Continuing Michael Jackson & Elvis Presley. What’s The Difference?

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  1. Frank Lee Reed says:

    During Elvis Week 2009, many of the fans in Memphis along with those watching the streaming live cam saw the presentation by Adam Block, Senior Vice President & General Manager of Legacy Recordings for Sony Music Entertainment.

    These awards recognize music and DVD sales that Elvis Presley continues to receive.
    If you missed it, you can still check out the video on YouTube.

    Awards were presented for:

    30 # 1 HITS
    5 X Platinum

    30#1 HITS International
    Germany 3x Platinum
    Italy – 2x Platinum
    Austria – 4x Platinum
    Belgium 2x Platinum
    Netherlands 3x Platinum
    Czech Republic 5x Platinum
    Denmark – 4x Platinum
    Finland – 3x Platinum
    Hungary – 2x Platinum
    Norway – 2x Platinum
    Poland – 2x Platinum
    Russia – 2x Platinum
    South Africa – Platinum
    Sweden – 5x Platinum
    Switzerland – Triple
    New Zealand – 4x Platinum
    Argentina – Platinum
    Brazil – Diamond
    Chile – 3x Platinum
    Hong Kong – Double
    Indonesia – Gold
    Malaysia – Double
    Philippines – Gold
    Korea – 3x Platinum
    Singapore 6x Platinum
    Taiwan – 4x Platinum

    30 #1 HITS – UK
    4x Platinum

    Elvis: ’68 Special Deluxe Edition
    4x Multi Platinum

    Elvis: ’68 Special Deluxe Edition
    Platinum

    UK: ’68 Special & Aloha from Hawaii
    ’68 Special: 4x Platinum
    Aloha from Hawaii: 3 x Platinum

    Canada: ’68 Special
    3x Platinum

    International:’68 Special
    UK – 4x Platinum
    Ireland – Platinum
    Germany – Gold
    France – 2x Platinum
    Italy – Gold
    Spain – Gold
    Austria – Gold
    Belgium – Gold
    Netherlands – Gold
    Czech republic – Gold
    Denmark – Gold
    Finland – Gold
    Norway – Gold
    Sweden – Gold
    Australia – 6x Platinum
    New Zealand – 2x Platinum
    Canada – 3x Platinum

    Aloha From Hawaii – DELUXE EDITION
    3x Multi Platinum

    Aloha From Hawaii – SPECIAL EDITION
    2x Multi Platinum

    International Aloha From Hawaii
    Ireland – Platinum
    Germany – Gold
    France – 3 x Platinum
    Italy – Gold
    Spain – Gold
    Austria – Gold
    Belgium – Gold
    Netherlands – Gold
    Czech Republic – Platinum
    Denmark – Gold
    Finland – Gold
    Norway – Gold
    Sweden – Gold
    Australia – 6x Platinum
    New Zealand – 2x Platinum
    Canada – 3 x Platinum
    Brazil – Gold

    #1 Hit Performances DVD
    Gold & Platinum

    Elvis By The Presleys DVD
    Double Platinum

  2. yomi says:

    as jesus said a true prophet is never accepted in his country. it is only in America that Michael is not accepted.i grew up on MJ music and my mom loved Elvis so I listened to his music and watched his movies. why do people feel the need to say Elvis or MJ is bigger. they are both dead and no jesus at all.but that being said you cannot quarrel with MJ success. MJ was monumental to the U.S. for a while but mostly he was a megastar globalwide. Elvis on the other hand is the king here in america. MJ did not call himself king of pop he attained the title thru his sales and awards. weird he may be but check world guiness record for all the tirles he holds. no cane can break that many records. I felt sympathy for him and comon will a real child molester openly admits he sleep with children if he had sex with him doesn’t make sense. he had mental issues and yesy he looked like a freak but he was alsolutely a gorgeous black man as a young adult. stop hating and listen to his beautiful prophetic lyrics like stranger in moscow, earth songs man in the mirror and no one can kill ballads like MJ no one. I was telling my husband his voice to me is like a musical instrument playing haven’t seen anothet voice like it. when you compare them rem they are dead okay and you can’t hurt MJ again.p.s. the 2 boys were liars. they are just 2 in a no of thousands that came to neverland. I think America issue with MJ is that it is homophobic and racist. its so obvious freak in the sense gay transexxual and drag queen. what are we teaching our children please don’t be different. reaaly we know why nancy grace diane sawyer e.t.c. are upset they are homophobias and nancy grace has the grace to play MJ gone too soon what a loser and a hyprocrite. and also MJ is no oj. why do people feel the need to compare cos they are black oj was obviously guilty and a violent man and never admitted anything and had black jurors. MJ had all white juros and he said he slept in the bed with children if he had something to hide he would never admit that. as for Elvis and priscilla who knows.i love Lisa Marie and the presleys.

  3. bebe says:

    All I know is at age 10 when MJ did that Motown audition with James Brown “I Got the Feeling” he was already a star than most stars I would watch in the years to come. As a kid I got exposed to Elvis music and I did like some of them like Wooden Heart, then MJ started to come into the picture and I could have sworn I have never seen anyone like him and he just blew me away!!! Honestly, Elvis’ music is more listenable, considering at that time…things were more stripped down. Elvis introduced the singing-dancing stuff on stage but I do believe somebody better than him came in 1958 (at least when it came to talent). Now with the songs, it was reflective of the times–in Elvis time, some of the song MJ has might have been a taboo at those times. But still MJ managed to come out with gems here and there out of his OWN pen. I really don’t care whatever rank he will be put, but ever since I collected his music, I wouldn’t tire listening to them over and over and over…it could be a generational thing too. But there are those who predict MJ will not go as far as Elvis and sometimes it sounds more like wishful thinking than objective prediction. With a talent like MJ, how can he be forgotten?

  4. Frank Lee Reed says:

    bebe and yomi you are both so right. I don’t think it is a fair comparison Elvis to Michael because they came of different time periods and were both monumental talents. Of course Michael could dance better, write songs, and do things that Elvis just wasn’t doing — but it doesn’t rob Elvis of the talent he had to interpret songs and make his audience feel he was singing to them. His stage presence is unmatched. In the end it doesn’t matter who sold more or had more hits. A hit record in 1985 is a world of difference between a hit record in 1956. Michael has Thriller, and Elvis has the first record to sell 1 million copies before its release. And the comparisons can go on and on. I think we are blessed (those of us older than 32) to have lived in a time when Elvis was around and Michael was around. Michael’s career (except for the Jackson 5) really began in 1979 as a solo artist. The true mark of a great entertainer is if their art brings happiness. THE ANSWER IS A RESOUNDING YES FOR BOTH ELVIS PRESLEY AND MICHAEL JACKSON.

  5. Jerry says:

    I have to say Elvis will always be the King. He was named
    the artist of the Century. That means for the 20th century he was named the best of the best.
    The MJ faze has already starting to pass.

  6. asvdes says:

    MICHAEL JACKSON WAS AWARDED ARTIST OF THE Decade,Generation, and Century and was inducted into the Songwriters Hall of Fame. was elvis? NO! because he didn’t write ANY of his songs….it is what it is.

  7. Jean says:

    Bebe, if you want to listen to Elvis songs and feel the phenomenal voice, don’t listen to “Wooden Heart”, listen Elvis in 70’s (“My Boy, It’s Easy For You”, “An American Trilogy”…).

    I don’t know why medias talk about Elvis in 50’s! The pure talent and the extraordinary voice was in the 70’s. This guy could sing opera ! He’s voice is legendary and will never be forgotten. I lived in many countries in my life (in Europe and Asia), and Elvis is considered as something unreachable. 32 years after his death “Elvis the Concert” is still touring, big arenas in England are full of thousands of fans! 32 years after his death!!! And guess what? All songs played in the concert are from 70’s live shows! Don’t listen Elvis in the 50’s but in the 70’s.

  8. Palma says:

    elvis presley is truly the king of music. Without him, there would be no the beatles and Michael Jackson in the industry. Elvis inspired them a lot. Michael needs MTV to become a global superstar. Elvis doesn’t needs that. He became a superstar and reached people around the world with no MTV and internet. That’s make him a King.

  9. dhig says:

    Palma: sorry buddy, but MICHAEL JACKSON WAS NOT INFLUECED BY neither THE BEATLES nor ELVIS. you can’t say ”mtv is what made him a global superstar” because he was a international start before MTV played Billie Jean (which was his first video they played) and by the way, ELVIS WAS NOT A GLOBAL STAR IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!! the only people that knew him was in the U.S and some of Europe. so don’t say stupid sh** if you don’t know what your talking about!! IT WAS THRILLER THAT MADE HIM A GLOBAL STAR!!!!!!!!NOT MTV

    MICHAEL JACKSON- KING OF POP

    ELVIS- KING OF CO**<<<<< oops that slipped out…LOL

  10. Jean says:

    “ELVIS WAS NOT A GLOBAL STAR IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!! the only people that knew him was in the U.S and some of europe”

    I’m reading some strange comments on this forum!!! I lived 20 years in Asia (now in Europe) and Elvis was and still the KING! He is known even in tiny villages in Asia and Europe! Why MJ’s fans are so idiot! Being jealous doesn’t permit you to tell lies! Did you live in Europe or Asia to give your opinion? Actually, I live in Paris and no one is talking about MJ anymore! Finish!!! But if you want to see Elvis in Concert, the show is in Zenith arena in March 2010 ! You can also see him touring in England (at least 10 concerts in huge arenas). Just to refresh your memory, the King is dead for 32 years!!!

  11. polksalad says:

    DHIG your full of sh**, Aloha from Hawaii concert was viewed by more then 1.5 billion people worldwide! Elvis is known around the world as the KING, MJ as the king of pedophiles and that is a big difference!!

  12. palma says:

    To dhig: you know I’m from the Philippines and I know Elvis. My parents idolized him a lot.

  13. san says:

    I really feel sorry for people who call MJ a pedophile. I suspect these are the people who had horrible parents or grandparents and were molesetd themselves or idirectly faced some bad experiences themselves with pedophilie relatives. Perhaps these guys do not understand what a fatherly affection means due to their own sad histories…Let’s pray for such unfortunate people but not allow them to impose their mindset on the legacy of MJ.

    MJ always maintained that he had a special relationship with kids and he did a lot for children across the planet. Also he never hid the fact that Children did share his bedroom sometimes. Are some of us here really dumb enough to believe that a child molester will have the innocence and conviction to openly proclaim his special relationship with children even after having been in some controversies created by vested interests in the past!!! That too talking to a pig like Martin Bashir, who was obviously trying to humiliate him, while MJ always maintained his cool.
    MJ always wanted to be like a kid since he bleieved grown-ups were mean to him (we see some eveidence of that meanness in some of the ignorant posts right here!!).

    I think his best response was in the Martin Bashir (“The Pig”) interview about relationship with Children, when asked whether it was OK to share bed with Kids, he said yes unless one is “Jack the ripper”.
    What affection and love Michael had for children is not easy for many of us to understand but it does not mean that we impose our ignorance on the legacy of one of the gretaest entertainers and humanitarians the planet has even seen
    I believe he was the kindest celebrity I have ever seen or heard. Just watch his interviews and the candidness and openness he has in his thoughts and statements. There is no mystry..there is no dark side..there is no cunning focus on political correctness..

    In any case, it is unacceptable that people insult MJ after his death and try to destroy his legacy based on rumors and blames put on MJ by greedy people surrounding him trying to make money..Nothing derogatory against MJ was confirmed at any point. MJ was simply too kind for the ugly world around him. To some of the posters here who are just fixated on sadder part of MJ’s life and not on his extra-ordinary talent and the magic he created and what he did for the world, my message is just try to rediscover MJ with an open mind. If you are ignorant enough to not comprehend something that certainly does not mean that it can’t be. MJ had a special relationship with kids and that can also be a clean relationship in spite of inability of some of us to comprehend that, due to our own notions and past experiences

    Elvis was a great singer and I love his music. MJ is my gretaest entertainer of all time and actually something way beyond that because of all he had to face in his life…and yet he did find a way to shine the brightest. Many of his songs are about connecting the world. MJ truly became a global phenomenon and grew way bigger than even his music as the most well-known person on the planet. If it was not for some demons surrounding him who tried to destroy him, he had even more to offer to the world…

    Let’s remember MJ as well as Elvis for what the world loved them for, and not what makes some ignorant folks criticise them for.
    R.I.P. MJ

  14. Jean says:

    “San”, you’re really a kind person and I appreciate that. Just let me tell you this. As a normal person, if I wake up at night and find a 10 years old boy (a strangers’ sun not mine !) in my bed, the first thing that I’ll do is to put him out of my bedroom! This what shall do a normal (non paedophile) person. Now, if Michael doesn’t know the gravity of this act, so he’s a sick man (he’s not a child, he’s a 50 years old man!). This guy is really SICK (not child minded, SICK!). And even if he’s ignorant and for him this is just a game, I’m sure 100% that people sharing his life (wife, mother, sister, manager, …) told him that he was doing strange things, and I guess Lisa-Marie tried to tell him that, but he didn’t listen to anyone because he was really sick I think.

    That’s my personal opinion I can be wrong. Hope to be wrong…

  15. dhig says:

    Jean: are you the peace maker here? GET A LIFE!!! just admit your an idiot and you have no idea what your talking about!!! half of the stuff you said doesn’t even make any sense .

  16. Flight says:

    Elvis vs. Michael
    Apples and Oranges The eras were different. The fans are
    more diversed for Michael. It is like boxing: Ali vs. Tyson. Baseball: Hank Aaron vs. Steroids, Basketball: Dominant Big men(no 3 seconds), no 3pt line, etc

    However, Watch Elvis’ dance moves and tell me what was feet doing. If Most of us can do this, then his moves were not so special. Whereas Michael took dance moves and choreography to levels unreachable.
    BOTH were great! For the 1st time reported 2 KINGS! Long live the KINGS! Let them rest in peace. More importantly, we were fans of both obviously to read up all their facts. BOTH you can not stop watching when they did what they did! Love them both!
    There is more to them both that we may never hear about!

  17. Jean says:

    “dhig”, you’re a black racist so I will not spend more than one minute to tell what I think about an uneducated and racist person. Shame on you, we are in 2009 and still finding stupid racist people!

    I’m a white man and a huge Elvis fan (only 70’s) but I have Arheta Franklin, Whitney Houston, Otis Redding CD’s at home (not Michael Jackson’s because I think (or suspect) his a pedophile)! As a white person, I love and support black artists but can’t say the same for you!

    God help you ! Listen to some Elvis gospel songs!!

  18. WayDown says:

    To dhig, Fortunately all black people are not stupid ass racists. Some of them are educated and grateful !

    “Elvis was my close personal friend. He came to my Deer Lake training camp about two years before he died. He told us he didn’t want nobody to bother us. He wanted peace and quiet and I gave him a cabin in my camp and nobody even knew it. When the cameras started watching me train, he was up on the hill sleeping in the cabin. Elvis had a robe made for me. I don’t admire nobody, but Elvis Presley was the sweetest, most humble and nicest man you’d want to know”
    Muhammad Ali

    “A lot of people have accused Elvis of stealing the black man’s music, when in fact, almost every black solo entertainer copied his stage mannerisms from Elvis”
    Jackie Wilson

    “I wasn’t just a fan, I was his brother. He said I was good and I said he was good; we never argued about that. Elvis was a hard worker, dedicated, and God loved him. Last time I saw him was at Graceland. We sang Old Blind Barnabus together, a gospel song. I love him and hope to see him in heaven. There’ll never be another like that soul brother”
    James Brown

    “That’s my idol, Elvis Presley. If you went to my house, you’d see pictures all over of Elvis. He’s just the greatest entertainer that ever lived. And I think it’s because he had such presence. When Elvis walked into a room, Elvis Presley was in the f***ing room. I don’t give a f*** who was in the room with him, Bogart, Marilyn Monroe”
    Eddie Murphy

    “I remember Elvis as a young man hanging around the Sun studios. Even then, I knew this kid had a tremendous talent. He was a dynamic young boy. His phraseology, his way of looking at a song, was as unique as Sinatra’s. I was a tremendous fan, and had Elvis lived, there would have been no end to his inventiveness”
    B.B. King

    “Elvis was an integrator. Elvis was a blessing. They wouldn’t let Black music through. He opened the door for Black music”
    Little Richard

    “Early on somebody told me that Elvis was black. And I said ‘No, he’s white but he’s down-home’. And that is what it’s all about. Not being black or white it’s being ‘down-home’ and which part of down-home you come from”
    Sammy Davis Jnr

    “I have a respect for Elvis and my friendship. It ain’t my business what he did in private. The only thing I want to know is, ‘Was he my friend?’, ‘Did I enjoy him as a performer?’, ‘Did he give the world of entertainment something?’ – and the answer is YES on all accounts. The other jazz just don’t matter”
    Sammy Davis Jnr

    “On a scale of one to ten, I would rate Elvis eleven”
    Sammy Davis Jnr

    “Describe Elvis Presley? He was the greatest who ever was, is, or will ever be”
    Chuck Berry

    “Elvis loved gospel music. He was raised on it. And he really did know what he was talking about. He was singing Gospel all the time – almost anything he did had that flavour. You can’t get away from what your roots are”
    Cissy Houston

    “He was a mild tempered, quiet, nice guy. He treated everyone the same. There have been rumors about him. Now, I don’t believe that. I never saw him act in anyway like that’. ‘I overheard one of Elvis’ friends at the time ask Elvis ‘Why do you call him ‘mister’ — he’s just a barbecue guy?’ Elvis looked at him and said ‘He’s a man’. ‘ ‘That’, Withers says, ‘Was the humility in his temperament”
    Ernest Withers

    “Elvis was a great man and did more for civil rights than people know. To call him a racist is an insult to us all”
    Ernest Withers

  19. MJ=PATHETIC says:

    qwezxc..your a complete idiot. I don’t think I ever read something so stupid from a human and qwezxc..you did it, congrats bud, you showed all of us you shouldn’t be allowed a voice. Whoever thinks Michael Jackson is bigger or better than Elvis doesn’t know facts, ignore the truth and are uneducated people who should learn something before forming an opinion. Elvis eclipses the boy touching, tapes his nose on his face, drug addict, crotch grabbing, weirdo who talks like a girl. MJ got nothing, Elvis did everything MJ only wishes he could have done..bottomline. MJ fans go home and support child molestors and read up on who done more and accomplished more..Elvis, unless you count child molestations

  20. Tim says:

    Infortunately There are so many people who think of Michael Jackson as a spectacle (even in his death), and it’s really sad. All of it has taken something away from our ability to see him for the genius he really was. A world without Michael Jackson is a very, very different world. And I think we should all feel very blessed that an artist of that caliber came into our lives, because he left our lives enriched. June 25th ‘2009 was one the saddest days in our lives because that special talent and genius left us for ever, but hopefully for a better place.
    MJ never happened before and will not happen again.

  21. Jude says:

    “June 25th 2009 was one the saddest days in our lives”

    Oh yeah, a very sad day for MJ’s fans but a very very lucky day for little kids :o)

  22. JOJO says:

    ELVIS NEVER WROTE HIS MUSIC.
    OTIS BLACKWELL DID.
    MICHAEL JACKSON GAVE 340 MILLION TO CHARITY, ELVIS DID NOT. MICHAEL OPENED UP FOR BLACK ARTISTS IN MTV, ELVIS DID NOT. MICHAEL OWNS ELVIS PRESLEY CATALOUGUES AND THE BEATLES. MICHAEL WAS INFLUENCED BY JAMES BROWN AND SAMMY DAVID JR. NOT ELVIS, HE NEVER DANCED NOR SUNG LIKE ELVIS, HE HAD HIS OWN PERFECT STYLE. MICHAEL DANCED MUCH MORE AND BETTER THAN ELVIS BOUNCING. MICHAEL WAS A BILLIONARE, ELVIS WAS NOT. NO ONE TALKS ABOUT ELVIS OUTSIDE OF EUROPE AND USA. MICHAEL IS LOVED WORLD WIDE.

    HOW PATHETIC IS FOR ELVIS TO DATE 14 YEAR OLD PRISCILLA AND HAVE SEX WITH HER IN 1959 WHEN HE COULD HAVE HAD ANY GROWN HOT WOMEN, HE HAD a THING FOR UNGERAGE GIRL. ELVIS IS A PEDOPHILE BUT NO ONE HAS THE BALLS TO SAY IT. IT IS NOT NORMAL FOR A 24 YEAR OLD MAN TO DATE A 14 YEAR OLD GIRL, SEXIST PEDOPHILES????????????????????????????
    PROBABLY BECAUSE SHE IS A GIRl AND ELVIS WAS A STAR, HE GOT AWAY WITH IT. ELVIS IS THE TRUE KING OF PEDOPHILES IF ANYTHING.

    THERE WAS NO FACTUAL EVIDENCE THAT MICHAEL EVER RAPED A BOY, MACUALY CILKIN, BRETT BARNES AND COREY FELDMEN DEFENDED MICHAEL, WHICH IS WHY HE IS NOT IN JAIL.
    SO I REST MY CASE. I AM SICK OF ELVIS

  23. Jude says:

    “June 25th 2009 was one the saddest days in our lives”

    Once again, a very sad day for MJ’s fans but a very very lucky day for little kids :o)

  24. WayDown says:

    Poor JOJO, the difference between the freak who denied his roots and the King is that the freak called the world televisions to tell that he gave money for charity. I’m a huge Elvis fan and during years I didn’t know that the benefits of the concert “aloha from Hawaii” was given to “Kui Lee Cancer Fund in Hawaii”. This is a MAN! Oh no, this is a KING!

  25. evangeline says:

    this is a fact, Elvis presley is the most successful single artist in the world according to unitedworldchart.de check their website to know the truth.

  26. evangeline says:

    elvis is very popular in our country philippines. I knew him when I was young and my parents idolized him since their early years. in fact, filipino fans paid tribute his 30th death anniversary. that’s how popular he is.

  27. evangeline says:

    elvis became international superstar without the help pf MTV. MJ needs that to be able to achieve his accomplishments. before MTV MJ was not that much popular.

    ELVIS IS A LEGEND IMMORTAL AND HE WILL BE LIVE IN OUR HEARTS FOREVER.

  28. WayDown says:

    Within minutes the press headlines announced:

    – The Memphis Press Scimitar announced: LONELY LIFE ENDS ON ELVIS PRESLEY BOULEVARD
    The French headlines read: L’ADIEU A ELVIS!

    – The British FrontPage said: KING ELVIS DEAD AT 42 AND ALONE.

    – The Soviet newspaper PRAVDA ran a full-page ELVIS IS DEAD. THE USA HAS GIVEN US THREE CULTURAL PHENOMENON: MICKEY MOUSE, COKE A COLA AND ELVIS PRESLEY

    – The Australian Herald – ONE HOUR BATTLE FAILS. KING ELVIS DIES

    – Richard Nixon asked Americans fly their flags at half-mast.

  29. Megs says:

    Okay I have had a problem with a lot of comments written. One said that Elvis and Priscilla shared the same bed and asked if we honestly believed nothing happened. Yes I do. Gandhi slept naked with two girls yet did nothing just to prove that he could. Also, today men and women sleep in the same bed without doing anything so why is it so hard to believe that Elvis didn’t do anything??? Also, some say the Elvis was addicted to drugs before his army days and it was when he started music. I think that people need to check their facts. Elvis didn’t like the idea of taking drugs at all for the longest time. Yes he started in the military but so did others. I do wonder where the people saying all this bad stuff about Elvis are getting their information. Oh and Elvis would never have put Lisa-Marie in any dangerous situation. He loved her like she was his whole world because she and her mother were. And for those who say that Elvis never wrote his own song look at:
    All Shook Up
    Don’t Be Cruel
    Let Me
    Love Me Tender
    Paralyzed
    Poor Boy
    That’s Someone You Never Forget
    We’re Gonna Move
    You’ll Be Gone

    Yes he was a co-composer but he still did a lot. He may have taken other stuff but he made it his own and if you listen to some of his songs not by him most people ask if Elvis did a version. Elvis is the richest dead person alive…and yes that makes sense if you think about it. He is the King of Rock’n’Roll and will always be number one.

    LONG LIVE THE KING!!!!!!!!

  30. Sym says:

    SERIOUSLY! even here people r putting Michael down but NOT Elvis. Elvis was a drug addict, he died because of drugs. MJ may have died from drugs but that was for his INSOMNIA!!! MJ was MY time (kinda, I was born in ’96), he is one amazing entertainer and person. he helped children all over the world. elvis… not so much. and have you seen Lisa marie?!? she’s not that nice, I’m just sayin! I think Michael Jackson is the true king of pop, Elvis was the king of rock. but personally for me Michael Jackson is the king of MUSIC! elivs opened up doors for people, but Michael shouldn’t thank him, the black people opened the doors for Michael and MJ opened up the doors for others. Elvis was white, people already accepted. R.I.P. Michael <3 r.i.p. elvis

  31. Brian says:

    I think it is somewhat naive to put MJ in the small categories of a successful black artist or just the King of pop. The fact is that MJ simply grew way bigger than his music and became a phenomenon which can not be described in words. He literally belonged to this planet. He was not just an American or just a black man or white man…. Lucky are we that we had a chance to live in his times. He was a pure soul and very kind person who was abused by some people. He never abused anyone. At least I find it difficult to imagine that charges against him had any substance, given what he did for the world. Neither MJ’s supporters nor his detractors can deny that he conquered the world of music and at some point grew even bigger than his music.
    MJ was extraordinary and it should have nothing to do with Elvis being better, worse or equal to MJ. MJ stands tall by himself and does not need any comparisons. MJ and his magic will be missed, perhaps more so because the way the world treated him, how he still found a way to beat the odds and the sad way in which he suddenly left us while trying to make one last comeback.

  32. WayDown says:

    The biggest, the greatest, just the King.

    “Elvis was my close personal friend. He came to my Deer Lake training camp about two years before he died. He told us he didn’t want nobody to bother us. He wanted peace and quiet and I gave him a cabin in my camp and nobody even knew it. When the cameras started watching me train, he was up on the hill sleeping in the cabin. Elvis had a robe made for me. I don’t admire nobody, but Elvis Presley was the sweetest, most humble and nicest man you’d want to know”
    Muhammad Ali

    “A lot of people have accused Elvis of stealing the black man’s music, when in fact, almost every black solo entertainer copied his stage mannerisms from Elvis”
    Jackie Wilson

    “I wasn’t just a fan, I was his brother. He said I was good and I said he was good; we never argued about that. Elvis was a hard worker, dedicated, and God loved him. Last time I saw him was at Graceland. We sang Old Blind Barnabus together, a gospel song. I love him and hope to see him in heaven. There’ll never be another like that soul brother”
    James Brown

    “That’s my idol, Elvis Presley. If you went to my house, you’d see pictures all over of Elvis. He’s just the greatest entertainer that ever lived. And I think it’s because he had such presence. When Elvis walked into a room, Elvis Presley was in the f***ing room. I don’t give a f*** who was in the room with him, Bogart, Marilyn Monroe”
    Eddie Murphy

    “I remember Elvis as a young man hanging around the Sun studios. Even then, I knew this kid had a tremendous talent. He was a dynamic young boy. His phraseology, his way of looking at a song, was as unique as Sinatra’s. I was a tremendous fan, and had Elvis lived, there would have been no end to his inventiveness”
    B.B. King

    “Elvis was an integrator. Elvis was a blessing. They wouldn’t let Black music through. He opened the door for Black music”
    Little Richard

    “Early on somebody told me that Elvis was black. And I said ‘No, he’s white but he’s down-home’. And that is what it’s all about. Not being black or white it’s being ‘down-home’ and which part of down-home you come from”
    Sammy Davis Jnr

    “I have a respect for Elvis and my friendship. It ain’t my business what he did in private. The only thing I want to know is, ‘Was he my friend?’, ‘Did I enjoy him as a performer?’, ‘Did he give the world of entertainment something?’ – and the answer is YES on all accounts. The other jazz just don’t matter”
    Sammy Davis Jnr

    “On a scale of one to ten, I would rate Elvis eleven”
    Sammy Davis Jnr

    “Describe Elvis Presley? He was the greatest who ever was, is, or will ever be”
    Chuck Berry

    “Elvis loved gospel music. He was raised on it. And he really did know what he was talking about. He was singing Gospel all the time – almost anything he did had that flavour. You can’t get away from what your roots are”
    Cissy Houston

    “He was a mild tempered, quiet, nice guy. He treated everyone the same. There have been rumors about him. Now, I don’t believe that. I never saw him act in anyway like that’. ‘I overheard one of Elvis’ friends at the time ask Elvis ‘Why do you call him ‘mister’ — he’s just a barbecue guy?’ Elvis looked at him and said ‘He’s a man’. ‘ ‘That’, Withers says, ‘Was the humility in his temperament”
    Ernest Withers

    “Elvis was a great man and did more for civil rights than people know. To call him a racist is an insult to us all”
    Ernest Withers

  33. tammy says:

    hey give Michael a break you freaks you make me sleepy get over this sh** please…. with Michael its all for L.O.V.E so shut up.

    whats the difference? Don’t compare our Michael against the weirdo I do not like Elvis any way about the record sales if he was here you would be looking at an old man OLD OLD OLD ELVIS fans go take some DRUGS real drugs like elvis.. cause you all piss me off.
    Give it up are you jealous of Michael do you think he is a big threat for YOUR STUPID ELVIS… well think that. see if we care hes nothing compared to Michael Jackson

    so any way don’t you see you ELVIS fans will be wiped out one day.. do you think next generation and the next is going to like ELIVS hehehe NO.. hes gone dead for good then.. when Michael will live through my children there children so ON… fat chance Elvis receiving that L>O>V>E

  34. WayDown says:

    I’m 31 and I’m a huge huge Elvis fan, go and see “Elvis the Concert” and you will see that the King has much more young fans than you can imagine!

    By the way “tammy”, do you prefer to take drugs like Elvis or to sleep with young children like MJ? Meditate !

  35. Brian says:

    For the ignorant masses, the Father of the boy Jordon Chandler who accused MJ of Child Molestation in ’93 (or was forced to accused him by some for Money), put a gun to his mouth (I think somewhere on Nov 5th although the new broke very late)
    dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1228772/Michael-Jackson-Jordan-Chandlers-father-Evan-commits-suicide-years-accusing-star-molesting-son.html

    Nobody knows what was the exact cause of suicide. I just wanted more people to know about this and then again reemphasize that I believe MJ was not just the greatest entertainer of our generations but a great soul who was perhaps too kind and nice for the dirty money-sucking pigs surrounding him.
    RIP MJ

  36. WayDown says:

    No “Brian”, I don’t care about Jordon’s father life and his “suicide”. All I know is that MJ HIMSELF told he shared his bed with children. Then if you think that a 40 years old man sleeping with stranger’s children is normal, then I have no comment, because you’re a blind person !

  37. Colin Moon says:

    Well Elvis did have a Sexual Relationship with Priscilla when she was about 14,well,that is HER Claim!

    Listen,I know quite few things about Michael Jackson,as I am also one of his many many fans

    1.That Kid Michael “Molested” admitted that he actually lied so his dad could get money

    2.Michael was maybe little weird,but do any of you think that he was a molester?

    3.Michael did have a few plastic surgeries,but he was never “Trying to be white”,if any of you think so.We all know Michael had a little skin decease named “Vitiligo”.

    4.Michael Jackson or Elvis Presley?I would vote for both.Elvis certainly was the “King of Rock and Roll” and Michael was,like we all now,”The King of Pop”.So All their songs were amazing(ALL OF THEM),but I think the differences between Elvis and Michael is that Elvis was Tough but Michael Was Not.Plus Elvis had a fancy haircut.

    The point is:None.There is no point.I don’t understand Why I was writing this sh** it is totally pointless and so is the rest of the comments.Worthless piece of sh**.Some of you are ignorant,other of you are not.Although the original question had a point.

    P.S the reason why I am not so good at writing English is that I am not English or American.I am Icelandic(Like William Stephenson,Bjork and Magnus Scheving) and I apologise for this piece of crap I wrote.

    P.S.2 I like chocolate

  38. Colin Moon says:

    Okay I have had a problem with a lot of comments written. One said that Elvis and Priscilla shared the same bed and asked if we honestly believed nothing happened. Yes I do. Gandhi slept naked with two girls yet did nothing just to prove that he could. Also, today men and women sleep in the same bed without doing anything so why is it so hard to believe that Elvis didn’t do anything??? WHY THE HECK DO YOU THEN HAVE A PROBLEM FOR MICHAEL JACKSON SHARING HIS BED WITH KIDS ARE YOU ALL NUTS????

  39. WayDown says:

    Colin Moon, meditate…! If you think MJ slept with strager’s children only to play house/house then it’s ok, I will not tell you more because you have really a baby mind and a baby heart.

    By the way, Priscilla always said Elvis didn’t touch her until they got married (lies or truth I can’t confirm)

  40. iitsmack! says:

    okay. I have read every post on this topic from the beginning up to this point. and these are the things that I do not understand:
    1. why will people believe elvis’s/priscilla’s claims that they did not sleep together but they won’t believe michael’s claims that he did not sleep with children? that makes no sense. stop acting two-faced.
    2. why do just about all of the people on here who support Elvis play the child molestation card against michael? Michael Jackson was aquitted on all charges. the father of the accuser shot himself in the mouth. Michael Jackson helped MILLIONS of children all over the GLOBE. his entire legacy is wiped out by the claims of TWO kids? I don’t think so. he did not molest children. deep down in the deps of your soul, you know that he did NOT touch little boys. why would he openly say that he “slept in the same bed as children” if he did anything inappropriate? that’s just asking for trouble. I will say that he was somewhat bizarre but he was not THAT stupid. I’m sorry, that logically could not have happened.
    and let’s not pretend like Elvis never did anything wrong or anything questionable in his life either. I’m sure he got away with a lot of things he did back in his day. lucky for him, there was no mass media following him around everywhere he went, wanting to know every detail of his life. Elvis didn’t really have that problem, but I’m sure that he was no angel either.
    3. why do people care so much about michael’s plastic surgeries? like Elvis didn’t let himself go toward the end of his life… they both morphed into different people as their lives spiralled out of control.
    4. why are people STILL saying that Michael Jackson tried to be white? the autopsy even proved that the man did in fact have vitiligo. the man was black! he did not TRY to be white. that does not make any sense! and about his kids being white, it is possible for black and white parents to have children with fair-colored skin. and even if they aren’t his biological children, him adopting white children does not make him want to be white. if I adopt a child from china, does that mean I want to be asian? no. it doesn’t.
    5. why do people believe that the record sales prove anything? use your brains people; the record sales are wrong! in this day and age, it is virtually impossible to keep track of how many albums are sold. people illegally pirate music, shoplift from stores, and download individual songs for their mp3 players. we will NEVER know who sold what.
    6. how do you people decide who is more talented? fact- Michael Jackson created his own stuff. all of his famous works: billie jean, beat it, bad, thriller, don’t stop til’ you get enough, smooth criminal, dirty diana, scream, the way you make me feel, black or white, and so many more were all written and/or produced by him. fact- elvis’s most famous works: hound dog, jailhouse rock, blue christmas, I can’t help falling in love, burning love, and so many others were all written by someone else and given to him to sing. it’s one thing to be able to sing in the music industry, but it’s another to write.
    7. why do people completely forget the fact that Michael Jackson was with the Jackson 5? he could wow a crowd at the age of five years old. when most of us were learning to read, ride a bike, and tie our shoes, which was most likely what Elvis was doing as well.
    8. how can you say that Elvis presley and Michael Jackson are not comparable? you have to be blind; no, you have to be mentally challenged to say that they aren’t comparable. they both defined a generation, changed the game of music, destroyed themselves, and died way too soon.

    overall statement:
    yes. without Elvis presley, there would be no Michael Jackson. that is very true; he changed the game when there was nothing. he was groundbreaking and is worthy of his title as “The King of Rock N’ Roll.” but to me, the whole purpose of music is to grow and evolve and Michael Jackson is that evolution. he raised the bar with what Elvis started. he didn’t just sing like Elvis did; he created, he danced, he produced, he donated the most to charity, he translated music into music videos, he went global with touring, he defined what it means to have “trademark moves,” he defined what it means to have “style and swagger” with his iconic jackets, hats, and gloves, and he broke the color curtain wide open by being a black man. he is worthy of his title as “The King of Pop.”
    neither will be the “true king.” and they have their different titles for different obvious reasons. Elvis came first, but you can’t ignore all that Michael did either.
    and those who dig around mess will never have a valid arguement. people are going to believe what they want to believe and the truth will never be told about Elvis or Michael because the two men with all the answers have passed away. the only thing that is certain is all that they did for music and human history. despite what Elvis fans believe about Michael being forgotten, you can forget it, because legends never die.
    long live the kings.

  41. WayDown says:

    Answers to “iitsmack” :

    1) Because MJ HIMSELF admitted that he shared his bed with strangers children
    2) “Michael Jackson was aquitted on all charges”, OJ Simpson was aquitted on all charges too ! “Elvis lucky because no mass media following him around everywhere”? Are you serouis? Medias killed Elvis, how many times he insulted medias at live concerts at the end of his life!
    3&4) “Why do people care so much about michael’s plastic surgeries”? Because he denied his roots (no bulls please about sickness!), he wanted to be white, have a white man nose, have white “wives”, have white children…
    5) “Why do people believe that the record sales prove anything”, that proves you are worlwide like Elvis & Beatles … & either MJ
    6) Pavarotti didn’t write anything ! If I’m gonna chose musicians, I will take the Gods of music The Beatles and not MJ ! If I’m gonna take a singer, I will take the God of the singers Elvis. MJ is intermediate in singing/writing/acting, and very good in dancing. You know the expression “jack of all trades and master of none”?
    7) A french singer named Jordy did a song when he was 3 years old and was I think no1 in more than 30 countries, that proves what? We never said the little MJ was not talented, I think even he was better than the big MJ because he was a normal black artist and not a white color lover abnormal !
    8) “elvis presley and Michael Jackson are not comparable”? No Sir, sorry to say this but MJ changes NOTHING. Video clips existed before him (Jailhouse Rock for Elvis in 1957), even the Beatles & Bee Gees did lot of video clips in the 60’s & 70’s. But medias brain washed people by telling lies. Racial barriers? If you are a honest person, then you know very well who broke racial barriers. Before the love boat between MTV and MJ other black artists were accepted and adored by white people (S Wonder, Tina Turner, R Charles…), MJ did NOTHING on that level. “They both defined a generation”? No because MJ audiance was my generation (I was teenage), but beside MJ I listened and adored others like Madonna, George Michael, … MJ didn’t ever influence people directly (cloths, hair style, …) but Elvis did. People tried to dress like him, have the same hair style, hold a guitar and simulate his singing/moving. “changed the game of music”? Because you think if MJ was not in the 80’s the music today would be different? Are you serouis? MJ didn’t chage the game. But without Elvis, artists today were surley singing with costumes and by clicking fingers ! “destroyed themselves”? Yes as many other rock stars… “Both died too soon”? I think 51 years is not bad for a worldwide rock stars who usually have unhealthy life styles.

    For your conclusions :
    – “Elvis The King of Rock N’ Roll”? Telling this is a big insult to a man who could sing all king of music (ballads, rock n roll, rock, pop, blues, opera style, country, gospel). Give this title to C Berry if you want, but please call Elvis simply “The King”
    – “MJ raised the bar with what Elvis started”? He raised what? Doing dance moves that were already done by other artists 40 years before? Doing playback concerts on easy singing songs? What a shame! Wrote music? MJ wrote songs but never played instrument on live concerts! Something wrong here no? Elvis at least played guitar and piano on his concerts! Did video clips? That was done before him. “iconic jackets, hats, and gloves”? Even in the 80’s people didn’t wear them to copy him!

    MJ was a worlwide star who had lot of success (like Madonna) but can’t be compared to Elvis and the Beatles who really changed the music history.

  42. martha says:

    ELVIS is the king of music. No child ever accused Elvis as a molester, so give it up. All of Elvis’s girlfriends’ love him up to this date. Elvis was known for having adult women as lovers. Elvis’s exwife still loves him dearly. Lisa Marie has nothing but wonderful memories of her father-Elvis. ELvis sold over ONE BILLION Records. 32 yrs gone and his legacy continues. ELvis didn’t have MTV or Internet to promote his sales or his fame. ELvis rocked the world when he did Aloha from Hawaii 1973, over 1.5 BILLION people watched Elvis via sattlelite. No other artist has ever done that, nor sold as many records as Elvis. Elvis was never too big to sing praises to God. Elvis was naturally beautiful, sexy, extremely good looking. He had a voice that never failed him. He sung every note up to his last concert. Elvis can’t be compared to any other performer, but there are sure a lot of people comparing their favorites to ELVIS. Why? Because deep down they know who the king of music is: ELVIS PRESLEY!!!

  43. Polksalad says:

    Within a few years from now people will look back and wonder how so many people could admire a pedophile a child molester and agreeing with it. Criminals remain criminals even if they have fame and money and in jacksons case he should have gone to jail if justice had been done. A lot of sh** will be kept hidden from the public but some will come out. The question remains the same how can you adore a pedophile a child abuser and imitate him??? It is beyond my understanding but then again I m from a different era where we had Elvis Presley and boy could he sing and inspire people. We all still miss Elvis in one way or another why else would people try to compare or with whome else could they try to compare then with the King himself Elvis Preslet the greatest entertainer there ever was!

  44. red says:

    look at what you are all doing to yourselves. just step outside yourself for one second and look in.
    you are all fighting a war that will never be won!
    it’s almost as if you are all trying to fool yourselves into believing that any of this is important!
    who gives a crap if Elvis presley married prescilla or if Michael Jackson had plastic surgery? does it really affect your lives that much? does it really affect you to the point where you wake up in the morning and the first thing you think of is elvis’s drug use, or Michael Jackson’s child molestation charges? Elvis presley and Michael Jackson are dead. and the truth of the matter is that we are all going to die and none of this arguing and debating is going to mean anything. like iitsmack said, “people are going to believe what they want to believe.” so all of this “Michael Jackson & Elvis Presley – What’s the Difference?” is just a waste of time. move on and remember who you want. whatever makes you happy. just learn to be happy with the fact that what you believe is the only thing that matters.

  45. Scott1234 says:

    Thirty two year after Elvis’ death an estimated 100,000 fan attended the week long celebration. You won’t find that many people at Neverland remembering Michael Jackson.

  46. ffddfgd says:

    You Elvis fans on here are sick sad individuals who think bringing MJ down will help elevate Elvis and I saw the people at the Elvis stuff and most of them were really old and they were white barely any minorities but I am not shocked and I am sure most of you fall into this category. You guys say that Priscilla never slept with Elvis which is fine because we all were not there and cannot know for sure, but you refuse to give MJ the same benefit of the doubt. Some of you just sound downright stupid because when people ask you to back up your claim, you simply say “He is a pedophile.” No evidence or explanation of the though process.

    And I suppose once you are accused of something it means you are guilty and what about Priscilla’s claim that he raped her? I guess that is fine. I guess you can listen to a “rapist” and “pedophile”, but you can’t listen to a “pedophile”. Let’s get real, most of you are either racist or never really liked MJ because you feel it is a crime to like the 2 or you feel he threatens Elvis’ position or you simply never liked him, or you are tabloid junkies.

    I don’t care if MJ has 100,000 fans at Neverland visiting his ranch 32 years from now, I don’t care if Neverland is turned into a tourist sites. All I know is that from what I know and have seen he was a good guy who did all he could to save the lives of many children and used his music and influence to send out positive messages. I liked the man and I don’t feel that berating Elvis will make him any better. They were both Kings in their own way and anyone with a brain who uses their brain to look at the cases will know the MJ most likely did not molest children. What MJ did was unorthodox for the USA, but it was not criminal. Half of the world does not even know who Elvis is. I know for a fact that in Africa everyone loves and knows MJ, but no one knows Elvis, so I do believe MJ is much more popular and much more loved.

  47. WayDown says:

    MJ more popular than the King because he’s more popular in Africa? Great conclusion “ffddfgd”. You can win the first place for the most stupid MJ fan!

    The diiference between the King and MJ? It’s the word “doubt” as you said! You can have doubts that Elvis did something with his wife before she was 18, but no doubt for MJ sleeping with children, you know why? Because this sick person admitted himself to share his bed with stranger’s children (but he did nothing, just played house)! You stupid ass blind racist fanatic! You’re ready to support a mad just because you’re black! You’re as sick as MJ ! And MJ was as inocent as OJ Simpson !

    An other thing idiot! I’m not a white american, I’m only 32 years old, I’m from Aaia, AND I’M A HUGE ELVIS FAN (only 70’s)!!! Stupid racist!

    And no need bringing MJ down to elevate the King, no need to compare the king of junk electronic playback music with the real King who could sing any kind of music in the 70’s (a real God given voice!)

  48. Polksalad says:

    MJ fans should be ashamed in accepting a pedophile as an idol, what excuse can you have for accepting such sick behaviour? Regardless of who is the biggest we know for a fact the Elvis was a gentlemen towars woman and people in general but wack jacko the king of pop played with his lollipop in front of children while telling bedtime stories and giving them warm milk and cookies….come on get real or do all MJ fans accept pedophiles in general? maybe that is why he turned his faced towards the islam knowing nthat they accept child marriages god knows that their prophet had sexual intercourse with aisha when she was 9 and as so making sex with kiddies acceptable for them…one word comes to mind SICKO’S!!!

  49. WayDown says:

    Great comment “Polksalad”, only the truth.

  50. CM says:

    HERE ARE THE FACTS PEOPLE:

    MJ didn’t pay off the chandler family in 1993. Bcuz he was still in Europe in rehab at the time and was getting ready for a tour. His insurance company paid that family without MJ’s consent. They didn’t offer to pay them 20 mil, the family requested it.
    Janet Arviso, the mother of the 2nd accuser is a LIAR!She approached Larry Feldman, one of the attorneys who represented Jordan Chandler (first accuser) in 1993. She was intent on getting money because she went to an attorney before the police. The child psychologist Stan Katz told Santa Barbara sheriff’s investigator Paul Zelis that “Mr. Feldman actually referred these kids to me. Because they had come to him in this lawsuit.” It was also the same attorney who helped get an out-of-court settlement for Jordan Chandler for a reported $20 million. Feldman then sent the family to psychologist, Dr. Stan Katz, who was also the same psychologist that assisted the first accuser’s family to uncover whether there might have been sexual abuse. The accuser’s brother told him that he had witnessed Jackson touching his brother, after which Katz reported this to the authorities, as is compulsory for someone of his profession in such a case, being a “mandatory reporter of child abuse” although he later stated that in his opinion Jackson was not a pedophile but a regressed 10 year old. Bcuz the children had no signs of psychological trauma.

    Geraldine Hughes worked as secratary for Attorney Barry Rothman (search), who also represented the boy who accused Jackson of molestation in 1993. After the case was closed in 1993, she wrote a book called Redemption. She also went on an interview with Bill O’reily.

    HUGHES: Well, basically, I was on the inside. So I was able to witness behaviors. I was able to witness what was going on the inside. I knew from the very onset of the allegation that Michael Jackson was absolutely innocent and that it wasn’t a case..

    O’REILLY: All right? The biggest reason you felt Jackson was innocent was?

    HUGHES: I guess, if I were to give one — there were a lot — but I will try and pull one. Basically, it was — I actually recall the letter that went to Chandler, where he was advised about how to report child molestation by using a third party without liability to a parent. And that was like three weeks prior to the actual launching of the allegations.

    Back to Janet Arviso and y she is a LIAR! In August 1998 the Arvizo family was detained on a shoplifting charge at a J.C. Penney department store in West Covina, California. According to J.C. Penney, Gavin and Star Arvizo were sent out of the store by their father with an armload of stolen clothes, the family was detained and Janet started a “scuffle” with security officers. The shoplifting charge was dropped, but Janet filed a lawsuit for US $ 152,000, saying that when she was detained she was “viciously beaten” by three security officers, one of whom was female. The psychiatrist hired by J. C. Penney to evaluate Janet Arvizo found her to have rehearsed her children into supporting her story and to be both “delusional” and “depressed,” although Janet’s own doctor found her to be only the latter. More than two years after the original alleged incident Janet added a further charge that one of the male officers had “sexually fondled” her breasts and pelvis area for “up to seven minutes”.[7] Ultimately the department store settled out of court with the family for US $ 75,000. Later on, she was arrested of Welfare Fraud and trying to extort $ out of celebrities. Her victims include: Jay Leno, George Lopez, and Chris Tucker….who came and testified for MJ in court. Even her own husband was against her on the molestation charges. David Arviso said “My children are routinely rehearsed by their mother Janet to do or say whatever she wishes.”

  51. CM says:

    MJ had LOTS of children sleep in his bed, but only TWO said he “raped” them. During the 2005 trial however, Jordan Chandler fled the country to avoid testifying against MJ. His uncle Ray Chandler came out and said so himself. Plus, Gavin and his brother’s stories didn’t match at all. The accuser’s brother testified that on two occasions, from hiding and over the course of a few seconds, he had seen Jackson have outercourse with the sleeping accuser. This accounted for counts 4 and 5. Details of the sexual act on the second occasion contradict what the accuser’s brother told psychologist Katz, according to Katz’ testimony before the Grand Jury. He explained this by saying that there were actually three occasions. What made his testimonial weak was that the accuser’s brother admitted in court, that he walked in on Jackson performing the alleged molestation on his brother unnoticed, even while tripping the alarm system in the hallway leading to Jackson’s bedroom. He was the only witness to the alleged molestation, and that on both occasions the alarm to the bedroom went off and Michael Jackson apparently had not heard it. It was pointed out by the defense, that what the accuser’s brother said in court neither matched his words during an interview with the psychologist Stanley Katz nor his testimonial given in police interviews in 2003: Star Arvizo said in an interview with the psychologist Stanley Katz on May 29, 2003 he eye-witnessed how Michael Jackson placed his hand on his brother’s crotch, above his clothes. On July 7, 2003 during his first interview with sheriff’s investigators, Star’s story changed. He claimed during the first alleged incident Jackson placed his left hand under the front of his brother’s pajama pants. Star Arvizo tweaked his account for a third time in a police interview on August 13, 2003 when he claimed Jackson had placed his hand inside the front of his brother’s boxer short.
    During the alleged sexual incidents, Jackson wore underpants, and the accuser wore underpants or pajamas, and according to the accuser they were under the covers but according to his brother they were on top of the bed covers. On one brief occasion the accuser and his brother claimed they saw Jackson , but both boys described the incident differently. According to the brother, Jackson , but according to the accuser, Jackson only came up the stairs from the bathroom to the bedroom while unclothed, retrieved something and went downstairs. Despite being prompted by the prosecutor, the boy denied Jackson was in an aroused state, contradicting his brother. Also, the times and dates of when the alleged acts took place were not confirmed by either boys.

    Macaulay Culkin was a child actor. Phillip LeMarque stated that he once saw Jackson with his hand resting on the pants of Culkin when the two were playing video games. Adrian McManus said he only saw that once Jackson kissed Culkin on his cheek, and had his hand “kind of by his leg, kind of on his rear end.” Culkin appeared as a defense witness to refute their charges. Culkin denounced the molestation allegations as “absolutely ridiculous” and said that nothing inappropriate had happened, that he had never been improperly touched, touched in a sexual way by Jackson or molested by Jackson. Culkin testified that he slept in Jackson’s bed several times between the ages of 10 and 14, sometimes with other boys as well. He said the sleepovers weren’t planned and that he and others would just fall asleep when they were tired. Culkin was described as “calm” during an “aggressive” cross-examination. Him and Jackson have been friends for about 13 years. (The accusations in 1993 did not affect their friendship one bit!)

    Wade Robson confirmed that he had slept in the same bed with Jackson, but he denied that anything inappropriate ever happened, including inappropriate touching. Robson’s mother, Joy, admitted in cross-examination that her son went missing for three days with Jackson, causing the police to get involved. But, like the sleepovers, she was confident this was all innocent, and her son confirmed it. She said that she trusted Jackson and considered him to be a member of her family. Joy Robson testified that Jordan Chandler and his mother were often at Neverland when she and Wade were, and she felt that Chandler’s mother was a “gold digger” who treated Neverland as if it were her own and wanted to be its “mistress.” Robson’s sister Chantal testified that she had slept in Jackson’s room four times during her childhood with her brother and never witnessed anything inappropriate.

    Brett Barnes slept in the same room as Jackson for a year according to the testimony of Barnes’ sister, Karlee. Barnes testified that Jackson did not act inappropriately: “No, I wouldn’t stand for it.” Barnes’ mother Marie testified that nothing ever happened between her son and Jackson.

    Bob Jones, who worked for Jackson from 1987 to 2004, admitted in court that he never saw Michael Jackson acting inappropriately towards a minor. He also admitted that he wrote an email to his coauthor saying that he saw Michael Jackson lick Jordan Chandler’s head once but in court, under oath he stated he never saw such a thing, but that as he was going to write an expose regarding his former employer his material needed some sensationalism.

    This is how all the witnesses for the Prosecution were. People who had been fired by MJ and pissed bcuz of it. Infact, MJ’s former chef was found out to be a host of a porn site called Virtual Sin. That’s why MJ fired him, because he wasn’t a pedophile and greatly disagreed with the actions of his former chef.

  52. CM says:

    Polksalad, MJ never became a Muslim. When asked, he always said he believed in God and/or Jesus, he never said Allah. That is just another media lie.

  53. CM says:

    Geraldine HUGHES: But I will say this. I will say this. We have the finest police, law enforcement agency in the nation. There were four police agencies that went looking for evidence to corroborate with the little boy, and they found nothing. That really should be your biggest thing right there. The boy never saw MJ’s physical parts.

  54. CM says:

    On July 2, 1993, in a private telephone conversation, Chandler was tape-recorded as saying,

    There was no reason why he [Jackson] had to stop calling me…I picked the nastiest son of a bitch I could find [Evan Chandler’s lawyer, Barry Rothman], all he wants to do is get this out in the public as fast as he can, as big as he can and humiliate as many people as he can. He’s nasty, he’s mean, he’s smart and he’s hungry for publicity. Everything’s going to a certain plan that isn’t just mine. Once I make that phone call, this guy is going to destroy everybody in sight in any devious, nasty, cruel way that he can do it. I’ve given him full authority to do that. Jackson is an evil guy, he is worse than that and I have the evidence to prove it. If I go through with this, I win big-time. There’s no way I lose. I will get everything I want and they will be destroyed forever…Michael’s career will be over.[2]
    —Evan Chandler

    In the same conversation, when asked how this would affect his son, Chandler replied, “That’s irrelevant to me…It will be a massacre if I don’t get what I want. It’s going to be bigger than all us put together…This man [Jackson] is going to be humiliated beyond belief…He will not sell one more record”. The recorded conversation was a critical aspect of Jackson’s defense against the upcoming allegation made against him. He and his supporters argue that he was the victim of a jealous father whose only goal was to extort money from the singer.

    PEOPLE, do ur RESEARCH on the child rape accusations! Don’t give in to the media lie. It isn’t a matter of whether you prefer Elvis or not, this is different. It is condeming a man to hell without a single shred of evidence. It’s ok to prefer Elvis, but just because you prefer Elvis doesn’t make MJ a pedophile. U cannot use OJ simpson’s case to determine if MJ was guilty or not. That was a whole different case, different jurors, different witnesses.

  55. Victor says:

    This discussion about “sleeping with kids” makes me sick. SOme of these posters are talking with such specificity it makes me wonder how many of these folks ever entered MJ’s House or bedroom and slept with MJ to see what was happening in his bed!!!??
    It is insolent to assume a wrong-doing based on the fact that Children were allowed in MJs bed. Many posters here seem to emphasize that MJ himself admitted that children shared his bed and hence they have a point in destroying MJ’s legacy altogether and marking him as “P..” – I would even avoid the word – This is one of the most naive arguments one can expect to hear. Would MJ declare openly on global TV that yes children were in his bedroom at times, if there was a wrong-doing involved!!! Our opinions are formed by what we have seen in our own lives and possibly most of us can not understand what a clean affection to all children in the world may mean, but this is really a limitation on our part and nothing to do with MJ.
    So folks, please don’t impose your own sickness of mind or lack of understanding on the legacy of MJ. It is perfectly OK that a 40 year old man at times allows stranger’s kids in his bedroom (the strangers who by the way trusted him enough to send their kids to his place to begin with) can actually be perfectly OK and need not involve a wrong-doing. This can be simply like a grandfather taking care of neighbor’s kids and telling them stories while parents are away….I mean this is fabricated situation I am suggesting, but what is sickening to me is why it is such a big deal and why many of us have to assume that just because kids could enter MJ’s bedroom, some wrong-doing must be involved….In my view it is more like a question of appropriateness. Probably it may not have been very appropriate on the part of MJ to let it happen (based on our sick soceity’s norms, which fears and tries to destroy anything it does not understand (even if it is a superior notion to what is already understood), as our history tells us), but it can not destroy his legacy. At least, he was openly sharing the fact that sometimes kids were allowed in his bedroom and this also confirms that he had a very clear idea of what he was doing and a clean heart about it, with no reasons to hide anything.

  56. WayDown says:

    You say Victor “It is perfectly OK that a 40 year old man at times allows stranger’s kids in his bedroom” ? !!!

    NO IT’S NOT NORMAL ! Sick people !!!

  57. marty says:

    The difference is MJ never sold one billion records, Elvis did. Do the math, if mj’s biggest album is 50,000,000. and he only recorded 10 albums it doesn’t equal One Billion. 50.000.000. X 10 Albums = 500,000,000. And only one of MJ album sold 50,000,000. The rest of the nine sold much, much less. Elvis recorded way more albums then MJ and Elvis has sold over ONE BILLION Records worldwide according to Wikipedia. Plus no child ever accused Elvis as a child abuser, MJ faced a JUDGE for his accusation, then paid millions of Dollars to get out of the courtroom. Plus Elvis never had plastic surgery, MJ did, way too many times. Elvis was white and stayed white, MJ was black and used make up to give himself a white look. Elvis always gave live perfomanced, never lip synched, MJ since 1983 lip synched all of his performances and TV apperances. Elvis was a true performer, entertainer. MJ was a self promoter, amd marketer, lip synching disco dancer.

  58. DON COOPER says:

    Let me enlighten some of you that have been living under a rock. I’ve done a little research of my own about Elvis and Michael Jackson. First, the fact that Elvis was white in no way gave him a pass from anyone. He was treated terribly by the media and that’s putting it mildly. After Elvis died the bad treatment continued. There were people in the media (I wont name names) that said they were glad Elvis was dead. The treatment Michael got after he died was grandios by comparison. Second, I’ve seen countless hours of film footage of Elvis performing onstage and I’ve watched footage of countless black entertainers and none moved or danced like Elvis. Michael Jackson used some Elvis type moves in his arsenal. As far as the supposed broken records by Jay-Z, Madonna, Mariah Carey, etc., those records are whack to put it bluntly. Let’s start with Jay-Z. It is supposed that he tied or broke Elvis’ record for most solo number one albums. At last count Jay-Z has racked up 7 number one solo albums. The other four number 1 albums some give him credit for were collaborations between him and other artists thus disqualifing their status as solo number one albums. Also, there’s the little matter of Elvis’ 6 uncounted number 1 albums by Billboard Magazine. In 1957 because of the popularity of Extended Play Albums (EP) Billboard had to start a chart specifically for them. Elvis had four in the top ten, including one at number 1. That means Elvis has 16 number one albums and that’s not counting the number one albums on Billboard’s other charts and the Cashbox Charts. Also, who’s to say Elvis wont top the album charts again. He did it in 2002. Next on my list is Mariah “Payola” Carey. If you look closely at Miss Carey’s number one hits few attained that status through sales. By the mid-1990s Billboard had moved away from charting songs based mainly on sales and started charting songs combining sales with airplay with airplay getting top priority. Here’s where Carey got her nickname. Carey met former Sony President, Tommy Mattola in 1989 at a party where she passed him a demo to listen to. Tommy and Mariah were soon an item but Mattola was married at the time. It wasn’t long after that Carey became the new Mrs. Tommy Mattola. It was later found out that Miss Carey was getting an assist from increased airplay which got the notice of former New York governor, Elliot Spitzer. An investigation was conducted and it was dscovered Mariah Carey along with Madonna and others were paying radio stations or giving gifts to ensure them increased airplay. If you look at Elvis’ list of number 1 hits all were certified best-sellers. You can’t say the same concerning Carey’s number 1s. Then there’s the matter about Carey charting 18 number 1s to Elvis’ 17. The facts are, Elvis was stripped of recognition of several number one songs by Billboard Magazine a couple of years ago based on a chart name change (in 1958 the Top 100 became the Hot 100). Elvis is now listed as having 9 number one hits in Billboard Chart History, the only artist in Billboard history to have that happen. Not only did Billboard strip Elvis of recognition of those classics they refuse to recognize the fact that in 2oo2, 2003, 2004 and 2006 Elvis topped their single sales charts with “A LITTLE LESS CONVERSATION”, “RUBBERNECKING”, “THAT’S ALRIGHT” and “HEARTBREAK HOTEL” with the first two debuting at number 1. Look it up. I guess ELVIS PRESLEY ENTERPRISES refused to pay major radio stations. The truth is, Elvis has topped the singles sales charts 22 times beating the Beatles record of twenty. He even did so on the Beatles home turf. And that again is not counting his number ones on Billboard’s other charts as well as Cashbox. Madonna is the last on my list but not the least. She garnered her 36 top ten hits from the same source Miss Carey garnered her 18 number ones. In reality, Carey’s 18 number ones include 3 duets which means she has 15 solo number 1 hits, not 18. This leaves her 7 behind Elvis and 5 behind the Beatles. And again, who’s to say Elvis wont top the singles sales charts again. I love Jackson’s music but he’s left pretty far behind. In the U.K. and the U.S. alone Elvis racked up 31 number 1 songs with Jackson racking up only eighteen. Same thing in the number one albums department. Elvis wins there as well. I keep hearing the refrain of “THRILLER”. Facts are, if sales of every incarnation of the “SUN SESSIONS” album were counted together they would have sold more than “THRILLER”. This is not counting the ongoing sales of Elvis’ other albums racking up year after year. There is a website that lists all of Elvis’ number 1 singles and albums worldwide. It has Elvis’ number 1 hits in the neighborhood of over 70 and his number 1 albums standing at over 30. Jackson’s numbers doesn’t put a dent in the dirt. I also keep hearing the refrain of Jackson’s 13 Grammy’s. It is a well known fact that the Grammys discriminated against artists from Elvis’ era. It wasn’t until the late 1960s that the old guard was replaced and finally pop/rock/r&b/country artists were given fair treatment. Actually, Jackson owed his 13 Grammys to the sacrifices that artists like Elvis made. Another refrain I hear is Elvis didn’t write his own material. Using that, are we going to say then that recognition should be taken away from Jackson’s music with his brothers which he didn’t write? I’ve written and recorded music but that doesn’t make me a better artist than Elvis or more creative. I’ve done some researching and found out that Elvis produced and arranged more music than Jackson would ever come close to. Producing and arranging is part of the creative process. I’ve also found out that Elvis had done some writing and composing that he doesn’t get credit for because others like to take the credit for his success. Colonel Parker has said to be the reason Elvis hit the big time. The fact is, Elvis’ career was gaining momentum before Colonel Parker came along and was ready to go nova. Parker just went along for the ride. One thing I will give Jackson, he knew how to choreograph like hell. By the same token Elvis’ dancing onstage was no less impressive. Elvis just didn’t get a group of dancers to back him up like Jackson did and he didn’t plan his steps before he went on stage. Personally, I loved the artistry of both of these legends but Elvis wins hands down.

  59. CM says:

    WayDown
    U know, when I was younger, I’ve slept in beds with adults not related to me. My mother had friends that lived near the water. And when the hurricane hit, they came to stay with us. It was a small 4 bedroom house and there was already 7 people in my family alone. With the my mom’s friends and families, it was over 30 people. We all had to share beds. Some people even had to sleep on the floor. I was one of the lucky ones who got to sleep on the bed. The adults didn’t rape me or anything, they just told me to shut up and go to sleep. Even whenever I would go to my friends houses, we would all sleep in the same bed. Including the parents. Again, they didn’t rape me.
    I sleep in the same bed with a puppy, does that make me a dog molester? How about whenever I would let my teddy bear sleep in the same bed as me, does that make me a bear molster? NO! WayDown I get ur point, but you r wrong. I’m gonna be a future prosecutor of the sex crimes unit in my district. I’ve already started doing my research on rapists and pedophiles. Let me tell you, pedophiles don’t come on live TV and openelly declare how they allow children to sleep in their beds. Especially not after they have already been charged for pedophilia. =)

  60. CM says:

    BTW, Thriller sold has sold 110 million copies. This isn’t based on inflation, it is based on the World Music Awards. In 2006 MJ won an award for it =)

  61. CM says:

    Don Cooper
    MJ wasn’t all cheorography. That was Janet Jackson. MJ could go right on stage and bust a move on the spot. Go watch him with James Brown on stage. =)

  62. katty_gal says:

    HOLY SH**! I wrote this thing back in 2005 when I was a mere 15 year old. I didn’t even know I posted it as a topic and thought it was just a response to something. Its funny how it was blatantly ignored back then and now look at the amount of responses! (And dear god did my writing suck back then). Anyway I can’t believe my stupid death/appreciation prediction came true. I didn’t think it would be this early :( And I still think Michael and Elvis are similar in so many ways but maybe because I’m still emotional over Michaels death I can’t believe anyone could even attempt to argue that Elvis is better (even though yes I’m still a fan of his too). People who argue that have never seen Michaels rare concert footage or the Jacksons Variety hour or ANY rare stuff of his whatsoever!

  63. mjfanf4life says:

    OK! MJ WAS THE KING OF POP,ROCK,AND SOUL! ELVIS IS THE KING OF ROCK FOR A SHORT TIME! AFTER HE DIED MJ GOT THE THRONE OF KING OF POP,ROCK, AND SOUL!!!! NO ONE CAN BEAT MICHAEL! FACE IT!!!!!!! THE NUMBER OF SALES FOR JUST 3 MICHAEL JACKSON ALBUMS ARE OVER 120 MILLION COPIES OK!!!!! BAD, DANGEROUS, THRILLER, OFF THE WALL, HISTORY, AND INVINCIBLE WILL BE REMEMBERED FOREVER!!! ELVIS HAD LIKE 5 OR 6 GOOD SONGS AND ALL THE REST WERE AVERAGE OK!! I THINK I CAN COUNT OVER 30 AMAZING MICHAEL JACKSON SONGS!! HERE ARE A FEW OF THEM!! THRILLER,BAD, OFF THE WALL, WANNA BE STARTING SOMETHING, BEAT IT, BILLIE JEAN, MAN IN THE MIRROR(THE BEST SLOW SONGS MICHAEL SANG OR WROTE),HUMAN NATURE, SMOOTH CRIMINAL, ANOTHER PART OF ME, DIRTY DIANA, AND THAT’S ONLY THE THRILLER AND BAD ALBUM OK!!!! SO PLEASE STOP SAYING MJ WAS A PEDO U NO WHY????????? THE FIRST ACCUSATION WAS ADMITTED TO BE FALSE JUST TO EARN MONEY AND THE SECOND ONE WAS A RUMOR DONE BY THE SAME MEDIA PERSON THAT DID THE WACKO JACKO OK?? HE HAD VITILIGO OK!!! VITILGO CHANGES THE TONE OF THE SKIN AND THAT’S SOMETHING HE COULDN’T STOP!!!! HE ONLY HAD TWO PLASTIC SURGERIES ON HIS NOSE AND CHIN! (THE NOSE ONE HAPPENED CAUSE HIS DAD NICKNAMED HIM FAT NOSE)! SO I AM SICK AND TIRED OF PPL MAKING THESE SH** RUMORS OK!!! I HATE THE MEDIA!!! SO GUYS 45 YEARS OF WORK FOR MJ ONLY 23 PUNY YEARS FOR EP! THEY WERE BOTH KINGS IN THERE DAY! DURING ELVIS’S DAY HE WAS THE KING OF ROCK N ROLL! DURING MICHAEL JACKSON’S DAY (WHICH ALSO MEANS UNTIL JUNE 25TH) HE WAS THE KING OF ROCK,POP, AND SOUL AND WILL HAVE THAT THRONE FOR A WHILE CAUSE I SEE NO ONE! AND I MEAN NO ONE THAT CAN REPLACE OR BE BETTER THAN MICHAEL JOSEPH JACKSON! R.I.P. AUGUST 29TH 1958-JUNE 25TH 2009

  64. WayDown says:

    King of playbacks and junk electronic music.

    Elvis = The King
    Beatles = Kings of pop music

  65. July =) says:

    Elvis was a pioneer, the first great voice of rock, a minimum most of all, was the first mega-star that the world has ever seen. and was also the first man able to raise the booty to a form of art. Elvis was not a composer, but an interpreter. Some scholars say that a musician so intense he could not and should not take time off to compose. It was not necessary to be composer: Elvis was the rock!

    I’m 15 years and I love Elvis
    ELVIS NÃO MORREU, from Brazil !

  66. Sia says:

    Even if Michael never touched kids having kids in the same bed that’s not yours IS NOT ACCEPTABLE !
    I’m a huge Elvis fan and I believe that he was the bigger influence in music. Michael was a great performer with good lyrics but Elvis is still loved to this day and there’s a reasons why but I don’t have the time to list them but I’m sure you already know.
    No doubt that Michael is loved too and in his own right did do a lot for music BUT ELVIS was the kind of person people loved and could connect with and that showed through his music and that will be the difference in Michael being here for more then thirty years like Elvis. Like it or not ELVIS HAD EVERYTHING TO BE NAMED KING. He was smart, sexy, good looking, funny, giving, caring, talented, spiritual, charming, fun and lovable.
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  67. Sione says:

    I wasn’t even born when Elvis died but that had a bigger influence on me when Michael died. I was sad for a day and was over it when he died. I’m in my early twenties and adore Elvis and will continue to. It seems like Michael is already forgotten which is sad because he was a great entertainer but it just shows who was loved more.
    Elvis to this day is huge with millions still going to Graceland to see him. Michael is still loved and will have many fans dedicated to him but it’s not to Elvis status and never will be.

  68. Shamz says:

    Sione, you said: “It seems like Michael is already forgotten which is sad because he was a great entertainer but it just shows who was loved more.”

    I’m not sure what planet you’re living on. Turn on any popular music channel. Go to any club or party. Tell me what records they are playing and what video’s they are showing…. because it isn’t Elvis.

    The debate here in this thread shows a lot of ignorance… both from MJ and EP fans. If you want to compare facts, do it within context. For example, compare 10 albums to 10 albums. Or 10 singles to 10 singles. Or even better, compare how many records were sold for a certain time period (say 10 year of Elvis and then 10 years of MJ in their peak). Then you can boast about who sold more.

  69. WayDown says:

    “Shamz”, what the hell are you talking about? I will even not waste my time with you but will give you few info! “It’s now or never” sold 25 million in 1960 ! The times ware harder and teens had no money comparing to today’s to buy records. The planet was less than 3 billion and medias were divided by 1000 ! 25 million is for 1 song not for an album! Aloha from Hawaii was done in 1973, a period where ONLY big big events could be transmitted by satellite (NOWAY for musical concerts!), no other artist could dream to have that show in 1973. MJ could not even dream to have that favor in the 80’s! Don’t even compare a super star like MJ with the man who changed the planet! If the King didn’t shake his legs in the 50’s, MJ couldn’t touch his balls in the 90’s! The king wrote the book and opened the door for ALLLLLL the artists (black or white). Some great artists are grateful to the King and others like MJ jealous (“They call him the King, why not me” Michael Jackson) !!!

    For information, I’m not a 60 years old white American :o) I’m from Asia, I’m 32 years old, and I adore the King who has gone for 33 years now!

  70. Victor says:

    Guys,
    MJ just did not belong to this planet. Like Kenny Ortega said, he was an angel who walked on this planet ; And we are lucky for that…I accept this description more than sick and idiotic comments trying to humiliate MJ. MJ was indeed magic personified. Such a soulful style and such energy was neither seen before nor will be seen again. MJ was not just the greatest entertainer of modern times who walked this Earth, but he was an extraordinary human being too. As a matter of fact I love Elvis’s music too (coming back to original theme of the article), however MJ was magic and he stands at a level where I don”t even dare compare him with anyone….with no disrespect to other greats….
    RIP MJ

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  73. Simon says:

    DHIG are you in some kind of mental institution? If not, please have yourself admitted at once! And stay off that Propophol. Elvis had more talent and charisma in his pinky than that freak MJ had in his entire black? white? body. Elvis was and is known all over this world, ever since the Fifties and has sold more records than anyone ever will. He Started Pop music and has got a following that is flabbergasting. 33 years after his death he STILL fills auditoriums all over the world with his backing group and Elvis on the screen. Will this happen in 33 years with MJ? You know the answer.
    In 2 years MJ will be all over, well, actually he already was over about 15 years when he died, but his death prolongued it a bit. Elvis is the ONLY king of pop music. And don’t you just love it. Long live the real king of pop/rock/country/easy listening you name it :)

  74. Simon says:

    @mjfanf4life

    MJ had a string of only a few popular albums. He was very popular from let’s say 1979 to 1987. After that it was all downhill. For the last 13 years or so of his life all that he stood for was being a freak, a man who admitted to sleeping with little boys, and a has-been. He didn’t score a hit the last decade he lived.
    In Europe where I live he was and still is a big joke.
    And he will be forgotten in a couple of years. His death for a short time put him back in the forefront but that’s already subsided.
    Elvis on the other hand is and remains popular, 33 years after his death! 600.000 people tour his house EVERY year. There is not a person on this earth who doesn’t know Elvis *his first name is more than enough for people*

    MJ invented his own title, king of pop, joke of the century. When people called Elvis the king, this very modest man said: there is only one King and his name is Jesus. I think that says it all. The REAL great ones don’t come up with their own titles….
    Long live the real king of pop/rock etc. ELVIS.

  75. cathy says:

    Palma
    You say Michael needed internet and MTV to be a superstar. Have you ever heard of the Jackson 5? They were superstars after they came out. They had their first four songs all go number 1 consecutively. No other artist has been able to do that. So he was a star since age 11 and was singing on the chitin circuit since he was 5. People said he was an old soul because he could sing a song like he was a 40 year old man who had been living soul. Just listen to him singing ‘Who’s Lovin You.’

  76. cathy says:

    I know Elvis was big and I will even say that he still is but Michael reigns supreme.

  77. cathy says:

    People here on this fourm have repeatedly said that Elvis slept in the same bed with Pricella and never did anything outside of marriage. Well why not say the same thing about Michael he slept ON THE FLOOR NEXT TO THE BED where the children slept so why can’t Michael do the same. Also why he let children sleep in his bed he was raised that you offer up your bed to guests.
    Michael never did anything wrong with any child. It never was in his heart to hurt anyone let alone a child. All you people that say he did well I feel sorry for you. Because you believe everything you read. I am sure if the paper said the world was going to end tomorrow you would believe it or that Santa Claus was real.
    The tabloids made millions of dollars off the torture they put Michael through. I do not believe anything tabloids say about anyone. The only thing I believe is what comes out of the person’s mouth or he/she has written themselves.

  78. cathy says:

    Marty
    Of course Elvis sold more records he has been around longer and has more albums out then Michael. The reason for this is Michael put his heart and soul into his music if it was not perfect he did not release it. Simple as that.
    I am not going to even discuss the trial, allegations, what money was paid to who and for what. Anyone with a brain and uses it knows that Michael never did anything inappropriate with any child. There has been many on this forum who have explained many many times why he never could or would do that. But no one wants to listen, believe the truth. The people that see Michael as a P… are sorry excuses for human beings. If he had been convicted I would be right with you. BUT HE WAS NOT get it through your thick skulls. And stop this nonsense about well OJ got off so Michael did because he hired the same lawyers. That is just idiot talk.
    As for the claim that Michael wanted to be white that is a bunch of bull. He had a skin disorder say it with me VITILIGO. It takes the pigmentation out of the skin. As for him using make-up yes he did to help even out his skin color.
    As for Michael lip synching that is a bunch of bull. Here is evidence that he does not lip sych.

    youtube.com/watch?v=I3QxpzZ_6uo&feature=PlayList&p=D644C3CBDA53286C&playnext_from=PL&index=4
    This was back in 2002 and in the middle of the song he was out of breath and it shows. I don’t know about Elvis and his stage presence or how well he performed on stage so I will not comment on that but I will comment that Michael wove magic every time he stepped on stage. Just watch any of his concerts.

  79. cathy says:

    Don Cooper
    It really does not matter if Elvis put out mor4e music had more number 1’s and so on. He may he may not have. If you really want to talk about sales the Beatles have sold more records worldwide then Elvis or Michael. Oh and for your information Michael is the best selling male artist worldwide.

    Thankfully IFPI Has Made It Clear ‘Sales-wise’

    The ongoing claims & counter-claims made by fans have really made things confusing thankfully no less than the IFPI has set the record/s straight. As of November 2005, IFPI has released its official updated figures for the ‘World’s Biggest Selling Artists’ which is the cumulative total of both singles & albums. This list is not absolute but it is the most accurate list of global coverage. According to the list The Beatles (400 million+) & Michael Jackson (350 million+) are comfortably ahead of the pack with Elvis Presley (300 million+) & Madonna (295 million+) slugging it out for the 3rd position.

    Madonna’s ‘Confessions’ has sold approximately 5.5 million and ‘Hung-Up’ has sold already approximately an additional 3 million copies. Hence, Madonna’s total now probably stands at 303.5 million+ already & she would have replaced Elvis Presley at the No.3 position. This is highly possible since Elvis hasn’t released a new album (aside from catalogues which Madonna also has) after November 2005 which would have made a significant impact on his total.

    Among the Top 5, Madonna is the only actively recording artist so she may still move up the charts in the coming years. This official list by IFPI will be published & shall dispel rumors about absurd sales stated by record companies solely for promotional purposes.
    Hopefully this information will put to rest a lot of tireless discussions about who is the biggest selling male, female etc.

    At least now the titles are clear:
    Madonna is the ‘Biggest Selling Female Artist In History’
    Michael Jackson is the ‘Biggest Selling Male Artist In History’
    The Beatles is the ‘The Biggest Selling Act & Group In History’

    If Elvis produced and arranged more songs then Michael show me the proof. As for Michael knowing exactly what he is going to do when he danced meaning he choreographed everything he did that is just plain wrong. Yes he choreographed certain songs that he danced with other dancers but the other times he just went where the music told him to go. For example when he did Billie Jean on Motown 25 he did not know what steps he was going to do that night. The only thing was planned was him doing the moonwalk. Also when he performed with his brothers on the 30th anniversary special he had said that he just danced with the music it was not planned except what moves he did with brothers

  80. WayDown says:

    The joke of the year 2010 :

    MJ best selling male artist in history :o)

    Sales who have jumped from 250 million to 750 million from 2006 to 2009 :o)

  81. cathy says:

    You can’t argue with stats. I know no one wants to except that Michael is actually bigger then other singers.

  82. Meme says:

    Cathy a little advise for you. Why argue with bigots.Hands down for WayDown,Polksalad and the lot.If you had to dig deep and investigate their lives I wonder what you would fine. “He that is without sin cast the first stone”and you will observe that people in glass houses love to cast stones.They accuse Micheel but forall we know these people coulds for e.g be murderers. One never know. Like them we can only assume.

  83. cathy says:

    Meme
    I understand what you are saying. But when someone attacks someone as good as Michael and especially since he is no longer able to defend himself I feel it is my duty as a fan to do so.
    Everyone wants to condemn Michael for something he never did. The courts said so and common sense also does. All he ever wanted to do was bring happiness to others through his music and dance as well as help the less fortunate. Children who were ill he gave them a chance to be a kid for at least a day. Plus he wanted to bring peace to the world as well as save the planet.
    Why is that so bad? And you know what he was able to forgive all the people who tried to destroy him and had love for everyone in his heart even the ones who hurt him. I don’t know if I could do that. He is a very special person. And I miss him.

  84. Roma says:

    They were both Kings.

    When will people accept that?

    And yes, it’s unacceptable to play the molester card regarding Michael Jackson, when debating which of these titans can or should claim Kingship.

    Anyone who has researched even moderately into the scandals of 1993 and 2005 – knows they were extortion scams.

    And BTW, not that it matters – as I have previously mentioned both men were, and are, in my opinion, legends – Elvis had a chronic drig habit when he died.

    Lets remember both of them at their height, when the world was theirs and they were beautiful – and stop damning the dead.

    It’s unworthy.

  85. cathy says:

    Roma
    You are so right. I never said that Elvis was not a legend. Both were and there will never be another Elvis or Michael Jackson.
    What really pisses me off is people who continue to talk trash about Michael. He has passed just leave him alone. Please!

  86. chaelle says:

    i think people should got a second change in their life to change if you gave up on them it is like you gave up on you. I was listening to Michael Jackson the king of pop I love him because he is not a bad father, son, brother etc.also have make great song evening he die he will stay be the king of pop no one can take his place because he work hard to reach where he is . rememeber Michael Jackson is just a human like us he have a life. God gave him a gift and it gave us his gift. MJ life was hard and to me he never have a great childhood. listen if you you don’t
    those you talk bad stuff because sick my di** and you just a hater

  87. WayDown says:

    MJ a good father? A father who shared his bed with stranger’s children playing house/house at the age of 40 !
    You can talk about his artistic talents but please don’t give your opinion about his weird personal life. If ANYONE else (including me and you) had done the half of his mistakes, we would finish our life in jail. That’s the reality and you must be a big fanatic to deny this.

    In France, and adult man can have big problems with the police if he touches a stranger’s kid, I’m not even talking about spending many nights in the same bed!

  88. cathy says:

    Waydown
    Listen he never touched any child inappropriattly. Sure he made some bad deciosns. But he is human after all. He just wanted to experience what he never got to experience as a child. He wanted to know what it is like to be a child not a star who couldn’t do what a regular child could do. He may have gone about it the wrong way but that does not make him a bad person. Remember he was aquitted of all charges of molestion in a court of law. Plus the boys who accused him have now stated that they lied about what went on. People just tried to use him for money.

    As for being a good father. I believe he was one of the best fathers that I have ever seen. He tried to give them as normal a childhood that he could give them. He tried to protect them from the press by covering their faces then when they went out to the movies or do other things in public no one would know who they were and they were able to be just like any other child. He loved them from the day they were born. He fed them changed their diapers he did everything for those kids. Above and beyond what a father usually does with a child and for a child. They loved him with all their hearts and he taught them to be polite to be grateful for what they had and not to take anything or anyone for granted plus he made sure they were not like regular snotty kids of celebrities who thought everything was theirs because they were who they were. He raised his children rather then working on albums, going on tour and the like. He put his career on hold til his kids were older. He said one of the reasons he was doing this last tour he was because he wanted his kids to see him perform. He knew they were old enough to appreciate what he did and he was young enough to do it. Yes he had a nanny who helped but for the most part he was the one who raised them and he loved them more then life itself. So don’t you ever say he was a bad father.

  89. ffddfgd says:

    I do not care what all you white thrash rednecks say MJ is the real King, just ask the WORLD and note the US. Everyone with a brain who has done their won research knows he had vitiligo and he was not a pedo. Long Live the REAL King.

  90. ffddfgd says:

    And for all the moronic Elvis fans here, don’t even get me started on Elvis and Priscilla and the other young girls that lived in his house, or the incest with his mother. And it funny that you should say MJ was bad father, at least he was not letting his daughter come into bed with him when he had random women in ther, at least he was not shooting at the TV in her presence, at least MJ never raped the mother of his children, at least MJ never got so high that when he got to his daughter’s roon he would fall face down to the ground and she would try to catch him. At least when MJ was accused he went to court and fought the charges while Elvis could hardly handle a tell all book and went and sat on the toilet and you know what happened next. You moronic old Elvis fans anre the last people that should be spewing such venom and yet you do. Yall need to get a life seriously.

  91. WayDown says:

    Pedo and sick, nothing else.

  92. cathy says:

    Michael is the best. The King of Music not just Pop.

  93. cathy says:

    Waydown
    I noticed your comment yesterday but would not get into an argument with you about Michael on that sad day. But today I will.

    Please show me some proof of this supposed pedoness and sickness that you claim Michael had. I have not seen a piece of evidence to support that laim claim. He was aquitted of all charges

  94. cathy says:

    so just let it go.

  95. Simon says:

    Here’s just one difference: :)

    Fans mark anniversary of Michael Jackson Death:

    Early this morning however only 30 fans lined up outside Forest Lawn cemetery to visit Michael Jackson’s grave site on the one-year anniversary of his death. Some had been there since 3am, even though the cemetery does not open until 8 a.m.

    This was a marked contrast in numbers to similar devoted fan tributes to Elvis Presley, where 50,000 fans have been known to gather at Graceland – Presley’s Memphis home – to mourn the singer’s passing decades after his death on August 16th 1977.

    30 fans after one year, ouch, Elvis’ memorial still attracts tens of THOUSANDS 33 years after his death.
    That’s because Elvis was the REAL King and MJ a fabricated and self-proclaimed one.

    Cheers,
    Simon

  96. Simon says:

    ffddfgd you seem to know a lot about Whacko Jacko, can you tell me if he was buried with or without his nose? Just wondering. Thanks.

  97. Simon says:

    And you know why Americans will ALWAYS see Elvis as the real King of Pop Music? Because he was someone to be proud of. He was a red blooded All American guy, and well let’s face it, what was Whacko Jacko? A negro who didn’t want to be black, a homo-sexual, a pedophile, a cissy girl altogether. If you think he’s still popular across the States just go and do some research. Walk into any Texan bar and see who they like more :) The King or Whacko Jacko.

    Americans like real men, like John Wayne and Elvis, not some shrieking nancy boy.

  98. cathy says:

    Simon Simon Simon
    You need to read past the first paragraph. You see that was just the start of the day at Forest Lawn. Also there were many more places fans paid tribute to Michael. Here are just a few.

    Just one year after Michael Jackson’s death caused a worldwide outpouring of shock, tears and tributes, the anniversary of his passing was being marked Friday on a quieter scale, as fans remembered their fallen King of Pop with vigils, prayer and, of course, music.

    Some radio stations woke up listeners to Jackson’s music; on U.S. television, all the major networks devoted a portion of their morning news programs to Jackson and more coverage was expected during prime-time hours. Events were planned across the globe, from Tokyo to New York.

    Forest Lawn was to be just one of the many places where Jackson’s fans would gather to remember their hero.

    Barricades were set up early at the Los Angeles-area cemetery for the throng of fans and Jackson family members expected to arrive later on Friday. Five large wreaths of flowers and dozens of bouquets, drawings and photos of Jackson had been placed outside his private mausoleum.

    Evdokia Sofianou, 46, and her 9-year-old daughter, Rebecca, traveled from Athens, Greece, to pay their respects.

    “I came because I love Michael very much,” Sofianou said Thursday night. “I came to grieve.”

    On Friday in Japan, hundreds of fans met at Tokyo Tower to honor Jackson with a candlelight vigil, a gospel concert and more. Some got a chance to see a collection of his possessions, including costumes from his tours and even a 1967 Rolls-Royce Phantom that he used to drive around Los Angeles.

    About 50 guests paid $1,100 each to sleep overnight at the Tokyo landmark, where they had catered food, watched a gospel choir, looked at Jackson memorabilia and danced to Michael Jackson’s music before observing a period of silence as the sun rose.

    But not every event was to be somber. On Friday evening, DJ Jon Quick was to spin Jackson tunes at the club Taj in Manhattan for a festive affair.

    “They want to celebrate his life and music,” Quick said of the expected partygoers. “His albums are like timelines in your life. You can remember what you were doing … when ‘Thriller’ came out.”

    In Gary, Ind., Jackson’s hometown, there was to be a tribute at the family home; city officials said they expected Jackson’s mother, Katherine Jackson, and his niece, Genevieve Jackson, to show up, along with thousands of others.

    His brother Randy Jackson was hoping to make the official family commemoration at Forest Lawn on Friday morning.

    “My family and I will be in attendance as we mourn the loss of my brother,” he said in a statement Thursday. Katherine Jackson has also thrown her support behind a “Forever Michael” fan event to be held Saturday at the Beverly Hilton hotel in Los Angeles. Tickets range from $150 to $500.

    The Apollo Theater in Harlem, where a young Michael Jackson and his brothers won amateur night, was to host a commemoration of Jackson’s life in front of a recently installed plaque honoring the King of Pop in the theater’s new hall of fame.

    And later in the afternoon in Harlem, around the hour of Jackson’s death, the Rev. Al Sharpton and his National Action Network were to hold a moment of silence.

    So fans are not going to one specific place to remember him but all over from Japan to New York to LA to Gary and so on. Sorry to disappoint but Michael Jackson is the the King of Music period.

  99. cathy says:

    Simon
    Now I know what the matter is with you. You are a redneck right? Now that I know this information I will give you a little slack. You see something one way and that is it. You are racist and believe that white people are superior. You can believe whatever you like. But I am going to correct you so that anyone who may come behind us can read and learn the truth.

    Michael was black and was proud of it. The only reason his skin was becoming paler and paler was because he had vitiligo. This is a skin disorder which kills the pigmentation of a person’s skin in turn creating white splotches on the person’s skin. He used makeup to hide the splotches. And if you still don’t believe that then read the autopsy report it confirms that he had this condition.

    He was no homosexual. His ex wife your own King’s daughter said he was hot in bed, a wonderful lover with a very high sex drive. That does not sound like a gay guy to me.

    He was no pedophile either. Only a person with a dirty mind would believe that. He would never hurt a child like that.

    Now as for being a ‘sissy’ boy. He was not the most masculine fellow in the world. He was a very sensitive person which his female fans thought to be mighty sexy. Try it sometime. Though true sensitivity a woman can spot a mile away.

    Elvis is good. I am not trying to take away anything from him but Michael is better. He was so good at so many things from singing, dancing, songwriting, producing and so many other things.

  100. WayDown says:

    MJ never wrote a song in his life! MJ couldn’t play 3 chords on a guitare or a piano! MJ stole his dance moves from other poor black artists… In conclusion, MJ was a very good dancer, that’s all. Oh I forgot his girly voice and his playback concert :o()

    By the way, I was really surprised on the 25th of June (even the days after). I watched the news on 8pm and nothing on MJ on French TV! Few programs on the cable at night (after 11pm)… And once again, they talked about his skin and his strange life with little boys. Like they used to do before his death!

    This guy was so jalous of Elvis and did all his possible to touch (only touch!) the King but he couldn’t succeed. The King had the complete package in the 70’s.

  101. Simon says:

    Cathy, now that’s where you are wrong. Why do you accuse me of being racist? What did I say that provoked that insult?
    You are right Elvis was good and yes he was so much bigger than MJ, or any other artist for that matter. All great musicians have said so through the years, so I am not making things up. Elvis’ following even 33 years after his death still dwarfs the following of MJ who’s been dead for only one year….

    As for Lisa Marie saying those things about MJ in bed are fabricated, she said they never consumed their marriage…

    And apart from the fact that MJ was a homosexual and pedophile, I’m not taking anything away from his artistry, he was just not in the same league as Elvis, the real and only king of pop music.

  102. Kisha says:

    I love Michael… But 1st I am a mother!!! People keep posting about him being a child molester, Where were these kids parents??? I think it was all for MONEY!! There is no way I would leave my children with a male or female that is not related or a day care provider. People say they wouldn’t pay for things they didn’t do… what is your time worth??? He could have spent months or years in court battles or write a check to the childs parent that left the child there with him???

    Can any of you stop and think and BLAME the parents???

    I have nothing bad to say about either person.

  103. Simon says:

    Waydown, you are so right about MJ being jealous of Elvis, he stated several times that he didn’t understand why Elvis was still more popular than him, even after he died, he couldn’t stand that fact!

    And that is exactly why:

    He bleached his skin, thinking that he had to be a white man to beat Elvis the King.

    He proclaimed HIMSELF king of pop.

    Why he married Lisa Marie Presley, hoping that some of the Presley magic would rub off on him.

    All to no avail of course, Elvis remained more popular and the rightful King of Pop Music, even in death.
    He just couldn’t stand it, it ate at him. He should have just been happy that he was such a popular entertainer and have realized that he Never could have beaten Elvis, there is and always be only ONE real king of pop, and everyone realizes it’s Elvis Aaron Presley.

    Have a happy.

  104. Aneres says:

    bill, the dude that said Michael created the title of King of Pop. THAT IS NOT TRUE.

    Elizabeth Taylor gave him that title and it stuck. Just like he never named the move “The Moonwalk”, the media/fans did and it stuck.

    With Michael, the families wanted money. If your kid was hurt by someone like that, would you want money? HELL NO. You want them dead. So I 100% believe Michael never did anything but them those people with their medical problems for their child and they stabbed him in the back because the father wanted to make another movie (He created Robin Hood: Men In Tights, which is forever tainted for me).

    Elvis he raped his wife which helped her make up her mind about leaving him. (didn’t help she was screwing around on him) but that doesn’t matter. You don’t rape your spouse. No is no.

  105. Aneres says:

    Please, they may or may not have sex but Priscilla said he groomed her on how to please him in other ways. That’s still a peddie. If you go by some other person’s book, they were having sex on their second date.

  106. cathy says:

    Waydown’
    I don’t understand why you can’t seem to give MIchael his dues. He wrote a lot of his own songs once he got out on his own. He wrote songs for other artists even for movies.

    He wrote three songs on ‘Off The Wall’. Two songs for Paul Mccarty that he sang with him. Wrote four songs on ‘Thriller.’ He wrote nine of the eleven songs on ‘Bad’. He wrote 12 of the 14 songs on ‘Dangerous’. He wrote twelve of the fifteen songs on the second disc on ‘History’. He wrote fourteen of the sixteen songs on ‘Invincible.’ Plus many more songs. He had said he wrote at leasst 100 songs per album and the unused ones went into his vault.

    He didn’t play instrutments pirofessionally. Although I do believe he knew how to play the piano, guitar, and drums.

    As for him stealing moves from other poor black artists. I would like to know which artitits these would be. Now he did imitate Jackie Wilson and James Brown but he added his own moves blending them making something totally his own. As for the moonwalk he said he got it from the black kids in th gehto. He got them to teach it to him then he perfected it. So it was a street dance to start with.

    I don’t see where you get Michael was jeolous of Elvis. Elvis was not even someone he looked up to. He said in his autobiogphy that Elvis was just NOT someone who influenced him. So why would he be jeolous of Elvis it does no make since.

    Now you seem to think that Elvis was the complete package. If it was then it was an awful little pacakage. Elvis was good in the 50’s and 60’s. Not in the 70’s. Elvis sung what othrs told him to sing He didn;t write his songs and he didn’t really dance either.

  107. cathy says:

    Simon
    Elvis brought ‘black music’ out into the light. He was a good singer but he was not better then Michael. I would like to understand how you can say that Elvis was in a bettter leage then Mihcael. Michael wrote songs, sang, danced and created things that Elvis could not even imagine let alone do.

    As for what Lisa Marie said it was not fabricated. It was her own words are you telling me you don’t believe your own king’s daughter.

    At Neverland, the two walked hand in hand and then kissed at the top of the Ferris wheel.

    She slept with him in his bedroom. For Michael, it was the first time he had experienced such chemistry with a woman.

    He seemed unable to contain his laughter. ‘I’ve never known a person like her,’ he said.

    He and Lisa appear to have had an intense and active sex life. She told a friend that he was ‘hot stuff in bed’ and ‘amazing’ – and she should know, the friend added, because ‘she’s been around’.

  108. cathy says:

    Simon
    Please show me where Michael said he didn’t understand why Elvis was more popular. I have never seen him say that.

    How many times do I need to say this. Michael never bleached his skin. He had vitiligo. Which was stated in the autopsy.

    He DID NOT proclaim himself the King of Pop. His friend Elisabeth Taylor did. She called him that when she was presenting him with an award. The fans just took it to another level.

    He married Lisa because he loved her however strange that may seem,.

    I don’t see Michael caring who is bigger him or someone else. He knew that it is the fans who make you and break you.

  109. WayDown says:

    For Cathy :

    1) They call him “the King”, why not me?
    “Michael Jackson”

    2) The first guy who did the moonwalk was Cab Calloway (1932!!!), MJ didn’t take that move from the streets! At least Elvis used to respect artists on live concerts by giving their name and by telling who have composed that song.

    3) If you think that Petter Pan could have a normal sexual life with women than you’re a weird person too!

    4) “Elvis was good in the 50’s and 60’s. Not in the 70’s”? No Cathy no, if today we are still talking about the King, it’s because of his comeback. Elvis reached the perfection from 1968 to 1975. Aloha from Hawaii watched by the planet was in 1973! And let me tell you this, the old Elvis fans are more 50’s, but the young generation (like me and many millions on our planet) are seventies fans.

    5) About vitiligo, his nose had vitiligo too? And his hairs? His mounth? MJ did not only change his color, all the possible was done on him to eliminate black man trace.

    6) MJ never ever wrote a song. I watched a documentary on him and he was talking to his musicians to change some notes/chords. He never had a musician language (“remove the #”, “do it in A major”, “try a A diminished”, …), no with MJ was (“do it like this”, “do it like that”, “do it like hum hum ha ha”, …). This is not a musician language! I’m a guitare player and I know what I’m talking about.

    Voilà :o)

  110. cathy says:

    WayDown
    I don’t know where that supposed quote came from but that does not show him calling him the King. You need to go to youtube.com/watch?v=iqAwuzNEAK4&feature=PlayList&p=66F9AFA969EFC8A3&playnext_from=PL&index=26

    This shows you how Michael got the title of King of Pop it was actually King of Pop Rock and Soul. The fans just shortened it to King of Pop.

    Now as for Cab Callaway doing the moonwalk first I can’t talk on that cause I don’t know anything about that. Maybe he did maybe he didn’t. Either way that is not where Michael got the move. He explained about the moonwalk in his book ‘Moonwalkk’ on page 210.

    Now the Moonwalk was already out on the streets by this time, but I enhanced it a little when I did it. It was born as a break-dance step, a ‘popping’ type of thing that black kids had created dancing on street corners in the ghetto. Black people are truly innovative dancers they create many of the new dances pure and simple. So I said, “This is my chance to do it,” and I did it. These three kids taught it to me. They gave me the basics and I had been doing it a lot in private. I had practiced it together with certain other steps. All I was really sure of was that on the bridge to “Billie Jean” I was going to walk backward and forward at the same time, like walking on the moon. (Moonwalk p 210)

    I believe what the actual person says about themselves not what people who know nothing about a relationship but wants a sensational story may say. Both Michael and Lisa have stated they had a very active sex life that is good enough for me.

    I can’t blame you for standing up for your King just like I stand up for mine. Elvis is a good singer. But that is all. He is the King of Rock and Roll. I will give you that. But Michael is King of Pop and James Brown is the Godfather of Soul.

    He did nothing to erase his blackness. He had no control over the vitiigo he had. It took the pigmentation from his skin. His skin was so white it was like chalk. It did not just take pigmentation from his skin but from his lips any color he had it took it. As for the hair remember he had severe burn to his scalp in the 80”s because of that he did not have a lot of hair. As for the nose he did not like the shape of it. He was teased by his father when he was young saying he had a big nose. Because of this he always thought he was ugly so he tried to change the shape of his nose. What makes a person a certain race is not the color of their skin but what is inside of them.

    Just like if a white person is in an accident and in it they are burned black on most of their body they wouldn’t stop being white just because there skin happens to be black now.

    Now go and listen to the youtube.com/watch?v=9G9Su_yJAWY&feature=PlayList&p=8C53B3EA59702CA3&playnext_from=PL&index=75

    Listen to all of the videos and it will help you learn how Michael wrote his songs. Just because he did not write in notes that does not mean he did not write and compose his songs. There are a lot of singers who don’t know how to read music Paul McCartney for instance.

  111. Robyn says:

    Elvis was awesome… Jailhouse Rock is my all time favorite Elvis song, but for me…

    MICHAEL JACKSON IS MY MUSICAL ALPHA & OMEGA. THERE’S NO OTHER. Period.

    May they both rest in peace… except you Michael. You will be resting in peace… until I get there.

  112. WayDown says:

    For Cathy :

    Elvis King of Rock and Roll? Are you ok? What a shame for Elvis! Give that poor title to C berry or L Richard! You can’t give the title of King of Rock and Roll to a man who could sing any kind of music and like a God !

    No comment on MJ’s color and sexual life. I have already given you some proofs, but as a fan you will always deny it (even proofs). Even a 5 years old baby can notice that this guy did not only change his color but everything which reminds a black man! Anyway…

    About song writing. Are you ok to compare Paul McCartney to MJ? :o() Paul was a musical genouis and could write notes by playing tenis at the same time! Don’t give your opinion if you don’t know the subject! Paul was even stronger than J Lennon! Lennon used to write only the melodies and Paul did the arrangement (melody too)! And when I play some Beatles stuff on my guitare, I can see and respect Paul’s work (complicated chords, polyphony, …).

    I’m a 70’s Elvis fan but at least I have lot of respect for the Beatles because like the King, they changed history by bringing a lot to the music. Without Elvis no Beatles (no MJ, no Madonna, …nothing), without the Beatles, no 70’s Elvis and no complicated music. Beafore the Beatles, music (even black people music) was 3 chords!

    Music = The King + The Beatles

    Other are imitators.

    Oh I forgot, MJ never composed a song in his life. Without knowing notes, that’s impossible. Even if you use computer to simulate sounds by generating melody/notes, you will have problems then to arrange that melody. There are some musical rules to put chords on a melody, if you don’t know music, you just can not do it! MJ was just a good dancer, and a huge marketing expert.

  113. cathy says:

    You believe your Elvis is all but a God and to you he is.

    Michael was all but a God to me along with other Michael fans. Lets agree to disagree. You see you tell me that you have proof of certain things as do I but apparently neither one of us take what we are presenting as truth.

    Lets just say both performers are larger than life and love by their fans,

  114. WayDown says:

    Cathy I didn’t want to say that Elvis is God, I have just gave an example by saying that he could sing any kind of music like a God.

    And you’re right too by saying that both performers were larger than life, but only two artists changed the history of music. Before Elvis music was soft (D Martin, B Crosby, Sinatra,…), Elvis brougth “violence” to the music, he created the rock style. Before Elvis, singers used to be in costumes and sing like momies. Elvis was the creator of ROCK music, without Elvis, artists today were still singing in costumes by clicking fingers. This fact was admited by, U2, E John, the Beatles, B Springsteen, Rolling Stones, Deep Purple, … admited by all the rock giants.
    And of course the Beatles who raised the rock music level to make it rich and complicated.

    Ang to appriciate the real King, you must listen to the 70’s (69 to 75).

  115. Rachel says:

    ermm I haven’t read them all but I’ve read a lot, and I’m an Elvis fan, just to get it said straight away/

    Whats annoying me is that a lot of people are saying that Elvis is a pedophile because he was with a 14 year old girl. That is incorrect. They met through Priscilla’s parents and Priscilla herself, says they did not have sex until they were married three years later.

    That has been covered here, but I don’t think the fact that the same thing happened with Michael Jackson has. He was introduced to Lisa Marie when she was only seven, by Elvis. Jackson was 17 at the time and if you change Lisa Marie’s age, so that she’s 14, Jackson would be 24. That is almost exactly the same age gap as there was between Elvis and Priscilla, if not a year more.

    Just thought I’d add my two cents…

  116. Terry says:

    Thank you for posting this article. I completely agree with it.
    What ticks me off is that some people still believe Michael was a pedophile. After his death, of course, the FBI releases files basically proving that he was innocent. Reporters like Aphrodite Jones and Charles Thomson have written extensively about how the allegations against Michael were completely false, with the proof showing he was innocent. They also discuss how press refuses to acknowlege information proving MJ’s innocense because so much time and money was spent of headlines attempting to make him look like a guitly man. Our “trustworthy” news sources don’t dare admit they were backing up lies just for ratings. It’s so sickening.
    I find it funny that some Elvis fans are ticked off about how this article says that he molested a 14 year old child (because yes, Priscilla was a CHILD). Think of it this way, Elvis fans, the anger you felt at reading that is the exact same anger MJ fans feel when people say he molested children. However, the difference here is that MJ was PROVEN INNOCENT. While we do not know whether Elvis ever had sex with the child Priscilla, it is obvious, since he MARRIED her, that he WAS romantically interested in her. Elvis COURTED a child. That is FACT. And that is ILLEGAL (just ask Chuck Berry, who someone managed to get arrested for being with minors, while Elvis was free to move in a child he was romantically interested in to his home). Double Standard…I think so.
    Michael on the other hand, simply around children (most of whom had life-threatening illnesses and whose medical bills he was paying in order to help less fortunate families), gets forever labeled a pedophile, after being proven innocent in the court of law.
    So yes. You have 2 of the worlds biggest music icons, who have identical lives, yet only 1 gets a ruined reputation.
    What’s the main difference between the two?
    Maybe it does matter if you’re Black of White. How unfortunate.

  117. WayDown says:

    Terry, if you don’t know the difference between a 23 years old man who feels affection for a 15 years woman in the 50’s and a 40 years old man who spend his nights with CHILDREN in the 90’s, then you must go and see a psychologist.

    In the 50’s, more than 30% of women married were under 18. It was an ordinary thing to a 25 years old man to got married to a 16 years old woman (my aunt was married when she was 16 and had her first baby when she was 17). If you don’t believe me you can ask your grandmother! Priscilla told many times that they didn’t have any relation when she was minor. Even though many married couples were married and the women were under 18.
    Now for our Peter Pan, the thing is little bit different. This old man had strange relation with children. I said CHILDREN and not teens! You can love and play with them, but you can’t share your bad. If you think this is normal, then again, you must go and see a psychologist. Personally, I can never accept that stranger’s kids enter to my bedroom at midnight to play house/house. I don’t know what exactly happened in the bed, I wasn’t there and I can’t tell bulls, but the only fact that this OLD man shared his bed with those kids proves that he was weird.

    Now talking about music, MJ was more important than many other artists like Elton J, Sting, S Wonder, G Michael, … but he had never reached the level of two giants who “revolutioned” the music. The King and the Beatles. The King for his God given voice (best period 1969 to 1975) and the Beatles for increasing the pop music level. You must be musician to understand what the Beatles have brought to the music.

    Just for comparison. In Asia where I was born, the King was more famous than MJ in the 80’s which was MJ’s prime period! To meditate!!!

  118. xaviersx says:

    All music comes from someplace else prior, and both artists borrowed and elevated elements already there to new heights (the Steve Jobs of there times)- but neither invented they evolutionized. And as for popularity, at those times people looked to idolize stars more than today’s drenched pool of talent – and those different times and different people different things made or broke an artist – Elvis was evil to the older generation but a breath of fresh air to that youth in revolt, Michael Jackson was strange and off as he got older to older generations groundbreaking and awing to younger, audience perceptions. as for the age of consent Elvis was amongst a number of artists who married below todays ‘normalized’ age – didn’t Jerry Lee Lewis suffer more for his, and Michael played ‘host’ at a time when news rags and made for TV movies ate up the could be’s of non family adult child relationships. Wonder how Elvis would have faired with TMZ and the Inquirer or Nancy Grace?

  119. Mitch says:

    After reading many comments on this article, and their responses, both Michael Jackson and Elvis Presley had a huge impact on music as a whole. Yes Elvis was or is the ‘King’, of Rock. Michael is the ‘King’ of Pop and Soul and R&B etc… It is said that Elvis was the catalyst for the Rock ‘n’ Roll era. However, that was an era, and was in another generation. I grew up on Michael Jackson’s music.

    Michael Jackson was the first black artist to feature on MTV… Therefore, leading the way for many artists of today. Michael Jackson was not influenced by Elvis or The Beatles. It was the likes of James Brown and Fred Astaire. Elvis released 77 albums and reportedly sold over 750million records. That equates to an average of 9.4 million sales per album. Michael released 11 solo albums and reportedly sold the same as Elvis. However, his average sales per album are roughly 62.5 million.

    I admit, Elvis a huge star and had an massive impact on the music business. But what other artists did he influence? On the other hand, Michael Jackson was as equally if not bigger that Elvis, and has broken many world records during his career. To see who Michael influenced, you just have to look at some of today’s popstars for example; Justin Timberlake, NeYo, Usher, Jason DeRulo, many of whom have stated MJ as an inspiration and which one can see through their music and dance routines.

    All in all, both Elvis and MJ were huge stars when they were alive, and will continue to be after their deaths. But they are from different generations and this affects what their legacies will ultimately be.

  120. WayDown says:

    “Michael Jackson and Elvis Presley had a huge impact on music” :
    Michael had an impact but Elvis changed the history of popular music (do some research!)

    “Elvis was or is the ‘King’, of Rock” :
    No, Elvis was not the king of rock, simply the KING because he had that God given talent to sing ANYTHING (do some research!)

    “Michael is the ‘King’ of Pop and Soul and R&B etc”:
    Soul and R&B? Are you kidding me? And about the title king of pop, that was not given but proclaimed!

    “Elvis, …..that was an era, and was in another generation” :
    That was an era? For that reason Elvis the Concert is still touring the planet by filling arenas? Is that normal for you that a single recored in 1968 becomes a Number 1 hit in over 20 countries in 2002? (Meditate!)

    “I grew up on Michael Jackson’s music” :
    I grew up on MJ’s music too (I’m 35), but I stopped listening to him when I discovered Elvis (I was in Asia) in the 80s

    “Michael Jackson was the first black artist to feature on MTV”:
    WRONG, he wasn’t the first black artist on MTV, so he opened the door for nobody! (do some research!)

    “Michael Jackson was not influenced by Elvis or The Beatles” :
    The planet was influenced be these two giants, even the Peter Pen :o)

    “Elvis sold over 750million records” :
    Wrong, The King sold 2 billion records

    “Michael released 11 solo albums …. his average sales per album are roughly 62.5 million” :
    Can you please tell me which album was sold over 40 million except Thriller? Don’t be medias puppet! Even Bing Crosby sold more than MJ! MJ’s sales jumped from 250 million to 750 million from 2005 to 2009 (strange, MJ didn’t sell millions of albums in these 3 years!). SONY MUSIC commercial advertisement lies! Do simple maths and you will understand that MJ couldn’t sell 750 million (62.5 million per album as you said!)

    “what other artists did Elvis influence?” :
    Oh my God! Should I answer to this question? The king didn’t influence garbage junk electronic artists like MJ did, the King influenced other future music giants like the Beatles, R Stones, B Springsteen, Barry White, Bob Dylan, Elton John… The list in infinite! And this in ALL the countries on the planet (again, do some research!)

    “Michael Jackson was as equally if not bigger than Elvis” :
    Michael Jackson said: They call him the King, why not me :o)

    “MJ has broken many world records during his career” :
    The most important record is the Thriller as the best selling album, all the rest (most No1 hits in UK, US, … most weeks on the charts, most gold, platinum, …) is the game of the two music giants, the King and the Beatles.

  121. Gypsy says:

    I don’t think it’s fair to accuse Elvis of ‘molesting children’. Priscilla was 14 when ‘introduced’ to Elvis, so what? Who wouldn’t have jumped at the chance, at any age? Then she herself said she didn’t see or hear from him for years afterward. He was in the service and then he moved back to Memphis. And she had to be accompanied by Vernon when she went there, in Germany. No one ever said different and she was a mature female. And she never accused him of molesting her, no one did, that’s the difference. And Lisa was born 9 months to the day and back then there was no birth control, so, I think if they had been having sex and Elvis was as drugged up as some of you claim, there would have been an accident. And he was basically just a kid himself, early 20’s. Elvis even said she looked older, acted older, very mature for her age. And when Elvis wanted sex, he chased after ‘grown’ women. And he did end up marrying Priscilla. And that’s a far cry from what MJ was being accused of. A 40+ year old man being accused of molesting little “BOYS” (even). And why was a man that age having a “Neverland” ranch designed with children in mind? I love children too, but… And I’d never have one sleep in my bed, only when ‘my’ kids were babies and really sick and that was to keep an eye on them, only. Never really saw MJ in the company of other women, Lisa once and they say Brooke Shields and Debbie Rowe. How many kids accused him 12? I believe the little boys. I’ll be damned I’d pay 20 million or whatever the hell it was to get out of something I didn’t do. I’d fight it tooth and nail if I were innocent. That made it look worse, IMO. And back to Elvis, back then people didn’t write their own songs, people wrote them for you. I’ve read some of today’s lyrics, because that’s about the only way I’d know what they were saying. Eminem for example, not knocking the kid, but a song he wrote about Kim, just sounded like him describing a day; she said, I said. I’m like I could’ve done that myself, Jesus. Elvis could’ve written a song then too, but who cares, if I could, or you could or not, the question is can we sing them? That’s the real talent in my book and to have stage presence. And for someone who said, “Elvis became a singer because he failed at other occupations.” Was crazy, he drove truck and was studying to be an electrician, only job ever mentioned of him having. As if anyone can say, “I can’t make it as a truck driver, so I guess I’ll just have to become a famous singer instead.” LOL! That’s ludicrous. The only songs I cared for back in the day of MJ’s were Smooth Criminal (I bet he wrote that one) And Man in the mirror. But other than that, igh! And I think he kind of danced like a rehearsed robot, but some of his moves were pretty cool. Elvis, when he moved, he said he moved out of nervousness. With that gorgeous face and beautiful voice, every movement he made, any movement, it could be touching his hair, smiling, head nod. It sent shivers through your whole torso. He can make your eyes cross, and roll, just looking at him. He oozed sex. That can’t be copied. He couldn’t have copied ‘that’ from NO ONE! That’s what gets women, THAT! I didn’t get that when I looked at MJ Elvis turned on women by just being there, just standing still talking or just walking in a room, they’d scream, cry, wished they had him, marry him. Pretty damn good Elvis is known world wide and never left the United States or Canada, huh? Guess “He” didn’t have to. Some people I guess will love Elvis more and some MJ. But I loved the songs Elvis sang, “I was the one”, “It hurts me”, “Hurt” “One night with you” about women. Oooh! What a turn on, Elvis was sexy, masculine, MJ was not. Plus, I’m a sucker for a southern accent. Elvis had beautiful eyes, mouth, voice, hair, nose, tall, sexy, gorgeous, rich, generous and I LOVED the way he moved. I heard the black blues singers in the 20’s, 30’s, 40’s they gave me a headache, but that’s me. Some people like that. So if he was coping them, then how come I don’t get a headache listening to Elvis? And that’s who he loved. Who else did he have to emulate? There was NO ONE before Elvis!
    I believe he is still alive, a lot of people do. I don’t want to believe he’s dead. I loved him since I was a little girl. When I was thirteen, he was in his 30’s, but I loved him so much. I had his pictures all over my bedroom walls and so many albums and 45’s, it was crazy.

    I never heard of Elvis getting plastic surgery, like somone claims. And to say MJ’s nose is like that from a broken nose is rediculous. Then why did it get skinnier and skinner through the years? I’ve known people with broken noses, and after surgury didn’t look like that. And why is it that’s when he became lighter? And if it was vitiligo, then why not go with the darker part, add dark paint, not light? And why didn’t he have a white face younger? hmmm…And his hair staighted? But I’m not blaming him for wanting to be white at all. That’s his perogitive. And a lot of people had terrible childhoods, myself included, molested, beatings for nothing, no friends hardly, no clothes, no family, but I don’t hang with children, I love children, but not like that. They’re not back stabbing, they’ll tell it like it is, funny, adorable, but NEVER hang with them to that point, as an adult, it doesn’t look right. Elvis didn’t have a great childhood, poor as hell, went hungry I’m sure at times. Raggidy clothes, kids making fun of him. MJ’s dad may have been abusive, but in his mind he wanted his kids to BE somebody. Some parents want to squash their kids like a bug, not to be somebody. I mean if MJ was gay, fine no one would’ve cared. But let it be an adult male, that’s all. There’s a lot of entertainers who were abused, big time. And yet MJ is the only one I’ve ever heard of that was accused of playing with little boys. (Kids period, boy or girl, it’s wrong) Other entertainers have “Make a wish foundation” I never hear accusations of anything going on there. And when his own sister came out and said it, that kind of sealed the deal in a lot of peoples minds, as well. But I don’t want to speak ill of the dead, because he had his demons, IDK. Medicine you could only get in hospital he was on, damn. I don’t know how he saw the world, I guess I’ll never know. Just questions and why do we only hear this about MJ and after being accused, I would’ve stayed away from kids, if I were him. Not said, “I see nothing wrong with sharing your bed with kids.” See he didn’t help himself by saying that… UGH! I don’t know whatever…(Part of me feels sorry that MJ even had to be that way)

    I love you Elvis… Long live the King!

  122. kriss says:

    Gypsy, yes,yes,yes

  123. kriss says:

    O this ugly child molester. Just a old coloured man who likes to? molest little boys? in there? bottoms. I hate this cook sucker.

  124. San says:

    MJ was an angel who was demonized by the ordinary losers surrounding him who could not see what MJ was about. Since this post is about comparision between MJ and Elvis, I have to say that I love Elvis. However, what MJ gave to us was not just music, dancing or stardom; It was all of those and magic. He was someone who really cried for the sadenss and pain in the world (Litesn to “The Earth Song” and “Man in the Mirror” and many more from MJ). Its fine to love Elvis’s songs (and I love those too), but it is sick and idiotic to insult MJ to appreciate Elvis. The way I look at it: if someone has been molested by their relatives, probably only thing they can think of affection towards kids by a grown-up will be sexual in nature. This unfortunate approach represents experiences of such unfortunate persons and not what MJ was about. I see some posters accusing Elvis of child abuse..I find that also rather idiotic. From my point of view the importance of MJ and Elvis did not lie in who they slept with (and did not sleep with); it was in what they acheived and what they gave us. They were both great. Personally, I consider MJ a much greater entertainer overall, who really grew way bigger than his music and dance. Insulting MJ in my view is like insulting an innocent angel, who was just to soft and gentle for the world around him. RIP MJ. MJ was more than a phenomenon, which never happened before and may never happen again (I am sure even MJ detractors know this well…).

  125. Victor says:

    This Waydown guys really sounds rather intresting. Are you in Australia or you are just hard headed and opinionated. Looks like you are making all the efforts to post negative comments about MJ (actually more seems like you care more about posting negative stuff about MJ than putting Elivis in positive light. I love a lively discussion but not ugly ones and I fear that you are making things ugly. MJ and Elvis can not be compared. Elivis was an outstanding singer, but MJ was not. He was way beyond an outstanding singer. He was an extraoridnary gentle and kind human being.

  126. WayDown says:

    Victor, please read again my last comment and tell me what did I write about MJ which sounds ugly to you?
    I didn’t insult him, I just told the truth about what he could and he couldn’t, and what he did and he didn’t.

    Just the truth, that hurts?!

  127. secret says:

    WayDown Be careful what ‘you talk about Michael yasnolitie not know anything about it Takacs Nessebar t call CAC argue that critical understanding of music more than you have to give Michael things about Elvis that you only dreamed shtegi its stand of old remixes of Elvis and Michael has 100 unreleased tracks more thing all koyto not know Michael is known throughout the world know all about it and those who hate and those who Harris plus do not know if Michael has title King of klopovete dumb joke that talks about Elvis koyto Moudania to shoot VAV movies and even we could df plays to take the stage with hanging his ass and his thick shtkembak like SAE Nasrallah dadohamu title because King was the first large glasde uncommon there and this nonsense that Michael was successful as Madonna did not run it successfully in November is much greater than it R.I.P MICHAEL

  128. secret says:

    WayDown fenofite Elvis Dassia mouth shut you have no right to talk that way about someone like Michael who is a world-recognized phenomenon, and listen to his genius and Elvis Nessebar bother with Michael

  129. JANET says:

    FU** ELVIS MICHAEL IN THE BEST :*

  130. ?ICHAEL FEN says:

    geeks this is for you ;) Michael Jackson was and is the KING OF MUSIC! Without a doubt! Elvis is a strong voice, but Michael is more talent in addition to his fantastic skills and singing! ;)

  131. fu** elvis Michael in the best says:

    for all fans of Elvis he had a hoarse voice and a very ugly and it was terribly ugly Michael was much hubav and very sweet and with a soft voice, and what Michael was not only good tantsyur phenomenal dancer and singer, he, unlike his grandfather Elvis was recognized genius in music and a lot of great talent Dyadovo Elvis hahaha :d

  132. MANIA 64 says:

    And insult Michael and what do you think that the achievement of Neko you asked him load view such as your career of Michael collapsed greedy for money and dvolichnitsi like you are all gang nekadarnitsi never overtake phenomena such as MICHAEL understand IT WAS NOT JUST HIM GIANT OR SINGER HE IS JUST genes DIFFERENCE FROM ELVIS

  133. Bonebag says:

    I think the opperating question is who do so many folks Hate Elvis Presley! Just because you live close to Graceland does not mean you have all the facts: just the fantasies!
    I think you are quite naive to think that the millions of young and old fans of Michael would be enamored with a man who’se weight balloooned to morbid obesity!
    As for Pricilla, I don’t know where folks come from, but in my neck of the woods, Pricilla’s mother would have been taken out back and beaten for allowing her 14 year old daughter near Elvis. that is what seperates us from most polygamist nutcases!
    Although I preferred his les famous brother to him, I can say that Michael was not stuck in Soul music only. He never stole styles from a group of folks and he was NOT a Pedophile!
    Ps. If there was no such word as Racist, it would stand that there would be no such thing as White Folks…..

  134. WayDown says:

    “Bonebag”, you have proved with your comments how uncultured you are. You MJ fans something is wrong with your brain. How can you talk about racism for MJ? White people, fans and MEDIAS did all their possible to help MJ become a super star! You must be really stupid to ignore this!!! Without white American medias, I could never watch MJ on the TV in the 80’s in Asia! The difference with Elvis is that the King faced ALL the racism because black people was jealous of him (still the case in the 2000’s) and white medias KILLED the king in the 50’s. The only people who were grateful to the king was the black artists in the 50’s. Make some research and you will see how artists like BB King, L Richard, Sammy Davis Junior were grateful to him. And apart to be grateful, they adored his person. Ali who hated all white person in some period used to adore Elvis (make some research!), the same for James Brown !

    Another point for some uncultured people, Pricilla moved to Graceland when she was 17! Once again for some uneducated people, 50 years ago women were used to get married very young. Many house wives with a baby were under 18! That was something normal in that period! And apart of this, Pricilla said that they didn’t play house/house until they got married, I don’t know if this is true ;o)
    Anyway, you can ask your grandmother about this subject and they will confirm you what I said above.

    By the way, the difference between Elvis & MJ, MJ spent his nights with little boys in his bed. You must be sucked or you must be a pedophile too to protect such a “man”! God, a 40 years old man sharing his bed with stranger’s children! GOD !!!

  135. Steven says:

    I will just address all the fans of MJ or shall I say all the intelligent people who can see through the media created demonisation of MJ in the past. MJ was a musical genius. His magic was never there before and will not be there again. MJ was a global superstar. I think comparing MJ and Elvis is somewhat of comparision between my left and right eye, but not really. I am sure that MJ was a more complete entertainer and almost a magician. Indeed he grew bigger than his music itself. I love them both but MJ is magic for me while Elvis is another outstanding singer with a beautiful voice; that is the difference.
    I suspect some people may be so unlucky that they themselves were molested by their relatives etc. so they would never know what a fatherly affection may mean and how a grown up can stay close to kid in a pure manner…Sorry for those wretched souls. Those would be the one worrying more about MJs bedroom. MJ never hid the fact that kids were indeed allowed in his bedroom. In several interviews seen globally, he has said clearly that unless you are “Jack the ripper” there is nothing wrong in kids being in your bedroom. This clearly shows that he had nothing to hide and his heart was clean I suspect the folks insulting MJ are either “Jack the ripper” themselves or grown in a family of “Jack the rippers”…..Whatever they bark is a projection of their own miserable life and nothing to do with MJ

  136. Tom says:

    Steven, if you find that sharing his bed with stranger’s children is something normal, then ask permission to your neighbor to share your bed with his children one night, and you will see their answer… Be a fan and not a fanatic! Fanatics are blind, like you!

    Now for the talent. I’m not talking to fanatics because they still believe to the Santa Claus :o)

    The conclusion:
    Biggest entertainer ever : The King
    Biggest pop musicians : The Beatles

    MJ’s musical talent is very limited and almost electronic. For that reason, MJ’s work is never taken into consideration by real musicians. He never played instruments live (he couldn’t), he did playback concerts (like B Spears!), he never used polyphony in his music (because difficult), he never used big variety of instruments (classical) in his music (because difficult)… All these were done perfectly by the other two giants (the King & the Beatles).

    MJ is very very limited. He’s a genius only for non musician people. Like Prince!

  137. Ethan says:

    Elvis is worse than Michael Jackson

  138. The Mighty Dave says:

    To quote a man who knew what he was talking about.

    “One good thing about music, when it hits you, you feel no pain.” – Bob Marley

    It’s all personal preference, so for what its worth, here is my tuppence worth.

    Michael Jackson is the greatest entertainer the world has ever known. Simply put, Michael Jackson IS music.

    He is the full package, he sings better than Elvis for a start, nobody can touch his vocal range. I’ve listened to all his stuff going back to when he was a kid and when Invincible came out I was still surprised at his range.

    He dances better, I know that because I don’t dance much unless I’m dragged up onto the floor and drunk, but this guy makes me want to dance when I see him do it. That is not normal.

    For those of you who don’t know (post 136), he plays guitar better too. As we all know, Slash plays guitar in some of his later stuff but if you check the credits it clearly says GUITAR: Slash and Michael Jackson. Just because you never saw him do it doesn’t mean he can’t.

    I guess its kind of hard to sing, moonwalk and play guitar at the same time. The dancing is central to his act. I think he knew he was no Van Halen or Slash and that he only wanted the best man for the job.

    Bear in mind while making this comparison that Elvis could not even read music. Neither can I, which is why I’m limited as to what I can play on guitar, because I don’t fully understand it.

    It may sound like I don’t like Elvis but I have nothing against the guy, I was 3 when he died. I just find the comparison ridiculous.

    He was a phenomenen of his time, but that was a different time. Elvis was breaking boundaries back then that no longer exist, which is why he became so successful.

    When people say he’s the king of rock n roll I’m left to question that because we all know rock n roll originated from black music. I’d rather listen to Little Richard than Elvis. Elvis popularised a form of music that white people didn’t bother with much beforehand.

    I mean if white people didn’t listen to rap and it wasn’t so successful, then along comes Eminem, would Eminem be the king of rap? Would you totally disregard where he steals his tricks from and all the acts that came before him?

    I know Elvis’ music influences many people to this day and that influence reaches me in other ways even though I don’t listen to Elvis, but you have to consider the source.

    By all accounts he sold almost twice the amount of records as Michael Jackson. This does confuse me though. The list I saw of top selling albums of all time didn’t have Elvis on it. How is that possible for a guy who sold twice as much?

    Michael Jacksons Thriller sold an estimated 110 million copies to date which was more than twice the album at number 2, AC-DC’s Back In Black. MJ had the biggest selling album ever when sales of Thriller were at 40 million. So where is Elvis in all this?

    Anytime I see footage of Elvis perform it’s always the same, Elvis at the end, bloated, mumbling into a microphone, struggling to breathe, swinging his hips in a grotesque fashion while wearing a flashy suit. I fail to see how that is entertaining. Exactly what did you get when you went to an Elvis gig in his prime? If I’m missing something let me know.

    I think as far as sales go, Michael Jackson will catch up eventually. His music will live forever, it crosses so many boundaries in a world that has changed drastically since Elvis’ time. MJ is more global. I know hardcore Iron Maiden fans who will tell you the best gig they ever saw was Michael Jackson.

    Take the album Bad for instance. 10 songs, there were over 30 recorded and short-listed to appear on that album. That’s another 2 albums!! I assume all his work had songs that didn’t make the album, in which case, dead or alive you haven’t heard the last of Michael Jackson. Whereas Elvis fans and his music seem to be on the wane.

    Then there’s the videos. MTV is the institution it is today because of Michael Jackson. I am aware that MTV is crap nowadays but you can’t really blame MJ for that, he opened the medium up that’s all, well maybe not, he did take it to a new level. Now its all booty shakin’ hip hop crap that sounds the same as the last one. (I don’t mind hip hop but still..)

    It’s no longer about brilliant songs and cool videos like Peter Gabriels Sledge Hammer, now its more like….look at how good I can shake my ass in these hotpants….you want it don’t you?…never gonna get it never gonna get it never gonna get it….
    Pffft it’s almost soft porn these days.

    As for The Beatles. I’ve never been able to fully verbalise why I don’t like them, it always annoyed me because everyone seems to like them except me, even Michael Jackson.

    I feel they have great songs which when covered by other musicians are amazing. I prefer Aerosmith or Michael Jackson singing Come Together for example.

    I’d go as far as to say Lennon and McCartney are 2 of the best songwriters ever but I’d prefer Tyler/Perry any day. Or Bon Jovi/Sambora. It’s a matter of personal preference.

    I think Charles Montgomery Burns put it best when he described The Beatles as ‘Off-key clatterwalling.’ Spot on Monty. :-))

    The personal lives of all these guys is open to speculation but I don’t think it should detract from the music, regardless. It’s nobodys business really.

    I never believed the MJ accusations for a second. My personal belief is that he annoyed Sony Records who then initiated a smear campaign against him. For more information on how Japanese companies operate you should read the book Rising Sun. It’s actually quite scary. Sony believed they owned Michael Jackson like they own Playstation, he’s no more than a product to them. You can’t treat artists like that though.

    On the other hand if you honour the contract you signed then you will find the Japanese are very pleasant to do business with. I think MJ was badly advised in getting involved with them, after they bought Epic records MJ should have split then.

    After signing a billion dollar contract with MJ, Sony would rather destroy him than lose him to the opposition.

    “Business Is War” is a Japanese proverb and has been for a very long time. That phrase in the west is more associated with Michael Douglas and Wall Street.

    That’s all speculation on my part though. If I look at the accusations and assume its all true….truth is I couldn’t care less. If he liked young boys he wouldn’t be the first. If he was gay he sure as hell wouldn’t be the first. These things have been going on since day one on this planet and will continue no matter what rules society wants to come up with.

    Society might want to look at globalizing the legal age of consent because right now one countries law on that makes a mockery of the next country.

  139. Tom says:

    “MJ sings better than Elvis” :o) :o) :o)

    No no, this is not a joke, there’s a guy above who really thinks that :o)

    hiiii hi, houuuu hou, this is singing with a high vocal range :o)

    oh God !

  140. Mike says:

    Michael Jackson kills Elvis in everything : worldwide popularity,influence,talent ( writing-producing composing skills),legacy,philantropy,artistical creativity,sales,etc… Michael owns the biggest selling album ever ! If Michael would release as much albums than Elvis ,Michael would sell much more albums than Elvis.Michael Jackson = the greatest artist and musical genius that ever lived on earth !

  141. Tom says:

    Mike, you’re saying that MJ kills the King in sales, and just after that you are saying “If Michael would release as much albums than Elvis ,Michael would sell much more albums than Elvis”, then you are automatically admitting that he didn’t sell as much as the King :o)

    I can say that if the King didn’t went to the army at his prime he could sell 3 billions, or if he didn’t stop his career during 9 years to do movies then he could sell 5 billions, or if the population in the 50’s was not 3 billion but 6 then he could sell 10 billions!

    Freak idol freak fans !

  142. robby says:

    mjs voice is not even close to Elvis, that’s why he only sang one kind of music in a little boys voice. Elvis had a vocal range that allowed him to sing rock pop ballads country and gospel music, mjs voice is not in the same park with the real king of music.

  143. MJ says:

    Greatness of artist doesn’t measured just on sales .The most important is the global legacy and the quality of the art.Voice doesn’t mean so much ,wether you have a wide vocal range or wether you have not,the most important is the quality .Quality is more important than quantity.Michael’s voice is better .Michael’s musical and artistical legacy is bigger than Elvis.Michael popularity is bigger too.Elvis is popular above all In USA and Europe.Michael is poular everywhere worldwide.Even in countries such as Afghanistan,Nepal,Irak,Iran,Soudan,etc…people from all countries know Michael Jackson and his music.The same can’t said for Elvis.I am sure that even Ben Laden and his partners knew Michael Jackson and his music.Elvis popularity is concentrated just in western civilisations.Michael is greater globally.

  144. MJ says:

    The greatness of artists lie on their talent,their impact on every social groups,on their legacy,on the quality of their art,on their influential power,etc…MJ bet EP on all this.Sorry.

  145. Tom says:

    “MJ”, you really think that Ben Laden doesn’t know the King? Are you living on Mars? I’m from one of those countries that you named above, and I threw my MJ/Madonna records in the 80’s to replace them with the King’s records! When you discover the King, other clowns are ridiculous beside that magical person. The King remains the King and is known in the tiniest countries on our planet. I’m from a tiny country in Asia! Don’t tell bulls by giving virtual opinions if you’re not living in those countries!!!

    I never compare the King to anyone else. He’s in an other galaxy.

  146. robby says:

    sure MJ is more worldwide than Elvis, that’s funny, if I remember correctly Elvis is the ONLY artist to do a worldwide concert on tv, nobody has ever single handedly played to such a huge audience in Japan alone he drew 98% of the TV rateings and he did it without touring the world

  147. SUSAN BOYLES RULES ! says:

    Susan Boyle blow Elvis and Michael away in everything.Talent,voice,sales,etc… She’s the QUEEN OF MUSIC OVERALL !!! SHE’S BETTER THAN EVEN MARIAH CAREY ON SING SKILLS AND VOICE. LONG LIFE TO SUSAN THE DIVA !!!!

  148. Tom says:

    Susan Boyle?!!! What the hell is going on here? First we started to compare MJ the clown to the King, then Justin Bieber the baby, and now the grand mother Susan!

    Why not me! Yeah, I’m better than Elvis :o))

    In fact, every artist wants to be compared to the King, he/she knows that if they reach that level, then nothing exists above. But sad that no one can reach the King. All the story starts and ends with this man. He wrote the book!

  149. Mike says:

    The difference between MJ and EP is that MJ is talentuous and great worldwide,while EP is less talentuous and less popular.MJ is a global icon,EP is a wetern icon ( only for American,Europeans and some cAsian countries like Japan,China etc…).MJ towards EP in almost everything.
    About their personal lives,Ep is worse than MJ cause he usually made what we know with her mother Gladys,besides he **** a young and tender 14 years old girl named Pricislla.
    MJ : only accusations for sleeping in the same bed than some children.Nothing else.So,MJ is better.
    MJ =A kind angel
    EP =a violent drugger and **** ist.

  150. robby says:

    Mike,you’r an idiot,mj was no angel and Elvis was NOT a racist

  151. Tom says:

    MJ an angel! Yeah specially for little boys :o)

  152. MJ rules !!!!!!! says:

    MJ kills the king,beatles,cause he ‘s the god of music !

  153. robby says:

    MJ rules nothing,elvis and the beatles both outsold him,have more no 1’s more hits more gold more platinum more multiplatinum,its no contest,you love MJ that’s your right, but hes not close to elvis

  154. Tom says:

    MJ kills Elvis in playing house/house with little boys :o)

  155. Mike says:

    Sorry,I didn’t say EP was a racist,I meant he was a rapist ! Replace the ” c ” by a ‘ p ” and in the word racist and you’ll get what I meant by ****ist !

  156. luis says:

    REALLY people!!!!!!!!!! ELVIS did molest a 14 year old boy and a girl I don’t think she would say that Elvis molested her because she would still be scared duh!!!!!!!!!! damn people!

  157. robby says:

    Luis, what does molist mean?

  158. robby says:

    Luis,what does molist mean?

  159. Moronia says:

    I think that Susan Boyles is better and greater than Elvis presley and Michael Jackson by all means !Besides,why do you continue to fight about these two corpses ? They are death and this is time to forget them.All of you are so silly ! Nowadays everyone talk about the sublime and unique Susan Boyles.Susan is the greatest vocalist of all times ! She kills even Mariah Carey and Whitney Houston on vocal capabilities and singing skills ! Long life to Susan the real diva,THE VOICE !!! !

  160. Wally says:

    My grand mother is greater and better than Susan Boyles by all means !

  161. Tom says:

    Wally, you grand mother should produce an album :o)

  162. GRATIN says:

    Tom,you’d better reprimand this crazy and stupid one named Moronia that said Susan surpass MJ and Elvis in everything then saying she blows Mariah and Whitney’s voice away.This is so delusional and so silly ! Why are you crazy about this granny? Because she’s old and ugly pig?
    Moreover,Tom how many albums did you produce yourself? As you already brought some personal critics about MJ and Elvis voice,then said that you are a vocalist? Do you said that,just to still impose your lies here? Listen to me guy.Susan is NOTHING AT ALL COMPARE WITH MUSICAL LEGENDS AS SUCH WHITNEY HOUSTON,MARIAH CAREY.BARBRA STREISAND AND ARETHA FRANKLIN.jUST because Susan is an European PIG doesn’t make her a great artist.Her work prove nothing.I repeat that,my grand mother could do as much as Susan or better on singing !

  163. Tom says:

    Calm down GRATIN you will have a heart attack! The only positive remark that I have made about Susan was that she had the courage to perform live comparing to the most overrated playback junk electronic music artists in the history of popular music, and these two “pigs” are Mariah and the clown MJ! And yes Whitney or Barbara are great great vocalists, and I love them.

  164. Vanishka says:

    You called MARIAH CAREY AND MICHAEL JACKSON PIGS ????????????????????????? You’re stupid,delusional,silly and completely ill !
    Mariah Carey is one of the most beautiful women on this planet ! Susan???? Probably one of the worst ugly women on this planet !
    About talent and success Noone can be compare with Mariah Carey,The songbird supreme.The Voice ! Susan is just a sensation.Mariah is a vocal Icon,a musical legend.There is no comparison between Mariah and Susan…This is so stupid ! Comon Tom,everyone laughed at Susan when she performs.She just amuse people on stage.Susan is worst than a pig,she’s a troll.
    About Mchael Jackson,I don’t know why you hate him so much but your petty hating can’t nothing on MJ’s popurarity,successes,influence,sales,legacy,etc…that he left in music.MJ was a true musical Legend while Elvis was just a sex-symbol.So,don’t be delusional my dear,MJ is light years ahead of Elvis in everything ( except for beauty and sex-appeal)
    MJ is waaaaaaaaaaay better artistically.Elvis doesn’t even worth the half of MJ on sales in legacy.Let’s be honests.

  165. Tom says:

    My dear Vanishka, if you love Mariah or MJ that’s good for you, but loving someone is a thing and the real talent of an artist is another thing. First of all I’m ok with you that Susan just amuse people on stage, but at least she sings and doesn’t cheat the public with playback concerts!

    Now comparing vocal giants Whitney and Streisand with an overrated “artist” who is Mariah! This is really funny :o) If you take few vocal courses with a serious maestro, you can easily understand that Mariah has no voice. I will not try to convince you because I feel that you’re a fan and you will not change your opinion. But an advice, don’t ever take vocal courses otherwise you will be disappointed by discovering the truth with your own ears (by the way, I have years of classical school).

    For MJ I have nothing to say, someone must not be a big musician to realize that the guy was really empty. The Beatles had that God given musicality, the King had that God given voice and beauty, but I’m still searching in what MJ was good! The Beatles influenced generations of serious musicians, Elvis influenced generations of serious singers. Who MJ influenced?!! Even Madonna influenced more people than Peter Pan! Barry White decided to be a singer just by listening to It’s Now or Never while he was in jail! The King’s voice and his vocal range was really impressing (specially from 68 to 75).

    I liked to have musician people here on this forum to have some interesting debates (for example the difference between Whitney and Streisand, the R&B/Gospel school and the classical school), but unfortunately people here are too young or not musician at all :o(

  166. Vanishka says:

    Dear Tom, If you love Streisand, Boyles,etc…Good for you, but any of them can’t rival with Mariah Carey on vocal ability and singing capability.Mariah is unreachable as well in studio than on stage.Mariah sings on stage and doesn’t use playback as you try to claim.Who are you to dare saying Mariah doesn’t sing live,but cheat on people by playback concerts ?
    Here are some of Mariah’s innumerable amazing live performances.

    – Emotions live at MTV Award 1991
    – If It’s Over live Grammy Awards 1992
    – I’ll Be There, Can’t Let Go, Someday,etc… live at MTV Unplugged EP 1992
    – Hero, Without You, Anytime You Need A Friend,Love Takes Time live at Proctors Theater 1993
    – Fantasy, Forever,Without You, Dreamlover,Open Arms,One Sweet Day Live at Madison Square Garden 1995
    – Butterfly live in Tokyo 1997
    – Whenever You Call solo version live in Sydney Australia 1998
    – Whenever You Call duet Version feat Brian McKnight live in New York in 1998
    – Can’t Take That Away live in 2000 year
    – O Holy Night 2000 Live Los Angeles PC
    – The Star Spangled Banner live at the 2002 Super Bowls
    – My Saving Grace live at Oprah Winfrey show in 2002
    – We Belong Together and Fly Like A Bird live at the 2006 Grammy Awards
    – I Want To Know What Love Is live at the Italia X-Factor in 2009.
    – One Child and O Come All Ye Faithful live at Washington DC by December 2010
    – And so on…

    All these live performances are unique and unreachable.Nobody can do as much as Mariah vocally even on stage.Mariah doesn’t need to use playback concerts in her live performances since she is the only one that can sing her own songs.Only Whitney Houston can be compare with Mariah on vocal capabilities and singing skills.Barbra is light years beyond Mariah.Even some average vocalists beats Barbra.Your little preference towards Barbra and petty hatred against Mimi can change nothing on this.The whole world recognize Mariah’s vocal supremacy over every other vocalists.So,saying that Mariah is amazing only in studio is just a hating comment. Mariah is billion times better than any other artist !

  167. Vanishka says:

    Nobody cares about your opinion on vocal question.Barbra is not a vocalist in Mariah and Whitney ‘s level,wake up ! Aretha,Christina and Celine blow Barbra away as vocalists.Only Whitney Houston is very close to Mariah Carey as vocalists.Both are unreachable !
    Mariah is a vocal legend,she influences the whole last generation of artists by her incredible voice and singing style.So,your little opinion can’t nothing on this.
    About MJ,he did what Elvis couldn’t even dreamed of.Don’t be silly,MJ is the most talented male artist and the most popular one that ever lived.Elvis is nowhere close to MJ on success and sales.
    Michael Jackson’s career had decline because of his rebellion to the Illuminati system.This is not by nothing MJ claimed in an public declaration that Tommy Mottola (the president of Sony Music ) is a devil in 2007. In 2009,MJ was murderer by the Illuminati system.In the same way,Mariah Carey’s career decreased at the 2000’s because she disobeyed to Mottola and the Sony team,then had rebelled against the Illuminati.
    Elvis was an Illuminati icon.That’s why he always presented as superior to MJ on sales,success,and popularity.In facts,MJ surpass Elvis.

  168. KAREN says:

    I know this debate is about MJ and EP ,but I read here that Mariah Carey is an ” overrated artist ” and that Whitney Houston and Barbra Streisand are vocal giants compared to Mariah !So I have to bring some facts ,not my opinion proving Mariah is better than any of these artists ( specially Streisand,that is not in the level of Mariah Carey and Whitney Houston vocally ) vocally,and that she’s a great artist not an overrated one.

  169. KAREN says:

    Mariah have the greatest voice of the musical industry,stated by many experts,producers and vocal critics.She have the largest vocal range ever :5,2 octaves.Mariah’s voice is not fake at all.She proved her voice and all her live performances and also in interviews ! There is no doubt about the veracity of Mariah’s voice.Only Tom tells Mariah voice and vocal techniques are fake .All experts know that Mariah’s voice is not fake. Music critics praise her vocal techniques that are really impressive,amazing and unique .Mariah Carey’s voice and vocal techniques has influenced more people and more artists than any other female in the world.She has influenced the entire American Idol people,alongside many artists.She’s also the main vocal influence of every female R&B artists that came out from the 1990’s till today,says music experts.Mariah Carey is the most influential female artist in America ,and the most influential western artist in Asia !Even in Europe,she influences more people than Celine Dion ,although Celine is the most successful female Pop vocalist there ! Mariah Carey is the greatest Pop vocal icon of the world.Her music touches even the Arab world ( where Western music has very little success, indeed, considered too modern)! Mariah Carey’s music touches a very large audience… so large that it has hearings even into the Arab world, considering that only opera singers topped sales in these countries .

  170. KAREN says:

    Now,as for vocal performances,Mariah is unbeatable.Just name me some live vocal performances from the artists you say are better than Mariah ,I’ll name you Mariah’s and we will compare.we’ll see on a fair base who is really the best vocally.

  171. KAREN says:

    International superstars that claim Mariah Carey as major influence :

    Destiny’s Child
    Beyonce Knowles
    Britney Spears
    Christina Aguilera
    Rihanna
    Jessica Simpson
    Patti Labelle
    Mary J Blige
    Pixie Lott
    Kat Deluna
    Lena Park
    Backstreet Boys
    Nelly Furtado
    Nivea Hamilton
    Leona Lewis
    Justin Timberlake
    Kelly Clarkson
    Lucie Silvas
    Shakira
    Alicia Keys
    Brandy
    Ashanti
    Anastacia
    Lynnsha,
    Utada Hikaru
    and lots more…
    Just in the Philippines, Mariah Carey has influenced these artists :
    Regine Velasquez
    Jonalyn Viray
    Kyla
    Charice
    Nina
    And lots more…I let you imagine how many artists Mariah Carey influenced in the huge China,and the other Asian countries !

  172. KAREN says:

    Daphne Brooks – Instructor, Princeton University: “She is our greatest singing act that we’ve seen in decades, for decades and decades.”

    “Our reality shows, they are contests so it’s about being able to triumph in a particular way that is spectacularly satisfying to the masses. And no artist has been more spectacularly satisfying at the level of singing in the past 20 years than Mariah Carey.”

    David Lee Brewer – Opera singer/vocal coach: “She’s alone. She’s in her own category.”

    “White America believed that they had found ‘The Great White Hope.’ White people everywhere believed that she was white singing like a black girl. And with such a voice! My God! All of my white friends, ‘Have you heard this new Mariah Carey?’ All of a sudden Mariah Carey was all over the scene like in a splash.”

    “Mariah Carey is a league of her own. No one can sing as high or as low. This means that you are a phenomenon. That’s what it means. The normal person has 2½ to 3 vocal range. Mariah is off the chart. She makes sounds. She has complete control of her vocal range. And why? Because she studied. She studied with a woman who happens to be her mother, who happens to be a colleague of mine, who’s an opera singer.”

    “Her white legion of fans who believed her still identified with her. And because of that she was able to bridge every gap there was. Mariah Carey is single-handedly responsible for bridging the gap between Pop and Hip-hop, and Soul and R&B. She is responsible for bridging all of those. No other singer. She is.”

    Diane Warren – Songwriter: “She wrote really accessible songs that have touched people. People connected with her.”

    David Morales – DJ/Remixer/Producer: “She’s allowed to be a diva in this business as a female artist, as a professional because she is the bitch.”

  173. KAREN says:

    Don Lawrence -Vocal coach : ” When Mariah first came up,I said ” this girl will be able to go higher vocally than any other artist ”

    Toure,Rolling Stones : ” She ( Mariah Carey )is one of top singers in the world ,the word “singer” took literally.”

  174. KAREN says:

    “I love Mariah Carey. Her music has saved lives of children of the ghetto. Songs like “Vision of Love” gave us hope and the desire to sing her songs, trying to reproduce her notes, even if we could not. I do not think she knows she has played a large part of my life. And then when you meet her, you realize it is such a beautiful person, to defend when the media or other stars are attacking her. She does not deserve that.

    Mary J Blige

    ” I used to sing “Vision of Love” all the time in my shower using my toothbrush as a microphone.I looked up to Mariah a lot and I still do. I admire her as an artist, and to compete with her was a moment I will never forget for the rest of my life “.”
    Rihanna

    “Vision of Love” when I heard this song, I knew my mind was made up, I wanted to become a singer.”
    Beyonce.

    “The first singer that I’m really interested in was Mariah Carey when I was 12. Somehow, she learned me to sing, because you know I could not really pay me singing lessons. So I just listen to all her albums over and over again and learned her words.”
    Nelly Furtado

    “I watched “The Arsenio Hall Show” and Mariah sang “Vision of Love.” The way she used her voice, she had so much power. I knew then that I also wanted to make people feel what she had purchased. I bought all her albums and memorized her words. That’s all I wanted to make my day, singing songs by Mariah Carey.”
    Nivea Hamilton

    “I was obsessed! I remember when I heard “Vision of Love” and then I saw this young white woman with a black woman’s voice, and while it upset me. You can tell her she was an icon magic and everything I dreamed of being when I was in school, it is becoming Mariah Carey. She sang with a gospel choir around her and it was my dream. I just wanted to be her !”
    Lucie Silvas

    ” From her first album till today ,her music is absolutely beautiful to listen to. I am touched by every note and her voice is practically on all notes of the piano.”
    Anastacia

    ” I found out Mariah on the radio when I was in my room. And when “Vision of Love” is over, I ran down the stairs and I told my mother, “Mom, Mom, I just found the greatest singer in the world. I just heard the most beautiful voice in the world ”
    Christina Aguilera

    “I always told this story: when I was in prison and I heard for the first time “vision of love”, I said it was the hottest song in the world. I always used to say: “Dude! if only I could meet her ! ”
    Snoop Dogg

    ” Mariah Carey is a perfectionist,every tracks from her albums proves that ”
    Missy Elliott

    ” Vision Of Love Is an incredible song.Mariah Carey is an incredible artist”
    Wanya Morris

    ” Mariah’s voice is like a cloud of emotion that surrounds you, and take you in a dream world ”
    Fat Joe

  175. KAREN says:

    About beauty,every Mariah appearances proves she’s a very much beautiful woman.Her public appearances always show that too,alongside her videos and photos.French magazines Gala and Voici has respectively ranked Mariah Carey 8th and 10th most beautiful woman in the world.
    Personalities that had already meet Mariah always admit she’s a beautiful woman.

    Recently,Joan Collins that had meet Mariah Carey in a private party at London ,UK claimed in her Twitter ” Mariah Carey looks amazing 2 months after having twins “.

  176. KAREN says:

    Also Simon Cowell said : ” To sing a Whitney Houston song is very difficult,to sing a Mariah Carey song is a vocal suicide “.
    Christina Aguilera said she would love to have a voice like Mariah.Comparing banal/predictable vocalists as Susan Boyle and Barbra Streisand to Mariah Carey is purely delusional.

  177. Vanishka says:

    Karen,Mariah Carey was also named 8th sexiest woman of the world in 2008.

  178. YYYYYY says:

    Mariah Carey is about as sexy as a rubber duck.I guess beauty is in the eyes of the beholder.

  179. KAREN says:

    @ YYYYYY You only forget that you can just write whatever you want on an artist you dislike,however you can’t change real/obvious facts about this artist,neither decrease his/her achievements.

  180. Vanishka says:

    @ YYYYYY : Clueless post .
    @ Karen : I think he tried to upset us,so let this.If he think that Barbra Streisand or Susan Boyle are sexier and more beautiful than Mariah Carey, this is just his delusional opinion and I am sure no one ( objective ) would agree with that. So don’t care

  181. Vanishka says:

    As the greatest female artist of all times,Mariah Carey has everything Impressive over other female artists. Sales, Talent, Voice, creativity, beauty, success, sexiness, popularity, influence, legacy, etc.

  182. Vanishka says:

    Oh and Mariah Carey is the top selling female artist of all times.She sold 75 million albums in USA ( the most for any female artist ),50 million albums in Asia ( more than any western artist male or female,or group ) , 28 million albums in Europe,5 million in Canada,4 million in Australia.Her sales in Latin America and Africa combined reaches 15 million ( 10 million in Latin America and 5 million in Africa ).
    Mariah Carey global album sales are around 180 million worldwide.That’s make her the best selling female artist of all times.Besides she sold over 80 million singles in the whole world !
    And she has released only 18 albums and compilations alongside only 20 years of career ! That’s an unmatchable feat for a female artist !

  183. YYYYYY says:

    To Karen and Vanishka.It was a dumb comment I threw out there about Mariah,didn’t mean to offend anyone.We all have our favorites and though I’m not a Mariah fan,her accomplishments speak for themselves.Obviously,she’s been very very successful.

  184. Vanishka says:

    @ YYYYYYY That’s OK.I’m Glad that you respect her.

  185. Fergus says:

    Now, who should I believe – the Elvis’ fans BIASED opinions or these FACTS:

    To CLOSE all arguments, Michael Jackson (NOT Elvis) was AWARDED/INDUCTED:

    1.) MOST SUCCESSFUL ENTERTAINER of ALL TIME (Guinness Book of World Records, certificate given to MJ in 1996)

    2.) “Biggest Selling Recording Musician of All Time”
    IFPI (International Federation Of the Phonographic Industry) certified Michael Jackson as the “Best Selling Artist Ever” with an award at the 1996 World Music Awards.

    3.) “ARTIST of THE MILLENNIUM” (World Music Awards,2000)
    -this special millennium award was presented in 2000 to the WORLD’S BEST-SELLING recording-artist OF ALL TIME!

    4.) The Rock & Roll Hall of Fame sites him: “the biggest-selling artist of all time,” “the single most awarded entertainer the world has ever known,” “the most popular artist in the history of show business,” and “the world’s most famous man.”

    5.) “ARTIST OF THE CENTURY” (by the Annual American Music Awards, LA Jan 2002)

    6.) the 1st to have reached more than 100million albums sold outside the USA (Guinness World Records)

    7.) inducted into the ” DANCE HALL OF FAME” as the FIRST (and currently only) dancer from the world of pop and rock ‘n’ roll.

    8.) “Triple Crown Award – KING OF POP, ROCK & SOUL” 1989, BRE Awards).
    – As the haters claim, it is not true that Michael self-named the title “King of Pop”.

    Enough of the biased views of the ELVIS fans!

  186. ALAN says:

    Most fan clubs around the world=ELVIS not MJ.Biggest worldwide audience=Elvis (1973 Aloha From Hawaii),not MJ. RIIA (The Official Source) all time biggest selling solo artist for albums and singles=ELVIS not MJ.In the UK,singles sold=ELVIS,over 20million,MJ,around 13 million.ELVIS number 1 UK singles=21 MJ=7.I could go on but I’m sleepy.

  187. ALAN says:

    OH!ELVIS,the ONLY artist to be in all MAJOR music Hall of Fames not MJ.

  188. Fergus says:

    Hi Alan,
    Really – Elvis is the ONLY artist to be in ALL major awards? What a joke!

    HA!!!! YES, ELVIS was inducted in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, and so was Michael Jackson (2 times for him).

    YES, Elvis got a Grammy Lifetime Achievement Award and so did Michael Jackson.

    You are so wrong in saying though that ELVIS is the ONLY artist to be in ALL major awards – maybe do some research first.

    Michael Jackson was inducted in the “SONGWRITERS’ HALL OF FAME”, same with Little Richard, Chuck Berry, John Lennon and Paul McCartney. ELVIS was NOT inducted (for obvious reasons). Award-giving bodies know better.

    Elvis only got 3 Grammy Awards and Michael Jackson had 15.

    MICHAEL JACKSON is the MOST awarded musical artist of all time (total of 392 awards won).

    MICHAEL JACKSON has more Guinness World Records than any other artist.
    source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_awards_r…

    Before you say again your BIASED opinions, please make sure they are FACTS!!!!

  189. Fergus says:

    Elvis might have more no. 1 singles in the US or UK – but please look at WORLDWIDE stats!!!!

    MJ wouldn’t be given the “ARTIST OF MILLENNIUM” award (World Music Awards,2000) if he was not the BEST-SELLING artist of ALL TIME!!!!!

    Plus there was the “ARTIST OF THE CENTURY” award given to MJ (by the Annual American Music Awards, LA Jan 2002) – this wouldn’t be given to him if he wasn’t the BEST-SELLING artist of ALL TIME!!!!
    -the selection was based on IFPI (International Federation Of the Phonographic Industry) which certified Michael Jackson as the “Best Selling Artist Ever” with an award at the 1996 World Music Awards.

    Michael Jackson is not in the GUINNESS World Book of Records as the ‘MOST SUCCESSFUL ENTERTAINER OF ALL TIME’, for nothing!

    Now, can you name me an award given to ELVIS that is more than what MJ got??????????????????

    FACTS please!!

  190. YYYYYY says:

    Uh!Fergus,I think those are facts that Alan put out there. And so MJ has 15 Grammys,well that’s all good but you just don’t know how different the Grammy organization was in the 50’s and early 60’s. It was run by a bunch of old geezers who hated Elvis and rock and roll.If the people voted and they went by hits and number one’s,then Elvis would have more than MJ. Fact,Stevie Wonder has 29 Grammys and he’s blind,so I guess that makes him greater than MJ huh? It’s certainly more impressive,him being blind and all.

  191. YYYYYY says:

    So you stick to your IFPI totals (Fact-IFPI came into existence many years after Elvis died),I promise you they don’t know all the facts about his total record sales.The RIIA who certifies gold,platinum and multi-platinum albums and singles has Elvis selling twice as much as MJ.Elvis just doesn’t beat MJ in America and the UK(The two biggest markets),he’s also had more number 1’s around the world.

  192. TRUTH says:

    YYYYYY,IFPI’s bodies knows definitely better than you and more on Elvis sales !
    They did know certainly more things about Elvis record sales than Elvis today devoted fans .
    And sales in this decade ( 1950’s,)were totally insignificant anyway compared to 80’s and 90’s eras.For example in 1965,The Beatles had the best selling album of all times with an album selling…5 MILLION worldwide ! See ? The best selling group of all times having a world best selling album with 5 million as global sales ! do I have to say more ? I don’t think so.And the 1960’s were way more significant than the 50’s on music sales . so,this is ridiculous to say that Elvis 1950’s sales ( precisely 1956-1959 )could make him the top selling artist over MJ !And these Elvis albums were not the best selling releases by these times .So, Just Michael album released in 2009 would outsold any EP effort in the 50’s.It’s useless to still discuss on that.

  193. TRUTH says:

    As for big markets, please,Japan is the second biggest music market behind USA,not UK !UK is third ! Do some researches.Check : Music Industry on Wikipedia and you’ll see it very clearly at the ” section total value by country ” .Moreover, 2 greatest markets of the world wouldn’t take it face to all the rest of the world ( whole Asia,whole Europe without UK Canada,Australia,Latin America,etc….)
    The support of whole world is more significant than the support of just 1 or 2 important countries.For example ,Elvis Presley Christmas album has sold 9 million in USA and shipped 12 million in total.Yes it’s the best selling Christmas album in USA,but not in the world .Mariah Carey’s Christmas album is the best selling Christmas album in the world (totals over 16 million in the world.Including close to 3 million in Japan,and 3 million for the rest of Asia ,without counting millions more sold in Europe, Canada,Australia,Latin America,etc…combined ).It is equally way more popular outside the USA than Elvis’s.Because sales in all other music markets put together can be more significant than sales in just 1 or 2 great music markets of the world.

  194. Chuck says:

    How many Michael Jackson’s can you find below in the ‘LIST of BEST-SELLING ALBUMS WORLDWIDE’???????????

    FIVE out of MJ’s FIVE adult SOLO albums are ALL in the top 70!

    Bear in mind that Michael only had 5 solo albums as an adult (10 SOLO albums in total if his teen years are included ) whereas ELVIS has more than 40 albums!!!!!!!!!

    And hurray – Beatles has 2 albums included in the list! None of Elvis’s albums are in the top-selling worldwide!!!!

    MJ is the KING and Beatles is the Best Band ever!

    1. 110M Thriller – MICHAEL JACKSON (1982)

    2. 49M Back in Black – AC/DC (1980)
    3. 45M: Dark Side of the Moon – Pink Floyd (1973)
    4. 44M The Bodyguard Soundtrack – Whitney Houston/Various Artists (1992)
    5. 43M: Bat Out of Hell – Meat Loaf (1977)
    6. 42M Their Greatest Hits 1971-1975 – Eagles (1976)
    7. 42 M: Dirty Dancing Soundtrack (1987)
    8. 42M Dirty Dancing Soundtrack (1987)
    9. 40M Millennium Backstreet Boys (1997)
    10. 40M Saturday Night Fever Soundtrack Bee Gees/Various Artists (1977)
    11. 40M: Rumours – Fleetwood Mac (1977)
    12. 40M Come on Over – Shania Twain (1997
    13. 37M Led Zeppelin IV – Led Zeppelin (1971)
    14. 33M Jagged Little Pill – Alanis Morissette (1995)
    15. 32M: Sgt. Peppers Lonely Hearts Club Band – The Beatles (1967)
    16. 32M Falling into You – Celine Dion (1996)
    17. 32M Music Box – Mariah Carey (1993)

    18. 32M Dangerous – MICHAEL JACKSON (1991)

    19. 31M 1 – The Beatles (2000)
    20. 31M Let’s Talk about Love – Celine Dion (1997)
    21. 31M Goodbye Yellow Brick Road – Elton John (1973)
    22. 30M Spirits Having Flown – Bee Gees (1979)
    23. 30M Born in the U.S.A.– Bruce Springsteen (1984)
    24. 30M Brothers in Arms – Dire Straits (1985)
    25. 30M Titanic Soundtrack – James Horner (1997)
    26. 30M The Immaculate Collection – Madonna (1990)

    27. 30M Bad – MICHAEL JACKSON (1987)

    28. 30M The Wall – Pink Floyd (1979)
    29. 28M Greatest Hits – Abba (1993)
    30. 28M Backstreet’s Back – Backstreet Boys (1997)
    31. 28M Slippery When Wet – Bon Jovi (1986)
    32. 28M Appetite for Destruction – Guns N’ Roses (1987)
    33. 28M Grease – Various Artists (1978)
    34. 27M Supernatural – Santana (1999)
    35. 26M Baby One More Time – Britney Spears (1999)
    36. 26M Nevermind – Nirvana (1991)
    37. 25M: Tapestry – Carole King (1971)
    38. 25M Faith-George Michael (1987)
    39. 25M In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida- Iron Butterfly (1968)
    40. 25M Daydream- Mariah Carey (1995)
    41. 25M Greatest Hits – Queen(1981)
    42. 25M Bridge Over Troubled Water – Simon & Garfunkel (1970)
    43. 25M The Joshua Tree – U2 (1987)
    44. 25M Whitney Houston – Whitney Houston (1985)
    45. 24M Black and Blue – Backstreet Boys (2000)
    46. 25M Hybrid Theory- Linkin Park (2000)
    47. 24M True Blue-Madonna (1986)
    48. 23M Happy Nation/The Sign – Ace of Base (1994)
    49. 23M Spice – Spice Girls(1996)
    50. 22M Metallica-Metallica (1991)
    51. 22M What’s the Story Morning Glory – Oasis (1995)
    52. 21M No Angel – Dido (1999)
    53. 21M Like A Virgin- Madonna (1984)
    54. 20M Get A Grip- Aerosmith (1993)
    55. 20M Some Gave All – Billy Ray Cyrus (1992)
    56. 20M Legend – Bob Marley & The Wailers (1984)
    57. 20M Parallel Lines – Blondie (1978)
    58. 20M Cross Road – Bon Jovi (1994)
    59. 20M Oops!…I Did It Again – Britney Spears (2000)
    60. 20M The Colour of My Love – Celine Dion (1993)
    61. 20M Believe – Cher (1999)
    62. 20M Def Leppard: Hysteria (1987)
    63. 20M Janet- Janet Jackson (1993)
    64. 20M Ray of Light- Madonna (1998)

    65. 20M HIStory: Past, Present, and Future Book1 – MICHAEL JACKSON(1995)

    66. 20M Off the Wall – MICHAEL JACKSON (1979)

    67. 20M Come Away With me – Norah Jones (2002)
    68. 20M Purple Rain – Prince and the Revolution (1984)
    69. 20M Spiceworld – Spice Girls (1997)
    70. 20M Private Dancer – Tina Turner (1984)

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_singles_worldwide

  195. Fergus says:

    TRUTH- I absolutely agree with you!

    Award-giving bodies and recording institutions know better than the fans’ biased opinions and estimates!

    CHUCK – Thanks for posting the list. No one is likely to take away Thriller on the top at 110M sales!

    I just checked on the “List of Best-selling albums BY COUNTRY” – Michael Jackson’s albums are in each (listed) country’s top 10 charts! MJ album even is no.1 even i the USA. NO ELVIS in the f top-selling BY COUNTRY lists.

    Source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_albums_in_the_United_States

  196. ALAN says:

    Post #195(Fergus). Would that be the same Wikipedia that says both the Beatles and Elvis are 100’s of millions ahead of MJ. Source: Wikipedia top record sellers.

  197. ALAN says:

    Yes MJ has some top selling albums,but they are still not greater than Elvis’s TOTAL worldwide sales

  198. lisa says:

    I agree with the person on another post that said Michael Jackson was a kiddie diddler.I know he was found not guilty in court but that doesn’t mean he didn’t play with little boys privates. O.J. and Casey Another were found not guilty also but who really believes that.

  199. YYYYYY says:

    Hey Truth,I did check Wikipedia,and it says Elvis is way ahead of MJ. There’s no question that Thriller is the worlds best selling album,but come on,110 million is highly exaggerated,it’s a number his people and record co. threw out and people ran with it. About 30 million in the US (the biggest market),so that would mean 80 million in the rest of the world.Google UK chart records,the biggest selling album ever in the UK is Queens greatest hits at just over 4 million.I checked Japans all time biggest,they have Thriller at 1.6 million.So 110 million is absurd.Mariah Carey is the only US artist on one of Japans biggest selling artist list that I saw.Although I don’t care for MJ, what he did with Thriller is indeed incredible.

  200. TRUTH says:

    Just because I referred to Wikipedia’s Music Industry article mean anything said on Wikipedia is correct ???!No,you’re kidding me !Besides, Wikipedia clearly states that Michael is the top selling artist of all times in their Michael Jackson article,and also the most popular artist . What is Wikipedia ? A free encyclopedia open tu everyone. Anyway Michael Jackson have so much more than just a Wikipedia article that supports the truth by which Michael Jackson is the best selling artist of all times. Wikipedia citing Elvis as ahead of MJ without any proof over all official bodies that claims MJ is ahead is completely ridiculous ! Come on !

  201. Chuck says:

    ALAN,
    Click on this link and it lists clearly that MICHAEL JACKSON’S FIVE out FIVE adult SOLO albums are among the top best-selling WORLDWIDE.

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_albums_worldwide

    That’s a phenomenal stat!!!! How many albums did Elvis have? More than 40!!!!!!!!!! MJ only had 10 SOLO albums in total!

    At the bottom part of the site you can click on links of the BEST-SELLING ALBUMS per COUNTRY – where MJ’s albums are consistently among the top 10!!!!!!

    No ELVIS at all i all lists!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_albums_worldwide

  202. Bruce says:

    C’mon guys, stop the ping pong banter!

    I’m really wanting to just say the fudge word here, but I’ll just let the late George Carlin do it for me – click on this link:

    youtube.com/watch?v=2uC8LSV-j2g

  203. Chuck says:

    ALAN – click on this link:
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_albums_worldwide

    YES, it’s Wikipedia but even when you go to other sites that lists the best-selling albums WORLDWIDE – MJ’s 5 albums are in the list. NO ELVIS!

    It clearly lists that FIVE out of FIVE SOLO (adult) ALBUMS are in the top-selling WORLDWIDE. Not even a shadow of Elvis’ albums is included.

    At the bottom part of the site you an click on the link of the best-selling albums BY COUNTRY – MJ’s albums are among the top 10 and even no.1 in the USA.
    Again, no ELVIS!

    Elvis made MORE than 40 ALBUMS, MJ only had 10 SOLO albums. What a phenomenal sales stat MJ has! No artist can even come close!!!!!!

  204. Bruce says:

    Stop the ping pong banter guys.

    George Carlin says it all – click on this link:

    youtube.com/watch?v=2uC8LSV-j2g

  205. Hannah says:

    MJ is the GREATEST!
    Elvis was just a heavily marketed “good looking” white man who sang songs he did not compose.
    BEFORE Elvis – there were Little Richard and Chuck Berry. But just coz they weren’t white, the limelight was put to someone else.

  206. LISA says:

    LOL.What the heck does George Carlin know,he was about as funny as a sore toe.That’s just his opinion.Everyone has one.Eddie Murphy has said that “quote”,Elvis is the greatest entertainer of all time.That’s his opinion.Screw Carlin,he sucked.

  207. LISA says:

    It wasn’t Elvis’s fault that Chuck Berry and Little Richard combined in 50 years didn’t do what Elvis did in just a couple.

  208. Alan says:

    For Truth @ post 200.Wikipedia says the same thing about Elvis in their article.Rolling Stone Encyclopedia of music says Elvis is the biggest seller.On three different occasions in recent years on American Idol,Ryan Seacrest has said Elvis is by far the biggest selling solo artist.Also in the early 70’s Elvis was pictured sitting on a motorcycle in the Guinness Book and the article had his totals at that time selling hundreds of millions around the world,so Guinness loses some credibility by saying MJ was the first to sell 100 million around the world.

  209. Alan says:

    Elvis holds the record as the artist with the most gold,most platinum and most multi-platinum albums and singles in music history (154 total just in America alone). The trophy room at Graceland is filled with gold,platinum and multi platinum awards from many other countries around the world.Yes MJ has some of the top selling albums of all time but don’t kid yourself,they are not enough to add up to Elvis’s total sales.Plus Elvis didn’t have MTV and many other music channels to help promote sales.

  210. TRUTH says:

    Really Alan ? So tell me how many did Elvis Presley’s best selling album had sold worldwide ? I did never saw any Elvis Presley album in top 100 best selling albums of all time.And in USA ? Not even in USA his greatest market by far, Elvis hasn’t an album making the top 100 best selling list ! Now what would you try to make us swallow ?
    So saying Elvis sold more than Michael is just stupid.
    It’s quite impossible. MJ is the top seller globally,not Elvis. Admit it

  211. TRUTH says:

    Elvis had released 67 albums .Any of them are among the 100 best selling albums worldwide,neither in USA his home-country !
    According to what I find out in my researches,Elvis Presley very best selling album would stand under 15 million sales globally !
    Even if we would put 10 million for every Elvis Presley albums ( 67 albums ),the total would be 670 million ( under Michael Jackson’s official claims of 750 million )so far under the so-called billion sales !
    Well, all Elvis’s alums were far to sell such an amount !
    Just Michael Jackson ‘s best selling album Thriller outsold over 50 % of Elvis Presley releases ( albums )!

  212. TRUTH says:

    So all the official sources ( the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, The IFPI,the World Music Awards , and Guinness Book Of Records ) are quite right ,proclaiming Michael Jackson the best selling artist of all times.

  213. Monique says:

    MJ the greatest male artist of all times,and so the best selling one .

    Any Elvis album is in the top 100 best selling albums in USA,his greatest market by far ! I dare Elvis fans to show Elvis 10 best selling albums worldwide as they claim with certainty that he sold more than MJ !

  214. Alan says:

    Really Truth and Monique.Do you both believe in the Easter bunny also?The rock and roll hall of fame is what it is(a hall of fame),not an official source.The world music awards are based only on sales by the IFPI which came into existence in the late 80’s,way after Elvis died.They are not the only source.The RIIA has Elvis way ahead of MJ.

  215. Alan says:

    @Chuck(post 194)MJ’s album totals on that list add up to 212 million,a far cry from the highly exaggerated 750 million that an MJ spokesperson threw out and people just ran with it.Elvis tears MJ up on gold,platinum,multi platinum albums and singles around the world and number 1’s and hits.MJ did not sale more TOTAL records around the world than Elvis.NO WAY.

  216. TRUTH says:

    There is typing errors in the post216, so I re-post it.

    Alan, I believe the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame more than you ,sorry.Since you know so much on Elvis Presley ,please show us Elvis 10 best selling albums,how many each of them had sold worldwide ?
    Michael Jackson sales were always impressive since his very debut.All that thing is already and clearly explained by the poster nicknamed Speedemon an some others.
    The post 194 is wrong, Michael Jackson global album sales surpassed the 200 million since the 80’s ,when he was the best selling artist of this decade. So this person referred to Michael’s un-updated total sales ( end of the 1980’s-debut of 1990’s).
    MJ really sold 750 million albums worldwide.Michael is the best selling artist and he sold much more than Elvis worldwide.I checked Elvis worldwide certifications and sales,I saw he had certifications from mainly only 1 country ? USA .He started to sell in 5 other countries by the end of the 1960’s ! Beside, his sales in USA per albums are not impressive.If Elvis has the most certified albums in USA,it’s only because he also have the most releases too !

    So,Michael Jackson total sales are much more impressive and amazing regarding the sales per album and also the number of releases he has ! That makes Michael better than Elvis even though he wouldn’t surpass Elvis .Well.Michael Jackson surpasses Elvis globally on total sales ! Michael Jackson have sales in every country of the world,from the more significant to the less significant ones.Nothing to do with an Elvis !
    Everything proves it,and you know it .You just deny it, Michael sold more. because you’re an Elvis fan.

    So the myth by which Elvis would top Michael Jackson on global sales is supported by no facts,no proofs ,neither any evidence.It’s a pure myth.
    How that could be possible that someone having no album reaching even 15 million worldwide topping Michael Jackson on global sales ?
    Elvis Presley can’t have more than 20 albums selling over 10 million globally,according to his certifications and sales per countries .
    Please,instead of this bla bla bla, show me Elvis best selling album and its worldwide sales.
    Also show me at least Elvis 10 best selling albums ever worldwide and their respective sales per countries.So that I can have a idea of Elvis worldwide impact on sales.Thank you.

  217. Hannah says:

    @TRUTH – I agree with you on every count.

    @ ALAN – Award-giving bodies wouldn’t just give the “Millennium Award” (World Music Awards) and the “Century Award” (American Music Awards) to Michael Jackson on the basis of “being the best-selling artist of all time” without careful study.

    Those people saying that Elvis has more sales than Elvis are just opinion from fans based on bloated estimates. Yes, it is true that Elvis did have lots of no.1 singles in the US and UK, but over-all, Michael Jackson is the top-seller WORLDWIDE. His album is even no. 1 in the USA up to now and consistently in the top 10 in almost, if not all countries around the globe.

  218. Hannah says:

    TRUTH – I agree with you on every count.

    @ ALAN – Award-giving bodies wouldn’t just give the “Millennium Award” (World Music Awards) and the “Century Award” (American Music Awards) to Michael Jackson on the basis of “being the best-selling artist of all time” without careful study.

    Those people saying that Elvis has more sales than Michael Jackson are just opinion from fans based on bloated estimates. Yes, it is true that Elvis did have lots of no.1 singles in the US and the UK, but over-all, Michael Jackson is the top-seller WORLDWIDE. His album is even no. 1 in the USA up to now and consistently in the top 10 in almost, if not all countries around the globe.

    FACT: None of ELVIS’ albums is in any of the top charts in countries worldwide, not even in the US.

  219. Fergus says:

    ALAN and YYYYYY –

    The ROCK and ROLL HALL of FAME says this about MJ:

    MJ is…. “the biggest-selling artist of all time,” “the single most awarded entertainer the world has ever known,” “the most popular artist in the history of show business,” and “the world’s most famous man….”

    Now Elvis fans – I don’t think the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame would publish something without factual evidence. So now, do you think there is a bigger star than Michael Jackson?
    rockhall.com/inductees/michael-jackson/bio/

  220. Hannah says:

    @TRUTH – I agree with you on every count.

    @ ALAN – Award-giving bodies wouldn’t just give the “Millennium Award” (World Music Awards) and the “Century Award” (American Music Awards) to Michael Jackson on the basis of “being the best-selling artist of all time” without careful study.

    Those people saying that Elvis has more sales than MJ are full of biased opinion using bloated estimates. Yes, it is true that Elvis did have lots of no.1 singles in the US and UK, but over-all, Michael Jackson is the top-seller WORLDWIDE. His album is even no. 1 in the USA up to now and consistently in the top 10 in almost, if not all countries around the globe.

  221. Joaquin says:

    @ALAN – before your bash on records of MJ, please do some thorough research before you open your mouth.

    I might be much older than anyone of you here (50’s) and have seen many ins and outs of music artists.

    Reading TRUTH’s post no.211 –

    This is exactly the point that makes the claim of Elvis fans that Elvis reached sales of 1 billion ridiculous!

    I have read in a published article that Elvis’ sales were obviously bloated. How they got the 1Billion figure was they multiplied the number of songs per album by using the highest sales of one song (record) . Say, there are 7 songs in 1 album and the highest selling record (or song) is 5 million. So what they did was they multiplied 5 million by 7! This is indeed ridiculous.

    So, OFFICIALLY, by all counts – Michael Jackson is the biggest seller of all time. I am not surprised at all why the award-giving bodies awarded him such.

    There is just no other music artist than Michael Jackson. His showmanship is beyond compare.

  222. Bruce says:

    @MONIQUE – I agree with you!

    @ALAN – can you please show us Elvis’ 10 best selling albums worldwide?

  223. lisa says:

    His showmanship. Really, I wouldn’t call kicking your leg out in front of you then turning sideways and grabbing your private parts entertainment.He looked really gross and even before Thriller,he wasn’t all that.You guys keep supporting a man who obviously liked to play with little boys.

  224. lisa says:

    The RIIA has him at 70 million in the US,so you really believe he sold 680 million in the rest of the world.Once again,there is no disputing the fact that he has some very big selling albums,but not enough to add up to the 750 million.

  225. TRUTH says:

    Lisa,Why didn’t you rather show us Elvis top selling albums instead of your bla bla bla-ing ? You’re still arguing while you’re unable to show just the 10 best selling albums worldwide ? ????

    So what proofs you got to support your claims ? Do you really believe Elvis Presley could sell 1 billion albums while his best selling one stands under 15 million ? And that a large part of his releases didn’t even reach million status worldwide ? Where does these 1 billion sales could come from ?
    Anyway,whatever the amount of albums Michael Jackson albums would reach,the fact is he totals way more sales than Elvis.
    The most important is which one has sold more,and Michael has sold way more than Elvis .it’s sure that Michael sold way more records than Elvis .Just Thriller outsold more than 30 Elvis Presley albums put together !

    Besides, Michael’s 3 other best selling albums surpasses respectively 32 million 30 million and 20 million sales worldwide ! So, enough to blow away Elvis efforts through decades ! Is quite right saying that Michael Jackson is the top selling artist ever and that he outsold Elvis by miles.
    USA is a country of the world,for God sake ! Do you mean that just a single country could surpass all the rest of the world ?
    MJ sales outsold USA are far more important than EP’s !Michael sells in every country of this planet,while Elvis main markets are the USA,then UK.

  226. Monique says:

    Hey, According to Billboard, Michael Jackson has sold over 37 million copies of his albums around the world since his death one year ago (June 25, 2009.)

    In the US alone, MJ has sold over 9 million copies of his albums in the past year ( 2009-2010). On top of that he has sold over 12 million track downloads. So,an amazing total of 49 million new sales are added to MJ’s total sales ,since 2009.Well before 2009 he was already the top selling act ever !

    The This Is It film made $72 million at the box office in the US making it the highest grossing concert film ever. On top of that, it made another $188 million overseas.

    Over 1 billion dollars were generated by Michael just the year after his death ! That’s a feat no other artist could match actually !

  227. Monique says:

    How Elvis Presley could sold 1 billion albums while his very best selling album doesn’t reach even 15 million !
    By the way,why don’t Elvis fans you show Elvis best selling albums ?

    Oh and I think that I’ve found out Elvis Presley best selling album. It is his Christmas Album that reaches 12 million on certifications + shipments,including 9 million sold in USA ! It is equally Elvis best selling album in USA. Funny ,when we know that many artists like 50 Cent , Christina Aguilera , or Usher have highest selling albums ! And I am sure that Lady Gaga,Rihanna or Justin Bieber will soon top the best selling album of ” The King ” ( as some fans call Elvis Presley )!

    And this is whom you say topping Michael Jackson on global sales ? Where did these 1 billion albums sold could come from ? Do the math ,Remove 12 million from 1 billion and you’ll see how much stupid is it .It would imply that the 66 lowest selling albums remaining has totaled 988000000 sales ( 12 000 000 – 1000 000 000 = 988000000 ). Then, 988000000 ÷ 66 = 14969696,9696 sales per albums ! All the lowest selling albums should necessarily sold each 14,9 million worldwide,whereas the best selling one couldn’t reach 13 million !
    There is no evidence that Elvis could have even 20 albums reaching 10 million sales worldwide according to figure sales !

    CONCLUSION ; THERE IS NO WAY ELVIS COULD SELL MORE THAN MICHAEL JACKSON. Elvis Presley sales are exaggerated by million light years ! He’s not that great seller ,in facts.
    See how much uneducated and dumb thinking it’s like saying Elvis sold 1 billion albums worldwide ???

  228. Fergus says:

    MONIQUE – Thanks for post226. MJ’s legacy will live on forever – BIGGER than Elvis and any other artist.

    I guess the Elvis’ fans cannot produce the list of Elvis’ top 10 selling albums. Obviously, once they do – the figures will show that it is entirely doubtful what the Elvis camp claim is true – 1 billion sales?

    With 60+ albums of Elvis not even on the top 100 best-selling WORLDWIDE, goes to show that what fans claim that he outsells Michael Jackson is total LIE.

    Elvis did make no.1 singles in the Billboard top 10 version in the US and UK back then, but hey – over all, Michael’s total albums sales have surpassed Elvis even in the US and UK.

    Michael Jackson has a clean sheet – a record no other artist has ever achieved! With 5 out of his 10 SOLO albums being in the top 70 worldwide makes Michael Jackson the unbeatable King!

    Just imagine the sales of Michael Jackson if he made 60+ albums like Elvis.

  229. Fergus says:

    @TRUTH – your post 225 is well said!

    MJ is the KING!

    @LISA – please stop your baseless accusations on MJ. You must be one of those gullible lot. MJ was INNOCENT on all charges. Whatever you say, MJ is the no. 1 GLOBAL ICON.

  230. Mango says:

    Very well said Truth,Fergus,Chuck and Monique !

    Michael Jackson the greatest artist of all time,Elvis Presley doesn’t even come close ! Everything Elvis Presley have over Michael Jackson is delusional fans that create exaggerated astronomic sales in their mind,nothing else.
    Elvis Presley best selling album is ELVIS 30 # 1 HITS
    ,that was released in 2002 and reaches 16 million sales worldwide.
    The second best selling album of Elvis Presley is his Christmas album ,selling 12 million in total including 9 million in USA ( best selling album of Elvis in USA ).

    The third best selling album of Elvis Presley probably didn’t reach 10 million sales worldwide !
    This is whom some fanatics here keep calling ” The King ” while they called Mj ” The Freak ” or “Kiddle Diddie ” ! Most of regular and cheap superstars have highest selling albums than this so-called ” King ” ! Britney Spears,Christina Aguilera,Eminem,Beyonce,50 Cent,Shakira,etc…And soon,Lady Gaga,Justin Bieber ( the baby ) ,Rihanna,Usher,and Susan Boyle ( the grand-mother ) will surely top the very best selling album of the ” Kings of delusional fans “( Elvis Presley ).
    If Elvis would release only 18 albums like Elvis,he wouldn’t be ranked in the 100 best selling artists of all time !
    While the true King of Music,Michael Jackson achieve more sales, achievements, contribution,impact in music and success globally than any other artist with his 18 albums ! And nobody could never top Thriller ,the best selling album of the true King Michael Jackson !

  231. Lisa says:

    Uh! How can MJ’s legacy live forever when the second anniversary of his death can only attract about 30 people outside his resting place.It’s fools like you guys who actually believe he sold 750 million with only 8 albums.At best he sold 350 million.The RIIA has him at 70 million in the US.You guys are stupid if you believe he sold 750 million.

  232. Lisa says:

    You guys are gullible,thinking he didn’t play with little boys peckers in bed. A grown man sleeping with little boys,that’s really pathetic.This is America,the judicial system here is the laughing stock of the world.Lots of people who are guilty get off and many people who are truly innocent get sent to prison.So keep supporting your “innocent”kiddie diddler.

  233. Fergus says:

    @LISA – can you please give us a list of Elvis top 10 selling albums WORLDWIDE to make us believe that he did sell 1 billion albums?

    Certainly, Michael sold MORE than Elvis.

    How do you know that there are only “about 30 people outside his resting place”? Wow, you sound so sure in your statements! Maybe you were there! Ha!

  234. Lisa says:

    Uh!The 30 people were seen on TV. The announcer even said it was around 30.Wow,gone only two years and a very small crowd at his resting place.Last week 34 years after he died, 15 to 20 thousand outside Graceland.MJ will not endure like Elvis.That’s for sure.

  235. Lisa says:

    Show me proof of 750 million,oh wait you can’t,because that number was made up by his spokesperson.Only 70 million in US (check RIIA site). Someone who only sells that many in the worlds biggest market can’t sell 750 million worldwide.WAKE UP MJ FANS.

  236. David in Dallas says:

    LOL! 750 million. Yea right,no freaking way.

  237. Hannah says:

    @LISA and @DAVID in DALLAS

    CERTAINLY NO WAY for Elvis’ 1 billion too!
    &%)M and 1 Billion might be both certainly no way, but for sure MJ sold more than Elvis!

    MJ has no Graceland that people can go. Wait until Neverland opens like a museum! His resting place has security, so people are not really considering to go there.

    The past anniversaries of Michael – there are tributes being done in so many countries (flash mobs for example). In 2 local department stores in where I live, all sales staff were dressed up as Michael Jackson.

  238. Hannah says:

    @LISA and @DAVID in DALLAS

    CERTAINLY NO WAY for Elvis’ 1 billion too!
    750M and 1 Billion might be both certainly no way, but for sure MJ sold more than Elvis!

    MJ has no Graceland that people can go. Wait until Neverland opens like a museum! His resting place has security, so people are not really considering to go there.

    The past anniversaries of Michael – there are tributes being done in so many countries (flash mobs for example). In 2 local department stores in where I live, all sales staff were dressed up as Michael Jackson on his death anniversary this year.

  239. Bruce says:

    @LISA and @DAVIN in DALLAS

    MICHAEL JACKSON wouldn’t be crowned “The Biggest Selling Artist of All Time” by the World Music Awards, American Awards and Guinness for nothing! Duh! Wake up people!

  240. Wu says:

    The Rock & Roll Hall of Fame official website says this on Michael Jackson:

    Michael is the…. “the biggest-selling artist of all time,” “the single most awarded entertainer the world has ever known,” “the most popular artist in the history of show business,” and “the world’s most famous man.”

    rockhall.com/inductees/michael-jackson/bio/

  241. Monique says:

    Whatever Elvis Presley fans says,Michael Jackson total sales are far superior to Elvis’s.

    Sales comparison between Elvis and Michael

    Respective best selling albums :
    MJ = Thriller ( over 70 million worldwide )
    EP = Elvis 30 # 1 Hits ( over 10 million )

    Number of albums selling 10 million or more worldwide :
    MJ = over 10 albums ( less than 20 albums released )
    EP = 2 albums ( more than 60 million albums released )

    With 18 albums,Michael Jackson is able to sell over 500 million albums worldwide.

    With 67 albums,Elvis Presley sells around 300 million albums worldwide .

    If Elvis would release only 18 albums like Michael ( even taking into account Elvis 18 best selling albums ),his total sales wouldn’t reach 100 million worldwide !

    At the other hand,if Michael would release 67 albums , My God ! Even taking into account his worst selling albums,his sales would be close to 2 billion !

    THAT’S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MICHAEL AND ELVIS !

    CONCLUSION : Michael Jackson is the best selling artist of all time.

    Michael Jackson is undeniably the one that deserves to be called The King ( of music ) according to facts,not opinion !

  242. Monique says:

    The Rock and Roll Hall Of Fame,World Music Awards, IFPI and Guinness World Records confirms all this,and also that Michael Jackson is the greatest artist of all times, the only artist deserving to be called THE KING .

  243. Alan says:

    Once again MJ fans,read this slowly so you can understand.The Rock and Roll Hall Of Fame doesn’t keep track of record sales.The World Music Awards are sales based ONLY on IFPI tracking which started in 1991,long after Elvis died.They do not know Elvis’s true sales.By the way,at the time MJ was given that award,the man in charge of the World Music Awards was said to be a close friend of Michael’s. I’m sure MJ begged and kissed his butt to get that.And Guinness Book doesn’t know they just rolled with what MJ’s spokesperson said.It really is a big joke.

  244. Alan says:

    As dumb as some people are, I’m surprised someone didn’t give him an award for greatest artist never to walk on the moon.

  245. Alan says:

    He wasn’t a king, just a pedophile who paid 20 million to keep from going to court.

  246. David in Dallas says:

    @ Hannah and @ Bruce,why do you mention me in your post,I never said Elvis sold a billion or that I was even an Elvis fan.I came across this site and thought it was funny that people actually believe Michael Jackson sold 750 million.I’m not a fan of either one but if I really had to choose, I’d take Elvis.

  247. YYYYYY says:

    Hey Bruce,Monique and Wu,I got something for you all to check out.Google “Wikipedia Progress Live” and see how MJ’s UK concert records were all shattered by the band Take That.They blew his Wembley and 02 arena records out of the water.

  248. Chuck says:

    The post below, I am just re-posting from Answer.com by Deanhastheanswer
    wiki.answers.com/Q/Discuss:Who%27s_better_elvis_or_michael_jackson

    [admin: avoid copying large chunks of content from other sites]

  249. TRUTH says:

    @ Alan

    ” By the way,at the time MJ was given that award,the man in charge of the World Music Awards was said to be a close friend of Michael’s. I’m sure MJ begged and kissed his butt to get that.”

    So tell us which butt did Elvis has kissed to get his unofficial so-called 1 billion sales claim ? Yours ?
    Yours would surely not enough significant at all ! So I guess that Elvis had to kiss much more butts than Michael could ever need to ,to get the claim of his fake 1 billion sales ! As his real sales can’t even surpass 300 million sales ( being very generous and considering all his “lost” sales and his ghost sales as well ) .And unfortunately it was useless cause no official organization supports the fake billion sales of Elvis !

    MICHAEL JACKSON IS THE WORLD’S BEST SELLING SOLO ARTIST OF ALL TIME. No buts, no ifs, NO DEBATE. It’s proven by REPUTABLE institutions and NO MERE CONJECTURE BY DELUDED FANS like you can change that. SO GET OVER IT.

    * IFPI in their summary releases STATES SO.

    * Guinness Book of World Records (with their stringent review process) STATES so.

    * World Music Awards states so

    *The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame states so

    * INDEPENDENT and IMPARTIAL DATA providers/compilers STATE so.

    * Fans (of other artists) WHO HATE MICHAEL JACKSON even say so!

    So saying all your bla bla bla bla-ing are just SOUR-GRAPING and an exercise in DENIAL.

    So INCONTROVERTIBLE CONCLUSION: Michael Jackson is the world’s biggest selling artist OF ALL TIME.

    Otherwise,since you think that you know better than all them :

    – Please show us Elvis Presley’s 10 best selling albums worldwide ( out of his 67 albums )

    -Show us how many albums Elvis got in the list of 100 best selling albums of all times

    -Show us how many albums Elvis got in the list of 100 best selling albums in USA ( Elvis strongest market by far ).
    – Show us How many albums Elvis got in the list of best selling albums in UK ( his second biggest market worldwide )

    -Show us how many 10 million selling albums Elvis got

    I even don’t ask for more,just these things will give us a large idea on Elvis’s impact on record sales worldwide, also how much he’s successful in his 2 biggest markets .And it will also help us to understand why Elvis devoted fans call him ” The King ” .
    We await your answer Alan.

  250. Bruce says:

    We must realize that in the 50’s, 60′ and 70’s singles and EP’s were massively produced.

    Let’s find the differences first among these 3 music terminologies = single, album and EP.
    Single = a song which is released as a standalone item, a song released separately from an album, but it still appears on an album.
    EP = (short for “extended play) is a musical recording shorter than album , usually containing 4 songs.
    Album= an entire collection of music, composed of several songs.

    During the 80’s and up to now, singles and EP’s are not produced as much. Albums have been the popular form of music production.

    Artists during the 50’s to the 70’s- like Elvis Presley had many singles and EP’s released, on top of their albums. Elvis had more than 100 albums (including compilation), 30 EPs and 100+ singles produced.
    Michael Jackson as a solo artist only had 10 albums and probably no singles nor EP’s separately produced.

    Lets take a look where this 1 billion and 750million figures came from:
    Where did this ‘Elvis 1 billion records sold’ come from?
    The claim first appeared through a ‘Washington Post’ article on 12 July 1982 (5 years after Elvis’ death) – Don Wardell, the product manager in charge of the Elvis catalog at publicized this 1billion figure. When BMG took over RCA, BMG tried to get a rational explanation from Don Wardell but he hadn’t got one. The new team felt stuck with a claim so had to keep quiet. Over the years, this claim had come to be largely accepted by the media and by the fans.

    Where did this ‘Michael’s 750 million records sold’ come from?
    This number appears to have originated with Raymone Bain, a former publicist of Michael. She claimed that Jackson had 750 million UNITS sold. But when Bain sued Jackson in May, she claimed he had sold over 1 billion worldwide.

    Since it was and still is impossible to get the actual sales figures before the 80’s, the 1 billion plus record sales quoted for the Beatles and Elvis Presley are NOT album sales but singles equivalents or “UNITS” – where the sale of each album should be considered as equivalent to 6 UNITS (or 6 singles).
    1 album = 6 units
    1 EP = 2 units
    1 single = 1 unit
    Over time, the 1 billion UNITS has become 1 billion RECORDS – Chinese whispers!
    It is a myth that Elvis nor the Beatles nor Michael sold 1 billion albums or 750 million albums.

    This conversion to UNITS explains why Elvis reached “1 billion UNITS” (not albums, not records).
    So, the claim of Raymone Bain that Jackson sold 750 million UNITS and even over 1 billion UNITS worldwide are just fair to say.

    Using UNITS, it is still not fair to compare the figures of Elvis, Jackson and the Beatles since both Elvis and the Beatles produced a kajillion of albums, singles and EP’s. Jackson only had 10 solo albums and perhaps no singles nor EP’s.

    However, taking the ALBUM “Thriller” alone at 110 million sales to date into UNITS-
    100Million x 6 units = 600Million !
    Bear in mind that 5 of Jackson’s SOLO albums are in the top-selling worldwide, whereas Elvis has none in the top selling worldwide.

  251. Bruce says:

    More things to consider:
    In 1987 RCA gave Elvis a awards which listed around 50 titles but had not been given due recognition for past sales. The titles included a host of mid sixties soundtrack albums and mid seventies singles which even today have failed to achieve US certification.

    According to the 1980 Guinness Book of Records “by the end of 1978 the Beatles had sold 100 million singles and 100 million albums – more than any other recording act.”

    According to the 1996 Guinness Book of World Record, Michael Jackson is the
    “most successful entertainer of all time” and the
    “the 1st to have reached more than 100million albums sold outside the USA”

  252. alan says:

    Hey Truth,you keep saying the same things over and over.You talk about reputable sites and then you mention the same old ones.I already explained about your “reputable” institutions in my #243 post.Why don’t you show me a breakdown that proves MJ sold 750 million? It would be pretty hard when the RIIA has him at only 70 million.Well,I’m waiting.

  253. Bruce says:

    @ALAN – The 1billion sales of Elvis, the 750M sales of Michael are both claims from each sides’ camps and may we well be both myths.

    However, the estimates for Elvis are very dubious considering that 1 UNIT sold from the claim of “1 billion units” are based from these conversions:
    1 album = 6 units
    1 EP = 2 units
    1 single = 1 unit

    As I mention in post#250, we must realize the differences among ALBUMS, EP’s and SINGLES.

    ELVIS produced more than 100 ALBUMS (including compilation), 30 EPs and more than 100 SINGLES.

    MICHAEL only had 10 solo ALBUMS and perhaps no SINGLES and EP’s. Singles and EP’s were only highly produced during the 50’s to the 70’s. Artists have generally just produced ALBUMS since the 80’s.

    ELVIS top selling ALBUMS are “Aloha from Hawaii” and “Elvis Christmas albums” and these 2 had the more “official” sales figures of 10M and 5M respectively.

    Looking at Michael’s ALBUMS sales that made it to the top-selling worldwide:
    Thriller – 110M
    Dangerous – 32M
    BAD – 30M
    HIStory: Past, Present, and Future Book1 – 20M
    Off the Wall 20M

    you would get a total of 212M.
    If we convert Michael’s sales into “UNITS”, just like the way Elvis and the Beatles’ sales were estimated – we roughly get:

    212M x 6 units = 1.272Billion UNITS sold
    – and this does not include yet his other 5 SOLO ALBUMS that were made when he was a teenager

    Elvis had loads of albums, singles and EP’s – so just imagine the figure you get in converting them to UNITS!

    The claim of 750M and 1billion are NOT meaning “RECORDS” but they mean “UNITS”. Along the way, the word “UNITS” was confused to “RECORDS”.

    So, it shows that Michael has a more phenomenal figure than Elvis. 5 solo albums in the top-selling alone is something no one else has achieved. And when Jackson’s sales are converted to “UNITS”, just like the way Elvis’ and Beatles’ figures were estimated – you get s more than 1BILLION figure.

    Sorry, I find it hard to explain in English since I come from a non-English speaking country.

  254. Bruce says:

    @ALAN – in addition to post#253:

    By the way estimates are done, the “750 million UNITS” claim is more believable and may actually be underestimated.

    Estimates for Elvis makes you think you are clearly massaging with numbers- you think it is acceptable to say that sales be converted to ” “6 UNITS” per album count?

    ELVIS: around 100 ALBUMS + and 30 EPs + and 100 SINGLES
    MICHAEL: 10 SOLO ALBUMS

    What is clearer is that by RATIO, Micheal Jackson was way more successful than Elvis.

  255. Joaquin says:

    To add to the posts of BRUCE:

    ALAN –
    RIAA certifications are done on US sales only, not global sales. There was also an estimation manipulated on Elvis sales’ by counting the Billboard charts of the 60’s and 70’s where 1 RADIO plays on Elvis songs was counted as a SINGLE or record sale. It’s like counting the number of phone callers requesting for Elvis song as a unit sale! This alone is ridiculous.

    RCA (record company handling Elvis before BMG) was clearly giving biased press releases in 1982 to fuel the public’s mind that Elvis was indeed the biggest seller.

    The fact that Don Carwell of RCA was never able to produce a rational explanation on his 1982 claim “Elvis’ 1 billion sales” tells us the more that it was an exaggeration on his client’s achievements. Spin and hype are not just in politics but also in the music industry.

  256. Joaquin says:

    Thanks for bringing this up BRUCE:

    “In 1987 RCA gave Elvis a awards which listed around 50 titles but had not been given due recognition for past sales. The titles included a host of mid sixties soundtrack albums and mid seventies singles which even today have failed to achieve US certification.”

    First, RCA was the recording company in charge of Elvis catalog. RCA itself graced Graceland with 50 certifications on Elvis soundtrack albums. And up to now there has been no US certification given to these very same albums merited by RCA!!! What a great way to further “decorate” Graceland. Hmm…

    Talk about marketing campaign and fooling the public to create an image that Elvis was indeed the biggest seller.

  257. Joaquin says:

    HOW CAN ELVIS BE THE BIGGEST SELLER?

    According to the 1980 Guinness Book of Records “by the end of 1978 the Beatles had sold 100 million singles and 100 million albums – more than any other recording act.”

    According to the 1996 Guinness Book of World Record, Michael Jackson is the
    “most successful entertainer of all time”
    “the biggest selling artist of all time”
    “the 1st to have reached more than 100million albums sold outside the USA”

    SHORT STORY:
    The title holder for Biggest-Selling Artist of All Time was first with the Beatles then given to Michael Jackson.

  258. Lisa says:

    @Joaquin.Forget what RCA gave him,look what he has from the official source (RIIA). Elvis is the record holder in the following.Most gold albums=92.Most platinum albums=55.Most multi-platinum albums=25.Most gold singles=55.Most platinum single=28.Most multi-platinum singles=8.That’s just here in the US.Plus back when Elvis was big an artist had to sell twice as many albums or singles to be certified gold,platinum or multi platinum.These are incredible totals for an artist or group.You have to sell a lot to get these totals.Again,you guys keep repeating what I already know,which is the fact that MJs individual albums sold many millions.I don’t doubt that.But I seriously doubt they are more than Elvis’s TOTAL sales.Plus when E.P. was around there was no MTV and all the other ways to promote his work.

  259. Bruce says:

    @LISA – in case you haven’t read my post:

    We must realize that in the 50?s, 60? and 70?s singles and EP’s were massively produced.

    Let’s find the differences first among these 3 music terminologies = single, album and EP.
    SINGLE = a song which is released as a standalone item, a song released separately from an album

    EP = (short for “extended play) is a musical recording shorter than album usually containing 4 songs.
    ALBUM = an entire collection of music, composed of several songs.

    During the 80?s and up to now, SINGLES and EP’s are not produced as much. ALBUMS have been the popular form of music production.

    Artists during the 50?s to the 70?s- like Elvis Presley- had many SINGLES and EP’s released, on top of their ALBUMS. Elvis had more than 100 ALBUMS (including compilation), 30 EPs and more than 100 SINGLES.
    Michael Jackson as a solo artist only had 10 ALBUMS and probably NO SINGLES nor EP’s separately produced.

    Lets take a look where this 1 billion and 750million figures came from:
    Where did this ‘ELVIS’ 1 BILLION RECORDS’ come from?
    The claim first appeared through a ‘Washington Post’ article on 12 July 1982 (5 years after Elvis’ death) – Don Wardell, the product manager in charge of the Elvis catalog at publicized this 1billion figure. When BMG took over RCA, BMG tried to get a rational explanation from Don Wardell but he hadn’t got one. The new team felt stuck with a claim so had to keep quiet. Over the years, this claim had come to be largely accepted by the media and by the fans.

    Where did this ‘MICHAEL’s 750M RECORDS SOLD’ come from?
    This number appears to have originated with Raymone Bain, a former publicist of Michael. She claimed that Jackson had 750 million UNITS sold. But when Bain sued Jackson in May, she claimed he had sold over 1 billion worldwide.

    Since it was and still is impossible to get the actual sales figures before the 80?s, the 1 billion plus record sales quoted for the Beatles and Elvis Presley are NOT album sales but SINGLE EQUIVALENTS or “UNITS” – where the sale of each ALBUM were estimated by converting to to 6 UNITS (or 6 singles).
    1 album = 6 units
    1 EP = 2 units
    1 single = 1 unit

    Over time, the 1 billion UNITS has become 1 billion RECORDS – Chinese whispers!
    Through the years, the public had a confusion between 1 billion “RECORDS” sold against the supposed 1 billion “UNITS” sold.

    It is a myth that Elvis nor the Beatles nor Michael sold 1 billion albums or 750 million albums.

    This conversion to UNITS explains why Elvis and the BEATLES reached “1 billion UNITS” (not albums, not records sol, but UNITS sold).
    So, the claim of Raymone Bain that Jackson sold 750 million UNITS and even over 1 billion UNITS worldwide are just fair to say.

    Using UNITS, it is still not fair to compare the figures of Elvis, Jackson and the Beatles since both Elvis and the Beatles produced a kajillion of albums, singles and EP’s. Jackson only had 10 solo albums and perhaps no singles nor EP’s.

    However, taking the ALBUM “Thriller” alone at 110 million sales to date into UNITS-
    100Million x 6 units = 600Million !
    Bear in mind that 5 of Jackson’s SOLO albums are in the top-selling worldwide, whereas Elvis has none in the top selling worldwide.

  260. Bruce says:

    @LISA– Certainly, the 1billion sales of Elvis, the 750M sales of Michael are both claims from each sides’ camps and may we well be both myths.

    However, the estimates for Elvis (and the Beatles even) are very dubious considering that 1 UNIT sold from the claim of “1 billion units” are based from these conversions:
    1 album = 6 units
    1 EP = 2 units
    1 single = 1 unit

    The claim of “750 million” for Michael may well be underestimated even if the conversion to units is applied.

    Just to make things fair – the CONVERSION to UNITS should be also used for Michael’s figures. I would assume that the “750M figure” for Michael was using this conversion, which is why it was later claimed as “over 1 billion UNITS sold” for Michael.

    As I mention in post#259, we must realize the differences among ALBUMS, EP’s and SINGLES.

    ELVIS produced more than 100 ALBUMS (including compilation), 30 EPs and more than 100 SINGLES.

    MICHAEL only had 10 solo ALBUMS and perhaps no SINGLES and EP’s. SINGLES and EP’s were only highly produced during the 50?s to the 70?s. Artists have generally just produced ALBUMS since the 80?s.

    ELVIS top selling ALBUMS are “Aloha from Hawaii” and “Elvis Christmas albums” and these 2 were Elvis’ count as his “official” ALBUM sales figures of 10M and 5M respectively.

    Looking at Michael’s ALBUMS sales that made it to the top-selling worldwide:
    Thriller – 110M
    Dangerous – 32M
    BAD – 30M
    HIStory: Past, Present, and Future Book1 – 20M
    Off the Wall 20M

    with 1=1 count, you would get a total of 212M.
    If we convert Michael’s sales into “UNITS”, just like the way Elvis and the Beatles’ sales were estimated – we roughly get:

    212M x 6 units = 1.272Billion UNITS sold
    – and this does not include yet his other 5 SOLO ALBUMS that were made when he was a teenager

    Elvis had loads of albums, singles and EP’s – so just imagine the figure you get in converting them to UNITS!

    The claim of 750M and 1billion are NOT meaning “RECORDS” but they mean “UNITS”. Along the way, the word “UNITS” was confused to “RECORDS”.

    So, it shows that Michael has a more phenomenal figure than Elvis. 5 solo albums in the top-selling alone is something no one else has achieved. And when Jackson’s sales are converted to “UNITS”, just like the way Elvis’ and Beatles’ figures were estimated – you get s more than 1BILLION figure.

    RIAA does US sales certification. But Elvis’ “gold”, “platinums” were based again on the CONVERSION to UNITS count! Not just that, the way the Billboard Charts were counted in the 50’s to the 70s was crude and different from how sales are counted now. They used to count one song being played on the radio based on a caller’s request as ONE COUNT of sales. Ridiculous!

    This is why music downloads now should be really be counted SINGLES sales. For the record, “Michael Jackson is the WORLD’S MOST DOWNLOADED ARTIST” as reported by ITubnes, Amazon, Nokia and Billboard.

    Sorry, I find it hard to explain in English since I come from a non-English speaking country.

  261. Alan says:

    My God Bruce,you may as well write a novel,as long as your post are.No matter how you think your explaining it,there is no way MJ sold more TOTAL records than Elvis.

  262. Mark says:

    No way Pedo Pan has more total record sales than Elvis.Not with the totals of gold platinum multi platinum and hit.NO WAY

  263. TRUTH says:

    ” No way MJ sold more total than Elvis “,that’s all argument you got to refute Michael’s superiority sales over Elvis ? ” No way ” ? Great argument !However, I can sell say as well for MJ: There is no way Elvis sold more total records than Michael.
    So simple,right ?

  264. TRUTH says:

    @ Bruce & Joaquin : Great explanations,and arguments ! Thanks to bring all this to the light .Now it’s clearer than ever ,Michael Jackson is by far the most successful artist and also the best selling artist of all time.
    Indeed,having over 6 albums in the all times best selling albums list ( including one outselling dozen of albums from other artists )indicates Michael is the king ,the unreachable,the untouchable phenomenon.
    I’d love to see how many Michael total record sales would reach,as they reach such an amount with only a dozen of albums !!!!
    Michael Jackson = Greatest artist of all time

  265. Alan says:

    @Truth.Great Explanation, yeah right! Doesn’t prove anything. All you guys are just spitting out jibberish. The argument we have is Lisa’s #258 post. Keep dreaming, MJ’s total sales don’t top Elvis’.

  266. Hannah says:

    @ LISA and ALAN – can you rather please post Elvis’ top 5 selling albums worldwide? With “official” numbers please!

    How can Elvis be the top seller? He’s not even in the top selling list WORLDWIDE! Not even in the top lists PER COUNTRY!

    You ELVIS fans are just part of the brainwashed public – deceived by the marketing campaign that “Elvis is the biggest seller”. Harumph I say.

    It was Beatles first, then Michael. Beatles then Michael both backed up by FACTS and by mere OPINION of Elvis fans. Duh.

    RIAA deals with U.S. sales ONLY – but didn’t you know that whats submitted to them on Elvis record count were also from RCA and BMG (record groups in charge of Elvis catalogs in the 70’s and 80’s). Do you even know that the number of records shipped were counted as sales?

    The heck with this estimation – ONLY actual sales should be counted, not how many where shipped!

    Too much on bloated estimates. Thanks BRUCE and JOAQUIN – you are right about this “UNITS EQUIVALENTS”.

    The heck with this “UNITS EQUIVALENTS”. Go figure Elvis fanatics. What an OVERRATED star you’ve got.

    WAKE UP people!

  267. Bruce says:

    @ALAN

    I am from Japan and it can be hard for me to express shortly in English. We know many facts about manipulation of Elvis and Beatles sale figures.

    Michael Jackson is cleanly the top seller.

  268. Hannah says:

    At the World Music Awards, 2000:

    Prince Albert: “I am very pleased to present the 2000 Millennium Award to an artist whose music, generosity, and unmatched showmanship has lent color and brightness to the 20th century. A thousand years from now, when the history of popular music is examined, no single performer will be as remembered and as celebrated as Michael Jackson. Its rare for a child performer to be successful in his adult career and then still that career to take off into the stratosphere as Michael’s did. And at the close of the century he has sold more records around the world than any single artist in the history …..”

  269. Alan says:

    Wow Hannah! If Prince Albert says it,then it must be true. LOL, it’s been explained more than a few times that the world music awards are only based on IFPI totals since 1991 only.They are a joke.

  270. Monique says:

    @ Alan : What Prince Albert says is certainly more reliable than what regular/delusional Elvis fanatics like you says.As of IFPI,they had certainly take into account every sales and sellers before 1990 era in their researches and studies.They are not stupid.
    Moreover ,if you and other Elvis crazy fans know all the things you claim in blogs ( thanks to internet and also books ),IFPI that is a specialized organization,with specialists,analysts,etc…( that had lived on Elvis eras ) surely know much more on Elvis sales than Elvis pathetic and brainwashed crazy fans .
    Elvis is not that great on sales ! Wake up ! Someone who needs to release over 100 albums ,for being listed among best selling artists of all time is not that phenomenal ( as such a superstar ) . Most of today’s regular superstars ( Britney Spears,Beyonce,Usher,Christina Aguilera,Justin Timberlake,Lil Wayne,Eminem,etc…) would make more and better than Elvis with over 100 albums,throughout over 5 decades !

    When all his sales and figures are examined in detail, everyone can realize that Elvis was not that great seller in FACTS ! He’s saved only by releasing endless amount of releases.If he would release like 20 albums,he wouldn’t make even the 100 best selling artists of all time list !

    I really don’t see why you Elvis fans overate and venerate him so much,and call him ” The King “.

    He hasn’t even 1 album listed among best selling albums of any country in the world ! His numerous very weak selling albums cant’ save him face to MJ’s phenomenal selling albums .
    What is phenomenal is being the top selling artist of all time ( or among the top selling ones ) with a few albums ( less than 20 ),that’s what is called untouchable feat ! Michael Jackson is untouchable on global sales.Admit it.

    Michael Jackson is the clear top seller , keep deny it haters.

  271. Hannah says:

    Wow, ALLAN! Up to now you haven’t given us the list of Elvis top selling albums (with figures), even just in the US and UK. You can’t ever give us the list because you are like looking in a pit hole, right?

  272. Down Under says:

    Michael Jackson’s camp should open Neverland to the public, like Graceland.

    Elvis’ legacy is still alive because of shrewd marketing strategies, with Graceland as a tourist spot as the best one.

    Really, who still buys Elvis albums?

    If Neverland opens like Graceland, the number of visitors will easily surpass Graceland’s. This way, the world will know that Michael’s status has long eclipsed Elvis.

  273. Lisa says:

    Down Under.Keep dreaming,MJs death and birthday celebrations in the last two years have drawn very small crowds.There are 10s of thousands gathering for Elvis still to this day,34 years after he died.Its obvious MJ will not endure over the years like Elvis.If they opened Pedo Pans Neverland,it would only draw big crowds (maybe)the first couple of years.Even then,most people would go once only because of the freak factor.In Memphis they are already making plans for the 35th anniversary next year with crowds estimated at 80,000 for a candlelight vigil.

  274. Down Under says:

    LISA,

    It’s entirely different if there’s a common place where fans can congregate. Critics have said that the Jackson camp should open Neverland to the public and it would definitely surpass Graceland’s count for visitors.

    You have to remember that the boomers (born 96 up) generally appreciate the musical genius of Michael and generally do not appreciate Elvis.

    In due time, most of the Elvis fanatics will be wiped out from this world (majority are the oldies).

    For the past 2 years – ALL over the WORLD, there have been tributes made for Michael Jackson. Only Graceland celebrates Elvis’ anniversaries, not THE WORLD. You have Graceland, just wait for Neverland. You’ll know what I’m talking about.

    Again, who buys Elvis’ albums these days?

    Even a little time before Michael’s death, his supposed “This Is It” was the “fastest selling concert in history” – selling 11 tickets per second!

    Even when Michael’s gone, he is still making history – he’s the “Most Downloaded Artist” ever.

    You have to admit that Elvis made it really big after he died and his last concerts were hardly filled up. But when Michael died, and according to critics- Michael’s posthumous sales are WAY bigger than Elvis.

    In due time, LISA – you will find out the answer who really is the real KING.

  275. Down Under says:

    LISA,

    It’s entirely different if there’s a common place where fans can congregate. Critics have said that the Jackson camp should open Neverland to the public and it would definitely surpass Graceland’s count for visitors.

    You have to remember that the boomers (born 96 up) generally appreciate the musical genius of Michael and generally do not appreciate Elvis.

    In due time, most of the Elvis fanatics will be wiped out from this world (majority are the oldies).

    For the past 2 years – ALL over the WORLD, there have been tributes made for Michael Jackson. Only Graceland celebrates Elvis’ anniversaries, not THE WORLD. You have Graceland, just wait for Neverland. You’ll know what I’m talking about.

    Again, who buys Elvis’ albums these days?

    Even a little time before Michael’s death, his supposed “This Is It” was the “fastest selling concert in history” – selling 11 tickets per second!

    Even when Michael’s gone, he is still making history – he’s the “Most Downloaded Artist” ever.

    You have to admit that Elvis made it really big after he died and his last concerts were hardly filled up.

    But Michael’s supposed last concert still made history. Also, when Michael died, and according to critics- Michael’s posthumous sales are WAY bigger than Elvis.

    In due time, LISA – you will find out the answer who really is the real KING.

  276. Mango says:

    Lisa ,keep deluding yourself.If Elvis Presley that have barely a 10 million selling album GLOBALLY is able to attract so many people 34 years he died,while he’s much less popular globally than Michael Jackson,and hasn’t even 1 album listed at any list of top selling album of any countries worldwide.How many much more people Michael would attract 50 years after his death if Neverland would be opened like Graceland ??!?? Michael Jackson ,The phenomenal artist that have one album selling more than 50 % of all Elvis albums combined ? I let you imagine that !!
    Michael Jackson = King of Music

  277. Alan says:

    Down Under,you must be from down under because you don’t know what your talking about.First if Neverland opened it wouldn’t last as long as Graceland(people come from different parts of the world to see it). Second, MJ’s This Is It ticket demands were blown out of the water by the UK group Take That(Google Wikipedia progress live)they broke several MJ concert records.Thirdly,Elvis didn’t need to sell any one album with totals over 10 million,he has so many gold platinum and multi platinum albums and singles(more than any artist or group in the history of music)that no matter what you guys think,no way are MJ’s TOTAL sales larger than Elvis’s.

  278. Eric says:

    Michael Jackson sang like Minnie Mouse. Elvis sang like a man.

  279. Lisa says:

    It’s MJ fans that just don’t know anything much about Elvis.Mango(post #276)is a joke.Elvis has more fan clubs around the world than any artist.When he played Vegas,hotel management said they would get calls from virtually every major country in the world requesting tickets.No single artist or group has played to a bigger tv audience worldwide(Aloha From Hawaii 1973). These are facts.The amazing thing is he never performed in other countries except going across the us border into Canada once in 1957.No matter what you guys think of Elvis,this is impressive.

  280. Monique says:

    @ Alan : ” Elvis didn’t need to sell any one album with totals over 10 million,he has so many gold platinum and multi platinum albums and singles(more than any artist or group in the history of music “.
    With over 100 albums,which artist wouldn’t accomplish the same ,or even more ?

    Interesting fact : Unlike other artist’s sales figures,over 40 % of Elvis figures are SHIPMENTS,not actual sales !!!! His actual sales are not impressive .

    Even though Elvis Presley sold more records than Britney Spears,Beyonce, Eminem,Usher,Justin Timberlake, Susan Boyle, Christina Aguilera, Lil Wayne, Akon, Lady Gaga,etc… but he’s still not more successful than them ! All these regular stars are more successful than Elvis cause they achieve more sales with less releases in a shorter time.Let’s see for an example :

    Sales comparison between Britney Spears and Elvis Presley :

    Best selling album :

    Baby One More Time = 26 million ( Britney )

    Elvis 30 #1 Hits =16 million ( Elvis )

    Winner = Britney Spears

    Second best selling album

    Oops I did It Again = 20 million (Britney )

    Elvis Christmas Album = 12 million ( Elvis )

    Winner =Britney Spears

    Number of albums selling over 10 million worldwide :

    Britney Spears = 4 albums
    Elvis Presley = 2 albums

    Winner = Britney Spears

    NEVERTHELESS, Britney Spears had released only 7 albums, through 12 years of career

    while ” The King ( of what ? ) ” has released over 100 albums throughout over 55 years !

    these are FACTS,not deluding opinion.

    Want to say who is greater among Britney Spears and Elvis Presley ?

    Britney destroys “the king ” Lol !!!!

    And this is this so-called ” king ” delusional fanatics wants to compare with the unbeatable Michael Jackson !!! MJ,the true King of Music!

  281. Monique says:

    Just imagine Britney releasing 100 albums alongside 55 years of career ! (actually, Britney sod over 80 million albums worldwide from 7 releases ) She would probably have more than 2 times Elvis total certifications .
    And Britney Spears is actually only the 10th best selling female artist of all time ! If we would compare Elvis with the top female seller or the second top female seller worldwide ?

    If Elvis would release only 7 albums,he would total like …30 million album sold worldwide ?

    FUNNY ! What kind of legend is this ? lol

  282. Alan says:

    Monique I’m laughing so hard at your silly statements,I can’t stop.Whenever any artist does something big,what name comes up when people compare them to?ELVIS is the name that pops up.He is the gold standard when it comes to the history of music.

  283. Alan says:

    Also,it doesn’t matter how much you release,they still have to sell an x amount to reach gold,platinum and multi platinum.

  284. Down Under says:

    ALAN and LISA

    – from what ALAN said (post 277):

    …”Elvis didn’t need to sell any one album with totals over 10 million,he has so many gold platinum and multi platinum albums and singles(more than any artist or group in the history of music0″….

    Just by saying this, you have admitted that NONE of Elvis’ albums totals to 10Million sales – how can someone get all those certifications with less than 10million sales for an album?

    The ANSWERS are simple:

    1.) Elvis might have been the biggest seller BEFORE the BEATLES and MICHAEL JACKSON.

    2.) RIAA certification is only for “Sales” in America but their counting of “Sales” INCLUDED shipments and NOT actual retail sales

    3.) DO YOUR RESEARCH CAREFULLY – RCA (the recording company that took charge of Elvis’ catalogs) gave ITS OWN CERTIFICATIONS (gold, platinum, etc) TO ELVIS’ records. RCA’s self-titled Elvis certifications were placed in the Trophy Room of Graceland when it opened in 1982- how ironic is that huh?

    Of course, that was part and parcel of “decorating” their artist so the mindless public (INCLUDING YOU AND LISA) would believe in their baseless claim in 1982 that Elvis sold “1 billion records”.

    Check the facts – It was Dan Carwell who made the 1billion claim and made awarding of certificates (platinum, gold, whatever) to Elvis’ singles, EP’s etc.

    4.) The public easily believed in the baseless claims

    5.) YOUR and LISA’s beliefs that Elvis is the top seller, along with the Elvis’ fanatics are BASED ON OPINION and BASELESS CLAIMS!

    MICHAEL JACKSON being the biggest seller is BACKED UP BY FACTS! FACTS! FACTS!

    You mean it’s just a coincidence that:
    GUINNESS WORLD RECORDS
    AMERICAN MUSIC AWARDS
    ROCK and ROLL Hall of Fame
    WORLD MUSIC AWARDS
    ALL named Michael as the BIGGEST SELLING ARTIST OF ALL TIME?!!!

    Go figure! Get FACTS, not speculations and opinion. FACTS FACTS FACTS. Got it?

  285. Tennyson in the Orient says:

    There has been a GOOGLE doodle for Michael on his birthday.
    None for Elvis.

    Michael was invited to open the New York Stock Exchange in 2001.
    Elvis was never invited.

    Michael CREATED and performed art.
    Elvis just performed art.

  286. Lisa says:

    Tennyson, out of all 285 post, yours is the dumbest. Not worth anymore reply.

  287. Tennyson in the Orient says:

    Oh whatever LISA.
    What I’m tryin to say is Michael is BIGGER and GREATER than Elvis.

  288. Bruce says:

    Elvis will surely not win the new and the next generations’ hearts. He will soon fade.

    The ones who still like Elvis are mostly old. Sorry to say, but the majority of the Elvis fans are old and they will be gone soon. Elvis will fade soon.

    Michael Jackson is also amazingly loved even by the new generation. His fan base is not just composed of the oldies, but ALL age ranges – even this new generation truly appreciate his musical genius. This is such a big factor to make his legacy alive for a long, long time.

    Elvis’ fans have to admit that in the last years of Elvis’ life, he was declining as an artist. His last concerts were hardly filled up.
    Elvis made it really big after he died.

    Whereas
    Michael’s supposed last concert “This Is It” was selling 11 tickets per second! There was a huge demand for tickets ALL OVER THE WORLD! Michael was (and still is) still very much loved!

    Even when Michael’s gone, he is still making history – he’s the “Most Downloaded Artist” of all time.
    Also, Michael’s posthumous sales are WAY bigger than Elvis.

    Just face it – Michael is the KING! A Bigger and Greater KING. And GLOBALLY loved. The NO. 1 GLOBAL ICON.

  289. Alan says:

    Uh!To match Elvis’s legacy, MJ’s appeal better last for the next 35 years like Elvis’ has. I seriously don’t see that happening,very small crowds gathering in the first two years since he passed.The album MICHAEL not even hitting number one in the two biggest markets. Sure,there will be a few big things in the next two or three years,but no where near as long as it has lasted for Elvis.

  290. Alan says:

    MJ fans really need to get over themselves.If there is any justice in the world, Dr.Murray will be acquitted, just like MJ did (pretty sure he was guilty). Even if Murray is found guilty, he only faces up to 4 years. He probably will end up doing less than that.

  291. Suzie in Sing says:

    Alan,

    I love Michael Jackson more than any other artist in half of the 35 years of my life, but I ended up not buying a copy the album “Michael” because I seriously think majority of the vocals there are not his.

    The CD sales figures are still impressive though (above 5M CDs sold worldwide) despite the fact that some Jackson family members did confirm (prior to the album’s release) that a lot of vocals there aren’t Michael’s.

    Also, this is a generation of downloads. The 5M copies sold does not even include the downloads yet. I ended up cherry picking the tracks that I think are truly Michael’s voice via downloads.

    MJ will always be the best and the greatest.

    READ THIS:

    When “Hold My Hand” from the album “MICHAEL” reached the Top 40 of the Billboard Hot 100, Jackson became the first artist to have had Top 40 hits in the 1970s, 1980s, 1990s, 2000s, and 2010s, joining Ray Charles and The Four Seasons as a five-decade chart act.

  292. ALAN says:

    Suzie,it’s your right to like anyone you do.But don’t talk about the billboard charts,cause overall,Elvis kills MJ on the charts.Plus when MJ has an album that hits #1 in 26 countries and a single that hits #1 in over 20 countries 25 years after he died like Elvis then we can talk.

  293. ALAN says:

    Read This: No single artist or group in the history of music has played to a bigger TV audience than Elvis Presley did with his 1973 Aloha from Hawaii show.

  294. Monique says:

    Alan : Impressive audience for Elvis though,but read this :

    No single artist or group in the history of music is more popular than Michael Jackson worldwide.

    No single artist or group in the history of music has a bigger selling album than Michael Jackson’s album Thriller.

    No single artist in history of music has more success than Michael Jackson.

    No other single artist or group in the history of music has reached 100 million + albums outside the USA before Michael Jackson

    No single artist in the history of music has sold more records worldwide than Michael Jackson

    Michael Jackson is the
    “most successful entertainer of all time”
    “the biggest selling artist of all time”
    “the 1st to have reached more than 100million albums sold outside the USA” .

    See ?

  295. Suzie in Sing says:

    Hi ALAN,

    Ok, I wont talk abut Billboard – it’s not important anyway. I know it’s only based on how many phone calls radio stations get for song requests.

    Let’s talk about the NUMBER OF COPIES OF ALBUMS SOLD WORLDWIDE.

    I am from Singapore and I just came across this site. Michael Jackson is really loved here.

    Oh, I just read thee most recent posts here.

    I saw you have not posted the top-selling albums worldwide of Elvis.

    It is true that Michael’s 5 solo albums are in the tops-selling around the globe, very impressive figures.

    He is the only solo artist who has that record – ever.

    RIAA certification is only for U.S. sales and it is based on “no. of copies SHIPPED”.

    MJ’s copies sold is based on ACTUAL RETAIL SALES.

    I know that the Elvis Christmas album is Elvis’ best-selling album at 12M copies sold. How embarrassing- this is the artist you call the greatest???

    To make it clearer, please post Elvis top-selling albums worldwide (with numbers of copies sold please!)

  296. Alan says:

    No Suzie,embarrassing is getting handcuffed and charged with child molestation so many times.And it doesn’t matter that he was found innocent,so was O.J.Lots of people who are guilty get off and some people who are innocent get sent to prison,it happens all the time.I love America,but the judicial system is terrible here.

  297. SVKHounddog says:

    This is bull sh**.
    Elvis never molested someone. Priscilla’s parents know about friendship of their daughter, but he never molested her. If you see some Priscilla’s interview she is tolding that Elvis wanted her to end her school at first and also reach age. Elvis was true believer, and saw in cilla part of his mother. So molesting is total bull. He never had roller coasters in his garden or other things, and for me is crazy for 50 years old person to heave these in his backyard. Elvis was the first who creates fan hysteria and for me was more talented than MJ. Elvis reach his fame concerting Only in the U.S and one time in Canada, he never reach Europe!!! Elvis was in show business only for 23 years (1954-1977) an 10 years from that he was doing only Movies, which is for most people C class movies.MJ was there for 2x times longer.He never did that many concerts like Elvis did. Elvis was addicted but only on Prescribed drugs, not the street drugs, I know that is the same, cause it is a drug, but MJ was the same on this side. When Elvis dies, American dream dies with him. He performs in his live around 1500 songs and was the one and only who sold Madison square garden 4 times in a row. For me comparing MJ and Elvis is incomparable, Different time, different type of music, he had shows only in US and him in whole world, career years……
    *Sorry For my English, I’m not from English speaking country.

  298. Melissa says:

    Anyway,no matter what you say ,no matter what you think,everything proves Michael Jackson is the king of music,and way greater than Elvis,Sorry elvis fans

  299. Melissa says:

    Michael Jackson is the best selling solo artist of all time

  300. visa says:

    First of all I am an Asian and guess what my friends have no idea who the hell is Elvis. But U can ask anybody about Michael Jackson, they can tell he is the greatest artist that ever lived. Elvis loved mostly by White but Michael is loved by all. Of course Michael sell less than Elvis coz he had only 10 solo albums and he sold 750 millions but Elvis had more than 50 albums! and yet he sold only 1 billion…So according to real math..MJ sold his albums more than Elvis. Michael left Motown because he wanted to write and sing his own music..he is a real artist because he write his own songs unlike Elvis..Most Elvis song’s are written by black artist and he just sang..Plus MJ dance was magic and impossible inspired by James Brown..To Elvis Ignorant fans,MJ neva look upon Elvis and neva told that he is a King..Listen to his Harlem 2002 Speech. He neva mentioned Elvis at all as his idol or the king. Plus what makes Michael Jackson the REAL KING is that he wants to heal the world through his music.Pepsi burned his hair and they give him 1.5 million for that but after visiting the burn patients Michael give all the money to help the patients. He has supported 39 charity organizations and donated more than 300 millions. He saved a kid’s life by getting him a liver after searching all around the world. He visited children orphanages before touring..He use him fame and power to heal the world. Sorry to say this but Elvis was ignorant. Of course u gonna say…Elvis did Charity too but MJ was pure and the most kindest artist I hv ever seen…I am glad if I ask my friends now who is the greatest entertainer,they immediately say Michael..He is forever the real King..I don’t hate Elvis but Michael really surpassed him in everything :) He is also the most awarded artist in the world and he broke color barrier becoming the first black artist in MTV . He changed the world so much and 70% of today’s artist are inspired by Michael Joseph Jackson…

  301. visa says:

    oh I forget to tell this..yes Michael played instruments such as guitar and piano for his invisible album and the most amazing thing about Michael is that he is music himself..he use his mouth a.k.a beatboxing to deliver his song’s rhythm from his mind which is truly amazing..He don’t need instrument .He is music himself..Its amazing right? well I understand Elvis fans will disagree with me because they love him..:) Michael is forever the king for me ;)

  302. WayDown says:

    MJ will be over in few years as it was the case just before his sudden death (even you, fanatic fans will forget him to other junk electronic playback artists).

    I was born in Asia and I’m an Elvis fan since I was 12 (now 35), and I’ll never spend a day without listening to the King. The man could beat the clown in record selling only with his singles sales.

  303. Speed Demon says:

    “MJ will be over in few years as it was the case just before his sudden death”

    Really? The 50 This Is It concert shows sold out in a matter of hours in the months before he died. The Thriller 25-reissue was commercially and critically successful in 2008. So was the King of Pop album, released the same year. This simply isnt consistent with your claim that MJ was “forgotten” before he died.

    That you reduce MJ to a “junk electronic playback artists,” shows more about you than it does him. MJ was very versatile in terms of genres and hybrids of it. His catalogue of songs proves this. You can hear everything from classical (Little Susie) to industrial (Morphine), from rock (D.S.) to soul (Butterflies), from jazz (I Cant Help It) to funk (P.Y.T.), from gospel to dance and you name it, in his music.

  304. WayDown says:

    “Speed Demon”, in the 2000’s, the rare times we heard of MJ on the TV was about his strange life style and plastic surgeries. But during the last 5 years of his life, NOTHING (even not news about his weird personality). So you can say what you want but truth is truth.

    Now about music, I have no comment about a playback artist.

  305. Monique says:

    Michael Jackson is the king.I am from Asia and I am 26 .Elvis Presley was never more popular here than Michael ,never ! Everyone ,fans or not know Michael.Elvis ? no one,maybe just his fans .There is nothing here in Asia that could prove Elvis was as popular as Michael Jackson.Michael Jackson is the unbeatable King of music and he will always be the king .

  306. peter charlie 1991 says:

    mj fans are so jealous that they are making up stories about elvis , elvis is the best selling solo artist in music history with over 1 billion sales and mj fans this will cheer u up cos hes 300 to 400 million sales short of elvis if u dont believe me check guiness world records 2012 book ,

  307. Monique says:

    No,Elvis has 1 billion of album sales+ EP sales + LP sales+ Single sales + calls for song request. and this is along a 56 years career length ! Plus shipments were included in the count of his sales unlike Michael’s.

    Michael Jackson is the best selling artist cause he sold more ALBUMS than Elvis and from much less releases and in a shorter ! Michael Jackson did not released Single nor EP neither LP however he’s still up to The Beatles and Elvis Presley that had released countless ones ! So Michael Jackson is the more phenomenal artist ! Michael Jackson is way more popular worldwide than Elvis !

  308. Monique says:

    Elvis released hundreds of albums ,singles,EP,LP and being overcertified got only 1 billion sales throughout 56 years of career according to Guinness !? Michael Jackson is definitely more phenomenal anyway!

  309. WayDown says:

    The king overcertified ?!!! Are you kidding? Millions of the King’s stuff is yet uncounted! Do some research on internet!

    It’s ridiculous to compare any artist to the King, this is just ridiculous.

  310. Monique says:

    ” It’s ridiculous to compare any artist to the King, this is just ridiculous.” Why ? Because he had released hundred of albums,singles, EP and LP along 56 years of career ? How many his best selling release had sold worldwide ? I remind you that many regular artists like Britney spears,Usher,Shakira,50 Cent,Eminem etc.. have highest selling releases than your ” King ” !
    What kind of king is this ? The king of bigger amount of albums,singles,EP and LP released ?

  311. Monique says:

    RIAA Artist Certified Units in Millions ( As of December 2008 )

    Artist Certified Units in Millions
    BEATLES, THE 177
    PRESLEY, ELVIS 134.5
    BROOKS, GARTH 128
    LED ZEPPELIN 111.5
    EAGLES 100
    JOEL, BILLY 81.5
    PINK FLOYD 74.5
    JOHN, ELTON 72
    STREISAND, BARBRA 71.5
    AC/DC 71
    JACKSON, MICHAEL 70.5

    Michael had sold 70,5 million albums in USA according to RIAA’s certificationsas of December 2008.Well Jackson became the best selling artist in 2009 worldwide after his death and had sold 9,5 million albums in USA in 2019-2010 ! So technically he had jumped from the 11th place to the 7th :

    1-BEATLES, THE 177
    2-PRESLEY, ELVIS 134.5
    3-BROOKS, GARTH 128
    4-LED ZEPPELIN 111.5
    5-EAGLES 100
    6-JOEL, BILLY 81.5
    7-JACKSON, MICHAEL 80
    8-PINK FLOYD 74.5
    9-JOHN, ELTON 72
    10-STREISAND, BARBRA 71.5
    11-AC/DC 71

    : Rank of Best selling artist of all time In Europe ( as december 2008 )

    Rank / Artist / Total sales
    1 / Beatles – 92,500,000
    2 / Queen – 80,050,000
    3 / MADONNA – 74,600,000 [incl. 1M for Hard Candy]
    4 / Michael Jackson – 70,200,000
    5 / Pink Floyd – 69,900,000
    6 / U2 – 59,300,000
    7 / Phil Collins – 55,200,000
    8 / Rolling Stones – 53,800,000
    9 / Elton John – 52,600,000
    10 / ABBA – 52,300,000
    10 / Dire Straits – 52,300,000
    12 / Celine Dion – 51,900,000 [incl. 1M for Taking Chances]
    13 / Rod Stewart – 43,500,000
    14 / Elvis Presley – 43,300,000
    15 / Bee Gees – 41,500,000
    16 / Robbie Williams – 40,800,000
    17 / Genesis – 39,900,000
    18 / Bruce Springsteen – 37,600,000
    19 / Simply Red – 36,900,000
    20 / Paul McCartney – 35,400,000

    Michael Jackson had sold over 10 million albums in Europe between 2009 and 2010.So the updated rank is :
    Rank / Artist / Total sales
    1 / Beatles – 92,500,000
    2 / Queen – 80,050,000
    3 / Michael Jackson – 80,000,000
    4 /Madonna – 74,600,000 [incl. 1M for Hard Candy]
    5 / Pink Floyd – 69,900,000
    6 / U2 – 59,300,000
    7 / Phil Collins – 55,200,000
    8 / Rolling Stones – 53,800,000
    9 / Elton John – 52,600,000
    10 / ABBA – 52,300,000
    10 / Dire Straits – 52,300,000
    12 / Celine Dion – 51,900,000 [incl. 1M for Taking Chances]
    13 / Rod Stewart – 43,500,000
    14 / Elvis Presley – 43,300,000
    15 / Bee Gees – 41,500,000
    16 / Robbie Williams – 40,800,000
    17 / Genesis – 39,900,000
    18 / Bruce Springsteen – 37,600,000
    19 / Simply Red – 36,900,000
    20 / Paul McCartney – 35,400,000

  312. Monique says:

    as we see, Elvis is not a king in Europe.He is only in USA ( as solo artist ).Well 134 million is not a phenomenal figure for someone that had released more than 1o0 albums !and in 56 years of career ! It’s almost like he had sell 1 million of each of his albums in USA ! his amount of sales in America is not even twice as much as Michael !
    Now , Michael Jackson had sold like 80 million albums in USA,through 32 years of career .Michael Jackson is clearly the one that deserve to be called king ! And he sold way more albums in Europe than Elvis ! Michael is the King,not Elvis.

  313. Monique says:

    MJ also outsold Elvis in Asia,Australia,Canada, Brazil,Argentina,Mexico…. Michael Jackson is a worldwide king,Elvis is a local king ( he is only in America ).

    @Waydown : you said “it’s ridiculous to compare any artist to the King,this is just ridiculous ” have you see how your king is topped everywhere worldwide ( but USA ) on sales by other artists ? Go and check the lists of best selling artists in Canada,Brazil,,Australia,Japan,South Korea,China,etc….
    your king is nowhere in these lists…

  314. WayDown says:

    Dear Monique, the King outsold any artist/group (even the Beatles and by far). He began his career in 1954 and his best years were not totally counted, and he still remains 2nd with 134 million albums sold. He was not an album seller but a single seller (he sold much more singles than albums in the 50’s, his best years…), and RIAA’s list is made on albums, but still he remains faaaaar ahead comparing to Michael.
    For other countries, the RIAA was the oldest company starting to count sales and still it came after the King’s best years, other countries in Europe and the rest of the world didn’t even see passing the King’s albums and singles in the 50’s, the numbers you gave are issue from the 60’s when he made movies, and 70’s when he had a good career from 69 to 73 (he died 4 years later), but still he has a good rank (with only 20% of his sales counted!). All these truths are explained on the internet, for example Bing Crosby sold 500 million records, is he on your list? NO because his best years were in the 30’ and 40’s.
    About being worldwide, I don’t know for you but I was born in Asia and was teenage in the 80’s (MJ’s best years). I can confirm you that MJ was not even the King’s shadow in the public opinion. “Elvis the Concert” is still touring the world by filling stadiums 35 years after his death! Let’s keep an eye on the MJ’s career 35 years later!

    Now if you prefer MJ, that’s good for you, but don’t take dreams for reality

  315. Monique says:

    @ Waydown : Sorry I don’t believe a word out all that you say since you say that Elvis was huge in Asia !!! HE was never huge there in facts, I know that ,every Asian knows that ! His music is till unknown here.YOU LIE ,people of every generations don’t know him ! Michael Jackson was always way more popular than him !
    I also don’t believe that only 20 % of Elvis labums are counted ! FALSE ! the certifications of all his albums are known and showed ! The ones that are not being showed are the ones that are not certified cause they had not sold ! So simple ! Elvis had only albums from 1956 and they had sold very low as the certifications show ! Sales were very insignificant then cause only 2 countries ( USA and UK ) were able to buy music significantly ! then a few other countries ( Canada,France ,Germany )were included in worldwide music sales.Even in the 60’s worldwide music sales were yet very low ,The Beatles had the best selling album of all time with an album selling 5 million worldwide in 1965 ! I let people imagine the regular sales at these times ! The worldwide music market had get wide when many other countries of the globe had their economy increased ( in the late specially in the 80’s and 90’s that are called the glorious decades by the music industry ).Then many countries of the globe that were excluded on worldwide music market became able to buy music ( Brazil,Mexico,Australia,Japan,South Korea,China,Taiwan,Argentina,Italy,etc….)Michael started rightly in the better decade ( 80’s ) that’s why he had far more phenomenal sales than Elvis . And I showed Michael outsold Elvis on album sales,I didn’t mention singles sales as Michael didn’t released singles.

  316. Monique says:

    That’s also why Guinness World Record claimed that Michael Jackson is the first artist ever to have sold 100 million albums outside the USA ! Michael is the global king of music !

  317. WayDown says:

    OK Monique :o)

  318. robby says:

    @Monique: Sorry to burst your bubble,but the new Guinness Book of World records says Elvis is the biggest selling worlwide solo artist. Biggest in the US and world.He beats MJ.Case closed.

  319. Regina Middleton says:

    I always felt sorry for all the Jackson siblings because their parents lacked parenting skills> unlike Elvis’s devoted parents. Elvis was rooted in moral values and believed in the LORD/CHRIST. While Elvis swayed away from his up-bringing Christ never left his heart. He loved Gospel Music and never had a concert without lifting up Christ in song. I believe this is the main reason that he will be remembered throughout future generations and Graceland will continue to be the most visited placed in USA second to the White House. How many people are visiting the deceased Beatles home and grave site. Remember the BEATLES stated that they were more popular than GOD & after that one statement they were unable to perform together ever ‘again’. Think about it, Elvis wasn’t ashamed of Christ and honored and praised HIM. Whereas the Beatles lifted themselves higher than Christ.

  320. Robby says:

    The RIAA has Elvis ahead of MJ

    Guinness Book of World Records has Elvis as Biggest Selling Solo Artist

    Soundscan has Elvis selling more than MJ since it started in 1991

    Elvis is the king of music. Not MJ

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