Still More On Celine Dion Versus Mariah Carey This post is for a third round of comments continuing the discussion sparked by the Monarc_2002 editorial viewable here and continued here asking whether Celine Dion or Mariah Carey has had the more successful career. April 18, 2011 Jeff C Opinion Celine Dion, Mariah Carey «There’s No Illuminati Behind Natalia KillsDavid Archuleta Can’t Play Basketball, But Can Cover Stevie Wonder»Related NewsCeline Dion Versus Mariah Carey – Round 4Continuing Celine Dion Versus Mariah CareyMariah Carey Wishes Celine Dion A Happy BirthdayCeline Dion Versus Mariah CareyWhitney On Mariah, Celine And Music Swapping 390 thoughts on “Still More On Celine Dion Versus Mariah Carey” The Reason says: April 20, 2011 at 11:14 am@ TRISHLMAO ,you’re a joke. And probably around 15 years old.You’re the one trying to prove me wrong. At least what Iclaim are all established facts. (Forbes,La Times,Ukmagazines,RIAA,Certifications,World Music Awards,Sites)The burden of proof is yours,not mine. I’ve listed allmy sources and facts. If you don’t believe them it isyour opinion and I don’t care. I’ve done my part. It’syour job to prove me wrong ,and you have failed. So stopyour bitching and get to work to find some factsto prove Mariah sold 300m records. Like I said I am donedebating,but you will ALWAYS be called out on the liesand mistakes you keep posting. So you will NEVER feelrelief,unless you stop posting lies. You are a Celinefan and you love Celine ? This is why you claim she has2.7 octaves while she reaches the 3.5 octaves ? Mariahhas indeed a wider vocal range 5.1 octaves as shereaches the whistle register.(Over the E6 notes)YOU AREEXPOSED FOR SAYING CELINE HAS 2.7 Octaves.Celine Vocal Range : B2 – E6 which is more than ToniBraxton , Leona , Beyonce AND Whitney ! (Whitney has 3.1octaves vocal range) !– You said Mariah has income from her acting career.LIE ! Actors are not being paid for flop films.– You said ”If Celine got 225 m $ from albumssold,that’s mean Mariah got 300 m $ from her albumssince she sold more albums than Celine worldwide.” Ican easily think like you so I should say : If Mariahsold 300m records then Celine sold 400mrecords.Still,you proved nothing,but I have Forbes andLA Times in my sleeve,that clearly mentioned 225m dollarsmade by album sales from Celine.– You say Mariah sold 25m albums in Japan.PROVE IT.In this world Mariah sold 18m albums In Japan (17m fromCertifications) and if you claim 25m for her YOU HAVE TOBRING THE CERTIFICATIONS or ESTIMATIONS (not yours) oran Award for these sales.Posting 25m just like thatMEANS NOTHING! See how it is done :Celine sold 15m albums In Canada ! Here :celinedioncharts.com/byalbum.htmYou can also visit the CRIA certification system to seeI don’t lie.Diamond Certification in Canada doesn’t mean 10xP (=1m),it could also mean 18xP like Celine’s ”The Colour ofmy love” that sold 1.800.000 copies there. (18xP)Same goes for Japan and ”Million” certifications.– You said Celine amuses her fans in her concerts.Funny how most of the songs during her shows are tearjerkers,LOL– Celine dropped school but this is irrelevant to whatyou claimed on producing skills,for instance..! Youdidn’t even know arranging and producing skills are thesame thing and you mentioned them as 2 different thingsto put more asstes to Mariah.– Mariah followed choreography during Honey in 1998 -.-‘Just buy A New Day DVD & Taking Chances Tour DVD &Au Couer Du Stade DVD.– Celine is not just loud,she has great breath control,smooth transitions,belting ability,soft low notes.And of course belting and strong volume is needed inrnb singers as well,so you didn’t excuse any of yourfavorites against Celine.I REPEATI don’t care proving anything more on Celine and I don’tmind debating. But the lies will always be exposed.You claim 200m records for Celine ? OK ! I am done.Keep on believing so. BUTSince you asked me…I ask again…Which sources proveMariah sold 300m records ? It is an easy question.This is your last chance to answer.AND ALL THE BURDEN FALLS ON YOUR SIDE,DEAR.-> Follow my advice : Ask for sorry for all the lies youpost and just leave the debate. You will at least showsome DIGNITY. LuckyLuke says: April 20, 2011 at 12:06 pmI never called Mariah attention whore.Jessica did andI put her in place for doing so.All the other accusations took place in the past when Ientered here with different nicknames just to piss youoff. I used to say Celine sold 200m albums in 17 yearsthen,which was obviously a big lie just to make you allangry.I am not a Mariah hater to accuse her of silly thingssuch as boobs and not a delusional fan to post lies Ican’t prove.Once again,my job here is done. I show how Celine sold240m records worldwide (not by inflating album sales)and if you don’t accept it I AM FINE WITH THIS.& Unlike your accusations it is been MORE than 3 monthssince I admited Mariah is better in : songwriting skills,producing skills,innovative ideas,video directing(Fantasy),even in beauty.On Voice and Legacy I have a different opinion.AndI won’t ellaborate any further on why I consider Celinebetter than Britney Spears,LOL.Still I will never use words ”kills,slays,beats” !I DON’T WANT TO FIGHT WITH YOU, SO JUST STOP POSTINGLIES ON CERTIFICATIONS AND SALLES ! The Reason says: April 20, 2011 at 2:35 pmAlmost forgot !Everything I said about Celine’s certificationsdates is 100 percent right. She got her finalcertifications between 2000 – 2004 and I can post AGAINthese dates. & Mariah got her Millennium Award for salescoming from 1990-1999. This is why it is calledMILLENIUM Award !Millenium ended at 31/12/1999.It has nothing to dowith sales from 00s,despite the fact that it was givento MC during 2000.And her sales by 2000 stood at 130m albums withoutcounting Rainbow. If you count Rainbow & her 00s albums(without inflating or deleting sales)you see she sold 150m by 2003 and 165m by 2011. It isso simple.Check all her sites , or her labels announcements.You can also check magazines of each era !Or even what every Tv host claims on her sales.You choose what to trust. I trust all these sitesand you should stop calling me a liar,cause it isobvious I don’t create things out of my mind.Finally,stop saying that internet features lies becauseyou get all your info using the internet. You knowcertifications by using the internet. You used to sayyou trust magazines ,but we shouldn’t go there causeall magazines declare Celine as the best seller of thelast 20 years.(I already posted some of them)Now that I think of it , internet & media & magazinesagree with me,LOL.Anyway…Just don’t lie again and we are fine :))I hate fighting with Mariah and Celine fans and Ipromise you I won’t reply again,if you avoid lies andtheories. The Reason says: April 20, 2011 at 8:12 pm& I never compared Celine’s dancing skills to Beyonce’s.I am not crazy to do so. LOL The Reason says: April 22, 2011 at 2:53 pm@ POSTS 121-127 LIES / TRISH– 5.1 Otaves (Mariah’s range) is not the largest vocalrange ever for a female. FAIL– All the awards you mentioned are are NOTINTERNATIONAL. You put the word ”International” andthen you mention Billboard and MTV ! This proves yourdelusion. FAIL– Only WMA are considered international,Mariah has morebecause of the 90s distnctions per year & she was thebest seller of 1990-1999. Celine’s international awardsare more recent than Mariah’s. 2004 , 2007 , 2008 and soon. FAIL– Sales is not the only thing Celine could suprassMariah.It is record sales & number of awards & stagepresence/entertaining skills & popularity ! FAIL.– Celine is more popular everywhere,exept for Asia andUs,while Mariah is not even HALF popular Celine is inAfrica.Celine even suprassed MJ in record sales inAfrica and her tour demand there is impressive. FAIL– Mariah CARES About concerts ,she is just unable tosell out. FAIL– You said Celine parfumes are not nominated ! LMAO !Celine won FiFi award for women’s FRAGRANCE OF THE YEARin 2004. Celine won award in 2006 for BEST PACKAGING.Celine won French Fragrance Industry award in 2007.Celine won Shape of Beauty Aware for Mood BoostingFragrance of the Year (For Sensational) in 2008 ! Andwas nominated from 2004-2009 for all her Fragrances !On top of these she grossed 850.000.000 dollars.You fail and you prove once again you know NOTHING onCeline. FAIL– Celine was also included in many maazines during herpregnancy but I don’t see how this is an argument topopularity.FAIL.– The rest Us Mariah achievements are in my book yearsbefore you even heard of them. FAIL. :)– Mariah sold 35-40m albums in Asia. If you claim 50mPROVE IT. Otherwise you FAIL– All Mariah’s certifications are clear in Japan.Mariah Carey 4x Platinum 900,000Emotions 5x Platinum 1,000,000MTV Unplugged 2x Platinum 500,000Music Box 11x Platinum 2,300,000Merry Christmas 13x Platinum 2,700,000Daydream 12x Platinum 2,500,000Butterfly 8x Platinum 1,600,000Number 1s 18x Platinum 3,600,000Rainbow 5x Platinum 1,000,000Glitter 2x Platinum 450,000Greatest Hits 2x Platinum 400,000Charmbracelet 2x Platinum 400,000The Remixes 25,000The Emancipation Platinum 350,000E=MC Gold 150,000Memoirs Gold 100,000These figures where also announced by Sony Music Japan.These are her actual sales. Not only certified sales. Ifit was certified sales I would put 200k in TEOM and not350k,for being platinum. You FAIL to inflate her sales.– All Certification DATES are clear :ifpi.com/content/section_news/plat2004.htmlriaa.com/goldandplatinumdata.php?table=SEARCH_RESULTSFAIL.– Celine pulls people on her concerts because of herVoice & Stage Skills. FAIL again.– You said Celine did duets to boost her voice. LMAOCeline became known for her voice since 1981.She wonawards for her voice all through the 80s decade whenNOBODY made a duet with her. She won Grammy forher vocal perfomances for SOLO perfomances. Herhardest songs are SOLO songs. FAIL .– Boyz II Men vocalists ? LMAO.Celine equal to Nicki Minaj ? LMAO. Celine can’t singin Greek,but I can sing in English and French so I amway better,according to your dumb (sorry :P) processof thought.Celine could only dream of singing Halo ? LMAO. An easysong.& Hip Hop = Rap and I don’t recall Mariah doing a rapverse.———> After These You Had The NERVE to ask —-> ”Since when Celine had a number 1 Hit on Billboard ? Eurochart ? United World Chart ? Since when your Idol had a million seller single ? Since when your idol won a Grammy Award ? A relevant major awards or citation ? About voice,what vocal record Celine ever hold in her career ? What citation from Guinness World Record did she ever received ? Which worldwide poll about voice did Celine ever won ? What International vocal rank did she ever top ? A worldwide poll ? Magazines Polls ? ”—–>All your questions are proof of your DELIRIUM andnothing more,but since you CHALLENGE me , I will reply.First,nobody here said Celine is a strong single seller.From you questions,Mariah wins only in Billboard Hot 100.Eurochart ? This decade Celine had more top 10 hits.Neither Celine,nor Mariah scored number 1s there thisdecade. FAILUnited World Chart ? This decade Celine scored TWOnumber 1s at United World Chart. Mariah NONE. FAIL.Vocal Record ? More LIVE perfomances at SIGNIFICANTceremonies than Mariah. More at Grammy than any otherartist,more at Oscars than any other arist,”God BlessAmerica” in 2001 when Mariah sang Loverboy (LOL) ,Live on Children’s Day 2002,L’amour Existe Encore in 2001for the victims & Grammy awards for pop vocal albums& pop vocal perfomances & award at AGE 15 in Japanfor ”Tellement J’ai D’amour” & Eurovision Song Contestaward in 1998 for a vocal perfomance. I think theseawards/records reply to your questions.– ”Mariah doesn’t care to clown around in front ofmillion of people ,wasting her unique voice for money.”Funny how Mariah does big tours only after flops. FAILFunny how Mariah admited losing her abilities because ofdrinks and cigarettes. FAIL– ”You say Mariah’s voice is breathy,but can you cite for me 1 studio recording songs in which Mariah’s voice is breathy? ”LOL ! Songs ? All over Charmbracelet and Memoirs albumshave breathy week vocals,even music critics mentionedthis. FAILJust to EXPLAIN you…”Breathy” for Mariah has got to do her technique andit is an objective MISTAKE.What you call ”Nasal” for Celine has got to do withthe sound of her voice and it is up to OPINION,nottechnique.You may like the timbre of a person’s voice ormay not like it.The mistake Celine usually makes is her placement(technical mistake) is at high belted notes,because sheuses her throat,while Mariah has better placement.So when I say sth about Mariah’s ”breathy voice” hasgot to do with bad technique, I don’t talk about hersound.On the other hand you only try to take downCeline’s sound/colour/timbre.– ”MARIAH CAREY IS A VERY GREAT DANCER NEXT TO CELINEDION.”Celine won awards for her show Choreography in 2007.FAIL.CONCLUSION —>You have 0 knowledge on Sales , 0 knowledge on VocalSkills & 0 knowledge on CELINE DION in general.(From sales to voice,from parfume awards to technique)I replied to everything you said at posts 321-327.Quit posting lies & fake theories and I quit replying,I promise. The Reason says: April 22, 2011 at 6:12 pm* ”Since when your idol won a Grammy Award ?”Answer : Celine had already won 5 Grammy Awards by 1999.Mariah got 5 Grammy Awards by 2005.Not to mention who won the most Important Categories.(Record of the year,Album of the year,Best Vocal album)& Celine is the one to recieve an award from all Musicmarkets (Even Latin America and Africa). Not only Usawards (American awards/Billboard),cause she iseverything but limited. badik bombeo says: April 24, 2011 at 9:08 amfor me, Mariah s da best because she had a 18 # song on da billboard compare to Celine who had 6# songs!!! Mariah, had also 4 song of da year in da billboard which s hero,one sweet day,heartbreaker, and we belong together!! Mariah has more sold out albums!!!! Mariah ‘s 10 albums are all reach #1 in da us music charts!!!! Mariah had 5.1 octave voice while Celine got only 2 octave….. Celine s better but Mariah s da best!!! go m.c!!!!!!!!! The Reason says: April 24, 2011 at 4:31 pmCeline has 4 Billboard Hot 100 Number 1s,Mariah 18 out ofa total of 10 and 26 top 10 hits,respectively.Mariah has 2 songs of the decades in Us & 6 number 1Albums.Celine has 3.5 octaves vocal range. (B2-E6)Whistle notes/register is the main difference in range. Lies Lies Lies says: April 25, 2011 at 12:33 am@badik bombeo First of all, use proper grammar. I barely understood a word you were saying. Second of all, Mariah has sold 200-220 million records (albums,singles, music videos) while Celine has 220-250 million. And third, Mariah does not have 5.1, though I will admit Mariah has a larger range than Celine. But that doesn’t mean Celine has 2. That’s just wrong. She has an octave range of 3.7. You also said a big keyword there. “Mariah HAD 5.1 octave voice….” (which she doesn’t). HAD! Mariah doesn’t have a voice anymore. I have heard and seen enough videos of hen Mariah’s voice just breaks. I’m not saying Celine doesn’t do it, but only does when she’s sick. (ex: her performance at the British version of the XFactor.) And for all those people who say Celine only beats Mariah in touring and shake that off, it’s really a big deal. That just shows how much more Celine is popular worldwide unlike Mariah. In her tours, Celine performs 130 concerts whereas Mariah’s highest number of concerts are 71. Also, to the one who says Mariah’s Christmas album sold more than Celine’s, let me tell you that that is a lie (unless you’re talking about Celine’s Christmas albums from the ’80’s, which we’re not so…). I know someone already said this, but I want to clarify this a little bit more. Celine’s Christmas album These Are Special Times is the second best selling Christmas album of all time and the second best selling Christmas album in the US only behind Kenny G. Lots of you say Celine hasn’t been in movies so it proves Mariah is better. First of all, I’ll just start off by saying I won’t be saying what a flop her movies have been, ’cause not all have been. Second, none of this proves Mariah is better. We’re talking about vocals here. So don’t even bother bringing it up. Celine’s nasally because of her French accent. Her accent is a trademark. Mariah’s trademark? Her body. I’m sorry, I’m not trying to be rude here. Just saying what I think is going on. Celine is praised for her technique. So don’t you all go saying she has bad technique and don’t what she’s doing. I just want to say Mariah’s an okay singer, but Celine’s my favorite of all time. She doesn’t have to sing what others are singing to be popular and sell more albums unlike Mariah’s. I did like Mariah’s songs from the ’90’s, but now it’s just not something I want to listen to. Obsessed? Touch My Body? I don’t want to listen to Mariah telling someone to touch her arms and thighs. Just gross. The Reason says: April 25, 2011 at 2:02 am@ POST 9Thank you, thank you and thank you !– Mariah had a 5.1 octave range, this is true.Now her vocal condition faces many problems.Same goesfor her technique,which was flawless during 90s.– You exagerated a bit against MC, because her uniquewhistles is one of her trademarks but I got all yourpoints.– Celine’s popularity is also shown by charts. Celineeven scored number 1 albumS in S.America and Africathis decade,while MC barely reached the top 10 with TEOM.(Her Best Seller)– Please STAY HERE, because these lambs are out ofcontrol ,spreading lies about everything.Tell me your opinion on my posts 1-6 ! Thanks for thesupport. Mandy says: April 25, 2011 at 1:41 pmMusic Box 32m/Falling Into You 32m Daydream 25m/Let’s Talk About Love 31m #1’s 18m/All The Way 21m Mariah Carey 18m/The Colour Of My Love 18m Merry Christmas 17m/ These Are Special Times 14m Butterfly 16 m/ A New Day Has come 11m The Emancipation Of Mimi 12m/ D’eux 9m Rainbow 12m / Celine Dion 5 m Emotions 11m /One Heart 5m MTV Unplugged EP 10m /Taking Chances 3,5m Greatest Hits 5m/S’il Suffisait D’aimer 3m Charmbracelet 4,7m/ Miracle 2,5m Glitter 4m/ /Dion Chante Plamondon 2m E=MC 2,8m/ Unison 3,5m Memoirs Of An Imperfect Angel 2m/ The Collector Serie 2 m The Remixes 1m/ D’elles 2m The Ballads 0,8m / On Ne Change Pas 1,7m Merry Christmas 0,6m/ Celine A L’Olympia 1 m Playlist 0,4m/Au Coeur Du Stade 1m + My Love 1m +A New Day Live 1m + 1980’s Quebecker albums 1,5m +low selling compilations 2mTotal -> 180 million (Mariah )/ 178,7m ( Celine ) ALBUM SALES = They are equal Mariah 180 million -Celine 178,4 millionMandySINGLE SALES=Mariah wins Mariah 75 million- Celine 55 millionDVD SALES = Celine wins Mariah 3 million- Celine 5,5 millionVOICE = Mariah wins Mariah vocal range : 5 octaves -Celine vocal range ; 2,5 octavesPOPULARITY = Mariah wins Mariah is popular in more countries/continents than Celine. Mariah Carey beat Celine in USA,Japan,Korea,China,Taiwan,Hong Kong,Philipines,Brazil, Costa Rica,Jamaica, West Indies ,Australia,New Zealand,Fidji ,Israel ,Brunei Celine beat Mariah in Canada,France,UK,Germany,Italia,Spain,Belgium,Luxembourg,South Africa.INFLUENCE = Mariah winsMariah influences Kelly Clarkson,Beyonce,Jessica Simpson,Alicia Keys,Kat Deluna,Justin Timberlake,Destiny’s Child,Backstreet Boys,Trey Lorenz,Pixie Lott,Ciara,Rihanna… Celine influences Charice,Lara Fabian,Garou,etc…TOURS AND CONCERT TICKET SALES = Celine winsTALENT ( songwriting,composing and producing skills)= Mariah winsCONTRIBUTION & PART IN THE EVOLUTION OF MUSIC= Mariah wins Mariah is credited as the artist introducing elements of Hip Hop and R&B in Pop culture.Mariah is also credited as the pioneer of Remixes .She’s equally the one that had haul R&B genre on top in USA and popularized this Hip Hop/R&B worldwide.FORTUNE =Draw For all the 1990 and 2000 decades combined ,both divas are equal .Mariah was richer for all the 1990’s period, like Celine was richer for all the 2000’s period ( most of Celine major sources of income are situated in the 2000 decade,at the other hand most of Mariah’s come from the 1990’s.Celine had major contracts in the 2000’s with American and Canadian brands,Mariah had major contracts in the 1990’s with Japanese and American brands ). Conclusion : Celine wins in DVD sales,tours & concert ticket sales… Mariah Carey wins in :Album sales, Single sales,voice,talent,popularity,influencial power,musical and artistical contribution. Mariah and Celine are equal in fortune. Mariah is better because she wins in most things. Lies Lies Lies says: April 25, 2011 at 2:27 pm@The Reason I know that’s also one of her trademarks, but I thought I’d leave that out ’cause everytime I ask a friend about her, I have to remind them about her body so that they know who she is (strange, but true). Not many singers, good singers I should say, have French accents but I know quite a few who can whistle (I’ve even heard JoJo on YouTube do it (kind of surprising)). I agree with everything you say! I’m beginning to think Trish is Chimier from YouTube because she will not stop with her lies and insults to Celine and us. But I guess it can’t be since Chimier doesn’t give up. But she is a like a smaller version of Chimier if you know what I mean. And to all the lambs -> shut up, read what we have to say, and research about your idol because you’re humiliating yourselves by stating the obvious and lying to us and yourselves. Don’t be like that ’cause no one likes that. :/ Lies Lies Lies says: April 25, 2011 at 2:28 pmNot trying to be harsh though I don’t know how I’m being harsh. Lies Lies Lies says: April 25, 2011 at 2:30 pmI entered the contest for Celine and I really want to win! The Reason says: April 25, 2011 at 7:59 pm@ Mandy– ALBUM SALES : Get your facts straight. Mariah soldaround 165m albums.You inflated many of her album sales(Mtv Live,Emotions,TEOM,Merry Xmas).– SINGLES SALES : Mariah sold 55m+ singles and I canprove it anytime.– DVDS : You are so right and exact.– POPULARITY : MC is more popular in Asia andUs according to their record sales. I don’t see how youspeak specifically about Fidji Islands and CostaRica,since I bet you ignore the certification systemthere & Mariah was never awarded in these places.AndBrazil belongs to Celine – LTAL is Million seller there.Mariah has an airplay record there in 2009,still shedidn’t even reach Platinum with Memoirs.Plus,There areEuropean markets where Mariah is almost uknown, but wecan’t say the same about Celine in Asian markets.– VOICE : Celine has a 3.5 range.More range doesn’t meanbetter singer,because that would mean Madonna (4 octaves)is better than Whitney (3.1 octaves) and Leona (2.8octaves). I have been saying for months thatboth singers have pros and cons in their techniqueand vocal condition, so it is silly comparing them.– INFLUENCE/LEGACY :A) Vocal Legacy : You are 100 percent right. They bothhave Vocal Legacy, but Mariah has more, cause moreartists credit her.B) Musical Legacy : Mariah wins (Fantasy Remix etc)Celine has none.C) Cultural Impact : the influence of French languagehas increased outside the nation’s borders,thanx toCeline’s talent and success, according to accoladesCeline recieved.Celine was awarded in mid 90s (Knight of the Order ofArts and Letters) and in 2008 by Nicola Sarkozy(Legeon of Honor) for her acievements and influence.Her cultural impact is actually shown (apart from theawards) by the fact that Celine always sings Frenchsongs all around the world.On top of that her albumsalways chart in non-francophone markets.(Uk,German,Greece,Portugal etc).There is no other francophone artist in the history ofmusic to introduce French music to the world,the wayCeline did.D) Entertaining Impact : According to AEG,Celine’simpact on the entertainment standard is thebar all others compare to, after her extremelysuccessful Vegas shows.This is also proved by the title she was given in 2008”Entertainer of the New Millenium”.E) Economical impact : I think only Elvis and Sinatramanaged to affect the economy of a whole city in thepast. Now it is Celine that reportedly affect theeconomy state of Vegas. (This has nothing to do withlegacy, but is relevant to impact.)– Producing/Composing/Songwriting : Mariah.– FORTUNE : Celine was slightly ahead of MC in 2007,when Forbes publicized their TOTAL income,coming fromthe course of their careers. After 2007, Celine grossed280m For Touring & sold 6m+ albums & sold 2m DVDs& earns 500.000 $ from each night of her Vegas shows.So, it is pretty clear Celine is richer by 2011 with abigger difference,compared to 2007.Finally, LA Times clearly show how Celine was the topearner. Mariah didn’t even make it to top 20.@ Lies Lies LiesLOL ! No,Trish is a unique combination of ignorance andfanatism. She used to say MC sold 15m Dvds in Us.So nobody can compare to my precious Trish. xDBe ready to read some crazy theories and some seriousinsult on Celine (nose,clown,ugly,comedian,irrelevant)and so on. When you can’t speak with facts, you haveto insult..! ;-) The Reason says: April 25, 2011 at 9:04 pm@ Lie Lie LieAre we you tube friends or sth ? :DSend me a message there please. Thanx. :) TRISH says: April 28, 2011 at 8:28 am@ Lucky Luke : – I am 19,so I am over 15 years old. -I don’t try to prove you wrong ,this is you that try to prove me wrong cause I integrated Popdirt blogs before you . -What you claim are not established facts,they are just interpreted and disguised facts. -I already proved your sources are wrong many times -The burden of fake facts is yours. -I don’t give a **** you’re done debating,I didn’t integrate these blogs to debate with you.I’m here to post what I know on MC and Celine. -Celine Dion voice is 2,7 octaves,Whitney’s vocal range is wider than Celine’s ( around 3 octaves ). -Whitney always reach higher vocal notes than Celine and also lower notes,so she have more octaves than Celine. -Celine never reach 3 octaves,unlike Whitney (in the songs How Will I Know,I Wanna dance With Somebody,I’m Every Woman,So Emotional,The Star Spangled Banner etc…Whitney reaches high notes that Celine never did in all her career.Whitney also reaches lower notes than Celine never did ,in the songs Why Does It Hurt So Bad,After We Make Love,Try It On My Own,etc…. ).Whitney has more volume than Celine ( I Will Always Love You, Didn’t We Almost Have It All, All The Man That I need,I Wanna Dance With Somebody,I Have Nothing,Queen Of The Night,One Moment In Time,etc…). -Except for Toni Braxton,Leona Lewis and Beyonce have wider vocal range than Celine.Toni,Leona and Beyonce can reach low notes Celine could never do,Leona usually reach high notes Celine never reach .You just confound vocal volume with vocal range. -If what you say is true,Mariah wasn’t paid for only Glitter cause only Glitter was a flop film in which she had a role .All others were moderate successes or good successes. -For Mariah ,I have the royalties she have for all her songs per albums over Celine as argument and the significant number of her albums sold ,to say that she have more money from her albums sold than Celine,not just citation from magazine.Forbes only give Celine’s income from albums sold,Forbes doesn’t count albums sold.So, its estimation doesn’t mean that Celine’s albums income could surpass Mariah’s. -Mariah sold 25 million albums in Japan.I would ask the source you gave to prove Celine’s 15 million albums sold in Canada just like you ask me to do,as her certifications there surpass barely 11 million there. -All the other female singers mentioned here have great breath control,smooth transitions ,belting ability and soft low notes too,not just Celine does. -And of course vocal runs is needed in Pop singers as well,so you didn’t excuse Celine against the other singers.Besides,Whitney Houston and Aretha Franklin are known worldwide for being the pioneers of powerful belts and strong volume,although they are mainly soul/R&B singers.Soul/R&B singers usually use more volume than pop singers. (Aretha Franklin, Whitney Houston,Mariah Carey,Toni Braxton,Boyz II Men, Brian Mcnight ). So,sayin that belting and strong volume is needed in R&B show how much ignorant you are.Did Madonna,Barbra,Britney,Cindy Lauper, Kylie Minogue,etc…. use loud belts and strong volume ? As they are pop singers ? I repeat : I will always post the truth here unlike you, and you can’t prevent me to do so.You claim 220 million for Mariah ??? -Facts prove Mariah sold more records than Celine,not just re-interpreted sources.Facts prove Celine’s worldwide sales are behind Mariah’s . -I show how Mariah sold more records than Celine ( not by inflating sales from biased sources ) and if you don’t accept it I don’t care. -Since the debut I always admitted Celine is better in : concert ticket sales, successful tours,DVD sales,etc…On album sales and popularity, everything show the opposite. – You say “ I DON’T WANT TO FIGHT WITH YOU ….” ,did I invite you to do so ? So why do you continue to spread your lies here ? since you say you’re done debating ,you don’t want to fiht,etc…? I NEVER WANTED TO DEBATE SPECIALLY WITH YOU, I JUST POST MY POSTS AND YOU JUMPED HERE TO THWART ME WITH ONLY LIES AND BIASED BACK UP. -Mariah got the Millennium Award because she was the best selling female artist of the last Millenium.The Millennium include all the 19th century and also all the centuries that came before.It was n’t called “ 1990 Decade Award “ neither “ 19th Century Award ”.It was called Millennium Award. -Mariah album sales had reach 150 million by 2000. -Indeed,you choose what to trust just like I do too. -You lied many many times,beside most of your biased links. -Internet features lies ,even though I got many infos from it. And not all my info come from internet.For example,I didn’t got the infos about Nana Mouskouri true total album sales and about many Mariah’s info from internet. -I don’t just trust what is said by any source. I know most of them are mistaken or are just biased. -Mariah’s vocal range is 5,2 octaves -It is the largest vocal range for a female.No one surpasses it.Mariah hold this record since her debut ( particulary by 1991 when she had hit the G# 8 note at the end of her live performance of Emotions,outsinging even the piano ! She also outsing the piano in 2002 in her rendition of the American National Anthem according to Guinness World Records. -Only by 2007, Georgia Brown ,equalized MC’s highest note,when she had hit a G #8 note ( obviously MC couldn’t reach this note in 2007,after so many active years in music ,like she used to at her debuts ).That’s why Brown beat MC’s record till 2007 for the highest note. But Mariah still beat her for the widest vocal range,as MC can hit much lower note than Georgia Brown. -Whistle notes/register is not the main difference in range.There is also low notes,high notes and ability to SING the high notes,not to just HIT them,great flexibility and agility that are always more important when the vocal range is wider .Artists with wider vocal range also usually have more silkyness and smoothness in their voices.So the whistle is not the main difference. -The Awards I mentioned are all international .Billboard and MTV are international Awards cause they honor not only American artists,but also Canadian artists,British artists,Spanish artists,Mexican artists,Jamaican artists,French artists,Columbian artists,etc…unlike Juno ,Prix Felix that honor only Canadian artists only or Victoire de la Musique that honor French artists exclusively. -Most of Celine’s recent awards are local,not international.She haven’t more international Awards than Mariah.Celine reached Mariah’s level of success by late ,that’s why her important awards came after Mariah’s. -Album sales would be the only thing in which Celine could beat MC.In fact ,she beat The voice only in concert ticket sales and tours.The other things you mentioned for Celine are just your opinion. -Mariah is much more popular everywhere ,except for Canada and Europe while Celine is even not half popular Mariah is in Latin America. -Celine was included in a few magazines during her pregnancy compared to Mariah. -Mariah sold over 50 million albums in Asia.You fail cause you can’t prove she sold less. -All Celine’s certifications in Canada are clear,showing that her true total sales could never reach even 12 million there. -Celine pulls people on her concerts not because of her voice. Madonna ,Cher, Tina Turner etc…are all successful in concerts not because of their voices. -Celine made duets to boost the reputation of her voice.The awards she won in the 80’s were not enough significant to bring her at international celebrity and popularity.She wasn’t popular even in whole Canada,but only in Quebec ( Celine wasn’t the most successful female artist in Quebec at the 1980’s ).So,she use all famous and reputed vocalists to back up and boost her own voice and career. -Not just Grammy determine the better voices.The artists having the most Grammy are not the artists credited as the better voices nor the greatest voices.Madonna got most Grammy than Celine but that doesn’t mean Madonna have a better voice . -Boyz II Men are vocalists ! In an article from Billboard Magazine in 1994,they were called vocalists.Wanya Morris,the lead vocal of the group always considered as a great Soul/R&B vocalist ! And the way they sing also proves they are vocalists. You cited Bryan Adams as vocalist whereas he doesn’t, the vocals he use in his songs ( Pop-Rock )have nothing to do with the way vocalists sing s! -Don’t re-interpret my words.I said Celine equals to Nicki Minaj in the meaning that Celine can’t sing Nicki Minaj’s song like Nicki can’t sing Celine Dion’s song.That’s true. -Yes,you would be better than Celine on VARIOUS LANGUAGES MASTERED,if you could really sing in 3 different languages,since Celine can sing in 2 different languages.Celine would be better than you on SINGING,not on the mastering of various languages,idiot ! You combine every assets . Besides,this is your process of thought,cause this is you that claimed formerly Celine is better than MC cause she sings in 2 languages unlike The Voice. See that the one having dumb process of thinking is you ? -Mariah already sing Rap verses -Halo is not an easy song ,cause Celine ( nowadays) couldn’t sing it as she couldn’t hit the low note,neither make the silky and flexible vocal runs. -Mariah has much more # 1,top 10 ,top 20 and top 30 hits everywhere worldwide than Celine,even in this decade . -Mariah tops every international vocal polls and ranks ,unlike Celine that never integrate even the top 5 of better voices.Mariah had break records by her vocal abilities unlike Celine.Mariah is the ultimate vocal model for every artists and every vocalists everywhere worldwide.Her voice is the bar all other vocalists compare to ! -Mariah still have her vocal abilities,proved mainly and specially by her last album Merry Christmas 2 You that is better than what Celine ever do vocally in her entire career ! Comparing songs and vocal performances from this album to songs from Celine’s 1998 Christmas album would only put Celine’s stans in an awkward position ! -There is any breathy song from Mariah’s albums.You couldn’t cite even 1 song having to back up this claim.Music critics also call Celine’s voice “nasal’ not in just 2 or 3 albums ,but constantly ( even though Celine sound less nasal in some records and more nasal in other records). -Celine won awards for her show choregraphy because everyone though she couldn’t move at all.They were astonished as they saw she could almost “ dance ‘ like everyone and amused people by her comedic “ dance ‘.So they awarded her. -Celine never won Grammy for Record Of the Year,nor Album Of The Year ,etc…as she’s nil on producing,composing and songwriting.Producers and songwriters won them.The only Grammy Celine really won are in the Best Vocal Performance category( in which she share one with Peabo Bryson ).Mariah got 5 Grammy Awards by her own ! -Mariah is the one to be popular everywhere worldwide,even in the tinyest places of the world ( Jamaica,Haiti,Fidji Islands,Solomon Islands,etc…).She also have # 1 hits in those places and influences artists/vocalists there.Cause she’s everything but not a robot.She’s a true artist. @ Lies Lies Lies ( you nicknamed yourself very well ) -Learn that there is posters from various nationalities/languages in these debates for which English is not the native language nor the second neither the third language and that many people posting here may just improvise English phrases to express their ideas here. -Mariah Carey sold much more records than Celine -Mariah’s voice is 5,2 octaves,Celine’s is 2,7 the most.Christina Aguilera is the closest vocalist to Mariah in vocal range.Mariah proves she still have her particular vocal assets many times live,specially in her last album. -Celine’s voice doesn’t even come close to Mariah’s .There is a lot of female voices that beat Celine’s and that are closest to Mariah’s. -All Celine stans can show Celine beat MC only in concerts and tours,in nothing else.You also do exactly the same. -Mariah Carey’s Merry Christmas is the best selling Christmas album of all times.It’s also the second best selling Christmas album in USA only behind Elvis Presley’s. -Celine’s These Are Special Times is far behind Mariah’s Merry Christmas on sales and popularity. -Mariah’s trademark is her unique and unreachable high notes ( that she sing ) and her whistles.Celine have no trademark,her nasality is a handicap,not a trademark.Even musical critics always blame her for it. -Every artists are praised for their respective techniques,not just Celine. Celine have no particular technique,so saying she’s praised for her technique is stupid. -Celine is the one who sing what other artists had already sing as every of her albums got around 3 cover songs the less,while most of Mariah’s albums have no cover versions.The few ones that does, just got just one cover,rarely 2.So she sells thanks to the past hits and songs of other artists. -Mariah sells more albums than Celine @ Lucky Luke Mariah’s voice have any problems .Celine’s voice have innumerable problems,not only nasality and dryness and sourness. -MC ‘s popularity is also shown by charts.Mariah even scored #1 hits in Latin America and Europe, this decade,while Celine reached barely the top 10 with ANDHC ( her best seller ).Celine fans are going crazy ,they are so frustrated cause all the got to defend Celine is her concerts and tours ,nothing else.Lucky Luke is going crazy ! He said goodbye to the blog at many occasions ( 4 or 5 times ) but in facts,he always stay in the debate ,spreading falsified links and lies here since August 2010.Sad ! TRISH says: April 28, 2011 at 8:32 amThis reply concern the post 1 to post 10.For the foolish lies posted in the post 12 to the post 16,I will reply to them later. The Reason says: April 28, 2011 at 11:10 pm@ LIAR TRISHYOUR IGNORANCE IS UNBELIEVABLE. REALLY READ WHAT I WRITE.– You attacked my posts first and you did again at”Madonna Vs Mariah”so you are the one trying to proveme wrong. Moreover you are the one that attacks mysources. I never had to do that because you brought 0sources. So once again, you are the one trying toprove myths.– You are out of control posting lies about vocal range.To be exact Celine’s studio vocal range is 3.3 octavesand live she has hit some higher notes till 3.5. Whitneyhas reached 3.3 in studio and live she hit 3.1. Theirrange is impressive and let’s not talk about Whitney.The case is you posting lies or ignoring the fact thatCeline has a 3.5 octave range. Moreover, if I was aparrot I would post here lies about Celine having 5octaves range. (Many sources claim so but itwrong.) Celine songs that reached the highest notes areDans un autre monde (live in TC) & C6 notes in Love CanMove Mountains , Beauty And The Beast (Live in Memphis)and so on.– Leona Lewis has less than 3 octaves. You are a bigignorant.And Beyonce’s lower is a B2.Celine’s is a Bb2.Do you even know what C6 , B2 , Bb2 is ?– NONE of Mariah’s other films were success. Tenesse ,Wisegirls , Bachelors all floped. Only Precious wassuccessful. FAIL I already brought the budget andgrossing of these films so I don’t know why you insist.– Forbes and LA Times actually saw Celine had more incomefrom album sales this decade. The 225m $ was about albumssold this decade.– I already posted the link to see Celine’s Canadiansales and I can explain them again and again. You can’tbring any source proving Mariah 25m Japanese salesbecause it is A LIE ! Mariah sold 18m albums in Japanand these sales were announced officially by Sony MusicJapan. Moreover all the certifications are on everyMariah site. On top of that I brought certifications.– Vocal runs needed in pop music ? Can you give me adefinition of vocal runs cause I bet you don’t know whatyou are talking about.Stop copy pasting my answers,thanx.– Aretha and Whitney have huge volume but why do youmention them ? Did I post that Celine has the STRONGESTVolume of all ? No, I didn’t.So you once again talkalone comparing Celine to everyone just to make a point.– You of course don’t know what belting is. You think itis screaming and sustaining long notes so you prove whatan ignorant you are. And all the pop singers youmentioned have used beltings. Even Madonna in ”Don’tcry for me Argentina. Even Madonna who is not a vocalist.– You never posted the truth here on sales. Only lies.– Yes Mariah sold 220m records and if I have to justbabble what is said by her label or sources in InternetI would say she sold 200m records.And No facts proveMariah sold more than Celine. And if there arefacts mention them. On the opposite internet , media ,newspapers claim Celine as the best seller of the past20 years. Don’t try to dispute internet,media andnewspapers on Celine. Just shows the ”everythingproves”.– ”I show how Mariah sold more records than Celine ( not by inflating sales from biased sources ) and if you don’t accept it I don’t care”LMAO ! You are a big joke. The fact that you copy pastmy answers all the time WILL NEVER BRING YOU TO MY LEVEL.You inflated ALL Mariah’s sales, you have 0 knowledge oncertifications , you CONTRADICT with her sites , awards ,Columbia records.You are a liar , nothing more nothing less.– On album sales and popularity NOTHING shows theopposite.– I don’t debate but your lies will always be exposed.:) Pretty simple.– LOL at you claiming Mariah sold 150m albums by 2000and as of the definition of Millennium Award,thanx I knowit very well.It was about what Mariah sold during the 90s since hercareer bagan in 1990. Too bad Mariah’s label put you inshame for claiming she sold over 150m by 2000.– I lied many times and posted biased links ? LOL !When did I lie exactly ? when you said Celine sold 140mby 2003 and then changed it to below 130m ? when yousaid Celine influenced nobody ? when you said Mariahsold 100m records more than Celine ? when you TOLD MEYOU TRUST MAGAZINES AND I BROUGHT MAGAZINES THAT SHOWEDTHE TRUTH AND THEN STOPPED REFERING TO MAGAZINES AGAIN !LOL ! When did I lie ? when you said Mariah sold 15m inUs ? When YOU said Mariah sold 15m DVDs in Us ?What makes a liar ? ? ? ? ?At least I support my arguments on sources, not my mind.NOW CLOSE YOU IGNORANT MOUTH AND READ YOUR UPCOMINGLIES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!– THE ONLY WEAPON YOU HAVE IS INFLATING Mariah’s albumsales and DELETING Celine’s which is pathetic and Icould do the same. Actually everyone can. And if youwanna call my links biased explain WHY they are biased.The fact that they disagree with you and your delusionaltheories don’t make them biased. It is simple.– Of course Internet features lies,this doesn’t meanthat EVERYTHING in the internet is a lie. So may I askyou ,where did you get the info on Nana’s sales ? ? ?*waits*I BET YOU WILL AVOID ANSWERING ! I AM SURE CAUSE I KNOWYOUR TACTICS.– At least you know sth about Mariah cause what youposted on her Emotions perfomace is 100 percent right.Still you should check Georgia Brown’s vocal range.– I said ”main” difference ! LOL ! I choose my wordscarefully. Of course ”main” means that there are otherdifferences and it is true that Mariah hits lower notes& hits higher notes way easier than Celine.– Billboard and MTV Awards award international artistsbut that doesn’t make them international,cause they areabout LOCAL achievements of artists of indeed differentcultures. These awards never awarded an achievent inJapan or Europe or Oceania so this is my point.– Celine recieved World Music CAREER Awards in 2004 ,2007 and one in 2008. Not to mention her local awards(Europe , Canada , Africa , S.America ) say pretty mucheverything.– ”Celine is even not half popular Mariah is in LatinAmerica.”LMAO ! Big LIE !Maybe you should check their respective certifications.If you don’t trust them you can take a look at SpecialAwards. Or mind looking reviews on every Mariah effortto sing a Spanish song.– Celine is more popular in Canada , Europe , Africa ,S.America and Oceania (same records but Celine has toursuccess).– Celine didn’t even put make up on during her magazinesphotos cause she was anxious about the babies. Sheavoided photos and exposure during her pregnancy. Fact.– ”Mariah sold over 50 million albums in Asia.You fail cause you can’t prove she sold less.”LMAO ! Is this your ability to debate ? Ha ha ha ha ha !Ok,Celine sold 1 billion copies worldwide and no matterwhat you say,you will always fail to despite it. :DAm I good debater now ? LMAOYou have to PROVE what you say, and you don’t prove ,you INFLATE. It is so fu**ing simple.Plus, you are not in position to judge I fail about herAsian sales since YOU ADMITED YOU DON’T KNOW ANYTHING ONTHEM. So your ASSUMPTIONS are not enough to prove I havefailed.– Watch the link I posted about Celine’s Canadian salesand tell me what mistakes are made. Plus open the CRIAcertification system. Maybe a Nieslen Soundscan searchwould be helpful.– Celine became known because of her voice. She is notattractive,not mainstream,doesn’t have flashy hot videos.People attend her concerts because of her voice andimproved stage skills. If they wanted to have fun andlaugh they would pay 20 dollars to attend the circus,not 150 dollars to see Celine. Plus,ALL her songs aredemanding & usually tear jerkers. So usually peoplecry or get emotional in Celine concerts. Buy some ofher dvds.– ”Celine made duets to boost the reputation of her voice.”Celine was considered a fenomeno back in Quebec thanks toher voice,to begin with. She was not the best sellerbut was really successful,even if you take intoaccount that she had to compete withadults.Anyway,this is not the point here.Just check somestuff please. Moreover she has won many awardsfor her SOLO perfomances and even more nominations. Ontop of that her harder songs are SOLO. Her biggest hits– English or not – are SOLOS (My Heart Will Go On,Because You Loved Me,Je Sais Pas,Pour Que Tu M’AimesEncore)– ”Not just Grammy determine the better voices.”Ha Ha Ha !You are a joke. You asked what vocal records Celine hasand I simply replied. LOL . And Celine’s Grammy awardswere about VOCAL PERFOMANCES, so what you posted aboutMadonna having more Grammy is totally IRRELEVANT. & Imentioned her record of perfomances in both Grammy andOscars cause you asked for singing/voice records. :)– ”Boyz II Men are vocalists ! In an article from Billboard Magazine in 1994,they were called vocalists.”That depens on the definition dear.Drumer —> plays drumsPianist —> plays pianoVocalist –> uses vocals. According to that even Rihannais a vocalist.I used the word to refer to really amazing singers,butanyway. I like BoyzIIMen so let’s get over that.& Bryan Adams is a vocalist,by all means.– ”since Celine can sing in 2 different languages.”OUCH ! She has sang in 6 languages dear.A fan should know that !!! &I NEVER SAID CELINE IS BETTER THAN MC CAUSE SHE SINGSIN 2 DIFFERENT LANGUAGES. That is so dumb and generic.Not my IQ level , trust me. It is just you thatinterpret what I say the wrong way.– What Rap Verses did Mariah think ? I am asking this asa fan not a debater, cause I really don’t know.– Halo is easy. Check the notes of the song please..! Onvocal runs,you are right. Beyonce is better.– ”Mariah has much more # 1,top 10 ,top 20 and top 30hits everywhere worldwide than Celine,even in thisdecade.”Exept for the charts you asked . LMAO !Plus,bring her singles chart peaks,if you can.(I can do that any minute)– Mariah tops FAN MADE polls. You support Mariah in allthe WRONG ways. You try to say she is better because shewas voted. I mean,come on TRISH ! Mariah was suprassedby FAILtina Aguilera,which was a BLASPHEMY ! Not tomention that these ranks fu**ed up Mrs Whitney Houstonwhich is freaking amazing ! Anything else you claimed onMC ”every artist” is just lie. I love how you write”every artist compare to MC” and ”everything provesMariah sold more” ! LOL !”Everything” is a silly word to use.And thanks for stealing my phrase ”is the bar they…”– Yes, Mariah still has a great voice. Nobody said theopposite. But I won’t bother ellaborating on that.– Mariah whispers soft verses. Her most whispered albumsare Charmbracelet and Memoirs. This is why I mentionedthem. Why would I cite a specific song ? You will comeback to say ”You lie. Mariah didn’t whisper. She did itamazingly”– Celine got awards because she did a great job. Don’tput your poison on everything she achieved. Still,yourbiased explanation doesn’t change the fact that Mariahwill never be awarded for a choreography.– TAKE NOTE TO THE ULTIMATE STUPIDITY :”Celine never won Grammy for Record Of the Year,nor Album Of The Year ,etc…as she’s nil on producing,composing and songwriting.Producers and songwriters won them.The only Grammy Celine really won are in the Best Vocal Performance category( in which she share one with Peabo Bryson ).Mariah got 5 Grammy Awards by her own!”Ha ha ha ha ha !DON’T EVEN DARE OF SAYING YOU ARE CELINE FAN AFTER THAT !LEARN , you ingnorant creature that Album of the year(Falling Into You-1997) is awarded to artists. Same goesfor Best Pop Vocal Album (Falling Into You-1997). Samefor record of the year (My Heart Will Go On-1999) !SONG of the year (1999) went to James Horner and WillJennings.Finally,Celine won Best Female Pop Vocal Perfomancefor My Heart Will Go On which is SOLO.– What are Mariah’s number 1s in Jamaica,Haiti,Fidji youlying creep ? I bet you can’t answer that. I will laughwhile I will be waiting for the answer and still I willnever get an answer.– No comment on the Xmas albums parody. Nobody beatsyou at inflating Mariah’s sales. You even said it soldover 18m copies. LMAO (Oh yes, go on and post that lieagain)– ”Dryness and sourness” ! LMAO ! Still attackingCeline with mean adjectives when you have 0 knowledge onmusic pedagogy. Ha Ha Ha ! You don’t even know her realflaws – because she has at least 2 big flaws ! Haha.Not only you FAIL in supporting MC, you also FAILin taking down Celine.– I said Goodbye to end this debate BUT you came backmany days after my final reply to post 6 huge postsfeaturing your lies. And as I said your lies, willalways be exposed.– What music critics blamed Celine for nasality ? ? ?MENTION THEM if you dare.3rd question you will be UNABLE to answer.– As you see in this comment, I didn’t really debate.I didn’t support Celine, I mainly corrected yourmistakes/lies. You LIED about Celine’s range , LIEDabout her Grammy Awards and posted crap on herachievements (I never did that with MC)and voice (handicap) don’t bother coming up with newtheories,really. I will wait answers on Nana / Mariah’snumber 1s in Fidji and Jamaica / Critics that pannedCeline’s nasality in specific.Of course I alredy laugh my ass out,cause you can’tanswer anything of these.Lies again…As you see ”foolish lies” is YOUR DEPARTMENT. Nobodytouches you in this. :))) The Reason says: April 29, 2011 at 1:09 amWhat pisses me off is the fake difference of 100m recordsyou claim. I can deal with people considering MCthe best seller – cause she achieved huge things ,butnot with BIG FAT LIARS that claim crazy numbers withZERO proof from certifications.01.I Noticed you only came up with the 300m recordstheory when you had to take down Madonna’s hugetotal sales. YOU NEVER claimed Mariah sold over 300mrecords before. You came up with that lie a few monthsago at ”Madonna Vs Mariah” debate.02.I also noticed you never managed to prove Mariah’s200m albums by market (cause they are fake) and youronly reply was NOT ACCEPTING Celine’s sales by musicmarket. This is not what a debater does.This what A WALL does.03.Despite how many times you call me ”idiot”, I knowyou think I am smart. Debating to an idiot person wouldmake you and idiot,and you are not. You are smart andpatient. You just never spent much time on Celine.And this is definitely proved by what you post on herawards,range,genres of songs,Grammy,records,evencertifications (I remember you denied Celine’s LTALalbum was Million seller in Brazil) or nicknames(the nose,handicap,ugly,chin,robot,comedian,clown)-> These are mean words.CONCLUSION —>Just leave this debate or stop posting lies. I don’tknow if you lie or just ignore things. I reallydon’t ! Anyway,If you stop that attitude you havebeen showing, I am done replying ,I promise. The Reason says: April 30, 2011 at 6:46 amPSOh yeah ! and don’t try to dispute Celine being acultural icon. This is not debatable at all. She hashuge success in non-francophone markets with manyFrench projects, (even live albums) ,she singsFrench songs during her worldwide tours (even in Asia,Africa,Oceania) since early 90s and on top of these shehas been awarded for what I claim in 2008 by the PrimeMinister of France. Even her lowest seller D’Ellescharted in Cyprus,German,Greek,Porugal,Sweeden which isnot typical or expected at all. No other francophoneartist ever did these to this extend and nobody willever will.As of Mariah, I repeat in case it hasn’t been clear.She influenced more artists (vocal impact) which ispretty much logical and has great musical influence(Fantasy remix). Celine has some vocal impact/influence(LESS than Mariah) and doesn’t have musical influence.And I repeat MC is also ahead in– Songwriting– Producing– Composing —–> M you s I c I a n s h I pas everyone knows because she focused on creating songsand music,thanx to her talents.Celine focused on extensive touring since 1984 and theresults are known.They are both great and amazing and people that can’tsee these are just haters and should stay pressed. TRISH says: April 30, 2011 at 7:47 am-@ Lucky Luke.Madonna has 4 octaves of vocal range ? Why not 5.2 octaves just like Mariah or more? This is so funny and so laughable.That’s prove how much your sources are reliables,everyone could judge the validity of your claims by this obvious lie.Of course,you surely got some links supporting this absurdity.What a shame ! -Madonna’s vocal range is 1 octave ( Soubrette ). Christina Aguilera is one among the rare artists that have 4 octaves of vocal range.That’t why she can whistle ; she’s also considered as one of the greatest voices of the musical industry ! -Let’s talk About Love sold 200 000 copies in Brazil,while Music Box sold over 750 000 copies there,outselling every Celine albums there ! -Whitney’s The Bodyguard is the only English language album reaching million status in Brazil. -Mariah’s Music Box sells over 750 000 in Brazil,more than any album from Celine Dion. -Mariah is much more popular in Brazil and in the rest of Latin America than Celine.The Voice has number 1 Hits in Brazil since her debut in 1990. The only one popular song Celine got in Brazil is My Heart Will Go On since 1998, for her entire career.Mimi already have 7 number 1 hits there ! She’s popular in Latin America not in links,but in facts. -Wide vocal range determine the quality and the capability of voice. -You said Celine has 3.5 octaves range and Madonna has 4 octaves of vocal range ? Anyway, both are light years behind Whitney’s and Mariah’s.Whitney Houston’s and Mariah Carey’s vocal range are proved by their respective songs,not by biased links unlike Celine’s and Madonna’s. -Celine is completely unknown in many Asian countries ! -Mariah is known in every European countries.She even surpass Celine in some of European countries ( Netherland).Moreover,Mariah has more impact on European artists than Celine as she has many European Artists that claimed her as her main influence ! Celine doesn’t have any European artist that really claim her as main influence.She just collaborate in duet with many of mainstream singers ( II Divo , Charice , Garou,etc..) just to boost her career that decrease considerablely nowadays.Any of them never said Celine influence them.Anyone doesn’t notice any Celine’s influence on the singing style of these artists as any of them doesn’t use nasal belts in their songs. – The Voice is more popular than Celine in whole African continent ! Celine just got some success in South Africa more than MC. -Cultural Impact : the influence of English language has increased outside the nation’s borders,thanx to Mariah’s influence and success in Asia ( also everywhere worldwide ) .Mariah’s cultural impact worldwide is shown through the international music that rule everywhere worldwide . Her cultural impact is actually shown -by the fact that Mariah is the ultimate non-Asian artist there,selling English –language releases per million all around Asian countries.She’s the main English-language artist that made Asian people interested in English language.She’s also the one that had spread R&B/Hip-hop culture in Asia ,Latin America,Africa and in Europe. -Celine never bring French music all around the world,as French music sells only in Francophone countries.Just 3 or 5 non Francophone European countries buy francophone music.They are far to represent the whole world. -Mariah is richer than Celine according to her multiple sources of incomes. About what Lucky Luke said to the well-nicknamed liar “ Lies, lies , lies”,I have to say that your ignorance and your fanatism are unreachable.You even said Madonna has a wider vocal range than Whitney Houston ! Everyone see obviously who among you and me is the craziest fanatic ! Mariah beat Celine on : -Vocal Range -Album sales -Singles sales – Influence -Legacy -Vocal skills and abilities -Worldwide popularity -Talent ( Writing , Composing, Producing). -Contribution on music. -Fortune -Worldwide cultural impactPS : Celine won only Best vocal performances on Grammy.The producers told her what to do and how to do everything so she doesn’t really deserve the others categories.She have them just because she sang the songs.-Grammy ,Oscars,etc,are not RECORDs ! The are awards ! What would record on that would be the artists having the most Grammy Awards and the most oscars ! You fail ! True vocal records refers to the abilities and the capabilities of a voice,not to regular accolades it receive,sorry . The Reason says: April 30, 2011 at 11:47 am@ TRISH– I think we posted our replies around the same time soI guess you didn’t read my latest comments (20/21).Anyway.LOOK octaves are not a grade ! It is not likewhen students are awarded for their hard work with highgrades. It has to do with high or low notes. And yesMadonna has almost 4 octaves vocal range.That doesn’t make her a good singer becauseit doesn’t matter how many notes someone can hit.The issue is HOW these notes are hit. (Placement,breathcontrol etc) And Madonna S U C K S.Mariah is not great just because of her range. She isAMAZING because of the WAY she hits all these notes fromALL the five octaves. So quit your bitching about thefacts I bring,cause I don’t lie and I am not fanatic.Ihave been searching A LOT on vocal issues the past 2months.Little kids can reach the whistle registerbecause of their thin screams,they are not good singers.Same goes for Madonna. I was shocked to find out she canreach some high notes. No comment on Christina.She strains notes from the 4th octave.PATHETIC.– Let’s Talk About Love is MILLON seller in Brazil.Celine has actually been awarded for her success inS.AmricaHere :celinedioncharts.com/reportsandawards.htmJust check her awards.Mariah sold less in Latin America. Quit posting liesPLEASE !Mariah is behind Celine inMexico,Argntina,Brazil which are the majorS.America markets.PLEASE CHECK SOME STUFF ON CELINE ! It is unbelievablethat you claim to be a fan and post that LTAL sold 200kin Brazil -.-‘– I NEVER brought any link to prove Whitney’s range. Youjust don’t have a clue about music. Unfortunately. It islike I am talking to a wall. Whitney has slightly lessrange than Celine. Celine goesfrom Bb2 (low) – E6 (high) . Whitney goes from A2 (low)– C6. These are notes by the way and the numbers afterthe letter show the octave. Meaning Celine’s lowestnote is from the 2nd octave and her highest at the 6thoctave. —> 3.5 range. Whitney has 3.3 in studio and3.1 live. They are pretty close. Whitney goes 1 notelower than Celine and Celine goes 3 notes higer.Higher doesn’t mean more powerful or better.PLEASE get that straight in your mind.– ”Celine is completely unknown in many Asian countries !”LMAO ! Celine has number 1 albums in continental Asia andher latest tour visited many of these countries and ofcourse sold out despite high prices. She is just not aspopular as Mariah.I don’t know how many lies are left for you to create,really xD NEXT ->– Mariah suprassed Celine in Netherlands ? LMAOHuge LIE !– As of influence in Europe,no comment cause I said itall above.– ”Celine doesn’t have any European artist that really claim her as main influence.She just collaborate in duet with many of mainstream singers ( II Divo , Charice , Garou,etc..) just to boost her career that decrease considerablely nowadays.Any of them never said Celine influence them.Anyone doesn’t notice any Celine’s influence on the singing style of these artists as any of them doesn’t use nasal belts in their songs.”Is there any POISON left ? I am wondering…First,the artists that were influenced by Celine arementioned. If you can’t swallow this,it is ok.Second,the artists you mentioned are notEuropean. Third, Celine actually HELPED all theseartists boost THEIR careers when they were UKNOWN. Theduet with Garou (2001) occured at the height of hercareer, Charice was uknown and they never had astudio duet & Celine was on a sold out tour already ,IIDivo also covered Celine’s songs such as ”Pour que tum’aimes encore” so if you think that Celine needed IlDivo in 2005 to establish herself in Francophonemarkets you are misled. She was the best sellingfrancophone artist since mid 90s and was awarded forthat achievement.– ”The Voice is more popular than Celine in whole African continent ! Celine just got some success in South Africa more than MC.”Ok TRISH, you are out of control. Even Mariah’s bestsellers didn’t reach top 5 there this decade. I happento know Mariah’s sales in Africa and you lie big time.Celine started her Taking Chances tour in February 2008in Africa and it was announced she is the best sellingartist there. African press confirmed it. You couldjust check the press conference. And I don’t even mentionher sold out tours there.Even Taking Chances that washer worst seller this decade reached number 1 atS.Africa and went 2xP.A New Day Has Come also debuted atNumber 1. Africa is not even debatable. Don’t try toseperate S.Africa from N.Africa cause you will only makeme laugh. There is not specific music chart in N.Africa.You are already exposed for claiming Mariahhas number 1s in Jamaica and Fidji Islands WHEN THERE ISNOT MUSIC CHART IN THESE PLACES !– On the DELIRIUM of Cultural Impact, I think you have apersonal problem with me. What you wrote about Mariah’scultural influence cannot be explained by anyother way.You just hate me ! LOL ! English is theuniversal language. No artist will ever be credited forthat. People in Asia learn English from young age, aseveryone other race/ethicity does, so Englishare not uknown to them.– ”Celine never bring French music all around the world,as French music sells only in Francophone countries.Just 3 or 5 non Francophone European countries buy francophone music.They are far to represent the whole world.”Celine’s albums chart in Portugal,Spain,S.Africa,Italy,Germany,Greece,Cyprus,Japan,Uk,Netherlands,Sweden (ALL Europe)Agglophone Canada,Africa,Japan…evenHong Kong.I can bring you peak positions ANY TIME.Moreover everything you claim is insignificant becauseCeline has been awarded. Read comment 21..!And WATCH her movie : ”Celine:Through the eyes of theworld” ! You’ll understand why I am saying this ;-)– Mariah is not richer than Celine. Deal with it. Youmade up FAKE sources such as income from her acting.FAIL .You also deleted Celine’s sources to albums and touring.FAILYou even tried to take down her parfumes when you saidthey were never awarded.Another FAIL. (850.000.000 $)New Info —> Celine gets 500k a night fo her new VegasShow. she did 20 sold out shows and over 80.000 peoplepaid high priced tickets —> 20 shows grossed14.000.000 $ :)– ”Celine won only Best vocal performances on Grammy.The producers told her what to do and how to do everything so she doesn’t really deserve the others categories.”Oh ! That is sweet FINALLYUnfortunately it is impossible to talk with you afterthese. You know nothing about Celine, about salesand nothing on music pedagogy. Only an ignorant wouldthink that vocal range means better singer.This is the way you thought.Vocal range = better abilityL.Luke said Madonna has more range than Whitney—> RESULT —> He means Madonna is better —> he isfanatic ! And like I said you couldn’t mention where youget your info on Nana , you couldn’t mention Mariah’snumber 1s in Fidgi Islands ,Jamaica ,Heiti and couldn’tmention critics that panned Celine’s nasality, becauseall these are things you create. :)And of course you will never be able to prove Mariah’ssupremency in Africa and L.America. All you can do isrepeating the same lies over and over and over and overagain. You are also really MANIPULATIVE. YOU saidCeline’s french records are promoted and sold throughEurope when you wanted to say that they are FLOPS.And NOW you implied that her french records are promotedONLY in 2-3 francophone markets.C O N T R A D I C T I O N again. & Lack of knowledge.Stop acting like that and we are hopefully done,I promise :))) The Reason says: April 30, 2011 at 7:10 pm”Celine won only Best vocal performances on Grammy.The producers told her what to do and how to do everything so she doesn’t really deserve the others categories.”Oh ! That is sweet <3 All Celine fans think just likethat ! :D Well she deserved all her Grammy awards andeven more as she is a good singer.- ''Grammy ,Oscars,etc,are not RECORDs ! The are awards ! What would record on that would be the artists having the most Grammy Awards and the most oscars ! You fail !''Maybe you shoudl define the word ''record'' or searchit up on your dictionary. You mentioned awards andrecord and I replied. And actually Celine has a personalrecord as she is the artist that was asked to performmore times than any other artist at Grammy awards (6times) and Oscars (6 times).On top of that I mentionedthe Grammy awards for VOCAL Perfomances and awards andas everyone knows Celine won awards and nominations forboth her solo perfomances & her duets. Celine gotawasrds for her talent back in the 80s. Too bad youdon't have a clue. END OF STORY.And I didn't mention them to prove she is better thanMC, I mentioned them because you asked for it. Simple.-------- Now your lies on certifications/sales ----------NETHERLANDScelinedioncharts.com/bycountry.htm#denmarkmariahjournal.com/infozone/charts/albums/netherlands/index.shtmlCeline sold 2.9m albums and MC 1.5m albums.Mariah recieved 13 Platinum certifications and 1 Gold.Celine recieved 17 Platinum certifications and 4 Goldand has many more releases there.Mariah has 4 number 1salbums there and 6 others to reach top 10. Celine has 6number 1 albums there and 7 others to reach top 10.Saying Mariah sold more shows who the fanatic is.BRAZILMariah's first certified album is Music Box that wentGold. (125k) Gold also are Number 1s and TEOM andE=MC2 and Memoirs. Rainbow and GH are Platinum.Here :mariahjournal.com/infozone/charts/albums/brazil/index.shtmlI really don't know why you post these things on bigmusic makets,saying MC is big in Brazil. She sold lessthan 1m copies there. (750k+)As of Celine,everything is clear but I don't mindproving you Celine's sales since you call her salesawards irrelevant. You even deny and reduce hercertifications which is sad.Stop copy pasting answers cause it silly and provesyour inablity to construct logic thought and articulate.Stop posting lies cause I am a bigger Mariah fan thanyou and know E V E R Y T H I N G on her. You still thinkI am a hater and that's all your weakness, because youpost things/lies a hater would ignore. It would be easyto manipulate a hater but it is IMPOSSIBLE to manipulatea FAN. You have problems realizing that, but what thehell ! Someday, you'll see your lies on MC have noeffect on me. I am sure you will. :) The Reason says: April 30, 2011 at 8:50 pm* Typing mistake -> 750k come from MC certifications inBrazil. Her actual sales stand at 1.2m there.mariahjournal.com/infozone/charts/albums/brazil/index.shtmlThis market is pretty much exact.The certification system there goes like that :Before 2001: * Gold = 100,000 shipped to retailers * Platinum = 250,000 shipped to retailersSince 2001: * Gold = 50,000 shipped to retailers * Platinum = 125,000 shipped to retailersSince 2006: * Gold = 30,000 shipped to retailers * Platinum = 60,000 shipped to retailers The Reason says: May 2, 2011 at 7:52 am”.She’s also the one that had spread R&B/Hip-hop culture in Asia ,Latin America,Africa and in Europe.”There is no such thing as ”Rnb culture”. Try rnb GENRE.I cannot spend time in this debate trying to educate you.It is sad that a 19 year olds girl posts so many dumb,irrational things that show lack of knowledge andinability to participate in an intellectual discussion.If Mariah or any other artist made a music genre popularin places around the globe, this is called ”musicalimpact” ,not cultural impact. And Mariah’s musicalimpact is known and cited 100 times in thisfu**ing debate(1995 Fantasy remix blah blah blah).The fact whether Mrs Celine Dion is regarded as acultural icon is not debatable,since countless awards,charts facts,peak positions,songs and touring give everyanswer needed.Awards :1) Medal of Arts and LettersFrom France’s Minister of Culture Recognizing Céline Dion’s Status as the Best Selling French-language Artist in History2) The Order of Canada 1997Appointed Officer of the Order of Canada for Outstanding Contribution to the World of Contemporary Music3) National Order of Quebec Appointed Officer of the National Order of Quebec for Outstanding Contribution4) Honorary degree 2008 Honorary Doctorate in Music from the Université Laval in recognition of her extraordinary francophone career.5) Légion d’honneur by Prime Minister of France 2008india-server.com/news/celine-dion-receives-the-legion-of-1337.htmlB) ChartsAlbum D’eux : Charted in Following NON-Francophonemarkets : UK (#7) , Japan (#50) , Sweeden (#9) ,Portugal (#2) , Eurochart (#3) , Germany , (#69)Denmark (#5) , New Zealand (#17). Even her lowest seller”D’Elles” charted in non-francophone markets despitethe fact it was only promoted by two Tv Specials : onein France and on in Quebec.Singles : French Singles To Chart At European Hot 100.Top 10 HitsPour Que Tu M’Aimes Encore,Je Sais Pas,Tous LesSecrets,Tout L’or Des Hommes,S’il N’en RestaitQu’une,Sous Le Vent and many other top 20 hits.C) TOURS : Celine sang many French songs during herworldwide tours. (Pour que tu m’aimes encore,J’iraiOu Tu Iras,Je T’aime Encore,Le Ballet,Ce n’etait qu’unreve,S’il suffisait D’aimer). While visitingcities/countries/places worldwide such as :Johannesurg, Pretoria, Durban, Cape Town ,PortElizabeth ,Dubai ,Tokyo ,Osaka ,Seoul ,Brisbane ,Melbourne, Sydney ,China ,Japan ,Shanghai ,Korea ,United States ,Continental Europe ,Agglophone Canada.D) Records in NON-francophone marketsYamaha Music Festival Awards Best Song “Tellement j’ai d’amour pour toi”Yamaha Symphony Orchestra Awards Best ArtistAwarded in Japan for a francophone record in age 14.Eurovision Song Contest Grand Prix – “Ne partez pas sans moi”.All these are esablished facts. Not theories. When Iuse the word ”Facts”, I mean ”Facts”. It issilly using vocabulary you can’t comprehend or define(culture,nation,border) and even worse when thisCHEAP vocabulary use is the result of the childishprocess of copy pasting my answers. The Reason says: May 2, 2011 at 8:43 amCeline’s career is not in a decline.She sold 6m albums the past 5 years,grossed 280m dollars,sold 3m DVDs and has the biggest contract for a liveentertainement show once again. She grossed 14 millionsfrom 20 shows. Over 80.000 people attended her show.She is about to release new French album in late 2011,collaborating with Luc Plamondon and this project isexpected to be a smash,like usual.If all these seem like a decline to you ,go to a doctorimmediately. stop this haha says: May 2, 2011 at 11:41 pmOk. These two singers are one of the best! They both have had AMAZING careers and have established themselves in the music industry but both have things the other don’t. Mariah Carey can hit higher notes than Celine but she can’t hold them. Celine Dion hits lower notes live but she can hold them forever. Personally I rather hear a LONG lower not than a short 4 second high note. In my opinion Celine Dion wins because of her success in making her songs popular all over the world especially her French songs because not of us don’t understand them but we still learn the lyrics ;D also even if she hasn’t sold the most records in a while but her talent and real emotions connect her to the fans more then say Whitney Houston or Mariah Carey can. But both are wonderful! If the actual singers don’t care who’s best why should the fans? Just enjoy the music! TRISH says: May 4, 2011 at 2:10 pm-@ Lucky Luke.Madonna has 4 octaves of vocal range ? Why not 5.2 octaves just like Mariah or more? This is so funny and so laughable.That’s prove how much your sources are reliables,everyone could judge the validity of your claims by this obvious lie.Of course,you surely got some links supporting this absurdity.What a shame ! -Madonna’s vocal range is 1 octave ( Soubrette ). Christina Aguilera is one among the rare artists that have 4 octaves of vocal range.That’t why she can whistle ; she’s also considered as one of the greatest voices of the musical industry ! -Let’s talk About Love sold 200 000 copies in Brazil,while Music Box sold over 750 000 copies there,outselling every Celine albums there ! -Whitney’s The Bodyguard is the only English language album reaching million status in Brazil. -Mariah’s Music Box sells over 750 000 in Brazil,more than any album from Celine Dion. -Mariah is much more popular in Brazil and in the rest of Latin America than Celine.The Voice has number 1 Hits in Brazil since her debut in 1990. The only one popular song Celine got in Brazil is My Heart Will Go On since 1998, for her entire career.Mimi already have 7 number 1 hits there ! She’s popular in Latin America not in links,but in facts. -Wide vocal range determine the quality and the capability of voice. -You said Celine has 3.5 octaves range and Madonna has 4 octaves of vocal range ? Anyway, both are light years behind Whitney’s and Mariah’s.Whitney Houston’s and Mariah Carey’s vocal range are proved by their respective songs,not by biased links unlike Celine’s and Madonna’s. -Celine is completely unknown in many Asian countries ! -Mariah is known in every European countries.She even surpass Celine in some of European countries ( Netherland).Moreover,Mariah has more impact on European artists than Celine as she has many European Artists that claimed her as her main influence ! Celine doesn’t have any European artist that really claim her as main influence.She just collaborate in duet with many of mainstream singers ( II Divo , Charice , Garou,etc..) just to boost her career that decrease considerablely nowadays.Any of them never said Celine influence them.Anyone doesn’t notice any Celine’s influence on the singing style of these artists as any of them doesn’t use nasal belts in their songs. – The Voice is more popular than Celine in whole African continent ! Celine just got some success in South Africa more than MC. -Cultural Impact : the influence of English language has increased outside the nation’s borders,thanx to Mariah’s influence and success in Asia ( also everywhere worldwide ) .Mariah’s cultural impact worldwide is shown through the international music that rule everywhere worldwide . Her cultural impact is actually shown -by the fact that Mariah is the ultimate non-Asian artist there,selling English –language releases per million all around Asian countries.She’s the main English-language artist that made Asian people interested in English language.She’s also the one that had spread R&B/Hip-hop culture in Asia ,Latin America,Africa and in Europe. -Celine never bring French music all around the world,as French music sells only in Francophone countries.Just 3 or 5 non Francophone European countries buy francophone music.They are far to represent the whole world. -Mariah is richer than Celine according to her multiple sources of incomes. About what Lucky Luke said to the well-nicknamed liar “ Lies, lies , lies”,I have to say that your ignorance and your fanatism are unreachable.You even said Madonna has a wider vocal range than Whitney Houston ! Everyone see obviously who among you and me is the craziest fanatic ! Mariah beat Celine on : -Vocal Range -Album sales -Singles sales – Influence -Legacy -Vocal skills and abilities -Worldwide popularity -Talent ( Writing , Composing, Producing). -Contribution on music. -Fortune -Worldwide cultural impactSorry,My posts are not up to date to yours.So I’ll reply to the last ones later. tane says: May 4, 2011 at 7:28 pm@trish…you are so right at what you claim! the range of Madonna is no where near 4 octaves!..if she was near 4 octaves she would be able to hit an A2 high note which she cant!and yes Mariah has way more influence than Celine Dion internationally and nationally being that again she has influenced beyonce, Christina aguilaer brittany spears etc…and Mariah even influences artist older then herself(shaka khan, patti labelle etc…)and its hard to deteremnine whos a bigger seller, where trish is right again…mariah has sold over 50 million albums in asia whereas Celine bearly reaches 20 million! and selling over 64 million albums in US where Celine just reaches around 54 million!@mandy you are right about some of those sales where but some of them are a bit exxagerated….but you prove whos a beter in you statements!trish you claim everything so effortlessly! Lies Lies Lies says: May 4, 2011 at 9:15 pm@TRISH What I meant, was that Mariah has to do what the singers of today are doing, which is to use her body to sell music. Of course Celine covers many songs. We all know that. But that has nothing to do with what I was talking about. Mariah-Best selling Female Artist Celine-Biggest Selling Female Artist of All Time BIG difference. Celine Has sold more records than any other female artist in the world.(Don’t tell me anything about Madonna, ’cause it’s not true and I don’t give a bull) Mariah sells records faster that Celine, but not neccessarily more than Celine. Seriously, not even one Mariah fanatic will believe your posts because it’s so far from reality. Just give it up and I promise I won’t post any more :) Have a nice day! tane says: May 4, 2011 at 9:52 pm@stop this haha and you say Mariah Carey can only sustain a 4 second high note? Mariah Carey sustained a 18 second high note and has sustained a 20 second belting note in the song lead the way! so if youd prefer to hear Celine Dion sustain low notes then Mariah sustaining 20 second long belting notes your idiocy is created by you!mariah is the queen of music no doubt! The Reason says: May 4, 2011 at 11:05 pmI think someone copy pasted TRISH answers so I don’treply to these cause I already did. I can’t repeat samestuff because someone decided to ”copy paste”. LOLJust hilarious and ridiculous xD@ taneOpen a music theory book. Madonna has almost the rangeI claimed. More range doesn’t mean better singer. Thebetter singer is determined by vocal placement , breathcontrol , rhythm , musicianship and so on. Madonna is aBAD singer no matter the little thin high notes she canreach.Second, we already said Mariah has more vocal influenceand more musical influence. (Celine doesn’t have musicalinfluence)It is a fact. So we move on.Thrid, you said Mariah sold 40m in Asia and now youposted 50m. Something is wrong with you. YOU Brought thelink showing 35m sales in Asia for Mariah and we agreedthat it PROBABLY reaches the 40m mark by now.Finally, Mariah only sustains notes in THE STUDIO. Notlive. The only exception would be Vanishing in 1990. Shenever held the long note LIVE in Without you or Foreveror Lead the way. Still these ”flaws” don’t make her abad singer or sth. She is still amazing.Take my advice and think twice before you agree to thecomplete crappy non sense Trish posts. She is a haterwith 0 knowledge on music and sales and on Celine inspecific.ALL IN ALLQuit posting lies people. Enough is enough. You have noclue in music/vocal issues and you change the sales”facts” all the time. Posting lies about Mariahdoesn’t make her any better. She is already AMAZING withher REAL accomplishments.It is a big shame to contradict with certifications,awards and sources,but IT IS AN EVEN BIGGER SHAMEAND EMBARASSEMENT TO CONTRADICT WITH YOURSELVES. #C Ya# The Reason says: May 5, 2011 at 1:46 am@ tanePlease watch this.youtube.com/watch?v=16nGam3AgNsMadonna can ”sing” the A5 note and every note up toA6 -.-‘Therefore you can use your ears objectively to see thatthis sound is annoying and bad ! She is a bad singer,having range means nothing unless you know how to use it.Hear Madonna hiting A5. It is awful. The Reason says: May 5, 2011 at 6:42 am– This debate is to determine who singer has a moresuccessful career. It is not a vocal debate.Even if we prove the one has a ”better voice” we stilldon’t prove anything on success, which is the realmatter here.– Most successful career is determined by a combinationof sales (albums,singles,tickets,dvd) , popularity ,income , legacy , impact.Fighting over skills is pretty much irrelevant to thetopic AND NONE OF US HAS ENOUGH MUSIC KNOWLEDGE.EVEN IF proving the best vocalist is somehow relevant,talking about Madonna,Whitney,Beyonce,Aretha,Christinaetc IS DEFINITELY IRRELEVANT.—> Conclusion —>– Stop fighting over nothing.– Bring sales facts to prove statements.* sales facts = awards or certifications or announcementsor links or bio/label info and so on.NOT Estimations.Finally, stop contradicting with sourcesand yourselves cause it is pathetic. BUTTERFLY says: May 5, 2011 at 3:03 pmI post under this nickname cause the administrator doesn’t publish my posts under Trish nickname. @ SILLY LUCKY LUKE You attacked me first cause I was in both blogs ( Mariah Vs Celine and Top Selling Female Artist Madonna or Mariah) long time before you ! You integrated the Madonna Vs Mariah just to got the support of Madonna’s fans against lambs.I always discovered your intentions & tactics .You support Madonna’s fans to have their support for Celine against MC,coward ! Now,you admit yourself that you are not a Madonna fan.You manipulated Moff since the debut just for helping you ! Now,everybody notice how much you implore Lies Lies Lies to back up your lies ! “ Thank you,thank you,thank you”. – “Please STAY HERE, etc….”.” Are we you tube friends or sth ? :D Send me a message there please. Thanx. :)”.He behaves like a so much desperate and hopeless person !This is so pitiful !Lucky Luke said goodbye so many times,but in facts, he still there .Really,this blog is driving him crazy ! Hahaha ! Lucky Luke say : “- I said Goodbye to end this debate BUT you came back many days after my final reply to post 6 huge posts featuring your lies. And as I said your lies, will always be exposed. “ This claim really proves how much the debate made you crazy ! “I said goodbye to END this debate “ ??? So,your own departure would mean the end of the debate ? Who are you ?Are you the administrator of this blog ? Did I integrated popdirt debates in your company ? You’re even not the one that started the debate .You started to posts many days after me ! Dear,I post my posts whenever I want ,this have nothing to do with you ! You keep yourself in the debate,not me,fool ! You complain constantly that you’re done debating ,nevertheless you’re still here giving as an excuse my presence in the blog !!! OK,stay in the blogs,however you’ll can’t accuse me as the one that had drive you crazy.But anyway,I don’t care about what you think.These can’t change the fact that Mimi sold way more records than Celine !Lucky Luke said: “ Beyonce’s lower note is a B2.Celine’s is a Bb2. Do you even know what C6 , B2 , Bb2 is ? “ Really ? So ,Celine had already hit lower note than Beyonce’s at the end of Bills bills bills ? Sorry,her songs proves the opposite .Do you think that I don’t know what is it ? That’s why you put it here to confuse readers? Let me tell you that Celine NEVER, EVER hit a Bb2 note. I dare you to precise a Celine’s song in which she hit a deep note that Beyonce couldn’t ! ( Don’t lie by giving French songs or live songs that readers couldn’t verify on Youtube).LIAR ! Even Britney Spears beat Celine on deep notes ! Baby One More Times,I’m Not A Girl,I’m A Slave 4 U, You Drive Me Crazy,etc… Unlike you,I gave songs that everyone can verify.Hiding under techniques terminologies as “ B2,Bb2”,etc…is just a way to elude the ones that ignore technical language ,so that they couldn’t really judge by themselves the validity of your claim ! These ruses can’t make it with me,sorry.I’m too smart for that. Lucky Luke said : “if I was a parrot I would post here lies about Celine having 5 octaves range. (Many sources claim so but it wrong.)” Anyway,who would swallow this crazy absurdity ? Just because it’s supported by a biased link,people would swallow it ? This is Celine’s songs that would prove she has 5 octaves ,not sources.Mariah’s wide vocal range is proved by her songs,not by sources .Otherwise,haters would always deny it ( some of them even try to deny the number of octaves she have,inspite of so many proves that back up MC’s exceptional vocal range ).As I never stopped to say,Sources lies ! They lie about sales,achievements,talents,etc…even about vocal range that is verifiable ! Celine has 2,7 octaves the very most. Celine never reach highest notes than Whitney in any song . The songs you cite ( Dans un autre monde live in TC & C6 notes in Love Can Move Mountains , Beauty And The Beast (Live in Memphis),etc… )Lucky Luke LIE !!!!!!!!!! I already listen to these performances,the high notes Celine reach in those performances are much lower than Whitney’s ! Whitney highest vocal notes surpass these Celine’s notes in many of her songs,specially How will I Know,So Emotional and I’m Every Woman .For the lowest notes,Whitney also beat Celine,sorry.Whitney’ highest note surpass Celine’s . -If you call Madonna’s weak vocal raise in Don’t cry For Me Argentina belt,which artist had never belt ? So every artists belts :Rihanna,Britney,Mary J,Pink.Katy Perry,Alicia Keys,etc… so you see that what you said about R&B singers and belts is just stupid. -Boyz 2 Men are vocalists in all means, whether you like them or not -Not all my claims are addressed to you,but only the ones that reply.to your lies.I post my posts independently of you. – “ I NEVER SAID CELINE IS BETTER THAN MC CAUSE SHE SINGS IN 2 DIFFERENT LANGUAGES. “ .You’re right, cause your IQ is lower than that. Moreover,Celine may sing in 6 different languages ,but she masters only 2 languages,not 6 ones.french and English are the languages she masters.MC had sing 1 song in Spanish language,and another one in Japanese.That’s doesn’t mean she “ regularly” sing in 3 different languages.Mariah had made Rap verses in Prisoner .By 1997 she said in an interview with RFI ( Radio France International ) that from her debut she had other songs she created in which she Rapped,but that her label didn’t allowed her to release them. About vocal records,the ones you cited for Celine are records relative to the number of performances at Grammy and Oscars,not vocal records !Performances records are not vocal records . -I don’t have to check the notes of Halo as I heard them on the song.I can say easily that Celine could never hit the lowest note hitted in this song cause I never heard Celine hit such low notes in any of her songs,no matter how this note is called technically.-Mariah has more income from her total albums sold than Celine ! -You have to explain nothing since the link you posted about Celine’s Canadian sales lie itself ! -Mariah sold 25 million albums in Japan and over 50 million albums for the whole Asian continent ! -No facts prove Celine sold more records than The Voice ! Celine is far behind Mimi on albums and Singles sales worldwide ! Lucky Luke said to me :” The fact that you copy past my answers all the time WILL NEVER BRING YOU TO MY LEVEL.” In what “LEVEL” do you talk about ? A level to use tricks,lies,biased sources and links to post in blogs? A level to implore other debater to helping you by lies and partialities ? A level to got the nerve for claim that Madonna surpass Whitney Houston on vocal range according to links ? You are right,I will never drop out in your level. I never use lies in my comments,neither tricks to got allies,neither implore whoever to helping me to prove anything.As all my arguments lies on real facts ! Mariah’s Millennium Award is relevant for the whole last millennium,not just for the 1990 decade.Mariah Carey achieve in just 10 years what any female artist never did while the last 1000 years ! Your delusional links and sources can biased facts,but they can’t change them ! Mariah has more international Awards than Celine.She has The Chopard Diamond Award. The Legend award and more World Music Awards. Plus,Mariah has the Millennium Award over Celine ! Mariah won on international Awards ! Celine’s Awards came after Mariah’s,because Celine reached Mariah’s level of success by late.It’s simple ! I repeat that Celine is even not half popular Mariah is in Latin America ! You mention Awards for Celine’s popularity there? Since when Awards determin the popularity of artists for some continents and countries ? Mariah is popular there because they love her unreachable voice and her unique songs.She doesn’t have the need to try impress Latin American people by Spanish song,since she impose her very well in English song there ! Sorry,but Latin America belongs to Mimi.Celine doesn’t even close. Celine didn’t Magazine cover cause she’s not popular enough to boost Magazine sales with her image ! So,Magazine institutions didn’t interested by her.Do you see how many web page and blogs that talk about Mariah’s pregnancy ? Mariah’s pregnancy is much more mediatized even in Europe than Celine’s ! Nowadays,Celine and Madonna are relevant only for concerts ! Mariah won the FUSE poll over all other female artists ! Nobody can’t deny that Mariah’s worldwide popularity increase more and more since the release of Merry Christmas II You that confirm Mimi’s voice still the better voice ever ! Nowadays, Mariah is the most popular female artist on the planet ! THE VOICE IS BACK ! At her debut in Quebec,Celine was impressive just to local wannabe artists.I don’t deny that Celine got some acceptable solo songs.But that doesn’t mean that she didn’t use the popularity of reputed and famous vocalists I cited to back up and boosted her own career.She won her first Grammy Award thanks to her duet with Peabo Bryson. Boyz II Men are vocalists in all means ! Bryan Adams isn’t a vocalist.He’s far from it ! About Mariah’s Rap verses,just listen to Prisoner.Mariah said in an interview to RFI (Radio France International) in 1997,that she had many rap songs in her debut.But,they were all deleted because Tommy Mottola had prevent her to put these kind of songs in her albums.Since this time,she never continue to do it. About Halo,I refer to deep notes and vocal runs,not to high notes ! I know that Celine can hit higher and louder notes than Beyonce,I never deny it ! I said Mariah has more number 1 Hits, Top 10 Hits, Top 40 Hits than Celine everywhere worldwide even for this decade.If you can prove the opposite,I await your answer ! I don’t try to show Mariah is better “ because she was voted”,I proved that Mariah is better by her assets and achievements that I am never tired to repost ! Then I show Mimi is much more popular worldwide than Celine according to: – The FUSE Poll that she won over every other female artists ! – The huge mediatization that Mimi has since The release of her second Christmas album by November 2010 till Now ! – The Impact of her Anniversary day in every continents ! – Her Baby Shower that had celebrate by many personalities and fans from more than 50 different countries ! – The impressive amount of blogs and Forums that talk about Mariah’s pregnancy,achievements on Music,Skills,Records,etc… – All these are what is called FACTS ! I didn’t give any link nor source ,but I prove very well how much Mimi is the most popular artist in the whole world ! – Maybe a few years later,there will be many links that will deny all these facts by saying Celine or Madonna was the most popular artists in 2011 because they made successful concerts and receive awards.Then increase their sales ! – You are the one that try to say Celine is better just because of her concerts ! She doesn’t in facts,neither Madonna ! Mariah is much more popular than them nowadays even in Europe ! Gambit says: May 5, 2011 at 8:14 pmTrish is right ! Lucky Luke dare say that Madonna has a wider vocal range than Whitney.It’s a LIE ! About long notes on stage,Mariah beat Celine by far.Just listen to Whenever You Call live at Australia (1998 solo version), Whenever You Call at New York with Brian McNight ! Listen on Emotions at MTV Awards (1991), Forever,Without You live at Madison Square Garden (1995),Mariah did what Celine never did since her debut till now.This is a waste a time trying to claim Celine hold longer notes live than Mariah.No one can beat Mariah in anything about vocal technique,skills,potential,breath,etc… Mariah beats. Everything Trish said about Mariah’s popularity it’s true ! She’s really the most popular female artist on earth.Trish is also right when she said that Mariah got way more assets than Celine.It’s obvious. About sales,Madonna surpass Mariah slightly.but Mariah has sold more than Celine. The Reason says: May 6, 2011 at 3:48 amLOL ! The administrator should ban you actually.You are delusional because I first came here undernickname Lucky Luke, posted an answer and THEN got areply from you. At the other debate we started fightingwhen you came out of nowhere 1 month after we hadstopped fighting here. So I didn’t ever write a ”@TRISH” comment before you wrote a ”@ Lucky Luke”comment. I support the truth. And the truth is thatMariah is more talented than Madonna, yetsold less. Moreover stop complaing about the fact thatI talk to other people since you do the same about lambs”You are right in everything you claim” etc. The pointof the debate is not mine or your popularity so thatshouldn’t bother you at all. Moreover my points areclear and never changed by what others say.After thesethanx for spending 2 paragraphs to diss me with yourghetto English.You are still delusional,you are still uneducated , you are still a patheticexcuse for a fan , you are still ignorant. And yes thebig lies you post will be ALWAYS EXPOSED. Take it. Irepeat it. YOU THOUGHT YOU WOULD RULE THIS DEBATE BYPOSTING LIES UNDER DIFFERENT NICKNAMES AND NOW YOU AREPISSED AND PRESSED I FIGURED OUT YOUR BULLSH** METHODS.Mariah sold more than Celine in your daydreams. Inawards, media ,labels ,CERTIFICATIONS Celine is and willbe ahead. You are not in position to talk about notes,since you have 0 knowledge. BITCH YOU PRETEND TO HAVEMADE OBJECTIVE RESULTS WHEN YOU HAVE 0 KNOWLEDGE INMUSIC. CELINE’S RANGE IS PROVED BY HER SONGS and Ishowed you the songs. Now go learn about music, play thepiano and see what Celine does, as I never posted a linkin favour of Celine’s range. Higher notes ,don’tmean stronger notes. She used head voice during the endof these songs. She was at the 6th octave when shehugged Terry Bradoford at the end of the ”Beauty andthe beast” duet and did ” Beauty and the BE EAAAAAST” with a soft voice. The fact that you don’tknow about notes and music doesn’t make ME manipulative.The lower Bb2 note Celine hit is the introduction of”New Dawn”. On live perfomances her lowest is a B2 in”Have you ever been in love” live perfomances of 2003.Surprisingly you were right on Beyonce’s range. It isBb2-F6 which means she actually goes one note higherthan Celine. You said the opposite but no big deal. Asof high notes Celine reaches C6 and you can see it atthe ”Let’s Talk About Love” recording sessions whenshe warms up her voice, or at the end of ”Call TheMan” . Here is the video.youtube.com/watch?v=vyPDSpL8M2kAs of belting ability every artist has belts. Thatproves nothing. Like you said many of them are weak sothey shouldn’t be pointed out as singing.On Whitney : youtube.com/watch?v=Aca37wT1b2sThese are the notes she hit.Finally, if Celine doesn’t have vocal records neitherdoes Mariah. The fact that YOU consider online pollsreliable enough shows your intelligence level and yourtendency to manipulate facts. Moreover, I don’t evenknow why we talk about vocals since this is a debateabout success. (Sales,Legacy,Impact,Popularity). Nomatter whether Celine is better or worse, the onlyrelevant to this debate point that can be made about”vocal issues” is that MC has a bigger vocal influence,which is stated long ago here. So I think it is time tostop talking about vocals, since that part of debate hasactually stopped.Now on sales : you post :”-Mariah has more income from her total albums sold than Celine ! -You have to explain nothing since the link you posted about Celine’s Canadian sales lie itself ! -Mariah sold 25 million albums in Japan and over 50 million albums for the whole Asian continent ! -No facts prove Celine sold more records than The Voice ! Celine is far behind Mimi on albums and Singles sales worldwide !”All these should be proven by you.Sorry. This is what wedo here. We try to prove what we say. No source provesyour lies. You will never be to the level of talking andexplaining by real facts.You can’t articulateproperly and then you tend to copy paste answers. Soyes, I am not to the level of a girl that makes so manygrammar mistakes while talking trash, and I am not thelevel of a girl that can’t prove her statements. Youmention your opinion and call it a fact. Pathetic.And don’t play the ”I don’t know English” card again.Write in French if you want. I bet you are thatuneducated in all the ”15 languages” you talk. LMAOAll Mariah’s awards you mention come from the 90s. Celinehas less World Music Awards but more recent, so she topsMC. Celine has been awarded in every music for hersales. You are that dumb to post as an argument thatMariah is popular in L.America because theylove her unreachable voice and her unique songs. Wowwhat an argument. How am I going to despute that ? Stillshe doesn’t have HALF the certifications ,rave reviewsand awards Celine has. Sit down now. You also have thenerve to say Celine is not popular. Funny how you stilluse silly polls and magazines to support your opinion.Celine doesn’t need any of that to prove she is morepopular in Canada, Europe ,Oceania and Africa andL.America,as her records sales and tour demandsay everything. Even if we talk about polls she even wona poll in Us which is not her strong market. (HarrisPoll. Funny how Celine beats MC in tours and ticketsales even in Us and Asia. Neither Mariah, nor Celineor Madonna are the most popular artists right now. Youhave been 1 year in this debate and still don’t know howto debate properly. You claim like a little kid thatMariah has more number 1 Hits, Top 10 Hits,Top 40 Hits than Celine everywhere worldwide even forthis decade.If you can prove the opposite,I await youranswer ! No dumb girl. First you prove what you say andTHEN I try to despute it. I won’t prove anythingopposite only because you posted something.On popularity”But that doesn’t mean that she didn’t use the popularity of reputed and famous vocalists I cited to back up and boosted her own career.”No Clive Griffin , no Charice , no Garou , no Il Divowere popular. So the artists you cited and then calledthem popular shows how much you fail. The only timeCeline needed duets was before her low budget debutalbum Unison in order to raise money for the budgetand I don’t see anything wrong in this. As everyone knowsCeline didn’t have anything ready in terms of promotion.Moreover, everything you mentioned shows MC is moremainstream and we know that already. Celine Dion has adifferent fan base than MC. MC fan base is all overinternet as it consists of younger people, while Celinehas a more adult fan base. Your delirium leads to postnonsense such Mariah being more popular in Europe. Thisis right. She is more popular there because she sold 30malbums less, 20m singles less , and her tours hardlyever sell out. Based on that thought Celine must be morepopular in Asia, as she sold less…oh ! but wait ! thiscan’t be as her tours are more successful there.Ooops..!Celine has made way more TV appearance than MC on everybig show in Us and Europe (Oprah = record 27 times ,Larry King , Letterman , Star Academy etc).Why would ANYONE care if people attended Mariah’s babyShower ? Did they pay any money ? People travel allaround the world to see Celine in Las Vegas(China,Africa,Australia,Ireland,Italy) and payhigh prised tickets ranging from 55-250 dollars but howcould this effect affect your little brain. Celine Dionhas a huge amount of sites that talk about her. I couldsite six pages that exist in my country, which is noteven her big market. All in all Mariah can show off herpopularity by cheap mathods (Attendance withno tickets, digital downloads , pressing ”Mariah” onpolls FOR FREE).Celine shows how popular she is, sinceher fans and no-fans do everything they can to feel herpresence and listen to her beautiful voice. When Mariahmanages to have a stike of sold out shows you will seewhat REAL popularity and REAL PUBLIC DEMAND is about.Till then you will be hiting you fat ass on the groundtrying to prove theories that don’t exist such asMariah’s popularity in Europe. FAIL ! FAIL ! FAIL !@ Gabmit (LOL) Go back to your trailer park. Learnabout music and see what I posted before. And Celineheld 16 seconds the ”I Surrender”final note at age 39.”I Surrender all to you babeeeeeeeeeeeeee”.No big deal.@ All of youGo find real arguments to despute me. You all fail. Youjust repeat things, thinking you will top my opinion bythat. Babbling bullsh** on issues you don’t know makeyou all look bordeline retarded. Saying something is alie while you are UNABLE to prove what is right provesyour INFERIORITY.PS ” As I never stopped to say,Sources lies ! They lieabout sales,achievements,talents,etc”If sources are not to be trusted then your delirium andfake album sales estimations you have been postingare not to be trusted either.# FAIL # The Reason says: May 6, 2011 at 5:28 am& And like I said before NO PROOF on Mariah’s FAKENumber 1s in Jamaica, Heiti, Costa Rica, Fidji Islands.# FAIL !NO PROOF on Critics that panned Celine’s nasality.# FAIL !NO PROOF on sources about Nana’s albums.# FAIL !FAILURE , Stupidity and Total Embarrassment. Mandy says: May 6, 2011 at 8:57 amPlease,Mariah albums sales surpass 175 million .Even Wikipedia admit it in their lists of the best selling artists of all times .her singles sales surpass definitely 70 million.She’s as much rich as Celine cause she surpassed her in the 90’s.Forbes began to show and rank the top earners only by 1999,that’s why Mariah hadn’t top his lists. can someone tell me in what song did Madonna’s voice had reach the A5 note and the notes up to A6 ? The Reason says: May 6, 2011 at 9:37 am@ MandyHere : youtube.com/watch?v=PiESAtYXlQEShe actually goes higher than A5, but sounds awful.– IF you want us to trust Wikipedia then we should followthat Celine sold over 200m albums.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celine_Dion– Mariah’s singles are at 55m. Not more. They aredetailed on every of her sites. I want to see factsproving MC sold 70m worldwide. If you can’t bring factslet it go. And I don’t care if you don’t trust her fansites.– Forbes list in 2007 counted income from the course oftheir careers. It was not about the year 2007. Andlet’s not even discuss who made more money from 2007till today. You can search stuff on Celine to see herreal sources that are not limited to albums and tourslike the weird insect said. BUTTERFLY says: May 8, 2011 at 6:15 pmMy French posts are all adressed to Lucky Luke,as he said that I should write in French language cause my English havd too much grammatical mistakes and is “Ghetto “ .So, he’ll answer to me in French language if he dare ! @Lucky Luke : T’as pas a ricaner du fait que mes commentaires ne soient plus acceptes sous le surnom de TRISH puisque tu es toi-meme oblige de poster les tiens sous le surnom de UNISON depuis plus d’un mois avant moi. Notre prise de gueule a pris fin ici quand tu t’es inserre dans l’autre debat comme un parfait ignoble,t’alliant a Moff et Shutup contre moi.Un blog de discusiion reste un blog de discussion,du moment que t’as essaye d’imposer Celine juste après Madonna tu m’avais encore provoque en tant que fan de MC puisque le blog n’incluait pas Celine du tout.T’es un sacre cretin,pas assez fute pour te mesurer avec moi.T’as flippe dans le blog de Celine et ensuite t’es alle chercher du renfort dans celui de Madonna pretextant de te faire passer pour un de ses fans.Y’a pas plus chiant que toi ! Oui,comme le fait tout le monde ici,j’ai déjà avoue a certains participants qu’ils ont raison lorsqu’ils apportent un argument base sur des faits.Mais cela n’a rien a voir avec tes supplications et tes demandes sans equivoques en vue de trouver un allie pour t’aider det te soutenir dans tes mensonges et dans tes saloperies de liens et sources.T’es un ptit merdeux Lucky ,rien du mec qui en a dans cervelle. Mon anglais de banlieue ? Pardon,mais tu te gourres mon loulou.J’ai jamais vecu en banlieue de toute ma vie.Par ailleurs, cela ne voudrait rien dire quant aux idees vehiculees ici.Les personnes vivant en banlieue n’ont rien a envier aux tares de ton genre. Tu me traite d’ineduquee quand toi tu fais preuve d’immaturite et d’obsession.Tu souffre d’une pathologie grave mon grand.Tu ne detiens pas meme un centieme de ce que je sais.Le seul ignorant ici c’est toi. Tu esperais que tout le monde avalerait tes saloperies de liens sans meme les remettre en question? Pour qui tu te prend ? Mariah est a des annees lumieres de Celine en ce qui a trait au talent et au success.Celine ne lui arrive meme pas a la cheville ! Comme tu le sais toi-meme,quasiment tous les Prix gagnes par Dion n’ont rien a voir avec ses reels accomplissements,ils reposent tous sur des donnees inventees et sont donc invalides. Concernant ses certifications de vente,quasi la moitie reposent sur des ventes fantomes,notamment en Europe. Ce que je sais de la musique ne provient pas principalement de liens internet contrairement a toi espece de ptit branleur !Je ne vais pas te reveler mes sources,navree !Je ne compte pas partager avec les ptits merdeux. Tu mens avec l’allegresse d’un poete en postant tes mensonges sur les aptitudes vocales de Celine et de Madonna.Aucune des deux ne depassent deux octaves et demi. Au sujet de Madonna, tout le monde ici decouvre a quel point tu es un menteur debile quant tu insiste qu’elle depasse Whitney en registre vocal et en nombre d’octaves ! Avec pour tout support et argument ,un minable lien Youtube.Penses-tu vraiment qu’une ridicule banalite postee sur YouTube prouverait ce que plus de 20 albums n’ont jamais prouve ?? Quelle honte ! S’il est vrai que Madonna possederait quatre octaves mais ne peut les exploiter faute de technique,cela sous-entendrait que les enfants de moins de cinq ans maitrisent beaucoup mieux leur voix et ont beaucoup plus de techniques et controle que Madonna et Celine reunies en ce qui a trait aux techniques vocales ? Puisque les enfants emettent des notes atteignant les aigus et le registre sifflet (comme Mariah Carey ) sans meme s’en rendre compte. Quelle paradoxe ! Ecoute moi ecervele de branleur ! Le registre sifflet commence a partir de trois octaves et demi. A partir de trois octaves de registre vocal,n’importe qui peut chanter des notes tres aigus comme Whitney Houston “ The Land Of The Freeee…” ,a la fin de “ So Emotional “dans L’hymne National Americain The Star Spangled Banner “.Dans toute sa carriere de chanteuse,Celine n’a jamais atteint une note aussi aigue,que ce soit sur scene ou en studio ! Encore moins que les notes tres elevees de Whitney dans “I’m Every Woman”,” If You Say My Eyes Are Beautiful “,…etc… Pas besoin de liens pour le savoir,car les personnes creant les liens donnent leur propre interpretations des musiques contrairement a nos Oreilles qui ne peuvent mentir et qui constituent l’appareil de mesure le plus fiable. Concernant Celine tenant une note de 16 secondes sur scene,c’est rien du tout.Celine peut donner une tres longue note en vocalisant sur un mot,ce qui est fres facile.Mais SEULE Mariah Carey ( ensuite (Whitney) peut maitriser sans souffler ,pour CHANTER des notes vocales tres eleves et tres haut-perches ,tres rapprochees les unes des autres sans prendre de pause . Celine ne peut donner de telles prestations ,pas meme dans ses reves ! Il y a une tres grande difference entre VOCALISER et CHANTER.Mariah et Whitney ne font pas que vocaliser sur des mots contrairement a Celine.Elles CHANTENT leurs notes surelevees.Pas seulement tenir de tres longues notes . Tenir une note de tres longues notes n’est pas si impressionant face a Chanter plusieurs couplets sur des notes SURELEVEES ! Mariah est unique et inegalable quant aux techniques vocales et de chanson ! Mimi est beaucoup plus populaire que Celine dans le monde entier ! Oui Mariah est plus populaire que Celine en Amerique du Sud parce que sa musique se vend mieux que celle de Celine et y est bien plus appreciee que celle de Celine ! Ses nombreux numero un et Top dix en sont la preuve tangible ! Je repete que Celine a du succes seulement en tournee ,cela n’implique pas qu’elle soit aussi populaire que “La Voix “ ! Le Harris poll n’etait pas vraiment fiable puisqu’en aucun cas Celine ne saurait battre des legends telles que : Elvis Presley,Michael Jackson,Mariah Carey,Whitney Houston et meme Madonna aux Etats-Unis. Rien ne le prouve,seuls les concerts a Las Vegas ne donnent pas force a cet argument.Celine n’a meme pas un Hit numero un aux Etats-Unis pendant l’entiere decennia 2000.En quoi serait-elle plus populaire au juste ? Par ailleurs, le sondage d’Harris concernait seulement le territoire americain contrairement a celui de FUSE qui concerne le monde entier ! Au sujet des Hits cumules pour la decennie 2000.Celine’s Top 20 Hits at 2000-2010 in Hot 100 Charts – I Want You To Need Me (# 1 in Canada ) – Sous Le Vent ( # 1 France , # 1 Belgium ) – A New Day Has Come ( #2 Canada, #2 Switzerland, # 7 UK, # 6 Germany,# 13 Belgium, # 19 Australia ) – I’m Alive (#2 Belgium ,#4 Germany,#7 france, #7 Switzerland,#17 UK) – I Drove All Night (#1 Canada,#18 Belgium,#11 Switzerland) – Tout L’or Des Hommes (#2 Canada, #5 Belgium,#3 France,# 10 Switzerland) – Je T’aime Encore ( #14 France,# 16 Germany) – Je Ne Vous Oublie Pas (#4 Belgium, #2 France) – Tous Les Secrets (#20 France) – S’il N’en Restait Qu’une ( # 4 Belgium, #1 France) – Taking Chances (#9 Canada,#7 France,# 5 Switzerland)Total # ones Hits : 5 Total Top 10 Hits : 17 Total Top 20 Hits : 9TOTAL : Top 20 Hits : 31 Celine has ZERO Top 20 Hit in US Chart for the whole 2000 decade !Mariah’s Top 20 Hits at 2000 – 2010 : -Against All Odds : (# 1 UK,#18 France,#20 Switzerland) -Thank God I Found You ( #1 US, #2 Canada,#17 Switzerland) -Loverboy (#1 Japan,#2 US, #7 Australia, #3 Canada, #12 UK )-Through The Rain ( #1 Spain, # 5 Canada,#7 Switzerland,#8 UK, #11 Netherland,#1 Phillipines, #15 Australia, #7 Italia ) -Boy I Need You (#17 UK) -Bringin On The Heartbreak (#1 Phillipines) -I Know What You Want (#1 Romania,#3 US,#3 Australia,#3 UK,#5 Canada,#9Germany,#4 Netherland,#7 New Zealand,#5 Switzerland,#8 Belgium,#7 Danemark,#2 Hungary,#4 Ireland,#4 Italia, #6 Norgevian,#11 Sweden) -Lil’ Love (#6 New Zealand) -It’s Like That ( #1 Japan,#1 China,#1 Cyprus,#3 Hungaria,#11 Ireland,#7 Italia,#13 Norgegian ,# 16 US, #4 UK,# 9 Australia, #16 France,#14 Germany,#1 Israel, #10 Switzerland, #19 Danish,#13 Netherland) -We Belong Together (#1 US,#1 Australia, #12 France,#11 Germany,#2 Netherland,#4 Switzerland) -Shake It Off (#2 US,#6 Australia, #9 UK, #5 New Zealand ) -Get Your Number ( #9 UK,# 19 Australia ,#7 Germany, #10 Netherland,#14 Switzerland) -Don’t Forget About us (#1 US,#11 UK,#12 Australia, #12 New Zealand,# 19 Switzerland ) -Touch My Body ( #1 US, # 5 UK, #17 Australia, #2 Canada,#16 France,#6 Germany,#14 Netherland,#3 New Zealand,#3 Switzerland) -Bye Bye ( #19 US, #7 New Zealand) -Obsessed ( #7 US, # 13 Australia,#15 Canada,# 8 France) -I Want To Know What Love Is (#1 Brazil,#3 Japan,#14 Danemark, #6 France, #6 Hungary,#19 UK )Total of number 1 Hits: 15 Total of Top 10 Hits : 46 Total of Top 20 Hits : 33 TOTAL of Top 20 Hits : 94 SO, MARIAH CAREY GOT MORE THAN 3 TIMES CELINE’S TOP 20 HITS WORLDWIDE. MIMI GOT MUCH MORE HITS EVEN IN 2000 DECADE THAN CELINE WORLDWIDE ! The Reason says: May 9, 2011 at 3:44 am@ GutterflyWow ! You are that dumb in your native language as well.I had to translate some of the words you used, causeI didn’t know the meaning and even Google or a dictionarycouldn’t help me.I WILL BE CLEAR : TAKE NOTEFIRSTGet over the whole nickname games I played after Iunderstood what you did. Moreover get over the thoughtthat I was somehow affected by what others said andtherefore ”needed” people to support me. And I am nota Madonna fan at all, I just like some of her songs. Asof mental problems nobody touches you since you are theperson to claim falsified Mariah facts again again andagain and then being unable to prove them. (Number 1sJamaica, Selling 200m by country when your sales showed160m+,15m DVDs in Us and so on). Sorry, I can’t lookworse than that even if I tried. On top of that you havebeen making a fool of yourself by contradicting on theCeline myths you claimed. (Over 145m by 2003 and thenbelow 130m by 2003 and so on)SECONDNo explanation why my links are biased. The fact thatthey show Celine above Mariah is not enough. FAILTHIRD”Mariah est a des annees lumieres de Celine en ce qui a trait au talent et au success.”—> Bitch, this is the topic of the debate. Don’trepeat it. This is what is needed to be proven by facts.Repeating Something = FAILFOURTHI am done talking on vocals etc cause you know sh**.Mariah has more vocal influence and this is what mattersfor that debate, since we talk about success. Anythingelse on Celine’s range is pure FAIL.FIFTHI love how you deny all the awards and accolades theQueen recieved. You deny her Grammy, her World MusicAward, her accolades by the Prime Minister of France,her awards and impact on entertainement and so on.On top of these you trust ONLINE POLLS where a kid couldpress ”Mariah Carey” FOR FREE many times based on howmany e-mails he/she has. -.-‘How dumb.How FAIL !SIXTHI didn’t see Mariah Number 1s from Jamaica,Heiti,FidjiIslands. FAILI didn’t see the music experts that panned Celine’snasality. FAILI didn’t see where you searched Nana’s sales. FAILStay pressed dumb insect..! LuckyLuke says: May 9, 2011 at 4:28 amYour singles list made me laugh. It is ridiculous howyou took into account N.Zeland and China and Cyprus and”forgot” Eurochart and United World Chart. Even Quebecis bigger than N.Zeland where a single is platinum forselling the ridiculous amount of 10.000 copies and 5.000for gold. Once again you proved how reliable you are.FAILYou mentioned HALF Celine singles and avoided mentioningMariah’s countless FLOPS (Bringing on the heartbreak,Up out my face,Hateu,Angels Cry,Fly Like A Bird and soon).FAIL”Celine has a 2.7 octave range.”Ok dumb cow…Since you insist and since you seem sosure about that…I dare your fake ass to tell me whichnotes EXACTLY are these that make her range 2.7 octavesIN SPECIFIC. LMAO !You won’t be able to answer that…Like you couldn’treply to the previous B U L L C R A P you posted.So—> FAIL !Stay pressed crazy bitch. <3 The Reason says: May 9, 2011 at 8:32 amBIGGEST FAIL AND PARODY = FUSE POLL”Congratulations everyone! Thanks to your votes, Mariah advanced to the final round and is now up against Fergie in FUSE’s “Battle of the Fans: Which Diva Has The Best Fans?” poll.Cast your votes NOW! Mariah is currently trailing behind with 39.59%.”Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha !So Fergie must be the most popular singer worldwideaccording to this reliable online poll ! Ha Ha Ha !Or the 2nd one if she loses to MC. Great Poll..!Should I mention that BIG FEMALE NAMES of the industrywere not even ”nominated” ? ? ?LMAO ! What a parody ! What a FAIL !somariahcarey.com/celebritynews/mariah-final-round-fuses-poll-voteAnd all that by voting FOR FREE ! LOL ! I even votedMC twice. She must be the most popular then in myneighbourhood. xDThank God REAL FANS actually buy albums ,dvds andtickets to concerts and everything related to the artist(soundtrack,parfumes and so on). Mariah’s popularityis in decline since early 00’s. She had one good momentin 2005 and after that no success at albums, DVDs orconcerts. At least Celine’s lower seller is certifiedgold,platinum or multiplatinum at all important markets,her tour/show demand is unreachable and she sold morecopies of DVDS in 2010 than Mariah did with her ALBUMS.And that with 0 promotion, while Mariah had to give3-4 interviews on big Us chanels. Celine did NOTHING.Yet she sold !As of the Harris Poll back in 2009 Celine had tocompete with REAL LEGENDS such as U2, MJ , Elvis, The Beatles and she took the all down. Nobody wouldcompare Celine with mainstream trash such as Katty Perryand Fergie.Celine is in a class of her own. On another LEVEL.She even suprassed Elvis and Sinatra in terms ofpopularity/impact on entertainment live shows. No otherartist ever managed to leave that impact on a whole CITYbefore, even affecting the economy state.FINALLY to reply to the magazines B U L L C R A P aboutCeline being irrelevant to magazines :“Dion isn’t here to perform. She’s here to kill it. Again… she isn’t aiming for applause. She’s looking for rapture.” – USA Today“A magnificent masterpiece! Celine has singlehandedly redefined class and elegance in onstage performances. Her voice is sent from the angels.” – Las Vegas Sun“Dion magnificent in new Las Vegas show….One hell of a show!…Jaw-dropping…Grandiose, yet intimate…Pure entertainment of the highest order…Worth every penny!! – Montreal Gazette“It’s the show of shows, and may not be matched in Las Vegas for a long time!” – Las Vegas Review-Journal“Celine Dion’s Vegas show more spectacular than ever! If her last show sold out for five years, this one should make it for ten.” – Toronto StarCeline is Las Vegas’ “biggest act since Elvis.” – Newsw”Celine Dion made a triumphant return to the stage of The Colosseum at Caesars Palace and became the Number #1 show in North America according to Billboard Magazine’s BOXSCORE listings.”ftnnews.com/accommodation/12409-celine-dion-made-a-triumphant-return-to-the-stage-of-the-colosseum-at-caesars-palace.html& Hello , France Dimanche CoversNot to mention how many interviews and cover magazinesshe did back in 2001/2002 with her son, after herpregnancy.And that’s just a bonus :youtube.com/watch?v=2yuHC1TZBwUFIRST we do some REAL research and THEN we post comments. PEACE says: May 9, 2011 at 11:22 amHonestly,I love both Mariah Carey and Celine Dion.I think that Trish and Lucky Luke are both crazy cause they fight about these legends since many months. It’s obvious that Mariah is most talented than Celine,but Celine is more humorist…Lol ! Both are great ! Please Trish,Please Lucky Luke,STOP this stupid war ! You become seriously fool … Lol ! Let’s say that both Celine and Mariah are equal to stop this feud ok ? Trish and Lucky Luke don’t reply anymore,don’t post comments in this blog,take advantage of the life ! You both are very smart and very great debaters,but it’s time to say goodbye. Peace everyone,I love you all ! The Reason says: May 9, 2011 at 3:04 pm@ POST 46 (PEACE)I agree with you.I know Mariah equals Celine and the opposite andEVERYONE can read this at post 15. Post 15 in my CLEARopinion on both ladies. I gave MC credit formusical and vocal impact and musicianship & Singles.*Musicianship = Compose,Songwriting,Producing.Am I hater for giving Celine credit for cultural andentertainement impact ? ? ?The whole thing is that I just can’t stand mean people.When I read that Celine fills stadiums because sheis a CLOWN, I have to reply. Same thing happenswhen I read mean things on Celine’s voice,and appearance. (ROBOT,NASAL,UGLY,THE NOSE)I don’t know why someone should have so much hatred intheir souls to call all the accomplishments and awardsof an artist Irrelevant,Biased and Crap.I can deal with people considering MC the best sellerfor a sales difference of like 10m or 20m records, causethis is their opinion. But Mariah being ahead of Celinefor around 100m records ? Gimme a break, LOL .These comments are posted just to provoke. Read myreplies to see I am civil towards MC.I am not crazy. I am pissed by rude,ignorant people thathave a little brain & big mouth.Worst Combination. stop this haha says: May 9, 2011 at 5:14 pm@tane I didn’t mean she just holds 4 second notes. Its just Celine can hold her notes way longer than most female singers. And if I can hear a note that’s held for 30 or 40 seconds is better than a 14 second high note. But all this fighting is stupid and you guys need to grow up and do something else with your lives -_- tane says: May 10, 2011 at 6:01 pm@stop this haha: and yet you continue to argue:/ stop this haha says: May 10, 2011 at 10:29 pm@tane well I’m not arguing I’m saying it calmly. I don’t know how people here read the comments so… Mandy says: May 11, 2011 at 12:25 pmSorry,Madonna has 1,5 octaves of vocal range according to the vocals in her albums .She’s known as a soubrette there are some songs,not many that Madonna shows her talent.She has some ability to cross-over the R&B appeal ( classified as a soubrette ). Check this : world 4 Madonna .com Madonna ,biography,height,age,birthday,life,children,career… The Reason says: May 11, 2011 at 3:55 pmSo you have heard ALL the albums ? Why do you have aproblem realising what is real and what is fake ? Whydo you have a problem accepting the truth as it is ?Madonna can just hit high notes, she can’t sing them soshe is a bad singer no matter what. Actually I hardlybelieve that the 1.5 octaves you mention are the onlynotes she sounds decent. So if we take it that way, yesMadonna must have 1.5 octaves range.What I was trying to say is that vocal range in generalis not an argument to support an artist.Of course Mariah’s insane range AND her ability toSING all these notes make her amazing.The vocal discussion is over. It is a FACT Mariahinfluenced many young artists and this is what matters.All in all, Celine and Mariah are both great, bothlegends. Both have their pros and cons invocals,sales,lifes,skills and so on, so give them arest.Take care everyone. Mandy says: May 11, 2011 at 6:44 pmOK,I agree. CELINE & MARIAH FOREVEEEEER says: May 12, 2011 at 12:03 pmPS:Mariah influenced not only young artists precisely.(Backstreet Boys,Beyonce, Chaka Khan,Patti Labelle,Christina Aguilera,Justin Timberlake,etc… are not young artists.but I agree with you Lucky Luke, no comments anymore,Celine and Mariah are both very great.Both are almost the same anniversary day,both have twins,both are great vocalists,both are exceptional sellers,etc…About Madonna,let’s don’t mention her anymore in this debate.Peace everyone ! CELINE 2011 says: May 13, 2011 at 1:40 amThis Year!! I think if we compare their voice and performances..,Celine is the best!! Nothing change since from the beginning..,While Mariah totally lost her voice and her songs are digitally manipulated..,let’s accept the truth and the fact!! BUTTERFLY says: May 13, 2011 at 11:55 am@CELINE 2011.And blablabla….”Celine is the best” in what exactly? In clown around in front of million people on stage? In releasing “nasal emotions”? In which performance Celine surpass Mariah’s ? At the circus ? You already claim these kind of delirium before the release of her incredible Christmas album. You said that Mariah’s voice is digitally manipulated? You just forget that Celine is entirely manipulated,not just her nasal voice.Celine is a puppet,not a real artist.Don’t you get shame to say this foolish absurdity? Anyway,this not astonished since some delusional Celine fans already claim Madonna surpass Whitney on vocal range ! What will do you bring tomorrow ? That Celine beats The Voice on Writing and Producing skills? When will you accept that the main talents of your idol jokes and pull faces? Celine’s voice can be compare with Madonna,Gaga,Lauper,etc…Mimi belongs to another level,another league.Even if Mariah would become mute,she would stay a better vocalist than Celine.Mimi is THE VOICE !!! This is all the truth and the fact honey.Take it easy… Bye ! The Reason says: May 13, 2011 at 4:18 pmYou have a serious problem bitch. Everyone can have anopinion and if people consider Celine better there is noreason to act like a total bitch against them.Educate yourself or go back to the asylum. MOFF says: May 14, 2011 at 6:16 amTrish is sick, nothing more or less. BUTTERFLY says: May 14, 2011 at 3:30 pmYou have a bigger problem than me ashamed slut boy ! You are not in place to judge about my posts.You already insult every lambs that don’t agree with your lies ! (Tane,Momo,Gambit,Carla,etc…). This idiot come here to say Celine is better than THe VOICE,it’s normal that I put him back at his place ! I am not your mother,neither Madonna.You’re a pig,nothing more.As already lold it,you should debate in another that speak about male artists,sport,or play video games with other guys on the web,etc…Come on, behave like true guys ! Stop posting craps about female artists,let girls debate about female artists and the other things reserved to female readers !I couldn’t imagine normal guys arguing with girls about female artists and insulting them !!!!! Get a normal life !!! The Reason says: May 14, 2011 at 10:46 pmLOL ! The troll that’s been here for over A YEAR givesme life advice ! This is surreal. Plus, I never attackedanyone for considering Mariah THE BEST. I would attackanyone though ,that insults Celine or Mariah, cause theirmusic is part of my life and I dislike people callingCeline clown,ugly,robot,nose (YOU) and Mariah bitch,fat,whore (JESSICA).Finally, nobody has a bigger problem than the bitch thatkeeps posting lies about things she CAN’T prove likeMariah’s number 1s in Jamaica, Heiti,Fidji Islands, orcritics that panned Celine for her nasality, or the fakesources about Nana’s sales by market or the exact notesthat make Celine’s range 2.7 octaves.Sorry, but if you can’t see how much you humiliateyourself you have an even bigger problem. The Reason says: May 15, 2011 at 10:25 am”This idiot come here to say Celine is better than THe VOICE,it’s normal that I put him back at his place !”No, it’s not a NORMAL behaviour attacking strangersvia Internet for over a year. Second, you didn’t put himinto his place, since he only mentioned his opinion.Third, these people don’t reply back because they don’tcare about your sad existence, not because you have”arguments” like you think you have. Babbling that MC”slays” Celine in everything doesn’t make you a strongdebater. It makes you look silly and pressed. Got that ?And all this is confirmed by all the lies I have beenexposing. The lies you still can’t cover up. (POST 60)The least thing you can do is RESPECT all these peopleefforts (Mine,Tane,Celine and Mariah forever,Mandy,Stopthis,Peace) that they try to end this debateand have been posting that MC and Celine are equal andboth legends.If our efforts are not enough to make you stop, justthink of Mariah and Celine and their songs that talkabout love,friendship and peace. This is what music isabout. BUTTERFLY says: May 16, 2011 at 10:01 amWho are you? How dare you talk about me like this? You are not more than a pig lucky Luke.You always try to take down Mariah’s achievements face to Celine’s.But I always show your lies.I always proved everything I claim here unlike you.You never proved anything,you just tried to lead this debate with partial and unreliable links.You insulted Mariah many times,everyone that already read the entire blog can see it.I would attack anyone who say Celine is better than The Voice in anything,except for concerts ! You said that I never proved anything here.I remind you that I already proved Mariah’s supremacy on: -Hits -Influence -Voice -Musical skills -Popularity -International wards -Singles sales -Legacy You always try to deny all thes facts by saying I lied,cause I didn’t give “links” to support them. the question of albums sales was the main object of this debate since all the other points were clear ! I just deny the arguments giving by Celine’s fans and you in which Celine surpass Mariah on everything just because of her success on concerts and tours.I said Mariah is better cause she wins in much more things. About hits,I proved that Mariah really have much more Top 20 Hits worldwide than Celine even at the 2000 decade.This is you who failed,not me.You said that Quebec is bigger than New Zealand? You even cited China as a micro market !You just forget that China alone is bigger than the whole Europe ! Mariah has much more Top 20 hits than Celine the 2000 decade even in Europe ! You are just silly when you try to ridiculize it.Mariah win one more time. All the debaters you cited that try to end this debate can’t do that because of you.You always want to have the last word.After the post of PEACE I stopped to post comments,but you did.After Mandy’s post you still reply.I posted a comment only when CELINE 2011 said Celine is better than Mariah.Then you dare attack me with insults! I reply to you ,then you still post comments with insults against me.Then accuse me to be the poison of this debate.Who do you think you are ? If you really want the debate is over,don’t post anything at all.Otherwise,I will always reply just like you do. LuckyLuke says: May 16, 2011 at 2:56 pmI am going to talk how I want, when I want. You provednothing ,except for the fact that you are mentallyill for thinking you actually proved things with facts.It would be convenient to leave this debate and let yougoat you proved everything,wouldn’t it ? And I didn’tattack people after your last comment, Mandy asked mefor a video. It was between me and Mandy about MADONNA,not Mariah neither Celine so this still doesn’t excuseyour rude reply.Finally it is funny and surreal how you think youexposed my lies… LOL#Wait a moment………………………..Aren’t you the same bitch that posted Mariah sold 15mdvds in Us ?Aren’t you the same idiot that posted Mariah sold 6mrecords in UK ?Aren’t you the lame person that can’t mention Mariah’snumber 1s in Fidji Islands and Jamaica ?Aren’t you the brainless insect that can’t cite whichnotes exactly make Celine’s range ?Aren’t you the mean bitch that can’t cite which musiccritics exactly panned Celine’s nasality ?Aren’t you the dumbass that can’t mention which sourcesshe trusted to post Nana Mousxouri’s sales ?Aren’t you the idiot that posted Mariah’s and Celine’stop 20 hits without counting United World Chart andEurochart among other significant charts ?Aren’t you the crazy person that attacks people forover a year here and trashes Madonna and Celine ?Aren’t you the liar that contradicts with all Mariah’sawards, YET mentions them to prove her superiority insales ?Aren’t you the same mean a-hole that called Celine”clown , ugly , nose , robot” many times ?Aren’t you the ignorant that talked about ”rnb culture”trying to prove myths on cultural impact ?Aren’t you the fool that implied Celine got no awardsfor her perfumes ?Finally, aren’t you the humiliated, exposed and pressedc*** here to post Mariah sold 200m albums worldwidewhile all her previous posts (YOUR POSTS) per countryshowed sales of 160m albums ? #LOL#Sorry…You are already dismissed and finished andyou can’t swallow it. tane says: May 17, 2011 at 7:52 pmahhh blablablablabla……..mariah is better obviusly no need for me to state this again:/ butterfly you are right about most of your statements but some are not true…sorry but I have to tell you the true:) I’m like a huge lamb but still it doesn’t give you the cheek to lie about some facts:) lukyluke the same goes for you!MARIAH FOREVER! LOLmimi! hehehe… Mariah for me is more talented, she has more pride in her work than anyone else! that’s why she’s the best! tane says: May 17, 2011 at 7:54 pmI love both artist but Mariah has my vote:)i just love Mariah Carey! The Reason says: May 18, 2011 at 12:00 amTane thanks for trying to be objective, fair and honest.If you think I lied about something please tell me aboutit, cause I may be be wrong. My actual point of view isstated at post 15. Thanks again ! PIGRIAH Carey says: May 18, 2011 at 12:12 amWELL???? WHO is “MARIAH CAREY”?Don’t say that she is a big hit here in the philippines!! Bec. we hate her!!!!!she IS NOTHING BUT FLOP!! FAKE!! The Reason says: May 18, 2011 at 1:19 amWho is Mariah Carey ? ? ? #LOL# Come on !Mariah is an influencial vocalist ,an influencialmusician and on top of these she got all her salessuccess is because of her vocal talent and hermusicianship. She has been awarded multiple times forall these and she is a legend, a class of her own.The only artist I know to achieve chart success andaclaim with songs of different genres : pop , rnb ,gospel , hip hop , urban dance tracks , Motown , souland so on…She sold some albums in your country. She’s ok there,cause Philippines is not a place where western musicis popular.Here :mariahjournal.com/infozone/charts/albums/philippines/index.shtmlRespect the Legends !!! Jenaya says: May 18, 2011 at 1:48 amBabys can we all get along that both of them are the best! they are both amazing and we will never have anyone like them or Whitney Houston Or the Mighty Janet Jackson. Please Celiniacs and lambs. Calm down Mandy says: May 18, 2011 at 1:40 pmI agree with Tane and with Trish .Trish is right in a lot things she said.I know Mariah Carey sells more records than Celine in facts.Besides Many sites support this it. Mariah is also more talented vocally and have a more technical voice.I love both though ,and also Whitney that I consider their big sister .i consider the 3 as 3 sisters, the 3 most talented female vocalists that ever live on this planet !But Mariah make me more proud with her songs and her sing style.Stop the feud everybody The Reason says: May 18, 2011 at 3:29 pmI am a fan of MC and memeber at some of her sites – Ican mention them and they all have sales of 200mrecords+ , just like her label announced and herofficial biographies show. If you know any site inspecific that says the opposite pls let me know, causeI have no idea. Thanx. No mean to fight. MariahRockstar says: May 18, 2011 at 5:23 pmI have been reading this page for a long time but decided to join in on the conversation today, because there’s a lot of inaccurrate info stated and it’s just that – inaccurate. I’m a huge Mariah fan as well as Celine fan. Obviously I prefer Mariah as evidenced by the name, but I’m impartial and can admit truth and facts unlike some other Mariah fans I’ve seen on this page. Fact is Mariah is not the best selling female artist of all time and that’s officially confirmed by Guinness World Records and IFPI among others. Truth is that gap toothed, talentless hag Madonna has sold the most. More than Celine & Mariah. Celine comes second and then follows Mariah. The difference is not big between them but fact is as follows1 Madonna 2 Celine Dion 3 Mariah CareyNo matter how much Madonna sold though she had an advantage both Mariah & Celine lacked. She began in the 80s. Sure Celine started in the 80s too but her ENGLISH career started in 1990 just like Mariah’s. Mariah surpasses Celine in sales only in Asia and the US. Celine outsells her everywhere else outside those two markets. The Reason perfectly explained everything. Mariah’s official sites which are Mariahjournal and Mariahcarey dotcom, don’t get it twisted stans, also claim this.Now aside from the sales debate, I honestly don’t see how some of you are incapable of being truthful when it comes to Celine & Mariah’s talents and skills.Celine’s voice has remarkable power that stands out next to every other singer’s. Mariah’s voice posesses an incredibly wide range that sets her also apart.Celine can actually PERFORM like no other. She interacts with the audience and dances on stage. You only have to watch her, high selling, Taking Chances Tour DVD to see Celine set fire on stage. Mariah lacks in the performing department but guess what? She’s such a gifted songwriter that makes up for it, just read her poetic lyrics in her song “The Roof”. Remember, Celine doesn’t write her songs (even though to be fair she has written few French ones).Both singers are regarded as the top female vocalists, along with Whitney Houston no matter how dead Houston’s voice is these days. Both singers have covered many genres in their respective repertoires:Celine – The absolute QUEEN of Adult Contemporary and Francophone. music. Has also explored Pop, Dance, Rock, Gospel, Opera, Christmas music, Blues, Soul, Lullaby Music and so on.Mariah – The absolute QUEEN of R&B and Christmas music. Has also explored Pop, Dance, Rock, AC, Gospel, Soul (ranging from neo-Soul to old-school 70’s Motown Soul), Jazz, Reggae and so on.Both singers’ voices have been praised by critics and are great influences to younger artists such as Christina Aguilera, Leona Lewis, Kelly Clarkson and so on.The funny thing is that both singers evidently respect and harbor positive feels for each other. Celine’s acupuncture tips helped Mariah conceive and eventually give birth to twins. Mariah had sent a sympathy basket to Celine when Celine’s father Adhemar Dion passed, to express her sympathy. They have both sung together on stage, they were label mates.It’s annoying how fans get caught up in online wars between each other and in the process completely neglect to remain OBJECTIVE and real in an effort to elevate their personal preference. Advice for fans says: May 18, 2011 at 9:15 pmDon’t give a damn about what liar and subjective lambs say ok ??The real musical sources like ifpi, Billboard, world music awards, and RIAA prove absolutely that Celine Dion has sold more than Mariah worldwide ! Facts speak for themselves so there¿s no point of arguing. Many people can say whatever but things are not going to change.I don’t know why Mariah lambs don’t face the fact that Celine and the talentless Whoredonna are more successful than her ! That doesn’t mean that Mariah is a loser, does it ?? I don’t know why you don’t accept the facts proved by music industry. It seems that you must think that Mariah is the owner of sales to enjoy her music right ? In that case…what a shame (with all respect). Maybe you aren’t pretty sure about Mariah’s achievements. Maybe Celine and Madonna fans enjoy much more their idols because they know that their records are higher than Mariah and know what they are, but still they don’t seem to care too much about success of the artists. I know what I’m talking about, because I’ve seen lots of comments in YouTube, blogs, etc….And don’t contradict me, I wasn’t born in music yesterday and I know perfectly well the records of Mariah Carey, Celine Dion and even of MANdonna and I must say I have nothing against Cline or Mariah, but facts are that Celine is more successful, but Mariah is not so behind ! and is valuable too !! The point is enjoy your music, that’s it ! MJ KING OF THE WORLD says: May 18, 2011 at 9:25 pmI mean …. just for the record:Who the freaking cares ’bout which market is bigger ?? I will repeat what some Mariah lambs say: “USA AND JAPAN ARE THE BIGGEST MARKETS OF THE WORLD”…….. And ?? so what ??? That means that Mariah is more important ??? Hell no!!The market is important ! That’s it ! THE MARKET !! NOT THE ARTIST……..just for the record:RIAA, WMA and IFPI claimed Celine as the world’s best selling female artist more recently, logically it means she owns it with sales surpassing 200 million (Mariah is in the 180 million). So, with more sales than Mariah worldwide !! So, maybe it could be because of Europe, Africa, Latin America, Canada, bla bla bla……..but still she has much more power in music industry than Mariah ! Use your logic !! U can’t argue the success of an artist just because the legacy of the market she/he triumphs at because those are different topics.Moreover, my own country (USA) could be the largest market, but I mean….if we count Europe, Oceania, Africa and the rest of America, it makes a bigger market all together than USA and even Japan.But I repeat ! The market doesn’t say anything….but they success of the artist speaks by itself.From this we can infer that Celine and Madonna have surpassed the importance of USA and Japan as markets, while Mariah is in a good level, but what she has is not enough.Sorry for the lambs, my point is not to frustrate ya, but facts are facts Mandy says: May 19, 2011 at 10:26 amThanks,” Advice For Fans “.I agree with your logic .However I have to remind you that Mariah sells much more singles than Celine ,though Celine totalize more albums sold. Moreover for me ,the best one is not necessarily the greatest seller cause ( Otherwise,it would mean that Madonna is better than both Celine and Mariah as she’s a greater seller ).They are too close on record sales to base the comparison among them mainly on sales. That’s why the other achievements are useful to comre them.But anyway,they are very close on everything,overall.The only thing you’re wrong in is saying that Celine is more successful than Mariah in Latin America,cause this is the opposite. I think the difference among Celine’s and Mariah’s sales is negligeable . Besides,celine & Mariah had not started their respective career at the same time,they hadn’t released the same amount of records,they hadn’t sung in the same number of languages,etc… we also have to take into account that Celine is favorised in Canada and France relatively to Mariah ,thank to her Canadian and francophone roots. USA is a more open and multi-cultural place,where the chances to be popular for non-American artists are greater there than anywhere else . .The proof is Celine’s huge success and popularity in USA beside Mariah’s,and her huge supremacy in Canada & France over Mariah.If we take these things into account,they are equal. But you’re right,this is useless to stil fight.Let’s rather enjoy and appreciate their works.As we all love both,let’s just say who among both we love MORE and WHY, to ending this stupid feud.Let’s comment their best achievements and work and say what we love in each other .This way,we’ll promote both artists,and express our admiration and respect for their works,and also for ourselves their fans. BUTTERFLY says: May 19, 2011 at 3:55 pm@MariahRockstar:The fact is that Madonna neither Celine doesn’t surpass Mariah on worldwide sales ! If you were really informed you would know that Guinness isn’t allowed to state who is the best selling female artist of all times.Its not a musical institution.Only RIAA’s datas are based on real counts,all others are based on estimations.That’s why they usually made huge mistake in their statements ( IFPI cliamed 200 million albums sold by nana Mouskouri without any proof.Guinness claimed 300,then 280 million albums sold by Madonna in the past.in 2010,Guinness rectify this number by 200 million albums.So,these institutions can’t be trusted.It would be too much easy to just repeat after IFPI,Guinness,Mediatrafic,etc…without analyze the real facts giving by the past.It’s not by nothing that World Music Award awarded the best seller albums.How Madonna could sold 200 million albums worldwide with just 1 world Music award for her entire career? Because WMA hate her? It’s because all her albums were moderate success,not huge smash hit albums as Mariah’s Daydream,Music Box,Mariah Carey,etc… or Celine’s Falling Into You,Let’s Talk About Love.Mariah is ahead of Celine because her 1990’s albums sold more than Celine’s while she equals Celine’s albums sales at the 2000’s.About singles,Celine has just 5 million seller singles worldwide (reaching or surpassing million sales) for her entire career while Mariah has over 25 . So it’s clear that Mariah outsold Celine by 30- 50 million records the less worldwide. You are wrong,Mariah has sold more albums and much more singles than Celine worldwide.Celine outsold Mariah just in Europe and Canada,anywhere else.Mariah outsold Celine in US the greatest music market,Asia (the second greatest music market),Oceania,South America and West Indies. Everyone already knows that Celine has great success in concerts. Don’t add your own thoughts to Celine’s influences. Susanne 1986 says: May 19, 2011 at 6:30 pmAccording to BILLBOARD in 2010 :1) Madonna 300 million 2) Celine 220 million 3) Mariah 200 million Peace people. Love you all ! <3 The Reason says: May 19, 2011 at 8:08 pmI would really love to see which Mariah’s singles soldover 5m copies and their respective certifications. Andher sales in West Indies in detail, since people hereboast about these stuff. The Reason says: May 20, 2011 at 12:12 am@ BUTTERFLYMoff and Shutup asked you to PROVE when GBRmentioned more sales about Madonna and YOU STILL CAN’TPROVE IT ! You just REPEAT it !No comment on the rest B U L L S H I T you posted aboutCeline’s million selling singles and Mariah being equalto Celine in albums sales this decade !Pure B U L L C R A P !!! LIES !!! wow says: May 20, 2011 at 9:33 pm@Advice for fans I agree! We should just listen to the music and enjoy it while they’re still able to sing with their incredible voices!@MJ KING OF THE WORLD I agree that the WORLDWIDE market is more important than just the US and Japan market, so if Celine Dion has sold more albums and had more success WORLDWIDE than Mariah Carey, Celine has had a more successful careerSo…its pretty annoying seeing all these stubborn people fighting over nothing -_- tane says: May 22, 2011 at 4:53 pm1 Madonna 2 celine 3 Mariahbetweent Mariah and Celine its a small plot:) MOFF says: May 23, 2011 at 5:43 amYou’re right tane :)300 million records – Madonna 240 million Celine and 220 Mariah.THE THREE BIGGEST SELLING FEMALE ARTISTS!! tane says: May 24, 2011 at 4:24 pmmoff said it Gambit says: May 26, 2011 at 12:24 pmMaria Carey has sold more records than Celine Dion worldwide.As said Trish,Mariah was always ahead of Celine on worldwide sales. 1-Madonna 2-Mariah Carey 3-Celine Dion the three are great ! Helena says: May 27, 2011 at 1:18 amCeline Dion has sold more records than Mariah Carey worldwide. Proved by tane,MOFF,the reason,Mariahrockstar MJ King rules,Advice for fans.1-Madonna 2-Celine 3-Mariah Shannon says: May 27, 2011 at 10:19 amMariah has sold more records than Celine worldwide proved by TRISH,Momo,Mandy,Carla,Mariah4ever,Gambit,Mariahlamb,and so on… 1-Madonna 2-Mariah Carey 3-Celine Dion The Reason says: May 28, 2011 at 1:12 amOh guys…this is so funny. Running out of arguments soyou decide to play nickname games. And on top of thatyou copy paste answers, insting on non sense.Well Shannon…First of all half the people you mentionedare the same person. Second, Gabmit only repeated whatthe others said with no originality. Third, Mandy kindaagreed Celine sold more (POST 75), just like Tane did.Fourth, funny this was posted one day after I gotinsulted out of nowhere by Gabmit (crazy,sick,pathetic),who actually uses the same writing style as…Well, take it easy and bye bye !!! :-) wow says: May 29, 2011 at 3:32 amWhat @MOFF posted in post 82 should have ended these arguments tane says: May 29, 2011 at 5:07 pmMariah carey has sold more singles but less albums:)Celine dion has sold more labum but less singles:)who says I’m wrong? MANDY says: May 30, 2011 at 12:15 pmI am clear,I agree with TRISH when she claimed that Mariah Carey sold more records than Celine Dion worldwide.But,I don’t express myself about Madonna’s sales compare with Mariah’s.Yes,Trish is right,Mariah has sold more records than Celine.Lucky Luke keep insist on this,that’s why I wanted to ended the debate.But,I know very well that Mariah surpass Celine on records sales worldwide.Take it easy everyone,cause none of us can accuse Trish anymore to prevent the end of this debate.She doesn’t argue since many days unlike Lucky Luke.This is rather Lucky Luke that keep insist by answering to every posts…Lol ! Peace everyone,Celine and Mariah are both very great ! MOFF says: May 30, 2011 at 2:07 pmYou are right, tane :) tane says: May 30, 2011 at 8:10 pmyay! finally a finished debate:) thx everyone! The Reason says: May 31, 2011 at 10:12 am@ MandyI actually replied to Gabmit cause he replied to me andnow I post this comment to you, cause you mentioned myname 3 times in one paragraph.Don’t say ”I insist” cause last time I ”insisted” onsth was the 18th of May. = 13 DAYS AGO !The only thing I did ever since was asking forcertifications on Mariah’s huge million selling singlesand her record sales in West Indies. I got no reply, soI stopped. Ok ?With that being said…If you want to accuse me anyfurther do it. Just don’t rely on what others say cause.You get somehow confused and get to imitate theirwriting styles as well.( ”keep insist” / ”since many days unlike Lucky Luke””This is rather Lucky Luke” keep insist by””every posts” )C Ya sweety ! <3 Nikolai says: June 3, 2011 at 3:50 pmHi everyone,I am gay and I am a crazy Madonna fan…The queen of pop…Lol ! Madonna has something than other female artists can’t give.I think that Mariah really is the most talented artist ever and the biggest vocalist ever.Nobody reaches Mariah’s voice,this is undeniable,But I believe that Madonna sold more than Mariah.Sorry lambs,but Mariah is just behind Madonna.Both are greatest female seller ever.To be honest,Celine doesn’t sold as much as Mariah,even though she is very successful too.Celine is a good entertainer…Lol ! Don’t be mad Celiniacs,Celine is third and this is not bad at all,since she even surpasses the vocal legend Whitney Houston on records sales.Here in Europe,Celine sold much more than Carey,but most europeans believe Mariah has more talent and beter voice than celine,at the other side,Mariah sold much more than Celine in Asia and US…The Three are great !…LMAO ! Celine ,Mariah and Madonna forever ! let’s love each other,cause there is any reason for fighting . What the what?? says: June 4, 2011 at 3:19 am1. Madonna – around 300 million 2. Celine – 220-250 million 3. Mariah – 200-220 million I don’t even know why I’m adding Madonna, since everyone knows Madonna has sold more than these two. @TRISH, Butterfly, whatever nickname you go by You told @Lies Lies Lies that critics “blame her for her nasal tone in her voice.” If you really read the critiques, they do not blame her for it, and they say it gives her a smooth tone in her voice.Celine sells more concert tickets, albums, and DVDs Mariah sells more singles and music videos. Celine’s fragrance line is far more popular than Mariah’s. You also said Mariah was awarded with the Millineum award, which she got for selling the most records in the past 1000 years. She got that before Celine’s numbers were officially calculated, which was in the 21st century, explaining why Celine got her Hollywood Walk of Fame the next year, when she sold more records than Mariah. You keep blaming others for coming back when they clearly write “I DON’T WANT TO FIGHT ANYMORE” but you seem to be the one who keeps coming back when all of the Celiniacs continuously tell you they’ll stop if you stop posting these outrageously hilarious posts. But you never do, because this is probably what you do on your free time. You keep saying Celine has no unique assets and her nasal voice is irritating to others. If that’s true, how come she’s sold over 200 million in records? Huh? You tell us you’ve given proof and your source forall your information, but you never do. Like in one post, you cleary wrote, “For example,I didn’t got the infos about Nana Mouskouri true total album sales and about many Mariah’s info from internet.” Then where did you get it from? You always seem to be avoiding these questions by unnecessarily insulting Celine and everyone who idolizes her, just like you idolize Mariah. And that’s another thing. You insult everybody, even those who say they like both equally and should stop debating. Or when they just give their opinions.And to all who this applies to : I don’t mean to be too rude, but saying the words FAIL and Lol makes you sound stupid. Get something clever to say!Again, I will be one of hundreds to say, I will not post anymore of these posts if you stop posting things that really hurt some of these people’s feelings!!!! MOFF says: June 4, 2011 at 7:51 amWow, I absolutely agree with you.This should be the last word said. But I suppose that Trish (BUTTERFLY) will come back and post lies and lies again.Nikolai, I accept your post but I think you can’t say that Celine has sold less records than Mariah.Saying “Mariah has better voice” is OK but thinking who has sold more or less records is fail because it’s something an opinion can’t change.The fact is that Celine has sold more records in total because she has sold more albums and more DVDs, but less singles and music videos.Mariah has sold a little more singles, but that doesn’t mean she has also sold more reocrds in total.Like Dej Jam said, Mariah has sold over 200 million records, and I think that everybody can calculate:Diamond Award in 2003 for 150 million album sales + further albums since 2003 (15 million) = 165 million albums. But because of catalog sales her assumed album sales stand at almost 170 million I would say.Her single sales are at around 55 million sales like many Mariah’s hompages or fanpages claim.So it’s easy to say that Mariah has sold around 220 million records.Celine:She got her Diamond Award in 2004 for 175 million album sales, now her album sales stand at 185 million + her singles sales at around 50 million and DVD sales you’ll get a number of almost 240 million.About Madonna, we know she outsold every singer in the world. 200 million albums sold alone (IFPI, Guinness) and over 100 million singles sold (certifications) you’ll get 300 million records.Madonna, Celine, Mariah are the best ! tane says: June 5, 2011 at 5:04 pmmoff your right! even though I’m a huge Mariah Carey fan its quite true Celine sells a bit more:) MOFF says: June 6, 2011 at 3:17 amThanks, tane. You are not as bold and foolish like TRISH (BUTTERFLY). You recognize the truth, although you’re a Mariah Carey fan. Guys, tane is a real MC fan ! The Reason says: June 6, 2011 at 9:26 amI have to agree that only TRUE fans accept their idolswith their pros and cons. Lying about achievementsdoesn’t show love or devotion. Just lack of logicthought and insecurities.Tane accepts Mariah is not a commercially succesfulas Madonna and Celine. TRUE FANMoff accepts Madonna doesn’t have the vocal talent orthe songwriting skills, or the vocal/musical influenceMariah owns. TRUE FANI Love Celine and Mariah soooooooooo much, but Irecognise Madonna’s superiority in sales, while Madonna’smusic means nothing to me…I am a TRUE FAN !(Not to mention I accept Mariah’s superiority inmusicianship,vocal/musical influence and vocal technique)LOL xDSomething more…None of us ever insulted Mariah orCeline or Madonna.;-) BUTTERFLY says: June 6, 2011 at 11:05 am@ What the What : Hahahaha! Let me laugh ! This is so funny ! Who could judge me here? Who are you? Keep your word straight ! True fans accept when their idol has an asset and an handicap ! I said Celine’s voice is nasal.nobody can say the opposite since this stay a fact ! If you love her like this,good for you.But don’t say that I lied by saying it. BUTTERFLY says: June 6, 2011 at 11:33 amI didn’t blame Celine’s voice.I said its nasal since that’s true.Face the real fact ! What do you say about Lucky Luke’s claims that Mariah’s 2000’s albums are breathy? What do you say about he’s lies by saying Madonna and Celine surpass Whitney Houston on vocal range? What do you say about Lucky Luke claim that said Lady Gaga that started her career in 2008 equals Mariah that have success with singles since 1990,on worldwide singles sales? That Celine’s Let’s Talk About Love reach million sales in Brazil? That Celine’s 1990’s albums surpass Mariah’s ? This is Trish that lied ? About sales,let me give you the right list 1-Mariah Carey 300 million 2-Madonna 230 million 3-Whitney Houston 215 million 4-Celine Dion 192 million This list is irrefutable ! Celine’s fragrances are more popular than Mariah’s in Europe and Canada.Mariah’s fragrances are more popular than Celine’s in US,Asia, and the rest of the world ! Celine sold more DVD,concerts tickets than Mariah -Mariah sold much more Albums,Singles than Celine.Moreover,Mariah has much more Hits in every countries worldwide than Celine ! I even don’t need to talk about Voice,Image,Legacy,Influence,writing, producing skills,etc… Yes,I keep say that Mariah’s Millennium award is relevant fr the whole last millennium ! Keep your words straight.Me too,I could say “I Don’t want to fight “then continuing by replying with each post.Don’t accuse me for something that you can’t see with fair eyes ! I even didn’t reply to many Lucky Luke’s posts that needed reply although he continue to do it.But you can’t see it,cause this is me that you hate in advance. You are most hilarious than my posts,as you are completely blinded.I assume everything I did,and I don’t need you say me nothing about what I post here ok? Can you cite 10 songs and ten albums by Nana Mouskouri,that you really know? If you got arguments on Nana’s sales,good.Bring them here ! I insult anyone when they just give their opinions.,I reply to insults ! You call me stupid,so if I call you a-hole,this is not bad.See? BUTTERFLY says: June 6, 2011 at 11:57 amMoff,what else could you say? This is not astonish that you agree with another a**hole like Lucky Luke and you ! You said that I will come in the blog and posting lies? But did you ever stopped to post lie even during a entirely week Lucly Luke and you? Are you the person in the blog that could treat my arguments as lies? I don’t think so.You’ll always claims Lucky Luke’s lie truth cause you are his boyfriend and you both sleep together. Saying Celine amuse people on tage most than Mariah is right,but that doesn’t mean she equals or surpasses Mariah on sales. The fact is that Celine sold more tickets concerts and a little bit more DVD than Mariah.But Mariah sold much more albums and much more singles than Celine worldwide ! everybody can calculate: – 150 million albums sold by Mariah till 2000 year – 120 million albums sold by Celine till 2000 year– 75 million singles sold by Mariah at the 1990’s,then 25 million at the 2000’s = 100 million singles the less -20 million singles sold by Celine at the 1990’s,then 5 million at the 2000’s = 25 million singles,let’s say 30 million.Moff,you try to based your crap on Mariah and celine’s Diamond Award ? Tell me,what WMA claims about Madonna’s global sales ? The chopard award is not reliable just in the case of Madonna? You can run,but you can’t hide.Facts doesn’t lies on what a sudden award could saying,but on real achievements.Mariah still the best ! BUTTERFLY says: June 6, 2011 at 12:11 pmMoff,how you dare compare Tane with me? I respect her opinion and what she believes.but that has nothing to do with me and my arguments.I know many Madonna fans that admit Mariah sold more than Madonna. You said that I am bold and foolish? What I could say about you Moff? Do you think that someone could ever become as foolish as Lucky Luke and you? You are the only two guys in this planet that spend more than a entire year by posting lies and craps to support female artists.Healthy guys debate about basket,Baseball,Soccer,polo,etc…,sex,girls,party,meeting,beach,video games,sport,etc… This is so sad for you to be so sick ! At least,you should be in the Michael Jackson VS Elvis Presley debate,or something like this…True and healthy boys that have Celine and Madonna to emulate as model,this is much more than foolish ! BUTTERFLY says: June 6, 2011 at 12:28 pmI don’t hate Celine and Madonna,all that I hate are their fanatics!.This is so banal and stupid to claim that a Madonna fan that admit Mariah has a better voice and is more talentuous than Madonna is objective.ouuugh!…LMAO !I recognize Celine’s superiority by entertain people more than Mimi.Also Madonna’s dancing and entertaining superiority over Mariah.Who could say I not objective??? They are only Madonna and celine’s fans that admit Mariah sold more records than both,that are really objective ! All others are subjective,but just use tricks to convince some lambs that are not sure enough about what they believe and know. I never insulted celine,Mariah or Madonna,only their fans ! All these has nothing to do with sales. MOFF says: June 6, 2011 at 12:37 pmWhere did you get all the information? A stupid person cannot do some research, sorry :DMadonna, Celine, Mariah !! BEST BUTTERFLY says: June 6, 2011 at 12:41 pmMimi is the greatest and the best selling female artist of all times ! Madonna,Whitney then Celine follow her and are all very great too ! MOFF says: June 6, 2011 at 2:06 pmTry it Trish,Celine has sold more than Mariah Carey. You are not a Mariah Carey fan! The Reason says: June 6, 2011 at 3:00 pm@ BUTTERFLYLMAO ! Still here contradicting with all Mariah sources ?LOL xDStill here throwing accusations about me on otherpeople ?Still here insulting me at both debates ?Still hehe posting LIES about me when everyone can readmy previous posts about saying Mariah sold MORE IN THE90s ? LOL Don’t you get ashamed for changing my words ?Manipulative Freak !!!I already EXPLAINED everything in detail. Denyingmy claims for your own reasons, doesn’t make me a liar.For instance, what could I do to prove that Celine’salbum is million seller in Brazil ? I posted 2 links onit. What else am I supposed to do ? I told you to visitBrazil’s certification system as well. What else could Isay ? I also mentioned Celine’s Latin Awards inresponse…Still not enough…So the problem is not me lying. The problem is you beingunable to face THE FACTS !Certifications are facts ! Awards are facts !WITH THESE BEING SAID :You said Mariah’s fragnances are more popular everywhereexept for Europe and Canada.………………………….Ok :-)I DARE YOU TO PROVE IT ! Come on ! I challenge you ! Doyou have the guts to go ahead ? Do you dare ?Show me how Mariah’s fragrances are more popular inthese places !Bring info or sources or grossing estimations !!!I love to see you being UNABLE to explain your theorieslike you did MULTIPLE times in the past ! Nowlies on parfumes are added to your previous lies about– critics that panned Celine’s nasality (LIE)– sources on Nana’s sales (LIE)– Mariah’s popularity in W.Indies (LIE)– Mariah singles certifications worldwide (LIE)– Mariah number 1s in Jamaica and Heiti (LIE)And yeah I called Mariah’s voice breathy ! Guess what !Critics REALLY PANNED Mariah’s voice.All Music Guide said about Charmbracelet :”What is a greater problem is that Mariah’s voice is shot, sounding in tatters throughout the record. Whenever she sings, there’s a raspy whistle behind her thin voice and she strains to make notes throughout the record. She cannot coo or softly croon, nor can she perform her trademark gravity-defying vocal runs. Her voice is damaged, and there’s not a moment where it sounds strong or inviting. That alone would be disturbing, but since the songs are formless and the production bland”Now stop refering to me and my posts, you psychopath ! BUTTERFLY says: June 7, 2011 at 9:51 amMoff,try again.Mariah Carey sold more than Madonna,Madonna more than Whitney,Whitney more than Celine !So it’s impossible that Celine could even equals Mariah,since even Madonna and Whitney outsold her.See ? Moff,youre not a Madonna and a Celine fan.You are a Lucky Luke fan ! BUTTERFLY says: June 7, 2011 at 10:10 amYou’re right Lucky Luke.You always proved your lies by crap links,but the question is not that you got a link or not to support a lie.The most important is that your arguments stay craps although many links support them.Celine’s Let’s talk About Love never reach million sales in Brazil,whatever your biased link show it or no.Celine and Madonna’s vocal range never equals or surpass Whitney’s,whatever said links.It would be not astonish that a link claim Susan Boyle’s voice equals or surpass Whitney’s or Mariah’s,but there is no need to check a link about it.Songs talk by themselves,otherwise,people would check what say a link about a song or a album before to buy it. Mariah sold much more singles than Celine and Lady gaga worldwide,not just 5 or 10 million.your links lie ! Mariah has much more Hits and popular songs in every countries worldwide than Celine.Keep saying that I lie.But your crap links can’t change those facts. I didn’t copy infos from Wikipedia,then increase them and bring them here,this is beyond me. Yes,Mariah’s fragrances are much more popular than Celine’s everywhere worldwide,except for Europe and Canada.I don’t have to prove it since you never proved your lies about Celine equals Mariah on singles sales at 1990’s and 2000’s, although I always question you and this a-hole called Moff about it.I dare you to prove it ! I dare you to prove Celine equals Mariah on singles,and outsold Mariah’s albums by 20 -30 million according to certifications ! I DARE YOU TO PROVE IT ! BUTTERFLY says: June 7, 2011 at 10:53 amMe too,I can bring many citations about Celine’s nasal voice. There is a big difference between some critics about an album and critics about the vocal potential of an artist.Mariah’s Charmbracelet album could be criticize as breathy because of whispering songs like Boy I Need You,Sunflowers,etc…But that doesn’t mean Mariah has a breathy voice.Go and listen to Mariah’s performance of My saving Grace at the Oprah Winfrey show in 2002,then her unique rendition of the national anthem The Star Spangled Banner.No other female singer could do the same.Nobody can’t say her voice was breathy.Yes she has some whisper songs from her 2000’s albums,but don’t try to destroy her vocal reputation by saying her voice is breathy.Mariah voice stay unreachable and sublime ! Celine’s nasality is different.I could say an endless songs and live performances in which Celine’s voice sound very nasal ! You try to take me down? You just can’t ! – critics that panned Celine’s nasality (TRUTH)– sources on Nana’s sales (TRUTH)– Mariah’s popularity in W.Indies (TRUTH)– Mariah singles certifications worldwide (TRUTH)– Mariah popular songs in West Indies ( Jamaica and Haiti,Republica Dominicana,etc…) (TRUTH)You already claim Celine has more Hits than Mariah at the 2000’s.I proved the opposite,you try to deny it by based you on Jamaica and haiti.You’re So delusional !-Let’s Talk About Love sold million in Brazil (LIE) -Celine equals Mariah on singles sales (only 5 million difference) (LIE) -Celine’s 1990 decade albums outsold Mariah’s (LIE) -Celine’s 2000 decade albums outsold Mariah’s (LIE) -Celine outsold Mariah’s albums by 25- 30 million (LIE) -Celine and Madonna has wider vocal rande than Whitney Houston (LIE) -Lady Gaga equals Mariah on worldwide singles sales (LIE) -Celine has more Hits worldwide than Mariah (LIE) -Celine also has influence Christina,Leona,Kelly,etc… (LIE) Only Mariah influenses these artists. I refer to you and your posts, only because these are all that Moff can find to repeat here.He’s not able to bring something by his own,only repeat your old craps, lies and theories. You really think that I am as psychopath as you? Don’t make this mistake,you are the champion on this ! The Reason says: June 7, 2011 at 12:15 pmIdiot bitch. You dare me to prove what ? You dare meto prove that Celine sold 5-10m singles below MC and20m+ albums more ? LOL ! That’s the point of the wholedebate you crazy cow. I have already shown certificationsand various sources and you don’t trust them. This isnot my fault. I can’t speak to a wall. I can’t talk toa person that trusts nothing. How come you dare askme to bring certifications when you have been lyingalready on certifications of Us albums ? (Saying Mariah’sdebut is Diamond and Daydream 11xP)How the hell am I supposed to speak logically about saleswith you when you knew NOTHING on Dvd certificationsand proudly declared 15m+ sales of DVDs for Mariah ?How could I ever talk about sales to the person thatjust repeats Mariah’s highest selling single soldover 10m copies and when I ask for the certificationsI get 0 answers ?How do you dare asking me to talk again with you aboutsales when you brought a few weeks ago a link aboutartists SINGLE sales in UK and used it to say Mariahsold 6m+ RECORDS in UK ! While her true sales there areover 13m records.You are not in position to demand any answers sinceyou have suprassed all levels of STUPIDITY by claimingyou don’t know Mariah’s Asian sales and then insistingthat she sold over 50m albums there, maybe 60m !How do you dare accusing my links as craps when it’sobvious you have 0 knowledge on sales ? Proved by thefact that you said Mariah sold over 50m albums in Europe,as a coclusion to the stupid UK link you brought !Your little mind thought = Celine equals Mariah in salesin Uk…therefore they are equal in whole Europe -.-‘Too bad the link was only about UK singles !How do you expect to believe the claims of a human beingyou hate (me) when you don’t trust all sources, media,labels and so on !Even if sources made mistakes … would they ever makemistakes of a famous singer for over 100m records thatis active the past 20 years, when certifications areclear ?How can you demand me to explain you Celine’s andMariah’s sales when you contradict with yourself ?Saying Celine sold over 145m at 2003 and then changingthat to below 130m by 2003 ?Aren’t you the same girl that used to say Mariah’sAIWFCIY sold over 20m and then changed to 10m+, stillwith no sources ?And instead of shuting you big ignorant mouth afterthese you keep attacking me with LIES !– YOU CAN’T BRING CITATIONS ON CELINE’S NASAL VOICEBEING PANNED !– YOU CAN’T BRING THE SINGLES THAT TOPPED CHARTS INJAMAICA AND HEITI !– YOU CAN’T PROVE MARIAH’S POPULARITY IN WEST INDIES !– YOU CAN’T BRING SOURCES ON NANA’S SALES !– YOU CAN’T PROVE MARIAH’ PARFUMES POPULARITY !Stop attacking me about Madonna’s range. Vocal Rangemeans nothing, unless these notes are sang ! And Madonnacan’t sing at all, barely 1 octave of her ”range”.That’s what I am saying ! The only thing I standcorrected is Gaga digital downloads. She hasn’t sold morethan MC.Now since you want to talk with me about singles,I accept your challenge, although you MISERABLY FAILEDto prove anything your LIES !Let’s take it one by one :Mariah Debut Singles :– Vision Of Love– Love Takes Time– Someday– I Don’t Wanna Cry– There’s Gotta Be A WayGo on bitch ! Bring their certifications and chart peaksand your estimations on these 5 singles and we talk onthese first and then we move on to others !You have no idea where you got yourself into :)I am waiting the chart success of these. We will do thatfor all Mariah’s singles discography till we find aresult and then we move on to Celine’s !Start with these 5 if you dare and don’t even think ofaccusing me again on lies cause NOTHING OF WHAT I SAYIS CREATED BY MY TEDENCY TO LIE ! You have a tedency tolie, with unsupported fake theories !Even lambs would diss you, bitch !I am waiting you claims on these 5 singles.* We will laugh * xD MOFF says: June 7, 2011 at 1:37 pmYou are sick, administrator please do the same like you did for TRISH !! tane says: June 7, 2011 at 7:32 pmwow! wow! wow! Trish well I think your butterfly anyway, I don’t believe your sources are true, I might have when I first stated debating but I got over your lies trish!:( im not being modest or mean I’m just telling you Mariah has sold less albums then Celine Dion only more singles!luky luke and moff tell the truth, at stages when I first started the debate I thought they were all fools but it turned out we were….haha anyway! do you see them mock Mariah like you do celine? they love Mariah as they say but hey I would have thought that was a lie to but I was wrong hahaha:)madonna celine mariah<3<3and isn’t it obvious Madonna out sells each of them? I don’t particularly like Madonna for what she mentioned and said about Mariah Carey but hey I have to admit the truth:)trish please don’t get the wrong idea, I’m just being honest with you:) The Reason says: June 8, 2011 at 12:51 amThanx for believing I love Mariah, Tane. I really do. Icould defend her real sales, her range, her techniqueher musicianship, her flexibility, her sexiness, herattitude and much more.As of TRISH sources you don’t believe them becausethey don’t exist ! LOLCan you imagine any normal source claiming 300m recordssales ? :P It’s so funny.TRISH actually hates both me and Moff forreplying to her, this is why she exagerates. There is noway she believes what she posts. She is just an angrykid that reacts to people she thinks are MC haters. MOFF says: June 8, 2011 at 5:24 amTane, you are absolutely right. What the what?? says: June 8, 2011 at 6:35 pm@Butterfly Learn how to read. Seriously, almost everything you accused me of lying, I didn’t say. I never said anything about Nana’s sales, except using it as an example of how you don’t give us any sources! LINKS! Not names of places you’ve seen it. MTV is not specific enough to be a source! Has Mariah’s perfumes sold over 500 million in retail prices? If so, give me the LINK! Let’s Talk About Love HAS sold 1 million in Brazil! “I don’t have to prove it since you never proved your lies about Celine equals Mariah on single sales at 1990’s and 2000’s” So Immature! What? You think that’s going to end this discussion? Or do you just want to continue because you have no life? And don’t just repeat it back to me, because that also proves you’re immature. You know how I know I have a life? Because I haven’t been in this discussion for a year! I know others have, but at least they have the nerve to prove it to us. I’m not doing this because I hate Mariah. I don’t hate her. I actually have her songs on my ipod. I’m doing this because apparently, someone here is a lunatic and things need to be straightened out! You also proved me right by coming back here! I don’t care if you haven’t commented on ALL of LuckyLuke’s posts. I care that you’ve been here for a year, and you still haven’t given any proofs about your info. What the what?? says: June 8, 2011 at 6:42 pmI didn’t say you blamed Celine’s voice. I said you blamed CRITICS for blaming her voice. They didn’t! Maybe, some of them prefer it not to be there in some songs, but they didn’t blame her for it at all. 300million albums??? That’s just so far from reality, I don’t even know what to say. Where does it say Mariah sold 300 million albums? I don’t care where you got it from. Even a biased site. Just give it to me! Because not one Mariah fanatic (excluding you) will say that! Oh, and by the way, I didn’t call you stupid. I said you sound stupid. BIG DIFFERENCE! tane says: June 8, 2011 at 7:07 pmwow thx guys!…:D The Reason says: June 9, 2011 at 12:03 am”Celine also has influence Christina,Leona,Kelly,etc… (LIE) Only Mariah influenses these artists”See how she said ”Only Mariah” ! ONLY Mariah ! ONLY !Do you get it people ? ? ? This girl CAN’T see anythingbeyond Mariah.@ BUTTERFLYMariah is their main influence for sure. But Celine influenced these as well. They have all stated it. Leona entered the X Factor auditions singing Celine’s ”My Heart Will Go On” and won the show singing ”All By Myself” (doing Celine’s version with the big note). She even tried to do a similar song to ”My Heart Will Go On” named ”I See You” for the Avatar film. Kelly Clarkson sang ”Think Twice” and ”I Surrender”. There is even a popdirt debate about Kelly’s comment that she loves Celine, but prefers Mariah above her. LOL Celine has influenced all these singers, but Mariah has a bigger influence on them. Still writing ”Only Mariah” proves who the biased liar is. Moreover, the whole vocal discussion issue is over,as I have already accepted that Mariah influenced more.POST 15 ! Learn to read !As of Celine’s range it is Bb2-E6 ! Whitney’s range is A2-C6 ! End of story. None of them ever sang a note below or above these. I am done talking about vocals and notes with someone that couldn’t mention which notes exactly make Celine’s range 2.7 octaves -.-‘ You couldn’t mention the notes because you lied and because you don’t know sh** on notes. So use your brain for once and STOP accusing me about topics YOU ignore !!!@ EveryoneDon’t ask links from Trish. 1)No links will ever provethe 300m records myth 2)In the past she LIED that shetrusted magazines and once I posted magazines thatdeclared Celine as the highest seller she called thembiased 3) She ONLY used to visit Wikipedia and copypaste info from the site and then inflate them with thefake excuse that Wikipedia hates on MC. – Mariah’s pagein Wikipedia is controled by her management team though.That means her managers hate her xD – LOLI explain everything on her ”copy paste” games atthe ”Mariah VS Madonna” popdirt debate.Here :popdirt.com/top-selling-female-artist-madonna-or-mariah-carey-part-3/81343/Check post 235. Butterfly says: June 10, 2011 at 5:31 pmCeline doesn’t influence them.They just sing some of her songs.They never use any Celine techniques in their songs unlike Mariah’s and Whitney’s.No one ever notice one of these singers using vocals similar to Celine’s.And Charice’s main influence is Mariah Carey.Charice had covered song from Whitney ,so she’s also influenced from Whitney.II divo are influenced by Mariah Carey and Whitney Houston as well as Celine. The Reason says: June 10, 2011 at 6:47 pmCharice’s main influence is Celine.youtube.com/watch?v=241-cCYipZUCeline influenced all these artists and this is whythey choose to sing her songs. Would I ever choose tosing Justin Timberlake since I don’t like him ? Wouldyou, little Trish, ever sing a Madonna song ? or aCeline (ugliest clown on earth) song ? LOLIl Divo have never mentioned Mariah as an influece. Theyhave just shown their huge respect to Celine – but thatdoesn’t make Celine an influence for them.”No one ever notice one of these singers using vocals similar to Celine’s”Big Lie ! Their cover versions were pretty much likeKaraoke. They copied Celine’s notes. Second the wholeargument is a joke and invalid because having an artistas an influence doesn’t mean you have to IMITATE his/hersinging. For example, Xtina’s main influence is Mariah.Still, she doesn’t really use similar style ortechniques to Mariah. Her whistles are thin, her beltsthroaty and strained, her runs a total mess and she justscreams, in her atempt to sound soulful. Mariah neverdoes any of these. According to the way you think, thatwould mean Christina is not really influenced by MC. Soyour argument is a total fail.And of course you can’t prove how Il Divo are influencedby MC, since this is another HUGE LIE but ok… Ialready know you posted that to piss me off. But I am soused to all this. :)You forgot to mention gay guys, Aids and uglyness on thispost dear. Don’t make mistakes like these. LMAO BUTTERFLY says: June 10, 2011 at 6:59 pmTane,I have no problem with you and what you believe.But you are wrong to state that my arguments are lies.Tane,please,can you tell me how many singles Celine sold at the 1990’s compare with Mariah’s? Can you tell me how many singles Celine sold at the 2000’s compare with Mariah’s ? Tane,can you ever show me how Celine’s albums could surpass Mariah’s by 20 – 30 million??? Tane,listen to me.Links lies and doesn’t give the truth !For exemple. Do you think that Celine’s The Colour Of My Love surpass Mariah Carey album when both totalize 10 million from US and Europe.Do you think that just the Canadian and Australian sales of TCOML could make it surpass MC’s that sold much more in the whole Asian continent? Do you really need a link to confirm this ? Do you need a link to confirm you that TEOM surpass A New Day Has Come on sales since their US + Europe sales give 7 million for TEOM and 6 million for ANDHC although we already know that TEOM surpass ANDHC in Asia ? Tane ,MTV Unplugged EP already sold 5 million worldwide shortly after its release in 1992.Celine Dion album was at 2 million sales worldwide since 1993.These haters said 6 – 7 million for MTV while they claim the same for CD eponymous album.Unison was stay at million sale wordwide till 1995.They claim 5 million worldwide for its today sales.When its come to Mariah,they limited her sales at the same sales they were at their release. But every Celine’s are increased by 2 or 3 times the less,even her flopped albums that are not popular at all.THis is the tricks that used to explain Celine’s 1990’s albums surpass Mariah’s cause they were counted by late.Do you really swallow this bullsh**? Tane,Celine has just 1 biggest album rival of Mariah ‘s that surpass one of Mariah at 1990’s.This is Let’s Talk About Love that surpass Daydream. Music Box equals Falling Into You.All others Mariah’s 1990’s surpass all Celine’s 1990’s albums.No matter what claim links,sources,lists,ranks,Institutions,etc… Mariah’s 1990 albums surpass Celine’s ! Now Tane,how could you explain Celine outsold Mariah by 25- 30 million albums ? Do you believe it just because you read it on some links? You are wrong my dear.Celine doesn’t surpass Mariah even by 5 – 10 million album.Wake up ! The Reason says: June 10, 2011 at 7:07 pmJust to make it clear. Il Divo are not really influencedby any of these as they are pop-opera singers, whichhas nothing to do with what Celine, Mariah and Whitneysing. It is more likely to have Luciano Pavarotti orAndrea Boceli as an influence but definitely NOTpop/rnb singers.Think Mariah as an influence is a big joke. They don’tuse any of Mariah’s singing styles.– They Don’t Use Melisma– They Don’t Use Vocal Runs at all– They Don’t try to sound rnb or soul.– They belong to a different genre.– No of them uses the lower register often.– They don’t use Mariah’s style of playing with notes,(up and down) like she did on ”O Holy Night” forinstance.They obviously have much respect for these women sothey coverd their songs. Showing respect has nothing todo with influence.– As I already explained that’s not the case withLeona and Kelly singing Celine songs because theyactually didn’t own their versions. They used theexact same notes, belted at the exact same pointsand sustained notes at the parts where Celine did so.Their versions were Karaoke-ish. Moreover both of themhave mentioned Celine is a vocal influence. – Just notto the level Mariah is.I made everything clear now. Only a dumbass wouldn’tget my points. :D BUTTERFLY says: June 10, 2011 at 7:24 pm@What the What: This is not you that could say me what to do.Are you a judge? Why do you still after my post ? Very dear,if you got brain,you should know that IFPI doesn’t give proofs for its claims on Nana 200 million albums.this is not me you can accuse.You must question IFPI lies ! Not my arguments that brought light on this ! You just try to trap me,but you are wrong.I just show IFPI lies on Nana’s sales ! Who could say that I am wrong ??? I you think that I was wrong,just prove Nana’s 200 million albums sales worldwide.End Of Story … At least,MTV is a musical institution,but what do you say about Guinness that have nothing to do with sales count? Besides,I never based my solid arguments on MTV,I am not stupid. I don’t have to give you any link,since I don’t base my arguments on “links” but on facts.links doesn’t mean “facts”,links biase facts very often. If Let’s Talk About Love HAS sold 1 million in Brazil,Music Box sold 10 million in that country! This is so simple. About what I said “I don’t have to prove it since you never proved your lies about Celine equals Mariah on single sales at 1990’s and 2000’s” I didn’t adress this to you,but to Lucky Luke.So,let him answer to me by is own cause I don’t want to answer to his lawyers ,ok? You are most Immature than me when you come here to defend Lucky Luke and other Mariah’s haters without even try to use a little bit of neutrality ! My life is my own problem,don’t worry about it.You’d better worried about yours and your allies.ok?You are not enough to dissed me.Try again.Your opinion is just stupid and silly ! Butterfly says: June 10, 2011 at 7:43 pmChristian is imitating Mariah ! She does exactly the same vocals than Mariah in many of her songs !She just can”t reach Mariah’s perfection,but she emulates her. Her uns sounds like Mariah’s.And many of her belts sounds just like Whitney’s ! You try to confound us,cause Christina can’t reach Mariah’s vocals at 100 % !Maybe you just hate Christina Aguilera, Anyway,her voice and sing skills are 100 times better than Celine’s.She’s closest to Mariah in voice than Celine,sorry liar. Butterfly says: June 10, 2011 at 7:48 pmAbourt Charice ,a phillipian poster said us that MC is Charice’s influence.That’s is way mor e reliable than anything you could find in the internet. The Reason says: June 10, 2011 at 7:58 pmLEARN HOW TO READ ! You talked about styles.I never questioned Mariah’s influence on Xtina.Celine could slay Christina vocally anytime. Christinadoesn’t sing notes, she strains them. Why would I hateChristina ? She can’t reach Celine and Mariah – myfaves – on any level.Stop asking people questions and prove us how MC sells300m records, when ALL Sources show 200-220m the most.You are the one who contradicts so the burden of prooffalls on your side. You claim 200m for Celine and I say230m, so no big deal on that. This difference of 30mseems indiferent and irrelevant if you put it next tothe 80m difference on MC sales. THAT’S THE PROBLEM HERE.YOU LYING BIG TIME ON MARIAH’S SALES ! AND DENYING ALLREAL FACTS OF HER CAREER.You don’t trust links but facts ?Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha !!!What Facts ? DEFINE the word ”Fact” and then bringyour ”facts” if you dare.No need to repeat that I contradict with no sources.No need to repeat I have proved almost everything butyou just choose to ignore them.Once again ! GIVE THE DEFINITION OF ”FACTS” ANDBRING THEM HERE. LOLKeep amusing me !And if we had to say something on your life the bestthing we could do to describe it would be to saynothing. Pure silence. As you don’t have a real life.You live like a psycho parasite. LMAO ! Nobody herereally cares about you and none of my fave singers wouldever care to reply to you since they don’t give a sh**on your sad existence. The Reason says: June 10, 2011 at 8:06 pm”a phillipian poster said us that MC is Charice’s influence”Ha ha ha ! WHAT A LIE ! Who the fu** is he ?Anything I find on the internet ? Internet ?Wake up ! It is a video from Oprah show. Oprah Showis in REAL LIFE !!!Open you ears to hear what Charice said that night. Lookhow she cried once she saw Celine on screen. Open youreyes to see the painting she did, showing herself andCeline huging each other. See how many times she hasbeen covering Celine songs. Her fave song ever is aCeline song.You are dead and gone, bitch. The Reason says: June 10, 2011 at 8:17 pm”If Let’s Talk About Love HAS sold 1 million in Brazil,Music Box sold 10 million in that country! This is so simple.”If Music Box sold 10m in that country then Lets TalkAbout sold 30m in that country.Look at you. How pathetic. Denying even Celine’sMillion certifications. LMAO. What a weirdo. What the what?? says: June 10, 2011 at 8:30 pmWho are you to tell me I can’t reply on posts that are not directed to me? YOU have been doing this for a year. Again, you ignored my questions for you. Once more, learn HOW to read! I have never said ANYTHING about Nana’s sales. I used it as an example from one of YOUR posts! MTV was just an example dear. If links are biased, then where do you get your infos from? You also claimed that magazines are biased! You say you just state the facts, nothing from links, but you have to get your infos from SOMEWHERE! From your imagination? I’M immature? You’re the one who keeps on insulting everyone, even Mariah fans, when they admit Celine has sold more than her! “If Let’s Talk About Love HAS sold 1 million in Brazil,Music Box sold 10 million in that country!”PLEASE tell me how this makes sense at all?!?!? You have used this logic numbers of times, and yet it has never made any sense! Why am I still after your posts? Why are YOU still here? This is only my third post, when you must have posted at least 100 posts! I have already answered that question in my other 2 posts! You say I’m not enough to diss you. And this is coming from someone who can’t prove their “facts”, who can’t answer any of the questions given to her, and who keep giving us multiple answers for every question! The Reason says: June 10, 2011 at 8:47 pmStill waiting for the definition of the word FACTS.Once someone uses a word they must be in position to explain it.Still waiting for sales estimations and certifications of Mariah’s first 5 singels to begin the whole singles debate. So don’t say I try to avoid the topic. I am here and totally ready to prove my statements. But we will do it step by step.Now you go first. I am clear :1) Explain FACTS.2) Bring Certifications & Estimations on singles fromMariah debut. Butterfly says: June 10, 2011 at 8:53 pmChristina sings notes way better than Celine.She has much more vocal techniques than Celine and outsang her effortless. I repeat,links are not facts.How a link could mean a fact? Check an encyclopedia for the meaning of the word if you don’t know it,this is not mem that is allowed to give you its meaning! The Reason says: June 10, 2011 at 8:53 pmI am still laugh at how you are ready to swalloweverything that ”proves” Mariah’s superiority.Once someone said he is from Philipines you just BELIEVEDall his facts. When official sources and media postthe truth they lie. LMAO How biased. Believing a personbehind a PC while being sceptic on all sources, justbecause it seems convinient.No need to mention that another person claimed to befrom Philipines and called Mariah a pig and totallyflopped and uknown there.See POST 67. Do you also believe that guy fromPhilipines like you believed the other one ?I bet you don’t, cause it is not convinient anymore,right ?LOL You are a pathetic biased sad excuse for a fan. BUTTERFLY says: June 10, 2011 at 9:33 pmCeline has just more success than Christina, and is also older but Christina has a better voice by very far ! Your preference toward Celine can’t change this ! About Charice The fact is that Celine as zero influence on her ! Charice just like her .Celine just had a few artists that respect her ,and that perform some good songs created by composers and producers, that Celine had perform before them . You said nobody cares about what I said ,I don’t care about them as well.I post my posts in the blog,that’s all.I don’t post them because of anyone.Besides,why do you have to reply since nobody cares about what I said ? You just want to lose your time here ?Is this Because you have no life? How a normal guy that have a life could ever stand behind he’s pc everyday,everytime by posting lies and craps.That’s what you call having a life? Yes,Let’s Talk About Love could sold 30 million in Brazil only in the links,since Brazilian people doesn’t know Celine at all,neither her music.But in the reality,only Mariah Carey sold impressive amount of albums there for being known and popular there ! Celine’s achievements stay in links while Mariah’s are in the concret reality ! I prefer being a bitch,rather than having Celine’s life.What meaning got a woman life without love? Poor Celine,she’s extremely rich,but still ignore the true feelings of love and sex…LMAO ! How a woman could ever be in love with an old ,delicate and sick man? The Reason says: June 10, 2011 at 9:55 pmTell me which facts you trust. You used the word so youexplain it to me.Go on and bring certifications and estimations onMariah’s debut singles so we talk on single sales.Christina doesn’t sing. She screams with a high larynxposition which indicates straining. She uses unhealthytechnique. Celine could slay her anytime. Christinauses her throat to hit simple B4 notes. Pathetic.But I guess you don’t understand what I am explaining.Charice is influenced by Celine and I have proved it.She said it herself. Did you see the video or not ?The video is from real life.I don’t know WHY THE FU** you insist on that sinceI have said many many many times that Mariah has abigger vocal influence.Celine is in love with Rene as she even gave up hercareer in 1999/2000 to stand by him. Her life is fullof love, happiness and positivity.Your life is full of hatred towards people.If you had a normal life you wouldn’t feel the need tomock artists.If you were smart you would first try to educate yourselfYou can’t even speak proper English, which is THEUniversal language. How pathetic.Your life choice is to be here and post crap, while youhad the chance to improve yourself. Still you prefer tolive like a psychotic uneducated animal. The fact thatyou insult Celine makes you Celine’s bitch, nothing moreor less. Beside being Celine’s bitch, you are alsoMariah’s goat (not lamb really!) as you said Mariah soldover 200m albums, while posting 160m+ per country.How silly. You don’t even know maths. :/ Poor thing.Hope you lose your virginity soon. :) You will calm down.???? ??? ??????? ???? ??????? ! <3 The Reason says: June 10, 2011 at 10:10 pm@ what the whatYou have been owning that stupid whale’s ass. I thinkI could retire if I new you’d be around here. LOLLook how she avoids answering… I LOVE IT WHEN SHEDOES THAT. PROVES SHE CAN’T REPLY. THIS FEELING ISPRICELESS. She has been avoiding my questions sinceAugust. LOL Sometimes I feel sorry for her :( butwhat can I do…I have to be harsh with idiots.School her ! BUTTERFLY says: June 10, 2011 at 11:31 pmCeline can’t reach Christina’s notes,don’t lie on this since everyone can listen on their respective songs.Christina’s belts are not as predictable and inflexible as Celine’s.Christina also have much better soft notes than Celine.No matter if she screams with a large larynx since her belts and high notes sound straight and amazing unlike Celine’s that screams with her nose and that sound so nasal and so stiff! Christina is way better ! About virginity? You consider virginity as a handicap? I don’t think so.Even if I am not virgin,I consider it as a precious gift.Maybe you consider it as a handicap because you’re still a virgin that is so frustrated and so angry against normal people.Fortunately,I have no problem on that,dont worry.Celine still virgin till the time she gave birth to Rene-Charles,since she never ever get a sexual intercourse with a man during her whole life.She has just her money and her Awards to hug and kiss! BUTTERFLY says: June 11, 2011 at 3:41 amI am the one who takes and assume everything I wrote here, without the need to be criticized by anybody else.I do it when I want and while.No matter if I do it for a year,10 years,100 years,etc…This is my problem,not yours. Who are you to dare reprimand me? Who are you to reply on posts that are not directed to you ? I have been doing this for a year.SO WHAT ??? What is your problem on this? Who said that Mariah has sold 300 million albums ? Learn how to read yourself before to jump on people then spread your critic material. About links,yes I assume that most of them are biased ( every links used by Mariah’s haters here).Infos already existed before internet and links! Mariah’s haters themselves always refute the few links giving by a few lambs in that debate,saying they are biased.I don’t trust any info (not just links) that is based on estimation.This is so easy to be partial and subjective when a info is just based on estimations.That’s why I always claim Mediatrafic,IFPI,Billboard,etc… are not reliable since their datas lies on estimations.I even gave many proves about some huge mistakes and partialities that huge institutions like IFPI and Guinness already did at the past.That’s why I refered to Nana’s sales.There is a HUGE difference between a institution that count sales and certifies albums and singles sales based on their real counts and some institutions that certifies albums and singles just on some estimations base.I don’t remember that I’d ever express myself about magazines. I insult people when they want to impose me their own arguments as established facts while they even refuse to understand mines that they claim coming from my imagination.You first called me immature,but I think that you are.Otherwise,you should show much more neutrality on what you say about my posts and those of my opponents.I didn’t insult Mariah’s fans, when they admit Celine has sold more than her! There is only one Mariah fan in that debate that claim Celine outsold Mariah in albums,this is Tane.I never insulted Tane,even when she returns with her arguments.Tane herself can’t say that I ever insulted her.She’s the only one regular Mariah fan (after me)that still post comments in the debate.So,don’t accuse me to insult Mariah’s fans,I am not stupid. About the brazilian sales of Let’s Talk About Love,I return you your question : “PLEASE tell me how this makes sense at all?!?!? ” I check many differnt sources,but never,ever I didn’t see LTAL reach million sales in Brazil ! This is so funny ! I am sure that already exist a link claiming 30 million sales for this album in Brazil as said the other hater… Why I’m still here? You’d better question the other debaters this same question,I am not the only one debater here.Why they are still here ? Why do you question me about it? This is an examination? Who are you ? Maybe this is only your third post, when I must have posted at least 100 posts! But,I am not the only one that have posted at least 100 posts ! Why do you question me like this ? This is a debate about Celine Dion and Mariah Carey.What do you want from me ? Yes,I said that you are not enough to diss me.You have a problem with it ? You said “this is coming from someone who can’t prove their “facts”, who can’t answer any of the questions given to her, and who keep giving us multiple answers for every question!” “giving us” So,you identify you clearly as one of my opponents.So,how could you adress me your nil critics? You are not better than them. First,I always prove everything I claim here unlike “your allie” that try to reduce every facts on crap links. Second,you are not in the place to judge about my arguments and posts since you clearly identify you as a opponent. Let me tell you very dear,find something else to do,cause your little speech doesn’t impress me at all. MOFF says: June 11, 2011 at 11:28 amIt’s you who are going on my nerves. You gave NO proofs. Which sources do you trust at all? Tell me?I have mediatraffic, IFPI, Guinness and particular links.You ? What the what?? says: June 11, 2011 at 11:44 amRead post 101, where YOU clearly say that Mariah sold 300 million. You keep contradicting with yourself and you don’t even know it! I’m STILL waiting for your answer on the perfumes. You said in post 322 in the continuation of this discussion that “Mariah’s perfume Lollipop Bling is nominated for Fifi Award ! Any Celine perfume hadn’t nominated !” LEt me list all the awards won or nominated for Celine’s fragrances from her first to last.2004 FiFi Award for Women’s Fragrance of the Year – Popular Appeal (Celine Dion Parfums) 2004 Cosmetic Executive Women Beauty Award for Women’s Scent (Celine Dion Parfums) 2006 FiFi Award for Women’s Fragrance of the Year – Popular Appeal (Celine Dion Belong) 2006 FiFi Award for Best Packaging – Women’s Popular Appeal (Celine Dion Belong) 2007 FiFi Award for Women’s Fragrance of the Year – Popular Appeal (Always Belong) 2007 FiFi Award for Best Packaging – Women’s Popular Appeal (Always Belong) 2007 French Fragrance Industry – Best Female Fragrance Launch in Mass Distribution in 2006 (Enchanting) 2008 FiFi Award for Women’s Fragrance of the Year – Popular Appeal (Enchanting) 2008 Shape of Beauty Aware for Mood Boosting Fragrance of the Year (Sensational) 2009 FiFi Award for Women’s Fragrance of the Year – Popular Appeal (Sensational) You said Billboard was one that couldn’t be trusted, but on the continuation of this discussion, you kept reffering to some of your facts to Billboard! If YOU don’t think it’s not my buisness to ask you why you reply on posts that are not directed to you, then it shouldn’t be your buisness asking me! STOP CONTRADICTING WITH YOURSELF!! Yes, facts can come from somewhere besides links or magazines, but you have to get it somewhere? What? Did you call Mariah’s and Celine’s labels and ask them their records? Give me a name! JUST a name of where you got this from! You don’t insult Mariah fans? Oh really? Posts 72 and 76. READ IT! There you go again! You checked many sources and couldn’t find 1 million sold in Brazil! What were the sources?!?!?! I found it on my first search! Why am I still here? I have answered that question TWICE! I don’t think you can read. And you’re no better than us! “Second,you are not in the place to judge about my arguments and posts since you clearly identify you as a opponent.” And you are clearly not in the place to judge about my arguments and posts, and for that matter, any of the replies posted by Celine fans because you identify YOURSELF as an opponent! You have said you don’t hate Celine! But then why do you keep calling her offensive naes? Like Ugline Oldion?? You see, calling names makes you look like a bigger fool than you already are! Might want to learn a bit more English dear. The Reason says: June 11, 2011 at 11:46 am‘No matter if she screams with a large larynx since her belts and high notes sound straight and amazing”-> Music theory proves you wrong. Singing with a highlarynx = 0 resonance , strain and harms vocal cords. AndChristina does that on simple Bb4 notes. Celine neverstrains unless she reaches the E5 notes. You know nothingon music theory. And what you said ”screaming = straightand amazing belts” confirms my theory and gives an endto vocal discussion.”Celine still virgin till the time she gave birth to Rene-Charles,since she never ever get a sexual intercourse with a man ”-> Yes, that makes you sound normal.”This is my problem,not yours”-> Yes, it is a big problem and I am free to mention itas much as I like. If you don’t like hearing about it,do something to change it. Othewise, you have to toleratemy comments somehow.”I don’t trust any info (not just links) that is based on estimation”-> You are a big liar, cause you have been doing nothingbut bringing your own inflated estimations. So don’tLIE to us that you don’t trust estimations. Wikipediaestimations has been your only weapon for over a year.LIAR.”they claim coming from my imagination”-> I am sorry but it is pretty much logical thinking youcreate stuff since you have been asked in a POLITE way(initially) to post your references and you can’t. Ofcourse it is a result of your imagination saying MCsold over 40m or 50m or 60m albums in Asia, AFTER you hadclearly said you didn’t know sh** on her Asian sales.”There is only one Mariah fan in that debate that claim Celine outsold Mariah”And 95% of lambs in real life admit that. Just check herFAN MADE sites. They exist even per country. Peopledon’t have a problem on this cause it is not a big deal.Or check her management teams acclaims, the ones MC andwhole media world and industry accept.”I check many differnt sources,but never,ever I didn’t see LTAL reach million sales in Brazil ! ”Ok. Mention me 3 of these ”many” sources. I bet youcan’t cause you lied, like you had lied about checkingsources on Nana’s sales. But you see I am being niceright ? You said ”many” and I only ask for 3 :)”I always prove everything I claim here.”No, you don’t. We are not a team of idiots to tell youyou haven’t proved a thing. How do you dareusing the word ”prove” when you claim 200m albumscontradicting with all sources ? and ok you don’t trustsources, I see. How do dare to say you proved everythingwhen you used to post 160m sales per market and that ischanged to 200m ? 40m is a HUGE difference by the way. Ihave been repeating this and you keep avoiding it.– To put is simple : I have an OPEN MIND to understandpeople that don’t trust sources because many of theseREALLY make mistakes. What I DON’T understand is havinga person LYING that what her posts are the result ofresearching the facts. That is a big lie ! And I meanLIE ! NO FACT PROVE MARIAH’S SALES. Simple as that.As of your insults…mentioning AIDS ? Attacking Gays ?Attacking Age ? Attacking personal choices of women thatnever harmed you ? You can’t drop any lower than this.Only people having personal problems and insecuritieshave the tedency to mock and insult. Sorry…And by the way…her ”little speech” owned you.Like usual. The Reason says: June 11, 2011 at 1:02 pm@ EveryoneI had already replied on Celine’s Fragrances Awards andNominations on POST 5. Someone can’t read…orcomprehend.Celine in 00s :– Sold Over 7.000.000 high priced tickets in 6 years.– Grossed over $522.000.000 from concerts.– Made over $226.000.000 from album sales.– Grossed $850.000.000 in parfumes.– Sold 4m+ Dvds from 2007-2011.– Currently she has the biggest contract for anentertainment live deal in music history. Grossed$14.000.000+ by doing 20 sold out recidency shows.– She has a strong, stable contract with Sony Bmg.– Her shows for early 2012 are already on sales.FACTS people. Real FACTS.latimesblogs.latimes.com/music_blog/2010/01/celine-dion-reaches-peak-of-the-decades-ultimate-top-10.html BUTTERFLY says: June 11, 2011 at 2:18 pmI don’t understand,why do you answer to me Moff ? Did I adress a post to you? Are you under What The What nickname? How could you said “It’s you who are going on my nerves.”??? Is this a plot against me? You still repeat I gave no proofs,but which sources did you give ? Sorry Moff,IFPI and Mediatric doesn’t count sales,they are based on estimations.I have RIAA that really count sales in US! IFPI even doesn’t count sales in Europe while it make statements on worldwide sales of artists…LMAO ! This is so delusional !Learn how to read my dear.In my post 101,I meant 300 record sales for Mimi,(200 million albums and 100 million Singles)not 300 million albums.I didn’t contradict with myself.If you had really read my comments you would seen that I always demand 200 million albums for Mariah,not 300 million ones.Now,who have the need to learn how to read ? Surely not me ! You are STILL waiting for my answer on the perfumes? Hahaha ! You are so funny ! What do you could prove else after Celine’s perfumes? Her Show at Las Vegas ? Dear honey,this debate is about Musical achievements.If you don’t have any achievement to prove your idol worth something,don’t try to take advantage on her perfumes,ok? When I said Celine doesn’t have a nominated perfume,I talked for the year 2011,not on the past ! This is so hopeless to stay on this.Perfumes sales doesn’t includes on musical records sales.ok? You prove one more time that you don’t know how to read.I said Billboard is reliable in the case of Charts,but not on the sales question since Billboard doesn’t count sales.It make estimation like IFPI and Mediatrafic. Yes I refered to Mariah’s achievements and records at Billboard ( Number 1 hits,her records by producing and composing songs)! BUTTERFLY says: June 11, 2011 at 2:36 pmFacts can be explain only by relevant certifications.(RIAA certifications,World Music Award per album)Not a sudden award like the delusional Chopard Award,or some foolish IFPI and Guinness citations. You are really funny to call the delusional ones of posts 72 and 73 ” Mariah fans” I am not stupid.I can recognize a Mariah fan by just he’s first comment.Only Tane is a Mariah fan here since Momo,Carla,Gambit,Shannon,etc… Besides,how can you say that I insulted those debaters ( 72 and 73) I await you to show me how I insulted them ! You really need to learn how to read my dear ! You really proved that you are worse than me on reading ! BUTTERFLY says: June 11, 2011 at 3:40 pmDon’t confound me,I said that I never see Let’s Talk About Love reach million sales in Brazil.Not that Celine doesn’t totalize million sales there. I never judge Celine fans posts,I just refute some arguments and lies posted by them.Then posted true datas and sales. I don’t hate Celine and I didn’t insult her.Calling her ugly and old is not mad since she really is in facts ! You called me fool? Hahaha! you are more fool than me by jumping in the debate when you don’t even understand nothing on what is discussed here. About my english,don’t worry,this is not my native language.At least,I am able to take part in this blog in .I don’t think that you could ever integrate a french language blog or a danish language one.I also read and wrote Spanish and german languages.Don’t ridiculize my English cause I am way better than you in different languages mastered ! MOFF says: June 11, 2011 at 4:14 pmSo you trust RIAA and World Music Award, then tell me please how do you “form” the sales of Mariah by these 2 sources. Do it, please. BUTTERFLY says: June 11, 2011 at 4:17 pmBlablabla…Dear Lucky Luke,you just make people laugh when you think that you are an expert just because you use some technical terminologies…Bb4 notes,E5 notes,blabla…You just fail. Christina is way better than Celine as vocalist.Celine couldn’t do even the half of what Christina is able to do.Delusional fanatic ! face the reality.Christina go higher and lower than Celine.Moreover,she has a much more flexible voice and a much more wider vocal range.Using words as bb2, E5 notes can’t make Celine better.Sorry,even if I prefer celine’s songs,I am objective enough to say that Christina has a better voice than Celine. Besides,who cares if Celine use larynx,if Celine use her nose,etc… in songs? What is matter is the vocal quality of songs and Christina’s songs have a better quality than Celine’s.This is all the truth.”Celine still virgin till the time she gave birth to Rene-Charles,since she never ever get a sexual intercourse with a man ”This is not by my fault if Celine doesn’t know what is called love and sex.Don’t blame me honey.So,move on this.You can say anything you want about your crap accusations on Wikipedia,etc…I have nothing to justify since all my arguments lies on truth ! DON’T DARE CALL ME LIAR ! OK ? Anyway I could never equal you on lies and tricks ! you are the deserving champion Lucky Luke. Yes,there is only Tane that claim Celine outsold Mariah in this debate. In real life 99% of Celine’s fans admit that Mariah surpass her on everything,including records sales !I said no institution doesn’t count Mariah’s sales in the whole asia continent.Then,I state that Mariah sold over 50 million albums in Asia according to her huge popularity and success there.What is hurting you on this ? You said that ; “I don’t have a problem on this cause it is not a big deal.” So,why do you still fight with me about this and never stopped to post comments?About Nana’s sales.I was more than right.She has’nt even crap sources and partial links to support her delirium sales unlike Madonna and Celine that have so much.otherwise,you would be more than happy tobring them here and prove me wrong. All of you are delusional here ! The Reason says: June 11, 2011 at 5:23 pm”If you had really read my comments you would seen that I always demand 200 million albums for Mariah”-> BIG LIE. Your sales per markets stated Mariahsold 160m albums+”Dear honey,this debate is about Musical achievements”-> No. This debate is about success. Everything thatproves their success is relevant.”World Music Award per album”LMAO. How manipulative. Celine’s award was NOT suudden.Everything is explained.”I said that I never see Let’s Talk About Love reachmillion sales in Brazil”-> You said none of your sources showed 1m in Brazilfor this album. And you don’t mention the sources.Fell in your trap again ? Yes.”Christina is way better than Celine as vocalist.Celine couldn’t do even the half of what Christina is able to do”-> No. Celine slays Christina in singing. Aren’t you thesame idiot that said straining is powerful singing ? Yes.Dismissed.And the notes I know are part of my music knowledge. Youlack any music information so you stop right here.”Vocal Quality in songs” Oh you are really stupid.Everything Christina can do, Celine can do it better withno strain, double resonance, without hurting her vocalcords and sounding like a female not a man. It is not bychance Celine uses her instrument for over 32 years. Ifher singing technique was bad – or worse than Xtina’s –she couldn’t sing a single note.”This is not by my fault if Celine doesn’t know what is called love and sex. Don’t blame me honey.So,move on this.”LMAO ! Show us your pic, bitch to see how beautiful are.”You can say anything you want about your crap accusations on Wikipedia,etc…I have nothing to justify since all my arguments lies on truth !”Silly accusations ? No. I proved my point giving manyarguments at the other debate. Once you were called outon sth you could only reply based on the limitedWikipedia info. #EXPOSED”DON’T DARE CALL ME LIAR ! OK ?”Ouch. Well..You are a big fat manipulative lying freak.”In real life 99% of Celine’s fans admit that Mariah surpass her on everything,including records sales !”LMAO– The industry awarded Celine.– The media hail Celine.– The press writes on Celine.– Mariah’s labels and sites and managers say she sold 200m.– All sources on internet show Celine ahead.LOL Funny how Celiniacs tell the opposite ! xa xa xa !Maybe you should take a look at how many people have beendissing your total bullacrap. I could mention 15.”I said no institution doesn’t count Mariah’s sales in the whole asia continent.Then,I state that Mariah sold over 50 million albums in Asia according to her huge popularity and success there”You have a weak memory. You said you don’t know and thenrepeated your fake estimations. And you can’t supportyour thought to huge ”popularity and success”because this is what we need to prove : her success.Ok imbecill ?About Nana’s sales : The issue is that you LIED that youtrusted sources. You followed 0 sources, just yourdeluded mind as usual and then LIED that you did yourresearch.And for your info…neither Mariah does have crap sourcesto support your delirium. #FAILFinally —> Me saying 230m for Celine and you 200m forher is not big deal and in case you haven’t noticed Ihaven’t insisted that much on this. The problem is YOUsaying Mariah sold 300m. I have at least 7 sources thatsay the opposite. Mariah’s sources, I mean. The onesshe accepts as well. So the burden of proof falls onyour side. Think of it. The Reason says: June 11, 2011 at 5:34 pmYour arguments don’t lie on truth. Everything you postis the result of your sick mind. Do us a favour andrun loose on a freeway, bitch. What the what?? says: June 11, 2011 at 6:28 pmOops, I meant sales records. Either way, it’s way off. Think before you speak. English is my second language too. And I could say the same to you, saying “I don’t think that you could ever integrate a Japanese language blog.I also read and write in Spanish and french languages.Don’t ridiculize my English cause I am way better than you in different languages mastered!” this is all in your words, taking out the languages you wrote in. And I will repeat what The Reason said. Define fact! Looking ugly and old is not a fact, but an opinion. True datas and sales? And yet you can’t give me ONE simple source??? You keep ignoring all my questions directed to you but you can answer some questions given to you by someone else? You’re telling me I need to read? You can’t even properly read the right posts I gave you to read. And I can tell if someone hates or is a fan of Celine. And you’re a hater. This is not just about musical achievements. If it was, you wouldn’t have brought up anything about Celine’s love life. Actually, this doesn’t even have ANYTHING with her success. Don’t assume anything. Because you are so wrong. I bet you don’t even have a bf. You gotta read better. You posted the post that talked about perfumes in 2010. Obviously, you couldn’t have talked about 2011. You’re really embarrassing yourself here! Yeah yeah, I’m embarrassing myself. Such a stupid comeback. What the what?? says: June 11, 2011 at 7:40 pmwhoops. I mean numbers of the posts WORLD MUSIC AWARDS / RIAA says: June 11, 2011 at 7:41 pm@ GUTTERFLYYou said we should judge by World Music Award per albumHere : Mariah :WORLD MUSIC AWARDS 1995 – About the Year 19941.Best Selling American Recording Artist2.Best Selling World Recording Artist3.Best Selling Pop ArtistWORLD MUSIC AWARDS 1996 – About Year 19951.Best Selling Female R&B Artist2.Best Selling Overall Female Recording Artist3.Best Selling Female Pop Artist4.Best Selling American Female Recording ArtistWORLD MUSIC AWARDS 1998 – About Year 19971.Female Entertainer of The Year2.Best Selling Female Soul/R&B Artist3.Best Selling Artist of the 90’s (CAREER AWARD)WORLD MUSIC AWARDS 20001.Best Selling Female Artist of the Millennium ***2.Best Selling R&B FemaleWORLD MUSIC AWARDS 2005 – About Year 20051.Best Comeback of the Year2.Best Selling Pop Female Artist4.Best Selling R&B Artist5.Female Entertainer Of The Year6.We Belong Together World’s Most-Played SingleWORLD MUSIC AWARDS 20081.Special Achievement Award (18 Number 1s)——————————————->THREE of her albums were the reason she recieved the”best seller” awards per year.– Music Box (1995)– Daydream (1997)– TEOM (2005)Ok ? I played with YOUR rules.Why would this impress me ? ? ?Celine won same awards :World’s Overall Best Selling Recording Artist of the year(1997)World’s Best Selling Female Pop Artist (1999)World’s Best-Selling Female Pop Artist (2000)—————————————–>So they have same amount of ”Awards per year.”FIRST FAIL. EPIC FAIL cause that was your only argument.Now Take Note :If we base our thoughts on World Music Awards in generalthat means Celine wins again cause she was the last torecieve a Career award. If you call this irrelevant thatwould be mean that World Music Awards are not to betrusted in general.YOU USE TO MAKE GENERAL COMMENTS FROM SPECIFIC FACTS :Like you did with IFPI. You judged the instituionas biased and partial (GENERAL COMMENT)because of the whole Nana’s sales stuff (SPECIFIC FACT)Therefore IF Celine’s Award is irrelevant (SPECIFIC FACT)that means World Music Awards in general are irrelevant(GENERAL COMMENT)– RIAA is not enough because it is only about Us sales.Besides, we know how much they sold there.Mariah :65 Platinum Album Certifications = 65m = 68m Album Sales15 Platinum And 13 Gold Singles = 22m = 32m Single SalesCeline :52 Platinum Certifications = 52m = 54m Album Sales4 Platinum And 4 Gold Singles = 6m = 12m Single SalesPLATINUM : The Power Of Love, It Is All Coming Back ToMe Now, I Am Your Angel, Because You Loved Me.GOLD : Beauty And The Beast, All By Myself, A New DayHas Come and My Heart Will Go On.And before you start goating see that I added 11m forMariah’s NOT certified singles and 6m for Celine’s. Idon’t contradict and I am very careful with PROPORTIONS.With Love, The Reason <3 BUTTERFLY says: June 11, 2011 at 11:36 pmWhat the what: Where do you come from? In the psychiatric hospital? You keep say that I have to learn reading while you mix everything I claimed here. I talk about 300 million of records,you accuse me to claim 300 million albums now you just say “I meant sales records”.Who have the need to learn how to read ? I talked about Mariah’s perfume that is nominated for the 2011 fifi Awards,but you say that I did it since 2010 ! You prove to everyone here how much you are crazy and how much you are unable to read ! You’d better buy some new glasses ! You are still after my writing style.I don’t give a sh** about what you say on my english.This is not a grammar study or a blog about our knowledge in English language.But a blog of discussion about two artists. This is you that have to Think before you speak.Cause you just say the opposite of what you wanna express ! You said ” Define fact! Looking ugly and old is not a fact, but an opinion”. Really ? Very dear,opinion become fact when everyone agree with it ! Otherwise,there wouldn’t be supermodels and sex-symbols.Who could accuse someone that say ” Heidi Klum is beautiful beside Susan Boyles that is ugly ” this is a opinion ! This is a fact for everyone ! Even Susan’s own family would agree on this ! If I say Taylor Swift is young while Barbra Streisand is old This is an universal fact for everyone,not an opinion ! So,being old ,ugly,beautiful,nasal,etc… are facts,not just opinions ! You accuse me to be a Celine hater.I accuse you to be some Mariah haters as well ! What I said on Celine’s love and sex concerns another Mimi hater,not you.He said me that I hate Celine just because I am frustrated and will never be in Celine’s position.I agree that I will never be as rich and as famous as celine,but I got a true life with a man to giving me love and sex,unlike her that have just her money and Awards to hug and kiss ! I respect artists.but I don’t support when some vermins fanatic try to take me down just to lies about their idol ! You said that you bet that I don’t have a bf ,did you mean boyfriend? Hahaha! If it about that you talked,you are just wrong.But,I can’t blame you as you can’t see me through the debate,only read my posts.In what it is difficult to have a boyfriend? Honestly,do you really think that having a boyfriend need a big deal for a girl? I am really surprise to listen this! Dear,I really don’t understand why you integrate this debate.If you do it just to convince me to give up,you fail honey.Trish never give up when do something as right and fair ! I will never tired to post comments like other debaters do.I will not the first to leave this debate anymore ! What the what?? says: June 12, 2011 at 12:29 amAnd you accuse me of using bad English. WOW! I couldn’t understand half of what you said. So if you don’t give a **** about it, just ignore that. Something I had to say so that maybe, you could work on it a bit more. Just because many people agree with one opinion doen’t make it a fact. Choose your words wisely, because you just proved that your 300 million sales fantasy is not a fact, since no one here believes it, and until I see some sources, it’s not even considered as a fact! Swift is young and Streisand is old. That’s a true fact because swift is now in her early 20’s and streisand is in her 60’s. But Mariah and Celine are about the same age. How does this make any sense, if you claim that Celine looks old but Mariah looks young? Because that is an opinion, not a fact. Mariah hasn’t even been nominated for an award since 2008. If that’s wrong, go a head and prove it to me. This is just a friendly statement. If I’m wrong, please prove it to me. This is all I’m going to reply, because your post had almost NOTHING to do with success. Once again, you ignored most of my success related replies. What the what?? says: June 12, 2011 at 12:34 amOops. My mistake. Mariah was nominated this year for a FiFi award. So I will admit that. See how I’m capable of admitting something? Even if it is a disadvantage to my idol? The Reason says: June 12, 2011 at 1:00 amLMAO1) The girl already said she made a typing mistake towrite albums instead of records. And then added thateither way what you say is invalid. She proved her point.She made it clear. Want to hear her point again ? Here :She doesn’t think you are stupid for claiming MC sold300m albums. She thinks you are stupid for claiming MCsold 300m records. Ok now dumbass ?2) Only a lunatic would make a corelation between ageand beauty to prove objectiveness. You make no sense.Beauty is highly subjective. Your IQ Deficiency is afact.3) Who told you we are going to be bored to postcomments ? I have been owning your ugly ass sinceAugust. You are the one who avoids replying. So theFAIL is all yours.Sit down.Ugly pressed narrow minded trash. BUTTERFLY says: June 12, 2011 at 5:50 amWorld Music Award/RIAA Hahaha! You are really laighable ! Celine equals Mariah on amount of World Music Awards ? This is so funny ! It seems like every Celine’s achievements are increase at twice in every sources you check ! Hahaha! Let me remind you that Mrs Carey hold the record of the most World Music Awards winning EVER ! Mimi owns 17 World Music Awards while Celine won 12 or 13 ones.Don’t try to equals her to Mimi on this,ok? What the what:You continue to prove how much you are unable to read.You accuse me to use bad english.I reply to you on this.Now you said that I accused you to using bad english.What that’s mean? About what you said on Swift -Streisand and Dion-Carey,maybe it is more obvious that Swift is young while Streisand is old.But this is a fact that Mariah really look young beside Celine that look young for EVERYONE,even her haters can’t deny it.Even if both have almost the same age,Mariah always looks much more youngest than Celine.This is not just my opinion,but a fact for everyone ! If they were not famous,people would believe easily that Celine is 10- 20 years older than Mariah ! Nobody would never agree with someone that say Celine looks more beautiful and younger than Mariah because the opposite is an obvious fact for EVERYONE.I repeat you beauty,oldness,youthness,etc. are facts.That’s why people can make difference between the persons that are young,old,beautiful,average,ugly,etc… These are much more than opinions.They are facts ! MANDY says: June 12, 2011 at 6:42 amWorld Music Award/ RIAA (Lucky Luke) said that RIAA is not enough cause it concern only sales in US.You are right,this is not enough,but I think this is why RIAA is more reliable than IFPI,Mediatrafic,etc… that states worldwide sales when they even doesn’t count the ones per continent ! But let’s move on this. Let’s be honests.we all know that Mariah doesn’t sold 100 million records over Celine like claim TRISH (BUTTERFLY).But,neither Celine doesn’t sold 20 million records over Mariah.Keep our statements fair and right.Celine doesn’t really Mariah on total record sales.This is rather the opposite,let’s see:Now if we consider European sales (Even if IFPI is not reliable,we have no other choice).We can base Celine and Mariah’s European sales on their certifications there. Let’s consider Albums only: We will see that Celine beats Mariah with a big difference of 26 million in Europe according to IFPI albums certifications.But we know Mariah beats Celine with a respectable difference in US.Mariah : 65 million albums in US Celine : 52 million albums in US Celine : 54 million albums in Europe Mariah : 27 million albums in Europe Celine beats in canada. Mariah beats in Japan. Celine beats in whole Africa Mariah beats in whole Asia ( Japan excluded here) both are equals in Oceania (maybe a non significant difference ). Latin America ? West Indies ? Singles : US : Mariah wins with huge difference over Celine Europe: Celine wins with a moderate difference over Mariah Canada : Celine wins Japan : Mariah wins Africa : ? Asia : Mariah wins Oceania : Mariah wins Latin America : Mariah wins West Indies : ? Let’s be honest,its clear that Mariah sold more records worldwide than Celine.Even if Celine would beats Mariah in the countries sales are not clear,that could doesn’t make her outsold Mariah.So ,saying Celine outsold Mariah by 20 million records is a pure lie.The truth is that Mariah outsold Celine by 10 million records approximately. The Reason says: June 12, 2011 at 12:42 pm@ BUTTERFLYYOU mentioned on post 145 World Music Awards PER ALBUM !So I replied on World Music Awards PER Album/Year Sales.We didn’t talk about World Music Awards in generalbecause that would be irrelevant since some of themare irrelevant to worldwide sales such as : comeback ofthe year or Best selling Canadian artists.I replied on what you said dear and I owned you. C Yaugly pressed animal.@ MandyI advice to first prove to TRISH how Mariah doesn’tsell 300m records, because this is the crazy thing here.I wouldn’t care if people thought MC outsells Celine forlike 20m records. But 100m records over MC ? No. Sorry,this is the issue here, so try to school Butterflyinsted. If you notice I haven’t been supporting Celinethe past month. I am just taking down Butterfly’s lieson Mariah. We can talk on specific sales later. And thereis nothing wrong with the IPFI certification system. Itwas Nana’s label that talked about her sales. Not IFPI.That was a mistake. One thing strikes me : where did usee that Mariah is popular in W.Indies ? I never heard ofit. The Reason says: June 12, 2011 at 1:49 pmTyping Mistakes :* But 100m over Celine ?* IFPISomething more :Mariah has 16 Platinum Certifications in Europe.Celine has 47 Platinum Certifications in Europe.Over 31m difference in Europe.The point is the difference of sales in each market. Andthere is no market where Mariah can beat Celine for30m albums. LOLEven In Us where Mariah RULES we get a differenceof 12m albums in SHIPMENTS. Almost covered by theirrespective success in Canada. The rest of the markets(Africa, L.America, Oceania) are quite irrelevantin record sales. So you are left with Asia. LOLAnd none of you has pointed her sales there, exceptfor me and Tane. Tane brought a link that showed 18m inJapan and 35m in total. I know Mariah sold 18m in Japanand 35-40m there as well. And actually her Japanese saleswhich BY FAR the biggest Asian market – the rest aresmall – are NOT debatable. It is 18m.It is not by chance she was never awarded outside US. LOLCeline was awarded in Latin America, Canada, Europe,Africa AND Us of course.Mandy, if Mariah was THAT popular she would be able tosell out arenas. And she can’t cause there is no peopledemand. Simple. The Reason says: June 12, 2011 at 2:18 pmCeline is ugly ? Old ? LMAO !youtube.com/watch?v=7DrgIgnvamoTry again loser. The Reason says: June 12, 2011 at 4:32 pmTRASH can’t reply to questions. Silly.She questions back for things she can’t swallow.Silly +.She even copy pastes phrases. More silly.She has been exposed for her lies. Even more silly.She wrote two novels on personal bullacrap. Dead silly. MANDY says: June 12, 2011 at 4:40 pmLucky Luke,Mariah sold more than just 40 million albums in Asia,even if we doesn’t have proofs,that doesn’t mean her sales are average there.She’s ahead every international artists ever in whole Asia. No,no Lucky Luke,I don’t agree with your logic that states“It is not by chance Mariah was never awarded outside US.”Celine was awarded in Latin America, Canada, Europe,Africa AND Us of course.Mandy, if Mariah was THAT popular she would be able tosell out arenas. And she can’t cause there is no peopledemand. Simple. ” You are wrong Lucky Luke.If you say so,lambs could say it’s not by nothing Celine doesn’t have Hits and doesn’t sold singles.Don’t mix musical achievements.Celine is more popular and successful on stage than Mariah.While Mariah is more popular and successful on Hit parades Charts than Celine and sells her singles much better.I could say that Celine doesn’t got hits and doesn’t sold her singles because people doesn’t demand her songs.Simple. Let’s stay on albums question and certifications.We all already knows Celine’s and Mariah’s certifications sales in US,Europe and in some other part of the rest of the world.They doesn’t prove that Celine could surpass Mariah’s albums even by 10 million sales.Let’s be fair Lucky Luke. About single certifications and sales,they show that Mariah’s singles surpass Celine’s by 20 million the very less.(But I really think 30- 40 million…Lol ). Ok.Mariah doesn’t surpass Madonna on record sales like claimed TRISH,but at least you should recognize that Celine doesn’t surpass Mariah’s record sales as well.This is untrue ! Madonna Mariah Celine Take it easy Celiniacs,I don’t want to fight like do Trish and Lucky Luke.I just try to bring more light on the sale question.The most important is that Mariah doesn’t surpass Celine by 100 million records neither Celine doesn’t surpass Mariah’s global records ! What the what?? says: June 12, 2011 at 5:20 pmMandy, unless you have specific proof, you can’t say Mariah outsold Celine. It sounds like you’re unsure of some of the sales records. Mariah has outsold Celine in Asia and the US for sure, and Celine outsold Mariah in Canada, Europe, and Africa. I’m not trying to be rude or anything like that. It’s just what I think I’m hearing. The Reason says: June 12, 2011 at 5:28 pmI never implied Mariah is not ahead of everyone is Asia.If you want to prove she sold way over 40m the burden ofproof falls on your side, not mine.Celine doesn’t beat MC only in tours. She also beats herin Dvd sales and her albums chart way stronger worldwide.Celine’s success in soundtracks and projects isunreachable and undeniable.You insist on MC’s success in L.America which is quitesurreal as the only thing that comes to prove yourstatement is a radio hit in Brazil in 2009. Nothing more.No awards. No sales records. Mariah’s best seller thisdecade (TEOM) charted withing the top 10 in someL.American markets. Same goes for Africa. Celine toppedthese charts with 2 of her albums that decade. EvenTaking Chances that was her lowest seller peaked atnumber 1 at Africa. Celine has been awarded inL.America, not Mariah. All Mariah’s efforts to singspanish songs were panned by music critics. Everythingyou might claim about Mariah being successful inL.America is highly unsupported. If you supportit somehow, I am open to listen.As of Mariah singles success don’t lie to me that hercertifications prove she is ahead for 20m-40m. Get real.Mariah’s best selling markets in terms of singles areUs and Japan.Mariah scored 13 number 1s in Japan, which make you thinkshe sold huge amount of singles there, but this is nottrue. And I am not hating on MC. Out of her 13 singlesonly 2 of them recieved certifications and sold wellbecause the rest were AIRPLAY singles. Here areMariah’s single sales in Japan :– All I Want For Christmas Is You : 2xMILLION = 2m+– Fantasy : Gold = 100kNon of her other singles were released commercially.Mariah’s total single sales in Japan stand at 2.5m.Mariah’s total single sales in Us stand at 32m.Mariah’s total single sales in UK stand at 6m. (Trishproved that one).Mariah’s total single sales in Oceania stand at 1.5mwhich is an IMPRESSIVE number. Let me prove it to you :Oceania = Australia & N.ZelandAustralia = 8 PLATINUM SINGLES (70k) and 11 GOLD (35k)N.Zeland = 3 PLATINUM SINGLES (10k) and 12 GOLD (5k).As of Canada both MC and Celine sold nothing there.Actually no artist have single sales in Canada. As of2005, many Canadian record labels stopped releasingcommerical singles because of low sales in that market.I can’t explain that. Both Celine and MC have number 1sthere and none of them recieved a certification forthese.Tell me your thoughts on these. Let’s move step by step.Ok ?And Mariah is not that huge in selling singles. Shereleased 34 commercial singles this decade and 20 of themflopped.And please, don’t call me a liar cause I don’t makethings out of my mind and I don’t support randontheories. I like that you can actually discuss and bepolite and sorry if I took the hard road before. MOMO says: June 12, 2011 at 8:13 pmHi lambs,hi Celiniacs ! I am very glad to come back ,but I am very surprise to find Trish and Lucky still fight about sales question ,after so many months…LMAO ! Take it easy everyone———Lol !Well,Mandy I think you are right ! Celine and Mariah are almost equals on total records.But Mariah has sold a lttle bit more than Celine because of her singles that sold much better than Celine’s. The Reason says: June 12, 2011 at 9:53 pm@ MOMOHi Momo ! :)That’s the issue here. Mariah’s singles didn’t sell somuch like all of you think.Us : 32mEurope : 15m (The Most)Japan : 2.5mOceania : 1.5mCanada : 1m (Let’s say)52m singles. Add sales from rest of Asia, Africa andL.America to see she sold like 55-60m. This is what Iam saying for MONTHS. I can go on with Celine’s singlesafter we are done calculating Mariah’s. The Reason says: June 13, 2011 at 12:31 am”I could say that Celine doesn’t got hits and doesn’t sold her singles because people doesn’t demand her songs.”I just read this. Well, that’s not valid as long aspeople buy her albums, which include her singles/songs. BUTTERFLY says: June 13, 2011 at 3:51 amWhat a stupid delirium ! Mariah sold 2.5 million singles in Japan? then 55 – 60 million worldwide ? Then you called me liar and delusional ?Let’s see celine’s singles.Us : 5 mEurope : 17m (The Most)Japan : 0.5mOceania : 0.5mCanada : 1m (Let’s say)24m singles. Add sales from rest of Asia, Africa andL.America to see she sold like 25-26m.Don’t forget Celine doesn’t has million seller singles those 12 last years.Mariah sold over 70 million singles more than Celine Dion.This is all the fact ! The Reason says: June 13, 2011 at 10:39 am@ BUTTERFLYShut the fu** up and move your retarded ass to prove mewrong. Stop typing messages and bring the Japanesecertifications I ”ignore” if you want to desputesomething. No need to say that you are not in positionto talk about singles sales since :– You avoid bring certifications for Mariah’s 5 singles.– You thought Mariah sold 6m records in UK #LOL– You lied about Mariah’s number 1s in Jamaica etc– You said Mariah sold over 50m singles in Us while RIAA and Billboard have proved sales of 31m by 2010. FACT– You kept changing your numbers for Mariah’s best seller -> 20m, then 12m , then 10m and so on.Now that I proved your inablity to talk we move on.Mariah is huge in Japan but Sony Bmg hardly everreleases singles there commercially. We all know Mariahand then Madonna and then Celine are the three topsellers in Asia and NONE of them has manycommercial singles released there. Use your mind once.Madonna has 20 number 1s in Japan and biggest amount ofthese are Airplay hits, nothing more.And I am very right with all my claims.Her Oceania singles stand at 1.5m (Dead Clear)Her UK singles stand at 6m+ (Proved By You)Her Us singles stand at 32m+ (Proved RIAA, Billboard)Even if you put like 10m singles sold in Japan you stillcan’t prove your sh**ty theory about Mariah selling100m singles worldwide. All lambs here have put you intotal shame for these pathetic biased and laughablefigures. Same thing the whole community of lambs doesin Mariah’s respective fansites.As of your Celine parody I will prove your bullcrapafter we are done with Mariah.You proved nothing more. We already knew you an idiotpsychotic low life bitch that can’t think to save herlife.mariahjournal.com/infozone/charts/singles/japan/index.shtmlOooups ! The insect gets owned by Mariah’s fan base.Now go back to your basement, get your sh**ty facts andI’ll tell you when to come out.Dismissed whore. The Reason says: June 13, 2011 at 10:52 amStop bringing Celine up every time you try to reply.Reply with answers on Mariah and Mariah facts. Don’treply with sarcasm cause that proves you are corneredby my logic thought and therefore try to change subject.The subject is Mariah’s single sales. And you haveFAILED big time, like usual…Back to your basement trash. The Reason says: June 13, 2011 at 9:34 pm@ EveryoneThis debate goes too unless you bring facts.Facts : certifications, announcements, special awards.I don’t have much time this weak, so be specific andreply to questions by giving ANSWERS, not questions back.I will reply as soon as possible.@ MandyDear, ignore the haters here and tell me what you think. The Reason says: June 13, 2011 at 9:35 pm@ EveryoneThis debate goes too long unless you bring facts.Facts : certifications, announcements, special awards.I don’t have much time this weak, so be specific andreply to questions by giving ANSWERS, not questions back.I will reply as soon as possible.@ MandyDear, ignore the haters here and tell me what you think. tane says: June 14, 2011 at 5:09 pmoh wow, I think I was wrong when I said this debate was like finally over! oh well it will never be over:/ok Celine Dion has sold more records than Mariah, but I’m a huge lamb so please dobnt diss miss Mariah Carey!hmmm the Asian sales I think Mariah Carey has sold 50 million albums there, and 2.4 million singles says her daily journal!heres some proofSINGLE [International Airplay] PEAK POSITION SALES Vision Of Love #1 Not released Love Takes Time ? Not released Someday ? 25,000 I Don’t Wanna Cry ? Not released Emotions #1(3 Weeks) 10,000 Can’t Let Go #2 Not released Make It Happen #22 Not released I’ll Be There #1(2 Weeks) Not released Dreamlover #1 Not released Hero #1 30,000 Without You #1 Not released Anytime You Need A Friend ? 75,000 Endless Love #2 Not released All I Want For Christmas (Is You) #1(4 Weeks) 2,000,000 Fantasy #1(4 Weeks) 100,000 One Sweet Day #4 10,000 Always Be My Baby #10 10,000 Honey #1(3 Weeks) 25,000 Butterfly #9 Not released Sweetheart #34 Not released I Still Believe #17 Not released When You Believe #1(4 Weeks) 40,000 Heartbreaker #1(3 Weeks) 30,000 Thank God I Found You #19 Not released Against All Odds #41 5,000 Loverboy #1(2 Weeks) 10,000 Never Too Far #5 Not released Reflections #19 Not released Don’t Stop #62 Not released Through The Rain #2 25,000 Boy (I Need You) #81 Not released You Make Me Wanna #77 Not released It’s Like That #1(2 Weeks) 10,000 We Belong Together #34 Not released Shake It Off #51 Not released Don’t Forget About Us #57 Not released Say Somethin’ #80 Not released Touch My Body #5 Not released Bye Bye #73 Not released I’ll Be Lovin’ U Long Time #27 Not released Obsessed #16 N/A I Want To Know What Love Is #3 N/A Angels Cry #89 N/A TOTAL 12 No.1 Singles 2,400,000europe= 27 million albums japan=18 million united kingdom= 7.5 million US= 64 million australia= 2.7 millioni can’t be bothered putting all of them up! haha:) tane says: June 14, 2011 at 5:11 pmno! Mariah has sold 68 million albums worldwide! tane says: June 14, 2011 at 5:19 pmCeline Dion has sold 174 million albums heres proof! celinedioncharts.com/byalbum.htm tane says: June 14, 2011 at 5:20 pmcomment 176= 68 million albums in the US sorry! tane says: June 14, 2011 at 5:21 pmcomment 175= oh sorry that’s the Japan album and single sales! The Reason says: June 14, 2011 at 6:44 pmThank God there are people out there to see I speak thetruth when I say that Sony Bomg doesn’t releasecommercial singles in Japan ! XXXXX says: June 16, 2011 at 2:34 pmThese sales are incorrect I Still Believe,Endless Love,Someday ,etc…is platinum in USA,Vision Of Love is Gold…. The Reason says: June 16, 2011 at 3:41 pm@ XXXXXThese sales were about Japan. Her sales andcertifications in Usa are clear and you r right ;-) GRATIN says: June 17, 2011 at 12:39 amWhooooooooooooooooooooo !……ztztztztztztz ! Mariah and celine??? Pfffffttt Who are these things? I hate both so much ! They never sing but screams.Mariah is nothing than a vocal acrobatic,she even can’t have a true life,poor Mariah.Mariah is no more a singer,but rather a sex-symbol and a slut.About Celine,she is a clown that have nothing to do than singing past songs and releasing loud nasal predictable belts…LMAO ! Lucky Luke is a fu**ing a-hole and a pig while Trish is an attention whore and an uneducated bitch.Tane is a stupid coward and Moff an ashamed slut ! Susan Boyles is the best selling female artist of all times.Then followed by Madonna, Mariah,Celine,Whitney.Susan is also a better vocalist than Mariah with a wider vocal range.She outsang Mariah everytime and effortless.I think Susan could sing Mariah’s Emotions easily.Boyles almost have 8 octaves of voca range.So,she’s better than Mariah.She deserve to be called “THE VOICE”.Mariah and Whitney could never reach Susan’s vocal runs,melismas,belts,etc…Neither Aretha. So,this is so nil to still talk about Mariah and celine.Noone remember Mariah the cow and Celine the camel.Nowadays,everybody talk about the true legend Susan Boyles.The best singer ever ! Madonna = Bitch Mariah = Bitch Whitney = Drugged Celine = Clown Susan = Talented diva Susan blow all these women away in everything ! Plus,she’s so classic and elegant. Long life to Susan Boyles,the greatest female artist of all times ! The Reason says: June 17, 2011 at 5:12 amThe new bitch gets ignored. MOFF says: June 17, 2011 at 10:28 amDo you say this seriously?You are a slut, nothing more. Susan Boyle is a talented singer, but she has sold about 7 million albums, her “I dreamed a Dream” was a huge success!But: What about True Blue? Daydream? Lets Talk About love?Do you think they have sold less than Susan’s albums??Haha. Dream it! The Reason says: June 18, 2011 at 6:25 pmyoutube.com/watch?v=CqcAlFMzhBsThis video goes to all DEAF Jerks that question Mariah’svocal skills, stracture, musicianship, technique ,poweragility and insane range. Your fave could never..! GRATIN says: June 21, 2011 at 6:02 amLucky Luke….stststststststs !!! You are so stupid guy .I don’t believe your link at all since Mariah never proved nothing with her voice that could makes her a voice as sublime as Susan’s.Mariah’s songs are all average next to The Voice Susan Boyles,just admit it.Mariah can only dream to sing Susan’s I Dreamed A Dream.Mariah is replaced since Susan started her musical career.This is the proof that Susan is way better than Mariah and all other female artists. And Susan sold probably most albums than the three trashes since she proved it by her recent albums while none among Mariah,Celine or Madonna doesn’t have an album selling 10 million,only delusional estimations on their old albums.Susan’s Boyles I Dreamed A Dream surpass 18 million copies sold worldwide.Do you think Mariah or Celine or Madonna could do even the half of this record ? No,no.Susan is just incomparable. Who cares about Mariah and Celine? Who cares about Madonna? Evryone already forget these women since so long ago,they are so old and so mercyfull …LMAO ! their respective career lies in peace.Only Susan Boyles stay on ! Every girl dream to become the next Susan.Who say Susan is fat and ugly? I think that Susan is most beautiful than Mariah carey and Britney Spears.She’s just a little bit older. Madonna,Celine ? Wooooh !!! ! I never see some artists as ugly as Celine and Madonna.Susan kills them on beauty.The bitches named Lady gaga,Rihanna,Beyonce,etc… are everything,except artists.I am crazy about Susan.My mother also love her cause I look just like her.She’s a true legend ! Viva forever Susan Boyles ! No one will never equals you ! What the what?? says: June 21, 2011 at 7:34 pm@GRATIN Celine’s top 3 albums sold 82 million total. Mariah’s top 3 albums sold 74 million total. Madonna’s top 3 albums sold 78 million total. Susan’s top 2 (since she only has 2 albums out) albums sold 9.6 million total. Correct me if I’m wrong, but Celine, Mariah, and Madonna’s top 3 albums have sold way more than Susan’s. I’m not hating, because she has a nice voice, but you can’t compare her record sales to them. It’s just not fair. Way more popularity, more records sold, richer than her, and more awards awarded. UGLY??? Are you serious? Celine: youtube.com/watch?v=clhqzWw5fS4 Mariah: youtube.com/watch?v=rP0ESL-GYIk&feature=related Madonna: youtube.com/watch?v=RIZSPwKY75w&feature=relatedSusan: youtube.com/watch?v=bz6BA1heMSI Who cares about Madonna or Celine? The 2 had 2 of the highest grossing tours of all time! The Reason says: June 21, 2011 at 10:16 pm@ GRATINHey ! You are officially our new attention whore. :)The more delusional a comment is, the more attention itgets. So congratulations. Everyone standing O to thenew pathetic piece of sh** added here !!!I am a pig now, right ? Ooupsie..! xDNow to the facts :Susan Boyle has a nice voice and good technique. Thereit ends. She is nothing more than a product. She has 0musicianship and almost 0 originality. She has 0 hits.She never toured the world. She mainly does COVERSin the STUDIO to save her life. Sorry she is totallyirrelevant.Mariah sold 11m with TEOM and Madonna 12m with COADFboth released after 2004 – when piracy affected sales.So your argument FAILS.Susan’s debut sold almost 10m, so you get a DOUBLE FAIL(Gongratulations again).1) Vocally everything Susan can do, Mariah can do itbetter. Let me know when Susan is able to ”click” fromchest voice to pure head voice, or chest voice towhistle and then deep wispers. The ImperialSongbird of melisma, vocal runs, vocal rifs. One of themost flexible voices ever. (GODRIAH)The link I sent you mainly shows LIVE perfomances. THIRDFAIL. Here is the WHOLE LIVE video :youtube.com/watch?v=oEPuOI9CmZA3.54 – 4.02.Tell me when Subo or any other is able to do that.*laughing*2) Let me know how Susan will sing after 30 years ofcareer. I want to see if her vocal cords will showstamina, longevity, if she will be able to belt livenotes and sustain them for 18 seconds.(Celine, The Queen)youtube.com/watch?v=epXXFhzuqbc 2.45-3.03ANDyoutube.com/watch?v=15xKfLSSQF4 4.50-5.16*still laughing*LMAO you retard no artist credits Susan Boyle as aninfluence. Another FAIL.LMAO Even if we talk about beauty…well…wasn’t shea virgin at age 47 ? Means NOBODY wanted to fu** her.Ooups, I am being a pig again :/Didn’t people laugh at her looks when they first sawher ? #FAILSubo is in the elite of Miley Cirus, Gaga, Adele, Rihanna,Katy Perry and Taylor Swift in terms of sales.Don’t mess with THE LEGENDS cause you’re making a foolof yourself. Now do me a favour and run on a freeway.Thanx, bitch. The Reason says: June 22, 2011 at 2:39 amLOL , Meant * Congratulations xDAnyway, this stupid debate is over. Stans that wanttheir fave to better in everything are idiots. Mandy says: June 22, 2011 at 4:04 pmThe Emancipation Of mimi Had sold way more than Confession on A Dance Floor.TEOM sold over 12 million and it was the best selling album of 2005 and 2006.Be careful on what you claim,the Reason The Reason says: June 23, 2011 at 12:19 am@ MandyHey ! I am still waiting for your answer on singles. Youknow you work in mysterious ways. You correct me forputing 1m more to a Madonna album and you have nothingto say to people who claim the Susan Boyle outsells andoutsings Mariah. LMAOAnd LOL TEOM was the best seller of 2005. Not 2006. Itsold nothing on 2006 to make it one the 06’s bestsellers.Second, even if TEOM sold more than COADF it definitelydid not sell ”way more”. Be careful on what you claim,Mandy.I already caught 2 mistakes on 3 little sentences. :) Tane says: June 23, 2011 at 5:11 amMariah careys sold 160 to 165 million albums She’s sold 55 to 60 million singles So Mariahs sold over 220 million records worldwide!Celine dione sold 174 million albums She’s sold over 50 million singles So celines sold over 125 million recordsSo really record sales are not far apart at all! Only 5 to 7 million records apart!Madonnas sold 300 million records no doubt!Love you heaps Mimi! xanyway just saying hi to Moff and lukyluke:) how are yas?@gratin arê you butterfly and trish? Tane says: June 23, 2011 at 5:13 amSorry mistake celines sold over 225 million records!:)Who says I’m wrong? I think and know I’m rigt:) MOFF says: June 23, 2011 at 7:01 amI’m here, Tane :)You’re right in the case of their record sales, although I think Celine has sold a bit more albums, anyway:1. Madonna 2. Mariah 3. Celine:) The Reason says: June 23, 2011 at 9:46 amHey Tane ! I’m fine xD I have exams this period and Iam tired :/ Anyway, how r you ?Did you see Celine’s perfomance at Emmy Awards ? she wasstunning. <3 Tane says: June 23, 2011 at 6:22 pmYes! Her performance was amazing:) she looked so beautiful Goodluck on exams:) get some rest! Lolhey Moff yeah I’m sure she’s sold more albums that site was probably a bit biased:/ never trust sites haha:)Mariah<3 Celine<3 TRISH says: June 24, 2011 at 10:22 amTane,why do you asked Gratin if he/she is Butterfly and Trish ? Did you already see that I insulted Mariah? Did I insult you formely Tane ? Even when you supported Lucky Luke ? Did you ? I don’t know why everyone hate me here,but listen to me Tane,if you want to get Lucky Luke and Moff’s sympathy, good for you,but don’t try to imply me when anyone said something bad in the blog.It seems that you consider me as the devil,your little team and you.But I don’t care of you.You have the right to give your opinion and believe in what you want,but don’t blame me because I don’t swallow your things.I decided by myself to leave this debate for many reasons.Not because I am afraid by you and your lies that are spread here,but because I don’t want to fight with Lucky Luky anymore.He will never agree with me in the same way I will never agree with him.Anyway,All of you can think and say anything you want about me,I don’t care.You can say Madonna,Celine,or even Susan Boyles (Like did Gratin)sold more than Mariah etc…I will don’t reply.This is not me nor you neither links that could remove or add nothing of the real accomplishments and achievements of these artists.I’m done with this debate.Now you are free to say anything you want about these legends.But don’t provoke me please.Otherwise, I will back to confront you… MOFF says: June 25, 2011 at 4:48 amTrish? Do you want to play the daunted and lonely girl? In my opinion this is the first post from you, where you have written in a smart and nice style :)Its good that you don’t want to fight against Lucky Luke etc anymore, because we have proofs which you don’t have.PS: Madonna is about to work on a new studio album, we will see if she will sell more than any of Mariah’s last releases. About Celine: Mariah has to sell further 15 to 20 million albums, if she want to compete with Celine in case of album sales.Goodbye, guys :D The Reason says: June 25, 2011 at 11:31 am@ MOFFOh Moff ! This was her best post ever. It was full oflogic. I think you ruined it. :PI hope your comment doesn’t ingite any new fightscause I am so bored of this crapy debate. Celine andMariah will released new stuff as well in 2011/2012 andwe see what happens. Till then avoid fights. LOL xD TRISH says: June 26, 2011 at 8:11 amhow a failure as you can say such a thing? how dare you say that I play a daunted and lonely girl? I don’t care your opinion Moff.I think that you don’t have any post at all in this debate,even right now.That’s why I precise that I wanted to stop fighting with Lucky Luke,not you.Lucky Luke was the only debater here that argue for Celine.You just repeat what Lucky Luke already said Moff,nothing more.At least,Lucky Luke brought many arguments and links by his own researches,even if all of them are lies and biased.But you,I never consider you as a debater Moff.Can you precise me when you integrated the Celine Vs Mariah debate? What did you bring as arguments? That Mariah won the Chopard in 2003 for 150 million albums sold,then Celine won it in 2004 for 175 million albums? This is what you call “proofs”?Don’t dream dear.You are just able to repeat and Just applause to what Lucky Luke already state.That doesn’t make you a debater Moff.As a Madonna fan,You even don’t brought any argument in favor of her in the Madonna Vs Mariah debate.This is Lucky Luke that brought all the arguments (although they are lies and craps) that he could find.You are not a debater.You just said Guinness and IFPI cite Madonna is the best selling female artist of all times,then Madonna refused The Chopard Diamond Award by World Music Awards.These are not arguments.pfffftt !!! Don’t say anymore ” We have proofs which you don’t have”.Lucky Luke could say that,not you Moff. TRISH says: June 26, 2011 at 8:28 amMoff,how can you say “About Celine: Mariah has to sell further 15 to 20 million albums, if she want to compete with Celine in case of album sales.”Since when you brought arguments to defend Celine? Do you think that your delusional phrase “About Celine: Mariah has to sell further 15 to 20 million albums, if she want to compete with Celine in case of album sales.”could mean that Celine really sold more albums than Mariah? You are a coward Moff,I have pity on you.Anyone that read my last posts could see how many times I asked you details on Celine – Mariah singles,but you never be able to answer me.I think that you can answer to me right now after that Lucky Luke post his delusional arguments about Mariah and celine’s singles.You are so much pathetic ! Right now,let me tell you something Moff.I stop my feud with Lucky Luke,but about you if you want to start a discussion with me about Celine and Mariah’s sales,I am ready for that.So,don’t say to me anymore that Celine sold more albums than Mariah,I was clear enough on this.If you want to continue debating with me,don’t hesitate Moff.Just tell me that ! Carla says: June 26, 2011 at 2:13 pmAccording to ESCTODAY (Eurovision Song Contest Today) which is refering to IFPI, here are the 20 (of 150) best selling artists of all time :01.The Beatles 400,000,000 #02.Michael Jackson 350,000,000 #03.Elvis Presley 300,000,000 #04.Madonna 275,000,000 #05.Nana Mouskouri 250,000,000 #06.Cliff Richard 250,000,000 #07.The Rolling Stones 250,000,000 #08.Mariah Carey 230,000,000 #09.Elton John 220,000,000 #10.Celine Dion 220,000,000 #11.Pink Floyd 210,000,000 #12.Led Zeppelin 200,000,000 #13.Metallica 200,000,000 #14.Julio Iglesias 200,000,000 #15.Queen 180,000,000 #16AC/DC 180,000,000 #17Whitney Houston 180,000,000 #18.ABBA 160,000,000 #19.U2 150,000,000 #20.The Jacksons 150,000,000 This independant European source is reliable.So saying that Celine surpass Mariah with 15 -20 million record sold is unacceptable.Mariah still have more records sold than Celine. Carla says: June 26, 2011 at 2:16 pmSorry,I wanted to write ” this independent Eurovision site “,excuse me. Carla says: June 26, 2011 at 2:25 pmAnd please,don’t compare Mariah to Madonna.Madonna is just a succesful plastic product,Mariah is a talented singer The Reason says: June 26, 2011 at 5:46 pm@ CarlaAren’t you the same Carla that had brought a randominternet link a few months ago showing a fan made listin favour of Mariah ? And now what do you do ?An independent Eurovision site talking about worldwidesales and this seems normal to you. So this site knowsbetter than Mariah’s labels and her management team ?Sorry but THIS IS NOT acceptable. Period.Mariah herself mentions her sales per era. For instancein 1998 she announced how ”Emotions” sold over 10mrecords (Around 8m the Album + 2m its Singles) and herewe debate against stupid trolls that proudly announcethis album sold over 13m copies. Give me a break here.You are cornered by logic thought.@ TRISHLMAO at you saying you want to stop the debate and stillcalling me liar and biased. Very nice effort. If youwant to stop all that then move your ass out of hereand stop insulting me. Clear ?Oh yeah ! It is PATHETIC blaming people for not showingyou Mariah’s single sales. You are the one who needs toprove these stuff and you have been asked many timesand you fail.So don’t blame my links. Put the blame on your inabilityto prove your crap, articulate and make fu**ing sense.C ya ! TRISH as BUTTERFLY says: June 27, 2011 at 3:09 pmEmotions album has sold 13 million the very less worldwide ! Mariah herself claimed Emotions sold 10 million since long ago.Today this album is about 13 -15 million worldwide !@ Lucky LukeLMAO at you saying you need a this debate is over while still posting lies and crap links,then provoke me. I didn’t make any effort very dear.Your efforts to feign objective towards Mariah just failed.Mariah sold much more albums and much more singles than Celine Dion worldwide.Your silly staments can’t change that.This is all the truth.I call you liar and biased because this is what you are.If you are angry for that,too bad for you.I don’t make any effort to stop fighting.I just decided it ,that’s all.If you want that I stop all that then move your ass out of here yourself.Then,I will out after you.“Oh yeah ! It is PATHETIC blaming people for not showingyou Mariah’s single sales…”. I adressed this directly to Moff,not to you.Let Moff reply by himself when I talk to him.Same goes for all of you.If you are boyfriends,good for you,but here in this debate everyone must defend himself and bring arguments by his own.Ok ?You never,ever prove nothing here Lucky,don’t be delusional.Your frequent chorus are so far to being proofs.You have ability just to lie and use tricks Lucky Luke,nothing more.You fail in everything you try to prove by lies.All of you,wake up on your Daydream ! BUTTERFLY says: June 27, 2011 at 3:14 pmAll that you gave as proves to show that Madonna and Celine sold more records than Mariah is your preference towards Madonna and Celine over Mariah,nothing else. Tane says: June 28, 2011 at 3:18 amI’m so sorry trish and believe me I don’t hate you at all! It’s just because the grammar in each of those names were exactly the same and I thought it was you:/ I was wrong sorry Tane says: June 28, 2011 at 3:24 amAnyway I can see Mariah making a comeback, it’s just natural she does. Second her babies would have influenced her for new songs, I pray and hope she does!every site I’ve come across seem to be all biased considering all the links I’ve brang here are just completely lies to us all, ever site seems to be the same:/ it’s waste really with the links they just prove nothing about record sales:/Just to be random who’s been watching wimbledon?:) Tane says: June 28, 2011 at 3:27 amHasnt the beetles and Elvis presly sold over 1 billion? maybe wrong I read that of wikipediia The Reason says: June 28, 2011 at 5:09 am@ TRISH”LMAO at you saying you need a this debate is over while still posting lies and crap links,then provoke me.”Are you dreaming bitch ? What links did I post the pastmonth ? What lies did I claim ? Are you able to disputethese so called lies or your little brain can’t go anyfurther than saying ”lies, biased, crap” ? #OopsHow the hell do I provoke you since I don’t even mentionyour name in my posts ? Nice try to put this on me, butwe all know you still remain the pressed c*** here.”If you want that I stop all that then move your ass out of here yourself.Then,I will out after you. ”LMAO bitch ! I said I am bored of this debate, butthat’s about it. You are the one saying you wannaleave. xD You are the manipulative slut here that usesher decision to leave in order to pass as the good, fairand peaceful girl. #FAIL”I call you liar and biased because this is what you are”Why don’t you bring the right Mariah facts sinceI post lies ? Oh I forgot, because you know sh**.Funny how you think Mariah’s albums sell over 3m aftertheir peak and after they get off charts. #DEAD Is thiswhat real facts claim ? Is this logic thought ? LOLFunny how you manipulate Mariah’s own words. She said”Emotions” sold 10m RECORDS in 1998 – refering to itssingles as well -. Same way she had stated in mid 2005that TEOM had suprassed the 7m mark worldwide – sheeven smiled and said ”and we’re still counting”.Your stupidity rages on when you say :”I adressed this directly to Moff, not to you.” Yeahyou retard, and my comment on Emotions was a reply toCarla, not you. Still you came back to talk aboutEmotions. So shut the fu** up. :)”All that you gave as proves to show that Madonna and Celine sold more records than Mariah is your preference towards Madonna and Celine over Mariah,nothing else.”And you only prove what a sick piece of sh** you are.I know Mariah’s stuff 10 times better than you. I haveenough knowledge to support her with real facts. Youcouldn’t even use real arguments to prove her vocalsuperiority and all you said was ”cute voice, sweetvoice”. xa xa xa ! Bitch, sit down. How old are you ?How retarded are you ? You could NEVER in your miserablelife do what I did in posts 186 and 189 at my repliestowards the real hater here, Gabmit. Use your brainONCE. I have already replied to almost all Mariah’shaters here : Jessica, Gabmit, the boy from Philipinesand so on. Even my you tube account is in part in favourof MC and I’m about to start a Facebook page on Mariah.Dumbass ! You can’t even swallow I like Mariah.And no ! Mariah is not the best selling female artist.Swallow it and go on with your life. Mariah doesn’t needthis title to prove her value. Why do you fighting overthis ? Have you even considered words such as beinga real vocalist ? musician ? influencial ? creative ?I am so bored of your stupidity. If you have todispute anything IN SPECIFIC please go ahead. You genericcomments are a FAIL. Be specific to save your dignity.You said my Japanese facts on Mariah’s singles are lies.I asked you to tell me the truth about it andcertifications and you DISAPPEARED only for the sakeof coming back 2 weeks later and call me a liar. Jesus !Can you look more fool than this ? Yes, you can causeon top of these, even tane brought extra facts toprove my points. What do you have to support yourpoint of view ? Oh yeah ! Nothing ! Now come back in2 days from now to repeat yourself, with 0 proves andextra insults. You are a miserable Failure.”If you are boyfriends,good for you” LOLI just can’t at your lunacy bitch xD TRISH says: June 28, 2011 at 9:38 amOK Tane, I believe that you don’t hate me.You are a real music fan and you just try to be objective.I appreciate you because even though you base many of your arguments on links,you don’t just consider them as irrefutable facts.You are open enough to question some mistakes and lies that are spread in links.As you said,links doesn’t really prove nothing on sales,they are not reliable.You are honest Tane,I always know that ! TRISH says: June 28, 2011 at 9:44 amYeah Tane,It seems that Mariah will come back with a Pop album.That could be more successful than her Hip Hop albums… We hope that she will give to us good pop songs and powerful ballads,like she used to at the 1990’s.I am very impatient to discover Mariah in a new Pop album! TRISH says: June 28, 2011 at 10:25 am@ Lucky Luke.You come back with your insults against me? Congrats !You said “What lies and links did I post and claim ? ” Dear Lucky,do you think music fans are idiot and stupid? You try to prove that Mariah doesn’t really surpass Celine even in singles sales by crap data. But who is stupid and idiot enough to swallow this? I repeat it again,all your arguments are lies ! How could you say Mariah outsold Celine by 5 – 10 million singles ? How it could be possible when we say that Mariah has many multi platinum singles in 2000 decade while Celine doesn’t have even one ? This is links and crap data that could prove the opposite? Do you think we are a team of idiots ? Do Celine was a big single seller at the 1990’s ??? Compare with MARIAH CAREY !!!!!!! How can you say Mariah outsold Celine’s singles by 5 – 10 million? How many platinum and multiplatinum singles Celine has for the 1990 decade compare with Mariah ? Did Celine equals Mariah on singles sales at the 1990’s ? She doesn’t even close to Mariah on singles sales worldwide at the 1990’s ! This is not links or biased data that could change this fact.Mariah always be a huge female single seller.For the 2000’s ? You got the nerve to equals Celine with Mariah on singles sales while you claims Celine ‘s albums outsold Mariah’s by 20 million the less.You really prove how much you are objective.This is really you that are able to dispute. You are a liar Lucky Luke,but a very crafty liar.There is just people that is very smart that can discover your tricks to spread your lies.“Why don’t you bring the right Mariah facts sinceI post lies ? Oh I forgot, because you know sh**.” This is what you think? Do you think I know nothing on sales? That’s why you try to proved Celine almost equals Mariah on singles sales then surpass her albums by 20 million ? You make a huge mistake dear.Celine never surpass Mariah on Albums sales.About singles,Celine is light years behind Mariah on this. Everyone,just read that please: Lucky Luke wrote:“Funny how you think Mariah’s albums sell over 3m aftertheir peak and after they get off charts.” Ok. Now say me when Unison,Celine Dion, The Coulour Of My Love,All The Way,D’eux,The French Album,etc… were charted again after their release? Everyone listen to me.There is Celine’s 1990’s albums worldwide sales till May 2000. – Unison 2 million – Celine Dion 4 million -The Colour Of My Love 12 million -D’eux The French Album 7 million -These Are Special Times 8 million -Falling Into you 27 million -Let’s Talk About Love 27 million -All The Way A Decade Of Songs 16 million So, everyone see that every Celine’s 1990 decade sales were clear since the 2000 year Ok,now Lucky Luke,say me when those albums were charted again to reach huge sales that are usually giving for their worldwide sales. – Unison 4 million – Celine Dion 6 million – The Colour Of My Love 15 – 17 million – Falling into you 32 million – Let’s talk about Love 31 million – These are Special Times 12 million Are they re charted after their release ??? Why do you want Mariah’s 1990’s albums stay the same sales they were since their release at the 1990’s while you have any problem with Celine’s albums that still increase through the years although they not re-charted since their release as well as Mariah’s ? This is like this you prove your objectivity? HanahxD says: June 28, 2011 at 10:54 amTrish,the reason made a fool out of you again and again.he asked you to be specific and answer with answers on Mariah but when he does that you only reply by mocking Celine that is pathetic.people can think,I don’t think you can. Every time someone corners you,you change subject and insult people.you said you would spit on Celine, get ashamed for that.you must be insane to feel the need to attack another human being.the reason and other people here attack you because they can’t stand your partiality and laughable posts,they never attack Mariah, because what they claim is right so they are not angry to attack Mariah.you are angry and mad because you can’t support Mariah and you do what nobody else does with insults that should not be said by a female to another female.and I read you are here for over a year and people say you insult Madonna since 2010 that makes you more sad.like these are not enough I see you personally attack all debaters here,you hate them.why would anyone care if debaters here are boyfriends or not!this is none of our business and people shouldn’t go to personal stuff.you insult people of not being men enough,but you should think that you are not woman enough.no woman that respects herself insults other women that never harmed her,no woman with dignity ever uses the trash vocabulary you do.if you want to leave,leave.you add nothing new,you repeat only yourself and deny what others say and nobody wants you here either@ the reason you are by far the best debater here and you know your stuff.you know about sales and music. But you should use less insults no matter how mad people here make you.i see that you like Mariah, but sure you love Celine more.but you supported Mariah perfectly before.just watch your vocabulary and don’t judge peoples education.bye bye TRISH says: June 28, 2011 at 11:16 amMariah never said Emotions sold 10 million “records”.She didn’t precise in fact.Mariah isn’t stupid enough to said that.The sales of Singles like Emotions,Can’t Let Go,Make It Happen,If It’s Over total approximately 7 million.So,how it could possible that the album + his singles reached just 10 million even at 1998 ? Your effort to diminish the Emotions records sales just fail. Yes,I don’t want you to reply when I address a post directly to another debater.About what you addressed to Carla,this is different.Cause you talked about the Emotions album and singles,so this is not a close comment.Anyone could reply on a post that talk about an artist work or achievement. You said that you know Mariah’s stuff 10 times better than me? Do you think so,just because you consult crap links to explain everything you talk about ? As trying to prove that Madonna have a wider vocal range than Whitney Houston according to a link?? That Celine is a better dancer than Mariah when everyone laugh at her comedic moves and pull faces on stage? Hahaha ! You make a mistake Lucky.I am so better than you ! since I know Mariah, Celine and Madonna’s stuff a billion times better than you. You said ” you can’t even swallow I like Mariah.” I would do only if I was stupid and ill advised.Do you think you like Mariah just because you reprimand some improvised debaters that have insult her ? This is so easy.After so many fights with me,you hardly admit that Mariah has over Celine: influence,writing,producing,composing skills,Hit maker than Celine. But,who doesn’t beat Celine on these points ??? Madonna,Beyonce,Britney,Whitney,Aretha,Taylor Swift,Christina Aguilera,etc… also beat Celine in those points.Mariah Carey beats all these women on these achievements. About voice,you admit Mariah has a better voice than Madonna.Wow ! really funny…LMAO ! About voice you said that I Claimed Cute voice,sweet voice etc…Yes,everyone agree with me on this,unlike you that prove nothing on Celine’s voice with your Bb2, A3,etc then her songs prove nothing than some rooster crow. I repeat you that you proved nothing at all on the entire debate.You never brought any proof,just bring proofs and facts honey.Then we will accept your claims. The Reason says: June 28, 2011 at 5:06 pmYou are a laughable troll and nothing more.1)Mariah mentioned 10m records for Emotions in 1998.#FAIL2)”you hardly admit that Mariah has over Celine: influence,writing,producing,composing skills,Hit maker than Celine.”I have been explaining this since POST 15 here when Imentioned CLEARLY all these with the word MUSICIANSHIP.Move your retarded ass and read post 15. NOW BITCH ! GO !Did I ever put this word next to Celine ? No. Move on !#SECOND FAIL3) ”The sales of Singles like Emotions,Can’t Let Go,Make It Happen,If It’s Over total approximately 7 million”The debate is OVER after this phrase.Emotions : Gold Us (500k+) and N.Zeland (5k)Can’t Let Go : Gold Us (500k+)Make It Happen : (300k+ In Us, not certified)If It’s Over : – Minimal release in some Europeanmarkets. Charted only in Dutch singles chart #80.Therefore 2 Us Gold certifications of 4 singles leadto a total of 7.000.000 copies like you posted. Thatwould mean the Album Emotions sold 65m copies since itis certified 4xPLATINUM in Us which is 8 times MORE thanthe certifications of its singles.Shall I say that you Fail ? Yeah you FAIL ! :)4)”As trying to prove that Madonna have a wider vocal range than Whitney Houston according to a link?? That Celine is a better dancer than Mariah when everyone laugh at her comedic moves and pull faces on stage.”It is a fact Madonna can’t sing. Vocal range doesn’tmean ABILITY, UNLESS the artist knows how to use it, likeMariah does. It is unbelievable that you insist attackingmy reliability, because you don’t have music knowledgeand you correlate big range to good singers. No matterhow many thin/loud notes Madonna can access she is notgood at all. Clear ? She can scream. Period. Wake up andopen a music theory book cause I am bored of yourstupidity ! I will put it simple. Vocal range showsPOTENTIAL. Proper technique and placement and breathcontrol show SKILLS.Mariah = POTENTIAL + SKILLS = PERFECTMadonna has SOME range because she can scream.youtube.com/watch?v=GAH5Gi-Awo0Listen to this video and tell me if you think she issinging, cause I say SHE DOESN’T, no matter the thinannoying notes. Open you ears, open your mind and stopthinking I am a liar.+ Celine is a MUCH better performer than MC. Peopleactually laugh at this and hardly ever pay tickets toattend : : youtube.com/watch?v=xc8NT617yHcMariah will never gross more than $100m from a tour.#FAIL”There is Celine’s 1990?s albums worldwide sales till May 2000.”Where did you find this list ? Oh yeah, YOUR estimations.#FAILFinally I LAUGH cause you try miserably to corner meusing the single sales of Mariah and Celine. Ok retard,we will first discuss Mariah’s singles and THEN Celine’scause talking about both of them the same time will makea total mess. I have been waiting and waiting for you tobring certifications of her first 5 singles. I amchallenging you like I did 2 weeks ago !!!We finish Mariah’s sales and move on to Celine’s. :)——>LOL @ you saying I didn’t bring any facts. Whole industry, labels, media, magazines prove all my statements. LmaoYou are still contradicting and manipulate facts, evenMariah’s own words and things she stated to create herown biographies. LMAO She would spit at your face.And I don’t need links to explain myself. Links are justa bonus of what I am saying. I just like to be totallyclear with what I post and show that I don’t createthings. Moreover NO links or sources or awards orannouncements ever contradicted with my links so that’sanother fail dear. + Many of my links where frommagazines because YOU said you trust magazines. And nowyou call me a liar for following your own references ?Dear, you FAIL ! LMAO @ at your little mind. You actlike there’s another magazine or source to claim theopposite. Xa xa xa ! And no, you are not better. You arejust an idiot. A big idiot to be honest.#Ooooops. I am much superior. Go back to your trailerpark. Thanx The Reason says: June 28, 2011 at 5:27 pmAnd please don’t talk again about vocal issues. Youcan’t even say which notes make Celine’s range 2.7octaves. -.-‘ I don’t know anything about fashion soI don’t mention fashion and famous designers.I don’t know why I bother replying to all this. I am theonly guy in this world that spends time on you. Lmao.Show some dignity and leave. You music and sales”knowledge” is a fu**ing mess, proved by your dumbestimations on the Emotion album. I don’t prove that youfail. Simple maths prove your failure.+You know Mariah better than me ?”I am very impatient to discover Mariah in a new Pop album!”LMAO Then listen to her latest Xmas album, you imbecill.It is all popish with the exception of Motown (WhenChristmas Comes) and a classically influenced pop song(Adeste Fideles) and an rnb cut (Here comes SantaClaus).+ Her debut and especially Emotions are NOT pop albumsat all. The debuts contains some adult contemporarymusic mixed with some rnb or pop or soft rockinstrumentations. As of Emotions it features rnb,gospel, pop , soul and jazz.#Oooooops ! You can’t even talk about her music genresdumb cow. Music Box is her only pure pop album andDaydream comes next (Talking about 90s) as it is 40%pop and 60% soft rnb. I am still laughing at youconsidering Without You and All I Want For Christmas IsYou ROCK songs. #DEAD at your lunacy & ignorance.#Dismissed by all means..!<3 TRISH says: June 29, 2011 at 8:44 amMariah said Emotions album sold 10 million since 1998.Today,Emotions album sold at 14 million worldwide.End Of Story xxx…zzzz….zzzzzAbout the vocal range question,you just fail.Children can whistle like Mariah usually do,without even be conscientious of this.Nevertheless,children has any vocal technique nor ability skills.A child doesn’t have POTENTIAL. Proper technique and placement and breathcontrol etc…to show his skills.show SKILLS Vocal range has nothing to do with musical knowledge and vocal technique – Since her childhood,Mariah had hit very high notes and whistle notes,according to her Mom.Your crap theory FAILAbout Celine’s Singles.She doesn’t sold singles at all compare with Mariah Carey,she just able to clown around in front of people on stage.Nobody buy her crap singles – FAIL Celine is a very great and successful clown on stage,that’s why she has so many successes with her concerts.But,she is a zero performer beside Mariah,Mariah is the top female performer ever.Celine can only dream to perform a song live the way Mariah could do.She amaze anyone with her loud nasal rooster crows anymore.Everyone is boring by this,this is so easy,so predictable.- FAIL Celine will never sell more than 10 units from a Single.Pfffft…..Ztztztztztz ! -FAILYou are not more than a pig. Dear a-hole,I am so better than you and your crap theories. Take it honey. TRISH says: June 29, 2011 at 9:06 amMariah’s 1990’s albums are Pop albums,except for Butterfly and Rainbow. Mariah Carey is a pure pop album – FAILEmotions is a Pop album that is influenced by the R&B and jazz. Emotions,You’re So Cold,To Be Around You,Make It Happen are pop songs.Moreover,the other songs are ballads Pop/R&B.- FAIL Yes All I Want For Christmas Is You is a Pop/Rock song.Besides,The Rollings Stones magazine rank it as one of the best Rock Christmas Song of all times -FAIL I laughed most at you when you claim Celine’s songs as Rock songs just because they have an electric guitar in the background music.Some songs like Where Does My Heart Beat Now,Think Twice,You Even cited Mariah’s Open Arms as a Rock song,that show you know nothing on musical genre,but just states a music is a Rock song when it has a few electric guitar at its musical background.- FAIL- Unison 4 million About Celine’s albums – Celine Dion 6 million – The Colour Of My Love 15 – 17 million – Falling into you 32 million – Let’s talk about Love 31 million – These are Special Times 12 million – All The Way,A Decade Of Songs – 16 million All these datas were giving by Sony Music 2000, dear a-hole.I dare you to explain me when these albums were recharted to give the huge amounts that you still posts in your lies and that your crap links support. Are they re charted after their release ??? Vermin,you want to border Mariah’s sales at their 1990’s sales.I discover you,then everyone just see how much you are a crafty liar. LIAR ! PIG ! If I could only slap you,and spit on your face !!! TRISH says: June 29, 2011 at 9:27 amDo you think I don’t know that Mariah’s Merry Christmas 2 you is a pop album? You are really retarded.Could I listen to a Christmas album outside the Christmas period? I talked about a simple album.Besides,I adressed it to tane,not to you. Just show me when Unison,Celine Dion,The Colour Of My Love,etc… were recharted to give the crap sales you post for them if you can.Scum ! Pig ! have a life like other normal guys.Don’t you get shame? TRISH says: June 29, 2011 at 9:34 amDear Mariah hater,your tricks are discovering and showing to everyone right now.You Insist Emotions still sold at 8 – million today.So Celine Dion album couldn’t surpass 3 million sales nowadays,since its 1998 sales were at 2 million worldwide.Inform yourself a-hole,slut,half-boy.Stop posting every craps giving by links.Be a normal guy,stop fantasize on Celine’s Huge nose,long chin and thin lips.She’s just an ugly artist,there is no reason to venerate her like you do.You are a shame for every boys in your country….Lol ! Don’t adress me anything in this blog anymore,ok? I don’t have to repeat it to you, male bitch ! The Reason says: June 29, 2011 at 9:36 am”Mariah said Emotions album sold 10 million since 1998.Today,Emotions album sold at 14 million worldwide.End Of Story xxx…zzzz….zzzzz”10m Since ? Since ? SINCE ? Do you know English at all ?Do you know the meaning of the word SINCE ? Sit down.It was in 1998 when she said it sold 10m records BY 1998.Same data her Label released in 1999. #FAIL”About the vocal range question,you just fail.Children can whistle like Mariah usually do,without even be conscientious of this.Nevertheless,children has any vocal technique nor ability skills.A child doesn’t have POTENTIAL. Proper technique and placement and breath control etc…to show his skills.show SKILLS Vocal range has nothing to do with musical knowledge and vocal technique – Since her childhood,Mariah had hit very high notes and whistle notes,according to her Mom.”This is what I am saying you dork ! These are my words.Mariah is great cause she has BOTH potential andskills. Little children just have a range because theygo really high screaming ! Is this skills ? NO ! YOU saidit ! This is the deal with Madonna ! This is what I amexplaining for weeks. She is a sh***y singer no matterher ”range” or thin little loud notes. So trying tosay I fail is a FAIL. See what I mean : havingingredients to make a cake (Having Potential) doesn’tmean you can make a cake unless you know the recipe(Skills) and know all proportions (Technique). Mariahhad nodules and she was properly trained and that’s whyshe is who she is. Even a 12 year old could get myexplanations NEXT ->1) Mariah a better performer ? LMAO Mariah can’t hold acandle next to Celine in performing. She can’t betheatrical or use movements based to the songs meaningand lyrics. She is a great technical singer, nota performer. Her voice blends with music, NOT herbody. She actually SMILED when she sang ”If it’s over”in 1991 Grammy. What kind of great performer smilesduring a tragic sad song ? Mariah is like a robot onstage. This is why she can’t sellout 3.000 seats arenasfor her pre-recorded boring shows. She is like soawkward. Mariah could never feel confident enough andset the stage on fire like that :youtube.com/watch?v=KEQaF64w_uwCan you dispute what I am saying by showing me ONE videoout of Mariah’s 20 YEARS Career where she does somethingexpressive that shows her performing skills ? Or herdance skills ? I bet you can’t.2) People still buy Celine’s albums so people not caringabout her records, just because they don’t download herstuff is so dumb. Only you could make such a failedcorrelation. #FAILCeline has been Sony’s money machine since early 1996till 2011 and she has the biggest contract with thebiggest label of this planet. Celine has the biggestlabel for a live entertainment deal. Her show affectedthe economy level of a whole city and offered employmentto over 100 families there. She has been mentioned theGlobal Diva several magazines. Her show got rave reviews(I know you wonder what’s that since music critics havebeen panning Mariah’s tours since the opening night ofher Music Box tour). She already grossed more than $20mdollars and already 100.000 people attended her concerts.When was the last time Mariah ever did that ? Oh yeah.Never. As Celine being a clown, this only proves yourignorance and stupidity. Celine’s new show is nottheatrical at all. The set list consists only fromballads and soft songs and the show features andorchestra and many covers so there is no space leftfor anything comedic. People walk out being emotionalor crying after performances of ”Ne me quitte pas”,”All By Myself”, ”At Seventeen” , ”My Heart WillGo On”… Funny songs ? No. Comedic moves ? No. Peoplestill buying tickets ? Yes. TRISH Failed ? Yes.3) Moreover you insist Celine is just a clown. Let’ssuppose you are 100% right. That would mean thatCeline’s clown moves are much more interestingand APPEALING than Mariah’s so called :– Excellent Live Singing– Great Performing Skills– Perfect Dancing Skills– Best Moving SongsSo Celine beats all these Mariah’s assets with herclown moves ? LMAO That would mean Mariah really sucksfor being unable to have people attend her concerts(therefore be INFERIOR to touring) just for the sake ofCeline’s comedian skills. Logic thought just made youfail.4) As of singles…Why don’t you dare showing me Mariah’sfirst 5 singles and their sales/certifications ?Oh yeah, cause you probably learned you limits.You got cornered and embarrassed after your parody of thesingles of ”Emotions” that reached 7m because of 2Gold Us certifications they received. LMAO Based on thisthe album sold over 65m copies worldwide. #FAIL5) You are nothing more than a pressed retarded attentionwhore that comes back not to support Mariah – you can’tdo that because your knowledge is limited – but justfor the sake of keeping fighting against me. No matterhow much you try to make me mad, I will always have timeand guts to reply to everything you post – every littleword you post. You don’t know where you got yourselfinto. Dear slut, suck it. TRISH says: June 29, 2011 at 9:40 amYou try to claim Mariah is a R&B artist while you try to improve Celine at a Pop Rock artist.Mariah has some Rock songs,but Celine doesn’t have any Rock songs.Just The electric guitar below her ballad songs doesn’t make her an Rock singer – FAIL Mariah is not just a Hip Hop artist,but also a pop artist. She is a billion times better than Celine in Pop/ballad songs,dance,Soul,etc… According to Hit Parade Charts,her singles,sales and the popularity of her songs worldwide.Celine is just successful as clown and by recycling past songs and hits from ather artists.Don’t be delusional. Bye dear pig TRISH says: June 29, 2011 at 9:42 amEmotions has sold 10 million back to 1998.Don’t try to take advantage of my slip pen, a-hole ! TRISH says: June 29, 2011 at 9:44 amYes,Children has great range,Madonna doesn’t have great range,otherwise,she would be able to sing high note and Whistle effortless.Don’t try to mix vocal range with singing skills ! TRISH says: June 29, 2011 at 9:48 amNo,no idiot.Mariah doesn’t show her singing skills when she hit very loud and powerfull belts and notes,or her whistle notes,but her vocal capabilities. There are songs as So Blessed,Vanishing,Hero,etc… that show her unique singing skills and capability,since these songs doesn’t have special notes. The Reason says: June 29, 2011 at 10:02 am”Dear Mariah hater,your tricks are discovering and showing to everyone right now.You Insist Emotions still sold at 8 – million today”Bitch, sit down. Her label and sites show sales of 8mfor Emotions. I say 9m. End of story.”All these datas were giving by Sony Music 2000,dear a-hole”You retard, your post yesterday showed less sales forthese. Xa xa xa ! It showed 27m for Let’s Talk About Loveand now it shows 32m. Manipulative trash you FAIL.———————Emotions :Emotions : PopAnd You Don’t Remember : SoulCan’t Let Go : PopMake It Happen : Rnb, GospelIf It’s Over : Rnb, SoulYou’re So Cold : PopSo Blessed : ACTo Be Arund You : Pop,RnbTill The End Of Time : PopThe Wind : JazzThis is album is more of a mixed bag than a pure popalbum.Music Box :Dreamolver : Pop, RnbHero : Pop, ACAnytime You Need A Friend : Pop, GospelMusic Box : PopNow That I Know : PopNever Forget You : RnbWithout You : PopJust To Hold You Once Again : PopI’ve Been thinking about you : PopAll I’ve ever wanted : PopThis is a pure pop album by all means.Daydream POP ? LMAOFantasy : Pop, RnbUnderneath The Stars : RnbOne Sweet Day : RnbOpen Arms : Rock, PopAlways Be My Baby : RnbI Am Free : Pop, SoulWhen I Saw You : PopLong Ago : RnbMelt Away : RnbForever : Pop, 50s influencedDaydream : RnbLooking In : PopSo how come this is a pop album ? Jesus !And no, All I want for Christmas is you is NOT rock song.Can you mention its rock influences ? No !And if you laugh at me for saying a song is rockinfluenced because it features ELECTRIC GUITAR thengo to a doctor immediately. Dumbass.You want to slap me and spit on my face ? Lmao youlunatic ! Why ?Because I have you cornered and pressed ? Because youcan’t think ?Suck it and get lost. :))) The Reason says: June 29, 2011 at 10:45 am227 and 228. Madonna doesn’t sing high notes. This iswhat I am saying -.-‘ She reaches them but doesn’tSING them. Move on. And yes Mariah’s quality is shownall through her range. Who said the opposite ? You areboring.Finally check my commments 295-308 at the previouspage of this debate. I have been answering to all yoursilly questions about Celine’s album sales and explainedher labels announcements after you had mentioned herDvd. Funny how trust everything said about Celine byher label but when it comes to Mariah’s sales her labelsmake mistakes of 100m records. You are pathetic and dumb. The Reason says: June 29, 2011 at 10:54 amYou are such an idiot ! I NEVER mixed singing skills tovocal range ! I am saying that these two are differentthings. You used to say that vocal range shows goodsingers. And no children CAN’T SING ! They have rangecause they go high, but CAN’T SING ! Same with Madonna !Omh ! can’t you understand simple English ? :(((And Vanishing is a very demanding songs by the way. Inits live perfomances Mariah would click from chest beltto whistle register which is TWO octaves higher.I just can’t at your stupidity. You don’t know what you rtalking about. Get lost. I ve had enough of you for a day. TRISH says: June 29, 2011 at 10:56 amEmotions albums sold 14 million worldwide ! – I repeat it,all Mariah’s 1990’s albums are Pop albums.Except for Butterfly and rainbow ! Show me when Unison pass to 2 million to 4 million as its not recharted since its release.Show me when Falling Into You 27 million sales by 2000 become 32 million to 20011.since it was not recharted.Why Emotions 8 million at 1998 would increase by just 1 million to 2011 to giving 9 million worldwide in 2011 while Celine Dion album that was at 2 million in 1998 would increase by 4 million new sales to giving 6 million? Same goes for all their albums ! I dare you to explain this,crafty LIAR ! You hate me because I am smart enough to discover your tricks to spread your lies ! TRISH says: June 29, 2011 at 10:59 amYes,I would do anything,just to meet you for slapping you and spitting on your devil face because of so many tricks you use in these debates just to make ill advised ones swallow your lies ! YOU ARE A LIAR ! I disgurting you ! TRISH says: June 29, 2011 at 11:01 amSo,you are a bigger experts than the Musical experts that state Fantasy a Pop/Rock song and AIWFCIY a Rock Christmas song? You surely find it in a link ! Mariah is a Pop / Hip Hop artist. No question about it ! TRISH says: June 29, 2011 at 11:04 amCeline is far to be a Rock artist,sorry.She’s just a Pop/ballad performer and a AC performer very dear,nothing else. TRISH says: June 29, 2011 at 11:10 amYOU SAID EMOTIONS 8 MILLION IN 1998 = 9 MILLION IN 2011 BECAUSE ITS NOT RECHARTED SO. UNISON 1,5 MILLION IN 1998 = 2,5 MILLION IN 2011 CELINE DION 2 MILLION IN 1998 = 3 MILLION IN 2011 I COULD GO ON… SO SIMPLE. CRAFTY LIAR. YOU JUST WANTED TO TAKE DOWN MARIAH’S ALBUMS,WHILE INCREASE CELINE’S. YOU FAIL HATER ! What the what?? says: June 29, 2011 at 1:41 pmI’M BACK!! Go-ahead. Welcome me! Applaud, cheer, insult me. Whatever makes you comfortable. Looks like I have lots of replying to do here! But I won’t be replying all at once! So tired… @ You went back to “TRISH” I see Post 154: l will never tired to post comments like other debaters do.I will not the first to leave this debate anymore !” Post 170: Your last post for a while Post 198: came back Also said “I’m done with this debate.Now you are free to say anything you want about these legends.But don’t provoke me please.Otherwise, I will back to confront you…” Post 202: “If you want to continue debating with me,don’t hesitate Moff.Just tell me that !” Post 207: You start debating again, mostly with your friend The Reason If you didn’t know where I was getting at, you’re really confusing. I repeat you that you proved nothing at all on the entire debate. – Post 217 You make me laugh so much. You’re the one accusing someone else of not posting their sources, when you haven’t given one single proof that your estimations are correct. You try to sound smart by avoiding giving us proof by asking all of them questions that you can’t answer yourself. I’m too tired… Be back tomorrow! Maybe… Mariah4ever says: June 29, 2011 at 3:37 pm“She actually SMILED when she sang ”If it’s over”in 1991 Grammy. What kind of great performer smilesduring a tragic sad song ? Mariah is like a robot onstage” At least Mariah smiled and she was so beautiful.Celine would pull one face and amuse people,with ugly and comedic facial expressions,like she always does in all of her songs.This is so ugly to see ! Mariah is the most beautiful great-voice artist, skillful vocalist that ever live on earth .The rares beautiful ladies that sing have no voice,the ones that have great voice have no beauty.That’s why there will never be another Mariah Carey ! Celine =Ugly clown Mariah=Beautiful & gorgeous diva Mariah4ever says: June 29, 2011 at 3:55 pmMariah is the only one that have combined a great beauty with amazing /huge vocal talent Celine is too ugly to be my model The Reason says: June 29, 2011 at 6:31 pm@ Post 232 – 2361)Emotions sold 9m. Her label says 8m. Mariah said 10m records by 1998. Her site ”Mariah Journal” says 8m as well.2)None of Mariah’s albums were pop as they included many rnb influences among other genres. (gospel, soul. jazz)3)Everything else you question on Celine’s albums are clear in posts of the previous page of this debate.(295-308). First of all, you never brought any official announcement here. This is your first huge lie. YOU only posted your biased estimations on Celine’s albums and had the nerve to call it an official Sony Bmg Announcement. YOU claim her Unison album sold 2m by 1998. This list showing Unison standing at 2m doesn’t exist. Moreover I have already proved how Celine’s albums from 1994 were certified in 2000 or 2001 or 2002 or 2003. There are established certification dates and they have all been posted. Most of her 90s stuff got their final certifications in early 00’s. They were counted then. I never claimed Celine’s 90s albums sold millions during the 00s cause I am not crazy like you. YOU are the one to claim Mariah’s Emotions sold over 4m in the 00s decade, so maybe you should be the one to give answers here. You don’t expose any lies as I never lie. Everything I claim in confirmed by the industry, labels, biographies, sites. How do you dare asking me questions when you claim 200m albums for Mariah and then post 160m album sales per country ? I advice you to FIRST explain yourself and THEN make questions to people.4)Mariah is an Rnb/Hip Hop and the pop artist. Even her vocal techniques and style and her personal preference prove so. She was highly influenced by rnb, not pop singers. She felt free in 1997 when she did what she wanted. An album with few pop tracks. I am not saying she is not good at pop but point is she doesn’t credit herself as a pop artist and nobody else does.5) None of Mariah’s songs you mentioned are rock songs. How come Fantasy is a rock song ? Why don’t you prove me what influences make it a rock song ? I already asked you and you don’t reply. This doesn’t strike me as I already know you know nothing on music.6) I never credited Celine as a rock artist. I said SOME of her stuff are rock INFLUENCED. She doesn’t even have a pure rock song. Do you think I am dumb and biased to credit Celine for things she never did ? You really need to LEARN TO READ, cause yesterday you indirectly attacked me for crediting Celine for having musicianship.7)Everything you wrote on post 236 in capitals (LMAO crazy retard) are all your fake numbers. Don’t you get shamed to say that Sony Bmg said Unison sold 1.5m in 1998 ? YOU posted a while ago it sold 2m by then. Then droped by 0.5m ! Something is wrong with you. Not only you post lies but you also forget your actions. Old people have these symptoms. Poor girl.8)No lies were exposed. I don’t contradict with sources and certification dates. Sorry. You have to try again.9)You want to slap me ? Oh come to Greece then. Otherwise you can kiss my lovely ass.@Mariah4ever (TRISH)Yes Mariah smiled and she was beautiful as she always is. Still, she is a sh***y performer and this is what we talk about. If you want to defend her performing skills go on and do it. Don’t insult Celine to make Mariah look better. This is pathetic. Nobody mocked Mariah. Why do you mock Celine ? Answer : Cause you are pressed and can’t think to save your life. #Oooops. Celine is also too polite to be your model.@ what the whatWelcome back. You figured out how TRISH is a great combination of drama queen and attention whore. She is out of control now as she says she wants to beat me and spit on Madonna’s and Celine’s face. LOL @ her lunacy.Please, take note at her post where she claimed the singles from ”Emotions” sold almost 7m copies worldwide, when they only got two Gold Us certifications. That would mean her album ”Emotions” sold over 65m copies as it is 4xPlatinum in Us and certified worldwide. And that cow has the nerve to ask questions on sales. Will I be mean to tell her she should finish elementary school and learn basic maths ? Lmao. She is so dismissed. Keep up the good work, dear. GAMBIT says: June 30, 2011 at 6:54 amTrish,you are right.Madonna doesn’t have a great range as Maria and Whitney,this is a lie.For the sales question,if Emotions sold 9 million by 2011,Celine Dion album would sold 5 million the most,since Emotions was way most successful and got most certifications. than Celine Dion album,whatever say links. You are right Trish,Celine’s albums doesn’t reappears on Charts as well as Mariah’s.Besides,not just celine’s albums sales grow up throughout the years,but also Mariah’s.I don’t encourage the insults,but I admit you are right in your claims. MOFF says: June 30, 2011 at 8:44 amGambit = Trish.:) BUTTERFLY says: June 30, 2011 at 10:06 am@ Post 2401)Emotions sold 14 million.Her label just use her 1990’s sales and doesn’t update Mariah’s sales by 2011. Mariah said 10m albums by 1998. You said: Her site ”Mariah Journal” says 8m as well.Her site also said Mariah is the best selling female artist of all times with sales over 250 million records worldwide.See?2)All Mariah’s albums were pop even they included many rnb influences among other genres. (gospel, soul. jazz).They stay Pop albums. Nobody says Mariah’s 1990’s albums were 100% Pop.But,We say Mariah is a Pop artist.Neither Celine’s 1990 albums were not 100 % Pop as well as Mariah’s.But,she stay a Pop performer.3)You proved nothing n Celine’s 1990’s albums.All that you said is that they surpass Mariah’s cause they were not counted at the 2000 year as Mariah’s.I show you the list of Celine’s sales giving by Sony BMG Music by 2000,but you refute it since it doesn’t support your lies and your crap links. You refute a Sony claim about Celine’s sales while you try to make swallow some fan made links and your delusional statements.Who do you think you are ? A Celine representative ? 4)Mariah is not border as artist.Her vocal techniques and style match with every musical genres,not only in Rnb/Hip Hop genre.As a pop artist,Mariah is unbeatable in every other genres she performs.Pop/Ballads,AC,Soul/R&B,Dance,Contemporary R&B,Gospel,Rock,Jazz,etc… 5)Mariah has Someday,You need Me,Bringing On The Heartbreak as pure Rock songs.Celine doesn’t have any pure Rock song.About Fantasy and All I Want For Christmas Is You,just tell your opinion to the experts that states so.I don’t try to credit Mariah as a Rock artist,but I want to show to everyone that Mariah is a multi various artist,not border only in Pop and Hip Hop genres.9)You said me: “… Oh come to Greece then. Otherwise you can kiss my lovely ass.” You just counfond me with Moff.Maybe If I were a boy,I would kiss your ass like usually do Moff.But I would rather kick your slut ass ! BUTTERFLY says: June 30, 2011 at 10:07 amLucky Luke = MOFF = What The What The Reason says: June 30, 2011 at 12:09 pm@ GAMBIT (TRISH)You retard, I never said Madonna has an impressive SINGING range as I clearly mentioned she can’t sing her notes, just screams and becomes thin and annoying. So you can take a fu**ing seat for attacking my knowledge. Your sarcasm comes from the person that said Subo is a better singer than Mariah ? Sorry, I’ll pass. Second, Celine Dion album INDEED sold like 5m. Why do we have to mention Celine everytime we talk about Mariah’s albums ? Are you pressed bitch ? Stay like that. Who are you to say who is right and wrong ? Aren’t you the big dumbass that called Subo the best selling female artist ? How come you know stuff on Mariah’s and Celine’s sophomore albums in specific when you posted all this bullacrap on Subo’s first album ? #Oooops You don’t encourage insults ? Bitch go to hell, you entered here insulting Moff as a slut, TRISH as a whore and animal and called me pig. Crazy much ? Yes. C Ya.@ GUTTERFLY1)How come Emotions sold 8m by 1998 and 6m from 1999-2011 ? PROVE IT ! This would mean her large sellers that sold over 25m copies would sell over 10m during the 00s in PROPORTION as they are her strong sellers and most popular albums. #FAIL2)Mariah Journal shows sales of 200m records and doesn’t credit her as being the best selling female artist. Here you are lying creep : mariahjournal.com/infozone/charts/albums/worldwide/index.shtml #LIE EXPOSED #BIG FAKE ASS OWNED3)An album featuring many genres is a mixed bag. Not a pure pop album. If you put 3 balls of chocolate ice cream and 1 strawberry and 1 vanilla you don’t eat chocolate you dork. You taste a nice combination of flavours. This is the case we Mariah’s 1990-1995 albums. NEXT->4)Celine’s albums were all 90%+ pop. A few tracks that were not pop, where still pop in their base and influenced by some other genres. NEXT->5)You showed no list because you changed the numbers the 2nd time you posted it. How come there is an official Sony Bmg list about Celine and I ignore about it ? When you mentioned her sales based on the All The Way Dvd I responded as I knew about it. Who do you think you are for mentioning lists you can’t prove ? A Sony Bmg Representantive ? Here I am ! I am asking you a straight question. Where did you find this list ? Where ? *waiting*6)Who said Mariah is a border artist you idiot ? Did I ever implied she is limited ? Tell me you are sick ? You are uneducated ? What is your fu**ing problem ? I know damn well Mariah’s flexibility over music genres, she can sing almost everything. What I said is that she is infuenced by rnb artists. FACT. Most of her stylistic singing stuff are mainly used in rnb singing. FACT. She is widely expressed by rnb and hip hop. FACT. These facts don’t make her limited and I never said something like that.7)None of these are pure rock songs. Someday is dance pop as well, You Need Me has too careful and soft musical instrumentation (except for the solo) to be credited as pure rock and Bringing on the heartbreak is rnb in parts. If You need me is considered pure rock for you then I guess you should consider Celine’s Des mots qui sonnent and J’irai ou tu iras pure rock. If Someday is rock for you then Dans un autre monde is pure rock. If Bringing on the heartbreak is pure rock then Tout pres du bonheaur and Tout l’or des hommes are pure rock by all means.8)No dear, Moff could never drop his level to say he wants to beat people or spit them. This is your big difference. He doesn’t have psychological problems. You do. And I think you deserve to kiss my ass, than touch my face. You are good enough for my ass, not my face.9)Your post 144 is ignored.10)Before you ask questions on sales maybe you should either take back or explain how Mariah sells 200m albums when your sales per market show 160m and then explain how two gold Us certifications equal to sales of 7m copies. This would mean the album ”Emotions” sold over 65m worldwide in proportion.Back to your trailer lovely retard, insect.@ MOFFI know. Tane was right, while I have to admit I never thought of it in the start. Now I see, it is not by chance he appeared when Trish had nothing to answer on Mariah’s Japanese sales, got cornered and had ”left” the debate. She show Gabmit was over for his stupidity so she returned as the peaceful girl that wants to leave.@ TaneYou are a goddess. You figured out some sh***y tactics right from the start. You got my respect, girl. TRISH says: June 30, 2011 at 4:19 pm1)Mariah Daily Journal already shows sales of 250m records and credit her as being the best selling female artist.I had read it on March 2010 during Mariah’s pregnancy. 2)Mariah’s 1990’s albums are called Pop albums whatever if they are influenced by other musical genres.I never seen they put mixed album bag for Mariah’s Emotions,Daydream,Mariah Carey,etc… Besides,even Mariah’s R&B albums are influenced by the Pop genres and some other genres.They are not 100% Hip/Hop.3)You are just embarrassed by my list.Because you are just unable to refute my list about Sony which concern Celine’s 1990’s albums sales.Since you usually claim Celine’s 1990’s albums were not clear unlike Mariah’s just to make swallow that Celine’s 1990’s albums surpass Mariah’s -FAIL7) Someday is a pure Rock song. . If You need me is pure rock beside Celine’s Des mots qui sonnent and J’irai ou tu iras that have nothing to do with Rock music,except for the electric guitar. How dare you compare Someday with the trash song Dans un autre monde ? Do you think than those songs could be Rock songs just because this is Celine that perform them ? You also compare Bringing on the heartbreak with Celine’s Tout pres du bonheaur and Tout l’or des hommes .You just forget than everyone can listen to these songs and discover how much you are a creep liar ! HOW COULD YOU COMPARE BRINGN ON THE HEARTBREAK WITH CELINE’S TOUT L’OR DES HOMMES ON ROCK INFLUENCE?????????????????????????? ARE YOU FOOL ????? I have nothing to say after this. You are completely ill because of this camel called Celine.8) How would a healthy guy could talk about his ass ? True and healthy guys talk about their dick and are proud about it.There is just half-guys like you that are proud enough about their asses to talk about it like this.Dear,it’s normal that Moff f**ck your ass since he’s your husband.But about me I have to kick your ass and spit on your face.Maybe Moff could never drop his level to hurt you by insults,but he take pleasure to hurt you by fuc**ng your slut and spoil ass.Bitch ! TRISH says: June 30, 2011 at 4:45 pmMariah’s Emotions sold 14 million worldwide.You fail in your crap theories.You proved nothing at all. Sorry,you’d better forget your clown and your coward husband called Moff that you never stopped to defend.What a shame,you make me want to vomit ! The Reason says: June 30, 2011 at 7:55 pm1) You are a big liar. I showed you the link of her site and it still claims 200m records just like Island Def Jam did in December 2010 while promoting her Xmas album. You don’t get anywhere with lies. Moreover, even if her site claims 250m records, that alone puts you in total shame for claiming 300m records. In both cases you are the delusion dumbass. #FAIL2) These albums are pop and rnb and feature other genres so you can’t just call everything pop, unless you are an ignorant. #Oooops you are ! Daydream was the album were she leaned towards urban and rnb/hip hop while balancing the whole album with pop AC tracks. You said Mariah’s Fantasy (Remix) made her influential for mixing pop/rnb with hip hop. So how come Daydream is a pure pop album and not an rnb/pop album ? Logic thought will make you repeat yourself again like a fool. Poor thing. :/3) Yes dear. You said it right. I embarrassed YOUR list. Not any list by Sony Bmg. Official lists exist on the internet. Biased, crappy lists exist on your retarded head. You would show me the list if you could. But you can’t. Yes you read right. I challenge you and tell you, you can’t. And yes, Celine’s 90’s albums received their certifications up to 2004. #FACT4)Someday is a dance song. Why do people dance on the video ? If it was a rock song you’d probably see Mariah rocking and not moving like she’s dancing. It is a perfect mix of soft rock and dance pop. Next -> You say Celine’s songs are not rock despite the fact that they use electric guitar ? Ok. So what makes Mariah’s songs pure rock ? Someday doesn’t have anything more than the Celine’s songs I mentioned in terms of arrangements. Anyone can listen to the respective Mariah’s and Celine’s songs and see I am so right…again ! They are not pure rock songs. Just influenced by the rock genre.5) I talked about my ass because crap comes out of it. And you belong exactly there. Next to my crap. Got it ? That’s your place. You don’t have enough value to suck my dick. My dick is too good for your sloppy wet mouth. By the way, I love how think you are in position to define and judge what is right and healthy. Maybe you’ll know better in 2012 after you’ll have spend 2 full years of your miserable life mocking people in here. How ironic !6) No bitch. Reply how Emotions sold 8m by 1998 – YOU said so and 14m by 2011. I don’t make any theories on this album. YOU are the one that can’t explain how this album sold over 6m from 1999-2011. It is simple question. What makes you unable to reply ? :-)7) Now go back to a mental hospital. Moff will be like you once he starts saying he feels the need to hurt people. The Reason says: June 30, 2011 at 8:51 pmPS : Someday is actually Jackswing. Bringing On TheHeartbreak is rock/rnb and features a gospel choir. Youneed me is pop/rock and Open Arms is pop/rock/AC ballad.There it ends. No pure rock song. As of Daydream it is60% rnb. Period. Make it happen is rnb/gospel. tane says: June 30, 2011 at 10:17 pmit has been said before by Whitney houston ‘why people do this is beyond me, I think its really shallow of people to be comparing artists together’people here especially me, are all being quite shallow:/ not to be mean or anything but hmm how do I put this, I think we all need to accept the truth of the facts being displayed here , but how can we when each and every fact we bring here are all completely different?@trish your facts are thorough but can be wrong at times, your undeniably a true Mariah Carey fan and I totally respect that, but what I don’t respect is some of the lies. I don’t hate you trish believe me, in person I believe we can be good friends but some of the lies I just don’t like. and when you said I tried to get sympathy from them that was just so ironic of you.by brains going in overload with all this info from everyone haha:) The Reason says: June 30, 2011 at 11:00 pm@ taneShe lied that ”Mariah Journal” mentioned sales od 250m. You know the site very well so you know who speaks the truth.She lied that Sony Bmg released a list in 1998 (then changed to 2000) where Unison’s sales stood at 2m then 1.5m. Surprisingly enough she can’t show us the list.She lied the singles from Emotions sold 7m, while the only got 2 gold Us and 1 gold N.Zealand certification.She lied that Emotions sold over 6m during the 00s, while the album never charted again since 1992 and is considered Mariah’s less popular 90s studio album by far. This would mean her more popular and well known albums would sell like 10m the least during the 00s.She will try to copy paste my answer – as usual – blaming me for lies. But my posts don’t have lies – she just calls lies the things SHE DENIES ! But every time I call her out on her lies she just avoids the subject.I am glad you figured out her lies and her crappy biased tactics. She never answers questions, she only changes subject targeting and mocking Celine. TRISH says: July 1, 2011 at 7:54 am1) You are a creep vulture. You showed nothing about Mariah’s record sales.Mariah Daily Journal claimed Mariah the best selling female artist of all times with sales over 250 million of records .I am right about everything I claimed here ! FAIL2) These Mariah 1990 albums are pop albums.They are called Pop albums.Mariah Carey and Daydream won many Awards for the Pop category,not Pop and rnb and feature other genres category. FAIL Daydream is mainly a Pop album.The album doesn’t include the remix of Fantasy.The Single of Fantasy got the Remix with ODB,not the Daydream album. FAIL 3) Yes dear.This is me,that embarrassed you and YOUR lies.I clearly show the Sony BMG List,but you can’t say crap about it ,cause your crap links doesn’t got enough lies to refute this list. FAIL Celine’s 90’s albums received their certifications up to 2004 because this is only by 2003 that they started to sell.So simple.That doesn’t make her a huge seller. FAIL4)Someday is a Rock song.Maybe Celine’s songs are Rock just because she Rocks with her huge nose,but that have any musical value… pffftt !5) You talked about your ass because many dicks usually enter inside it,including Moff’s dick. You are a shameless BITCH.Besides,there is any difference between a crap and you.I think that you are a billion times worst then crap, as you usually eat it.You don’t worth to belong even next to my crap,you can only eat it cause the crap is superior to you.You like to eat crap ? Good for you,continue to eat it cause this is the better thing that you worth to eat. About sucking dick, I think that you are better on this than me,since you implore every male debaters on Popdirt blogs to let you sucking their dicks. Oooooought !!!!!!! ….. Pervert Slut ! You don’t have dick at all for your own.Otherwise,you wouldn’t implore any guy like you do just to suck their dicks,then be fu**ed by them. What an ashamed bitch ! Then you say you finish lawyer school ! Great ! You’ll be a very good blowjob Lawyer !By the way,How could I suck your dick when you want to suck other guys dicks for your own? If I was a bitch,I would suck a dick from a man or from a real boy,not from a wanna be man.You are even not a half man.Your mother would surely be more proud of you if she had an abortion than giving birth to a perfect crap like you……xxzxx !6)Emotions sold 10m by 1998 – Then 14m by 2011. End Of Story ! Unison sold 1,5 in 1998,by 2011 it reach 2 million worldwide. Celine Dion sold 2 million in 1998,now its sales reach 3 million Any of them never reappered in charts,just like Emotions. Explain Celine’s Ceine Dion 2 million- 1998 – Then 6 million -2011 if you dare !7) You can say anything you want to defend Moff,since he will satisfy you later by fuc**g your miserable ass that nobody want to fu** anymore ,cause it is too much damaged by several thousands of dicks that make it more and more deeper. Bitch ! TRISH says: July 1, 2011 at 9:56 amTane,I don’t lie.Just consult the All The Way DVD Video.You will see very clearly Sony give every Celine’s Albums sales till May 2000.I Own this DVD video since July 2001 Tane,believe me.Since this time,every Celine’s 1990 albums sales were clear.So, saying that Celine surpass Mariah’s by 20 million album just because she got 2 or 3 supplementary new certifications sales by 2001 – 2003 is just a pure lie.The All The Way DVD even give the sales of All The Way album,that was at 16 million till May 2000. You will see every Celine’s sales for all her albums since 1990 to 2000 year.Everything was clear about her sales as well as Mariah’s sales.This is not a today link that could change those facts ! TRISH says: July 1, 2011 at 10:09 amTane,read it please.This vampire said MTV Unplugged sold 6- 7 million worldwide, while Sony claimed MTV Unplugged album reached 5 million sales worldwide shortly after its release in 1992.When it comes to Celine’s Unison and Celine Dion albums,he says that their 2011 sales reach 4 and 6 million respectively whereas till 1992,Unison reached 1 million sales worldwide and Celine Dion reached 2 million sales worldwide till 1993.So,how could MTV Unplugged increase by just 1 million new sales when Celine’s Unison and Celine Dion would increasing by 4 million new sales each ? can you explicit this to me Tane ? As you know,Emotions was way more popular than these both Celine’ Albums.When it come to Mariah’s albums,this vermin say they were not recharted,so their sales couldn’t increase by more than 1 million.But what about Celine’s album? Are they recharted unlike Mariah’s ? TRISH says: July 1, 2011 at 10:19 amThis vampire always try to take down Mariah’s sales certifications by saying Celine has much more Certifications sales than Mariah.For example,for A New day Has Come album, Celine needs to got Certifications sales coming from 20 different countries in the whole Europe to reach 3 million sales,while Mariah needs just 6 Platinum certifications sales just in USA to blow her away by 6 million sales for The Emancipation Of Mimi.See ? So,talking about Gold,Platinum,Diamond certifications sales mean nothing when the sales are not expressed clearly.Certifications sales worth nothing in Europe compare with USA. TRISH says: July 1, 2011 at 10:55 amTane,I really saw in Mariah Daily Journal they claimed Mariah the best selling female artist of all times with sales of 250 million records,you must believe me.I had read it in a interview at Marsh 2011,when Mariah had some nude photos with Nick Cannon for some Magazines covers during the last days of her pregnancy.I swear it,I don’t lie. TRISH says: July 1, 2011 at 11:36 am1) You are an uncomparable liar and a vulture.You showed nothing on Mariah’s sales,only delusional crap links and pathetic lies.Island Def Jam doesn’t count Mariah’s 1990 albums.Only Sony/Columbia could state about Mariah’s albums.Def Jam could only give estimations about Mariah’s sales between 2002- 2010. FAIL2) These Mariah’s albums are pop albums.Either they got some rnb and feature other genres,they stay Pop albums. FAIL 3)Mariah’s Daydream album doesn’t include the remix of Fantasy,the Single of Fantasy includes the Remix with ODB,not Daydream album FAILDaydream won an American Music Award as Best Pop/Rock Album- So,tell your little opinion to the musical experts that states so. FAIL 3)No dear.This is me that embarrassed YOUR crap links and delusional theories by which Celine’s 1990’s albums surpass Mariah’s. FAIL I challenge you to show how Unison,Celine Dion and The Colour Of My Love could ever surpass respectively 3,4 and 12 million sales.Since any of them didn’t recharted since their release at the 1990’s.Celine’s 90?s albums received their certifications to 2004 because they started to sell only by 2003.That doesn’t mean they reached huge amount of sales. FAIL4)Someday is a pure dance song.You Need Me and Bringin’ On The Heartbreak is 80 % Rock.Any of Celine’s french song you cited has nothing to do with Rock music. FAIL[REMOVED]6) Emotions sold 10m by 1998 – Then 14m by 2011. 7) Moff will be like me if he refused to fu** your bony and miserable ass ? You would be deceived if Moff would say he doesn’t want to hurt your damaged ass anymore .BITCH ! The Reason says: July 1, 2011 at 9:23 pm1) You are still lying and anyone can see what MariahJournal mentions as of June 2011. Failure is all yours.2) They are called pop albums by ignorants like you. 60%of Daydream is rnb. It the album where she leanedtowards urban rnb and her label didn’t like thatdecision. Same goes for Motolla who had fight with her.Mariah wanted BoyzIIMen – an rnb group – in the album,who pissed Tomy off. Melt Away, Long Ago, Underneath TheStars, One Sweet Day, I Am Free, Always Be My Baby,Daydream are all rnb.3) You showed no list. First you said the list wasreleased in 2000, then 1998 while posting her Unisonalbum sold 2m (first list) and then changed to1.5m. You still think you showed a list ? Sorry. Give methe link. How come you found a list and I can’t see iton the internet ? Oooops Then you post to Tane thatyou saw this list on 2001 ! Decide you slut, it is1998 ? 2000 ? 2001 ? or shut the fu** up, lying creep.4) Someday is jackswing. Next. You can’t answer whatmakes Mariah’s songs rock and Celine’s not rock and thisis why you mock Celine. How pathetic you are.5) I talked about my ass, because you are good enough tosuck it. Let’s not repeat all this. Just accept whereyou belong. The rest things you said hardly make sense.#IGNORED6) ”Emotions sold 10m by 1998 – Then 14m by 2011. EndOf Story !” You think you somehow debate like that ?You think I won’t insist ?”Explain Celine’s Ceine Dion 2 million- 1998 – Then 6million -2011 if you dare !”Show me the list, if you dare and I swear to my life, Iwill explain everything you want.7) Post 253 is ignored because answers are already givenon this Dvd.8) I say Unison sold 3m copies and Celine Dion 5mcopies. Try again. Your post 254 shows now yourinability to read. MTV Unplugged sold 7m copiesas all her sites and limited certifications show.9) Post 255 proves you have no logic. I never boastedabout Celine’s certifications as A WHOLE, cause I knowCeline is popular in many micro markets where acertification would mean 10k of sales. Next dear ->You are boring.10) Post 256 is a huge lie. Tane knows the site andposted it twice in the past just to prove you wrong forthe bullcrap you talked about on Mariah’s Japanesesales. #FAIL Second, why would anyone believe and trustyou when you say ”I read an article on this site” !Aren’t you the same person that used to lie she trustsinfo from magazines and then got cornered by me as nomagazines give Mariah the title of best seller ? hmm…oh yeah you are ! So you are not in position to demandtrust from anyone here. Move your ass to post yourfu**ing lists. How come you can’t post something youread on the internet ?11) Post 267 : Sony Bmg announcements don’t contradictwith the ones by Island Def Jam. #FAIL Manipulativeslut ! You also contradict with all Sony BmgAnnouncements till 2001, so why do you bother attackingme ? Lmao ! #FAIL Moreover, even if we forget aboutlabels it also Mariah’s management team, her own words,biographies and official sites that confirm she sold like200m records + ! #BIG FAIL12) An album featuring 10 songs, 5 of them pop and restfrom other genres would be considered pure pop by anidiot. #Ooops. I can accept being MAINLY pop, but PUREpop ? Bitch, have a fu**ing seat.13) So Daydream is a rock album as well ? #DEAD14) ”I challenge you to show how Unison,Celine Dion and The Colour Of My Love could ever surpass respectively 3,4 and 12 million sales.Since any of them didn’t recharted since their release at the 1990?s.”I challenge you to show me a site where this list isfeatured and I will reply next. :-) I can’t reply tothings when I think they are part of your imagination.15) ”Celine’s 90?s albums received their certifications to 2004 because they started to sell only by 2003. That doesn’t mean they reached huge amount of sales. FAIL”Who told you her albums started selling in 2003 youretard ? Next —> Before writing the word FAIL makesure you have articulated your arguments properly,retarded weirdo.16) All Celine songs I mentioned are rock influenced.#FAIL Still, it would be nice having some brain to seeI don’t try to credit Celine for some assets. LOL17) I don’t know what’s your problem. Saying Mariah’sless popular 90s album sold effortlessly 4m in thepast decade, would mean her best sellers sold like 10mcopies. You don’t make me angry for repeating this. Youmake yourself look like a fool, and yes I know nobodyknows you here in person, nobody knows your face andstats, but it is clear I am talking to a stupid personthat posts crap, only to react to what I say. It is adumb tactic that leads nowhere. Change it. When we talkabout Mariah we talk about Mariah.18) The repeated insults are ignored.Funny how you think you are able to ask questions whenyou still can’t explain how Mariah sells 200m albums,when your estimations show 160m per market. Funny howthere is a HUGE contradiction of 40m copies IN YOUROWN WORDS ! What are you saying bitch ? That Celinesold only 200m records ? Ok ! Who cares if she sold200m like you say, or 220m+ like Billboard says or230m+ like I say. Who cares ? The big problem here isYOU claiming 300m for Mariah, contradicting with allsources and acting like a dumb lazy ass thinking yousomehow can corner me. Get a brain for a change. MOFF says: July 2, 2011 at 5:58 amsorry, I hadn’t been here for a while. But what I have just seen in this debate is: Oh my god!TRISH ? You are out of control!Actually talking about dicks and asses won’t help you to get healthy again, you are a destroyed person who needs psychological help – urgent! TRISH IS A FRAUD says: July 2, 2011 at 7:30 amPOST 215”Everyone listen to me.There is Celine’s 1990?s albums worldwide sales till May 2000. Unison 2 million – Celine Dion 4 million -The Colour Of My Love 12 million -D’eux The French Album 7 million -These Are Special Times 8 million -Falling Into you 27 million -Let’s Talk About Love 27 million -All The Way A Decade Of Songs 16 million”POST 221”Unison 4 million About Celine’s albums – Celine Dion 6 million – The Colour Of My Love 15 – 17 million – Falling into you 32 million – Let’s talk about Love 31 million – These are Special Times 12 million – All The Way,A Decade Of Songs – 16 million All these datas were giving by Sony Music 2000,dear a-hole.”POST 223”Celine Dion album couldn’t surpass 3 million sales nowadays,since its 1998 sales were at 2 million worldwide.Inform yourself a-hole.”POST 236 :”UNISON 1,5 MILLION IN 1998 = 2,5 MILLION IN 2011”POST 253 : ”Just consult the All The Way DVD Video.You will see very clearly Sony give every Celine’s Albums sales till May 2000.I Own this DVD video since July 2001 ”——-> RESULT :First comment we have a list released in 2000. The salesfacts of this list are changed on the very next post.Then we have info for 1998, instead of 2000. ThenUnison’s sales change from 2m to 1.5m. Then we forgetabout 2000 or 1998 and we see a list of Celine’s Dvdthat was actually released on February 2001. And thisbig fraud still insists she PROVED A LIST ! LMAO Retard.Don’t ever come back. You made a fool of yourselfalready. TRISH IS A FRAUD says: July 2, 2011 at 9:06 amSo Celine can’t sell 1m of her Unison album in 12 yearsbut Mariah CAN sell 6m of Emotions in that era. LMAOAnd that bleep tries to say I am biased… -.-‘ TRISH IS A FRAUD says: July 2, 2011 at 11:18 amI can play the same game as Trish.– She says Emotions sold 14-15m and D’Eux 9m.Let’s see her credibility.Emotions : 4xP Us, 1xP Europe, 4xP Canada, 1xPAustralia and Million Japan = 6.5m+ by its certificationsin the world’s MOST POPULAR AND KNOWN MARKETS.D’Eux : 8xP Europe = 8m coming from one market.Still according to TRISH D’Eux is outsold by almost aDOUBLE amount of copies. According to Nielsen SoundscanD’Eux sold 300k in Us and we all know it is 7xP inCanada. So the 9m are established by only 3 musicmarkets. Where does Emotions sell the rest 9m ?In Latin America, Africa and the little Asian markets ?Xa xa xa xa xa ! What kind of FACTS prove this ? Samemarkets were Butterfly is supposed to sell over 10m ?#LMAO– Trish says The Colour Of My Love sold just likeEmotions, if not less. Let’s see her credibility again :The Colour Of My Love : 6xP Us, 4xP Europe,Diamond in Canada, Million in Japan.Already 12 MILLION COPIES without counting its hugesuccess in Oceania ! Emotions sells 6.5m in thesemarkets but somehow is in the same level as Celine’salbum on a worldwide level. Makes sense ? NO ! Onlya biased lying creep would post such dumb crap.THE SICK LIAR OF THIS DEBATE IS EXPOSED BY ALL MEANS !!! LUCKY LUKE IS A FRAUD says: July 2, 2011 at 2:02 pmSo Mariah can’t sell 1m of her Emotions album in 12 yearsbut Celine CAN sell 4m of Celine Dion album and Unison in that era. LMAOAnd that bleep tries to say I am biased… -.-’ The Reason says: July 2, 2011 at 8:02 pmThe word ”bleep” doesn’t exist in English or any otherlanguage. It was a typing mistake. LOL at your copypaste system. I told you to stop it long ago, but younever listened to me. And what do you get now ? Actinglike a fool by using vocabulary that doesn’t existe.Aaaaah, you’ll never learn.Second, I actually accept how Emotions logically sold9m worldwide by 2011, while it had sold 8m by 1998according to Mariah and her label. And the otheraccusation is invalid as long as I don’t see the list.You show the list and I reply to everything. Till thenall accusations against me are invalid. And please do mea favour to decide which year this list was announced,cause I can’t reply to 3 different lists, showing 3different sales facts. LOL This is a mess. Thanx. The Reason says: July 2, 2011 at 9:38 pmCorrection : I actually never said ”Unison” sold 2m by2000 and 3m by 2011. All I am saying is the second scaleof this. I never mentioned the sales of these two albumsby era ! I never mentioned how much they sold by 1998 or2000 ! So I don’t get the sarcasm at all. I am accused ofcontradicting to a list, not my own words. You areaccused of contradicting to your own words, when youclaim MC sold 200m albums and then show 160m per market.So this is a huge difference ! On top of this,you repeated many times that Emotions sold over 6m inthe 00a for a total of 14m+ copies. You repeat thatEmotions sold as much as TCOM while their respectivecertified sales in the world’s most popular marketsstand at 6.5m and 12m respectively. If you find logic inthis, I rest my case. But ok, I know you thinkMariah does everything better than Celine so all thismight seems very possible to you. But what aboutcomparing what you said about Emotions to what yousaid about other Mariah albums ? For instance, how comeThe Emancipation Of Mimi sells 12m copies according toyou and it is beaten down by Emotions that sold14m copies ? TEOM sold 6m in Us alone, while Emotionssold 6m in Us, Canada, Europe, Japan combined. I don’tget how still insist. Your arguments don’t make sensewhether I compare them to Celine’s or Mariah’s albums.If I am a liar for contradicting to a list you neverbrought, how should I call you for contradicting withyour own words and posts multiple times ? Bye Trish. popdirt says: July 3, 2011 at 1:23 am@The Reason – I bleeped a curse word The Reason says: July 3, 2011 at 4:47 am@ popdirtWell, the whole copy past system is still dumb, lol.Thanx for the correction !! TRISH says: July 4, 2011 at 9:11 amMoff,keep your words straight,devilish a-hole ! You see very well that’s Lucky Luke who’s the first that talk about ass, crap and dick.I just reply to his insults.Shut your mouth Moff.You can’t open your ugly mouth without defend your alter ego then blame me. TRISH says: July 4, 2011 at 9:16 amLucky Luke compare the Emotions sales with TCOML ? Just make this same logic about A New Day Has Come sales.Its European + US = Canadian sales = 7 million.So how could you say A New Day Has Come sold 11 million worldwide ? Not just Mariah’s sales are limited to what are giving by certifications sales,crafty liar ! TRISH says: July 4, 2011 at 9:17 amI mean European + US + Canadian sales = 7 million. For ANDHC TRISH says: July 4, 2011 at 9:43 amYou said Emotions sold 6 million in US,Canada,Europe and Japan combined.But same goes for Celine’s Eponymous album.Its US + Europe + Canada + Japan sales reach 3,5 million.So,how could we say it reach 6 million sales worldwide ? About The Colour Of My Love,you usually say 18 – 19 million for its worldwide sales while Certification reach only 12 million sales.You are a vampire lucky Luke.You already said that TCOML surpass Mariah Carey eponymous album while Mariah Carey’s US + Europe sales equals 11 million + Japan sales = 12 million.I even don’t talk about its Asian sales that surpass Celine’s TCOML by far ! Same goes for the All The way album that you try to claim 21 million while you claim 17 million for Mariah’s # 1’S. You are so creep ! In Facts,All the way sold 18 million while # 1 ‘s sold 21 million worldwide. TRISH says: July 4, 2011 at 9:48 amAbout the list I gave for Celine’s sales in 2000 year.Just check what say the All The Way DVD,since you said Celine’s 1990’s albums weren’t clear in 2000 year,just to spread your lies and claim her 1990’s albums surpass Mariah’s.Although every sources claim the opposite.You can run but you can’t hide.You could never prove Celine’s 1990’s albums surpass Mariah’s by even 1 million ! Mariah still ahead of Celine for her 1990’s albums ! No crap links and sources can’t change it ! TRISH says: July 4, 2011 at 10:30 amYou usually claim that your main problem with me is that I still demand 200 million albums for Mariah.But,did you ever have an agreement with Mandy ? Carla? Momo ? That claim Mariah surpass Celine by a few million of albums ? You even try to equals Celine’s Singles with Mariah’s while everyone knows Celine is a weak single seller while Mariah is a great single seller ! You are so crafty ! You always find a way to justify your lies then refute some real facts by crap links,lists and sources ! B. Mars says: July 4, 2011 at 1:06 pmI think these certifications will end the rumour of the 21 million sales of Number Ones by Mariah Carey:#1’SSouth Africa 100.000 (2x Platinum) Germany 250.000 (Gold) #10 Argentina 100.000 (Platinum) Australia 100.000 (Platinum) Austria 25.000 (Gold) #6 Brasil 1.250.000 (5x Platinum) #4 Bulgary 175.000 (5x Platinum) Canada 300.000 (3x Platinum) #6 Singapore 200.000 (10x Platinum) #1 (12 weeks) China 1.000.000 (shipped) 610.000 (sold) Korea 300.000 (3x Platinum) #1 (7 weeks) Denmark 58.000 (Platinum) #7 United States (BMG Music club) 1.000.000 United States (RIAA) 5.000.000 (5x Platinum) #4 (2 weeks) United States (SoundScan) 3.413.000 (until 01/08/2004) Spain 100.000 (Platinum) #7 Europe 2.000.000 (2x Platinum) Philipines 100.000 (2x Platinum) #1 (11 weeks) France 680.000 (2x Platinum) #2 (3 weeks) – compilation chart Greece 50.000 (Platinum) Holland 80.000 (Platinum) #13 Japan (Oricon) 2.810.000 #1 (2 weeks) Japan (Shipments + Imports) 3.600.000 Italy 300.000 (3x Platinum) Israel 20.000 (Gold) Malaysia 300.000 (6x Platinum) #1 (15 weeks) Norway 20.000 (Gold) #6 New Zealand 30.000 (2x Platinum) #8 United Kingdom (BPI) 300.000 (Platinum) #10 Czech Republic 10.000 (Gold) Sweden 80.000 (Platinum) #8 Switzerland 50.000 (Platinum) #3 Taiwan 400.000 (8x Platinum) #1 (12 weeks) Venezuela 15.000 (Gold) India #2 Belgium #6 Finland #9 Hungary #15How come #1s sold 21 million ? The Reason says: July 4, 2011 at 6:21 pm@ POST 269 :ANDDC : Us 3m + 600k Cnd + 3m Eur + 150k Jpn + 150k Aus= Almost 7m + number 1 spot at Africa, Argentina andMexico (but no big deal about them). So, this is why Igive 11m to A New Day Has Come, which is around 2m morecompared to Emotions. Still, this is NOTHINGcompared to what YOU post because YOUR sales differencestands at almost 6m : Emotions (6.5m in big markets) ,TCOML (12m in big markets) ! Yet you insist they areequal or that Celine’s album is beaten down. So fix thishuge gap OF 6 MILLION and then attack me for theseinsignificant mistakes of 2 MILLION sales.@ POST 271 :I stood corrected long ago and already said the CelineDion album sold 5m worldwide. 3.5m+ of them come fromthe markets you cited and the rest from the other word.You still attack me for putting 1.5m to a Celine album,while you post 200m albums for Mariah and your otherposts show sales of 160m. Why don’t you FIRST fix thathuge contradiction of 40 MILLION ALBUMS and THEN spendtime on difference of 1.5 MILLION ?POST 271 :”About The Colour Of My Love,you usually say 18 – 19 million for its worldwide sales while Certification reach only 12 million sales”You have to be joking now ! Butterfly sold 5m in Us, 1mEurope , 1m Japan and like 500k in Canada and Oceania :7.5m and you have been repeating it sold over 18mworldwide. So how come I am the vampire here ?I am accused of puting 6 MILLION to a Celine album whileyou put 10 MILLION to a Mariah one..! TEN MILLION !”I even don’t talk about its Asian sales that surpass Celine’s TCOML by far ! ” —>Nope. You lie here ! You don’t talk about these becausewe know you totally ignore her Asian sales. It is notyour choice. Moreover, why don’t you mention Canada andOceania as well ? Oh yeah ! Because Mariah’s debut issuprassed :TCOML : 1m Canada , 6m Us , 4m Eur , 1m Jap , 560kAustralia (8XP)MC : 700k Canada , 9m Us , 1m Eur , 1m Jap , 140kAustralia (2xP) = 12.5m VS 11.9m !So if you somehow insist I am a liar, prove me wrong bybringing their real Asian, African and L.American FACTSthat make Mariah’s album more successful. You said ”byfar” , so you must know something I don’t.NOW TAKE NOTE ON THAT : THIS IS YOUR WORST COMMENT :”All The way album that you try to claim 21 million while you claim 17 million for Mariah’s # 1?S. You are so creep ! In Facts, All the way sold 18 million while # 1 ‘s sold 21 million worldwide.”All The Way : 7m Us , 1m Canada , 5m Europe , 2m Japan ,210k Australia (3xP)Number 1s : 5m Us , 300k Canada , 2m Europe , 3m Japan ,70k Asutalia (1xP) = 15m+ VS 10.4mMaybe it’s time for you to reply how the sales fromall the rest insignificant little markets make Mariah’salbum not only cover the huge 5m difference but alsobeat down Celine for like 3m, as you claim. IN OTHERWORDS YOU SIMPLY TELL US THIS : that Number 1s sold over11m copies in rest Asia, Africa and L.America, whileCeline’s album sold 3m there. So O.O.C. !@ POST 272Finally you decided on which list you meant. Nice start.I know this DVD and I don’t have anything new to addto what I had already said many months ago when youmentioned this Dvd list again. So I repeat myself :Celine’s list showed the sales that were counted/knownby then. I don’t lie, as Celine recieved hercertifications up to 2004 for her 90s albums. Deal withit. I already showed you these dates that are allestablished facts. It not just the links you callbiased. She was even present at these 00s ceremonieswhere artists receive their certifications (not to allof them, but anyway) ! She was even awarded in 2002 or2003. In 2002 she received a Special Latin BillboardAward for a song released 4 years prior : My Heart WillGo On. In 2002/March 2003 she received 2 IFPI awardscelebrating the sales of Lets Talk about love (1997)(10m mark – certified then) and her total European salesas of 2003. Her total UK sales were announced for firsttime in 2002 ! The fact that you don’t believe all thecertification dates I have been posting doesn’tmake me a liar. Pretty clear. On top of that it wasknown in 2004 or 2005 (don’t remember exactly) thatCeline had reached the 5m mark with her Christmasalbum in Us. These are just some examples. And pleasedon’t tell me again that Mariah’s albums were certifiedin 00s cause I have already replied to these. Only MCalbums receiving their last certifications in 00s were :Number 1s that got 2xP in Europe in 2003 and her Xmasalbum being 5xP in Us in 2006, I think (was 4xP before).And her Rainbow album of course that is alwaysconsidered by me as an 00s album. No comment on the restthings you posted (Mariah beats Celine blah blah blah) ,they are ignored for obvious reasons : I am not a kid !xD@ POST 273This is the big problem here. Yeap. The rest peopledon’t insist on anything. They post something, I reply –IN A POLITE WAY – and they don’t answer back. Lmao. I amquite open to sales facts. Second, don’t call mecrafty and liar for their singles, as I alreadychallenged you like 5 times (if not more) to talk aboutit and you indirectly refuse it. It’s not my problemif you don’t wanna talk about single sales IN SPECIFIC.You avoid being specific and choose to be generic. Fineby me, just don’t attack my credibility like that, sinceit’s a topic you have been avoiding for weeks.And by the way you have some nerve to call me namesbecause of single sales when you are the one to postthat two Gold Us certifications can lead to a 7mmark for sales.”You always find a way to justify your lies then refute some real facts by crap links,lists and sources !”—> You have selective amnesia. Remember again please !In terms of LISTS, you are the one that puts all hertrust on Celine’s Dvd list and a Wikipedia list showingthe best sellers. I never brought any lists like thatbut I am accused of bringing list. -.-‘This is pure lunacy.Second, you could show some maturity and explain whyeach of my links is ”crap”. It is obvious you think Itry to support Celine by lists, because you NEVER openeda link to see that my links are not about estimationsand lists. It is boring attacking me for biased links,since I first brought links here AFTER you told me youtrusted magazines. And what do magazines show ? Oh yeah.That was another fake argument that got dumped. Enjoysummer and get over that debate ! I don’t know if I’mgonna reply the following days. I’ll be on themountains, Lmao. xD Bye bye <3 The Reason says: July 4, 2011 at 9:27 pm@ B.MarsWOW ! Where did you find these ? Seem veryexact. I didn’t know she sold that much in China withthat album. Of course it doesn’t sell 21m in total. Itssales from the world’s biggest markets stand at 11m(counting the 3.6m from Japan) ! I usually stick tothe certifications – to be 100% fair – but you broughtactual detailed sales here. Very Cool ! Please tell yourreferences. I want to know anything on MC. Thanx. :-) Tane says: July 6, 2011 at 5:48 pm@ B.MARS totally believable! TRISH says: July 6, 2011 at 6:56 pmWaw ! Mars you just give the detailed data of Memoir Of An Imperfect Angel sales instead of Mariah’s # 1 album. @Lucky Luke it’s normal that you find any biased list that decrease Mariah’s sales correct.You continue to prove how much you are an objective Mariah fan ! TRISH says: July 6, 2011 at 7:00 pmThis is surely not you that could judge about the validity of an Mariah’s sales list.Even if the debater would put 10 unit in each country market,you’ll be more than satisfied TRISH says: July 6, 2011 at 7:04 pmB.Mars,Mariah # 1 ‘S album sold 21 million units worldwide.Don’t waste your time on making a biased detailed list.You fail ! TRISH says: July 6, 2011 at 8:09 pmB Mars even put 3 million sales for its US sales,when everyone knows RIAA certified this album 5 times platinum for sales over 5 million in US.So,how could someone swallow your sh**s ? There is only Lucky Luke and other Mariah’s haters that will agree with you my dear.Number 1s : 5m Us , 300k Canada , 2m Europe , 3m Japan ,4 million the less in the rest of Asia # 1’S album sold over 21 million worldwide ! Take it honey. MANDY says: July 6, 2011 at 10:29 pm1. Music Box 32m/Falling Into You 32m Daydream 25m/Let’s Talk About Love 31m #1’s 19m/All The Way 20m Mariah Carey 18m/ The Colour Of My Love 18m Merry Christmas 17m/ These Are Special Times 14m Butterfly 16 m/ A New Day Has come 11m The Emancipation Of Mimi 12m/ D’eux 9m Rainbow 12m / Celine Dion 5 m Emotions 10m /One Heart 5m MTV Unplugged EP 8m /Taking Chances 3,5m Greatest Hits 5m/S’il Suffisait D’aimer 3m Charmbracelet 4,7m/ Miracle 2,5m Glitter 4m/ /Dion Chante Plamondon 2m E=MC 2,8m/ Unison 3,5m Memoirs Of An Imperfect Angel 2m/ The Collector Serie 2 m The Remixes 1m/ D’elles 2m The Ballads 0,8m / On Ne Change Pas 1,7m Merry Christmas II You 1 m/ Celine A L’Olympia 1 m Playlist 0,4m/Au Coeur Du Stade 1m + My Love 1m +A New Day Live 1m + 1980’s Quebecker albums 1,5m +low selling compilations 2m ALBUM SALES = They are (almost) equalMariah Carey worldwide multi million and million seller singles : – All I Want For Christmas Is You – Without You – We Belong Together – One Sweet Day – Hero – Fantasy – When You Believe – Honey – My All – Dreamlover – I Still believe – Obsessed – Touch My Body – Heartbreaker – Thank God I Found You – Loverboy – Vision Of Love – Emotions – Love Takes Time – I’ll Be There – Endless Love – Anytime You Need A Friend – Make It Happen – Someday – Can’t Let Go – Don’t Forget About UsCeline Dion worldwide multi-million and million seller singles. – My Heart Will Go On – Because You Loved Me – The Power Of Love – That’s The Way It Is – I Am Your Angel – To Love You More – It’s All Coming Back To Me Now – All By Myself – Beauty And The Beast – Pour Que Tu M’aimes Encore – D’amour Ou D’amitie – Sous Le Vent So,Mariah surpass Celine by a great difference on singles sales.No matter how many each of those singles sold.We see that Mariah has much more million and multi-million seller singles than Celine.( She also much more singles that sold by 500.000 units than Celine ). SINGLE SALES=Mariah winsDVD SALES = Celine wins Mariah 3 million- Celine 5,5 million SINGING CAPABILITY = Mariah wins Mariah already make her proofs on singing every musical genres unlike Celine. VOICE = Mariah wins Mariah vocal range : 5 octaves -Celine vocal range ; 2,5 octaves ENTERTAINMENT = Celine wins POPULARITY = Mariah wins Mariah is popular in more countries/continents than Celine. Mariah Carey beat Celine in USA,Japan,Korea,China,Taiwan,Hong Kong,Philipines,Brazil, Thailand,Saoudia Arabia,Costa Rica,Jamaica, West Indies ,Australia,New Zealand,Fidji ,Israel ,Brunei Celine beat Mariah in Canada,France,UK,Germany,Italia,Spain,Monaco,Belgium,Luxembourg,South Africa. INFLUENCE = Mariah wins Mariah influences Kelly Clarkson,Beyonce,Nelly Furtado,Jessica Simpson,Alicia Keys,Kat Deluna,Justin Timberlake,Destiny’s Child,Mary J Blige,Backstreet Boys,Trey Lorenz,Pixie Lott,Ciara,Rihanna,Nivea Hamilton,Christina Aguilera,AnastaciaLucie Silvas,… Celine influences Charice,Lara Fabian,Garou,etc… TOURS AND CONCERT TICKET SALES = Celine wins TALENT ( songwriting,composing and producing skills)= Mariah wins CONTRIBUTION & PART IN THE EVOLUTION OF MUSIC= Mariah wins Mariah is credited as the artist introducing elements of Hip Hop and R&B in Pop culture.Mariah is also credited as the pioneer of Remixes .She’s equally the one that had haul R&B genre on top in USA and popularized this Hip Hop/R&B worldwide. FORTUNE =Draw For all the 1990 and 2000 decades combined ,both divas are equal .Mariah was richer for all the 1990’s period, like Celine was richer for all the 2000’s period ( most of Celine major sources of income are situated in the 2000 decade,at the other hand most of Mariah’s come from the 1990’s.Celine had major contracts in the 2000’s with American and Canadian brands,Mariah had major contracts in the 1990’s with Japanese and American brands ). Conclusion : Celine wins in DVD sales,tours & concert ticket sales… Mariah Carey wins in :Album sales, Single sales,voice,talent,popularity,influential power,musical and artistic contribution. Mariah and Celine are equal in fortune. Overall,Mariah is better because she wins in most things. The Reason says: July 7, 2011 at 6:39 am@ POST 278I am impressed this list is so detailed. This is what Isaid. I asked references so I can check it myself. Am Ibiased for this ? No. Thanks. Move on.#DEAD at your comment about Memoirs. This proves youcome here to provoke and be sarcastic or repeat yourselfwhen you get cornered. :)@ POST 279Nope, it is you that put over 10m in Mariah’s Butterflywhile the certifications of its big markets stand at7.5m. I never did so.@ POST 280Number 1s sold 11m and it is out of control thinkingthis album sold over 10m copies in Africa, L.America andrest of Asia. How could these little markets ever seemequal to sales with the COMBINATION of Us + Europe +Canada + Japan + Oceania..!@ POST 281LMAO ! He put 5m for its sales. It is so detailed. Andthe 5m certification is not for sales but for SHIPMENTS.All artists are awarded for SHIPMENTS not actual sales,so stop attacking his list and read more carefully whathe says on Us. He mentions data from the BMG music club(1m). And lmao I am not a Mariah hater at all. You arestuck in this theory because I don’t admit Mariah is thebest seller. Use your mind before you post.@ MANDYButterfly 16m and A New Day Has Come 11m. Based on theircertifications Butterfly gets 7.5m (Us, Canada, Europe,Japan, Oceania) and A New Day Has Come 7m…I don’tthink you are right and I don’t think you did yourresearch at all. Oh and by the way Celine’s vocal range.is Bb2-E6 , 3.5 octaves. LOL She sings the 3rd,4th, 5th octave + 2 notes from the 2nd and 3 notesfrom the 6th = 3 octaves and 5 notes. Mariah sings 3lower notes and gets the whole whistle register aboveCeline.You posted a similar reply long ago so POST 15 remainsyour reply. MOFF says: July 7, 2011 at 6:54 amBruno Mars’ list is right!According to you:#s: 5m US, 2m Europe, 300k Canada, 3m Japan and 4 THE LESS in Asia:= 14.3 million.21 million ? From where? YOU FAIL Tell me the exact sales of each nation. MANDY says: July 7, 2011 at 3:53 pmLucky Luke,I didn’t expect that you could think that I am right,since I show Mariah sold more records than Celine.Anyway,you would agree with me only if I claimed Celine outsold Mariah. Well,about Celine’s vocal range Yes,Mariah got her lower notes and gets the whole whistle register aboveCeline.That’s why she has 3 octaves of vocal range over Celine.Mariah is also hyper flexible in her regular notes and belts.So,she has many vocal assets over Celine. Celine’s voice does not reach 3 octaves, otherwise she would might start to sing a note whistle as can Christina Aguilera.Christina owns 3.5 octaves but people credits her for 4 octaves because she is able to produce a beginning of whistle.Christina is also able to get much lower than Celine.Celine does not really have low notes,and her high scores are far from the whistle notes.Mariah has a lot more than the whistle notes over Celine.Celine’s voice is not flexible enough to even approach the whistle note.THE whistle notes of Mariah start from 3 octaves to 5.2 octaves.( Listen on Emotions in the part ” You make me feel so higher ! )Mariah reaches 6 different levels of whistle register notes.Celine couldn’t reach even the first level of high notes.Whitney could sing the first level of these high notes.Only Christina could reaches the second level.This is not for nothing that Mariah is credited as the only living creature that already out sang the piano.Celine voice is very far from ‘be comparable to the notes of piano.So,Celine’s voice is far to be worth to compare as Mariah’s . Lol ! Let’s be realistic ! MANDY says: July 7, 2011 at 3:56 pmCeline’s vocal range doesn’t surpass 2,5 octaves.Whitney and Aretha’s respective voice reach 3 octaves.Christina reaches 3,5 octaves. The Reason says: July 7, 2011 at 7:56 pm@ MANDYDo you know me ? Do you know if I like Mariah or not ?Do you know what her music means to me ? Don’t judge mebecause I say Mariah doesn’t surpass Celine in sales.I don’t care about what you think or expect from me. Toobad I also expect to debate with SMART people thatcan post REAL arguments ! Instead of replying to me whydon’t you correct your OBVIOUS MISTAKES ? Why don’tyou accept a LOGIC THOUGHT ? I am sorry but I can’taccept Mariah’s superiority being based on falsified,inflated sales such as Butterfly selling over 16mcopies. Where did you get your facts dear Mandy (nicenickname) ? Oh yeah ! Nowhere, YOU INVENTED THEM ! Andthen you indirectly attack me for not swallowing yourso called facts. How do you expect any logic humanbeing with brains in the head believe that Mariah –being more talented, more flexible, more popular, bettervocalist, more beautiful, more creative, better songs,better performer, better musician – has got to face LACKof public INTEREST and therefore CANCEL some concerts orsing at half EMPTY arenas ? How come Mariah can’tsellout shows in her NATIVE Us ? Oh yeah, maybe becauseshe is not as popular or great as you imagine or wanther to be. You all boast about her single sales. Shehad like 7 hit singles this decade WORLDWIDE. Good.How many singles did she release ? hmm… yeah, 34 !Just saying..! It is another perception.Now see how you shouldn’t talk at all. —>”Mariah got her lower notes and gets the whole whistle register above Celine.That’s why she has 3 octaves of vocal range over Celine”Check a music theory book immediately ! The whistleregister is in the 7th octave and Celine stops at the6th (C6/E6), which is quite behind the whistle register.1 octave difference + some low notes is the differencebetween Celine and Mariah. Christina doesn’t get lowerthan Celine, she gets higher as she actually reaches thewhistle register (First notes). The lowest noteChristina ever sang is a C3.”Celine does not really have low notes”LMAO ! Oh yeah ! She has hit Bb2 and B2 in the songs NewDawn and Have you ever been in love so you might wannatry again on this. Fact is Celine gets better inthe 3rd octave than the 2nd. Much better actually butthat’s not our point.”her high scores are far from the whistle notes”Who credited Celine of being close to whistle notes ? -.-Oh yeah, nobody. Next.”Celine’s voice is not flexible enough to even approach the whistle note”Flexibility has NOTHING to do with the use of thewhistle register ! Your ”argument” is dumped.Flexibility is actually the ability of jumping throughregisters or music genres. Mariah isn’t flexiblebecause she uses the whistle register, she is flexiblebecause she proved herself in many genres and can jumpfrom chest belting to whistle notes. (just anexample) ! I could see someone attacking Celine for onlydoing pop, but attacking her lack of flexibility becauseshe doesn’t use whistle notes ? Nope, this is invalid.”Whitney could sing the first level of these high notes”Nope, she couldn’t. Her vocal range drops dead at C#6.Whitney never did anything close to whistle. You mightsay Whitney is also not flexible, so you will only makeme laugh.”Mariah reaches 6 different levels of whistle register notes”Big lie ! The lowest Mariah did in whistle is an F5 notewhich is a FIFTH octave note. The rest things you postedabout the piano make no sense. There is no other way todefine the notes than using a piano. Lmao so how comeCeline can’t be ”comparable” to the piano ? Celine’svocal range is 3.4. Bb2-E6 (exclamation) The next timeyou insist on this, post the exact notes that make herrange 2.5 octaves, since you want to be REALISTIC.For your info Whitney’s range is 3.3 octaves (A2-C#6)and Aretha’s is 3.6 octaves (F2-E6) ! Both are far awayfrom using the whistle register. And don’t fool yourselfthat Mariah’s technique and vocal condition are thatgreat today. Just saying… tane says: July 7, 2011 at 10:43 pmyoutu.be/RnrQNIt5ao4ok watch this video! it says that Emancipation of Mimi sold 40 million copies worldwide!its a documentary on here on the bio channel WATCH! tane says: July 7, 2011 at 11:39 pmthis is something I found quite amusing:) youtu.be/BFGmD3Z4hM8 MANDY says: July 8, 2011 at 6:12 amNeither you don’t know me Lucky Luke.You can not say that my arguments come from nowhere.You said that you want to discuss with smart people.But you measure the smartness of people if they agree with you.You said that I should correct my Obvious mistakes.But I think you’re the first to have to correct your own mistakes.You’ve been here over one year,accusing Trish for all that is negative, while you do not able to digest anything that disadvantages Celine, even if it is a obvious fact. Yes, Mariah sells more records than Celine.Her singles alone, give her a very great advantage over Celine in sales.About the sales Butterfly, yes they reach 16 million worldwide.Butterfly sells good and is very popular in Asia and its sales approaching the million sales in countries such chine.etc … I also can not accept your arguments based on the sources and links cause they are not trustable and which are not proved in the reality.You say that I invent my arguments? People invent the links, people invent sources.Where IFPI come from with the huge sales its claim for Celine in Europe when it even doesn’t count them ? This is obvious that IFPI invent these sales.People even bias data on vocal ability, so they use their languages ??techniques to dissuade amateur people in their ears that allow them to listen. The ears are the best instruments able to judge the voice of artists.When we appreciate the vocal prowess and vocal capabilities of an artist through a song,we don’t have the need to use books of technical vocal knowledge.Our natural senses allow us to judge very well. Celine doesn’t have 3 octave of vocal range.Whitney and Christina outsing Celine higher and lower.Whatever you say,that stay a fact that you,me,links,sources,technical books can change. MANDY says: July 8, 2011 at 6:24 amYou are wrong,Celine doesn’t reaches a particular low notes in New Dawn and Have You Ever Been In Love.If you call them Bb2 and B2 you just show your knowledge on vocal terminologies,but you don’t prove Celine reaches 3,4 octaves.Christina usually makes better than that.You are the first to have the need to prove which note make Celine reaches 3,4 octaves. @ Tane,that just prove link are not to be trusted. MOFF says: July 8, 2011 at 6:44 amMandy, you too can’t say Luky Luke should correct his obvious mistakes because everything he said is based on proves – links of the Internet.Butterfly has sold 16 million? 1. most sales come from US and Asia 5 million US and million in Japan alone – but 16 million ? sorry …Since you have come here I haven’t seen any link by mediatraffic, RIAA, IFPI or something like that and you say Luky Luke makes mistakes? Sorry ! LMFAO! The Reason says: July 8, 2011 at 7:13 am@ MANDY”Neither you don’t know me Lucky Luke.You can not say that my arguments come from nowhere.”Saying you arguments come from nowhere is not an insult. It is a fact. This is your third response and you still don’t show me your sources. Therefore I am free to believe you don’t have any sources.”you measure the smartness of people if they agree with you”This is wrong. I measure the smartness of people on their ARGUMENTS, not on what they claim. For instance, you said Celine isn’t flexible. I don’t think this is dumb. But you used a dumb argument to support it : that she isn’t flexible because she doesn’t use the whistle register. This is invalid so…” think you’re the first to have to correct your own mistakes”Would you mind being more specific and pointing out these mistakes ?”You’ve been here over one year,accusing Trish for all that is negative, while you do not able to digest anything that disadvantages Celine.”First I have pointing out Celine’s disadvantages and I could on and on mentioning them anytime you want. The problem is that I have to defend her against comments : clown, ugly, 2.5 octaves range, sings like Britney, awards irrelevant, etc etc ! So I never had the chance to really SPEAK or DISCUSS about Celine ! Second, I am accusing Trish for all the RIGHT reasons. Shall I mention them again ? Ok, one last time :1)200m albums for MC, while sales per country show 160m. I see you are really protective of Trish. What would you say I had posted something like that ?2)Mariah has number 1s in Jamaica, Fidgi, Heiti.3)Music Critics have panned Celine’s nasality.4)Mariah’s Number 1s sold 21m worldwide and Butterfly 18m and Emotions 14m, while their certifications stand at 11m , 7.5m , 6.5m at the world’s biggest/more popular markets. Have you seen me putting 10m on Celine’s albums ? NO !5)Singles from Emotions sold 7m copies with 2 Us certifications. Could I ever equal 2 Us gold certifications to SEVEN MILLION COPIES ? NO.6)Celine sold over 145m by 2003 and then Celine hadn’t reach 130m by 2003.And the list goes on and on.”Her singles alone, give her a very great advantage over Celine in sales”Nope. This is what you think. I have been asking everyone to talk about it and you all avoid being specific. You all come here to post biased, generic comments how Mariah beats Celine by far in single sales. Well, she doesn’t. You probably inflate her numbers like you do with her albums. Moreover, top 10 hits or number 1 hits, don’t always mean many sales. She has like 13 #1s in Japan, but only sold 2.5m there (proved by Tane, her official sites, Sony Bmg Japan) because most of them are airplay singles.”About the sales Butterfly, yes they reach 16 million worldwide”Big lie ! How come it sells 7.5m in Us, Europe, Oceania , Japan, Canada and then over 8.5m in Africa, L.America and Asia ? Where did you get it ? Nowhere..! There is no chance these little insignificant markets where people don’t even speak English could ever equal to the world’s most popular markets.”I also can not accept your arguments based on the sources and links cause they are not trustable and which are not proved in the reality. You say that I invent my arguments? People invent the links, people invent sources. Where IFPI come from with the huge sales its claim for Celine in Europe when it even doesn’t count them ?”You are highly misled. My arguments are not based on links, but facts. Links are just a bonus because I was asked to bring them, since your friend said she trusted magazines. People don’t invent sources. Lmao. They create them. How could anyone say Billboard is invented ? What does invented mean ? It is an actual and official source and it aims at collecting sales data. Your sources are UNKNOWN, therefore they are only part of your imagination until you show them. And sorry, but IFPI is the organization that counts album sales in Europe as a whole. There are way more LOCAL certifications systems for each European market.(Uk, France, Germany) So you can get Celine’s sales by either following IFPI or her sales per market and then adding them. Same results.”Whatever you say,that stay a fact that you,me,links,sources,technical books can change.”Lmao ! so your ears know better than music theory ? This is dumb. What is that crap you posted ? I ignore you whole paragraph cause it doesn’t make sense and these are the exact words Trish had used against looloo. Oooooops !Christina can outsing my ass, not Celine Dion. Whitney outsings Celine, as she used to be a better singer. One note difference in vocal range doesn’t mean Celine can outsing Whitney. Lmao. And Christina has never gone any lower than Celine, just higher. Whitney has sang in A2 (I Think her last album) and the higher she got was a C#6. Christina’s lower register is flat and everything she does is pure scream, hitting notes with high larynx.”You are wrong,Celine doesn’t reaches a particular low notes in New Dawn and Have You Ever Been In Love.If you call them Bb2 and B2 you just show your knowledge on vocal terminologies,but you don’t prove Celine reaches 3,4 octaves”How convenient, yet childish to attack my knowledge like that ? I am sure you thought you were smart to post that crappy argument. Nope. They are B2 and Bb2. Try again. Why don’t you post which notes are the range of Celine since you insist talking about it ? Prove us you know anything on vocal issues. I have already posted it long ago and showed you the notes, but you deny reality, by posting lies. Bb2 is her lower, E6 is her highest. (Head Voice/ Falsetto actually.)Since you know about range and notes…In what key does Celine sing in here ? It must easy for you. You PRETEND to know very well she didn’t sing Bb2 and B2 in the songs I cited, so you might answer this easily.youtube.com/watch?v=rQIp6TOngM0What notes does she use here ? What notes make her range ? What are her TECHNICAL flaws ?See I expect these answers from the person that said MC uses her whistling in 6 different levels, starting from the 3rd octave and then implied people are not flexible unless they use the whistle register. -.-I am patient, right ? :)*waiting* The Reason says: July 8, 2011 at 9:41 am@ MOFFThis is what TRISH said :”Nobody give a sh*t about your “technique terminology” People doesn’t need to read a stupidities about your “vocal technique” or your technique terminology and interpret them in favor of their favorite artist.Everyone got ears ! The most objective sense which can make very good and fair judgements !She said it here on POST 166 :popdirt.com/continuing-celine-dion-versus-mariah-carey/80710/This is what MANDY said :”techniques to dissuade amateur people in their ears that allow them to listen. The ears are the best instruments able to judge the voice of artists.When we appreciate the vocal prowess and vocal capabilities of an artist through a song,we don’t have the need to use books of technical vocal knowledge.Our natural senses allow us to judge very well”POST 290Does this ring you any bells MOFF ? LMAOI just can’t stop laughing !!! The Reason says: July 8, 2011 at 10:30 am@ taneI love these videos xD Watch this :youtube.com/watch?v=dY2wwZ0TGgY&feature=relatedMariah’s singing G5 in AYNAF notes is so mind-blowing !So much ease and vocal resonance. Check it out. Funnyvideo. LOL MOFF says: July 8, 2011 at 1:20 pmHahaha, yes Luky Luke.MANDY = TRISH = BUTTERFLY = Mariah4everand probably she was MEREDITH as well!Yes it rang my bells :)TRISH! Get out of here! TRISH says: July 8, 2011 at 2:10 pmMOFF = LUcky Luke = What The What= probably Alexis You said that I am MANDY.Do you think I could ever say the camel named Celine equals Mariah on albums sales ? Hahahaha ! This is so laughable.Yes, I am Mandy if yoy think so.The only difference between her and me is that I think the clown named Celine couldn’t never equals Mariah on albums sales. About Singles,Mariah outsold Celine by 70 million singles the less TRISH says: July 8, 2011 at 2:20 pmCeline sold 19 -23 million singles worldwide,since 1981 to 2011. Mariah Carey sold over 100 million of singles since her debut in 1990 to 2011. About vocal capability,Celine is worth to be compare with Cher and Lady Gaga.Britney’s voice is better than Celine’s.Britney never sound nasal,moreover she has a good control of deep and low notes unlike the clown.How dare you compare Christina to this thing called Camel Oldion ? Christina is an artist unlike Celine.Christina is a vocalist,not a rooster.Celine doesn’t come to my ass about vocal range.Just the fact she has a huge nose and a very long chin doesn’t make her a vocalist.Celine is just a puppet That Mottola and Sony Music team drive since over 20 years.Celine is nothing at all,except an ugly and graceless clown.She doesn’t have a normal life like other women.Just several fake certification sales and Awards.Christina proves that she’s a singer,not a robot.Don’t dare blame Christina’s voice beside this robot called Ugline Oldion. The Reason says: July 8, 2011 at 2:32 pm@ MOFF She was definitely Meredith and Momo. Lmao ! Shehas a limited vocabulary and makes same mistakes on sametopics, using the same dumped arguments.@ TRISH You are not in position to talk about singlesafter your big parody on Mariah’s singlesfrom ”Emotions”. You’d rather laugh about these poststhat embarrass you. Even if I post the Celine sellsher albums in the outer space, I will look less dumband surreal than you. Stay pressed behind your multiplenicknames, while AVOIDING talking in SPECIFIC aboutMariah’s singles. As of Celine’s album sales…wellthey are not as big as Mariah’s of we consider what youpost about her total sales : 200m. But they are equalto Mariah’s if we consider what you said about Mariah’ssales per market : 160m. #OUCH :-D@ EveryoneI challenge all of you here to post your e-mails(I can make the start if you want) so we take thisdebate on MSN. Who has the guts for a live challenge ?I have the guts to prove to everyone that I am not MOFF.Can Mandy and Trish do the same ?PS : The clown grossed $24m from doing 34 sold out shows.100.000 people attended. :) It’s not by chance she ownsthe BIGGEST contract for the BIGGEST live entertainmentdeal and the BIGGEST contract with the BIGGEST label.Did I mention her contract is also STABLE since 1992 ?Ooooops. :) Luke says: July 8, 2011 at 2:41 pm@ POST 298Your lunacy is ranging on, lmao. You can’t even discuss.Celine is a much better singer that Porktina Offkeylera.Celine strains notes above E5, Xtincta strains simpleA4s. LMAO The rest crap are ignored. You have a mentalproblem. I feel sorry for you. Luke says: July 8, 2011 at 2:44 pmPOST 300”Mariah is an actress”XA XA AX XA XA XA XA XA XAMariah shares nothing with Beatles and Elvis, only UShits. Celine already suprassed all them in tours anddvds sales.Nobody said Mariah is not artist. Of course she is !Lmao…Dear, you are fighting alone !Bye ! Ciao ! TRISH says: July 8, 2011 at 2:56 pmMOFF, BE A MAN FOR YOURSELF STOP HIDING YOU ON LUCKY LUKE’S SHADOW,COWARD ! PIG ! About Celine VS Mariah,there is nothing that Mariah doesn’t beat Celine at 100 % except for the clown and facial expressions.But Mariah is also an actress,not a clown. In facts,Celine sold most albums and singles than Subo.This is a huge accomplishment for someone,who spent 30 years without never have a song that have a personal meaning,30 years without influence even one artist either wanna be artist or international one.30 Years without never take part on the composing,producing of any song.What kind of artist she is? Taylor Swift already improve herself as composer and songwriter.Celine is a machine create by Mottola to bring back money,she’s everything,except an artist. As the best selling female artist of all times,Mariah Carey is also an accomplished artist in all means.Mimi is also a sexy and a gorgeous diva.The Voice shares with Beatles,Elvis Presley ,John Lennon,Paul McCartney and Michael Jackson so many records.She’s really what is called an artist.Celine? Hahaha ! Her best lies in Las Vegas show where she clown and amuse people very well ! Her pathetic fanatics doesn’t understand that Musical achievements go over the entertainment on stage.If Celine was so successful as her sick fanatics try to claim she would have some million seller singles at the last decade ( 2000’s) In facts, she has zero million seller singles for a whole decade ! Great ! She would receive Grammy awards ! Zero Grammy for the whole 2000 decade ,Zero number 1 hits on Billboard Chart and other major Chart.She shines only on the AC Charts that is a Chart failed singles that are unable to climb the Hot 100 Singles Chart.All that her pathetic clowns find to defend her is her circus shows that are really successful.Celine is what is called a puppet,a clown,not more. Ciao everyone ! I love you all ! Kisses !!!!!!Leave a Reply TRISH says: July 8, 2011 at 3:14 pmLucky Luke said” The clown grossed $24m from doing 34 sold out shows.100.000 people attended. ” Then ? So what ? It’s normal that she bring back money,that’s why Sony and Mottola had created her.She is a robot ,a clown created to bring money back to Sony and Mottola.She’s not an artist that have any artistic achievements. Clowning in front of 100.000 people on stage is not a musical achievements.What is matter about the musical aspect is what she does while these concerts after her facial clown and comedic moves.100 years later,people will continue to talk about Mariah’s 18 # 1 on Billboard,Her incomparable influence on other artists all over the world,her songs that she create herself that people will continue to inspired to.The future artists that will be continue to influenced by her singing style and her incredible voice.But, no one will talk About Celine’s show that grossed 24 million $ in 34 shows.This is profitable for herself,Mottola and Sony team,not to the people TRISH says: July 8, 2011 at 3:16 pmYes,I am fighting alone,so don’t reply to my posts.Otherwise,this is you that fight with me ! The Reason says: July 8, 2011 at 3:23 pmTrish, you have all rights to be pressed. The past daysI actually tried to be civil and TALK with you, but youare too mad and rude.You generic comments will be ignored from now on. Getenough guts and brain to challenge me in real SPECIFICFACTS. TRISH says: July 8, 2011 at 3:29 pmMariah shares with Elvis Presley,Michael Jackson,Beatles : – Most Number 1 Singles on The Billboard Hot 100 Single – Most Cumulated Weeks at the Number 1 on Billboard Hot 100 – Most Number 1 Songs Penned – Most Number 1 songs produced – Huge Influence On other artists – Mark on Pop music – Best selling artist overall for a entire decade ! TRISH says: July 8, 2011 at 3:49 pmYou hide yourself behind Lucky Luke to provoke me.You don’t have guts enough to confront me directly.I have pity on you.I should ignore you completely in the future.I tried so many times to be civil with you,but you always turn it in a bad issue,this is useless.You turn everything on your side.How could I discuss with someone that states Celine’s 1990 albums surpass Mariah? Then said every musical institutions agree with him? How could I have a normal discussion with someone that said Celine’s singles almost equals Mariah’s ? If I was born only the last week,I could swallow these. By the way,What do you call “real SPECIFIC FACTS” ? The Reason says: July 8, 2011 at 3:49 pmClowning ? No, she sings with a 31 musicianns orchestra.Her songs are ballads. No place for being funny. AsJean Paul Gauttier said her show is an example ofelegance. We talk about success so it is so relevant.And yeah MC will be remembered for all these. You actlike I said Mariah is a flop and that she will not beremembered.This is why I say you fight alone. You post IRRELEVANTcomments on things NOBODY ever doubted or questioned.And do you know why you do it ? Because you are stuckthat I hate Mariah. Nice theory on what MC shares withthese legends by the way. She is a bigger vocalinfluence than all these. TRISH says: July 8, 2011 at 4:04 pmI tried so many times to be civil with Lucky Luke,but you always turn it in a bad issue,this is useless.You turn everything on your side.How could I discuss with someone that states Celine’s 1990 albums surpass Mariah? Then said every musical institutions agree with him? How could I have a normal discussion with someone that said Celine’s singles almost equals Mariah’s ? If I was born only the last week,I could swallow these. – When I talked about Mariah’s impressive Asian sales,Lucky Luke said I know nothing on Asian sales. When I said Mariah’s Asian sales doesn’t counted,so they are not known.He said they are counted and known,but when he talk about the data of an album he just able to givtely how many Emotions albums sold in whole Asia ? If you can’t answer clearly,that will prove you lied when you claimed Mariah’s sales in Asia were clear ! About Singles,I was the first to question this pig named Moff than you about Celine and Mariah’s singles.Just answer to these simple questions if you dare: – How many Singles Celine and Mariah has sold respectively at the 1990’s ? -How Many Singles Celine and Mariah has sold respectively at the 2000’s ? Then give a detailed Celine and Mariah discography albums sales since their debut to 2011.Now,I am curious to see what you will put for their respective albums sales. The Reason says: July 8, 2011 at 4:11 pm”You hide yourself behind Lucky Luke to provoke me.You don’t have guts enough to confront me directly.I have pity on you.”I actually asked everyone here to share your E-mail,so how come I hide ? And by the way you have never beencivil or polite. You even attack artists since June 2010here.”How could I discuss with someone that states Celine’s 1990 albums surpass Mariah?”I NEVER said that. I have been REPEATING how Mariahdeserved her 2000 award above Celine, as she (Mariah)was the best seller of the 90s. Your accusation isinvalid.”Then said every musical institutions agree with him?”It is TRUE that Mariah’s labels, sites, biographies andannouncements say she sold over 200m and NOT 300m ! Sohow come you accuse me of this ? Invalid again.”How could I have a normal discussion with someone that said Celine’s singles almost equals Mariah’s ?” ”By the way,What do you call “real SPECIFIC FACTS” ?I mean that we should talk about their singles inSPECIFIC – by album – and not post GENERIC comments likeyou do. How do you dare attacking me when you said thatthe singles from Emotions sold over 7m copies worldwidewhile getting only 2 Us gold certifications ? I havebeen asking Mandy as well to discuss on singles inspecific and she avoids it. You do it too. So don’teven think again of attacking me.To put is simple : I am here to DISCUSS everything withnormal people, that don’t use street vocabulary.Finally, I NEVER tried to provoke you. I would do soby insulting Mariah and giving her names and denyingall her accomplishments, but I don’t ! So don’t tell methat I provoke you. You are the one spiting poison here. TRISH says: July 8, 2011 at 4:24 pm”You hide yourself behind Lucky Luke to provoke me.You don’t have guts enough to confront me directly.I have pity on you.” I address it to Moff ,not to you ! TRISH says: July 8, 2011 at 4:29 pmLucky Luke,just post Celine and Mariah’s respective albums discography sales.Then their respective 25 best seller singles . Then,we could restart the discussion about their respective sales if you want. The Reason says: July 8, 2011 at 4:37 pm”When I talked about Mariah’s impressive Asian sales,Lucky Luke said I know nothing on Asian sales.”No ! YOU admitted you didn’t know her Asian sales ! Yousaid she sold 40m there and then changed it to 50m andsometimes posted 60m as well ! I NEVER used continentalAsia as an argument to my posts. YOU ARE the one to useit ALL THE TIME posting HUGE sales, so the proof is onyour side.”He said they are counted and known.” Yeap. And Tanebrought a link but you called it biased. So how am Isupposed to persuade you on this ? You even deny MC sold18m in Japan, which is an established fact, so how doyou demand sales for the rest unknown markets ? Even if Ibring a link, you will call it biased. Simple. I have nochoice because you don’t leave a choice. By the way, Inever implied LARGE album sales for Celine in Asia toboost her total sales, so I don’t get your questions.I speak on the solid certifications coming from the big/popular/ western markets and then put some logic salescoming from C.Asia, L.America and Africa ALWAYSbeing careful to PROPORTIONS. Do you know this word ?I don’t think so…YOU POSTED 18m for Butterfly , while 7.5m come from Us,Canada, Europe, Oceania, Japan ! = 10.5m from the restmarkets. I NEVER posted crazy figures like these for anyCeline or Mariah album, cause I am very strict andcareful. On your single sales questions, I alreadyreplied many times. You know what I believe and you knowI am ready for a SPECIFIC discussion. The Reason says: July 8, 2011 at 4:57 pm@ POST 312This is what I want to avoid ! If I post 25 singlesfor Celine and 25 singles for Mariah and then theiralbum sales, it is going to be a MESS ! You willreply – sarcastic or rude , deny things – bring yourestimations and we will get nowhere. This is whyI have been saying the past month to bring sales factsfor each album in specific, so we are careful to theproportions and certifications. Let’s start with MCand her singles and then move to Celine. You choose.I repeat : not all together, cause it will be a hot messlike usually, with huge posts. TRISH says: July 8, 2011 at 6:50 pmLet’s start with Celine’s Albums,then Mariah’s.After that,we will discuss about their respective Singles. TRISH says: July 8, 2011 at 9:52 pmOk Lucky Luke,Let’s begin with Celine’s Albums.Then we will do it about Mariah’s.Lucky Luke,just post Celine’s albums sales.Then,we will discuss about it. I await them. We will consider singles after than we already state with the albums question. tane says: July 8, 2011 at 10:05 pmmust read this link! according to forbes Celine Dion is worth 400 million dollars and has sold over 140 million albums! CelebrityNetWorth/celinedion.org MOFF says: July 9, 2011 at 4:11 amAccording to Sony, Celine received the Diamond Award for sales of 175 million albums in 2004. One year after Mariah Carey. From that day to 2011, Celine has released further 7 albums/ DVDS.A new day .. live in Las Vegas: 1.2 million Miracle: 2.6 million On ne change pas: 1.2 million D’elles: 800.000 Taking Chances: 3.5 million My love: 2.1 million Taking Chances The Concert: 0.5 million.Album sales total: 186.8 million.If we go on and don’t call the Diamond Award biased and totally unbelievable we can do the same for Mariah. She received the Award in 2003 for sales of 150 million albums sold.Since that day until now she has released 5 albums. (“Playlist” The very best of MC has never charted)The Emancipation of Mimi. 12 million E=MC2: almost 3 million Memoirs: 1.5 million Merry Christmas 2 u: 0.8 million The ballads: 0.5 millionAlbum sales in total: 167.8 million. The Reason says: July 9, 2011 at 8:12 amYou had posted 1.5m for her early 80s stuff which is accurate, so we move on. + 1.5m from her french compilations. Here :celinedioncharts.com/byalbum.htmAnyway, these are irrelevant.1) Unison : 1.3m in Us according to Nielsen Soundscan and Billboard + 700k Canada. The certifications are 1xP Us and 7xP Canada. In France it went Gold, meaning it shipped 150k. So we get 2.1m from its certifications. So 3m in total. (Adding 900k)2) Dion Chante Plamondon : 200k In Canada, 600k in France and 100k+ in Us = 900k. Therefore it’s total can’t be more than 1.5m worldwide. You said 2m for this album, but I think it sold less. 500k is a big difference for a French album by the way.3) Celine Dion = 5m , we already agreed on this.4) The Colour Of My Love = 6xP Us, 4xP Europe ,1xD Cnd, 500k Oceania ,1m Japan = 12m from the big markets (Actually sold 1.8m in Canada but there is no chance to ever believe this so I don’t calculate that). Total sales 17m.5) A L’Olympia = 1xP Europe, 1xP Canada = 1.1m from its certifications. I don’t add much sales to it, because it was not released in Us, Uk, Australia. So it sold 1.5m the very most.6) D’Eux = 8xP Europe ,700k Canada ,300k Us (Billboard, Nielsen Soundscan) , Gold in N.Zeland = 9.1m from the certifications. So 10m in total. (I add 900k and not more because it is a french album so the proportion of its sales must be lower than the proportion of an English album)7) Falling Into You = 32m ,you agree on this.8) Live A Paris = 2xP Europe, 2xP Canada = 2.2m. So I put a total for this album at 2.5m.9) Let’s Talk About Love = 32m ,her best seller.10) S’il Suffisait D’aimer = 2xP Europe, 4xP Canada, = 2.4m + #7 Twaiwan, #37 Japan and so on. All the sources I’ve checked mention 4m.11) These Are Special Times : 5xP Us, 1xP Europe, 1xD Canada, 500k Japan (2xP) and 150k Australia which shows almost 8m sales. Therefore its total stands at 12m. (Adding 4m – take note)12) Au Coeur Du Stade = 600k France (2xP) ,50k Canada (Gold), Belgium 60k (1xP), Switzerland 60k (1xP) = 770k. So its total sales stand at 1m.13)All The Way = 16m+ from the big markets. 22.5m in total. All its sales are very well calculated here : celinedioncharts.com/byalbum.htm14) Collectors Series Volume 1 : 2.5m Gold in Us, Canada, Mexico, France, Germany, Netherlands, Portugal, Switzerland, Japan, N.Zealand.15) A New Day Has Come : 11m, we agree on this16) One Heart : 2xP Us, 1xP Europe, 1xP Australia, 1xP N.Zealand ,3xP Canada = 3.4m. Total sales 6m17) 1 Fille & 4 Types : 1.5m18) A New Day…Live In Las Vegas : Gold Us (500k). Charted everywhere worldwide : 1.5m19) Miracle : Us (1xP) ,Gold in Uk, France, Italy, Switzerland, Belgium. = 1.5m so its worldwide sales stand at 2.5m worldwide. It was not a strong seller.20) On Ne Change Pas : 2xP France (600k+) ,3xP Canada (300k), 1xP Belgium (60k), 1xGold Switzerland (30k) = 1m copies based on its certifications. So 1.5m the most worldwide. This was actually the best selling french compilation album of 2005.21) D’Elles : 2xP Canada (200k), 1xP France (300k) , 1xGold in Belgium, Russia, Switzerland. Around 600k from the certifications and 1m worldwide.22) Taking Chances : 1xP Us, 1m Europe, 4xP Canada, 1xP Australia, 1xGold (150k) Japan, 2xP S.Africa (150k). = 2.8m from the certifications, so I put 3.5m in total.23) My Love : 2xP Canada, 1xP UK (300k), Ireland , Belgium. + 450k in Us based on Billboard. + 200k sold in Japan (Complete Best). My Love was released worldwide exept for Japan, cause Sony Bmg released C.B. there instead in early 2008. Combined sales reach 2.5m. (I add around 600k) By the way, the album is still charting on UK charts and Ireland. In UK it reached 590k as of July 2011. Little more and will be certified 2xP there.——————————————————–TAKE NOTE TO THESE :– For awards and announcements other projects are also taken into account. For instance albums such as ”Divas Live 98” or some Soundtracks. I am just explaining how they think. I don’t credit Celine for those sales.– For some Us sales I used Billboard, RIAA and Nielsen Soundscan. All 3 sources agree to everything. Here is some detailed data on Celine by Billboard :billboard.com/column/chartbeat/ask-billboard-celine-dion-celebrates-chart-1004134468.story#/column/chartbeat/ask-billboard-celine-dion-celebrates-chart-1004134468.storyIf you check it also mentions some overshipped albums. So when I talked about Mariah’s overshipments I didn’t mean to insult her like you thought I did !– I posted comments based on the big/popular markets and the sales I added were ranging from a few copies (like 200k) to 6m the most (for All The Way). So these STRICT proportions and limits will be used on Mariah’s albums as well.– I can post links showing her certifications from IFPI and RIAA but I won’t do that cause I know the answer I am gonna get. xD– Wikipedia is the only site where Falling Into You surpassed LTAL. It gives 32m+ to FIY and 31m+ to LTAL. LTAL is her best seller though : Its singles sold more, the tour was more successful, the album was much more anticipated and Sony Bmg had offers of like 11m before its release, it is also ahead of FIY in mediatraffic etc. + It got more awards.– Be REALLY careful and POLITE on what you’re gonna post. TRISH says: July 9, 2011 at 5:15 pmOK,Lucky Luke.I agree with almost every sales you give here for Celine’s albums.Except for her 1980’s french compilations.I don’t think they reach 1,5 million sales,but about 500.000 – 800.000 units. Then 1.5m for her early 80s stuff which is accurate,I agree with it.But,the compilations of these french releases doesn’t reach 1,5 million.I think All The Way doesn’t reach 22 million,but 20 million.But,move on this. So,I admit that you are right in these sales that you post for Celine’s albums.But,there is another aspect that you must consider,because this is an important aspect. As you said “I posted comments based on the big/popular markets and the sales I added were ranging from a few copies (like 200k) to 6m the most (for All The Way). So these STRICT proportions and limits will be used on Mariah’s albums as well.” You are mainly right on this,but let’s don’t forget that Mariah and Celine are not equals in sales in the next bigger music market that is Asia.Even if their respective sales there are not totally known,because most of Asian countries doesn’t have Chart sales and Certifications sales system like in western countries.But we can’t ignore them and should credit Mariah’s sales as higher than Celine in that continent that is Asia.Mariah Carey is the most successful western artist overall in Asia.So,the proportions and limits must advantage Mariah over Celine in the Asia continent.This is what I have to say. As we are both ok on Celine’s albums.Now,we can turn on Mariah’s albums sales. The Reason says: July 9, 2011 at 6:27 pmYeah, I forgot to mention this. I am going to be morelenient with MC with these proportions, because she ismore popular and successful in Asia. I am going tosearch for more info on Celine’s compilations to finishwith it and then more info on All The Way. I will alsosearch some Asian facts on MC so we don’t exaggerate(in a negative or positive way). Do the same and we moveon to Mariah. I will post more details on Celine’salbums tomorrow. (Compilation and All The Way) The Reason says: July 10, 2011 at 6:51 am01.Les Premiers Annees (1993) : 1xGold in France : 150k02.Gold Volume 1 (1995) : 2xGold in France : 300k03.Gold Volume 2 (1995) : 1xGold in France : 150kThat’s All I know about these. None of her sites has more sales facts. The only estimations exist in Wikipedia, so I skip it.About All The Way, Billboard (the link I gave) says it sold almost 8m in Us, being 7xP. + The album re-charted in 2007 in Uk, Ireland, Japan and Us. That’s about it.Now on Mariah’s proportions. The biggest Asian markets (as far as I know) are :1) Japan : 200k=Platinum, 100k=Gold2) China : 100k=Platinum, 50k=Gold3) S.Korea : 100k=Platinum, 50k=Gold (Before 2002) /30k=Platinum ,15k=Gold (Till 2006),20K=Platinum ,10k=Gold (Till 2008) ,15k=Platinum,8k=Gold (Since 2008 till now)4) Philippines : 40k=Platinum, 20k=Gold (Before 2002),30k=Platinum, 15k=Gold5) Hong Kong : 20k=Platinum, 10k=Gold6) Taiwan : 50k=Platinum, 25k=Gold7) Singapore : 15k=Platinum, 7.5k=GoldI think the rest markets don’t even have a certification system. At least, I ignore it. Do your search on continental Asian markets and we move on to MC. I just noticed that Germany (500k=Platinum) and UK (300k=Platinum) > these Asian markets. TRISH says: July 10, 2011 at 8:45 amWhat matters here is their sales in the countries,not the level of certification on these countries.Otherwise,we will be mistaken.For example,Germany worth more on certifications than UK,France and Japan.But in facts,the sales of Mariah in these places are more important in UK,France ,etc…than in Germany. What matters here is their sales in the countries,not the level of certifications in those And Mariah sales in Japan,S.Korea,China,Taiwan, are much more significant than her sales in Germany that have highest level of certification than these countries.See ?For example,South Korea platinum album worth 100 k,Germany’s worth 500 k,nevertheless Mariah and Whitney have million selling albums in S.Korea ,but none of them have million selling album in Germany. And Mariah’s sales in the relatively smallest Asian places (Philippines, Hong Kong,Singapore,etc…)are generally equal or very close to her German sales. The level of certification doesn’t indicate the significance of sales,so we can’t base our estimation on it.As for the rest of Asian countries that doesn’t have certification system, that doesn’t mean there is no sales in these places.For example by 1994 Music Box was the best selling album in Malaysia,Thailand,etc…Besides there is many European micro markets that have certification system,however for sales as insignificant as the ones in the Asian weak markets ( but large countries relatively to these European places ). TRISH says: July 10, 2011 at 9:11 amBesides there is so many European micro markets that have certification system,however for sales as insignificant as the ones in the Asian weak markets ( but large countries relatively to these European places )that have no certification system TRISH says: July 10, 2011 at 9:19 amAlso Celine’s sales are more important in UK & France than in Germany that surpass both on certification level The Reason says: July 10, 2011 at 11:16 amMariah sold more in Germany than in Hong Kong according to her sites. Anyway, in order to be 100% fair and not get missed in proportions, we can post her album sales without counting Asia and after we are done we add 50m (from Asia) to the rest of her sales. You say 50m for Asia, I say 40m but I agree to put 50m in her total sales there. TRISH says: July 10, 2011 at 3:10 pmOK,that’s right The Reason says: July 10, 2011 at 4:54 pmThese are her sales outside Asia.01.MARIAH CAREY : 9xP Us, 1m Eur, 7xP Canada, 2xPAustralia, 4xP N.Zealand = 9m + 1m + 700k + 150k + 40k =11m.02.EMOTIONS : 4xP Us, 4xP Canada, 1m Eur, 1xP Australia,1xP N.Zealand = 4m + 400k + 1m + 80k = 4.5m03.MTV UNPLUGGED : 3xP Us, 3xP Canada, 1xP Australia,2xP N.Zealand = 3m + 300k + 90k + 500k (Europe) = 4m.04.MUSIC BOX : 10xP Us, 7xP Canada , 7xP Europe,1m Australia, 5xP N.Zealand = 10m + 700k + 7m + 1m + 50k= 19m05.MERRY CHRISTMAS : 5xP Us, 1xP Canada, 1xP Europe, 4xPAustralia, 2xP N.Zealand = 5m + 1m + 1m + 300k = 7.5m.06.DAYDREAM : 10xP Us, 7xP Canada, 3xP Europe, 5xPAustralia, 5xP N.Zealand = 10m + 700k + 3m + 300k = 14m.07.BUTTERFLY : 5xP Us, 2xP Canada, 1xP Europe,2xAustralia, N.Zealand 1xP = 5m + 200k + 1m + 150k = 6.5m.08.NUMBERS 1S : 5xP Us, 3xP Canada, 2xP Europe, 1xPAustralia, 2xP N.Zealand = 5m + 300k + 2m + 100k = 7.5m.09.RAINBOW : 3xP Us, 2xP Canada, 1m Europe, GoldAustralia and 1xP N.Zealand = 3m + 200k + 1m + 50k = 4.5m.10.GLITTER : 1xP Us, 1xGold France = 1.5m.11.GREATEST HITS : 1xP Us ,1xP Uk, 1xGold France, 1xGoldAustralia, 1xP N.Zealand = 1m + 300k + 150k + 50k = 1.5m12.CHARMBRACELET : 1xP Us , Gold in Canada, France, Uk,Switzerland = 1m + 50k + 150k + 150k + 30k = 1.5m.13.THE REMIXIES : 500k. (250k from Us based on NielsenSoundscan)14.THE EMANCIPATION OF MIMI : 6xP Us, 1xP Europe, 3xPCanada, 1xP Australia, 1xP N.Zealand = 6m + 1m + 300k+ 80k = 6.5m.15.E=MC2 = 1xP Us, 1xP Canada, 1xGold Uk, 1xGoldAustralia = 1m + 100k + 150k + 35k = 1.5m (cause itsactual Us sales stand at 1.3m according to NielsenSoundscan)… So 2m16.THE BALLADS : Gold Ireland, so around 200k.17.MEMOIRS OF AN IMPERFECT ANGEL : 1xGold Us, 1xSylverUk = 500k + 100k = 600k.18.MERRY CHRISTMAS TO YOU = 1xGold Us = 500k, so 600k.Therefore Mariah sold in Us, Europe, Oceania and Canadaa total of 95m albums based on her certifications. Addthe 50m of Asia to get 145m.More detailed…Mariah gets 65m Us, 20m Europe, 3.8mCanada, 3.7m Oceania = Almost 95m again.Her actual sales stand at 68m, 4m, 4m and 28mrespectively so her total is 104m from these.Anyway, on MC we are left with L.America and Africaso bring you own estimations on these. I am too tiredafter all those figures and estimations and proportions.For me she sold 104m + 40m Asia + 15m Africa andS.America = 160m+. For you she logically gets 170m+cause you add 10m more to Asia and maybe a total 175m ifyou add 20m for Africa and L.America. Ouf ! The Reason says: July 10, 2011 at 6:18 pmTyping mistake in the beginning :*outside Asia, Africa and L.America. Athena says: July 10, 2011 at 7:53 pmMARIAH HAS SOLD MORE, BY 2004 YOU SAY CELINE SOLD 175 MILLION ALBUMS BUT NO THAT’S WRONG IT WAS 175 MILLION RECORDS NOT ALBUMS, AND PLUS HOW IS IT POSSIBLE FOR CELINE DION TO REACH 230 MILLION RECORDS SINCE 2004? CELINE DION HAS SOLD 145 MILLION ALBUMS AND 50 TO 60 MILLION SINGLES ACCORDING TO TRISH AND TANE AND FORBES SO THEREFORE CELINE DION HAS SOLD 200 MILLION RECORDS. MARIAH HAS SOLD MORE THAN HER! TRISH says: July 11, 2011 at 4:39 amFirst of all.Mariah sold 27,5 m albums in Europe,not 20m unlike what Lucky Luke posts. Second, Mariah Canadian sales surpasses 3,5 m in Canada,they reach around 5 m there ( Lucky used to claim so in his previous posts ). Fourth,Mariah sales in Oceania reach 4 m in Oceania ( she sold more everywhere in Oceania than Celine there but Australia ,for which Celine may outsold her very slightly ).Just Music Box has sold 1,1m in Australia ( 14x platinum there ). Moreover,like Lucky Luke said,there is many Asian countries that have no certification system,so that these sales are not counted when we take into account certified sales only. At the other hand,almost every insignificant European micro markets have certification system .So all these small sales are also counted for Celine while Mariah’s ( Asian ones ) are neglected.All this disadvantage Mariah’s total sales next to Celine’s. TRISH says: July 11, 2011 at 4:58 amSo, For Mariah total sales we have :USA 67 m Asia 50m Europe 27,5m Latin America 10m Canada 5m Africa 5m Oceania 4mglobal sales 168 mWhen we use this same method to calculate Celine total album sales ( sales per continents ),we will see that her total salesCeline sales :Europe 55m US 50 m Asia 17 m Canada 15 m Latin America 10m Africa 7m Oceania 5mglobal sales = 159 m TRISH says: July 11, 2011 at 5:06 amBut in accordance with Lucky Luke logic,Celine would have 20 m + albums sold in Asia , 60 m in Europe and maybe more sales in USA too. The Reason says: July 11, 2011 at 8:39 am@ ATHENA -.- I see you blindly trust Forbes on Celine’salbum sales. Good. Maybe you should also check whatMariah’s management team, labels and her fan base claimfor MC. You will be surprised.@ TRISH20m in Europe is her certifications and then I said 28mfor Europe. See again. 20m are her certifications and28m her actual sales. In Canada you are right, she gets5m if we make her sales more round. Her certificationsstand at 4.1m so her actual sales stand at 5m. Ok.The only markets in Oceania are Australia and N.Zealandand we have clear certifications there for both of them.I don’t think Mariah’s sales in Asia are neglected atall as we put 50m albums for her despite the fact thatwe have no real references or sources ! All we know isthat Mariah is the best seller there (FACT) and that her1993-1995 + 1998 releases became huge sellers in micromarkets. (FACT) We don’t have that kind of info forButterfly or Rainbow or Emotions. We just assume theysold well because of her other albums’ success orbecause they sold well in Japan.@ POST 333Yeah, exactly. Mariah gets 8m over her Europeancertifications, so its normal Celine gets a higherproportion there of sales of 12m. (Mariah 20m fromcertifications goes to 28m of actual sales, Celine 48mcertifications goes to 60m for actual sales). In UsMariah gets 3m more (65m to 68m), so Celine gets 2m more(52m from certifications goes to 54m total Us sales).Even if we talk on CERTIFICATIONS ALONE and not actualsales we get :Celine Dion :52m Us48m Europe12m Canada2.9m Oceania : N.Zealand 37xP , 5xG , Australia :34xP , 1xGold = 500k + 37.5k + 2.380.000+ 35k = 2.9m in Oceania strictly on certifications.andMariah Carey65m Us20m Europe3.9m Canada2.5m Oceania : N.Zealand : 26xP + 1xGold = 400k ,Australia : 30xP + 3xGold = 2.1m 390k + 7.5k + 2.1m +210k = 2.7m in Oceania strictly oncertifications.About Asia their labels have released some sales factsthere but we obviously don’t take that into account. The Reason says: July 11, 2011 at 9:38 amTyping mistake again : in my final list I meant 4.1m inCanada and 2.7m in Oceania for MC based on certificationsalone. xD Athena says: July 11, 2011 at 4:57 pmJUST LIKE CELINE DION LABELS POINTS OUT SHES ONLY SOLD 200 MILLION RECORDS, MARIAH CAREY HAS SOLD 220 TO 225 MILLION RECORDS IN ACCORDANCE TO FORBES TRISH AND TANE(WELL TRISH CLAIMS 250)MARIAH – 160 TO 165 MILLION ALBUMS 60 TO 65 MILLION SINGLES THESE ARE RIGHT DARLINGS! The Reason says: July 11, 2011 at 5:13 pm200m was in 2007 for Celine (April 2007 actually)by her label and Mariah’s labels show 200m records as of2011. Her sites say so as well and Billboard announcementconfirmed it.And by the way I am the one to say since August 2010that Mariah sells 160m albums+ and around 60m singles.So thank you ! TRISH says: July 11, 2011 at 5:37 pmOK Lucky Luke,according to everything that are claimed here,what are the respective total sales of Celine and Mariah’s respective albums ? TRISH says: July 11, 2011 at 6:00 pmLucky Luke just don’t reply to Athena’s posts like I didn’t reply to what said Moff in the post # 318.No matter what say a Mariah or a Celine fan.Let’s concentrate us in our actual discussion,otherwise we could fall in a new fight together again by replying to each new post by a Celine or a Mariah fan. Well,Lucky Luke.Let’s state about Celine and Mariah’s total albums sales worldwide.Who has sold more according to what are said here ? The Reason says: July 11, 2011 at 10:03 pmLook, Trish. We are tired of this debate. Fact. All Iwanted to do the past months was making you accept thatMariah doesn’t sell 200m albums and 100m singles. Thisis what kept me here. Not proving Celine’s superiority.I don’t mean to brainwash anyone here to accept mysources and my process of thought and my proportions. Inmy very first reply here (POST 1), I told you :”Like I said I am done debating,but you will ALWAYS be called out on the lies and mistakes you keep posting. So you will NEVER feel relief,unless you stop posting lies.”In other words I didn’t mind on what you said aboutCeline’s sales. Mariah’s sales was my issue. Now,I am going to keep my word, cause you seem to acceptMariah sold around 170m (or 180m, I don’t know what youthink) but definitely not as much as you said (over200m). So you are free from me. Oh, and I am not a Mariahhater at all ! Quite the opposite actually. TRISH says: July 12, 2011 at 9:42 pmOK,I admit Mariah’s sales doesn’t really reach 200 million albums nor 100 million singles,however I am convinced that her album sales reach at least 175 million and her single sales 75 million. CHABINE says: July 13, 2011 at 4:49 pmLady Gaga and Rihanna are Illuminati queens ! Lily says: July 14, 2011 at 5:37 pmOK I looked up the net worths..Mariah Carey fortune 750 million.Celine Dion 650.. millionso it is clear to me whoever has more money sold more albums I love both but lets be for real MC is just BETTER Celine… if she did sell more albums than Mariah which I highly doubt because of the money..it is so slight till it doesn’t have a impact and these sites be aggregating all of their sells because Mariah sold over 200 million Celine sold over 200 million and Madonna sold 275 million. I’m sorry guys but Madonna just can’t sing so I don’t know why she sold more albums and it richer than Mariah with…hate to say it 1.1 billion dollars but it is what it is and I know in my heart MC rules. Lily says: July 14, 2011 at 5:40 pmSo that’s the end of it whoever is richer obviously sold more albums no more debating..the END of this Mariah rules and there will NEVER be anyone with a voice quite like the one she had yes it is gone but I still love all of her music I still love her songs she is just a wonderful person in my eyes I love her so much her voice is so beautiful I literally cry hearing it…she is such an amazing person TRULY the best The Reason says: July 14, 2011 at 10:21 pmJust curious…What list shows these net worth figures ?I highly doubt Mariah and Celine know their respectivefortunes, lol.As of Mariah’s voice, she still has her technique,which is the most important asset of all. Sheis in a bad vocal condition, but she will hopefully beback after she takes a good rest. Maybe she startstaking vocal lessons again, cause I think she gave upon them in 1998 or 1999. TRISH says: July 15, 2011 at 5:09 pmLucky Luke,about Mariah’s voice,of course she has her technique as every other singers.But her voice is better not just because of her technique.Mariah has an exceptional voice without even include the technical question.She is the best Pop vocalist ever.Mariah has an unique voice + an unique singing technique,that’s why she’s unreachable.( please everyone, I don’t want to upset anyone,I just support what said Lily about Mariah’s voice.So,take it easy ). Well,Mariah’s voice is better than any other female voice in Pop music by all means,this is what is matter…Lol ! So,Lily is right when he said that it will never be anyone with a voice like Mariah’s. The Reason says: July 15, 2011 at 7:03 pm@ TRISH-.- Lily said Mariah’s voice is GONE ! So, there isnothing to support here.What I said about vocal CONDITION is actually in favorof MC, as she is excused to be tired.For your info, 90% of pop/rnb singers LACK propertechnique. You mix technique with singing STYLE. Allartists have their own style, but not all of them useproper technique. (Right placement, no strain, goodbreath support, proper mixing in the upper belts etc)A Beautiful voice + Technique makes the vocalists ! Sonobody can be credited as a vocalist without includingthe technique questions. Like Maria Callas said”a singer without technique is like a wild animal.”Rihanna has a beautiful, sweet tone but she could neverbe considered a vocalist, cause she lacks propertechnique. She can’t even stay on tune.Anyway, I didn’t say or imply anything bad on MC anyway.I actually replied to what Lily said ”her voice isgone”, cause I don’t think it is gone. You took mycomment the wrong way AGAIN.If you want to get any info on technique etc ask me andI explain you.Oh ! And to make it clear : I actually agree there willnever be another MC. TRISH says: July 15, 2011 at 7:46 pmIn Mariah’s voice is not in a bad condition ! Her voice is in a very good condition and she proved it by her last Christmas album,in by many tracks from her previous album Memoirs.Also by many recent live performances. The Reason says: July 15, 2011 at 9:13 pmYou don’t know what I mean by saying ”vocal condition”so you shouldn’t reply. You obviously think I implyMariah can’t sing. I think you didn’t read POST 347. Myreply to Lily was to prove that Mariah’s voice isn’tgone, cause that’s what Lily said.I didn’t say anything bad for Mariah, so stop replyingto my posts !!! I am defending her here !!! You areannoying. TRISH says: July 15, 2011 at 9:15 pmOK Lucky Luke,I agree with you. @Chabine:The Illuminati question is very complex,but This debate is about Celine Dion and Mariah Carey,not about Lady Gaga and Rihanna. The Reason says: July 15, 2011 at 9:32 pmFinally ! Thanks TRISH :-) tane says: July 18, 2011 at 4:53 pmhere’s a link for richest female singers, but I kind of doubt its true but hey I’m going to do more research:)mademan.com › Celebs › Singers tane says: July 18, 2011 at 4:55 pmbut this one says she has a net worth of 260 million?? you can tell this ones wrong!celebritynetworth.com/richest…/singers/celine-dion-net-worth/ Stephen says: September 9, 2011 at 8:02 amTo All MARIAH CAREY’S FANS MARIAH CANT SING ANYMORE..Oh My Goodness Cant You all See Most Music Nowadays means Party, Turmoil, sex, like Mariah /Carey /.songs Touch My Body A Fat Body lots of Cholesterol…Only Celine Dion Still A Living LegendIf Only Micheal Jackson & Elvis Were Alive Im 100% Sure They Choose Celine for A duet . Than Mariah Always Screaming,Whistling,& shouting Just to have voice goes out From her big mouth……Like A cat screaming on a rooftop… TRISH says: October 7, 2011 at 9:06 am@ Stephen: You are just a delusional Mariah hater.Mariah still the best vocalist ever ! Just bring facts to support your crap if you dare.Listen to her latest Christmas Album.Her new duet with Tony Bennett. About live performances.Mariah’ special Christmas at ABC. Her live performances of O Come All Ye Faithful and One Child at Washington DC.I Want To Know What Love Is,X-Factor in Italia,etc… Every facts deny your lies. Nobody can sing like Mariah even in 2011.Keep dreaming ! TRISH says: October 7, 2011 at 9:13 amAbout Mariah’s body that you try to degrade, you just fail.Mariah is still one of the most beautiful artist ever ! Celine skinny body don’t make her a beautiful woman. Although Mariah is 41,she’s in the league of youngest beautiful young singers as Beyonce,Rihanna,etc… Celine is in the league of oldness divas Barbra Streisand,Tina Turner,etc… Mariah is very beautiful and sexy,your hatred can’t change it.Some videos like Touch My Body,Obsessed,I Want To Know What Love is,etc… deny you TRISH says: October 7, 2011 at 9:17 amJoan Collins says currently that at 41,Mariah is still beautiful after giving birth to her twins.She also said Mariah is dressing sexy as Beyonce and Rihanna. You fail ! “Only Celine is a living legend” Yes,you would be right,if the whole world was resume at Las Vegas.Las Vegas is not even a State.Sorry,your craps are any base.Mariah rules ! ... says: October 10, 2011 at 7:47 pm@TRISH I’m sorry, but every time I see Mariah, I see porn. She’s 41 years old and she acts like that??? “Your hatred can’t change it.” And your hatred towards Celine can’t and won’t change the opinions of these Celiniacs, so I don’t know what you’re doing here, saying she looks old and ugly and that she could never compete with Mariah. That’s your opinion, out of billions of opinions out there. You have got to stop telling people to bring their facts here, when you can’t give one simple one. Do you think you’re right, saying she’s the biggest selling female artist of all time? Do you think you’re right, saying she’s the best singer of all time? NO! With no proof whats so ever, you cant say she is the biggest selling female artist of all time. She’s the best selling of all time, but that’s a totally different thing. Are you telling me you’re SO arrogant, that there’s not even a 1% chance, that you could be wrong?? There have been many great singers, and saying Mariah is the best singer, is one measly little opinion, and will not affect the number albums or fans Celine has. Las Vegas chose CELINE, to save them from the bad economy. Not Cher, not Shania, but CELINE. She has a Colosseum built for her. Her new show has already made over 20 million dollars. Joan Collins is just one person, and doesn’t mean anything. If you’re going to use other people’s opinions to make your idol sound the best, I’ll do the same. David Foster, said Celine is the best singer out there. Tony Mottola said Celine was the best singer. Don’t let your fantasies become your reality. And by the way, replying to me will be a total waste, since I’m done with you. Have a good night! MsCeline says: October 21, 2011 at 9:40 pmCeline is Class plain & simple She is elegant Classy .yet hip & funny She touches your heart .makes you feel what she is singing Sings the way we all wish we could . She isn’t afraid to let the public see her with out makeup or see a scope down her nose into her throat . Mariah is all about her Sexual image , yes she sings good I cant stand to watch her . after her CD Music Box she changed it all became about the Sex Kitten , I hope that having the Twins(not her Boobs) calms her down . Celine will ALWAYS be my #1 Singer I don’t care who sold the most I care how they make me feel . when they sing I know when it comes to the high notes its Celine who gives me goosebumps .. I have seen Celine in Concert 4 times Up close I gave her a rose @–>-> NO lip singing .Pure Celine BUTTERFLY says: November 9, 2011 at 1:12 pm@…Do you want to know what I see when I see Celine? Honestly,I see a respectable woman and a great vocalist,but also a joke,a puppet and a very limited artist -)) About Mariah Carey’s image,she’s influenced mainly by Marilyn Monroe that is her bigger inspiration.What do you see when you see Marilyn Monroe,Beyonce Knowles,Lady Gaga,Rihanna,Britney Spears,Paris Hilton,Pamela Anderson,Carmen Electra,Madonna,Sharon Stone,Tina Turner,Cindy Crawford,Naomi Campbell,Claudia Schiffer,Heidi Klum,Gisele Bundchen??? What do you see when you see these female superstars and legends ? Like Mariah Carey,all these women are praised everywhere worldwide not only for their respective talents,but also for their sexyness and beauty. Educate yourself my dear,beauty and sexyness has nothing to do with porn.Is this Mariah your pet hate ? Or do you have a problem with every sexy and beautiful women? If you tolerate only ugly women,you have a very big problem and you’d better consult a psychologist. By your silly comment,you just show to readers here how much you are ignorant and have a mediocre knowledge about art and beauty.You show to everyone how much your mind is creep and soil by porn.Otherwise,when you see Mariah Carey,you would see an incredible artist with an exceptional voice,an unique talent and a very impressive musicianship. Very dear,this is not by Mariah’s fault if Celine is not sexy and beautiful.Unfortunately,she’s also not talented musically,she has only a good voice.Your hatred can’t and won’t change anything in these facts.Your little opinion can nothing in the fact that Mariah Carey is and will stay for billions of people,a very sexy,beautiful,respected and talented artist . BUTTERFLY says: November 9, 2011 at 1:17 pmI don’t know what you’re doing here you in this debate,as everything about Celine and Mariah was clear here since many months.This is not your post that could change nothing in what lambs and Celiniacs had finally stated after so many months of discussions and comments. I told facts.I keep saying Celine is not gorgeous and she looks averagely,but the most important is about her talent and accomplishments.By comparing Mariah’s musical talents and accomplishments with Celine’s,facts show Celine looks very average next to Mariah. You said that I didn’t give any fact here? About you Celiniac,which fact can you give for Celine out of her Las Vegas show and concerts? Do you think Celine is so great just because she has most success in concerts than Mariah ? This debate is about the most successful artist between Celine Dion and Mariah Carey.Does musical achievements are resumed by concerts and tours? Since when Celine has an album selling 10 million worldwide ? Since when Celine has a single selling million worldwide? Since when Celine has a number 1 hit at Billboard Hot 100 ? Eurochart? What is Celine’s biggest hit for the whole last 2000 decade? How many top 10 Hits Celine has in Europe the last decade compare with Mariah? In America? In Asia? In Oceania? How many Grammy Awards Celine won the last decade? Do you think that Celine equals or surpass Mariah just because she still successful in concerts? Yes,Mariah Carey is the best singer of all times.I gave so many proves about it. BUTTERFLY says: November 9, 2011 at 1:30 pmDavid Foster said that Celine was the greatest singer just because he’s a Canadian like her.Tommy Mottola wanted to upset Mariah when he said so in 1996 because Mariah had rebelled against him and Sony team and refused to make Pop ballad albums like Celine did.I remind you that Mariah’s debut album got the highest budget for a debut artist because Sony Team and Mottola known that she was exceptional. In how many different musical genres Celine is able to sing compare with Mariah? How could she the best singer? Do Celine could ever do the half of what Mariah is able to do vocally ?the professionals,vocal coaches,other singers/superstars,opera singers,doctors,producers,etc… that all recognize Mariah’s range as true.Do you have better knowledge ? Funny !Daphne Brooks – Instructor, Princeton University:“She is our greatest singing act that we’ve seen in decades, for decades and decades.”“Our reality shows, they are contests so it’s about being able to triumph in a particular way that is spectacularly satisfying to the masses. And no artist has been more spectacularly satisfying at the level of singing in the past 20 years than Mariah Carey.”David Lee Brewer – Opera singer/vocal coach:“She’s alone. She’s in her own category.”“White America believed that they had found ‘The Great White Hope.’ White people everywhere believed that she was white singing like a black girl. And with such a voice! My God! All of my white friends,‘Have you heard this new Mariah Carey?’ All of a sudden Mariah Carey was all over the scene like in a splash.”“Mariah Carey is a league of her own. No one can sing as high or as low. This means that you are a phenomenon. That’s what it means. The normal person has 2½ to 3 vocal range. Mariah is off the chart. She makes sounds. She has complete control of her vocal range. And why? Because she studied. She studied with a woman who happens to be her mother, who happens to be a colleague of mine, who’s an opera singer.”“Her white legion of fans who believed her still identified with her. And because of that she was able to bridge every gap there was. Mariah Carey is single-handedly responsible for bridging the gap between Pop and Hip-hop, and Soul and R&B. She is responsible for bridging all of those. No other singer. She is.”Diane Warren – Songwriter:“She wrote really accessible songs that have touched people. People connected with her.”David Morales – DJ/Remixer/Producer:“She’s allowed to be a diva in this business as a female artist, as a professional because she is the bitch.Don Lawrence -Vocal coach :” When Mariah first came up,I said ” this girl will be able to go higher vocally than any other artist ”Toure,Rolling Stones :” She ( Mariah Carey )is one of top singers in the world ,the word “singer” took literally.”Simon Cowell-” To sing a Whitney Houston song is very difficult,to sing a Mariah Carey song is a vocal suicide”. Walter Afanasieff -” Mariah Carey is the discovery of the century,as artist and vocalist “.Daphne Brooks – Instructor, Princeton University:“She is our greatest singing act that we’ve seen in decades, for decades and decades.”“Our reality shows, they are contests so it’s about being able to triumph in a particular way that is spectacularly satisfying to the masses. And no artist has been more spectacularly satisfying at the level of singing in the past 20 years than Mariah Carey.”David Lee Brewer – Opera singer/vocal coach:“She’s alone. She’s in her own category.”“White America believed that they had found ‘The Great White Hope.’ White people everywhere believed that she was white singing like a black girl. And with such a voice! My God! All of my white friends,‘Have you heard this new Mariah Carey?’ All of a sudden Mariah Carey was all over the scene like in a splash.”“Mariah Carey is a league of her own. No one can sing as high or as low. This means that you are a phenomenon. That’s what it means. The normal person has 2½ to 3 vocal range. Mariah is off the chart. She makes sounds. She has complete control of her vocal range. And why? Because she studied. She studied with a woman who happens to be her mother, who happens to be a colleague of mine, who’s an opera singer.”“Her white legion of fans who believed her still identified with her. And because of that she was able to bridge every gap there was. Mariah Carey is single-handedly responsible for bridging the gap between Pop and Hip-hop, and Soul and R&B. She is responsible for bridging all of those. No other singer. She is.”Diane Warren – Songwriter:“She wrote really accessible songs that have touched people. People connected with her.”David Morales – DJ/Remixer/Producer:“She’s allowed to be a diva in this business as a female artist, as a professional because she is the bitch.Don Lawrence -Vocal coach :” When Mariah first came up,I said ” this girl will be able to go higher vocally than any other artist ”Toure,Rolling Stones :” She ( Mariah Carey )is one of top singers in the world ,the word “singer” took literally.”Simon Cowell-” To sing a Whitney Houston song is very difficult,to sing a Mariah Carey song is a vocal suicide”.Walter Afanasieff -” Mariah Carey is the discovery of the century,as artist and vocalist “. BUTTERFLY says: November 9, 2011 at 1:32 pm“I love Mariah Carey. Her music has saved lives of children of the ghetto. Songs like “Vision of Love” gave us hope and the desire to sing her songs, trying to reproduce her notes, even if we could not. I do not think she knows she has played a large part of my life. And then when you meet her, you realize it is such a beautiful person, to defend when the media or other stars are attacking her. She does not deserve that. ” Mary J Blige” I used to sing “Vision of Love” all the time in my shower using my toothbrush as a microphone.I looked up to Mariah a lot and I still do. I admire her as an artist, and to compete with her was a moment I will never forget for the rest of my life “.”Rihanna“Vision of Love” when I heard this song, I knew my mind was made up, I wanted to become a singer.”Beyonce.“The first singer that I’m really interested in was Mariah Carey when I was 12. Somehow, she learned me to sing, because you know I could not really pay me singing lessons. So I just listen to all her albums over and over again and learned her words.”Nelly Furtado“I watched “The Arsenio Hall Show” and Mariah sang “Vision of Love.” The way she used her voice, she had so much power. I knew then that I also wanted to make people feel what she had purchased. I bought all her albums and memorized her words. That’s all I wanted to make my day, singing songs by Mariah Carey.”Nivea Hamilton“I was obsessed! I remember when I heard “Vision of Love” and then I saw this young white woman with a black woman’s voice, and while it upset me. You can tell her she was an icon magic and everything I dreamed of being when I was in school, it is becoming Mariah Carey. She sang with a gospel choir around her and it was my dream. I just wanted to be her !”Lucie Silvas” From her first album till today ,her music is absolutely beautiful to listen to. I am touched by every note and her voice is practically on all notes of the piano.”Anastacia” I found out Mariah on the radio when I was in my room. And when “Vision of Love” is over, I ran down the stairs and I told my mother,“Mom, Mom, I just found the greatest singer in the world. I just heard the most beautiful voice in the world ”Christina Aguilera“I always told this story: when I was in prison and I heard for the first time “vision of love”, I said it was the hottest song in the world. I always used to say:“Dude! if only I could meet her !”Snoop Dogg” Mariah Carey is a perfectionist,every tracks from her albums proves that ”Missy Elliott” Vision Of Love Is an incredible song.Mariah Carey is an incredible artist”Wanya Morris” Mariah’s voice is like a cloud of emotion that surrounds you, and take you in a dream world ”Fat JoeSee ? BUTTERFLY says: November 10, 2011 at 11:25 amCeline is good,but Mariah is the uncomparable,she’s incredible and very far beyond Celine,let’s just admit it. -) The Reason says: November 17, 2011 at 11:55 amThe only reasons why Celine does not have agglophone hits this decade (she scored several french hits in the 00s) is because 1) she is doing adult contemporary music and not urban/hip hop or electropop which were the popular genres this decade 2) her label aims at album sales for Celine and not single sales. Even in 1998/1999 when she was at the height of her popularity her label barely released her singles physically. For example ”That’s The Way It Is” that became a hit in Us (#6) was never released commercially there. Its success was due to airplay alone. The CD single was only released many months later on the B Side of her single ”I Want You To Need Me”. Same way songs that could become hits were never released commercially on the right time such as ”A New Day Has Come” , ”I’m Alive”, ”I Drove All Night”. Not to mention that the Miracle album had no commercial singles AT ALL + the only commercial single of the last 2 projects (Taking Chances + My Love) was the song ”Taking Chances”. Another fact that proves what I’m saying is that Celine rarely shot video clips for her 00s English songs. I count like 8 music videos while she released 2 compilation albums, 4 studio albums and 1 live album. It is more than obvious Celine does not even try to have many English hits. Actually, in her career she has released about 140 singles and only 60 of them were released commercially (20 in French and about 40 in English).So once lambs are asked about Mariah’s hard times at selling out stadiums the response should be irrelevant to Celine’s single success. Celine does not try to sell her singles that much. This is crystal clear. That being said, Mariah does try to be successful at touring and sell out arenas everytime she decides to tour. The 3 major tours she did this decade were quite extensive (for her touring standards) but none of them managed to really sellout or even make an impact. Besides I don’t know why lambs who keep declaring Mariah as the best selling and most talented female artist can’t explain in simple words why the so called untouchable and popular diva has been unable for more than a decade to gather audiences when she is going on tours. I know successful touring is many times irrelevant to talent, but I never saw any other talented and well known mainstream artist being unable to sellout. And I mean #Never.I also see lambs boasting about Mariah’s hits this decade. Yes she has had hits and good for her. Nobody denies that. But every thing has 2 sides, not just one. Once we want to credit an artist for being successful at one area we have to take into account the ups and downs. The ups in this case would be songs like : 1) Thank God I Found You 2) Loverboy 3) I Know What You Want 4) We Belong Together 5) Shake It Off 6) Touch My Body 7) Obsessed and probs 8) I Want To Know What Love Is (For its success in Brazil) who really became popular. So there it is. Mariah had 8 good selling singles this decade. Good for her. It is more than Celine who had like 3 or 4 (If we count That’s The Way It Is).How about looking at the downs of the whole thing ? The downs would be 1) Can’t Take That Away 2) Never Too Far 3) Don’t Stop Funkin For Jamaica 4) Last Night A DJ Saved My Life 5) Through The Rain 6) Boy (I Need You) 7) Bringing On The Heartbreak 8) Say Something 9) Fly Like A Bird) 10) Lil Love 11) My Love 12) Bye Bye 13) I’ll Be Loving You Long Time 14) I Stay In Love 15) Right To Dream 16) Hateu 17) Up Out My Face 18) Angels Cry 19) 100% 20) O Santa are all songs who failed to make an impact on mainstream radios or charts. However, most of them were released commercially + on mainstream stations + they were supported by music videos + most of them were songs of the urban rnb/hip hop genre.So even the biggest argument of Mariah’s superiority this decade is pretty much invalid given the fact she’s not a stable seller. Actually facts show she’s been more unsuccessful than successful even in this area. Therefore, before lambs attack Celine for being unable to have hit songs (In English!) they should first take into account their own divas hard times at selling her music.In terms of album sales this decade Mariah has TEOM that sold over 1om copies (and probs Rainbow). Celine has ANDHC and her compilation All The Way. I don’t see how any logic person would boast about Mariah having an album to sell over 10m this decade. The irony is that the rest releases are considered flops in terms of album sales. ”Memoirs Of An Imperfect Angel” sold a little more than 1m copies. None of Celine’s english studio albums has ever sold that low. ”Merry Christmas To You” sold a little more than 600k worldwide. None of Celine’s English studio albums has ever sold that low. Moreover none of Celine’s agglophone projects has ever received a limited worldwide release like Mariah’s latest album.In terms of Grammy Awards, Mariah got her 5th Grammy in 2005. Celine had received her 5th Grammy in 1999. These are all established facts. I would rather ask lambs when was the last time Mariah was awarded in a market outside Us. :/I don’t see how these arguments make sense. Actually they don’t make sense at all and I’m sorry to see people insisting in these unsupported theories.Moving on…Celine Dion is not only praised by David Foster and Tommy Mottola (who actually have no personal motives to praise her talent). She has also been praised by music legends such as Barbra Streisand who said it was an HONOR for her to sing next to Celine, Lucciano Pavarotti who said he couldn’t have a better partner to do a duet, Andrea Bocelli, Michael Jackson (Probably the best entertainer ever lived) who actually went to see Celine’s performances in Las Vegas, Bee Gees who said Celine inspired them to write ”Immortality” and that it was a gift to collaborate with her, Peabo Bryson who said that there is no way you won’t fall in love with Celine once you get to sing with her, Thalia (best selling Spanish female singer) who cited Celine as her main influence and also praised her down to earth personality. Lara Fabian, Delta Goodrem, Michael Bubble, Il Divo, Luc Plamondon, Ricky Martin, Garou, Rihanna, Josh Croban have all praised Celine. Randy Jackson said she is unreachable. Simon Cowell and all judges put her on the same league as Whitney and Mariah and call them ”The Trinity”. Cher said that Celine Dion is the best voice in the business. Prince also praised Celine’s talent and even offered her a song. Prince Albert said her talent creates smiles of love all over the planet. Moreover, it is not just what people said. It is also what people did ! Actions can also show people’s admiration and respect towards an artist. The Pope chose Celine Dion to perform ”Une Colombe” when she was 16. Queen Elisabeth chose Celine Dion to perform ”Because You Loved Me” and ”The Reason” for the Royale wedding. Colloseum chose Celine for the biggest contract for a live entertainment deal in the history of music. The ceremony of Grammy Awards chose Celine to perform most times at the ceremony. Academy Awards also chose Celine to sing and as of 2011 she holds a record there too. Celine was chosen to perform at the 1996 Olympics and the result is the most poignant vocal performance to ever take place for an Olympic Games ceremony. Aren’t all these honors and establish proof of acclaim ? Yes they are. I don’t mention her countless appearances on Soundtracks because these are just commercial steps and don’t prove much. However, every person who is unbiased and fan of both Mariah and Celine can see that both artists are highly respected by the music industry. Celine doesn’t need Mariah’s acclaim and Mariah doesn’t need Celine’s acclaim.Finally, Celine has been more consistent when singing live the past years. She was belting and sustaining powerful F5s in her latest tour in more than 132 while being in a bad vocal condition. The woman is a beast. Anyway…This does not take away Mariah’s greatness as a vocalist. I just can’t when reading biased unsupported comments of Celine being really behind Mariah. These are rather silly statements which only prove lack of music knowledge and fanaticism. I am not an ignorant and I am not stan so I know damn well what I’m talking about.The End. <3 The Reason says: November 17, 2011 at 9:07 pmMy mistake on Mariah’s singles. Reflections (Care Enough) did not make an impact, Against All Odds (Take A Look At Me Now) is an average hit and Don’t Forget About Us is a good selling single.I also forgot to mention another argument that proves Celine’s label aims at album sales and not single sales. Even Celine’s biggest hit ”My Heart Will Go On” recieved a limited release in the world’s biggest market (Us) as only about 700k were available on music stores. It is a tactic Sony followed to boost the album sales of ”Let’s Talk About Love” and ”Titanic” Soundtrack. These steps make sense because it takes like 3 dollars to buy a single and like 1 dollar (the most) to download a single, while albums are always sold for like 15-25 dollars. This is what happens here in Europe too.Albums usually cost from 18-22 Euros and singles price always pales in comparison. So in terms of proving popularity people should rather care about album sales, dvd sales and ticket sales in first place and then about downloaded singles. Besides even the most untalented artists can easily sell singles. All it takes is 1) doing mainstream music 2) having a suggestive/cool attitude and videos. This is why artists like Kesha, Rihanna, Katy Perry, Black Eyed P. have been scoring several hits. Are they big or even stable album sellers or successful touring artists ? Hell no.Singles can be easily manipulated by the labels. Album sales can’t, exactly because albums cost way more. Tickets also can’t be manipulated at all.Anyway my vote on who had the most successful career goes to Celine. Sony says: November 30, 2011 at 6:18 pmMariah Carey is so much better Sony says: November 30, 2011 at 6:51 pmMariah is the more talented BUTTERFLY says: December 1, 2011 at 7:38 amLike it or hate,Mariah Carey is far more successful than Celine Dion.I agree that Celine is also a very great seller like MC and that she surpasses Mimi only in concerts and tours.Yes,Celine is also praised by some celebrities and superstars but the important here is that Mimi surpasses her on it.But Mariah surpasses Celine in hits,influence,legacy and musicianship.Mariah also left some unique marks and records as producer and composer that even famous songwriters ,producers and composers like Diane Warren,Carole King,David Foster,Walter Afanasieff,etc. have to envy.Celine doesn’t have these kind of achievements at all. BUTTERFLY says: December 1, 2011 at 7:52 amMariah is more successful than Celine,no doubt. Mariah is still more impressive on stage than Celine.Even if she performs mainly R&B and Hip Hop songs the last decade that hide her incredible and unreachable vocal capability.Her ABC special Christmas prove that she’s unique.She has not only power,but also an incredible flexibility and versatility.Her voice stay as young and fresh as the 1990’s.Mariah’s live performance of Charlie Brown Christmas,One Child,Christmas Time Is In The Air Again,O Little Town Of Bethlehem,etc…prove that Mariah Carey is still The Voice ! BUTTERFLY says: December 1, 2011 at 8:26 amAlbums sales can be manipulated easily by labels and musical institutions that based their certifications and statements on estimations. BUTTERFLY says: December 1, 2011 at 8:45 amNo matter if singles are cheap or expensive.Fact stay,Mariah is more successful than Celine in singles either in sales either in airplay Charts. The only reasons why Mariah doesn’t have impressive success on tours this decade is because 1) she did a few concerts and tours at the time when she was the most popular and successful worldwide. 2) She started to give tours only after her Music Box album,but in a few different countries.So it’s normal that she doesn’t have successful tours nowadays,since her popularity decrease a lot relatively to the1990’s Divas Live. says: December 4, 2011 at 2:14 amTo: All Mariah Carey Fanatic…. ] MARIAH CAREY Cant Sing Anymooooooooooooooooore……………Where is Mariah Today……..? Sleeping Every night…….Celine Dion Still Performing At Las Vegas Every night Millions Of People Around the world travel …..only to see her……Its Very Very Very Idiot to say Mariah Carey I Better Than Celine Dion….Even in Divas Live 1998 Mariah Carey is Like A horse…trying to reach those notes……..while Celine;s Angel Voice is Crystal Clear……and her belting Voice so Clean……while Mariah is Like Sour Throat ..that why Mariah Was blown by Celine’s belting notes ……until Now Still Celine Dion Rule the world when we speak about a Diva…………….and that’s the fact….Mariah Cant sing Anymooooooooooooooooooorrrrrrrrrrreeeeeee……. Divas Live. says: December 4, 2011 at 2:26 amEven …..Most Musician around the world choose Celine to work with than Mariah Carey cant sing anymooooorrrreeeeee…. Mariah Carey’s song is meaningless her songs is all about party…….lust ..sex….etch…… she cant even make a song for her child……..if she can ..im sure the Title probably …..I want to be your doll…. touch my *****…….my goodness …..Even at Oscar Awards they always choose Celine Dion to perform than Mariah…..Mariah is just whispering ……….& whistle anywhere ….in the song without meaning …..Remember what she does at MJ burial ???? such a disgrace………..if only Celine Dion Will Performed * give tribute to MJ Im sure all the world where move….not like Mariah did…..such a disgrace……poor MoMo………Shes really trying hard to sing…………anymoooooooorrrrreeeeeeee……………………… Divas Live. says: December 4, 2011 at 2:30 amCant Sing Anymoooooooooooooreeeeeee period… Divas Live. says: December 4, 2011 at 2:31 amOkey Mariah…..just whispering anymooooooooooooorrrrrreeeee.. Gloria Macapagal Arroyo says: December 5, 2011 at 4:52 amCeline Dion Still Amazing………She CAN easily sing her old songs…..Most Contestant here in Philippines in singing contest use Celine Dion just to win.MAriah yes she cant sing anymore you CAN SEE SHE REALLY STRUGGLE TO HIT THE NOTES. CELINE DION .still better & better everyday. dave says: December 5, 2011 at 4:55 ami like mariah i always have an erection evrytime she sing. Mariah wins. charice says: December 5, 2011 at 5:03 amHere in Philippines most contestant in singing contest use Celine Dion Songs to show a real vocal powers. I think Celine is more successful than mariah because she can still bring a big concourse of people to watch her show. While Mariah Carey still Flopping 7 Flopping only few recognize her nowadays..Celine Can Sing \different kinds of languages….while mariah only english. Celine can sing italian songs, spanish,French,English,etch.. Janice. says: December 5, 2011 at 5:13 amYes its true i saw Mariah Carey in youtube she really murder Holy Night She really change tha whole songs shouting,whistle in wrong tempo,plus the shouting and applause the audience to praise Mariah they forgot the real meaning of the songs its all about Christ the Lord not about her ..Mariah’s whistle is so hurt to my eardrum.. NO WONDER Celine Dion Version is more popular in youtube Mariah Only got approximately 1 million followers While Celine Dion has 12 million hahahaha and most people here still say Mariah is better hahahaha really funny..hahahahahaha…. TRISH says: December 5, 2011 at 6:40 amSorry haters,but Mariah is way better than Celine by all means.Celine never known how to sing dear honeys.She can only release nasal screams. This camel called Celine can just make people laugh by her pull faces and jokes.Nothing to do with singing. TRISH says: December 5, 2011 at 6:54 amMimi is talented enough to singing by HER OWN while Celine needed reputed vocalist to back up her nasal and dry voice and career.Moreover,The voice is able to create her own songs and produce them.Mariah is a real artist,not a parrot,neither a puppet. MARIAH IS BETTER THAN CELINE ON STAGE,CELINE CAN’T SING ANYMORE !!!! TRISH says: December 5, 2011 at 7:07 amMariah is called ” Queen of Christmas songs”.Her all time classic All I Want For Christmas Is You.Is the best selling Christmas single of all time.Her version of O Holy Night is the best version ever and the most popular worldwide ! TRISH says: December 5, 2011 at 7:17 amTony Bennett,Justin Bieber,etc…choose Mariah to sing in duet,while Celine clown in front of many thousand of people at Las Vegas. Mariah is able to sing different musical genres while Celine only Pop/Ballad songs created and produced by other artists. TRISH says: December 5, 2011 at 7:33 amThis is very very foolish to say Celine is better than Mariah.Mariah rules on Billboard next to legends as Beatles and Elvis Presley.Where is Celine ? Oh…sorry I forget that she make pull faces at Las Vegas.Mariah held the record of the widest and most extended voice of all time by Guinness World Records. Celine ? Only her delusional fanatics try to say she has an special voice. Mimi is ranked first at the 22 greatest voices of all time by MTV Countdown.etc… TRISH says: December 5, 2011 at 7:46 amYou are just so ignorant and idiot to say that Mariah’s songs are meaningless.The Voice owns the lyrics of : Hero,Vision Of Love,Fly Like A Bird,Oh Santa,Make It Happen,My Saving Grace,Butterfly,Love Takes Time,We Belong Together,One sweet Day.etc.. Can you please tell me which meaningful song Celine sang that is created and produced by herself? TRISH says: December 5, 2011 at 7:53 amThe Voice is so much better than Celine either in studio either on stage.Celine can only dream about Mimi’s riffs,runs,melismas and belts. TRISH says: December 5, 2011 at 7:58 amAt least,Mariah is able to make a man getting an erection unlike Celine that couldn’t even if she stay completely nude. TRISH says: December 5, 2011 at 8:01 amCeline is an overrated artist,while Mimi is a living legend ! popdirt says: December 5, 2011 at 8:04 amClosing comments on this post. Continue the discussion here.Comments are closed.