Mariah vs. Madonna

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Contributed anonymously:
Although I am a new member of Pop Dirt I have been following the Mariah vs. argument that’s been raging on here for some time and there are a few things I’d like to say in regards to it (read this Mimi & Madge fans!):

Firstly, in direct contrast to what old lady fans may believe, all of the singles off of ’s “The Emancipation Of Mimi” have reached the Top 10 of the Hot Digital Songs chart, ‘We Belong Together’ reached #2 on HDS & Tracks and has sold enough to go 3x Platinum, helping it on it’s way to a huge 14 week run at #1 on the Billboard Hot 100 this summer [in fact, at the beginning of it’s chart run, some people were saying that ‘WBT’s’ placing on the Hot 100 was being artificially inflated by SALES! When ‘Don’t Forget About Us’ was leaked last week and managed to get to #13 in the iTunes chart before being withdrawn, so it’s not like she is succeeding on airplay alone, which is what some jaded Madonna fans seem to think.

Secondly, when Mariah released “Charmbracelet” in 2002 it’s singles got almost no airplay, so I don’t know how people can claim that Mariah or her record company have ‘brought’ airplay this time round, as she was on the same record company at the time of “CB’s” release – what’s changed?! Surely a radio station would never allow someone to simply ‘buy’ enough airplay to get to #1, as their audience would drop greatly, and as I’m sure you know Mariah has had the two songs with the biggest radio audience ever this year (more “Mimi” records!), so she must be doing something right.

Thirdly, “The Emancipation Of Mimi” has sold over 4 million copies this year in the US alone so far, making it the second biggest selling album of the year, and yet, it is STILL in the Hot 200 this week [it’s 32st week], competing with brand new, over hyped albums, such as “Confessions On A Dancefloor” in the Top 5 [it’s spent over 20 weeks there]. This is an awesome achievement – if the public were sick of Mimi or the airplay it’s songs were getting then why would it be selling 200,000 copies in it’s 31st week in the Top 20?!

Fourthly, “TEOM’s” 1st week sales were 406,000, over 50,000 ahead of “COAD”, with [at the time] barely any airplay and without the HUGE advertising campaign “COAD” has received. It was, in fact, Mariah’s biggest first week ever, [and her 27th and 28th weeks at #1 on the Billboard 200] proving that, still setting records in her 15th year, she is still relevant and people still want to hear her.

Next, one of the things that continues to be brought up in this debate is style of music (or, in Madge’s case, lack of). One of the claims made against “TEOM” is that it is pandering to the needs of the public’s current love of R&B […or something along those lines]. Well, R&B is the type of music that Mariah sings! The failure of “Charmbracelet” in 2002 (selling over a million copies, more than double a certain “AL”, is apparently seen as a failure when you are the biggest selling female artist of all time) can probably be put down to the public’s general dislike of R&B at the time, but this is the type of music Mariah makes and she won’t be cheaply ‘re-inventing’ herself every time she releases a new record just to remain popular. ‘Hung Up’ has received the biggest advertising campaign I can remember, and the level of hype that “COAD” has had is shocking, with it you would have expected “COAD” would have done slightly better (not that I‘m denying 350,000 isn’t good for 1st week, but lets see if the album can keep it up, shall we? My guess is no, but it’s not up to me, it’s up to the public…).

The reason “COAD” has been so popular in Europe is that the music that is popular there is cheesy dance, step forward a certain trend-follower (that’s Madonna, for those of you that didn’t guess), although I suppose you wouldn’t know about the music scenes in other countries since you are to busy defending Madonna to take your head out of your own a.r.s.e.s! This is compounded by the fact that, not only does Madonna know that if she releases these songs in Europe that it will get to No.1 in Uzbekistan (or somewhere), but she directly COPIES hit European songs, hoping no-one will notice!

And finally, for those of you who are still undecided on which diva I shall be supporting in this war, I put it to you to compare the following lyrics, and decide which song you would rather have your kids (or even YOU) listen to:

I can make it through the rain, I can stand up once again
On my own, and I know that I’m strong enough to mend
And every time I feel afraid, I hold tighter to my faith,
And I live one more day, and I make it through the rain

Or

My name is Dita, I’ll be your mistress…
Erotic, erotic, put you hands all over my body
I want to make love in a train, cross country…

The former is from ‘Through The Rain’, [Mariah’s #1 sales] single which made #81 on the Hot 100, the latter from one of Madonna’s many songs about old lady love – with the same level of subtlety as the Black Eyed Pea’s ‘My Humps’ (i.e. – none). Scary isn’t it?!

And finally, finally, heed this warning, Madonna fans, she may be at number 1 now, but she hasn’t even won the battle yet, let alone the war!


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55 thoughts on “Mariah vs. Madonna

  1. raynaldo capron says:

    madonna is played out when will she realize that the diva has taken her place back at#1.give it a rest hag

  2. Armando Bocanegra says:

    :O WOW! You hit this argumen right to the point. I agree with you 100% Also have you heard of the YouTube video about Madonna? “Madonna Fake Sales” I tend to believe it, I even researched it through Guinness Book of World Records, and the video was correct. Madonna really did lie about her sales. Therefore, she really isn’t the Best Selling Female Artist. SOME THING TO THINK ABOUT!!!

  3. Sara says:

    What a desperate cow!! Mariah has become such a joke!

    Seriously! The whole music industry is laughing at her and at her tactics to get the fake no Is. No wonder why she doesn’t have any hits outside the US /worldwide where she cannot manipulate her top 10 with hype and payola :(

  4. lamb for life says:

    please whoredonna is a bitch and needs to face her day are numbered and Mariah is queen of the billboard charts

  5. The Power of Pop says:

    Madonna can fill up stadiums/ outsells Mariah within JUST 30 minutes on global basis.

    Seriously, there is no comparison here! Mariah can even sold out town halls.

    Next..!

  6. JOHN says:

    The arguments found in this post are rather stale as they have been two years old!

    As you know, the single “Hung Up” went number 1 in a staggering 45 countries (US not included), number 1 in the dance chart in over 80 countries including Billboard and is the number 1 dance hit of the decade, again according to Billboard! “Sorry,” “Jump” and “Get Together’ were all international smash hits!

    Her concert “Confessions” raked in more than $200M, the biggest concert sales by a solo act in music history. Two years later, Madonna would break again her record with “Sticky and Sweet,” with $408M.

    To identify European music as “cheesy” is an abomination. You don’t have a single idea what you are talking about. Are you denouncing the musical influence of the Beatles and the Rolling Stones as the most popular bands of all time, Elton John, Rod stewart, the Beegees and all the European acts just to prove that Mariah is indeed popular? How pathetic you all lambs are!

    Madonna is famous around the world, from the US to Mozambique, from Europe to Asia, from UK to Madagascar, plain and simple. THE ESSENCE OF AN ICON IS UNIVERSALITY AND PERMANENCE, honey. Madonna’s music transcends geographical locations and timelines. Mariah is just popular in Billboard, that’s it! Madonna has been in the business for 27 years and is still kicking!

    Are you saying that Mariah does not use major advertising campaigns to promote her album? Oh come on, don’t flatter yourself. Eversince her first album, she and her ex-husband Sony mogul have been bribing radio DJs and stations to play her records (isn’t she known as the payola queen) and have been collaborating with all the composers and artists in Hollywood just to make her contemporary? Artists and audiences simply grew tired of her machinations that is why she had a melt-down and her concerts are so flop that you can even race cars inside the venue for there aren’t too many people watching! She was seen in American idol, Oprah, Nick Cannon’s show and just about every TV show when her E=MC2 came out, but still the album didn’t meet its expectations.

    Madonna, on the other hand raked in thousands and thousands of people in her concerts for prices ranging from 180-500 dollars. and her albums sold like hotcakes all over the world. Even her greatest hits “Celebration” went to n0.1 in 12 countries. Mariah released “The Ballads” album last year and didn’t even hit the hot 100 in at least two countries. What a shame!

    And finally, the lyrics of both Madonna and Mariah. The lyrics of the Madonna song you posted was taken from “Erotica,” and obviously (like many pea-brained lambs) didn’t get the message of the song. the song is a parody of how people articulate their hidden desires by identifying themselves as “their alter egos.” In Madonna’s case it is Dita, the dominatrix! Madonna’s songs deal with materialism, the gender-bender divide, the need for self-expression, sex, religion, the politics of class, age and racial struggles.

    Mariah’s songs deal with the tacky interpretations about love, life and making a difference, while playing the quintessential bimbo. Even 12 year-old kids could compose those songs. My god there is nothing special about the songs “Hero'” Everytime You Need a Friend, Dream Lover, Honey but cheesy and puking perspectives about heroism and the need for love. The lyrics are so pedestrian and melodramatic. Madonna’s songs are more artistically, lyrically and musically superior. IT TAKES A REAL ARTIST TO WRITE SONGS THAT GLORIFY THE HUMAN CONDITION AND THE SURROUNDING FORCES THAT CHALLENGE IT!

    I know why you lambs are so uptight about Madonna’s enduring stature and influence. YOU COULDN’T SEEM TO UNDERSTAND WHY MADONNA STILL REMAINS ON TOP DESPITE HER SO-CALLED MEAGER TALENT (in singing that is) COMPARED TO MARIAH. The truth is, you don’t have to have the best voice to rule the charts. John Lennon, Elvis presley, Michael Jackson and Bob Dylan were not the best male singers in music, but they were hailed as the greatest.

    SO STOP COMPARING MARIAH WITH MADONNA. MARIAH IS A SUCCESSFUL SINGER BUT MADONNA IS AN ICON!

  7. STACY says:

    John, you exaggerate about Madonna’s Music fufilments compared to Mariah Carey’s. Each of them got respective records and achievements.If you were talking about sexual scandal and unbridled behavior,It’s obvious that Madonna would win at 100 %. However,about talent and musical records and achievements,Mariah is much better than Madonna.There is several things in which Mariah beat Madonna. Mariah Carey revolutionized music and has Awards that nobody will have until 1000 years.Even Madonna take advantage of Mariah’s music revolution.Now,Madonna works and sings with Rap/Hip hop artists such as Missy Elliott,Timbaland,Pharrell Williams,etc…thanks to Mariah.Mariah is also the # 1 musical influence Worldwide,and a vocal icon.
    Madonna ‘s tours are very successful and she got most number 1 singles worldwide than Mariah,so what ? Madonna just use her sex-symbol status to achieve her sales worldwide and for topping the charts . If she wouldn’t make those tricks and eccentricities in her work, she’d never reach this level of success .Madonna know it ,that’s why she always introduce sexual suggestion in her material .She’s famous for public masturbation and coney boobs while Mariah Carey is famous for reaching vocal notes nobody can. Madonna’s tours sell out cause people are very interested and attracted by sexual eccentricities .As everybody know,sex sells better than anything else. People are hothead and excited to see Madonna’s eccentricities live,that’s why she got huge success on tours.Madonna is more impressive at lucrative aspect than at artistical one.
    Everything proves that European loves cheesy music particularly : Madonna and Eminem are both specially successful in Europe and got several # 1 hits there .Nevertheless ,they are far to be the best in their respective musical genre !However,both have one thing in common : unbridled behavior and sexual eccentricities.Eminem is the only rapper who is very successful in Europe,and he’s rightly the most unbridled.For Madonna,I even don’t need to talk about her behavior,we all know. Contrary to what you try to claim,this have nothing to do with Beatles,Elton John or Rolling Stones ! How pervert and degenerated you are,all fans of Madonna.
    Mariah is famous around the world ,from US to Haiti,from Asia to Europe,from Japan to Moroco, From China to Brasil.Mariah got several classic musics everywhere worldwide : Hero,My all,Always Be My Baby,O Holy Night,All I Want For Christmas Is You,Anytime You Need A Friend,When You Believe,One Sweet Day,etc…Those songs are timeless,and you can hear them anytime on radio anywhere worldwide.However,since when did we ever hear Like a Prayer,la Isla Bonita,Frozen or Papa Don’t Preach ? Only Madonna’s fans always remind those songs now,no one else.There are many generations who don’t know those songs,but every generations knows Mariah’s classics.
    About Payola, Mariah Carey’s musics are good enough to reaching the top in Charts without use Payola or sexual eccentricities .Moreover,this is Madonna who is a payola artist,not Mariah. In November 2005 Warner Music Group has agreed to pay a $ 5 million fine after an investigation by New York State Attorney General Elliott Spitzer’s Office found that the Company has been involved in complicated payola schemes. What a shame !

    About album sales,at least Mariah Carey got two albums ranked in the Top 10 best selling albums by female artists of all times while Madonna got just one, with most releases than Mariah.
    The lyrics of Madonna’s songs are unbridled and perverted,everyone know that.so don’t philosophize about their meaning.They just incite to sexual intercourses and perversions.They encourage unbridled sexual behavior and make teen girls get pregnant .That’s why Madonna’s songs are particularly successful with depraved and sexual degenerated people.Madonna’s song lyrics are useless,any depraved and talentless person could compose those songs.
    However ,Mariah Carey is a great composer and songwriter,in the same level than Carole king,Diane Warren,David Foster,Walter Afanasieff,etc…her songs are exactly like those composer’s. Can we imagine great composers like Mariah,David Foster or Carole King writing unbridled and immoral lyrics like Erotica or Papa don’t preach ? Madonna’s songs are not only pedestrian,they’re also obscene ,boring .Even though Mariah’s songs doesn’t incite to masturbation, they got much more to offer than any Madonna’s song ,in which the capability to raise up great emotions,feelings and sensations ,and has constructive messages..They deal with Love,Passion,Joy,Courage,Perseverance,Faith,Gratitude,Injustice, Emancipation ,Life meaning,etc… IT TAKES A REAL ARTIST TO WRITE SONGS THAT BRING CONSTRUCTIVE MESSAGES WHICH HELP PEOPLE TO FACE PROBLEMS AND SEARCHING F OR THE TRUE SENSE OF LIFE ,INSTEAD OF JUST ENCOURAGE BASIC INSTINCTS .
    A TRUE MUSICIAN SHOULD BE ABLE TO AMAZE PEOPLE BY TALENT , SING SKILLS AND VOICE,NOT ONLY BY ECCENTRICITIES AND CRUDENESS.
    I know why you Madonna’s fans are so frustrate about Mariah’s talent ,voice and achievements.In Just 20 years of career,she achieve so much .YOU CAN’T UNDERSTAND THAT MARIAH STILL THE BEST ARTISTRICALLY AND MUSICALLY .SHE CONTINUE TO HAVE SUCCESS BECAUSE OF HER EXCEPTIONAL TALENT AND VOICE,THAT PROVE SHE’S A REAL SINGER.The truth is, you don’t need to show your ass and your breast to succed in music,when you got voice and talent. Paul Mc Cartney,Elvis Presley,Michael Jackson and Bob Dylan were not the most vulgar and sexually coarse male singers but they hailed as the greatest.
    SO STOP COMPARING MADONNA WITH MARIAH. MADONNA IS A SEXUAL ICON AND A BUSINESS WOMAN, BUT MARIAH IS A VOCAL ICON AND A MUSICIAN.

  8. aronga says:

    Madonna is definitely a GLOBAL icon when Mariah is just a local singer. No offense but she’s only able to chart well in 01 chart : The Billboard hot 100. strangely enough she’s not even able to fill a 2 500 seats club ! that’s not a legend. where are the Number one hits ? she is a chart manipulator,she uses airplay and payola more than anybody else when Madonna even in US is able to have the biggest tour of the year despite not being played AT ALL on US radios. Mimi looks like a slut. she can’t dance and can’t sing anymore. her domestic sales are pathetic.she hasn’t revlotionnized anything in music.She also used famous rappers and Tommy Motola to be “popular”… sorry truth hurts. Madonna is the ultimate legend.

  9. TRISH says:

    Aronga you are like Madonna, that’s why you defend her .I hate women like you,which would do anything for money or for success,it’s disgurting.As a woman,I ashamed for you.John is just an idiotic person and an a-hole who venerate Madonna.But everybody know that your idol is a GLOBAL slut icon when Mariah is THE FEMALE SINGER OF ALL TIMES. Madonna just able to promote her ass and incite perverts like John to masturbate theirselves.Billboard is the bigger music Chart Worlwide and Mariah rule in it next to Beatles and Elvis Prestley.Madonna got UK Chart and tours because of her ass and breast,when Mariah got Billboard Chart and record sales because of her talent and her voice.Madonna use payola and her body to get Charts when Mariah use her incredible voice and talent to get Charts.Mariah Carey revolutionized music since her Remix of Fantasy in 1995 with Old Dirty Bastard.Today,all Pop artists,even Madonna sing with rappers now,because of Mariah Carey’s music revolution. Madonna’s Tours success is not impressive as it’s not really a concert,it’s rather a Streap Tease that Madonna make next to her public .Then it’s not Madonna’s music which really interesting those persons ,but Madonna’s sexual eccentricities and scandals Mariah Carey’s music is popular everywhere worldwide thanks to her exceptional voice and her talent.You said that Mariah looks like a slut,but you must know that Madonna is a slut ,like you. Mariah is just beautiful and sexy and contrary to Madonna, she doesn’t get her body damaged by hundreds of men in sexual adventures .Madonna’s ass is damaged because she was with too many men in her life ( more than 500 men ).That’s why we know she’s a slut !Besides, it’s disgurting to see this middle aged woman still making sexual tricks with her body for getting her albums sold. Unfortunately, Madonna is too old to play sexy chicks : her asses,thigh and face are emaciated by time.So it’s blunty Make you feel sick to watch this damaged body trying to make sexy tricks,or wearing a bikini /dance clothes (video clip of Hung Up ).I admit that it made me laugh a lot the first time I saw this foolish video,but next times,I found it blunty ugly and disgurting. Everybody know dance,there is so many people who dance so better than Madonna ; artists, star,average people.etc…But Mariah carey know sing better than anyone worldwide..As Simon Cowell said “ To sing a Whitney Houston song is very hard,to sing a Mariah Carey song is a vocal suicide ! “.I know you’ll be very angry,but I just tell truth,sorry.
    Mariah Carey is the Vocal legend and THE FEMALE ARTIST OF ALL TIMES.

  10. MARKUS says:

    NO ARGUEMENT HERE

    MADONNA WINS IN THE END.

    ASK THE RECENT GUINNESS RECORD FOR 2011

  11. MARKUS says:

    200 MILLION ALBUMS SOLD ACCORDING TO GUINNESS WORLD RECORD.

    IF WE COUNT THE SINGLES OF MADONNA THAT MAY TRANGE FROM 80 TO 100 MILLION..

    PRESUMABLY MADONNA’S RECORD IS AROUND 280=300 MILLION ALBUMS AND SINGLES

    DEF JAM, MARIAH’S RECORD LABEL HAS ANNOUNCE MARIAH HAS GOT 175 ALBUMS AND SINGLES TOTAL..

    SEE PEOPLE…

    300 MILLION – MADONNA (27 YEAR CAREER)
    175 MILLION – MARIAH (21 YEAR CAREER)

    NEEDS TO REINVENT? I SUGGEST.

  12. MARKUS says:

    well what you said does make sense, afterall in 2008 year end, e=mc2 was listed with 1.9mil, but I don’t think it sold enough to bring it to 2.5mil yet, so probably 2.2 to 2.3mil I guess.

    and yes I calculated Madonna’s too (i started calculating artists’ sales because I wanted to compare both of them anyway lol)

    1980s: 71,000,000
    – Madonna: 9,000,000
    – Like A Virgin: 20,000,000
    – True Blue: 21,000,000
    – Who’s That Girl: 4,500,000
    – You Can Dance: 4,500,000
    – Like A Prayer: 12,000,000

    1990s: 70,500,000
    – I’m Breathless: 5,500,000
    – The Immaculate Collection: 25,000,000
    – Erotica: 5,500,000
    – Bedtime Stories: 6,500,000
    – Something to Remember: 7,000,000
    – Evita: 6,500,000
    – Ray Of Light: 15,000,000

    2000s: 37,300,000
    – Music: 11,000,000
    – GHV2: 6,000,000
    – American Life: 3,500,000
    – Remixed & Revisited: 1,000,000
    – Confessions On A Dance Floor: 8,500,000
    – I’m Going To Tell You A Secret: 1,000,000
    – The Confessions Tour: 1,300,000
    – Hard Candy: 3,500,000
    – Celebration: 1,500,000

    2010s: 400,000
    – Sticky & Sweet Tour: 400,000 (thus far)

    Total: 179,700,000

    as for singles, I calculated up till celebration (revolver not included), its about 118million.

    therefore adding up both album and single sales, would give around 298 million, which is roughly on track with the leaked ifpi top selling artists list in 2005 before confessions on a dance floor was released. I can’t find the link anymore. they placed her at 4th position behind the beatles, Michael Jackson and Elvis presley, with sales of 275 million. plus all albums from confessions and after, its already over 290 million. adding in singles sales, it would be slightly over 300 million.

    guinness slightly deviates from calculated album sales. in 2001 Madonna is listed as selling 120 million album in the records book. adding her sales thereafter, it would be around 160 million albums sold by now, an 18 mil difference from mine, but tallying her singles sales too, should also be around 290 million records sold.

    so there you have it, Madonna’s sales is in the range of 280 to 310 million, distancing herself a 100 million in sales away from Mariah Carey. Madonna, the true best selling female artist of all time.

    i don’t think Mariah Carey fans can turn this around, the difference is too huge and def jam agrees Mariah only sold 175 million. all they can harp on now is Mariah being given the best selling female artist of the millenium at the world music award in 2000, which is actually because Madonna didn’t reply to wma’s letter, so they gave it to the next most deserving artist.

    as for other artists, the only ones I calculated are (album sales only): Britney Spears 70 million, Celine Dion 160 million, Michael Jackson 205 million

  13. TRISH says:

    Markus,make an effort,it’s time for you to think about something else than your **** ! There is many more interesting things in life than masturbation ! Try to appreciate the quality of music ,Sex is sex,music is music ,don’t combine both !

  14. TRISH says:

    Mariah sold 150 million albums in 2001 ( Millennium Award ),in 2003,this number turns to 155 million ( Chopard Diamond Award ).In 2005,The sales of Mariah’s albums worlwide reached 175 million worldwide.in 2009,this number turns to 200 million ( albums only ). Mariah is the second best selling female artist with 200 million albums sold worldwide .Even Wikipedia ( the worse hater of Mariah ) agree with this number now.So Markus,go and get a sexual life instead of fantasize on Madonna’s ****#@ !!!!

  15. Music lover says:

    Trish,you’re wrong,Mariah sold 180 million albums,not 200 million.This is Madonna who sold 200 million albums.

    Markus,you’re wrong,Mariah sold 180 million albums,not 175 million albums & singles.She’s the second best selling female artist of all times behind Madonna !

  16. Mala r says:

    Mariah sold more than 190 million of albums,not 180

  17. john says:

    The posts of Stacy and Trish (I wonder if they are one and the same) are just so ungrammatical that they are too painful to read. Try attending writing workshops so you’ll know how to make your subjects agree with your verbs. And please review your basic grammar lessons and spelling rules, please! What an eyesore.

    Anyway, I really don’t have to defend Madonna in Billboard. She is the number 2 (after the beatles) as the MOST SUCCESSFUL ARTIST OF ALL TIME, the artist with the MOST TOP 10 SINGLES IN ROCK HISTORY, the artist with THE MOST NUMBER 1 DANCE HITS OF ALL TIME, the BEST SELLING FEMALE ARTIST IN ROCK HISTORY, the BEST SELLING CONCERT ARTIST IN ROCK HISTORY. Let Mariah have Billboard’s #2’s most number 1 hits. Honey, Mariah needs to amount to something. Otherwise, her 20 year-career in music wouldn’t matter.

    But outside of Billboard, Madonna is larger than life. Mariah is nothing but a whimper. You lambs all know that!

    Madonna is a Golden Globe winner, a Guinness Record Holder, a Rock n’ Roll Hall of Fame inductee, A New York Times Bestselling author (of 8 children’s book, mind you!), the interpreter of 2 Academy award winning songs, a famous philantropist (nobody knew about Malawi until she brought it on the map by helping).

    Lambs said that nobody remembers Madonna’s songs now. Then why did Glee (TV’s most famous series) pay a tribute to her music and became the show’s first number 1 in the Billboard? Why are Britney, Xtina, Pink, Rihanna, Lady Gaga and all the major female singers now patterning their styles with Madonna? Nobody wants to emulate Mariah. Rihanna sings Vogue at the fashion Rocks, Xtina’s “Not Myself Tonight” video is a tribute to Madonna’s Express Yourself.

    Madonna has been critiqued and discoursed in Ivy League universities and schools worldwide. Thanks to her uncanny ability to reinvent herself. With regard to her sexual eccentricities (you termed this but I wonder what this means because there are no such terms), YOU’RE RIGHT! Madonna used sex and religion to solidify her place in everybody’s consciousness because Sex and Religion sell. Elvis Presley was considered obscene and his music,the work of the devil during the 50s because nobody performed like him before. His swagger and the twisting of his pelvis was unseen before and he was castigated. Now, he’s a music legend! Same with MJ’s crotch-grabbing, Dylan’s feisty lyrics and Lennon’s posing nude in his albums.

    So quit your traditional puritan views about sexuality. Mariah got some of her ideas about being sexually provocative from Madonna. Like I said Mariah is a successful singer and songwriter. You lambs should be proud of that.

    But to level her with Madonna is like comparing popsicles (which Mariah insanely distributed in the TRL show) with Creme brulee.

  18. STACY says:

    Dear John : You said that my posts ( and also Trish posts ) are unreadable cause they got too many grammatical errors ?First,I am not Trish,why would I need to post comments under another nickname as I already have one ? It would be senseless ! And I don’t know for Trish, but about me, It’s normal cause English is not my language.In fact ,I am a Spanish language person and I’ve just learned English at school !At least,I manage to communicate in a foreign language sufficiently to make myself understood.I used this English nickname for integrate the debate better ( my true name is Estella ).That’s not bad for a non-english person ! Besides,I participate not only in English entries,but also in Spanish and French ones ! How much of you can do the same ?

  19. john says:

    You’ll be surprised how many languages I can speak, write and discourse on, stacy.

    But this is not about you or me, honey. This is about whether Mariah and Madonna belong to the same category!

    So cut the narcissistic crap and stick with the real issue.

    Next!!!!

  20. RDMTJR says:

    Mariah Carey sold 232 million records (180 million albums sold plus 52 million videos,singles ect.) for only almost 2 decades

    Mariah Carey use jesus greatness did through her song and her unmeasured undeafeted incredible godess and angelic vocal talent from above and a greatfull mind to write and compose music to reach this 200+ million records

    Madonna sold 257 million records worldwide (200 million albums sold plus 57 million videos,singles etc.) for a long time 3 decades, Madonna did not sold 275 or 300 millions records (no female artist sold that records)

    Madonna use her ancient pupularity,dark influence,large ass/vagina hole,plastic boobs and experemented body fu** by 500 men,sexual and verginity lyrics/song to reach this 200+ million records.

    I’m sorry for Madonna fans but this is the fact and the truth.

    from: wikidumper.org (the truth/fact source of Mariah huge haters wikipedia.org before they edited the truth to lie.

    see the difference of the light and the dark

    light sold 232 million records for only almost 2 decades

    dark sold 257 million records but in a long time 3 decades

    and I’m not liying, I’m telling the truth and fact

    thank you for reading my truth/fact article.

  21. john says:

    The truth is that you RDMTJR belong to the dark because your grammar too is incomprehensible. Madonna burst into the music scene just 6 1/2 years ahead of Mariah (she debuted in Billboard in Nov 1983), so your claim of 3 decades is simply unreliable. Know your math. 1983-2010 is not 3 decades. Mariah is in the business for 20 years now, so almost 2 decades is also a fallacy.

    Madonna does not have fake boobs (your idol is the patron saint of the surgically treated)! You claim that Madonna is dark and Mariah is light. Just look at their complexion. It takes a twisted mind to come up with fallacious syllogisms!

    If Madonna belongs to the dark, then let it be. I’d rather be dark but artistic than light but dumb!

    Whatever you say, billboard has already christened Madonna as THE BEST-SELLING FEMALE ARTIST IN ROCK HISTORY!

    NOW, CHEW ON THAT!

  22. TRISH says:

    John : I don’t think you really could write,speak and discourse on many languages .As such a French -Canadian, my true language is French.Did you really think you could be better than me in English if it was my maternal language ? Surely not,as I am very good in French which is my language !
    Talkin about Madonna’s and Mariah fulfillments,Mariah is a Millennium Award winner ( the only female artist ever which got this award ),a Guinness Record Holder,a best selling creator ( some of her fragances ),the interpreter of 1 Academy award winning song,the worldwide holder of best Voice overall ‘s title.Mariah is not yet a Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame inductee but sooner or later,she will !( Madonna inducted it in 2008,after 25 years of career.Mariah got 20 years of career ) .You said that Madonna is a famous philanthropist,but how many children Madonna killed when she had her multiple abortions { from her multiple non-legitimate pregnancies resulted of the hundreds of men she dated ) ? 30 ? Maybe 40 or 50 ? We don’t know exactly.Everything we know is that she did it at least 30 times in her life ( she rightly explained her experience on teenage pregnancy ,abortion and her struggles with her father about all this in her song Papa Don’t Preach ).I guess that she gotten pregnant since she was 12-13 years old ( perhaps she lost her virginity at 8 ).
    Then it’s clear that Madonna is evil and darkness while Mariah Carey is good and light . Among the both,who would you want your daughter to emulate ?

    Congratulations,RDMTJR ! I see that like me ,you’re not afraid to tell the truth !Don’t worry about those stupids Madonna’s fans, they are mostly gay people who haven’t seen the real world outside gay discos. What else can we expect from such persons ?

  23. TRISH says:

    Well, Mariah is the number 1 MOST CUMULATED WEEKS AT # 1 IN BILLBOARD US HOT 100. MOST NUMBER 1 HITS EVER BY FEMALE ARTIST IN BILLBOARD HOT 100 and MOST NUMBER 1 HITS OVERALL AT BILLBOARD HOT 100 JUST BEHIND BEATLES AND ELVIS PRESLEY.The MOST PLATINUM SINGLES BY FEMALE ARTIST IN HISTORY.The BEST SELLING R&B ARTIST OVERALL IN HISTORY. The BEST VOICE EVER in POP MUSIC HISTORY.The NUMBER ONE WORLDWIDE MUSICAL INFLUENCE .THE MOST NUMBER ONE HITS PENNED BY A FEMALE SONG-WRITTER, Ahead Carole King and Diane Warren,Just behind PAUL MCCARTENEY AND JOHN LENNON.
    Mariah Carey is a Millennium Award Winner.(Mariah and Michael Jackson are the only artists ever who got the MILLENNIUM AWARD).Mariah is the most World Music Award winner ever in music history.Mariah’s We belong together is the most successful song ever by female artist in BILLBOARD History.Mariah is the first female artist who win the CHOPARD DIAMOND AWARD.Mariah Carey’s songs are the most performed on talent searching competitions like FACTOR X, AMERICAN IDOL, STAR ACADEMY,etc… Mariah got some of ideas about sexuality from older artists such as Marilyn Monroe and the 1990 supermodels,not from Madonna.It’s not Madonna who introduce sexyness in the world.There are much older female artists Like Marilyn Monroe,Brigitte Bardot,Marlene Dietrich, etc…and more recently,the beautiful and sexy Supermodel s like Cindy Crawford,Naomi Campbell,Claudia Schiffer,Christy Turlington,etc…who were very successful worldwide like models.Like them,Mariah is beautiful and sexy without making crudeness ,nor became a shameless sexual object like Madonna.Maybe Madonna is the most sexy female artist on earth,but Mariah is above all a singer unlike Madonna whom is a Sex-Symbol above all. You try to make swallow here, that every sexy female artists take their sexyness from Madonna. It’s UNTRUE. Marilyn Monroe, Brigitte Bardot,Raquel Welch,Ursula Andress,Elizabeth Taylor,Rita Hayworth,Marlene Dietrich,etc… were the first female artists which introduce sexyness in Art.Maybe ,most of today artists are mainly influenced by Madonna’s image,but it’s not the case of every artist ( specially the ones who are from Mariah’s generation ).
    Outside U.K Chart,Madonna is almost nothing over Mariah,you must recognize it.
    Many artists ,like Rihanna claimed that Mariah Carey is their favorite singer .Besides,Leona Lewis,Christina Aguilera,Kelly Clarkson,etc… emulate Mariah Carey at singing style and voice. .Mariah’s songs got more covers versions than Madonna’s.Shania Twain sings All I want for Christmas is you during her live performance on the Today Show. Miley Cyrus also did the same in Disneyland during the Walt Disney World Christmas Day Parade.

  24. TRISH says:

    John,how can you be so IDIOT ? What skin complexion have to do here ????? You’re so queerly ! Don’t you know that the word light is generally used for meaning and suggesting good and pure soul ?? but not skin ? and darkness means blindness,foolishness and evil ?? IDIOT ! It was with such a pea-brained mind that you tried to play grammatiacal genius ? PPPFFFFFt !!! Otherwise.is this only in ( English) grammar you know something ? And about what do you usually write,discourse and speak on ‘ “many languages “ ? on complexions ? or Madonna ? it’s so silly !

  25. MUSIC says:

    It’s make me feel very disappointed and embarrassed when I see Madonna’s fans and Mariah Carey’s fans fighting ,cause I love both artists.I saw and read many Popdirt topics and noticed that the ones which deal about Mariah Carey AND Madonna are the most animated .I also notice that Mariah got more supporters ( globally ) and that most of Mariah’s supporters are females ,whereas Madonna’s are males .I admit that those debates are very useful ,cause they make us know many things we didn’t know before ,about the artists they deal with and even about others artists ( cause everybody write what they know and express themselves in accordance to what they learned in their background about those artists ).We also have the opinions of many people,from different kind of education .In this way,I learn a lot of things ( which are not avaible in the Web,or are difficult to find ) about not only Madonna and Mariah,but also Nana Mouskouri,Celine Dion,Whitney Houston,Cher,etc..)At least,we are sure about something : Madonna and Mariah Carey are very popular , and are by far the two greatest female artists on earth ! Most of us love Mariah Carey such as an exceptional singer ,and Madonna such as an exceptional entertainer .They are both different through their work,so the only thing which explain their constant rivalry is their incredible success ( In fact, how many entries are devoted to Celine Dion or Whitney Houston ? not a lot comparatively to Mariah’s and Madonna’s ).Besides,we usually see that entries oppose Mariah to Madonna whereas they never oppose any other female artist to Madonna ! It prove that Mariah is the female artist who is the most close to Madonna in success,popularity and achievements ! However ,why do you still figth ? Don’t you see that it’s pointless ? Why don’t you surpass your pride and say SINCERELY what you really know as TRUTH ?
    Let’s try to make this simple :
    Talkin about success of both, we have to recognize that Madonna is more successful,talkin about talent,we have to admit that Mariah is more talented.
    SALES : Madonna got more albums and more singles sales ( 200 million albums,70-80 million singles ) whereas Mariah’ s sales are 185-190 million albums sold ,55-60 million singles .Madonna is also a better concert seller than any female artist.
    POPULARITY : Madonna got the advantage ,though Mariah is more popular worldwide than we usually know ( specially in Oceania and some parts of Latin America ,Africa and Europe).
    MUSICAL CONTRIBUTION & REVOLUTION : Mariah wins,her music influences most artists and her work disrupts music .
    TALENT,VOICE & SING SKILLS : Mariah wins.She sing all genres ,her voice is adaptable to all genres.She got a better voice and is technically & creatively better than any female artist.Mariah also give more of her material than any other female artist.
    As we see it ,Madonna and Mariah Carey surpass all other female artists by far ! Both artists beat any others female artists at sales,popularity,influence,# 1 hits worldwide,etc…about talent & concert sales ,one of both got the supremacy over all other female artists .
    No doubt,Madonna and Mariah carey are both legends and icons.Madonna is greater than Mariah at success,like Mariah Carey is greater than Madonna at talent.BUT,as people usually attach more importance to success than talent,we have to say that Madonna is greater than Mariah Carey. HOWEVER ,Madonna and Mariah Carey are both in the league of greatest music legends of all times : Beatles,Michael Jackson and Elvis Presley .

  26. celj says:

    mariah

  27. john says:

    SORRY TO BURST YOUR BUBBLE, TRISH. ENGLISH IS NOT MY FIRST LANGUAGE (NOT MATERNAL AS YOU UNGRAMMATICALLY PUT IT) BECAUSE I AM NEITHER ENGLISH NOR AMERICAN. NEVERTHELESS, IT DOES NOT GIVE ME THE LICENSE TO BASTARDIZE THE LANGUAGE BY POSTING REALLY HEAD CHURNING STATEMENTS ON THIS PAGE. I GUESS YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THAT IS GIVEN THE VERY MINUTE BRAIN YOU HAVE BETWEEN YOUR EARS.

    YOU SAID:
    You said that Madonna is a famous philanthropist,but how many children Madonna killed when she had her multiple abortions { from her multiple non-legitimate pregnancies resulted of the hundreds of men she dated ) ? 30 ? Maybe 40 or 50 ? We don’t know exactly.Everything we know is that she did it at least 30 times in her life ( she rightly explained her experience on teenage pregnancy ,abortion and her struggles with her father about all this in her song Papa Don’t Preach ).I guess that she gotten pregnant since she was 12-13 years old ( perhaps she lost her virginity at 8 ).

    ANSWER: NOW LOOK AT HOW YOU ANSWER SUCH SENSELESS AND BASELESS RETORTS AT A VERY SENSIBLE FACT. YOU CLAIM THAT MADONNA IS EVIL AND YOU AND MARIAH ARE SUCH HOLY VESSELS BUT LOOK AT HOW YOU FORMULATE THESE BIASED AND JUDGMENTAL REMARKS AGAINST MADONNA. HOW DID YOU KNOW THAT MADONNA HAD 30 ABORTIONS, SLEPT WITH AT LEAST 50 MEN AND LOST HER VIRGINITY AT 8 WHEN YOUR SOURCE OF CONTENTION IS HER SONG PAPA DON’T PREACH???? YOU ARE REALLY LOW, KIDDO. SO LOW, THAT YOU NEED TO DIG UP YOUR OWN GRAVE. MADONNA GAVE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS AND HAS PUT UP A BIG SCHOOL (NOT JUST A BUILDING) FOR MALAWI CHILDREN TO COMBAT AIDS AND EDUCATE THEMSELVES FROM THE QUAGMIRE OF POVERTY AND HOPELESSNESS. SHE EVEN ADOPTED TWO MALAWI CHILDREN AND WAS EVEN PRAISED BY THE MALAWI GOVERNMENT AND THE UNITED NATIONS FOR SUCH A SELFLESS ACT. HOW MUCH OF THIS HAS MARIAH DONE IN HER ENTIRE CAREER? KINDNESS IS NOT JUDGED BASED ON TACKY AND MUSHY LYRICS ALONE BUT GOING OUT OF YOUR COMFORT ZONE TO HELP PEOPLE WHO ARE IN NEED. THAT IS THE TRUE MEASURE OF A BEAUTIFUL SOUL, MORON!

    Then it’s clear that Madonna is evil and darkness while Mariah Carey is good and light . Among the both,who would you want your daughter to emulate ?

    CERTAINLY I WOULDN’T WANT MY DAUGHTER TO BE LIKE MARIAH WHO PRETENDS TO BE GOOD WHILE BRANDISHING HER FAKE BOOBS IN SILLY VIDEOS, SWIMMING WITH DOLPHINS, AND HAVE FANS WHO LOOK AT LIFE AND THE WORLD ON A ONE-DIMENSIONAL SCALE. I WANT MY DAUGHTER TO HAVE A CRITICAL MIND, CAPABLE OF JUDGING THE GOOD AND EVIL NOT IN TERMS OF SUPERFICIAL UNDERSTANDING BUT OF LOOKING AT THE HEART OF THE MATTER.

    IT IS ALSO UNTRUE THAT BARDOT, MONROE, DIETRICH AND TAYLOR WERE THE FIRST FEMALE SEX SYMBOLS. SO MANY HAVE GONE BEFORE THEM LIKE THEDA BARA, CLARA BOW, JEAN HARLOW WHO FIRST USED SEX AS THE ULTIMATE SELLING POINT IN FILMS. DO SOME RESEARCH, DUDE!

    I REPEAT, MADONNA HAS BEEN CANONIZED BY BILLBOARD, ROLLING STONE, GUINNESS BOOK, FORBES MAGAZINE AND ALMOST ALL LISTS AS THE BEST SELLING FEMALE ARTIST OF ALL TIME. YOU MARIAH FANS ARE THE ONLY ONES WHO FAIL TO RECOGNIZE THIS BECAUSE OF YOUR BLIND FANATICISM. SHE MAY NOT HAVE THE VOICE OF MARIAH (ALTHOUGH SHE CAN NO LONGER SING NOW BUT ONLY CROAK LIKE A FROG) BUT HER INFLUENCE EXTENDS FAR BEYOND HER TALENT.

    EVEN MARIAH HERSELF RECOGNIZES THIS THAT SHE GREW UP WITH THE MUSIC OF MADONNA. THIS IS AN ULTIMATE PROOF THAT SHE RECKONS THE POWER OF MADONNA’S MUSIC.

    SO PLEASE! I SALUTE MARIAH AND HER ACCOMPLISHMENTS IN THE LAST TWO DECADES. BUT THAT’S IT. DO NOT MESS WITH THE HARD FACTS. IN TERMS OF INFLUENCE, GLOBAL RECOGNITION, ARTISTRY (INCLUDING TV, VIDEO AND FILMOGRAPHY), SOCIAL CONSCIOUSNESS, UNIVERSAL AND COMMERCIAL APPEAL, COMPARING HER WITH MADONNA IS LIKE SAYING YOU LIKE JELLY BEANS OVER BELGIAN CHOCOLATES!

  28. PEDRO says:

    John,Trish is Right Marilyn,Cindy,naomi,Claudia,etc… are the female who had the most influence on people by their sexyness and their beauty,not Madonna.Moreover,I’m a Latino and I would like you explain to me what do you mean when you said about Madonna and Mariah Carey ” Look at their skin complexion” Did you mean that Mariah is Dark you know her father was black? In fact,anyone can’t see any difference on the respective skin of Madonna and Mariah.You just want remind the origins of Mariah Carey.You know what? You’re a fu**ing a-hole John to introduce racism in this debate.Be careful my friend,don’t mixt art and racism.Mariah carey is a thousand times better than Madonna,whatever she’s black or white.She honored these two races,you must know recognize it,if I could next to you I would slap you for your insolence.If you judge the work of an artist by his/her skin complexion you make a big mistake. Madonna is nothing compare with Mariah Carey.All facts prove it.Madonna is is a sexual OBJECT,Mariah Carey is a full talent singer.I was a Madonna fan till you said these discriminate words,now I hate her like you John.Now I understand why you always deny the fulfulments of Mariah face to Madonna and Celine Dion then Mariah is a thousand times better than them in everything.I’m almost sure that you’re an european.

  29. RICARDO says:

    What skin complexion has to do here John.this debate treat of talents and achievements of two big singers.Don’t introduce the question of skin color here ok?

  30. RICARDO says:

    Even if Madonna is 100% white and Mariah doesn’t,she stay a big singer John.Moreover,Mariah is most beautiful than Madonna.

  31. TRISH says:

    John,as you say that I make too many grammatical errors,I write this post into my language.As you also claimed that you can speak ,write and discourse on many languages,you will able to reply to me like I always reply to you in your language :
    Je trouve que t’es complètement taré! La poitrine de Mariah est naturelle,elle a toujours eu une poitrine relativement importante !Cependant,comme elle était très jeune à ses débuts dans la musique ,sa poitrine n’était pas encore complètement developpée .Par exemple,dans les clips de Emotions et I’ll Be There,on peut apercevoir qu’elle avait une poitrine déjà plus développée que celles de Céline Dion, de Whitney Houston et que Madonna.T’es un vil menteur !Par ailleurs,que ce soit Jean Harlow,Theda Bara or clara Bow ou autres femmes qui furent les premières sex-symbol dans le monde,cela ne change rien au fait que Madonna n’est pas la première sex-symbol dans le monde !De plus ,les femmes que tu cites sont peut-être les premières sex-symbol,cependant elles étaient loin d’être aussi populaires que Marilyn Monroe,Brigitte Bardot et Marlène Dietrich ,dans le monde .Donc,ce n’était pas elles qui ont popularisé cette manière d’être dans le monde,car n’ayant pas été aussi populaires dans le monde.Cependant,Marilyn,Brigitte,Marlène et les autres ont été très célèbres mondialement et continuent aujourd’hui encore,de faire parler d’elles dans le monde.Elles sont alors,les pionnières de l’art d’être sexy pour beaucoup de femmes . Nous voyons donc que Madonna n’est pas la principale influence en la matière
    Tout compte fait,Mariah est meilleure que Madonna car elle n’a pas eu besoin d’ouvrir ses cuisses a quiconque pour avoir le succès. Mariah Carey a déjà fait ses preuves dans le monde au niveau professionnel et artistique.Les World Music Award l’ont canonisée Meilleure vendeuse d’Enregistrements du Millénaire écoulé,première artiste féminine à être meilleure vendeuse de disques de tous les temps et du monde entier !Mariah est également intronisée Meilleure Voix toutes catégories confondues ,plus grande influence musicale féminine de l’époque moderne,Artiste occidentale vendant le plus de disques dans toute l’Asie,actuelle seconde meilleure vendeuse de disques du monde,tout ceci après seulement 20 ans de carrière et 18 sorties . Mariah carey EST LA PLUS GRANDE CHANTEUSE DU MONDE,LA PLUS BELLE VOIX DU MONDE ET L’ARTISTE FEMININ DE TOUS LES TEMPS !

  32. john says:

    MARIAH MORONS DON’T REALLY GET IT!!!

    IT WAS A MARIAH FAN WHO SAID THAT MADONNA IS DARK AND MARIAH IS LIGHT AND NO ONE COMPLAINED DESPITE THIS DISCRIMINATING AND INSULTING REMARK. I EMBARKED ON ONE OF THE MANY POSSIBLE WAYS OF LOOKING AT IT IN TERM OF SKIN COLOR AND EVERYBODY BECOMES VERY EDGY ABOUT RACISM.

    EXCUSE ME, MADONNA IS NOT EVEN WHITE. SHE’S HALF-ITALIAN! CHECK ALL HER DANCERS AND MUSICIANS. THEY’RE ALL LATINOS, ASIANS, AFRICAN-AMERICANS AND HALF-BREEDS. IF THERE IS ONE PERSON WHO IS AGAINST RACISM, IT IS SHE.

    SO STOP YOUR CANNIBALIZING ATTITUDE ABOUT RACISM BECAUSE AS I SAID, I AM NOT EVEN AMERICAN. NOBODY IS PURE ANYMORE. EVERYBODY HAS A HYBRIDIZED SENSE OF SELF.

    LET US STICK TO THE ISSUE: MADONNA IS STILL THE BEST SELLING FEMALE ARTIST IN HISTORY. YOU MARIAH LAMBS CAN FUSS AND BE TRIVIAL ABOUT YOUR PETTY COMPLAINTS ABOUT ISSUES THAT BEAR NO WEIGHT BUT THE HARD FACT REMAINS.

    LONG LIVE THE QUEEN OF POP!!! HER MADGESTY REIGNS.

    SORRY….

  33. john says:

    OH, BY THE WAY…

    THOSE MORON MARIAH FANS WHO SAID THAT EUROPEAN MUSIC IS TACKY AND THAT EMINEM AND MADONNA SHARE THE SAME SPOT BECAUSE THEY’RE BOTH IMMORAL, CHECK THE LIST:

    EMINEM IS STILL NO. 1 IN THE EUROPEAN CHARTS FOR SIX WEEKS NOW AND GUESS WHAT?

    EVEN BILLBOARD (WHO SO FAVORS MARIAH) RECOGNIZES EMINEM AND HIS MUSIC AND IT’S ALSO NO. 1 FOR SIX WEEKS NOW, BOTH IN ALBUM AND SINGLES CHARTS!!!

    TOO BAD, THE “OBSESSED” PUBLICITY OF MARIAH DIDN’T DO WELL LAST YEAR AS THE SINGLE DIDN’T EVEN MATTER. AT LEAST “CELEBRATION” WENT TO NO. 1 IN 12 COUNTRIES!

    NOW EMINEM IS LORDING UP THE CHARTS. MARIAH COULDN’T EVEN COMPETE BECAUSE SHE’S BUSY MEDICATING HER SWOLLEN VOCAL PIPES (WHICH USED TO YIELD AN IMPRESSIVE VOICE)AND BEGGING THE EQUALLY PEDESTRIAN NICK CANNON TO GIVE HER A CHILD (BECAUSE HER FERTILITY’S DRYING UP)!!!

    WHAT A PATHETIC LIFE!

  34. breakerheart says:

    who cares about eminem?

    eminem just prooved that he was really obsessed by writing the warning! duuhh?

    mariah sings..
    madonna blowjobs..

    whetwhew!

  35. breakerheart says:

    hey2! who cares about Madonna?

    ever heard Madonna dissed Mariah in 96?

    whew … it just shows Madonna is insecure with Mariah ..

    and who cares if Madonna sold Millions of Albums worldwide?
    If Mariah inspired Millions Of People Worldwide?

    ..”when God gave talents Mariah Carey was the First in line..”

  36. breakerheart says:

    Mariah’s Ways To Be Succesful :
    .Voice
    .Song.Writing.Skills
    .and etc.

    Madonna’s Ways To Be Succesful :
    .Dissing
    .Being Sexual
    .Being a Bitch On Stage
    .and etc..

    ..Mariah Carey .. The Voice ..
    ..Madonna .. The Bitch ..

  37. anton says:

    i could not believe that Mariah fans could really be so dumb. right now nobody cares about what Mariah does. everyone is busy talkimng about Lady Gaga, Katy Perry and rihanna and how Madonna have influenced them. like what John said, the issue is about global influence. Mariah fans constantly fail to recognize Madonna’s contribution as validated by the guinness book of world records,forbes,rolling stone and other countless critical discourses. wow, and Mariah is now God’s messenger and bringer of good news who will save us all while wearing nothing but a bikini in the mountains (what was she thinking? lol) in the video of “i’ll be loving you long time” or wading in the water to later on seduce a Michael bolton look alike in the lighthouse in “my all” or touch her fake boobs about 13 times in “loverboy” and that includes covering them with a scarf, or wearing a schoolgirl’s uniform a la Britney in”touch my body”(Britney wore them when she was still a teenager for the video of baby one more time”, Mariah wore them a few months before she turned 40 hahaha), or wear another swimsuit in “hate u” or expose her bikini-clad self (again, yawn…)in “bye bye” etc. look at her album covers:emotions,butterfly,rainbow(or the picture inside where she is sucking a lollipop),e=mc2,emancipation of mimi,memoirs of an imperfect angel, no.1s, they all depict her in a sexy state. Please do not even equate Mariah with spirituality because she’s very very far from that. and by the way her voice sounds so bad now that she and Whitney can form a new club called “pipe rehab”. rolling stone (the album guide) described Mariah’s voice as a “fictional multi-octave” so quit the crap that she’s the greatest singer in the whole world because her performance at the MJ memorial was so bad that it has become a classic party feature for people to laugh at. check out her performance in the Divas Live. she could hardly sing anymore. Chritina Aguilera can outsing her anytime. Madonna is still the highest paid female singer in the world. in this sad period in the music industry where CDs do not sell as much as they used to, Madonna still has her concerts to rely on and there is MORE money in tours (if you’re a top crowd drawer like Madonna,U2, bon jovi, the rolling stones).where does that leave Mariah?oh probably sge could fill up smaller venues in tunisia hahaha). oh and by the way ask KFC about her tie-up with them years ago. she has stooped too low by resorting to such a cheap marketing strategy that for every bucket of chicken you get a free Mariah single which earned her points for her singles. how pathetic can you get! oh and what happened to her “angels advocate” CD which is supposed to contain remixes of her forgettable songs in “memoirs”?

  38. anton says:

    mariah: the voice – yes during the first five years of her career. honey, the throat needs a daily dose of lozenges now, hahaha. I’m sure you all love her performance in the MJ memorial. watch it again because we Madonna fans love it so much. watch her fat body squirm in her skimpy outfit in her “adventures of mimi” tour, she’s as sexy as warthog. oh another one, mimi is so relevant she wants like a hundred (or was it a thousand lol) kittens as a present from her hubby Nick. maybe this was the worthy and notable CAUSE you were all talking about. animal rights, right? hahahahaha!

    aretha franklin, she’s not!
    i’m really dying to hear her sing “emotions” today lol

  39. Broken-T says:

    anton,you’re wrong.All comments of Trish and stacy are right,Mariah is better than Madonna,she’s just beautiful and sexy unlike Madonna who is a bitch.All Mariah’s songs and albums blow away all Madonna could never do in music.Mariah is a real singer,not a whore.

  40. Broken-T says:

    yOU’RE TOTALLY CRAZY antaon,Mariah still the voice till NOW,you’re just a hater.Who can sing I WANT TO KNOW WHAT LOVE IS, ANGEL’S CRY? anyone will never be able to sing a song from Mariah,even her 2000’s songs as: Loverboy,My saving grace,Through the rain,Itt’s like that,Migrate,mine again,I’ll be lovin’you long time,etc… MARIAH IS AND STAY THE VOICE,SHE BLOW AWAY ALL OTHERS FEMALE VOCALIST ON EARTH. However,what can we say about Madonna’s sh**s? You must recognize that she doesn’t know sing,she just know show her fade ass to people ,for sale her albums.Mariah Carey is more than a vocalist SHE”S A VOCAL PHENOMENON.All her songs prove this.What can we imagine as good as My All, Honey,Heartbreaker,Against,all odds,loverboy,Migrate, I want to know what love is,My saving grace,ect…? Mariah is the TOP,Madonna is a sh** compare with Mariah Carey. LONG LIFE TO MARIAH CAREY, THE VOICE FOREVER AND EVER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  41. john says:

    yeah right, broken T.

    Bask on Mariah’s past glory. Truth is, she could no longer sing like she used to. It is really painful to know that once upon a time, you had it. Now you see it right before your eyes and fell it in your bones that your gift is being taken back by nature little by little.

    AND STILL THE WORSE IS, THERE IS SOMEBODY LIKE MADONNA WHO IS CROWNED AS THE BIGGEST SELLING FEMALE ARTIST AND THE QUEEN OF POP.

    In the Memoirs leaflet, Mariah is touted as the Princess of Pop (at 40, she is still a princess?). She couldn’t use the title Queen because she, as well as we all do, know who the real majesty is.

    But the princess of pop should go either to Britney, Xtina, Rihanna or Gaga. Mariah couldn’t be hailed as the Queen of RnB because that’s Mary J. Blige or Queen of Hip Hop because that’s either Latifah or Missy Elliot.

    The Only title left for her is:

    the QUEEN OF FAKE BOOBS!!!!

  42. anton says:

    wow and now it’s about Mariah being notches higher than Madonna in terms of quality albums. there is no list in the whole world that validates that Mariah’s songs and albums are great. only her fans (and that includes you) think so. I’m sorry to burst your small bubble honey but there is no single Mariah album in the rolling stone list of the 500 greatest albums of all time or any list at all. Madonna has FOUR in the list (immaculate collection,like a prayer,ray of light and music).hundreds of industry insiders were interviewed (not die hard stupid fans.)and they chose the 500. in VH-1’s countdown of the greatest female singers of all time, Madonna is in the TOP 10 and Mariah is NOWHERE IN THE TOP 100. WHAT MAKES THE VH-1 LIST EVEN BETTER IS THAT THEY DIVIDED THE PERIOD IN MUSIC (involving women) as THE PRE-MADONNA AND THE POST MADONNA ERA. this means that Madonna is THE point of reference. Just admit that.Everyone is there except Mariah. is that an oversight? no. it is plain and simple. just read the reviews of her later albums and all critics are one in saying that Mariah’s voice is in TATTERS especially in Glitter and Charm Bracelet while she resorts to whispering and whimpering all throughout her last three albums. EAT THAT! only her fans think that she cold still sing. MJ by now is turning in his grave when she CROAKED in his memorial. you talk as if she sings as good as Christina Aguilera or Celine Dion whose voices are still INTACT and not hoarse like Mariah’s. we never claimed that Madonna was a great singer that is if you still don’t get it(peabrained that you are). You are the only ones who believe that your throat-damaged idol can still sing.and the worst part of it is that you really believe that Mariah is a damm good songwriter. puhleease. she’s no joni mitchell, bonnie raitt, patti smith (who is a poet by the way) and carole king. do you even know what influence in music means?

    LONG LIVE MARIAH- ya she needs your rah-rah because her career right now is in the doldrums. her last album flopped all over the world, her concerts in small venues are so SMALL that nobody recalls they ever happened (even those held in las vegas) I just really hope you contributed a few dollars (cos that’s what her tickets are worth) to her shows because the only ones she can rely on right now are her people like you who should be supporting her when ALL FEMALE SINGERS RIGHT NOW ARE DOING SO WELL. For example:

    1. Madonna’s sticky and sweet tour grossed 408M, THE HIGHEST GROSSING TOUR BY A SOLO ARTIST. she managed to do that in less than a year. Mariah can only dream about that in her next lifetime. celebration,the greatest hits collection went to no.1 in 12 countries and top 10 in the US.
    2. Whitney houston’s comeback album went to no.1 in the US and in the world.
    3. barbra streisand frustrated Mariah by blocking her from the no.1 spot in the billboard album chart. my god she could not even outsell paramore. paramore’s new CD is still in the hot 100 by the way.
    4. sade’s “soldier of love” went to no.1 for 3 weeks in the US and 4 weeks in the world chart.
    4. Lady Gaga’s the fame and the fame monster are chart smashes worldwide
    5. I can name all of them: Katy Perry, beyonce,taylor swift, Britney Spears, pink – they all mattered in the last 2 years.

    I WONDER WHERE MARIAH IS NOW? I’M SURE AS YOU MARIAH FANS ALWAYS SAY SHE’S DOING HER BEST INSPIRING PEOPLE BY WEARING BIKINIS AND EXPOSING HER FAKE BOOBS OR PROBABLY CRYING ALL DAY LIKE WHAT SHE DOES IN MANY OF HER VIDEOS LOL.

    The one who started this thing compared “Through the Rain” and “Erotica”. why didn’t you write about her songs “Honey” or “MY ALL” – I’d give my all to have just one more night with you.i’d risk my life to feel your body close to mine…yawwwwwwwwnnnnn hahahaha.THIS IS SO INSPRING even SPIRITUAL, DON’T YOU THINK SO? Bwahahahaha.

    oh and another thing, she is so inspiring that she wants to EMANCIPATE herself but the irony of it is that she keeps on crying in most of her videos;i don’t wanna cry,bye bye,we belong together,can’t take that away, lead the way,through the rain, angels cry…I DON’T FIND ANYTHING INSPIRING ABOUT CRYING ALL THE TIME…SO PLEASE CUT THE CRAP!maybe this is the reason why she had a mental breakdown durinf the glitter era.

    and where the hell is Mariah today hahaha? probably taking care of her kittens and nursing her damaged throat. you Mariah fans started this thread. and now you want us to stop. well I say, bring it on. we’re not haters we are just REALISTS and we’re not DELUSIONAL. oh and by the way, how much did she earn for her last album and downloads and concerts? is it 408 million, hahaha!!!!

    and lastly about Mariah being beautiful, my god you’re blind. Madonna’s face and image has graced more posters and magazines more than anyone can imagine.

    the only thing that Mariah (and you fans) can do now is sing – I (SHE) CAN MAKE IT THROUGH THE RAIN, I (SHE)CAN STAND UP ONCE AGAIN, AND I KNOW THAT I’M (SHE’S)STRONG ENOUGh TO MEND…HAHAHAHHAHAHA!

  43. anton says:

    And it’s just like honey, when you’re love comes over me…THIS CAN PROBABLY SAVE YOUR SOUL AND MAKE YOU GO TO HEAVEN hahahaha!

    Touch my body pull me on the floor,wrestle me around, play with me some more, touch my body throw me on the bed I just wanna make you feel like you never did, touch my body all around your waste just a little taste …come on and give me what I deserve and touch my body…..THIS IS SO INSPIRING TOO…HAHAHAHHAHAHA

  44. anton says:

    erratum: all around your “WAIST” hahahaha

    another one:

    a huh a huh baby, a huh a huh baby …a lova a lova a lova a lova a lova a lova…..my sugar daddy takes me for a ride….THIS IS SO SHAKESPEAREAN HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!THIS IS MARIAH AT HER BEST SONGWRITING…

  45. MARIAH ACHIEVEMENTS says:

    Mariah Carey is greater than Madonna and a better artist…Mariah Carey is in the league of greatest Legends and Music Icons such as : Beatles,Elvis Presley and Michael Jackson.Mariah share many records only with those artists:
    -Best Selling artist OVERALL of a decade (1960’s Beatles,1970’s Elvis Presley, 1980’s Michael Jackson, 1990’s Mariah Carey ).
    -Most # 1 songs worldwide by female artist ( Mariah is just second to Madonna )
    -Most Top 10 songs worldwide by female artist ( Mariah is second to Madonna )
    -Second Best selling female artist of all times ( behind Madonna )
    -Most # 1 songs penned by artist overall ( Paul McCarteney 23, John Lennon 19, Mariah Carey 17 ).
    -Most #1 hit songs at Billboard Hot 100 ( Beatles 20, Elvis Presley 18,Mariah Carey 18,Michael Jackson 13 ).
    -Most cumulated weeks at # 1 in Billboard Hot 100.(Elvis Presley 79, Mariah Carey 79 ).
    -Best Selling Female Artist of The Last Millennium ( Michael Jackson is the best selling male artist of the last Millennium )
    -Huge impact and contribution in music ( Mariah Carey revolutionize pop music.She’s the Queen of R&B,Elvis Presley is the King of Rock & roll,Michael Jackson is the King of Pop )
    – Number one musical influence worldwide of today’s artists
    -Second most popular female artist on earth ( Only behind Madonna )
    -Mariah is a Guinness Record Holder : Best selling Female Artist of the 1990’s decade ( 1997 Guinness World Record, French edition ), 2003 Guinness World Record of most extended voice ( 5,2 octaves ) ever for hitting an G # 7 note ( 2002 superbowl ). She’s also the only female artist who reach an E# 2 note ,the lowest note for a woman .Mariah is Also the only human which could emit a sound audible by dolphins .
    Mariah Carey got many others records over Celine Dion.But,these ones are enough to prove that she’s better than Celine Dion. ALL THESE FACTS PROVES THAT MARIAH CAREY IS GREATER THAN Madonna
    Mariah Carey OCCUPATION : Singer,Songwriter,Model,Actress ,Record-producer,Composer,Entrepreneur.
    GENRES : Pop,R&B ,Dance,Rap,Ballads,Gospel, Jazz, Soul,Techno, Country,Rock,House
    ACHIEVEMENTS & RECORDS :
    -First World Best Selling Female Recording Artist Of All Times ( 2000-2003 )
    -Actual Second World Best Selling Female Artist Of All Times
    – World Best-Selling Artist Overall Of the 1990 Decade.(1998 Legend Award, 2000 Millennium Award). Only Female Artist With this Title.
    -Best-Selling Western Artist In Asia
    -World Best Selling Christmas Album Of All Times By a Female Artist
    – World Best-Selling Christmas Single Of All Times By a Female Artist
    -Two Singles ranked in the top 10 Best selling Singles by Female Artists
    -Best Selling Western Album in Japan ( # 1 ‘s)
    -Best Selling Western Album in China.( Mariah Carey’s album Music Box is the first international female album to pass 500,000 legal sales in China.( Daydream, Butterfly, #1’s and Charmbracelet also sold 500,000 copies or more in this country).Mariah Carey is the only female artist who got albums reaching and surpassing 500 ,000 copies sold in that Country).

    -Only Female artist who got 3 albums certified Diamond in USA (Mariah Carey,Music Box, Daydream ).
    -Two Albums ranked in the top 10 Best-Selling Albums Of All Times by Female Artists
    -Most Platinum Singles by a Female Artist in History
    -Only Artist Ever to have first 5 Singles go to # 1 in Billboard Hot 100
    -Only Female Artist to have 10 albums certified 4 x platinum or better
    -Third Richest Female Singer Of All Times
    -Mariah Carey give 90 % of her musical materiel (Composing,Writing,Producing,Arranging) More than any other Female Artist.
    -Most World Music Awards than any Artist Overall( 17 )
    -Most # 1 hits wrote or co-wrote by a Female Composer ( 17 ) Carole King is ranked second to Mariah -with 9 songs reached # 1
    -Third Songwriter Overall with most # 1 Songs penned (17 Songs) Behind Paul McCarteney and John Lennon.
    -Most # 1 hits in US single Chart ( 18 )
    – Second Female Artist with most # 1 Hits Worldwide.
    -Second Female Artsist with most Top 10 Hits Worlwide.
    -Second Female Artist with most Top 10 Hits in US Hot 100 ( 27 )
    -Most weeks at # 1 in US Hot 100 ( 79)
    – Longest time at the # 1 position (consecutive weeks) with “One Sweet Day” for 16 Weeks.
    -Billboard’s Most successful Song ever by a Female Artist ( We Belong Together ).
    -Billboard’s Most Popular Song ever by Female Artist for these 13 last Years,including the Whole 2000 decade.( We Belong Together).
    – Longest-running # 1 Hit in Brazilian Chart History ( I Want To Know What Love Is ,27 Consecutive Weeks ).
    – Best Voice Ever Overall (MTV,Blender Magazine,etc…)
    -Most extended Female voice ever 5,2 Octaves Range ( Guinness World Records).
    -First international soundtrack ever to achieve number-one status in Japan ( Glitter)
    -Music Box is 14 x platinum in Australia,only behind Shania Twain’s Come On Over (15 x platinum) and John Farnham’s Whispering Jack (18x platinum).
    -Revolution of world Pop music by her Remix of Fantasy .Mariah is the First Pop singer ever who collaborates with rappers and Hip Hop artists.Since this Remix,Every Pop artists work with hip hop artists now.
    – Mariah Carey’s songs are the most performed on talent searching competitions like X FACTOR , AMERICAN IDOL, STAR ACADEMY,etc…
    -Pop Vocal Icon worldwide
    -Second most Sexy Female Singer ( Behind Madonna) .
    – Number 1 Musical Influence for 80 % artists of Asia,America,Europe,Oceania and Latin America
    -Second Most Popular International female Singer Worldwide .
    -The Holder of Titles: The Voice, The Queen of R&B, The Best Singer of All Times,The female Artist of All Times.
    MARIAH CAREY is an accomplished artist.She’s not border in just music.She has experiences as such actress ( in the films :Glitter,Tenesse,Precious,Wisegirls,etc…),model ( Fashion Shows for VERSACE, PINKO,promotions for PINKO and for her own fragrances,launching of a fashion style,etc…) ,business ( Fragrances ),etc…She won the Legs Of goddess Gillette Venus Award for the most beautiful legs in 2006.

    John and anton I dare you to give Madonna’s achievements.You’ll see she got zero achievements,only her concerts and streaptease she give to her fans.as she doesn’t know sing. MADONNA IS THE QUEEN OF SLUTS AND PERVERTS LIKE YOU(I’m sure that you’re are both gays John and Anton).Don’t mix art and sex OK? Mariah is an Artist likeAretha.Barbra and Whitney.But Madonna is a slut like Alana,Jenna Jameson,Sylvia Saint,etc…
    .now nobody cares about Madonna because her ass is older.About Lady gaga and Britney,So WHAT??? Mariah doesn’t worry about them because they can’t really sing,but just show their ass to people like their influence Madonna.Lady gaga is a sensation,Britney was make more than Lady Gaga 10 years ago,but she even doesn’t the equal of Mariah.These girls are just sensations,but Mariah is a LEGEND ALIVE. Madonna can’t compete to Mariah Carey.In just 10 years,Mariah Carey accomplish more than Madonna in 17 years.Moreover,Madonna never got the title of Queen Of Pop,it’s Janet Jackson who always be the holder of this title till now.She’s so much better than Madonna.She can sing much better and dance almost like her brother (MichaelJackson).MARIAH IS THE QUEEN OF R&B THE QUEEN OF MUSIC OVERALL,THE VOICE,THE BEST SINGER OF ALL TIMES,THE FEMALE ARTIST OF ALL TIMES. John and anton you know nothing on music,get out of here,cause you’re so stupid and illadvised,I have pity on you. LONG LIFE TO MARIAH CAREY THE QUEEN OF MUSIC OVERALL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  46. john says:

    ANOTHER DELUSIONAL MARIAH FAN WHO STATED A STUPID POST ABOVE!

    MARIAH CAREY IS THE QUEEN OF MUSIC? SEZ WHO?

  47. john says:

    THE REASON WHY MADONNA WAS NOT THE TOP ACT OF THE 80S IS BECAUSE SHE ONLY PEAKED IN BILLBOARD IN 1984. THIS MEANS SHE DIDN’T HAVE HITS IN 1980, 81, 82 AND 83. TO EMERGE 2ND IN ONLY SIX YEARS AND FOUR ALBUMS IS A STRONG INDICATION OF HER MASSIVE INFLUENCE. MICHAEL JACKSON (WHO WAS THE TOP ACT) HAD AN ALBUM AS EARLY AS THE START OF THE DECADE.

    MARIAH IS UNDOUBTEDLY THE TOP ACT OF THE 90S BECAUSE SHE STARTED IN 1990 AND PRACTICALLY HAD 9 ALBUMS IN THE ENTIRE DECADE: MARIAH CAREY(90), EMOTIONS(91), MTV UNPLUGGED(92), MUSIC BOX(93), MERRY XMAS(94), DAYDREAM(95), BUTTERFLY(97), NO.1’S(98) AND RAINBOW(99). CAN YOU IMAGINE IF SHE WASN’T THE TOP ACT? WHAT A SHAME!

    THIS CREATURE SAID THAT MARIAH HAS THE MOST NO. 1 HITS ALL OVER THE WORLD. WHAT IS YOUR SOURCE? ARE YOU DELUSIONAL? MADONNA HAS 15 NO. 1S IN UK, 12 IN THE US, 23 IN CANADA, 25 IN ITALY, MORE THAN 10 IN THE NETHERLANDS, JAPAN, FRANCE, ARGENTINA, BRAZIL, SWITZERLAND, SPAIN, SWEDEN AND PRACTICALLY ALL THE COUNTRIES OF EUROPE, LATIN AND SOUTH AMERICA. PERHAPS YOU ARE REFERRING TO BILLBOARD. BUT BILLBOARD IS NOT THE ENTIRE WORLD, HONEY. DON’T BE DELUSIONAL!

    JANET JACKSON IS THE QUEEN OF POP AND NOT MADONNA? AGAIN, WHAT IS YOUR SOURCE? JUST BECAUSE SHE HAPPENS TO BE THE SISTER OF THE KING OF POP DOESN’T MAKE HER THE QUEEN. STUPID AND DELUSIONAL!

    ISN’T IT FASCINATING THAT MARIAH FANS KEEP ON PROVING THEIR METTLE THAT SHE IS THE QUEEN WHEN THE WHOLE WORLD THINKS OTHERWISE. WE MADONNA FANS ARE COMFORTABLY ENSCONCED ON OUR SEATS BECAUSE WE KNOW BETTER. WHO DOES THE PROVING AND WHO WATCHES THE PROVING???

    MADONNA HAS BEEN LAMBASTED BY STUPID MARIAH FANS AS IMMORAL AND SLUTTY. BUT THAT IS THE TRUE MEASURE OF ARTISTRY. TO TAKE YOUR ART TO A HIGHER LEVEL DESPITE THE IDIOTIC CRITICISMS OF THOSE WHO FAIL TO SEE YOUR ARTISTRY. A TRUE ARTIST INTERROGATES EXISTING MODES OF THINKING AND FEELING AND CHALLENGES THEM. A TRUE ARTIST ARTICULATES CLASHING DISCOURSES ABOUT SEX, RELIGION, THE GENDER DIVIDE, WORLD POLITICS, INDIVIDUAL ISOLATION AND THE CELEBRATION OF THE HUMAN SPIRIT.

    A TRUE ARTIST, NO MATTER HOW AVANT-GARDE OR UNPOPULAR HER WAYS MAY BE, PUSHES THE LIMITS OF OUR CREATIVE IMAGINATION AND UNSETTLES COMMON PREJUDICES AND PRECONCEIVED JUDGEMENTS ABOUT LIFE, LIVING AND THE HUMAN CONDITION.

    THAT IS MADONNA.

    SHE DOES NOT WEAR BUTTERFLY CLIPS ON HER EXTENDED HAIR, OR UNDRESS HERSELF ON THE MOUNTAIN OR COYLY INVITE VIEWERS TO PARTICIPATE IN HER NARCISISSTIC FETISHISMS, OR BRANDISH HER FAKE BOOBS.

    THAT IS CERTAINLY NOT HER IDEA OF ARTISTRY. SHE CONSTANTLY SEEKS TO QUESTION AND CHALLENGE OUR SEDIMENTARY VIEWS ON MORALITY, GOVERNANCE AND THE FORMATION OF IDENTITIES.

    LONG LIVE THE TRUE ARTIST. LONG LIVE THE TRUE ICON. LONG LIVE THE QUEEN OF POP – MADONNA!

  48. anton says:

    woohoo (clap clap clap) I applaud the crusade of poor Mariah fans. first of all we Madonna fans did not not crown Madonna as the queen of pop, the media and music insiders did. the title stuck that is why until now she is and will always be referred to as the queen of pop. we Madonna fans never said that Madonna was an icon. it just happened and the media, music insiders, recording artists themselves, and critical theorists (not just delusional fans) were responsible for calling her not only the queen of pop but an icon as well. we are just happy and in total bliss that all this happened in our lifetime because the title you’re bestowing to Mariah will not happen in your next ten lifetimes. MARIAH QUEEN OF ALL MUSIC will never happen because it was only you (an irrelevant being in the world) coined it. so just keep on wishing hahahahahaha…

    granting that Mariah achieved all of those stellar feats (most of them fictional anyway), then it should logically follow that she should be the highest paid female singer of all time. but that again belongs to Madonna. isn’t it strange that all the awards and supposed achievements of Mariah didn’t amount to any gigantic monetary equivalent? If I were Mariah and I own all those titles (which seems to make her bigger than the the Beatles and Elvis Pressley) then I must have at least one title attached to my name or at least a genuine DEAL that spells millions of dollars (her Virgin deal fell flat on her face). sorry to say but your pronouncements are nothing but symbolic representations of fame.

    wow you have the nerve to call her an actress. she was a joke in glitter,wisegirls and tennessee. even Madonna’s worst films were not this bad. first of all she does not have a movie star face, period. accept the fact that she is just plain ugly whose weight keeps on yoyoing every now and then. now if you wanna talk about her film precious. sorry dear, the film belongs to monique and gabrielle. if you wanana brag about the nameless award that she won (i’m sure you also saw the time when she accepted her award DRUNK!), well Madonna has a golden globe for her performance in evita. now if you wanna brag about her fragrance, puhleeease, she has to make one because in her entire career as endorser no major name except Tommy hilfiger got her services. Madonna has endorsed louis vouitton and dolce&gabbana. and she’s already 52. I wonder what Mariah would tantamount to at 52 because right not that she’s just in her early 40s,her career is already sagging. sorry but Mariah has no staying power. by the way Madonna has 2 beautiful biological kids. they’re called GENES honey. I JUST WONDER WHAT HER KID WOULD LOOK LIKE HAVING SUCH UGLY PARENTS?

    look just check all the major books and publications for Madonna’s achievements. they are all there. WE BOUGHT THEM. I’m sure you just surfed the net for lack of funds. we Madonna fans are just so happy that aside from sybolic representations of fame (which Mariah also has by the way),madonna is also paid well and she is the highest paid at that. she’s up there with barbra streisand and Celine Dion as TOP FEMALE EARNERS IN MUSIC. she’s up there for many many years with Oprah in the list of THE MOST POWERFUL CELEBRITIES. These are symbolic represeantations of fame but what is good is that she laughs all the way to the bank too. DOES MARIAH EARN AS MUCH AS MADONNA? We’re not even talking about Grammys here because Madonna has more, VMAs? Madonna has more. there are books and essays (do you even read critical theory at all?) by scholars such as camille paglia, bell hooks etc that theorize on Madonna’s influence in post-modernism, pop culture, queer studies, feminism. Mariah has not even reached elementary discourse level yet. maybe you have no idea about this because you have not read anything substantial except Mariah’s cheesy and mushy lyrics (many of them sexual too in case you are not aware of it).

    oh and by the way, the Mariah vs Madonna thing is so YESTERDAY!. you even have to resurrect this thread when everyone is coming up with threads that go Madonna vs Lady Gaga. this is actually tiring from Madonna vs cyndi lauper to Madonna vs Kylie to Madonna vs George michael, to Madonna vs MJ to Madonna vs Mariah. yawnnnnn. next please…..i’m sure when Madonna hits 60 which is the end of her 120 Million deal with Live Nation (mind you this is much more than the Mariah-Virgin deal which led to virgin throwing Mariah into garbage bin), she would still be pitted with somebody younger. by that time Mariah is probably in the mental asylum hahahahahaha…TO QUOTE LIFE MAGAZINE in their music anniversaty edition: MADONNA IS FOREVER AS DURABLE AS THE SEVEN DEADLY SINS. so move on please…just help Mariah look for ways to resurrect her career again because right now she doesn’t matter and she has to feed her ugly husband Nick cannon. at least Madonna’s boy toy is gorgeous. that’s the kind of man you can have if you have all the money hahahahaha. it’s her third slump -glitter being the first, charm bracelet the second, and memoirs the third, not ot mnentiomn her MENTAL BREAKDOWN -glitter phase hahahaha. aren’t you scared that the one you idolize has loose screws? and they say accoring to popular belief that lightning always strikes three times.

    Again I wish you -a huh a huh baby a huh a huh baby a huh baby, a lova lova a lova a lova hahahhahaha. sorry even my students in literature could not find anything substantial in any Mariah Carey song. they find them laughable. if you went to school at all, you would recognize what empty pulp is.

    right now it would be best to compare Mariah to whitney. they have so many similarities. Whitney a recovering drug addict, Mariah a recovering nutcase. both lost their fantastic voices. if you still don’t accept that Mariah lost her GOLDEN voice, then you have missed out on all the things that people are laughing about in the last few years.

    I DON’T WANNA CRY…I DON’T WANNA CRY…NOTHING IN THE WORLD COULD TAKE ME BACK TO WHERE I USED TO BE…HAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHA!!!!!! WOOOH, I LOVE THIS SITE SO MUCH. I’M HAVING SO MUCH FUN!!!!!!

    and by the way YOU ARE NOT THE PERSON TO TELL ME TO GET OUT OF HERE. YOU KNOW WHY BECAUSE I SOOOOOO LOOOOOOVEEE IT HEEEERE. YIPEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!

  49. breakerheart says:

    ARTISTRY Scale :
    SINGER :
    Mariah : 9/10
    Madonna : 7/10
    SALES :
    Mariah : 7/10
    Madonna : 9/10
    POPULARITY
    Mariah : 7/10
    Madonna : 8/10

  50. FANTASY says:

    Mariah is the voice,nothing can change it.Haters can say anything but Mariah stay better than Madonna in everything.

  51. john says:

    MUSIC IS NOT ALL ABOUT VOICE. AND MARIAH IS NO LONGER THE VOICE (DEAL WITH IT, LAMBS!) IT IS THE ONLY THING THAT MARIAH HAS AN EDGE OVER MADONNA. TOO BAD NOW, SHE NO LONGER HAS IT.

    EVERYTHING ELSE IS ABOUT MADONNA! HAIL TO THE QUEEN OF POP!!!

  52. john says:

    A Mariah lamb wants to challenge a Madonna wolf into comparing the achievements of both artists. So here it is. I have objectively charted and did not focus on the awards or titles that fly by night organizations have given them as these hardly amouNt to something.

    BILLBOARD TOP ARTISTS OF ALL TIME:
    MARIAH:#6
    MADONNA:#2

    BILLBOARD NUMBER 1 SINGLES:
    MARIAH:18
    MADONNA:12 (BUT SHE HAS THE MOST NUMBER 2 SINGLES IN BILLBOARD)

    WORLD’S NUMBER 1 SINGLES:
    MARIAH: 6 IN DANCE CLUB, 2 IN UK, 2 IN CANADA, 2 IN BRAZIL, 5 IN JAPAN, O IN EUROPE
    MADONNA: 40 IN DANCE CLUB, 15 IN UK, 25 IN CANADA, 5 IN BRAZIL, 5 IN JAPAN, 10 IN AUSTRALIA, 2 IN AUSTRIA, 2 IN FRANCE, 4 IN GERMANY, 24 IN ITALY, 10 IN SWITZERLAND

    ACTING AWARD:
    MARIAH: BREAKTHROUGH AWARD, PALM SPRINGS AWARDS FOR PRECIOUS
    MADONNA: BEST ACTRESS, GOLDEN GLOBE AWARDS FOR EVITA

    GRAMMY AWARDS
    MARIAH:5
    MADONNA:8

    MTV AWARDS(VMA AWARDS)
    MARIAH:0
    MADONNA:18. SHE IS ALSO A RECIPIENT OF THE MTV LIFETIME ACHIEVEMENT AWARD BECAUSE OF CONTRIBUTION TO MUSIC BASED ON HER VIDEOS.

    ROLLING STONE LIST OF 500 GREATEST ALBUMS
    MARIAH:0
    MADONNA:4

    VH1’S LIST OF INFLUENTIAL SINGERS IN MUSIC
    MARIAH: NOT IN THE LIST
    MADONNA: #8

    VH1’S 100 SEXIEST ARTISTS
    MARIAH:#38
    MADONNA:#1

    BIGGEST SELLING ALBUMS IN THE WORLD
    MARIAH: DAYDREAM ($22 MILLION)
    MADONNA: IMMACULATE COLLECTION ($27 MILLION)

    BIGGEST CONCERT DRAWERS BY A SINGLE ARTIST OF ALL TIME
    MARIAH: NOT IN THE LIST
    MADONNA: 1. STICKY AND SWEET (408m)
    2. CONFESSIONS TOUR (208M)

    NUMBER OF STUDIO, REMIX AND GREATEST HITS ALBUMS ALL IN ALL
    MARIAH:15
    MADONNA:18 (IN SPITE OF THE FACT THAT MADONNA IS SENIOR TO MADONNA BY ALMOST 7 YEARS, THE DISPARITY OF THE NUMBER OF ALBUMS OF BOTH ARTISTS IS NOT WIDE SO SALES SHOULD NOT BE GRAVELY AFFECTED)

    THE ULTIMATE MOST POPULAR SONG THAT HIT NUMBER 1 IN MANY COUNTRIES
    MARIAH: “WE BELONG TOGETHER” – NUMBER 1 IN 8 COUNTRIES
    MADONNA: “HUNG UP” – NUMBER 1 IN 45 COUNTRIES

    BILLBOARD HAILS MADONNA AS THE FEMALE ACT WITH THE MOST TOP 3, MOST TOP 5, MOST TOP 10, MOST TOP 20, MOST TOP 40 SINGLES IN MUSIC HISTORY. YOU GUYS ARE REJOICING THAT MARIAH HAS MORE BILLBOARD NUMBER 1S THAT MADONNA. LIKE I SAID THOUGH, THIS IS ONLY BILLBOARD. BUT LET’S GIVE IT TO YOU. AFTER ALL, MADONNA COULDN’T BE THE BREAKER OF ALL THE RECORDS.

    IN TERMS OF MUSIC, MARIAH HASN’T GRADUATED FROM HIP HOP AND RNB CATEGORIES. THERE ARE ONLY TWO TYPES OF SONGS SHE SINGS: THE RNB/HIPHOP FEEL LIKE “MIGRATE” AND “IT’S LIKE THAT” AND THE SAPPY BALLAD LIKE “WE BELONG TOGETHER” AND “VISION OF LOVE.” THEY HAVE THE SAME BEATS.MADONNA HAS PRACTICALLY DONE EVERYTHING. AND HER SONGS DON’T SOUND ALIKE. “FROZEN” IS DIFFERENT FROM “VOGUE” AS WELL AS “INTO THE GROOVE” FROM “4 MINUTES.” THE LOVE SONGS “CRAZY FOR YOU” AND “MILES AWAY” ARE CERTAINLY DIFFERENT TOO. SHE HAS DONE ELECTRONICA, TRANCE, DISCO, COUNTRY, RNB, WORLD MUSIC, RAVE, HIPHOP, STANDARD (I’M BREATHLESS), MUSICAL (EVITA), FOLK, EMO AND WAS STILL A BEST SELLING ARTIST DESPITE THE CHANGE IN STYLE AND LIMITED VOICE.

    MARIAH, ON THE OTHER HAND, DESPITE HER ONCE HEAVENLY VOICE, WAS NOT EXPERIMENTAL ENOUGH TO GET OUT OF HER BOX AND TRY SOMETHING NEW. THE STYLE IN SINGING THAT SHE DID IN “VISION OF LOVE,” HER FIRST HIT WAS NO DIFFERENT FROM “ANGELS CRY,” HER NEWEST SONG. LITTLE HAS CHANGED DESPITE A 20 YEAR PERIOD. MADONNA’S FIRST HIT “HOLIDAY” IS CERTAINLY DIFFERENT FROM HER LAST, “REVOLVER.” YOU CAN SEE THE GROWING AND DEVELOPMENT OF THE ARTIST HERE.

    MADONNA IS THE AUTHOR OF EIGHT BOOKS, THE “ENGLISH ROSES” SERIES THAT WENT TO NUMBER 1 FOR MANY MONTHS IN THE NEW YORK TIMES BESTSELLER. SHE HAS MADE THE DOCUMENTARY FILM, “I AM BECAUSE WE ARE” AND IS NOW IN POST PRODUCTION OF A NEW FILM THAT SHE’S DOING AS A DIRECTOR. SHE HAS BUILT A WHOLE SCHOOL IN MALAWI, AFRICA FOR GIRLS SO THEY CAN FIGHT OVER POVERTY AND IGNORANCE AND HAS ADOPTED TWO MALAWIAN CHILDREN. TALKS HAVE IT THAT SHE A THIRD CHILD IS UNDERWAY FOR ADOPTION.

    MARIAH IS STILL BUSY HIBERNATING AND RESTING HER SORE THROAT. SHE IS STILL INTO SINGING AND WRITING SONGS THAT WILL ONLY INSPIRE IDIOTIC AND IMBECILIC FANS WHEN SHE COULD HAVE DONE MUCH MUCH MORE WITH HER SUCCESS!

    SO WHO IS THE REAL VISIONARY AND THE ARTIST HERE?

  53. LECHE says:

    i feel pity for all of you idiots who are debating and fighting here ! I think you only have a joie de vi vre ..
    To Mariah’s Fans ;
    Darling Lambs , accept the fact the Madonna is more succesful, best.seller, and etc. Dont argue with things such that Mariah is the Best Seller because she isnt, Mariah has succesful singles cause she only have a bit . And accept that !

    To Madonna Fans;
    Wolves , Agree to the Lambs when they say that Mariah has the best Voice ever cause she has[although her voice is super sore but could sing Like her?], that she has the greatest impact in music[adding hiphop and rap , trademark vocal ranges,] and she has the skills[writing, and many more].

    ”Stardom is Great but Talent is Eternal”

  54. john says:

    To Leche:

    I know that you mean well about fans not disputing. I totally understand this.

    Just a minor correction: Mariah does not have the best voice ever. Aretha Franklin, Barbra Streisand, Donna Summer and Patti LaBelle are music’s best voices. Mariah may join them as one of the top ten. She also does not have the greatest impact in music (like adding hip hop and rap because so many acts have done this before her. TLC, En Vogue, Mary J. Blige have done this way way before Mariah did. She only fused RnB with Hiphop in mid 90s. She may have copied this from them).

    She does not have impeccable writing skills because her songs have hardly been awarded by legitimate music award giving bodies like the Grammys. SHE SIMPLY DOES NOT HAVE ANY OTHER SKILL EXCEPT SINGING (which she obviously does not have now) and WRITING MUSHY SONGS (that have not been recognized at all). SHE EVEN SLIPPED ON STAGE IN HER ATTEMPT TO DANCE SIMPLE STEPS. TOO BAD, HER ROTUND WEIGHT DID NOT HOLD HER UP.

    BY THE WAY, MADONNA IS NOW DIRECTING A PERIOD MOVIE (AFTER DIRECTING A DOCUMENTARY FILM AND WRITING CHILDREN’S BOOKS) AND IS HIGHLY ANTICIPATED IN THE FILM CIRCLES NOW. Gus Van Sant, a multi-awarded director has already praised Madonna’s work.

    STARDOM IS GREAT BUT TALENT IS ETERNAL. Guess I don’t have to prove who’s got more talent here!

  55. anton says:

    Go John :-) mimi fans still can’t accept the fact that mimi’s time is long long gone…she croaked while singing I’ll be there in Michael Jackson’s memorial, was tipsy/drunk when she received her breakthrough performance award, and slipped BIG TIME in her third-rate no budget (look at her costumes, and worse still her poor dancers’ costumes)concert in singapore. sorry but it is really embarrassing to be mimi fan. croaking is enough, being tipsy is too much, slipping (fat fat obese)is just plain PATHETIC.

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