST 20 YEARS ! You create a criterion for Celine’s best-selling title,adding “ for the past 20 years” or “ since the 1990’s “ just to avoid striking on the best-selling title of your other idol Madonna !
    In facts,Celine is not the best selling female artist of the past 20 years ! Mariah Carey is the best selling artist OVERALL of the 1990 decade,Britney Spears is the best selling FEMALE artist of the 2000 decade ! And you admitted that Celine’s total album sold were behind Madonna’s in the 2000 decade .How Celine could be the best selling female artist of the past 20 years ?

    CONTRADICTION NUMBER 9 —– You said formerly lambs can’t say Mariah has a better voice than Celine because voice is a subjective question.However,you cited Barbra Streisand,Michael Bolton,II Divo,Andrea Bocelli ,Luciano Pavarotti as the greatest voices of the world .
    CONTRADICTION NUMBER 10—–
    You admitted Mariah is the best selling artist in 2000 year (Millenium Award) till 2003 Year (Chopard Diamond Award) for sales of 150 million albums ,but in 2004 Celine’s albums surpass Mariah’s suddenly by 25 million albums sold !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Then 2004 – 2011 Celine’s albums reach suddenly 190 – 200 million worldwide ,while Mariah’s stand at 160 – 170 million in 2011 .Hahahahahaha! Celine’s album sales grows spectacularly within 3 years,or 2 years,or even 1 year ! while Mariah’s stand relatively at the same number within 3 years,or 5 years or more!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    CONTRADICTION NUMBER 11 —- You Challenge the 13 m sales of TEOM worldwide and try to put 11 million sales for it while you claim A New Day… sold 11- 12 million although A New Day sold 3 million in US + 3 million in Europe = 6 million whereas TEOM sold over 6 million in US + 1 million in Europe = 7 million.And TEOM outsold ANDHC in all the rest of the world .Did A New Day charted after 2002 ??? It’s so silly !
    About All I Want For Christmas Is You,it sold over 12 million copies worldwide !It sold over 2 million in Japan and is ranked the best selling single there .And yes, Mimi sold over 50 million albums the very low in whole Asia !
    CONTRADICTION NUMBER 12 —— Celine’s Diamond Award is irrelevant
    1- Because you admit it yourself that she received it because Madonna refused it !
    2- Because in 2003, Celine sales didn’t even reach 150 million albums yet worldwide !

    2. CONTRADICTION NUMBER 13—> Mariah is the BEST SELLER
    With 300m RECORDS sold ( refute it if you can) , Mariah is the BEST female Songwriter (Fact ),
    the BEST Voice ever ( by far : undeniable fact) ! The best singer ever ! ( undeniable ) ,The MOST Influencial female artist ever (Fact) , A GOOD DANCER ( you said the same for Celine.Anyway,Celine is not better ) she is sexy (fact ) , beautiful (fact ) …..
    Yes, she combined ALL of these assets very well as all the proves can show it ! This is not by Mariah’s fault if Celine doesn’t combine these assets,if she’s just able to impress people by her pull faces and her straight and predictable nasal belts on stage !
    Mariah doesn’t care about fill stadiums,her fans doesn’t care about it ! We are worried about Mariah’s EXTRAORDINARY VOICE and SINGING SKILLS !!! We need her incredible and unique songs which are able to climb Charts,unlike Celine’s !
    Of course, touring is irrelevant to success and skills ! Otherwise,Celine would have many number 1 Hits in Billboard,in Eurochart and in Worldwide Chart during these 12 last years,while she still able to fill every stadiums ! She would also have the best-selling albums of the 2000 decade ! If Celine’s voice was so particular ,Celine would have a vocal citation on Guinness World Record ! She could also beat a vocal record ! All these people who buy Celine’s concert Tickets would vote her as the best female voice ever ! But instead,they voted Mariah as the ultimate voice ! Hahahaha! Tours are not relevant to success honey !Nor to the better vocalist !Cher and Tina Turner are among the most successful female artists on stage,but they are not among even the average female vocalists ! Madonna got huge successes in concerts ,but she’s not a vocalist ! Tours refers to entertainment,not to vocal performances.Otherwise,Madonna wouldn’t be the highest grossing touring artist since she’s not even among the average vocalists.
    Celine’s 175 million albums sold in 2004 is a pure myth,you know that damn well ! Celine’s global albums sales since 1981 to 2011 is about 161m – 165 million the most ! Let’s say 168 million. Otherwise,I dare any of you all here (Lucky Luke,Moff,Shutup,etc…) to answer these questions: How many albums Mariah Carey and Celine had sells respectively in : 2000 year ??? 2003 year??? 2004 year ??? 2006 year ??? You can show the detailed sales with IFPI and RIAA’s datas. I AWAIT YOUR ANSWERS !!!!

  150. TRISH says:

    @ Looloo :
    Hahahaha! Do you read what you wrote ! I can’t stand in my seat,your post is so laughable ! So,in accordance with you,Mariah’s voice is more stressful than Celine’s because Celine give her predictable long belts in each of her songs ?!!! Really ?!! Hahaha ! This is the better joke I ever read in my life ! On what do you base your arguments to say a such stupidity ? ?? Dear,Celine can’t compare to Mariah on voice ! I’ll repeat it : Mariah Carey got everything on voice,Celine got nothing vocally,except VOLUME.Your “ technical terms “ doesn’t frighten us, kid.You can’t elude us by your technical blablabla “ D5,B4,etc… Mariah sing with too much air,…Celine … blablabla…”.And you try desperately to counterbalance Celine’s nasal handicap with Mariah’s rare breathy sounding on stage.Mariah doesn’t use “ only curbling in upper register “ : LIE ! Hahaha! And even if she would do,you would prove that I was right when I said that Mariah didn’t use her entire vocal potential unlike Celine and that Nevertheless,her belts always sound louder and better than Celine’s .That’ also prove that Mariah’s vocal volume and power surpass Celine’s by very far ! Although Mariah never use overdrive beltings ,her belts surpasses Celine’s on volume and power ! Chest voice naturally got more strength than head voice ! Can we imagine how much powerful and loud Mariah’s beltings would sounded if she would use chest voice like Celine ?? Her belts would be too much powerful with too much volume and could damage the ears of listeners ! At an other sight ,Mariah use much more vocal techniques than Celine ! Especially because her voice is much more rich and have many particular assets . Celine’s belt always sound the same : straight,predictable,no versatility,no melisma,not a particular flexibility.Mariah show not only the power of of her voice,but above all the BEAUTY of her voice,and also many particular vocal assets. Celine is just worried about the volume and the power of her voice,not about its beauty ! There is no need to have vocal knowledge for notice that Mariah uses much more different vocal assets than Celine.Many Mariah’s songs sound like if that’s was many different persons who sang them .Sometimes in the same song,Mariah sound like 2 or 3 different persons .But Celine ? hahaha ! Always the same register ! Who can say Mariah use only “curbling upper register” in all those songs : Emotions, The Wind, Bliss, Melt Away ,You’re So Cold, Fantasy,O Come all Ye Faithfull,Music Box,Honey, Mine Again, If It’s Over, Hero, We Belong Together,Vanishing, All I Want For Christmas Is You, Lookin’ In, O Holy Night,etc… ? Even the greatest vocal experts of the world can’t say so.You lie Looloo.Otherwise,what different registers Celine use in The Power Of Love,Think Twice,Le Blues Du Businessman,Je Ne Sais Pas, All By Myself,My Heart Will Go On,Misled,I’m Alive ?? etc… Hahahhaha! Sorry,but Mariah’s voice beat Celine’s on everything include versality . Unlike Celine ,Mariah can use every vocal registers she want proving by her songs.Because her voice is not as limited as Celine’s. Mariah’s voice is by very far much more better than Celine’s.Just cite some Celine’s songs in which her voice is as versatile, strong and powerful as Mariah Carey’s and I’ll respond you ! END OF STORY !

  151. TRISH says:

    @Lucky Luke: I don’t agree with Carla list because a right list should rank Mariah Carey at the first place for female seller artists.The lists you usually post are worse than Carla’s as they are made by haters like you.
    About beltings,It’s much more easier for Mariah to hold long notes than Celine,proved not only by her studio recordings,but also by her live performances.She beat Celine by far on vocal strength,volume and power (Whenever You Call, Without You, Forever, Emotions,The Star Spangled Banner,Vision Of Love,Love Takes Times,Fly Like A Bird,etc…etc…).The Celine’s songs you cited can’t take it beside Mariah’s ! There is only one singer that can compete with Mariah Carey vocally : Whitney Houston.All in all,Mariah got the better voice.

    Celine’s 185 million albums sold worldwide is a pure myth dear honey.In 2004,Celine’s worldwide album sales were about 140- 143 million the most.Celine even doesn’t sold 170 million album worldwide till today.She sold 166 million albums the most,let’s say 168 million.See ? She’s not in the league of huge sellers like Mariah Carey.Hahahaha! Mimi doesn’t need to sing soundtrack songs to got Hits,unlike Celine’s.Mariah’s All I Want For Christmas Is You, One Sweet Day,We Belong Together, Without You,etc… are not soundtrack songs,nevertheless,they blow any Celine’s Hit away on everything ! So Mariah’s songs doesn’t need a film to boost them to become hits. Moreover,Mariah doesn’t just able to sing a film soundtrack,she’s also able to take part as actress in films unlike Celine’s.Hahahaha!
    After 30 years of career,Celine doesn’t got not even one international artist who credit her as main influence whether it’s in US, Europe nor Asia. Do you think that singing in a non-English language can be called musical impact and contribution ? Hahaha! So laughable ! I am able to write in English, French and Danish languages in this debate unlike you ,so I should be credited for the better debatur here,with the most contributions and most impacts Hahahaha ! Although Celine’s huge success in USA ,Celine have no artist from USA who emulate her singing style,nor claiming her as main musical influence.At the other hand,Mariah have most artists than Celine in Europe who emulate her and cite her as main musical influence.France is Celine’s most successful European country,I used to be in France and I can tell you that Celine Dion is not the most influencial female artist there .All that Celine got as impressive next to Mariah in music is her tours and her income ,nothing else.Have a beautiful week-end !!!!

  152. LuckyLuke says:

    @ TRISH

    1.You said World Music Awards are to be trusted. They

    announced sales of 175m albums for Celine is 2004 and

    you say she sold over 140m by then. You look like a fool.

    2.You say Mariah holds longer notes than Celine and

    you give examples with NO long notes like Emotions

    What a fool.

    3.You say Celine never influenced anyone. Well…say

    this to Garou , Delta Goodrem , Charice , Lara Fabian

    (her number 1 fan) to mention a few.

    Mariah influenced more and I said it before. You are so

    sick repeating the same things , while nobody claims

    the opposite ! You keep insisting that Mariah

    is a songwriter and that she influenced many people ,

    while NOBODY didn’t even imply the opposite !!!

    4.You call Celine’s nasality a handicap ? Sorry…but

    even singers that are more nasal than Celine are credited

    to be amazing vocalists. Eros Ramazzotti For Example.

    Moreover,check Celine’s last perfomance in Oprah to

    see her voice sounded clear and pure even at low notes.

    She surprised me cause her perfomances of her TC Tour

    were really nasal…for example the verses of Alone

    , All By Myself , Shadow Of Love etc.

    5.Celine is the most listened , awarded , influencial

    artist not only in France but every Francophone country.

    Her status and presitge as a fracophone singer even

    suprasses Edith Piaf.

    6.Celine has stronger volume than Mariah like you admited

    , she holds longer notes live , she belts without

    straining. Celine uses chest voice and Mariah head

    voice. A Person using head voice could never belt and

    sustain long belted notes like a person that belts

    using a chest voice. You are trully an ignorant.

    Mariah uses head voice all the way and this is why

    she excells in melismatic singing and vocal runs and

    whislte notes and agility.

    Don’t take Celine’s advantages the wrong way.

    Try to LEARN something from this debate.

    7.I NEVER Brought LISTS Here to prove Celine sold more.

    Don’t you get shamed of supporting a lie like that

    while everyone can open my links ? The links I brought

    were info from awards or labels or IFPI / RIAA or

    u tube videos or magazines (because you asked for

    magazines) ect ! I NEVER Brought lists I found on the

    randomly on the internet.

    8.This debate is over long ago when I posted here as

    ”Unison” and you couldn’t even reply with links but

    said instead ”my arguments are enough” ! ha ha !

    and then I asked where do you support ur arguments and

    you replied ”from detailed data” and YOU ARE STILL

    UNABLE TO SHOW Detailed Datas in orded to make me stop.

    Why ? Because these ”data” DON’T EXIST.

    It is nowhere proven that Mariah sold 300m records.

    You claim Mariah sold that much and Celine sold 200m

    records and before you had said that Mariah and Celine

    are neck by neck in total record sales ! Ha ha ha !

    You are a big fat uneducated ignorant liar and nothing

    more..!

    9.You are not even a good debatur.You say

    ”Mariah sold 300m records and this is proved by

    detailed datas as everything prove it. Wikipedia ,

    World Music Awards , IFPI , Media , Magazines that

    claim Celine sold more are partial , biased and

    falsified.”

    How easy is that ? Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha !!!

    I Will reply on the same – LOW – Level just like you.

    So…”Celine sold more than Mariah as detailed datas

    proved it as everyone knows. Millennium Awards , RIAA

    and Her Diamond Award are biased and irrelevant” !

    Ha Ha Ha Ha !!

    Of course I could never support this theory cause

    I don’t suffer from IQ Deficiency.

    Have a nice weekend ! xD

  153. looloo says:

    @TRISH It’s vocal technique terminology. If you can’t understand, so what you know about vocal technique or music? Nothing, right? So let it be. It’s my technical view nothing more. If you don’t like it, read books about vocal technique and correct me.

    In terms of technique Celine is in her own league. In terms of music, it’s about subjective taste.

    PS: I do not said that “curbling” is worse that other modes. They are all equal. Curbling is more use in R&B/Gospel, Overdrive more in rock/metal/pop/reggae, belting in rock/gospel/metal/opera, neutral almost everywhere.

    For more information read this: completevocalinstitute.com/?q=en/Vocal-Technique/Four-vocal-modes

  154. LuckyLuke says:

    @ According To Nielsen Soundscan : A New Day Has Come sold

    3.5m In Us and TEOM 5.9m ! Inform yourself.

    Moreover A New Day Has Come sold more than TEOM worldwide

    cause it sold more In Europe , Canada , Oceania , Africa.

    Even if we judge based on certifications we get

    TEOM -> 6m Us , 1m Eur , 200k Japan , 70k Australia ,

    300k Canada -> 7.6m

    A New Day Has Come -> 3m , 3m Europe , 150k Japan ,

    150k Australia , 600k Canada -> 6.9m

    Plus Celine sold more in N.America and Africa cause

    her album charted so much better and higher there.

    It debuted at number 1 in over 20 countries around the

    globe ! (Not just European Markets)

    Even if you compare them in Asia you see they are equal

    there, cause TEOM’s success is NOTHING beside Mariah’s

    90’s albums.So don’t even think of saying it sold

    more than 2m in Asia ! Lmao ! 200k come only from Japan.

    FINALLY , I don’t know why you insist on this.

    Even If TEOM sold more does this change much ?

    NO !

    You have 166m albums for MC and 184m for Celine ! Ha ha !

    Celine’s sales are not a myth. They are proved

    by every source you search.

    Inform yourself on real sales !

    Now…have a great weekend , pressed xD !!!

  155. LuckyLuke says:

    @ Looloo

    I don’t know about technique terminology etc ,but I have

    posted my opinion that Celine uses chest voice and Mariah

    head voice,which makes it easier for Celine to belt

    out strong,long notes…

    On the other hand I think that Mariah ,since she uses

    head voice ,can do many vocal tricks easier such as

    melismatic singing,vocal runs etc…

    Is what I claim right or wrong ? ? ?

  156. Sonia says:

    Celine has 134 #1’s album worldwide. How many has Mariah?

  157. looloo says:

    @ LuckyLuke Hi, it’s all about breath control and support. How good you manage your breathing. Mariah does not sing with her “real” voice. She sing in “falsetto”, but this term is unfortunate, because have a lot of meanings. In low and middle register she almost whisper and is always breathy. It’s can be caused by bad suport or her nodules. But her speaking voice seems good, so I think, that it is bad support or combination. Her upper register or “belting” register; she uses clasic R&B or Soul style (curbing), but again she uses too much air, it’s breathy and very streasfull for vocal cords. She is trying to be powerful, but she doing it badly. Her all high notes are in “falsetto” including “whistle”. Her whistle are special and breathy as well, but it’s very easy for her to achiave this register. I think that it’s caused by her nodules, because, nodules of vocal cords causing a triangular shape, which is good for achieving the whistle. Mariah suffers from her early training. Her mother teach her operatic technique with stable larynx, etc, but Mariah always lack of proper support and it’s the worse thing.

    Her melismatic style or vocal runs are only stylistic things. It’s nothing difficult. It’s good thing to hide lack of support. In essence, the R&B style is easy, because you don’t need vocal training and proper support on high level. In fact, mostly: worse control = more vocal runs.

    Terminologie “chest voice” or “head voice” is not accurately so I won’t use it (it’s all about subjective sensations of singer and timbre deepness).

    Celine has great breath control, but she has health problems with lung (asthma, alergy) so it’s very unstable (during her career). Celine sing very powerfully until Eb5/E5, because she uses a lot of overdrive just like Whitney (Whitney sing very powerfully until D5). Celine does not use curbing above her overdrive limit. Therefore, someone says that she can not sing Soul style. It’s true, she is more rock singer than soul singer. Instead she uses real belting (edge), it’s more sharp and loud. Other belter are eg. Aretha Franklin or Steven Tyler. But Aretha uses curbling as well. The biggest Celine’s problem was her tongue posture (french habit), how I wrote early, but it had no effect on health (only sound, sometimes “nasal”).
    ——————————————————–
    How to recognize a great singer (vocally):
    – can sustain note without warbling, changing volume, changing pitch (Celine, Barbra).
    – has great vibrato control (like Whitney, Celine, Leona). Singer without control are very good perceivable (eg. Beyonce)
    – can sing very softly (pianissimo), mean softly not breathy
    – can sing legato properly

    Question: Did Mariah sing sometimes softly and at length (legato)? Something like this: youtube.com/watch?v=jnXNt4fJqj4

  158. LuckyLuke says:

    @ Looloo

    Hi and Thanks For The Info…

    Celine indeed doesn’t sing soul or rnb genres.

    She exells at pop,rock,blues (Le Ballet , Tous Les

    Blues Sont Ecrites Pour Toi) and classicaly influenced

    songs.This is why she sang next to many tenors

    (Lucciano Pavarotti , Bocelli) or ”pop tenors”

    (Groban , Il Divo , Canadian Tenors , Florent Pagny) !!

    Mariah sings better soul,rnb.

    Overall I prefer Celine’s voice.

    Besides,as of 2011 Celine’s voice in

    undeniably in a better shape,despite the fact that she

    uses her voice 100 times more than Mariah,cause of her

    tours and multiple CD releases in two languages.

    Mariah gets credit as a better voice,because rnb and

    hip hop music is relevant nowadays and as we know

    Mariah influenced these genres..! She takes credit due

    to the ”Rnb-Diva” status and is included in lists

    of magazines higher than Celine,because fans vote !

    She is just more ”mainstream” than Celine and this is

    why the masses in Us tend to support Mariah more.

    Besides these lists are so biased that even Christina

    Aguilera – The noise of her generation – is included !!

    Finally , to answer you question , the only song that

    comes to my mind from Mariah is ”Looking In”…but

    still her low notes are not as soft as Celine’s in ”The

    First Time Ever I Saw Your Face”.

    PS. I Also Loved Celine’s pure and soft voice in this

    video too. She still got it :-D

    youtube.com/watch?v=P85g3U_c0g8

  159. TRISH says:

    @ everyone : I am very busy those days.I’ll reply to your posts when I’ll have a few times.Bye !

  160. looloo says:

    @ LuckyLuke You’re welcome. Thanks for video, Mariah sings nice, but it’s still her R&B style. She can’t sustain straight note (omnipresent mutation).

    You have right. Mariah is more “in” these days with her music, but only somewhere. Here in Europe, Mariah has never been very popular (meant to be the same level as Celine). The last few years is European music market the biggest (even bigger than U.S.), so I do not care about the U.S. market much.

    I personally don’t like pop, rnb and all these mainstream things. Celine has special tone quality in her voice, but I don’t listen her music. I’m not fan, but I respect her as a person and I can say without hesitation that she is the best/greatest mainstream female singer in history.

    Just read this: (torontosun.com/entertainment/2011/02/26/17421701.html). True legend.

  161. LuckyLuke says:

    @ Looloo

    Yes,I know ! It is pretty much amazing and this is why

    I wrote a whole post before (Post 143)

    on her unique contribution not only to the

    ”entertainment factor” but also the economy

    of Vegas. Celine’s contribution as a singer is proved by

    the fact that she is a standard/icon for all

    Adult Contemporary singers since 1981 and mainly because

    of her 90’s success,along with Mariah of course.

    Her impact as a performer is proved by the link you

    posted here.Her shows is the bar all other artists

    compare to and it is proven it even affects the economy

    there.Finally her impact/contribution as a

    francophone artist is incomparable.She is the most

    successful,awarded,listened Francophone artist ever.

    On top of that she sings french songs during all her

    concerts…In Africa,Japan,Australia,Usa !! Moreover

    she is credited for bringing French songs from musical

    Starmania into the mainstream scene. Plus she covered

    numerous French songs in English !! (Ten Days ,

    The Greatest Reward,Fly,I Don’t Know,Je T’Aime

    Encore) ! She is the most significant French artist in

    history of music and this is not my opinion.It is a

    worldwide fact.

    Give a try to her francophone records such as

    S’il suffisait D’aimer , D’eux , D’elles…her songs

    in French are really sophisticated , deep and

    introspective !! Her voice sounds better in French too.

    More pure and I think she has better control , mainly

    cause of her accent.

    You Have To Listen To This ->

    youtube.com/watch?v=YJFUbSvmGRA

    Her Voice was tired during her latest tour and really

    nasal but it is so restful,soft now ! She is back !!! :-D

    @ TRISH

    No need to reply.There is no way we will ever agree,

    there is no way a ”solution/answer” will be given to

    this debate,as long as you talk about ”vocal handicap”

    and ”comedian moves”. Get rid of your POISON,and come

    back to talk in a reasonable/decent base again.

  162. Momo says:

    Looloo, don’t be a hater.Mariah’s voice is better than Celine’s,no matter your technical terminologies.Just listening their songs and anyone will see that.Every great vocal experts claimed it,every worldwide institutions claimed it: Guinness,Rillings Stones,Blender,etc… Even Celine’s owns fans recognize it.So,it’s useless to deny it by technical terminologies since everyone can listen their musics.Their songs talk by thelmselves without any interpretations.Mariah’s voice is unreacheable ! it’s undeniable !

    About sales,I have to add that Mariah sold more than Celine since she’s the best selling artist overall of 1990’s,the very most successful decade with sales over 100 million albums.Whereas Britney is the best selling female artist in 2000’s with sales below 100 million albums sold in 2000 decade.How Celine could ever sold more than Mariah ? It’s not logical ! It’s simply impossible.Mariah outsold Celine !

  163. MOFF says:

    no. Calculate their album sales and don’t decrease of increase anything. Madonna outsold Celine, Celine outsold Mariah, Mariah outsold Whitney.

  164. LuckyLuke says:

    @ Momo (Lmao)

    We should forget technical terminology and start

    believing lists of magazines and ”just listen to their

    music” ?

    How old are you bitch ? 12 ? 14 ?

    When we say that Celine belts better than Mariah and

    that Mariah uses melisma better IT IS OBVIOUS THAT

    WE HAVE LISTENED TO THEIR SONGS !!

    Stop trying to brainwash us and change our minds.

    On Sales,

    Mariah didn’t sell more worldwide in the 90’s you fool !

    She sold more DURING the 90s , because Celine’s albums

    were calculated in early 00s , since her best sellers

    were released in late 90s.Mariah’s best sellers came

    out in early 90s so her sales were clear by 1999-2000..!

    And this is why she got the award in 2000 !

    This decade Celine is the 2nd best seller

    according to Billboard,only behind Britney..!

    Plus she is more times awarded for her global sales , in

    recent years , unlike MC ! She has got every worldwide

    and local distinction there is for her sales.

    Any local award in Asia for MC proving the level of

    her sales ? Answer : NO !

    Any detailed data or certifications from there ?

    Answer : NO

    Well…come back WHEN YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO PROVE :D

    You all boast about Mariah’s World Music Awards but you

    seem to forget that World Music Awards announced 150m

    albums for MC in 2003 and 175m albums for Celine in 2004,

    after all her late 90s sales were counted..!

    And after record sales , let’s not forget who is able

    to sellout stadiums and sell dvds.

    Celine outsels Mariah in everything,even perfumes ! LOL !

    Finally,if you really want us to believe TRISH and Momo

    are not the same person , stop using same words and

    phrases such as ”anyone will see that” , ”vocal

    expert” , ”since everyone can listen” ! Lmao !

    This exact same process of thought and dumb thinking

    like TRISH !

    You are a laughable pathetic troll and nothing more.

    Get lost.

  165. TRISH says:

    @Lucky Luke: Hahaha ! you and your boys made me laugh Mariah usually holds long notes ! I don’t dislike Celine as I am her fan,I am simply objective.Admit it ,Celine beltings sound like a crowing rooster beside Mariah’s skillful , beautiful and graceful belts ! If Celine got particular voice ,I got particular voice too ! Moreover,I could sing in three different langagues So,I am even a more influencial female artist than her ! Hahahaha! I repeat : Celine is a very great artist on stage and a good comedian ! That’s all ! She really amuse people on stage.So,she’s really great !
    You look more like a fool than me when you seduce every male person who integrate this debate, what don’t you ashamed, slut ? Celine’s French songs impress you just because you know nothing on French language.You’re border in English language ,that’s why any average song in a different language ( from your idol of course ) sounds extraordinary and amazing in your ears ! Every French language persons who relly knows Celine’s impact in French music would laugh at you ! For example ,you’re apparently very impressed by Celine’s Le Blue Du Businessman ,that you always cite.etc… However,Except for the frequent beltings inside this song,this song have nothing special ! Celine’s voice is even not as good as it usually sound in her other songs ! Her voice even sound relatively too bitter in these song ! And you cited I drove All Night ,as one the Celine’s songs having her strongest beltings ! Stupid ! Moreover, what about vocal BEAUTY ? ? Do you think a voice can be good or beautiful only if it can make powerful belts ( I don’t mean Celine’s voice isn’t good ) ? If Cher or Tina or Britney could hit powerful notes and belts, would you think their voices are as beautiful or as good as other artists ?
    Celine has stronger volume than Madonna,Lady Gaga,Britney Spears and Cher. Sometimes,Madonna’s voice even sound more beautiful than Celine’s , even though Celine always got volume and power over Madonna’s voice.Compare Like A Virgin, Like A Prayer, Vogue ,Hung Up,La Isla Bonita with Celine’s Love Can Move Mountains, Misled, I Drove All Night, One Heart,Declaration Of Love,Treat Her Like A Lady,etc… Those Madonna’s vocal performances sound better ! Beyonce’s voice sound more beautiful than Celine’s in many of her songs.For one example, compare Beyonce’s The Star Spangled Banner to Celine’s version. Celine’s version sows just power and volume over Beyonce’s .Beyonce’s shows more vocal beauty ,including smoothnes,flexibility,sweetness,versatility,feminity,allure,grace,etc… Just vocal power and volume can’t determine the superiority of a voice.Tha’s why Christina’s voice is voted as better than Celine’s.
    The two undeniable queens of vocalists in musical history, stay WHITNEY HOUSTON and MARIAH CAREY ,that master not only vocal power and volume,but many many other vocal assets !
    Mariah got very soft songs ,that are much more soft than Celine’s :Mariah’s most soft song is The Wind . Her other soft songs include Fourth Of July,Bliss, Music Box, Looking In, Vanishing,etc…
    About sales,you never,ever proved anything showing Celine could ever equals Mariah on sales dear honey ! I am tired to give proves showing that Mariah sold over 300 million records worldwide and Celine about 195- 205 million records worldwide !
    @ Looloo: Nobody give a sh*t about your “technique terminology” People doesn’t need to read a stupidities about your “vocal technique” or your technique terminology and interpret them in favor of their favorite artist.Everyone got ears ! The most objective sense which can make very good and fair judgements ! Mariah voice is a billion times better than Celine’s.Of course you respect Celine and you like her ( though you’re not her fan ),your statements already show that . Oh ! I forgot: You are an European and Europeans hate Mariah naturally as claimed Shut Up.Mariah’s voice is better,Leave with it hater !Sorry, Mariah is not thin yet.So,you’ll never notice any talent in her ,cause unlike Celine,Mariah doesn’t got a nutcase tongue and doesn’t release nasal emotions .It’s useless to give your opinion here,nobody will swallow your “technique terminology” .It can’t elude us ! The question is who have a better voice among Mariah and Celine ? The obvious Answer is : Mariah carey have the better voice.Only Mariah haters and stupid ignorants try to claim the opposite ! Looloo, you can’t play the “vocal expert” game here,cause I’m here! Bye bye !
    @ Sonia:Of course gurl,Celine had released about 50 albums but she have 134 # 1 albums ! hahahaha! Why not 500 or 1000 # 1 albums ? Anyway ,Mariah has sold more albums than Celine !

  166. LuckyLuke says:

    01.No TRISH… I Don’t accept it. Celine is a better

    belter.Her beltings are always longer,sharper,

    stronger and she has better control of her voice

    when she belts.

    02.Moreover…I never said Celine was more influencial

    because she sings in different languages.

    You should learn how to read and not get confused by

    my posts as I am always clear. I repeat again :

    I Never said ”Celine is more influencial because

    she sings in different languages”. Besides, I don’t

    even think Celine is more influencial than Mariah

    so there is no way I would ever base my point on

    ”different languages” !!

    03.I have the ability of seducing people in debates.

    I take this as a compliment :-) You seem to forget that

    we don’t fight over who will get the more supporters.

    And to be honest, I don’t care fighting over skills like

    I told you many times in the past. I am here to talk

    about sales,like I did from my very first comment.

    But since you feel the need to talk about skills…

    Here I am !!

    04.You say Celine is a comedian and amuses people.This

    is not wrong.This phrase is correct.Celine fills

    stadiums because of her voice / hit songs / performing

    skills / personality / comedian moves.

    05.How do you know I don’t speak French ? Of course,I do.

    Besides,something you don’t know about me is that

    I pay much more attention to the lyrics of a song

    than the music.This is the number 1 reason I am a

    Mariah fan..! Because she is the most successful

    songwriter I know.

    05.Of course I Drove All Night has many beltings and

    many long notes. Le Blues Du Businessman is almost the

    French equivalent Of ”All By Myself”.

    But why do you care about this song so much ?

    Celine’s impressive notes are shown in countless

    songs. I am even bored to mention them.

    Vocal BEAUTY —> Subjective. Next —>

    Vocal SKILLS are OBJECTIVE.

    You mention ”smoothnes,flexibility,sweetness,versatility,feminity,allure,grace,”

    for Beyonce…Ok I can mention these adjectives and

    even more for Celine.This won’t lead us anywhere.

    Soft Songs -> L’Amour Existe Encore , S’il Suffisait

    D’aimer , The First Time Ever I Saw Your Face , Fly ,

    Skies Of LA ETC.

    You think you just proved anything by babbling

    the same phrases ? Nooooooope..!

    06.I never saw people laughing at Celine when she

    recieved awards by the prime minister of France.

    I never saw people laughing at Celine when it was

    announced she owns the TWO best selling French albums

    in History of music. I never saw people laughing

    when Celine was announced to be the most played artist

    of the 90s DECADE in France. I never saw people

    laughing when Celine performs french songs during her

    tours. I never saw people laughing when Celine recieved

    NON-francophone awards for francophone records. I never

    saw people laughing at Celine when she was recognised

    for her contribution to French culture by official

    awards.

    07.About sales. You never gave proof as what you claim

    CONTRADICTS with World Music Awards (150m for MC by

    2003) , Columbia Records (130m by 2000) ,

    Island Def Jam (2010) , Her Official Sites.

    PLUS You gave no certifications.

    PLUS no certifications and local awards from Asia.

    Nothing.So you proved nothing. Try again next time.

  167. LuckyLuke says:

    PS. -> Aguilera is a D-Class ”singer” that only knows

    how to scream.She has the skills but never learned how to

    use them correctly.She sounds like a man.She strains

    every time she tries to belt out a song,mainly in

    live perfomances.Check how she was OFF KEY during the

    Nation anthem.Celine has never been ”Off Key” ,

    singing WRONG notes,so you can’t compare them.

    Celine is in the business over 30 years and has NEVER

    sang in the wrong key,just screaming and straining to

    impress the audience.

    Ignorants were impressed by Aguilera KILLING the song

    ”It Is A Man’s Wolrd” at Grammy’s,cause the masses

    are easily impressed by loud screams.

    Screamtina will never ever ever be in a Celine

    level.Celine has more control,better low notes,

    a FEMALE voice full of grace. Even when Celine sounds

    really nasal (Early years and TC tour mainly) she is

    better than Xtina.Being Voted by people means nothing as

    Aguilera is credited the ”voice of her generation” !

    How can this be when Beyonce is out there ? this is

    BEYOND ME. She takes this biased title only because her

    generation SUCKS ! It is full of untalented people

    that dominate the charts -> Kesha , Katty Perry , Rihanna

    (I mean vocally untalented when I say ”untaleneted”)

    But still I don’t know how Christina is considered the BEST

    voice beside Beyonce,Leona Lewis,Kelly Clarkson,Jessica

    Simpson.

    Moreover lists are so unreliable.You probably know that

    Celine’s perfomance of ”My Heart Will Go On” at Grammy

    Awards is considered the 2nd BEST perfomance in the

    History of Grammy Awards !!

    Thinking of this fact, I laugh so hard because

    in REALITY , this happens to be THE WORST perfomance

    of this song.

    youtube.com/watch?v=off40peMvvA

    Listen to 4.09 —> ”Nooo othing I fear” and

    4.28 —> ”ForeeEEever” ! This is the definition

    of ”STRAINING” !!!

    Still ignorants actually VOTED this version, praising

    her vocals… -.-‘

    One of my favorite you tube videos ever.

    youtube.com/watch?v=4JfkxKR_mKw

    Please don’t mention her again. I already feel the need

    to vomit. When I read her name I remember some of her

    stans saying she could whistle better than MC !! :-O

    Don’t drop yourself to this level. You have high

    standards by supporting Mariah , Whitney , Beyonce ,

    Madonna , Celine…That’s enough. Talk about Floptina

    under topics such as ”Dogs Need Entertainment” !!!

  168. LuckyLuke says:

    @ Finally,you don’t know ANYTHING about ”techniqal

    terminology” and this is why you react like a scared

    puppy at Looloo’s knowledge. ”It can’t elude us” ,

    ”read a stupidities about your “vocal technique” ” ,

    ”can’t play the “vocal expert” game here,cause I’m

    here!” , ”Everyone got ears,The most objective sense

    which can make very good and fair judgements”,

    ”Europeans are Mariah haters”.

    —> Yes TRISH. We have ears ! What we say is based on

    our ears. You DARE to answer to ”technical terminology”

    with CHILDISH arguments. According to you (And Momo)

    We should forget technical terminology and start

    believing lists of magazines and ”just listen to their

    music” !! Uhmm…how old are you ? 14 ?

    When we say that Celine belts better than Mariah and

    that Mariah uses melisma better IT IS OBVIOUS THAT

    WE HAVE LISTENED TO THEIR SONGS !!

    You are here like the ultimate obsessed Mariah fan and

    you are obviously partial and biased in favor of her ,

    trying to give her proffesional and vocal assets she

    doesn’t possess,such as ”dncing skills” , or

    ”powerful,strong beltings”…

    On top of that you keep responding based on your

    subjective opinion and this is why you use subjective

    nouns and adjectives / words

    ”better,beautiful,dry,sour,calm,sweet” etc.

    Nothing shocking,really.I can put same words and even

    more in favour of Celine.Nothing hard.Nothing special.

  169. LuckyLuke says:

    You said :

    ”Of course gurl,Celine had released about 50 albums but

    she have 134 # 1 albums ! hahahaha!”

    You seem to forget that Celine’s 14 English releases

    alone,suprass Mariah’s 19 English releases when it

    comes to amount of peak positions (Number 1s), because

    Celine is popular in both big and micro markets,unlike

    Mariah,that reaches number 1 in Us (6 Number 1s there)

    and sometimes Australia and Canada.

    Celine has 14 Number 1s in France,12 Number 1s In

    Canada,4 Number 1s In Us,12 Number 1s in Belgium ,

    12 Number 1s In Switzerland,5 Australia,5 In UK ,

    6 In Norway and Netherlands and so on…

    What you said about Celine’s 50 albums is TOTALLY

    IRRELEVANT !

    Still,to be fair, number 1 albums prove nothing at all,

    because an album can peak at number 8 and still sell

    more copies than a number 1 album.

    All in All , Mariah has less number 1s and less records

    sold. Celine is ahead in album sales , DVD sales and

    ticket sales & residensy shows.Celine has taken part

    into commercially or critically successful soundtracks,

    while Mariah is credited for Film disasters and flops.

    On your comment ”Anyway Mariah has sold more !!”

    —-> ZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzZZZZZzzzzz !!!

  170. TRISH says:

    No,Mariah is a better belter than Celine ! Celine just belts more often than Mariah cause this is the only vocal asset she got . Furthermore,The Voice ( Mariah Carey ) have much more better control than Celine in her belts ! Celine haven’t control at all of her belts beside The Voice ! That’s why Celine can hit only straight belts ,and cannot sing her belts unlike The Voice !That’s also why Celine can play only with the volume of her belts,while Mariah is able to embellish her belts by many many particular vocal assets ! The Voice controls her belts so well that she can sing entire verses on belting unlike Celine ! And she also can deliver very complex and flexible melismas from her belts ! So it’s clear that she controls her belts better than Celine ! That’s also why Celine’s songs always sound the same and are Relatively easy to imitate unlike Mariah’s ! Mariah’s are much more challenging, by very far for any other vocalist ! About the strength of belts,Mariah beat Celine one more time,as I showed several times .There is many songs from Mariah that are cited here and who beat Celine’s on belting’s strength .So it’s useless to still talk about it .
    About the adjectives I used to cite for Mariah’s and Celine respective voices ,you lie ! You couldn’t cite the favorable adjectives I usually cite for Mariah for Celine cause they couldn’t match to Celine’s voice ! Hahahaha! You could use them for Celine only if the comparison was between Celine and Cher or Britney or another low-quality vocal artist ! However,Next to The ultimate voice,Celine’s voice sound really sour,dry,inflexible,stiff and all other adjectives I usually cited to her ,it’s undeniable !That’s doesn’t mean Celine’s voice is not good,this is only when Celine’s voice is putted next to to the greatest voice of all times : Mariah Carey’s voice! Mariah Carey ‘s voice Is so perfect, so unreachable ! A magical voice in all means !
    You said vocal beauty is subjective? Good! So,the one who said Britney’s voice was better and more beautiful than Celine’s was right ! Don’t say that vocal beauty is subjective just because Celine’s voice is not beautiful !
    You say : “ You use subjective
    nouns and adjectives / words
    ”better,beautiful,dry,sour,calm,sweet” etc.
    Nothing shocking,really.I can put same words and even
    more in favour of Celine.Nothing hard.Nothing special”
    Yes,you can put same words and even more in favor of Celine,but you couldn’t prove any of them by her songs ! Britney fans, Tina Turner fans,Lady Gaga fans,Cher fans,Rihanna fans,etc… can also write the same words but they couldn’t prove and back up it by the songs of their idols, just like you couldn’t for Celine .

    You said :“Yes TRISH. We have ears ! What we say is based on
    our ears”. Just ears of 2 persons (Looloo and you) among all the people of the whole world can’t challenge what the majority already admit ! You talk about ”technical terminology when it comes to Looloo, an amateur Celine’s supporter on a blog ? Hahahaha! Why do you say about professional experts from Guinness World Records? Blender Magazine ? Rolling Stones ? and all other organizations claiming Mariah the greatest voice ever and who even doesn’t rank Celine at the 5th place? Whitney Houston is always the second greatest voice behind Mariah in all these ranks ! Do you think that Looloo is better than all of them ? Hahahaha! So laughable ! Mariah is the greatest voice of all times according to everyone ! Celine isn’t the second not even the third nor the fourth ,but the ninth ! Celine is faaaaaaaaaaaaar behind Mariah ! Mimi is undeniably The number ONE ! So,it’s useless tryng to demand Celine’s voice equal Mariah’s ! Mariah stay The VOICE !

  171. TRISH says:

    It’s useless tryng to say that Mariah gets credit as a better voice because R&B and Hip Hop music is relevant nowadays and that it’s because of fans votes ! This claim include a lot of contradictions !
    In accordance with what you said before:
    1-Celine is the most popular artist in USA ,so more popular than Mariah ( Harris poll ).Therefore, she would have more votes than Mariah there !However,Facts show the opposite ! So Celine is not really more popular than Mariah in USA !
    2-Celine sold more in USA this decade than Mariah ,that’s mean she would have more supporters on the vote than Mariah !However, there are most people who vote for Mariah,so Mariah have sold much more than Celine in USA this decade !
    3-Around 6 million of people had buy Celine’s expensive concert tickets this decade ,Celine is also able to fill stadiums in Us and everywhere else worldwide while Mariah can’t.However,they voted Mariah as best and ultimate voice ever ! So tours are not relevant to popularity,success nor skills.
    4-Mainstream music in USA sucks nowadays ,that’s why Celine’s label doesn’t care about it for Celine,and rather made Celine improve herself as a AC singer .However,you say Mariah top the lists cause fans vote for Mariah as a R&B diva cause R&B is relevant nowadays !
    5-You asked “ where are Mariah’s fan base nowadays ? “,but you rightly answered yourself this question by your recent post ! hahahaha!
    CONCLUSION : You indirectly mean that Mariah still have much more fans than Celine worldwide ! ( not only American people had vote for Mariah ) Mariah carey is not only the greatest voice of the world ( voted by her own fans,but also by Celine’s fans who buy her concert tickets in North America and who voted Celine as their favorite artist ).Mariah is also more popular than Celine in USA ( you imply it unvoluntary ).Mariah still also have a strong fan base,and sold more than Celine in USA ! You see,honey ? You contradict all your previous lies by your recent claims ! Hahahah!

  172. TRISH says:

    Lucky Luke: I think you react like a polite puppy at Looloo’s “technical terminology” since he favor Celine in it,by he’s subjective interpretations.Lucky Luke ,are you Looloo’s lawyer ? If you’re not,let him reply my posts towards him by his own ! I didn’t accuse him on what I wrote ,I proved it in accordance with his own claims ! Everything Looloo claimed here in his statements and comparisons on Celine’s and Mariah’s voices proves that he don’t really know Mariah ‘s voice at all ! Nevertheless,he jumped here and started to claim by his “ technical terminologies “ that Celine’s voice was healthier than Mariah’s ! In accordance to Looloo ,everything Mariah usually does vocally ( including melismas ,R&B vocal style ,etc…) are easy to do while Celine’s straight ,stiff and predictable belts are of course difficults ! !! What a stupid joke !There is only Looloo and you whom think so in the whole world ! That’s also why he didn’t even know that Mariah has sung songs that are much more soft than Celine,whereas he stated that Mariah used only curbling in upper register unlike Celine ! Obviously,He also don’t know Mariah’s powerfullest songs nor strongest beltings while he post his partial statements in favor of Celine here .
    Every Europeans who take part on these forums ( except for me fortunately ) show a hostility toward Mariah Carey,specially when MC is compared to Celine Dion or to Madonna ! They ALWAYS does ! They even doesn’t try to hide it ! Even if one of them claim he’s not a Celine’s or Madonna’s fan,he still show a personal preference for these women over MC and express to them more sympathy, more respect,etc… As if Celine and/or Madonna were the only female artists who collect everything combined over any other female artists : talent,particular voice, sales, skills, popularity, impact in music, contributions,etc…
    Female Music hang aroung only these 2 ladies in Europe ( Madonna and Celine ) ,but not everywhere else in the world fortunately ! The rest of the world is more objective and obviously more open-minded than Europe ,and they can appreciate the music and the talent of much more female artists ,regardless of stupid and petty criterions !For them, the beauty and the quality of the art is more important than all the rest.
    I am sure ,if Europeans would rank the 10 ,the 20 or even the 100 best and greatest voices of the world in a list ,Mariah wouldn’t be in their list at all !Otherwise,They could rank Mariah only at an insignificant rank ,on a list of 100 greatest voices !
    If every other peoples ( Americans,Asians,Latin Americans,Oceanians,etc…) were like Europeans,only Celine Dion and Madonna would be huge international female artists,and would be considered as the greatest and the ultimate respectable divas in the world !Any other female artists would be even close to them ,wether they would be much more talentuous,wether they would have much more impact on music,etc..That’s also mean that a such talented, gifted musical genius as Mariah Carey would be wasted,and many average/unskilfull female vocalists and untalented artists would ride roughshod over Mariah’s so extraordinary and so beautiful and skilful God-given voice by their successes and acclamations ! Unthinkable ! It’s very stupid to compare Celine’s voice wiith Mariah’s !
    About the size of European market, Celine and Madonna are the only female to have 1 diamond album each,in Europe ( even Nana Mouskouri,the so-called best-selling European female artist haven’t ) ,while America got a countless number of female artists having Diamond albums : Toni Braxton,Carole King,Barbra Streisand,Britney Spears,Dixie Chicks,Shania Twain,Mimi,Whitney Houston,Cher,Alanis Morissette,Madonna,Celine Dion,etc… !There are even many of these women that have 2 diamond albums ,in USA ! Besides,even the artists making “ mainstream crap music “ like you usually call their work ,have Diamond certifications in USA .For example,the Rapper 50 Cent already owns 2 Diamond albums in US ( and he got popularity there only since 2002 )! There are innumerable others “ mainstream irrelevant artists “that are great sellers in USA.No wonder,USA is a huge and big market for everyone, not just for a certain “ club “ of artists . USA is undeniably a much bigger market than Europe by very very far !And USA still the greatest market by far ,till today ! Europe is a huge market only beside Africa,Oceania or Latin America (A part of American continent).Asia is a very bigger market than Europe although they doesn’t use a lot of western music ! Europe is a small market beside Asia !I could continue but I’ll leave at that .
    Bye ,A lot of Kisses 4 U !

  173. TRISH says:

    You call me Troll ? You surely mean Celine Dion,cause she’s the only one troll among the artists we talk about here.Unlike her I am not ugly,nor wrinkled nor creep ! Also my voice and my tongue are straight and not damaged .Don’t think that I am an animal ,you make a mistake dear ass*ole cause unlike you who is a spoil and creep animal,I am a girl ! Moreover,my mom is not a pig unlike yours ! and I am not a creep dog unlike you. See ?
    Besides,unlike you who are always behind your PC,everyday and everytime,I got a life out of these blogs ,OK ? That’s why my answers are often not up to date !
    Mimi sold over 300 million records worldwide ! Of course,I don’t signed in her Official Site since long ago because of haters like you who are disguished in “real fans” and decrease Mariah’s certifications and sales even in her own Official Site ! That’s why you always said that you are a lamb although everyone notice in these debates how much you hate Mariah.It’s seems like you even hate Mariah more than Moff and Shutup ! Dear,You can say anything you want,but everything proves that Mimi outsold Madonna and Celine by huge difference !
    You’re right,there is no internet page talking about Madonna Vs Celine as best selling female artist.But Madonna Vs The Voice ( Mariah Carey ).Celine is behind these 2 best selling female artists.On what do you base your arguments trying to demand Celine as one of the two best female seller artists? On her tours ? Hahahaha! As I already show, tours is the only,ONLY achievement Celine got as impressive relatively to other huge female artists ! That’s why you always talk about her tours and her concert Tickets !But about nothing else ! Contribution and mark on music ? Songwriting and producing skills ? Influence on international artist ? How Celine could ever sold as much as another artist who combine all those assets ? Because she amuse people on stage ? Hahahaha! It’s not enough very dear ! Celine is faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar behind The Voice on sales ! It’s not by nothing that Mimi has the greatest voice ever and is the greatest singer of all times !

    PS to every subjective europeans : Mariah Carey will be praised for her music on the future by you cause she will be as thin as Susan Boyle , as beautiful as Celine Dion and as classy as Madonna also as much a respectable lady as Madonna. Then she will collect all the assets these 3 female artists have ,and that she don’t have currently !
    Your petty thoughts can’t change the fact that the VOICE is the best selling female artist of all times and the most talentuous artist ever !

    Have a beautiful week-End (not behind your PC…Lol !)!

  174. MOFF says:

    Madonna and Celine will be praised for their music as well, Trish.
    Why can’t Mariah fill stadiums even in the U.S. ?
    Poor Mariah.

  175. LuckyLuke says:

    01.You came back after 5 days to insist ? Ok !

    I INSIST TOO ! Celine is a better belter than Mariah.

    Mariah uses more often melisma and vocal runs and

    whistles which are rather smart ways to decorate a song

    than real singing.

    Celine uses powerful beltings in many songs

    -> All By Myself , The Power Of Love , I Drove All Night

    , My Heart Will Go On , I Surrender. (Mention a few)

    Celine has up tempo songs ranging from reggae to pop and

    rnb or rock such as Treat Her Like A Lady , Sorry For

    Love , Love Is All We Need ,Dans Un Autre Monde , Ten

    Days where her vocals are shown.

    Celine has many songs proving she can hit low notes

    effortlessly such as Where Is The Love , Tu Nages ,

    Berceuse , If I were you. & PROVED by her latest

    perfomances of ”Lullaby (Goodbye,My Angel)” in Oprah

    and ”Smile” at the Oscars.

    02.Of course I can mention many adjectives for Celine’s

    voice over Mariah’s but this is only my OPINION.

    Nothing more.

    Vocal beauty is subjective. This is why EVERY singer has

    some fans…even the untalented ones.

    If people like Britney’s voice over Celine’s GOOD FOR

    THEM !! I don’t mind at all.

    The only thing I can’t understand is why they have

    to post it under the ”Celine vs Mariah” debate..!

    This is what annoyed me in the past.

    I could many adjectives to praise Celine’s voice

    but still this is my OPINION.There are people that don’t

    stand her voice.Same goes for Mariah.

    03.The majority,dear,as of 2011 thinks Celine is the

    only vocalist of the big 3 (Whitney,Celine,Mariah)

    that kept her voice in a great shape. The majority

    thinks Mariah can’t hold a candle next to Celine

    vocally nowadays , which is obviously NOT RIGHT,

    cause they think based on some bad perfomances

    of Mariah such as ”I’ll be there” the MJ funeral.

    So don’t use the ”majority” argument on me,

    because FACTS prove that the majority prefers Celinish

    albums and the mahjority pays money to attend Celinish

    concerts. The ”majority” arguments is really an

    epic fail.So forget about the majority.

    04.Proffesional Experts from magazines ? Ha ha ha !!

    This is why it is IMPOSSIBLE to even discuss with you !!

    You are going to swallow everything posted in magazines!

    These lists are fan made.

    – Stop writing ”hahahha” after each phrase cause

    you seem retarded. –

    05.A)The Harris Poll you fool was about Adult

    Contemporary artists and ages over 30 !! Mariah is

    considered an Rnb artist since 1997..! Wake up ! Your

    first argument is DOWN.

    B)Mariah has sold much more records in total compared to

    Celine in Us…Even in this decade…Celine suprassed

    her in ALBUM sales in Us,not records in total.

    So Mariah has more supporters even after the Memoirs and

    MXS2U Flopped.Second Argument DOWN.

    C)The fact that Mariah can’t sell out in Us is rather a

    proof that she not a great performer ! I never implied

    she can’t fill stadiums because of her voice…Your 3rd

    argument fails.

    D)Mainstream music indeed sucks because it is filled with

    easy listening songs with no vocal demands. STILL, Mariah

    was able to SHINE this decade with vocal albums like

    TEOM !! She is indeed a great mainstream rnb diva,so it

    is logical that the masses that buy magazines will

    support her.4th argument FAILS.

    E)Mariah has a fan base…but it is obvious her fan base

    is sleeping OR is not impressed by her effoerts. This is

    true ! As of 2011 her fan base is nowhere. Final

    argument to prove I contradict is gone…!!

    RESULT —> You create contradictions OUT OF YOUR MIND

    Let me be CLEAR once again

    —> Mariah is more popular than Celine In Us ! She has

    a strong fan base there consisting of younger people

    compared to Celine’s !

    Lists in magazines mean nothing at all..!

    Don’t fool yourself that vocal experts created these

    lists. Come on !!

    06.You are right that I shouldn’t answer for

    Looloo.Still,I agree in what he said.

    07.Now on Europeans…you seem to forget that the music

    heard in Europe is 100 times more CLASSY than the

    music in Us , for instance !!

    In Europe rock , dance pop , some rnb are popular genres

    Us market is filled with untalented rappers

    and cheap whores to be featured in songs just to make

    forgettable hits.

    Maybe it’s time for you to migrate..!

    The only reason Mariah is not popular here is because

    she is an rnb singer and rnb songs are not THAT popular

    in Europe.European’s don’t hate Mariah at all. She is

    respected for her voice and hit vocal songs such as Hero

    , Without You , All I Want For Xmas Is U , Fantasy

    will always be remembered. She sold over 25m albums in

    Europe which makes her successful , just not to the

    level of Madonna and Celine , but this is why

    Madonna and Celine do pop music.

    You also seem to forget that Africa and Canada

    and N.America are markets were Celine is

    much more popular than Mariah…so take it easy..!

    08.Artists reaching Diamond in Us proves nothing about

    the size of the market..! More sales come from Us..this

    is true.But this is relevant why ?

    You forget that Us is a country while Europe is

    a continent. These markets – when it comes

    to music- are the same cause of their certification

    levels but people think Us is bigger because

    it is a country…not a continent !!

    So it is logical to be impressed that a country

    equals a continent in music sales.

    Moreover if they way you think is correct…

    (that Us is bigger because more sales come from there)

    this means that Europe is much Bigger than Asia becuase

    a few sales come from there !! Mariah is the only

    artist to have so many million albums in Japan..!

    Besides , Japan is the only big market in Asia.

    Europe has THREE huge markets and it is so

    easy to reach million there..! Just a

    2 Platinum certification is enough in Germany

    to reach million in sales,while in Japan a 5 platinum

    certification is needed to reach the 1 million mark.

    09.You call Celine troll ? ugly ? creep ? damaged ?

    Sorry but YOU ARE A HATER !!! :-)

    I Never said anything mean for Mariah…just that she

    doesn’t belt like Celine and that she sold less records.

    This doesn’t make me a hater becuase her sales are

    proved by her labels,sites,awards and media..!

    You live in your own daydream where Mariah’s official

    sites are not to be trusted because HER sites reduce her

    sales !! LMAO (Honestly , I laughed at this)

    10.Finally you say ”everything proves that Mimi outsold

    Celine” Uhmm… everything ? what do you mean by that ?

    and before you reply ”detailed datas” explain

    what you mean by ”detailed datas”… :-)

    You won’t get over with me using generic phrases :)

    11.There are debates featuring Mariah because there is a

    huge fight between Madonna and Mariah fans and a huge

    fight between Mariah and Celine fans.Madonna and Celine

    fans rarely argue..!

    Don’t base your argument on popdirt debates.This is just

    ridiculous and laughable.

    12.I base my arguments that Celine is

    the best seller over MC

    on her certifications that are also proved by awards

    and posted all over the internet.

    Tours just confirm what I say.

    I already talked about her mark,influence on

    international artists.Celine doesn’t amuse people on

    stage.First she sings. Then the rest.

    Celine is far ahead Mariah in sales. It is not by nothing

    that Celine has the strongest and most angelic voice

    of all times ! (See ? I can do what you do easily)

    13.I don’t know why you still avoid facing the fact that

    I said CLEARLY

    – Mariah is a vocal legend , – Mariah is my favorite

    songwriter , – Mariah excells in melisma , whistle notes

    vocal runs , – Mariah is beautiful , – Mariah is a canny

    producer , – Mariah deserved all her awards – Mariah

    is a great influence on artist.

    I guess you have selective amnesia..!

  176. Tane says:

    mariah is way better….so be quiet about ur Celine Dion crap! Mariah Carey has sold more albums than Celine Dion as of from 1990 to 2010…Mariah Carey came out 10 years later tahts is why she is the top

  177. Tane says:

    okay trish and luke enough about all this nonsense Mariah Carey and Celine Dion have all been named the worlds biggest selling female artists of all time, the both got the diamond awards…but! Mariah Carey got the millenium award for biggest selling female artist of all time…so its obvious whos bettter

    but worldwide sales are like even now both sellng over 200 million albums worldwide and over 60 million singles worldwide….

    celine has bigger concerts tours because Mariah Carey doesn’t really tour that much….

    but my opinioon

    Mariah Careys voice is more unique no voice in the world can match hers and no one can do her riffs and runs they are to hard and difficuilt….MARIAH ALL THE WAY

    ALL THIS CELINE CRAP, MOST OF ITS FAKE TO GET UR WAY OF WHOS BETTTER LUKE SO BACK OF AND LET THE QUEEN OF POP MC DO HER WORK!!

  178. LuckyLuke says:

    @ Tane

    Wake up and face reality ! Mariah got her 2003 for

    official sales of 150m albums and Celine in 2004 for

    sales of 175m albums ! Even after TEOM this difference

    is not covered !

    Mariah got her 2000 award because she had her most

    success in early 90’s so her sales by 2000 were counted

    accurately.Mariah had sold 130m albums by 2000.

    Celine had her success in LATE 90s and her

    sales of her blockbuster albums (These Are Special Times

    , Let’s Talk About Love , D’Eux , All The Way) were

    counted after 2001 ! TO BE EXACT Let’s Talk About Love

    recieved an award for its sales in 2003 ! Got that ?

    2003 !!

    You are the one that should stop spreading CRAP !

    You base you opinion on OLD awards while Celine

    has way more recnet awards and many local awards

    proving her sales even in micro markets.

    Moreover you say Celine outsels in Mariah in tickets

    because Mariah doesn’t tour ! Oh really ?

    Put Celine and Mariah to pull out 100 concerts

    in the SAME arenas and you’ll see who sells out !!

    Celine outsels Mariah in tours because her voice as

    of 2011 is in a better shape & she possesses

    performing skills Mariah would only dream of !!

    How can you call Mariah the queen of POP music

    you fool ? Mariah is an RNB Queen ! Nothing close

    to pop music.

    Inform yourself on awards , titles and certifications

    & music genres and come back !!

    On your opinion about Mariah’s voice…well it is

    your opinion and I respect it.

    PS -> You forgot to mention Dvd sales where Celine

    once again slays Mariah.

  179. TRISH says:

    @ Tane : I agree with you at 100 % !
    @ Moff : Not as well as Mariah, since they haven’t Mariah’s exceptional talent ! Moff,
    Why can’t Celine has number 1 hits even in Eurochart ? Nor in the U.S. ? Why Madonna can’t influence artists by her singing style ?
    Poor Celine & Madonna.
    @ Lucky Luke:
    You came back just the same day to insist ? ( you even not took a break of a few days to make other things !!! What would you do with your life if there was no internet and no PC ??? ) Ok !
    I INSIST TOO ! Mariah is a better live performer than Celine.
    Celine uses humorous tricks, friendly improvisations and comedic moves to amuse people and make them interested in her tours .Clever Celine ! It’s not bad , cause the public love it and is rightly entertained with Celine on stage . But Mariah’s vocal performances on stage are 100 times better than Celine’s ,although Celine entertains her public better with her tricks on stage.

    Mariah’s songs got much better belts than Celine’s !
    -> Open Arms,Never Too Far, Without you , Lead The Way,Whenever You Call
    , Against All Odds , , Vision Of Love,The Star Spangled Banner, (Mention a few)
    To the Celine’s level,Britney, Rihanna,Cher,Janet, J-Lo,etc… have all up tempo songs ranging from reggae to pop and
    rnb or rock such as You Drive Me Crazy, I’m A Slave For You, The Power,Everytime,Love Don’t Cost A thing, Strong Enough, Runaway, Umbrella,Believe, , Rude Boy,etc….
    Like Celine, all these girls have many songs proving they can hit low notes
    effortlessly such as I’m Not A Girl, We All Sleep Alone, I Found Someone,Control, Waiting For Tonight,Let’s Get Loud, Love Is The Groove,etc…
    However,Beyonce,Mary J Blige and Toni Braxton kills Celine Dion on vocal flexibility .Knowles and Braxton also kills Dion on ability to hit low notes ! Celine could never hit Beyonce’s low notes in “ Bills Bills Bills,Halo,etc,or Toni Braxton’s low notes ,in any Braxton’s songs ( Unbreak My Heart, Breathe Again, Let It Flow,etc…) !Toni Braxton is the queen of low notes .She’s ranked behind Mimi cause ,only Mariah can beat Toni Braxton on low notes! Even Whitney Houston can’t.
    To the Mariah level: Whitney Houston is the only one vocalist collecting many significant vocal assets ( including the ability to hit low notes, singing on high notes ) and also great sing ability that make her the closest female artist to Mariah Carey vocally .Let’s see :
    – Best Powerful soulful ballad songs:
    Vision Of Love – One Moment In Time
    Butterfly – Didn’t We Almost Have It All
    Without You – I Will Always Love You
    Anytime You Need A friend – All The Man That I Need
    Till The End Of Time – I Have Nothing
    – Hottest/Powerfullests Pop/Rock dance songs :

    – Fantasy – How Will I Know
    – Emotions – I Wanna Dance With Somebody
    – You’re So Cold – Queen Of The Night

    Best Pop Gospel Songs:

    Fly Like A Bird /Jesus Oh What A Wonderful Child – Joy To The World

    Best Soft songs

    The Wind – After We Make Love
    Loolkin’ In – I Believe In You And Me
    Underneath The Stars – Just The Lonely Talking Again

    Best R&B Songs

    Honey – My Love Is Your Love

    We Belong Together – It’s Not Right But It’s Okay

    Both have an very amazing and skilfull rendition of the National Anthem !

    Both share the best covering versions of some Chritmas Songs

    Mariah Whitney

    O Holy Night Joy To The World

    Silent Night Do You Hear What I Hear

    O Come All Ye Faithfull Who Would Imagine A King

    Hark The Herald Angels Sing

    .Of course we can mention many adjectives for these female voices over Celine’s
    but this would be not just our OPINION,but also facts cause we can listen on them and notice many vocal assets and qualities they have over Celine ,even though Celine is a great and skilful vocalist.

    I agree, Vocal beauty is subjective. This is why EVERY singer has
    some fans…even the untalented ones.
    Anyone could use many adjectives to praise any female artist voice
    VOCAL BEAUTY is not subjective ! Vocal beauty is a fact ,cause we can notice the qualities and the abilities of voice.When these qualities are collected and combined very well ,they form vocal beauty .Don’t confound it with taste ! There is different vocal tastes,but,vocal beauty still undeniable.A Cher or a Britney’s fan wouldn’t say that Cher or Britney’s voice is more beautiful than Celine’s or than Beyonce’s .He would say that he PREFERS Cher or Britney’s voice ( cause it touch him better, etc…).
    albums and the majority buys Mariah’s singles and listen to her songs on radios airplay !
    -Reliable sources from institutions like Guiness,Wikipedia,IFPI,etc ? Reliable datas sales from these partial institutions? Ha ha ha !!
    This is why it is IMPOSSIBLE to even discuss with you !!
    You are going to swallow everything posted in links and lists institutions !
    These links and sources are partial.

    The Harris Poll you fool was about Every US artists !
    The fact that Celine can’t have number 1 hit in major charts is a proof that her music is not as good as Mariah’s.
    D) Mainstream music doesn’t sucks ,since there are people who love it .It’s just your opinion cause you already claim the contrary when you said that beauty is subjective ,and that’s why even untalented artists have fans that appreciate their stuff .

    Links in internet mean nothing at all..!
    Don’t fool yourself that sales experts created these
    links. Come on !
    .Now on European,you said: “you seem to forget that the music
    heard in Europe is 100 times more CLASSY than the
    music in Us , for instance !!” You’re right ! That’s why Madonna is the most successful female artist there ! Madonna’s music is really more classy music than music from any other female artists ! That also why Eminem is so successful there ( more successful than Mariah Carey there ), cause his music is much more classy ! Rihanna already owns 5 # 1 in Eurochart, alongside a 6 year of career ( Mariah have only 1 # 1 there after 20 years of career ).Britney Spears,Lady Gaga,etc.. are currently all more successful in Europe than Mariah ( they have more # 1 hits there than Mariah and their average album/sale per year surpass Mariah’s by far ) .Yes,” Us market is filled with untalented rappers
    and cheap whores to be featured in songs just to make
    forgettable hits.” You just forget that Eminem is a rapper, and he is the living male artist having the most # 1 hits in Eurochart ! Although I know nothing on Rap music,I can say that Eminem is surely not the more talented rapper ever ! About the cheap whores you talk about Rihanna,Lady Gaga,Katty Perry,Britney Spears ( which is in the league of expensive whores since her huge success ) that top mainstream music in USA, they tops Mariah not only in USA,but ABOVE ALL in Europe ! Europe even supports these mainstream female artists more than Mariah !Moreover, Madonna started out like them ,in Pop music ( then she was a cheap whore ) .But now,she’s the greatest ( expensive ) musical whore that rules in Europe.USA supported Mariah’s debut as an extraordinary talented vocalist while Europe supported Madonna’s extravaguant stuff .So,you’re wrong .The music heard in Europe is not more classy than the music in US ! The only true difference is in the respective MUSICAL GENRES that rules in Europe and in USA : R&B/Hip Hop rules in US,while Rock and Dance Pop rules in Europe.But that’s doesn’t mean music heard in Europe is more classy !This is your opinion (Except for Mariah’s Hip Hop/R&B music ,I don’t like this musical genre. ,I prefer Pop generally.But I won’t say Pop is more classy than R&B ). Britney’s Pop music can’t be said more classy than Beyonce’s R&B music ! Madonna’s Pop music is not more classy than Mariah’s R&B music.
    Mariah is unpopular in Europe not just cause she’s an R&B singer. Even when Mariah made only Pop music,Europeans didn’t supported her like they supported other female artists like Madonna,Celine or even Whitney . Otherwise,how Merry Christmas European sales could ever stand at 1 million in Europe since 1994 ? Although Europeans love so much All I Want For Christmas Is You ? Merry Christmas is a pop album like most of 1990 Mariah’s albums.Mariah Carey, Emotions,MTV Unplugged EP,Merry Christmas,Butterfly,Rainbow,TEOM are all certified just 1 million sales each in Europe since their release until now! Either these albums are all undercertified,either Europeans just dislike Mariah Carey.Rihanna already owns 5 number 1 Hits in Eurochart.So,Europeans doesn’t dislike R&B music so much.I Want To Know What Love Is is an very amazing pop ballad song.If it was Celine who had release this single ,it would surely became a big Hit in Europe.If Europeans were really impartial,Mariah and Celine would sold approximately the same number of records in Europe,cause Celine’s vocal style and Pop music is very similar to Mariah’s .
    Besides,Europe even support Beyonce’s and Rihanna’s R&B songs much more than Mariah’s which is more talented vocally over these R&B singers ! Even Asia ( which is culturally very far to R&B/Hip Hop ) support Mariah’s R&B stuff much more than Europe .So,Europeans like any other female artists unlike Mariah Carey .
    What do you mean by Celine is more popular than Mariah in N.America ? ( North America mean USA + Canada ) Celine is more popular than Mariah only in Canada,Europe and Africa ,Mariah is more popular than Celine in USA,Latin America,Asia ( the largest continent,having more people than all other continents combined ) and Oceania ( except for Australia,that Celine have an insignificant advantage on albums sales over Mariah ).Globally, Mariah is more popular than Celine .
    …so take it easy..!
    Artists reaching Diamond in Us proves everything about
    the size of the market..! Cause albums doesn’t sold as much in Europe.Much more sales come from Us.
    This is true and this is very relevant
    Not only cause Us is a country while Europe is
    a continent. These markets – when it comes
    to music- are not the same just because of their same certification
    levels but European people think Europe equal US just because Platinum certifications mean 1 million sales in both markets.But Us is much bigger because albums reach platinum sales much more often in US than Europe,although US is just a country whereas Europe is a continent !
    SO IT’S LOGICAL TO BE IMPRESSED THAT A COUNTRY SURPASSES A CONTINENT IN MUSIC SALES !!!
    .

    .Artists reaching Diamond in Us proves that US is a bigger market than Europe about
    the size of the market..! More sales come from US.
    Although US is a country ,it’s a much bigger market than Europe which is a continent ! There is more than 15 female artists that have certified Diamond albums in this country some of them even have 2 Diamond albums,whereas there is only 2 female artists that have 1 album Diamond each in all the European continent ! It also have much more artists having albums reaching platinum and multi-platinum status in USA than in Europe !So Yeas,this is logical to be impressed that a country surpass by far a continent in music sales.
    Moreover ,Asia is a bigger market than Europe cause more sales come from Asia than Europe (a few western music relatively,but a lot of eastern/Asian music stuff ) .
    Mariah is the only
    WESTERN artist to have so many million albums in Japan..,and in Asia! Japan is the bigger market of Asia, but there are also Korea, Hong Kong,China and Taiwan that are big markets in Asia .Besides,Asia is a bigger market than Europe because it collect much more countries than Europe,and these countries have much more people than European ones .So when they are combined,they surpass European’s sales easily.
    Besides , UK ,Germany and France are the only big market in Europe, and it is so
    easy to reach million sales in Japan alone than these 3 markets combined !
    You call me troll ? bitch ? trash ? animal ? That I suffer from a QI deficiency ? That I am a sick mind ?
    Sorry but YOU ARE A HATER !!! :-)
    I just reply to your insults ! I never said Celine’s voice is not good !…just that her voice isn’t as good as Mariah’s and that Mariah sold more records !
    This doesn’t make me a hater because her sales are
    inflated by her labels,sites,awards and medias..!
    You live in your own nasal hole where Celine’s sales are huge only in biased links,lists,sources and sites
    .
    Links,sources,lists,sites are to be trusted because they inflated Celine’s sales and rank her ahead of The Voice !! LMAO (Honestly , I laughed at this)
    There are debates Mariah featuring Madonna, because Madonna is the only female artist behind Mariah who sold the most records worldwide and she’s the only one that worth enough to be compare with Mimi on sales !There are not only Popdirt debates that face MC to Madonna.There numerous others.
    I base my arguments that The Voice is
    the best seller over Madonna and Celine
    on her certifications,awards and on her huge sales which are not certified in Asia,cause too much important there,Asia got too much people that any institution can’t count Mariah’s sales there !
    – Hits and Mariah’s huge influence worldwide just confirm what I say.
    I already talked about Mariah’s tours and concerts !
    Mariah is far ahead Celine in sales. It is not by nothing
    that Mariah is the The most influencial female artist EVER ! The queen of musical LEGACY ! The Voice ! The Songbird Supreme ! The queen of various musical genres ! The best performer of all times ! The queen of R&B ! The queen of powerful ballads ! The queen of melismas ! The queen of vocal versatility ! The queen of low and deep notes ! The queen of high notes ! The queen of powerful and strong belts ! The greatest Voice of all times!! The greatest singer of all times !
    Guinness World Records, Blender, Rolling Stones, MTV Countdown,etc… agree with me !
    Her innumerable artistical influences and musical contributions agree with me ! And people all around the world agree with me !
    Moreover,Mariah is the undeniable Best Selling Female Artist Of All Times ! The greatest female artist of all times ! The queen of music overall ! The unreachable and untouchable Voice !

  180. LuckyLuke says:

    Mariah is a bad live performer cause she can’t move ,

    can’t dance and even while singing she has the same

    facial expression ”where are my car keys ?” !!

    Celine sells out because she is an outstanding

    vocalist (you said it in the past) , an improved

    performer ! If people wanted to laugh they would pay

    20 dollars to attend the CIRCUS and not 200 dollars

    to attend a concert.

    YOU ARE SO DESPERATE TO TAKE CELINE DOWN FU**ING HATER

    THAT YOU HAVE TO MENTION BEYONCE , AGUILERA , BRAXTON ,

    HOUSTON , MADONNA , BRITNEY ! Lmao !

    If you like them , good for you..!

    You only write your opinion and nothing more and

    I couldn’t care LESS about it !

    Celine is the best belter out there right now !

    IFPI Is not partial. Wikiepdia is NOT to be trusted. I

    said it before…

    It is IMPOSSIBLE TO Discuss with a person that

    doesn’t trust all the instituions that THROW

    TO HER FACE the fact that Mariah is behing Celine !!

    Number 1 hits have nothing to do with QUALITY ,

    You stupid troll !! Obsessed reached number 7

    at Billboard and Fly Like A Bird FLOPPED…

    Does this mean Fly Like A Bird is a worse song ?

    Answer : NO !

    So the statement ” Celine’s music is not good as

    Mariah cause she doesn’t have number 1 single” is a

    FAIL.

    Eminem is the most overrated rapper ever ! when I said

    ”Classsy” I mean mostly that Europe has

    VARIETY in music genres..! Still you dumb bitch

    I mentioned that Mariah SHINES in Us ! I don’t

    see you comment on this ! why ? because once

    again I said sth GOOD for Mariah ?

    ”Madonna’s pop music is not more classy than Mariah’s

    rnb music” !! ha ha ha !! This is only your opinion and

    strangly I have the same opinion.

    Celine’s Xmas Album is only Platinum in Europe as

    well…so you still don’t prove Europeans hate MC.

    Mariah’s Music Box reached 7 times platinum in Europe

    BECAUSE IT IS HER ONLY FULL – POP ALBUM !

    NO SOUL ! NO RNB ! (Exeption ”Never Forget U”)

    All singles were POP —> Dreamlover , Hero , Without

    You..!

    Do you MJ Blidge have success in Europe ? NO !

    Alicia Keys ? Limited… Mariah alongside with

    Beyonce are the most successful Rnb Singers.

    It is all about the genre.

    Celine does only pop ! Besides , you HAVE SOME NERVE

    Calling partial people of YOUR continent because

    they support Celine !!

    Us people are objective and Europeans Partial !!

    Ts ts ts !!

    I Prefer to say that people have different tastes and

    I respect these tastes , even if I think that mainstream

    music sucks.

    Rihanna does more pop than rnb and Beyonce even tries

    to make her skin look more WHITE in order to

    sell in Europe !! Wake Up !!!!!!!!

    Celine outsells Mariah in Oceania AND N.America..!

    In Austrlia she is ahead of Mariah for 200k …

    this difference is not covered by New Zealand where

    and album reaches platinum with sales of 15k !!

    Europe and Us are EQUAL ! Swallow it !

    It is HARDER to sell more albums in Europe because

    Europe consists of TOTALLY DIFFERENT CULTURES and

    markets…Even if Europe is smaller this doesn’t change

    the fact that Celine’s sales here reach the 60m mark.

    WESTERN MUSIC IS NOT POPULAR IN ASIA !!

    THIS IS YOUR BIGGEST LIE !

    Europe Is MUCH BIGGER than Asia !

    Europe has 3 huge markets , BIGGER than Japan !!

    Korea , China and Hong Kong are at the same level

    as Spain and Italy !! GIVE IT A REST !

    OF COURSE I AM A HATER ! I DISPISE YOU !

    Not Mariah ! YOU INSULTED Celine

    (troll,ugly,bitch,comedian-no skilled)

    so you are a FU**ING HATER and nothing more !!

    You only copy paste answers to make a point.

    I live in a nasal world ? Ha ha ha ha !!

    In my planet , called EATH , Celine outsels

    Mariah in albums , DVDs , tours and is awarded

    for this … this is shown by reliable sources !!

    Keep Daydreaming while claiming

    BILLBOARD / IFPI / RIAA / NIELSEN SOUNDSCAN /

    MARIAH’S SITES / LABELS are all turned

    against MC !! Ha ha ha ha !!

    Moreover…fans make magazines lists…but

    do fans create Nielsen Soundscan lists ? NO !

    CELINE IS AHEAH OF ”THE VOICE” ! Now Laugh !

    Honesly you laughed at this ? Ha ha !!

    LAUGH AGAIN WHORE ! Celine slays Mariah

    in album sales (proved by certifications and awards

    – even local awards) , Dvd sales and of course touring!!

    Numerous other debates claiming Celine sold less

    than Mariah ? ha ha ! so I should forget about

    certifications and awards and start believe

    debate titles ! you are so dumb :D

    You said —>

    ”Asia got too much people that any institution can’t

    count Mariah’s sales there !”

    ——-> THERE ARE CERTIFICATIONS ! YOU JUST DON’T KNOW

    THEM ! HER SALES ARE COUNTED !

    And even with 50m sales in Asia she still doesn’t

    suprass Celine’s sales.

    LOOK I DO WHAT YOU DO —> I CAN BE IN DELIRIUM AS WELL

    —>

    Celine is the queen of music ! The best AC Performer !

    The best selling franch artist ! The standard for

    every entertainer in Vegas ! The Best Voice !

    The Queen of Beltings and long notes ! The

    Most awarded Artist ! Celine sold over 1 BILLION

    COPIES AS her global sales prove ! The Angelic Voice !

    The queen of soft full notes ! The sweetest voice !

    —> I really laugh my ass out while I write all these.

    Keep Dreaming Bitch…Debating with you is almost over.

  181. MOFF says:

    Trish, it doesn’t make sense to debate with Trish.
    We should go on with the clarification for this debate, like in the Madonna vs Mariah debate.
    Celine vs. Mariah — Celine is the winner, cause she’s sold more records (more albums but less singles).

  182. LuckyLuke says:

    * Earth

  183. tane says:

    It’s true Celine has sold more albums but Mariah has exceeded 200million as of 2010, with more singles than Celine its obvious who is a bigger seller

    Mariah is in her 21 years of career and Celine’s 21 years, it’s true Celine sold more but in Mariah’s 21 year career she has sold more, in 21 years Mariah has sold 200 million albums worldwide and Celine in here 31 years she has sold over 200 million albums worldwide.

    I’m obviously right and you know it. Mariah has caught up…. So yeah that’s right

    Mariah is the best

    and its true Mariah she sold 150 million in 13 years and that’s a lot and Celine in her 20 years she sold 175 million albums as of 2004 like you said

    meaning Mariah sold more albums in 13 years than Celine did in 20 years

  184. tane says:

    i meant and in celines 31 years

  185. LuckyLuke says:

    @ MOFF

    I Know and soon enough I will stop debating on obvious

    – worldwide facts and just use this page to give info

    about Celine.Celine sold more albums,dvds, way more

    tickets.She is an influence to most young artists

    , a standard for AC Singers worldwide ,she set the bar

    all artists/performers in Vegas compare to , the most

    successful/awarded/listened and influencial Francophone

    artist in the history of music.

    Thanx for your support..! :)

  186. tane says:

    lucky luke….how am I basing my info on the old Celine when she always does the old stuff anyway? yes those albums were top and yes she won awards for them but please where are you getting your info? from wikipedia?

    mariah has more world music awards 18 count that
    more billboard music awards 28
    the both have the same amount of Grammys 5 each

    and Mariah Carey has the most certifies than any other female artists in history over 100…all being the diamond the golden the platinum the silver!!!

    and Mariahs songs prove better…..
    @ trish you are right about Mariahs songs there are way better belts in them, than in celines songs….the reason why Mariahs belts are better is because she uses melisma as where when Celine uses it she sounds overdone like a cat screaming!

    mariah more number 1s
    mariah more certifies
    mariah more singles Mariah Careys album sales 200 million she caught up to celine

  187. LuckyLuke says:

    @ tane

    1.So now Celine screams like a cat ? Get lost retarded

    bitch! Celine Dion has a powerful voice and you know

    this damn well. If you like Mariah more I respect it

    cause Mariah is EXCELLENT , but you should also learn

    to respect Mrs.Dion for her voice….!

    Cause this voice made her a legend..! Not her personal

    issues , not her sexy looks , not her suggestive videos ,

    not her flashy perfomances… Just her pure , crystal

    clear voice !! So be careful with the crap you posting..!

    2.Mariah sold 200m albums ? ha ha ha ! where ?

    Explain it to me by certifications ! Celine didn’t

    sell 200m albums you fool !! Get your facts straight..!

    Celine sold 180-185m albums worldwide..!

    Do you get confused by words ”albums” and ”records”

    ? ? ?

    3.I don’t get my info on wikipedia…you seem to

    agree with TRISH and you seem to read her posts…but

    have you read mine ? I am clear when I write

    ”Wikipedia Is NOT to be trusted”. Now Move On..!

    04.You CONFIRMED that Mariah sold 150m albums by 2003 !

    You CLEARLY said it ! And now you say that Mariah

    sold totally 200m albums..! Ha ha ha ha !!

    You DARE TO IMPLY that Mariah sold 50m albums AFTER 2003

    ? ? ? Let me laugh !!

    Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha !!

    Bitch , 50m albums coming from TEOM , E=MC2 , Memoirs ,

    MC2U , Ballads and Playlist ? xD

    Are you serious ? Please leave this debate cause you

    know NOTHING on sales.

    05.Celine sold over 180m albums since 1990 and Mariah

    sold over 160-165m albums…so Celine beats Mariah

    anyway ! You just mention her 80s discography CAUSE

    YOU ARE A HATER and you try to manipulate us

    by saying that Celine needs more albums to sell !

    Which is a LIE cause Celine suprasses Mariah since 1990 !

    NO NEED AT ALL to count her 80s French recording released

    ONLY in Quebec (7m people).

    06.We talk about total sales…Mariah has more WMA and

    good for her.This doesn’t prove she sold more.

    Besides it is more than a fact that Celine slays Mariah

    in DVD sales and ticket sales , proving she is relevant

    not only as a studio artist but also as a live performer.

    07.I Said you base your opinion on old awards cause

    Mariah’s awards are OLD ! —> Millennium in 2000 ,

    Chopard in 2003 !

    Celine has much more recent awards confirming she is

    ahead of Mariah —> Chopard in 2004 (Replacing MC) ,

    Legend in 2007 , Legion D’honneur in 2008 (proving her

    sales as a Francophone artist) , Special Award in

    Africa 2008 for her the fact she is the best seller there

    , Special IFPI Awards in 2003 proving her sales in

    Europe by that time (50m albums) !!

    08.You can see that Celine’s sales are accurately

    counted in each continent. Definitely at Us , Canada ,

    Africa , Europe , Oceania..!

    Celine -> 185m Albums – 50m Singles – 5.5m Dvds ->

    240m records & Tours.

    (400m dollars from Vegas and 280m from TC Chances tour).

    This debate is so over,really.

  188. MOFF says:

    You are a hater of Madonna and Celine, Trish. (Tane).
    Trish is looking for a debater who agrees with her, so she decided to post from another account, created by her.

    You know very well that Madonna is the best selling female artist of all times, followed by Celine.

    You just want to continue this debate, cause actually its over long ago !

  189. TRISH says:

    Tane you make a mistake,Celine doesn’t sold more albums than Mariah.How it could be since Mariah outsold Celine and any other artist in 200 year ? Celine’s 1990’s albums aren’t the only which continue to sells though the 2000 decade ! They just got subjective links for support their lies,nothing else !
    Only tours can make an artist huge !
    @Moff: Get out of here with your “protected allie”. Madonna and Celine doesn’t sold as much records as Mariah ! Live with it my dears !

    @ Lucky Luke:Celine Shines in Quebec and a few European countries ! Mariah shines worldwide !
    Celine make pull faces and comedian moves ! She never dance !
    According to you MTV COUNTDOWN /BLENDER MAGAZINE/ BILLBOARD / WORLD MUSIC AWARDS / MNJ/RIAA/ MEDIAS /
    are all impartial towards Madonna and Celine.
    You forgets the FACT that Celine is the MOST USELESS
    and LAZY artist of all times,who sing and tour just for money !
    01.She Married Rene Angelil and benefifit an international career thanks to Mariah’s then-husband Sony BMB Excegutive ! and
    scored 4 Number 1s at Billboard within 8 years,
    although several tours !
    The rest 13 years of her career she managed to get ZERO although she continue to pleasure Mottola and Sony !
    2.She even never gets huge airplay in Us. Even at till
    late 90s..!
    3.She ONLY makes endless tours and clown around people and amuse them for collecting money to her label and to herself ! Her songs albums , constituting largely by past hits, soundtrack ( for being boosted by the popularity of the films ), promoted with recycled Hits and endless tours and concerts that damage her voice that had already average beauty and grace !
    Mariah never sing for money unlike Celine ! Mariah sing because she’s a real artist.That’s why she make music by her own ! Otherwise,she would made only Pop music like Celine and Madonna,as Pop is the best selling musical genre .Celine is like a robot manufactured as artist,singing what Mottola and Sony dictate her to sing,for grossing huge profits ! Celine’s music lacks originality, personalityand real atistical inclination.She make music because its sells.That’s why Sony love her ,she bring back money ! No real artistical inclination ,No legacy, No influence,No mark ,..Only albums with huge amount of recycled songs and songs created exclusively by songwriters and producers.She even not feel the need to take part in them.as long as they are lucrative, She repeat after Luprano,Doelp,Foster or Warren,put some predictable belts in the songs …and The album is ready to be released ! And also singing with famous and respected vocalists ( Barbra Streisand,Andrea Bocelli,Frank Sinatra,etc…) to boost the popularity of her voice . No matter about Hits,all that matters is money.Besides,they could always easily chart well in the AC chart !Tours after tours,concerts after concerts,anyway a ticket concert is more expensive than a single .Entertain the audience,amuse them,make anything that will help them to be interested in the concerts ( pull faces,comedic dances, jokes,etc…).No matter about hits and legacy,no matter about influence, as long as you’re lucrative !!Celine is very different to Mariah ! Mariah cares about about the quality of her songs and about their rank on the charts ,Not about their profitability …
    This is Celine that had an easy career,not Mariah! Mariah is involved in her art at 100 % ! Mariah work hard to compose,write arrange and produce songs to make albums.She also directs some of her videos .What do Celine while this time ? Nothing ,except singing ( producers tells her how to do ).Then , she spend all her time on doing what is the most profitable in music business : touring.!
    Nobody buys the crap posted here.

  190. TRISH says:

    Tane, we are right.Mariah is light years ahead Celine on voice and sing skills.Only haters try to deny it ! .Only haters say Mariah is huge just in US ! Mariah influence artists all around the world ! Unlike Celine ! Mariah doesn’t’ touring for treasure her incredible voice ! that still able to create UNIQUE songs ! We love Mimi ! The voice !

  191. LuckyLuke says:

    1.Tane made another ”mistake” when she said that

    Mariah sold 150m by 2003. You claim 170m by 2003.

    She claims 150m by 2003.

    What’s up bitches ? You can’t decide on a theory ?

    Your stupid theories contradict as you say Mariah

    sold 30m albums after 2003 and tane says she sold 50m

    albums since…Well…find sth common to say.

    2.Celine SHINES Worldwide you fool ! She shines

    in Canada (15m sold , 21 Junos , 39 Felix) ,

    in Europe (Special IFPI Awards , UK Awards , France

    most successful artist) , in Oceania (4m sold) ,

    in Africa (best seller there confirmed by award)

    and of course Us —> 52m CERTIFIED ALBUMS &

    100% Sellout tours in Us & 10 Grammy

    (5 went to her) & Artist of the decade.!

    HATER ! BITCH ! DUMBASS !

    3.Celine danced Eyes On Me, River Deep Mountain High

    during her latest tour! BITCH ! She also had

    a dance interlude based on 80s songs during

    her Let’s Talk About Love tour..!

    4.I NEVER blamed the magazines like you do with

    BILLBOARD / IFPI / MEDIATRAFFIC / SITES /

    MEDIA / LABELS / UNITED WORLD CHART / RIAA

    / WORLD MUSIC AWARDS , Cause I am not pathetic

    but you are pathetic ! Slut !

    You blame all these sources cause Mariah is

    shown BEHIND Celine and therefore you

    try to take them down. How pathetic..!

    On magazines again —> Magazines voted

    ”when you believe” as the worst duet

    ever. The 2nd place was occupied by ”Tell Him”.

    I guess I should swallow this up and declare

    ”when you believe” and ”tell him”

    as the worst duets ever !!

    Moreover Rolling Stone Magazine (I Think)

    voted ”My Heart Will Go On” as an

    annoying song. -.-‘ ! Celine’s

    Grammy performance of ”My Heart Will Go On”

    is considered by magazines (fans) the 2nd

    best Grammy moment in history of Grammy Awards.

    I gave you a link to see the performance and

    I mentioned Celine’s mistakes & that it was

    her worst performance. How come this average

    Celine performance be considered BETTER

    than Mariah’s 2006 performance of

    ”We belong together/Fly like a bird” ..! ? !!

    —> I Don’t trust Magazines,YES !

    This doesn’t mean I think there is a conspiracy

    against Celine,like YOU DO with institutions.

    I am pretty clear on this. Besides, I don’t

    try to tell you Celine is better than MC.

    You are the obsessed person here that gives Mariah

    vocal and professional assets she doesn’t possess

    such as performing/dancing skills.

    4.Celine was never treated as a mainstream singer…

    If you check her single releases you get all your

    answers. Besides…Celine has a huge list

    of singles that sold over 1m in Europe alone

    so her Us ”fail” in singles is covered by this.

    (Think Twice,Because You Loved Me,Tell Him,

    Immortality,It is all coming back to me now,

    My Heart will go on / Pour que tu m’aimes encore /

    Sous Le Vent)

    You seem to forget that Sony didn’t even release

    Celine’s ”My Heart Will Go On” in Us. Only

    600k copies were available and the song turned

    out to be Gold in a few weeks while stayed at

    number 1 at airplay for over 2 months.

    ”To Love You More” reached number 11 at hot airplay

    and didn’t chart at Hot 100 cause it was not

    released as a single.

    Sony wants to turn people to buy Celine albums.

    I don’t agree with this tactic,but what can I do..!

    This is the fact !

    ”I Drove All Night” reached number 22 at hot airplay

    and the single release occurred months later and the

    single flopped at hot 100 peaking at number 54 !

    Number 22 at airplay / 54 at hot 100 ! Does this

    ring any bell ? ? ?

    ”That’s The Way It Is” peaked at number 6 as airplay

    ONLY single ! It was NEVER released as a single in Us.

    ONLY 9 MONTHS LATER Sony Decided to include as a B-Side

    single to the single ” I Want You To Need Me”…

    5.Celine is not a clown ! You are a clown ! Keep

    insulting her washed up whore while I don’t insult

    Mariah —> you only prove your level by that.

    6.Celine doesn’t need film success to sell a single

    and have success. ”Because You Loved” became an

    international smash in 1996,promoting a FLOP movie.

    ”When I Fall In Love” is one of her most critically

    praised songs that promoted an underperformed movie..!

    7.Celine’s voice is in a good shape as of 2011 , proved

    by her latest live performances. She sounded really

    pure. Celine never had ”average” beauty and grace.

    Sorry hater xD

    8.Mariah ALWAYS sings for MONEY and TOURS when

    she flops. Her 1rst BIG tour (Chamrbracelet)

    came after too commercial and critical disasters

    when her popularity had declined !

    Same thing she will do in 2012 after epic failures

    such as Memoirs , MC2U , E=MC2 , Ballads..!

    9.Celine is not a robot. She has an OPINION when

    her albums are made. Her music is pop based since

    1981 but she always puts rock or blues or disco

    or classical or techno (A Cause) or gospel or jazz

    or rnb elements to her albums.

    10.No legacy ? No influence ? Let me laugh !!

    The fact that Mariah has a great influence doesn’t

    mean Celine has 0 influence you fool !

    Celine is an influence to most young artists

    ,a standard for AC Singers worldwide ,she set the bar

    all artists/performers in Vegas compare to , the most

    successful/awarded/listened and influential Francophone

    artist in the history of music.

    11.Do you know what a fu**ing CONTRACT is ? ? ?

    Artists many times are pressed to release albums !

    Even Mariah released ”rainbow” – a rushed album –

    to satisfy her label ! She didn’t feel this album

    and she stated this in interviews..!

    Every artist has to show discipline ! So yes !

    Mariah had to make music just to sell.

    12.Celine didn’t need duets to show off her voice !

    The Reason , My Heart Will Go On show off her skilled

    voice better than Tell Him of Beauty and The Beast..!

    Try again bitch..!

    13.”Mariah cares about the quality of her songs” !

    Then how come she released ”Obsessed” as a single ?

    Touch my Body ? ha ha ha ! How do you dare

    put the word Q U A L I T Y !!!

    Mariah sang songs about drugs (It’s like that) ,

    oral sex (One and only) , rappers (clown) ,

    cheap sexy attitude (I Am the chick you like) !!

    Her latest English album is a Diamond album full

    of quality and deep introspective songs. But Mariah

    has done many cheap songs during her career so don’t

    post crap to me that Mariah always cares

    about the quality !! I could say just the same

    about Celine after albums such as ”d’elles”

    but wouldn’t it be stupid after Celine sang

    ”Super Love” , ”Can’t Fight The Feeling”

    and ”Just The Woman In Me” ? ? LOL

    14.Mariah had an easy career as she never toured ,

    only recorded albums and had Tommy to boost her

    career. Celine had to tour like a dog , making small

    steps at a time and became worldwide known in 1996 !

    Mariah’s debut is the most promoted debut album

    of all times. Celine’s English debut was the

    result of an endless effort to raise money

    for the budget ! She had to do at least 3 duets

    & live performances to raise a few money for her album.

    & All her early clips are CHEAP !

    On Top of That she had to sustain her francophone

    fan base so she had to release many French albums

    while she was focusing on her English career.

    Celine had a really difficult career.

    15.You are wrong ! Mariah is so behind Celine in

    record sales and when it comes to voice…

    I am only glad to see people support MC

    Because she deserves the best.

  192. tane says:

    its proven Mariahs sold 200 million albums worldwide…they even said she did at the world music awards in 2008 when she recieved the special achievement award, ony ever granted to two other artists in the last 30 years!

    and luke the only way Celine sings so perfctly in concerts is because she lip syncs alot, not all the time but sometimes.:)

    yes celines voice is powerfull, but Mariah has a more wider vocal range 5 octaves..in 1994 to 96 she had a 7 octave range!

    and all those foreign countries your mentionaing like france and Germany that Celine is the most popular artists, well those countries charts aren’t even popular

    the most popluar chart is the billboard charts and Mariah is the queen of those charts!!

    mariahs more popular in australia, New Zealand, all the pacific nations( islands), and the whole of asia…!!

    and it is a fact she’s sold 200 million albums worldwide, ou just can’t believe what we give you!!!!!!

    and trish you are so right, in the 13 years that Mariah has been out she sold 150 million albums and up to 2010 she sold 200 million so luke shut up and get ur facts straight!!!!!!!

  193. tane says:

    and I’m not trish…..whats wrong with you moff!!, I’m just a huge Mariah fan so please stop accusing me of being someone else…

    for all I know you could be some old man!

  194. LuckyLuke says:

    @ Tane

    YOU ARE A LIAR !

    Here is the video of Mariah accepting the award in 2008 !

    —->

    youtube.com/watch?v=A6xKgIoXOUA

    —> NOBODY Said she sold over 200m ! The award was

    about her Us number 1s..!

    – Celine sold more in Oceania than Mariah.

    She sold 200k in Australia OVER Mariah..!

    Mariah suprasses Celine only in Us and Asia.

    NOWHERE ELSE !!!

    Celine has sold 85m records in Europe while Mariah

    barely reaches the 35m mark there.

    – You say she sold 150m by 2003 and 200m by 2011 !

    Ha ha ha ! 50m between 2003-2011 ? ? ?

    YOU ARE NOT SERIOUS !

    – CELINE DION is HUGE worldwide and thank God you finally

    admited she has a good voice !!

    ——– EAT THESE UP ———-

    The Best Selling Artist Of All Nielsen Soundscan Era.

    240 Million Records sold Worldwide

    50 Million single sales

    A Career That Spans Over 30 Years

    16 Diamond Certifications

    971 Platinum Certifications

    Over 1100 Awards

    5 Years Of A Sell-Out Las Vegas Show

    As Seen By 3 Millions People, where she gained the award

    and title “Entertainer of the New Millennium ”

    MOREOEVER

    Celine Dion Holds the title/record for :-

    *Best selling Female artist
    *Best selling Artist in Europe
    *Best selling Canadian artist
    *Best selling French artist
    *Best selling Film Score of all Time
    *Best selling greatest hits of NS Era (All the way)
    *Best selling music DVD (A NEW DAY is one of the best selling DVD in music history)
    *Only Artist in history to have more than 1 album sell over 30 million worldwide (im sure MJ is on this list by now)
    *Best selling non-english album of all time
    *Best selling single of 1998 / 2nb best selling of all
    times by female artist
    * 60m Soundratcks sold
    * 15m Coming From Other Projects
    * Special Awards in Europe , Africa , Canada
    * 65m Records sold in Us
    * Highest Grossing Solo Touring Act of 00s
    *Her last tour is the SECOND
    HIGHEST GROSSING TOUR IN HISTORY
    * 480m Dollars From Vegas Show

    —-> As you see I avoid mentioning local distinctions

    like lambs do with Us all the time.

    Sorry but Celine SHINES W O R L D W I D E

    Celine sold over 1m DVDs in 2010 with 0 promo as she

    was pregnant ! Mariah promoted her Xmas album and sold

    600k worldwide with this !

    Now Celine’s DVDs with 0 promo suprass Mariah’s ALBUMS

    that get promotion with videos and interviews !

    Celine’s New Show is already sold out and is the only

    artist in the History of Vegas that even affects the

    ECONOMY There.

    Mariah has no sales achievements when it comes to tours

    or DVDs like Celine. Mariah has advantage over Celine

    only in Us and Asia when it comes to albums/singles.

    Even at her strong markets she is below Celine in

    tours and dvds.

    Celine is UNTOUCHABLE when it comes to sales !!

    A True Legend ! Face The Truth ! Embrace it ! And

    Move On !

  195. The Reason says:

    (These posts are distanced from this Debate so I use

    This Nickname)

    —————– . . . ————–

    Celine’s new Vegas Show is simple named ”Celine”.

    ”Celine” setlist Includes :

    1.Open Arms

    2.Where Does My Heart Beat Now

    3.Because You Loved Me

    4.It Is All Coming Back To Me Now

    5.To Love You More

    6.(If You Can’t Sing It) You’ll Have To Swing It

    7.Lullabye (Goodnight,My Angel)

    08.The Reason

    09.Goldfinger / Diamonds Are Forever / Nobody Does It

    Better / Live And Let Die (James Bond Medley)

    10.At Seventeen

    11.Beauty And The Beast

    12.Ne Me Quitee Pas

    13.All By Myself

    14.Ben / Man In The Mirror / I Just Can’t Stop Loving You

    (Micheal Jackson Medley)

    15.Declaration Of Love / Love Can Move Mountains /

    River Deep-Mountain High (Dance Medley)

    16.My Heart Will Go On

    ———— . . . ———–

    It was reported in January 2011 that ticket sales for

    the show had already passed the $10 million mark,

    marking the fastest sale in the history of the Venue.

  196. tane says:

    youtube.com/watch?v=Rs9cze8npX4&tracker=False
    watch this video it gives you everything you need to know about Mariahs achievments and album sales!!!

  197. MOFF says:

    Tane (Trish)
    I saw this video many times.
    According to this video: Mariah has sold 200 million records worldwide.
    That’s right. I mean, the video is completely right in everything what it says. But according to YOU:
    Mariah has sold 200 million ALBUMS worldwide, which is a huge lie.
    So what do you believe ? 200 million records or albums, you say you believe this video, so you surely mean 200 million records.

    Theres one point in the video that’s wrong.

    Its Madonna whos the biggest selling female artist, not Mariah Carey.

  198. TRISH says:

    Tane,don’t let this hater impress you by anything.Just ask him to give you Celine’s 20 best selling singles and Mariah’s and you’ll know how he will lie.Celine got just one great selling Single “My Heart Will Go On”.Mariah outsold Celine by far on singles sales since 1990 decade.In the 200 decade Mariah continue to sell singles by millions unlike Celine.These haters got the nerve to say that Mariah outsold Celine by just 5- 10 million singles.In Fact,Mariah outsold Celine by 60 million singles the less. Do You know that according to RIAA, Mariah got more than 14 million certified singles,only in US? Whereas Madonna got just 4 million certified Singles in US and Celine just 2 ones ! These haters said Madonna sold over 100 million singles worldwide and Mariah 60 million and Celine 50 million ones.Tane,believe me ,don’t waste your time on giving proves to this hater,he will always refute them since they are fair towards Mariah.Lucky Luke and Moff even give anbulm list in which Celine and Madonna outsold Mariah’s sales in 2000 years,although every medias,everyone always know that Mariah is the best selling artist OVERAll at 1990’s decade and the best selling female artist of all times in 2000 year.Don’t forget Tane,that Mariah’s 1990 albums continue to sell in 2000 year like Celine’s and Madonna’s.So,it’s a HUGE lie to say that these women sold more albums than Mimi even in 2011.Celine got one album selling 10 million in 2000’s Mariah got TEOM .See? Don’t let this creep hater make you swallow his biased links and sources.Celine is far behind Mariah on records sales.Mariah rules !

  199. LuckyLuke says:

    @ TRASH

    You can do better.

    1.Celine’s ”All The Way” sold 17m during the 00s and

    ”A New Day Has Come” sold 11m at leasr

    so your statement ”Celine had

    only one album in 00s to sell over 10m” is an all time

    classic lie added to your previous ones.

    2.Celine has 4 platinum singles in Us and not 2 !

    Try Again ! The Power Of Love , Because You Loved Me ,

    It Is All Coming Back To Me Now , I Am Your Angel

    are all PLATINUM. Don’t you get shamed to bring

    falsified RIAA certifications here ? Fat Cow !

    3.I am clear Mariah was ahead during the 90s , but

    Celine’s late 90s albums and early 00s prjects

    did the difference and Celine is now

    hailed as the best selling artist of the past 20

    years , the best selling female artist of the Nielsen

    Soundscan era. All Media world announced it proudly

    from 2004 – 2010 ! She was presented Chopard Diamond

    Award for counted album sales of 175m ! Mariah replaced.

    She got Legend award and every local award possible.

    Mariah doesn’t even have an Asian award. No awards in

    Canada , Europe , Africa like Celine. Nothing SOLID to

    prove the 200m albums myth.

    Even you and Tane conradict so much as I showed you

    since you claim 170m albums by 2003 and she claims

    150m by 2003.

    —– EAT THIS UP AND TAKE A RIDE —–

    240 Million Records sold Worldwide

    50 Million in single sales

    A Successful , Solid Career That Spans Over 30 Years

    16 Diamond Certifications

    971 Platinum Certifications

    MOREOEVER

    Celine Dion Holds the title/record for :-

    *Best selling Female artist
    *Best selling Artist in Europe
    *Best selling Canadian artist
    *Best selling French artist
    *Best selling Film Score of all Time
    *Best selling greatest hits of NS Era (All the way)
    *Best selling music DVD (A NEW DAY is one of the best selling DVD in music history)
    *Only Artist in history to have more than 1 album sell over 30 million worldwide (im sure MJ is on this list by now)
    *Best selling non-english album of all time
    & Second best selling French album , behind her own D’eux
    *Best selling single of 1998 / 2nb best selling of all
    times by female artist
    * 60m Soundratcks sold
    * 15m Coming From Other Projects
    * Special Awards in Europe , Africa , Canada
    * 65m Records sold in Us
    * Highest Grossing Solo Touring Act of 00s
    *Her last tour is the SECOND
    HIGHEST GROSSING TOUR IN HISTORY
    * 480m Dollars From Vegas Show
    * Over 1100 awards
    * Best selling French single of all times
    * Entertainer of The New Millenium
    * Highest grossing solo touring act of decade
    * Most influencial francophone artist
    * Most influencial performer/artist in the history of Vegas
    * Yamaha Tokyo award for her voice at age 15,won by a
    Franch Song. Same goes for Eurovsion song contest at age
    20.
    * 5,5m DVDs sold
    * Us Hall Of Fame Star
    * 2 Academy Awards , 10 Grammy to her songs & much more
    nominations.

    Haters —> Face the truth and move on… :-)

    Have a nice day <3

  200. TRISH says:

    MARIAH’S MAIN RECORDS :
    -Best selling Female artist of all times
    -Best selling R&B Artist of all times
    -Best selling non-Asian artist in Asia
    -Best selling album in Japan
    -Best selling album in China
    -Best-selling album in Taiwan
    -Best-selling single in Japan
    -Best-selling Christmas album
    -Best-selling Christmas single
    -Best-selling R&B Contemporary album
    -Most certified platinum singles by a female artist in USA
    -Most # 1 songs penned by a female songwriter
    -Most World Music Awards than any other artist overall
    -Most # 1 hits on Billboard Hot 100
    -Most cumulated weeks atop the Billboard Hot 100
    -Largest vocal range ever ( for having hit the highest vocal note ever )

  201. TRISH says:

    You said this debate is over while you continue to post comments ! Contradictions in your acts ? Hahahaha!
    Lucky Luke, please can you just tell me where Celine sold her “185 million albums” and her “50 million singles” ? In Wikipedia ? In Quebec ? I wanna know where exactely ! Can you give us facts ?
    Celine influences AC Singers “Worldwide” ? Who exactly ? Where exactly ? Can you cite some ? Oh yeah,Garou,Charice,etc…Always the same little group of “influenced artists “ Hahaha ! Although most of them are just her collaborators in some songs and just expressed respect to her,without having any real influence on them !I am also an influence to most old artists a standard for AC singers in my neighborhood !
    I assume that Tane know much more than you on sales Lucky.He’s right at 100 % Mariah sold 200 million albums worldwide ! In 2000 Year,Celine’s global albums reached 100m – 110 million. How she could sold 70m -80 million From The Collector Serie, A New Day, One Heart,Taking Chances,Miracle, 1 Fille Et 4 Types, D’elles, On Ne Change Pas,A New Day Live,etc…that doesn’t reach even 25 million combined ? Are you serious ? Please,take off your glasses,leave your PC just the time to inhale some good and fresh air .
    Celine’s 80s discography is totally insignificant cause border in the state of Quebec (about 4 or 5 million of people in the 1980’s, 8 million people in 2011 ) This is exactly like considering Mariah’s debut albums sales in the Florida State only (although Florida got more people than Quebec ). I don’t even mention New York state ! It’s useless to talk about Celine’s 1980’s albums,they even doesn’t reach 1.5 million with the recent collection released by Sony. You can talk about Madonna’s 1980s albums,not Celine’s.
    Yes,Celine needs much more albums to have an impressive amount of sales unlike Mariah ! This is a fact dear !
    Yeah ! Mariah has more World Music Awards and WMA are giving only to artist who collect the most impressive sales per years ! It’s clear that Mimi’s sales had always impressive next to any other artists ! They didn’t get huge suddenly,unlike what Celine’s and Madonna’s stans try to make us swallow.
    If Celine got an impressive number of awards coming from seral micro markets and impressive amount of Diamond and Platinum Certifications there meaning a few sales,good for her.This doesn’t prove she sold as much as Mimi.
    Besides,it’s more than a fact that Mariah slays Celine in Singles sales and Hits,proving she is relevant not only as a studio artist and as a clown on stage but also in Singles Charts ! And in Hit Parades !
    All Celine’s recent awards are irrelevant ! Besides,you always claimed yourself that Celine’s Chopard diamond award is irrelevant ! Celine is impressive just in francophone countries ! She’s really great as a francophone artist,but as an international artist ??? She would be if there wouldn’t be a worldwide phenomenon called Mariah Carey ! Celine is really much more rich than Mariah,she work hard, “ like a dog “as you said, for collect money.But that’s all ! At the other hand,Mariah got something experts and people call LEGACY !
    You are a hater of Mariah Carey, Moff. (Lucky Luke).
    Moff is looking for a debater who agrees with him, so he decided to post from another account, created by him.
    Moff,it’s just your wishes.You know very well that Mariah Carey is the best selling female artist of all times, followed by Madonna.
    Why do you continue to post comments if this debate is over long ago? You want to provoke ?

    TRISH

    @Lucky Luke: You said Madonna sold 70 million albums in Europe, Shutup said 75 million you said Madonna sold 25 million albums in Asia, Shutup said 15 million for Madonna in Asia.You said Celine sold 185 million to 2011,Shut Up said 175 million for 2011,etc…
    .
    What’s up ass*oles ? You can’t decide on a theory ?
    …Well…find sth common to say.
    Celine SHINES Wikipedia !
    Composers and Producers won 10 Grammy,but
    5 went to Celine cause she just performed the songs( just like producers told her to ).
    These songs reference you gave doesn’t deserve to called “dance”. Anyway,Mariah do it waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better than Celine ! Fantasy,Honey, Dreamlover (Mariah Around The World),Heartbreaker (video),It’s Like That (Video),etc… That’s what are called dance,not joking moves !And it’s easy to recur dances and choregraphical annexations that you had already learned and repeat! Compare rather Celine’s improvised dancing moves to Mariah’s and you’ll see Mariah’s supremacy more certainly ! Celine is in the same level than Susan Boyle on dance skills ! Be a straight man then you could appreciate what a true woman do as amazing instead of dreaming on a clown diva !
    About IFPI,Mediatrafic,Guinness,Billboard,etc…
    You credit all these sources cause Celine is
    shown AHEAD Mariah and therefore you
    try to take them up. How pathetic..!
    No matter if Magazines voted
    ”when you believe” as the worst duet
    ever.So what ? Magazines doesn’t create Mariah’s vocal popularity/fame !Mariah’s own songs created it themselves !
    Mariah had to prove the incredible qualities of her voice shortly after her debut unlike all other vocalists( MTV Unplugged EP ),cause everybody noticed that her voice is extraordinary and really special unlike all other voices!
    Don’t try to reduce Mariah’s voice worldwide popularity to magazines.Anyway,weither it’s magazines fans,online poll,experts claiming,TV Shows,etc… Mariah’s voice always cited as the best ever !
    The voice question is very different to sales.We can listen on their voices but we can’t verify their sales around the world.It’s so easy to lie about sales,cause they are expressed by numbers and numbers can be falsified easily.But no one can falsify a the sounding of the songs !
    I never said that there is a conspiracy
    against Mariah’s sales.I said that institutions lied and are biased and I prove this by Guinness 2003 claims towards Madonna’s sales and IFPI foolish estimations about Nana Mouskouri,and Wikipedia’s partiality.
    I am the devoted person that demand Mariah’s every concret assets!
    I never demand for Mariah assets and achievements that she hasn’t unlike you do for Celine.
    This is you who are a obsessed person here that gives Celine
    and profesional assets she doesn’t possess
    such as performing/dancing skills/Hits /vocal skills/influence on other artists/contribution on music.
    Celine just make what is rentable in music. That’s why she never treated as a mainstream singer because her music is lacking,.Indeed she always sing Pop music like most successful artists !
    About Celine’s singles that sold over 1m in Europe alone
    Tell Him,Immortality and It’s all coming back to me now doesn’t reach million sales in Europe.
    There is only Think Twice,Because You Loved Me,My Heart Will Go On,Sous Le Vent and Pour Que Tu M’aimes Encore that had reach million status in Europe.No other else ! So,how she could ever sold 50 million singles worldwide ? How Mariah’s singles could surpass her by just 10 million sales worldwide ?
    Mariah NEVER sing for MONEY .If she did,she would stay at Columbia to obey Mottola and sing the most lucrative and profitable musical genre (Pop Ballad & Pop dance albums ) like Celine did.She would sing Pop music that is and still more rentable than Hip Hop .If she sang for money,she would tour after her first smash debut albums like Mottola wanted to.She would make albums mostly with recycled past hits and covering songs and pick songs from Foster,Warren,Afanasieff,Luprano,etc… to have an easy success,just like Celine do.Since her debut,Mariah always work hard to improve herself as songwriter and composer,she refused to sing .My Dear,keep your words straight,Celine sing for Money while Mariah sing to share her musicaland artistical creativity to people ! Celine works to top income ranks and lists while Mariah works to spread her musical/artistical influence and legacy larger worldwide .
    Now you say about Celine’s music: “Her music is pop based since
    1981 but she always puts rock or blues or disco
    or classical or techno (A Cause) or gospel or jazz
    or rnb elements to her albums.” You just forget that in the last week,you said that Europeans buy Celine’s albums more than Mariah’s because Celine’s albums are 100 % Pop whereas Mariah’s 1990’s albums aren’t 100% Pop ,except for Music Box ! See your contradictions ?
    This is you who are fool,not me.Even Beyonce and Britney has much more influences ,contributions and a bigger musical Legacy than Celine although their generation is far behind Celine’s. Read the Biography of Celine in Wikipedia ( her fan site encyclopedia) and you’ll even won’t see any chapter talking about Celine’s LEGACY ! whereas you’ll see this chapter in Mariah’s,Madonna’s Whitney’s, Beyonce’s,Britney’s Wikipedia biography.So,saying that Celine influence Garou,Charice,Fabian, etc… (a few european/Canadian francophone artists ) and has contribution on AC music prove how much you are obsessed with this limited artist ! Celine influences no one in AC music.Whom AC artist ever credit Celine as main influence? Celine is a lucrative artist ( on tours specially ),that ‘s her main merit.
    So,Mariah slays Celine in everything except for tours and Tickets c

  202. LuckyLuke says:

    @ TRISH

    1.The debate is over as long as I see 0 proof coming from

    you.Still,you will have a reply for every crap you

    post.The debate is over as long you CONTRADICT with —>

    Columbia Records (130m By 2000) ,World Music Awards

    (150m By 2003) and Island Def Jam (200m by 2010) !

    2.I will explain where Celine EXACTLY gets 185m albums

    after you show me how Mariah sells 200m albums.I Only

    need to search a few info (certifications) on Asia and

    S.America cause I want my reply to be full and not

    just mention numbers without certifications like you.

    In that case I would be stupid,and I am not. :-)

    The rest markets are accurately calculated for Celine,

    thank God. But you still have to show me how

    Mariah sells 45m albums in Africa and S.America.

    (YOU said 50m Asia , 64m Us , 26m Eur , 4m Oceania ,

    8m Canada) Ha Ha Ha Ha !

    3.Celine influences young artists. Of course she

    does. You said they respect her. This is enough

    for me. If you are the best in your neighbourhood

    good for you,honey..! Check how many young artists

    in Tv shows choose Mariah and Celine songs to

    perform. Celine is 42 years old and is already considered

    one of the most influencial voices ever , beside

    Whitney and Mariah. Some artists saying she affected

    them —> Lara Fabian , Garou (France) , Marc Dupre

    (Canada) , Charice (Asia) , Delta Goodrem (Australia)…

    Don’t base your opinion on Us mainstream singers like

    Beyonce , Rihanna , Floptina and Kelly Clarkson. Beside

    them…how many other artists said Mariah is their main

    influence ? Moreover,even David Foster (a true music

    expert) considers Celine the best voice ever. He is the

    only person that worked with ALL female vocalists.

    Same goes for Tommy Mottola that said ”Celine is the

    best vocalist” back in 1995, I think.

    I am not saying to prove Celine is better than Mariah !

    I am saying these to show you that Celine is indeed

    a vocal legend..!

    4.You say Tane is right. Tane said Mariah sold

    150m by 2003.You say 170m albums. How’s that ?

    5.Celine sold exactly 175m by 2004. It is proved

    and I won’t ellaborate further on this. The 00s

    albums you mentioned sold over 35m at least.

    6.I said Celine’s 80s discography is insignificant !

    LoL ! Thanks For saying that yourself.

    7.Celine doesn’t need more albums to have success.

    Her 4 English best sellers sell over 100 million

    copies. Moreover she sold 14m copies with 2 French

    albums. Many french artists don’t sell 14m throught

    their careers.

    8.Mariah got WMA for her sales per year.Not overall.

    The Only Awards Mariah recieved for overall sales

    were the ones back in 2000 and 2003 and these are so

    old since we are in 2011.Sorry…

    9.Did I say Mariah’s sales are not impressive ? Lmao

    You are such a freak for implying things I never said.

    10.Celine is not a clown ! You are the only clown

    fat cow ! Mariah sold a few singles more than Celine

    cause same amount of songs became worldwide smash

    hits. You are so obsessed that you think every Mariah

    song is a worldwide hit like Open Arms and I’ll Be

    There and Don’t Forget About Us ! You totally

    ignore Worldwide charts as you ignore certifications

    from Asia etc.

    11.How do you dare speaking of Single sales when you

    proudly came here 2 days ago to post that Celine

    has only 2 platinum singles in Us by RIAA ? ? ?

    Bitch ! You are not in position to talk about

    sales ! Face it and shut up..!

    12.Celine is a huge album seller , not matter the

    language , she sells out stadiums unlike Mariah ,

    she is THE ONLY ARTIST IN HISTORY that managed

    to stay at ONE place for so long (Vegas – 5 years)

    and have sold out show constantly !

    13.Mariah is only good nowadays for top 10 singles

    in Us charts. Nothing more after TEOM !!!

    (Six years already and counting)

    14.You write : ”All Celine’s recent awards

    are irrelevant” !! Hahahahahaha !!

    Says WHO ? YOU ? Who are you ? Are you an

    expert ? You are just a pathetic lamb !

    A pathetic excuse of a fan ! A Bitter

    bitch that can’t can’t face the truth that

    the industry WILL ALWAYS CONSIDER CELINE

    AS A BEST SELLER BESIDE MARIAH !

    A WORLDWIDE BEST SELLER !

    15.You Think Celine is not impressive as

    a worldwide artist ? Uhmm…Africa

    & Oceania & Us & Canada & Asia & S.America are markets

    where Celine has been successful in album sales

    & she always sells out in tours.

    So yes…Celine , like Mariah , are

    worldwide successful. Be careful no

    to swallow your poison little whore and die ! :)

    16.You know damn well I am not MOFF , so

    I don’t insist on this at all. Besides ,

    I don’t think you are Tane.

    17.175m or 185m is not a serious difference

    dear ! LoL ! What you and Tane claim

    is so contradictory because Tane

    said clearly in the 1st post

    that CELINE SOLD MORE ALBUMS THAN MARIAH !!

    Remember ?

    Moreover on Asia , NOBODY CONTRADICTS

    Cause these are just THEORIES as we

    don’t know exact amount based on certifications.

    So all your effort to prove me and the

    other guys contradict FAILS !!

    Too bad you spent so much time writing.

    18.Mariah has more dance hits than Celine ,

    but she can’t move on stage. Move on now -.-

    Mariah is superior as a dancer next to a

    person suffering from handicap.

    19.You don’t even know what Guinness Book of records

    and Billboard state ! NONE of them shows

    Celine as a best seller !

    ARE YOU UNABLE TO READ MY POSTS ?

    Billboard is a reliable source to show us

    how much Mariah and Celine sold in Us.

    Billboard can’t show how much they sold

    worldwide ! I really don’t know

    what your problem is with Billboard !!

    20.You are really stupid for saying I am

    trying to take down Mariah’s voice !!

    You are crazy ! WHERE DID YOU SEE THIS ?

    All I said was that magazines are not

    to be trusted ! I don’t need YOU to tell ME if Mariah is

    excellent or not ! I am a fan since age 15

    and I know everything on her voice and sales.

    21.Sales are numbers. Numbers are OBJECTIVE.

    You are the one tha falsifies sales in favour

    of Mariah. Certfications never show 200m

    for Mariah.Voice Skills are OBJECTIVE as well.

    Vocal Beauty is SUBJECTIVE.And now move on really !

    I am bored on replying on stupid vocal topics.

    22.You never said there is a conspiracy but you

    obviously imply it,when you call all sources

    fake.Guiness Book never claimed 380m sales for

    Madonna. You will never find proof on that.

    IFPI certified sales in Europe !

    Nana Mousxouri released her albums worldwide !

    The fact that Mousxouri comes from Europe doesn’t

    mean that IFPI is responsible for her OVERALL Sales !

    If Mariah retires , RIAA won’t be in position to

    talk about her worldwide sales , just for Us ones.

    Wikipedia is not to be trusted ! Let’s not repeat

    this again.

    23.I never put an asset Celine doesn’t have.NEVER..!

    You love Mariah so much and think she a great

    dancer and better belter than Celine.

    24.I Think other people awarded Celine for her

    contribution dear…not me…so don’t accuse me of

    being biased. Other people pay tickets to see

    Celine performing and singing. I am from Greece.

    She never came to my country and I never saw her

    live. You say you are a Celine fan. See

    her live perfomances from 90s of songs

    River Deep Mountain Hight (Live A Paris Dvd ,

    Live In Memphis Dvd) and THEN see Celine

    performing this song in Las Vegas Dvd

    and then during TC tour which was really

    better than in Vegas. Celine improved so

    much.In 90s dance songs she never followed a

    choreography. She was just making fun running

    like a weird animal on stage. This has

    nothing to do with Celine of 2005-2011.

    25.Celine’s music is not lacking at all.She released

    two crappy albums,that’s all ! (One Heart , Taking

    Chances) ! Besides,same goes for Mariah’s two

    latest albums (Memoirs,MC2U) … Mariah was not

    even treated as an artist by her label.

    26.Tell Him , Immortality , It’s All Coming Back

    To Me Now sold more than 1m in Europe.

    Immortality sold 500k in Germany alone. (Platinum)

    , was silver in France (200k) and Silver in UK

    (200k , I think) … It was number4 on Eurochart

    and top 10 in many manrkets beside the 3 big ones.

    So, I really don’t know the reason you wrote down

    Immortality didn’t sell 1m in Europe. I think

    to myself…Trish doesn’t know or knows and just

    lies..! Anyway…I posted certifications on Celine’s

    singles sales in the other debate. I will probably

    copy paste here. There is nothing easier for

    me to prove Celine’s record sales in

    Us , Europe , Canada , Oceania and Africa.

    I have a problem In Asia and S.America but I am

    working on this so soon enough you will see

    how Celine sold 185m worldwide.Of course you

    will say I lie but I don’t care.

    27.Mariah suprasses Celine in singles for 5-10m

    the MOST. Celine sold 25m In Europe and 12m

    in Us (Posted in the other debate) and

    Mariah 32m In Us and around 5 – 8m in Europe.

    28.You say Mariah never sings for money.

    Oh , romantic little TRISH…You have no idea

    how pressed Mariah was to release albums.

    She had to follow her contract and didn’t

    have a voice to the promotion of her albums.

    Mariah only toured after her flops.

    Besides…she obeyd Tommy for 10 years !

    This is ENOUGH since they argued since

    1990 !!! So yes ! Mariah did everything

    to have a successful career. She left

    Sony AFTER had Dumbed her in favor of Jenifer Lopez ,

    Celine Dion , Britney Spears.Mariah’s album sales after

    Daydream were poor compared the ones of young artists.

    Don’t change the facts to show me that Mariah

    fights for quality and music cause this is

    so untrue.In the only thing you are right is

    that Mariah wanted to write her own songs.

    29.Celine’s albums don’t consit of covers.

    She puts 16 songs in each English album and around

    3-5 are covers. So there are at least

    11 original songs in Celine’s albums.

    & her material in which she hardly ever

    puts covers. Celine had to tour to share her talent !

    Mariah did nothing in touring cause she was lazy and had

    everything done and promoted..! She only toured when she

    lost part of her fans after Glitter and Charmbracelet.

    30.Celine is a pop singer ! yes !

    And she puts elements of other genres in SOME

    songs. You create contradictions ! Of course

    Celine does BASICALLY pop music since 1981..!

    All Her Albums are POP and songs in them have influences

    ! Where is my contradiction again ?

    31.You say Wikipedia is Celine’s site. I never

    admited this. So the fact that Wikipedia doesn’t

    mention Celine’s legacy proves nothing.

    Moreover DECIDE … you should trust wikipedia

    whenever is CONVINIENT For your arguments ?

    Mariah has Legacy and I know that ! I never denied this.

    You are the one that denies Celine’s achievents.

    32.You called Celine limited ? Ha ha ha ! Mariah is

    limited cause she barely reaches Gold In Us ! Ha Ha Ha !

    Mariah has no albums Certified in Europe exept for TEOM.

    Success in Australia and Canada and Africa and Japan

    the past 11 years,exept for TEOM ?

    At least Celine’s One Heart and Taking Chances were

    certified in ALL markets of the world !!!

    33.Celine has also sold more Dvds than Mariah.Never

    forget the success of Dvds such as ”Live In Las Vegas”

    , ”Celine:Through The Eyes Of The World” ,

    ”Taking Chances World Tour”

    34.On The List You posted…Nothing impressive.

    Celine’s achievemtns have WORLDWIDE base,not local.

    (Us , Japan …. and LIES on Chinese album sales !

    Ha Ha Ha)

    35.In Case you didn’t notice :

    *Best selling Female artist

    *Best selling Artist in Europe

    *Best selling Canadian artist

    *Best selling French artist

    *Best selling Film Score of all Time

    *Best selling greatest hits of NS Era (All the way)

    *Best selling music DVD (A NEW DAY is one of the best selling DVD in music history)

    *Only Artist in history to have more than 1 album sell over 30 million worldwide (im sure MJ is on this list by now)

    *Best selling non-english album of all time

    & Second best selling French album , behind her own D’eux

    *Best selling single of 1998 / 2nb best selling of all
    times by female artist

    * 60m Soundratcks sold

    * 15m Coming From Other Projects

    * Special Awards in Europe , Africa , Canada

    * 65m Records sold in Us

    * Highest Grossing Solo Touring Act of 00s

    *Her last tour is the SECOND HIGHEST GROSSING TOUR IN HISTORY & 480m Dollars From Vegas Show

    * Over 1100 awards ( 10 Grammy / 2 Academy to her songs

    & Golden Globe & countless nominations)

    * Best selling French single of all times

    * Entertainer of The New Millenium

    * Most influencial francophone artist

    * Most influencial performer/artist in the history of Vegas

    * Yamaha Tokyo award for her voice at age 15,won by a
    Franch Song. &

    *Eurovsion song contest at age 20 with a french record

    again. (IMPRESSIVE)

    * 5,5m DVDs sold

    * Affected the economy state of Vegas.

  203. tane says:

    trish you are right about everything! luke has his mine somewhere else meaning hes wrong about MCs sales!

    us Mariah Mariah fans know her sales whilst you Celine fans keep lying about her sales!!!

  204. LuckyLuke says:

    @ Tane

    You Mariah Mariah fans are a team of pathetic obsessed

    lambs (Animals) that can’t prove your sh** no matter how

    hard you repeat the same lies !

    I laugh so hard because ”tane” posted here almost

    the same time as ”rafael” did at the other debate !

    Ha ha ha ha ha !

    The same OLD pathetic nickname – game..!!

    What’s up Tane ? My facts put you into shame and you

    came back to babble the same lies ? ? ?

    ——– TAKE NOTE TO THIS —————-

    I can repeat myself AGAIN and say that YOU and TRISH

    contradict so much because YOU say Mariah sold

    150m by 2003 and SHE said 170m by 2003. Moreover YOU

    say Celine sold over 200m ALBUMS and suprasses MC

    in album sales… Trish says Celine sold 160m albums.

    A difference of 40 MILLION in your facts ? ? ?

    40 MILLION ? ? ? REALLY ? 40 MILLION ? ? ?

    Not 10 , or 20 , or 30 , or 35 …but 40 MILLION ? xD

    F O R T Y ? ha ha ha ha !!

    This is why you are two lame bitches and nothing more.

    ———> (Result)

    So, you are not in position to talk about sales at all.

    Have a fu**ing seat. :-)

    Finally , at least what I say is based on RIAA and

    IFPI certifications & agrees perfectly with

    World Music Awards , Labels and certifications of the

    5/7 music markets.

    Unlike you and TRASH that contradict with each other

    & Island Def Jam (200m records by 2010) , Columbia

    Records (130m by 2000) , World Music Awards (150m

    by 2003) …

    Too bad tane…when you first entered here and said

    Mariah sold 130m by 2003 , I kinda liked you.

    Then you killed everything by implying that Mariah

    sold 70m between 2004-2011 !

    Ts ts ts …

    You couldn’t do any worse.Soooooooooooooory :)

    Maybe Next Time :-D

  205. MOFF says:

    Tane, can you give me link or advice where I can find that Mariah is the best selling female artist of all times ?

  206. LuckyLuke says:

    @ MOFF

    Ha ha ha ha ! That was a good one ;-)

  207. LuckyLuke says:

    @ Tane (REPOST)

    *

    Too bad tane…when you first entered here and said

    Mariah sold 150m by 2003 , I kinda liked you.

    Then you killed everything by implying that Mariah

    sold 50m between 2004-2011 !

    *

  208. tane says:

    what I meant was it is true Mariah sold 150 million albums 1990 to 2003,

    heres my mistake guys Mariah Careys sold over 220 million records worldwide not albums,

    meaning she sold 175 to 180 million albums worldwide and the rest are singles

    album sales for MC: 180 million
    the rest are singles so yes my mistake!!

    so luke and moff there’s actually hardly any difference between MCs and celines albums sales :)

  209. tane says:

    and where did ten Grammys for Celine Dion come from? she only has five Grammys!

  210. tane says:

    here is an estimated look over MCs albums!!

    1990 Mariah Carey US Sales: 9 million (18 million–worldwide)

    1991 Emotions US Sales: 5 million (14 million–worldwide)

    1992 ‘MTV Unplugged US Sales: 3 million (15 million–worldwide)

    1993 Music Box US Sales: 10 million (28 million–worldwide)

    1994 ‘Merry Christmas US Sales: 5 million (16 million–worldwide)

    1995 Daydream US Sales: 10 million (25 million–worldwide)

    1997 Butterfly US Sales: 5 million (17 million–worldwide)

    1998 ‘#1’s US Sales: 5 million (16.5 million–worldwide)

    1999 Rainbow US Sales: 3 million (12 million–worldwide)

    2001 Glitter US Sales: 1 million (5 million–worldwide)

    2001 ‘Greatest Hits US Sales: 750,000 copies(4 million–worldwide)

    2002 Charmbracelet US Sales: 1.2 million (6 million–worldwide)

    2003 ‘The Remixes US Sales: 900,000 copies (1.8 million–worldwide)

    incliding emancipations of mimi which sold 10 million albums worldwide and sold 3 million in the US!

    plus E=MC2 album sales: 2 500 00, 2 million in which 1 million was sold in the US.

    memoirs of an imperfect angle album sales: 501 000

    merry Christmas II you album sales: 500 000

    so now album sales are: Total Sales:191.5 million copies sold worldwide, US Sales: 63.5 million copies sold

    this is a correct estimation of Mariah Careys album sales!!!! so please just read and you’ll see:)

  211. tane says:

    music box actually sold 32 million worldwide my mistake!

    so worldwide sales are now: 195.5 million albums sold worldwide!

  212. tane says:

    here is a link of where thoses album sales estimations came from!

    8notes.com/biographies/carey.asp

  213. tane says:

    this is also a rich list out of the top richest femalee singers, Madonna, Mariah, barabra, and celine

    1 is Madonna
    2 is Mariah Carey
    3 is barabara streisand
    4 is Celine Dion

    heres a link and you’ll see its true:
    infomusicworld.com/10-richest-female-singers-in-the-world.html

  214. tane says:

    Mariah Carey is also richer than Celine Dion:
    heres a link that tells you so

    mademan.com › Celebs › Singers:

    madonnas worth: 1.1 billion
    Mariah Careys worth: 750 million
    Celine Dions worth: 590 million

  215. LuckyLuke says:

    #

    here is an estimated look over MCs albums!!

    1990 Mariah Carey US Sales: 9 million (18 million–worldwide)

    1991 Emotions US Sales: 5 million (14 million–worldwide)

    1992 ‘MTV Unplugged US Sales: 3 million (15 million–worldwide)

    1993 Music Box US Sales: 10 million (28 million–worldwide)

    1994 ‘Merry Christmas US Sales: 5 million (16 million–worldwide)

    1995 Daydream US Sales: 10 million (25 million–worldwide)

    1997 Butterfly US Sales: 5 million (17 million–worldwide)

    1998 ‘#1’s US Sales: 5 million (16.5 million–worldwide)

    1999 Rainbow US Sales: 3 million (12 million–worldwide)

    2001 Glitter US Sales: 1 million (5 million–worldwide)

    2001 ‘Greatest Hits US Sales: 750,000 copies(4 million–worldwide)

    2002 Charmbracelet US Sales: 1.2 million (6 million–worldwide)

    2003 ‘The Remixes US Sales: 900,000 copies (1.8 million–worldwide)

    incliding emancipations of mimi which sold 10 million albums worldwide and sold 3 million in the US!

    plus E=MC2 album sales: 2 500 00, 2 million in which 1 million was sold in the US.

    memoirs of an imperfect angle album sales: 501 000

    merry Christmas II you album sales: 500 000

    so now album sales are: Total Sales:191.5 million copies sold worldwide, US Sales: 63.5 million copies sold

    this is a correct estimation of Mariah Careys album sales!!!! so please just read and you’ll see:)
    # tane Says:
    March 13th, 2011 at 8:20 pm

    music box actually sold 32 million worldwide my mistake!

    so worldwide sales are now: 195.5 million albums sold worldwide!
    # tane Says:
    March 13th, 2011 at 8:21 pm

    here is a link of where thoses album sales estimations came from!

    8notes.com/biographies/carey.asp
    # tane Says:
    March 13th, 2011 at 8:38 pm

    this is also a rich list out of the top richest femalee singers, Madonna, Mariah, barabra, and celine

    1 is Madonna
    2 is Mariah Carey
    3 is barabara streisand
    4 is Celine Dion

    heres a link and you’ll see its true:
    infomusicworld.com/10-richest-female-singers-in-the-world.html
    # LuckyLuke Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation.
    March 13th, 2011 at 11:05 pm

    @ tane

    You accused me of bringing Wikipedia facts here and your

    list is wikipedia-based. See the typing style in it.

    I opened the link and it is like Wikipedia..!!

    Your list is not to be trusted and let me show you why :

    – It says for instance That MTV Live sold 15m

    worldwide and 3m of it coming from Us. You really

    believe this ?

    That would mean that Celine’s ”The Colour Of My Love”

    would sell 30m worldwide cause it sold 6m in US &

    4m in Europe & 800k in Australia & 1m Canada.

    I don’t know why you swallow up these lies. MTV sold

    around 6m coming from Us (3m) , Canada 3P = 300k , some

    copies in Europe (not certified) and so on…

    ALSO , you wrote that TEOM is 3P in Us ! so you don’t

    know anything because TEOM is 6P in Us. See ? Please

    leave this debade cause you don’t have knowledge at all.

    -You claim 6m for Charmbracelet. Charmbracelet

    is only Platinum (1m+) in Us and not certified in

    Australia , Europe , Canada , Japan… I don’t how it

    sold 6m copies. That would mean that Taking Chances

    sold 10m copies because it is certified platinum , gold

    or multiplatinum all around the world . From Us

    (Platinum) to Japan (Gold) to S.Africa (2P) to Canada

    (4P) and so on !! So don’t bring fake random lists here.

    EVEN if you compare MTV LIVE with other MARIAH albums

    on your list it shows how stupid your list is, because

    you say her debut sold 18m worldwide and MTV live 15m

    worldwide when her debut sold 6m copies in Us MORE

    than MTV Live. That means MTV live outsold her debut

    worldwide which is a lie because ”Mariah Carey” was

    way more successful worldwide that MTV Live. ”Mariah

    Carey” sold 700k In Canada , 1m Europe , 1m Japan etc

    which is much more than what MTV sold !! So how her

    debut sold only 3m more ? ? ? It makes no sense at all.

    Finally Celine is richer than Mariah. Even Broken-T

    and TRISH have said so…and this mainly because of

    her tours. Celine is the 5th richer woman of the

    entertainemt world. I think Mariah ranked at number

    6 or 7.

    Here : forbes.com/2007/01/17/richest-women-entertainment-tech-media-cz_lg_richwomen07_0118womenstars_slide_6.html

    See ? My link is from FORBES magazine ! One of the most

    reliable sources when it comes to info on money etc.

    Your list comes from a website. -.-’

    —— Now —–

    I can reply to your links by these.Open then up :-)

    1. ifpi.org/content/library/top50-2007.pdf

    2. ifpi.org/content/library/top50-2002.pdf

    3. ifpi.org/content/library/top50-2008.pdfifpi.org/content/section_news/plat_month_20031209.html

    4. ifpi.org/content/library/top50-2003.pdf

    5. canoe.com/divertissement/musique/nouvelles/2007/12/11/4719391-ca.html

    6. community.indigo.ca/posts/Karen-Kennedy/user-92962/330333.html

    7. newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/January2008/17/c2039.html

    8. billboard.biz/bbbiz/charts/yearendcharts/chart_display.jsp?f=Top+Music+Video+Sales&g=Year-end+Singles

    9. billboard.biz/bbbiz/charts/yearendcharts/2008/chart_display.jsp?f=Top+Music+Video+Sales&g=Year-end+Singles

    10. rockstarweekly.com/celine-dion-receives-three-video-awards-for-quick-sales.html

    11. latimesblogs.latimes.com/music_blog/2010/01/celine-dion-reaches-peak-of-the-decades-ultimate-top-10.html

    12. montrealgazette.com/entertainment/Celine+Dion+Forbes+list/1885772/story.html

    13. uptoline.com/in-december-2009-pollstar-announced-that-celine-dion-was-the-best-selling-solo-touring-act

    14. uk.reuters.com/article/idUKTRE4BS4ZM2008123

    15. new.music.yahoo.com/blogs/chart_watch/34074/chart-watch-extra-the-top-20-album-sellers-of-the-2000s/

    16. pollstar.com/blogs/news/archive/2010/02/10/709096.aspx

    17. billboard.com/charts#/charts-decade-end/billboard-200-albums?year=2009&begin=21&order=position

    18. new.music.yahoo.com/blogs/chart_watch/34074/chart-watch-extra-the-top-20-album-sellers-of-the-2000s/

    19. chicagotribune.com/topic/entertainment/music/01011000.topic

    20. latimesblogs.latimes.com/music_blog/2010/01/celine-dion-reaches-peak-of-the-decades-ultimate-top-10.html

    21. lejournaldequebec.canoe.ca/journaldequebec/artsetspectacles/encoreplus/archives/2009/12/20091230-203458.html

    22. canada.com/topics/news/story.html?id=90da7aa0-f97e-4bc1-9985-1fb521cf0d5e&k=20045

    23. ctv.ca/CTVNews/Entertainment/20040914/dion_award040914/

    24. sonymusic.ch/Celine-Dion/Delles/P/477117867

    25.fanpop.com/spots/celine-dion/videos/9500322/title/celine-dion-entertainer-new-millennium

    26.mariahcarey.com/news/awards.php

    27.nme.com/artists/mariah-carey

    28.celebrity9.com/mariah-carey/biography.html\

    29. billboard.com/news/mariah-carey-releasing-second-christmas-1004115754.story#/news/mariah-carey-releasing-second-christmas-1004115754.story

    30.billboard.com/bbcom/specials/hot100/charts/top100-artists-20.shtml

    31.mediatraffic.de/alltime-album-chart.htm

    32.billboard.com/column-chartbeat/20-20-vision-mariah-marks-milestone-1004094895.story#/column-chartbeat/20-20-vision-mariah-marks-milestone-1004094895.story

    33. billboard.com/news/ask-billboard-celine-dion-celebrates-chart-1004134468.story#/news/ask-billboard-celine-dion-celebrates-chart-1004134468.story

    34. aboutcelinedion.net/celine-dion-awards.html

    35. allmusic.com/artist/mariah-carey-p62404/biography

    36. islanddefjam.com/artist/news_single.aspx?nid=7892&artistID=7386

    37. findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0EIN/is_1998_Oct_21/ai_53110374/pg_2/?tag=content;col1

    38. esctoday.com/news/read/3133

    39. contactmusic.com/new/xmlfeed.nsf/story/dion-to-be-honoured-at-world-music-awards

    40. news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/3649660.stm

    41. musique.premiere.fr/MCM/News/Celine-Dion-prolonge-son-bail/(gid)/2256952

    42. copines.ca/Potins/2415__Celine_Dion_au_repos_force.html

    43. celinemaniacs.com/giornali_2/JournaldeMontreal_September16_2004_pag1.jpg

    44. teemix.aufeminin.com/w/star/n10085/news/Celine-Dion-a-Las-Vegas-jusqu-en-2007.html

    45. i11.photobucket.com/albums/a190/brunosilva/DiamondAward-Nomeao.jpg

    46. youtube.com/watch?v=iaOaFLVW_Wc

    47. youtube.com/watch?v=8HkjsltvO1I

    48. youtube.com/watch?v=8FC8JehshWw

    49. womaninjava.blogspot.com/2010/06/celine-marie-claudette-dion-is-canadian.html

    50. worldlingo.com/ma/enwiki/en/I%27m_Alive_%28Celine_Dion_song%29

    * I said 10 Grammy to her songs ! (5 of which went

    to composers) ! I Wrote it up , you didn’t read it.

    -.-‘ Pffffffff

    Bye Bye

  216. LuckyLuke says:

    * Mistake -> Charmbracelet is Gold in Canada (50k+)

  217. LuckyLuke says:

    * Mistake -> MTV Unplugged is Platinum in Canada (100k+)

    , not 3xPlatinum.

    Mtv Unplugged -> 3xP Us (3m) , 1xP Canada (100k) ,

    Gold UK (150k) , 2xGold France (200k) , Not Certified

    In Japan (unlike her other albums) cause it only

    peaked at number 13 at Japanese Charts.

    So MTV sold over 6m copies,not 15m copies.

    Something more…According to Nielsen Soundscan Mariah’s

    ”Remixies” have sold 200-300k in Us. I don’t know

    how you dare to say the sold 900k . . .

    Don’t Lie to me Pls.

  218. LuckyLuke says:

    * Mistake -> MTV Unplugged is Platinum in Canada (100k+)

    , not 3xPlatinum.

    Mtv Unplugged -> 3xP Us (3m) , 1xP Canada (100k) ,

    Gold UK (150k) , 2xGold France (200k) , Not Certified

    In Japan (unlike her other albums) cause it only

    peaked at number 13 at Japanese Charts.

    So MTV sold over 6m copies,not 15m copies.

    Something more…According to Nielsen Soundscan Mariah’s

    ”Remixies” have sold 200-300k in Us. I don’t know

    how you dare to say it sold 900k . . .

    Don’t Lie to me Pls.

  219. LuckyLuke says:

    Mistake again ->

    Mtv Unplugged is 2 Platinum in Japan (500k) :-D it was

    number 1 at International Japanese Charts and 13 on

    Japanese charts..! :-D

  220. tane says:

    :) well its right to me!
    including these sources which r not Wikipedia based!!

    you accuse me of these fake facts when ur Celine facts are fake well some!

    these facts are straight:) its just hard 4 you Celine fanss to believe what’s true!!

  221. LuckyLuke says:

    @ tane

    Can you read at all ? You say your list is right when

    you claim TEOM sold 3m in Us..! Wake Up !

    Your link is coming from Wikipedia. Anyone can see this.

    My Celine facts are not fake at all.

    Mariah has sold 64m in Us , 26m Europe , 5m Canada ,

    4m Oceania and 50m in Asia (according to TRISH)

    —> 150m in these markets.

    Do you say she sold 50m in S.America and Africa ? ? ?

    Answer to this or just go to hell !

    Celine sold 240m records & grossed 680m from her latest

    tours. Face it dear…bye bye..!

  222. LuckyLuke says:

    @ tane

    Mariah sold 165-170m Albums THE MOST as it is proved

    by Columbia Records data / Millennium Award (130m by

    2000) , World Music Award in 2003 (150m by 2003) and her

    current Label that announced 200m + records as of

    November 2010.

    What you claim contradicts with all these sources

    & Guinness Book Of Records & All Celine’s awards

    & what is said by the Media.

    Finally , what you say is not real because you can’t

    prove it by certifications. Mariah sold 64m in Us ,

    26m in Europe , 5m Canada (The most) , 4m (The most)

    in Oceania and as TRISH claims over 50m in Asia

    —> 150m Albums without counting Africa & S.America.

    I don’t believe Mariah sold 45m in Africa and S.America.

    It is so simple.

    And let me show you why I like to be EXACT with what I

    say. For instance I say she sold almost 5m in Canada.

    Let me prove it to you.

    Canada = Platinum = 100k

    Mariah’s Canadian Certifications Are :

    1.Mariah Carey 7xP

    2.Emotions 4xP

    3.Mtv Live 1xP

    4.Music Box 7xP

    5.Merry Christmas 1xP

    6.Daydream 7xP

    7.Butterfly 2xP

    8.Number 1s 3xP

    9.Rainbow 2xP

    10.Glitter Not Certified

    11.Charmbracelet Gold (50k+)

    12.Greatest Hits Not Certified

    13.The Remixies Not Certified

    14.The Emancipation Of Mimi 3xP

    15.E=MC2 Platinum

    16.Ballads Not Certified

    17.Memoirs Of An Imperfect Angel Not Certified

    18.Playlist Not Certifed

    19.Merry Christmas To You Not Certified.

    Mariah’s Certifications In Canada reach the 3.9m mark.

    If you add sales of her non certified albums (Below 50k)

    & album sales that probably suprass the certification

    you see she barely reaches the 5m mark there.

    Don’t imply I lied about her certifications because

    they are so exact in Canada , Us , Europe , Oceania and

    Japan..!

    Source : Canada Recording Industry Association (CRIA)

    cria.ca/gold/1105_g.php

    & you can also check Nielsen Soundscan for what I claim.

    It is responsible for counting exact sales in Us and

    Canada since March 1991. At least I don’t contradict

    with awards or label’s or sites or certifications like

    you do.

  223. The Reason says:

    TANE SAID

    ”: what I meant was it is true Mariah sold 150 million albums 1990 to 2003,

    heres my mistake guys Mariah Careys sold over 220 million records worldwide not albums,

    meaning she sold 175 to 180 million albums worldwide and the rest are singles

    album sales for MC: 180 million”

    I guess this is my BEST answer to TRISH to see how

    other lambs put her in total shame.

    It is true Tane. Mariah sold 220m records worldwide

    coming from 165m albums & 55m singles.(not 180m albums

    and 40m singles)

    This is correct ! :-D

  224. TRISH says:

    @Lucky Luke: Yes,I agree.This debate is over as Mariah is the winner ! I gave so many proves for Mariah,not only about her record sales but also in every musical assets,achievements and fulfillments.She just KILLS Celine in everything ! I see 0 proof coming from you,Except the only one that Celine is more successful than Mimi on tours and tickets concerts sales ! You just try to make replies with some impressive partial,biased and fan made links and sources that can’t be trusted as you know it yourself !
    It’s become impossible to give all your contradictions in these debates.Ouh ! …LMAO ! Yes,show us where Celine sells “185 m albums” Your reply must not be just full,but before all,reliable.But,this time I hope that you’ll bring reliable datas and sources cause the ones you usually post are all biased and partials !
    About Mariah’s 200 million album sold worldwide,just read the entire blog ,then you could see how many times lambs (include me) gave proves about it !

    You said “Celine influences young artists. Of course she
    does.You said they respect her. This is enough
    for me.” Nobody never claim the opposite,but we claim that Mariah is the TOP influencial female artist ! This debate is about whom is better among Celine and Mariah,not just in records sales (unlike the blog Top Selling female artist Madonna or Mariah),but in everything ! This is what you refuse to understand.There is one of both (Celine and Mariah) who is better on influence and this is Mariah Carey.So,saying that Celine influences Garou,Charice,Marc Dupre,etc… is just STUPID ! There is one of them who got the better voice and this is Mimi.All these bulls*its you claim about Celine’s voice mean nothing.Mariah wins once again.That’s doesn’t mean Celine’s voice isn’t good.This is a debate about the better artist among Celine and Mariah.Use your brain ! Human got brain not just for collect “links” but also for make analyses,statements,judgements,etc…Comparison between 2 huge artists mean that both couldn’t be equal in everything.I recognize Celine slays Mariah in Tours,and in concerts Tickets ! But YOU ! You try to say Celine equals Mariah in everything Voice,Influence,contribution,legacy,etc… You just look like a crazy obsessed FANATIC ! Cause it’s untrue.Mariah slays Celine on these things !
    1. I base my FACTS not just on Us mainstream singers,but on worldwide artists like
    Beyonce ( Huge worldwide artist), Rihanna ( 5 number 1 Singles in Eurochart,much more than Celine), Christina (International artist),Backstreet Boys ( Huge international boys band),Justin Timberlake ( International Artist), Kelly Clarkson, ( Lynnsha,Pixie Lott ,Leona Lewis, Jessica Simpson, Utada,Nina ,Alicia Keys,Ne-yo,etc…
    What do you mean by “a true music
    Expert ” for David Foster ? Just because he’s a songwriter and producer that already worked with Celine ?
    Primero: David Foster had never work with Mariah Carey.Moreover,he’s a Canadian like Celine,so it’s normal that he boost Celine’s vocal reputation as a good compatriot.
    Segundo:Walter Afanasieff (A Russian songwriter and producer) that worked with many great vocalists including Mariah and Celine,claimed that Mariah is the best vocalist in the world and also the most skillfull singer ever worldwide!
    Tommy Mottola claimed that Mariah Carey is the discovery of the century as vocalist ! That’s why Columbia invested so much money for Mariah’s debut album.Mottola really believed that Mariah was an exceptional vocalist ! Mottola said that for Celine in late 1995,just because Celine obey Sony and stay in Pop music unlike Mariah who had rebel against Columbia and Tommy for making albums by her own feelings and improved Hip Hop material through her music.
    Tercero: Mariah’s vocal reputation doesn’t lies in claiming of huge personalities,nor and her collaborations with famous vocalists,but in her songs ! Mariah’s voice doesn’t need boost and interpretations.It talk by itself !

    How Celine could sold 175m albums by 2004 when her 2011 sales even doesn’t reach 170 million albums? It’s impossible ,since global sales increase through the years,not decrease !
    Celine need much more albums to have success.She release much more albums than Mariah !
    Mariah’s 10 best seller albums kills Celine’s by faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar !!!!
    Celine sold 12m copies with 2 best French
    Albums,not 14 million.
    .
    Mariah got WMA for her sales per year overall.”World Music Award” Keep the meaning of “WORLD”.

    Mariah received WMA every year of 1990’s for overall sales
    .That’s why her global sales in 2000 year surpassed any female artist in music history !
    Celine started to receive impressive Award in 2004 (though it was irrelevant,according to her own fans),Sorry it’s too late for catch up with Mariah…Lol !
    Mariah sold more than two times Celine’s global singles sales !
    Worlwide Best Female Singles Sellers
    1- Mariah Carey
    2- Madonna
    3- Whitney Houston
    4- Britney Spears
    5- Janet Jackson
    6- Shakira
    7- Celine Dion

    You said “Celine and Madonna are same amount of songs became worldwide smash
    Hits”. I remind you that Mariah surpasses both by far on worldwide hits ! So it’s clear that Mariah sold much more singles worldwide than Madonna and Celine !
    About Hits,Celine can compete with Susan Boyle since,both have just only one worldwide hit !
    You are so obsessed that you think every Celine
    song is a worldwide hit like All By Myself,I Am Your Angel,Tell Him,I’m Alive,That’s The Way It Is,It’s All Coming Back To Me Now,Sous Le Vent,Je Sais Pas,Pour Que Tu M’aime Encore,The Power Of Love.etc… They are local hits !
    Only My Heart Will Go On and Because You Loved Me really deserved to be called Hit face to Mariah’s true worldwide Hits !
    Celine is just able to sells out stadiums,nothing else .Mariah’s singles sells and climb Charts unlike Celine’s !
    Mariah is THE ONLY ARTIST IN HISTORY that spent 79 weeks in Billboard Hot 100 Singles !
    Celine is only good nowadays for top 10 singles
    in AC charts. Nothing more after ANDHC !!!
    ( nine years already and counting)
    Yes,all Celine’s recent Awards are irrelevant cause they doesn’t match with her real sales !
    I am a huge expert next to you ! You are not more than a crippled failure,a delusional Celine fan who can’t see the world without some nasal eyes !
    A Silly and pathetic male slut that can’t face the truth that
    The European industry lie about Celine’s insignificant sales and that is MARIAH CAREY THAT STILL DESERVE THE TITLE OF BEST SELLING FEMALE ARTIST OF ALL TIMES !!!
    CELINE IS A FRANCOPHONE BEST SELLER !
    MIMI IS A WORLDWIDE BEST SELLER OVERALL !!!
    YOU DARE SAYING THAT CELINE SOLD MORE ALBUMS WORLDWIDE THAN MIMI ?
    I remind you that Tane said that Mariah is the best selling female artist.Moreover,Tane also said that Mimi has the better voice that she slays Celine on singles sales and that Mimi’s albums sales reach 200 m !
    Besides,there is so many contradictions between You,Moff and Shut Up that it would be impossible for me to mention all them !
    Celine can move humorously on stage but she can’t dance.
    Move on now -.-
    Celine equals Susan Boyle and Mother Theresa on dance skills ! Ask any straight man whom among Celine and Mariah is a real dancer ,then you’ll be surprise by his obvious answer that Mariah dance whereas Celine make clown moves !
    RIAA is a reliable source to show us
    how much artists sold in Us.Billboard is relevant for Charts ! You feign to believe Billboard because of its incorrect estimations towards your idols.(40 million singles sold by Madonna in US,etc…)What a good joke ! Hahaha! This is RIAA who count sales in US !
    Sales are numbers. Numbers are OBJECTIVE but they are easily falsifiable. That’s why you claimed 54 million albums sold by Celine in Europe,then 60 million, That’s why Shut Up claimed 15 million albums sold by Madonna in Asia while you said 25 million for Madonna’s albums sales there ! That’s why Guinness claimed Madonna’s sales in 2003 reached 300 million albums,then 200 million ones in 2010. That’s why IFPI claimed Nana Mouskouri sold 200 million albums worldwide while she even integrate any IFPI best seller albums nor artists lists sales . Anyone can change sales numbers !
    Yes,I imply institutions conspiracy,when I shown and proved their partilities !
    You said :“Nana Mousxouri released her albums worldwide !
    The fact that Mousxouri comes from Europe doesn’t
    mean that IFPI is responsible for her OVERALL Sales !
    If Mariah retires , RIAA won’t be in position to
    talk about her worldwide sales , just for Us ones.” RIAA never made the mistake to say that Mariah sold 200 million albums worldwide ,like IFPI did for Nana.RIAA never made estimations ! Unlike IFPI. RIAA’s datas are based on real and verifiable number sales !It talk about sales in US only !Besides,Nana Mouskouri is not a worldwide artist ,since her sales are timited to Europe ( only Canada can be really cited as her market out of Europe ).
    Nana Mouskouri real global sales doesn’t reach 50 million,as I already shown and proved.
    You said “I never put an asset Celine doesn’t have.NEVER..!” This is what you did when you talked about Celine’s influence,Voice,contribution in music,Legacy,etc… Did you seen that lambs tried to improve Mariah on tours,concerts,entertainments,etc…? They didn’t ,not because Mariah is useless on this ,but because they know it’s a waste of time to response on this since Celine already beat Mariah on this ! It’s a waste of time tryng to convince readers on Celine voice,influence,legacy and contribution in music next to Mariah’s ! Mariah beat Celine on all this .You refuse to understand it !
    No,no.You make a huge mistake.Tell Him , Immortality , It’s All Coming Back
    To Me Now doesn’t reach million sales in Europe !
    You said “There is nothing easier for
    me to prove Celine’s record sales in
    Us , Europe , Canada , Oceania and Africa”.Indeed,biased links abound in the internet so it’s easy for you to pick them .What matters is the validity of these datas,they could be biased not only in the source itself you pick them up.But also,you could easily biase these datas when you put them here,on increasing them ! So it’s useless to post lists and certifications sales here cause nobody will swallow them ! ( you already inflated Celine’s RIAA certifications yourself, when you explained that they are undercertified).So,you really think that people will swallow your lists and links ?
    No,no.You know nothing about Mariah’s relationships with Mottola and Columbia.Mariah obey Tommy while her 5 first years at Columbia.In 1997,she disobeyed Mottola and released an Hip/Hop album (Butterfly).Since this time,Columbia and Mottola started to hate Mariah,as they known that a Pop album would sold much more .They even underpromoted Mariah’s singles and albums after 1997 comparatively to her previous albums . Mariah had a 10 year contract with Columbia,that she had to respect.You confound deal with obedience and you call others stupids ???
    Mariah never sing for money,unlike Celine.If she had stay in the Daydream way,she would have other albums selling over 25 million copies worldwide in 1997,1998,etc…!Mariah sacrified her huge success on Pop music to mark the way for R&B/Hip Hop music.
    Celine had to tour to GROSS MONEY TO SONY AND TO HERSELF NOT TO SHARE HER TALENT ! If she was really worried about sharing her talent,she would take part in writing and producing of the songs like other artists do ! There is nothing to share as talent on stage when you already break trhought musical market.People need to show their talent in music competions ( UK got talents, X- Factor, American Academy,etc…) It so banal to say that ! Mariah already proved her exceptional talent so many times,including in 1992 at the MTV UNPLUGGED EP show ! A real artist is not border to just sing,but also to take significant part of the making of her songs ! not just bring back money !
    So the fact that Wikipedia doesn’t
    mention Celine’s legacy proves she hasn’t legacy.You’ll see that in every Celine’s biography.(maybe some fanatics could create fake legacy that she doesn’t have in facts).No one can talk about legacy for Celine ! Your crap babbling lies are not to called legacy.Just read Beyonce’s biography and you’ll could have an idea about what is called like that !
    No matter if Mariah doesn’t have certified albums in the markets you mentioned,since her sales in US and Asia blow Europe and all the markets you mentioned here.And I even don’t mention Oceania and Latin America.That’s why her 2000’s albums surpass all Celine’s on sales although Celine’s got many certifications coming from European markets !

    On The List You posted…Nothing impressive.
    Celine’s achievements have all FRANCOPHONE base.So, they are all local.
    ( Quebec,France,Monaco,etc…)
    Mariah’s achievements are WORLDWIDE !
    *Best selling Female artist of all Times !
    *Best/Greatest Voice Ever !
    Best selling Artist in Asia
    *Best selling French
    *Best selling R&B artist
    *Best selling non-Asian artist in Asia
    *Best selling Christmas album
    *Best selling Christmas single
    *Most certified Platinum singles in USA
    Then
    *Best selling artist non-Asia
    *Best selling album in Japan
    * Best selling album in China
    *Best selling album in South Korea
    *Best selling album in Taiwan
    -Mariah’s Music Box,Daydream,Butterfly,# 1’s,Charmbracelet are the only western albums to pass 500 000 legal sales and more in China !.Music Box sold over 750 000 copies in China and is the best selling non-Asian album in China.
    -#1’s is the best selling non-Asian album in Taiwan
    -Music Box is the best selling non-Asian album in South Korea ( Whitney Houston owns the second best selling album there )

    *Best selling artist overall of the 1990 decade ( Guinness World Records,World Music Award )
    *Best selling female artist of the whole last Millennium ( Millennium Award )
    *Over 25 certified Gold singles in USA
    * Most influencial female artist/singer worldwide
    * Most # 1 songs penned by a female songwriter
    * Most World Music Awards than any other artist overall
    * Most weeks cumulated atop the the Billboard Hot 100
    * Most # 1 singles in Billboard ( the largest chart )
    *Larger vocal range ever ( for having hit the highest vocal note ever )
    And countless others achievements and records !

  225. MOFF says:

    Best selling female artists:

    1. Madonna 200 million albums
    2. Celine Dion 185 million albums
    3. Mariah Carey 170 million albums sold

    Trish is a liar. Nothing more.
    Why should Guinness, WMA, IFPI, Mediatraffic lie.

    mediatraffic.de/top-track-achievements.htm

    popcrunch.com/madonna-guiness-book-of-records-worlds-most-successful-female-musician/

    ifpi.org/content/section_news/plat_month_20060913.html

    Nobody believes you.
    Delete her !

  226. tane says:

    mariah has surpased 170 million albums worrldwide!
    those album sales are 6 uyears old meaning 6 years ago Mariah has sold over 175 million albums worldwide but as of today she has sold over 195.5 million albums worldwide!

    and the reason I changed frm 180 million to 195.5 million was my mistake, so Mariah Carey is a better seller than Celine Dion!

    so far what Celine Dion manages to do better than Mariah is have bigger concerts! the lambs aka Mariahs fans ask her to tour, they plead her they force her!

    whereas Celine just tours because she wants to! Mariah has more fans than Celine Dion!

    and how you luke said that Celine Dion has influenced more artists that’s a lie! charice and whoever you said are bearly internationally famous! wheareas Mariah Carey has influenced beyonce, brittany spears, Christina Aguilera, pink, Kelly Clarkson, Jessica Simpson etc….

    you can also tell why Mariah influenced them because they do some of the same vocal runs as Mariah, and also try to do her high notes!!!

    Mariah Carey has more awards than Celine Dion, and some of them being the main awards which other artists like Celine Dion and Madonna try to recieve which not one of then have yet:
    millenium award for biggest selling artist of all time at world music awards!
    billlboard artist of the decade award
    special achievement award( on recieved by 2 other
    artists in the past 3 years!)
    and countless others!
    mariah has more certifies than Celine Dion recieved by over 40 countries!

    so its obvious who the true artist is MARIAH CAREY!!!

  227. LuckyLuke says:

    @ TRISH

    01.You gave 0 proves for Mariah and you keep on

    contradicting with Columbia Records (130m by 2000) ,

    World Music Awards (150m by 2003) and Island

    Def Jam (200m records+ by 2010) ! Keep dreaming

    you proved everything. You see no further proof

    cause you don’t want to see it , since you

    don’t trust Celine’s awards , Cerfifications

    , what Media say , IFPI , mediatraffic and so on.

    02.If the links are biased explain to me WHY they

    are biased. I want you to ellaborate on each one

    of them.

    03.You ask me to bring Celine’s certifications.

    Why ? To call them partial ? You don’t trust

    IFPI for instance. If I don’t trust Asian

    certification system wouldn’t I be a FOOL

    to demand Asian certifications from you ?

    04.I don’t think Mimi has a better voice over Celine !

    Why do you insist changing my mind on this ?

    05.We are not in position to judge who influenced

    more artists. Moreover to judge this , we should

    also know the LEVEL of the influence and so on.

    So we have to create lists of artists influenced

    by Mariah and Celine & see the level so we can

    objectively count.

    06.You are such a fool because I already said that

    Mariah has more contribution in total. My reply

    on Celine’s contribution was only because you denied

    everything Celine achieved (Francophone influence etc).

    See ? You take it all the wrong way.

    07.You lie about some of these artists. Justin Timberlake

    – just to gossip a little bit – DENIED to duet with

    Mariah in 2002. Mariah wanted to have a duet with

    Justin on her song ”Yours” but he refused cause

    Mariah was not popular. Still,in 2006 after TEOM

    Justing wanted a duet with MC but she denied back !

    Ha ha ha ! but honestly, I don’t see how Justin

    is influenced by Mariah.

    08.David Foster is a composer ! He owns what is called

    ”music pedagogy” . He worked with ALL divas , not

    just Celine. He did ”There For Me” for Mariah for

    instance.

    See that you IGNORE things ? There are so many things

    you don’t know and you just keep coming back with

    your HUGE EGO to post crap !! Your effort to

    call him partial fails again. Walter Afanasieff doesn’t

    even talk with MC nowadays but let’s move on.

    Tommy Motolla called Celine the BEST VOICE. Of course

    Mariah was a discovery. She worked like a robot

    under his instructions and made him rich.

    I wish a make a discovery like this !! ha ha ha

    09.Mariah is not a rebel. She would be a rebel if she

    started her ”rebellion” before selling 100m records

    worldwide ! She played safe ! She did her rebellion

    after she was esteblished as a world icon…so…

    this doesn’t mean much to me.

    10.You write : ”How Celine could sold 175m albums by

    2004 when her 2011 sales even doesn’t reach 170 million

    albums?”

    Uhmm…YOU say she sold 170m by 2011. Don’t take this

    as a fact because it is only your stupid opinion AFTER

    you deleted her sales.

    11.Celine’s 10 best sellers suprass Mariah by far :-)

    Over 100m coming from LTAL , FIY , TCOML , ATW !

    Over 14m coming from D’eux (10m , S’il suffisait

    d’aimer. (4m) !!

    D’eux sold 8m in Europe (8P) , 700k+ In Canada (7P) ,

    250k-300k to Us according to Billboard. 9m from these

    markets. 1m more from the rest of the world.

    12.Mariah recieved awards in 90s for her sales per year.

    Not overall. Besides,after mid 90s Celine recieved

    these awards.

    13.NONE of her fans calls Diamond award irrelevant.

    It is just you and a few pathetic lambs.

    14.You had the NERVE to say :

    ”Mariah sold more than two times Celine’s global

    singles sales !

    Worlwide Best Female Singles Sellers

    1- Mariah Carey
    2- Madonna
    3- Whitney Houston
    4- Britney Spears
    5- Janet Jackson
    6- Shakira
    7- Celine Dion” !!!

    How come Celine sold more than Beyonce and Lady Gaga in

    singles ? Ha Ha Ha Ha

    See why you just LIE ? Gaga sold 55m singles in 2 years.

    15.I never said Madonna and Celine have same amount

    of worldwide hits.You are a liar. Madonna has at least

    18 number 1s at UWC and Celine 4 !

    16.Mariah doesn’t have more worldwide hits than Celine.

    This is a lie.

    17.I never said Sous le vent , je sais pas ,

    pour que tu m’aimes encore are GLOBAL hits.

    On the other songs…well they are…

    I am Your Angel (for instance) is Celine’s

    3rd best selling single.

    18.That’s the way it is spent 8w at number 1

    at UWC. NONE of Mariah’s songs come close to this

    epic worldwide radio hit.

    19.I don’t know your definition of ”world hits”,really.

    Maybe you should make a list of Mariah’s

    WORLDWIDE hits , by giving me peak positions and

    certifications.

    20.We know Mariah’s Billboard achievents.Still,this

    doesn’t prove her worldwide success.

    21.Celine , you fool , sold albums steadily after

    ANDHC & improved as a performer & sold almost 4m dvds

    & grossed 680m from her tours. So try again :)

    22.You are an epic failure ! You call yourself expert ?

    ha ha ha ! Ok … I am going to believe you ! Lmao !

    23.European industry counted exactly Celine’s sales.

    Try again :-)

    24.Tane said Celine sold more albums than Mariah

    and brought a list where TEOM is shown to have sold

    3m in Us ! Need to say more ? ? ?

    25.Celine sold 20m albums MORE than Mariah !!!

    26.There are NO contradiction between me MOFF

    and Shutup ! If there are SHOW THEM TO ME !

    Not all ! Just 2 or 3 ! can you ?

    I already replied on this before.I guess

    you didn’t read my answer.

    27.Mariah can’t move on stage. Mariah HAS SAID

    THAT SHE CAN’T DANCE ! SHE SAID SHE HATES DANCING !

    Time to stop arguing on this.

    28.RIAA certifies shipments and Nielsen Soundscan

    counts sales. Madonna’s singles certifications

    show us she sold 40m ! (by RIAA)

    29.RIAA certified 4 Celine singles PLATINUM

    and you said she has 2m selling singles there.

    May I ask you WHY you posted this ?

    You just made a mistake ?

    30.Celine sold 60m in Europe.End of story.I told

    you these days I searched info on her sales.

    OVER 50m sold before 2003.Since she has 2 platinum

    albums in Europe (1m+) (One Heart , Taking Chances)

    This is why I said almost54m. I wanted to stick

    to the certifications.

    31.What You claim about IFPI and GBR are LIES

    AND YOU CAN’T PROVE THEM ! IFPI is not in position

    to prove Mousxouri’s worldwide sales.IFPI never

    announced sales for Mousxouri.

    GIRL , you try to prove IFPI is wrong because

    she PROBABLY made a mistake on Mousxouri ?

    This is enough for your LITTLE BRAIN

    to prove it also lies on Celine ?

    Of course only estimations would be made on Nana

    because she released over 400 albums without having

    a huge seller..! YOU NEVER PROVED THE 50M SALES

    FOR MOUSXOURI ! YOU NEVER SHOWED IT ! YOU NEVER

    PROVED IT !

    32.You said : ”

    ”So it’s useless to post lists and certifications sales

    here cause nobody will swallow them !” !

    So you don’t believe Immortality is platinum in

    Germany and Silver in France and UK ?

    If you can’t even believe THIS , then don’t bother coming

    back. It is POINTLESS for me to bring certifications to

    you !!!

    33.Celine has 51m certified albums. Check Nielsen

    Soundscan for the rest..!

    34.I know Mariah disobeyed Motola in 1997.This is

    not important at all. This doesn’t make her brave.

    She had her stable career.

    25.What is TRUE is that Mariah’s projects

    were underpromoted.

    26.You confound deal with obedience when you called

    Celine a robot that sings for money ! You did it first.

    27.”Mariah sacrified her huge success on Pop music to

    mark the way for R&B/Hip Hop music.”

    Ha ha ha ! don’t be so dramatic. You almost made me

    cry..!

    28.Celine LOVES touring as Mariah LOVES writing songs.

    You say Celine does it because of money. Anyone

    could imply Mariah songwrites songs for money as well..!

    29.Wikipedia says ”Celine Dion possesses a soprano

    vocal range that spans five octaves[186][187][188][189]

    and is regarded as one of pop music’s most influential

    voices.[6][38][190] ”

    See ? I laugh because you SUDDENLY seem to trust

    wikipedia when it is CONVINIENT for you.

    So why don’t you swallow what Wikipedia says

    for Celine sales ? ha ha ha

    30.Celine has legacy as 1.A Voice , B.Francophone

    Artist , C.Performer.

    31.Oceania and S.America are markets where Celine

    sold much more than Mariah.Sorry :-)

    32.You wrote for Mariah : ”Best selling French”

    This proves how reliable you are. :-)

    33.You can’t prove what you claimed about Mariah’s

    Asian success.

    @ TANE

    At least you posted sth right ! Mariah sold 165m

    albums by 2011. What you say contradicts with

    every official announcement on her sales.

    Search more.Mariah doesn’t have more

    certified albums than Celine.

    Celine sold over 180m albums since 1990.

    Undeniable winner.

    —————————————–

    CELINE DION (Unlike Mariah) has been Awarded / Credited

    for these :

    *Best selling Female artist

    *Best selling Artist in Europe

    *Best selling Canadian artist

    *Best selling French artist

    *Best selling Film Score of all Time

    *Best selling greatest hits worldwide of NS Era (All the way)

    *Best selling music DVD (A NEW DAY is one of the best selling DVD in music history)

    *Only Artist in history to have more than 1 album sell over 30 million worldwide (im sure MJ is on this list by now)

    *Best selling non-english album of all time

    & Second best selling French album , behind her own D’eux

    *Best selling single of 1998 / 2nb best selling of all
    times by female artist

    * 60m Soundratcks sold WORLDWIDE

    * 15m Coming From Other Projects WORLDWIDE

    * Special Awards in Europe , Africa , Canada

    * 65m Records sold in Us (Nielsen Soundscan)

    * Highest Grossing Solo Touring Act of 00s

    *Her last tour is the SECOND HIGHEST GROSSING TOUR IN HISTORY & 480m Dollars From Vegas Show

    * Over 1100 awards ( 10 Grammy / 2 Academy to her songs

    & Golden Globe & countless nominations)

    * Best selling French single of all times

    * Entertainer of The New Millenium

    * Most influencial francophone artist

    * Most influencial performer/artist in the history of Vegas

    * Yamaha Tokyo award for her voice at age 15,won by a
    Franch Song. &

    *Eurovsion song contest at age 20 with a french record

    again. (IMPRESSIVE)

    * 5,5m DVDs sold WORLDWIDE

    * Affected the economy state of Vegas. (The One And Only)

    —->

    Mariah is the best seller in Us (The past 20 years) and

    Asia of all time.All your falsified facts come

    from either Us or Asia and their countries.

    I am not pathetic to mention LOCAL awards for Celine

    in UK , Belgium , Switzeraland , Quebec etc like you

    did with China , hong Kong etc etc etc !!

    Ha ha ha ha ah !!

    Celine all the way guys :-D !!!

    @ MOFF … I hope she gets deleted somehow. ”All I Want

    For Christmas Is THIS”

    Lmao !!!

  228. MOFF says:

    Mariahs album sales stand at 160-170 million .. MAXIMUM 175 million.
    MAriah received the Diamond Award in 2003 for 150 (!) million album sales, and not like you said 170 million.
    Look exactly why she got this award – 150 !
    Celine got her award for 175 million albums sold.
    Look it up.

    AND Mariah has never sold 50 million since 2003, she has sold about 25 million.
    So that does not contradict to the Award which she has received in 2003.
    There was just 1 big seller for Mariah in this decade – TEOM.

    So Celine has sold more albums than Mariah.
    Why should Island Def Jam lie with 200 million records sold ?
    Thats true! (Although Mariah has sold more records 210-230 million)

    You think Mariah has more fans ?
    Why don’t they go to Mariah concerts and and why do they let Mariah sing alone?
    None of her concert (-tours) are sold out 100 % !
    Because she has more fans ?

    …. Mariah is a great artist and the third biggest selling female artist of all time!

  229. TRISH says:

    Indeed,Mariah Carey is the best selling female artist of all times !
    ( I made a mistake on my last post,putting “best selling french artist” among Mariah’s innumerable Worldwide achievements).
    @Lucky Luke: You said “what you say is not real because you can’t
    prove it by certifications. Mariah sold 64m in Us ,
    26m in Europe , 5m Canada (The most) , 4m (The most)
    in Oceania and as TRISH claims over 50m in Asia
    —> 150m Albums without counting Africa & S.America.
    I don’t believe Mariah sold 45m in Africa and S.America”.
    Really ? Just make the same analyze about Celine’s and Madonna’s sales by certifications and you’ll see the same problem with their total sales.
    It is so simple.

    1. @Tane,you’re so right in everything you say ! Thanks to make us know that Mariah is also more richer than Celine.I ignored it because I concentrated my researches on Mariah’s achievements, sales and talent.
    Here is the Tane’s list of Mimi’s albums ,which is is very very close to the one I showed in the other post .With rectifications at both ,we have :
    1990 Mariah Carey US Sales: 9,7 million (19 million–worldwide)
    1991 Emotions US Sales: 5 million (14 million–worldwide)
    1992 ‘MTV Unplugged US Sales: 4 million (12 million–worldwide)
    1993 Music Box US Sales: 10.5million (32 million–worldwide)
    1994 ‘Merry Christmas US Sales: 5 million (17 million–worldwide)
    1995 Daydream US Sales: 11million (27 million–worldwide)
    1997 Butterfly US Sales: 5 million (17 million–worldwide)
    1998 ‘#1’s US Sales: 5 million (19 million–worldwide)
    1999 Rainbow US Sales: 3,7 million (12 million–worldwide)
    2001 Glitter US Sales: 1 million (5 million–worldwide)
    2001 ‘Greatest Hits US Sales: 1 million copies ( 5 million–worldwide)
    2002 Charmbracelet US Sales: 1.2 million (6 million–worldwide)
    2003 ‘The Remixes US Sales: 900,000 copies (1.8 million–worldwide)
    2005 The Emancipation Of Mimi US Sales :6.7 million (13 million worldwide )
    2008- 2010 : E=MC2 (3m) + The Ballads (1m) + Memoirs Of An Imperfect Angel (2 m) + Playlist ( 0.2m) + Merry Christmas II You (0.8m) = 7 m
    Total : 207 million albums.
    So Mariah’s global albums sales even surpass slightly 200 million sold worldwide ! Mariah is the undeniable winner !
    So Mariah beat Celine and Madonna on total sales,voice,talent,achievements,records,influence,legacy,contribution,popularity ! Celine and Madonna slays Mariah only in concert ticket sales ! Mariah Carey : best-selling female artist & greatest female artist of all times !

    Mariah ‘s main records :
    Mariah’s achievements are WORLDWIDE !

    *Best selling Female artist of all Times !
    *Best/Greatest Voice Ever !
    *Best selling non-Asian Artist in Asia
    *Best selling R&B artist
    *Best selling non-Asian artist in Asia

    *Best selling Christmas album

    *Best selling Christmas single

    *Best selling album in Japan
    *Best selling single in Japan

    * Best selling album in China

    *Best selling album in South Korea

    *Best selling album in Taiwan

    -Mariah’s Music Box,Daydream,Butterfly,# 1’s,Charmbracelet are the only western albums to pass 500 000 legal sales and more in China !.Music Box sold over 750 000 copies in China and is the best selling non-Asian album in that country.
    -#1’s is the best selling non-Asian album in Japan and Taiwan
    -Music Box is the best selling non-Asian album in South Korea ( Whitney Houston owns the second best selling album there )
    *Best selling artist overall of the 1990 decade
    *Best selling female artist of the whole last Millennium

    *Most certified Platinum singles in USA

    *Over 25 certified Gold singles in USA
    *Most albums certified 4x Platinum or better in USA,by a female artist

    * Most influencial female artist/singer worldwide

    * Most # 1 songs penned by a female songwriter

    * Most World Music Awards than any other artist overall
    *Most Popular Christmas Song

    * Most weeks cumulated atop the the Billboard Hot 100
    *Most weeks cumulated atop the Brazilian Hot 100 Singles

    * Most # 1 singles in Billboard Hot 100 Singles ( the largest Chart )
    *Most Popular Artist In Asia Continent
    *Most popular artist overall of the 1990 decade

    *Larger vocal range ever ( for having hit the highest vocal note ever and also the lower )

    • Second richest female singer of the world ( worth over 750 million )
    • And countless others achievements and records !

    Indeed,I realize how much Mariah is richer than Celine.Mariah owns huge part of the expensive royalties of her songs unlike Celine that owns 0 % from royalties .in the background of Gillette Venus , Mariah Carey signed an insurance deal about her legs,worthing 1 billion dollars !That’s proves how much she’s rich and her fortune is huge ! No doubt that she’s much more rich than Celine !
    About the Forbes’s list this creep skinny and bony spotty ass refers to, it doesn’t indicate the fortune of the celebrities ,but rather their income for just one year ! Nothing to do with the fortune neither the total of income cumulated by the celebrities all along their career ! Mariah is really more richer than Celine !

    Mariah Carey is the best selling female artist of all times and the greatest singer ever ! She kicks Madonna’s skinny ass in the US,the greatest music market of the world ! Mariah got 27 certified gold singles and 15 certified Platinum singles in USA alongside a 20 years of career,Madonna got 25 certified gold singles and 4 certified Platinum singles there within 27 active years !
    Madonna got 17 certified gold albums in the US and 12 certified Platinum albums there,Mariah got 17 certified gold albums and 15 certified platinum albums in US ! And all this in a shorter time than Madonna and with less releases ! No doubt who is better in America ! Nowadays Mariah carey sold at least the same amount of albums than Madonna in USA ( the difference of 0.5 million that existed before the release of MC2Y between their total album sales,there is covered since 2010 by the release of Merry Christmas 2 You.Mariah’s official total albums sales is just not updated yet ) and much more singles ( undeniable ! Their respective certifications in Us proves it,and Mariah would also beat Madonna with her uncertified sales !).
    Mariah Carey is the most succesful female artist in USA !

  230. The Reason says:

    I replied to this parody-post at the other debate.

    You are sick.

  231. MOFF says:

    Mariahs album sales stand at 160-170 million .. MAXIMUM 175 million.
    MAriah received the Diamond Award in 2003 for 150 (!) million album sales, and not like you said 170 million.
    Look exactly why she got this award – 150 !
    Celine got her award for 175 million albums sold.
    Look it up.

    AND Mariah has never sold 50 million since 2003, she has sold about 25 million.
    So that does not contradict to the Award which she has received in 2003.
    There was just 1 big seller for Mariah in this decade – TEOM.

    So Celine has sold more albums than Mariah.
    Why should Island Def Jam lie with 200 million records sold ?
    Thats true! (Although Mariah has sold more records 210-230 million)

    You think Mariah has more fans ?
    Why don’t they go to Mariah concerts and and why do they let Mariah sing alone?
    None of her concert (-tours) are sold out 100 % !
    Because she has more fans ?

    …. Mariah is a great artist and the third biggest selling female artist of all time!

  232. MyVegasEntertainment.Com says:

    She is the Best-Selling Female Artist of All Time and has won five Grammy awards for Album of the Year, Record of the Year, Best Pop Album and Best Original Song for Beauty and the Beast then Titanic. Hailing from Quebec, Canada, Celine Dion has been a powerhouse vocalist since she was a young girl. Now as a mother and wife, she continues to charm audiences around the world with her sense of humor, honesty, and most of all, her incredible voice.

    She’s performed in five continents, 25 countries and before 3 million people across the globe. Right here in Las Vegas at Caesars Palace she sold out every single show during her previous 5-year residency before going out on tour in 2008-2009. Now Celine Dion returns to a city she considers a second home to once again sing hits like “My Heart Will Go On” and “It’s All Coming Back to Me Now” along with “Where Does My Heart Beat Now?” and “Because You Loved Me.” Celine Dion will be backed by dancers and a live band, making this production one you can’t miss if you’re a fan of the diva.

    If you’ve never seen Celine Dion perform before and are considering a ticket, make sure you buy your tickets soon. She’s won 20 Juno Awards, 40 Felix Awards, 5 Grammys and 7 American Music Awards; which should let you in on the level of talent Celine Dion continues to demonstrate and why her shows sell out so fast.

    mylasvegasentertainment.com/las-vegas-shows/las-vegas-show-reviews/celine-dion-caesars-palace-show-review.htm

    Mariah Who ? Ha ha ha ha ha ha

  233. MOFF says:

    Yes, Celine sold more than Mariah Carey, but less than Madonna. Fact

  234. tane says:

    trish you are right about those sales, because some of those albums are 15 to 10 years old menaing if there that old people are still buying them!

    mariah is richer( worth 750 million)
    whilst Celine is worth 590 million!

    big difference!

    but I like both artist just Mariah Carey more because she has influenced me more and she makes me proud!

  235. LuckyLuke says:

    @ tane / TRISH

    You are WRONG AGAIN !

    In May 2009,Celine Dion was named the 20th best-selling

    artist of the decade in the United States and the second-

    best-selling female artist of the decade in the United

    States, selling an estimated 17.57 million albums.

    In June 2009, Forbes Magazine reported that Dion earned

    $100 million during 2008.

    In December 2009, Pollstar announced that Dion was the

    best-selling solo touring act of the decade and the

    second-best-selling touring act of the decade, only to

    the Dave Matthews Band.

    Dion grossed $522.2 million during the decade, a large

    sum of that coming from her five-year residence at

    Caesars Palace.
    Concert film and video release: late 2009–2010

    In January 2010, The Los Angeles Times presented its

    annual list of the top ten largest earners of the year,

    and revealed that Celine Dion took the TOP spot for the

    entire decade, with $US747.9 million in total revenue

    from 2000-2009.The largest haul came in from

    ticket sales, totaling $522.2 million.

    On Top Of These Celine’s parfumes sold almost $US900

    million.

    You said Celine is worth 590m ! This is a big Lie ,

    cause as you see Celine earned 750m this decade

    without counting her parfumes , DVD sales.

    Mariah can’t compete with Celine in incom because

    Mariah doesn’t have incom from ticket sales.Plus

    NONE of Celine albums were commercial dissapointments

    for her label. Unlike Mariah , whose high budget

    fully promoted albums are considered epic failures

    by her label.For instance Glitter,was such a huge flop

    that she was given money to leave the label.

    Finally, even other lambs said Celine has more money

    than Mariah,so what you and TRISH mention is untrue,

    falsified and biased and once more you are unable

    to prove Mariah’s money.

    On top of all of these , Celine new recidency show

    is already sold out —> more money for Celine.

    Her tours were seen by 6m people this decade with

    tickets being overpriced..!

    Celine is the top earner. The 5th richer woman

    in entertainment , behind Madonna (4th) , Martha S. (3rd)

    , Rowling (2nd) and Oprah (1rst).

    Mariah is at number 6.

    gawker.com/#!229749/oprah-winfrey/forbes-annual-rich-ladies-list-reveals-madonnas-massive-orphanpurchasing-financial-reserves

    You’d better die than Calling Forbes partial !

    You’d better hit your head in a wall before calling

    LA Times biased ! If you do , you should know that

    you are UNABLE to participate in a debate.

    Think of it.

  236. tane says:

    lukyluke: you are wrong Mariah Carey is richer! and Celine Dion earned 45 million dollars in forbes top 100, I watched it on E and I have to say not one singer earned 100 million dollars! including Celine Dion!

    why do you lie about her fortune when she is worth 590 million?

    Mariah Careys worth over 750 million because of all her endorsement deals she’s had, and her perfume she’s sold.
    like lollie pop bling was a hit perfume seller!

    thats why Mariah Carey is worth more!

    and luke the list you said about the richest woman in entertainment is 6 years old! they showed that on E in 2006!

    richest female singers of all time:
    madonna: 1.1 billion
    mariah: 750 million
    barabara: 680 million
    celine: 590 million!

  237. LuckyLuke says:

    @ Tane

    You lie again !

    All the facts I posted are REAL and RECENT !

    Coming from data from 2009 , 2010 and 2011 !

    Learn how to read..!

    Don’t post fake sales to me !

    Give me a link where Mariah’s worth is shown to be

    more than Celine’s ! LIAR !

    You have been here for a week and you have changed

    your OPINION on sales 100 times already !!

    LEAVE or GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT !

    L I A R !!!

    You are in the same level as TRISH – This bitch

    had the nerve to say that Mariah has 27 GOLD us singles!!

    You are garbage material.

  238. LuckyLuke says:

    This video says it all. I am really bored of

    writing.

    youtube.com/watch?v=79ul5PJkmBI

    Celine = I m m e n s I t e <3

  239. Carla says:

    The problem is that most of posters here are not just fans,they are rather fanatics ! They admit a thing is true only when it favours their own idol .All this discussion just to prove among 2 musical legends who is better ?
    I’ won’t give my opinion on Mariah’s sales face to Madonna .However, for Celine vs Mariah on sales, I don’t think Celine sold more records than Mariah . Celine’s album sales are lower than Mariah’s, even if they are very close ( a difference of 5 or 10 million ),and her singles sales are far behind Mariah’s ( a difference from 20 to 30 million ).Their respective total album and singles sales are very close but Mariah keep the supremacy.

  240. LuckyLuke says:

    @ Carla (Lmao)

    THE LAST THING WE NEED IS YOUR BIASED ESTIMATIONS !!!

    ———————> > >

    You say Mariah is ahead of Celine for around 25-40m

    records. (You said 5-10 albums and 20-30 singles)

    TRISH said Mariah sold 100 million records more

    than Celine.

    Tane said Mariah sold LESS albums and more singles.

    Can you see why it is IMPOSSIBLE to talk with lambs ? ? ?

    You all come here with you sh***y theories that

    contradict so much with each other and you want us to

    just believe Mariah’s overall superiority.

    You are simply WRONG in everything you claim !

    Mariah sold around 165m albums & 55m singles the most.

    Everything is calculated —>

    mariahjournal.com/infozone/charts/singles/usa/index.shtml

    Her official sites , her awards and most important

    her label announcement prove Mariah’s sales.

    & her certifications (64m Us , 5m Canada , 28m Europe ,

    4m Oceania and so on)

    Celine was given ere worldwide/RECENT distinctions for a

    good reason.

    Mariah got her Diamond Award for sales of 150m albums

    by 2003 and Celine her Diamond Award for sales of 175m

    albums in 2004. This is not my opnion. This is a

    FACT proved by their respective WORLDWIDE certifications

    and exact datas.

    Finally,it takes more than just records to determine

    the best seller. Celine is the one that sells tickets

    (not cheap like downloads) and dvds,not Mariah.

    Celine is the one that does sold out RESIDENCY shows.

    Celine is the top earner of this decade.

    Celine recieves Special Local Awards that prove her

    sales status even at micro-markets.

    Celine is associated with successful soundtracks.

    Celine affects the economy of A CITY – Vegas !

    YOUR FAVE COULD NEVER !

    C Ya !!

  241. tane says:

    oh blablabla lukyluke, you say we are liers just look at your facts you put up so everyone can read PLEASE get real!

    heres a link of my proof, but obviously you’ll just say its a lie!

    richest female singers a of 2011:
    infomusicworld.com/10-richest-female-singers-in-the-world.html!

  242. tane says:

    and plus I have to say us Australians love Mariah Carey more than Celine Dion!

  243. tane says:

    what happened between you and trish luke? I just read you guys ‘ oveer debate’ but yous are still arguing

  244. LuckyLuke says:

    @ tane

    TRISH lies about Mariah’s sales , saying she sold 100m

    MORE than Celine. You disagree with this because you

    said Mariah sold more singles. Carla disagees with this

    because she said Mariah sold around 20-30m records more.

    Mariah’s awards and sites and labels disagree with

    TRISH as well. See why I keep fighting with her ?

    Moreover she called Celine : clown , ugly , average

    singer , same level with Britney , comedian , 0 legacy.

    Can you name when I said sth mean about Mariah ? This

    will help you see who is the fanatic here.

    I read the link you brought and it says about Celine :

    ”Do not miss 42-year-old singer Celine Dion has a us $

    590 000 000 d during his 30 years work” !

    Ok tane…I really laughed !

    It says HIS for Celine xD

    I don’t need to say more on how reliable this page is.

    But I will search on it,since you brought facts.

    I don’t insist anymore on this. :-)

    You did sth, TRISH never did. You brought links.

    Thanx

    PS Celine sold around 200k more in Australia than MC ,

    while releasing less albums/singles.

  245. tane says:

    well then that’s settled then:)
    mariahs sold less albums around about 175 million worldwide whilst Celine has sold 200 million but Mariah has sold more singles

  246. LuckyLuke says:

    @ tane

    First of all SORRY for insulting you.I was upset by this

    debate and I overreacted against you.I RESPECT you

    because you base your opinion on sales facts you find on

    the internet. You don’t talk from your head. Thanks for

    being a fair debater.

    Mariah sold more singles than Celine,no doubt.

    In album sales you are right because Celine sold more

    than Mariah , but not 200m albums. She is around the

    180m – 185m and Mariah around to 165m – 170m.

    You posted a link from Mariah’s site and I posted

    another. If you see,in EVERY source it is said that

    Mariah got her Diamond Award in

    2003 for sales of 150m albums. I Am GLAD you agree

    with this !! Celine got the same award in 2004 for

    sales of 175m albums. I am not a liar for saying this.

    You can check it.

    I am happy this is settled. Thanks for you patience

    and SORRY for my insults. :-)

  247. MOFF says:

    Wow :)Thannks at Tane for believing us, expecially Luky Luke !
    I’m so glad, too because we showed you the truth in sales and you are now a fair debater by posting LINKS and sources, unlike TRISH who still insist with claiming SH** with NO proofs!
    Thank you Tane, Mariah is a great singer but sold less records than Celine and Madonna.

    We’re glad !

  248. CD&MC says:

    I love both of them, but the title “greatest singer of all time” is an opinion, not facts. I prefer Celine Dion over Mariah, but I LOVED MC’s earlier songs. Facts won’t change these fans’ minds and will not prove who is the better singer, unless talking about the best selling female artist of all time. But this discussion is all about opinions, and this suddenly became a wall to bash the singers and authors of these posts. I hope you guys can see how stupid this is, bashing each other for months with facts. Peace! (My opinions. Feel free to reply, but don’t bully me with your hateful words and facts.)

  249. LuckyLuke says:

    @ CD&MC

    100% Agree. :) This debate has been nerve cracking for all

    of us. :/ Peace at Last ! :-P

  250. tane says:

    wow I am happy now:)…thanx a lot gise!

    and I am sorry to for the insults I made as well:)

  251. TRISH says:

    Tane,you made a huge mistake,Mariah sold 175 million albums and Celine 200 million ones ? So Laughable ! Hahahaha ! No,no.Where Celine could ever sold 200 million of albums ? Even with singles sold Celine surpass slighty 200 million records ! Wake up my dear !
    With twenty years in the music industry, Carey has the following RIAA achievements:
    RIAA Certifications ( 130 in total ) :
    Album: 17 Gold, 15 Platinum, 10 Multi-platinum, 2 Diamond. Singles: 25 Gold, 15 Platinum, 4 Multi-platinum. Videos: 7 Gold, 6 Platinum.
    ? As of December 2006, Carey’s single “All I Want For Christmas Is You” became the largest selling holiday themed ringtone in history with digital sales surpassing 500, 000 downloads making it certified gold by the RIAA.

    ? By the way,Thanks for remind me that also Lady Gaga and Beyonce outsold Celine in singles worldwide.

    Worlwide Best Female Singles Sellers
    1-Mariah Carey
    2- Madonna
    3- Whitney Houston
    4- Lady Gaga
    5- Britney Spears
    6- Beyonce
    7- Shakira
    8-Janet Jackson
    9-Christina Aguilera
    10-Celine Dion
    ? If Mariah sold 55 million singles worldwide,that would mean Celine sold 20m – 25 million ones worldwide.If Celine sold 40m -50million singles worldwide,that mean The Voice sold 90m -100 million ones worldwide ! It’s logic and so simple !
    So,it’s clear that The Voice outsold Celine by 40m -50million singles worldwide !

    ? Mariah Carey features the cover of much more magazines than Celine worldwide,even in Europe. Both French Magazines Gala and Voici had respectively rank Mariah as the 8th and 10th most beautiful woman of the world.
    ? Mariah Carey is one of most media covered artists of the 2000 decade unlike Celine Dion.She receive the most amount of media coverage among the international female artists of her generation( Celine Dion,Madonna,Whitney Houston,etc…).She’s even among the female international stars of the latest generation like Britney,Beyonce.Rihanna,Lady Gaga,Shakira,Christina,etc…on media coverage .

    Mariah Carey outsells Celine and Madonna by far on home video sales worldwide ( DVD,VHS,etc…) as she sold over 9,5 million home videos just in US ,only with certified sales! So ,with uncertified sales, her videos reach approximately 15 million the less,just for the US !!! So Mariah is by far the best female seller of home videos in the world !
    1. Lucky Luke said “You lie about some of these artists. Justin Timberlake
    – just to gossip a little bit – DENIED to duet with
    Mariah in 2002. Mariah wanted to have a duet with
    Justin on her song ”Yours” but he refused cause
    Mariah was not popular. Still,in 2006 after TEOM
    Justing wanted a duet with MC but she denied back !
    Ha ha ha ! but honestly, I don’t see how Justin
    is influenced by Mariah.” Really brilliant,Luke ! Well ,how old are you ? 15 ? How did the fact by which Justin denied to duet with Mariah in 2002 mean she didn’t influenced him ???? What a retarded mind you are ! Justin Timberlake claimed Mariah’s influence on him before Mariah’s unpopularity from 2001 ( Glitter era ) ! What musical influence on artist have to do with duet collaboration and popularity ? If Beyonce or Christina would deny to duet with Mariah because MC’s popularity is relatively low nowadays, would this mean that Mariah had never influenced their music and singing style ???
    So you base musical influence and inspirations of artists on the fact by which they accept to duet with the one that had influenced them !That’s why you always claim that Garou,II Divo,etc…are influenced by Celine !!! Besides,Garou ,Charice,Marc Dupre ,etc…are not international artists ! They are not popular worldwide and they never integrate even the Eurochart ,nor the United Worldchart neither
    Billboard chart .Please.check the word “ influence “ in a dictionary for seeing its meaning,pitiful nerd !
    About fortune,Mariah is richer than Celine,proven by Tane’s sources and also by Mariah’s achievements.Mariah started to collect impressive amount of incomes many years before Celine ! Celine started to have impressive income only by late 1990’s.So it’s logical that Mariah is ahead of her on fortune .Mariah always had various sources of income ,unlike Celine and was ahead Celine in the 90’s with a respectacble difference.That’s why Celine can’t cath up with her,even if she damage her voice that become more and more nasal by endless concerts and tours all along the 2000 decade !
    -Mariah’s incomes come from not just music business .Since 1991,Mariah realized promotions for many brands and commercial labels, especially Japanese ( lipsticks,jewerlly,etc….) and americans.She took part at fashion parades for Tommy Hilfiger ,and also for Versace.In 2006 She realized promotions for Pepsi,Intel,etc…she created a twenty of ringtones for Motorola,she make promotions for the Italian fashion label Pinko and worked as a model for it.She also took part in fashion shows in 2008 next to other female stars like Rihanna and Beyonce.
    Mariah’s first perfume “ M By Mariah Carey “ was the best selling perfume of 2006 and was also voted best perfume of the year !
    Mariah also get income from her acting career.She made cameo appearances in many films ( The Bachelor,Sex and The City 2,State Property 2,etc….) and holds major role and others ( Tennessee,Wisegirls,Precious,etc…).She writes,compose and produce songs for herself and also for many other artists since 1995 ( Allure,Patti Labelle,7 Mile, Faith Hill, Rihanna,etc…)! She also wrote songs for films ( Men In Black,How The Grinch Stole Christmas,etc…). In the background of Gillette Venus , Mariah Carey signed an insurance deal about her legs,worthing 1 billion dollars !1 BILLION DOLLARS just for an insurance deal ! That’s proves how much Mariah is rich and how much her fortune is huge ! No doubt that she’s much more rich than Celine !Mariah is at least the second richest female singer of the world.
    The voice is the best !

  252. TRISH says:

    ? Mariah is way better than Celine on dance skills, Don’t insist.The opinion of the majority of men ( and women ) around the world matters much more than just yours.
    ? About voice,David Foster is a Canadian like Celine ,so he just did his duty as such a good compatriot and showed solidarity with Celine when he said that she had the better voice. Moreover ,just the song you cited ,by which Foster collaborated with Carey doesn’t mean so much…Walter Afanasieff collaborated in many songs with Celine Dion and Mariah Carey respectively.so his statement is right cause he’s in a better place to make comparison on the vocal abilities and skills of these two legends as he worked in more than just one song from each .Afanasieff claimed what he noticed on Mariah’s voice because his remark was truthful ,so the fact that he doesn’t speak with Mariah nowadays doesn’t change it ! Besides,the opinion of David Foster is not up to it next to the opinion of the whole world,including other composers,experts,producers,musical executives,singers,polls,magazines,votes,musicians,fans,institutions,etc… that claim Mariah’s voice the best voice ever . Your remark is stupid !
    Tommy Mottola called Mariah the DISCOVERY OF THE CENTURY AS VOCALIST,not just a “ discovery! There is a very huge difference between being a “ discovery “ and being “ THE DISCOVERY OF THE CENTURY ” !. Mariah’s discovery was much more important than Celine’s ,cause Mariah surpass Celine and all other artists ,specially on vocal abilities and sing skills.That’s why Tommy called MC ‘ Discovery of The Century ‘ and that Columbia invested so much money on her debut album !
    She was always considered superior to Celine,till the time when she disobeyed Tommy and the Columbia team by her artistical choices .

    Mariah never worked like a robot,unlike Celine ! Even at her debut,Mariah always imposed some of her ideas and choices in her work ( She always introduce a few R&B material into her Pop albums,and also bring some of her Pop material ),unlike Celine who do exactly what Tommy and the team say her to do and nothing else !Celine is the only robot. Besides,Celine continue to obey till now, like at her debut ! so she stay the only robot of music.
    Mariah is a rebel next to Celine ! She didn’t played safe ,as she dropped out Pop to R&B,a much less successful musical genre although she was the most successful Pop female artist when she did Pop ! so she could sell much more with Pop releases even though she was already established as a world icon, since Her career was not ended in 1995 ! If she played safe ,she would stay in Pop music ,to stay a stable album seller and collect much more success all over the world ! She would make only Pop albums like Celine, just to have other albums selling over 30 million and over 20 million worldwide like Music Box and Daydream ! But the artistical inclination and feeling was more important than the success for her .
    Celine’s total album sales by 2011 doesn’t reach 170 million .
    Celine’s 10 best sellers albums are far behind Mariah’s !
    Celine’s 10 best-sellers :

    1-Falling into you 31m
    2- Let’s talk about love 30m
    3- All The Way… A Decade Of Songs 19 m
    4- The Colour Of My Love 16m
    5- These Are Special Times 12m
    6- A New Day Has Come 10m
    7- D’Eux ,The French Album 9m
    8- One heart 5m
    9-Taking Chances 3,5m
    10-S’il Suffisait D’aimer 3m
    Total : 138,5 million albums

    Mariah’s 10 best sellers :
    1-Music Box 32m
    2-Daydream 27m
    3–# 1’s 19m
    4-Mariah Carey 19m
    5-Butterfly 17 m
    6-Merry Christmas 17 m
    7-Emotions 14m
    8-Rainbow 13m
    9-The Emancipation Of Mimi 13m
    10 –MTV Unplugged EP 11m
    Total : 182 million albums sold
    Mariah sold 43,5 million albums over Celine with her 10 best selling albums.Mariah is better ,no doubt.So Celine needs more albums to sell impressive amounts unlike Mariah !
    Celine didn’t receive Mariah’s 1990’s Awards .The only Award Celine received that Mariah received before is the Chopard Diamond Award .
    I correct for you : Producers,composers,songwriters have won 10 Grammy ,in which 5 went to Celine.

    Mariah has much more worldwide hits than Celine .Mariah has 89 # 1 hits worldwide ( lately I discovered other # 1 hits for Mariah in the Caribbean ,in Asia and in South America ) ,Celine has just 45 # 1 hits worldwide !
    You said “ we know Mariah’s achievements in Billboard “ ,We know Celine’s achievements in Canada as well.Still,this doesn’t prove Celine worldwide success.
    Mariah’s album sales surpass Celine’s in the 2000 decade,even if Celine has more releases in that decade.Some people just call Celine’s sellers successes while they call wrongly Mariah’s flops.
    Mariah is humble,that’s why she said she hates dancing whereas she’s better than Celine on this.
    -Mariah is the best seller of singles in USA,proven by her RIAA certifications there.She surpass Madonna by far on this ( Madonna : 4 platinum singles and 23 gold singles there,Mariah : 15 platinum singles there and 25 gold singles ).
    -Celine has sold 54m albums in Europe,not 60m .
    You said yourself ( and many other debarters on Popdirt blogs ) that Nana Mouskouri sold 200 million albums worldwide IN ACCORDANCE WITH IFPI.
    No,not only estimations would be made on Nana sales,IFPI should be able to count every Mouskouri’s sales in Europe ,no matter if they are 10,50 ,400 or 700 albums since this is its work and purpose.Otherwise,IFPI is not reliable.I proved that Nana Mouskouri’s total sales reach barely 50 million .
    France 12 million ( her best market worldwide )
    UK 4m
    Greece 3,5m ( best-selling artist there )
    Canada 3m
    Nana never integrated Billboard Chart’s sales ! Her sales were always too insignificant there.She’s a minor seller in all the world ( except for Europe and Canada relatively ) and has sold less albums in Asia,Latin America,USA ,Africa and Oceania than any of the 20 best-selling female artists of all times.
    Celine is a robot not because she always obeyed her label and the management team,but also because she never bring or impose any ideas from herself in her own music.She just do exactly what they want her to do and what her label wants.That’s why her songs are so predictable and even her belts sound regular.Her work lacks adventurism and personality.
    I never swallow what Wikipedia says for Celine on sales cause Wikipedia supports Celine at 100 % by partial statements and falsified figures sales whereas it decrease Mariah’s achievements.If Celine would had legacy,Wikipedia would never omit to show it.They would rather omit to put Mariah’s !
    Mimi rules,take it !

  253. MOFF says:

    Trish is a liar.
    Administrator: banish this sick girl!

    Celine sold more albums than Mariah Carey.
    DEJ JAM claimed 200 million records and they counted RIGHTLY.

  254. LuckyLuke says:

    TRISH said Mariah’s 90s Dvd are Platinum and all reach

    at least 9m copies in Us sales alone.

    She doesn’t know that a platinum certification in Us

    for DVDS means the DVD sold 100k , and not 1m , like it

    happens with albums.

    I REFUSE to debate with ignorants.

    I REFUSE to debate with people that lie about RIAA

    single certifications. (Mariah has 27 gold Us singles)

    Bye Bye…

    This goes to TRISH

    youtube.com/watch?v=XBcvRR5zAV8

    With LOVE xD

  255. !!!!!!! says:

    Oh my gosh! Can you guys please shut up about all this? CD$MC is right. You guys are making a fool of yourselves going on and on about who’s better with facts for months and months. Oh and by the way Trish, no one cares about what you have to say with your harsh insults towards Celine and the authors of these posts.you’re using those insults cause you have nothing better to say to prove Mariah’s better in anyway since none of us believes your stupid lies anyways!!! (Sorry if I just offended you, just needed to get it out of my system. Hope no harm comes from this post!)

  256. tane says:

    mariah for me is still the best! but Celine has influenced me to:) but its hard to determine whos a better sller you know?!!
    i think celines sold 250 million records where 200 million albums are sold and 50 million singles sold!

    and Mariah Carey she’s sold app. 270 million records where Mariahs sold 175 million albums and 95 million singles!
    also what makes an artist a bigger seller also counts towards their singles not just albums ,
    so think about it:)

    and both artists are spetactular! but I’m a lamb:)

    also @!!!!!! shut your mouth yu don’t know sh**!!:)

  257. LuckyLuke says:

    @ !!!!

    I Told You I agree with what CD&MC said and I was happy

    this debate was over,so I hope your post doesn’t

    include me.

    You are right that we have been fighting for months and

    actually this fight is over for me because , as you can

    see , TRISH doesn’t even know the certification level of

    DVDs In Us.She thought the platinum certfication stands

    at 1m just like the Albums so she came here to proudly

    announce Mariah sold 9m DVDs in Us and 15m in total ! ha

    ha ha ha ha !

    We can just take it easy and laugh about this MESS xD

    Finally,you are right about the insults. None of us ,

    needs to call Mariah ugly , fat or clown etc etc to

    make a point and none of us needs to call her awards

    irrelevant,in order to show Celine’s superiority.

  258. LuckyLuke says:

    @ TRISH

    Sorry for insulting you in the past.You started it of

    course but anyway…I am done debating with you

    because it is nerve cracking for me & you ignore

    things such as the Dvd certification Us system etc.

    To be 100% HONEST I don’t think you believe Mariah sold

    300m records. I Think you say this to react to the fact

    that I debated against you with Madonna fans. I think

    you wanted to ”teach me a lesson”.

    Finally, I love Mariah by all means and fighting over

    10-20m records etc is pointless.Besides sales

    prove nothing.

    @ Tane … Actually ”!!!!” is right because he/she

    doesn’t want fans to fight over sales and skills.

  259. Mariah Carey >Celine Dion says:

    Mariah really sold more videos DVD and VHS than Madonna and Celine .Check this link :
    search.com/reference/Sales_and_charts_achievements_for_Mariah_Carey ! It says that Mariah has over 23 certified gold singles from RIAA and she has 6 certified gold home videos and 6 certified platinum home videos by RIAA ( by 2006 ) !When we add the sales of Adventures of Mimi’s DVD,we have 7 gold singles for Mariah in US ! The source also states that Mariah’s album sales had reach 170 million worldwide in 2006 ! See ? 170 million albums sold back to 2006,and you still claim 170 million albums sold by Mariah to 2011 ? This link say it all and proves Trish is right in most of her statements .About Celine albums and singles,she doesn’t sold 185 million albums worldwide and Mariah sold most than 10 million singles over Celine worldwide.
    Mariah’s videos home sales ( DVD and VHS ) surpass Celine’s and Madonna’s worldwide ! Mariah have more certified videos from US .You can’t deny it !She sold more worldwide.

  260. LuckyLuke says:

    The link you sent me says exactly : (I Copy paste it)

    She has sold a total of about eighty million records in the U.S. (63 million albums and 17.5 million singles)[1] and over 220 million records worldwide (170 million albums plus 50 million singles) !

    ———> RESULT

    I was right saying Mariah sold 220m records worldwide.

    Thank You !

    * As Of singles it says clearly she sold 17m physical

    singles & over 13m digital downloads,which is what I

    have been saying.

    —-> On Celine —>

    Everything is clear. 175m sold by 2004. Official.

    Thanx again for the link xD

  261. LuckyLuke says:

    @ Oh ! I Just checked !

    It was since 2006 !

    So this page claims that Mariah sold 150m by 2003

    and 170m by 2006 !

    Ha ha ha ha !

    VERY RELIABLE !! Because TEOM sold 20m right ?

    Ha ha ha ha ha ha!!

    Come on guys, don’t you know you look ridiculous by

    claiming these falsified theories ? ts ts ts

  262. LuckyLuke says:

    Moreover Mariah has released 7 home videos !

    Got that ? SEVEN !

    How come Mariah has 6 gold and 6 platinum (12) home

    videos in Us ?

    I don’t know why you want to lie !!!

    She released 7 Home Videos and all are PLATINUM in Us.

    = 100k each = 700k at least in Us for Dvd sales.

    Keep posting lies guys :D

  263. LuckyLuke says:

    Celine Us Dvds :

    The Colour Of My Love – PLATINUM

    All The Way – PLATINUM

    A New Day…Live In Las Vegas – 7xPLATINUM

    Taking Chances World Tour – PLATINUM

    So Celine has 10 platinum home videos in Us &

    Platinum/Gold and Diamond DVDs in francophone countries

    & Her 2 latest DVDs charted at top 5 WORLDWIDE.

  264. LuckyLuke says:

    Celine sold over 180-185m albums and it is proved by

    various sources.You just don’t want to accept it.

    I can’t brainwash you guys,sorry.

    I posted not 1 nor 2 but 50 links proving that and you

    just called them ”biased” !

    Well ok ! How hard is this ? I could do the same.

    All in all this debate is over because you can’t prove

    Mariah’s sales in Asia and S.America and I can’t

    persuade you about Celine sales,since NONE of you trusts

    – World Music Awards

    – IFPI

    – Labels

    – Mediatraffic

    – Nielsen Soundscan/Billboard

    – Official Sites.

    If you check these sources , they combined declare

    Celine as highest seller. But you don’t trust them…

    so…

    Have a nice day all of you ! I hope I don’t get mean

    and hateful answers.

  265. LuckyLuke says:

    On top of the DVDs lies about certifications you also

    lied about income. Here is UPDATED info for the top

    earners.

    forbes.com/2009/06/22/top-eaning-musicians-business-entertainment-musicians_slide_3.html

  266. TRISH says:

    @!!!!! If you can read ,you’ll see all the things I showed all along the blog proving Mariah is better than Celine .I proved Mariah is a better artist ,as I show she’s better on voice,sing skills,influence,contribution in music,variety in music,multiple artistical/professional skills and assets, legacy,global popularity, talent ,single sales ( even if I don’t consider album sales as this question can’t be settled ) ,etc…About,Celine,what else can you find ( except for concert ticket sales and tours ) for proving Celine is better than Mariah ?

    Moff,we all are sick,not just me.I think that Lucky Luke and you are sick in the same way you do about me.So,we are all sick ! You and Lucky Luke love Celine and Madonna,then you try to put both as the best in everything including sales ! Although you know Celine isn’t a huge singles seller unlike Mariah ,you say she sold 5 million singles over Celine while you say Madonna sold 45 million singles over Mariah ! You even admit Lady Gaga ‘s supremacy over Celine on single sales( 55 million singles sold ) ,and that’s imply Lady Gaga equals Mariah on single sales ( 55 million single sold inaccordance with you ) ?????? Who is sick among you and me ? Mariah have so many hit singles over Lady Gaga worldwide ! Mariah have so many popular hits worldwide ,Lady Gaga doesn’t even come close !
    You always said that I proved nothing unlike you whereas you can’t prove Madonna’s singles certifications sales unlike me,you got just estimations ! Do you really think that I am sick next to you? You say that I never gave proves here as if I created completely everything I claimed here !About you,which source and Link did you give when you said Celine’s total albums sold worldwide surpassed Mariah’s in 2000 year ? You said Celine sold about 140 million albums in 2000 year while you claimed Mariah’s at 120 million in 2000 year ! Which institution had claim Celine’s total albums sold surpassed Mariah’s in 2000 year ? Unlike Celine,all Mariah’s releases in the 1990’s were smash hit albums.The lowest selling albums of Mariah in the 1990 decade surpass 10 million worldwide .In the 1990’s ,Celine had many releases under 10 million and under 4 million sales unlike Mariah .Just the 4 best selling releases of Celine couldn’t make her catch up with Mariah’s sales at 2000 year,cause Mariah hadn’t just 4 huge selling albums.That’s why Mariah is the best selling artist of this decade and her sales surpassed any other artist at this period. Mariah was consacred by every institutions,the best selling artist overall of the 1990’s and the best selling female artist of all times in 2000 year.I even don’t mention The Legend Award and the Millennium Award that confirmed Mariah is the best selling female artist of the whole last millennium !That’s mean Mariah’s albums sales in 2000 year was ahead Celine by a respectable difference ! Who is sick ? I think that you are not just sick but FOOL ! You try to make us swallow that Celine’s Falling Into You,The Colour Of My Love,Let’s Talk About Love and All The Way continue to sell in 2000 decade while Mariah’s Merry Christmas,Mariah Carey,Music Box,Daydream,# 1’S,etc… stopped to sell in 2000’s and stand at the same number of sales they reached in the 1990 decade ! In accordance with you,only Celine’s album sales grows up so that she surpass Mariah easily and spectacularly within 2 -3 years ! For example,Mariah was ahead Celine in 2003 ,but Celine surpass Mariah suddenly within 1 year by…25 million albums ! Who is the sick one ?

    Do you think you are healthier than me ? You try to make readers swallow that Mariah Carey eponymous album sold less than Celine’s The Colour Of My Love although the certifications prove the opposite. MC: 9m US + 1m Eur = 10m , TCOML: 6m US + 4m Eur = 10m.Their respective Japanese sales are equal ( 1 million sales for each in Japan ).You deny deliberately that MC sold more than TCOML in rest of Asia although you know very well that Mimi is much more popular than Celine there ! You did the same for TEOM and ANDHC and all their respective other albums ! How could you say that I am sick ? You said that I don’t have proofs for Mariah’s sales in Asia,but how could you say TCOML outsold MC worldwide if you don’t know their respective Asian sales ( at last presumptions favour MC as she’s usually more successful than Celine there )? So if there is one of both who had sold more in Asia,it’s necessarily Mariah Carey . Who is sick ? Same goes for all their other respective albums .You got the nerve to say Celine outsold Mariah on albums worldwide although you ignore their respective Asian sales ? How could you say Celine and Madonna sold more records than Mariah worldwide when you ignore their Asian sales ? You based all your arguments on US and Europe as your Idols are both very great sellers in these both markets ? You just forget that Mariah is a very great seller in Asia !
    How could dare you saying that Mariah sold just 5 – 10 million singles over Celine worldwide? Even at the end of 1990’s Mariah already outsold Celine by 20 million singles worldwide the less ! At the 2000’s Mariah continue to sells singles much more better than Celine ! Mariah got her latest million selling single in 2009.But you said 5 – 10 million singles difference.Who are the real sick fanatics in these debates?
    You love Celine and Madonna and support them ,at the other hand, I love Mariah.You can’t impose me to accept your claims in the same way that I can’t impose you to accept mines.So,you can’t demand that Popdirt administrator banish me just because my arguments doesn’t support your favorite artists.You’ll always trust institutions’s claims that favor your idols over MC,then accuse those that favor MC over Celine and Madonna being not reliable.
    When one poster ( in the blog Continuing The Top Selling Madonna vs Mariah ) had show us many Mariah achievements/sales and back it up with a link,Moff replied that “ he’s not impressed cause Madonna and Celine also have impressive achievements as well “.and he refuted all the achievements just because they showed the success/greatness of Mariah,not Madonna & Celine.And he call other people sick !!! Moff refute and challenge many links and sources given by lambs,however he never challenge any of the 50 links given by Lucky Luke ,as they favor his idols Celine and Madonna ! Nevertheless, he call me sick !
    Besides,all Popdirt debates are not about sales and best selling artist,there are only 2 blogs among all them which base their theme on sales : ( The top 10 best selling female artists & top selling female Madonna vs Mariah ). You try to direct every debate on sales performances because you know that’s all Madonna and Celine have as impressive . About sales,as you refute all my arguments,nobody can talk about best selling female artist of all times or best seller female artist ,since no one knows exacts sales in Asia continent.A fair comparison can’t be based only on Europe,America,Africa and Oceania continents.There is also Asia continent,the most populated continent and the greatest supporter of Mariah Carey with US.Mariah’s sales are huge there like Celine’s and Madonna’s are in Europe.So,we can’t ignore this continent when we talk about worldwide sales of female artists !
    IN RESUME, YOU WILL NEVER ACCEPT ANY SOURCE,LINK,ANALYSE,STATEMENT,ETC… THAT CLAIM MARIAH CAREY SOLD MORE RECORDS THAN CELINE DION. IN THE SAME WAY, LAMBS WILL NEVER ACCEPT ANY SOURCE,LINK,ANALYSE,STATEMENT,ETC… THAT CLAIM CELINE DION SOLD MORE RECORDS THAN MARIAH CAREY.It’s logic ! If you really want that this debate will be finally over,don’t say anymore that Celine sold more records than Mariah,then I’ll don’t claim anymore that Mariah sold more records than Celine (even though it’s true).Otherwise,I will always reply just like you do and the fight will continue between you and me.It’s so simple ! In that case,there is no winner neither loser !

  267. LuckyLuke says:

    @ TRISH

    Five Corrections

    Number 1

    Mariah Carey -> 9xPlatinum Us , 7xPlatinum Canada ,

    1xP Europe , 2xP Australia , 1xMillion Japan.

    The Colour Of My Love -> 6xP Us , Diamond Canada ,

    4xP Europe , 8xP Australia , 1xMillion Japan.

    Number 2

    Mariah’s singles are calculated.We don’t just decrease

    numbers.Gaga has 8 Worldwide Number 1s & way more singles

    are sold now because they are downloaded.So her 55m

    singles is true.

    Number 3

    You said : ” YOU WILL NEVER ACCEPT ANY SOURCE,LINK,ANALYSE,STATEMENT,ETC… THAT CLAIM MARIAH CAREY SOLD MORE RECORDS THAN CELINE DION. ”

    Sorry…but I didn’t see any link supporting this.

    I only saw links from WEBSITES and BLOGS.

    Number 4

    ”Emotions” and ”Mtv Live” don’t sell more than 10m.

    I don’t know where you got this info.

    & NOBODY said Celine sold till early 00s ! I said

    Celine’s albums sales were counted accurately at

    2002-2003.

    And this is far from being an ”opinion”.
    I DARE YOU AND EVERYONE HERE TO SEARCH AND SEE WHEN HER

    ALBUMS – A L’OLYMPIA – D’EUX – FALLING INTO YOU

    – LET’S TALK ABOUT LOVE – LIVE A PARIS – S’IL SUFFISAIT

    D’AIMER got their respective certifications !!!

    I DON’T LIE !!!

    Number 5

    Mariah can be greater in your eyes. Celine is greater

    for me. Will this lead somewhere ? I think no.

    It is just about time to learn not to attack people

    having a different opinion.

    ———————–>

    Finally , we never insulted Mariah and we never called

    worldwide-known sources partial or biased.

    Because , FOR US ,there is no motive at all,behind WMA or

    mediatraffic or nielsen Soundscan to just inflate

    or reduce artists sales.

    If you don’t trust them , I AM OK WITH THIS !

    If you don’t know Mariah’s Asian sales , OK !

    If you don’t know Dvds Certification level , OK !

    No problem…just stop trying to change our opinions

    with the sales (300m !!!) that come from nowhere.

    Your opinion has been CLEAR long ago.

  268. MOFF says:

    Link FROM YOU that Mariah has sold more than Celine ?

  269. tane says:

    how can we know which one is telling the exact truth? because from what I’ve countered each source I’ve seen has been different meaning one source would say Celine sold 200 million albums worldwide and the next would say 140 million albums worldwide and 60 million singles and videos sold!

    so no one would know there exact album sales until you find a trusted source.

    @trish you are right as well

  270. LuckyLuke says:

    @ Tane

    I can bet that there is NO internet source to claim

    Celine sold less than 175m ALBUMS ! Not even a website.

    I told you I 100% trust

    – Mediatraffic

    – IFPI / RIAA / Nielsen Soundscan that have detailed info

    – Media (Tv / Magazines)

    – World Music Awards

    – Official Sites That Contain Analyzed Certifications.

    Tane, please check these sources to see I don’t lie.

    I base my thoughts not on my preference towards Celine

    but to the combined info I gain.

    If you want I can give a few links from these sources.

    (Not Blogs and Websites)

    Besides, you gave us links from Mariah official website

    and according to this Mariah sold 150m by 2003 and

    over 200m+ records till 2011.

    ——>

    FINALLY

    World Music Awards Awarded MC for 150m sales in 2003.

    TRISH says Mariah sold 170m by then.

    World Music Awards Awarded Celine for 175m sales in 2004.

    TRISH says Celine sold 150m by then.

    . . . .

    Well,everyone can have an opinion. I don’t care.

    At least I don’t contradict with sources.

  271. Neringa says:

    hosnestly, I don’t care about Mariah or Whitney. Yes, they are good, talented and so on… But let me tell you, I listen to Celine and she can make me cry or even happy and this is amazing! She is a Star because she’s got charisma, she’s charming and absolutely gorgeous! She’s so kind, she’s an example for all of us! Who knows the road of the career of Mariah? And how many people know the way Celine went? I guess Celine Dion is much more known world-wide than Mariah. But just don’t be rude, I am tolerant for every fan, Mariah’s, Whitney’s or any other singer’s.

  272. Mariah > Celine says:

    Lucky Luke ,Trish statements are right ! By the way,you said that the source is wrong cause Mariah can’t sell 170 million albums in 2006 as her total was 150 in 2001 and her 2005 album sold over 10 million.Well ,what do you say for Celine ? Did One heart sells over 30 million in 2004 ? Since Celine was behind Mariah in 2003,and that One Heart ( released in 2003 ) had reach only 5 million worldwide ?Slighty confusing,right ? Not just Mariah’s sales !!!

  273. LuckyLuke says:

    @ Mariah > Celine

    You want me to believe that you actualy read all the

    statements of TRISH (most of them hard to follow because

    of writing style and spelling mistakes and many words)

    and now you actualy agree with her ?

    I said – AND LEARN HOW TO READ CAREFULY – that

    according you to your link Mariah had sold 150m albums

    by 2003 ! not 2001 ! And therefore it is FREAKING

    IMPOSSIBLE to sell 20m albums from 2003-2006 as she

    only released TEOM ! And TEOM did not sell 20m.

    So your link is full of nonsense !!!

    Now…WHO told you Celine was behind Mariah in album

    sales at 2003 ? This is just your falsified assumption.

    You just have to swallow that when we say – for instance

    – that the album ”Mariah Carey” is 9xPLATINUM in Us

    doesn’t mean it sold 9m copies at 1990 alone ! Probably

    the album charted till 1991 or 1992 ! With that being

    said – IT IS A FACT – taht Mariah’s debut got its final

    certification at the 15th December 1999,because the

    sales were COUNTED THEN by RIAA !! This happens with

    all the huge sellers. So Mariah had ALL HER ALBUMS

    certified by 2000 and therefore got her Millennium Award.

    If you check WHEN Mariah got her albums certified

    you will get many answers.

    Unfortunately for Celine (and me that support her)

    her blockbuster 90s albums recieved their respective

    certifications at 2003.

    After that everything was clear and this is why Mariah

    was awarded in 2003 for sales of 150m and Celine for

    sales of 175m in 2004.Not because One Heart sold 20m -.-‘

    I CHALLENGE YOU AND EVERYONE here to search the

    official announcements of 2004 on Celine’s album sales.

    She was awarded for reaching the 175m mark in album

    sales and THIS IS NOT MY OPINION ! IT IS A FU**ING

    F A C T !

    Now,with all these being said,if you don’t believe

    in World Music Awards/IFPI&RIAA/Sites/Media that prove

    what I say , I RESPECT THIS !

    Ok ? You got that ? I RESPECT THIS !!!

    Just don’t try to imply I am a biased liar , because

    I am not.

    Thank You. And PLEASE DON’T PRETEND again that you

    agree with TRISH , cause I know damn well NONE of you

    agrees with the claims that Mariah sold 170m by 2003

    (TRISH says so) and that MC sold 300m records by 2010 !

    I am not a stupid guy,in case you haven’t noticed.

  274. Jesuslovesme says:

    Celine is number one now and will be number one in the future. That is why she is the one with a show in Las Vegas, Nevada now. Also, that is why Celine is the one who was chosen to start with her show in Las Vegas, Nevada several years ago. Ceasars Palace created a whole auditorium especially for Celine Dion. Celine Dion learned English and became a huge star in the United States after already having been a huge star in Canada. That in itself is amazing. Celine Dion was chosen to sing “Beauty and the Beast” and “My Heart Will Go On”. “My Heart Will Go On” is actually Celine’s demo. That is how good she is at singing. To those who argue that Celine Dion is not the number one successful artist, you are lying or you do not know the facts.

  275. Jesuslovesme says:

    I personally love Celine, Whitney and Mariah. After everything that has happened though and based on Celine’s vocal abilities, kind heart, beauty, charm, sense of humor and over all talent, Celine Dion is my favorite.

  276. LuckyLuke says:

    * I didn’t make sth clear. Mariah’s albums from 1990-1998

    were counted exactly by 1999/2000.Not her ”Rainbow”

    Album cause it was released in late 1999 & promoted till

    late 2000.

    So if you check,Mariah sold 130m by 2000 and after

    Rainbow (10m) , Glitter (3m) , Charmbracelet (3m) ,

    Greatest Hits (3m) , Remixies (1m) were counted

    Mariah reached the 150m mark in sales by 2003.

    And so on…Then you add TEOM (11m) , E=MC2 (2.5m) ,

    Memoirs (1m) , Ballads (500k) and MerryXmas2U (600k)

    to see Mariah sold 167m.

    This is the truth if you TRUST

    – Her 2000 Millennium Award

    – Her 2003 Chopard Award

    – Columbia Records & Island Def Jam

    – Official Worldwide Sites.

    If you don’t trust them …. well… ok :)

    I don’t mean to brainwash anyone here.

  277. Regina says:

    I think Celine is the best! I mean everyone of us is fan from her favorite artist and we know well them stories to tell us a few facts to shout our mouths so fight for this it’s stupid, you can’t change the though from a person so this is a stupid fight… we people Celine fans! listen! what do you think Celine would like… persons fighting and saying horribles things to them self or people that respect to the competence? I would defend Celine trough my dead but I don’t defend the verbal violence and I think that Celine likes more this tipe of fans so let the other fans (Mariah Carey and withney houston) be. this will be an eternal discussion and I’m sure that they know all that Celine did and do.
    I love Celine and I will be pacefully like her wants from her fans…xoxo

  278. danica5celine says:

    well, Celine is way BETTER than Mariah… aside from the fact that Celine is the BESt singer in the world, she can also nail whatever song of Mariah, w/c Mariah can’t!
    Mariah is a bog Loser! she can’t accept the fact that Celine is better than her and we can find millions of Celine fans than Mariah’s…
    And everyone can see that despite of Celine’s fame, she still remains humble and down-to-earth.. unlike Mariah.. I heard so many bad comments about her attitude..
    yuck! a singer like Mariah shouldn’t be idolized! she never deserved to be a singer!

  279. LuckyLuke says:

    Today it is Mimi’s birthday ! Happy Birthday <3 <3 <3

    youtube.com/watch?v=au2elkXDjus

  280. TRISH says:

    @ Regina/Jesuslovesme/ Regina / Danica5celine
    every fans feel the same about their respective favorite artist.You prove nothing at all by your fanaticism delirium ! Celine is faaaaaaaaar to be as good as Mariah.Just read all the accomplishments and fulfilments that Mariah has unlike Celine !
    Your delusional chorus “Celine is way better than Mariah” Can’t change nothnig on facts !
    @ Shutup : You’re the only one here that needs treatment ,as you’re the delusional goblin,not me ! And you also needs to shut up ! I had the chance to see Mariah live 2 times in my life when she passed by France ( she never tours in my country Danemark ).. Mariah is incredible on stage ! I wasn’t disappointed at all . Her dance moves are graceful and sexy ( even though she doesn’t try to make her male audience get erection unlike Madonna ).See ? You’re just a dumb goblin ,nothing more !

    I’m clear,
    Corrections : Mariah Carey -> 9xPlatinum Us , 7xPlatinum Canada ,
    1xP Europe , 8xP Oceania, 1xMillion Japan =12.7 million
    The Colour Of My Love -> 6xP Us , Diamond Canada ,
    4xP Europe , 10xP Oceania , 1xMillion Japan = 13 million. You just proved that TCOML sells 0.3 million albums over MC in these countries. You proved nothing on MC VS TCOML Global sales as You didn’t show their Asian sales ! So where does this 4 million sales of difference between both albums come from ? How many each sold in Asia ???. Give their respective sales in China,South Korea, Taiwan,Hong Kong ,etc…that obviously favorize MC,like always )So ,it would rather MC sold more than TCOML worldwide ! It’s simple.
    Same goes for all their respective other albums !
    Mariah’s singles are not calculated rightly .Mariah’s singles sold surpass largely 75 million worldwide.Mariah got over 89 # 1 hits worldwide,much more than Gaga and Celine Dion.Gaga’s success on worldwide Chart doesn’t mean that she equals Mariah that collect success on Chart since 20 years ago ! Mariah is the Queen of Billboard ! don’t forget it !
    Which organization/institution had claim Celine’s sales were not counted accurately ?Every institution/media agree that Mariah is the best seller act of the 1990’s .Even if Celine’s sales wouldn’t counted accurately,they couldn’t surpass Mariah’s.Celine’s albums sales were counted accurately before 2000.Mariah is the best selling artist of the 1990’s not Celine.
    Besides,Mariah’s Asian sales are not counted accurately even till now ! So MC’s sales surpass Celine’s anyway !
    Lucky Luke said he didn’t see any link supporting MC sold more records than Celine,that he only saw links from websites and blogs. What difference ? Who create them ? Anyway, neither I never see any links from Lucky Luke showing Mariah’s sales in all Asia ( China,South Korea,Taiwan,Hong Kong,Phillipines,Malaysia, etc…) except for Japan .Your links would be fair if they would show only Celine’s sales in France exclude the rest of Europe,like they did for Mariah’s Asian sales,considering only her Japan sales .Any of these links never show MC sales in all Asia which support MC like Europe do for Celine.That’s why all the infos given by these links are biased and partial !

    You said Mariah sold 5 million albums in Europe ? I agree with it,but you can’t deny that Celine sold approximately 7 – 8 million albums the most in Europe although all her albums and singles are overcertified there. TEOM beats ANDHC on total sales worldwide .Celine’s sales in Europe are not exact ,they are estimated and overcertified.
    Emotions and MTV Unplugged albums had both surpassed 10 million respectively worldwide.
    Lucky Luke says there is something wrong to the way Mariah’s sales are calculated !! What does he say for Celine ‘s ?? Celine albums sales were under 130 million in 2003 ,then she reach 175 million albums the following ( 2004 ) year with one album selling barely 5 million worldwide !So ,One Heart has surely sold 45 million ?!!! The way Celine’s sales are counted is really right ! Laughable ! Mariah Carey is the best selling artist overall of the 1990 decade ( every media,organizations,institutions recognize it.Even Guinness World Records claimed it ).
    Mariah is ahead of Celine in sales and all other assets,except tickets concerts !

  281. MOFF says:

    No proofs Trish.. sorry :)

  282. LuckyLuke says:

    OK ! I HAVE HAD ENOUGH OF THIS CRAP !!!

    1.Mariah Carey album is not 8xP in Oceania,but 2xP

    in Australia.You still lie on certifications and you

    still want to come back here.

    2.Mariah doesn’t have 89 number 1s worldwide.LIE.You used

    to mention 81 number 1s before !

    3.What I say about their album sales is proven by

    Mediatraffic.But if you don’t trust Mediatraffic

    I AM FINE WITH IT.Keep your opinion and let me have

    mine.

    4.Celine got her final album certifications in 2003.You

    can search it..!It took 9 years to RIAA to certifie

    Mariah’s debut (9xP) and 9 years to IFPI to certifie

    Celine’s albums.

    5.Mariah is the best seller of the 90s,I never said

    she wasn’t and I never claimed she didn’t deserve her

    awards,SO DON’T PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH.

    6.Nothing proves Celine is overcertified.When I said

    Mariah is overcertified in Us,I based my argument

    on data coming from RIAA and Nielsen Soundscan.I

    didn’t create theories like you do.All in all,I think

    this ”overcertification” topic means nothing and I

    didn’t mention it to take down Mariah,cause it really

    means nothing.Besides,as you have seen I always say

    Mariah sold 65m albums in Us.

    7.You write ”Besides,Mariah’s Asian sales are not counted accurately even till now ! ”

    Sorry dear,the fact that you have 0 knowledge on her

    Asian sales doesn’t mean that her albums are not counted

    by 2011..!I know how many albums Mariah and Celine sold

    there because I searched their sites,and then double

    checked their respective certifications

    but I avoid posting these info here cause you will

    scream out I lie etc etc.

    8.You write : ”Celine albums sales were under 130 million in 2003 ”

    Where did you get this ? This is so wrong,I really have

    no idea what happens in your brain.

    YOU said -> D’eux (9m),Falling Into You (31m) ,

    Lets Talk About Love (30m),All The Way (19m) ,

    A New Day Has Come (10m),The Colour Of My Love (16m) ,

    S’il Suffisait D’aimer (3m),These Are special times

    (12m)—> TOTAL —> 130m ALBUMS by 2003 without

    counting Unison/Celine Dion/A L’olympia/Live A Paris/Au

    Coeur Du Stade/Dion Chante Plamondonn & her early albums.

    YOU SAID THIS !!! (POST 253)

    YOU SAID THIS 5 DAYS AGO AND NOW YOU CAME BACK TO

    SAY SHE SOLD B E L O W 130m BY 2003 !

    —> Result

    140m+ sales for Celine by 2003 according to you

    5 days ago and now she doesn’t even reach the 130m mark !

    —>

    TRISH , I don’t know what to say. It is a fact you come

    here to lie and provoke and this is sad.

    You may not trust my sources and this is acceptable.

    ACCEPTABLE. If you don’t believe Columbia Records

    (130m by 2000) , Island Def Jam (200m records by 2010)

    , World Music Awards in 2003 & her label (150m albums

    by 2003) & all her official sites that agree to what

    I say I CAN RESPECT THIS !!!

    BUT contradicting with yourself and posting lies on

    certifications and total sales is out of this world..!

    —-> After all this,there is no point fighting for

    TEOM , Emotions , A New Day Has Come etc.

    . . . . . . . .

    And sth more…The links I brought mention Mariah’s

    sales in Japan,China,Hong Kong and Twaivan to mention

    a few Asian markets…!

    This is why I asked you to explain me why the links

    are ”biased” ! Remember ? You just called them biased

    without giving me a reason.Thanx for proving me now that

    you never actually checked my links.

  283. Kim says:

    i will still love Celine until I die .

  284. tane says:

    @danica5celine oh stop having delusions of who has the best voice! its obvious MC is ‘the voice’! sated that Mariah Carey has the MTV award for best voice ever, and in blenders countdown on top voices Mariah was rated #1! she also has a 5 octave range wheareas Celine only has 3! Mariahs sold more singles at over 75 million fact! and has sold more albums in US than celine! at 64 milliin! and 175 million worldwide! that’s over 250 million records worldwide! so before you come and put mc down by saying Celine can slay Mimi at her every song think again because there’s seriously something mentally wrong with you!
    @luke I believe you, but MC has sold 175 million albums(:……..

  285. LuckyLuke says:

    @ Tane

    Thanx For Believing me…actually you’d better check

    the link you gave me from her offficial site. It contains

    Mariah’s certifiecations , certified sales and actual

    sales all analyzed.Even from Asian markets. :)

  286. J.C. says:

    Where are these other singers at these days? Celine’s enjoying her RETURN to THE COLOSSEUM that CAESAR’S PALACE built JUST FOR HER… and her 260 Million record sales…LMAO!

  287. Jesuslovesme says:

    Celine is the best! Nomatter what, Celine Dion is bigger news than Mariah Carey. Keep your LIES to yourself TRISH!!!!! Go get a life!!!!!

  288. Jesuslovesme says:

    LuckyLuke is being honest. I don’t believe anything you say TRISH!!!!!!!

  289. Jesuslovesme says:

    I will pray for you TRISH. Peace.
    P.S. It really doesn’t matter who has the most awards and achievements, because they are both in the same class and they are both uniquely different. There is really no point in fighting over who is the best, because they both have inspired millions of people.
    God bless everyone and I hope you will understand!!

  290. tane says:

    jesuslovesme and how would you know whos a better artist? please keep your unwanted comments to yourself! their so irrelevent!!!!

  291. TRISH says:

    Lucky Luke said “It is just about time to learn not to attack people
    having a different opinion” .This advice goes to his allies in these debates.Well I’ll just reply to Whoever insult me or Mimi without any hesitation.
    He also imply Celine is the best selling artist when you say she sold 140 million albums in 2000,while he said Mariah’s sales were under this number ! MC is the best selling artist of the 1990’s,not Celine !
    Moff : Just try to answer my last questions if you dare.Then you could ask me something here! Show me Celine’s total album sales in the 1990’s .Give me Links and sources claiming Celine is the best selling artist overall of the 1990’s instead of Mariah !
    Lucky Luke,truth are not based on what we can find easily on internet,but on facts ! Mariah outsold Celine since 1990 to 2011 year ! How Celine could ever catch up Mariah’s sales ? You said All the way sold mainly in 2000’s but Mariah got # 1’s and Rainbow that also had sold mainly in 2000’s as well !
    Lucky Luke lied.It’s from his business if he trust sources that favour his idols Celine & Madonna.However,he still cannot give any link that consider all Mariah’s Asian sales in their global sales statements !
    I don’t lie when I say that these sources lie and are biased and partial ! They never consider Mariah’s Asian sales in any of their statements,just her Japan sales ! They know that Mariah sold much more than Celine and Madonna in Asia,but they just base their lists,ranks,albums sales,etc… on US,Europe,Oceania,and the rest of the world except Asia ! Moreover,they overestismate Celine’s and Madonna’s sales in Europe whereas they underestimate Mariah’s sales ! So,they lie All the links that Lucky Luke and others Madonna’s and Celine’s fans usually give in debates are based on IFPI.Mediatrafic,Billboard,etc… estimations,that’s why all of them are biased and not to be trusted !
    No matter if there is 50, 100 , 1000, or 1 million links available on the internet,all of them are based on IFPI,mediatrafic,Guiness,etc…. that base their claim about global sales on estimation,Not on real and serious count !The ones that use certifications sales from countries biase some numbers and data sales or just exclude some certifications ( from Asian countries except for Japan ) That’s why all their datas sales favor Celine and Madonna .Any of them had ever consider Mariah’s huge sales in all Asian continent !
    Moreover,I don’t trust them because Mediatrafic,IFPI,Guinness,etc…are based on estimations and make huge mistakes in their statements ! They even contradict each other very often ! (read David’s posts, some very old posts,Moff and Lucky Luke posted and you’ll see that some claim Madonna sold 300,200,185,275,290,187,etc…million albums and Celine 175,200,183,220,185 million albums.Lucky Luke try to make readers swallow that only us (lambs) are contradictory in our statements !
    Tane,according to Celine’s All The Way video DVD,Celine’s sales were approximately 120 million worldwide after May 2000,These liars (Moff and Lucky Luke) said 140 – 145 million for Celine in 2000 year,then they talk about “Links”.The number of 145-150 million was claimed for Mariah’s global sales in 2000.Luke,As Lucky Luke claimed “Did Mariah sold 20 million from TEOM ? I ask him the same question about Celine.Did Celine sold 65 million albums from her 2000’s albums ?
    @Neringa : I respect your personal opinion and your admiration towards Celine,but don’t think that just Celine’s fans think like that.Everyone have these thoughts and feelings about their favorite artist.You also said Celine is “Charming and gorgeous “.So,even physical beauty can favor your favorite artist in your eyes,as you see! So I don’t even have the need to talk about Mariah’s !Every artists got charisma ,specially for their fans and the ones that idolize them.For everyone,their favorite artist have more charisma than the artists they doesn’t idolize or simply dislike. Yes,Celine is an example for all of her fans.But Mariah too ! Besides, more people emulate Mariah than Celine,not only on sing style and music,but also in look style !
    What do you mean by “ Who knows the road of the career of Mariah? And how many people know the way Celine went? “ Mariah learned to sing since age of 4 ,under the “management” of her mother who is a professional opera singer.Mariah songwrites and composes since her adolescence.She has her Bac at age 17, then met the one that would become her manager .She marry her manager (Mottola ) at age 23.
    About worldwide popularity,Celine doesn’t have even the half of Mariah’s worldwide popularity ! Mariah influence international artists and wanna be artists everywhere worldwide,even in Europe ! Mariah is much more known worldwide than Celine ! Mariah is more popular in USA,in Asia ( the most populated continent of the planet ),in Oceania and through all the pacific Islands, and in Latin America ( specially in Brazil,the largest country of South American continent ). See ? This continents/Countries represents much more people from the globe, than the places where Celine is more popular ( Europe,Africa and Canada ) !
    Lucky Luke,this is only your opinion that Celine sold 175 million albums in 2004 cause you can’t prove it by her 2000 year sales !
    @Jesuslovesme: Celine is just your number one,now and in the future,nobody cares about it ! Bring facts and arguments ! Just the Las Vegas show can’t prove Celine is better .Celine learned English ? Hahaha! There is so many million persons worldwide who learn English,this is not particular neither an artistical achievement .Besides,Celine comes from Canada,a bilinguage country.French is her native language,and English ( spoken by the largest part of Canadian population )is her second language.So there is nothing particulary for Celine that had learn English ! Even some people from one official language spoken countries learn English language .
    Talk about true musical achievements and assets ! You said “Celine Dion was chosen to sing “Beauty and the Beast” and “My Heart Will Go On”. “My Heart Will Go On” is actually Celine’s demo. That is how good she is at singing”.So what? Which artist won’t be able to sing her own songs in concerts ? Singing her own songs isn’t a special asset or achievement ! You are really a devoted Celine fan,but you can’t argue for her ,cause your argument is childish .Bye bye !

    @ danica5celine
    “Celine is way better than Mariah…” is just your opinion.Mariah is way better than Celine on FACTS ! Let’s try to isolate the question of albums sales for a while .
    Now, since you say Celine is way better than Mariah ,prove Celine’s “ supremacy” on Influence ? Contributions ? Voice ? Singing skills ? Hits ? Singles sales ? Legacy? Mastering of most various musical genres /singing style ? Different musical genre ? Talent ( songwriting,composing,producing,arranging skills ) ? Directing skills ? Various Professsional skills (Modeling,Acting,etc…)? In what Celine is way better than The Voice ??? Everything prove the opposite,Mariah is way better than Celine !
    Celine Dion couldn’t sing any Mariah songs cause her voice is too limited,too nasal ,too dry and sounds too old beside Mariah’s ! At the other hand ,Mariah could sing whatever Celine song,even much better than Celine’s version ! Mariah have a very special voice unlike Celine.Mariah holds vocal record that Celine could only dream of.Don’t forget that Mariah has the greater vocal range ever ! She’s the unique human that can hit the higher note and also the lower (deeper) note ever ! I even don’t talk about her mastering of difficults ,long and hard vocal runs,melismas and belts !
    Mariah is humble as well,she’s just beautiful and sexy. She cares much more of herself and of her physical appeal unlike Celine. But that doesn’t mean she’s not down-to-earth.Celine just neglect herself,that doesn’t mean humility nor that she’s down-to-earth . If Celine is so “down-to-earth” like you say ,why doesn’t she give the half of her fortune as gift to defavorised people? since she didn’t spend it like other superstars ? Don’t confound look with wiseness and goodness ! We can’t judge people ( specially superstars ) just in accordance to their look ! Haters are just jealous about Mariah,that’s why they made bad comments about her.Mariah is a respectable lady ,a very gifted and talented artist ! An exceptional singer .The greatest and the best singer ever ! Lambs are so proud about Mimi !!!
    The Voice stay the best !
    PS : To an indirect petty/slanderous remark of Lucky Luke on my writing style and spelling errors ,I reply openly that English is not my language.Danish then French are my native languages.German is my 3rd language .So it’s normal that my English writing style is lacking.And I have no time to post everyday and many times in a day unlike Lucky luke,that’s why my posts are relatively long.

  292. MOFF says:

    TRISH!
    OF COURSE MARIAH CAREY WAS DCLARED AS THE BEST SELLING FEMALE ARTIST OF THE 90s !!!
    BUT:
    The album sales of MC were clear, unlike Celine’s – whos album sales were counted far after 2000 !!
    During the 90s beginning Mariah has huge albums like MC, Music Box and Daydream until (1995) so actually Soundscan certified these albums, but Celines albums like Falling into you or lets talk about love, All the way … all these albums sales were lower than of today or 2004 when she received the Diamond Award!
    All The Way of course has not sold 22 million in 1999!

    TRISH, you lie!

  293. LuckyLuke says:

    1.You have a big problem since you are unable to

    UNDERSTAND (Not accept) what I am saying.

    MARIAH SOLD MORE IN THE 90s ! SHE DESERVED THE AWARD !

    I Hope My Capital Letters Can help you :)

    2.You write : ”truth are not based on what we can find easily on internet,but on facts”

    O really ? And may I ask you WHERE YOU FIND THOSE

    ”Facts” ? ? ? Cause You used to say you find them

    on magazines WHICH IS PATHETIC !

    3.Number 1s DID NOT SELL DURING THE 00s ! LIE ! Only

    Rainbow did !

    4.I Already gave links on Mariah’s Asian sales.Tane even

    posted links you didn’t open.

    Do you want me to post them again ?

    5.You write : ”overestismate Celine’s and Madonna’s sales in Europe whereas they underestimate Mariah’s sales ! ”

    Any proof for that ?

    6.You write : ” No matter if there is 50, 100 , 1000, or 1 million links available on the internet,all of them are based on IFPI,mediatrafic,Guiness”

    —> THIS IS THE PROOF OF YOUR DENIAL.

    7.BIG LIE —> According to Celine’s video her sales

    till 2000 were at over 125m worldiwde and the dvd

    CLEARLY mentioned that her 2 best sellers had sold

    over 27m copies (still not certified 9P and 10P by IFPI)

    DON’T YOU SHAMED POSTING LIES ABOUT CELINE’S FACTS ?

    Thank You for reminding me this DVD !

    Mariah sold 130m by 2000 and Celine 125m by 2000 while

    her All The Way was still selling numbers (same goes for

    Mariah’s Rainbow)& Sony Bmg released another compilation

    then (Collectors series 3m) & her albums were certified

    in 2003 !!

    *** All The Way was selling till 2001 ! & re-entered

    the charts after Taking Chances was released till My

    Love was released.

    8.I NEVER CLAIMED 145m For Celine Till 2000 ! Another

    LIE !

    9.”Mariah is better on facts” ! lmao ! sorry , but everything proves Mariah sold less , while Celine can

    fill stadiums even in Africa , Asia (Unlike MC) where

    success for white western pop artists is not typical.

    Celine conquered the world and even affected the economy

    of Vegas.& is one of the most influencial voices (yes

    Mariah influenced more bla bla bla) & is the a

    francophone legend being awarded since 1996 for her

    contribution to francophone culture.

    Mariah has been a LOCAL artist since 1999… sorry :-D

    ——-> RESULT from everything you claimed

    —> Dear you have a huge problem because you have a

    biased theory in your mind and you try desperately to

    call partial ANY SOURCE that doesn’t agree with your

    NON-solid theories.

    You claim 170m albums for MC by 2003 , so according to

    you World Music Award and her label lie and her official

    sites lie ! You claim 300m records by 2010 – still no

    proof – so her label obviously lies !

    Lmao … convinient isn’t it ? ? ?

    I could do the same and just claim 500m records for

    Celine and call partial the ONE distinction Mariah have

    for her worldwide sales !!

    An award given to her 11 years ago -.-‘

    —>

    And all these NEW LIES are posted after

    1.You lied about 89 number 1s

    2.You lied about 15m Us dvds

    3.You lied about album sales (6m For G.Hits etc)

    4.You lied about her certifications (Debut 8xP Oceania)

    It is pretty sad to have the nerve

    to call ME liar,since you have been fu**ing up this

    debate.

  294. LuckyLuke says:

    PS -> I NEVER Contradict. I used to mention 200m albums

    for Celine,only under my nicknames when I wanted to

    provoke you.

    My Opinion on Celine’s album sales has been the same.

    175m by 2004…185m+ by 2011.

    You have the nerve to call ME contradictory when

    you claimed for MC

    1.150m albums by 2000 (Her Label Claimed 130m & Her

    Award)

    2.170m albums by 2003 (Her Label Claimed 150m & Her Award

    & Media , Magazines etc)

    3.300m records by 2011 (Her Label announced 200m records +)

    4.You First claimed sales of 140m albums by 2003 for

    Celine and 4 days after changed it to BELOW 130m albums.

    5.You used to say 89 numbers 1s for Mariah (with 0 proof)

    and then you posted 81 number 1s for Mariah.

    6.You said Mariah sold 40m albums in Asia , then 45m

    and then 50m +. (HUGE CONTRADICTIONS FOR A CONTINENT)

    7.You LIED that ALL her 00s albums are MILLION in Japan

    while her best certified album in Japan this decade

    is TEOM that went platinum (200k+) !

    8.You contradict with all Celine’s awards and

    distictions of course , but ok…this is logical.

    ————> BUT

    You will never see me posting lies for certifications

    and calling Mariah’s achievements biased and partial.

    You will never see me insulting Mariah like you did

    towards Celine. (Ugly ,Comedian , Clown , sour and dry

    voice etc)

    Cause I am not a hater. <3

  295. LuckyLuke says:

    Finally…another huge lie was that Mariah’s albums were

    certified in 00s. LIE ! LIE ! LIE ! LIE ! LIE !

    Music Box was certified in late 1997 10xP in Us

    (The Biggest Certification it recieved worldwide)

    Daydream went 10xP during 1998 by RIAA.

    Butterfly 5xP in 1999 and so on…

    Mariah’s sales during 2000 were clear,even at her

    strongest markets Us,Japan.

    Unlike Celine whose albums after ”A L’Olympia”

    were certified in Europe (Her strongest market) in 2003 &

    Her smash selling Us albums were certified in 2001

    (Falling Into You) or even LATER (All The Way for

    instance) & These Are Special Times was certified 5xP in

    2005 !!!

    The ONLY MC Album to be certified in 00s is Merry

    Christmas that went 5xP during 2003 ! It was 4xP

    in 2000 !

    Take Your time please to see I am objective , honest

    and clear in what I claim and be careful not to post

    mistakes or lies again please…mainly on certifications.

    Thank you !

  296. TRISH says:

    First : In the lists of albums sales you and Moff showed for Celine and Mariah in the other debate ,you showed that Celine sales reach over 140 million albums in 2000,and Mariah’s reach barely 130 million ,and now you say that you never imply that Celine sold 140 million albums by 2000 ??! That you always recognize Mc is the best seller artist of the 2000 decade ?!! You contradict with yourself !
    Let’s Talk About Love and Falling Into You were both certified diamond in Us according to the All the Way DVD ! And you said that IFPI had awarded Celine by early 2000’s for her total albums sold in Europe reaching 50 million there ,so that imply LTAL and FIY had both already certified 9 P and 10 P there ( as Celine’s total albums in Europe till 2011 reach 54 or a little bit more ).The 4 million come obviously from her other releases of 2000’s.
    And All the way had already sold 16 million worldwide by 2000 in accordance with the DVD ! So the rest of 3 million selling in the 2000 ( it sales stand at 19 million as 2011 )decade doesn’t mean so much …And Sony had released a compilation for Mariah tooo in 2000 ( Greatest Hits ) that sells in this year.MC is ahead Dion on album sales by a slight difference .This is not just links which could convince us, cause all sales are not back up by certifications.There is places in the world where sales are not certified ,or are not counted well (specially some Asian countries,etc…) . Best selling female artist in 1990’s mean that MC’s total sales in 2000 year surpass necessarily any other female artist’s including Celine Dion.Trish is right one more time ! Celine could surpass Mariah’s albums in 2000 year only if Mariah’s stopped to sell suddenly from 1999.It would be impossible ! …<<<<<<<< ! Any link can’t explicit it by coherent facts …LMAO !any institution ( IFPI, Mediatrafic,Billboard,etc…) never really consider Mariah’s sales in whole Asia continent.Some of them just consider a few Asian countries ( 4 or 5 Asian countries,not more ).That’s why every links,and datas lists always show mainly sales in only Japan !

  297. TRISH says:

    And there was not just 5 million difference between Mc’s album sales and Celine’s in 2000,the difference would be much more !About the remarks as put for Celine’s voice ( sour,dry,etc…),they are not insults,they are truth cause her voice really sound like this when it is compared to Mariah’s.I just reveal them as you try to equal her voice to MC’s on quality and ability .

  298. LuckyLuke says:

    Oh God !

    Please,THINK before you write.

    01.The lists we posted showed sales of 140m+ if you

    count the 23m of All The Way in 90s,which is a dumb

    thing to do because I have been REPEATING than neither

    Rainbow nor All The Way were counted by 2000,when MC got

    her award.So there is no way Celine sold 140m DURING the

    90s ! I don’t contradict,you just take things the wrong

    way.

    02.I Have been saying the truth : Falling Into You and

    Let’s Talk About Love were certified in Europe in early

    2003 , with albums D’Eux , A L’olympia etc.

    Falling Into You got 11xP by RIAA in 2001 ! So the Dvd

    mentions clearly its Us certification because it was

    released in 2001.

    03.Greatest Hits was released in 2001 , after Glitter ,

    not in 2000.How many time should I tell you to be

    careful in what you post ?

    & All The Way hasn’t sold 19m copies,this is according to

    your MIND !

    04.Sales are counted in Asia. You just ignore them.

    05.You claim Mediatraffic doesn’t count Mariah’s Asian

    sales.Then How come Music Box stands at number 34 of the

    worldwide best sellers ? If Mediatraffic hadn’t counted

    its Asian sales it would be placed at number 90 the very

    most with albums that sold around 20m copies !!

    But still…it is put beside albums of 28m sales and

    more !

    Maybe you want to imply that Music Box sold 45m ,right ?

    Your argument about Mediatraffic being biased & not

    knowing Mariah’s sales is an epic fail.

    06.I dared to equal Mariah’s voice to Celine’s ? :O

    I should be ashamed ! lol !

    Maybe this is because I am a fan of both Mariah and

    Celine and I happen to know their pros and cons.

    And if you think of it,the only point were we disagreed

    is at beltings,so no big deal.

    What I can’t stand is watching lies about their skills

    such as what you claimed about Mariah being the artist

    that goes higher than anyone. This is so mistaken ,

    cause there are women with wider vocal range

    & stronger whistle notes. You also had the nerve

    to claim that Mariah goes lower than anyone,when

    Even at her prime time Mariah found it hard to sing low

    notes live WITHOUT mixing it with whispers and breathy

    vocals.And I can tell you , there’s nothing easier than

    using a breathy voice.

    Now WATCH OUT -> I don’t mention these things on Mariah’s

    voice because of our debate. I just don’t like it when

    people overexagerate like that.

    07.Mariah sold 130m by 2000 (Rainbow not Included) and

    got her Millennium Award. This is according to her label ,

    World Music Awards , media and so on.

    If you don’t believe them there is no point at all

    talking about other awards.

    08.I REPEAT, I HATE watching lies in this debate

    so be careful on what you post because you already

    posted lies / mistakes about 89 number 1s (changed to

    81 number 1s) about 15m Us dvds, about respective album

    sales (6m For G.Hits etc) or even about some

    certifications (Debut 8xP Oceania) , about Mariah’s

    albums being certified in the 00s , about Mariah’s 00s

    albums being all Million in Japan & you First claimed

    sales of 140m albums by 2003 for Celine and 4 days after

    changed it to BELOW 130m albums.

    SO BE CAREFUL PLEASE !!!

    & Mariah’s didn’t get 1 billion thanks to her legs like

    you implied. That was a body insurance and is totally

    irrelevant to income.

  299. LuckyLuke says:

    Actually All The Way,A L’olympia and Live A Paris were

    certified 5xP,1xP,2xP respectively in January/

    February 2004.

    ifpi.com/content/section_news/plat2004.html

    & A New Day Has Come went 3xP In November 2003.

    ifpi.org/content/section_news/plat_month_20031209.html

  300. tane says:

    luke actually Mariah did get an insurance deal on her legs according to venus at 1 billion dollars! NOT HER BODY JUST HER LEGS!

  301. arnold says:

    TO ALL MARIAH CAREY FANS OUT THERE” MARIAH IS AN AMERICAN THAT’S WHY SHE IS FLUENT IN ENGLISH, AND FOR THAT SHE CAN WRITE SONGS WHILE CELINE DION CANNOT UNDERSTAND ENGLISH LANGUAGE BECAUSE SHE WAS BORN IN A FRENCH BLOOD WITH A MIX OF CANADIAN BLOOD,CELINE ONLY KNOWS ENGLISH LANGUAGE WHEN SHE STARTED HER CAREER IN U.S FOR HER TO BE ABLE TO RECORD HER ENGLISH ALBUM. I DON’T THINK CELINE CANNOT WRITE HER OWN SONGS. THE THING IS CELINE IS NOT AMERICANS CITIZEN SO SHE DID NOT UNDERSTAND ENGLISH LANGUAGE…
    IN CONCLUSION, FOR ME CELINE DION IS THE BEST SINGER THAN MARIAH CAREY!!!

  302. The Reason says:

    @ Tane

    Yes, I know. A Body Insurance for her legs. TRISH said

    she made 1b because of her legs and this is totally

    different to body insurance.

    So she manipulated facts once again because of her

    ignorance or tedency to lie.

  303. JessicaXJ3 says:

    Mariah best seller??? Ahahahahahaha
    Really? Who lied to you? MC fan base? AhahahA There is a huge difference between albums and records. Yes, Mariah sold over 200 mil RECORDS BUT IN THIS CASE CELINE SOLD OVER 240 MIL RECORDS
    Mariah is HALF POPULAR worldwide compared to CELINE.
    First,? she had only one successful album since 2000 (The Emancipation of Mimi0). I heard this album on Internet – 2-3 decent tracks, others – crap. Second, her mini-tours were cancelled cause they didn’t sell out – nothing compared to megasuccessful touring Diva Cel. Third, her interviews are flop. She is so dumb, sounds like kid compared to the supersmart/graceful/intelligen­t diva. Fourth, her Glitter is the worst movie of all time. Fifth, her voice is strained and deteriorating.
    Sixth, her songs are same old crap since 1990,
    same bland topics.Her Memoirs is the biggest flop – full of bad songs and immature lyrics
    ”might see me at a poster
    might see me at a show
    but you wont see me 4 free
    boy this ain’t no promo”
    I can go on and on and on about MC flops

  304. TRISH says:

    Arnold,your a poor delusional Celine fan.Celine wrote nothing in french language,nothing in English after 21 years of international carrer.She never compose, write,produce,arrange any song ! Celine is so far to be a good singer like The Voice ! Mimi owns 5 octaves of vocal range.No one can beat the woman that sang The Wind, Emotions, If It’s Over,Fly Like A Bird, We Belong Together, You’re So Cold, Fourth Of July,Bliss ! Even Whitney Houston can’t.Celine isn’t worth to take it beside The Voice,sorry.There are an endless list of better vocalists than Celine.Celine can’t even beat Beyonce, Toni Braxton,Aretha,Leona,Mary J on vocal ability.Your idol can scream,but that’s all. She’s light years beyond giants vocalist as such WHITNEY HOUSTON AND MARIAH CAREY ! Mimi doesn’t need her fans to talk about her singing talent and her UNIQUE voice ! Her songs talk by themselves ! Mimi is the best singer of all times !
    Jessica,what can you prove else for Celine after her concerts ? Celine is relevant just to make people laugh on stage,nothing else dear honey ! The voice is relevant for an endless assets ! Moff, is this all that you can bring as debater ? Just repeating in each posts “ Trish is a liar ,She should trust Shut Up and Lucky Luke’s lists and claims ! “.Is this all that you can do ? Do you think that I am as stupid and delusional as you ? You are completely rubbish . GET OUT OF HERE MOFF !
    Lucky Luke,I am clear ,Mariah is better than Celine on facts ! Sorry , but everything proves it .You can’t deny it just because Celine beat Mariah only on tours & Tickets concert sales.Celine hadn’t number 1 Hit the whole 2000 decade even in Eurochart ! No Grammy Award , neither other international awards!
    Mariah slays Celine on Hits, Singles sales, Voice,Influence on other artists, Incomes, Contribution ,Legacy,Diversity of musical genres , musical versatility, Composing, Writing, Producing,Arranging,Directing skills, worldwide popularity,acting, modeling,ect… Just concerts can’t make Celine equals with Mariah .
    CELINE DION IS GREAT BUT MARIAH CAREY IS BETTER !!!! No one can’t deny it by facts !
    .
    Like I said, any institution ( IFPI, Mediatrafic,Billboard,etc…) never really consider Mariah’s sales in whole Asia continent.Some of them just consider a few Asian countries ( 4 or 5 Asian countries,not more ).That’s why every links,and datas lists always show mainly her sales in Japan !

    Mariah’s albums are undercertified in Europe, cause it’s impossible that almost all of them stand at just 1 million sales there after so many years.By the way,Lucky Luke didn’t really proved TCOML outsold MC album…Mariah Carey album sold most than just 200.000 in Oceania continent. It sold better in Asia than TCOML …also in Latin America.
    He accuse me to post comments just to lie and provoke,I could say the same about him !
    He is wrong cause I debate and argue just like he and his supporters do. I defend Mariah like they did for Dion and Madonna!
    Well, Lucky Luke ,you said that you know how many albums Mariah and Celine have sold in Asia.Why didn’t you give them since the time we discussed about Sales certifications when you showed RIAA’s and IFPI’s ? I guess that your sources are based on partial estimations cause there is any official institution that really count music sales in Asia.Otherwise,can you tell us which institution certify sales in Asia ? In how many Asian countries this institution count sales ? in 5 or 7 Asian countries ?
    .

    TRISH
    MARIAH =BEST SELLING ACT OF 1990’S !
    All The Way Album already got all its US certifications at the end of 2000 year and its worldwide sales was already at 16 million by half 2000.Falling Into You and Let’s Talk About Love were already certified Diamond in US and sold 27 million worldwide each.So, Celine’s best seller albums were already stabilized at the 2000 year,etc… when Mariah was claimed best selling female artist at 1990’s,her sales were ahead Celine’s although the sales of Celine’s 1990’s albums were already stabilized relatively as well as Mariah’s .
    It’s impossible for Celine to sell 175 million albums in 2004 ! Where these 55 million albums sold come from in just 4 years ? just try to answer to this with objectivity !
    And let’s don’t forget that many Mariah’s albums were not completely certified at the time Mariah was honored by WMA in 2003! Albums like Rainbow,Glitter,Charmbracelet,The Remixes,Greatest Hits hadn’t receive yet all the certifications sales per countries they got today ,specially cause their sales were slow as they sold bad relatively .when Mariah won the Chopard in 2003. So saying till now that her sales were exactly 150 million by 2003 is a pure ignorance.

    TRISH
    @ Moff/Lucky Luke:
    You always said “ Trish,no links,no proofs “.However,on what you based you when you said Celine sold 140 million albums by 2000 year and Carey just 120 million ? On which source ? Which source could claim Celine sales surpassed Mariah’s in 2000 ?
    Lucky Luke said: “Unlike Celine whose albums after ”A L’Olympia”
    were certified in Europe (Her strongest market) in 2003 &
    Her smash selling Us albums were certified in 2001
    (Falling Into You) or even LATER (All The Way for
    instance) & These Are Special Times was certified 5xP in
    2005 !!!
    The ONLY MC Album to be certified in 00s is Merry
    Christmas that went 5xP during 2003 ! It was 4xP
    in 2000 !
    Take Your time please to see I am objective , honest
    and clear in what I claim and be careful not to post
    mistakes or lies again please…mainly on certifications.Thank you ! ”
    LUCKY LUKE JUST LIE !!!
    1- Lie : All Celine’s albums certifications were clear in 2000 year,not just Mariah’s ! The All The Way DVD show all Celine’s US certifications.Only These Are Special Times didn’t get it 5th platinum certification in US,exactly like Mariah’s Merry Christmas album.All Celine’s albums were already certified in US and in Europe ! That’s why Sony claimed 27 million units sold by Falling Into You and Let’s Talk About Love worldwide ! Even All The Way sales was clear !!!!!!!! Its sold 16 million after May 2000 ! ( Today,All The Way reach 19 million worldwide ).

    2- LIE: About Daydream , The Mariah Around The World DVD (1998) and also her Number one’s Dvd (1999 ) said both that Daydream was 8x Platinum in US.And its worldwide sales were not clear cause the Dvd didn’t mention it.

    3- LIE : Butterfly was 4 x platinum in 1999-2000 year.Number 1’s Dvd ( 1999-2000 ) claim Butterfly is quadruple Platinum in US.Following up the release of Rainbow ( by late 1999),every promotions about this album claimed “ After her US quadruple Platinum album Butterfly,Carey release a new album “ Rainbow”etc…”

    PS: According to the Dvd Mariah Around The World,Music Box worldwide sales was over 24 million in 1998 and Daydream ,Butterfly and Number 1 ‘S worldwide sales were unknown till late 1999 According to Mariah Number 1’S DVD ! About Celine albums, FIY and LTAL were at 27 million in 2000 year according to Sony. So,you LIE when you said that all Mariah’s sales were clear in 2000 year unlike Celine’s .
    In late 2000 year ,Mariah Carey Greatest Hits album was released ( 5 million units worldwide ). ( Celine’s The Collector Serie doesn’t sold 3 million worldwide,but 2 million the most ) !

    In facts,Celine’s albums never surpassed Mariah’s as you try to claim ! Both artists continued to sell their respective 1990’s albums in the 2000 decade! Not just Celine’s albums continued to sell ! Mariah is still ahead of Celine .

  305. TRISH says:

    Lucky Luke: You are not more than a PETTY COWARD ! Don’t distort my claims ! I never said Mariah earned 1 billion dollars for her legs ! I’m not stupid like you.I said she signed an insurance for her legs, worthing 1 billion dollars ( that doesn’t mean she earn 1 billion dollars ).That’s mean Mariah’s fortune is about billion dollars,otherwise there would be no question of billion $ ! Could you take an insurance for which the risk represents 1 billion dollars or 1 million dollars ? Only richissim people that already have the equivalent can take a such insurance.

    The Voice is richer than Celine !

  306. LuckyLuke says:

    I Laugh so hard because you reply to anyone , but none of

    them seems to care to answer back to you. This is so

    embarassing.

    1.”Mariah is better than Celine on facts ! Sorry , but everything proves it .You can’t deny it just because Celine beat Mariah only on tours & Tickets concert sales.Celine hadn’t number 1 Hit the whole 2000 decade even in Eurochart ! No Grammy Award , neither other international awards!”

    No dear, I deny it because Celine sold more records

    as well & recieved way more international awards

    than Mariah. Even some of her local awards,were

    about her career achievements so far.

    2.”Mariah slays Celine on Hits, Singles sales, Voice,Influence on other artists, Incomes, Contribution ,Legacy,Diversity of musical genres , musical versatility, Composing,Writing,Producing,Arranging,Directing skills, worldwide popularity,acting, modeling,ect… Just concerts can’t make Celine equals with Mariah.”

    Only in Writing and Modeling because of her skills.

    Composing , Producing and Arranging yes , but because

    Celine doesn’t care. No comment on acting. xD

    3.”Like I said, any institution ( IFPI, Mediatrafic,Billboard,etc…) never really consider Mariah’s sales in whole Asia continent.Some of them just consider a few Asian countries ( 4 or 5 Asian countries,not more ).That’s why every links,and datas lists always show mainly her sales in Japan !”

    So you came back to repeat theories ? As I told you

    if Mediatraffic didn’t count Mariah Asian sales

    they would put her albums next to albums that sold

    sth more than 20m copies. BUT IN Reality they count

    her Asian and put her high selle albums next to albums

    that sold 30m copies. LOGIC THOUGHT AGAIN MAKES YOUR

    ARGUMENTS FAIL !

    4.”you said that you know how many albums Mariah and Celine have sold in Asia.Why didn’t you give them since the time we discussed about Sales certifications when you showed RIAA’s and IFPI’s ? I guess that your sources are based on partial estimations cause there is any official institution that really count music sales in Asia.Otherwise,can you tell us which institution certify sales in Asia ? In how many Asian countries this institution count sales ? in 5 or 7 Asian countries ?”

    I also said I posted a link before but I guess you

    didn’t mind searching -.-‘

    mariahjournal.com/infozone/index.shtml

    For more info you can see the link Tane posted.

    5.All The Way recieved its last certification in 2004

    just before Celine’s award. FIRST LIE.

    Falling Into You was finally certified in Us in 2001 !

    SECOND LIE.

    Mariah’s 2000’ albums were certified just after their

    releases because they sold really low and never charted

    again. THIRD LIE

    For instance, Glitter was certified platinum by the RIAA

    in October 2001.

    6.”However,on what you based you when you said Celine sold 140 million albums by 2000 year and Carey just 120 million ? On which source ? ”

    I Think you can’t read. I said it all on my previous

    post. But I repeat once more. The lists we posted showed

    sales of 145m+ IF you count the 23m of All The Way in

    90s,which is a dumb thing to do because I have been

    REPEATING than neither Rainbow nor All The Way were

    counted by 2000,when MC got her award.So there is no way

    Celine sold 145m DURING the 90s !

    7.YOU LIE SAYING CELINE HAD ALL HER CERTIFICATIONS

    BY 2001 IN EUROPE ! HER DVD NEVER SHOWED THAT !

    8.You lie , Daydream was certified in 1998 and I showed

    you the link. Sorry, but the certification dates CAN’T

    BE CHANGED by what is stated on Dvds. Dvds are not

    created to share info.

    riaa.com/goldandplatinumdata.php?resultpage=1&table=SEARCH_RESULTS&action=&title=Daydream&artist=&format=ALBUM&debutLP=&category=&sex=&releaseDate=&requestNo=&type=&level=&label=Columbia&company=&certificationDate=&awardDescription=&catalogNo=&aSex=&rec_id=&charField=&gold=&platinum=&multiPlat=&level2=&certDate=&album=&id=&after=on&before=on&startMonth=1&endMonth=4&startYear=1986&endYear=2009&sort=Artist&perPage=25

    9.I laugh so hard because you asked which sources

    claim that Celine sold more than Mariah in 2000 !

    Ok ! This is EMBARASSING to ask since there are sources

    that claim Celine sold more not just in 2000 but

    definitely by 2011 !

    1.World Music Awards

    2.IFPI / RIAA Certifications

    3.Columbia Records

    4.Respective Sites

    5.Even Dvds (You like to mention them so I use them)

    6.Wikipedia (LOL)

    8.Mediatraffic

    9.Billboard as of 2010

    10.Media (All Tv Hosts)

    11.Magazines (LA Times,Forbes,Hello,People)

    But you have called all these biased in the past many

    times. I just replied to your question.

    Uhmm…and I just can’t help by wonder…

    What sources claim Mariah sold more than Celine exept for

    her award 11 years ago ? :-O

    (Rhetorical question)

    Bye Bye

  307. JessicaXJ3 says:

    Ahaahaha !! Really? Who lied to you? If Celine makes millions from concerts by making people laugh,in that case Mariah can’t even do that with her strained little voice.Nobody cares,Flop.Second Mariah is good to sing next to NickiMinaj or be a back singer to beyonce.Third,Celine sold way more records and has the voice to fill stadiums and sell her music.Fourth,Mariah is ATTENTION WHORE.
    ”Touch my body, throw me on the bed
    I just wanna make you feel like you never did
    Touch my body, let me wrap my thighs
    All around your waist, just a little taste
    Touch my body, know you like my curves
    C’mon and give me what I deserve”

    Thats how she makes money :
    i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/04/06/article-0-0B81116300000578-786_634x835.jpg

    i55.twitgoo.com/35bifxk.jpg

    what a shame , don’t mess trash to classy sweet lady
    Celine

  308. LuckyLuke says:

    @ Jessica

    You overexagerate a lot ! Mariah is talented and she

    proved herself in sales many times in the past.

    She has many proffesional assets , is a vocal legend

    and record seter.

    DON’T insult her because TRISH comes back here then and

    insults Celine. Peace everyone..!

    Mariah is not a whore and Celine is not a screamer.

  309. tane says:

    @jessicaXJ3 oh please get over your self, if you think Mariahs voice is so strained then why is her vocal range nearly twice as big as Celine Dions?1?

    and you think Mariah sold over 200 million records?, she sold over 250 million records dear, with nearly 70 million singles and 175 million albums worldwide, so before you come on this site and post your puny pathetic little lies please consder your sources again!

    lukyluke I don’t want to get into another argument with you, you prove your sources which are undernyingly right most of them:)

    and Jessica its funny how you think touch my body is a trash song when it hit #1 on the billboard cahrts! and whore! really? Mariah has never been a whore in her life, let me dfine whore for you sweety!

    a whore is a woman who engages in promiscuous sexual intercourse, usually for money; prostitute; harlot; strumpet. that’s what a whore is! you are so immature!

    oth are great its just a hard decision and nearly impossible to see who’s at the top! but for me its MC!!

  310. tane says:

    this link shows Celine Dion’s album sales which are under 180 million! celinedioncharts.com/byalbum.htm

    this link is trusthworthy! please check it

  311. LuckyLuke says:

    @ tane

    I know this link many months ago. Thanks for bringing it

    here..! It is really detailed. (Moff posted it before)

    It is correct in singles,dvds,tours and soundtracks

    and other projects but it messes up in album sales

    since it has many mistakes.For example it says D’eux

    is 5xPlatinum in Europe , while it is 8xPlatinum.

    So 3m of Celine’s total album sales are deleted by that

    mistake alone.Still this link shows sales of 175m albums

    and if you correct the few mistakes it has (& Live A

    Paris certification and a few more) you see Celine sold

    just 185m albums like I said. & 50m singles & 5m+ DVDs

    :-D

    At Least you know I don’t lie :) THAT’S A RELIEF !!!

    Again,Thanx For bringing it up…

    I can’t describe how much I like talking to calm

    , polite people like you :))

    If you can ,please post again this link from Mariah’s

    biggest site ,in which all her sales are counted

    exactly,even in Asia.

    Thanx in advance !!

  312. tane says:

    thx lukylukee:) celines sold over 240 million records worldwide… now that’s cleared and I believe the sales I’m relieved as well:)

  313. tane says:

    ths is Mariah Careys Asian market sales…
    she has sold over 35 million albums in asia where almost 20 million or so was sold in japan!
    heres a link: ukmix.org › Forums Mariah Carey

  314. LuckyLuke says:

    @ tane

    Thanx ! This is what I have been saying for MONTHS.

    Mariah sold 40m in Asia being the best seller there by

    far.

    & 28m in Europe & 4m Oceania & 5m Canada & 68m Us

    —> 145m & Sales from Africa (about 4m ? ) & S.America

    (10m+)

    —> 165m+ albums just like Columbia Records Had

    announced by 2003. They said 150m by then. (It is also

    mentioned in our links clearly)

    & 11 From TEOM & 2.5m E=MC2 & 500K Ballads & 1m Memoirs

    & 600k from MC2U !

    It is so impressive because Mariah only released 19

    English projects & all this by doing no tours ! She

    is such a legend , such a hit-maker..!

    Her Japanese actual sales stand at 18m by now ,

    17m according to her 85 Platinum certifications.

    (Platinum in Japan = 200k)

    I posted it at the other debate.

    Thanx again :))

  315. LuckyLuke says:

    @ TRISH

    (I have to reply to a few things more)

    I just read these :

    ”Celine can’t even beat Beyonce,Toni Braxton,Aretha,
    Leona,Mary J on vocal ability.

    —————————————->

    LOL,why ? Because she is a White Woman ?

    To start with, Celine has wider vocal range than

    All these singers, exept for Aretha that sings 3 notes

    lower than Celine.

    Second, none of them even sustained long notes LIVE the

    way Celine has done.(Exept For Aretha)

    Name me if you can one F5 note sustained LIVE for 11

    seconds like Celine’s ”All By Myself”.

    Third, none of them has overused their voices the

    way Celine has done with endless touring and many albums.

    (Don’t forget vocals are muscles and they should be

    protected and not being overused.)

    Fourth, none of them possess Celine’s volume.

    Fifth, none of them,exept for Beyonce,has ever managed

    to dance and sing at the same time.(And Celine did it

    After she was 35 years old)

    Sixth, all these singers suprass Celine in vocal runs

    and melismatic singing because it is used in rnb/soul

    music frequently,while Celine who sings more pop or

    rock or blues etc has more simple melismas and vocal

    runs and she never focused on this style of singing.

    Seventh, as of 2011,none of them has the breath control

    Celine has (Aretha due to age,Whitney due to drugs etc)

    both at low and high notes.

    To prove my statement I suggest you seeing Celine’s live

    in Oprah 2011 (Lullabye,Goodnight My Angel) for Low

    notes and her ”Open Arms” version for breath control

    in higher notes.(I am not comparing her version to

    Mariah’s-I am just suggesting the video to see Celine’s

    breath control)

    Eighth, Celine is not a screamer and as of her nasality,

    I can say it was a problem at her early years due to

    pronunciation issues (she learned English then) & between

    2004-2006 and in 2008 due to her exhausting schedule.

    Facts.

    & ”Celine isn’t worth to take it beside Mariah”

    ————————————–>

    If Celine isn’t worth to take it beside Mariah

    then there is no point for you to be here.

    And of course there is no point comparing Celine to

    ALL The female singers just to…make a point ! You

    did again in the past when you compared her to

    Britney and Aguilera.Enough of this.

    Especially when you have 0 knowledge on music pedagogy

    and all you know to do when you talk about vocal skills

    is puting nice adjectives next to your favorites

    (beautiful,graceful,skilled) and mean words next to

    Celine (nasal,screamer,handicap,dry,sour).

    WITH ALL THESE BEING SAID…..

    On sales you can believe whatever you like on Celine

    – actually I have nothing more to add –

    but you still need to show us your references on Mariah’s

    300m records. You avoid it the past 7 months.

    &

    Think twice before you delete sources from Celine’s

    income again (you mentioned only tours and albums) ! –

    ANY REAL Celine fan knows Celine has income from her

    perfumes as well,Soundtracks (50m+) , Singles (50m+) ,

    Special Concerts , Contracts (Crhysler / Vegas) ,Chain

    of Restaurants , Dvds and so on.

    Moreover,LEARN arranging skills = producing skills. They

    are not 2 different things -.-‘ ! And Celine always

    takes part and has an opinion to the result of each song.

    She just doesn’t take credit for that in the Album

    lines,cause she is humble. For instance ,she recorded

    the ”Falling Into You” song and didn’t like the

    arrangment so she changed it. According to her Biography

    ”Celine:For Keeps” this marked a step of her

    emancipation as an artist.

    Finally,to be exact ,after doing the ”Unison”

    album Celine involved herself in the production of all

    her subsequent releases.

    & Celine wrote a few songs in her career and composed

    a few other ones. She comes from a music family and is

    actually capable of being a REAL composer as 1.she has

    music knowledge , 2.Knows how to play the piano and

    guitar.No wonder why the ”Entre Deux Monde” song is

    so artistically perfect.

    All these is the answer to ”Celine wrote nothing in french language,nothing in English after 21 years of international carrer.She never compose, write,produce,arrange any song ! ”

    These mean and biased comments against Celine,will ever

    change the facts of her skills.

    After all these mistakes in Celine’s sales, income

    sources , skills & the bad adjectives you use in

    everything lets me know that you are a Celine hater.

    This is why you are unable of having a CONVERSATION and

    NOT a debate ! This is why you are unable to write posts

    giving sources ! This is why you are unable to write

    posts without insulting everyone here & Celine ! This is

    why you call Mariah ”The Voice” to show how fanatic

    you are and then accuse other people of being fanatics !

    This is why you called Celine ugly , comedian , clown !

    You went too far with this debate.

  316. LuckyLuke says:

    I won’t have internet the following days or weeks so I

    won’t reply any time soon,probably never again. Bye bye.

  317. The Reason says:

    Hey everyone. Sorry if I was harsh to a few people here

    the past months. I am leaving this debate now. If anyone

    wants to contact with me about Celine & Mariah or sales

    or music in general can follow this link to my you tube

    account.

    youtube.com/user/Luxiusta07?feature=mhum

    Bye Bye and Take Care Everyone :)

  318. TRISH says:

    Yes,Lucky Luke can laugh hard at his allies , as they can’t answer back to my solid arguments.Sincerely,except for Celine’s concerts, I don’t see what her delusional fans could talk about to show her supremacy ! Indeed it’s really laughable !
    Well,I repeat once again that The Voice is way better than Celine on facts ! You hopelessly try to claim Celine sold more records than Mariah cause this would be the ONLY true thing in which she could beat Mimi.But Sorry ,The Voice slays Celine on records sales !
    They said “Celine receive way more international awards than Mariah”.You fail ,cause Mariah receive WAY more international Awards than Dion. Let’s see:
    Both already won
    -The Chopard Diamond Award
    -The Legend Award
    -Mariah won over Celine, THE MILLENNIUM AWARD ( Best Selling Female Artist Of The Last Millennium )!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    – Billboard Award for being the Most Popular Artist Of 1990’s .
    -Guinness World Records ( Largest Vocal Range Ever ).
    – 17 World Music Award ( Most than any artist ever ).
    -MTV Award for the best Voice ever
    And others…..
    Mariah wins on international Awards !
    Influence? Mariah kills Celine !
    Worldwide Popularity ? Mariah slays Celine ! We know that .
    Legacy? Mimi make Dion K.O !
    Voice ? The Voice slaaaaaaaaaays Celine !
    Talent ? Carey is the best,she kills Celine !
    Writing,Composing,Producing,Arranging,etc…? Carey kills Dion !
    Hits ? Mariah slays Celine !
    Singles Sales : The Voice kills Celine !
    Albums sales ? Mimi beat Celine !
    Incomes ? Carey slays Dion !
    Popularity ? The Voice beat Celine hands down ! Mariah is more popular in USA,Asia,Latin America,Oceania.Celine is more popular just in Europe and in Canada.They are both equal on popularity in Africa. So clearly,Mariah is light years ahead Celine on worldwide popularity !!!!!

  319. TRISH says:

    Celine is far to accomplish as much as Mariah ! Mariah is way better than Dion ! Celine can’t write songs,nor compose neither produce because she dropped even her junior high school and doesn’t have enough knowledge to be able to do it !She have not enough musical knowledge as Mariah. She beat Mariah in concerts because The Voice doesn’t care !
    – At her Baby Shower,Mariah received the “ Always Be My Babies” card and wishes sent by fans from more than 50 different countries !
    -Mariah’s fans from US, South Africa,Singapor,Brazil,etc… made party about Mariah’s anniversary day !
    -Currently, Mariah wins the FUSE poll “ Battle of the Fans” polldown ,who asked which Pop diva has the best fans ! Mimi won with 12,4 million votes ! Mariah was in competition with many young mainstream female artists that own the music industry nowadays like Lady Gaga,Christina Aguilera,etc… Where are Celine and Madonna ?
    No doubt, MIMi is the most popular female artist on this planet .
    Mariah’s perfume Lollipop Bling is nominated for Fifi Award ! Any Celine perfume hadn’t nominated !
    The Voice makes the Billboard list of “ 10 Best BillBoard Awards Performances” The 10 of the show’s most memorable performances.She’s second behind Britney Spears with her amazing live performance of “ I Still Believe” in 1999.
    All I Want For Christmas Is You is named by Rolling Stones as one of the greatest Rock Christmas songs of all times !
    Currently Mariah is very mediatized worldwide and she features the cover of many magazines,including UK’s, France, US,etc… .She was photographed many times since the debut of her pregnancy till its last days .Celine ? Hahaha! I don’t remind I had seen a picture of Celine while she was pregnant,neither of her pregnant belly !

  320. TRISH says:

    At the Billboard list of songwriters with the most Hot 100 # 1s,Mimi tops the list for female songwriters with 17 # 1s,and no other female is even remotely close ! And she’s third only after male songwriters Paul Mc Cartney and John Lennon ! Songwriter Diane Warren is at a distant 2nd female with 9 # 1’s.Only Paul MacCartney and John Lennon are ahead of Carey !
    Mariah Carey is ranked by Billboard the Top female producer with the most Hot 100 # 1’s ! She’s ranked fourth behind 3 male producers.Even Paul Mac Cartney , John Lennon , and the famous David Foster ,Walter Affanasief,Diane Warren doesn’t make the Top 10 list !
    About Mariah’s Asian sales, Mariah sold over 50 million albums in Asian continent . If Mariah sold 18 million albums in Japan,Celine sold 8 million albums in Canada the most ! Lucky Luke is a liar,he dare say Celine sold 15 million albums in Canada with just 7 albums selling barely 1 million each there, while he claim Mariah sells 18 million albums in Japan while she have over 13 albums selling 1 million and,in which 4 of them are multi-multimillion sellers there ! And he dare imply MC total sales in Japan surpass Celine’s in Canada with just 3 million ? He’s rabid!!!! Mariah sold more than 25 million albums in Japan alone.
    ALL CELINE’S CERTIFICATIONS WERE CLEAR SINCE THE ALL THE WAY DVD CLAIM 27 MILLION SOLD BY FALLING INTO YOU AND LET’S TALK ABOUT LOVE BY MAY 2000! THESE BOTH ALBUMS ALREADY HAD CERTIFIED DIAMOND IN US LIAAAAAR !!! MUSIC BOX WAS ABOUT THIS SAME NUMBER ( 27 MILLION IN 2000 YEAR ) SO,NOT JUST MARIAH’S ALBUMS SALES WAS CLEAR ! THE LINKS HE SHOWED JUST LIE CAUSE ANY OF THEM CAN SHOW HOW CELINE SALES COULD SURPASS MARIAH’S AFTER 2000 YEAR.
    If Celine would sell 140 million albums in 2000,Mariah would sell 160 million by 2000 ,the less.MC is the best selling artist of the 1990 decade. She surpass Celine’s album sales since always. MARIAH CAREY SOLD MORE ALBUMS WORLDWIDE THAN CELINE DION .

  321. TRISH says:

    @JessicaXJ3 : Yes, Celine just make people laugh on stage,and amuse them in her concerts,nothing else.Celine is successful on stage thanks to her pull faces and her comedic attitude,not because of her voice.Mariah sings her songs that she create herself and that nobody else can sing.At least all the merits of her songs goes to her ,unlike Celine’s.The Voice sings with her incredible and unreachable voice a way that only her can do ! Her singles climbs Charts and people around the world buy them.Other artists take inspiration from Mariah’s songs and her singing style unlike Celine ! Mimi’s voice is a model of perfection for everyone,every artists,every vocalists around world.
    Mariah has continuously raised the bar and set the standard of excellence within the music industry worldwide,specially on vocal performances.
    There is nothing easier than singing nasally ! Even children can hold one nose and give voice to sound like this ! Don’t be delusional dear,Celine needed to boost her voice on singing with famous vocalists as Barbra,Bocelli,Pavarotti,Sinatra,etc… The Voice never need other vocalist to popularize her own voice ! She’s able to make her proofs by her own ! She even helps non-popular young artists to boost their career so that they can grow up artistically and get huge.At the other hand,Celine use the popularity of old reputed and respected vocalists artists to back up herself and boost her own career ! Bif difference ! But Mariah already sang with some of the greatest vocalists of this world as such Whitney Houston,Luther Vandross,Luciano Pavarotti,Boyz II Men,etc… The Voice is relevant for every musical genres unlike Celine,that’s why she’s able to sing with Hip Hop artists as well as Pop Vocalists and Soul/R&B vocalists ! She sing with Soul/R&B vocalists,Pop vocalists,etc…

  322. TRISH says:

    Everyone who compare the same songs that both Celine and Mariah already sang agree by the obvious fact in which Mariah’s versions slays Celine’s by far ! Let’s see:
    – O Holy Night
    – The Star Spangler Banner
    – Open Arms
    – O Come All Ye Faithfull
    All Mariah’s versions are better ! They are all better vocal performances and are also much more challenging !
    Mariah wins by a huge difference.About Nicki Minaj ,she can’t sing a Celine’s song in the same way Celine couldn’t sing a Nicki’s song ! So,they are equal ! Only Mariah is above all of them as Mariah could sing songs from both.
    About Beyonce,just compare her rendition of the National anthem with Celine’s, and you’ll see her voice is better than Celine’s !She outsang Celine hand down in that song ! Also listen Beyonce’s “Halo” ! Actually,Celine can only dream on singing this song ! !!
    Celine can give loud belts,but it’s not enough to reach the Vocal level of MARIAH CAREY and WHITNEY HOUSTON !
    Mariah outsold Celine on Albums and Singles worldwide ! Just Las Vegas concerts and tours can’t make Celine better ! There is so much other things that make artists huge ! Since when Celine had a number 1 Hit on Billboard ? Eurochart ? United World Chart ? Since when your Idol had a million seller single ? Since when your idol won a Grammy Award ? A relevant major awards or citation ?
    About voice,what vocal record Celine ever hold in her career ? What citation from Guinness World Record did she ever received ? Which worldwide poll about voice did Celine ever won ? What International vocal rank did she ever top ? A worldwide poll ? Magazines Polls ? Mariah already tops 3 vocal polls and ranks ! Celine never integrated even the top 5 of better voices worldwide at any poll ! And you compare her voice to MC’s voice ???? Do you think that only frequent belts in tracks could mean that a voice is special ? Mariah’s voice sounds very special ,amazing and perfect even in the songs she doesn’t belt at all neither whistles !!!!
    Mariah possesses a 5,2 octaves vocal range,Celine’s is just 2,7 octaves.See the big difference ?
    Don’t be jealous and frustrated about Mariah’s youthfulness,beauty ,elegance and sexyness over Celine by saying she’s an attention whore.The fact is that Celine isn’t beautiful nor sexy,but this is not by Mariah’s fault.You said “ don’t mess trash to classy sweet lady Celine” .So, Celine is a “sweet lady” just because she’s not beautiful and looked so averagely ? This is just your opinion,nobody think so my dear.

  323. TRISH says:

    About the lyric of Touch My Body,at least Mariah is able to write her own songs herself,and it was number 1 at the greatest musical chart of the world.Unfortunately Celine can’t do the same .
    Mariah doesn’t care to clown around in front of million of people ,wasting her unique voice for money ! She have many other ways to make money without damaging her so precious and so particular voice. She cares most about the legacy she will left from her music ! Besides,she has much more popular songs worldwide than Celine !
    About your babbling on the lyric of “Touch My Body”,Let me remind you that Mariah Carey is currently ranked by Billboard the Top female songwriter with the most number 1 songs penned ! Also the Top female Producer with the most number 1 songs.Mimi Slays all famous songwriters and producers : David Foster,Walter Afanasieff,Diane Warren,John Doelp,Vito Luprano,Babyface,etc… Unfortunately,Celine doesn’t wrote nor produce at all…unfortunatelly !
    Mariah Carey is the songwriter that also wrote : Hero , Vision Of Love, All I Want For Christmas Is You, One Sweet Day, Fly Like A Bird, Make It Happen, Butterfly, Anytime You Need A Friend, Can’t Take That Away, Never Too Far , My Saving grace,Forever, Oh Santa, Love Takes Time ,My All, We Belong Together, Christmas Time Is In The Air Again,Always Be My Baby, Whenever You Call,etc… She doen’t have just songs like Touch My Body, Obsessed, Loverboy,Up Out My Face Boy,etc… as haters like you always try to make swallow.Mimi is an exceptional songwriter and producer ! She has all kinds of lyrics and all kinds of songs. Now you see why Mariah is way better than Celine in all means ?

  324. TRISH says:

    Lucky Luke said Mariah sold 18 million albums in Japan, but 17 million according to her Certifications there ? Right ? So How could he says Celine sold 15 million albums in Canada while her certifications there reached barely 11 million albums there ??! He’s so crafty that he feign to use some good words about Mariah for convince the illadvised ones.He’s so creep in fact Mariah Carey sold more albums than Celine Dion worldwide !
    @Lucky Luke
    Why these women ( Beyonce, Toni, Aretha,Leona,Mary J) can’t beat Celine? Because they are black women ? When I cited these artists,I didn’t even remind that they are all black ! I just think about their voice,not about their ethnicity or color skin ! Why do you refer to the color of their skin ,when this debate is about musical skills and achievements ? Is this because Celine is a white woman that you tried to impose her as an ultimate vocalist and seller over everyone ? I don’t think the ethnicity of artists can have repercussion on their artistical skills ,abilities and capabilities.If you think the contrary, it’s your opinion.I emit my arguments regardless of these questions.I’m white and I never support artists because they belong to my ethnicity .This is behind me.
    Besides,I always consider Mariah as a white person ,cause physically she’s 100 % white.Anyway I wouldn’t make any difference if her skin was black !
    No no, Toni,Beyonce,Leona and Mary J have wider vocal range than Celine! You’re mistaken my dear.Celine sings louder,but all of these ladies can sing much more lower and deeper than Celine.Celine never have true low notes like these women.Name me just 1 Celine song that have a deep note like in Toni’s “Let It Flow” or Beyonce’s deep note in “Halo”.These ladies usually show more vocal flexibility in their songs than Celine.Leona and Christina can also sing higher than Celine .Aguilera and Lewis catch up Celine on vocal volume in many of their songs,specially nowadays. Still Celine is a great vocal legend in her own right ,but Mariah beat her hands down vocally,sorry.About dance,you compare Beyonce with Celine???!! Hahahaa !!! Everyone can see how much you are delusional ! Which dance Celine ever did ? Celine is light years behind true dancers .And MC is better than Celine on dance.
    Lucky Luke said: “all these singers (Aretha, Mary J ,Toni,Beyonce,etc…) suprass Celine in vocal runs
    and melismatic singing because it is used in rnb/soul
    music frequently,while Celine who sings more pop or
    rock or blues etc has more simple melismas and vocal
    runs and she never focused on this style of singing”
    I n the same way,Celine surpass all these women on volume because volume and belts are used in Pop Ballad songs.So,they haven’t to hit loud belts in their R&B/soul or Hip Hop songs as they never focused on this style of singing.
    No,no .When I talked about Mariah’s voice,you always deny every asset that she have over Celine.You say Mariah’s voice is breathy,but can you cite for me 1 studio recording songs in which Mariah’s voice is breathy? I can do for Celine ! Can you cite to me 5 live breathy performances of Mariah ? I can cite you more than 50 Celine’s nasal performances since the 1990’s to just 2003,without even include her Taking Chances tour ! So,saying that Mariah’s voice is breathy just prove how much you lie and hate her !
    You never stop talking about Celine filling stadiums,giving successful concerts years after years and that Mariah can’t fill any stadium,blablabla…However,you are upseted when I say that Celine haven’t Hits,nor talent nor skills although it’s a fact !
    I called Mariah “The Voice” because this is how the musical industry call her since the 1990’s ! Everybody knows she’s the best voice ever ,take it easy.In 2005,when Mariah had released The Emancipation Of Mimi,All the medias titled her come back “ The return of The Voice “ . Your fanaticism toward Celine is discovered when you deny Mariah’s vocal supremacy ,talent,skills,influence,legacy,etc… over Celine while the whole world admit it.That’s why you called Mariah attention whore, cheap whore,bitch,fat ass, cow,fake boobs,etc… Your pride make you focus only on this blog since August 2010 till now,just for make Mariah’s achievements down.
    1. Don’t care if you leave this debate or not,it would be a relief for me.I hope he won’t come back after my reply .Maybe he’ll return to say that Celine has huge income
    from her great dancing too,lol ! As he clearly stated
    that Celine is as great dancer as Beyonce Knowles !!!! Hahaha !! I repeat that MARIAH CAREY IS A VERY GREAT DANCER NEXT TO CELINE DION.
    What matters is the fact that Mariah Carey sold more albums and more singles worldwide than Celine Dion and is also much more talented and is a better artist overall !

  325. MOFF says:

    so why did Celine got the 2004’s Diamond Award for album sales of 175 million if you believed in this award?

  326. tane says:

    @trish.. trish it is true Celine Dion is a bigger seller but only bearly:) I believe Mariahs sold over 175 million albums and over 65 million singles:) Mariahs a bigger seller in singles over cline dion and probably videos:)

    and love that trish is a dedicated Mariah aka mimi fan!

  327. TRISH says:

    Tane,believe me I love Celine very much too,but I can’t stand that liars here say that she surpass Mariah on records sales .Mariah sold more records.

    Moff ,you’re not in position to question me in anything,as you admit many times that you hate Mariah,and also that you lied blindly when you claimed formerly that Madonna sold 300 million albums in accordance with Guinness World Records ! You’re just a crazy and sick Madonna fan and you know nothing about Celine and Madonna ,so Get out of here .We don’t talk about your talentless Madonna here.

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