Still More On Celine Dion Versus Mariah Carey

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This post is for a third round of comments continuing the discussion sparked by the Monarc_2002 editorial viewable here and continued here asking whether or has had the more successful career.


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390 thoughts on “Still More On Celine Dion Versus Mariah Carey

  1. The Reason says:

    @ TRISH

    LMAO ,you’re a joke. And probably around 15 years old.

    You’re the one trying to prove me wrong. At least what I

    claim are all established facts. (Forbes,La Times,Uk

    magazines,RIAA,Certifications,World Music Awards,Sites)

    The burden of proof is yours,not mine. I’ve listed all

    my sources and facts. If you don’t believe them it is

    your opinion and I don’t care. I’ve done my part. It’s

    your job to prove me wrong ,and you have failed. So stop

    your bitching and get to work to find some facts

    to prove Mariah sold 300m records. Like I said I am done

    debating,but you will ALWAYS be called out on the lies

    and mistakes you keep posting. So you will NEVER feel

    relief,unless you stop posting lies. You are a Celine

    fan and you love Celine ? This is why you claim she has

    2.7 octaves while she reaches the 3.5 octaves ? Mariah

    has indeed a wider vocal range 5.1 octaves as she

    reaches the whistle register.(Over the E6 notes)YOU ARE

    EXPOSED FOR SAYING CELINE HAS 2.7 Octaves.

    Celine Vocal Range : B2 – E6 which is more than Toni

    Braxton , Leona , Beyonce AND Whitney ! (Whitney has 3.1

    octaves vocal range) !

    – You said Mariah has income from her acting career.

    LIE ! Actors are not being paid for flop films.

    – You said ”If Celine got 225 m $ from albums

    sold,that’s mean Mariah got 300 m $ from her albums

    since she sold more albums than Celine worldwide.” I

    can easily think like you so I should say : If Mariah

    sold 300m records then Celine sold 400m

    records.Still,you proved nothing,but I have Forbes and

    LA Times in my sleeve,that clearly mentioned 225m dollars

    made by album sales from Celine.

    – You say Mariah sold 25m albums in Japan.PROVE IT.

    In this world Mariah sold 18m albums In Japan (17m from

    Certifications) and if you claim 25m for her YOU HAVE TO

    BRING THE CERTIFICATIONS or ESTIMATIONS (not yours) or

    an Award for these sales.Posting 25m just like that

    MEANS NOTHING! See how it is done :

    Celine sold 15m albums In Canada ! Here :

    celinedioncharts.com/byalbum.htm

    You can also visit the CRIA certification system to see

    I don’t lie.

    Diamond Certification in Canada doesn’t mean 10xP (=1m)

    ,it could also mean 18xP like Celine’s ”The Colour of

    my love” that sold 1.800.000 copies there. (18xP)

    Same goes for Japan and ”Million” certifications.

    – You said Celine amuses her fans in her concerts.

    Funny how most of the songs during her shows are tear

    jerkers,LOL

    – Celine dropped school but this is irrelevant to what

    you claimed on producing skills,for instance..! You

    didn’t even know arranging and producing skills are the

    same thing and you mentioned them as 2 different things

    to put more asstes to Mariah.

    – Mariah followed choreography during Honey in 1998 -.-‘

    Just buy A New Day DVD & Taking Chances Tour DVD &

    Au Couer Du Stade DVD.

    – Celine is not just loud,she has great breath control,

    smooth transitions,belting ability,soft low notes.

    And of course belting and strong volume is needed in

    rnb singers as well,so you didn’t excuse any of your

    favorites against Celine.

    I REPEAT

    I don’t care proving anything more on Celine and I don’t

    mind debating. But the lies will always be exposed.

    You claim 200m records for Celine ? OK ! I am done.

    Keep on believing so. BUT

    Since you asked me…I ask again…Which sources prove

    Mariah sold 300m records ? It is an easy question.

    This is your last chance to answer.

    AND ALL THE BURDEN FALLS ON YOUR SIDE,DEAR.

    -> Follow my advice : Ask for sorry for all the lies you

    post and just leave the debate. You will at least show

    some DIGNITY.

  2. LuckyLuke says:

    I never called Mariah attention whore.Jessica did and

    I put her in place for doing so.

    All the other accusations took place in the past when I

    entered here with different nicknames just to piss you

    off. I used to say Celine sold 200m albums in 17 years

    then,which was obviously a big lie just to make you all

    angry.

    I am not a Mariah hater to accuse her of silly things

    such as boobs and not a delusional fan to post lies I

    can’t prove.

    Once again,my job here is done. I show how Celine sold

    240m records worldwide (not by inflating album sales)

    and if you don’t accept it I AM FINE WITH THIS.

    & Unlike your accusations it is been MORE than 3 months

    since I admited Mariah is better in : songwriting skills,

    producing skills,innovative ideas,video directing

    (Fantasy),even in beauty.

    On Voice and Legacy I have a different opinion.And

    I won’t ellaborate any further on why I consider Celine

    better than Britney Spears,LOL.

    Still I will never use words ”kills,slays,beats” !

    I DON’T WANT TO FIGHT WITH YOU, SO JUST STOP POSTING

    LIES ON CERTIFICATIONS AND SALLES !

  3. The Reason says:

    Almost forgot !

    Everything I said about Celine’s certifications

    dates is 100 percent right. She got her final

    certifications between 2000 – 2004 and I can post AGAIN

    these dates. & Mariah got her Millennium Award for sales

    coming from 1990-1999. This is why it is called

    MILLENIUM Award !

    Millenium ended at 31/12/1999.It has nothing to do

    with sales from 00s,despite the fact that it was given

    to MC during 2000.

    And her sales by 2000 stood at 130m albums without

    counting Rainbow. If you count Rainbow & her 00s albums

    (without inflating or deleting sales)

    you see she sold 150m by 2003 and 165m by 2011. It is

    so simple.

    Check all her sites , or her labels announcements.

    You can also check magazines of each era !

    Or even what every Tv host claims on her sales.

    You choose what to trust. I trust all these sites

    and you should stop calling me a liar,cause it is

    obvious I don’t create things out of my mind.

    Finally,stop saying that internet features lies because

    you get all your info using the internet. You know

    certifications by using the internet. You used to say

    you trust magazines ,but we shouldn’t go there cause

    all magazines declare Celine as the best seller of the

    last 20 years.(I already posted some of them)

    Now that I think of it , internet & media & magazines

    agree with me,LOL.

    Anyway…

    Just don’t lie again and we are fine :))

    I hate fighting with Mariah and Celine fans and I

    promise you I won’t reply again,if you avoid lies and

    theories.

  4. The Reason says:

    & I never compared Celine’s dancing skills to Beyonce’s.

    I am not crazy to do so. LOL

  5. The Reason says:

    @ POSTS 121-127 LIES / TRISH

    – 5.1 Otaves (Mariah’s range) is not the largest vocal

    range ever for a female. FAIL

    – All the awards you mentioned are are NOT

    INTERNATIONAL. You put the word ”International” and

    then you mention Billboard and MTV ! This proves your

    delusion. FAIL

    – Only WMA are considered international,Mariah has more

    because of the 90s distnctions per year & she was the

    best seller of 1990-1999. Celine’s international awards

    are more recent than Mariah’s. 2004 , 2007 , 2008 and so

    on. FAIL

    – Sales is not the only thing Celine could suprass

    Mariah.It is record sales & number of awards & stage

    presence/entertaining skills & popularity ! FAIL.

    – Celine is more popular everywhere,exept for Asia and

    Us,while Mariah is not even HALF popular Celine is in

    Africa.Celine even suprassed MJ in record sales in

    Africa and her tour demand there is impressive. FAIL

    – Mariah CARES About concerts ,she is just unable to

    sell out. FAIL

    – You said Celine parfumes are not nominated ! LMAO !

    Celine won FiFi award for women’s FRAGRANCE OF THE YEAR

    in 2004. Celine won award in 2006 for BEST PACKAGING.

    Celine won French Fragrance Industry award in 2007.

    Celine won Shape of Beauty Aware for Mood Boosting

    Fragrance of the Year (For Sensational) in 2008 ! And

    was nominated from 2004-2009 for all her Fragrances !

    On top of these she grossed 850.000.000 dollars.

    You fail and you prove once again you know NOTHING on

    Celine. FAIL

    – Celine was also included in many maazines during her

    pregnancy but I don’t see how this is an argument to

    popularity.FAIL.

    – The rest Us Mariah achievements are in my book years

    before you even heard of them. FAIL. :)

    – Mariah sold 35-40m albums in Asia. If you claim 50m

    PROVE IT. Otherwise you FAIL

    – All Mariah’s certifications are clear in Japan.

    Mariah Carey 4x Platinum 900,000

    Emotions 5x Platinum 1,000,000

    MTV Unplugged 2x Platinum 500,000

    Music Box 11x Platinum 2,300,000

    Merry Christmas 13x Platinum 2,700,000

    Daydream 12x Platinum 2,500,000

    Butterfly 8x Platinum 1,600,000

    Number 1s 18x Platinum 3,600,000

    Rainbow 5x Platinum 1,000,000

    Glitter 2x Platinum 450,000

    Greatest Hits 2x Platinum 400,000

    Charmbracelet 2x Platinum 400,000

    The Remixes 25,000

    The Emancipation Platinum 350,000

    E=MC Gold 150,000

    Memoirs Gold 100,000

    These figures where also announced by Sony Music Japan.

    These are her actual sales. Not only certified sales. If

    it was certified sales I would put 200k in TEOM and not

    350k,for being platinum. You FAIL to inflate her sales.

    – All Certification DATES are clear :

    ifpi.com/content/section_news/plat2004.html

    riaa.com/goldandplatinumdata.php?table=SEARCH_RESULTS

    FAIL.

    – Celine pulls people on her concerts because of her

    Voice & Stage Skills. FAIL again.

    – You said Celine did duets to boost her voice. LMAO

    Celine became known for her voice since 1981.She won

    awards for her voice all through the 80s decade when

    NOBODY made a duet with her. She won Grammy for

    her vocal perfomances for SOLO perfomances. Her

    hardest songs are SOLO songs. FAIL .

    – Boyz II Men vocalists ? LMAO.

    Celine equal to Nicki Minaj ? LMAO. Celine can’t sing

    in Greek,but I can sing in English and French so I am

    way better,according to your dumb (sorry :P) process

    of thought.

    Celine could only dream of singing Halo ? LMAO. An easy

    song.

    & Hip Hop = Rap and I don’t recall Mariah doing a rap

    verse.

    ———> After These You Had The NERVE to ask —->
    ”Since when Celine had a number 1 Hit on Billboard ? Eurochart ? United World Chart ? Since when your Idol had a million seller single ? Since when your idol won a Grammy Award ? A relevant major awards or citation ?
    About voice,what vocal record Celine ever hold in her career ? What citation from Guinness World Record did she ever received ? Which worldwide poll about voice did Celine ever won ? What International vocal rank did she ever top ? A worldwide poll ? Magazines Polls ? ”

    —–>

    All your questions are proof of your DELIRIUM and

    nothing more,but since you CHALLENGE me , I will reply.

    First,nobody here said Celine is a strong single seller.

    From you questions,Mariah wins only in Billboard Hot 100.

    Eurochart ? This decade Celine had more top 10 hits.

    Neither Celine,nor Mariah scored number 1s there this

    decade. FAIL

    United World Chart ? This decade Celine scored TWO

    number 1s at United World Chart. Mariah NONE. FAIL.

    Vocal Record ? More LIVE perfomances at SIGNIFICANT

    ceremonies than Mariah. More at Grammy than any other

    artist,more at Oscars than any other arist,”God Bless

    America” in 2001 when Mariah sang Loverboy (LOL) ,

    Live on Children’s Day 2002,L’amour Existe Encore in 2001

    for the victims & Grammy awards for pop vocal albums

    & pop vocal perfomances & award at AGE 15 in Japan

    for ”Tellement J’ai D’amour” & Eurovision Song Contest

    award in 1998 for a vocal perfomance. I think these

    awards/records reply to your questions.

    – ”Mariah doesn’t care to clown around in front of

    million of people ,wasting her unique voice for money.”

    Funny how Mariah does big tours only after flops. FAIL

    Funny how Mariah admited losing her abilities because of

    drinks and cigarettes. FAIL

    – ”You say Mariah’s voice is breathy,but can you cite for me 1 studio recording songs in which Mariah’s voice is breathy? ”

    LOL ! Songs ? All over Charmbracelet and Memoirs albums

    have breathy week vocals,even music critics mentioned

    this. FAIL

    Just to EXPLAIN you…

    ”Breathy” for Mariah has got to do her technique and

    it is an objective MISTAKE.

    What you call ”Nasal” for Celine has got to do with

    the sound of her voice and it is up to OPINION,not

    technique.You may like the timbre of a person’s voice or

    may not like it.

    The mistake Celine usually makes is her placement

    (technical mistake) is at high belted notes,because she

    uses her throat,while Mariah has better placement.

    So when I say sth about Mariah’s ”breathy voice” has

    got to do with bad technique, I don’t talk about her

    sound.On the other hand you only try to take down

    Celine’s sound/colour/timbre.

    – ”MARIAH CAREY IS A VERY GREAT DANCER NEXT TO CELINE

    DION.”

    Celine won awards for her show Choreography in 2007.

    FAIL.

    CONCLUSION —>

    You have 0 knowledge on Sales , 0 knowledge on Vocal

    Skills & 0 knowledge on CELINE DION in general.

    (From sales to voice,from parfume awards to technique)

    I replied to everything you said at posts 321-327.

    Quit posting lies & fake theories and I quit replying,

    I promise.

  6. The Reason says:

    * ”Since when your idol won a Grammy Award ?”

    Answer : Celine had already won 5 Grammy Awards by 1999.

    Mariah got 5 Grammy Awards by 2005.

    Not to mention who won the most Important Categories.

    (Record of the year,Album of the year,Best Vocal album)

    & Celine is the one to recieve an award from all Music

    markets (Even Latin America and Africa). Not only Us

    awards (American awards/Billboard),cause she is

    everything but limited.

  7. badik bombeo says:

    for me, Mariah s da best because she had a 18 # song on da billboard compare to Celine who had 6# songs!!! Mariah, had also 4 song of da year in da billboard which s hero,one sweet day,heartbreaker, and we belong together!! Mariah has more sold out albums!!!! Mariah ‘s 10 albums are all reach #1 in da us music charts!!!! Mariah had 5.1 octave voice while Celine got only 2 octave….. Celine s better but Mariah s da best!!! go m.c!!!!!!!!!

  8. The Reason says:

    Celine has 4 Billboard Hot 100 Number 1s,Mariah 18 out of

    a total of 10 and 26 top 10 hits,respectively.

    Mariah has 2 songs of the decades in Us & 6 number 1

    Albums.

    Celine has 3.5 octaves vocal range. (B2-E6)

    Whistle notes/register is the main difference in range.

  9. Lies Lies Lies says:

    @badik bombeo
    First of all, use proper grammar. I barely understood a word you were saying. Second of all, Mariah has sold 200-220 million records (albums,singles, music videos) while Celine has 220-250 million. And third, Mariah does not have 5.1, though I will admit Mariah has a larger range than Celine. But that doesn’t mean Celine has 2. That’s just wrong. She has an octave range of 3.7. You also said a big keyword there. “Mariah HAD 5.1 octave voice….” (which she doesn’t). HAD! Mariah doesn’t have a voice anymore. I have heard and seen enough videos of hen Mariah’s voice just breaks. I’m not saying Celine doesn’t do it, but only does when she’s sick. (ex: her performance at the British version of the XFactor.)
    And for all those people who say Celine only beats Mariah in touring and shake that off, it’s really a big deal. That just shows how much more Celine is popular worldwide unlike Mariah. In her tours, Celine performs 130 concerts whereas Mariah’s highest number of concerts are 71.
    Also, to the one who says Mariah’s Christmas album sold more than Celine’s, let me tell you that that is a lie (unless you’re talking about Celine’s Christmas albums from the ’80’s, which we’re not so…). I know someone already said this, but I want to clarify this a little bit more. Celine’s Christmas album These Are Special Times is the second best selling Christmas album of all time and the second best selling Christmas album in the US only behind Kenny G.
    Lots of you say Celine hasn’t been in movies so it proves Mariah is better. First of all, I’ll just start off by saying I won’t be saying what a flop her movies have been, ’cause not all have been. Second, none of this proves Mariah is better. We’re talking about vocals here. So don’t even bother bringing it up.
    Celine’s nasally because of her French accent. Her accent is a trademark. Mariah’s trademark? Her body. I’m sorry, I’m not trying to be rude here. Just saying what I think is going on. Celine is praised for her technique. So don’t you all go saying she has bad technique and don’t what she’s doing.
    I just want to say Mariah’s an okay singer, but Celine’s my favorite of all time. She doesn’t have to sing what others are singing to be popular and sell more albums unlike Mariah’s. I did like Mariah’s songs from the ’90’s, but now it’s just not something I want to listen to. Obsessed? Touch My Body? I don’t want to listen to Mariah telling someone to touch her arms and thighs. Just gross.

  10. The Reason says:

    @ POST 9

    Thank you, thank you and thank you !

    – Mariah had a 5.1 octave range, this is true.

    Now her vocal condition faces many problems.Same goes

    for her technique,which was flawless during 90s.

    – You exagerated a bit against MC, because her unique

    whistles is one of her trademarks but I got all your

    points.

    – Celine’s popularity is also shown by charts. Celine

    even scored number 1 albumS in S.America and Africa

    this decade,while MC barely reached the top 10 with TEOM.

    (Her Best Seller)

    – Please STAY HERE, because these lambs are out of

    control ,spreading lies about everything.

    Tell me your opinion on my posts 1-6 ! Thanks for the

    support.

  11. Mandy says:

    Music Box 32m/Falling Into You 32m
    Daydream 25m/Let’s Talk About Love 31m
    #1’s 18m/All The Way 21m
    Mariah Carey 18m/The Colour Of My Love 18m
    Merry Christmas 17m/ These Are Special Times 14m
    Butterfly 16 m/ A New Day Has come 11m
    The Emancipation Of Mimi 12m/ D’eux 9m
    Rainbow 12m / Celine Dion 5 m
    Emotions 11m /One Heart 5m
    MTV Unplugged EP 10m /Taking Chances 3,5m
    Greatest Hits 5m/S’il Suffisait D’aimer 3m
    Charmbracelet 4,7m/ Miracle 2,5m
    Glitter 4m/ /Dion Chante Plamondon 2m
    E=MC 2,8m/ Unison 3,5m
    Memoirs Of An Imperfect Angel 2m/ The Collector Serie 2 m
    The Remixes 1m/ D’elles 2m
    The Ballads 0,8m / On Ne Change Pas 1,7m
    Merry Christmas 0,6m/ Celine A L’Olympia 1 m
    Playlist 0,4m/Au Coeur Du Stade 1m + My Love 1m +A New Day Live 1m + 1980’s Quebecker albums 1,5m +low selling compilations 2m

    Total -> 180 million (Mariah )/ 178,7m ( Celine )
    ALBUM SALES = They are equal
    Mariah 180 million -Celine 178,4 million

    Mandy

    SINGLE SALES=Mariah wins
    Mariah 75 million- Celine 55 million

    DVD SALES = Celine wins
    Mariah 3 million- Celine 5,5 million

    VOICE = Mariah wins
    Mariah vocal range : 5 octaves -Celine vocal range ; 2,5 octaves

    POPULARITY = Mariah wins
    Mariah is popular in more countries/continents than Celine.
    Mariah Carey beat Celine in USA,Japan,Korea,China,Taiwan,Hong Kong,Philipines,Brazil, Costa Rica,Jamaica, West Indies ,Australia,New Zealand,Fidji ,Israel ,Brunei
    Celine beat Mariah in Canada,France,UK,Germany,Italia,Spain,Belgium,Luxembourg,South Africa.

    INFLUENCE = Mariah wins

    Mariah influences Kelly Clarkson,Beyonce,Jessica Simpson,Alicia Keys,Kat Deluna,Justin Timberlake,Destiny’s Child,Backstreet Boys,Trey Lorenz,Pixie Lott,Ciara,Rihanna…
    Celine influences Charice,Lara Fabian,Garou,etc…

    TOURS AND CONCERT TICKET SALES = Celine wins

    TALENT ( songwriting,composing and producing skills)= Mariah wins

    CONTRIBUTION & PART IN THE EVOLUTION OF MUSIC= Mariah wins
    Mariah is credited as the artist introducing elements of Hip Hop and R&B in Pop culture.Mariah is also credited as the pioneer of Remixes .She’s equally the one that had haul R&B genre on top in USA and popularized this Hip Hop/R&B worldwide.

    FORTUNE =Draw
    For all the 1990 and 2000 decades combined ,both divas are equal .Mariah was richer for all the 1990’s period, like Celine was richer for all the 2000’s period ( most of Celine major sources of income are situated in the 2000 decade,at the other hand most of Mariah’s come from the 1990’s.Celine had major contracts in the 2000’s with American and Canadian brands,Mariah had major contracts in the 1990’s with Japanese and American brands ).
    Conclusion :
    Celine wins in DVD sales,tours & concert ticket sales…
    Mariah Carey wins in :Album sales, Single sales,voice,talent,popularity,influencial power,musical and artistical contribution.
    Mariah and Celine are equal in fortune.
    Mariah is better because she wins in most things.

  12. Lies Lies Lies says:

    @The Reason
    I know that’s also one of her trademarks, but I thought I’d leave that out ’cause everytime I ask a friend about her, I have to remind them about her body so that they know who she is (strange, but true). Not many singers, good singers I should say, have French accents but I know quite a few who can whistle (I’ve even heard JoJo on YouTube do it (kind of surprising)).
    I agree with everything you say! I’m beginning to think Trish is Chimier from YouTube because she will not stop with her lies and insults to Celine and us. But I guess it can’t be since Chimier doesn’t give up. But she is a like a smaller version of Chimier if you know what I mean.
    And to all the lambs -> shut up, read what we have to say, and research about your idol because you’re humiliating yourselves by stating the obvious and lying to us and yourselves. Don’t be like that ’cause no one likes that. :/

  13. Lies Lies Lies says:

    Not trying to be harsh though I don’t know how I’m being harsh.

  14. Lies Lies Lies says:

    I entered the contest for Celine and I really want to win!

  15. The Reason says:

    @ Mandy

    – ALBUM SALES : Get your facts straight. Mariah sold

    around 165m albums.You inflated many of her album sales

    (Mtv Live,Emotions,TEOM,Merry Xmas).

    – SINGLES SALES : Mariah sold 55m+ singles and I can

    prove it anytime.

    – DVDS : You are so right and exact.

    – POPULARITY : MC is more popular in Asia and

    Us according to their record sales. I don’t see how you

    speak specifically about Fidji Islands and Costa

    Rica,since I bet you ignore the certification system

    there & Mariah was never awarded in these places.And

    Brazil belongs to Celine – LTAL is Million seller there.

    Mariah has an airplay record there in 2009,still she

    didn’t even reach Platinum with Memoirs.Plus,There are

    European markets where Mariah is almost uknown, but we

    can’t say the same about Celine in Asian markets.

    – VOICE : Celine has a 3.5 range.More range doesn’t mean

    better singer,because that would mean Madonna (4 octaves)

    is better than Whitney (3.1 octaves) and Leona (2.8

    octaves). I have been saying for months that

    both singers have pros and cons in their technique

    and vocal condition, so it is silly comparing them.

    – INFLUENCE/LEGACY :

    A) Vocal Legacy : You are 100 percent right. They both

    have Vocal Legacy, but Mariah has more, cause more

    artists credit her.

    B) Musical Legacy : Mariah wins (Fantasy Remix etc)

    Celine has none.

    C) Cultural Impact : the influence of French language

    has increased outside the nation’s borders,thanx to

    Celine’s talent and success, according to accolades

    Celine recieved.

    Celine was awarded in mid 90s (Knight of the Order of

    Arts and Letters) and in 2008 by Nicola Sarkozy

    (Legeon of Honor) for her acievements and influence.

    Her cultural impact is actually shown (apart from the

    awards) by the fact that Celine always sings French

    songs all around the world.On top of that her albums

    always chart in non-francophone markets.

    (Uk,German,Greece,Portugal etc).

    There is no other francophone artist in the history of

    music to introduce French music to the world,the way

    Celine did.

    D) Entertaining Impact : According to AEG,Celine’s

    impact on the entertainment standard is the

    bar all others compare to, after her extremely

    successful Vegas shows.

    This is also proved by the title she was given in 2008

    ”Entertainer of the New Millenium”.

    E) Economical impact : I think only Elvis and Sinatra

    managed to affect the economy of a whole city in the

    past. Now it is Celine that reportedly affect the

    economy state of Vegas. (This has nothing to do with

    legacy, but is relevant to impact.)

    – Producing/Composing/Songwriting : Mariah.

    – FORTUNE : Celine was slightly ahead of MC in 2007,

    when Forbes publicized their TOTAL income,coming from

    the course of their careers. After 2007, Celine grossed

    280m For Touring & sold 6m+ albums & sold 2m DVDs

    & earns 500.000 $ from each night of her Vegas shows.

    So, it is pretty clear Celine is richer by 2011 with a

    bigger difference,compared to 2007.

    Finally, LA Times clearly show how Celine was the top

    earner. Mariah didn’t even make it to top 20.

    @ Lies Lies Lies

    LOL ! No,Trish is a unique combination of ignorance and

    fanatism. She used to say MC sold 15m Dvds in Us.

    So nobody can compare to my precious Trish. xD

    Be ready to read some crazy theories and some serious

    insult on Celine (nose,clown,ugly,comedian,irrelevant)

    and so on. When you can’t speak with facts, you have

    to insult..! ;-)

  16. The Reason says:

    @ Lie Lie Lie

    Are we you tube friends or sth ? :D

    Send me a message there please. Thanx. :)

  17. TRISH says:

    @ Lucky Luke :
    – I am 19,so I am over 15 years old.
    -I don’t try to prove you wrong ,this is you that try to prove me wrong cause I integrated Popdirt blogs before you .
    -What you claim are not established facts,they are just interpreted and disguised facts.
    -I already proved your sources are wrong many times
    -The burden of fake facts is yours.
    -I don’t give a **** you’re done debating,I didn’t integrate these blogs to debate with you.I’m here to post what I know on MC and Celine.
    -Celine Dion voice is 2,7 octaves,Whitney’s vocal range is wider than Celine’s ( around 3 octaves ).
    -Whitney always reach higher vocal notes than Celine and also lower notes,so she have more octaves than Celine.
    -Celine never reach 3 octaves,unlike Whitney (in the songs How Will I Know,I Wanna dance With Somebody,I’m Every Woman,So Emotional,The Star Spangled Banner etc…Whitney reaches high notes that Celine never did in all her career.Whitney also reaches lower notes than Celine never did ,in the songs Why Does It Hurt So Bad,After We Make Love,Try It On My Own,etc…. ).Whitney has more volume than Celine ( I Will Always Love You, Didn’t We Almost Have It All, All The Man That I need,I Wanna Dance With Somebody,I Have Nothing,Queen Of The Night,One Moment In Time,etc…).
    -Except for Toni Braxton,Leona Lewis and Beyonce have wider vocal range than Celine.Toni,Leona and Beyonce can reach low notes Celine could never do,Leona usually reach high notes Celine never reach .You just confound vocal volume with vocal range.
    -If what you say is true,Mariah wasn’t paid for only Glitter cause only Glitter was a flop film in which she had a role .All others were moderate successes or good successes.
    -For Mariah ,I have the royalties she have for all her songs per albums over Celine as argument and the significant number of her albums sold ,to say that she have more money from her albums sold than Celine,not just citation from magazine.Forbes only give Celine’s income from albums sold,Forbes doesn’t count albums sold.So, its estimation doesn’t mean that Celine’s albums income could surpass Mariah’s.
    -Mariah sold 25 million albums in Japan.I would ask the source you gave to prove Celine’s 15 million albums sold in Canada just like you ask me to do,as her certifications there surpass barely 11 million there.
    -All the other female singers mentioned here have great breath control,smooth transitions ,belting ability and soft low notes too,not just Celine does.
    -And of course vocal runs is needed in Pop singers as well,so you didn’t excuse Celine against the other singers.Besides,Whitney Houston and Aretha Franklin are known worldwide for being the pioneers of powerful belts and strong volume,although they are mainly soul/R&B singers.Soul/R&B singers usually use more volume than pop singers. (Aretha Franklin, Whitney Houston,Mariah Carey,Toni Braxton,Boyz II Men, Brian Mcnight ). So,sayin that belting and strong volume is needed in R&B show how much ignorant you are.Did Madonna,Barbra,Britney,Cindy Lauper, Kylie Minogue,etc…. use loud belts and strong volume ? As they are pop singers ?
    I repeat : I will always post the truth here unlike you, and you can’t prevent me to do so.You claim 220 million for Mariah ???
    -Facts prove Mariah sold more records than Celine,not just re-interpreted sources.Facts prove Celine’s worldwide sales are behind Mariah’s .
    -I show how Mariah sold more records than Celine ( not by inflating sales from biased sources ) and if you don’t accept it I don’t care.
    -Since the debut I always admitted Celine is better in : concert ticket sales, successful tours,DVD sales,etc…On album sales and popularity, everything show the opposite.
    – You say “ I DON’T WANT TO FIGHT WITH YOU ….” ,did I invite you to do so ? So why do you continue to spread your lies here ? since you say you’re done debating ,you don’t want to fiht,etc…?
    I NEVER WANTED TO DEBATE SPECIALLY WITH YOU, I JUST POST MY POSTS AND YOU JUMPED HERE TO THWART ME WITH ONLY LIES AND BIASED BACK UP.
    -Mariah got the Millennium Award because she was the best selling female artist of the last Millenium.The Millennium include all the 19th century and also all the centuries that came before.It was n’t called “ 1990 Decade Award “ neither “ 19th Century Award ”.It was called Millennium Award.
    -Mariah album sales had reach 150 million by 2000.
    -Indeed,you choose what to trust just like I do too.
    -You lied many many times,beside most of your biased links.
    -Internet features lies ,even though I got many infos from it. And not all my info come from internet.For example,I didn’t got the infos about Nana Mouskouri true total album sales and about many Mariah’s info from internet.
    -I don’t just trust what is said by any source. I know most of them are mistaken or are just biased.
    -Mariah’s vocal range is 5,2 octaves
    -It is the largest vocal range for a female.No one surpasses it.Mariah hold this record since her debut ( particulary by 1991 when she had hit the G# 8 note at the end of her live performance of Emotions,outsinging even the piano ! She also outsing the piano in 2002 in her rendition of the American National Anthem according to Guinness World Records.
    -Only by 2007, Georgia Brown ,equalized MC’s highest note,when she had hit a G #8 note ( obviously MC couldn’t reach this note in 2007,after so many active years in music ,like she used to at her debuts ).That’s why Brown beat MC’s record till 2007 for the highest note. But Mariah still beat her for the widest vocal range,as MC can hit much lower note than Georgia Brown.
    -Whistle notes/register is not the main difference in range.There is also low notes,high notes and ability to SING the high notes,not to just HIT them,great flexibility and agility that are always more important when the vocal range is wider .Artists with wider vocal range also usually have more silkyness and smoothness in their voices.So the whistle is not the main difference.
    -The Awards I mentioned are all international .Billboard and MTV are international Awards cause they honor not only American artists,but also Canadian artists,British artists,Spanish artists,Mexican artists,Jamaican artists,French artists,Columbian artists,etc…unlike Juno ,Prix Felix that honor only Canadian artists only or Victoire de la Musique that honor French artists exclusively.
    -Most of Celine’s recent awards are local,not international.She haven’t more international Awards than Mariah.Celine reached Mariah’s level of success by late ,that’s why her important awards came after Mariah’s.
    -Album sales would be the only thing in which Celine could beat MC.In fact ,she beat The voice only in concert ticket sales and tours.The other things you mentioned for Celine are just your opinion.
    -Mariah is much more popular everywhere ,except for Canada and Europe while Celine is even not half popular Mariah is in Latin America.
    -Celine was included in a few magazines during her pregnancy compared to Mariah.
    -Mariah sold over 50 million albums in Asia.You fail cause you can’t prove she sold less.
    -All Celine’s certifications in Canada are clear,showing that her true total sales could never reach even 12 million there.
    -Celine pulls people on her concerts not because of her voice. Madonna ,Cher, Tina Turner etc…are all successful in concerts not because of their voices.
    -Celine made duets to boost the reputation of her voice.The awards she won in the 80’s were not enough significant to bring her at international celebrity and popularity.She wasn’t popular even in whole Canada,but only in Quebec ( Celine wasn’t the most successful female artist in Quebec at the 1980’s ).So,she use all famous and reputed vocalists to back up and boost her own voice and career.
    -Not just Grammy determine the better voices.The artists having the most Grammy are not the artists credited as the better voices nor the greatest voices.Madonna got most Grammy than Celine but that doesn’t mean Madonna have a better voice .
    -Boyz II Men are vocalists ! In an article from Billboard Magazine in 1994,they were called vocalists.Wanya Morris,the lead vocal of the group always considered as a great Soul/R&B vocalist ! And the way they sing also proves they are vocalists. You cited Bryan Adams as vocalist whereas he doesn’t, the vocals he use in his songs ( Pop-Rock )have nothing to do with the way vocalists sing s!
    -Don’t re-interpret my words.I said Celine equals to Nicki Minaj in the meaning that Celine can’t sing Nicki Minaj’s song like Nicki can’t sing Celine Dion’s song.That’s true.
    -Yes,you would be better than Celine on VARIOUS LANGUAGES MASTERED,if you could really sing in 3 different languages,since Celine can sing in 2 different languages.Celine would be better than you on SINGING,not on the mastering of various languages,idiot ! You combine every assets . Besides,this is your process of thought,cause this is you that claimed formerly Celine is better than MC cause she sings in 2 languages unlike The Voice. See that the one having dumb process of thinking is you ?
    -Mariah already sing Rap verses
    -Halo is not an easy song ,cause Celine ( nowadays) couldn’t sing it as she couldn’t hit the low note,neither make the silky and flexible vocal runs.
    -Mariah has much more # 1,top 10 ,top 20 and top 30 hits everywhere worldwide than Celine,even in this decade .
    -Mariah tops every international vocal polls and ranks ,unlike Celine that never integrate even the top 5 of better voices.Mariah had break records by her vocal abilities unlike Celine.Mariah is the ultimate vocal model for every artists and every vocalists everywhere worldwide.Her voice is the bar all other vocalists compare to !
    -Mariah still have her vocal abilities,proved mainly and specially by her last album Merry Christmas 2 You that is better than what Celine ever do vocally in her entire career ! Comparing songs and vocal performances from this album to songs from Celine’s 1998 Christmas album would only put Celine’s stans in an awkward position !
    -There is any breathy song from Mariah’s albums.You couldn’t cite even 1 song having to back up this claim.Music critics also call Celine’s voice “nasal’ not in just 2 or 3 albums ,but constantly ( even though Celine sound less nasal in some records and more nasal in other records).
    -Celine won awards for her show choregraphy because everyone though she couldn’t move at all.They were astonished as they saw she could almost “ dance ‘ like everyone and amused people by her comedic “ dance ‘.So they awarded her.
    -Celine never won Grammy for Record Of the Year,nor Album Of The Year ,etc…as she’s nil on producing,composing and songwriting.Producers and songwriters won them.The only Grammy Celine really won are in the Best Vocal Performance category( in which she share one with Peabo Bryson ).Mariah got 5 Grammy Awards by her own !
    -Mariah is the one to be popular everywhere worldwide,even in the tinyest places of the world ( Jamaica,Haiti,Fidji Islands,Solomon Islands,etc…).She also have # 1 hits in those places and influences artists/vocalists there.Cause she’s everything but not a robot.She’s a true artist.
    @ Lies Lies Lies ( you nicknamed yourself very well )
    -Learn that there is posters from various nationalities/languages in these debates for which English is not the native language nor the second neither the third language and that many people posting here may just improvise English phrases to express their ideas here.
    -Mariah Carey sold much more records than Celine
    -Mariah’s voice is 5,2 octaves,Celine’s is 2,7 the most.Christina Aguilera is the closest vocalist to Mariah in vocal range.Mariah proves she still have her particular vocal assets many times live,specially in her last album.
    -Celine’s voice doesn’t even come close to Mariah’s .There is a lot of female voices that beat Celine’s and that are closest to Mariah’s.
    -All Celine stans can show Celine beat MC only in concerts and tours,in nothing else.You also do exactly the same.
    -Mariah Carey’s Merry Christmas is the best selling Christmas album of all times.It’s also the second best selling Christmas album in USA only behind Elvis Presley’s.
    -Celine’s These Are Special Times is far behind Mariah’s Merry Christmas on sales and popularity.
    -Mariah’s trademark is her unique and unreachable high notes ( that she sing ) and her whistles.Celine have no trademark,her nasality is a handicap,not a trademark.Even musical critics always blame her for it.
    -Every artists are praised for their respective techniques,not just Celine. Celine have no particular technique,so saying she’s praised for her technique is stupid.
    -Celine is the one who sing what other artists had already sing as every of her albums got around 3 cover songs the less,while most of Mariah’s albums have no cover versions.The few ones that does, just got just one cover,rarely 2.So she sells thanks to the past hits and songs of other artists.
    -Mariah sells more albums than Celine
    @ Lucky Luke
    Mariah’s voice have any problems .Celine’s voice have innumerable problems,not only nasality and dryness and sourness.
    -MC ‘s popularity is also shown by charts.Mariah even scored #1 hits in Latin America and Europe, this decade,while Celine reached barely the top 10 with ANDHC ( her best seller ).

    Celine fans are going crazy ,they are so frustrated cause all the got to defend Celine is her concerts and tours ,nothing else.Lucky Luke is going crazy ! He said goodbye to the blog at many occasions ( 4 or 5 times ) but in facts,he always stay in the debate ,spreading falsified links and lies here since August 2010.Sad !

  18. TRISH says:

    This reply concern the post 1 to post 10.For the foolish lies posted in the post 12 to the post 16,I will reply to them later.

  19. The Reason says:

    @ LIAR TRISH

    YOUR IGNORANCE IS UNBELIEVABLE. REALLY READ WHAT I WRITE.

    – You attacked my posts first and you did again at

    ”Madonna Vs Mariah”so you are the one trying to prove

    me wrong. Moreover you are the one that attacks my

    sources. I never had to do that because you brought 0

    sources. So once again, you are the one trying to

    prove myths.

    – You are out of control posting lies about vocal range.

    To be exact Celine’s studio vocal range is 3.3 octaves

    and live she has hit some higher notes till 3.5. Whitney

    has reached 3.3 in studio and live she hit 3.1. Their

    range is impressive and let’s not talk about Whitney.

    The case is you posting lies or ignoring the fact that

    Celine has a 3.5 octave range. Moreover, if I was a

    parrot I would post here lies about Celine having 5

    octaves range. (Many sources claim so but it

    wrong.) Celine songs that reached the highest notes are

    Dans un autre monde (live in TC) & C6 notes in Love Can

    Move Mountains , Beauty And The Beast (Live in Memphis)

    and so on.

    – Leona Lewis has less than 3 octaves. You are a big

    ignorant.And Beyonce’s lower is a B2.Celine’s is a Bb2.

    Do you even know what C6 , B2 , Bb2 is ?

    – NONE of Mariah’s other films were success. Tenesse ,

    Wisegirls , Bachelors all floped. Only Precious was

    successful. FAIL I already brought the budget and

    grossing of these films so I don’t know why you insist.

    – Forbes and LA Times actually saw Celine had more income

    from album sales this decade. The 225m $ was about albums

    sold this decade.

    – I already posted the link to see Celine’s Canadian

    sales and I can explain them again and again. You can’t

    bring any source proving Mariah 25m Japanese sales

    because it is A LIE ! Mariah sold 18m albums in Japan

    and these sales were announced officially by Sony Music

    Japan. Moreover all the certifications are on every

    Mariah site. On top of that I brought certifications.

    – Vocal runs needed in pop music ? Can you give me a

    definition of vocal runs cause I bet you don’t know what

    you are talking about.Stop copy pasting my answers,thanx.

    – Aretha and Whitney have huge volume but why do you

    mention them ? Did I post that Celine has the STRONGEST

    Volume of all ? No, I didn’t.So you once again talk

    alone comparing Celine to everyone just to make a point.

    – You of course don’t know what belting is. You think it

    is screaming and sustaining long notes so you prove what

    an ignorant you are. And all the pop singers you

    mentioned have used beltings. Even Madonna in ”Don’t

    cry for me Argentina. Even Madonna who is not a vocalist.

    – You never posted the truth here on sales. Only lies.

    – Yes Mariah sold 220m records and if I have to just

    babble what is said by her label or sources in Internet

    I would say she sold 200m records.And No facts prove

    Mariah sold more than Celine. And if there are

    facts mention them. On the opposite internet , media ,

    newspapers claim Celine as the best seller of the past

    20 years. Don’t try to dispute internet,media and

    newspapers on Celine. Just shows the ”everything

    proves”.

    – ”I show how Mariah sold more records than Celine ( not by inflating sales from biased sources ) and if you don’t accept it I don’t care”

    LMAO ! You are a big joke. The fact that you copy past

    my answers all the time WILL NEVER BRING YOU TO MY LEVEL.

    You inflated ALL Mariah’s sales, you have 0 knowledge on

    certifications , you CONTRADICT with her sites , awards ,

    Columbia records.

    You are a liar , nothing more nothing less.

    – On album sales and popularity NOTHING shows the

    opposite.

    – I don’t debate but your lies will always be exposed.

    :) Pretty simple.

    – LOL at you claiming Mariah sold 150m albums by 2000

    and as of the definition of Millennium Award,thanx I know

    it very well.

    It was about what Mariah sold during the 90s since her

    career bagan in 1990. Too bad Mariah’s label put you in

    shame for claiming she sold over 150m by 2000.

    – I lied many times and posted biased links ? LOL !

    When did I lie exactly ? when you said Celine sold 140m

    by 2003 and then changed it to below 130m ? when you

    said Celine influenced nobody ? when you said Mariah

    sold 100m records more than Celine ? when you TOLD ME

    YOU TRUST MAGAZINES AND I BROUGHT MAGAZINES THAT SHOWED

    THE TRUTH AND THEN STOPPED REFERING TO MAGAZINES AGAIN !

    LOL ! When did I lie ? when you said Mariah sold 15m in

    Us ? When YOU said Mariah sold 15m DVDs in Us ?

    What makes a liar ? ? ? ? ?

    At least I support my arguments on sources, not my mind.

    NOW CLOSE YOU IGNORANT MOUTH AND READ YOUR UPCOMING

    LIES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    – THE ONLY WEAPON YOU HAVE IS INFLATING Mariah’s album

    sales and DELETING Celine’s which is pathetic and I

    could do the same. Actually everyone can. And if you

    wanna call my links biased explain WHY they are biased.

    The fact that they disagree with you and your delusional

    theories don’t make them biased. It is simple.

    – Of course Internet features lies,this doesn’t mean

    that EVERYTHING in the internet is a lie. So may I ask

    you ,where did you get the info on Nana’s sales ? ? ?

    *waits*

    I BET YOU WILL AVOID ANSWERING ! I AM SURE CAUSE I KNOW

    YOUR TACTICS.

    – At least you know sth about Mariah cause what you

    posted on her Emotions perfomace is 100 percent right.

    Still you should check Georgia Brown’s vocal range.

    – I said ”main” difference ! LOL ! I choose my words

    carefully. Of course ”main” means that there are other

    differences and it is true that Mariah hits lower notes

    & hits higher notes way easier than Celine.

    – Billboard and MTV Awards award international artists

    but that doesn’t make them international,cause they are

    about LOCAL achievements of artists of indeed different

    cultures. These awards never awarded an achievent in

    Japan or Europe or Oceania so this is my point.

    – Celine recieved World Music CAREER Awards in 2004 ,

    2007 and one in 2008. Not to mention her local awards

    (Europe , Canada , Africa , S.America ) say pretty much

    everything.

    – ”Celine is even not half popular Mariah is in Latin

    America.”

    LMAO ! Big LIE !

    Maybe you should check their respective certifications.

    If you don’t trust them you can take a look at Special

    Awards. Or mind looking reviews on every Mariah effort

    to sing a Spanish song.

    – Celine is more popular in Canada , Europe , Africa ,

    S.America and Oceania (same records but Celine has tour

    success).

    – Celine didn’t even put make up on during her magazines

    photos cause she was anxious about the babies. She

    avoided photos and exposure during her pregnancy. Fact.

    – ”Mariah sold over 50 million albums in Asia.You fail cause you can’t prove she sold less.”

    LMAO ! Is this your ability to debate ? Ha ha ha ha ha !

    Ok,Celine sold 1 billion copies worldwide and no matter

    what you say,you will always fail to despite it. :D

    Am I good debater now ? LMAO

    You have to PROVE what you say, and you don’t prove ,

    you INFLATE. It is so fu**ing simple.

    Plus, you are not in position to judge I fail about her

    Asian sales since YOU ADMITED YOU DON’T KNOW ANYTHING ON

    THEM. So your ASSUMPTIONS are not enough to prove I have

    failed.

    – Watch the link I posted about Celine’s Canadian sales

    and tell me what mistakes are made. Plus open the CRIA

    certification system. Maybe a Nieslen Soundscan search

    would be helpful.

    – Celine became known because of her voice. She is not

    attractive,not mainstream,doesn’t have flashy hot videos.

    People attend her concerts because of her voice and

    improved stage skills. If they wanted to have fun and

    laugh they would pay 20 dollars to attend the circus,

    not 150 dollars to see Celine. Plus,ALL her songs are

    demanding & usually tear jerkers. So usually people

    cry or get emotional in Celine concerts. Buy some of

    her dvds.

    – ”Celine made duets to boost the reputation of her voice.”

    Celine was considered a fenomeno back in Quebec thanks to

    her voice,to begin with. She was not the best seller

    but was really successful,even if you take into

    account that she had to compete with

    adults.Anyway,this is not the point here.Just check some

    stuff please. Moreover she has won many awards

    for her SOLO perfomances and even more nominations. On

    top of that her harder songs are SOLO. Her biggest hits

    – English or not – are SOLOS (My Heart Will Go On,

    Because You Loved Me,Je Sais Pas,Pour Que Tu M’Aimes

    Encore)

    – ”Not just Grammy determine the better voices.”

    Ha Ha Ha !

    You are a joke. You asked what vocal records Celine has

    and I simply replied. LOL . And Celine’s Grammy awards

    were about VOCAL PERFOMANCES, so what you posted about

    Madonna having more Grammy is totally IRRELEVANT. & I

    mentioned her record of perfomances in both Grammy and

    Oscars cause you asked for singing/voice records. :)

    – ”Boyz II Men are vocalists ! In an article from Billboard Magazine in 1994,they were called vocalists.”

    That depens on the definition dear.

    Drumer —> plays drums

    Pianist —> plays piano

    Vocalist –> uses vocals. According to that even Rihanna

    is a vocalist.

    I used the word to refer to really amazing singers,but

    anyway. I like BoyzIIMen so let’s get over that.

    & Bryan Adams is a vocalist,by all means.

    – ”since Celine can sing in 2 different languages.”

    OUCH ! She has sang in 6 languages dear.

    A fan should know that !!! &

    I NEVER SAID CELINE IS BETTER THAN MC CAUSE SHE SINGS

    IN 2 DIFFERENT LANGUAGES. That is so dumb and generic.

    Not my IQ level , trust me. It is just you that

    interpret what I say the wrong way.

    – What Rap Verses did Mariah think ? I am asking this as

    a fan not a debater, cause I really don’t know.

    – Halo is easy. Check the notes of the song please..! On

    vocal runs,you are right. Beyonce is better.

    – ”Mariah has much more # 1,top 10 ,top 20 and top 30

    hits everywhere worldwide than Celine,even in this

    decade.”

    Exept for the charts you asked . LMAO !

    Plus,bring her singles chart peaks,if you can.

    (I can do that any minute)

    – Mariah tops FAN MADE polls. You support Mariah in all

    the WRONG ways. You try to say she is better because she

    was voted. I mean,come on TRISH ! Mariah was suprassed

    by FAILtina Aguilera,which was a BLASPHEMY ! Not to

    mention that these ranks fu**ed up Mrs Whitney Houston

    which is freaking amazing ! Anything else you claimed on

    MC ”every artist” is just lie. I love how you write

    ”every artist compare to MC” and ”everything proves

    Mariah sold more” ! LOL !

    ”Everything” is a silly word to use.

    And thanks for stealing my phrase ”is the bar they…”

    – Yes, Mariah still has a great voice. Nobody said the

    opposite. But I won’t bother ellaborating on that.

    – Mariah whispers soft verses. Her most whispered albums

    are Charmbracelet and Memoirs. This is why I mentioned

    them. Why would I cite a specific song ? You will come

    back to say ”You lie. Mariah didn’t whisper. She did it

    amazingly”

    – Celine got awards because she did a great job. Don’t

    put your poison on everything she achieved. Still,your

    biased explanation doesn’t change the fact that Mariah

    will never be awarded for a choreography.

    – TAKE NOTE TO THE ULTIMATE STUPIDITY :

    ”Celine never won Grammy for Record Of the Year,nor Album Of The Year ,etc…as she’s nil on producing,composing and songwriting.Producers and songwriters won them.The only Grammy Celine really won are in the Best Vocal Performance category( in which she share one with Peabo Bryson ).Mariah got 5 Grammy Awards by her own!”

    Ha ha ha ha ha !

    DON’T EVEN DARE OF SAYING YOU ARE CELINE FAN AFTER THAT !

    LEARN , you ingnorant creature that Album of the year

    (Falling Into You-1997) is awarded to artists. Same goes

    for Best Pop Vocal Album (Falling Into You-1997). Same

    for record of the year (My Heart Will Go On-1999) !

    SONG of the year (1999) went to James Horner and Will

    Jennings.

    Finally,Celine won Best Female Pop Vocal Perfomance

    for My Heart Will Go On which is SOLO.

    – What are Mariah’s number 1s in Jamaica,Haiti,Fidji you

    lying creep ? I bet you can’t answer that. I will laugh

    while I will be waiting for the answer and still I will

    never get an answer.

    – No comment on the Xmas albums parody. Nobody beats

    you at inflating Mariah’s sales. You even said it sold

    over 18m copies. LMAO (Oh yes, go on and post that lie

    again)

    – ”Dryness and sourness” ! LMAO ! Still attacking

    Celine with mean adjectives when you have 0 knowledge on

    music pedagogy. Ha Ha Ha ! You don’t even know her real

    flaws – because she has at least 2 big flaws ! Haha.

    Not only you FAIL in supporting MC, you also FAIL

    in taking down Celine.

    – I said Goodbye to end this debate BUT you came back

    many days after my final reply to post 6 huge posts

    featuring your lies. And as I said your lies, will

    always be exposed.

    – What music critics blamed Celine for nasality ? ? ?

    MENTION THEM if you dare.

    3rd question you will be UNABLE to answer.

    – As you see in this comment, I didn’t really debate.

    I didn’t support Celine, I mainly corrected your

    mistakes/lies. You LIED about Celine’s range , LIED

    about her Grammy Awards and posted crap on her

    achievements (I never did that with MC)

    and voice (handicap) don’t bother coming up with new

    theories,really. I will wait answers on Nana / Mariah’s

    number 1s in Fidji and Jamaica / Critics that panned

    Celine’s nasality in specific.

    Of course I alredy laugh my ass out,cause you can’t

    answer anything of these.Lies again…

    As you see ”foolish lies” is YOUR DEPARTMENT. Nobody

    touches you in this. :)))

  20. The Reason says:

    What pisses me off is the fake difference of 100m records

    you claim. I can deal with people considering MC

    the best seller – cause she achieved huge things ,but

    not with BIG FAT LIARS that claim crazy numbers with

    ZERO proof from certifications.

    01.I Noticed you only came up with the 300m records

    theory when you had to take down Madonna’s huge

    total sales. YOU NEVER claimed Mariah sold over 300m

    records before. You came up with that lie a few months

    ago at ”Madonna Vs Mariah” debate.

    02.I also noticed you never managed to prove Mariah’s

    200m albums by market (cause they are fake) and your

    only reply was NOT ACCEPTING Celine’s sales by music

    market. This is not what a debater does.

    This what A WALL does.

    03.Despite how many times you call me ”idiot”, I know

    you think I am smart. Debating to an idiot person would

    make you and idiot,and you are not. You are smart and

    patient. You just never spent much time on Celine.

    And this is definitely proved by what you post on her

    awards,range,genres of songs,Grammy,records,even

    certifications (I remember you denied Celine’s LTAL

    album was Million seller in Brazil) or nicknames

    (the nose,handicap,ugly,chin,robot,comedian,clown)

    -> These are mean words.

    CONCLUSION —>

    Just leave this debate or stop posting lies. I don’t

    know if you lie or just ignore things. I really

    don’t ! Anyway,If you stop that attitude you have

    been showing, I am done replying ,I promise.

  21. The Reason says:

    PS

    Oh yeah ! and don’t try to dispute Celine being a

    cultural icon. This is not debatable at all. She has

    huge success in non-francophone markets with many

    French projects, (even live albums) ,she sings

    French songs during her worldwide tours (even in Asia,

    Africa,Oceania) since early 90s and on top of these she

    has been awarded for what I claim in 2008 by the Prime

    Minister of France. Even her lowest seller D’Elles

    charted in Cyprus,German,Greek,Porugal,Sweeden which is

    not typical or expected at all. No other francophone

    artist ever did these to this extend and nobody will

    ever will.

    As of Mariah, I repeat in case it hasn’t been clear.

    She influenced more artists (vocal impact) which is

    pretty much logical and has great musical influence

    (Fantasy remix). Celine has some vocal impact/influence

    (LESS than Mariah) and doesn’t have musical influence.

    And I repeat MC is also ahead in

    – Songwriting

    – Producing

    – Composing —–> M you s I c I a n s h I p

    as everyone knows because she focused on creating songs

    and music,thanx to her talents.

    Celine focused on extensive touring since 1984 and the

    results are known.

    They are both great and amazing and people that can’t

    see these are just haters and should stay pressed.

  22. TRISH says:

    -@ Lucky Luke.Madonna has 4 octaves of vocal range ? Why not 5.2 octaves just like Mariah or more? This is so funny and so laughable.That’s prove how much your sources are reliables,everyone could judge the validity of your claims by this obvious lie.Of course,you surely got some links supporting this absurdity.What a shame !
    -Madonna’s vocal range is 1 octave ( Soubrette ). Christina Aguilera is one among the rare artists that have 4 octaves of vocal range.That’t why she can whistle ; she’s also considered as one of the greatest voices of the musical industry !
    -Let’s talk About Love sold 200 000 copies in Brazil,while Music Box sold over 750 000 copies there,outselling every Celine albums there !
    -Whitney’s The Bodyguard is the only English language album reaching million status in Brazil.
    -Mariah’s Music Box sells over 750 000 in Brazil,more than any album from Celine Dion.
    -Mariah is much more popular in Brazil and in the rest of Latin America than Celine.The Voice has number 1 Hits in Brazil since her debut in 1990. The only one popular song Celine got in Brazil is My Heart Will Go On since 1998, for her entire career.Mimi already have 7 number 1 hits there ! She’s popular in Latin America not in links,but in facts.
    -Wide vocal range determine the quality and the capability of voice.
    -You said Celine has 3.5 octaves range and Madonna has 4 octaves of vocal range ? Anyway, both are light years behind Whitney’s and Mariah’s.Whitney Houston’s and Mariah Carey’s vocal range are proved by their respective songs,not by biased links unlike Celine’s and Madonna’s.
    -Celine is completely unknown in many Asian countries !
    -Mariah is known in every European countries.She even surpass Celine in some of European countries ( Netherland).Moreover,Mariah has more impact on European artists than Celine as she has many European Artists that claimed her as her main influence !
    Celine doesn’t have any European artist that really claim her as main influence.She just collaborate in duet with many of mainstream singers ( II Divo , Charice , Garou,etc..) just to boost her career that decrease considerablely nowadays.Any of them never said Celine influence them.Anyone doesn’t notice any Celine’s influence on the singing style of these artists as any of them doesn’t use nasal belts in their songs.
    – The Voice is more popular than Celine in whole African continent ! Celine just got some success in South Africa more than MC.

    -Cultural Impact : the influence of English language
    has increased outside the nation’s borders,thanx to
    Mariah’s influence and success in Asia ( also everywhere worldwide ) .Mariah’s cultural impact worldwide is shown through the international music that rule everywhere worldwide .
    Her cultural impact is actually shown
    -by the fact that Mariah is the ultimate non-Asian artist there,selling English –language releases per million all around Asian countries.She’s the main English-language artist that made Asian people interested in English language.She’s also the one that had spread R&B/Hip-hop culture in Asia ,Latin America,Africa and in Europe.
    -Celine never bring French music all around the world,as French music sells only in Francophone countries.Just 3 or 5 non Francophone European countries buy francophone music.They are far to represent the whole world.
    -Mariah is richer than Celine according to her multiple sources of incomes.
    About what Lucky Luke said to the well-nicknamed liar “ Lies, lies , lies”,I have to say that your ignorance and your fanatism are unreachable.You even said Madonna has a wider vocal range than Whitney Houston ! Everyone see obviously who among you and me is the craziest fanatic !
    Mariah beat Celine on :
    -Vocal Range
    -Album sales
    -Singles sales
    – Influence
    -Legacy
    -Vocal skills and abilities
    -Worldwide popularity
    -Talent ( Writing , Composing, Producing).
    -Contribution on music.
    -Fortune
    -Worldwide cultural impact

    PS : Celine won only Best vocal performances on Grammy.The producers told her what to do and how to do everything so she doesn’t really deserve the others categories.She have them just because she sang the songs.

    -Grammy ,Oscars,etc,are not RECORDs ! The are awards ! What would record on that would be the artists having the most Grammy Awards and the most oscars ! You fail !
    True vocal records refers to the abilities and the capabilities of a voice,not to regular accolades it receive,sorry .

  23. The Reason says:

    @ TRISH

    – I think we posted our replies around the same time so

    I guess you didn’t read my latest comments (20/21).

    Anyway.LOOK octaves are not a grade ! It is not like

    when students are awarded for their hard work with high

    grades. It has to do with high or low notes. And yes

    Madonna has almost 4 octaves vocal range.

    That doesn’t make her a good singer because

    it doesn’t matter how many notes someone can hit.

    The issue is HOW these notes are hit. (Placement,breath

    control etc) And Madonna S U C K S.

    Mariah is not great just because of her range. She is

    AMAZING because of the WAY she hits all these notes from

    ALL the five octaves. So quit your bitching about the

    facts I bring,cause I don’t lie and I am not fanatic.I

    have been searching A LOT on vocal issues the past 2

    months.Little kids can reach the whistle register

    because of their thin screams,they are not good singers.

    Same goes for Madonna. I was shocked to find out she can

    reach some high notes. No comment on Christina.

    She strains notes from the 4th octave.PATHETIC.

    – Let’s Talk About Love is MILLON seller in Brazil.

    Celine has actually been awarded for her success in

    S.Amrica

    Here :

    celinedioncharts.com/reportsandawards.htm

    Just check her awards.

    Mariah sold less in Latin America. Quit posting lies

    PLEASE !Mariah is behind Celine in

    Mexico,Argntina,Brazil which are the major

    S.America markets.

    PLEASE CHECK SOME STUFF ON CELINE ! It is unbelievable

    that you claim to be a fan and post that LTAL sold 200k

    in Brazil -.-‘

    – I NEVER brought any link to prove Whitney’s range. You

    just don’t have a clue about music. Unfortunately. It is

    like I am talking to a wall. Whitney has slightly less

    range than Celine. Celine goes

    from Bb2 (low) – E6 (high) . Whitney goes from A2 (low)

    – C6. These are notes by the way and the numbers after

    the letter show the octave. Meaning Celine’s lowest

    note is from the 2nd octave and her highest at the 6th

    octave. —> 3.5 range. Whitney has 3.3 in studio and

    3.1 live. They are pretty close. Whitney goes 1 note

    lower than Celine and Celine goes 3 notes higer.

    Higher doesn’t mean more powerful or better.

    PLEASE get that straight in your mind.

    – ”Celine is completely unknown in many Asian countries !”

    LMAO ! Celine has number 1 albums in continental Asia and

    her latest tour visited many of these countries and of

    course sold out despite high prices. She is just not as

    popular as Mariah.

    I don’t know how many lies are left for you to create,

    really xD NEXT ->

    – Mariah suprassed Celine in Netherlands ? LMAO

    Huge LIE !

    – As of influence in Europe,no comment cause I said it

    all above.

    – ”Celine doesn’t have any European artist that really claim her as main influence.She just collaborate in duet with many of mainstream singers ( II Divo , Charice , Garou,etc..) just to boost her career that decrease considerablely nowadays.Any of them never said Celine influence them.Anyone doesn’t notice any Celine’s influence on the singing style of these artists as any of them doesn’t use nasal belts in their songs.”

    Is there any POISON left ? I am wondering…

    First,the artists that were influenced by Celine are

    mentioned. If you can’t swallow this,it is ok.

    Second,the artists you mentioned are not

    European. Third, Celine actually HELPED all these

    artists boost THEIR careers when they were UKNOWN. The

    duet with Garou (2001) occured at the height of her

    career, Charice was uknown and they never had a

    studio duet & Celine was on a sold out tour already ,II

    Divo also covered Celine’s songs such as ”Pour que tu

    m’aimes encore” so if you think that Celine needed Il

    Divo in 2005 to establish herself in Francophone

    markets you are misled. She was the best selling

    francophone artist since mid 90s and was awarded for

    that achievement.

    – ”The Voice is more popular than Celine in whole African continent ! Celine just got some success in South Africa more than MC.”

    Ok TRISH, you are out of control. Even Mariah’s best

    sellers didn’t reach top 5 there this decade. I happen

    to know Mariah’s sales in Africa and you lie big time.

    Celine started her Taking Chances tour in February 2008

    in Africa and it was announced she is the best selling

    artist there. African press confirmed it. You could

    just check the press conference. And I don’t even mention

    her sold out tours there.Even Taking Chances that was

    her worst seller this decade reached number 1 at

    S.Africa and went 2xP.A New Day Has Come also debuted at

    Number 1. Africa is not even debatable. Don’t try to

    seperate S.Africa from N.Africa cause you will only make

    me laugh. There is not specific music chart in N.Africa.

    You are already exposed for claiming Mariah

    has number 1s in Jamaica and Fidji Islands WHEN THERE IS

    NOT MUSIC CHART IN THESE PLACES !

    – On the DELIRIUM of Cultural Impact, I think you have a

    personal problem with me. What you wrote about Mariah’s

    cultural influence cannot be explained by any

    other way.You just hate me ! LOL ! English is the

    universal language. No artist will ever be credited for

    that. People in Asia learn English from young age, as

    everyone other race/ethicity does, so English

    are not uknown to them.

    – ”Celine never bring French music all around the world,as French music sells only in Francophone countries.Just 3 or 5 non Francophone European countries buy francophone music.They are far to represent the whole world.”

    Celine’s albums chart in Portugal,Spain,S.Africa,

    Italy,Germany,Greece,Cyprus,Japan,Uk,Netherlands,

    Sweden (ALL Europe)Agglophone Canada,Africa,Japan…even

    Hong Kong.I can bring you peak positions ANY TIME.

    Moreover everything you claim is insignificant because

    Celine has been awarded. Read comment 21..!

    And WATCH her movie : ”Celine:Through the eyes of the

    world” ! You’ll understand why I am saying this ;-)

    – Mariah is not richer than Celine. Deal with it. You

    made up FAKE sources such as income from her acting.

    FAIL .

    You also deleted Celine’s sources to albums and touring.

    FAIL

    You even tried to take down her parfumes when you said

    they were never awarded.

    Another FAIL. (850.000.000 $)

    New Info —> Celine gets 500k a night fo her new Vegas

    Show. she did 20 sold out shows and over 80.000 people

    paid high priced tickets —> 20 shows grossed

    14.000.000 $ :)

    – ”Celine won only Best vocal performances on Grammy.The producers told her what to do and how to do everything so she doesn’t really deserve the others categories.”

    Oh ! That is sweet FINALLY

    Unfortunately it is impossible to talk with you after

    these. You know nothing about Celine, about sales

    and nothing on music pedagogy. Only an ignorant would

    think that vocal range means better singer.

    This is the way you thought.

    Vocal range = better ability

    L.Luke said Madonna has more range than Whitney

    —> RESULT —> He means Madonna is better —> he is

    fanatic ! And like I said you couldn’t mention where you

    get your info on Nana , you couldn’t mention Mariah’s

    number 1s in Fidgi Islands ,Jamaica ,Heiti and couldn’t

    mention critics that panned Celine’s nasality, because

    all these are things you create. :)

    And of course you will never be able to prove Mariah’s

    supremency in Africa and L.America. All you can do is

    repeating the same lies over and over and over and over

    again. You are also really MANIPULATIVE. YOU said

    Celine’s french records are promoted and sold through

    Europe when you wanted to say that they are FLOPS.

    And NOW you implied that her french records are promoted

    ONLY in 2-3 francophone markets.

    C O N T R A D I C T I O N again. & Lack of knowledge.

    Stop acting like that and we are hopefully done,

    I promise :)))

  24. The Reason says:

    ”Celine won only Best vocal performances on Grammy.The producers told her what to do and how to do everything so she doesn’t really deserve the others categories.”

    Oh ! That is sweet <3 All Celine fans think just like

    that ! :D Well she deserved all her Grammy awards and

    even more as she is a good singer.

    - ''Grammy ,Oscars,etc,are not RECORDs ! The are awards ! What would record on that would be the artists having the most Grammy Awards and the most oscars ! You fail !''

    Maybe you shoudl define the word ''record'' or search

    it up on your dictionary. You mentioned awards and

    record and I replied. And actually Celine has a personal

    record as she is the artist that was asked to perform

    more times than any other artist at Grammy awards (6

    times) and Oscars (6 times).On top of that I mentioned

    the Grammy awards for VOCAL Perfomances and awards and

    as everyone knows Celine won awards and nominations for

    both her solo perfomances & her duets. Celine got

    awasrds for her talent back in the 80s. Too bad you

    don't have a clue. END OF STORY.

    And I didn't mention them to prove she is better than

    MC, I mentioned them because you asked for it. Simple.

    -------- Now your lies on certifications/sales ----------

    NETHERLANDS

    celinedioncharts.com/bycountry.htm#denmark

    mariahjournal.com/infozone/charts/albums/netherlands/index.shtml

    Celine sold 2.9m albums and MC 1.5m albums.

    Mariah recieved 13 Platinum certifications and 1 Gold.

    Celine recieved 17 Platinum certifications and 4 Gold

    and has many more releases there.Mariah has 4 number 1s

    albums there and 6 others to reach top 10. Celine has 6

    number 1 albums there and 7 others to reach top 10.

    Saying Mariah sold more shows who the fanatic is.

    BRAZIL

    Mariah's first certified album is Music Box that went

    Gold. (125k) Gold also are Number 1s and TEOM and

    E=MC2 and Memoirs. Rainbow and GH are Platinum.

    Here :

    mariahjournal.com/infozone/charts/albums/brazil/index.shtml

    I really don't know why you post these things on big

    music makets,saying MC is big in Brazil. She sold less

    than 1m copies there. (750k+)

    As of Celine,everything is clear but I don't mind

    proving you Celine's sales since you call her sales

    awards irrelevant. You even deny and reduce her

    certifications which is sad.

    Stop copy pasting answers cause it silly and proves

    your inablity to construct logic thought and articulate.

    Stop posting lies cause I am a bigger Mariah fan than

    you and know E V E R Y T H I N G on her. You still think

    I am a hater and that's all your weakness, because you

    post things/lies a hater would ignore. It would be easy

    to manipulate a hater but it is IMPOSSIBLE to manipulate

    a FAN. You have problems realizing that, but what the

    hell ! Someday, you'll see your lies on MC have no

    effect on me. I am sure you will. :)

  25. The Reason says:

    * Typing mistake -> 750k come from MC certifications in

    Brazil. Her actual sales stand at 1.2m there.

    mariahjournal.com/infozone/charts/albums/brazil/index.shtml

    This market is pretty much exact.

    The certification system there goes like that :

    Before 2001:

    * Gold = 100,000 shipped to retailers
    * Platinum = 250,000 shipped to retailers

    Since 2001:

    * Gold = 50,000 shipped to retailers
    * Platinum = 125,000 shipped to retailers

    Since 2006:

    * Gold = 30,000 shipped to retailers
    * Platinum = 60,000 shipped to retailers

  26. The Reason says:

    ”.She’s also the one that had spread R&B/Hip-hop culture in Asia ,Latin America,Africa and in Europe.”

    There is no such thing as ”Rnb culture”. Try rnb GENRE.

    I cannot spend time in this debate trying to educate you.

    It is sad that a 19 year olds girl posts so many dumb,

    irrational things that show lack of knowledge and

    inability to participate in an intellectual discussion.

    If Mariah or any other artist made a music genre popular

    in places around the globe, this is called ”musical

    impact” ,not cultural impact. And Mariah’s musical

    impact is known and cited 100 times in this

    fu**ing debate(1995 Fantasy remix blah blah blah).

    The fact whether Mrs Celine Dion is regarded as a

    cultural icon is not debatable,since countless awards,

    charts facts,peak positions,songs and touring give every

    answer needed.

    Awards :

    1) Medal of Arts and Letters

    From France’s Minister of Culture Recognizing Céline Dion’s Status as the Best Selling French-language Artist in History

    2) The Order of Canada 1997

    Appointed Officer of the Order of Canada for Outstanding Contribution to the World of Contemporary Music

    3) National Order of Quebec
    Appointed Officer of the National Order of Quebec for
    Outstanding Contribution

    4) Honorary degree 2008
    Honorary Doctorate in Music from the Université Laval
    in recognition of her extraordinary francophone career.

    5) Légion d’honneur by Prime Minister of France 2008

    india-server.com/news/celine-dion-receives-the-legion-of-1337.html

    B) Charts

    Album D’eux : Charted in Following NON-Francophone

    markets : UK (#7) , Japan (#50) , Sweeden (#9) ,

    Portugal (#2) , Eurochart (#3) , Germany , (#69)

    Denmark (#5) , New Zealand (#17). Even her lowest seller

    ”D’Elles” charted in non-francophone markets despite

    the fact it was only promoted by two Tv Specials : one

    in France and on in Quebec.

    Singles : French Singles To Chart At European Hot 100.

    Top 10 Hits

    Pour Que Tu M’Aimes Encore,Je Sais Pas,Tous Les

    Secrets,Tout L’or Des Hommes,S’il N’en Restait

    Qu’une,Sous Le Vent and many other top 20 hits.

    C) TOURS : Celine sang many French songs during her

    worldwide tours. (Pour que tu m’aimes encore,J’irai

    Ou Tu Iras,Je T’aime Encore,Le Ballet,Ce n’etait qu’un

    reve,S’il suffisait D’aimer). While visiting

    cities/countries/places worldwide such as :

    Johannesurg, Pretoria, Durban, Cape Town ,Port

    Elizabeth ,Dubai ,Tokyo ,Osaka ,Seoul ,Brisbane ,

    Melbourne, Sydney ,China ,Japan ,Shanghai ,Korea ,

    United States ,Continental Europe ,Agglophone Canada.

    D) Records in NON-francophone markets

    Yamaha Music Festival Awards
    Best Song “Tellement j’ai d’amour pour toi”

    Yamaha Symphony Orchestra Awards
    Best Artist

    Awarded in Japan for a francophone record in age 14.

    Eurovision Song Contest
    Grand Prix – “Ne partez pas sans moi”.

    All these are esablished facts. Not theories. When I

    use the word ”Facts”, I mean ”Facts”. It is

    silly using vocabulary you can’t comprehend or define

    (culture,nation,border) and even worse when this

    CHEAP vocabulary use is the result of the childish

    process of copy pasting my answers.

  27. The Reason says:

    Celine’s career is not in a decline.

    She sold 6m albums the past 5 years,grossed 280m dollars,

    sold 3m DVDs and has the biggest contract for a live

    entertainement show once again. She grossed 14 millions

    from 20 shows. Over 80.000 people attended her show.

    She is about to release new French album in late 2011,

    collaborating with Luc Plamondon and this project is

    expected to be a smash,like usual.

    If all these seem like a decline to you ,go to a doctor

    immediately.

  28. stop this haha says:

    Ok. These two singers are one of the best! They both have had AMAZING careers and have established themselves in the music industry but both have things the other don’t. Mariah Carey can hit higher notes than Celine but she can’t hold them. Celine Dion hits lower notes live but she can hold them forever. Personally I rather hear a LONG lower not than a short 4 second high note. In my opinion Celine Dion wins because of her success in making her songs popular all over the world especially her French songs because not of us don’t understand them but we still learn the lyrics ;D also even if she hasn’t sold the most records in a while but her talent and real emotions connect her to the fans more then say Whitney Houston or Mariah Carey can. But both are wonderful! If the actual singers don’t care who’s best why should the fans? Just enjoy the music!

  29. TRISH says:

    -@ Lucky Luke.Madonna has 4 octaves of vocal range ? Why not 5.2 octaves just like Mariah or more? This is so funny and so laughable.That’s prove how much your sources are reliables,everyone could judge the validity of your claims by this obvious lie.Of course,you surely got some links supporting this absurdity.What a shame !
    -Madonna’s vocal range is 1 octave ( Soubrette ). Christina Aguilera is one among the rare artists that have 4 octaves of vocal range.That’t why she can whistle ; she’s also considered as one of the greatest voices of the musical industry !
    -Let’s talk About Love sold 200 000 copies in Brazil,while Music Box sold over 750 000 copies there,outselling every Celine albums there !
    -Whitney’s The Bodyguard is the only English language album reaching million status in Brazil.
    -Mariah’s Music Box sells over 750 000 in Brazil,more than any album from Celine Dion.
    -Mariah is much more popular in Brazil and in the rest of Latin America than Celine.The Voice has number 1 Hits in Brazil since her debut in 1990. The only one popular song Celine got in Brazil is My Heart Will Go On since 1998, for her entire career.Mimi already have 7 number 1 hits there ! She’s popular in Latin America not in links,but in facts.
    -Wide vocal range determine the quality and the capability of voice.
    -You said Celine has 3.5 octaves range and Madonna has 4 octaves of vocal range ? Anyway, both are light years behind Whitney’s and Mariah’s.Whitney Houston’s and Mariah Carey’s vocal range are proved by their respective songs,not by biased links unlike Celine’s and Madonna’s.
    -Celine is completely unknown in many Asian countries !
    -Mariah is known in every European countries.She even surpass Celine in some of European countries ( Netherland).Moreover,Mariah has more impact on European artists than Celine as she has many European Artists that claimed her as her main influence !
    Celine doesn’t have any European artist that really claim her as main influence.She just collaborate in duet with many of mainstream singers ( II Divo , Charice , Garou,etc..) just to boost her career that decrease considerablely nowadays.Any of them never said Celine influence them.Anyone doesn’t notice any Celine’s influence on the singing style of these artists as any of them doesn’t use nasal belts in their songs.
    – The Voice is more popular than Celine in whole African continent ! Celine just got some success in South Africa more than MC.

    -Cultural Impact : the influence of English language
    has increased outside the nation’s borders,thanx to
    Mariah’s influence and success in Asia ( also everywhere worldwide ) .Mariah’s cultural impact worldwide is shown through the international music that rule everywhere worldwide .
    Her cultural impact is actually shown
    -by the fact that Mariah is the ultimate non-Asian artist there,selling English –language releases per million all around Asian countries.She’s the main English-language artist that made Asian people interested in English language.She’s also the one that had spread R&B/Hip-hop culture in Asia ,Latin America,Africa and in Europe.
    -Celine never bring French music all around the world,as French music sells only in Francophone countries.Just 3 or 5 non Francophone European countries buy francophone music.They are far to represent the whole world.
    -Mariah is richer than Celine according to her multiple sources of incomes.
    About what Lucky Luke said to the well-nicknamed liar “ Lies, lies , lies”,I have to say that your ignorance and your fanatism are unreachable.You even said Madonna has a wider vocal range than Whitney Houston ! Everyone see obviously who among you and me is the craziest fanatic !
    Mariah beat Celine on :
    -Vocal Range
    -Album sales
    -Singles sales
    – Influence
    -Legacy
    -Vocal skills and abilities
    -Worldwide popularity
    -Talent ( Writing , Composing, Producing).
    -Contribution on music.
    -Fortune
    -Worldwide cultural impactSorry,My posts are not up to date to yours.So I’ll reply to the last ones later.

  30. tane says:

    @trish…you are so right at what you claim! the range of Madonna is no where near 4 octaves!..if she was near 4 octaves she would be able to hit an A2 high note which she cant!

    and yes Mariah has way more influence than Celine Dion internationally and nationally being that again she has influenced beyonce, Christina aguilaer brittany spears etc…and Mariah even influences artist older then herself(shaka khan, patti labelle etc…)

    and its hard to deteremnine whos a bigger seller, where trish is right again…mariah has sold over 50 million albums in asia whereas Celine bearly reaches 20 million! and selling over 64 million albums in US where Celine just reaches around 54 million!

    @mandy you are right about some of those sales where but some of them are a bit exxagerated….but you prove whos a beter in you statements!

    trish you claim everything so effortlessly!

  31. Lies Lies Lies says:

    @TRISH
    What I meant, was that Mariah has to do what the singers of today are doing, which is to use her body to sell music. Of course Celine covers many songs. We all know that. But that has nothing to do with what I was talking about.
    Mariah-Best selling Female Artist
    Celine-Biggest Selling Female Artist of All Time
    BIG difference. Celine Has sold more records than any other female artist in the world.(Don’t tell me anything about Madonna, ’cause it’s not true and I don’t give a bull)
    Mariah sells records faster that Celine, but not neccessarily more than Celine.
    Seriously, not even one Mariah fanatic will believe your posts because it’s so far from reality. Just give it up and I promise I won’t post any more :) Have a nice day!

  32. tane says:

    @stop this haha and you say Mariah Carey can only sustain a 4 second high note? Mariah Carey sustained a 18 second high note and has sustained a 20 second belting note in the song lead the way! so if youd prefer to hear Celine Dion sustain low notes then Mariah sustaining 20 second long belting notes your idiocy is created by you!

    mariah is the queen of music no doubt!

  33. The Reason says:

    I think someone copy pasted TRISH answers so I don’t

    reply to these cause I already did. I can’t repeat same

    stuff because someone decided to ”copy paste”. LOL

    Just hilarious and ridiculous xD

    @ tane

    Open a music theory book. Madonna has almost the range

    I claimed. More range doesn’t mean better singer. The

    better singer is determined by vocal placement , breath

    control , rhythm , musicianship and so on. Madonna is a

    BAD singer no matter the little thin high notes she can

    reach.

    Second, we already said Mariah has more vocal influence

    and more musical influence. (Celine doesn’t have musical

    influence)

    It is a fact. So we move on.

    Thrid, you said Mariah sold 40m in Asia and now you

    posted 50m. Something is wrong with you. YOU Brought the

    link showing 35m sales in Asia for Mariah and we agreed

    that it PROBABLY reaches the 40m mark by now.

    Finally, Mariah only sustains notes in THE STUDIO. Not

    live. The only exception would be Vanishing in 1990. She

    never held the long note LIVE in Without you or Forever

    or Lead the way. Still these ”flaws” don’t make her a

    bad singer or sth. She is still amazing.

    Take my advice and think twice before you agree to the

    complete crappy non sense Trish posts. She is a hater

    with 0 knowledge on music and sales and on Celine in

    specific.

    ALL IN ALL

    Quit posting lies people. Enough is enough. You have no

    clue in music/vocal issues and you change the sales

    ”facts” all the time. Posting lies about Mariah

    doesn’t make her any better. She is already AMAZING with

    her REAL accomplishments.

    It is a big shame to contradict with certifications,

    awards and sources,but IT IS AN EVEN BIGGER SHAME

    AND EMBARASSEMENT TO CONTRADICT WITH YOURSELVES. #C Ya#

  34. The Reason says:

    @ tane

    Please watch this.

    youtube.com/watch?v=16nGam3AgNs

    Madonna can ”sing” the A5 note and every note up to

    A6 -.-‘

    Therefore you can use your ears objectively to see that

    this sound is annoying and bad ! She is a bad singer,

    having range means nothing unless you know how to use it.

    Hear Madonna hiting A5. It is awful.

  35. The Reason says:

    – This debate is to determine who singer has a more

    successful career. It is not a vocal debate.

    Even if we prove the one has a ”better voice” we still

    don’t prove anything on success, which is the real

    matter here.

    – Most successful career is determined by a combination

    of sales (albums,singles,tickets,dvd) , popularity ,

    income , legacy , impact.

    Fighting over skills is pretty much irrelevant to the

    topic AND NONE OF US HAS ENOUGH MUSIC KNOWLEDGE.

    EVEN IF proving the best vocalist is somehow relevant,

    talking about Madonna,Whitney,Beyonce,Aretha,Christina

    etc IS DEFINITELY IRRELEVANT.

    —> Conclusion —>

    – Stop fighting over nothing.

    – Bring sales facts to prove statements.

    * sales facts = awards or certifications or announcements

    or links or bio/label info and so on.

    NOT Estimations.

    Finally, stop contradicting with sources

    and yourselves cause it is pathetic.

  36. BUTTERFLY says:

    I post under this nickname cause the administrator doesn’t publish my posts under Trish nickname.
    @ SILLY LUCKY LUKE
    You attacked me first cause I was in both blogs ( Mariah Vs Celine and Top Selling Female Artist Madonna or Mariah) long time before you ! You integrated the Madonna Vs Mariah just to got the support of Madonna’s fans against lambs.I always discovered your intentions & tactics .You support Madonna’s fans to have their support for Celine against MC,coward ! Now,you admit yourself that you are not a Madonna fan.You manipulated Moff since the debut just for helping you ! Now,everybody notice how much you implore Lies Lies Lies to back up your lies ! “ Thank you,thank you,thank you”. – “Please STAY HERE, etc….”.” Are we you tube friends or sth ? :D
    Send me a message there please. Thanx. :)”.He behaves like a so much desperate and hopeless person !This is so pitiful !Lucky Luke said goodbye so many times,but in facts, he still there .Really,this blog is driving him crazy ! Hahaha !
    Lucky Luke say : “- I said Goodbye to end this debate BUT you came back
    many days after my final reply to post 6 huge posts
    featuring your lies. And as I said your lies, will always be exposed. “ This claim really proves how much the debate made you crazy ! “I said goodbye to END this debate “ ??? So,your own departure would mean the end of the debate ? Who are you ?Are you the administrator of this blog ? Did I integrated popdirt debates in your company ? You’re even not the one that started the debate .You started to posts many days after me ! Dear,I post my posts whenever I want ,this have nothing to do with you ! You keep yourself in the debate,not me,fool !
    You complain constantly that you’re done debating ,nevertheless you’re still here giving as an excuse my presence in the blog !!! OK,stay in the blogs,however you’ll can’t accuse me as the one that had drive you crazy.

    But anyway,I don’t care about what you think.These can’t change the fact that Mimi sold way more records than Celine !

    Lucky Luke said: “ Beyonce’s lower note is a B2.Celine’s is a Bb2.
    Do you even know what C6 , B2 , Bb2 is ? “ Really ? So ,Celine had already hit lower note than Beyonce’s at the end of Bills bills bills ? Sorry,her songs proves the opposite .Do you think that I don’t know what is it ? That’s why you put it here to confuse readers? Let me tell you that Celine NEVER, EVER hit a Bb2 note. I dare you to precise a Celine’s song in which she hit a deep note that Beyonce couldn’t ! ( Don’t lie by giving French songs or live songs that readers couldn’t verify on Youtube).LIAR ! Even Britney Spears beat Celine on deep notes ! Baby One More Times,I’m Not A Girl,I’m A Slave 4 U, You Drive Me Crazy,etc… Unlike you,I gave songs that everyone can verify.Hiding under techniques terminologies as “ B2,Bb2”,etc…is just a way to elude the ones that ignore technical language ,so that they couldn’t really judge by themselves the validity of your claim ! These ruses can’t make it with me,sorry.I’m too smart for that.
    Lucky Luke said : “if I was a
    parrot I would post here lies about Celine having 5
    octaves range. (Many sources claim so but it
    wrong.)” Anyway,who would swallow this crazy absurdity ? Just because it’s supported by a biased link,people would swallow it ? This is Celine’s songs that would prove she has 5 octaves ,not sources.Mariah’s wide vocal range is proved by her songs,not by sources .Otherwise,haters would always deny it ( some of them even try to deny the number of octaves she have,inspite of so many proves that back up MC’s exceptional vocal range ).As I never stopped to say,Sources lies ! They lie about sales,achievements,talents,etc…even about vocal range that is verifiable ! Celine has 2,7 octaves the very most.
    Celine never reach highest notes than Whitney in any song . The songs you cite ( Dans un autre monde live in TC & C6 notes in Love Can
    Move Mountains , Beauty And The Beast (Live in Memphis),etc… )Lucky Luke LIE !!!!!!!!!! I already listen to these performances,the high notes Celine reach in those performances are much lower than Whitney’s ! Whitney highest vocal notes surpass these Celine’s notes in many of her songs,specially How will I Know,So Emotional and I’m Every Woman .For the lowest notes,Whitney also beat Celine,sorry.Whitney’ highest note surpass Celine’s .
    -If you call Madonna’s weak vocal raise in Don’t cry For Me Argentina belt,which artist had never belt ? So every artists belts :Rihanna,Britney,Mary J,Pink.Katy Perry,Alicia Keys,etc… so you see that what you said about R&B singers and belts is just stupid.
    -Boyz 2 Men are vocalists in all means, whether you like them or not
    -Not all my claims are addressed to you,but only the ones that reply.to your lies.I post my posts independently of you.
    – “ I NEVER SAID CELINE IS BETTER THAN MC CAUSE SHE SINGS
    IN 2 DIFFERENT LANGUAGES. “ .You’re right, cause your IQ is lower than that.
    Moreover,Celine may sing in 6 different languages ,but she masters only 2 languages,not 6 ones.french and English are the languages she masters.MC had sing 1 song in Spanish language,and another one in Japanese.That’s doesn’t mean she “ regularly” sing in 3 different languages.Mariah had made Rap verses in Prisoner .By 1997 she said in an interview with RFI ( Radio France International ) that from her debut she had other songs she created in which she Rapped,but that her label didn’t allowed her to release them.
    About vocal records,the ones you cited for Celine are records relative to the number of performances at Grammy and Oscars,not vocal records !Performances records are not vocal records .
    -I don’t have to check the notes of Halo as I heard them on the song.I can say easily that Celine could never hit the lowest note hitted in this song cause I never heard Celine hit such low notes in any of her songs,no matter how this note is called technically.

    -Mariah has more income from her total albums sold than Celine !
    -You have to explain nothing since the link you posted about Celine’s Canadian sales lie itself !
    -Mariah sold 25 million albums in Japan and over 50 million albums for the whole Asian continent !
    -No facts prove Celine sold more records than The Voice ! Celine is far behind Mimi on albums and Singles sales worldwide !
    Lucky Luke said to me :” The fact that you copy past
    my answers all the time WILL NEVER BRING YOU TO MY LEVEL.” In what “LEVEL” do you talk about ? A level to use tricks,lies,biased sources and links to post in blogs? A level to implore other debater to helping you by lies and partialities ? A level to got the nerve for claim that Madonna surpass Whitney Houston on vocal range according to links ? You are right,I will never drop out in your level. I never use lies in my comments,neither tricks to got allies,neither implore whoever to helping me to prove anything.As all my arguments lies on real facts !
    Mariah’s Millennium Award is relevant for the whole last millennium,not just for the 1990 decade.Mariah Carey achieve in just 10 years what any female artist never did while the last 1000 years !
    Your delusional links and sources can biased facts,but they can’t change them !
    Mariah has more international Awards than Celine.She has The Chopard Diamond Award. The Legend award and more World Music Awards.
    Plus,Mariah has the Millennium Award over Celine ! Mariah won on international Awards !
    Celine’s Awards came after Mariah’s,because Celine reached Mariah’s level of success by late.It’s simple !
    I repeat that Celine is even not half popular Mariah is in Latin America ! You mention Awards for Celine’s popularity there? Since when Awards determin the popularity of artists for some continents and countries ? Mariah is popular there because they love her unreachable voice and her unique songs.She doesn’t have the need to try impress Latin American people by Spanish song,since she impose her very well in English song there ! Sorry,but Latin America belongs to Mimi.Celine doesn’t even close.
    Celine didn’t Magazine cover cause she’s not popular enough to boost Magazine sales with her image ! So,Magazine institutions didn’t interested by her.Do you see how many web page and blogs that talk about Mariah’s pregnancy ? Mariah’s pregnancy is much more mediatized even in Europe than Celine’s ! Nowadays,Celine and Madonna are relevant only for concerts !
    Mariah won the FUSE poll over all other female artists ! Nobody can’t deny that Mariah’s worldwide popularity increase more and more since the release of Merry Christmas II You that confirm Mimi’s voice still the better voice ever !
    Nowadays, Mariah is the most popular female artist on the planet ! THE VOICE IS BACK !
    At her debut in Quebec,Celine was impressive just to local wannabe artists.I don’t deny that Celine got some acceptable solo songs.But that doesn’t mean that she didn’t use the popularity of reputed and famous vocalists I cited to back up and boosted her own career.She won her first Grammy Award thanks to her duet with Peabo Bryson.
    Boyz II Men are vocalists in all means ! Bryan Adams isn’t a vocalist.He’s far from it !
    About Mariah’s Rap verses,just listen to Prisoner.Mariah said in an interview to RFI (Radio France International) in 1997,that she had many rap songs in her debut.But,they were all deleted because Tommy Mottola had prevent her to put these kind of songs in her albums.Since this time,she never continue to do it.
    About Halo,I refer to deep notes and vocal runs,not to high notes ! I know that Celine can hit higher and louder notes than Beyonce,I never deny it !
    I said Mariah has more number 1 Hits, Top 10 Hits, Top 40 Hits than Celine everywhere worldwide even for this decade.If you can prove the opposite,I await your answer !
    I don’t try to show Mariah is better “ because she was voted”,I proved that Mariah is better by her assets and achievements that I am never tired to repost ! Then I show Mimi is much more popular worldwide than Celine according to:
    – The FUSE Poll that she won over every other female artists !
    – The huge mediatization that Mimi has since The release of her second Christmas album by November 2010 till Now !
    – The Impact of her Anniversary day in every continents !
    – Her Baby Shower that had celebrate by many personalities and fans from more than 50 different countries !
    – The impressive amount of blogs and Forums that talk about Mariah’s pregnancy,achievements on Music,Skills,Records,etc…
    – All these are what is called FACTS ! I didn’t give any link nor source ,but I prove very well how much Mimi is the most popular artist in the whole world !
    – Maybe a few years later,there will be many links that will deny all these facts by saying Celine or Madonna was the most popular artists in 2011 because they made successful concerts and receive awards.Then increase their sales !
    – You are the one that try to say Celine is better just because of her concerts ! She doesn’t in facts,neither Madonna ! Mariah is much more popular than them nowadays even in Europe !

  37. Gambit says:

    Trish is right ! Lucky Luke dare say that Madonna has a wider vocal range than Whitney.It’s a LIE ! About long notes on stage,Mariah beat Celine by far.Just listen to Whenever You Call live at Australia (1998 solo version), Whenever You Call at New York with Brian McNight ! Listen on Emotions at MTV Awards (1991), Forever,Without You live at Madison Square Garden (1995),Mariah did what Celine never did since her debut till now.This is a waste a time trying to claim Celine hold longer notes live than Mariah.No one can beat Mariah in anything about vocal technique,skills,potential,breath,etc… Mariah beats.
    Everything Trish said about Mariah’s popularity it’s true ! She’s really the most popular female artist on earth.Trish is also right when she said that Mariah got way more assets than Celine.It’s obvious.
    About sales,Madonna surpass Mariah slightly.but Mariah has sold more than Celine.

  38. The Reason says:

    LOL ! The administrator should ban you actually.

    You are delusional because I first came here under

    nickname Lucky Luke, posted an answer and THEN got a

    reply from you. At the other debate we started fighting

    when you came out of nowhere 1 month after we had

    stopped fighting here. So I didn’t ever write a ”@

    TRISH” comment before you wrote a ”@ Lucky Luke”

    comment. I support the truth. And the truth is that

    Mariah is more talented than Madonna, yet

    sold less. Moreover stop complaing about the fact that

    I talk to other people since you do the same about lambs

    ”You are right in everything you claim” etc. The point

    of the debate is not mine or your popularity so that

    shouldn’t bother you at all. Moreover my points are

    clear and never changed by what others say.After these

    thanx for spending 2 paragraphs to diss me with your

    ghetto English.You are still delusional,

    you are still uneducated , you are still a pathetic

    excuse for a fan , you are still ignorant. And yes the

    big lies you post will be ALWAYS EXPOSED. Take it. I

    repeat it. YOU THOUGHT YOU WOULD RULE THIS DEBATE BY

    POSTING LIES UNDER DIFFERENT NICKNAMES AND NOW YOU ARE

    PISSED AND PRESSED I FIGURED OUT YOUR BULLSH** METHODS.

    Mariah sold more than Celine in your daydreams. In

    awards, media ,labels ,CERTIFICATIONS Celine is and will

    be ahead. You are not in position to talk about notes,

    since you have 0 knowledge. BITCH YOU PRETEND TO HAVE

    MADE OBJECTIVE RESULTS WHEN YOU HAVE 0 KNOWLEDGE IN

    MUSIC. CELINE’S RANGE IS PROVED BY HER SONGS and I

    showed you the songs. Now go learn about music, play the

    piano and see what Celine does, as I never posted a link

    in favour of Celine’s range. Higher notes ,don’t

    mean stronger notes. She used head voice during the end

    of these songs. She was at the 6th octave when she

    hugged Terry Bradoford at the end of the ”Beauty and

    the beast” duet and did ” Beauty and the BE E

    AAAAAST” with a soft voice. The fact that you don’t

    know about notes and music doesn’t make ME manipulative.

    The lower Bb2 note Celine hit is the introduction of

    ”New Dawn”. On live perfomances her lowest is a B2 in

    ”Have you ever been in love” live perfomances of 2003.

    Surprisingly you were right on Beyonce’s range. It is

    Bb2-F6 which means she actually goes one note higher

    than Celine. You said the opposite but no big deal. As

    of high notes Celine reaches C6 and you can see it at

    the ”Let’s Talk About Love” recording sessions when

    she warms up her voice, or at the end of ”Call The

    Man” . Here is the video.

    youtube.com/watch?v=vyPDSpL8M2k

    As of belting ability every artist has belts. That

    proves nothing. Like you said many of them are weak so

    they shouldn’t be pointed out as singing.

    On Whitney : youtube.com/watch?v=Aca37wT1b2s

    These are the notes she hit.

    Finally, if Celine doesn’t have vocal records neither

    does Mariah. The fact that YOU consider online polls

    reliable enough shows your intelligence level and your

    tendency to manipulate facts. Moreover, I don’t even

    know why we talk about vocals since this is a debate

    about success. (Sales,Legacy,Impact,Popularity). No

    matter whether Celine is better or worse, the only

    relevant to this debate point that can be made about

    ”vocal issues” is that MC has a bigger vocal influence,

    which is stated long ago here. So I think it is time to

    stop talking about vocals, since that part of debate has

    actually stopped.

    Now on sales : you post :

    ”-Mariah has more income from her total albums sold than Celine !
    -You have to explain nothing since the link you posted about Celine’s Canadian sales lie itself !
    -Mariah sold 25 million albums in Japan and over 50 million albums for the whole Asian continent !
    -No facts prove Celine sold more records than The Voice ! Celine is far behind Mimi on albums and Singles sales worldwide !”

    All these should be proven by you.Sorry. This is what we

    do here. We try to prove what we say. No source proves

    your lies. You will never be to the level of talking and

    explaining by real facts.You can’t articulate

    properly and then you tend to copy paste answers. So

    yes, I am not to the level of a girl that makes so many

    grammar mistakes while talking trash, and I am not the

    level of a girl that can’t prove her statements. You

    mention your opinion and call it a fact. Pathetic.

    And don’t play the ”I don’t know English” card again.

    Write in French if you want. I bet you are that

    uneducated in all the ”15 languages” you talk. LMAO

    All Mariah’s awards you mention come from the 90s. Celine

    has less World Music Awards but more recent, so she tops

    MC. Celine has been awarded in every music for her

    sales. You are that dumb to post as an argument that

    Mariah is popular in L.America because they

    love her unreachable voice and her unique songs. Wow

    what an argument. How am I going to despute that ? Still

    she doesn’t have HALF the certifications ,rave reviews

    and awards Celine has. Sit down now. You also have the

    nerve to say Celine is not popular. Funny how you still

    use silly polls and magazines to support your opinion.

    Celine doesn’t need any of that to prove she is more

    popular in Canada, Europe ,Oceania and Africa and

    L.America,as her records sales and tour demand

    say everything. Even if we talk about polls she even won

    a poll in Us which is not her strong market. (Harris

    Poll. Funny how Celine beats MC in tours and ticket

    sales even in Us and Asia. Neither Mariah, nor Celine

    or Madonna are the most popular artists right now. You

    have been 1 year in this debate and still don’t know how

    to debate properly. You claim like a little kid that

    Mariah has more number 1 Hits, Top 10 Hits,

    Top 40 Hits than Celine everywhere worldwide even for

    this decade.If you can prove the opposite,I await your

    answer ! No dumb girl. First you prove what you say and

    THEN I try to despute it. I won’t prove anything

    opposite only because you posted something.

    On popularity

    ”But that doesn’t mean that she didn’t use the popularity of reputed and famous vocalists I cited to back up and boosted her own career.”

    No Clive Griffin , no Charice , no Garou , no Il Divo

    were popular. So the artists you cited and then called

    them popular shows how much you fail. The only time

    Celine needed duets was before her low budget debut

    album Unison in order to raise money for the budget

    and I don’t see anything wrong in this. As everyone knows

    Celine didn’t have anything ready in terms of promotion.

    Moreover, everything you mentioned shows MC is more

    mainstream and we know that already. Celine Dion has a

    different fan base than MC. MC fan base is all over

    internet as it consists of younger people, while Celine

    has a more adult fan base. Your delirium leads to post

    nonsense such Mariah being more popular in Europe. This

    is right. She is more popular there because she sold 30m

    albums less, 20m singles less , and her tours hardly

    ever sell out. Based on that thought Celine must be more

    popular in Asia, as she sold less…oh ! but wait ! this

    can’t be as her tours are more successful there.Ooops..!

    Celine has made way more TV appearance than MC on every

    big show in Us and Europe (Oprah = record 27 times ,

    Larry King , Letterman , Star Academy etc).

    Why would ANYONE care if people attended Mariah’s baby

    Shower ? Did they pay any money ? People travel all

    around the world to see Celine in Las Vegas

    (China,Africa,Australia,Ireland,Italy) and pay

    high prised tickets ranging from 55-250 dollars but how

    could this effect affect your little brain. Celine Dion

    has a huge amount of sites that talk about her. I could

    site six pages that exist in my country, which is not

    even her big market. All in all Mariah can show off her

    popularity by cheap mathods (Attendance with

    no tickets, digital downloads , pressing ”Mariah” on

    polls FOR FREE).Celine shows how popular she is, since

    her fans and no-fans do everything they can to feel her

    presence and listen to her beautiful voice. When Mariah

    manages to have a stike of sold out shows you will see

    what REAL popularity and REAL PUBLIC DEMAND is about.

    Till then you will be hiting you fat ass on the ground

    trying to prove theories that don’t exist such as

    Mariah’s popularity in Europe. FAIL ! FAIL ! FAIL !

    @ Gabmit (LOL) Go back to your trailer park. Learn

    about music and see what I posted before. And Celine

    held 16 seconds the ”I Surrender”final note at age 39.

    ”I Surrender all to you babeeeeeeeeeeeeee”.

    No big deal.

    @ All of you

    Go find real arguments to despute me. You all fail. You

    just repeat things, thinking you will top my opinion by

    that. Babbling bullsh** on issues you don’t know make

    you all look bordeline retarded. Saying something is a

    lie while you are UNABLE to prove what is right proves

    your INFERIORITY.

    PS ” As I never stopped to say,Sources lies ! They lie

    about sales,achievements,talents,etc”

    If sources are not to be trusted then your delirium and

    fake album sales estimations you have been posting

    are not to be trusted either.

    # FAIL #

  39. The Reason says:

    & And like I said before NO PROOF on Mariah’s FAKE

    Number 1s in Jamaica, Heiti, Costa Rica, Fidji Islands.

    # FAIL !

    NO PROOF on Critics that panned Celine’s nasality.

    # FAIL !

    NO PROOF on sources about Nana’s albums.

    # FAIL !

    FAILURE , Stupidity and Total Embarrassment.

  40. Mandy says:

    Please,Mariah albums sales surpass 175 million .Even Wikipedia admit it in their lists of the best selling artists of all times .her singles sales surpass definitely 70 million.She’s as much rich as Celine cause she surpassed her in the 90’s.Forbes began to show and rank the top earners only by 1999,that’s why Mariah hadn’t top his lists.
    can someone tell me in what song did Madonna’s voice had reach the A5 note and the notes up to A6 ?

  41. The Reason says:

    @ Mandy

    Here : youtube.com/watch?v=PiESAtYXlQE

    She actually goes higher than A5, but sounds awful.

    – IF you want us to trust Wikipedia then we should follow

    that Celine sold over 200m albums.

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celine_Dion

    – Mariah’s singles are at 55m. Not more. They are

    detailed on every of her sites. I want to see facts

    proving MC sold 70m worldwide. If you can’t bring facts

    let it go. And I don’t care if you don’t trust her fan

    sites.

    – Forbes list in 2007 counted income from the course of

    their careers. It was not about the year 2007. And

    let’s not even discuss who made more money from 2007

    till today. You can search stuff on Celine to see her

    real sources that are not limited to albums and tours

    like the weird insect said.

  42. BUTTERFLY says:

    My French posts are all adressed to Lucky Luke,as he said that I should write in French language cause my English havd too much grammatical mistakes and is “Ghetto “ .So, he’ll answer to me in French language if he dare !
    @Lucky Luke : T’as pas a ricaner du fait que mes commentaires ne soient plus acceptes sous le surnom de TRISH puisque tu es toi-meme oblige de poster les tiens sous le surnom de UNISON depuis plus d’un mois avant moi.
    Notre prise de gueule a pris fin ici quand tu t’es inserre dans l’autre debat comme un parfait ignoble,t’alliant a Moff et Shutup contre moi.Un blog de discusiion reste un blog de discussion,du moment que t’as essaye d’imposer Celine juste après Madonna tu m’avais encore provoque en tant que fan de MC puisque le blog n’incluait pas Celine du tout.T’es un sacre cretin,pas assez fute pour te mesurer avec moi.T’as flippe dans le blog de Celine et ensuite t’es alle chercher du renfort dans celui de Madonna pretextant de te faire passer pour un de ses fans.Y’a pas plus chiant que toi !
    Oui,comme le fait tout le monde ici,j’ai déjà avoue a certains participants qu’ils ont raison lorsqu’ils apportent un argument base sur des faits.Mais cela n’a rien a voir avec tes supplications et tes demandes sans equivoques en vue de trouver un allie pour t’aider det te soutenir dans tes mensonges et dans tes saloperies de liens et sources.T’es un ptit merdeux Lucky ,rien du mec qui en a dans cervelle.
    Mon anglais de banlieue ? Pardon,mais tu te gourres mon loulou.J’ai jamais vecu en banlieue de toute ma vie.Par ailleurs, cela ne voudrait rien dire quant aux idees vehiculees ici.Les personnes vivant en banlieue n’ont rien a envier aux tares de ton genre.
    Tu me traite d’ineduquee quand toi tu fais preuve d’immaturite et d’obsession.Tu souffre d’une pathologie grave mon grand.Tu ne detiens pas meme un centieme de ce que je sais.Le seul ignorant ici c’est toi.
    Tu esperais que tout le monde avalerait tes saloperies de liens sans meme les remettre en question? Pour qui tu te prend ?
    Mariah est a des annees lumieres de Celine en ce qui a trait au talent et au success.Celine ne lui arrive meme pas a la cheville !
    Comme tu le sais toi-meme,quasiment tous les Prix gagnes par Dion n’ont rien a voir avec ses reels accomplissements,ils reposent tous sur des donnees inventees et sont donc invalides.
    Concernant ses certifications de vente,quasi la moitie reposent sur des ventes fantomes,notamment en Europe.
    Ce que je sais de la musique ne provient pas principalement de liens internet contrairement a toi espece de ptit branleur !Je ne vais pas te reveler mes sources,navree !Je ne compte pas partager avec les ptits merdeux.
    Tu mens avec l’allegresse d’un poete en postant tes mensonges sur les aptitudes vocales de Celine et de Madonna.Aucune des deux ne depassent deux octaves et demi. Au sujet de Madonna, tout le monde ici decouvre a quel point tu es un menteur debile quant tu insiste qu’elle depasse Whitney en registre vocal et en nombre d’octaves ! Avec pour tout support et argument ,un minable lien Youtube.Penses-tu vraiment qu’une ridicule banalite postee sur YouTube prouverait ce que plus de 20 albums n’ont jamais prouve ?? Quelle honte !
    S’il est vrai que Madonna possederait quatre octaves mais ne peut les exploiter faute de technique,cela sous-entendrait que les enfants de moins de cinq ans maitrisent beaucoup mieux leur voix et ont beaucoup plus de techniques et controle que Madonna et Celine reunies en ce qui a trait aux techniques vocales ? Puisque les enfants emettent des notes atteignant les aigus et le registre sifflet (comme Mariah Carey ) sans meme s’en rendre compte. Quelle paradoxe !
    Ecoute moi ecervele de branleur ! Le registre sifflet commence a partir de trois octaves et demi. A partir de trois octaves de registre vocal,n’importe qui peut chanter des notes tres aigus comme Whitney Houston “ The Land Of The Freeee…” ,a la fin de “ So Emotional “dans L’hymne National Americain The Star Spangled Banner “.Dans toute sa carriere de chanteuse,Celine n’a jamais atteint une note aussi aigue,que ce soit sur scene ou en studio ! Encore moins que les notes tres elevees de Whitney dans “I’m Every Woman”,” If You Say My Eyes Are Beautiful “,…etc… Pas besoin de liens pour le savoir,car les personnes creant les liens donnent leur propre interpretations des musiques contrairement a nos Oreilles qui ne peuvent mentir et qui constituent l’appareil de mesure le plus fiable.
    Concernant Celine tenant une note de 16 secondes sur scene,c’est rien du tout.Celine peut donner une tres longue note en vocalisant sur un mot,ce qui est fres facile.Mais SEULE Mariah Carey ( ensuite (Whitney) peut maitriser sans souffler ,pour CHANTER des notes vocales tres eleves et tres haut-perches ,tres rapprochees les unes des autres sans prendre de pause . Celine ne peut donner de telles prestations ,pas meme dans ses reves !
    Il y a une tres grande difference entre VOCALISER et CHANTER.Mariah et Whitney ne font pas que vocaliser sur des mots contrairement a Celine.Elles CHANTENT leurs notes surelevees.Pas seulement tenir de tres longues notes . Tenir une note de tres longues notes n’est pas si impressionant face a Chanter plusieurs couplets sur des notes SURELEVEES ! Mariah est unique et inegalable quant aux techniques vocales et de chanson !
    Mimi est beaucoup plus populaire que Celine dans le monde entier !
    Oui Mariah est plus populaire que Celine en Amerique du Sud parce que sa musique se vend mieux que celle de Celine et y est bien plus appreciee que celle de Celine ! Ses nombreux numero un et Top dix en sont la preuve tangible !
    Je repete que Celine a du succes seulement en tournee ,cela n’implique pas qu’elle soit aussi populaire que “La Voix “ !
    Le Harris poll n’etait pas vraiment fiable puisqu’en aucun cas Celine ne saurait battre des legends telles que : Elvis Presley,Michael Jackson,Mariah Carey,Whitney Houston et meme Madonna aux Etats-Unis. Rien ne le prouve,seuls les concerts a Las Vegas ne donnent pas force a cet argument.Celine n’a meme pas un Hit numero un aux Etats-Unis pendant l’entiere decennia 2000.En quoi serait-elle plus populaire au juste ?
    Par ailleurs, le sondage d’Harris concernait seulement le territoire americain contrairement a celui de FUSE qui concerne le monde entier !
    Au sujet des Hits cumules pour la decennie 2000.

    Celine’s Top 20 Hits at 2000-2010 in Hot 100 Charts
    – I Want You To Need Me (# 1 in Canada )
    – Sous Le Vent ( # 1 France , # 1 Belgium )
    – A New Day Has Come ( #2 Canada, #2 Switzerland, # 7 UK, # 6 Germany,# 13 Belgium, # 19 Australia )
    – I’m Alive (#2 Belgium ,#4 Germany,#7 france, #7 Switzerland,#17 UK)
    – I Drove All Night (#1 Canada,#18 Belgium,#11 Switzerland)
    – Tout L’or Des Hommes (#2 Canada, #5 Belgium,#3 France,# 10 Switzerland)
    – Je T’aime Encore ( #14 France,# 16 Germany)
    – Je Ne Vous Oublie Pas (#4 Belgium, #2 France)
    – Tous Les Secrets (#20 France)
    – S’il N’en Restait Qu’une ( # 4 Belgium, #1 France)
    – Taking Chances (#9 Canada,#7 France,# 5 Switzerland)

    Total # ones Hits : 5
    Total Top 10 Hits : 17
    Total Top 20 Hits : 9

    TOTAL : Top 20 Hits : 31
    Celine has ZERO Top 20 Hit in US Chart for the whole 2000 decade !

    Mariah’s Top 20 Hits at 2000 – 2010 :
    -Against All Odds : (# 1 UK,#18 France,#20 Switzerland)
    -Thank God I Found You ( #1 US, #2 Canada,#17 Switzerland)
    -Loverboy (#1 Japan,#2 US, #7 Australia, #3 Canada, #12 UK )

    -Through The Rain ( #1 Spain, # 5 Canada,#7 Switzerland,#8 UK, #11 Netherland,#1 Phillipines, #15 Australia, #7 Italia )
    -Boy I Need You (#17 UK)
    -Bringin On The Heartbreak (#1 Phillipines)
    -I Know What You Want (#1 Romania,#3 US,#3 Australia,#3 UK,#5 Canada,#9Germany,#4 Netherland,#7 New Zealand,#5 Switzerland,#8 Belgium,#7 Danemark,#2 Hungary,#4 Ireland,#4 Italia, #6 Norgevian,#11 Sweden)
    -Lil’ Love (#6 New Zealand)
    -It’s Like That ( #1 Japan,#1 China,#1 Cyprus,#3 Hungaria,#11 Ireland,#7 Italia,#13 Norgegian ,# 16 US, #4 UK,# 9 Australia, #16 France,#14 Germany,#1 Israel, #10 Switzerland, #19 Danish,#13 Netherland)
    -We Belong Together (#1 US,#1 Australia, #12 France,#11 Germany,#2 Netherland,#4 Switzerland)
    -Shake It Off (#2 US,#6 Australia, #9 UK, #5 New Zealand )
    -Get Your Number ( #9 UK,# 19 Australia ,#7 Germany, #10 Netherland,#14 Switzerland)
    -Don’t Forget About us (#1 US,#11 UK,#12 Australia, #12 New Zealand,# 19 Switzerland )
    -Touch My Body ( #1 US, # 5 UK, #17 Australia, #2 Canada,#16 France,#6 Germany,#14 Netherland,#3 New Zealand,#3 Switzerland)
    -Bye Bye ( #19 US, #7 New Zealand)
    -Obsessed ( #7 US, # 13 Australia,#15 Canada,# 8 France)
    -I Want To Know What Love Is (#1 Brazil,#3 Japan,#14 Danemark, #6 France, #6 Hungary,#19 UK )

    Total of number 1 Hits: 15
    Total of Top 10 Hits : 46
    Total of Top 20 Hits : 33
    TOTAL of Top 20 Hits : 94
    SO, MARIAH CAREY GOT MORE THAN 3 TIMES CELINE’S TOP 20 HITS WORLDWIDE.
    MIMI GOT MUCH MORE HITS EVEN IN 2000 DECADE THAN CELINE WORLDWIDE !

  43. The Reason says:

    @ Gutterfly

    Wow ! You are that dumb in your native language as well.

    I had to translate some of the words you used, cause

    I didn’t know the meaning and even Google or a dictionary

    couldn’t help me.

    I WILL BE CLEAR : TAKE NOTE

    FIRST

    Get over the whole nickname games I played after I

    understood what you did. Moreover get over the thought

    that I was somehow affected by what others said and

    therefore ”needed” people to support me. And I am not

    a Madonna fan at all, I just like some of her songs. As

    of mental problems nobody touches you since you are the

    person to claim falsified Mariah facts again again and

    again and then being unable to prove them. (Number 1s

    Jamaica, Selling 200m by country when your sales showed

    160m+,15m DVDs in Us and so on). Sorry, I can’t look

    worse than that even if I tried. On top of that you have

    been making a fool of yourself by contradicting on the

    Celine myths you claimed. (Over 145m by 2003 and then

    below 130m by 2003 and so on)

    SECOND

    No explanation why my links are biased. The fact that

    they show Celine above Mariah is not enough. FAIL

    THIRD

    ”Mariah est a des annees lumieres de Celine en ce qui a trait au talent et au success.”

    —> Bitch, this is the topic of the debate. Don’t

    repeat it. This is what is needed to be proven by facts.

    Repeating Something = FAIL

    FOURTH

    I am done talking on vocals etc cause you know sh**.

    Mariah has more vocal influence and this is what matters

    for that debate, since we talk about success. Anything

    else on Celine’s range is pure FAIL.

    FIFTH

    I love how you deny all the awards and accolades the

    Queen recieved. You deny her Grammy, her World Music

    Award, her accolades by the Prime Minister of France,

    her awards and impact on entertainement and so on.

    On top of these you trust ONLINE POLLS where a kid could

    press ”Mariah Carey” FOR FREE many times based on how

    many e-mails he/she has. -.-‘

    How dumb.How FAIL !

    SIXTH

    I didn’t see Mariah Number 1s from Jamaica,Heiti,Fidji

    Islands. FAIL

    I didn’t see the music experts that panned Celine’s

    nasality. FAIL

    I didn’t see where you searched Nana’s sales. FAIL

    Stay pressed dumb insect..!

  44. LuckyLuke says:

    Your singles list made me laugh. It is ridiculous how

    you took into account N.Zeland and China and Cyprus and

    ”forgot” Eurochart and United World Chart. Even Quebec

    is bigger than N.Zeland where a single is platinum for

    selling the ridiculous amount of 10.000 copies and 5.000

    for gold. Once again you proved how reliable you are.

    FAIL

    You mentioned HALF Celine singles and avoided mentioning

    Mariah’s countless FLOPS (Bringing on the heartbreak,

    Up out my face,Hateu,Angels Cry,Fly Like A Bird and so

    on).

    FAIL

    ”Celine has a 2.7 octave range.”

    Ok dumb cow…Since you insist and since you seem so

    sure about that…I dare your fake ass to tell me which

    notes EXACTLY are these that make her range 2.7 octaves

    IN SPECIFIC. LMAO !

    You won’t be able to answer that…Like you couldn’t

    reply to the previous B U L L C R A P you posted.

    So—> FAIL !

    Stay pressed crazy bitch. <3

  45. The Reason says:

    BIGGEST FAIL AND PARODY = FUSE POLL

    ”Congratulations everyone! Thanks to your votes, Mariah advanced to the final round and is now up against Fergie in FUSE’s “Battle of the Fans: Which Diva Has The Best Fans?” poll.Cast your votes NOW! Mariah is currently trailing behind with 39.59%.”

    Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha !

    So Fergie must be the most popular singer worldwide

    according to this reliable online poll ! Ha Ha Ha !

    Or the 2nd one if she loses to MC. Great Poll..!

    Should I mention that BIG FEMALE NAMES of the industry

    were not even ”nominated” ? ? ?

    LMAO ! What a parody ! What a FAIL !

    somariahcarey.com/celebritynews/mariah-final-round-fuses-poll-vote

    And all that by voting FOR FREE ! LOL ! I even voted

    MC twice. She must be the most popular then in my

    neighbourhood. xD

    Thank God REAL FANS actually buy albums ,dvds and

    tickets to concerts and everything related to the artist

    (soundtrack,parfumes and so on). Mariah’s popularity

    is in decline since early 00’s. She had one good moment

    in 2005 and after that no success at albums, DVDs or

    concerts. At least Celine’s lower seller is certified

    gold,platinum or multiplatinum at all important markets,

    her tour/show demand is unreachable and she sold more

    copies of DVDS in 2010 than Mariah did with her ALBUMS.

    And that with 0 promotion, while Mariah had to give

    3-4 interviews on big Us chanels. Celine did NOTHING.

    Yet she sold !

    As of the Harris Poll back in 2009 Celine had to

    compete with REAL LEGENDS such as U2, MJ , Elvis

    , The Beatles and she took the all down. Nobody would

    compare Celine with mainstream trash such as Katty Perry

    and Fergie.

    Celine is in a class of her own. On another LEVEL.

    She even suprassed Elvis and Sinatra in terms of

    popularity/impact on entertainment live shows. No other

    artist ever managed to leave that impact on a whole CITY

    before, even affecting the economy state.

    FINALLY to reply to the magazines B U L L C R A P about

    Celine being irrelevant to magazines :

    “Dion isn’t here to perform. She’s here to kill it. Again… she isn’t aiming for applause. She’s looking for rapture.” – USA Today

    “A magnificent masterpiece! Celine has singlehandedly redefined class and elegance in onstage performances. Her voice is sent from the angels.” – Las Vegas Sun

    “Dion magnificent in new Las Vegas show….One hell of a show!…Jaw-dropping…Grandiose, yet intimate…Pure entertainment of the highest order…Worth every penny!! – Montreal Gazette

    “It’s the show of shows, and may not be matched in Las Vegas for a long time!” – Las Vegas Review-Journal

    “Celine Dion’s Vegas show more spectacular than ever! If her last show sold out for five years, this one should make it for ten.” – Toronto Star

    Celine is Las Vegas’ “biggest act since Elvis.” – Newsw

    ”Celine Dion made a triumphant return to the stage of The Colosseum at Caesars Palace and became the Number #1 show in North America according to Billboard Magazine’s BOXSCORE listings.”

    ftnnews.com/accommodation/12409-celine-dion-made-a-triumphant-return-to-the-stage-of-the-colosseum-at-caesars-palace.html

    & Hello , France Dimanche Covers

    Not to mention how many interviews and cover magazines

    she did back in 2001/2002 with her son, after her

    pregnancy.

    And that’s just a bonus :

    youtube.com/watch?v=2yuHC1TZBwU

    FIRST we do some REAL research and THEN we post comments.

  46. PEACE says:

    Honestly,I love both Mariah Carey and Celine Dion.I think that Trish and Lucky Luke are both crazy cause they fight about these legends since many months.
    It’s obvious that Mariah is most talented than Celine,but Celine is more humorist…Lol ! Both are great ! Please Trish,Please Lucky Luke,STOP this stupid war ! You become seriously fool … Lol ! Let’s say that both Celine and Mariah are equal to stop this feud ok ? Trish and Lucky Luke don’t reply anymore,don’t post comments in this blog,take advantage of the life ! You both are very smart and very great debaters,but it’s time to say goodbye. Peace everyone,I love you all !

  47. The Reason says:

    @ POST 46 (PEACE)

    I agree with you.

    I know Mariah equals Celine and the opposite and

    EVERYONE can read this at post 15. Post 15 in my CLEAR

    opinion on both ladies. I gave MC credit for

    musical and vocal impact and musicianship & Singles.

    *Musicianship = Compose,Songwriting,Producing.

    Am I hater for giving Celine credit for cultural and

    entertainement impact ? ? ?

    The whole thing is that I just can’t stand mean people.

    When I read that Celine fills stadiums because she

    is a CLOWN, I have to reply. Same thing happens

    when I read mean things on Celine’s voice,

    and appearance. (ROBOT,NASAL,UGLY,THE NOSE)

    I don’t know why someone should have so much hatred in

    their souls to call all the accomplishments and awards

    of an artist Irrelevant,Biased and Crap.

    I can deal with people considering MC the best seller

    for a sales difference of like 10m or 20m records, cause

    this is their opinion. But Mariah being ahead of Celine

    for around 100m records ? Gimme a break, LOL .

    These comments are posted just to provoke. Read my

    replies to see I am civil towards MC.

    I am not crazy. I am pissed by rude,ignorant people that

    have a little brain & big mouth.

    Worst Combination.

  48. stop this haha says:

    @tane I didn’t mean she just holds 4 second notes. Its just Celine can hold her notes way longer than most female singers. And if I can hear a note that’s held for 30 or 40 seconds is better than a 14 second high note. But all this fighting is stupid and you guys need to grow up and do something else with your lives -_-

  49. tane says:

    @stop this haha: and yet you continue to argue:/

  50. stop this haha says:

    @tane well I’m not arguing I’m saying it calmly. I don’t know how people here read the comments so…

  51. Mandy says:

    Sorry,Madonna has 1,5 octaves of vocal range according to the vocals in her albums .She’s known as a soubrette there are some songs,not many that Madonna shows her talent.She has some ability to cross-over the R&B appeal ( classified as a soubrette ).
    Check this : world 4 Madonna .com Madonna ,biography,height,age,birthday,life,children,career…

  52. The Reason says:

    So you have heard ALL the albums ? Why do you have a

    problem realising what is real and what is fake ? Why

    do you have a problem accepting the truth as it is ?

    Madonna can just hit high notes, she can’t sing them so

    she is a bad singer no matter what. Actually I hardly

    believe that the 1.5 octaves you mention are the only

    notes she sounds decent. So if we take it that way, yes

    Madonna must have 1.5 octaves range.

    What I was trying to say is that vocal range in general

    is not an argument to support an artist.

    Of course Mariah’s insane range AND her ability to

    SING all these notes make her amazing.

    The vocal discussion is over. It is a FACT Mariah

    influenced many young artists and this is what matters.

    All in all, Celine and Mariah are both great, both

    legends. Both have their pros and cons in

    vocals,sales,lifes,skills and so on, so give them a

    rest.

    Take care everyone.

  53. Mandy says:

    OK,I agree.

  54. CELINE & MARIAH FOREVEEEEER says:

    PS:Mariah influenced not only young artists precisely.(Backstreet Boys,Beyonce, Chaka Khan,Patti Labelle,Christina Aguilera,Justin Timberlake,etc… are not young artists.but I agree with you Lucky Luke, no comments anymore,Celine and Mariah are both very great.Both are almost the same anniversary day,both have twins,both are great vocalists,both are exceptional sellers,etc…About Madonna,let’s don’t mention her anymore in this debate.Peace everyone !

  55. CELINE 2011 says:

    This Year!! I think if we compare their voice and performances..,Celine is the best!! Nothing change since from the beginning..,

    While Mariah totally lost her voice and her songs are digitally manipulated..,

    let’s accept the truth and the fact!!

  56. BUTTERFLY says:

    @CELINE 2011.And blablabla….”Celine is the best” in what exactly? In clown around in front of million people on stage? In releasing “nasal emotions”? In which performance Celine surpass Mariah’s ? At the circus ?
    You already claim these kind of delirium before the release of her incredible Christmas album.
    You said that Mariah’s voice is digitally manipulated? You just forget that Celine is entirely manipulated,not just her nasal voice.Celine is a puppet,not a real artist.Don’t you get shame to say this foolish absurdity? Anyway,this not astonished since some delusional Celine fans already claim Madonna surpass Whitney on vocal range ! What will do you bring tomorrow ? That Celine beats The Voice on Writing and Producing skills? When will you accept that the main talents of your idol jokes and pull faces? Celine’s voice can be compare with Madonna,Gaga,Lauper,etc…Mimi belongs to another level,another league.Even if Mariah would become mute,she would stay a better vocalist than Celine.Mimi is THE VOICE !!!
    This is all the truth and the fact honey.Take it easy…
    Bye !

  57. The Reason says:

    You have a serious problem bitch. Everyone can have an

    opinion and if people consider Celine better there is no

    reason to act like a total bitch against them.

    Educate yourself or go back to the asylum.

  58. MOFF says:

    Trish is sick, nothing more or less.

  59. BUTTERFLY says:

    You have a bigger problem than me ashamed slut boy ! You are not in place to judge about my posts.You already insult every lambs that don’t agree with your lies ! (Tane,Momo,Gambit,Carla,etc…).
    This idiot come here to say Celine is better than THe VOICE,it’s normal that I put him back at his place !
    I am not your mother,neither Madonna.You’re a pig,nothing more.As already lold it,you should debate in another that speak about male artists,sport,or play video games with other guys on the web,etc…Come on, behave like true guys ! Stop posting craps about female artists,let girls debate about female artists and the other things reserved to female readers !I couldn’t imagine normal guys arguing with girls about female artists and insulting them !!!!! Get a normal life !!!

  60. The Reason says:

    LOL ! The troll that’s been here for over A YEAR gives

    me life advice ! This is surreal. Plus, I never attacked

    anyone for considering Mariah THE BEST. I would attack

    anyone though ,that insults Celine or Mariah, cause their

    music is part of my life and I dislike people calling

    Celine clown,ugly,robot,nose (YOU) and Mariah bitch,fat,

    whore (JESSICA).

    Finally, nobody has a bigger problem than the bitch that

    keeps posting lies about things she CAN’T prove like

    Mariah’s number 1s in Jamaica, Heiti,Fidji Islands, or

    critics that panned Celine for her nasality, or the fake

    sources about Nana’s sales by market or the exact notes

    that make Celine’s range 2.7 octaves.

    Sorry, but if you can’t see how much you humiliate

    yourself you have an even bigger problem.

  61. The Reason says:

    ”This idiot come here to say Celine is better than THe VOICE,it’s normal that I put him back at his place !”

    No, it’s not a NORMAL behaviour attacking strangers

    via Internet for over a year. Second, you didn’t put him

    into his place, since he only mentioned his opinion.

    Third, these people don’t reply back because they don’t

    care about your sad existence, not because you have

    ”arguments” like you think you have. Babbling that MC

    ”slays” Celine in everything doesn’t make you a strong

    debater. It makes you look silly and pressed. Got that ?

    And all this is confirmed by all the lies I have been

    exposing. The lies you still can’t cover up. (POST 60)

    The least thing you can do is RESPECT all these people

    efforts (Mine,Tane,Celine and Mariah forever,Mandy,

    Stopthis,Peace) that they try to end this debate

    and have been posting that MC and Celine are equal and

    both legends.

    If our efforts are not enough to make you stop, just

    think of Mariah and Celine and their songs that talk

    about love,friendship and peace. This is what music is

    about.

  62. BUTTERFLY says:

    Who are you? How dare you talk about me like this? You are not more than a pig lucky Luke.You always try to take down Mariah’s achievements face to Celine’s.But I always show your lies.I always proved everything I claim here unlike you.You never proved anything,you just tried to lead this debate with partial and unreliable links.You insulted Mariah many times,everyone that already read the entire blog can see it.I would attack anyone who say Celine is better than The Voice in anything,except for concerts !
    You said that I never proved anything here.I remind you that I already proved Mariah’s supremacy on:
    -Hits
    -Influence
    -Voice
    -Musical skills
    -Popularity
    -International wards
    -Singles sales
    -Legacy
    You always try to deny all thes facts by saying I lied,cause I didn’t give “links” to support them.
    the question of albums sales was the main object of this debate since all the other points were clear !
    I just deny the arguments giving by Celine’s fans and you in which Celine surpass Mariah on everything just because of her success on concerts and tours.I said Mariah is better cause she wins in much more things.
    About hits,I proved that Mariah really have much more Top 20 Hits worldwide than Celine even at the 2000 decade.This is you who failed,not me.You said that Quebec is bigger than New Zealand? You even cited China as a micro market !You just forget that China alone is bigger than the whole Europe ! Mariah has much more Top 20 hits than Celine the 2000 decade even in Europe ! You are just silly when you try to ridiculize it.Mariah win one more time. All the debaters you cited that try to end this debate can’t do that because of you.You always want to have the last word.After the post of PEACE I stopped to post comments,but you did.After Mandy’s post you still reply.I posted a comment only when CELINE 2011 said Celine is better than Mariah.Then you dare attack me with insults! I reply to you ,then you still post comments with insults against me.Then accuse me to be the poison of this debate.Who do you think you are ? If you really want the debate is over,don’t post anything at all.Otherwise,I will always reply just like you do.

  63. LuckyLuke says:

    I am going to talk how I want, when I want. You proved

    nothing ,except for the fact that you are mentally

    ill for thinking you actually proved things with facts.

    It would be convenient to leave this debate and let you

    goat you proved everything,wouldn’t it ? And I didn’t

    attack people after your last comment, Mandy asked me

    for a video. It was between me and Mandy about MADONNA,

    not Mariah neither Celine so this still doesn’t excuse

    your rude reply.

    Finally it is funny and surreal how you think you

    exposed my lies… LOL#

    Wait a moment………………………..

    Aren’t you the same bitch that posted Mariah sold 15m

    dvds in Us ?

    Aren’t you the same idiot that posted Mariah sold 6m

    records in UK ?

    Aren’t you the lame person that can’t mention Mariah’s

    number 1s in Fidji Islands and Jamaica ?

    Aren’t you the brainless insect that can’t cite which

    notes exactly make Celine’s range ?

    Aren’t you the mean bitch that can’t cite which music

    critics exactly panned Celine’s nasality ?

    Aren’t you the dumbass that can’t mention which sources

    she trusted to post Nana Mousxouri’s sales ?

    Aren’t you the idiot that posted Mariah’s and Celine’s

    top 20 hits without counting United World Chart and

    Eurochart among other significant charts ?

    Aren’t you the crazy person that attacks people for

    over a year here and trashes Madonna and Celine ?

    Aren’t you the liar that contradicts with all Mariah’s

    awards, YET mentions them to prove her superiority in

    sales ?

    Aren’t you the same mean a-hole that called Celine

    ”clown , ugly , nose , robot” many times ?

    Aren’t you the ignorant that talked about ”rnb culture”

    trying to prove myths on cultural impact ?

    Aren’t you the fool that implied Celine got no awards

    for her perfumes ?

    Finally, aren’t you the humiliated, exposed and pressed

    c*** here to post Mariah sold 200m albums worldwide

    while all her previous posts (YOUR POSTS) per country

    showed sales of 160m albums ? #LOL#

    Sorry…You are already dismissed and finished and

    you can’t swallow it.

  64. tane says:

    ahhh blablablablabla……..mariah is better obviusly no need for me to state this again:/
    butterfly you are right about most of your statements but some are not true…sorry but I have to tell you the true:) I’m like a huge lamb but still it doesn’t give you the cheek to lie about some facts:) lukyluke the same goes for you!

    MARIAH FOREVER! LOL

    mimi! hehehe… Mariah for me is more talented, she has more pride in her work than anyone else! that’s why she’s the best!

  65. tane says:

    I love both artist but Mariah has my vote:)

    i just love Mariah Carey!

  66. The Reason says:

    Tane thanks for trying to be objective, fair and honest.

    If you think I lied about something please tell me about

    it, cause I may be be wrong. My actual point of view is

    stated at post 15. Thanks again !

  67. PIGRIAH Carey says:

    WELL????
    WHO is “MARIAH CAREY”?

    Don’t say that she is a big hit here in the philippines!!
    Bec. we hate her!!!!!

    she IS NOTHING BUT FLOP!!
    FAKE!!

  68. The Reason says:

    Who is Mariah Carey ? ? ? #LOL# Come on !

    Mariah is an influencial vocalist ,an influencial

    musician and on top of these she got all her sales

    success is because of her vocal talent and her

    musicianship. She has been awarded multiple times for

    all these and she is a legend, a class of her own.

    The only artist I know to achieve chart success and

    aclaim with songs of different genres : pop , rnb ,

    gospel , hip hop , urban dance tracks , Motown , soul

    and so on…

    She sold some albums in your country. She’s ok there,

    cause Philippines is not a place where western music

    is popular.

    Here :

    mariahjournal.com/infozone/charts/albums/philippines/index.shtml

    Respect the Legends !!!

  69. Jenaya says:

    Babys can we all get along that both of them are the best! they are both amazing and we will never have anyone like them or Whitney Houston Or the Mighty Janet Jackson. Please Celiniacs and lambs. Calm down

  70. Mandy says:

    I agree with Tane and with Trish .Trish is right in a lot things she said.I know Mariah Carey sells more records than Celine in facts.Besides Many sites support this it. Mariah is also more talented vocally and have a more technical voice.I love both though ,and also Whitney that I consider their big sister .i consider the 3 as 3 sisters, the 3 most talented female vocalists that ever live on this planet !But Mariah make me more proud with her songs and her sing style.Stop the feud everybody

  71. The Reason says:

    I am a fan of MC and memeber at some of her sites – I

    can mention them and they all have sales of 200m

    records+ , just like her label announced and her

    official biographies show. If you know any site in

    specific that says the opposite pls let me know, cause

    I have no idea. Thanx. No mean to fight.

  72. MariahRockstar says:

    I have been reading this page for a long time but decided to join in on the conversation today, because there’s a lot of inaccurrate info stated and it’s just that – inaccurate. I’m a huge Mariah fan as well as Celine fan. Obviously I prefer Mariah as evidenced by the name, but I’m impartial and can admit truth and facts unlike some other Mariah fans I’ve seen on this page. Fact is Mariah is not the best selling female artist of all time and that’s officially confirmed by Guinness World Records and IFPI among others. Truth is that gap toothed, talentless hag Madonna has sold the most. More than Celine & Mariah. Celine comes second and then follows Mariah. The difference is not big between them but fact is as follows

    1 Madonna
    2 Celine Dion
    3 Mariah Carey

    No matter how much Madonna sold though she had an advantage both Mariah & Celine lacked. She began in the 80s. Sure Celine started in the 80s too but her ENGLISH career started in 1990 just like Mariah’s. Mariah surpasses Celine in sales only in Asia and the US. Celine outsells her everywhere else outside those two markets. The Reason perfectly explained everything. Mariah’s official sites which are Mariahjournal and Mariahcarey dotcom, don’t get it twisted stans, also claim this.

    Now aside from the sales debate, I honestly don’t see how some of you are incapable of being truthful when it comes to Celine & Mariah’s talents and skills.

    Celine’s voice has remarkable power that stands out next to every other singer’s.
    Mariah’s voice posesses an incredibly wide range that sets her also apart.

    Celine can actually PERFORM like no other. She interacts with the audience and dances on stage. You only have to watch her, high selling, Taking Chances Tour DVD to see Celine set fire on stage. Mariah lacks in the performing department but guess what? She’s such a gifted songwriter that makes up for it, just read her poetic lyrics in her song “The Roof”. Remember, Celine doesn’t write her songs (even though to be fair she has written few French ones).

    Both singers are regarded as the top female vocalists, along with Whitney Houston no matter how dead Houston’s voice is these days. Both singers have covered many genres in their respective repertoires:

    Celine – The absolute QUEEN of Adult Contemporary and Francophone. music. Has also explored Pop, Dance, Rock, Gospel, Opera, Christmas music, Blues, Soul, Lullaby Music and so on.

    Mariah – The absolute QUEEN of R&B and Christmas music. Has also explored Pop, Dance, Rock, AC, Gospel, Soul (ranging from neo-Soul to old-school 70’s Motown Soul), Jazz, Reggae and so on.

    Both singers’ voices have been praised by critics and are great influences to younger artists such as Christina Aguilera, Leona Lewis, Kelly Clarkson and so on.

    The funny thing is that both singers evidently respect and harbor positive feels for each other. Celine’s acupuncture tips helped Mariah conceive and eventually give birth to twins. Mariah had sent a sympathy basket to Celine when Celine’s father Adhemar Dion passed, to express her sympathy. They have both sung together on stage, they were label mates.

    It’s annoying how fans get caught up in online wars between each other and in the process completely neglect to remain OBJECTIVE and real in an effort to elevate their personal preference.

  73. Advice for fans says:

    Don’t give a damn about what liar and subjective lambs say ok ??

    The real musical sources like ifpi, Billboard, world music awards, and RIAA prove absolutely that Celine Dion has sold more than Mariah worldwide ! Facts speak for themselves so there¿s no point of arguing. Many people can say whatever but things are not going to change.

    I don’t know why Mariah lambs don’t face the fact that Celine and the talentless Whoredonna are more successful than her ! That doesn’t mean that Mariah is a loser, does it ?? I don’t know why you don’t accept the facts proved by music industry. It seems that you must think that Mariah is the owner of sales to enjoy her music right ? In that case…what a shame (with all respect). Maybe you aren’t pretty sure about Mariah’s achievements. Maybe Celine and Madonna fans enjoy much more their idols because they know that their records are higher than Mariah and know what they are, but still they don’t seem to care too much about success of the artists. I know what I’m talking about, because I’ve seen lots of comments in YouTube, blogs, etc….

    And don’t contradict me, I wasn’t born in music yesterday and I know perfectly well the records of Mariah Carey, Celine Dion and even of MANdonna and I must say I have nothing against Cline or Mariah, but facts are that Celine is more successful, but Mariah is not so behind ! and is valuable too !!
    The point is enjoy your music, that’s it !

  74. MJ KING OF THE WORLD says:

    I mean …. just for the record:

    Who the freaking cares ’bout which market is bigger ??
    I will repeat what some Mariah lambs say: “USA AND JAPAN ARE THE BIGGEST MARKETS OF THE WORLD”…….. And ?? so what ??? That means that Mariah is more important ??? Hell no!!

    The market is important ! That’s it ! THE MARKET !! NOT THE ARTIST……..just for the record:

    RIAA, WMA and IFPI claimed Celine as the world’s best selling female artist more recently, logically it means she owns it with sales surpassing 200 million (Mariah is in the 180 million). So, with more sales than Mariah worldwide !! So, maybe it could be because of Europe, Africa, Latin America, Canada, bla bla bla……..but still she has much more power in music industry than Mariah ! Use your logic !! U can’t argue the success of an artist just because the legacy of the market she/he triumphs at because those are different topics.

    Moreover, my own country (USA) could be the largest market, but I mean….if we count Europe, Oceania, Africa and the rest of America, it makes a bigger market all together than USA and even Japan.

    But I repeat ! The market doesn’t say anything….but they success of the artist speaks by itself.

    From this we can infer that Celine and Madonna have surpassed the importance of USA and Japan as markets, while Mariah is in a good level, but what she has is not enough.

    Sorry for the lambs, my point is not to frustrate ya, but facts are facts

  75. Mandy says:

    Thanks,” Advice For Fans “.I agree with your logic .However I have to remind you that Mariah sells much more singles than Celine ,though Celine totalize more albums sold.
    Moreover for me ,the best one is not necessarily the greatest seller cause ( Otherwise,it would mean that Madonna is better than both Celine and Mariah as she’s a greater seller ).They are too close on record sales to base the comparison among them mainly on sales.
    That’s why the other achievements are useful to comre them.But anyway,they are very close on everything,overall.

    The only thing you’re wrong in is saying that Celine is more successful than Mariah in Latin America,cause this is the opposite.
    I think the difference among Celine’s and Mariah’s sales is negligeable .
    Besides,celine & Mariah had not started their respective career at the same time,they hadn’t released the same amount of records,they hadn’t sung in the same number of languages,etc…
    we also have to take into account that Celine is favorised in Canada and France relatively to Mariah ,thank to her Canadian and francophone roots. USA is a more open and multi-cultural place,where the chances to be popular for non-American artists are greater there than anywhere else . .The proof is Celine’s huge success and popularity in USA beside Mariah’s,and her huge supremacy in Canada & France over Mariah.If we take these things into account,they are equal.
    But you’re right,this is useless to stil fight.Let’s rather enjoy and appreciate their works.As we all love both,let’s just say who among both we love MORE and WHY, to ending this stupid feud.Let’s comment their best achievements and work and say what we love in each other .This way,we’ll promote both artists,and express our admiration and respect for their works,and also for ourselves their fans.

  76. BUTTERFLY says:

    @MariahRockstar:The fact is that Madonna neither Celine doesn’t surpass Mariah on worldwide sales ! If you were really informed you would know that Guinness isn’t allowed to state who is the best selling female artist of all times.Its not a musical institution.Only RIAA’s datas are based on real counts,all others are based on estimations.That’s why they usually made huge mistake in their statements ( IFPI cliamed 200 million albums sold by nana Mouskouri without any proof.Guinness claimed 300,then 280 million albums sold by Madonna in the past.in 2010,Guinness rectify this number by 200 million albums.So,these institutions can’t be trusted.It would be too much easy to just repeat after IFPI,Guinness,Mediatrafic,etc…without analyze the real facts giving by the past.It’s not by nothing that World Music Award awarded the best seller albums.How Madonna could sold 200 million albums worldwide with just 1 world Music award for her entire career? Because WMA hate her? It’s because all her albums were moderate success,not huge smash hit albums as Mariah’s Daydream,Music Box,Mariah Carey,etc… or Celine’s Falling Into You,Let’s Talk About Love.Mariah is ahead of Celine because her 1990’s albums sold more than Celine’s while she equals Celine’s albums sales at the 2000’s.About singles,Celine has just 5 million seller singles worldwide (reaching or surpassing million sales) for her entire career while Mariah has over 25 . So it’s clear that Mariah outsold Celine by 30- 50 million records the less worldwide.
    You are wrong,Mariah has sold more albums and much more singles than Celine worldwide.Celine outsold Mariah just in Europe and Canada,anywhere else.Mariah outsold Celine in US the greatest music market,Asia (the second greatest music market),Oceania,South America and West Indies. Everyone already knows that Celine has great success in concerts.
    Don’t add your own thoughts to Celine’s influences.

  77. Susanne 1986 says:

    According to BILLBOARD in 2010 :

    1) Madonna 300 million
    2) Celine 220 million
    3) Mariah 200 million Peace people. Love you all ! <3

  78. The Reason says:

    I would really love to see which Mariah’s singles sold

    over 5m copies and their respective certifications. And

    her sales in West Indies in detail, since people here

    boast about these stuff.

  79. The Reason says:

    @ BUTTERFLY

    Moff and Shutup asked you to PROVE when GBR

    mentioned more sales about Madonna and YOU STILL CAN’T

    PROVE IT ! You just REPEAT it !

    No comment on the rest B U L L S H I T you posted about

    Celine’s million selling singles and Mariah being equal

    to Celine in albums sales this decade !

    Pure B U L L C R A P !!! LIES !!!

  80. wow says:

    @Advice for fans I agree! We should just listen to the music and enjoy it while they’re still able to sing with their incredible voices!

    @MJ KING OF THE WORLD I agree that the WORLDWIDE market is more important than just the US and Japan market, so if Celine Dion has sold more albums and had more success WORLDWIDE than Mariah Carey, Celine has had a more successful career

    So…its pretty annoying seeing all these stubborn people fighting over nothing -_-

  81. tane says:

    1 Madonna
    2 celine
    3 Mariah

    betweent Mariah and Celine its a small plot:)

  82. MOFF says:

    You’re right tane :)

    300 million records – Madonna
    240 million Celine
    and 220 Mariah.

    THE THREE BIGGEST SELLING FEMALE ARTISTS!!

  83. tane says:

    moff said it

  84. Gambit says:

    Maria Carey has sold more records than Celine Dion worldwide.As said Trish,Mariah was always ahead of Celine on worldwide sales.
    1-Madonna
    2-Mariah Carey
    3-Celine Dion
    the three are great !

  85. Helena says:

    Celine Dion has sold more records than Mariah Carey
    worldwide. Proved by tane,MOFF,the reason,Mariahrockstar
    MJ King rules,Advice for fans.

    1-Madonna
    2-Celine
    3-Mariah

  86. Shannon says:

    Mariah has sold more records than Celine worldwide proved by TRISH,Momo,Mandy,Carla,Mariah4ever,Gambit,Mariahlamb,and so on…
    1-Madonna
    2-Mariah Carey
    3-Celine Dion

  87. The Reason says:

    Oh guys…this is so funny. Running out of arguments so

    you decide to play nickname games. And on top of that

    you copy paste answers, insting on non sense.

    Well Shannon…First of all half the people you mentioned

    are the same person. Second, Gabmit only repeated what

    the others said with no originality. Third, Mandy kinda

    agreed Celine sold more (POST 75), just like Tane did.

    Fourth, funny this was posted one day after I got

    insulted out of nowhere by Gabmit (crazy,sick,pathetic),

    who actually uses the same writing style as…

    Well, take it easy and bye bye !!! :-)

  88. wow says:

    What @MOFF posted in post 82 should have ended these arguments

  89. tane says:

    Mariah carey has sold more singles but less albums:)

    Celine dion has sold more labum but less singles:)

    who says I’m wrong?

  90. MANDY says:

    I am clear,I agree with TRISH when she claimed that Mariah Carey sold more records than Celine Dion worldwide.But,I don’t express myself about Madonna’s sales compare with Mariah’s.Yes,Trish is right,Mariah has sold more records than Celine.Lucky Luke keep insist on this,that’s why I wanted to ended the debate.But,I know very well that Mariah surpass Celine on records sales worldwide.Take it easy everyone,cause none of us can accuse Trish anymore to prevent the end of this debate.She doesn’t argue since many days unlike Lucky Luke.This is rather Lucky Luke that keep insist by answering to every posts…Lol ! Peace everyone,Celine and Mariah are both very great !

  91. MOFF says:

    You are right, tane :)

  92. tane says:

    yay! finally a finished debate:)
    thx everyone!

  93. The Reason says:

    @ Mandy

    I actually replied to Gabmit cause he replied to me and

    now I post this comment to you, cause you mentioned my

    name 3 times in one paragraph.

    Don’t say ”I insist” cause last time I ”insisted” on

    sth was the 18th of May. = 13 DAYS AGO !

    The only thing I did ever since was asking for

    certifications on Mariah’s huge million selling singles

    and her record sales in West Indies. I got no reply, so

    I stopped. Ok ?

    With that being said…If you want to accuse me any

    further do it. Just don’t rely on what others say cause.

    You get somehow confused and get to imitate their

    writing styles as well.

    ( ”keep insist” / ”since many days unlike Lucky Luke”

    ”This is rather Lucky Luke” keep insist by”

    ”every posts” )

    C Ya sweety ! <3

  94. Nikolai says:

    Hi everyone,I am gay and I am a crazy Madonna fan…The queen of pop…Lol ! Madonna has something than other female artists can’t give.I think that Mariah really is the most talented artist ever and the biggest vocalist ever.Nobody reaches Mariah’s voice,this is undeniable,But I believe that Madonna sold more than Mariah.Sorry lambs,but Mariah is just behind Madonna.Both are greatest female seller ever.To be honest,Celine doesn’t sold as much as Mariah,even though she is very successful too.Celine is a good entertainer…Lol ! Don’t be mad Celiniacs,Celine is third and this is not bad at all,since she even surpasses the vocal legend Whitney Houston on records sales.Here in Europe,Celine sold much more than Carey,but most europeans believe Mariah has more talent and beter voice than celine,at the other side,Mariah sold much more than Celine in Asia and US…The Three are great !…LMAO ! Celine ,Mariah and Madonna forever ! let’s love each other,cause there is any reason for fighting .

  95. What the what?? says:

    1. Madonna – around 300 million
    2. Celine – 220-250 million
    3. Mariah – 200-220 million
    I don’t even know why I’m adding Madonna, since everyone knows Madonna has sold more than these two.
    @TRISH, Butterfly, whatever nickname you go by
    You told @Lies Lies Lies that critics “blame her for her nasal tone in her voice.” If you really
    read the critiques, they do not blame her for it, and they say it gives her a smooth tone in her voice.

    Celine sells more concert tickets, albums, and DVDs
    Mariah sells more singles and music videos.
    Celine’s fragrance line is far more popular than Mariah’s.
    You also said Mariah was awarded with the Millineum award, which she got for selling the most records in the past 1000 years. She got that before Celine’s numbers were officially calculated, which was in the 21st century, explaining why Celine got her Hollywood Walk of Fame the next year, when she sold more records than Mariah.
    You keep blaming others for coming back when they clearly write “I DON’T WANT TO FIGHT ANYMORE” but you seem to be the one who keeps coming back when all of the Celiniacs continuously tell you they’ll stop if you stop posting these outrageously hilarious posts. But you never do, because this is probably what you do on your free time.
    You keep saying Celine has no unique assets and her nasal voice is irritating to others. If that’s true, how come she’s sold over 200 million in records? Huh?
    You tell us you’ve given proof and your source forall your information, but you never do. Like in one post, you cleary wrote, “For example,I didn’t got the infos about Nana Mouskouri true total album sales and about many Mariah’s info from internet.” Then where did you get it from? You always seem to be avoiding these questions by unnecessarily insulting Celine and everyone who idolizes her, just like you idolize Mariah. And that’s another thing. You insult everybody, even those who say they like both equally and should stop debating. Or when they just give their opinions.

    And to all who this applies to : I don’t mean to be too rude, but saying the words FAIL and Lol makes you sound stupid. Get something clever to say!

    Again, I will be one of hundreds to say, I will not post anymore of these posts if you stop posting things that really hurt some of these people’s feelings!!!!

  96. MOFF says:

    Wow, I absolutely agree with you.

    This should be the last word said. But I suppose that Trish (BUTTERFLY) will come back and post lies and lies again.

    Nikolai, I accept your post but I think you can’t say that Celine has sold less records than Mariah.

    Saying “Mariah has better voice” is OK but thinking who has sold more or less records is fail because it’s something an opinion can’t change.

    The fact is that Celine has sold more records in total because she has sold more albums and more DVDs, but less singles and music videos.

    Mariah has sold a little more singles, but that doesn’t mean she has also sold more reocrds in total.

    Like Dej Jam said, Mariah has sold over 200 million records, and I think that everybody can calculate:

    Diamond Award in 2003 for 150 million album sales + further albums since 2003 (15 million) =
    165 million albums. But because of catalog sales her assumed album sales stand at almost 170 million I would say.

    Her single sales are at around 55 million sales like many Mariah’s hompages or fanpages claim.

    So it’s easy to say that Mariah has sold around 220 million records.

    Celine:

    She got her Diamond Award in 2004 for 175 million album sales, now her album sales stand at 185 million + her singles sales at around 50 million and DVD sales you’ll get a number of almost 240 million.

    About Madonna, we know she outsold every singer in the world.
    200 million albums sold alone (IFPI, Guinness) and over 100 million singles sold (certifications) you’ll get 300 million records.

    Madonna, Celine, Mariah are the best !

  97. tane says:

    moff your right! even though I’m a huge Mariah Carey fan its quite true Celine sells a bit more:)

  98. MOFF says:

    Thanks, tane. You are not as bold and foolish like TRISH (BUTTERFLY). You recognize the truth, although you’re a Mariah Carey fan.
    Guys, tane is a real MC fan !

  99. The Reason says:

    I have to agree that only TRUE fans accept their idols

    with their pros and cons. Lying about achievements

    doesn’t show love or devotion. Just lack of logic

    thought and insecurities.

    Tane accepts Mariah is not a commercially succesful

    as Madonna and Celine. TRUE FAN

    Moff accepts Madonna doesn’t have the vocal talent or

    the songwriting skills, or the vocal/musical influence

    Mariah owns. TRUE FAN

    I Love Celine and Mariah soooooooooo much, but I

    recognise Madonna’s superiority in sales, while Madonna’s

    music means nothing to me…I am a TRUE FAN !

    (Not to mention I accept Mariah’s superiority in

    musicianship,vocal/musical influence and vocal technique)

    LOL xD

    Something more…None of us ever insulted Mariah or

    Celine or Madonna.

    ;-)

  100. BUTTERFLY says:

    @ What the What : Hahahaha! Let me laugh ! This is so funny ! Who could judge me here?
    Who are you?
    Keep your word straight ! True fans accept when their idol has an asset and an handicap ! I said Celine’s voice is nasal.nobody can say the opposite since this stay a fact ! If you love her like this,good for you.But don’t say that I lied by saying it.

  101. BUTTERFLY says:

    I didn’t blame Celine’s voice.I said its nasal since that’s true.Face the real fact ! What do you say about Lucky Luke’s claims that Mariah’s 2000’s albums are breathy? What do you say about he’s lies by saying Madonna and Celine surpass Whitney Houston on vocal range? What do you say about Lucky Luke claim that said Lady Gaga that started her career in 2008 equals Mariah that have success with singles since 1990,on worldwide singles sales? That Celine’s Let’s Talk About Love reach million sales in Brazil? That Celine’s 1990’s albums surpass Mariah’s ? This is Trish that lied ? About sales,let me give you the right list
    1-Mariah Carey 300 million
    2-Madonna 230 million
    3-Whitney Houston 215 million
    4-Celine Dion 192 million
    This list is irrefutable !
    Celine’s fragrances are more popular than Mariah’s in Europe and Canada.Mariah’s fragrances are more popular than Celine’s in US,Asia, and the rest of the world !
    Celine sold more DVD,concerts tickets than Mariah
    -Mariah sold much more Albums,Singles than Celine.Moreover,Mariah has much more Hits in every countries worldwide than Celine !
    I even don’t need to talk about Voice,Image,Legacy,Influence,writing, producing skills,etc…
    Yes,I keep say that Mariah’s Millennium award is relevant fr the whole last millennium !
    Keep your words straight.Me too,I could say “I Don’t want to fight “then continuing by replying with each post.Don’t accuse me for something that you can’t see with fair eyes ! I even didn’t reply to many Lucky Luke’s posts that needed reply although he continue to do it.But you can’t see it,cause this is me that you hate in advance.
    You are most hilarious than my posts,as you are completely blinded.I assume everything I did,and I don’t need you say me nothing about what I post here ok?
    Can you cite 10 songs and ten albums by Nana Mouskouri,that you really know? If you got arguments on Nana’s sales,good.Bring them here !
    I insult anyone when they just give their opinions.,I reply to insults ! You call me stupid,so if I call you a-hole,this is not bad.See?

  102. BUTTERFLY says:

    Moff,what else could you say? This is not astonish that you agree with another a**hole like Lucky Luke and you ! You said that I will come in the blog and posting lies? But did you ever stopped to post lie even during a entirely week Lucly Luke and you? Are you the person in the blog that could treat my arguments as lies? I don’t think so.You’ll always claims Lucky Luke’s lie truth cause you are his boyfriend and you both sleep together.
    Saying Celine amuse people on tage most than Mariah is right,but that doesn’t mean she equals or surpasses Mariah on sales.
    The fact is that Celine sold more tickets concerts and a little bit more DVD than Mariah.But Mariah sold much more albums and much more singles than Celine worldwide !
    everybody can calculate:
    – 150 million albums sold by Mariah till 2000 year
    – 120 million albums sold by Celine till 2000 year

    – 75 million singles sold by Mariah at the 1990’s,then 25 million at the 2000’s = 100 million singles the less
    -20 million singles sold by Celine at the 1990’s,then 5 million at the 2000’s = 25 million singles,let’s say 30 million.

    Moff,you try to based your crap on Mariah and celine’s Diamond Award ? Tell me,what WMA claims about Madonna’s global sales ? The chopard award is not reliable just in the case of Madonna? You can run,but you can’t hide.Facts doesn’t lies on what a sudden award could saying,but on real achievements.Mariah still the best !

  103. BUTTERFLY says:

    Moff,how you dare compare Tane with me? I respect her opinion and what she believes.but that has nothing to do with me and my arguments.I know many Madonna fans that admit Mariah sold more than Madonna.
    You said that I am bold and foolish? What I could say about you Moff? Do you think that someone could ever become as foolish as Lucky Luke and you? You are the only two guys in this planet that spend more than a entire year by posting lies and craps to support female artists.Healthy guys debate about basket,Baseball,Soccer,polo,etc…,sex,girls,party,meeting,beach,video games,sport,etc… This is so sad for you to be so sick ! At least,you should be in the Michael Jackson VS Elvis Presley debate,or something like this…True and healthy boys that have Celine and Madonna to emulate as model,this is much more than foolish !

  104. BUTTERFLY says:

    I don’t hate Celine and Madonna,all that I hate are their fanatics!.This is so banal and stupid to claim that a Madonna fan that admit Mariah has a better voice and is more talentuous than Madonna is objective.ouuugh!…LMAO !I recognize Celine’s superiority by entertain people more than Mimi.Also Madonna’s dancing and entertaining superiority over Mariah.Who could say I not objective???
    They are only Madonna and celine’s fans that admit Mariah sold more records than both,that are really objective ! All others are subjective,but just use tricks to convince some lambs that are not sure enough about what they believe and know.
    I never insulted celine,Mariah or Madonna,only their fans ! All these has nothing to do with sales.

  105. MOFF says:

    Where did you get all the information? A stupid person cannot do some research, sorry :D

    Madonna, Celine, Mariah !! BEST

  106. BUTTERFLY says:

    Mimi is the greatest and the best selling female artist of all times !
    Madonna,Whitney then Celine follow her and are all very great too !

  107. MOFF says:

    Try it Trish,

    Celine has sold more than Mariah Carey. You are not a Mariah Carey fan!

  108. The Reason says:

    @ BUTTERFLY

    LMAO ! Still here contradicting with all Mariah sources ?

    LOL xD

    Still here throwing accusations about me on other

    people ?

    Still here insulting me at both debates ?

    Still hehe posting LIES about me when everyone can read

    my previous posts about saying Mariah sold MORE IN THE

    90s ? LOL Don’t you get ashamed for changing my words ?

    Manipulative Freak !!!

    I already EXPLAINED everything in detail. Denying

    my claims for your own reasons, doesn’t make me a liar.

    For instance, what could I do to prove that Celine’s

    album is million seller in Brazil ? I posted 2 links on

    it. What else am I supposed to do ? I told you to visit

    Brazil’s certification system as well. What else could I

    say ? I also mentioned Celine’s Latin Awards in

    response…Still not enough…

    So the problem is not me lying. The problem is you being

    unable to face THE FACTS !

    Certifications are facts ! Awards are facts !

    WITH THESE BEING SAID :

    You said Mariah’s fragnances are more popular everywhere

    exept for Europe and Canada.

    ………………………….Ok :-)

    I DARE YOU TO PROVE IT ! Come on ! I challenge you ! Do

    you have the guts to go ahead ? Do you dare ?

    Show me how Mariah’s fragrances are more popular in

    these places !

    Bring info or sources or grossing estimations !!!

    I love to see you being UNABLE to explain your theories

    like you did MULTIPLE times in the past ! Now

    lies on parfumes are added to your previous lies about

    – critics that panned Celine’s nasality (LIE)

    – sources on Nana’s sales (LIE)

    – Mariah’s popularity in W.Indies (LIE)

    – Mariah singles certifications worldwide (LIE)

    – Mariah number 1s in Jamaica and Heiti (LIE)

    And yeah I called Mariah’s voice breathy ! Guess what !

    Critics REALLY PANNED Mariah’s voice.

    All Music Guide said about Charmbracelet :

    ”What is a greater problem is that Mariah’s voice is shot, sounding in tatters throughout the record. Whenever she sings, there’s a raspy whistle behind her thin voice and she strains to make notes throughout the record. She cannot coo or softly croon, nor can she perform her trademark gravity-defying vocal runs. Her voice is damaged, and there’s not a moment where it sounds strong or inviting. That alone would be disturbing, but since the songs are formless and the production bland”

    Now stop refering to me and my posts, you psychopath !

  109. BUTTERFLY says:

    Moff,try again.Mariah Carey sold more than Madonna,Madonna more than Whitney,Whitney more than Celine !So it’s impossible that Celine could even equals Mariah,since even Madonna and Whitney outsold her.See ?
    Moff,youre not a Madonna and a Celine fan.You are a Lucky Luke fan !

  110. BUTTERFLY says:

    You’re right Lucky Luke.You always proved your lies by crap links,but the question is not that you got a link or not to support a lie.The most important is that your arguments stay craps although many links support them.Celine’s Let’s talk About Love never reach million sales in Brazil,whatever your biased link show it or no.Celine and Madonna’s vocal range never equals or surpass Whitney’s,whatever said links.It would be not astonish that a link claim Susan Boyle’s voice equals or surpass Whitney’s or Mariah’s,but there is no need to check a link about it.Songs talk by themselves,otherwise,people would check what say a link about a song or a album before to buy it.
    Mariah sold much more singles than Celine and Lady gaga worldwide,not just 5 or 10 million.your links lie ! Mariah has much more Hits and popular songs in every countries worldwide than Celine.Keep saying that I lie.But your crap links can’t change those facts.
    I didn’t copy infos from Wikipedia,then increase them and bring them here,this is beyond me.
    Yes,Mariah’s fragrances are much more popular than Celine’s everywhere worldwide,except for Europe and Canada.I don’t have to prove it since you never proved your lies about Celine equals Mariah on singles sales at 1990’s and 2000’s, although I always question you and this a-hole called Moff about it.I dare you to prove it ! I dare you to prove Celine equals Mariah on singles,and outsold Mariah’s albums by 20 -30 million according to certifications ! I DARE YOU TO PROVE IT !

  111. BUTTERFLY says:

    Me too,I can bring many citations about Celine’s nasal voice.
    There is a big difference between some critics about an album and critics about the vocal potential of an artist.Mariah’s Charmbracelet album could be criticize as breathy because of whispering songs like Boy I Need You,Sunflowers,etc…But that doesn’t mean Mariah has a breathy voice.Go and listen to Mariah’s performance of My saving Grace at the Oprah Winfrey show in 2002,then her unique rendition of the national anthem The Star Spangled Banner.No other female singer could do the same.Nobody can’t say her voice was breathy.Yes she has some whisper songs from her 2000’s albums,but don’t try to destroy her vocal reputation by saying her voice is breathy.Mariah voice stay unreachable and sublime !
    Celine’s nasality is different.I could say an endless songs and live performances in which Celine’s voice sound very nasal !
    You try to take me down? You just can’t !
    – critics that panned Celine’s nasality (TRUTH)

    – sources on Nana’s sales (TRUTH)

    – Mariah’s popularity in W.Indies (TRUTH)

    – Mariah singles certifications worldwide (TRUTH)

    – Mariah popular songs in West Indies ( Jamaica and Haiti,Republica Dominicana,etc…) (TRUTH)

    You already claim Celine has more Hits than Mariah at the 2000’s.I proved the opposite,you try to deny it by based you on Jamaica and haiti.You’re So delusional !

    -Let’s Talk About Love sold million in Brazil (LIE)
    -Celine equals Mariah on singles sales (only 5 million difference) (LIE)
    -Celine’s 1990 decade albums outsold Mariah’s (LIE)
    -Celine’s 2000 decade albums outsold Mariah’s (LIE)
    -Celine outsold Mariah’s albums by 25- 30 million (LIE)
    -Celine and Madonna has wider vocal rande than Whitney Houston (LIE)
    -Lady Gaga equals Mariah on worldwide singles sales (LIE)
    -Celine has more Hits worldwide than Mariah (LIE)
    -Celine also has influence Christina,Leona,Kelly,etc… (LIE) Only Mariah influenses these artists.
    I refer to you and your posts, only because these are all that Moff can find to repeat here.He’s not able to bring something by his own,only repeat your old craps, lies and theories.
    You really think that I am as psychopath as you? Don’t make this mistake,you are the champion on this !

  112. The Reason says:

    Idiot bitch. You dare me to prove what ? You dare me

    to prove that Celine sold 5-10m singles below MC and

    20m+ albums more ? LOL ! That’s the point of the whole

    debate you crazy cow. I have already shown certifications

    and various sources and you don’t trust them. This is

    not my fault. I can’t speak to a wall. I can’t talk to

    a person that trusts nothing. How come you dare ask

    me to bring certifications when you have been lying

    already on certifications of Us albums ? (Saying Mariah’s

    debut is Diamond and Daydream 11xP)

    How the hell am I supposed to speak logically about sales

    with you when you knew NOTHING on Dvd certifications

    and proudly declared 15m+ sales of DVDs for Mariah ?

    How could I ever talk about sales to the person that

    just repeats Mariah’s highest selling single sold

    over 10m copies and when I ask for the certifications

    I get 0 answers ?

    How do you dare asking me to talk again with you about

    sales when you brought a few weeks ago a link about

    artists SINGLE sales in UK and used it to say Mariah

    sold 6m+ RECORDS in UK ! While her true sales there are

    over 13m records.

    You are not in position to demand any answers since

    you have suprassed all levels of STUPIDITY by claiming

    you don’t know Mariah’s Asian sales and then insisting

    that she sold over 50m albums there, maybe 60m !

    How do you dare accusing my links as craps when it’s

    obvious you have 0 knowledge on sales ? Proved by the

    fact that you said Mariah sold over 50m albums in Europe,

    as a coclusion to the stupid UK link you brought !

    Your little mind thought = Celine equals Mariah in sales

    in Uk…therefore they are equal in whole Europe -.-‘

    Too bad the link was only about UK singles !

    How do you expect to believe the claims of a human being

    you hate (me) when you don’t trust all sources, media,

    labels and so on !

    Even if sources made mistakes … would they ever make

    mistakes of a famous singer for over 100m records that

    is active the past 20 years, when certifications are

    clear ?

    How can you demand me to explain you Celine’s and

    Mariah’s sales when you contradict with yourself ?

    Saying Celine sold over 145m at 2003 and then changing

    that to below 130m by 2003 ?

    Aren’t you the same girl that used to say Mariah’s

    AIWFCIY sold over 20m and then changed to 10m+, still

    with no sources ?

    And instead of shuting you big ignorant mouth after

    these you keep attacking me with LIES !

    – YOU CAN’T BRING CITATIONS ON CELINE’S NASAL VOICE

    BEING PANNED !

    – YOU CAN’T BRING THE SINGLES THAT TOPPED CHARTS IN

    JAMAICA AND HEITI !

    – YOU CAN’T PROVE MARIAH’S POPULARITY IN WEST INDIES !

    – YOU CAN’T BRING SOURCES ON NANA’S SALES !

    – YOU CAN’T PROVE MARIAH’ PARFUMES POPULARITY !

    Stop attacking me about Madonna’s range. Vocal Range

    means nothing, unless these notes are sang ! And Madonna

    can’t sing at all, barely 1 octave of her ”range”.

    That’s what I am saying ! The only thing I stand

    corrected is Gaga digital downloads. She hasn’t sold more

    than MC.

    Now since you want to talk with me about singles,

    I accept your challenge, although you MISERABLY FAILED

    to prove anything your LIES !

    Let’s take it one by one :

    Mariah Debut Singles :

    – Vision Of Love

    – Love Takes Time

    – Someday

    – I Don’t Wanna Cry

    – There’s Gotta Be A Way

    Go on bitch ! Bring their certifications and chart peaks

    and your estimations on these 5 singles and we talk on

    these first and then we move on to others !

    You have no idea where you got yourself into :)

    I am waiting the chart success of these. We will do that

    for all Mariah’s singles discography till we find a

    result and then we move on to Celine’s !

    Start with these 5 if you dare and don’t even think of

    accusing me again on lies cause NOTHING OF WHAT I SAY

    IS CREATED BY MY TEDENCY TO LIE ! You have a tedency to

    lie, with unsupported fake theories !

    Even lambs would diss you, bitch !

    I am waiting you claims on these 5 singles.

    * We will laugh * xD

  113. MOFF says:

    You are sick, administrator please do the same like you did for TRISH !!

  114. tane says:

    wow! wow! wow! Trish well I think your butterfly anyway, I don’t believe your sources are true, I might have when I first stated debating but I got over your lies trish!:(
    im not being modest or mean I’m just telling you Mariah has sold less albums then Celine Dion only more singles!

    luky luke and moff tell the truth, at stages when I first started the debate I thought they were all fools but it turned out we were….haha anyway! do you see them mock Mariah like you do celine? they love Mariah as they say but hey I would have thought that was a lie to but I was wrong hahaha:)

    madonna
    celine
    mariah<3<3

    and isn’t it obvious Madonna out sells each of them? I don’t particularly like Madonna for what she mentioned and said about Mariah Carey but hey I have to admit the truth:)

    trish please don’t get the wrong idea, I’m just being honest with you:)

  115. The Reason says:

    Thanx for believing I love Mariah, Tane. I really do. I

    could defend her real sales, her range, her technique

    her musicianship, her flexibility, her sexiness, her

    attitude and much more.

    As of TRISH sources you don’t believe them because

    they don’t exist ! LOL

    Can you imagine any normal source claiming 300m records

    sales ? :P It’s so funny.

    TRISH actually hates both me and Moff for

    replying to her, this is why she exagerates. There is no

    way she believes what she posts. She is just an angry

    kid that reacts to people she thinks are MC haters.

  116. MOFF says:

    Tane, you are absolutely right.

  117. What the what?? says:

    @Butterfly
    Learn how to read. Seriously, almost everything you accused me of lying, I didn’t say.
    I never said anything about Nana’s sales, except using it as an example of how you don’t give us any sources! LINKS! Not names of places you’ve seen it. MTV is not specific enough to be a source!
    Has Mariah’s perfumes sold over 500 million in retail prices? If so, give me the LINK!
    Let’s Talk About Love HAS sold 1 million in Brazil!
    “I don’t have to prove it since you never proved your lies about Celine equals Mariah on single sales at 1990’s and 2000’s” So Immature! What? You think that’s going to end this discussion? Or do you just want to continue because you have no life? And don’t just repeat it back to me, because that also proves you’re immature. You know how I know I have a life? Because I haven’t been in this discussion for a year! I know others have, but at least they have the nerve to prove it to us.
    I’m not doing this because I hate Mariah. I don’t hate her. I actually have her songs on my ipod. I’m doing this because apparently, someone here is a lunatic and things need to be straightened out! You also proved me right by coming back here! I don’t care if you haven’t commented on ALL of LuckyLuke’s posts. I care that you’ve been here for a year, and you still haven’t given any proofs about your info.

  118. What the what?? says:

    I didn’t say you blamed Celine’s voice. I said you blamed CRITICS for blaming her voice. They didn’t! Maybe, some of them prefer it not to be there in some songs, but they didn’t blame her for it at all.
    300million albums??? That’s just so far from reality, I don’t even know what to say. Where does it say Mariah sold 300 million albums? I don’t care where you got it from. Even a biased site. Just give it to me! Because not one Mariah fanatic (excluding you) will say that!
    Oh, and by the way, I didn’t call you stupid. I said you sound stupid. BIG DIFFERENCE!

  119. tane says:

    wow thx guys!…:D

  120. The Reason says:

    ”Celine also has influence Christina,Leona,Kelly,etc… (LIE) Only Mariah influenses these artists”

    See how she said ”Only Mariah” ! ONLY Mariah ! ONLY !

    Do you get it people ? ? ? This girl CAN’T see anything

    beyond Mariah.

    @ BUTTERFLY

    Mariah is their main influence for sure. But Celine
    influenced these as well. They have all stated it. Leona
    entered the X Factor auditions singing Celine’s ”My
    Heart Will Go On” and won the show singing ”All By
    Myself” (doing Celine’s version with the big note). She
    even tried to do a similar song to ”My Heart Will Go
    On” named ”I See You” for the Avatar film. Kelly
    Clarkson sang ”Think Twice” and ”I Surrender”.
    There is even a popdirt debate about Kelly’s comment
    that she loves Celine, but prefers Mariah above her.
    LOL Celine has influenced all these singers, but Mariah
    has a bigger influence on them. Still writing ”Only Mariah” proves who the biased liar is. Moreover, the whole vocal discussion issue is over,as I have already
    accepted that Mariah influenced more.

    POST 15 ! Learn to read !

    As of Celine’s range it is Bb2-E6 ! Whitney’s range is
    A2-C6 ! End of story. None of them ever sang a note
    below or above these. I am done talking about vocals and
    notes with someone that couldn’t mention which notes
    exactly make Celine’s range 2.7 octaves -.-‘ You couldn’t
    mention the notes because you lied and because you don’t
    know sh** on notes. So use your brain for once and STOP accusing me about topics YOU ignore !!!

    @ Everyone

    Don’t ask links from Trish. 1)No links will ever prove

    the 300m records myth 2)In the past she LIED that she

    trusted magazines and once I posted magazines that

    declared Celine as the highest seller she called them

    biased 3) She ONLY used to visit Wikipedia and copy

    paste info from the site and then inflate them with the

    fake excuse that Wikipedia hates on MC. – Mariah’s page

    in Wikipedia is controled by her management team though.

    That means her managers hate her xD – LOL

    I explain everything on her ”copy paste” games at

    the ”Mariah VS Madonna” popdirt debate.

    Here :

    popdirt.com/top-selling-female-artist-madonna-or-mariah-carey-part-3/81343/

    Check post 235.

  121. Butterfly says:

    Celine doesn’t influence them.They just sing some of her songs.They never use any Celine techniques in their songs unlike Mariah’s and Whitney’s.No one ever notice one of these singers using vocals similar to Celine’s.And Charice’s main influence is Mariah Carey.Charice had covered song from Whitney ,so she’s also influenced from Whitney.II divo are influenced by Mariah Carey and Whitney Houston as well as Celine.

  122. The Reason says:

    Charice’s main influence is Celine.

    youtube.com/watch?v=241-cCYipZU

    Celine influenced all these artists and this is why

    they choose to sing her songs. Would I ever choose to

    sing Justin Timberlake since I don’t like him ? Would

    you, little Trish, ever sing a Madonna song ? or a

    Celine (ugliest clown on earth) song ? LOL

    Il Divo have never mentioned Mariah as an influece. They

    have just shown their huge respect to Celine – but that

    doesn’t make Celine an influence for them.

    ”No one ever notice one of these singers using vocals similar to Celine’s”

    Big Lie ! Their cover versions were pretty much like

    Karaoke. They copied Celine’s notes. Second the whole

    argument is a joke and invalid because having an artist

    as an influence doesn’t mean you have to IMITATE his/her

    singing. For example, Xtina’s main influence is Mariah.

    Still, she doesn’t really use similar style or

    techniques to Mariah. Her whistles are thin, her belts

    throaty and strained, her runs a total mess and she just

    screams, in her atempt to sound soulful. Mariah never

    does any of these. According to the way you think, that

    would mean Christina is not really influenced by MC. So

    your argument is a total fail.

    And of course you can’t prove how Il Divo are influenced

    by MC, since this is another HUGE LIE but ok… I

    already know you posted that to piss me off. But I am so

    used to all this. :)

    You forgot to mention gay guys, Aids and uglyness on this

    post dear. Don’t make mistakes like these. LMAO

  123. BUTTERFLY says:

    Tane,I have no problem with you and what you believe.But you are wrong to state that my arguments are lies.Tane,please,can you tell me how many singles Celine sold at the 1990’s compare with Mariah’s? Can you tell me how many singles Celine sold at the 2000’s compare with Mariah’s ?
    Tane,can you ever show me how Celine’s albums could surpass Mariah’s by 20 – 30 million???
    Tane,listen to me.Links lies and doesn’t give the truth !

    For exemple. Do you think that Celine’s The Colour Of My Love surpass Mariah Carey album when both totalize 10 million from US and Europe.Do you think that just the Canadian and Australian sales of TCOML could make it surpass MC’s that sold much more in the whole Asian continent? Do you really need a link to confirm this ?
    Do you need a link to confirm you that TEOM surpass A New Day Has Come on sales since their US + Europe sales give 7 million for TEOM and 6 million for ANDHC although we already know that TEOM surpass ANDHC in Asia ?
    Tane ,MTV Unplugged EP already sold 5 million worldwide shortly after its release in 1992.Celine Dion album was at 2 million sales worldwide since 1993.These haters said 6 – 7 million for MTV while they claim the same for CD eponymous album.Unison was stay at million sale wordwide till 1995.They claim 5 million worldwide for its today sales.When its come to Mariah,they limited her sales at the same sales they were at their release. But every Celine’s are increased by 2 or 3 times the less,even her flopped albums that are not popular at all.THis is the tricks that used to explain Celine’s 1990’s albums surpass Mariah’s cause they were counted by late.Do you really swallow this bullsh**? Tane,Celine has just 1 biggest album rival of Mariah ‘s that surpass one of Mariah at 1990’s.This is Let’s Talk About Love that surpass Daydream. Music Box equals Falling Into You.All others Mariah’s 1990’s surpass all Celine’s 1990’s albums.No matter what claim links,sources,lists,ranks,Institutions,etc… Mariah’s 1990 albums surpass Celine’s !
    Now Tane,how could you explain Celine outsold Mariah by 25- 30 million albums ? Do you believe it just because you read it on some links? You are wrong my dear.Celine doesn’t surpass Mariah even by 5 – 10 million album.Wake up !

  124. The Reason says:

    Just to make it clear. Il Divo are not really influenced

    by any of these as they are pop-opera singers, which

    has nothing to do with what Celine, Mariah and Whitney

    sing. It is more likely to have Luciano Pavarotti or

    Andrea Boceli as an influence but definitely NOT

    pop/rnb singers.

    Think Mariah as an influence is a big joke. They don’t

    use any of Mariah’s singing styles.

    – They Don’t Use Melisma

    – They Don’t Use Vocal Runs at all

    – They Don’t try to sound rnb or soul.

    – They belong to a different genre.

    – No of them uses the lower register often.

    – They don’t use Mariah’s style of playing with notes,

    (up and down) like she did on ”O Holy Night” for

    instance.

    They obviously have much respect for these women so

    they coverd their songs. Showing respect has nothing to

    do with influence.

    – As I already explained that’s not the case with

    Leona and Kelly singing Celine songs because they

    actually didn’t own their versions. They used the

    exact same notes, belted at the exact same points

    and sustained notes at the parts where Celine did so.

    Their versions were Karaoke-ish. Moreover both of them

    have mentioned Celine is a vocal influence. – Just not

    to the level Mariah is.

    I made everything clear now. Only a dumbass wouldn’t

    get my points. :D

  125. BUTTERFLY says:

    @What the What:
    This is not you that could say me what to do.Are you a judge? Why do you still after my post ? Very dear,if you got brain,you should know that IFPI doesn’t give proofs for its claims on Nana 200 million albums.this is not me you can accuse.You must question IFPI lies ! Not my arguments that brought light on this ! You just try to trap me,but you are wrong.I just show IFPI lies on Nana’s sales ! Who could say that I am wrong ??? I you think that I was wrong,just prove Nana’s 200 million albums sales worldwide.End Of Story …
    At least,MTV is a musical institution,but what do you say about Guinness that have nothing to do with sales count? Besides,I never based my solid arguments on MTV,I am not stupid.
    I don’t have to give you any link,since I don’t base my arguments on “links” but on facts.links doesn’t mean “facts”,links biase facts very often.
    If Let’s Talk About Love HAS sold 1 million in Brazil,Music Box sold 10 million in that country!
    This is so simple.
    About what I said “I don’t have to prove it since you never proved your lies about Celine equals Mariah on single sales at 1990’s and 2000’s” I didn’t adress this to you,but to Lucky Luke.So,let him answer to me by is own cause I don’t want to answer to his lawyers ,ok? You are most Immature than me when you come here to defend Lucky Luke and other Mariah’s haters without even try to use a little bit of neutrality !
    My life is my own problem,don’t worry about it.You’d better worried about yours and your allies.ok?You are not enough to dissed me.Try again.Your opinion is just stupid and silly !

  126. Butterfly says:

    Christian is imitating Mariah ! She does exactly the same vocals than Mariah in many of her songs !She just can”t reach Mariah’s perfection,but she emulates her. Her uns sounds like Mariah’s.And many of her belts sounds just like Whitney’s ! You try to confound us,cause Christina can’t reach Mariah’s vocals at 100 % !Maybe you just hate Christina Aguilera, Anyway,her voice and sing skills are 100 times better than Celine’s.She’s closest to Mariah in voice than Celine,sorry liar.

  127. Butterfly says:

    Abourt Charice ,a phillipian poster said us that MC is Charice’s influence.That’s is way mor e reliable than anything you could find in the internet.

  128. The Reason says:

    LEARN HOW TO READ ! You talked about styles.

    I never questioned Mariah’s influence on Xtina.

    Celine could slay Christina vocally anytime. Christina

    doesn’t sing notes, she strains them. Why would I hate

    Christina ? She can’t reach Celine and Mariah – my

    faves – on any level.

    Stop asking people questions and prove us how MC sells

    300m records, when ALL Sources show 200-220m the most.

    You are the one who contradicts so the burden of proof

    falls on your side. You claim 200m for Celine and I say

    230m, so no big deal on that. This difference of 30m

    seems indiferent and irrelevant if you put it next to

    the 80m difference on MC sales. THAT’S THE PROBLEM HERE.

    YOU LYING BIG TIME ON MARIAH’S SALES ! AND DENYING ALL

    REAL FACTS OF HER CAREER.

    You don’t trust links but facts ?

    Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha !!!

    What Facts ? DEFINE the word ”Fact” and then bring

    your ”facts” if you dare.

    No need to repeat that I contradict with no sources.

    No need to repeat I have proved almost everything but

    you just choose to ignore them.

    Once again ! GIVE THE DEFINITION OF ”FACTS” AND

    BRING THEM HERE. LOL

    Keep amusing me !

    And if we had to say something on your life the best

    thing we could do to describe it would be to say

    nothing. Pure silence. As you don’t have a real life.

    You live like a psycho parasite. LMAO ! Nobody here

    really cares about you and none of my fave singers would

    ever care to reply to you since they don’t give a sh**

    on your sad existence.

  129. The Reason says:

    ”a phillipian poster said us that MC is Charice’s influence”

    Ha ha ha ! WHAT A LIE ! Who the fu** is he ?

    Anything I find on the internet ? Internet ?

    Wake up ! It is a video from Oprah show. Oprah Show

    is in REAL LIFE !!!

    Open you ears to hear what Charice said that night. Look

    how she cried once she saw Celine on screen. Open your

    eyes to see the painting she did, showing herself and

    Celine huging each other. See how many times she has

    been covering Celine songs. Her fave song ever is a

    Celine song.

    You are dead and gone, bitch.

  130. The Reason says:

    ”If Let’s Talk About Love HAS sold 1 million in Brazil,Music Box sold 10 million in that country!
    This is so simple.”

    If Music Box sold 10m in that country then Lets Talk

    About sold 30m in that country.

    Look at you. How pathetic. Denying even Celine’s

    Million certifications. LMAO. What a weirdo.

  131. What the what?? says:

    Who are you to tell me I can’t reply on posts that are not directed to me? YOU have been doing this for a year. Again, you ignored my questions for you. Once more, learn HOW to read! I have never said ANYTHING about Nana’s sales. I used it as an example from one of YOUR posts! MTV was just an example dear. If links are biased, then where do you get your infos from? You also claimed that magazines are biased! You say you just state the facts, nothing from links, but you have to get your infos from SOMEWHERE! From your imagination? I’M immature? You’re the one who keeps on insulting everyone, even Mariah fans, when they admit Celine has sold more than her!
    “If Let’s Talk About Love HAS sold 1 million in Brazil,Music Box sold 10 million in that country!”PLEASE tell me how this makes sense at all?!?!? You have used this logic numbers of times, and yet it has never made any sense!
    Why am I still after your posts? Why are YOU still here? This is only my third post, when you must have posted at least 100 posts! I have already answered that question in my other 2 posts!
    You say I’m not enough to diss you. And this is coming from someone who can’t prove their “facts”, who can’t answer any of the questions given to her, and who keep giving us multiple answers for every question!

  132. The Reason says:

    Still waiting for the definition of the word FACTS.

    Once someone uses a word they must be in position to
    explain it.

    Still waiting for sales estimations and certifications
    of Mariah’s first 5 singels to begin the whole singles
    debate. So don’t say I try to avoid the topic. I am here
    and totally ready to prove my statements. But we will do
    it step by step.

    Now you go first. I am clear :

    1) Explain FACTS.

    2) Bring Certifications & Estimations on singles from

    Mariah debut.

  133. Butterfly says:

    Christina sings notes way better than Celine.She has much more vocal techniques than Celine and outsang her effortless.
    I repeat,links are not facts.How a link could mean a fact? Check an encyclopedia for the meaning of the word if you don’t know it,this is not mem that is allowed to give you its meaning!

  134. The Reason says:

    I am still laugh at how you are ready to swallow

    everything that ”proves” Mariah’s superiority.

    Once someone said he is from Philipines you just BELIEVED

    all his facts. When official sources and media post

    the truth they lie. LMAO How biased. Believing a person

    behind a PC while being sceptic on all sources, just

    because it seems convinient.

    No need to mention that another person claimed to be

    from Philipines and called Mariah a pig and totally

    flopped and uknown there.

    See POST 67. Do you also believe that guy from

    Philipines like you believed the other one ?

    I bet you don’t, cause it is not convinient anymore,

    right ?

    LOL You are a pathetic biased sad excuse for a fan.

  135. BUTTERFLY says:

    Celine has just more success than Christina, and is also older but Christina has a better voice by very far ! Your preference toward Celine can’t change this ! About Charice The fact is that Celine as zero influence on her ! Charice just like her .Celine just had a few artists that respect her ,and that perform some good songs created by composers and producers, that Celine had perform before them .
    You said nobody cares about what I said ,I don’t care about them as well.I post my posts in the blog,that’s all.I don’t post them because of anyone.Besides,why do you have to reply since nobody cares about what I said ? You just want to lose your time here ?Is this Because you have no life? How a normal guy that have a life could ever stand behind he’s pc everyday,everytime by posting lies and craps.That’s what you call having a life?
    Yes,Let’s Talk About Love could sold 30 million in Brazil only in the links,since Brazilian people doesn’t know Celine at all,neither her music.But in the reality,only Mariah Carey sold impressive amount of albums there for being known and popular there ! Celine’s achievements stay in links while Mariah’s are in the concret reality !
    I prefer being a bitch,rather than having Celine’s life.What meaning got a woman life without love? Poor Celine,she’s extremely rich,but still ignore the true feelings of love and sex…LMAO ! How a woman could ever be in love with an old ,delicate and sick man?

  136. The Reason says:

    Tell me which facts you trust. You used the word so you

    explain it to me.

    Go on and bring certifications and estimations on

    Mariah’s debut singles so we talk on single sales.

    Christina doesn’t sing. She screams with a high larynx

    position which indicates straining. She uses unhealthy

    technique. Celine could slay her anytime. Christina

    uses her throat to hit simple B4 notes. Pathetic.

    But I guess you don’t understand what I am explaining.

    Charice is influenced by Celine and I have proved it.

    She said it herself. Did you see the video or not ?

    The video is from real life.

    I don’t know WHY THE FU** you insist on that since

    I have said many many many times that Mariah has a

    bigger vocal influence.

    Celine is in love with Rene as she even gave up her

    career in 1999/2000 to stand by him. Her life is full

    of love, happiness and positivity.

    Your life is full of hatred towards people.

    If you had a normal life you wouldn’t feel the need to

    mock artists.

    If you were smart you would first try to educate yourself

    You can’t even speak proper English, which is THE

    Universal language. How pathetic.

    Your life choice is to be here and post crap, while you

    had the chance to improve yourself. Still you prefer to

    live like a psychotic uneducated animal. The fact that

    you insult Celine makes you Celine’s bitch, nothing more

    or less. Beside being Celine’s bitch, you are also

    Mariah’s goat (not lamb really!) as you said Mariah sold

    over 200m albums, while posting 160m+ per country.

    How silly. You don’t even know maths. :/ Poor thing.

    Hope you lose your virginity soon. :) You will calm down.

    ???? ??? ??????? ???? ??????? ! <3

  137. The Reason says:

    @ what the what

    You have been owning that stupid whale’s ass. I think

    I could retire if I new you’d be around here. LOL

    Look how she avoids answering… I LOVE IT WHEN SHE

    DOES THAT. PROVES SHE CAN’T REPLY. THIS FEELING IS

    PRICELESS. She has been avoiding my questions since

    August. LOL Sometimes I feel sorry for her :( but

    what can I do…I have to be harsh with idiots.

    School her !

  138. BUTTERFLY says:

    Celine can’t reach Christina’s notes,don’t lie on this since everyone can listen on their respective songs.Christina’s belts are not as predictable and inflexible as Celine’s.Christina also have much better soft notes than Celine.No matter if she screams with a large larynx since her belts and high notes sound straight and amazing unlike Celine’s that screams with her nose and that sound so nasal and so stiff! Christina is way better !
    About virginity? You consider virginity as a handicap? I don’t think so.Even if I am not virgin,I consider it as a precious gift.Maybe you consider it as a handicap because you’re still a virgin that is so frustrated and so angry against normal people.Fortunately,I have no problem on that,dont worry.Celine still virgin till the time she gave birth to Rene-Charles,since she never ever get a sexual intercourse with a man during her whole life.She has just her money and her Awards to hug and kiss!

  139. BUTTERFLY says:

    I am the one who takes and assume everything I wrote here, without the need to be criticized by anybody else.I do it when I want and while.No matter if I do it for a year,10 years,100 years,etc…This is my problem,not yours.
    Who are you to dare reprimand me?
    Who are you to reply on posts that are not directed to you ? I have been doing this for a year.SO WHAT ??? What is your problem on this?
    Who said that Mariah has sold 300 million albums ? Learn how to read yourself before to jump on people then spread your critic material.
    About links,yes I assume that most of them are biased ( every links used by Mariah’s haters here).Infos already existed before internet and links! Mariah’s haters themselves always refute the few links giving by a few lambs in that debate,saying they are biased.I don’t trust any info (not just links) that is based on estimation.This is so easy to be partial and subjective when a info is just based on estimations.That’s why I always claim Mediatrafic,IFPI,Billboard,etc… are not reliable since their datas lies on estimations.I even gave many proves about some huge mistakes and partialities that huge institutions like IFPI and Guinness already did at the past.That’s why I refered to Nana’s sales.There is a HUGE difference between a institution that count sales and certifies albums and singles sales based on their real counts and some institutions that certifies albums and singles just on some estimations base.I don’t remember that I’d ever express myself about magazines.
    I insult people when they want to impose me their own arguments as established facts while they even refuse to understand mines that they claim coming from my imagination.You first called me immature,but I think that you are.Otherwise,you should show much more neutrality on what you say about my posts and those of my opponents.I didn’t insult Mariah’s fans, when they admit Celine has sold more than her! There is only one Mariah fan in that debate that claim Celine outsold Mariah in albums,this is Tane.I never insulted Tane,even when she returns with her arguments.Tane herself can’t say that I ever insulted her.She’s the only one regular Mariah fan (after me)that still post comments in the debate.So,don’t accuse me to insult Mariah’s fans,I am not stupid.
    About the brazilian sales of Let’s Talk About Love,I return you your question : “PLEASE tell me how this makes sense at all?!?!? ” I check many differnt sources,but never,ever I didn’t see LTAL reach million sales in Brazil ! This is so funny ! I am sure that already exist a link claiming 30 million sales for this album in Brazil as said the other hater…
    Why I’m still here? You’d better question the other debaters this same question,I am not the only one debater here.Why they are still here ? Why do you question me about it? This is an examination? Who are you ?
    Maybe this is only your third post, when I must have posted at least 100 posts! But,I am not the only one that have posted at least 100 posts ! Why do you question me like this ? This is a debate about Celine Dion and Mariah Carey.What do you want from me ?
    Yes,I said that you are not enough to diss me.You have a problem with it ?
    You said “this is coming from someone who can’t prove their “facts”, who can’t answer any of the questions given to her, and who keep giving us multiple answers for every question!”
    “giving us” So,you identify you clearly as one of my opponents.So,how could you adress me your nil critics? You are not better than them.
    First,I always prove everything I claim here unlike “your allie” that try to reduce every facts on crap links.
    Second,you are not in the place to judge about my arguments and posts since you clearly identify you as a opponent.
    Let me tell you very dear,find something else to do,cause your little speech doesn’t impress me at all.

  140. MOFF says:

    It’s you who are going on my nerves.
    You gave NO proofs. Which sources do you trust at all?
    Tell me?

    I have mediatraffic, IFPI, Guinness and particular links.

    You ?

  141. What the what?? says:

    Read post 101, where YOU clearly say that Mariah sold 300 million. You keep contradicting with yourself and you don’t even know it! I’m STILL waiting for your answer on the perfumes. You said in post 322 in the continuation of this discussion that “Mariah’s perfume Lollipop Bling is nominated for Fifi Award ! Any Celine perfume hadn’t nominated !” LEt me list all the awards won or nominated for Celine’s fragrances from her first to last.

    2004 FiFi Award for Women’s Fragrance of the Year – Popular Appeal (Celine Dion Parfums)
    2004 Cosmetic Executive Women Beauty Award for Women’s Scent (Celine Dion Parfums)
    2006 FiFi Award for Women’s Fragrance of the Year – Popular Appeal (Celine Dion Belong)
    2006 FiFi Award for Best Packaging – Women’s Popular Appeal (Celine Dion Belong)
    2007 FiFi Award for Women’s Fragrance of the Year – Popular Appeal (Always Belong)
    2007 FiFi Award for Best Packaging – Women’s Popular Appeal (Always Belong)
    2007 French Fragrance Industry – Best Female Fragrance Launch in Mass Distribution in 2006 (Enchanting)
    2008 FiFi Award for Women’s Fragrance of the Year – Popular Appeal (Enchanting)
    2008 Shape of Beauty Aware for Mood Boosting Fragrance of the Year (Sensational)
    2009 FiFi Award for Women’s Fragrance of the Year – Popular Appeal (Sensational)
    You said Billboard was one that couldn’t be trusted, but on the continuation of this discussion, you kept reffering to some of your facts to Billboard!
    If YOU don’t think it’s not my buisness to ask you why you reply on posts that are not directed to you, then it shouldn’t be your buisness asking me! STOP CONTRADICTING WITH YOURSELF!!
    Yes, facts can come from somewhere besides links or magazines, but you have to get it somewhere? What? Did you call Mariah’s and Celine’s labels and ask them their records? Give me a name! JUST a name of where you got this from!
    You don’t insult Mariah fans? Oh really? Posts 72 and 76. READ IT!
    There you go again! You checked many sources and couldn’t find 1 million sold in Brazil! What were the sources?!?!?! I found it on my first search!
    Why am I still here? I have answered that question TWICE! I don’t think you can read.
    And you’re no better than us!
    “Second,you are not in the place to judge about my arguments and posts since you clearly identify you as a opponent.” And you are clearly not in the place to judge about my arguments and posts, and for that matter, any of the replies posted by Celine fans because you identify YOURSELF as an opponent!
    You have said you don’t hate Celine! But then why do you keep calling her offensive naes? Like Ugline Oldion?? You see, calling names makes you look like a bigger fool than you already are!
    Might want to learn a bit more English dear.

  142. The Reason says:

    ‘No matter if she screams with a large larynx since her belts and high notes sound straight and amazing”

    -> Music theory proves you wrong. Singing with a high

    larynx = 0 resonance , strain and harms vocal cords. And

    Christina does that on simple Bb4 notes. Celine never

    strains unless she reaches the E5 notes. You know nothing

    on music theory. And what you said ”screaming = straight

    and amazing belts” confirms my theory and gives an end

    to vocal discussion.

    ”Celine still virgin till the time she gave birth to Rene-Charles,since she never ever get a sexual intercourse with a man ”

    -> Yes, that makes you sound normal.

    ”This is my problem,not yours”

    -> Yes, it is a big problem and I am free to mention it

    as much as I like. If you don’t like hearing about it,

    do something to change it. Othewise, you have to tolerate

    my comments somehow.

    ”I don’t trust any info (not just links) that is based on estimation”

    -> You are a big liar, cause you have been doing nothing

    but bringing your own inflated estimations. So don’t

    LIE to us that you don’t trust estimations. Wikipedia

    estimations has been your only weapon for over a year.

    LIAR.

    ”they claim coming from my imagination”

    -> I am sorry but it is pretty much logical thinking you

    create stuff since you have been asked in a POLITE way

    (initially) to post your references and you can’t. Of

    course it is a result of your imagination saying MC

    sold over 40m or 50m or 60m albums in Asia, AFTER you had

    clearly said you didn’t know sh** on her Asian sales.

    ”There is only one Mariah fan in that debate that claim Celine outsold Mariah”

    And 95% of lambs in real life admit that. Just check her

    FAN MADE sites. They exist even per country. People

    don’t have a problem on this cause it is not a big deal.

    Or check her management teams acclaims, the ones MC and

    whole media world and industry accept.

    ”I check many differnt sources,but never,ever I didn’t see LTAL reach million sales in Brazil ! ”

    Ok. Mention me 3 of these ”many” sources. I bet you

    can’t cause you lied, like you had lied about checking

    sources on Nana’s sales. But you see I am being nice

    right ? You said ”many” and I only ask for 3 :)

    ”I always prove everything I claim here.”

    No, you don’t. We are not a team of idiots to tell you

    you haven’t proved a thing. How do you dare

    using the word ”prove” when you claim 200m albums

    contradicting with all sources ? and ok you don’t trust

    sources, I see. How do dare to say you proved everything

    when you used to post 160m sales per market and that is

    changed to 200m ? 40m is a HUGE difference by the way. I

    have been repeating this and you keep avoiding it.

    – To put is simple : I have an OPEN MIND to understand

    people that don’t trust sources because many of these

    REALLY make mistakes. What I DON’T understand is having

    a person LYING that what her posts are the result of

    researching the facts. That is a big lie ! And I mean

    LIE ! NO FACT PROVE MARIAH’S SALES. Simple as that.

    As of your insults…mentioning AIDS ? Attacking Gays ?

    Attacking Age ? Attacking personal choices of women that

    never harmed you ? You can’t drop any lower than this.

    Only people having personal problems and insecurities

    have the tedency to mock and insult. Sorry…

    And by the way…her ”little speech” owned you.

    Like usual.

  143. The Reason says:

    @ Everyone

    I had already replied on Celine’s Fragrances Awards and

    Nominations on POST 5. Someone can’t read…or

    comprehend.

    Celine in 00s :

    – Sold Over 7.000.000 high priced tickets in 6 years.

    – Grossed over $522.000.000 from concerts.

    – Made over $226.000.000 from album sales.

    – Grossed $850.000.000 in parfumes.

    – Sold 4m+ Dvds from 2007-2011.

    – Currently she has the biggest contract for an

    entertainment live deal in music history. Grossed

    $14.000.000+ by doing 20 sold out recidency shows.

    – She has a strong, stable contract with Sony Bmg.

    – Her shows for early 2012 are already on sales.

    FACTS people. Real FACTS.

    latimesblogs.latimes.com/music_blog/2010/01/celine-dion-reaches-peak-of-the-decades-ultimate-top-10.html

  144. BUTTERFLY says:

    I don’t understand,why do you answer to me Moff ? Did I adress a post to you? Are you under What The What nickname? How could you said “It’s you who are going on my nerves.”??? Is this a plot against me?
    You still repeat I gave no proofs,but which sources did you give ? Sorry Moff,IFPI and Mediatric doesn’t count sales,they are based on estimations.I have RIAA that really count sales in US! IFPI even doesn’t count sales in Europe while it make statements on worldwide sales of artists…LMAO ! This is so delusional !

    Learn how to read my dear.In my post 101,I meant 300 record sales for Mimi,(200 million albums and 100 million Singles)not 300 million albums.I didn’t contradict with myself.If you had really read my comments you would seen that I always demand 200 million albums for Mariah,not 300 million ones.Now,who have the need to learn how to read ? Surely not me !
    You are STILL waiting for my answer on the perfumes? Hahaha ! You are so funny ! What do you could prove else after Celine’s perfumes? Her Show at Las Vegas ? Dear honey,this debate is about Musical achievements.If you don’t have any achievement to prove your idol worth something,don’t try to take advantage on her perfumes,ok? When I said Celine doesn’t have a nominated perfume,I talked for the year 2011,not on the past ! This is so hopeless to stay on this.Perfumes sales doesn’t includes on musical records sales.ok?
    You prove one more time that you don’t know how to read.I said Billboard is reliable in the case of Charts,but not on the sales question since Billboard doesn’t count sales.It make estimation like IFPI and Mediatrafic.
    Yes I refered to Mariah’s achievements and records at Billboard ( Number 1 hits,her records by producing and composing songs)!

  145. BUTTERFLY says:

    Facts can be explain only by relevant certifications.(RIAA certifications,World Music Award per album)Not a sudden award like the delusional Chopard Award,or some foolish IFPI and Guinness citations.
    You are really funny to call the delusional ones of posts 72 and 73 ” Mariah fans” I am not stupid.I can recognize a Mariah fan by just he’s first comment.Only Tane is a Mariah fan here since Momo,Carla,Gambit,Shannon,etc…
    Besides,how can you say that I insulted those debaters ( 72 and 73) I await you to show me how I insulted them ! You really need to learn how to read my dear !
    You really proved that you are worse than me on reading !

  146. BUTTERFLY says:

    Don’t confound me,I said that I never see Let’s Talk About Love reach million sales in Brazil.Not that Celine doesn’t totalize million sales there.
    I never judge Celine fans posts,I just refute some arguments and lies posted by them.Then posted true datas and sales.
    I don’t hate Celine and I didn’t insult her.Calling her ugly and old is not mad since she really is in facts !
    You called me fool? Hahaha! you are more fool than me by jumping in the debate when you don’t even understand nothing on what is discussed here.
    About my english,don’t worry,this is not my native language.At least,I am able to take part in this blog in .I don’t think that you could ever integrate a french language blog or a danish language one.I also read and wrote Spanish and german languages.Don’t ridiculize my English cause I am way better than you in different languages mastered !

  147. MOFF says:

    So you trust RIAA and World Music Award, then tell me please how do you “form” the sales of Mariah by these 2 sources. Do it, please.

  148. BUTTERFLY says:

    Blablabla…Dear Lucky Luke,you just make people laugh when you think that you are an expert just because you use some technical terminologies…Bb4 notes,E5 notes,blabla…You just fail.
    Christina is way better than Celine as vocalist.Celine couldn’t do even the half of what Christina is able to do.Delusional fanatic ! face the reality.Christina go higher and lower than Celine.Moreover,she has a much more flexible voice and a much more wider vocal range.Using words as bb2, E5 notes can’t make Celine better.Sorry,even if I prefer celine’s songs,I am objective enough to say that Christina has a better voice than Celine.
    Besides,who cares if Celine use larynx,if Celine use her nose,etc… in songs? What is matter is the vocal quality of songs and Christina’s songs have a better quality than Celine’s.This is all the truth.

    ”Celine still virgin till the time she gave birth to Rene-Charles,since she never ever get a sexual intercourse with a man ”

    This is not by my fault if Celine doesn’t know what is called love and sex.Don’t blame me honey.So,move on this.

    You can say anything you want about your crap accusations on Wikipedia,etc…I have nothing to justify since all my arguments lies on truth !
    DON’T DARE CALL ME LIAR ! OK ?
    Anyway I could never equal you on lies and tricks ! you are the deserving champion Lucky Luke.
    Yes,there is only Tane that claim Celine outsold Mariah in this debate.
    In real life 99% of Celine’s fans admit that Mariah surpass her on everything,including records sales !

    I said no institution doesn’t count Mariah’s sales in the whole asia continent.Then,I state that Mariah sold over 50 million albums in Asia according to her huge popularity and success there.What is hurting you on this ?
    You said that ; “I don’t have a problem on this cause it is not a big deal.” So,why do you still fight with me about this and never stopped to post comments?

    About Nana’s sales.I was more than right.She has’nt even crap sources and partial links to support her delirium sales unlike Madonna and Celine that have so much.otherwise,you would be more than happy tobring them here and prove me wrong.
    All of you are delusional here !

  149. The Reason says:

    ”If you had really read my comments you would seen that
    I always demand 200 million albums for Mariah”

    -> BIG LIE. Your sales per markets stated Mariah

    sold 160m albums+

    ”Dear honey,this debate is about Musical achievements”

    -> No. This debate is about success. Everything that

    proves their success is relevant.

    ”World Music Award per album”

    LMAO. How manipulative. Celine’s award was NOT suudden.

    Everything is explained.

    ”I said that I never see Let’s Talk About Love reach

    million sales in Brazil”

    -> You said none of your sources showed 1m in Brazil

    for this album. And you don’t mention the sources.

    Fell in your trap again ? Yes.

    ”Christina is way better than Celine as vocalist.Celine couldn’t do even the half of what Christina is able to do”

    -> No. Celine slays Christina in singing. Aren’t you the

    same idiot that said straining is powerful singing ? Yes.

    Dismissed.

    And the notes I know are part of my music knowledge. You

    lack any music information so you stop right here.

    ”Vocal Quality in songs” Oh you are really stupid.

    Everything Christina can do, Celine can do it better with

    no strain, double resonance, without hurting her vocal

    cords and sounding like a female not a man. It is not by

    chance Celine uses her instrument for over 32 years. If

    her singing technique was bad – or worse than Xtina’s –

    she couldn’t sing a single note.

    ”This is not by my fault if Celine doesn’t know
    what is called love and sex. Don’t blame me honey.So,move on this.”

    LMAO ! Show us your pic, bitch to see how beautiful are.

    ”You can say anything you want about your crap
    accusations on Wikipedia,etc…I have nothing to justify
    since all my arguments lies on truth !”

    Silly accusations ? No. I proved my point giving many

    arguments at the other debate. Once you were called out

    on sth you could only reply based on the limited

    Wikipedia info. #EXPOSED

    ”DON’T DARE CALL ME LIAR ! OK ?”

    Ouch. Well..You are a big fat manipulative lying freak.

    ”In real life 99% of Celine’s fans admit that Mariah
    surpass her on everything,including records sales !”

    LMAO

    – The industry awarded Celine.

    – The media hail Celine.

    – The press writes on Celine.

    – Mariah’s labels and sites and managers say she sold 200m.

    – All sources on internet show Celine ahead.

    LOL Funny how Celiniacs tell the opposite ! xa xa xa !

    Maybe you should take a look at how many people have been

    dissing your total bullacrap. I could mention 15.

    ”I said no institution doesn’t count Mariah’s
    sales in the whole asia continent.Then,I state that Mariah sold over 50 million albums in Asia according
    to her huge popularity and success there”

    You have a weak memory. You said you don’t know and then

    repeated your fake estimations. And you can’t support

    your thought to huge ”popularity and success”

    because this is what we need to prove : her success.

    Ok imbecill ?

    About Nana’s sales : The issue is that you LIED that you

    trusted sources. You followed 0 sources, just your

    deluded mind as usual and then LIED that you did your

    research.

    And for your info…neither Mariah does have crap sources

    to support your delirium. #FAIL

    Finally —> Me saying 230m for Celine and you 200m for

    her is not big deal and in case you haven’t noticed I

    haven’t insisted that much on this. The problem is YOU

    saying Mariah sold 300m. I have at least 7 sources that

    say the opposite. Mariah’s sources, I mean. The ones

    she accepts as well. So the burden of proof falls on

    your side. Think of it.

  150. The Reason says:

    Your arguments don’t lie on truth. Everything you post

    is the result of your sick mind. Do us a favour and

    run loose on a freeway, bitch.

  151. What the what?? says:

    Oops, I meant sales records. Either way, it’s way off. Think before you speak. English is my second language too. And I could say the same to you, saying “I don’t think that you could ever integrate a Japanese language blog.I also read and write in Spanish and french languages.Don’t ridiculize my English cause I am way better than you in different languages mastered!” this is all in your words, taking out the languages you wrote in. And I will repeat what The Reason said. Define fact! Looking ugly and old is not a fact, but an opinion.
    True datas and sales? And yet you can’t give me ONE simple source??? You keep ignoring all my questions directed to you but you can answer some questions given to you by someone else?
    You’re telling me I need to read? You can’t even properly read the right posts I gave you to read. And I can tell if someone hates or is a fan of Celine. And you’re a hater.
    This is not just about musical achievements. If it was, you wouldn’t have brought up anything about Celine’s love life. Actually, this doesn’t even have ANYTHING with her success. Don’t assume anything. Because you are so wrong. I bet you don’t even have a bf. You gotta read better. You posted the post that talked about perfumes in 2010. Obviously, you couldn’t have talked about 2011.
    You’re really embarrassing yourself here! Yeah yeah, I’m embarrassing myself. Such a stupid comeback.

  152. What the what?? says:

    whoops. I mean numbers of the posts

  153. WORLD MUSIC AWARDS / RIAA says:

    @ GUTTERFLY

    You said we should judge by World Music Award per album

    Here : Mariah :

    WORLD MUSIC AWARDS 1995 – About the Year 1994

    1.Best Selling American Recording Artist

    2.Best Selling World Recording Artist

    3.Best Selling Pop Artist

    WORLD MUSIC AWARDS 1996 – About Year 1995

    1.Best Selling Female R&B Artist

    2.Best Selling Overall Female Recording Artist

    3.Best Selling Female Pop Artist

    4.Best Selling American Female Recording Artist

    WORLD MUSIC AWARDS 1998 – About Year 1997

    1.Female Entertainer of The Year

    2.Best Selling Female Soul/R&B Artist

    3.Best Selling Artist of the 90’s (CAREER AWARD)

    WORLD MUSIC AWARDS 2000

    1.Best Selling Female Artist of the Millennium ***

    2.Best Selling R&B Female

    WORLD MUSIC AWARDS 2005 – About Year 2005

    1.Best Comeback of the Year

    2.Best Selling Pop Female Artist

    4.Best Selling R&B Artist

    5.Female Entertainer Of The Year

    6.We Belong Together World’s Most-Played Single

    WORLD MUSIC AWARDS 2008

    1.Special Achievement Award (18 Number 1s)

    ——————————————->

    THREE of her albums were the reason she recieved the

    ”best seller” awards per year.

    – Music Box (1995)

    – Daydream (1997)

    – TEOM (2005)

    Ok ? I played with YOUR rules.

    Why would this impress me ? ? ?

    Celine won same awards :

    World’s Overall Best Selling Recording Artist of the year

    (1997)

    World’s Best Selling Female Pop Artist (1999)

    World’s Best-Selling Female Pop Artist (2000)

    —————————————–>

    So they have same amount of ”Awards per year.”

    FIRST FAIL. EPIC FAIL cause that was your only argument.

    Now Take Note :

    If we base our thoughts on World Music Awards in general

    that means Celine wins again cause she was the last to

    recieve a Career award. If you call this irrelevant that

    would be mean that World Music Awards are not to be

    trusted in general.

    YOU USE TO MAKE GENERAL COMMENTS FROM SPECIFIC FACTS :

    Like you did with IFPI. You judged the instituion

    as biased and partial (GENERAL COMMENT)

    because of the whole Nana’s sales stuff (SPECIFIC FACT)

    Therefore IF Celine’s Award is irrelevant (SPECIFIC FACT)

    that means World Music Awards in general are irrelevant

    (GENERAL COMMENT)

    – RIAA is not enough because it is only about Us sales.

    Besides, we know how much they sold there.

    Mariah :

    65 Platinum Album Certifications = 65m = 68m Album Sales

    15 Platinum And 13 Gold Singles = 22m = 32m Single Sales

    Celine :

    52 Platinum Certifications = 52m = 54m Album Sales

    4 Platinum And 4 Gold Singles = 6m = 12m Single Sales

    PLATINUM : The Power Of Love, It Is All Coming Back To

    Me Now, I Am Your Angel, Because You Loved Me.

    GOLD : Beauty And The Beast, All By Myself, A New Day

    Has Come and My Heart Will Go On.

    And before you start goating see that I added 11m for

    Mariah’s NOT certified singles and 6m for Celine’s. I

    don’t contradict and I am very careful with PROPORTIONS.

    With Love, The Reason <3

  154. BUTTERFLY says:

    What the what: Where do you come from? In the psychiatric hospital? You keep say that I have to learn reading while you mix everything I claimed here.
    I talk about 300 million of records,you accuse me to claim 300 million albums now you just say “I meant sales records”.Who have the need to learn how to read ? I talked about Mariah’s perfume that is nominated for the 2011 fifi Awards,but you say that I did it since 2010 ! You prove to everyone here how much you are crazy and how much you are unable to read ! You’d better buy some new glasses !
    You are still after my writing style.I don’t give a sh** about what you say on my english.This is not a grammar study or a blog about our knowledge in English language.But a blog of discussion about two artists.
    This is you that have to Think before you speak.Cause you just say the opposite of what you wanna express !
    You said ” Define fact! Looking ugly and old is not a fact, but an opinion”. Really ? Very dear,opinion become fact when everyone agree with it ! Otherwise,there wouldn’t be supermodels and sex-symbols.Who could accuse someone that say ” Heidi Klum is beautiful beside Susan Boyles that is ugly ” this is a opinion ! This is a fact for everyone ! Even Susan’s own family would agree on this ! If I say Taylor Swift is young while Barbra Streisand is old This is an universal fact for everyone,not an opinion ! So,being old ,ugly,beautiful,nasal,etc… are facts,not just opinions !
    You accuse me to be a Celine hater.I accuse you to be some Mariah haters as well !
    What I said on Celine’s love and sex concerns another Mimi hater,not you.He said me that I hate Celine just because I am frustrated and will never be in Celine’s position.I agree that I will never be as rich and as famous as celine,but I got a true life with a man to giving me love and sex,unlike her that have just her money and Awards to hug and kiss !
    I respect artists.but I don’t support when some vermins fanatic try to take me down just to lies about their idol !
    You said that you bet that I don’t have a bf ,did you mean boyfriend? Hahaha! If it about that you talked,you are just wrong.But,I can’t blame you as you can’t see me through the debate,only read my posts.In what it is difficult to have a boyfriend? Honestly,do you really think that having a boyfriend need a big deal for a girl? I am really surprise to listen this!
    Dear,I really don’t understand why you integrate this debate.If you do it just to convince me to give up,you fail honey.Trish never give up when do something as right and fair ! I will never tired to post comments like other debaters do.I will not the first to leave this debate anymore !

  155. What the what?? says:

    And you accuse me of using bad English. WOW! I couldn’t understand half of what you said. So if you don’t give a **** about it, just ignore that. Something I had to say so that maybe, you could work on it a bit more. Just because many people agree with one opinion doen’t make it a fact. Choose your words wisely, because you just proved that your 300 million sales fantasy is not a fact, since no one here believes it, and until I see some sources, it’s not even considered as a fact! Swift is young and Streisand is old. That’s a true fact because swift is now in her early 20’s and streisand is in her 60’s. But Mariah and Celine are about the same age. How does this make any sense, if you claim that Celine looks old but Mariah looks young? Because that is an opinion, not a fact. Mariah hasn’t even been nominated for an award since 2008. If that’s wrong, go a head and prove it to me. This is just a friendly statement. If I’m wrong, please prove it to me. This is all I’m going to reply, because your post had almost NOTHING to do with success. Once again, you ignored most of my success related replies.

  156. What the what?? says:

    Oops. My mistake. Mariah was nominated this year for a FiFi award. So I will admit that. See how I’m capable of admitting something? Even if it is a disadvantage to my idol?

  157. The Reason says:

    LMAO

    1) The girl already said she made a typing mistake to

    write albums instead of records. And then added that

    either way what you say is invalid. She proved her point.

    She made it clear. Want to hear her point again ? Here :

    She doesn’t think you are stupid for claiming MC sold

    300m albums. She thinks you are stupid for claiming MC

    sold 300m records. Ok now dumbass ?

    2) Only a lunatic would make a corelation between age

    and beauty to prove objectiveness. You make no sense.

    Beauty is highly subjective. Your IQ Deficiency is a

    fact.

    3) Who told you we are going to be bored to post

    comments ? I have been owning your ugly ass since

    August. You are the one who avoids replying. So the

    FAIL is all yours.

    Sit down.

    Ugly pressed narrow minded trash.

  158. BUTTERFLY says:

    World Music Award/RIAA
    Hahaha! You are really laighable ! Celine equals Mariah on amount of World Music Awards ? This is so funny ! It seems like every Celine’s achievements are increase at twice in every sources you check ! Hahaha! Let me remind you that Mrs Carey hold the record of the most World Music Awards winning EVER !
    Mimi owns 17 World Music Awards while Celine won 12 or 13 ones.Don’t try to equals her to Mimi on this,ok?
    What the what:You continue to prove how much you are unable to read.You accuse me to use bad english.I reply to you on this.Now you said that I accused you to using bad english.What that’s mean?
    About what you said on Swift -Streisand and Dion-Carey,maybe it is more obvious that Swift is young while Streisand is old.But this is a fact that Mariah really look young beside Celine that look young for EVERYONE,even her haters can’t deny it.Even if both have almost the same age,Mariah always looks much more youngest than Celine.This is not just my opinion,but a fact for everyone ! If they were not famous,people would believe easily that Celine is 10- 20 years older than Mariah ! Nobody would never agree with someone that say Celine looks more beautiful and younger than Mariah because the opposite is an obvious fact for EVERYONE.I repeat you beauty,oldness,youthness,etc. are facts.That’s why people can make difference between the persons that are young,old,beautiful,average,ugly,etc… These are much more than opinions.They are facts !

  159. MANDY says:

    World Music Award/ RIAA (Lucky Luke) said that RIAA is not enough cause it concern only sales in US.You are right,this is not enough,but I think this is why RIAA is more reliable than IFPI,Mediatrafic,etc… that states worldwide sales when they even doesn’t count the ones per continent !
    But let’s move on this.
    Let’s be honests.we all know that Mariah doesn’t sold 100 million records over Celine like claim TRISH (BUTTERFLY).But,neither Celine doesn’t sold 20 million records over Mariah.Keep our statements fair and right.Celine doesn’t really Mariah on total record sales.This is rather the opposite,let’s see:

    Now if we consider European sales (Even if IFPI is not reliable,we have no other choice).We can base Celine and Mariah’s European sales on their certifications there.
    Let’s consider Albums only:
    We will see that Celine beats Mariah with a big difference of 26 million in Europe according to IFPI albums certifications.But we know Mariah beats Celine with a respectable difference in US.

    Mariah : 65 million albums in US
    Celine : 52 million albums in US
    Celine : 54 million albums in Europe
    Mariah : 27 million albums in Europe
    Celine beats in canada.
    Mariah beats in Japan.
    Celine beats in whole Africa
    Mariah beats in whole Asia ( Japan excluded here)
    both are equals in Oceania (maybe a non significant difference ).
    Latin America ?
    West Indies ?
    Singles :
    US : Mariah wins with huge difference over Celine
    Europe: Celine wins with a moderate difference over Mariah
    Canada : Celine wins
    Japan : Mariah wins
    Africa : ?
    Asia : Mariah wins
    Oceania : Mariah wins
    Latin America : Mariah wins
    West Indies : ? Let’s be honest,its clear that Mariah sold more records worldwide than Celine.Even if Celine would beats Mariah in the countries sales are not clear,that could doesn’t make her outsold Mariah.So ,saying Celine outsold Mariah by 20 million records is a pure lie.The truth is that Mariah outsold Celine by 10 million records approximately.

  160. The Reason says:

    @ BUTTERFLY

    YOU mentioned on post 145 World Music Awards PER ALBUM !

    So I replied on World Music Awards PER Album/Year Sales.

    We didn’t talk about World Music Awards in general

    because that would be irrelevant since some of them

    are irrelevant to worldwide sales such as : comeback of

    the year or Best selling Canadian artists.

    I replied on what you said dear and I owned you. C Ya

    ugly pressed animal.

    @ Mandy

    I advice to first prove to TRISH how Mariah doesn’t

    sell 300m records, because this is the crazy thing here.

    I wouldn’t care if people thought MC outsells Celine for

    like 20m records. But 100m records over MC ? No. Sorry,

    this is the issue here, so try to school Butterfly

    insted. If you notice I haven’t been supporting Celine

    the past month. I am just taking down Butterfly’s lies

    on Mariah. We can talk on specific sales later. And there

    is nothing wrong with the IPFI certification system. It

    was Nana’s label that talked about her sales. Not IFPI.

    That was a mistake. One thing strikes me : where did u

    see that Mariah is popular in W.Indies ? I never heard of

    it.

  161. The Reason says:

    Typing Mistakes :

    * But 100m over Celine ?

    * IFPI

    Something more :

    Mariah has 16 Platinum Certifications in Europe.

    Celine has 47 Platinum Certifications in Europe.

    Over 31m difference in Europe.

    The point is the difference of sales in each market. And

    there is no market where Mariah can beat Celine for

    30m albums. LOL

    Even In Us where Mariah RULES we get a difference

    of 12m albums in SHIPMENTS. Almost covered by their

    respective success in Canada. The rest of the markets

    (Africa, L.America, Oceania) are quite irrelevant

    in record sales. So you are left with Asia. LOL

    And none of you has pointed her sales there, except

    for me and Tane. Tane brought a link that showed 18m in

    Japan and 35m in total. I know Mariah sold 18m in Japan

    and 35-40m there as well. And actually her Japanese sales

    which BY FAR the biggest Asian market – the rest are

    small – are NOT debatable. It is 18m.

    It is not by chance she was never awarded outside US. LOL

    Celine was awarded in Latin America, Canada, Europe,

    Africa AND Us of course.

    Mandy, if Mariah was THAT popular she would be able to

    sell out arenas. And she can’t cause there is no people

    demand. Simple.

  162. The Reason says:

    Celine is ugly ? Old ? LMAO !

    youtube.com/watch?v=7DrgIgnvamo

    Try again loser.

  163. The Reason says:

    TRASH can’t reply to questions. Silly.

    She questions back for things she can’t swallow.Silly +.

    She even copy pastes phrases. More silly.

    She has been exposed for her lies. Even more silly.

    She wrote two novels on personal bullacrap. Dead silly.

  164. MANDY says:

    Lucky Luke,Mariah sold more than just 40 million albums in Asia,even if we doesn’t have proofs,that doesn’t mean her sales are average there.She’s ahead every international artists ever in whole Asia.
    No,no Lucky Luke,I don’t agree with your logic that states

    “It is not by chance Mariah was never awarded outside US.”

    Celine was awarded in Latin America, Canada, Europe,

    Africa AND Us of course.

    Mandy, if Mariah was THAT popular she would be able to

    sell out arenas. And she can’t cause there is no people

    demand. Simple.
    ” You are wrong Lucky Luke.If you say so,lambs could say it’s not by nothing Celine doesn’t have Hits and doesn’t sold singles.Don’t mix musical achievements.Celine is more popular and successful on stage than Mariah.While Mariah is more popular and successful on Hit parades Charts than Celine and sells her singles much better.I could say that Celine doesn’t got hits and doesn’t sold her singles because people doesn’t demand her songs.Simple.
    Let’s stay on albums question and certifications.We all already knows Celine’s and Mariah’s certifications sales in US,Europe and in some other part of the rest of the world.They doesn’t prove that Celine could surpass Mariah’s albums even by 10 million sales.Let’s be fair Lucky Luke.
    About single certifications and sales,they show that Mariah’s singles surpass Celine’s by 20 million the very less.(But I really think 30- 40 million…Lol ).
    Ok.Mariah doesn’t surpass Madonna on record sales like claimed TRISH,but at least you should recognize that Celine doesn’t surpass Mariah’s record sales as well.This is untrue !
    Madonna
    Mariah
    Celine
    Take it easy Celiniacs,I don’t want to fight like do Trish and Lucky Luke.I just try to bring more light on the sale question.The most important is that Mariah doesn’t surpass Celine by 100 million records neither Celine doesn’t surpass Mariah’s global records !

  165. What the what?? says:

    Mandy, unless you have specific proof, you can’t say Mariah outsold Celine. It sounds like you’re unsure of some of the sales records. Mariah has outsold Celine in Asia and the US for sure, and Celine outsold Mariah in Canada, Europe, and Africa. I’m not trying to be rude or anything like that. It’s just what I think I’m hearing.

  166. The Reason says:

    I never implied Mariah is not ahead of everyone is Asia.

    If you want to prove she sold way over 40m the burden of

    proof falls on your side, not mine.

    Celine doesn’t beat MC only in tours. She also beats her

    in Dvd sales and her albums chart way stronger worldwide.

    Celine’s success in soundtracks and projects is

    unreachable and undeniable.

    You insist on MC’s success in L.America which is quite

    surreal as the only thing that comes to prove your

    statement is a radio hit in Brazil in 2009. Nothing more.

    No awards. No sales records. Mariah’s best seller this

    decade (TEOM) charted withing the top 10 in some

    L.American markets. Same goes for Africa. Celine topped

    these charts with 2 of her albums that decade. Even

    Taking Chances that was her lowest seller peaked at

    number 1 at Africa. Celine has been awarded in

    L.America, not Mariah. All Mariah’s efforts to sing

    spanish songs were panned by music critics. Everything

    you might claim about Mariah being successful in

    L.America is highly unsupported. If you support

    it somehow, I am open to listen.

    As of Mariah singles success don’t lie to me that her

    certifications prove she is ahead for 20m-40m. Get real.

    Mariah’s best selling markets in terms of singles are

    Us and Japan.

    Mariah scored 13 number 1s in Japan, which make you think

    she sold huge amount of singles there, but this is not

    true. And I am not hating on MC. Out of her 13 singles

    only 2 of them recieved certifications and sold well

    because the rest were AIRPLAY singles. Here are

    Mariah’s single sales in Japan :

    – All I Want For Christmas Is You : 2xMILLION = 2m+

    – Fantasy : Gold = 100k

    Non of her other singles were released commercially.

    Mariah’s total single sales in Japan stand at 2.5m.

    Mariah’s total single sales in Us stand at 32m.

    Mariah’s total single sales in UK stand at 6m. (Trish

    proved that one).

    Mariah’s total single sales in Oceania stand at 1.5m

    which is an IMPRESSIVE number. Let me prove it to you :

    Oceania = Australia & N.Zeland

    Australia = 8 PLATINUM SINGLES (70k) and 11 GOLD (35k)

    N.Zeland = 3 PLATINUM SINGLES (10k) and 12 GOLD (5k).

    As of Canada both MC and Celine sold nothing there.

    Actually no artist have single sales in Canada. As of

    2005, many Canadian record labels stopped releasing

    commerical singles because of low sales in that market.

    I can’t explain that. Both Celine and MC have number 1s

    there and none of them recieved a certification for

    these.

    Tell me your thoughts on these. Let’s move step by step.

    Ok ?

    And Mariah is not that huge in selling singles. She

    released 34 commercial singles this decade and 20 of them

    flopped.

    And please, don’t call me a liar cause I don’t make

    things out of my mind and I don’t support randon

    theories. I like that you can actually discuss and be

    polite and sorry if I took the hard road before.

  167. MOMO says:

    Hi lambs,hi Celiniacs ! I am very glad to come back ,but I am very surprise to find Trish and Lucky still fight about sales question ,after so many months…LMAO !
    Take it easy everyone———Lol !

    Well,Mandy I think you are right ! Celine and Mariah are almost equals on total records.But Mariah has sold a lttle bit more than Celine because of her singles that sold much better than Celine’s.

  168. The Reason says:

    @ MOMO

    Hi Momo ! :)

    That’s the issue here. Mariah’s singles didn’t sell so

    much like all of you think.

    Us : 32m

    Europe : 15m (The Most)

    Japan : 2.5m

    Oceania : 1.5m

    Canada : 1m (Let’s say)

    52m singles. Add sales from rest of Asia, Africa and

    L.America to see she sold like 55-60m. This is what I

    am saying for MONTHS. I can go on with Celine’s singles

    after we are done calculating Mariah’s.

  169. The Reason says:

    ”I could say that Celine doesn’t got hits and doesn’t sold her singles because people doesn’t demand her songs.”

    I just read this. Well, that’s not valid as long as

    people buy her albums, which include her singles/songs.

  170. BUTTERFLY says:

    What a stupid delirium ! Mariah sold 2.5 million singles in Japan? then 55 – 60 million worldwide ? Then you called me liar and delusional ?

    Let’s see celine’s singles.

    Us : 5 m

    Europe : 17m (The Most)

    Japan : 0.5m

    Oceania : 0.5m

    Canada : 1m (Let’s say)

    24m singles. Add sales from rest of Asia, Africa and

    L.America to see she sold like 25-26m.Don’t forget Celine doesn’t has million seller singles those 12 last years.Mariah sold over 70 million singles more than Celine Dion.This is all the fact !

  171. The Reason says:

    @ BUTTERFLY

    Shut the fu** up and move your retarded ass to prove me

    wrong. Stop typing messages and bring the Japanese

    certifications I ”ignore” if you want to despute

    something. No need to say that you are not in position

    to talk about singles sales since :

    – You avoid bring certifications for Mariah’s 5 singles.

    – You thought Mariah sold 6m records in UK #LOL

    – You lied about Mariah’s number 1s in Jamaica etc

    – You said Mariah sold over 50m singles in Us while RIAA
    and Billboard have proved sales of 31m by 2010. FACT

    – You kept changing your numbers for Mariah’s best
    seller -> 20m, then 12m , then 10m and so on.

    Now that I proved your inablity to talk we move on.

    Mariah is huge in Japan but Sony Bmg hardly ever

    releases singles there commercially. We all know Mariah

    and then Madonna and then Celine are the three top

    sellers in Asia and NONE of them has many

    commercial singles released there. Use your mind once.

    Madonna has 20 number 1s in Japan and biggest amount of

    these are Airplay hits, nothing more.

    And I am very right with all my claims.

    Her Oceania singles stand at 1.5m (Dead Clear)

    Her UK singles stand at 6m+ (Proved By You)

    Her Us singles stand at 32m+ (Proved RIAA, Billboard)

    Even if you put like 10m singles sold in Japan you still

    can’t prove your sh**ty theory about Mariah selling

    100m singles worldwide. All lambs here have put you in

    total shame for these pathetic biased and laughable

    figures. Same thing the whole community of lambs does

    in Mariah’s respective fansites.

    As of your Celine parody I will prove your bullcrap

    after we are done with Mariah.

    You proved nothing more. We already knew you an idiot

    psychotic low life bitch that can’t think to save her

    life.

    mariahjournal.com/infozone/charts/singles/japan/index.shtml

    Oooups ! The insect gets owned by Mariah’s fan base.

    Now go back to your basement, get your sh**ty facts and

    I’ll tell you when to come out.

    Dismissed whore.

  172. The Reason says:

    Stop bringing Celine up every time you try to reply.

    Reply with answers on Mariah and Mariah facts. Don’t

    reply with sarcasm cause that proves you are cornered

    by my logic thought and therefore try to change subject.

    The subject is Mariah’s single sales. And you have

    FAILED big time, like usual…

    Back to your basement trash.

  173. The Reason says:

    @ Everyone

    This debate goes too unless you bring facts.

    Facts : certifications, announcements, special awards.

    I don’t have much time this weak, so be specific and

    reply to questions by giving ANSWERS, not questions back.

    I will reply as soon as possible.

    @ Mandy

    Dear, ignore the haters here and tell me what you think.

  174. The Reason says:

    @ Everyone

    This debate goes too long unless you bring facts.

    Facts : certifications, announcements, special awards.

    I don’t have much time this weak, so be specific and

    reply to questions by giving ANSWERS, not questions back.

    I will reply as soon as possible.

    @ Mandy

    Dear, ignore the haters here and tell me what you think.

  175. tane says:

    oh wow, I think I was wrong when I said this debate was like finally over! oh well it will never be over:/

    ok Celine Dion has sold more records than Mariah, but I’m a huge lamb so please dobnt diss miss Mariah Carey!

    hmmm the Asian sales I think Mariah Carey has sold 50 million albums there, and 2.4 million singles says her daily journal!

    heres some proof

    SINGLE [International Airplay] PEAK POSITION SALES
    Vision Of Love #1 Not released
    Love Takes Time ? Not released
    Someday ? 25,000
    I Don’t Wanna Cry ? Not released
    Emotions #1(3 Weeks) 10,000
    Can’t Let Go #2 Not released
    Make It Happen #22 Not released
    I’ll Be There #1(2 Weeks) Not released
    Dreamlover #1 Not released
    Hero #1 30,000
    Without You #1 Not released
    Anytime You Need A Friend ? 75,000
    Endless Love #2 Not released
    All I Want For Christmas (Is You) #1(4 Weeks) 2,000,000
    Fantasy #1(4 Weeks) 100,000
    One Sweet Day #4 10,000
    Always Be My Baby #10 10,000
    Honey #1(3 Weeks) 25,000
    Butterfly #9 Not released
    Sweetheart #34 Not released
    I Still Believe #17 Not released
    When You Believe #1(4 Weeks) 40,000
    Heartbreaker #1(3 Weeks) 30,000
    Thank God I Found You #19 Not released
    Against All Odds #41 5,000
    Loverboy #1(2 Weeks) 10,000
    Never Too Far #5 Not released
    Reflections #19 Not released
    Don’t Stop #62 Not released
    Through The Rain #2 25,000
    Boy (I Need You) #81 Not released
    You Make Me Wanna #77 Not released
    It’s Like That #1(2 Weeks) 10,000
    We Belong Together #34 Not released
    Shake It Off #51 Not released
    Don’t Forget About Us #57 Not released
    Say Somethin’ #80 Not released
    Touch My Body #5 Not released
    Bye Bye #73 Not released
    I’ll Be Lovin’ U Long Time #27 Not released
    Obsessed #16 N/A
    I Want To Know What Love Is #3 N/A
    Angels Cry #89 N/A
    TOTAL 12 No.1 Singles 2,400,000

    europe= 27 million albums
    japan=18 million
    united kingdom= 7.5 million
    US= 64 million
    australia= 2.7 million

    i can’t be bothered putting all of them up! haha:)

  176. tane says:

    no! Mariah has sold 68 million albums worldwide!

  177. tane says:

    Celine Dion has sold 174 million albums heres proof!
    celinedioncharts.com/byalbum.htm

  178. tane says:

    comment 176= 68 million albums in the US sorry!

  179. tane says:

    comment 175= oh sorry that’s the Japan album and single sales!

  180. The Reason says:

    Thank God there are people out there to see I speak the

    truth when I say that Sony Bomg doesn’t release

    commercial singles in Japan !

  181. XXXXX says:

    These sales are incorrect
    I Still Believe,Endless Love,Someday ,etc…is platinum in USA,Vision Of Love is Gold….

  182. The Reason says:

    @ XXXXX

    These sales were about Japan. Her sales and

    certifications in Usa are clear and you r right ;-)

  183. GRATIN says:

    Whooooooooooooooooooooo !……ztztztztztztz ! Mariah and celine??? Pfffffttt Who are these things? I hate both so much ! They never sing but screams.Mariah is nothing than a vocal acrobatic,she even can’t have a true life,poor Mariah.Mariah is no more a singer,but rather a sex-symbol and a slut.About Celine,she is a clown that have nothing to do than singing past songs and releasing loud nasal predictable belts…LMAO !
    Lucky Luke is a fu**ing a-hole and a pig while Trish is an attention whore and an uneducated bitch.Tane is a stupid coward and Moff an ashamed slut !
    Susan Boyles is the best selling female artist of all times.Then followed by Madonna, Mariah,Celine,Whitney.Susan is also a better vocalist than Mariah with a wider vocal range.She outsang Mariah everytime and effortless.I think Susan could sing Mariah’s Emotions easily.Boyles almost have 8 octaves of voca range.So,she’s better than Mariah.She deserve to be called “THE VOICE”.Mariah and Whitney could never reach Susan’s vocal runs,melismas,belts,etc…Neither Aretha.
    So,this is so nil to still talk about Mariah and celine.Noone remember Mariah the cow and Celine the camel.Nowadays,everybody talk about the true legend Susan Boyles.The best singer ever !
    Madonna = Bitch
    Mariah = Bitch
    Whitney = Drugged
    Celine = Clown
    Susan = Talented diva
    Susan blow all these women away in everything ! Plus,she’s so classic and elegant.
    Long life to Susan Boyles,the greatest female artist of all times !

  184. The Reason says:

    The new bitch gets ignored.

  185. MOFF says:

    Do you say this seriously?

    You are a slut, nothing more.
    Susan Boyle is a talented singer, but she has sold about 7 million albums, her “I dreamed a Dream” was a huge success!

    But:
    What about True Blue?
    Daydream?
    Lets Talk About love?

    Do you think they have sold less than Susan’s albums??

    Haha. Dream it!

  186. The Reason says:

    youtube.com/watch?v=CqcAlFMzhBs

    This video goes to all DEAF Jerks that question Mariah’s

    vocal skills, stracture, musicianship, technique ,power

    agility and insane range. Your fave could never..!

  187. GRATIN says:

    Lucky Luke….stststststststs !!! You are so stupid guy .I don’t believe your link at all since Mariah never proved nothing with her voice that could makes her a voice as sublime as Susan’s.Mariah’s songs are all average next to The Voice Susan Boyles,just admit it.Mariah can only dream to sing Susan’s I Dreamed A Dream.Mariah is replaced since Susan started her musical career.This is the proof that Susan is way better than Mariah and all other female artists.
    And Susan sold probably most albums than the three trashes since she proved it by her recent albums while none among Mariah,Celine or Madonna doesn’t have an album selling 10 million,only delusional estimations on their old albums.Susan’s Boyles I Dreamed A Dream surpass 18 million copies sold worldwide.Do you think Mariah or Celine or Madonna could do even the half of this record ? No,no.Susan is just incomparable. Who cares about Mariah and Celine? Who cares about Madonna? Evryone already forget these women since so long ago,they are so old and so mercyfull …LMAO ! their respective career lies in peace.Only Susan Boyles stay on ! Every girl dream to become the next Susan.Who say Susan is fat and ugly? I think that Susan is most beautiful than Mariah carey and Britney Spears.She’s just a little bit older. Madonna,Celine ? Wooooh !!! ! I never see some artists as ugly as Celine and Madonna.Susan kills them on beauty.The bitches named Lady gaga,Rihanna,Beyonce,etc… are everything,except artists.I am crazy about Susan.My mother also love her cause I look just like her.She’s a true legend ! Viva forever Susan Boyles ! No one will never equals you !

  188. What the what?? says:

    @GRATIN
    Celine’s top 3 albums sold 82 million total.
    Mariah’s top 3 albums sold 74 million total.
    Madonna’s top 3 albums sold 78 million total.
    Susan’s top 2 (since she only has 2 albums out) albums sold 9.6 million total.
    Correct me if I’m wrong, but Celine, Mariah, and Madonna’s top 3 albums have sold way more than Susan’s. I’m not hating, because she has a nice voice, but you can’t compare her record sales to them. It’s just not fair. Way more popularity, more records sold, richer than her, and more awards awarded.
    UGLY??? Are you serious?
    Celine:
    youtube.com/watch?v=clhqzWw5fS4
    Mariah:
    youtube.com/watch?v=rP0ESL-GYIk&feature=related
    Madonna:
    youtube.com/watch?v=RIZSPwKY75w&feature=related

    Susan:
    youtube.com/watch?v=bz6BA1heMSI
    Who cares about Madonna or Celine? The 2 had 2 of the highest grossing tours of all time!

  189. The Reason says:

    @ GRATIN

    Hey ! You are officially our new attention whore. :)

    The more delusional a comment is, the more attention it

    gets. So congratulations. Everyone standing O to the

    new pathetic piece of sh** added here !!!

    I am a pig now, right ? Ooupsie..! xD

    Now to the facts :

    Susan Boyle has a nice voice and good technique. There

    it ends. She is nothing more than a product. She has 0

    musicianship and almost 0 originality. She has 0 hits.

    She never toured the world. She mainly does COVERS

    in the STUDIO to save her life. Sorry she is totally

    irrelevant.

    Mariah sold 11m with TEOM and Madonna 12m with COADF

    both released after 2004 – when piracy affected sales.

    So your argument FAILS.

    Susan’s debut sold almost 10m, so you get a DOUBLE FAIL

    (Gongratulations again).

    1) Vocally everything Susan can do, Mariah can do it

    better. Let me know when Susan is able to ”click” from

    chest voice to pure head voice, or chest voice to

    whistle and then deep wispers. The Imperial

    Songbird of melisma, vocal runs, vocal rifs. One of the

    most flexible voices ever. (GODRIAH)

    The link I sent you mainly shows LIVE perfomances. THIRD

    FAIL. Here is the WHOLE LIVE video :

    youtube.com/watch?v=oEPuOI9CmZA

    3.54 – 4.02.

    Tell me when Subo or any other is able to do that.

    *laughing*

    2) Let me know how Susan will sing after 30 years of

    career. I want to see if her vocal cords will show

    stamina, longevity, if she will be able to belt live

    notes and sustain them for 18 seconds.

    (Celine, The Queen)

    youtube.com/watch?v=epXXFhzuqbc 2.45-3.03

    AND

    youtube.com/watch?v=15xKfLSSQF4 4.50-5.16

    *still laughing*

    LMAO you retard no artist credits Susan Boyle as an

    influence. Another FAIL.

    LMAO Even if we talk about beauty…well…wasn’t she

    a virgin at age 47 ? Means NOBODY wanted to fu** her.

    Ooups, I am being a pig again :/

    Didn’t people laugh at her looks when they first saw

    her ? #FAIL

    Subo is in the elite of Miley Cirus, Gaga, Adele, Rihanna

    ,Katy Perry and Taylor Swift in terms of sales.

    Don’t mess with THE LEGENDS cause you’re making a fool

    of yourself. Now do me a favour and run on a freeway.

    Thanx, bitch.

  190. The Reason says:

    LOL , Meant * Congratulations xD

    Anyway, this stupid debate is over. Stans that want

    their fave to better in everything are idiots.

  191. Mandy says:

    The Emancipation Of mimi Had sold way more than Confession on A Dance Floor.TEOM sold over 12 million and it was the best selling album of 2005 and 2006.Be careful on what you claim,the Reason

  192. The Reason says:

    @ Mandy

    Hey ! I am still waiting for your answer on singles. You

    know you work in mysterious ways. You correct me for

    puting 1m more to a Madonna album and you have nothing

    to say to people who claim the Susan Boyle outsells and

    outsings Mariah. LMAO

    And LOL TEOM was the best seller of 2005. Not 2006. It

    sold nothing on 2006 to make it one the 06’s best

    sellers.

    Second, even if TEOM sold more than COADF it definitely

    did not sell ”way more”. Be careful on what you claim,

    Mandy.

    I already caught 2 mistakes on 3 little sentences. :)

  193. Tane says:

    Mariah careys sold 160 to 165 million albums
    She’s sold 55 to 60 million singles
    So Mariahs sold over 220 million records worldwide!

    Celine dione sold 174 million albums
    She’s sold over 50 million singles
    So celines sold over 125 million records

    So really record sales are not far apart at all! Only 5 to 7 million records apart!

    Madonnas sold 300 million records no doubt!

    Love you heaps Mimi! x

    anyway just saying hi to Moff and lukyluke:) how are yas?

    @gratin arê you butterfly and trish?

  194. Tane says:

    Sorry mistake celines sold over 225 million records!:)

    Who says I’m wrong? I think and know I’m rigt:)

  195. MOFF says:

    I’m here, Tane :)

    You’re right in the case of their record sales, although I think Celine has sold a bit more albums, anyway:

    1. Madonna
    2. Mariah
    3. Celine

    :)

  196. The Reason says:

    Hey Tane ! I’m fine xD I have exams this period and I

    am tired :/ Anyway, how r you ?

    Did you see Celine’s perfomance at Emmy Awards ? she was

    stunning. <3

  197. Tane says:

    Yes! Her performance was amazing:) she looked so beautiful
    Goodluck on exams:) get some rest! Lol

    hey Moff yeah I’m sure she’s sold more albums that site was probably a bit biased:/ never trust sites haha:)

    Mariah<3
    Celine<3

  198. TRISH says:

    Tane,why do you asked Gratin if he/she is Butterfly and Trish ? Did you already see that I insulted Mariah? Did I insult you formely Tane ? Even when you supported Lucky Luke ? Did you ?
    I don’t know why everyone hate me here,but listen to me Tane,if you want to get Lucky Luke and Moff’s sympathy, good for you,but don’t try to imply me when anyone said something bad in the blog.It seems that you consider me as the devil,your little team and you.But I don’t care of you.You have the right to give your opinion and believe in what you want,but don’t blame me because I don’t swallow your things.I decided by myself to leave this debate for many reasons.Not because I am afraid by you and your lies that are spread here,but because I don’t want to fight with Lucky Luky anymore.He will never agree with me in the same way I will never agree with him.Anyway,All of you can think and say anything you want about me,I don’t care.You can say Madonna,Celine,or even Susan Boyles (Like did Gratin)sold more than Mariah etc…I will don’t reply.This is not me nor you neither links that could remove or add nothing of the real accomplishments and achievements of these artists.I’m done with this debate.Now you are free to say anything you want about these legends.But don’t provoke me please.Otherwise, I will back to confront you…

  199. MOFF says:

    Trish?
    Do you want to play the daunted and lonely girl?
    In my opinion this is the first post from you, where you have written in a smart and nice style :)

    Its good that you don’t want to fight against Lucky Luke etc anymore, because we have proofs which you don’t have.

    PS: Madonna is about to work on a new studio album, we will see if she will sell more than any of Mariah’s last releases.
    About Celine: Mariah has to sell further 15 to 20 million albums, if she want to compete with Celine in case of album sales.

    Goodbye, guys :D

  200. The Reason says:

    @ MOFF

    Oh Moff ! This was her best post ever. It was full of

    logic. I think you ruined it. :P

    I hope your comment doesn’t ingite any new fights

    cause I am so bored of this crapy debate. Celine and

    Mariah will released new stuff as well in 2011/2012 and

    we see what happens. Till then avoid fights. LOL xD

  201. TRISH says:

    how a failure as you can say such a thing? how dare you say that I play a daunted and lonely girl?
    I don’t care your opinion Moff.I think that you don’t have any post at all in this debate,even right now.That’s why I precise that I wanted to stop fighting with Lucky Luke,not you.Lucky Luke was the only debater here that argue for Celine.You just repeat what Lucky Luke already said Moff,nothing more.At least,Lucky Luke brought many arguments and links by his own researches,even if all of them are lies and biased.But you,I never consider you as a debater Moff.Can you precise me when you integrated the Celine Vs Mariah debate? What did you bring as arguments? That Mariah won the Chopard in 2003 for 150 million albums sold,then Celine won it in 2004 for 175 million albums? This is what you call “proofs”?Don’t dream dear.You are just able to repeat and Just applause to what Lucky Luke already state.That doesn’t make you a debater Moff.As a Madonna fan,You even don’t brought any argument in favor of her in the Madonna Vs Mariah debate.This is Lucky Luke that brought all the arguments (although they are lies and craps) that he could find.You are not a debater.You just said Guinness and IFPI cite Madonna is the best selling female artist of all times,then Madonna refused The Chopard Diamond Award by World Music Awards.These are not arguments.pfffftt !!!
    Don’t say anymore ” We have proofs which you don’t have”.Lucky Luke could say that,not you Moff.

  202. TRISH says:

    Moff,how can you say
    “About Celine: Mariah has to sell further 15 to 20 million albums, if she want to compete with Celine in case of album sales.”

    Since when you brought arguments to defend Celine? Do you think that your delusional phrase “About Celine: Mariah has to sell further 15 to 20 million albums, if she want to compete with Celine in case of album sales.”could mean that Celine really sold more albums than Mariah? You are a coward Moff,I have pity on you.Anyone that read my last posts could see how many times I asked you details on Celine – Mariah singles,but you never be able to answer me.I think that you can answer to me right now after that Lucky Luke post his delusional arguments about Mariah and celine’s singles.You are so much pathetic !
    Right now,let me tell you something Moff.I stop my feud with Lucky Luke,but about you if you want to start a discussion with me about Celine and Mariah’s sales,I am ready for that.So,don’t say to me anymore that Celine sold more albums than Mariah,I was clear enough on this.If you want to continue debating with me,don’t hesitate Moff.Just tell me that !

  203. Carla says:

    According to ESCTODAY (Eurovision Song Contest Today) which is refering to IFPI, here are the 20 (of 150) best selling artists of all time :

    01.The Beatles 400,000,000 #02.Michael Jackson 350,000,000 #03.Elvis Presley 300,000,000 #04.Madonna 275,000,000 #05.Nana Mouskouri 250,000,000 #06.Cliff Richard 250,000,000 #07.The Rolling Stones 250,000,000 #08.Mariah Carey 230,000,000 #09.Elton John 220,000,000 #10.Celine Dion 220,000,000 #11.Pink Floyd 210,000,000 #12.Led Zeppelin 200,000,000 #13.Metallica 200,000,000 #14.Julio Iglesias 200,000,000 #15.Queen 180,000,000 #16AC/DC 180,000,000 #17Whitney Houston 180,000,000 #18.ABBA 160,000,000 #19.U2 150,000,000 #20.The Jacksons 150,000,000
    This independant European source is reliable.So saying that Celine surpass Mariah with 15 -20 million record sold is unacceptable.Mariah still have more records sold than Celine.

  204. Carla says:

    Sorry,I wanted to write ” this independent Eurovision site “,excuse me.

  205. Carla says:

    And please,don’t compare Mariah to Madonna.Madonna is just a succesful plastic product,Mariah is a talented singer

  206. The Reason says:

    @ Carla

    Aren’t you the same Carla that had brought a random

    internet link a few months ago showing a fan made list

    in favour of Mariah ? And now what do you do ?

    An independent Eurovision site talking about worldwide

    sales and this seems normal to you. So this site knows

    better than Mariah’s labels and her management team ?

    Sorry but THIS IS NOT acceptable. Period.

    Mariah herself mentions her sales per era. For instance

    in 1998 she announced how ”Emotions” sold over 10m

    records (Around 8m the Album + 2m its Singles) and here

    we debate against stupid trolls that proudly announce

    this album sold over 13m copies. Give me a break here.

    You are cornered by logic thought.

    @ TRISH

    LMAO at you saying you want to stop the debate and still

    calling me liar and biased. Very nice effort. If you

    want to stop all that then move your ass out of here

    and stop insulting me. Clear ?

    Oh yeah ! It is PATHETIC blaming people for not showing

    you Mariah’s single sales. You are the one who needs to

    prove these stuff and you have been asked many times

    and you fail.

    So don’t blame my links. Put the blame on your inability

    to prove your crap, articulate and make fu**ing sense.

    C ya !

  207. TRISH as BUTTERFLY says:

    Emotions album has sold 13 million the very less worldwide ! Mariah herself claimed Emotions sold 10 million since long ago.Today this album is about 13 -15 million worldwide !

    @ Lucky Luke

    LMAO at you saying you need a this debate is over while still posting lies and crap links,then provoke me.
    I didn’t make any effort very dear.Your efforts to feign objective towards Mariah just failed.Mariah sold much more albums and much more singles than Celine Dion worldwide.Your silly staments can’t change that.This is all the truth.

    I call you liar and biased because this is what you are.If you are angry for that,too bad for you.

    I don’t make any effort to stop fighting.I just decided it ,that’s all.If you want that I stop all that then move your ass out of here yourself.Then,I will out after you.

    “Oh yeah ! It is PATHETIC blaming people for not showing

    you Mariah’s single sales…”. I adressed this directly to Moff,not to you.Let Moff reply by himself when I talk to him.Same goes for all of you.If you are boyfriends,good for you,but here in this debate everyone must defend himself and bring arguments by his own.Ok ?

    You never,ever prove nothing here Lucky,don’t be delusional.Your frequent chorus are so far to being proofs.You have ability just to lie and use tricks Lucky Luke,nothing more.You fail in everything you try to prove by lies.

    All of you,wake up on your Daydream !

  208. BUTTERFLY says:

    All that you gave as proves to show that Madonna and Celine sold more records than Mariah is your preference towards Madonna and Celine over Mariah,nothing else.

  209. Tane says:

    I’m so sorry trish and believe me I don’t hate you at all! It’s just because the grammar in each of those names were exactly the same and I thought it was you:/ I was wrong sorry

  210. Tane says:

    Anyway I can see Mariah making a comeback, it’s just natural she does. Second her babies would have influenced her for new songs, I pray and hope she does!

    every site I’ve come across seem to be all biased considering all the links I’ve brang here are just completely lies to us all, ever site seems to be the same:/ it’s waste really with the links they just prove nothing about record sales:/

    Just to be random who’s been watching wimbledon?:)

  211. Tane says:

    Hasnt the beetles and Elvis presly sold over 1 billion? maybe wrong I read that of wikipediia

  212. The Reason says:

    @ TRISH

    ”LMAO at you saying you need a this debate is over while still posting lies and crap links,then provoke me.”

    Are you dreaming bitch ? What links did I post the past

    month ? What lies did I claim ? Are you able to dispute

    these so called lies or your little brain can’t go any

    further than saying ”lies, biased, crap” ? #Oops

    How the hell do I provoke you since I don’t even mention

    your name in my posts ? Nice try to put this on me, but

    we all know you still remain the pressed c*** here.

    ”If you want that I stop all that then move your ass out of here yourself.Then,I will out after you. ”

    LMAO bitch ! I said I am bored of this debate, but

    that’s about it. You are the one saying you wanna

    leave. xD You are the manipulative slut here that uses

    her decision to leave in order to pass as the good, fair

    and peaceful girl. #FAIL

    ”I call you liar and biased because this is what you
    are”

    Why don’t you bring the right Mariah facts since

    I post lies ? Oh I forgot, because you know sh**.

    Funny how you think Mariah’s albums sell over 3m after

    their peak and after they get off charts. #DEAD Is this

    what real facts claim ? Is this logic thought ? LOL

    Funny how you manipulate Mariah’s own words. She said

    ”Emotions” sold 10m RECORDS in 1998 – refering to its

    singles as well -. Same way she had stated in mid 2005

    that TEOM had suprassed the 7m mark worldwide – she

    even smiled and said ”and we’re still counting”.

    Your stupidity rages on when you say :

    ”I adressed this directly to Moff, not to you.” Yeah

    you retard, and my comment on Emotions was a reply to

    Carla, not you. Still you came back to talk about

    Emotions. So shut the fu** up. :)

    ”All that you gave as proves to show that Madonna and Celine sold more records than Mariah is your preference towards Madonna and Celine over Mariah,nothing else.”

    And you only prove what a sick piece of sh** you are.

    I know Mariah’s stuff 10 times better than you. I have

    enough knowledge to support her with real facts. You

    couldn’t even use real arguments to prove her vocal

    superiority and all you said was ”cute voice, sweet

    voice”. xa xa xa ! Bitch, sit down. How old are you ?

    How retarded are you ? You could NEVER in your miserable

    life do what I did in posts 186 and 189 at my replies

    towards the real hater here, Gabmit. Use your brain

    ONCE. I have already replied to almost all Mariah’s

    haters here : Jessica, Gabmit, the boy from Philipines

    and so on. Even my you tube account is in part in favour

    of MC and I’m about to start a Facebook page on Mariah.

    Dumbass ! You can’t even swallow I like Mariah.

    And no ! Mariah is not the best selling female artist.

    Swallow it and go on with your life. Mariah doesn’t need

    this title to prove her value. Why do you fighting over

    this ? Have you even considered words such as being

    a real vocalist ? musician ? influencial ? creative ?

    I am so bored of your stupidity. If you have to

    dispute anything IN SPECIFIC please go ahead. You generic

    comments are a FAIL. Be specific to save your dignity.

    You said my Japanese facts on Mariah’s singles are lies.

    I asked you to tell me the truth about it and

    certifications and you DISAPPEARED only for the sake

    of coming back 2 weeks later and call me a liar. Jesus !

    Can you look more fool than this ? Yes, you can cause

    on top of these, even tane brought extra facts to

    prove my points. What do you have to support your

    point of view ? Oh yeah ! Nothing ! Now come back in

    2 days from now to repeat yourself, with 0 proves and

    extra insults. You are a miserable Failure.

    ”If you are boyfriends,good for you” LOL

    I just can’t at your lunacy bitch xD

  213. TRISH says:

    OK Tane, I believe that you don’t hate me.You are a real music fan and you just try to be objective.I appreciate you because even though you base many of your arguments on links,you don’t just consider them as irrefutable facts.You are open enough to question some mistakes and lies that are spread in links.As you said,links doesn’t really prove nothing on sales,they are not reliable.You are honest Tane,I always know that !

  214. TRISH says:

    Yeah Tane,It seems that Mariah will come back with a Pop album.That could be more successful than her Hip Hop albums… We hope that she will give to us good pop songs and powerful ballads,like she used to at the 1990’s.I am very impatient to discover Mariah in a new Pop album!

  215. TRISH says:

    @ Lucky Luke.You come back with your insults against me? Congrats !

    You said “What lies and links did I post and claim ? ” Dear Lucky,do you think music fans are idiot and stupid? You try to prove that Mariah doesn’t really surpass Celine even in singles sales by crap data. But who is stupid and idiot enough to swallow this? I repeat it again,all your arguments are lies !
    How could you say Mariah outsold Celine by 5 – 10 million singles ? How it could be possible when we say that Mariah has many multi platinum singles in 2000 decade while Celine doesn’t have even one ? This is links and crap data that could prove the opposite? Do you think we are a team of idiots ? Do Celine was a big single seller at the 1990’s ??? Compare with MARIAH CAREY !!!!!!! How can you say Mariah outsold Celine’s singles by 5 – 10 million? How many platinum and multiplatinum singles Celine has for the 1990 decade compare with Mariah ? Did Celine equals Mariah on singles sales at the 1990’s ? She doesn’t even close to Mariah on singles sales worldwide at the 1990’s ! This is not links or biased data that could change this fact.Mariah always be a huge female single seller.For the 2000’s ? You got the nerve to equals Celine with Mariah on singles sales while you claims Celine ‘s albums outsold Mariah’s by 20 million the less.You really prove how much you are objective.This is really you that are able to dispute.
    You are a liar Lucky Luke,but a very crafty liar.There is just people that is very smart that can discover your tricks to spread your lies.

    “Why don’t you bring the right Mariah facts since

    I post lies ? Oh I forgot, because you know sh**.” This is what you think? Do you think I know nothing on sales? That’s why you try to proved Celine almost equals Mariah on singles sales then surpass her albums by 20 million ? You make a huge mistake dear.Celine never surpass Mariah on Albums sales.About singles,Celine is light years behind Mariah on this.
    Everyone,just read that please:
    Lucky Luke wrote:

    “Funny how you think Mariah’s albums sell over 3m after

    their peak and after they get off charts.” Ok. Now say me when Unison,Celine Dion, The Coulour Of My Love,All The Way,D’eux,The French Album,etc… were charted again after their release? Everyone listen to me.There is Celine’s 1990’s albums worldwide sales till May 2000.
    – Unison 2 million
    – Celine Dion 4 million
    -The Colour Of My Love 12 million
    -D’eux The French Album 7 million
    -These Are Special Times 8 million
    -Falling Into you 27 million
    -Let’s Talk About Love 27 million
    -All The Way A Decade Of Songs 16 million
    So, everyone see that every Celine’s 1990 decade sales were clear since the 2000 year
    Ok,now Lucky Luke,say me when those albums were charted again to reach huge sales that are usually giving for their worldwide sales.
    – Unison 4 million
    – Celine Dion 6 million
    – The Colour Of My Love 15 – 17 million
    – Falling into you 32 million
    – Let’s talk about Love 31 million
    – These are Special Times 12 million
    Are they re charted after their release ???
    Why do you want Mariah’s 1990’s albums stay the same sales they were since their release at the 1990’s while you have any problem with Celine’s albums that still increase through the years although they not re-charted since their release as well as Mariah’s ? This is like this you prove your objectivity?

  216. HanahxD says:

    Trish,the reason made a fool out of you again and again.he asked you to be specific and answer with answers on Mariah but when he does that you only reply by mocking Celine that is pathetic.people can think,I don’t think you can. Every time someone corners you,you change subject and insult people.you said you would spit on Celine, get ashamed for that.you must be insane to feel the need to attack another human being.the reason and other people here attack you because they can’t stand your partiality and laughable posts,they never attack Mariah, because what they claim is right so they are not angry to attack Mariah.you are angry and mad because you can’t support Mariah and you do what nobody else does with insults that should not be said by a female to another female.and I read you are here for over a year and people say you insult Madonna since 2010 that makes you more sad.like these are not enough I see you personally attack all debaters here,you hate them.why would anyone care if debaters here are boyfriends or not!this is none of our business and people shouldn’t go to personal stuff.you insult people of not being men enough,but you should think that you are not woman enough.no woman that respects herself insults other women that never harmed her,no woman with dignity ever uses the trash vocabulary you do.if you want to leave,leave.you add nothing new,you repeat only yourself and deny what others say and nobody wants you here either

    @ the reason you are by far the best debater here and you
    know your stuff.you know about sales and music. But you should use less insults no matter how mad people here make you.i see that you like Mariah, but sure you love Celine more.but you supported Mariah perfectly before.just watch your vocabulary and don’t judge peoples education.

    bye bye

  217. TRISH says:

    Mariah never said Emotions sold 10 million “records”.She didn’t precise in fact.Mariah isn’t stupid enough to said that.The sales of Singles like Emotions,Can’t Let Go,Make It Happen,If It’s Over total approximately 7 million.So,how it could possible that the album + his singles reached just 10 million even at 1998 ? Your effort to diminish the Emotions records sales just fail.
    Yes,I don’t want you to reply when I address a post directly to another debater.About what you addressed to Carla,this is different.Cause you talked about the Emotions album and singles,so this is not a close comment.Anyone could reply on a post that talk about an artist work or achievement.
    You said that you know Mariah’s stuff 10 times better than me? Do you think so,just because you consult crap links to explain everything you talk about ? As trying to prove that Madonna have a wider vocal range than Whitney Houston according to a link?? That Celine is a better dancer than Mariah when everyone laugh at her comedic moves and pull faces on stage? Hahaha ! You make a mistake Lucky.I am so better than you ! since I know Mariah, Celine and Madonna’s stuff a billion times better than you.
    You said ” you can’t even swallow I like Mariah.” I would do only if I was stupid and ill advised.Do you think you like Mariah just because you reprimand some improvised debaters that have insult her ? This is so easy.After so many fights with me,you hardly admit that Mariah has over Celine: influence,writing,producing,composing skills,Hit maker than Celine. But,who doesn’t beat Celine on these points ??? Madonna,Beyonce,Britney,Whitney,Aretha,Taylor Swift,Christina Aguilera,etc… also beat Celine in those points.Mariah Carey beats all these women on these achievements.
    About voice,you admit Mariah has a better voice than Madonna.Wow ! really funny…LMAO !
    About voice you said that I Claimed Cute voice,sweet voice etc…Yes,everyone agree with me on this,unlike you that prove nothing on Celine’s voice with your Bb2, A3,etc then her songs prove nothing than some rooster crow.
    I repeat you that you proved nothing at all on the entire debate.You never brought any proof,just bring proofs and facts honey.Then we will accept your claims.

  218. The Reason says:

    You are a laughable troll and nothing more.

    1)Mariah mentioned 10m records for Emotions in 1998.

    #FAIL

    2)”you hardly admit that Mariah has over Celine: influence,writing,producing,composing skills,Hit maker than Celine.”

    I have been explaining this since POST 15 here when I

    mentioned CLEARLY all these with the word MUSICIANSHIP.

    Move your retarded ass and read post 15. NOW BITCH ! GO !

    Did I ever put this word next to Celine ? No. Move on !

    #SECOND FAIL

    3) ”The sales of Singles like Emotions,Can’t Let Go,Make It Happen,If It’s Over total approximately 7 million”

    The debate is OVER after this phrase.

    Emotions : Gold Us (500k+) and N.Zeland (5k)

    Can’t Let Go : Gold Us (500k+)

    Make It Happen : (300k+ In Us, not certified)

    If It’s Over : – Minimal release in some European

    markets. Charted only in Dutch singles chart #80.

    Therefore 2 Us Gold certifications of 4 singles lead

    to a total of 7.000.000 copies like you posted. That

    would mean the Album Emotions sold 65m copies since it

    is certified 4xPLATINUM in Us which is 8 times MORE than

    the certifications of its singles.

    Shall I say that you Fail ? Yeah you FAIL ! :)

    4)”As trying to prove that Madonna have a wider vocal range than Whitney Houston according to a link?? That Celine is a better dancer than Mariah when everyone laugh at her comedic moves and pull faces on stage.”

    It is a fact Madonna can’t sing. Vocal range doesn’t

    mean ABILITY, UNLESS the artist knows how to use it, like

    Mariah does. It is unbelievable that you insist attacking

    my reliability, because you don’t have music knowledge

    and you correlate big range to good singers. No matter

    how many thin/loud notes Madonna can access she is not

    good at all. Clear ? She can scream. Period. Wake up and

    open a music theory book cause I am bored of your

    stupidity ! I will put it simple. Vocal range shows

    POTENTIAL. Proper technique and placement and breath

    control show SKILLS.

    Mariah = POTENTIAL + SKILLS = PERFECT

    Madonna has SOME range because she can scream.

    youtube.com/watch?v=GAH5Gi-Awo0

    Listen to this video and tell me if you think she is

    singing, cause I say SHE DOESN’T, no matter the thin

    annoying notes. Open you ears, open your mind and stop

    thinking I am a liar.

    + Celine is a MUCH better performer than MC. People

    actually laugh at this and hardly ever pay tickets to

    attend : : youtube.com/watch?v=xc8NT617yHc

    Mariah will never gross more than $100m from a tour.

    #FAIL

    ”There is Celine’s 1990?s albums worldwide sales till May 2000.”

    Where did you find this list ? Oh yeah, YOUR estimations.

    #FAIL

    Finally I LAUGH cause you try miserably to corner me

    using the single sales of Mariah and Celine. Ok retard,

    we will first discuss Mariah’s singles and THEN Celine’s

    cause talking about both of them the same time will make

    a total mess. I have been waiting and waiting for you to

    bring certifications of her first 5 singles. I am

    challenging you like I did 2 weeks ago !!!

    We finish Mariah’s sales and move on to Celine’s. :)

    ——>

    LOL @ you saying I didn’t bring any facts. Whole industry

    , labels, media, magazines prove all my statements. Lmao

    You are still contradicting and manipulate facts, even

    Mariah’s own words and things she stated to create her

    own biographies. LMAO She would spit at your face.

    And I don’t need links to explain myself. Links are just

    a bonus of what I am saying. I just like to be totally

    clear with what I post and show that I don’t create

    things. Moreover NO links or sources or awards or

    announcements ever contradicted with my links so that’s

    another fail dear. + Many of my links where from

    magazines because YOU said you trust magazines. And now

    you call me a liar for following your own references ?

    Dear, you FAIL ! LMAO @ at your little mind. You act

    like there’s another magazine or source to claim the

    opposite. Xa xa xa ! And no, you are not better. You are

    just an idiot. A big idiot to be honest.

    #Ooooops. I am much superior. Go back to your trailer

    park. Thanx

  219. The Reason says:

    And please don’t talk again about vocal issues. You

    can’t even say which notes make Celine’s range 2.7

    octaves. -.-‘ I don’t know anything about fashion so

    I don’t mention fashion and famous designers.

    I don’t know why I bother replying to all this. I am the

    only guy in this world that spends time on you. Lmao.

    Show some dignity and leave. You music and sales

    ”knowledge” is a fu**ing mess, proved by your dumb

    estimations on the Emotion album. I don’t prove that you

    fail. Simple maths prove your failure.

    +

    You know Mariah better than me ?

    ”I am very impatient to discover Mariah in a new Pop album!”

    LMAO Then listen to her latest Xmas album, you imbecill.

    It is all popish with the exception of Motown (When

    Christmas Comes) and a classically influenced pop song

    (Adeste Fideles) and an rnb cut (Here comes Santa

    Claus).

    + Her debut and especially Emotions are NOT pop albums

    at all. The debuts contains some adult contemporary

    music mixed with some rnb or pop or soft rock

    instrumentations. As of Emotions it features rnb,

    gospel, pop , soul and jazz.

    #Oooooops ! You can’t even talk about her music genres

    dumb cow. Music Box is her only pure pop album and

    Daydream comes next (Talking about 90s) as it is 40%

    pop and 60% soft rnb. I am still laughing at you

    considering Without You and All I Want For Christmas Is

    You ROCK songs. #DEAD at your lunacy & ignorance.

    #Dismissed by all means..!

    <3

  220. TRISH says:

    Mariah said Emotions album sold 10 million since 1998.Today,Emotions album sold at 14 million worldwide.End Of Story xxx…zzzz….zzzzz

    About the vocal range question,you just fail.Children can whistle like Mariah usually do,without even be conscientious of this.Nevertheless,children has any vocal technique nor ability skills.A child doesn’t have POTENTIAL. Proper technique and placement and breath

    control etc…to show his skills.show SKILLS
    Vocal range has nothing to do with musical knowledge and vocal technique – Since her childhood,Mariah had hit very high notes and whistle notes,according to her Mom.Your crap theory FAIL

    About Celine’s Singles.She doesn’t sold singles at all compare with Mariah Carey,she just able to clown around in front of people on stage.Nobody buy her crap singles – FAIL
    Celine is a very great and successful clown on stage,that’s why she has so many successes with her concerts.But,she is a zero performer beside Mariah,Mariah is the top female performer ever.Celine can only dream to perform a song live the way Mariah could do.She amaze anyone with her loud nasal rooster crows anymore.Everyone is boring by this,this is so easy,so predictable.- FAIL
    Celine will never sell more than 10 units from a Single.Pfffft…..Ztztztztztz ! -FAIL

    You are not more than a pig. Dear a-hole,I am so better than you and your crap theories. Take it honey.

  221. TRISH says:

    Mariah’s 1990’s albums are Pop albums,except for Butterfly and Rainbow.
    Mariah Carey is a pure pop album – FAIL

    Emotions is a Pop album that is influenced by the R&B and jazz. Emotions,You’re So Cold,To Be Around You,Make It Happen are pop songs.Moreover,the other songs are ballads Pop/R&B.- FAIL
    Yes All I Want For Christmas Is You is a Pop/Rock song.Besides,The Rollings Stones magazine rank it as one of the best Rock Christmas Song of all times -FAIL
    I laughed most at you when you claim Celine’s songs as Rock songs just because they have an electric guitar in the background music.Some songs like Where Does My Heart Beat Now,Think Twice,You Even cited Mariah’s Open Arms as a Rock song,that show you know nothing on musical genre,but just states a music is a Rock song when it has a few electric guitar at its musical background.- FAIL- Unison 4 million
    About Celine’s albums
    – Celine Dion 6 million
    – The Colour Of My Love 15 – 17 million
    – Falling into you 32 million
    – Let’s talk about Love 31 million
    – These are Special Times 12 million
    – All The Way,A Decade Of Songs – 16 million
    All these datas were giving by Sony Music 2000, dear a-hole.I dare you to explain me when these albums were recharted to give the huge amounts that you still posts in your lies and that your crap links support.
    Are they re charted after their release ??? Vermin,you want to border Mariah’s sales at their 1990’s sales.I discover you,then everyone just see how much you are a crafty liar. LIAR ! PIG !
    If I could only slap you,and spit on your face !!!

  222. TRISH says:

    Do you think I don’t know that Mariah’s Merry Christmas 2 you is a pop album? You are really retarded.Could I listen to a Christmas album outside the Christmas period? I talked about a simple album.Besides,I adressed it to tane,not to you. Just show me when Unison,Celine Dion,The Colour Of My Love,etc… were recharted to give the crap sales you post for them if you can.Scum ! Pig ! have a life like other normal guys.Don’t you get shame?

  223. TRISH says:

    Dear Mariah hater,your tricks are discovering and showing to everyone right now.You Insist Emotions still sold at 8 – million today.So Celine Dion album couldn’t surpass 3 million sales nowadays,since its 1998 sales were at 2 million worldwide.Inform yourself a-hole,slut,half-boy.Stop posting every craps giving by links.Be a normal guy,stop fantasize on Celine’s Huge nose,long chin and thin lips.She’s just an ugly artist,there is no reason to venerate her like you do.You are a shame for every boys in your country….Lol !
    Don’t adress me anything in this blog anymore,ok? I don’t have to repeat it to you, male bitch !

  224. The Reason says:

    ”Mariah said Emotions album sold 10 million since 1998.Today,Emotions album sold at 14 million worldwide.End Of Story xxx…zzzz….zzzzz”

    10m Since ? Since ? SINCE ? Do you know English at all ?

    Do you know the meaning of the word SINCE ? Sit down.

    It was in 1998 when she said it sold 10m records BY 1998.

    Same data her Label released in 1999. #FAIL

    ”About the vocal range question,you just fail.Children can whistle like Mariah usually do,without even be conscientious of this.Nevertheless,children has any vocal technique nor ability skills.A child doesn’t have POTENTIAL. Proper technique and placement and breath
    control etc…to show his skills.show SKILLS
    Vocal range has nothing to do with musical knowledge and vocal technique – Since her childhood,Mariah had hit very high notes and whistle notes,according to her Mom.”

    This is what I am saying you dork ! These are my words.

    Mariah is great cause she has BOTH potential and

    skills. Little children just have a range because they

    go really high screaming ! Is this skills ? NO ! YOU said

    it ! This is the deal with Madonna ! This is what I am

    explaining for weeks. She is a sh***y singer no matter

    her ”range” or thin little loud notes. So trying to

    say I fail is a FAIL. See what I mean : having

    ingredients to make a cake (Having Potential) doesn’t

    mean you can make a cake unless you know the recipe

    (Skills) and know all proportions (Technique). Mariah

    had nodules and she was properly trained and that’s why

    she is who she is. Even a 12 year old could get my

    explanations NEXT ->

    1) Mariah a better performer ? LMAO Mariah can’t hold a

    candle next to Celine in performing. She can’t be

    theatrical or use movements based to the songs meaning

    and lyrics. She is a great technical singer, not

    a performer. Her voice blends with music, NOT her

    body. She actually SMILED when she sang ”If it’s over”

    in 1991 Grammy. What kind of great performer smiles

    during a tragic sad song ? Mariah is like a robot on

    stage. This is why she can’t sellout 3.000 seats arenas

    for her pre-recorded boring shows. She is like so

    awkward. Mariah could never feel confident enough and

    set the stage on fire like that :

    youtube.com/watch?v=KEQaF64w_uw

    Can you dispute what I am saying by showing me ONE video

    out of Mariah’s 20 YEARS Career where she does something

    expressive that shows her performing skills ? Or her

    dance skills ? I bet you can’t.

    2) People still buy Celine’s albums so people not caring

    about her records, just because they don’t download her

    stuff is so dumb. Only you could make such a failed

    correlation. #FAIL

    Celine has been Sony’s money machine since early 1996

    till 2011 and she has the biggest contract with the

    biggest label of this planet. Celine has the biggest

    label for a live entertainment deal. Her show affected

    the economy level of a whole city and offered employment

    to over 100 families there. She has been mentioned the

    Global Diva several magazines. Her show got rave reviews

    (I know you wonder what’s that since music critics have

    been panning Mariah’s tours since the opening night of

    her Music Box tour). She already grossed more than $20m

    dollars and already 100.000 people attended her concerts.

    When was the last time Mariah ever did that ? Oh yeah.

    Never. As Celine being a clown, this only proves your

    ignorance and stupidity. Celine’s new show is not

    theatrical at all. The set list consists only from

    ballads and soft songs and the show features and

    orchestra and many covers so there is no space left

    for anything comedic. People walk out being emotional

    or crying after performances of ”Ne me quitte pas”,

    ”All By Myself”, ”At Seventeen” , ”My Heart Will

    Go On”… Funny songs ? No. Comedic moves ? No. People

    still buying tickets ? Yes. TRISH Failed ? Yes.

    3) Moreover you insist Celine is just a clown. Let’s

    suppose you are 100% right. That would mean that

    Celine’s clown moves are much more interesting

    and APPEALING than Mariah’s so called :

    – Excellent Live Singing

    – Great Performing Skills

    – Perfect Dancing Skills

    – Best Moving Songs

    So Celine beats all these Mariah’s assets with her

    clown moves ? LMAO That would mean Mariah really sucks

    for being unable to have people attend her concerts

    (therefore be INFERIOR to touring) just for the sake of

    Celine’s comedian skills. Logic thought just made you

    fail.

    4) As of singles…Why don’t you dare showing me Mariah’s

    first 5 singles and their sales/certifications ?

    Oh yeah, cause you probably learned you limits.

    You got cornered and embarrassed after your parody of the

    singles of ”Emotions” that reached 7m because of 2

    Gold Us certifications they received. LMAO Based on this

    the album sold over 65m copies worldwide. #FAIL

    5) You are nothing more than a pressed retarded attention

    whore that comes back not to support Mariah – you can’t

    do that because your knowledge is limited – but just

    for the sake of keeping fighting against me. No matter

    how much you try to make me mad, I will always have time

    and guts to reply to everything you post – every little

    word you post. You don’t know where you got yourself

    into. Dear slut, suck it.

  225. TRISH says:

    You try to claim Mariah is a R&B artist while you try to improve Celine at a Pop Rock artist.Mariah has some Rock songs,but Celine doesn’t have any Rock songs.Just The electric guitar below her ballad songs doesn’t make her an Rock singer – FAIL
    Mariah is not just a Hip Hop artist,but also a pop artist. She is a billion times better than Celine in Pop/ballad songs,dance,Soul,etc… According to Hit Parade Charts,her singles,sales and the popularity of her songs worldwide.Celine is just successful as clown and by recycling past songs and hits from ather artists.Don’t be delusional.
    Bye dear pig

  226. TRISH says:

    Emotions has sold 10 million back to 1998.Don’t try to take advantage of my slip pen, a-hole !

  227. TRISH says:

    Yes,Children has great range,Madonna doesn’t have great range,otherwise,she would be able to sing high note and Whistle effortless.Don’t try to mix vocal range with singing skills !

  228. TRISH says:

    No,no idiot.Mariah doesn’t show her singing skills when she hit very loud and powerfull belts and notes,or her whistle notes,but her vocal capabilities. There are songs as So Blessed,Vanishing,Hero,etc… that show her unique singing skills and capability,since these songs doesn’t have special notes.

  229. The Reason says:

    ”Dear Mariah hater,your tricks are discovering and showing to everyone right now.You Insist Emotions still sold at 8 – million today”

    Bitch, sit down. Her label and sites show sales of 8m

    for Emotions. I say 9m. End of story.

    ”All these datas were giving by Sony Music 2000,dear a-hole”

    You retard, your post yesterday showed less sales for

    these. Xa xa xa ! It showed 27m for Let’s Talk About Love

    and now it shows 32m. Manipulative trash you FAIL.

    ———————

    Emotions :

    Emotions : Pop

    And You Don’t Remember : Soul

    Can’t Let Go : Pop

    Make It Happen : Rnb, Gospel

    If It’s Over : Rnb, Soul

    You’re So Cold : Pop

    So Blessed : AC

    To Be Arund You : Pop,Rnb

    Till The End Of Time : Pop

    The Wind : Jazz

    This is album is more of a mixed bag than a pure pop

    album.

    Music Box :

    Dreamolver : Pop, Rnb

    Hero : Pop, AC

    Anytime You Need A Friend : Pop, Gospel

    Music Box : Pop

    Now That I Know : Pop

    Never Forget You : Rnb

    Without You : Pop

    Just To Hold You Once Again : Pop

    I’ve Been thinking about you : Pop

    All I’ve ever wanted : Pop

    This is a pure pop album by all means.

    Daydream POP ? LMAO

    Fantasy : Pop, Rnb

    Underneath The Stars : Rnb

    One Sweet Day : Rnb

    Open Arms : Rock, Pop

    Always Be My Baby : Rnb

    I Am Free : Pop, Soul

    When I Saw You : Pop

    Long Ago : Rnb

    Melt Away : Rnb

    Forever : Pop, 50s influenced

    Daydream : Rnb

    Looking In : Pop

    So how come this is a pop album ? Jesus !

    And no, All I want for Christmas is you is NOT rock song.

    Can you mention its rock influences ? No !

    And if you laugh at me for saying a song is rock

    influenced because it features ELECTRIC GUITAR then

    go to a doctor immediately. Dumbass.

    You want to slap me and spit on my face ? Lmao you

    lunatic ! Why ?

    Because I have you cornered and pressed ? Because you

    can’t think ?

    Suck it and get lost. :)))

  230. The Reason says:

    227 and 228. Madonna doesn’t sing high notes. This is

    what I am saying -.-‘ She reaches them but doesn’t

    SING them. Move on. And yes Mariah’s quality is shown

    all through her range. Who said the opposite ? You are

    boring.

    Finally check my commments 295-308 at the previous

    page of this debate. I have been answering to all your

    silly questions about Celine’s album sales and explained

    her labels announcements after you had mentioned her

    Dvd. Funny how trust everything said about Celine by

    her label but when it comes to Mariah’s sales her labels

    make mistakes of 100m records. You are pathetic and dumb.

  231. The Reason says:

    You are such an idiot ! I NEVER mixed singing skills to

    vocal range ! I am saying that these two are different

    things. You used to say that vocal range shows good

    singers. And no children CAN’T SING ! They have range

    cause they go high, but CAN’T SING ! Same with Madonna !

    Omh ! can’t you understand simple English ? :(((

    And Vanishing is a very demanding songs by the way. In

    its live perfomances Mariah would click from chest belt

    to whistle register which is TWO octaves higher.

    I just can’t at your stupidity. You don’t know what you r

    talking about. Get lost. I ve had enough of you for a day.

  232. TRISH says:

    Emotions albums sold 14 million worldwide !

    I repeat it,all Mariah’s 1990’s albums are Pop albums.Except for Butterfly and rainbow !
    Show me when Unison pass to 2 million to 4 million as its not recharted since its release.Show me when Falling Into You 27 million sales by 2000 become 32 million to 20011.since it was not recharted.Why Emotions 8 million at 1998 would increase by just 1 million to 2011 to giving 9 million worldwide in 2011 while Celine Dion album that was at 2 million in 1998 would increase by 4 million new sales to giving 6 million? Same goes for all their albums ! I dare you to explain this,crafty LIAR ! You hate me because I am smart enough to discover your tricks to spread your lies !

  233. TRISH says:

    Yes,I would do anything,just to meet you for slapping you and spitting on your devil face because of so many tricks you use in these debates just to make ill advised ones swallow your lies ! YOU ARE A LIAR ! I disgurting you !

  234. TRISH says:

    So,you are a bigger experts than the Musical experts that state Fantasy a Pop/Rock song and AIWFCIY a Rock Christmas song? You surely find it in a link ! Mariah is a Pop / Hip Hop artist. No question about it !

  235. TRISH says:

    Celine is far to be a Rock artist,sorry.She’s just a Pop/ballad performer and a AC performer very dear,nothing else.

  236. TRISH says:

    YOU SAID EMOTIONS 8 MILLION IN 1998 = 9 MILLION IN 2011
    BECAUSE ITS NOT RECHARTED
    SO. UNISON 1,5 MILLION IN 1998 = 2,5 MILLION IN 2011
    CELINE DION 2 MILLION IN 1998 = 3 MILLION IN 2011
    I COULD GO ON…
    SO SIMPLE.
    CRAFTY LIAR. YOU JUST WANTED TO TAKE DOWN MARIAH’S ALBUMS,WHILE INCREASE CELINE’S. YOU FAIL HATER !

  237. What the what?? says:

    I’M BACK!! Go-ahead. Welcome me! Applaud, cheer, insult me. Whatever makes you comfortable. Looks like I have lots of replying to do here! But I won’t be replying all at once! So tired…
    @ You went back to “TRISH” I see
    Post 154: l will never tired to post comments like other debaters do.I will not the first to leave this debate anymore !”
    Post 170: Your last post for a while
    Post 198: came back
    Also said “I’m done with this debate.Now you are free to say anything you want about these legends.But don’t provoke me please.Otherwise, I will back to confront you…”
    Post 202: “If you want to continue debating with me,don’t hesitate Moff.Just tell me that !”
    Post 207: You start debating again, mostly with your friend The Reason
    If you didn’t know where I was getting at, you’re really confusing.
    I repeat you that you proved nothing at all on the entire debate. – Post 217
    You make me laugh so much. You’re the one accusing someone else of not posting their sources, when you haven’t given one single proof that your estimations are correct.
    You try to sound smart by avoiding giving us proof by asking all of them questions that you can’t answer yourself.
    I’m too tired… Be back tomorrow! Maybe…

  238. Mariah4ever says:

    “She actually SMILED when she sang ”If it’s over”

    in 1991 Grammy. What kind of great performer smiles

    during a tragic sad song ? Mariah is like a robot on

    stage”
    At least Mariah smiled and she was so beautiful.Celine would pull one face and amuse people,with ugly and comedic facial expressions,like she always does in all of her songs.This is so ugly to see !
    Mariah is the most beautiful great-voice artist, skillful vocalist that ever live on earth .The rares beautiful ladies that sing have no voice,the ones that have great voice have no beauty.That’s why there will never be another Mariah Carey !
    Celine =Ugly clown
    Mariah=Beautiful & gorgeous diva

  239. Mariah4ever says:

    Mariah is the only one that have combined a great beauty with amazing /huge vocal talent
    Celine is too ugly to be my model

  240. The Reason says:

    @ Post 232 – 236

    1)Emotions sold 9m. Her label says 8m. Mariah said 10m records by 1998. Her site ”Mariah Journal” says 8m as well.

    2)None of Mariah’s albums were pop as they included many rnb influences among other genres. (gospel, soul. jazz)

    3)Everything else you question on Celine’s albums are clear in posts of the previous page of this debate.(295-308). First of all, you never brought any official announcement here. This is your first huge lie. YOU only posted your biased estimations on Celine’s albums and had the nerve to call it an official Sony Bmg Announcement. YOU claim her Unison album sold 2m by 1998. This list showing Unison standing at 2m doesn’t exist. Moreover I have already proved how Celine’s albums from 1994 were certified in 2000 or 2001 or 2002 or 2003. There are established certification dates and they have all been posted. Most of her 90s stuff got their final certifications in early 00’s. They were counted then. I never claimed Celine’s 90s albums sold millions during the 00s cause I am not crazy like you. YOU are the one to claim Mariah’s Emotions sold over 4m in the 00s decade, so maybe you should be the one to give answers here. You don’t expose any lies as I never lie. Everything I claim in confirmed by the industry, labels, biographies, sites. How do you dare asking me questions when you claim 200m albums for Mariah and then post 160m album sales per country ? I advice you to FIRST explain yourself and THEN make questions to people.

    4)Mariah is an Rnb/Hip Hop and the pop artist. Even her vocal techniques and style and her personal preference prove so. She was highly influenced by rnb, not pop singers. She felt free in 1997 when she did what she wanted. An album with few pop tracks. I am not saying she is not good at pop but point is she doesn’t credit
    herself as a pop artist and nobody else does.

    5) None of Mariah’s songs you mentioned are rock songs. How come Fantasy is a rock song ? Why don’t you prove me what influences make it a rock song ? I already asked you and you don’t reply. This doesn’t strike me as I already know you know nothing on music.

    6) I never credited Celine as a rock artist. I said SOME of her stuff are rock INFLUENCED. She doesn’t even have a pure rock song. Do you think I am dumb and biased to credit Celine for things she never did ? You really need to LEARN TO READ, cause yesterday you indirectly attacked me for crediting Celine for having musicianship.

    7)Everything you wrote on post 236 in capitals (LMAO crazy retard) are all your fake numbers. Don’t you get shamed to say that Sony Bmg said Unison sold 1.5m in 1998 ? YOU posted a while ago it sold 2m by then.
    Then droped by 0.5m ! Something is wrong with you. Not only you post lies but you also forget your actions. Old people have these symptoms. Poor girl.

    8)No lies were exposed. I don’t contradict with sources and certification dates. Sorry. You have to try again.

    9)You want to slap me ? Oh come to Greece then. Otherwise you can kiss my lovely ass.

    @Mariah4ever (TRISH)

    Yes Mariah smiled and she was beautiful as she always is. Still, she is a sh***y performer and this is what we talk about. If you want to defend her performing skills go on and do it. Don’t insult Celine to make Mariah look better. This is pathetic. Nobody mocked Mariah. Why do you mock Celine ? Answer : Cause you are pressed and can’t think to save your life. #Oooops. Celine is also too polite to be your model.

    @ what the what

    Welcome back. You figured out how TRISH is a great
    combination of drama queen and attention whore. She is
    out of control now as she says she wants to beat me and
    spit on Madonna’s and Celine’s face. LOL @ her lunacy.

    Please, take note at her post where she claimed the
    singles from ”Emotions” sold almost 7m copies worldwide, when they only got two Gold Us certifications.
    That would mean her album ”Emotions” sold over 65m
    copies as it is 4xPlatinum in Us and certified worldwide.
    And that cow has the nerve to ask questions on sales.
    Will I be mean to tell her she should finish elementary
    school and learn basic maths ? Lmao. She is so dismissed.
    Keep up the good work, dear.

  241. GAMBIT says:

    Trish,you are right.Madonna doesn’t have a great range as Maria and Whitney,this is a lie.For the sales question,if Emotions sold 9 million by 2011,Celine Dion album would sold 5 million the most,since Emotions was way most successful and got most certifications. than Celine Dion album,whatever say links.
    You are right Trish,Celine’s albums doesn’t reappears on Charts as well as Mariah’s.Besides,not just celine’s albums sales grow up throughout the years,but also Mariah’s.I don’t encourage the insults,but I admit you are right in your claims.

  242. MOFF says:

    Gambit = Trish.

    :)

  243. BUTTERFLY says:

    @ Post 240

    1)Emotions sold 14 million.Her label just use her 1990’s sales and doesn’t update Mariah’s sales by 2011. Mariah said 10m albums by 1998.
    You said: Her site ”Mariah Journal” says 8m as well.Her site also said Mariah is the best selling female artist of all times with sales over 250 million records worldwide.See?

    2)All Mariah’s albums were pop even they included many rnb influences among other genres. (gospel, soul. jazz).They stay Pop albums.
    Nobody says Mariah’s 1990’s albums were 100% Pop.But,We say Mariah is a Pop artist.Neither Celine’s 1990 albums were not 100 % Pop as well as Mariah’s.But,she stay a Pop performer.

    3)You proved nothing n Celine’s 1990’s albums.All that you said is that they surpass Mariah’s cause they were not counted at the 2000 year as Mariah’s.I show you the list of Celine’s sales giving by Sony BMG Music by 2000,but you refute it since it doesn’t support your lies and your crap links. You refute a Sony claim about Celine’s sales while you try to make swallow some fan made links and your delusional statements.Who do you think you are ? A Celine representative ?
    4)Mariah is not border as artist.Her vocal techniques and style match with every musical genres,not only in Rnb/Hip Hop genre.As a pop artist,Mariah is unbeatable in every other genres she performs.Pop/Ballads,AC,Soul/R&B,Dance,Contemporary R&B,Gospel,Rock,Jazz,etc…
    5)Mariah has Someday,You need Me,Bringing On The Heartbreak as pure Rock songs.Celine doesn’t have any pure Rock song.About Fantasy and All I Want For Christmas Is You,just tell your opinion to the experts that states so.I don’t try to credit Mariah as a Rock artist,but I want to show to everyone that Mariah is a multi various artist,not border only in Pop and Hip Hop genres.

    9)You said me: “… Oh come to Greece then. Otherwise you can kiss my lovely ass.” You just counfond me with Moff.Maybe If I were a boy,I would kiss your ass like usually do Moff.But I would rather kick your slut ass !

  244. BUTTERFLY says:

    Lucky Luke = MOFF = What The What

  245. The Reason says:

    @ GAMBIT (TRISH)

    You retard, I never said Madonna has an impressive SINGING range as I clearly mentioned she can’t sing her notes, just screams and becomes thin and annoying. So you can take a fu**ing seat for attacking my knowledge.
    Your sarcasm comes from the person that said Subo is a
    better singer than Mariah ? Sorry, I’ll pass. Second, Celine Dion album INDEED sold like 5m. Why do we have to mention Celine everytime we talk about Mariah’s albums ? Are you pressed bitch ? Stay like that. Who are you to say who is right and wrong ? Aren’t you the big dumbass that called Subo the best selling female artist ? How come you know stuff on Mariah’s and Celine’s sophomore albums in specific when you posted all this bullacrap
    on Subo’s first album ? #Oooops
    You don’t encourage insults ? Bitch go to hell, you entered here insulting Moff as a slut, TRISH as a whore and animal and called me pig. Crazy much ? Yes. C Ya.

    @ GUTTERFLY

    1)How come Emotions sold 8m by 1998 and 6m from 1999-2011 ? PROVE IT ! This would mean her large sellers that sold over 25m copies would sell over 10m during the 00s in PROPORTION as they are her strong sellers
    and most popular albums. #FAIL

    2)Mariah Journal shows sales of 200m records and doesn’t credit her as being the best selling female artist. Here you are lying creep :
    mariahjournal.com/infozone/charts/albums/worldwide/index.shtml
    #LIE EXPOSED
    #BIG FAKE ASS OWNED

    3)An album featuring many genres is a mixed bag. Not a pure pop album. If you put 3 balls of chocolate ice cream and 1 strawberry and 1 vanilla you don’t eat chocolate you dork. You taste a nice combination of flavours. This is the case we Mariah’s 1990-1995 albums.
    NEXT->

    4)Celine’s albums were all 90%+ pop. A few tracks that were not pop, where still pop in their base and influenced by some other genres. NEXT->

    5)You showed no list because you changed the numbers the 2nd time you posted it. How come there is an official Sony Bmg list about Celine and I ignore about it ? When you mentioned her sales based on the All The Way Dvd I responded as I knew about it. Who do you think you are for mentioning lists you can’t prove ? A Sony Bmg Representantive ? Here I am ! I am asking you a straight question. Where did you find this list ? Where ? *waiting*

    6)Who said Mariah is a border artist you idiot ? Did I ever implied she is limited ? Tell me you are sick ? You are uneducated ? What is your fu**ing problem ? I know damn well Mariah’s flexibility over music genres, she can sing almost everything. What I said is that she is infuenced by rnb artists. FACT. Most of her stylistic singing stuff are mainly used in rnb singing. FACT. She is widely expressed by rnb and hip hop. FACT. These facts don’t make her limited and I never said something like that.

    7)None of these are pure rock songs. Someday is dance pop as well, You Need Me has too careful and soft musical instrumentation (except for the solo) to be credited as pure rock and Bringing on the heartbreak is rnb in parts. If You need me is considered pure
    rock for you then I guess you should consider Celine’s Des mots qui sonnent and J’irai ou tu iras pure rock. If Someday is rock for you then Dans un autre monde is
    pure rock. If Bringing on the heartbreak is pure rock then Tout pres du bonheaur and Tout l’or des hommes are
    pure rock by all means.

    8)No dear, Moff could never drop his level to say he wants to beat people or spit them. This is your big difference. He doesn’t have psychological problems. You do. And I think you deserve to kiss my ass, than touch my face. You are good enough for my ass, not my face.

    9)Your post 144 is ignored.

    10)Before you ask questions on sales maybe you should either take back or explain how Mariah sells 200m albums when your sales per market show 160m and then explain how two gold Us certifications equal to sales of 7m copies. This would mean the album ”Emotions” sold over
    65m worldwide in proportion.

    Back to your trailer lovely retard, insect.

    @ MOFF

    I know. Tane was right, while I have to admit I never thought of it in the start. Now I see, it is not by chance he appeared when Trish had nothing to answer on Mariah’s Japanese sales, got cornered and had ”left” the debate. She show Gabmit was over for his stupidity
    so she returned as the peaceful girl that wants to leave.

    @ Tane

    You are a goddess. You figured out some sh***y tactics
    right from the start. You got my respect, girl.

  246. TRISH says:

    1)Mariah Daily Journal already shows sales of 250m records and credit her as being the best selling female artist.I had read it on March 2010 during Mariah’s pregnancy.
    2)Mariah’s 1990’s albums are called Pop albums whatever if they are influenced by other musical genres.I never seen they put mixed album bag for Mariah’s Emotions,Daydream,Mariah Carey,etc…
    Besides,even Mariah’s R&B albums are influenced by the Pop genres and some other genres.They are not 100% Hip/Hop.

    3)You are just embarrassed by my list.Because you are just unable to refute my list about Sony which concern Celine’s 1990’s albums sales.Since you usually claim Celine’s 1990’s albums were not clear unlike Mariah’s just to make swallow that Celine’s 1990’s albums surpass Mariah’s -FAIL

    7) Someday is a pure Rock song.
    . If You need me is pure
    rock beside Celine’s Des mots qui sonnent and J’irai ou tu iras that have nothing to do with Rock music,except for the electric guitar.
    How dare you compare Someday with the trash song Dans un autre monde ? Do you think than those songs could be Rock songs just because this is Celine that perform them ?
    You also compare Bringing on the heartbreak with Celine’s Tout pres du bonheaur and Tout l’or des hommes .You just forget than everyone can listen to these songs and discover how much you are a creep liar ! HOW COULD YOU COMPARE BRINGN ON THE HEARTBREAK WITH CELINE’S TOUT L’OR DES HOMMES ON ROCK INFLUENCE?????????????????????????? ARE YOU FOOL ?????
    I have nothing to say after this. You are completely ill because of this camel called Celine.

    8) How would a healthy guy could talk about his ass ? True and healthy guys talk about their dick and are proud about it.There is just half-guys like you that are proud enough about their asses to talk about it like this.Dear,it’s normal that Moff f**ck your ass since he’s your husband.But about me I have to kick your ass and spit on your face.Maybe Moff could never drop his level to hurt you by insults,but he take pleasure to hurt you by fuc**ng your slut and spoil ass.Bitch !

  247. TRISH says:

    Mariah’s Emotions sold 14 million worldwide.You fail in your crap theories.You proved nothing at all. Sorry,you’d better forget your clown and your coward husband called Moff that you never stopped to defend.What a shame,you make me want to vomit !

  248. The Reason says:

    1) You are a big liar. I showed you the link of her site and it still claims 200m records just like Island Def Jam did in December 2010 while promoting her Xmas album. You don’t get anywhere with lies. Moreover, even if her
    site claims 250m records, that alone puts you in total shame for claiming 300m records. In both cases you are the delusion dumbass. #FAIL

    2) These albums are pop and rnb and feature other genres so you can’t just call everything pop, unless you are an ignorant. #Oooops you are ! Daydream was the album were she leaned towards urban and rnb/hip hop while balancing the whole album with pop AC tracks. You said Mariah’s Fantasy (Remix) made her influential for mixing pop/rnb with hip hop. So how come Daydream is a pure pop album and not an rnb/pop album ? Logic thought will make you repeat yourself again like a fool. Poor thing. :/

    3) Yes dear. You said it right. I embarrassed YOUR list. Not any list by Sony Bmg. Official lists exist on the internet. Biased, crappy lists exist on your retarded head. You would show me the list if you could. But you can’t. Yes you read right. I challenge you and tell you, you can’t. And yes, Celine’s 90’s albums received their certifications up to 2004.
    #FACT

    4)Someday is a dance song. Why do people dance on the video ? If it was a rock song you’d probably see Mariah rocking and not moving like she’s dancing. It is a perfect mix of soft rock and dance pop. Next ->
    You say Celine’s songs are not rock despite the fact that they use electric guitar ? Ok. So what makes Mariah’s songs pure rock ? Someday doesn’t have
    anything more than the Celine’s songs I mentioned in terms of arrangements. Anyone can listen to the respective Mariah’s and Celine’s songs and see I am so right…again ! They are not pure rock songs. Just influenced by the rock genre.

    5) I talked about my ass because crap comes out of it. And you belong exactly there. Next to my crap. Got it ? That’s your place. You don’t have enough value to suck my dick. My dick is too good for your sloppy wet mouth.
    By the way, I love how think you are in position to define and judge what is right and healthy. Maybe you’ll know better in 2012 after you’ll have spend 2 full years of your miserable life mocking people in here. How ironic !

    6) No bitch. Reply how Emotions sold 8m by 1998 – YOU said so and 14m by 2011. I don’t make any theories on this album. YOU are the one that can’t explain how this album sold over 6m from 1999-2011. It is simple question. What makes you unable to reply ? :-)

    7) Now go back to a mental hospital. Moff will be like you once he starts saying he feels the need to hurt people.

  249. The Reason says:

    PS : Someday is actually Jackswing. Bringing On The

    Heartbreak is rock/rnb and features a gospel choir. You

    need me is pop/rock and Open Arms is pop/rock/AC ballad.

    There it ends. No pure rock song. As of Daydream it is

    60% rnb. Period. Make it happen is rnb/gospel.

  250. tane says:

    it has been said before by Whitney houston ‘why people do this is beyond me, I think its really shallow of people to be comparing artists together’

    people here especially me, are all being quite shallow:/
    not to be mean or anything but hmm how do I put this, I think we all need to accept the truth of the facts being displayed here , but how can we when each and every fact we bring here are all completely different?

    @trish your facts are thorough but can be wrong at times, your undeniably a true Mariah Carey fan and I totally respect that, but what I don’t respect is some of the lies. I don’t hate you trish believe me, in person I believe we can be good friends but some of the lies I just don’t like. and when you said I tried to get sympathy from them that was just so ironic of you.

    by brains going in overload with all this info from everyone haha:)

  251. The Reason says:

    @ tane

    She lied that ”Mariah Journal” mentioned sales od 250m.
    You know the site very well so you know who speaks the
    truth.

    She lied that Sony Bmg released a list in 1998 (then changed to 2000) where Unison’s sales stood at 2m then 1.5m. Surprisingly enough she can’t show us the list.

    She lied the singles from Emotions sold 7m, while the only got 2 gold Us and 1 gold N.Zealand certification.

    She lied that Emotions sold over 6m during the 00s, while
    the album never charted again since 1992 and is considered Mariah’s less popular 90s studio album by far. This would mean her more popular and well known albums would sell like 10m the least during the 00s.

    She will try to copy paste my answer – as usual – blaming me for lies. But my posts don’t have lies – she just calls lies the things SHE DENIES ! But every time I
    call her out on her lies she just avoids the subject.

    I am glad you figured out her lies and her crappy biased
    tactics. She never answers questions, she only changes subject targeting and mocking Celine.

  252. TRISH says:

    1) You are a creep vulture. You showed nothing about Mariah’s record sales.Mariah Daily Journal claimed Mariah the best selling female artist of all times with sales over 250 million of records .I am right about everything I claimed here !
    FAIL

    2) These Mariah 1990 albums are pop albums.They are called Pop albums.Mariah Carey and Daydream won many Awards for the Pop category,not Pop and rnb and feature other genres category. FAIL
    Daydream is mainly a Pop album.The album doesn’t include the remix of Fantasy.The Single of Fantasy got the Remix with ODB,not the Daydream album.
    FAIL
    3) Yes dear.This is me,that embarrassed you and YOUR lies.I clearly show the Sony BMG List,but you can’t say crap about it ,cause your crap links doesn’t got enough lies to refute this list. FAIL
    Celine’s 90’s albums received their certifications up to 2004 because this is only by 2003 that they started to sell.So simple.That doesn’t make her a huge seller. FAIL

    4)Someday is a Rock song.Maybe Celine’s songs are Rock just because she Rocks with her huge nose,but that have any musical value… pffftt !

    5) You talked about your ass because many dicks usually enter inside it,including Moff’s dick. You are a shameless BITCH.Besides,there is any difference between a crap and you.I think that you are a billion times worst then crap, as you usually eat it.You don’t worth to belong even next to my crap,you can only eat it cause the crap is superior to you.You like to eat crap ? Good for you,continue to eat it cause this is the better thing that you worth to eat.
    About sucking dick, I think that you are better on this than me,since you implore every male debaters on Popdirt blogs to let you sucking their dicks. Oooooought !!!!!!! ….. Pervert Slut !
    You don’t have dick at all for your own.Otherwise,you wouldn’t implore any guy like you do just to suck their dicks,then be fu**ed by them. What an ashamed bitch ! Then you say you finish lawyer school ! Great ! You’ll be a very good blowjob Lawyer !

    By the way,How could I suck your dick when you want to suck other guys dicks for your own? If I was a bitch,I would suck a dick from a man or from a real boy,not from a wanna be man.You are even not a half man.Your mother would surely be more proud of you if she had an abortion than giving birth to a perfect crap like you……xxzxx !

    6)Emotions sold 10m by 1998 – Then 14m by 2011. End Of Story !
    Unison sold 1,5 in 1998,by 2011 it reach 2 million worldwide.
    Celine Dion sold 2 million in 1998,now its sales reach 3 million
    Any of them never reappered in charts,just like Emotions.
    Explain Celine’s Ceine Dion 2 million- 1998 – Then 6 million -2011 if you dare !

    7) You can say anything you want to defend Moff,since he will satisfy you later by fuc**g your miserable ass that nobody want to fu** anymore ,cause it is too much damaged by several thousands of dicks that make it more and more deeper. Bitch !

  253. TRISH says:

    Tane,I don’t lie.Just consult the All The Way DVD Video.You will see very clearly Sony give every Celine’s Albums sales till May 2000.I Own this DVD video since July 2001 Tane,believe me.Since this time,every Celine’s 1990 albums sales were clear.So, saying that Celine surpass Mariah’s by 20 million album just because she got 2 or 3 supplementary new certifications sales by 2001 – 2003 is just a pure lie.The All The Way DVD even give the sales of All The Way album,that was at 16 million till May 2000. You will see every Celine’s sales for all her albums since 1990 to 2000 year.Everything was clear about her sales as well as Mariah’s sales.This is not a today link that could change those facts !

  254. TRISH says:

    Tane,read it please.This vampire said MTV Unplugged sold 6- 7 million worldwide, while Sony claimed MTV Unplugged album reached 5 million sales worldwide shortly after its release in 1992.When it comes to Celine’s Unison and Celine Dion albums,he says that their 2011 sales reach 4 and 6 million respectively whereas till 1992,Unison reached 1 million sales worldwide and Celine Dion reached 2 million sales worldwide till 1993.So,how could MTV Unplugged increase by just 1 million new sales when Celine’s Unison and Celine Dion would increasing by 4 million new sales each ? can you explicit this to me Tane ? As you know,Emotions was way more popular than these both Celine’ Albums.When it come to Mariah’s albums,this vermin say they were not recharted,so their sales couldn’t increase by more than 1 million.But what about Celine’s album? Are they recharted unlike Mariah’s ?

  255. TRISH says:

    This vampire always try to take down Mariah’s sales certifications by saying Celine has much more Certifications sales than Mariah.For example,for A New day Has Come album, Celine needs to got Certifications sales coming from 20 different countries in the whole Europe to reach 3 million sales,while Mariah needs just 6 Platinum certifications sales just in USA to blow her away by 6 million sales for The Emancipation Of Mimi.See ? So,talking about Gold,Platinum,Diamond certifications sales mean nothing when the sales are not expressed clearly.Certifications sales worth nothing in Europe compare with USA.

  256. TRISH says:

    Tane,I really saw in Mariah Daily Journal they claimed Mariah the best selling female artist of all times with sales of 250 million records,you must believe me.I had read it in a interview at Marsh 2011,when Mariah had some nude photos with Nick Cannon for some Magazines covers during the last days of her pregnancy.I swear it,I don’t lie.

  257. TRISH says:

    1) You are an uncomparable liar and a vulture.You showed nothing on Mariah’s sales,only delusional crap links and pathetic lies.Island Def Jam doesn’t count Mariah’s 1990 albums.Only Sony/Columbia could state about Mariah’s albums.Def Jam could only give estimations about Mariah’s sales between 2002- 2010.
    FAIL

    2) These Mariah’s albums are pop albums.Either they got some rnb and feature other genres,they stay Pop albums.
    FAIL
    3)Mariah’s Daydream album doesn’t include the remix of Fantasy,the Single of Fantasy includes the Remix with ODB,not Daydream album FAIL

    Daydream won an American Music Award as Best Pop/Rock Album- So,tell your little opinion to the musical experts that states so. FAIL

    3)No dear.This is me that embarrassed YOUR crap links and delusional theories by which Celine’s 1990’s albums surpass Mariah’s. FAIL
    I challenge you to show how Unison,Celine Dion and The Colour Of My Love could ever surpass respectively 3,4 and 12 million sales.Since any of them didn’t recharted since their release at the 1990’s.

    Celine’s 90?s albums received their certifications to 2004 because they started to sell only by 2003.That doesn’t mean they reached huge amount of sales. FAIL

    4)Someday is a pure dance song.You Need Me and Bringin’ On The Heartbreak is 80 % Rock.Any of Celine’s french song you cited has nothing to do with Rock music. FAIL

    [REMOVED]

    6) Emotions sold 10m by 1998 – Then 14m by 2011.
    7) Moff will be like me if he refused to fu** your bony and miserable ass ? You would be deceived if Moff would say he doesn’t want to hurt your damaged ass anymore .BITCH !

  258. The Reason says:

    1) You are still lying and anyone can see what Mariah

    Journal mentions as of June 2011. Failure is all yours.

    2) They are called pop albums by ignorants like you. 60%

    of Daydream is rnb. It the album where she leaned

    towards urban rnb and her label didn’t like that

    decision. Same goes for Motolla who had fight with her.

    Mariah wanted BoyzIIMen – an rnb group – in the album,

    who pissed Tomy off. Melt Away, Long Ago, Underneath The

    Stars, One Sweet Day, I Am Free, Always Be My Baby,

    Daydream are all rnb.

    3) You showed no list. First you said the list was

    released in 2000, then 1998 while posting her Unison

    album sold 2m (first list) and then changed to

    1.5m. You still think you showed a list ? Sorry. Give me

    the link. How come you found a list and I can’t see it

    on the internet ? Oooops Then you post to Tane that

    you saw this list on 2001 ! Decide you slut, it is

    1998 ? 2000 ? 2001 ? or shut the fu** up, lying creep.

    4) Someday is jackswing. Next. You can’t answer what

    makes Mariah’s songs rock and Celine’s not rock and this

    is why you mock Celine. How pathetic you are.

    5) I talked about my ass, because you are good enough to

    suck it. Let’s not repeat all this. Just accept where

    you belong. The rest things you said hardly make sense.

    #IGNORED

    6) ”Emotions sold 10m by 1998 – Then 14m by 2011. End

    Of Story !” You think you somehow debate like that ?

    You think I won’t insist ?

    ”Explain Celine’s Ceine Dion 2 million- 1998 – Then 6

    million -2011 if you dare !”

    Show me the list, if you dare and I swear to my life, I

    will explain everything you want.

    7) Post 253 is ignored because answers are already given

    on this Dvd.

    8) I say Unison sold 3m copies and Celine Dion 5m

    copies. Try again. Your post 254 shows now your

    inability to read. MTV Unplugged sold 7m copies

    as all her sites and limited certifications show.

    9) Post 255 proves you have no logic. I never boasted

    about Celine’s certifications as A WHOLE, cause I know

    Celine is popular in many micro markets where a

    certification would mean 10k of sales. Next dear ->

    You are boring.

    10) Post 256 is a huge lie. Tane knows the site and

    posted it twice in the past just to prove you wrong for

    the bullcrap you talked about on Mariah’s Japanese

    sales. #FAIL Second, why would anyone believe and trust

    you when you say ”I read an article on this site” !

    Aren’t you the same person that used to lie she trusts

    info from magazines and then got cornered by me as no

    magazines give Mariah the title of best seller ? hmm…

    oh yeah you are ! So you are not in position to demand

    trust from anyone here. Move your ass to post your

    fu**ing lists. How come you can’t post something you

    read on the internet ?

    11) Post 267 : Sony Bmg announcements don’t contradict

    with the ones by Island Def Jam. #FAIL Manipulative

    slut ! You also contradict with all Sony Bmg

    Announcements till 2001, so why do you bother attacking

    me ? Lmao ! #FAIL Moreover, even if we forget about

    labels it also Mariah’s management team, her own words,

    biographies and official sites that confirm she sold like

    200m records + ! #BIG FAIL

    12) An album featuring 10 songs, 5 of them pop and rest

    from other genres would be considered pure pop by an

    idiot. #Ooops. I can accept being MAINLY pop, but PURE

    pop ? Bitch, have a fu**ing seat.

    13) So Daydream is a rock album as well ? #DEAD

    14) ”I challenge you to show how Unison,Celine Dion and The Colour Of My Love could ever surpass respectively 3,4 and 12 million sales.Since any of them didn’t recharted since their release at the 1990?s.”

    I challenge you to show me a site where this list is

    featured and I will reply next. :-) I can’t reply to

    things when I think they are part of your imagination.

    15) ”Celine’s 90?s albums received their certifications
    to 2004 because they started to sell only by 2003.
    That doesn’t mean they reached huge amount of sales. FAIL”

    Who told you her albums started selling in 2003 you

    retard ? Next —> Before writing the word FAIL make

    sure you have articulated your arguments properly,

    retarded weirdo.

    16) All Celine songs I mentioned are rock influenced.

    #FAIL Still, it would be nice having some brain to see

    I don’t try to credit Celine for some assets. LOL

    17) I don’t know what’s your problem. Saying Mariah’s

    less popular 90s album sold effortlessly 4m in the

    past decade, would mean her best sellers sold like 10m

    copies. You don’t make me angry for repeating this. You

    make yourself look like a fool, and yes I know nobody

    knows you here in person, nobody knows your face and

    stats, but it is clear I am talking to a stupid person

    that posts crap, only to react to what I say. It is a

    dumb tactic that leads nowhere. Change it. When we talk

    about Mariah we talk about Mariah.

    18) The repeated insults are ignored.

    Funny how you think you are able to ask questions when

    you still can’t explain how Mariah sells 200m albums,

    when your estimations show 160m per market. Funny how

    there is a HUGE contradiction of 40m copies IN YOUR

    OWN WORDS ! What are you saying bitch ? That Celine

    sold only 200m records ? Ok ! Who cares if she sold

    200m like you say, or 220m+ like Billboard says or

    230m+ like I say. Who cares ? The big problem here is

    YOU claiming 300m for Mariah, contradicting with all

    sources and acting like a dumb lazy ass thinking you

    somehow can corner me. Get a brain for a change.

  259. MOFF says:

    sorry, I hadn’t been here for a while. But what I have just seen in this debate is: Oh my god!

    TRISH ? You are out of control!

    Actually talking about dicks and asses won’t help you to get healthy again, you are a destroyed person who needs psychological help – urgent!

  260. TRISH IS A FRAUD says:

    POST 215

    ”Everyone listen to me.There is Celine’s 1990?s albums worldwide sales till May 2000.
    Unison 2 million
    – Celine Dion 4 million
    -The Colour Of My Love 12 million
    -D’eux The French Album 7 million
    -These Are Special Times 8 million
    -Falling Into you 27 million
    -Let’s Talk About Love 27 million
    -All The Way A Decade Of Songs 16 million”

    POST 221

    ”Unison 4 million
    About Celine’s albums
    – Celine Dion 6 million
    – The Colour Of My Love 15 – 17 million
    – Falling into you 32 million
    – Let’s talk about Love 31 million
    – These are Special Times 12 million
    – All The Way,A Decade Of Songs – 16 million
    All these datas were giving by Sony Music 2000,dear a-hole.”

    POST 223

    ”Celine Dion album couldn’t surpass 3 million sales nowadays,since its 1998 sales were at 2 million worldwide.Inform yourself a-hole.”

    POST 236 :

    ”UNISON 1,5 MILLION IN 1998 = 2,5 MILLION IN 2011”

    POST 253 : ”Just consult the All The Way DVD Video.You will see very clearly Sony give every Celine’s Albums sales till May 2000.I Own this DVD video since July 2001 ”

    ——-> RESULT :

    First comment we have a list released in 2000. The sales

    facts of this list are changed on the very next post.

    Then we have info for 1998, instead of 2000. Then

    Unison’s sales change from 2m to 1.5m. Then we forget

    about 2000 or 1998 and we see a list of Celine’s Dvd

    that was actually released on February 2001. And this

    big fraud still insists she PROVED A LIST ! LMAO Retard.

    Don’t ever come back. You made a fool of yourself

    already.

  261. TRISH IS A FRAUD says:

    So Celine can’t sell 1m of her Unison album in 12 years

    but Mariah CAN sell 6m of Emotions in that era. LMAO

    And that bleep tries to say I am biased… -.-‘

  262. TRISH IS A FRAUD says:

    I can play the same game as Trish.

    – She says Emotions sold 14-15m and D’Eux 9m.

    Let’s see her credibility.

    Emotions : 4xP Us, 1xP Europe, 4xP Canada, 1xP

    Australia and Million Japan = 6.5m+ by its certifications

    in the world’s MOST POPULAR AND KNOWN MARKETS.

    D’Eux : 8xP Europe = 8m coming from one market.

    Still according to TRISH D’Eux is outsold by almost a

    DOUBLE amount of copies. According to Nielsen Soundscan

    D’Eux sold 300k in Us and we all know it is 7xP in

    Canada. So the 9m are established by only 3 music

    markets. Where does Emotions sell the rest 9m ?

    In Latin America, Africa and the little Asian markets ?

    Xa xa xa xa xa ! What kind of FACTS prove this ? Same

    markets were Butterfly is supposed to sell over 10m ?

    #LMAO

    – Trish says The Colour Of My Love sold just like

    Emotions, if not less. Let’s see her credibility again :

    The Colour Of My Love : 6xP Us, 4xP Europe,

    Diamond in Canada, Million in Japan.

    Already 12 MILLION COPIES without counting its huge

    success in Oceania ! Emotions sells 6.5m in these

    markets but somehow is in the same level as Celine’s

    album on a worldwide level. Makes sense ? NO ! Only

    a biased lying creep would post such dumb crap.

    THE SICK LIAR OF THIS DEBATE IS EXPOSED BY ALL MEANS !!!

  263. LUCKY LUKE IS A FRAUD says:

    So Mariah can’t sell 1m of her Emotions album in 12 years

    but Celine CAN sell 4m of Celine Dion album and Unison in that era. LMAO

    And that bleep tries to say I am biased… -.-’

  264. The Reason says:

    The word ”bleep” doesn’t exist in English or any other

    language. It was a typing mistake. LOL at your copy

    paste system. I told you to stop it long ago, but you

    never listened to me. And what do you get now ? Acting

    like a fool by using vocabulary that doesn’t existe.

    Aaaaah, you’ll never learn.

    Second, I actually accept how Emotions logically sold

    9m worldwide by 2011, while it had sold 8m by 1998

    according to Mariah and her label. And the other

    accusation is invalid as long as I don’t see the list.

    You show the list and I reply to everything. Till then

    all accusations against me are invalid. And please do me

    a favour to decide which year this list was announced,

    cause I can’t reply to 3 different lists, showing 3

    different sales facts. LOL This is a mess. Thanx.

  265. The Reason says:

    Correction : I actually never said ”Unison” sold 2m by

    2000 and 3m by 2011. All I am saying is the second scale

    of this. I never mentioned the sales of these two albums

    by era ! I never mentioned how much they sold by 1998 or

    2000 ! So I don’t get the sarcasm at all. I am accused of

    contradicting to a list, not my own words. You are

    accused of contradicting to your own words, when you

    claim MC sold 200m albums and then show 160m per market.

    So this is a huge difference ! On top of this,

    you repeated many times that Emotions sold over 6m in

    the 00a for a total of 14m+ copies. You repeat that

    Emotions sold as much as TCOM while their respective

    certified sales in the world’s most popular markets

    stand at 6.5m and 12m respectively. If you find logic in

    this, I rest my case. But ok, I know you think

    Mariah does everything better than Celine so all this

    might seems very possible to you. But what about

    comparing what you said about Emotions to what you

    said about other Mariah albums ? For instance, how come

    The Emancipation Of Mimi sells 12m copies according to

    you and it is beaten down by Emotions that sold

    14m copies ? TEOM sold 6m in Us alone, while Emotions

    sold 6m in Us, Canada, Europe, Japan combined. I don’t

    get how still insist. Your arguments don’t make sense

    whether I compare them to Celine’s or Mariah’s albums.

    If I am a liar for contradicting to a list you never

    brought, how should I call you for contradicting with

    your own words and posts multiple times ? Bye Trish.

  266. popdirt says:

    @The Reason – I bleeped a curse word

  267. The Reason says:

    @ popdirt

    Well, the whole copy past system is still dumb, lol.

    Thanx for the correction !!

  268. TRISH says:

    Moff,keep your words straight,devilish a-hole ! You see very well that’s Lucky Luke who’s the first that talk about ass, crap and dick.I just reply to his insults.Shut your mouth Moff.You can’t open your ugly mouth without defend your alter ego then blame me.

  269. TRISH says:

    Lucky Luke compare the Emotions sales with TCOML ? Just make this same logic about A New Day Has Come sales.Its European + US = Canadian sales = 7 million.So how could you say A New Day Has Come sold 11 million worldwide ? Not just Mariah’s sales are limited to what are giving by certifications sales,crafty liar !

  270. TRISH says:

    I mean European + US + Canadian sales = 7 million. For ANDHC

  271. TRISH says:

    You said Emotions sold 6 million in US,Canada,Europe and Japan combined.But same goes for Celine’s Eponymous album.Its US + Europe + Canada + Japan sales reach 3,5 million.So,how could we say it reach 6 million sales worldwide ?
    About The Colour Of My Love,you usually say 18 – 19 million for its worldwide sales while Certification reach only 12 million sales.You are a vampire lucky Luke.You already said that TCOML surpass Mariah Carey eponymous album while Mariah Carey’s US + Europe sales equals 11 million + Japan sales = 12 million.I even don’t talk about its Asian sales that surpass Celine’s TCOML by far ! Same goes for the All The way album that you try to claim 21 million while you claim 17 million for Mariah’s # 1’S. You are so creep ! In Facts,All the way sold 18 million while # 1 ‘s sold 21 million worldwide.

  272. TRISH says:

    About the list I gave for Celine’s sales in 2000 year.Just check what say the All The Way DVD,since you said Celine’s 1990’s albums weren’t clear in 2000 year,just to spread your lies and claim her 1990’s albums surpass Mariah’s.Although every sources claim the opposite.You can run but you can’t hide.You could never prove Celine’s 1990’s albums surpass Mariah’s by even 1 million ! Mariah still ahead of Celine for her 1990’s albums ! No crap links and sources can’t change it !

  273. TRISH says:

    You usually claim that your main problem with me is that I still demand 200 million albums for Mariah.But,did you ever have an agreement with Mandy ? Carla? Momo ? That claim Mariah surpass Celine by a few million of albums ? You even try to equals Celine’s Singles with Mariah’s while everyone knows Celine is a weak single seller while Mariah is a great single seller ! You are so crafty ! You always find a way to justify your lies then refute some real facts by crap links,lists and sources !

  274. B. Mars says:

    I think these certifications will end the rumour of the 21 million sales of Number Ones by Mariah Carey:

    #1’S

    South Africa 100.000 (2x Platinum)
    Germany 250.000 (Gold) #10
    Argentina 100.000 (Platinum)
    Australia 100.000 (Platinum)
    Austria 25.000 (Gold) #6
    Brasil 1.250.000 (5x Platinum) #4
    Bulgary 175.000 (5x Platinum)
    Canada 300.000 (3x Platinum) #6
    Singapore 200.000 (10x Platinum) #1 (12 weeks)
    China 1.000.000 (shipped) 610.000 (sold)
    Korea 300.000 (3x Platinum) #1 (7 weeks)
    Denmark 58.000 (Platinum) #7
    United States (BMG Music club) 1.000.000
    United States (RIAA) 5.000.000 (5x Platinum) #4 (2 weeks)
    United States (SoundScan) 3.413.000 (until 01/08/2004)
    Spain 100.000 (Platinum) #7
    Europe 2.000.000 (2x Platinum)
    Philipines 100.000 (2x Platinum) #1 (11 weeks)
    France 680.000 (2x Platinum) #2 (3 weeks) – compilation chart
    Greece 50.000 (Platinum)
    Holland 80.000 (Platinum) #13
    Japan (Oricon) 2.810.000 #1 (2 weeks)
    Japan (Shipments + Imports) 3.600.000
    Italy 300.000 (3x Platinum)
    Israel 20.000 (Gold)
    Malaysia 300.000 (6x Platinum) #1 (15 weeks)
    Norway 20.000 (Gold) #6
    New Zealand 30.000 (2x Platinum) #8
    United Kingdom (BPI) 300.000 (Platinum) #10
    Czech Republic 10.000 (Gold)
    Sweden 80.000 (Platinum) #8
    Switzerland 50.000 (Platinum) #3
    Taiwan 400.000 (8x Platinum) #1 (12 weeks)
    Venezuela 15.000 (Gold)
    India #2
    Belgium #6
    Finland #9
    Hungary #15

    How come #1s sold 21 million ?

  275. The Reason says:

    @ POST 269 :

    ANDDC : Us 3m + 600k Cnd + 3m Eur + 150k Jpn + 150k Aus

    = Almost 7m + number 1 spot at Africa, Argentina and

    Mexico (but no big deal about them). So, this is why I

    give 11m to A New Day Has Come, which is around 2m more

    compared to Emotions. Still, this is NOTHING

    compared to what YOU post because YOUR sales difference

    stands at almost 6m : Emotions (6.5m in big markets) ,

    TCOML (12m in big markets) ! Yet you insist they are

    equal or that Celine’s album is beaten down. So fix this

    huge gap OF 6 MILLION and then attack me for these

    insignificant mistakes of 2 MILLION sales.

    @ POST 271 :

    I stood corrected long ago and already said the Celine

    Dion album sold 5m worldwide. 3.5m+ of them come from

    the markets you cited and the rest from the other word.

    You still attack me for putting 1.5m to a Celine album,

    while you post 200m albums for Mariah and your other

    posts show sales of 160m. Why don’t you FIRST fix that

    huge contradiction of 40 MILLION ALBUMS and THEN spend

    time on difference of 1.5 MILLION ?

    POST 271 :

    ”About The Colour Of My Love,you usually say 18 – 19 million for its worldwide sales while Certification reach only 12 million sales”

    You have to be joking now ! Butterfly sold 5m in Us, 1m

    Europe , 1m Japan and like 500k in Canada and Oceania :

    7.5m and you have been repeating it sold over 18m

    worldwide. So how come I am the vampire here ?

    I am accused of puting 6 MILLION to a Celine album while

    you put 10 MILLION to a Mariah one..! TEN MILLION !

    ”I even don’t talk about its Asian sales that surpass Celine’s TCOML by far ! ” —>

    Nope. You lie here ! You don’t talk about these because

    we know you totally ignore her Asian sales. It is not

    your choice. Moreover, why don’t you mention Canada and

    Oceania as well ? Oh yeah ! Because Mariah’s debut is

    suprassed :

    TCOML : 1m Canada , 6m Us , 4m Eur , 1m Jap , 560k

    Australia (8XP)

    MC : 700k Canada , 9m Us , 1m Eur , 1m Jap , 140k

    Australia (2xP) = 12.5m VS 11.9m !

    So if you somehow insist I am a liar, prove me wrong by

    bringing their real Asian, African and L.American FACTS

    that make Mariah’s album more successful. You said ”by

    far” , so you must know something I don’t.

    NOW TAKE NOTE ON THAT : THIS IS YOUR WORST COMMENT :

    ”All The way album that you try to claim 21 million while you claim 17 million for Mariah’s # 1?S. You are so creep ! In Facts, All the way sold 18 million while # 1 ‘s sold 21 million worldwide.”

    All The Way : 7m Us , 1m Canada , 5m Europe , 2m Japan ,

    210k Australia (3xP)

    Number 1s : 5m Us , 300k Canada , 2m Europe , 3m Japan ,

    70k Asutalia (1xP) = 15m+ VS 10.4m

    Maybe it’s time for you to reply how the sales from

    all the rest insignificant little markets make Mariah’s

    album not only cover the huge 5m difference but also

    beat down Celine for like 3m, as you claim. IN OTHER

    WORDS YOU SIMPLY TELL US THIS : that Number 1s sold over

    11m copies in rest Asia, Africa and L.America, while

    Celine’s album sold 3m there. So O.O.C. !

    @ POST 272

    Finally you decided on which list you meant. Nice start.

    I know this DVD and I don’t have anything new to add

    to what I had already said many months ago when you

    mentioned this Dvd list again. So I repeat myself :

    Celine’s list showed the sales that were counted/known

    by then. I don’t lie, as Celine recieved her

    certifications up to 2004 for her 90s albums. Deal with

    it. I already showed you these dates that are all

    established facts. It not just the links you call

    biased. She was even present at these 00s ceremonies

    where artists receive their certifications (not to all

    of them, but anyway) ! She was even awarded in 2002 or

    2003. In 2002 she received a Special Latin Billboard

    Award for a song released 4 years prior : My Heart Will

    Go On. In 2002/March 2003 she received 2 IFPI awards

    celebrating the sales of Lets Talk about love (1997)

    (10m mark – certified then) and her total European sales

    as of 2003. Her total UK sales were announced for first

    time in 2002 ! The fact that you don’t believe all the

    certification dates I have been posting doesn’t

    make me a liar. Pretty clear. On top of that it was

    known in 2004 or 2005 (don’t remember exactly) that

    Celine had reached the 5m mark with her Christmas

    album in Us. These are just some examples. And please

    don’t tell me again that Mariah’s albums were certified

    in 00s cause I have already replied to these. Only MC

    albums receiving their last certifications in 00s were :

    Number 1s that got 2xP in Europe in 2003 and her Xmas

    album being 5xP in Us in 2006, I think (was 4xP before).

    And her Rainbow album of course that is always

    considered by me as an 00s album. No comment on the rest

    things you posted (Mariah beats Celine blah blah blah) ,

    they are ignored for obvious reasons : I am not a kid !

    xD

    @ POST 273

    This is the big problem here. Yeap. The rest people

    don’t insist on anything. They post something, I reply –

    IN A POLITE WAY – and they don’t answer back. Lmao. I am

    quite open to sales facts. Second, don’t call me

    crafty and liar for their singles, as I already

    challenged you like 5 times (if not more) to talk about

    it and you indirectly refuse it. It’s not my problem

    if you don’t wanna talk about single sales IN SPECIFIC.

    You avoid being specific and choose to be generic. Fine

    by me, just don’t attack my credibility like that, since

    it’s a topic you have been avoiding for weeks.

    And by the way you have some nerve to call me names

    because of single sales when you are the one to post

    that two Gold Us certifications can lead to a 7m

    mark for sales.

    ”You always find a way to justify your lies then refute
    some real facts by crap links,lists and sources !”

    —> You have selective amnesia. Remember again please !

    In terms of LISTS, you are the one that puts all her

    trust on Celine’s Dvd list and a Wikipedia list showing

    the best sellers. I never brought any lists like that

    but I am accused of bringing list. -.-‘

    This is pure lunacy.

    Second, you could show some maturity and explain why

    each of my links is ”crap”. It is obvious you think I

    try to support Celine by lists, because you NEVER opened

    a link to see that my links are not about estimations

    and lists. It is boring attacking me for biased links,

    since I first brought links here AFTER you told me you

    trusted magazines. And what do magazines show ? Oh yeah.

    That was another fake argument that got dumped. Enjoy

    summer and get over that debate ! I don’t know if I’m

    gonna reply the following days. I’ll be on the

    mountains, Lmao. xD Bye bye <3

  276. The Reason says:

    @ B.Mars

    WOW ! Where did you find these ? Seem very

    exact. I didn’t know she sold that much in China with

    that album. Of course it doesn’t sell 21m in total. Its

    sales from the world’s biggest markets stand at 11m

    (counting the 3.6m from Japan) ! I usually stick to

    the certifications – to be 100% fair – but you brought

    actual detailed sales here. Very Cool ! Please tell your

    references. I want to know anything on MC. Thanx. :-)

  277. Tane says:

    @ B.MARS totally believable!

  278. TRISH says:

    Waw ! Mars you just give the detailed data of Memoir Of An Imperfect Angel sales instead of Mariah’s # 1 album.
    @Lucky Luke it’s normal that you find any biased list that decrease Mariah’s sales correct.You continue to prove how much you are an objective Mariah fan !

  279. TRISH says:

    This is surely not you that could judge about the validity of an Mariah’s sales list.Even if the debater would put 10 unit in each country market,you’ll be more than satisfied

  280. TRISH says:

    B.Mars,Mariah # 1 ‘S album sold 21 million units worldwide.Don’t waste your time on making a biased detailed list.You fail !

  281. TRISH says:

    B Mars even put 3 million sales for its US sales,when everyone knows RIAA certified this album 5 times platinum for sales over 5 million in US.So,how could
    someone swallow your sh**s ? There is only Lucky Luke and other Mariah’s haters that will agree with you my dear.Number 1s : 5m Us , 300k Canada , 2m Europe , 3m Japan ,4 million the less in the rest of Asia

    # 1’S album sold over 21 million worldwide ! Take it honey.

  282. MANDY says:

    1. Music Box 32m/Falling Into You 32m
    Daydream 25m/Let’s Talk About Love 31m
    #1’s 19m/All The Way 20m
    Mariah Carey 18m/ The Colour Of My Love 18m
    Merry Christmas 17m/ These Are Special Times 14m
    Butterfly 16 m/ A New Day Has come 11m
    The Emancipation Of Mimi 12m/ D’eux 9m
    Rainbow 12m / Celine Dion 5 m
    Emotions 10m /One Heart 5m
    MTV Unplugged EP 8m /Taking Chances 3,5m
    Greatest Hits 5m/S’il Suffisait D’aimer 3m
    Charmbracelet 4,7m/ Miracle 2,5m
    Glitter 4m/ /Dion Chante Plamondon 2m
    E=MC 2,8m/ Unison 3,5m
    Memoirs Of An Imperfect Angel 2m/ The Collector Serie 2 m
    The Remixes 1m/ D’elles 2m
    The Ballads 0,8m / On Ne Change Pas 1,7m
    Merry Christmas II You 1 m/ Celine A L’Olympia 1 m
    Playlist 0,4m/Au Coeur Du Stade 1m + My Love 1m +A New Day Live 1m + 1980’s Quebecker albums 1,5m +low selling compilations 2m
    ALBUM SALES = They are (almost) equal

    Mariah Carey worldwide multi million and million seller singles :
    – All I Want For Christmas Is You
    – Without You
    – We Belong Together
    – One Sweet Day
    – Hero
    – Fantasy
    – When You Believe
    – Honey
    – My All
    – Dreamlover
    – I Still believe
    – Obsessed
    – Touch My Body
    – Heartbreaker
    – Thank God I Found You
    – Loverboy
    – Vision Of Love
    – Emotions
    – Love Takes Time
    – I’ll Be There
    – Endless Love
    – Anytime You Need A Friend
    – Make It Happen
    – Someday
    – Can’t Let Go
    – Don’t Forget About Us

    Celine Dion worldwide multi-million and million seller singles.
    – My Heart Will Go On
    – Because You Loved Me
    – The Power Of Love
    – That’s The Way It Is
    – I Am Your Angel
    – To Love You More
    – It’s All Coming Back To Me Now
    – All By Myself
    – Beauty And The Beast
    – Pour Que Tu M’aimes Encore
    – D’amour Ou D’amitie
    – Sous Le Vent
    So,Mariah surpass Celine by a great difference on singles sales.No matter how many each of those singles sold.We see that Mariah has much more million and multi-million seller singles than Celine.( She also much more singles that sold by 500.000 units than Celine ).
    SINGLE SALES=Mariah wins

    DVD SALES = Celine wins
    Mariah 3 million- Celine 5,5 million
    SINGING CAPABILITY = Mariah wins
    Mariah already make her proofs on singing every musical genres unlike Celine.
    VOICE = Mariah wins
    Mariah vocal range : 5 octaves -Celine vocal range ; 2,5 octaves
    ENTERTAINMENT = Celine wins
    POPULARITY = Mariah wins
    Mariah is popular in more countries/continents than Celine.
    Mariah Carey beat Celine in USA,Japan,Korea,China,Taiwan,Hong Kong,Philipines,Brazil, Thailand,Saoudia Arabia,Costa Rica,Jamaica, West Indies ,Australia,New Zealand,Fidji ,Israel ,Brunei
    Celine beat Mariah in Canada,France,UK,Germany,Italia,Spain,Monaco,Belgium,Luxembourg,South Africa.
    INFLUENCE = Mariah wins
    Mariah influences Kelly Clarkson,Beyonce,Nelly Furtado,Jessica Simpson,Alicia Keys,Kat Deluna,Justin Timberlake,Destiny’s Child,Mary J Blige,Backstreet Boys,Trey Lorenz,Pixie Lott,Ciara,Rihanna,Nivea Hamilton,Christina Aguilera,AnastaciaLucie Silvas,…
    Celine influences Charice,Lara Fabian,Garou,etc…
    TOURS AND CONCERT TICKET SALES = Celine wins
    TALENT ( songwriting,composing and producing skills)= Mariah wins
    CONTRIBUTION & PART IN THE EVOLUTION OF MUSIC= Mariah wins
    Mariah is credited as the artist introducing elements of Hip Hop and R&B in Pop culture.Mariah is also credited as the pioneer of Remixes .She’s equally the one that had haul R&B genre on top in USA and popularized this Hip Hop/R&B worldwide.
    FORTUNE =Draw
    For all the 1990 and 2000 decades combined ,both divas are equal .Mariah was richer for all the 1990’s period, like Celine was richer for all the 2000’s period ( most of Celine major sources of income are situated in the 2000 decade,at the other hand most of Mariah’s come from the 1990’s.Celine had major contracts in the 2000’s with American and Canadian brands,Mariah had major contracts in the 1990’s with Japanese and American brands ).
    Conclusion :
    Celine wins in DVD sales,tours & concert ticket sales…
    Mariah Carey wins in :Album sales, Single sales,voice,talent,popularity,influential power,musical and artistic contribution.
    Mariah and Celine are equal in fortune.
    Overall,Mariah is better because she wins in most things.

  283. The Reason says:

    @ POST 278

    I am impressed this list is so detailed. This is what I

    said. I asked references so I can check it myself. Am I

    biased for this ? No. Thanks. Move on.

    #DEAD at your comment about Memoirs. This proves you

    come here to provoke and be sarcastic or repeat yourself

    when you get cornered. :)

    @ POST 279

    Nope, it is you that put over 10m in Mariah’s Butterfly

    while the certifications of its big markets stand at

    7.5m. I never did so.

    @ POST 280

    Number 1s sold 11m and it is out of control thinking

    this album sold over 10m copies in Africa, L.America and

    rest of Asia. How could these little markets ever seem

    equal to sales with the COMBINATION of Us + Europe +

    Canada + Japan + Oceania..!

    @ POST 281

    LMAO ! He put 5m for its sales. It is so detailed. And

    the 5m certification is not for sales but for SHIPMENTS.

    All artists are awarded for SHIPMENTS not actual sales,

    so stop attacking his list and read more carefully what

    he says on Us. He mentions data from the BMG music club

    (1m). And lmao I am not a Mariah hater at all. You are

    stuck in this theory because I don’t admit Mariah is the

    best seller. Use your mind before you post.

    @ MANDY

    Butterfly 16m and A New Day Has Come 11m. Based on their

    certifications Butterfly gets 7.5m (Us, Canada, Europe,

    Japan, Oceania) and A New Day Has Come 7m…I don’t

    think you are right and I don’t think you did your

    research at all. Oh and by the way Celine’s vocal range.

    is Bb2-E6 , 3.5 octaves. LOL She sings the 3rd,

    4th, 5th octave + 2 notes from the 2nd and 3 notes

    from the 6th = 3 octaves and 5 notes. Mariah sings 3

    lower notes and gets the whole whistle register above

    Celine.

    You posted a similar reply long ago so POST 15 remains

    your reply.

  284. MOFF says:

    Bruno Mars’ list is right!

    According to you:

    #s: 5m US, 2m Europe, 300k Canada, 3m Japan and 4 THE LESS in Asia:

    = 14.3 million.

    21 million ? From where? YOU FAIL
    Tell me the exact sales of each nation.

  285. MANDY says:

    Lucky Luke,I didn’t expect that you

    could think that I am right,since I show Mariah sold more records than Celine.Anyway,you would agree with me only if I claimed Celine outsold Mariah.
    Well,about Celine’s vocal range
    Yes,Mariah got her lower notes and gets the whole whistle register above

    Celine.That’s why she has 3 octaves of vocal range over Celine.Mariah is also hyper flexible in her regular notes and belts.So,she has many vocal assets over Celine.
    Celine’s voice does not reach 3 octaves, otherwise she would might start to sing a note whistle as can Christina Aguilera.Christina owns 3.5 octaves but people credits her for 4 octaves because she is able to produce a beginning of whistle.Christina is also able to get much lower than Celine.Celine does not really have low notes,and her high scores are far from the whistle notes.Mariah has a lot more than the whistle notes over Celine.Celine’s voice is not flexible enough to even approach the whistle note.THE whistle notes of Mariah start from 3 octaves to 5.2 octaves.( Listen on Emotions in the part ” You make me feel so higher ! )Mariah reaches 6 different levels of whistle register notes.Celine couldn’t reach even the first level of high notes.Whitney could sing the first level of these high notes.Only Christina could reaches the second level.This is not for nothing that Mariah is credited as the only living creature that already out sang the piano.Celine voice is very far from ‘be comparable to the notes of piano.So,Celine’s voice is far to be worth to compare as Mariah’s . Lol ! Let’s be realistic !

  286. MANDY says:

    Celine’s vocal range doesn’t surpass 2,5 octaves.Whitney and Aretha’s respective voice reach 3 octaves.Christina reaches 3,5 octaves.

  287. The Reason says:

    @ MANDY

    Do you know me ? Do you know if I like Mariah or not ?

    Do you know what her music means to me ? Don’t judge me

    because I say Mariah doesn’t surpass Celine in sales.

    I don’t care about what you think or expect from me. Too

    bad I also expect to debate with SMART people that

    can post REAL arguments ! Instead of replying to me why

    don’t you correct your OBVIOUS MISTAKES ? Why don’t

    you accept a LOGIC THOUGHT ? I am sorry but I can’t

    accept Mariah’s superiority being based on falsified,

    inflated sales such as Butterfly selling over 16m

    copies. Where did you get your facts dear Mandy (nice

    nickname) ? Oh yeah ! Nowhere, YOU INVENTED THEM ! And

    then you indirectly attack me for not swallowing your

    so called facts. How do you expect any logic human

    being with brains in the head believe that Mariah –

    being more talented, more flexible, more popular, better

    vocalist, more beautiful, more creative, better songs,

    better performer, better musician – has got to face LACK

    of public INTEREST and therefore CANCEL some concerts or

    sing at half EMPTY arenas ? How come Mariah can’t

    sellout shows in her NATIVE Us ? Oh yeah, maybe because

    she is not as popular or great as you imagine or want

    her to be. You all boast about her single sales. She

    had like 7 hit singles this decade WORLDWIDE. Good.

    How many singles did she release ? hmm… yeah, 34 !

    Just saying..! It is another perception.

    Now see how you shouldn’t talk at all. —>

    ”Mariah got her lower notes and gets the whole whistle register above Celine.That’s why she has 3 octaves of vocal range over Celine”

    Check a music theory book immediately ! The whistle

    register is in the 7th octave and Celine stops at the

    6th (C6/E6), which is quite behind the whistle register.

    1 octave difference + some low notes is the difference

    between Celine and Mariah. Christina doesn’t get lower

    than Celine, she gets higher as she actually reaches the

    whistle register (First notes). The lowest note

    Christina ever sang is a C3.

    ”Celine does not really have low notes”

    LMAO ! Oh yeah ! She has hit Bb2 and B2 in the songs New

    Dawn and Have you ever been in love so you might wanna

    try again on this. Fact is Celine gets better in

    the 3rd octave than the 2nd. Much better actually but

    that’s not our point.

    ”her high scores are far from the whistle notes”

    Who credited Celine of being close to whistle notes ? -.-

    Oh yeah, nobody. Next.

    ”Celine’s voice is not flexible enough to even approach the whistle note”

    Flexibility has NOTHING to do with the use of the

    whistle register ! Your ”argument” is dumped.

    Flexibility is actually the ability of jumping through

    registers or music genres. Mariah isn’t flexible

    because she uses the whistle register, she is flexible

    because she proved herself in many genres and can jump

    from chest belting to whistle notes. (just an

    example) ! I could see someone attacking Celine for only

    doing pop, but attacking her lack of flexibility because

    she doesn’t use whistle notes ? Nope, this is invalid.

    ”Whitney could sing the first level of these high notes”

    Nope, she couldn’t. Her vocal range drops dead at C#6.

    Whitney never did anything close to whistle. You might

    say Whitney is also not flexible, so you will only make

    me laugh.

    ”Mariah reaches 6 different levels of whistle register notes”

    Big lie ! The lowest Mariah did in whistle is an F5 note

    which is a FIFTH octave note. The rest things you posted

    about the piano make no sense. There is no other way to

    define the notes than using a piano. Lmao so how come

    Celine can’t be ”comparable” to the piano ? Celine’s

    vocal range is 3.4. Bb2-E6 (exclamation) The next time

    you insist on this, post the exact notes that make her

    range 2.5 octaves, since you want to be REALISTIC.

    For your info Whitney’s range is 3.3 octaves (A2-C#6)

    and Aretha’s is 3.6 octaves (F2-E6) ! Both are far away

    from using the whistle register. And don’t fool yourself

    that Mariah’s technique and vocal condition are that

    great today. Just saying…

  288. tane says:

    youtu.be/RnrQNIt5ao4

    ok watch this video! it says that Emancipation of Mimi sold 40 million copies worldwide!

    its a documentary on here on the bio channel WATCH!

  289. tane says:

    this is something I found quite amusing:)
    youtu.be/BFGmD3Z4hM8

  290. MANDY says:

    Neither you don’t know me Lucky Luke.You can not say that my arguments come from nowhere.You said that you want to discuss with smart people.But you measure the smartness of people if they agree with you.You said that I should correct my Obvious mistakes.But I think you’re the first to have to correct your own mistakes.You’ve been here over one year,accusing Trish for all that is negative, while you do not able to digest anything that disadvantages Celine, even if it is a obvious fact. Yes, Mariah sells more records than Celine.Her singles alone, give her a very great advantage over Celine in sales.About the sales Butterfly, yes they reach 16 million worldwide.Butterfly sells good and is very popular in Asia and its sales approaching the million sales in countries such chine.etc … I also can not accept your arguments based on the sources and links cause they are not trustable and which are not proved in the reality.You say that I invent my arguments? People invent the links, people invent sources.Where IFPI come from with the huge sales its claim for Celine in Europe when it even doesn’t count them ? This is obvious that IFPI invent these sales.People even bias data on vocal ability, so they use their languages ??techniques to dissuade amateur people in their ears that allow them to listen. The ears are the best instruments able to judge the voice of artists.When we appreciate the vocal prowess and vocal capabilities of an artist through a song,we don’t have the need to use books of technical vocal knowledge.Our natural senses allow us to judge very well. Celine doesn’t have 3 octave of vocal range.Whitney and Christina outsing Celine higher and lower.Whatever you say,that stay a fact that you,me,links,sources,technical books can change.

  291. MANDY says:

    You are wrong,Celine doesn’t reaches a particular low notes in New Dawn and Have You Ever Been In Love.If you call them Bb2 and B2 you just show your knowledge on vocal terminologies,but you don’t prove Celine reaches 3,4 octaves.Christina usually makes better than that.You are the first to have the need to prove which note make Celine reaches 3,4 octaves.
    @ Tane,that just prove link are not to be trusted.

  292. MOFF says:

    Mandy, you too can’t say Luky Luke should correct his obvious mistakes because everything he said is based on proves – links of the Internet.

    Butterfly has sold 16 million?
    1. most sales come from US and Asia
    5 million US and million in Japan alone – but 16 million ?
    sorry …

    Since you have come here I haven’t seen any link by mediatraffic, RIAA, IFPI or something like that and you say Luky Luke makes mistakes?
    Sorry ! LMFAO!

  293. The Reason says:

    @ MANDY

    ”Neither you don’t know me Lucky Luke.You can not say that my arguments come from nowhere.”

    Saying you arguments come from nowhere is not an insult. It is a fact. This is your third response and you still don’t show me your sources. Therefore I am free to believe you don’t have any sources.

    ”you measure the smartness of people if they agree with you”

    This is wrong. I measure the smartness of people on their ARGUMENTS, not on what they claim. For instance, you said Celine isn’t flexible. I don’t think this is dumb. But you used a dumb argument to support it : that she isn’t flexible because she doesn’t use the whistle register. This is invalid so…

    ” think you’re the first to have to correct your own mistakes”

    Would you mind being more specific and pointing out these mistakes ?

    ”You’ve been here over one year,accusing Trish for all that is negative, while you do not able to digest anything that disadvantages Celine.”

    First I have pointing out Celine’s disadvantages and I could on and on mentioning them anytime you want. The problem is that I have to defend her against comments : clown, ugly, 2.5 octaves range, sings like Britney,
    awards irrelevant, etc etc ! So I never had the chance to really SPEAK or DISCUSS about Celine ! Second, I am accusing Trish for all the RIGHT reasons. Shall I mention them again ? Ok, one last time :

    1)200m albums for MC, while sales per country show 160m. I see you are really protective of Trish. What would you say I had posted something like that ?

    2)Mariah has number 1s in Jamaica, Fidgi, Heiti.

    3)Music Critics have panned Celine’s nasality.

    4)Mariah’s Number 1s sold 21m worldwide and Butterfly 18m and Emotions 14m, while their certifications stand at 11m , 7.5m , 6.5m at the world’s biggest/more popular markets. Have you seen me putting 10m on Celine’s albums ? NO !

    5)Singles from Emotions sold 7m copies with 2 Us certifications. Could I ever equal 2 Us gold certifications to SEVEN MILLION COPIES ? NO.

    6)Celine sold over 145m by 2003 and then Celine hadn’t reach 130m by 2003.

    And the list goes on and on.

    ”Her singles alone, give her a very great advantage over Celine in sales”

    Nope. This is what you think. I have been asking everyone to talk about it and you all avoid being specific. You all come here to post biased, generic comments how Mariah beats Celine by far in single sales. Well, she doesn’t. You probably inflate her numbers like you do with her albums. Moreover, top 10 hits or
    number 1 hits, don’t always mean many sales. She has like 13 #1s in Japan, but only sold 2.5m there (proved by Tane, her official sites, Sony Bmg Japan) because most of them are airplay singles.

    ”About the sales Butterfly, yes they reach 16 million worldwide”

    Big lie ! How come it sells 7.5m in Us, Europe, Oceania , Japan, Canada and then over 8.5m in Africa, L.America and Asia ? Where did you get it ? Nowhere..! There is no chance these little insignificant markets where people don’t even speak English could ever equal to the world’s most popular markets.

    ”I also can not accept your arguments based on the sources and links cause they are not trustable and which are not proved in the reality. You say that I invent my arguments? People invent the links, people invent sources. Where IFPI come from with the huge sales its claim for Celine in Europe when it even doesn’t count them ?”

    You are highly misled. My arguments are not based on links, but facts. Links are just a bonus because I was asked to bring them, since your friend said she trusted magazines. People don’t invent sources. Lmao. They create them. How could anyone say Billboard is invented ?
    What does invented mean ? It is an actual and official source and it aims at collecting sales data. Your
    sources are UNKNOWN, therefore they are only part of your imagination until you show them. And sorry, but IFPI is the organization that counts album sales in Europe as a whole. There are way more LOCAL certifications systems for each European market.(Uk, France, Germany) So you can get Celine’s sales by either following IFPI or her sales per market and then adding them. Same results.

    ”Whatever you say,that stay a fact that you,me,links,sources,technical books can change.”

    Lmao ! so your ears know better than music theory ? This is dumb. What is that crap you posted ? I ignore you whole paragraph cause it doesn’t make sense and these are the exact words Trish had used against looloo. Oooooops !

    Christina can outsing my ass, not Celine Dion. Whitney outsings Celine, as she used to be a better singer. One
    note difference in vocal range doesn’t mean Celine can outsing Whitney. Lmao. And Christina has never gone any lower than Celine, just higher. Whitney has sang in A2
    (I Think her last album) and the higher she got was a C#6. Christina’s lower register is flat and everything
    she does is pure scream, hitting notes with high larynx.

    ”You are wrong,Celine doesn’t reaches a particular low notes in New Dawn and Have You Ever Been In Love.If you call them Bb2 and B2 you just show your knowledge on vocal terminologies,but you don’t prove Celine reaches 3,4 octaves”

    How convenient, yet childish to attack my knowledge like
    that ? I am sure you thought you were smart to post that
    crappy argument. Nope. They are B2 and Bb2. Try again. Why don’t you post which notes are the range of Celine since you insist talking about it ? Prove us you know
    anything on vocal issues. I have already posted it long ago and showed you the notes, but you deny reality, by posting lies. Bb2 is her lower, E6 is her highest. (Head Voice/ Falsetto actually.)

    Since you know about range and notes…In what key does
    Celine sing in here ? It must easy for you. You PRETEND to know very well she didn’t sing Bb2 and B2 in the songs I cited, so you might answer this easily.

    youtube.com/watch?v=rQIp6TOngM0

    What notes does she use here ?
    What notes make her range ?
    What are her TECHNICAL flaws ?

    See I expect these answers from the person that said MC
    uses her whistling in 6 different levels, starting from
    the 3rd octave and then implied people are not flexible unless they use the whistle register. -.-

    I am patient, right ? :)

    *waiting*

  294. The Reason says:

    @ MOFF

    This is what TRISH said :

    ”Nobody give a sh*t about your “technique terminology” People doesn’t need to read a stupidities about your “vocal technique” or your technique terminology and interpret them in favor of their favorite artist.Everyone got ears ! The most objective sense which can make very good and fair judgements !

    She said it here on POST 166 :

    popdirt.com/continuing-celine-dion-versus-mariah-carey/80710/

    This is what MANDY said :

    ”techniques to dissuade amateur people in their ears that allow them to listen. The ears are the best instruments able to judge the voice of artists.When we appreciate the vocal prowess and vocal capabilities of an artist through a song,we don’t have the need to use books of technical vocal knowledge.Our natural senses allow us to judge very well”

    POST 290

    Does this ring you any bells MOFF ? LMAO

    I just can’t stop laughing !!!

  295. The Reason says:

    @ tane

    I love these videos xD Watch this :

    youtube.com/watch?v=dY2wwZ0TGgY&feature=related

    Mariah’s singing G5 in AYNAF notes is so mind-blowing !

    So much ease and vocal resonance. Check it out. Funny

    video. LOL

  296. MOFF says:

    Hahaha, yes Luky Luke.

    MANDY = TRISH = BUTTERFLY = Mariah4ever

    and probably she was MEREDITH as well!

    Yes it rang my bells :)

    TRISH! Get out of here!

  297. TRISH says:

    MOFF = LUcky Luke = What The What= probably Alexis
    You said that I am MANDY.Do you think I could ever say the camel named Celine equals Mariah on albums sales ? Hahahaha ! This is so laughable.Yes, I am Mandy if yoy think so.The only difference between her and me is that I think the clown named Celine couldn’t never equals Mariah on albums sales. About Singles,Mariah outsold Celine by 70 million singles the less

  298. TRISH says:

    Celine sold 19 -23 million singles worldwide,since 1981 to 2011. Mariah Carey sold over 100 million of singles since her debut in 1990 to 2011.
    About vocal capability,Celine is worth to be compare with Cher and Lady Gaga.Britney’s voice is better than Celine’s.Britney never sound nasal,moreover she has a good control of deep and low notes unlike the clown.How dare you compare Christina to this thing called Camel Oldion ? Christina is an artist unlike Celine.Christina is a vocalist,not a rooster.Celine doesn’t come to my ass about vocal range.Just the fact she has a huge nose and a very long chin doesn’t make her a vocalist.Celine is just a puppet That Mottola and Sony Music team drive since over 20 years.Celine is nothing at all,except an ugly and graceless clown.She doesn’t have a normal life like other women.Just several fake certification sales and Awards.Christina proves that she’s a singer,not a robot.Don’t dare blame Christina’s voice beside this robot called Ugline Oldion.

  299. The Reason says:

    @ MOFF She was definitely Meredith and Momo. Lmao ! She

    has a limited vocabulary and makes same mistakes on same

    topics, using the same dumped arguments.

    @ TRISH You are not in position to talk about singles

    after your big parody on Mariah’s singles

    from ”Emotions”. You’d rather laugh about these posts

    that embarrass you. Even if I post the Celine sells

    her albums in the outer space, I will look less dumb

    and surreal than you. Stay pressed behind your multiple

    nicknames, while AVOIDING talking in SPECIFIC about

    Mariah’s singles. As of Celine’s album sales…well

    they are not as big as Mariah’s of we consider what you

    post about her total sales : 200m. But they are equal

    to Mariah’s if we consider what you said about Mariah’s

    sales per market : 160m. #OUCH :-D

    @ Everyone

    I challenge all of you here to post your e-mails

    (I can make the start if you want) so we take this

    debate on MSN. Who has the guts for a live challenge ?

    I have the guts to prove to everyone that I am not MOFF.

    Can Mandy and Trish do the same ?

    PS : The clown grossed $24m from doing 34 sold out shows.

    100.000 people attended. :) It’s not by chance she owns

    the BIGGEST contract for the BIGGEST live entertainment

    deal and the BIGGEST contract with the BIGGEST label.

    Did I mention her contract is also STABLE since 1992 ?

    Ooooops. :)

  300. Luke says:

    @ POST 298

    Your lunacy is ranging on, lmao. You can’t even discuss.

    Celine is a much better singer that Porktina Offkeylera.

    Celine strains notes above E5, Xtincta strains simple

    A4s. LMAO The rest crap are ignored. You have a mental

    problem. I feel sorry for you.

  301. Luke says:

    POST 300

    ”Mariah is an actress”

    XA XA AX XA XA XA XA XA XA

    Mariah shares nothing with Beatles and Elvis, only US

    hits. Celine already suprassed all them in tours and

    dvds sales.

    Nobody said Mariah is not artist. Of course she is !

    Lmao…Dear, you are fighting alone !

    Bye ! Ciao !

  302. TRISH says:

    MOFF, BE A MAN FOR YOURSELF STOP HIDING YOU ON LUCKY LUKE’S SHADOW,COWARD ! PIG !
    About Celine VS Mariah,there is nothing that Mariah doesn’t beat Celine at 100 % except for the clown and facial expressions.But Mariah is also an actress,not a clown.
    In facts,Celine sold most albums and singles than Subo.This is a huge accomplishment for someone,who spent 30 years without never have a song that have a personal meaning,30 years without influence even one artist either wanna be artist or international one.30 Years without never take part on the composing,producing of any song.What kind of artist she is? Taylor Swift already improve herself as composer and songwriter.Celine is a machine create by Mottola to bring back money,she’s everything,except an artist.
    As the best selling female artist of all times,Mariah Carey is also an accomplished artist in all means.Mimi is also a sexy and a gorgeous diva.The Voice shares with Beatles,Elvis Presley ,John Lennon,Paul McCartney and Michael Jackson so many records.She’s really what is called an artist.Celine? Hahaha ! Her best lies in Las Vegas show where she clown and amuse people very well ! Her pathetic fanatics doesn’t understand that Musical achievements go over the entertainment on stage.If Celine was so successful as her sick fanatics try to claim she would have some million seller singles at the last decade ( 2000’s) In facts, she has zero million seller singles for a whole decade ! Great ! She would receive Grammy awards ! Zero Grammy for the whole 2000 decade ,Zero number 1 hits on Billboard Chart and other major Chart.She shines only on the AC Charts that is a Chart failed singles that are unable to climb the Hot 100 Singles Chart.All that her pathetic clowns find to defend her is her circus shows that are really successful.Celine is what is called a puppet,a clown,not more.
    Ciao everyone !
    I love you all ! Kisses !!!!!!

    Leave a Reply

  303. TRISH says:

    Lucky Luke said” The clown grossed $24m from doing 34 sold out shows.

    100.000 people attended. ” Then ? So what ? It’s normal that she bring back money,that’s why Sony and Mottola had created her.She is a robot ,a clown created to bring money back to Sony and Mottola.She’s not an artist that have any artistic achievements. Clowning in front of 100.000 people on stage is not a musical achievements.What is matter about the musical aspect is what she does while these concerts after her facial clown and comedic moves.100 years later,people will continue to talk about Mariah’s 18 # 1 on Billboard,Her incomparable influence on other artists all over the world,her songs that she create herself that people will continue to inspired to.The future artists that will be continue to influenced by her singing style and her incredible voice.But, no one will talk About Celine’s show that grossed 24 million $ in 34 shows.This is profitable for herself,Mottola and Sony team,not to the people

  304. TRISH says:

    Yes,I am fighting alone,so don’t reply to my posts.Otherwise,this is you that fight with me !

  305. The Reason says:

    Trish, you have all rights to be pressed. The past days

    I actually tried to be civil and TALK with you, but you

    are too mad and rude.

    You generic comments will be ignored from now on. Get

    enough guts and brain to challenge me in real SPECIFIC

    FACTS.

  306. TRISH says:

    Mariah shares with Elvis Presley,Michael Jackson,Beatles :
    – Most Number 1 Singles on The Billboard Hot 100 Single
    – Most Cumulated Weeks at the Number 1 on Billboard Hot 100
    – Most Number 1 Songs Penned
    – Most Number 1 songs produced
    – Huge Influence On other artists
    – Mark on Pop music
    – Best selling artist overall for a entire decade !

  307. TRISH says:

    You hide yourself behind Lucky Luke to provoke me.You don’t have guts enough to confront me directly.I have pity on you.I should ignore you completely in the future.

    I tried so many times to be civil with you,but you always turn it in a bad issue,this is useless.You turn everything on your side.How could I discuss with someone that states Celine’s 1990 albums surpass Mariah? Then said every musical institutions agree with him? How could I have a normal discussion with someone that said Celine’s singles almost equals Mariah’s ? If I was born only the last week,I could swallow these.
    By the way,What do you call “real SPECIFIC FACTS” ?

  308. The Reason says:

    Clowning ? No, she sings with a 31 musicianns orchestra.

    Her songs are ballads. No place for being funny. As

    Jean Paul Gauttier said her show is an example of

    elegance. We talk about success so it is so relevant.

    And yeah MC will be remembered for all these. You act

    like I said Mariah is a flop and that she will not be

    remembered.

    This is why I say you fight alone. You post IRRELEVANT

    comments on things NOBODY ever doubted or questioned.

    And do you know why you do it ? Because you are stuck

    that I hate Mariah. Nice theory on what MC shares with

    these legends by the way. She is a bigger vocal

    influence than all these.

  309. TRISH says:

    I tried so many times to be civil with Lucky Luke,but you always turn it in a bad issue,this is useless.You turn everything on your side.How could I discuss with someone that states Celine’s 1990 albums surpass Mariah? Then said every musical institutions agree with him? How could I have a normal discussion with someone that said Celine’s singles almost equals Mariah’s ? If I was born only the last week,I could swallow these.
    – When I talked about Mariah’s impressive Asian sales,Lucky Luke said I know nothing on Asian sales. When I said Mariah’s Asian sales doesn’t counted,so they are not known.He said they are counted and known,but when he talk about the data of an album he just able to givtely how many Emotions albums sold in whole Asia ? If you can’t answer clearly,that will prove you lied when you claimed Mariah’s sales in Asia were clear !
    About Singles,I was the first to question this pig named Moff than you about Celine and Mariah’s singles.Just answer to these simple questions if you dare:
    – How many Singles Celine and Mariah has sold respectively at the 1990’s ?
    -How Many Singles Celine and Mariah has sold respectively at the 2000’s ?
    Then give a detailed Celine and Mariah discography albums sales since their debut to 2011.Now,I am curious to see what you will put for their respective albums sales.

  310. The Reason says:

    ”You hide yourself behind Lucky Luke to provoke me.You don’t have guts enough to confront me directly.I have pity on you.”

    I actually asked everyone here to share your E-mail,

    so how come I hide ? And by the way you have never been

    civil or polite. You even attack artists since June 2010

    here.

    ”How could I discuss with someone that states Celine’s 1990 albums surpass Mariah?”

    I NEVER said that. I have been REPEATING how Mariah

    deserved her 2000 award above Celine, as she (Mariah)

    was the best seller of the 90s. Your accusation is

    invalid.

    ”Then said every musical institutions agree with him?”

    It is TRUE that Mariah’s labels, sites, biographies and

    announcements say she sold over 200m and NOT 300m ! So

    how come you accuse me of this ? Invalid again.

    ”How could I have a normal discussion with someone that said Celine’s singles almost equals Mariah’s ?”
    ”By the way,What do you call “real SPECIFIC FACTS” ?

    I mean that we should talk about their singles in

    SPECIFIC – by album – and not post GENERIC comments like

    you do. How do you dare attacking me when you said that

    the singles from Emotions sold over 7m copies worldwide

    while getting only 2 Us gold certifications ? I have

    been asking Mandy as well to discuss on singles in

    specific and she avoids it. You do it too. So don’t

    even think again of attacking me.

    To put is simple : I am here to DISCUSS everything with

    normal people, that don’t use street vocabulary.

    Finally, I NEVER tried to provoke you. I would do so

    by insulting Mariah and giving her names and denying

    all her accomplishments, but I don’t ! So don’t tell me

    that I provoke you. You are the one spiting poison here.

  311. TRISH says:

    ”You hide yourself behind Lucky Luke to provoke me.You don’t have guts enough to confront me directly.I have pity on you.”
    I address it to Moff ,not to you !

  312. TRISH says:

    Lucky Luke,just post Celine and Mariah’s respective albums discography sales.Then their respective 25 best seller singles .
    Then,we could restart the discussion about their respective sales if you want.

  313. The Reason says:

    ”When I talked about Mariah’s impressive Asian sales,Lucky Luke said I know nothing on Asian sales.”

    No ! YOU admitted you didn’t know her Asian sales ! You

    said she sold 40m there and then changed it to 50m and

    sometimes posted 60m as well ! I NEVER used continental

    Asia as an argument to my posts. YOU ARE the one to use

    it ALL THE TIME posting HUGE sales, so the proof is on

    your side.

    ”He said they are counted and known.” Yeap. And Tane

    brought a link but you called it biased. So how am I

    supposed to persuade you on this ? You even deny MC sold

    18m in Japan, which is an established fact, so how do

    you demand sales for the rest unknown markets ? Even if I

    bring a link, you will call it biased. Simple. I have no

    choice because you don’t leave a choice. By the way, I

    never implied LARGE album sales for Celine in Asia to

    boost her total sales, so I don’t get your questions.

    I speak on the solid certifications coming from the big

    /popular/ western markets and then put some logic sales

    coming from C.Asia, L.America and Africa ALWAYS

    being careful to PROPORTIONS. Do you know this word ?

    I don’t think so…

    YOU POSTED 18m for Butterfly , while 7.5m come from Us,

    Canada, Europe, Oceania, Japan ! = 10.5m from the rest

    markets. I NEVER posted crazy figures like these for any

    Celine or Mariah album, cause I am very strict and

    careful. On your single sales questions, I already

    replied many times. You know what I believe and you know

    I am ready for a SPECIFIC discussion.

  314. The Reason says:

    @ POST 312

    This is what I want to avoid ! If I post 25 singles

    for Celine and 25 singles for Mariah and then their

    album sales, it is going to be a MESS ! You will

    reply – sarcastic or rude , deny things – bring your

    estimations and we will get nowhere. This is why

    I have been saying the past month to bring sales facts

    for each album in specific, so we are careful to the

    proportions and certifications. Let’s start with MC

    and her singles and then move to Celine. You choose.

    I repeat : not all together, cause it will be a hot mess

    like usually, with huge posts.

  315. TRISH says:

    Let’s start with Celine’s Albums,then Mariah’s.After that,we will discuss about their respective Singles.

  316. TRISH says:

    Ok Lucky Luke,Let’s begin with Celine’s Albums.Then we will do it about Mariah’s.

    Lucky Luke,just post Celine’s albums sales.Then,we will discuss about it. I await them.
    We will consider singles after than we already state with the albums question.

  317. tane says:

    must read this link! according to forbes Celine Dion is worth 400 million dollars and has sold over 140 million albums!
    CelebrityNetWorth/celinedion.org

  318. MOFF says:

    According to Sony, Celine received the Diamond Award for sales of 175 million albums in 2004. One year after Mariah Carey.
    From that day to 2011, Celine has released further 7 albums/ DVDS.

    A new day .. live in Las Vegas: 1.2 million
    Miracle: 2.6 million
    On ne change pas: 1.2 million
    D’elles: 800.000
    Taking Chances: 3.5 million
    My love: 2.1 million
    Taking Chances The Concert: 0.5 million.

    Album sales total: 186.8 million.

    If we go on and don’t call the Diamond Award biased and totally unbelievable we can do the same for Mariah.
    She received the Award in 2003 for sales of 150 million albums sold.

    Since that day until now she has released 5 albums.
    (“Playlist” The very best of MC has never charted)

    The Emancipation of Mimi. 12 million
    E=MC2: almost 3 million
    Memoirs: 1.5 million
    Merry Christmas 2 u: 0.8 million
    The ballads: 0.5 million

    Album sales in total: 167.8 million.

  319. The Reason says:

    You had posted 1.5m for her early 80s stuff which is
    accurate, so we move on. + 1.5m from her french compilations. Here :

    celinedioncharts.com/byalbum.htm

    Anyway, these are irrelevant.

    1) Unison : 1.3m in Us according to Nielsen Soundscan and
    Billboard + 700k Canada. The certifications are 1xP Us
    and 7xP Canada. In France it went Gold, meaning it
    shipped 150k. So we get 2.1m from its certifications.
    So 3m in total. (Adding 900k)

    2) Dion Chante Plamondon : 200k In Canada, 600k in France
    and 100k+ in Us = 900k. Therefore it’s total can’t be
    more than 1.5m worldwide. You said 2m for this album, but
    I think it sold less. 500k is a big difference for a
    French album by the way.

    3) Celine Dion = 5m , we already agreed on this.

    4) The Colour Of My Love = 6xP Us, 4xP Europe ,1xD Cnd, 500k Oceania ,1m Japan = 12m from the big markets
    (Actually sold 1.8m in Canada but there is no chance to
    ever believe this so I don’t calculate that). Total
    sales 17m.

    5) A L’Olympia = 1xP Europe, 1xP Canada = 1.1m from
    its certifications. I don’t add much sales to it, because
    it was not released in Us, Uk, Australia. So it sold 1.5m the very most.

    6) D’Eux = 8xP Europe ,700k Canada ,300k Us (Billboard, Nielsen Soundscan) , Gold in N.Zeland = 9.1m from the certifications. So 10m in total. (I add 900k and not more because it is a french album so the proportion of its sales must be lower than the proportion of an English album)

    7) Falling Into You = 32m ,you agree on this.

    8) Live A Paris = 2xP Europe, 2xP Canada = 2.2m. So I
    put a total for this album at 2.5m.

    9) Let’s Talk About Love = 32m ,her best seller.

    10) S’il Suffisait D’aimer = 2xP Europe, 4xP Canada, =
    2.4m + #7 Twaiwan, #37 Japan and so on. All the sources I’ve checked mention 4m.

    11) These Are Special Times : 5xP Us, 1xP Europe, 1xD Canada, 500k Japan (2xP) and 150k Australia which shows
    almost 8m sales. Therefore its total stands at 12m. (Adding 4m – take note)

    12) Au Coeur Du Stade = 600k France (2xP) ,50k Canada (Gold), Belgium 60k (1xP), Switzerland 60k (1xP) = 770k.
    So its total sales stand at 1m.

    13)All The Way = 16m+ from the big markets. 22.5m in total. All its sales are very well calculated here :
    celinedioncharts.com/byalbum.htm

    14) Collectors Series Volume 1 : 2.5m Gold in Us, Canada,
    Mexico, France, Germany, Netherlands, Portugal, Switzerland, Japan, N.Zealand.

    15) A New Day Has Come : 11m, we agree on this

    16) One Heart : 2xP Us, 1xP Europe, 1xP Australia, 1xP N.Zealand ,3xP Canada = 3.4m. Total sales 6m

    17) 1 Fille & 4 Types : 1.5m

    18) A New Day…Live In Las Vegas : Gold Us (500k). Charted everywhere worldwide : 1.5m

    19) Miracle : Us (1xP) ,Gold in Uk, France, Italy,
    Switzerland, Belgium. = 1.5m so its worldwide sales stand at 2.5m worldwide. It was not a strong seller.

    20) On Ne Change Pas : 2xP France (600k+) ,3xP Canada (300k), 1xP Belgium (60k), 1xGold Switzerland (30k) = 1m copies based on its certifications. So 1.5m the most worldwide. This was actually the best selling french compilation album of 2005.

    21) D’Elles : 2xP Canada (200k), 1xP France (300k) , 1xGold in Belgium, Russia, Switzerland. Around 600k from the certifications and 1m worldwide.

    22) Taking Chances : 1xP Us, 1m Europe, 4xP Canada, 1xP Australia, 1xGold (150k) Japan, 2xP S.Africa (150k). = 2.8m from the certifications, so I put 3.5m in total.

    23) My Love : 2xP Canada, 1xP UK (300k), Ireland , Belgium. + 450k in Us based on Billboard. + 200k sold in Japan (Complete Best). My Love was released worldwide
    exept for Japan, cause Sony Bmg released C.B. there instead in early 2008. Combined sales reach 2.5m. (I add around 600k) By the way, the album is still charting on UK charts and Ireland. In UK it reached 590k as of July 2011. Little more and will be certified 2xP there.

    ——————————————————–

    TAKE NOTE TO THESE :

    – For awards and announcements other projects are also
    taken into account. For instance albums such as ”Divas Live 98” or some Soundtracks. I am just explaining how they think. I don’t credit Celine for those sales.

    – For some Us sales I used Billboard, RIAA and Nielsen Soundscan. All 3 sources agree to everything. Here is some detailed data on Celine by Billboard :

    billboard.com/column/chartbeat/ask-billboard-celine-dion-celebrates-chart-1004134468.story#/column/chartbeat/ask-billboard-celine-dion-celebrates-chart-1004134468.story

    If you check it also mentions some overshipped albums. So
    when I talked about Mariah’s overshipments I didn’t mean to insult her like you thought I did !

    – I posted comments based on the big/popular markets and the sales I added were ranging from a few copies (like 200k) to 6m the most (for All The Way). So these STRICT
    proportions and limits will be used on Mariah’s albums as well.

    – I can post links showing her certifications from IFPI
    and RIAA but I won’t do that cause I know the answer I am gonna get. xD

    – Wikipedia is the only site where Falling Into You
    surpassed LTAL. It gives 32m+ to FIY and 31m+ to LTAL. LTAL is her best seller though : Its singles sold more, the tour was more successful, the album was much more anticipated and Sony Bmg had offers of like 11m before its release, it is also ahead of FIY in mediatraffic etc. + It got more awards.

    – Be REALLY careful and POLITE on what you’re gonna post.

  320. TRISH says:

    OK,Lucky Luke.I agree with almost every sales you give here for Celine’s albums.Except for her 1980’s french compilations.I don’t think they reach 1,5 million sales,but about 500.000 – 800.000 units.
    Then 1.5m for her early 80s stuff which is
    accurate,I agree with it.But,the compilations of these french releases doesn’t reach 1,5 million.

    I think All The Way doesn’t reach 22 million,but 20 million.But,move on this.
    So,I admit that you are right in these sales that you post for Celine’s albums.But,there is another aspect that you must consider,because this is an important aspect.
    As you said “I posted comments based on the big/popular markets and the sales I added were ranging from a few copies (like 200k) to 6m the most (for All The Way). So these STRICT
    proportions and limits will be used on Mariah’s albums as well.” You are mainly right on this,but let’s don’t forget that Mariah and Celine are not equals in sales in the next bigger music market that is Asia.Even if their respective sales there are not totally known,because most of Asian countries doesn’t have Chart sales and Certifications sales system like in western countries.But we can’t ignore them and should credit Mariah’s sales as higher than Celine in that continent that is Asia.Mariah Carey is the most successful western artist overall in Asia.So,the proportions and limits must advantage Mariah over Celine in the Asia continent.This is what I have to say.
    As we are both ok on Celine’s albums.Now,we can turn on Mariah’s albums sales.

  321. The Reason says:

    Yeah, I forgot to mention this. I am going to be more

    lenient with MC with these proportions, because she is

    more popular and successful in Asia. I am going to

    search for more info on Celine’s compilations to finish

    with it and then more info on All The Way. I will also

    search some Asian facts on MC so we don’t exaggerate

    (in a negative or positive way). Do the same and we move

    on to Mariah. I will post more details on Celine’s

    albums tomorrow. (Compilation and All The Way)

  322. The Reason says:

    01.Les Premiers Annees (1993) : 1xGold in France : 150k

    02.Gold Volume 1 (1995) : 2xGold in France : 300k

    03.Gold Volume 2 (1995) : 1xGold in France : 150k

    That’s All I know about these. None of her sites has more sales facts. The only estimations exist in Wikipedia, so I skip it.

    About All The Way, Billboard (the link I gave) says
    it sold almost 8m in Us, being 7xP. + The album
    re-charted in 2007 in Uk, Ireland, Japan and Us.
    That’s about it.

    Now on Mariah’s proportions. The biggest Asian markets
    (as far as I know) are :

    1) Japan : 200k=Platinum, 100k=Gold

    2) China : 100k=Platinum, 50k=Gold

    3) S.Korea : 100k=Platinum, 50k=Gold (Before 2002) /

    30k=Platinum ,15k=Gold (Till 2006),

    20K=Platinum ,10k=Gold (Till 2008) ,15k=Platinum,

    8k=Gold (Since 2008 till now)

    4) Philippines : 40k=Platinum, 20k=Gold (Before 2002),

    30k=Platinum, 15k=Gold

    5) Hong Kong : 20k=Platinum, 10k=Gold

    6) Taiwan : 50k=Platinum, 25k=Gold

    7) Singapore : 15k=Platinum, 7.5k=Gold

    I think the rest markets don’t even have a certification
    system. At least, I ignore it. Do your search on continental Asian markets and we move on to MC. I just noticed that Germany (500k=Platinum) and UK (300k=Platinum) > these Asian markets.

  323. TRISH says:

    What matters here is their sales in the countries,not the level of certification on these countries.Otherwise,we will be mistaken.For example,Germany worth more on certifications than UK,France and Japan.But in facts,the sales of Mariah in these places are more important in UK,France ,etc…than in Germany. What matters here is their sales in the countries,not the level of certifications in those And Mariah sales in Japan,S.Korea,China,Taiwan, are much more significant than her sales in Germany that have highest level of certification than these countries.See ?For example,South Korea platinum album worth 100 k,Germany’s worth 500 k,nevertheless Mariah and Whitney have million selling albums in S.Korea ,but none of them have million selling album in Germany. And Mariah’s sales in the relatively smallest Asian places (Philippines, Hong Kong,Singapore,etc…)are generally equal or very close to her German sales. The level of certification doesn’t indicate the significance of sales,so we can’t base our estimation on it.

    As for the rest of Asian countries that doesn’t have certification system, that doesn’t mean there is no sales in these places.For example by 1994 Music Box was the best selling album in Malaysia,Thailand,etc…

    Besides there is many European micro markets that have certification system,however for sales as insignificant as the ones in the Asian weak markets ( but large countries relatively to these European places ).

  324. TRISH says:

    Besides there is so many European micro markets that have certification system,however for sales as insignificant as the ones in the Asian weak markets ( but large countries relatively to these European places )that have no certification system

  325. TRISH says:

    Also Celine’s sales are more important in UK & France than in Germany that surpass both on certification level

  326. The Reason says:

    Mariah sold more in Germany than in Hong Kong according to her sites. Anyway, in order to be 100% fair and not get missed in proportions, we can post her album sales without counting Asia and after we are done we add 50m (from Asia) to the rest of her sales. You say 50m for Asia, I say 40m but I agree to put 50m in her total sales there.

  327. TRISH says:

    OK,that’s right

  328. The Reason says:

    These are her sales outside Asia.

    01.MARIAH CAREY : 9xP Us, 1m Eur, 7xP Canada, 2xP

    Australia, 4xP N.Zealand = 9m + 1m + 700k + 150k + 40k =

    11m.

    02.EMOTIONS : 4xP Us, 4xP Canada, 1m Eur, 1xP Australia,

    1xP N.Zealand = 4m + 400k + 1m + 80k = 4.5m

    03.MTV UNPLUGGED : 3xP Us, 3xP Canada, 1xP Australia,

    2xP N.Zealand = 3m + 300k + 90k + 500k (Europe) = 4m.

    04.MUSIC BOX : 10xP Us, 7xP Canada , 7xP Europe,

    1m Australia, 5xP N.Zealand = 10m + 700k + 7m + 1m + 50k

    = 19m

    05.MERRY CHRISTMAS : 5xP Us, 1xP Canada, 1xP Europe, 4xP

    Australia, 2xP N.Zealand = 5m + 1m + 1m + 300k = 7.5m.

    06.DAYDREAM : 10xP Us, 7xP Canada, 3xP Europe, 5xP

    Australia, 5xP N.Zealand = 10m + 700k + 3m + 300k = 14m.

    07.BUTTERFLY : 5xP Us, 2xP Canada, 1xP Europe,

    2xAustralia, N.Zealand 1xP = 5m + 200k + 1m + 150k = 6.5m.

    08.NUMBERS 1S : 5xP Us, 3xP Canada, 2xP Europe, 1xP

    Australia, 2xP N.Zealand = 5m + 300k + 2m + 100k = 7.5m.

    09.RAINBOW : 3xP Us, 2xP Canada, 1m Europe, Gold

    Australia and 1xP N.Zealand = 3m + 200k + 1m + 50k = 4.5m.

    10.GLITTER : 1xP Us, 1xGold France = 1.5m.

    11.GREATEST HITS : 1xP Us ,1xP Uk, 1xGold France, 1xGold

    Australia, 1xP N.Zealand = 1m + 300k + 150k + 50k = 1.5m

    12.CHARMBRACELET : 1xP Us , Gold in Canada, France, Uk,

    Switzerland = 1m + 50k + 150k + 150k + 30k = 1.5m.

    13.THE REMIXIES : 500k. (250k from Us based on Nielsen

    Soundscan)

    14.THE EMANCIPATION OF MIMI : 6xP Us, 1xP Europe, 3xP

    Canada, 1xP Australia, 1xP N.Zealand = 6m + 1m + 300k

    + 80k = 6.5m.

    15.E=MC2 = 1xP Us, 1xP Canada, 1xGold Uk, 1xGold

    Australia = 1m + 100k + 150k + 35k = 1.5m (cause its

    actual Us sales stand at 1.3m according to Nielsen

    Soundscan)… So 2m

    16.THE BALLADS : Gold Ireland, so around 200k.

    17.MEMOIRS OF AN IMPERFECT ANGEL : 1xGold Us, 1xSylver

    Uk = 500k + 100k = 600k.

    18.MERRY CHRISTMAS TO YOU = 1xGold Us = 500k, so 600k.

    Therefore Mariah sold in Us, Europe, Oceania and Canada

    a total of 95m albums based on her certifications. Add

    the 50m of Asia to get 145m.

    More detailed…Mariah gets 65m Us, 20m Europe, 3.8m

    Canada, 3.7m Oceania = Almost 95m again.

    Her actual sales stand at 68m, 4m, 4m and 28m

    respectively so her total is 104m from these.

    Anyway, on MC we are left with L.America and Africa

    so bring you own estimations on these. I am too tired

    after all those figures and estimations and proportions.

    For me she sold 104m + 40m Asia + 15m Africa and

    S.America = 160m+. For you she logically gets 170m+

    cause you add 10m more to Asia and maybe a total 175m if

    you add 20m for Africa and L.America. Ouf !

  329. The Reason says:

    Typing mistake in the beginning :

    *outside Asia, Africa and L.America.

  330. Athena says:

    MARIAH HAS SOLD MORE, BY 2004 YOU SAY CELINE SOLD 175 MILLION ALBUMS BUT NO THAT’S WRONG IT WAS 175 MILLION RECORDS NOT ALBUMS, AND PLUS HOW IS IT POSSIBLE FOR CELINE DION TO REACH 230 MILLION RECORDS SINCE 2004? CELINE DION HAS SOLD 145 MILLION ALBUMS AND 50 TO 60 MILLION SINGLES ACCORDING TO TRISH AND TANE AND FORBES SO THEREFORE CELINE DION HAS SOLD 200 MILLION RECORDS. MARIAH HAS SOLD MORE THAN HER!

  331. TRISH says:

    First of all.Mariah sold 27,5 m albums in Europe,not 20m unlike what Lucky Luke posts.
    Second, Mariah Canadian sales surpasses 3,5 m in Canada,they reach around 5 m there ( Lucky used to claim so in his previous posts ).
    Fourth,Mariah sales in Oceania reach 4 m in Oceania ( she sold more everywhere in Oceania than Celine there but Australia ,for which Celine may outsold her very slightly ).Just Music Box has sold 1,1m in Australia ( 14x platinum there ).
    Moreover,like Lucky Luke said,there is many Asian countries that have no certification system,so that these sales are not counted when we take into account certified sales only.
    At the other hand,almost every insignificant European micro markets have certification system .So all these small sales are also counted for Celine while Mariah’s ( Asian ones ) are neglected.All this disadvantage Mariah’s total sales next to Celine’s.

  332. TRISH says:

    So, For Mariah total sales we have :

    USA 67 m
    Asia 50m
    Europe 27,5m
    Latin America 10m
    Canada 5m
    Africa 5m
    Oceania 4m

    global sales 168 m

    When we use this same method to calculate Celine total album sales ( sales per continents ),we will see that her total sales

    Celine sales :

    Europe 55m
    US 50 m
    Asia 17 m
    Canada 15 m
    Latin America 10m
    Africa 7m
    Oceania 5m

    global sales = 159 m

  333. TRISH says:

    But in accordance with Lucky Luke logic,Celine would have 20 m + albums sold in Asia , 60 m in Europe and maybe more sales in USA too.

  334. The Reason says:

    @ ATHENA -.- I see you blindly trust Forbes on Celine’s

    album sales. Good. Maybe you should also check what

    Mariah’s management team, labels and her fan base claim

    for MC. You will be surprised.

    @ TRISH

    20m in Europe is her certifications and then I said 28m

    for Europe. See again. 20m are her certifications and

    28m her actual sales. In Canada you are right, she gets

    5m if we make her sales more round. Her certifications

    stand at 4.1m so her actual sales stand at 5m. Ok.

    The only markets in Oceania are Australia and N.Zealand

    and we have clear certifications there for both of them.

    I don’t think Mariah’s sales in Asia are neglected at

    all as we put 50m albums for her despite the fact that

    we have no real references or sources ! All we know is

    that Mariah is the best seller there (FACT) and that her

    1993-1995 + 1998 releases became huge sellers in micro

    markets. (FACT) We don’t have that kind of info for

    Butterfly or Rainbow or Emotions. We just assume they

    sold well because of her other albums’ success or

    because they sold well in Japan.

    @ POST 333

    Yeah, exactly. Mariah gets 8m over her European

    certifications, so its normal Celine gets a higher

    proportion there of sales of 12m. (Mariah 20m from

    certifications goes to 28m of actual sales, Celine 48m

    certifications goes to 60m for actual sales). In Us

    Mariah gets 3m more (65m to 68m), so Celine gets 2m more

    (52m from certifications goes to 54m total Us sales).

    Even if we talk on CERTIFICATIONS ALONE and not actual

    sales we get :

    Celine Dion :

    52m Us

    48m Europe

    12m Canada

    2.9m Oceania : N.Zealand 37xP , 5xG , Australia :

    34xP , 1xGold = 500k + 37.5k + 2.380.000

    + 35k = 2.9m in Oceania strictly on certifications.

    and

    Mariah Carey

    65m Us

    20m Europe

    3.9m Canada

    2.5m Oceania : N.Zealand : 26xP + 1xGold = 400k ,

    Australia : 30xP + 3xGold = 2.1m 390k + 7.5k + 2.1m +

    210k = 2.7m in Oceania strictly on

    certifications.

    About Asia their labels have released some sales facts

    there but we obviously don’t take that into account.

  335. The Reason says:

    Typing mistake again : in my final list I meant 4.1m in

    Canada and 2.7m in Oceania for MC based on certifications

    alone. xD

  336. Athena says:

    JUST LIKE CELINE DION LABELS POINTS OUT SHES ONLY SOLD 200 MILLION RECORDS, MARIAH CAREY HAS SOLD 220 TO 225 MILLION RECORDS IN ACCORDANCE TO FORBES TRISH AND TANE(WELL TRISH CLAIMS 250)

    MARIAH – 160 TO 165 MILLION ALBUMS
    60 TO 65 MILLION SINGLES
    THESE ARE RIGHT DARLINGS!

  337. The Reason says:

    200m was in 2007 for Celine (April 2007 actually)

    by her label and Mariah’s labels show 200m records as of

    2011. Her sites say so as well and Billboard announcement

    confirmed it.

    And by the way I am the one to say since August 2010

    that Mariah sells 160m albums+ and around 60m singles.

    So thank you !

  338. TRISH says:

    OK Lucky Luke,according to everything that are claimed here,what are the respective total sales of Celine and Mariah’s respective albums ?

  339. TRISH says:

    Lucky Luke just don’t reply to Athena’s posts like I didn’t reply to what said Moff in the post # 318.No matter what say a Mariah or a Celine fan.Let’s concentrate us in our actual discussion,otherwise we could fall in a new fight together again by replying to each new post by a Celine or a Mariah fan.
    Well,Lucky Luke.Let’s state about Celine and Mariah’s total albums sales worldwide.Who has sold more according to what are said here ?

  340. The Reason says:

    Look, Trish. We are tired of this debate. Fact. All I

    wanted to do the past months was making you accept that

    Mariah doesn’t sell 200m albums and 100m singles. This

    is what kept me here. Not proving Celine’s superiority.

    I don’t mean to brainwash anyone here to accept my

    sources and my process of thought and my proportions. In

    my very first reply here (POST 1), I told you :

    ”Like I said I am done debating,but you will ALWAYS be called out on the lies and mistakes you keep posting. So you will NEVER feel relief,unless you stop posting lies.”

    In other words I didn’t mind on what you said about

    Celine’s sales. Mariah’s sales was my issue. Now,

    I am going to keep my word, cause you seem to accept

    Mariah sold around 170m (or 180m, I don’t know what you

    think) but definitely not as much as you said (over

    200m). So you are free from me. Oh, and I am not a Mariah

    hater at all ! Quite the opposite actually.

  341. TRISH says:

    OK,I admit Mariah’s sales doesn’t really reach 200 million albums nor 100 million singles,however I am convinced that her album sales reach at least 175 million and her single sales 75 million.

  342. CHABINE says:

    Lady Gaga and Rihanna are Illuminati queens !

  343. Lily says:

    OK I looked up the net worths..

    Mariah Carey fortune 750 million.

    Celine Dion 650.. million

    so it is clear to me whoever has more money sold more albums I love both but lets be for real MC is just BETTER Celine… if she did sell more albums than Mariah which I highly doubt because of the money..it is so slight till it doesn’t have a impact and these sites be aggregating all of their sells because Mariah sold over 200 million Celine sold over 200 million and Madonna sold 275 million. I’m sorry guys but Madonna just can’t sing so I don’t know why she sold more albums and it richer than Mariah with…hate to say it 1.1 billion dollars but it is what it is and I know in my heart MC rules.

  344. Lily says:

    So that’s the end of it whoever is richer obviously sold more albums no more debating..the END of this Mariah rules and there will NEVER be anyone with a voice quite like the one she had yes it is gone but I still love all of her music I still love her songs she is just a wonderful person in my eyes I love her so much her voice is so beautiful I literally cry hearing it…she is such an amazing person TRULY the best

  345. The Reason says:

    Just curious…What list shows these net worth figures ?

    I highly doubt Mariah and Celine know their respective

    fortunes, lol.

    As of Mariah’s voice, she still has her technique,

    which is the most important asset of all. She

    is in a bad vocal condition, but she will hopefully be

    back after she takes a good rest. Maybe she starts

    taking vocal lessons again, cause I think she gave up

    on them in 1998 or 1999.

  346. TRISH says:

    Lucky Luke,about Mariah’s voice,of course she has her technique as every other singers.But her voice is better not just because of her technique.Mariah has an exceptional voice without even include the technical question.She is the best Pop vocalist ever.Mariah has an unique voice + an unique singing technique,that’s why she’s unreachable.( please everyone, I don’t want to upset anyone,I just support what said Lily about Mariah’s voice.So,take it easy ).
    Well,Mariah’s voice is better than any other female voice in Pop music by all means,this is what is matter…Lol !
    So,Lily is right when he said that it will never be anyone with a voice like Mariah’s.

  347. The Reason says:

    @ TRISH

    -.- Lily said Mariah’s voice is GONE ! So, there is

    nothing to support here.

    What I said about vocal CONDITION is actually in favor

    of MC, as she is excused to be tired.

    For your info, 90% of pop/rnb singers LACK proper

    technique. You mix technique with singing STYLE. All

    artists have their own style, but not all of them use

    proper technique. (Right placement, no strain, good

    breath support, proper mixing in the upper belts etc)

    A Beautiful voice + Technique makes the vocalists ! So

    nobody can be credited as a vocalist without including

    the technique questions. Like Maria Callas said

    ”a singer without technique is like a wild animal.”

    Rihanna has a beautiful, sweet tone but she could never

    be considered a vocalist, cause she lacks proper

    technique. She can’t even stay on tune.

    Anyway, I didn’t say or imply anything bad on MC anyway.

    I actually replied to what Lily said ”her voice is

    gone”, cause I don’t think it is gone. You took my

    comment the wrong way AGAIN.

    If you want to get any info on technique etc ask me and

    I explain you.

    Oh ! And to make it clear : I actually agree there will

    never be another MC.

  348. TRISH says:

    In Mariah’s voice is not in a bad condition ! Her voice is in a very good condition and she proved it by her last Christmas album,in by many tracks from her previous album Memoirs.Also by many recent live performances.

  349. The Reason says:

    You don’t know what I mean by saying ”vocal condition”

    so you shouldn’t reply. You obviously think I imply

    Mariah can’t sing. I think you didn’t read POST 347. My

    reply to Lily was to prove that Mariah’s voice isn’t

    gone, cause that’s what Lily said.

    I didn’t say anything bad for Mariah, so stop replying

    to my posts !!! I am defending her here !!! You are

    annoying.

  350. TRISH says:

    OK Lucky Luke,I agree with you.
    @Chabine:The Illuminati question is very complex,but This debate is about Celine Dion and Mariah Carey,not about Lady Gaga and Rihanna.

  351. The Reason says:

    Finally ! Thanks TRISH :-)

  352. tane says:

    here’s a link for richest female singers, but I kind of doubt its true but hey I’m going to do more research:)

    mademan.com › Celebs › Singers

  353. tane says:

    but this one says she has a net worth of 260 million?? you can tell this ones wrong!

    celebritynetworth.com/richest…/singers/celine-dion-net-worth/

  354. Stephen says:

    To All MARIAH CAREY’S FANS MARIAH CANT SING ANYMORE..

    Oh My Goodness Cant You all See Most Music Nowadays means Party, Turmoil, sex, like Mariah /Carey /.songs Touch My Body A Fat Body lots of Cholesterol…Only Celine Dion Still A Living Legend

    If Only Micheal Jackson & Elvis Were Alive Im 100% Sure They Choose Celine for A duet . Than Mariah Always Screaming,Whistling,& shouting Just to have voice goes out From her big mouth……Like A cat screaming on a rooftop…

  355. TRISH says:

    @ Stephen:
    You are just a delusional Mariah hater.Mariah still the best vocalist ever ! Just bring facts to support your crap if you dare.Listen to her latest Christmas Album.Her new duet with Tony Bennett. About live performances.Mariah’ special Christmas at ABC. Her live performances of O Come All Ye Faithful and One Child at Washington DC.I Want To Know What Love Is,X-Factor in Italia,etc… Every facts deny your lies.
    Nobody can sing like Mariah even in 2011.Keep dreaming !

  356. TRISH says:

    About Mariah’s body that you try to degrade, you just fail.Mariah is still one of the most beautiful artist ever !
    Celine skinny body don’t make her a beautiful woman. Although Mariah is 41,she’s in the league of youngest beautiful young singers as Beyonce,Rihanna,etc… Celine is in the league of oldness divas Barbra Streisand,Tina Turner,etc…
    Mariah is very beautiful and sexy,your hatred can’t change it.Some videos like Touch My Body,Obsessed,I Want To Know What Love is,etc… deny you

  357. TRISH says:

    Joan Collins says currently that at 41,Mariah is still beautiful after giving birth to her twins.She also said Mariah is dressing sexy as Beyonce and Rihanna. You fail !
    “Only Celine is a living legend” Yes,you would be right,if the whole world was resume at Las Vegas.Las Vegas is not even a State.Sorry,your craps are any base.Mariah rules !

  358. ... says:

    @TRISH
    I’m sorry, but every time I see Mariah, I see porn. She’s 41 years old and she acts like that??? “Your hatred can’t change it.” And your hatred towards Celine can’t and won’t change the opinions of these Celiniacs, so I don’t know what you’re doing here, saying she looks old and ugly and that she could never compete with Mariah. That’s your opinion, out of billions of opinions out there. You have got to stop telling people to bring their facts here, when you can’t give one simple one. Do you think you’re right, saying she’s the biggest selling female artist of all time? Do you think you’re right, saying she’s the best singer of all time? NO! With no proof whats so ever, you cant say she is the biggest selling female artist of all time. She’s the best selling of all time, but that’s a totally different thing. Are you telling me you’re SO arrogant, that there’s not even a 1% chance, that you could be wrong?? There have been many great singers, and saying Mariah is the best singer, is one measly little opinion, and will not affect the number albums or fans Celine has. Las Vegas chose CELINE, to save them from the bad economy. Not Cher, not Shania, but CELINE. She has a Colosseum built for her. Her new show has already made over 20 million dollars. Joan Collins is just one person, and doesn’t mean anything. If you’re going to use other people’s opinions to make your idol sound the best, I’ll do the same. David Foster, said Celine is the best singer out there. Tony Mottola said Celine was the best singer. Don’t let your fantasies become your reality. And by the way, replying to me will be a total waste, since I’m done with you. Have a good night!

  359. MsCeline says:

    Celine is Class plain & simple She is elegant Classy .yet hip & funny She touches your heart .makes you feel what she is singing Sings the way we all wish we could . She isn’t afraid to let the public see her with out makeup or see a scope down her nose into her throat . Mariah is all about her Sexual image , yes she sings good I cant stand to watch her . after her CD Music Box she changed it all became about the Sex Kitten , I hope that having the Twins(not her Boobs) calms her down . Celine will ALWAYS be my #1 Singer I don’t care who sold the most I care how they make me feel . when they sing I know when it comes to the high notes its Celine who gives me goosebumps .. I have seen Celine in Concert 4 times Up close I gave her a rose @–>-> NO lip singing .Pure Celine

  360. BUTTERFLY says:

    @…Do you want to know what I see when I see Celine? Honestly,I see a respectable woman and a great vocalist,but also a joke,a puppet and a very limited artist -))
    About Mariah Carey’s image,she’s influenced mainly by Marilyn Monroe that is her bigger inspiration.What do you see when you see Marilyn Monroe,Beyonce Knowles,Lady Gaga,Rihanna,Britney Spears,Paris Hilton,Pamela Anderson,Carmen Electra,Madonna,Sharon Stone,Tina Turner,Cindy Crawford,Naomi Campbell,Claudia Schiffer,Heidi Klum,Gisele Bundchen???
    What do you see when you see these female superstars and legends ? Like Mariah Carey,all these women are praised everywhere worldwide not only for their respective talents,but also for their sexyness and beauty.
    Educate yourself my dear,beauty and sexyness has nothing to do with porn.Is this Mariah your pet hate ? Or do you have a problem with every sexy and beautiful women? If you tolerate only ugly women,you have a very big problem and you’d better consult a psychologist.
    By your silly comment,you just show to readers here how much you are ignorant and have a mediocre knowledge about art and beauty.You show to everyone how much your mind is creep and soil by porn.Otherwise,when you see Mariah Carey,you would see an incredible artist with an exceptional voice,an unique talent and a very impressive musicianship.
    Very dear,this is not by Mariah’s fault if Celine is not sexy and beautiful.Unfortunately,she’s also not talented musically,she has only a good voice.Your hatred can’t and won’t change anything in these facts.Your little opinion can nothing in the fact that Mariah Carey is and will stay for billions of people,a very sexy,beautiful,respected and talented artist .

  361. BUTTERFLY says:

    I don’t know what you’re doing here you in this debate,as everything about Celine and Mariah was clear here since many months.This is not your post that could change nothing in what lambs and Celiniacs had finally stated after so many months of discussions and comments.
    I told facts.I keep saying Celine is not gorgeous and she looks averagely,but the most important is about her talent and accomplishments.By comparing Mariah’s musical talents and accomplishments with Celine’s,facts show Celine looks very average next to Mariah.
    You said that I didn’t give any fact here? About you Celiniac,which fact can you give for Celine out of her Las Vegas show and concerts?
    Do you think Celine is so great just because she has most success in concerts than Mariah ?
    This debate is about the most successful artist between Celine Dion and Mariah Carey.Does musical achievements are resumed by concerts and tours? Since when Celine has an album selling 10 million worldwide ? Since when Celine has a single selling million worldwide? Since when Celine has a number 1 hit at Billboard Hot 100 ? Eurochart? What is Celine’s biggest hit for the whole last 2000 decade? How many top 10 Hits Celine has in Europe the last decade compare with Mariah? In America? In Asia? In Oceania? How many Grammy Awards Celine won the last decade?
    Do you think that Celine equals or surpass Mariah just because she still successful in concerts?
    Yes,Mariah Carey is the best singer of all times.I gave so many proves about it.

  362. BUTTERFLY says:

    David Foster said that Celine was the greatest singer just because he’s a Canadian like her.Tommy Mottola wanted to upset Mariah when he said so in 1996 because Mariah had rebelled against him and Sony team and refused to make Pop ballad albums like Celine did.I remind you that Mariah’s debut album got the highest budget for a debut artist because Sony Team and Mottola known that she was exceptional.
    In how many different musical genres Celine is able to sing compare with Mariah? How could she the best singer? Do Celine could ever do the half of what Mariah is able to do vocally ?the professionals,vocal coaches,other singers/superstars,opera singers,doctors,producers,etc… that all recognize Mariah’s range as true.Do you have better knowledge ? Funny !

    Daphne Brooks – Instructor, Princeton University:“She is our greatest singing act that we’ve seen in decades, for decades and decades.”

    “Our reality shows, they are contests so it’s about being able to triumph in a particular way that is spectacularly satisfying to the masses. And no artist has been more spectacularly satisfying at the level of singing in the past 20 years than Mariah Carey.”

    David Lee Brewer – Opera singer/vocal coach:“She’s alone. She’s in her own category.”

    “White America believed that they had found ‘The Great White Hope.’ White people everywhere believed that she was white singing like a black girl. And with such a voice! My God! All of my white friends,‘Have you heard this new Mariah Carey?’ All of a sudden Mariah Carey was all over the scene like in a splash.”

    “Mariah Carey is a league of her own. No one can sing as high or as low. This means that you are a phenomenon. That’s what it means. The normal person has 2½ to 3 vocal range. Mariah is off the chart. She makes sounds. She has complete control of her vocal range. And why? Because she studied. She studied with a woman who happens to be her mother, who happens to be a colleague of mine, who’s an opera singer.”

    “Her white legion of fans who believed her still identified with her. And because of that she was able to bridge every gap there was. Mariah Carey is single-handedly responsible for bridging the gap between Pop and Hip-hop, and Soul and R&B. She is responsible for bridging all of those. No other singer. She is.”

    Diane Warren – Songwriter:“She wrote really accessible songs that have touched people. People connected with her.”

    David Morales – DJ/Remixer/Producer:“She’s allowed to be a diva in this business as a female artist, as a professional because she is the bitch.

    Don Lawrence -Vocal coach :” When Mariah first came up,I said ” this girl will be able to go higher vocally than any other artist ”

    Toure,Rolling Stones :” She ( Mariah Carey )is one of top singers in the world ,the word “singer” took literally.”

    Simon Cowell-” To sing a Whitney Houston song is very difficult,to sing a Mariah Carey song is a vocal suicide”.
    Walter Afanasieff -” Mariah Carey is the discovery of the century,as artist and vocalist “.

    Daphne Brooks – Instructor, Princeton University:“She is our greatest singing act that we’ve seen in decades, for decades and decades.”

    “Our reality shows, they are contests so it’s about being able to triumph in a particular way that is spectacularly satisfying to the masses. And no artist has been more spectacularly satisfying at the level of singing in the past 20 years than Mariah Carey.”

    David Lee Brewer – Opera singer/vocal coach:“She’s alone. She’s in her own category.”

    “White America believed that they had found ‘The Great White Hope.’ White people everywhere believed that she was white singing like a black girl. And with such a voice! My God! All of my white friends,‘Have you heard this new Mariah Carey?’ All of a sudden Mariah Carey was all over the scene like in a splash.”

    “Mariah Carey is a league of her own. No one can sing as high or as low. This means that you are a phenomenon. That’s what it means. The normal person has 2½ to 3 vocal range. Mariah is off the chart. She makes sounds. She has complete control of her vocal range. And why? Because she studied. She studied with a woman who happens to be her mother, who happens to be a colleague of mine, who’s an opera singer.”

    “Her white legion of fans who believed her still identified with her. And because of that she was able to bridge every gap there was. Mariah Carey is single-handedly responsible for bridging the gap between Pop and Hip-hop, and Soul and R&B. She is responsible for bridging all of those. No other singer. She is.”

    Diane Warren – Songwriter:“She wrote really accessible songs that have touched people. People connected with her.”

    David Morales – DJ/Remixer/Producer:“She’s allowed to be a diva in this business as a female artist, as a professional because she is the bitch.

    Don Lawrence -Vocal coach :” When Mariah first came up,I said ” this girl will be able to go higher vocally than any other artist ”

    Toure,Rolling Stones :” She ( Mariah Carey )is one of top singers in the world ,the word “singer” took literally.”

    Simon Cowell-” To sing a Whitney Houston song is very difficult,to sing a Mariah Carey song is a vocal suicide”.

    Walter Afanasieff -” Mariah Carey is the discovery of the century,as artist and vocalist “.

  363. BUTTERFLY says:

    “I love Mariah Carey. Her music has saved lives of children of the ghetto. Songs like “Vision of Love” gave us hope and the desire to sing her songs, trying to reproduce her notes, even if we could not. I do not think she knows she has played a large part of my life. And then when you meet her, you realize it is such a beautiful person, to defend when the media or other stars are attacking her. She does not deserve that.

    Mary J Blige

    ” I used to sing “Vision of Love” all the time in my shower using my toothbrush as a microphone.I looked up to Mariah a lot and I still do. I admire her as an artist, and to compete with her was a moment I will never forget for the rest of my life “.”

    Rihanna

    “Vision of Love” when I heard this song, I knew my mind was made up, I wanted to become a singer.”

    Beyonce.

    “The first singer that I’m really interested in was Mariah Carey when I was 12. Somehow, she learned me to sing, because you know I could not really pay me singing lessons. So I just listen to all her albums over and over again and learned her words.”

    Nelly Furtado

    “I watched “The Arsenio Hall Show” and Mariah sang “Vision of Love.” The way she used her voice, she had so much power. I knew then that I also wanted to make people feel what she had purchased. I bought all her albums and memorized her words. That’s all I wanted to make my day, singing songs by Mariah Carey.”

    Nivea Hamilton

    “I was obsessed! I remember when I heard “Vision of Love” and then I saw this young white woman with a black woman’s voice, and while it upset me. You can tell her she was an icon magic and everything I dreamed of being when I was in school, it is becoming Mariah Carey. She sang with a gospel choir around her and it was my dream. I just wanted to be her !”

    Lucie Silvas

    ” From her first album till today ,her music is absolutely beautiful to listen to. I am touched by every note and her voice is practically on all notes of the piano.”

    Anastacia

    ” I found out Mariah on the radio when I was in my room. And when “Vision of Love” is over, I ran down the stairs and I told my mother,“Mom, Mom, I just found the greatest singer in the world. I just heard the most beautiful voice in the world ”

    Christina Aguilera

    “I always told this story: when I was in prison and I heard for the first time “vision of love”, I said it was the hottest song in the world. I always used to say:“Dude! if only I could meet her !”

    Snoop Dogg

    ” Mariah Carey is a perfectionist,every tracks from her albums proves that ”

    Missy Elliott

    ” Vision Of Love Is an incredible song.Mariah Carey is an incredible artist”

    Wanya Morris

    ” Mariah’s voice is like a cloud of emotion that surrounds you, and take you in a dream world ”

    Fat Joe

    See ?

  364. BUTTERFLY says:

    Celine is good,but Mariah is the uncomparable,she’s incredible and very far beyond Celine,let’s just admit it. -)

  365. The Reason says:

    The only reasons why Celine does not have agglophone hits this decade (she scored several french hits in the 00s) is because 1) she is doing adult contemporary music and not urban/hip hop or electropop which were the popular genres this decade 2) her label aims at album sales for Celine and not single sales. Even in 1998/1999 when she was at the height of her popularity her label barely released her singles physically. For example ”That’s The Way It Is” that became a hit in Us (#6) was never released commercially there. Its success was due to airplay alone. The CD single was only released many months later on the B Side of her single ”I Want You To Need Me”. Same way songs that could become hits were never released commercially on the right time such as ”A New Day Has Come” , ”I’m Alive”, ”I Drove All Night”. Not to mention that the Miracle album had no commercial singles AT ALL + the only commercial single of the last 2 projects (Taking Chances + My Love) was the song ”Taking Chances”. Another fact that proves what I’m saying is that Celine rarely shot video clips for her 00s English songs. I count like 8 music videos while she released 2 compilation albums, 4 studio albums and 1 live album. It is more than obvious Celine does not even try to have many English hits. Actually, in her career she has released about 140 singles and only 60 of them were released commercially (20 in French and about 40 in English).

    So once lambs are asked about Mariah’s hard times at selling out stadiums
    the response should be irrelevant to Celine’s single success. Celine does not try to sell her singles that much. This is crystal clear. That being said, Mariah does try to be successful at touring and sell out arenas everytime she decides to tour. The 3 major tours she did this decade were quite extensive (for her touring standards) but none of them managed to really sellout or even make an impact. Besides I don’t know why lambs who keep declaring Mariah as the best selling and most talented female artist can’t explain in simple words why the so called untouchable and popular diva has been unable for more than a decade to gather audiences when she is going on tours. I know successful touring is many times irrelevant to talent, but I never saw any other talented and well known mainstream artist being unable to sellout. And I mean #Never.

    I also see lambs boasting about Mariah’s hits this decade. Yes she has
    had hits and good for her. Nobody denies that. But every thing has 2 sides, not just one. Once we want to credit an artist for being successful at one area we have to take into account the ups and downs. The ups in this case would be songs like : 1) Thank God I Found You 2) Loverboy 3) I Know What You Want 4) We Belong Together 5) Shake It Off 6) Touch My Body 7) Obsessed and probs 8) I Want To Know What Love Is (For its success in Brazil) who really became popular. So there it is. Mariah had 8 good selling singles this decade. Good for her. It is more than Celine who had like 3 or 4 (If we count That’s The Way It Is).

    How about looking at the downs of the whole thing ? The downs would be
    1) Can’t Take That Away 2) Never Too Far 3) Don’t Stop Funkin For Jamaica 4) Last Night A DJ Saved My Life 5) Through The Rain 6) Boy (I Need You) 7) Bringing On The Heartbreak 8) Say Something 9) Fly Like A Bird) 10) Lil Love 11) My Love 12) Bye Bye 13) I’ll Be Loving You Long Time 14) I Stay In Love 15) Right To Dream 16) Hateu 17) Up Out My Face 18) Angels Cry 19) 100% 20) O Santa are all songs who failed to make
    an impact on mainstream radios or charts. However, most of them were
    released commercially + on mainstream stations + they were supported by music videos + most of them were songs of the urban rnb/hip hop genre.

    So even the biggest argument of Mariah’s superiority this decade is pretty much invalid given the fact she’s not a stable seller. Actually facts show she’s been more unsuccessful than successful even in this area. Therefore, before lambs attack Celine for being unable to have hit songs (In English!) they should first take into account their own divas hard times at selling her music.

    In terms of album sales this decade Mariah has TEOM that sold over 1om copies (and probs Rainbow). Celine has ANDHC and her compilation All The Way. I don’t see how any logic person would boast about Mariah having an album to sell over 10m this decade. The irony is that the rest releases are considered flops in terms of album sales. ”Memoirs Of An Imperfect Angel” sold a little more than 1m copies. None of Celine’s english studio albums has ever sold that low. ”Merry Christmas To You” sold a little more than 600k worldwide. None of Celine’s English studio albums has ever sold that low. Moreover none of Celine’s agglophone projects has ever received a limited worldwide release like Mariah’s latest album.

    In terms of Grammy Awards, Mariah got her 5th Grammy in 2005. Celine had received her 5th Grammy in 1999. These are all established facts. I would rather ask lambs when was the last time Mariah was awarded in a market outside Us. :/

    I don’t see how these arguments make sense. Actually they don’t make sense at all and I’m sorry to see people insisting in these unsupported theories.

    Moving on…Celine Dion is not only praised by David Foster and Tommy Mottola (who actually have no personal motives to praise her talent). She has also been praised by music legends such as Barbra Streisand who said it was an HONOR for her to sing next to Celine, Lucciano Pavarotti who said he couldn’t have a better partner to do a duet, Andrea Bocelli, Michael Jackson (Probably the best entertainer ever lived) who actually went to see Celine’s performances in Las Vegas, Bee Gees who said Celine inspired them to write ”Immortality” and that it was a gift to collaborate with her, Peabo Bryson who said that there is no way you won’t fall in love with Celine once you get to sing with her, Thalia (best selling Spanish female singer) who cited Celine as her main influence and also praised her down to earth personality. Lara Fabian, Delta Goodrem, Michael Bubble, Il Divo, Luc Plamondon, Ricky Martin, Garou, Rihanna, Josh Croban have all praised Celine. Randy Jackson said she is unreachable. Simon Cowell and all judges put her on the same league as Whitney and Mariah and call them ”The Trinity”. Cher said that Celine Dion is the best voice in the business. Prince also praised Celine’s talent and even offered her a song. Prince Albert said her talent creates smiles of love all over the planet. Moreover, it is not just what people said. It is also what people did ! Actions can also show people’s admiration and respect towards an artist. The Pope chose Celine Dion to perform ”Une Colombe” when she was 16. Queen Elisabeth chose Celine Dion to perform ”Because You Loved Me” and ”The Reason” for the Royale wedding. Colloseum chose Celine for the biggest contract for a live entertainment deal in the history of music. The ceremony of Grammy Awards chose Celine to perform most times at the ceremony. Academy Awards also chose Celine to sing and as of 2011 she holds a record there too. Celine was chosen to perform at the 1996 Olympics and the result is the most poignant vocal performance to ever take place for an Olympic Games ceremony. Aren’t all these honors and establish proof of acclaim ? Yes they are. I don’t mention her countless appearances on Soundtracks because these are just commercial steps and don’t prove much. However, every person who is unbiased and fan of both Mariah and Celine can see that both artists are highly respected by the music industry. Celine doesn’t need Mariah’s acclaim and Mariah doesn’t need Celine’s acclaim.

    Finally, Celine has been more consistent when singing live the past years. She was belting and sustaining powerful F5s in her latest tour in more than 132 while being in a bad vocal condition. The woman is a beast. Anyway…This does not take away Mariah’s greatness as a vocalist. I just can’t when reading biased unsupported comments of Celine being really behind Mariah. These are rather silly statements which only prove lack of music knowledge and fanaticism. I am not an ignorant and I am not stan so I know damn well what I’m talking about.

    The End. <3

  366. The Reason says:

    My mistake on Mariah’s singles. Reflections (Care Enough) did not make an impact, Against All Odds (Take A Look At Me Now) is an average hit and Don’t Forget About Us is a good selling single.

    I also forgot to mention another argument that proves Celine’s label aims at album sales and not single sales. Even Celine’s biggest hit ”My Heart Will Go On” recieved a limited release in the world’s biggest market (Us) as only about 700k were available on music stores. It is a tactic Sony followed to boost the album sales of ”Let’s Talk About Love” and ”Titanic” Soundtrack. These steps make sense because it takes like 3 dollars to buy a single and like 1 dollar (the most) to download a single, while albums are always sold for like 15-25 dollars. This is what happens here in Europe too.

    Albums usually cost from 18-22 Euros and singles price always pales in comparison. So in terms of proving popularity people should rather care about album sales, dvd sales and ticket sales in first place and then about downloaded singles. Besides even the most untalented artists can easily sell singles. All it takes is 1) doing mainstream music 2) having a suggestive/cool attitude and videos. This is why artists like Kesha, Rihanna, Katy Perry, Black Eyed P. have been scoring several hits. Are they big or even stable album sellers or successful touring artists ? Hell no.

    Singles can be easily manipulated by the labels. Album sales can’t, exactly because albums cost way more. Tickets also can’t be manipulated at all.

    Anyway my vote on who had the most successful career goes to Celine.

  367. Sony says:

    Mariah Carey is so much better

  368. Sony says:

    Mariah is the more talented

  369. BUTTERFLY says:

    Like it or hate,Mariah Carey is far more successful than Celine Dion.I agree that Celine is also a very great seller like MC and that she surpasses Mimi only in concerts and tours.Yes,Celine is also praised by some celebrities and superstars but the important here is that Mimi surpasses her on it.But Mariah surpasses Celine in hits,influence,legacy and musicianship.Mariah also left some unique marks and records as producer and composer that even famous songwriters ,producers and composers like Diane Warren,Carole King,David Foster,Walter Afanasieff,etc. have to envy.Celine doesn’t have these kind of achievements at all.

  370. BUTTERFLY says:

    Mariah is more successful than Celine,no doubt.
    Mariah is still more impressive on stage than Celine.Even if she performs mainly R&B and Hip Hop songs the last decade that hide her incredible and unreachable vocal capability.Her ABC special Christmas prove that she’s unique.She has not only power,but also an incredible flexibility and versatility.Her voice stay as young and fresh as the 1990’s.Mariah’s live performance of Charlie Brown Christmas,One Child,Christmas Time Is In The Air Again,O Little Town Of Bethlehem,etc…prove that Mariah Carey is still The Voice !

  371. BUTTERFLY says:

    Albums sales can be manipulated easily by labels and musical institutions that based their certifications and statements on estimations.

  372. BUTTERFLY says:

    No matter if singles are cheap or expensive.Fact stay,Mariah is more successful than Celine in singles either in sales either in airplay Charts.
    The only reasons why Mariah doesn’t have impressive success on tours this decade is because 1) she did a few concerts and tours at the time when she was the most popular and successful worldwide. 2) She started to give tours only after her Music Box album,but in a few different countries.So it’s normal that she doesn’t have successful tours nowadays,since her popularity decrease a lot relatively to the1990’s

  373. Divas Live. says:

    To: All Mariah Carey Fanatic….
    ]
    MARIAH CAREY Cant Sing Anymooooooooooooooooore……………

    Where is Mariah Today……..? Sleeping Every night…….

    Celine Dion Still Performing At Las Vegas Every night
    Millions Of People Around the world travel …..only to see her……

    Its Very Very Very Idiot to say Mariah Carey I Better Than Celine Dion….

    Even in Divas Live 1998 Mariah Carey is Like A horse…trying to reach those notes……..

    while Celine;s Angel Voice is Crystal Clear……and her belting Voice so Clean……while Mariah is Like Sour Throat ..that why Mariah Was blown by Celine’s belting notes ……

    until Now Still Celine Dion Rule the world when we speak about a Diva…………….and that’s the fact….

    Mariah Cant sing Anymooooooooooooooooooorrrrrrrrrrreeeeeee…….

  374. Divas Live. says:

    Even …..Most Musician around the world choose Celine to work with than Mariah Carey cant sing anymooooorrrreeeeee….
    Mariah Carey’s song is meaningless her songs is all about party…….lust ..sex….etch…… she cant even make a song for her child……..if she can ..im sure the Title probably …..I want to be your doll…. touch my *****…….

    my goodness …..

    Even at Oscar Awards they always choose Celine Dion to perform than Mariah…..

    Mariah is just whispering ……….& whistle anywhere ….in the song without meaning …..Remember what she does at MJ burial ???? such a disgrace………..if only Celine Dion Will Performed * give tribute to MJ Im sure all the world where move….not like Mariah did…..such a disgrace……

    poor MoMo………Shes really trying hard to sing…………anymoooooooorrrrreeeeeeee………………………

  375. Divas Live. says:

    Cant Sing Anymoooooooooooooreeeeeee period…

  376. Divas Live. says:

    Okey Mariah…..just whispering anymooooooooooooorrrrrreeeee..

  377. Gloria Macapagal Arroyo says:

    Celine Dion Still Amazing………She CAN easily sing her old songs…..

    Most Contestant here in Philippines in singing contest use Celine Dion just to win.MAriah yes she cant sing anymore you CAN SEE SHE REALLY STRUGGLE TO HIT THE NOTES.
    CELINE DION .still better & better everyday.

  378. dave says:

    i like mariah i always have an erection evrytime she sing. Mariah wins.

  379. charice says:

    Here in Philippines most contestant in singing contest use Celine Dion Songs to show a real vocal powers. I think Celine is more successful than mariah because she can still bring a big concourse of people to watch her show.
    While Mariah Carey still Flopping 7 Flopping only few recognize her nowadays..Celine Can Sing \different kinds of languages….while mariah only english.
    Celine can sing italian songs, spanish,French,English,etch..

  380. Janice. says:

    Yes its true i saw Mariah Carey in youtube she really murder Holy Night
    She really change tha whole songs shouting,whistle in wrong tempo,plus the shouting and applause the audience to praise Mariah they forgot the real meaning of the songs its all about Christ the Lord not about her ..Mariah’s whistle is so hurt to my eardrum.. NO WONDER Celine Dion Version is more popular in youtube Mariah Only got approximately 1 million followers
    While Celine Dion has 12 million hahahaha and most people here still say Mariah is better hahahaha really funny..hahahahahaha….

  381. TRISH says:

    Sorry haters,but Mariah is way better than Celine by all means.Celine never known how to sing dear honeys.She can only release nasal screams.
    This camel called Celine can just make people laugh by her pull faces and jokes.Nothing to do with singing.

  382. TRISH says:

    Mimi is talented enough to singing by HER OWN while Celine needed reputed vocalist to back up her nasal and dry voice and career.Moreover,The voice is able to create her own songs and produce them.Mariah is a real artist,not a parrot,neither a puppet.
    MARIAH IS BETTER THAN CELINE ON STAGE,CELINE CAN’T SING ANYMORE !!!!

  383. TRISH says:

    Mariah is called ” Queen of Christmas songs”.Her all time classic All I Want For Christmas Is You.Is the best selling Christmas single of all time.Her version of O Holy Night is the best version ever and the most popular worldwide !

  384. TRISH says:

    Tony Bennett,Justin Bieber,etc…choose Mariah to sing in duet,while Celine clown in front of many thousand of people at Las Vegas.
    Mariah is able to sing different musical genres while Celine only Pop/Ballad songs created and produced by other artists.

  385. TRISH says:

    This is very very foolish to say Celine is better than Mariah.Mariah rules on Billboard next to legends as Beatles and Elvis Presley.Where is Celine ? Oh…sorry I forget that she make pull faces at Las Vegas.

    Mariah held the record of the widest and most extended voice of all time by Guinness World Records. Celine ? Only her delusional fanatics try to say she has an special voice.
    Mimi is ranked first at the 22 greatest voices of all time by MTV Countdown.etc…

  386. TRISH says:

    You are just so ignorant and idiot to say that Mariah’s songs are meaningless.The Voice owns the lyrics of : Hero,Vision Of Love,Fly Like A Bird,Oh Santa,Make It Happen,My Saving Grace,Butterfly,Love Takes Time,We Belong Together,One sweet Day.etc..
    Can you please tell me which meaningful song Celine sang that is created and produced by herself?

  387. TRISH says:

    The Voice is so much better than Celine either in studio either on stage.Celine can only dream about Mimi’s riffs,runs,melismas and belts.

  388. TRISH says:

    At least,Mariah is able to make a man getting an erection unlike Celine that couldn’t even if she stay completely nude.

  389. TRISH says:

    Celine is an overrated artist,while Mimi is a living legend !

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