Top Selling Female Artist Madonna Or Mariah Carey Part 3

Madonna 'Deeper and Deeper'

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Madonna Excited To See Lola Focus On Fashion Line

September 25, 2010 – Popstar! magazine was inside with Madonna and her daughter Lourdes “Lola” Leon for their party celebrating the release of their Material Girl line at Macy’s on September 22nd. Madonna, Lola, Taylor Momsen and Madonna’s son Rocco were on stage. Thanking Lola for her help with the fashion line, Madonna told the audience, “It’s been so great to watch her focus, her determination… I have achieved many things in my life, but I have to say watching my daughter make her dreams come true and achieve her goals is the most exciting thing I’ve ever done.” Watch footage via YouTube below.


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408 thoughts on “Top Selling Female Artist Madonna Or Mariah Carey Part 3

  1. LuckyLuke says:

    @ TRISH

    PS -> People Attend Madonna’s concerts because she is an

    outstanding performer , dancer that has many hits through

    the 80s , 90s and 00s. And we talk about worldwide hits ,

    not just local hits.

    People attend Celine’s concerts because she is an

    amazing vocalist & an improved performer as her shows

    in Las Vegas and Taking Chances tour proved.On Celine

    hits…Her last worldwide hit was ”A New Day Has Come”

    in 2002 that reached number 1 at United World Chart ,

    top 10 In European countries and Number 1 at Billboard

    AC Charts for 21 weeks.

    You said Celine doesn’t have a hit since 1998 , obviously

    refering to her number 1 single in Us”I’m Your Angel”

    and this of course proves the BIASED way you think ,

    that only singles in Us are considered ”hits” !!!

    Pretty much convinient to think like that,right ? ? ?

    Moreover , this decade rnb and hip hop and urban dance

    songs were popular…Did we see Celine even making

    an effort to release rnb or hip hop music featuring

    rappers at her songs ? ? ? Answer : NO !

    It is obvious her label didn’t mind , since music

    nowadays SUCKS , and it is clear they focused on her

    Shows and wanted her to improve as a performer.

    So Celine distanced herself from the crap mainstream

    music and focused on other things she thought were

    more important, such as having a stable place for her

    family and sharing her talent with hardcore fans every

    night.

    Mariah , a vocal legend,can’t sell out because she has 0

    stage presence compared to Madonna and Celine and all

    other mainstream artists , (Beyonce , Britney , Gaga ,

    Rihanna etc) , and doesn’t have worldwide hits this

    decade with the exeption of ”We Belong Together” !

    Singles that became huge in Us such as ”Thank God I

    Found You” , ”Shake It Off” , ”Touch My Body”

    recieved poor success worldwide and sold same

    amount as singles ”I’m Alive” , ”Sous Le Vent” ,

    ”That’s The Way It Is” that recieved notable success

    in Europe , and not in Us.

    Finally , I insisted that touring is the result of

    skills. Audiences would never pay 50 – 300 dollars

    to attend concerts of not skilled people ! Lmao !

    You are a HATER for saying people attend

    Celine’s concerts because she is a good comedian !

    Don’t you get shamed ? Animal !

    I know truth hurts , but it is time to face it the

    way it is.

  2. HCb2 says:

    madonna is da best female seling artist of world , see

    wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_Guinness_World_Records_does_Madonna_hold

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madonna_%28entertainer%29

    popcrunch.com/madonna-guiness-book-of-records-worlds-most-successful-female-musician/

    riaa.com/goldandplatinumdata.php?table=tblTopArt

  3. TRISH says:

    @ HCb2 : Guinness also claimed Madonna sold over 300 million albums since 2003,see ? Guinness lied for Madonna and it continue to lie for her .
    @ everyone : There is the right sales of Celine Dion, Madonna and Mariah Carey :

    Celine’s English & French albums :

    1-La voix du bon Dieu 40 000
    2-Céline Dion chante Noël 40 000
    3-Tellement j’ai d’amour 180 000
    4-Les chemins de ma maison 90 000
    5-Du soleil au cœur 90,000
    6-Chants et contes de Noël 40 000
    7-Les Premieres annees 12 000
    8-Les oiseaux du Bonheur 90,000
    9-Mélanie 90 000
    10-Les plus grands succès de Céline Dion40,000
    11-C’est pour toi 40 000
    12-Celine Dion en concert 40,000
    13-Les chansons en or 40,000
    14-Incognito 500 000
    15-Cest Pour Vivre 10 000
    16-The Collection ( 1982-1988 )15 000
    17-The Best Of 300,000
    18- Gold ( Vol 2 ) 5000
    19-Gold ( Vol 1) 7000
    20- Unison 2
    21-Dion chante Plamondon 2,7
    22-Celine Dion 3
    23-The Colour Of My Love 16
    24- The Early Singles 9000
    25-A l’Olympia 0,5
    26-D’eux The French album 7
    27-Live A Paris 0,7
    28-Falling into you 32
    29- Let’s talk about love 31
    30- These are special times 11,5
    31- S’il suffisait d’aimer 3
    32- All The Way… A decade of songs 19
    33-Au Coeur Du stade 0,4
    34-The Collector series 1,5
    35-Les Indispensables 10 000
    36- On Ne Change Pas 1,5
    37- A New Day Has Come 10
    38-Les Plus Belles Chansons D’amour 11 000
    39- One heart 4
    40- 1 fille et 4 Types 1,7
    41- A New Day…Live In Las Vegas 1,1
    42- Miracle 2,5
    43-Let’s Talk About Love/Falling Into You/A New Day Has Come 0,3
    44-Taking Chances 3,5
    45-Ultimate Box 8 000
    46-D’elles 1
    47-Complete Best 1,2
    48-My love: Essential Collection 1
    49-Taking Chances World Tour : The Concert 530 000
    Global Total : 161,2 million.Like we see ,since 1981 to 2011,Celine Dion sold 161,2 million copies from 49 releases,in 30 years of career.
    Madonna global sales :
    1. The Immaculate Collection 25 million
    2. True Blue 19,5 million
    3. Like a Virgin 18 million
    4. Ray Of Light 14 million
    5. Like a Prayer 11 mill
    6. Music 10 million
    7. Confessions on a dance floor 10 million
    8. Madonna 8,5 million
    9. Something to remember 6,5 million
    10. Bedtime Stories 6 million
    11. I’m Breathless 5 million
    12. Evita 5,5 million
    13. Erotica 3 million
    14. GHV2 4 million
    15. You can dance 3 million
    16. Who’s that girl 3 million
    17. American Life 3 million
    18. Hard Candy 3,8 million
    19. Celebration 2,1 million
    20. The Confessions Tour 1 million
    21. I’m going to tell you a .. 0,8 million
    22. Sticky and Sweet Tour 0,7 million

    TOTAL: 168,9 million albums sold from 1983 to 2011. ( 28 years of career )
    Mariah Carey Albums Sales .
    01.MARIAH CAREY ->19 m Copies
    02.EMOTIONS -> 13 m Copies
    03.MTV UNPLUGGED -> 11m Copies
    04.MUSIC BOX -> 32m Copies
    05.MERRY CHRISTMAS -> 17 m Copies
    06.DAYDREAM -> 25 m Copies
    07.BUTTERFLY 17 m Copies
    08.NUMBER 1’S -> 18 m Copies
    09.RAINBOW -> 13m Copies
    10.GLITTER -> 4 m Copies
    11.GREATEST HITS -> 6 m Copies
    12.CHARMBRACELET -> 5 m Copies
    13.REMIXES -> 1m Copies
    14.THE EMANCIPATION OF MIMI -> 12,5 m Copies
    15.E=MC2 -> 2,5m Copies
    16.MEMOIRS -> 2 m Copies
    17..BALLADS 0,8 m Copies (Combined)
    18-PLAYLIST-> 0,4m copies
    19-MERRY CHRISTMAS II YOU 0,8mCopies
    Total sales =200,8 million albums sold.In just 20 years of career with only 19 releases,
    Mariah Carey is the top selling female artist by far,as we see !

  4. MOFF says:

    Trish, you decreased all Madonna and Celine albums!
    You lie, liar!
    Guinness never claimed 300m albums for Madonna, give us a link.
    Your Mariah sales are inflated, liar.
    Almost every album is inflated, liar.

  5. MOFF says:

    you decreased most of Madonna albums 1 million.
    Like a Virgin: AT LEAST 20 million:

    USA: 10.300.000
    Canada: 1.200.000
    Brazil: 300.000
    Mexico: 100.000
    America: 12.530.000

    UK: 2.100.000
    France: 650.000
    Germany: 750.000
    Italy: 650.000
    Spain: 275.000
    Netherlands: 250.000
    Sweden: 175.000
    Switzerland: 105.000
    Austria: 75.000
    Finland: 36.000
    Europe: 6.080.000

    Australia: 490.000
    New Zealand: 75.000
    Oceania: 585.000

    Japan: 1.000.000
    Singapore: 40.000
    Asia: 2.100.000

    South Africa: 25.000
    Rest: 250.000
    Total: 21.600.000

    See?

    true Blue: AT LEAST 22 million!

    USA: 7.500.000
    Canada: 1.650.000
    Brazil: 700.000
    Mexico: 250.000
    Argentina: 300.000
    America: 10.800.000

    UK: 2.300.000
    France: 1.700.000
    Germany: 1.250.000
    Italy: 1.300.000
    Spain: 325.000
    Netherlands: 350.000
    Sweden: 125.000
    Switzerland: 200.000
    Austria: 115.000
    Finland: 55.000
    Belgium: 100.000
    EUROPE: 9.260.000

    Australia: 300.000
    New Zealand: 75.000
    Oceania: 385.000

    Japan: 1.000.000
    Singapore: 100.000
    Asia: 2.500.000
    Rest: 500.000
    Total: 23.500.000

    See, liar ?

    TEC:

    USA: 12.000.000
    Canada: 1.500.000
    Brazil: 1.000.000
    Mexico: 850.000
    Argentine: 180.000
    America: 15.000.000

    UK: 4.200.000
    France: 1.025.000
    Germany: 750.000
    Italy: 550.000
    Spain: 320.000
    Netherlands: 270.000
    Switzerland: 125.000
    Austria: 60.000
    Sweden: 150.000
    Finland: 95.000
    Poland: 275.000
    Belgium: 150.000
    Portugal: 40.000
    Finland: 100.000
    Europe: 9.020.000

    Australia: 850.000
    New Zealand: 115.000
    Oceania: 1.000.000

    Japan: 1.050.000
    Singapore: 180.000
    Asia: 3.000.000

    South Africa: 50.000
    Rest: 500.000
    28 million in total AT LEAST
    See ?

    Trish, I could do this with every Madonna album.
    And YOU can’t do this with a Mariah album.

    1. Why did IFPI claim 200 million album sales for Madonna?
    2. Why does Mediatraffic consider Madonna as the worlds greatest selling and most successful female artist?

    Trish, you are a Mariah fan. We know that.
    I like Tina Turner so much but I know that she is not the best selling female artist. Unfortunately.
    I also could claim 20 million for Private Dancer or I could also increase all Tina Turner albums, but I don’t. Because there are not enough certifications and she hasn’t got any awards, which prove Tina Turners sales.
    But you do this. And this is not correct.

    I think you are like a child who wants to be always right. We don’t know your real age. We can just suppose.
    But I would claim UNDER 20 !
    Sorry for saying that. But its my opinion, and I think the opinion of many other debaters here!

    Trish .. I assume that you just want to provoke us.
    According to my opinion I have never seen such an unteachable and unconvincing person and debater like you …

    Trish … we gave you so many proves and sources.
    we gave you certifications to show you who has sold more than who.
    But what do you do?
    You call IFPI, Mediatraffic etc,: biased !
    Trish? Are you sure that these sources are unreliable?
    ….
    Trish .. Why should IFPI lie about Madonnas album sales?
    Because they prefer Madonna to Mariah?

    you said 60 million singles sold worldwide for Madonna.
    We say: 100 million!
    Why don’t you look to shutup’s sales figures?

    Madonna has sold almost 10m singles in Germany.
    10m singles in France. 3m in Italy. 40m in USA.
    –63m in just 4 countries!!

    Trish ..
    your basic statements are: IFPI etc are biased and unreliable, Celine’s Diamond Award was irrelevant whereas Mariah’s was relevant.

    According to my opinion, I have never seen a link in the internet or an article in a magazine saying Guinness claimed 300 million albums for Madonna or 380m albums for Madonna.
    Never ..
    You say it, so give us your source please!
    I await it ..

    But I am a visionary and I suppose that you will say that:
    I proved that Mariah is the best selling female artist with detailed data and sources …
    I used the sources of Lucky Luke. ..

    Will you say it? Don’t do it please .. you’re a pain in my neck.

    We gave you so many reasons why Madonna outsold Mariah.
    You still claim 17m for Butterfly. Where do these sales come from?
    Please, Trish: Give us certifications!

    Ray of Light: 7x Platinum in Europe. 3x USA: Of course over 10m.
    And you come here and say 17m for Butterfly ?
    1x Platinum Europe, 5x USA and 1 million Japan.
    7 million.
    Trish? Can this be?

    You want to provoke, nothing else. You ignore our sources and our showing about sales and you do everything again:
    Claiming, claiming, claiming with NO proves.

    Sorry Trish, you’re a bad debater.
    Another bad debater would fight for the artist giving sources until he gives up. Because its a fact that Madonna is the best selling artist.
    Increasing Mariah Carey sales without any sources and decreasing Madonna and Celine sales is no use.
    Sorry Trish.

  6. LuckyLuke says:

    @ TRISH

    01.D’Eux sold 7m worldwide,when it is 8 times

    platinum in Europe,meaning it sold 8m in Europe alone.

    Plus 700k In Canada (7 Times Platinum)…

    02.A L’Olympia sold 0,5m worldwide,when it Platinum In

    Europe,meaning it sold over 1m copies there.

    03.Au Coeur Du Stade sold 0,4m while it is Double

    Platinum In France meaning it sold 600k !

    04.One Heart sold 4m , while 3,4m come from Us 2m / Eur

    1m/ Aus 70k / Canada 300k. That means it sold 700k in

    Africa , Asia and N.America.

    05.Unison sold 2m copies worldwide,because it sold 1m In

    Us and 700k In Canada.

    That means Unison sold 300k In Europe , Australia ,

    Africa , Asia and N.America !!!

    —–> G o n g r a t you l a t I o n s !

    This list is so RIGHT !!!

    . . . . . . . . .

    If I could only spit on your face :-)

  7. HCb2 says:

    Madonna global sales :
    1. The Immaculate Collection 35 million
    2. True Blue 25 million
    3. Like a Virgin 23 million
    4. Ray Of Light 20 million
    5. Like a Prayer 18 mill
    6. Music 15 million
    7. Confessions on a dance floor 14 million
    8. Madonna 10 million
    9. Something to remember 9 million
    10. Bedtime Stories 9 million
    11. I’m Breathless 9 million
    12. Evita 9 million
    13. Erotica 9 million
    14. GHV2 8 million
    15. You can dance 8 million
    16. Who’s that girl 7 million
    17. American Life 6 million
    18. Hard Candy 5 million
    19. Celebration 4 million
    20. The Confessions Tour 3 million
    21. I’m going to tell you a .. 2 million
    22. Sticky and Sweet Tour 1 million

    TOTAL: 250 million albums.

    Mariah Carey Albums Sales .
    01.MARIAH CAREY ->13 m Copies
    02.EMOTIONS -> 5 m Copies
    03.MTV UNPLUGGED -> 4m Copies
    04.MUSIC BOX -> 24m Copies
    05.MERRY CHRISTMAS -> 11 m Copies
    06.DAYDREAM -> 18 m Copies
    07.BUTTERFLY 11 m Copies
    08.NUMBER 1’S -> 14 m Copies
    09.RAINBOW -> 7m Copies
    10.GLITTER -> 1.5 m Copies
    11.GREATEST HITS -> 1.5 m Copies
    12.CHARMBRACELET -> 2 m Copies
    13.REMIXES -> 1m Copies
    14.THE EMANCIPATION OF MIMI -> 9 m Copies
    15.E=MC2 -> 2m Copies
    16.MEMOIRS -> 0.7 m Copies
    17..BALLADS 0,2 m Copies
    18-PLAYLIST-> 0,1m copies
    19-MERRY CHRISTMAS II YOU 0,5mCopies
    Total sales = 125 million.

    See bitch ? two can play dis game. I put whatever I like and don’t have t explain. Suck dat

  8. LuckyLuke says:

    @ HCb2

    Ha Ha Ha ! You made me laugh , really ! I Think this

    delusional lamb should be treated that way…Lmao !

    I will participate in this game. LOL

    I will make my own CELINE LIST right now !

    01.Unison 5m

    02.Dion Chante Plamondon 3m

    03.Celine Dion 7m

    04.The Colour Of My Love 21m

    05.A L’Olympia 3m

    06.D’Eux 12m

    07.Falling Into You 35m

    08.Live A Paris 5m

    09.Lets Talk About Love 37m

    10.S’il Suffisait D’Aimer 5m

    11.These Are Special Times 18m

    12.Au Coeur Du Stade 3m

    13.All The Way 30m

    14.The Collectors Series Volume 1 4m

    15.A New Day Has Come 17m

    16.One Heart 9m

    17.1 Fille Et 4 Types 3m

    18.A New Day 3m

    19.Miracle 6m

    20.On Ne Change Pas 3m

    21.D’Elles 2m

    22.Taking Chances 5m

    23.My Love 4m

    -> 240m Albums For Celine.

    So Celine sold more than Mariah – AS WE SEE !

    Noone can dispute it , try it if you want !

    All the distinctions Mariah got are irrelevant as I

    have proved so many times , so I am right and other lists

    are biased and falsified.

    MY list is not biased but RIGHT , because I say so

    and because it is based on detailed data and because

    everything proves it , as everybody knows..!

    Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha !!! xD

  9. Momo says:

    I think that Mariah sold more than Celine and Madonna since she’s the best selling artist overall of 1990’s,the very most successful decade with sales over 100 million albums.Whereas Britney is the best selling female artist in 2000’s with sales below 100 million albums sold in 2000 decade.How Celine and Madonna could ever sold more than Mariah ? It’s not logical ! It’s simply impossible.Mariah outsold Celine !

  10. MOFF says:

    Momo (Trish): prove it, if you think it.

  11. LuckyLuke says:

    @ Momo (TRASH)

    My 1st comment on Madonna is that you obviously forget

    that Madonna’s most successful decade is the 80s.

    You didn’t mention 80s in your theory!! I guess you

    are feeling stupid now that I tell you this. :-)

    Try again bitch.

    Madonna’s and Celine’s album sales of 190-200m and

    180-185m are pretty much calculated. Same goes for

    Mariah’s 160-165m Albums. All 3 ladies have recieved

    awards for their sales. Mariah owns the oldest awards.

    As I Know from Law School,old laws are replaced by

    recent ones ! Same goes for Awards. And Madonna/Celine

    recieved much more recent awards than Mariah for their

    sales.IF you want to persuade us that

    Mariah sold 200m , 100m bring facts and certifications

    from each market and country IF YOU DARE , IF YOU CAN

    and stop basing your thoughts on theories you create.

    What you do only proves you suffer from IQ Defiency.

    Now take a seat dear troll :-)

  12. LuckyLuke says:

    @ Momo (TRASH)

    My 1st comment on Madonna is that you obviously forget

    that Madonna’s most successful decade is the 80s.

    You didn’t mention 80s in your theory!! I guess you

    are feeling stupid now that I tell you this. :-)

    Try again bitch.

    Madonna’s and Celine’s album sales of 190-200m and

    180-185m are pretty much calculated. Same goes for

    Mariah’s 160-165m Albums. All 3 ladies have recieved

    awards for their sales. Mariah owns the oldest awards.

    As I Know from Law School,old laws are replaced by

    recent ones ! Same goes for Awards. And Madonna/Celine

    recieved much more recent awards than Mariah for their

    sales.IF you want to persuade us that

    Mariah sold 200m , 100m bring facts and certifications

    from each market and country IF YOU DARE , IF YOU CAN

    and stop basing your thoughts on theories you create.

    What you do only proves you suffer from IQ Deficiency.

    Now take a seat dear troll :-)

  13. LuckyLuke says:

    We don’t have to take down your statement ”Mariah sold

    200m and 100m singles.”

    World Music Awards (150m By 2003),

    Columbia Records (130m by 2000) /

    Island Def Jam (Over 200m records by 2010)

    have already put you in total SHAME for claiming that.

    Moreover,it is obvious you have never signed in her

    Official Site to see how her real fans base her real

    sales on certifications.On top of that,there are not

    enough certifications to prove the myth of 200m albums.

    About awards ? nothing shocking. Madonna and Celine

    have more,and recent and much more local awards.

    Finally , there is no internet page (exept for this

    popdirt debate) where it is stated OFFICIALLY

    that Mariah sold more than Madonna and Celine.

    Sorry…but you have to try again :-)

    Trying desperately to take down our arguments

    (Guiness Book Of Records / IFPI / Mediatraffic / Media

    / WMA etc etc) won’t help you prove anything on Mariah’s

    FAKE 300m record sales.

    Try harder next time without CONTRADICTING with

    Labels , Awards , Sites , Internet and most important

    of all …. Certifications and Music Institutions ;-)

    # Flushed #

  14. TRISH says:

    @ Lucky Luke : Hahahaha! Funny the way you try to ridicule my writing style ! My English is limited only because tis is not my native language .That’s why I usually take phrases or words from other posters,mostly from lambs.What a petty coward ! Hahahaha! At least ,I manage to write on a non-native language and express my ideas.However ,about you,I guess that you couldn’t express yourself even through a single French or Danish language phrase ! So,I am better anyway ! hahaha!

    @ Lucky Luke :about spitting on my face,just keep your spit as lubricant,so that you ‘ll can use it ,when you’ll have to do the things you usually do with Moff and Shut Up.
    @ Lucky Luke :Beauty and The Beast sold 1 million the most worldwide ,When you Believe sold over 5 million.
    Lover Boy was the best selling single of 2001.
    Hahahaha ! Mariah’s hits you mentioned are huge and sold much more than the so-called hits ( sous le vent,I’m alive,etc…)you cited !
    TRISH
    @Lucky Luke: TEOM outsold A New Day… by 3 million sales the less! Celine’s total albums is about 162 – 163 million since 1981,not more ! Inform yourself sweety !

  15. MOFF says:

    Trish!
    INFORM YOURSELF!
    WE WANT PROVES.

  16. LuckyLuke says:

    @ TRISH

    1.Beauty And The Beast sold 1m worldwide.So did ”Don’t

    Forget About Us”. Both reached Gold In Us and were

    moderately successful worldwide.

    2.I can speak in 4 Languages and I express myself

    very well in English.

    3.When You Believe sold around 2m copies worldwide.

    Coming From Us (500k Gold) and major success through

    Europe. 5m is another lie added to the previous. :-)

    4.Loverboy the best selling sinle of 2001 ? It reached

    gold in Australia (35k) and Us (500k) and was not

    certified in any other market. So no, it was not

    the best selling single of 2001 worldwide. Keep

    Dreaming.The other Mariah songs sold as much as the

    Celine songs I cited. :-)

    5.I am done fighting over TEOM and ANHC. Even if it sold

    3m more (which is a HUGE lie) doesn’t change anything.

    Still Celine is ahead. Besides, the person that supported

    Unison sold 2m and Dion Chante Plamondon sold 2.7m

    worldwide is not in position to talk about sales at all.

    Lmao..!

    6.Stop fantasising people having ”sex games” ! Leave

    your PC,Stop eating KFC and go out to get a real

    life and have some sex !! This will prevent you from

    looking like a total pervert,writing about sex and

    masturbation and gay people and sexy tricks behind your

    PC !! :-P

    7.World Music Awards (150m By 2003),

    Columbia Records (130m by 2000) /

    Island Def Jam (Over 200m records by 2010)

    have already put you in total SHAME for claiming that

    Mariah sold 300m records.

    Moreover,it is obvious you have never signed in her

    Official Site to see how her real fans base her real

    sales on certifications.On top of that,there are not

    enough certifications to prove the myth of 200m albums.

    About awards ? nothing shocking. Madonna and Celine

    have more,and recent and much more local awards.

    Finally , there is no internet page (exept for this

    popdirt debate) where it is stated OFFICIALLY

    that Mariah sold more than Madonna and Celine.

    Sorry…but you have to try again :-)

    Trying desperately to take down our arguments

    (Guiness Book Of Records / IFPI / Mediatraffic / Media

    / WMA etc etc) won’t help you prove anything on Mariah’s

    FAKE 300m record sales.

    Try harder next time without CONTRADICTING with

    Labels , Awards , Sites , Internet and most important

    of all …. Certifications and Music Institutions ;-)

    # Flushed # <3

  17. LuckyLuke says:

    A NEW DAY HAS COME VS TEOM SUCCESS BATTLTE

    TEOM – ANDHC

    Us -> 6m – 3m

    Canada -> 300k – 600k

    Europe -> 1m – 3m

    Australia -> 70k – 150k

    Japan -> 200k – 150k

    —> 7.6m For TEOM and 6.9m For ANDHC

    A New Day Has Come sold more In Africa and N.America

    and rest of Asia,as it reached number 1.

    Actually it debuted at Number 1 in over 20 counties.(Not

    just European Markets).Moreover in 2002 albums

    were not downloaded.So there are two choices ->

    these albums sold the same amount OR ANDHC outsold TEOM

    for 1m copies. The theory of TEOM being ahead is a

    LIE coming from the IGNORANT that stated that TEOM

    SOLD OVER 1 MILLION COPIES IN JAPAN ALONE !!

    LIAR ! IGNORANT ! Time to come up with new lies

    and theories !!

    PS. -> According to Nielsen Soundscan ”A New Day Has

    Come” has sold ACCURATELY 3.3m in Us and based on IFPI

    ”A New Day Has Come” sold 3.5m in Europe.

    TEOM according to Billboard has sold 5.8m In Us.

    Inform yourself and come back.

  18. TRISH says:

    @ Moff: I need proves for Madonna sold more than 165 million albums worldwide and proves for Celine sold more than 160 million albums worldwide !

    @Lucky Luke: Hahahaha! really Funny ! I can speak 10 languages and I express myself very very well in French and Danish ! Moreover,this is banal to say that you express yourself very well in English since it’s your native language ! Stupid !
    When You Believe sold 5 million copies worldwide !
    Loverboy is the best selling single of 2001 ,inform yourself dear creep hater !
    I repeat TEOM outsold A New Day,by 3 million sales the less ! TEOM is a very popular and acclaimed album of 2000 decade.Its listed one of the best albums of 2000 decade and also one of the most successful album of 2000 decade ,unlike A New Day Has Come. TEOM outsold A New Day EVERYWHERE worldwide,except in Europe and Canada ! TEOM got many Hits someparts worldwide,unlike A New Day,etc…! About IFPI ,and other partial source you mentioned,it would be not astonishing that they would say A New Day sold 10 million in Europe alone and TEOM just 10 units for the whole Europe ! Hahahaha! How do you could think A New Day could ever sold as much or better than TEOM ? Do A New Day Has Come got a number 1 Hit at Worldwide Chart ? At Billboard ? Eurochart ? How many popular songs got this album? How many number 1 Hits got this albums ? In which countries? Did A New Day won an World Music Award for its sales in 2002 or in 2003 ? Did this album win Grammy ? Do you think this album sold better than TEOM just because this is a Celine album ?
    You’re so stupid to talk about Adult Comtemporary Chart for Celine because she doesn’t got Hits on the major Charts, the Hot 100 Singles ! The Adult Cotemporary and other small charts are significant for flopped singles by artists who can’t climb the Hot 100 Singles Chart ! Mariah’s songs which topped just the AC Chart are all considered as flops because Mariah singles usually tops the Hot 100 singles Charts ! Celine’s number 1 singles on AC Chart are considered as success because her songs can’t climb the Hot 100 Single Charts ! The major and the significant Chart ! You say it yourself when you say that Celine topped in AC Chart since age 14,whereas she got her first number 1 Hit at the Hot 100 Canadian Singles at age 22 ! See ? There is a huge difference between AC Chart,…other little Charts with the Hot 100 Singles Chart !
    about Celine having no hit since 1998 ,yes,Celine haven’t a hit in a MAJOR CHART since 1998 ! Billboard is a major Chart ( the greatest ),then Eurochart and Worldwide chart . The hits Mariah got in Billboard are much more huger than the rare ones Celine got in 1 or 2 European countries,cause only whole Europe Chart is the equivalent of Billboard Chart (even though Billboard is much more huge ).So ,the hits you cited for Celine ( Sous le vent,etc…) are small/local hits,whereas Mariah’s are huge hits !

  19. TRISH says:

    Hahahaha! The whole thing you wrote about sex ( being a sexual pervert ) is surely about your mother and about Madonna ? Since your mother and Madonna are both the queens of perversions and sexual depravations !Anyway, I am not a bitch unlike them,so I won’t “ go and have some sex “ as you tell me to do. It’s not by my fault if you are not a straight boy that can’t have a normal sex life Ok ? It’s from your business ,don’t be frustrated against me !
    You call me Troll ? You surely mean Celine Dion,cause she’s the only one troll among the artists we talk about here.Unlike her I am not ugly,nor wrinkled nor creep ! Also my voice and my tongue are straight and not damaged .Don’t think that I am an animal ,you make a mistake dear ass*ole cause unlike you who is a spoil and creep animal,I am a girl ! Moreover,my mom is not a pig unlike yours ! and I am not a creep dog unlike you. See ?
    Besides,unlike you who are always behind your PC,everyday and everytime,I got a life out of these blogs ,OK ? That’s why my answers are often not up to date !
    Mimi sold over 300 million records worldwide ! Of course,I don’t signed in her Official Site since long ago because of haters like you who are disguished in “real fans” and decrease Mariah’s certifications and sales even in her own Official Site ! That’s why you always said that you are a lamb although everyone notice in these debates how much you hate Mariah.It’s seems like you even hate Mariah more than Moff and Shutup ! Dear,You can say anything you want,but everything proves that Mimi outsold Madonna and Celine by huge difference !
    You’re right,there is no internet page talking about Madonna Vs Celine as best selling female artist.But Madonna Vs The Voice ( Mariah Carey ).Celine is behind these 2 best selling female artists.On what do you base your arguments trying to demand Celine as one of the two best female seller artists? On her tours ? Hahahaha! As I already show, tours is the only,ONLY achievement Celine got as impressive relatively to other huge female artists ! That’s why you always talk about her tours and her concert Tickets !But about nothing else ! Contribution and mark on music ? Songwriting and producing skills ? Influence on international artist ? How Celine could ever sold as much as another artist who combine all those assets ? Because she amuse people on stage ? Hahahaha! It’s not enough very dear ! Celine is faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar behind The Voice on sales ! It’s not by nothing that Mimi has the greatest voice ever and is the greatest singer of all times !

    PS to every subjective europeans : Mariah Carey will be praised for her music on the future by you cause she will be as thin as Susan Boyle , as beautiful as Celine Dion and as classy as Madonna also as much a respectable lady as Madonna. Then she will collect all the assets these 3 female artists have ,and that she don’t have currently !
    Your petty thoughts can’t change the fact that the VOICE is the best selling female artist of all times and the most talentuous artist ever !

  20. MOFF says:

    Guinness claimed 200 million albums and IFPI also.
    Trish, this is the prove for Madonnas 200 million album sales.
    Do you have a prove for Mariah’s sales? No.
    Also the list of shutup and right (figures are accurate and not increased or decreased) show Madonnas 200 million album sales.
    Trish, you are like a child. Again – no proves.
    No proves !!!
    Why can’t you understand it ?
    We need proves !!!
    We gave you enough proves, Trish!!
    But you haven’t given us any proves yet!!!!!!!

    Trish!!! Open your eyes !!!

    NO PROVES.

  21. LuckyLuke says:

    @ TRISH

    01.Thanx for thinking English is my native language,but

    I am from Greece ! :-) I take it as another compliment

    the fact that you thought my English are so well..!

    02.You came back to repeat the same lies with no proof ?

    Loverboy is only Gold in Us and Australia.Nothing more.

    When You believe sold over 500k in Us and over 1m

    in Europe. I told you that the burden of proving

    what you mention falls on your side. A New

    Day Has Come is 2 Platinum In Australia while

    TEOM is just Platinum,so inform yourself

    for saying ANDHC outsold TEOM only in Europe

    and Canada. & you forget Africa and N.America ;-)

    The single ”A New Day Has Come” reached number

    1 at the United World Chart so I guess

    this answers the crap you posted.

    03.So now, Nielsen Soundscan is biased too ?

    Ha ha ha ha ha ha !!!

    Aren’t you bored of claiming that

    IFPI / BILLBOARD / WORLD MUSIC AWARDS / LABELS / SITES

    / RIAA / NIELSEN SOUNDSCAN / MEDIATRAFFIC / GUINESS

    BOOK OF RECORDS / WIKIPEDIA / MEDIA / EUROPEANS

    are ALL biased ? ? ?

    You obviously think there is a conspiracy against

    Mariah and this is only laughable.

    04.I mention AC Charts because these charts are the

    main target for Celine’s songs,since Celine

    did NOTHING to be mainstream. So move on.

    OF COURSE the Hot 100 charts are much more

    important. I never said the opposite

    so you fight alone on this :-)

    Did I ever denied Mariah’s success in Us ? NO

    So keep fighting alone when nobody claims the opposite.

    05.HOW DO DARE SAYING BILLBOARD IS MORE IMPORTANT

    THAn WORLDWIDE CHARTS ? ? ?

    ARE YOU S T U P I D ? C R A Z Y ? R E T A R D E D ?

    HOW COME US CHARTS SUPRASS WORLDWIDE CHARTS IN SALES

    IMPORTANCE ? ? ?

    That’s The Way It Is reached number 1 at the United World

    Chart in 2000 and stayed in the top for 8 weeks !

    So yes, ”That’s The Way It Is” is a global

    radio smash hit,like it or not !

    06.The whole thing I wrote about being a sexual pervert

    is about YOU ! You keep talking about sex , masturbation

    , tricks since JULY ! Got that ? J U L Y !

    Yes ! Summer of 2010 you entered this debate and you

    keep posting the same old crap about

    people you don’t know. Got that ?

    I Wrote summer of 2010 ! S U M M E R Of 2010 !

    THE FUNNY THING IS THAT You pretend to have a life while

    you have spent hours of the past 9 months in this blog

    attacking and judging people & using different

    nicknames to show the BULLSH** you post have actually

    supporters ! You are so P A T H E T I C.

    Now you can laugh at your misery —> Ha Ha Ha !

    It is not my problem if nobody dreams of touching you..!

    Go pay some money to any desperate old drunk man

    you find in the streets and he’ll probably (I write

    P r o b a b l y) try to satisfy your needs !!

    Don’t forget to listen to Mariah’s songs

    talking about drugs (It’s Like That) while

    you are giving the old man ”Viagra”

    and these ones that talk about ORAL SEX (One And Only)

    while you are giving him a blow job !!

    DO IT THE MARIAH WAY,HONEY ;-)

  22. MOFF says:

    At debaters who still think Mariah Carey has sold more records than Madonna.

    1. Who has sold more albums?

    It’s Madonna. She has sold around 200 million albums since 1983. It’s proved by IFPI and Guinness World Records. Billboard and Mediatraffic claim Madonna as the highest selling female artist of the world.
    – ifpi.org/content/section_news/plat_month_20060913.html
    – allaboutmadonna.com/2010/07/madonna-top-selling-female-recording-artist-in-guinness-world-records-2011.php
    – mediatraffic.de/top-album-achievements.htm

    2. Who has sold more singles?

    Madonna. She has sold around 100 million singles. Calculate all certifications from countries and you’ll get of course over 100 million singles.
    Also according to other sources in the Internet Madonna has sold 100 million singles.
    There is no doubt that Madonna is the best selling single artist in history. Although Madonna has no over 10 million selling single like I Will Always Love You or My Heart Will Go On, she surpasses all other female singers by far in total single sales.
    Claiming that “All I want for Christmas Is you” sold 12 million copies or “When You believe” sold 5 million is a huge lie which you can’t prove. If you have sources, then post them. Only looking at Mediatraffic’s lists you see how big Madonnas success has been.

    3. Charts

    Madonna is the Queen of worldwide Charts. Mediatraffic ranked Madonna as the 3. biggest single artist only behind the Beatles and Elvis. Her total Number one hits in UK; Germany, Australia, France, Italy, Mexico, USA and Canada surpass other female singers by far. Mariah’s 18#s in the U.S can’t compete with the worldwide success of Madonna.

    Calling Mediatraffic, Billboard, IFPI, RIAA biased is just a way to manipulate people who want to know who’s really the best selling female artist. Trish is someone who doesn’t give up. Its just silly what she (he) does. We gave her (him) so many proves and sources and she just posts things nobody believes.
    Ignore Trish! She wants to provoke and doesn’t really help us.
    I assume that Trish is Meredith. Her writing style is similar.
    No doubt, Madonna is the most selling female singer of the world.

  23. LuckyLuke says:

    @ MOFF

    I am going to ignore this bitch in the near future.

    I will only post facts about Madonna and Celine (at the

    other debate),cause I am really bored by this troll.

    She even said Mariah’s Official sites are wrong and

    biased. -.-

    According to her FPI / BILLBOARD / WORLD MUSIC AWARDS /

    LABELS / SITES/ RIAA / NIELSEN SOUNDSCAN / MEDIATRAFFIC

    / GUINNESS BOOK OF RECORDS / WIKIPEDIA / MEDIA / EUROPEANS

    are all partial against Mariah.

    She forgets the FACT that Mariah is the MOST promoted

    and LAZY artist of all times.

    01.She Married Sony BMB Excegutive and

    scored 11 Number 1s at Billboard within 5 years,

    without even touring.

    The rest 16 years of her career she managed to get only

    7… —> 11 N.Ones in 5 years / 7 N.Ones

    in 16 years without Tommy.

    2.She always gets huge airplay in Us. At least till

    late 90s..!

    3.She ONLY owns HIGH budget albums , promoted with

    at least 5 singles each & video clips.

    4.Her debut album is the most promoted and produced

    debut album in the history of music. Lmao !

    Mariah is everything but A VICTIM ! She had an EASY

    career. SHE WAS ONLY FORCED TO DO SOME DECENT TOURING

    AFTER SHE FLOPPED BACK IN 2002 —> THIS IS WHAT YOU

    DO WHEN YOU LOSE YOUR FAN BASE AND MONEY :-D

    THIS IS WHAT SHE PLANS TO DO IN 2012 AFTER HER

    COMMERCIAL DISASTERS..!

    Trying to prove that all these institutions etc lie

    against her is nothing but an epic fail.

    Mariah had an easy career and everyone supports her.

    Nobody buys the crap posted here.

    PS. FUNNY how Madonna is called a ”slut” , but MC is

    the one that uses her plastic boobs to have people watch

    her videos. I don’t have a problem with this…but

    A MC fan calling other artists ”slut” ? Please !

    Besides,Mariah is the one that even married a man

    to boost her career…Mariah is the one that shows

    her ass and boobs out in every 00s video…Mariah

    is the one that creates songs about ex-lovers and

    rappers..! (Clown,Obsessed) ! Mariah was the one

    than took her clothes off in a Tv Show. Mariah is the

    one that talks in interviews half-naked siting on

    her couch. :-P

    And let me be clear –> All These DON’T make Mariah

    a slut ! BUT all these result to the fact that a MC fan

    CAN’T accuse other people of being ”whores” etc.

  24. TRISH says:

    @Moff: Guinness also claimed 300 million albums for Madonna in 2003 and IFPI also claimed 200 million albums for Nana Mouskouri.
    Moff, this is the prove that both lies for Madonna’s sales. Read the first part of this blog and you’ll see how many times Madonna’s fans claimed it,including YOU ! Then you could ask where they got this info when they said that formerly, and also ask this question to yourself as you too,claimed it formerly ! I am sure that you’ll do the same and you’ll refute Guinness current 200 million Madonna sales when Guinness will rectify it to 150 million in 2020,like you do it now for Guinness 300 million sales claim in 2003 !! Hahaha ! Yes ,I have proves for Mariah’s sales. Just read lambs lists and mines (figures are accurate and not increased or decreased) show Mariah’s 190-200 million album sales.
    Moff, you are like a pride old man / woman.
    I want proves Moff !
    We need proves !
    Moff !!! Open your eyes !!!
    NO PROVES.

    @ Lucky Luke
    I couldn’t compliment someone for he’s English since I don’t master this language myself ,English is not my native language.You could only impress me in French and Danish languages,which got no secrets for me !
    You think lies with “proof” are better than “lies” without “proof”?That’s why you brought an impressive amount of links in debates ? Hahaha! Unlike you I brought truth here,not lies.I don’t need to give biased links for feign that my arguments are true unlike you !

    Loverboy is huge in Asia,it sold much more there than any Celine’s soundtrack song ! see ? Loverboy is the best selling single of 2001 !
    When You believe sold 5 million worldwide ! It sold much more in the countries you mentioned here,without even include its Japan and whole Asian sales !
    .A NEW DAY HAS COME VS THE EMANCIPATION OF MIMI
    ANDHC outsold TEOM only in Europe
    and Canada. & you forget N.America mean US and Canada !
    YOU LIE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! TEOM outsold ANDHC in Australia TEOM also outsold ANDHC in whole Oceania continent ! ( New Zealand, Vanuatu,Fidji,etc..). TEOM outsold ANDHC in Japan and the rest of Asia,South America and West Indies !
    YOU LIE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The single ”A New Day Has Come” NEVER reached number 1 at the United World Chart !!!!!!!!!! TEOM reached number 1 at the United World Chart unlike A New Day ! LIAR !
    Aren’t you bored of claiming that
    GUINNESS WORLD RECORDS/ ROLLING STONES/ BLENDER/ MTV COUNTDOWN/ TV SHOWS/ VOCAL EXPERTS/ MUSIC FANS AROUND THE WORLD/ Etc… etc…
    are ALL wrong saying Mimi has the greatest voice of all times ? ? ?
    You obviously think there is a conspiracy against
    Celine’s voice and this is only laughable.
    Celine’s success on AC Charts are not impressive at all when you face Celine with a huge Hit artist as Mariah Carey ! No one denied Celine’s success on Quebec AC Chart since age 14.So,it’s useless to talk about it !
    About Hits,Lambs got nothing to envy from Celine’s rare Hits ! That’s The Way It Is is a moderate Hit beside Mariah’s.
    The whole answer I wrote about depraved,pervert and degenerated bitches
    is about YOU, YOUR mother and Madonna !
    Just assume yourself and don’t be frustrated against me and insult me just because I am not a boy !
    THE FUNNY THING IS THAT You pretend to have a life while
    you have spent entire days of the past 7 months in this blog
    behind your PC, EVERYDAY ,accusing those who refuse to fall into your trap to be “ Trish” under other nicknames.Whereas you’re the champion of posting lies under different nicknames ! You use different
    nicknames to show the BULLSH** LINKS AND SOURCES you post have actually
    supporters ! You are so HILARIOUS, SILLY AND P A T H E T I C.

    It is not my problem if any man dreams of f***ing you..! Just make your coming out in your background ! Moff and Shut Up are not enough to satisfy you ? A Gang Bang just for you !But,you must implore them and give them a juicy blowjob.If you are really Lucky ! Maybe,they would accept to f*ck you after that !

    You said: “Go pay some money to any desperate old drunk man
    you find in the streets and he’ll probably (I write
    P r o b a b l y) try to satisfy your needs !!” Hahaha! You’d better give this advice to your idol Celine Dion.No,I won’t do the same thing Celine Dion did when she met Rene ! Cause unlike Celine,I am gorgeous and beautiful ( everyone tell me so ).You just make a mistake dear ass*ole ! Unlike Celine,I don’t have the need to be in love with my god-father for knowing what love is ! About men,I am spoilt for choice ! About Viagra ,it can’t even help Rene to satisfy Celine ! Did Celine have a sex life ? Poor Celine,she surely has a boring life out of her several trophies and awards ! At 43,she still ignore what is called love and orgasm. She didn’t even make it at her first day of honeymoon ! Hahahaha! If she was like Madonna,she wouldn’t suffer so much and she would pay many young and strong men to satisfy her. Real boys are so tasteful !! So many money for nothing.Sometimes,people say that money can’t buy everything ! It’s Too bad for Celine !

    At debaters who still think Madonna has sold more records than Mariah Carey.
    1. Who has sold more albums?
    It’s Mariah. She has sold around 200 million albums since 1990. It’s proved by her global sales worldwide ! All the links and sources saying Madonna or Celine are partial and biased !
    2. Who has sold more singles?
    Mariah. She has sold around 100 million singles. Calculate all certifications from countries and you’ll get of course over 100 million singles.
    Also according to RIAA, and other sources in the Internet Mariah has sold 100 million singles.
    There is no doubt that Mariah is the best selling single artist in history.Besides,Mariah has over 12 million selling single like “All I want for Christmas Is you “ that is with “ I Will Always Love You “ both ,best selling female singles in history ! Mariah surpasses all other female singers by far in total single sales.
    Claiming that “My Heart Will Go On,” sold 10 million copies or “ Hung Up” sold over 4 million is a huge lie which you can’t prove. If you have sources, then post them. Only looking at mediatraffic’s biased lists you see how much they lie about Madonna’s sales success .
    3. Charts
    Mariah is the Queen of Billboard Charts. Mariah is ranked 1rst biggest hit artist ahead Elvis Presley ! Her total Number one hits in US (the largest worldwide music market by far ) surpass any other female singers by far. Madonna’s 15 #1 s in the Eurochart ,and her 18 # 1 in Worldwide Chart are just relevant to radio airplay,but irrelevant to singles sales,unlike Mariah’s ! Madonna can’t compete with the success of Mariah on sales !
    Calling mediatraffic, Forbes,Guinness World Records, IFPI, Wikipedia reliable and right is just a way to manipulate people who want to know who’s really the best selling female artist. Moff (Lucky Luke) is someone who doesn’t give up. Its just silly what she (he) does. We gave her (him) so many proves and sources and he just posts things nobody believes.
    Ignore Moff(Lucky Luke)! He wants to provoke and doesn’t really help us.
    I assume that Moff is Alexis and Lucky Luke. His writing style is similar.
    No doubt, Mariah Carey is the most selling female singer of the world.

  25. LuckyLuke says:

    You brought lies here with no proof. Stop playing

    with words.

    Again you lie on Loverboy and When You Believe.

    You fool,TEOM is platinum in Australia (70k)

    and ANDHC is double platinum there (140k) !

    Shut the fu** up !

    A New Day Has Come reached number 1 at UWC

    and stayed there for 1 week.

    Blender etc are magazines TRISH ! Lmao !

    You try to respond to the fact that you

    said partial Billboard / Nielsen Soundscan /

    Wikipedia / RIAA / IFPI / Sites / Labels /

    Mediatraffic / United World Chart / Awards / Media

    by saying I didn’t trust some magazines lists ?

    You still don’t answer YOU COWARD !!

    There is no conspirasy against Celine !

    There never was ! All I am saying is that these

    lists are fan made and come from Us ! END OF STORY !

    If MC has more supporters GOOD FOR HER ! I don’t

    blame magazines LIKE YOU DO WITH MUSICAL INSTITUTIONS

    YOU I g n o r a n t , obsessed liar !

    You are the only laughable stupid thing here.

    Celine has 5 of her songs to reach number 1

    at United World Chart ! Don’t you feel stupid

    for claiming that Billboard is more important ?

    LOL ! Mariah doesn’t have even ONE song

    to reach number 1 at United World Chart for

    8 WEEKS like That’s The Way It Is did !

    You fool ! 7 MONTHS ? LOL ! I Am here since

    November (I Think) and I NEVER Started insulting

    someone ! YOU FIRST ATTACKED ME ! And after I

    posted a few posts here YOU ATTACKED AGAIN !

    You are p a t h e t I c ! And I don’t even

    consider you a girl, I have all repsect for girls.

    You seem like an ugly stupid alien

    that is here to lie and nothing more !!

    You came here under different nicknames to post your

    crap and I entered here with 4-5 nicknames

    to show you what a bastard you are ! you have a nasty

    mean attitude ! I am sure you can’t even get along

    with other lambs because 80% of them TALK BASED

    ON REAL CERTIFICATIONS !

    You DARE to say you post the truth ! ha ha ha !!

    too bad NOBODY AGREES YOU …only yourself !!

    Media / institutions / labels / sites PUT

    YOU IN TOTAL SHAME FOR SAYING Mariah sold

    300m records. Moreover , even your previous posts

    put you in total shame when you said that Mariah’s

    and Celine’s sales are NECK BY NECK ! And now you

    desperately tried to change this in order to ”prove”

    that Mariah easily suprasses Madonna ! ha ha ha

    And now you say for yourself ”I am gorgeous and

    beautiful” ! lmao !

    You accuse Celine for being in a MARRIAGE with someone

    older. You forget that Celine is MARRIED the past

    17 years , you idiot !

    Mariah’s marriage lasted 3 years and then she jumped

    from one relationship to another , writing songs

    about her affairs..! Don’t forget 20 years seperate

    Mariah from the person that boosted her career..! :-)

    Mariah suffered a NERVOUS PUBLIC BREAKDOWN because

    she was not satisfied ! Celine made LIFE CHOICES

    AND STILL SUPPORTS THEM … ALL THE WAY !!!

    ————————————

    Nothing proves Mariah’s 200m album sales !

    N O T H I N G ! You say ”it is proved by her

    global sales” !! hahahahaha

    so now…global sales prove the 200m sales ?

    global sales prove the global sales ?

    Hahahahahahahahahah !!

    you are such an ignorant troll ..!

    Mariah suprasses MY ASS in total sales..!

    —-> BITCH !

    We attack you directly and the only thing you do

    is copy pasting our answers to turn them against us !

    You are so fu**ing done !

    Before you came back here, I was talking with MOFF

    and we didn’t fight with lambs…so you suggest

    that I was writing to MYSELF while there was no

    fight at all ? LOL !

    NOBODY Said Wikipedia is reliable ! I said it is not !

    don’t you remember ? of course you do ! so shut up..!

    . . . . .

    The best selling singles is I will always love you

    followed by My Heart Will Go On…OFFICIALLY !!

    Still you prove SH** ! You only want to provoke.

    Now go and looooooose your virginity in order to calm

    down !

    PATHETIC TRASH !

  26. MOFF says:

    I really respect your courage, Lucky Luke. After so many posts which Trish turned around I think:

    Trish is the administrator of the debate. Because with our proofs and sources with gave here, (some) Mariah fans and people who thought Mariah was the best selling artist, finally recognized that Madonna is the best selling female artist, followed by Celine.

    Actually, this debate is over long ago because there are no other debaters who claim the opposite (Mariah is ahead of Madonna).
    Its just a fact that Madonna is the best selling female artist because its proved so many times.

    Yes trish, even I posted that Guinness claimed 380 m records sold by Madonna but I was unknowing and I really assumed Guinness claimed that. But now I know that there is no proof for this.
    And now you come here and say Guinness claimed it but Trish, do you have any sources ?
    I think no.
    I was the one who tried “disclose the secret” (saying 200m albums and 180m singles) but I know it was very arguable.

    Trish you have no proofs. You said to ME I have no proofs ???????
    ????

    OK these are my proofs trish:

    True Blue outsold Music Box. Its proved by her global sales!!!
    And .. even hard Candy outsold The Emancipation of Mimi. Because its proved by the global sales !!

    I know Butterfly outsold Celebration, but I’m Breathless outsold Butterfly by far !!!!

    Evita was one of the best selling albums of 1997 with sales of over 15 million copies worldwide.
    And its proved by many lists in the Internet !!
    These are my proofs, Trish.

    Just continue this debate this way, Trish. We ignore you and you will see how people recognize Madonna as the worlds best selling female artist !
    YOU SUCK

  27. tane says:

    mariah is just better!

    madonna can’t sing she just shouts words like she’s barbarined!

    mariah can make people cry when she sings, her songs are breathtaking as where Madonnas songs has never influenced someone!!!

    and you say Mariah Carey is a flop please where did you hear that? the Madonna fan station? yep I guees so!!

    and if Mariah is such a flop then why has she sold 200 million albums worldwide where most albums were sold overseas than in the USA??

    album sales in US: 64 million
    worldwide countries: 144 million!!!

    and Mariah has more certifies than Madonna over 100

  28. LuckyLuke says:

    @ tane (Lmao)

    What are you doing here ? You decided to spread your crap

    here as well ?

    Mariah NEVER sold 200m albums. 144m outside Us ? LMAO

    Exactly where ? ? ?

    Madonna sold 65m In Us , 70m In Europe , 5m Oceania ,

    9m Canada —> Almost 150m without counting the rest

    of Asia (2nd best seller behind MC) , N.America and

    Africa.

    Madonna has 18 number 1s at United WORLD Chart , Mariah

    has 18 Number 1s in Us ! Do you get this DIFFERENCE

    or you want me to ellaborate further on it so you

    finally open your mind ? ? ? ? ?

    —————————->

    Listen bitch…here we talk with CERTIFICATIONS

    (at least) ! When you decide to talk with real facts

    let us know !!

    Till then shut up and have a seat..!

    PS -> You and TRASH can spread your lies on Mariah

    forums like TEAMLAMB that was shut down TWICE for

    spreading LIES ! Feeling pathetic now,right ?

    Try again …!

  29. MOFF says:

    Tane, Mariah has sold 170 million albums, Madonna has sold 200 million albums.
    DEF Jam announced RECORD SALES of 200 million for MC
    And Guinness only ALBUM sakes of over 200 million for Madonna.
    Take that!

  30. shutup says:

    @ tane

    mariah is flop nowadays. her last three albums were huge commercial flop all around the globe. worldwide countries 144 million hahahaha. yeah right. USA 64 + Europe 26 + Australia 2 + Canada 5 + asia 30 = 127 million. Mariah has sold about 170 million albums max.

    madonna USA 64 + Europe 75 and that’s is already 139 million.

  31. TRISH says:

    @Lucky Luke: You continue to insult me ? You refuse to accept the truth ! Even the fact that Mariah got a better voice than Celine is insupportable by you.However,you are angry just because nobody believe your lies !
    Mariah Carey blow Madonna and Celine in EVERYTHING NOT ONLY IN RECORDS SALES !
    There is only three female albums which surpass Music Box on sales !
    The Bodyguard
    Come On Over
    Jagged Little Pill
    All I Want For Christmas Is You sold over 12 million worldwide haters like it or hate it !
    Moff,I prove that these institutions lie and are biased this is the most important !
    Madonna is called a ‘’slut” ,not just because she uses her plastic on videos or on stage, but because she dated and slept with many men (Howard Stern Dennis Rodman, , Robert Redfort, Warren Beatty,Sean Penn to mention a few among the famous ones,and not mention the endless ‘ anonymous ones).She even show her body entirely naked in many occasions.That’s much more than just dressing sexy !Besides,most of female artists dress sexy,not just Mariah ! But Madonna usually made many particular huge sexual scandals all along her career,unlike Mariah. At the 1990’s Madonna always assume that she’s the queen of sexual scandals and eccentricities. This is ignorant to compare Mariah to Madonna on this !
    People just love Mariah’s boobs (particularly men) more than Celine’s plastic nose and chin that have nothing amazing ! Moreover,you should know that Madonna is the queen of plastic implants and surgeries ! And Mariah’s boobs are natural ,ignorant ! all her body had getting huge ,died she enlarge all her body by plastic implants ? Idiot ! She’s 100% natural and you know it, Hater !Hahaha!

  32. LuckyLuke says:

    @ TRASH

    1.You insulted me first and you also insulted Celine !

    So yes ! I will insult you as long as I like !

    2.”Mariah has a better voice” This is only

    your opinion bitch ! Someday , when you grow up

    and mature you will see that comparing

    an rnb/soul artist to a pop/rock singer

    is really STUPID !

    3.Falling Into You , Let’s Talk About Love

    suprass Music Box by far and it proven by

    Mediatraffic.Try Again !

    4.Celine doesn’t have a plastic nose and chick

    as she never had surgery.

    …………………………..

    Ok and now I LAUGH !

    MARIAH HAS NATURAL BOOBS ? Ha Ha Ha !

    Mariah got implants during 1999 !

    And though the years she made them even bigger !

    Haven’t you seen videos of Average-chest Mariah

    such as Vision Of Love , I don’t wanna cry ?

    How about comparing them with Touch My Body ,

    Obsessed,Through The Rain and all TEOM Videos !!

    Ha ha ah ah ah ah

    You have such a strict attitude that you just DENY

    anything that seems ”bad” for MC.

    Check this out and die , troll !

    —> zimbio.com/Mariah+Carey/articles/r4DFCt2VA_3/Promo+Mariah+Carey+Channels+1990+Vision+Love

    (Pic Taken From Memoirs Album)

    —-> BEFORE —> google.gr/imgres?imgurl=http://i2.cdnds.net/08/14/rex_193588c.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/showbiz/news/a92697/in-pictures-mariah-carey.html&usg=__C7I-0Q2tIREfqE5WRzjLOHw_0qk=&h=801&w=550&sz=103&hl=el&start=20&zoom=1&tbnid=lbxuAZZb9AuY7M:&tbnh=143&tbnw=97&ei=zal3TeXkB4iL4Abn982mCA&prev=/images%3Fq%3DMARIAH%2BBILLBOARD%2BAWARDS%26um%3D1%26hl%3Del%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26sa%3DN%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:el:official%26biw%3D1280%26bih%3D619%26tbs%3Disch:10%2C228&um=1&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=889&vpy=240&dur=639&hovh=271&hovw=186&tx=91&ty=166&oei=yKl3TbPxDc6WhQfg17iRDw&page=2&ndsp=23&ved=1t:429,r:5,s:20&biw=1280&bih=619

    —–> AFTER —> google.gr/imgres?imgurl=http://cdn.buzznet.com/media-cdn/jj1/headlines/2010/01/mariah-carey-2010-golden-globe-awards-red-carpet.jpg&imgrefurl=http://justjared.buzznet.com/2010/01/17/mariah-carey-golden-globes-2010-red-carpet/&usg=__nfmf8Roo8BrbTBNe8e0uqrTu-8o=&h=300&w=300&sz=28&hl=el&start=0&zoom=1&tbnid=HXi3bygJF8aU2M:&tbnh=151&tbnw=150&ei=Rqp3TcX3HoW7hAf7neGQBg&prev=/images%3Fq%3DMARIAH%2BOSCARS%2B2010%26um%3D1%26hl%3Del%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:el:official%26biw%3D1280%26bih%3D619%26tbs%3Disch:1&um=1&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=274&vpy=286&dur=559&hovh=225&hovw=225&tx=147&ty=130&oei=Rqp3TcX3HoW7hAf7neGQBg&page=1&ndsp=21&ved=1t:429,r:15,s:0

    —> google.gr/imgres?imgurl=http://www.showbizfire.com/UserFiles/2010/1/6/Mariah%2520Carey%2520honoured%2520at%2520the%2520first%2520big%2520showbiz%2520bash%2520of%25202010.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.showbizfire.com/articlelist.asp%3Fvt%3DSubCategory%26SCID%3D43%26Page%3D16%26Gosspis&usg=__HNmhp5Z54vNZ6w549zwiRybSS9o=&h=336&w=450&sz=52&hl=el&start=0&zoom=1&tbnid=8RIz1oMeBwJH2M:&tbnh=155&tbnw=207&ei=Rqp3TcX3HoW7hAf7neGQBg&prev=/images%3Fq%3DMARIAH%2BOSCARS%2B2010%26um%3D1%26hl%3Del%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:el:official%26biw%3D1280%26bih%3D619%26tbs%3Disch:1&um=1&itbs=1&iact=rc&dur=350&oei=Rqp3TcX3HoW7hAf7neGQBg&page=1&ndsp=21&ved=1t:429,r:1,s:0&tx=121&ty=71

    & There are scientists that have already mentioned she

    had boob job & botox & nose job.

    HERE MORE —> popcrunch.com/mariah-carey-plastic-surgery-150000-mariah-carey-150000-cosmetic-surgery

    famousplastic.com/category/mariah-carey/

    See why you UNABLE to participate a debate ?

    You are a crazy , stupid liar and nothing more.

    Dismissed.

  33. MOFF says:

    Trish, you said you proved that these intitutions are biased ????
    OK, prove it to me, please. I await it.

    AIWFCIY sold 12 million ? You sill insist ?
    Prove it, please.

  34. tane says:

    lukyluke and moff!

    what is wrong with yous?…..

    my sources are correct you just can’t believe it! because your jelous Mariah is better than whoredonnarexic!

    luckyluke and moff you gise just stick to the old facts, the facts taht are 5 to 6 years old counting her album sales in 2005 and 6…but up to 2011 she has sold 200 million albums worlwide! and its true Mariah Carey has had way more number 1s thnn Madonna and yes most are in the US but that’s where very artist aims for their number 1s to be because the billboards are the most popular charts in the history of music charts counting that Mariah has more number 1s and sold 200 million albums!!!

    and no luke I don’t need you to elaborate any of your Wikipedia type info you happily found on a poor funded site! so please just get out!

    trish is correct! and I myself is correct!
    moffese and lugly! are just obsessisve old men!

  35. LuckyLuke says:

    @ tane

    TRISH says Mariah sold 170m albums by 2003 and you say

    she sold 150m by then ! How come you agree with her ?

    If MOFF says Celine sold 190m by 2004 I will disagree

    with him.

    Mariah NEVER sold 200m albums. You say 200m albums.

    Exactly where ? ? ?

    Keep posting LIES and I will keep posting questions

    on these lies just to make you look STUPID !

    Cause I LOVE the fact that you and TRISH are two

    LAME BITCHES that came here to post crap you CAN’T

    PROVE !

    Now go on and tell me bitch ! where did Mariah sold

    200m ALBUMS !

    Madonna has 18 number 1s at United WORLD Chart , Mariah

    has 18 Number 1s in Us ! Do you get this DIFFERENCE

    or you want me to ellaborate more ?

    MADONNA HAS 38 TOP 10 HITS AT BILLBOARD HOT 100 !

    MARIAH HAS 26 !

    MADONNA SOLD 40 MILLION SINGLES IN US !

    MARIAH SOLD 32 MILLION SINGLES THERE !

    MADONNA SOLD 120 MILLION RECORDS IN EUROPE !

    MARIAH SOLD 35 MILLION THERE !

    MADONNA SUPRASES MARIAH IN AFRICA , N.AMERICA , OCEANIA

    AND CANADA !

    And I Don’t Mention Tours and Dvds ! Lmao

    You and TRASH can spread your lies on Mariah

    forums like TEAMLAMB that was shut down TWICE for

    spreading LIES ! Not in this debate.

    Try again and this time with a few proof…!

  36. shutup says:

    trish and tane are actually the same person.

  37. shutup says:

    mediatraffic.de/top-album-achievements.htm

    madonna is fifth best selling album artist in the world.

    mediatraffic.de/top-track-achievements.htm

  38. TRISH says:

    @Lucky Luke: Madonna and Celine sold more than Mariah is just your opinion,that share with you your devoted lovers Moff and Shut Up !
    Music Box outsold Fallin Into You and Let’s Talk About Love by Faaaaaaaaaaaaaaar !
    Celine doesn’t got plastic NOSE and CHIN ? Hahahahahaha! I can’t believe it ! How someane could ever has so HUGE NOSE AND CHIN ?????????????? Hahahahaha! I’m sure that you’re proud of them like lambs are proud about Mariah’s beautiful and sexy body ! not just boobs ! Just compare Mariah’s first video Vision Of Love and Celine’s Where Does My Heart Beat Now and we will see that Mariah was more beautiful when she had’nt enlarge her boobs.Celine was already ugly although her NOSE and her CHIN wasn’t as impressive at today.So,Mariah’s boobs grow up like Celine’s NOSE and CHIN grow up as Well ! Hahahahaha! Mariah was so thin at her debut,how she could have the same boobs ? It’s not by her fault if Celine got her female monkey breasts Hahahahaha!
    Mariah outsold Celine and Madonna on albums and Singles sales haters.
    Madonna got just 4 million Certified singles in US ,Mariah got 15 ! See ? Celine even doesn’t got 3 ones ! According to RIAA ! If Madonna would sold 40 million singles in USA ,Mariah would sold 100 million in US alone !!!!!!! Madonna sold 15 million singles in US + 34 million in whole Europe + 7 million in Asia + 5 million for the rest of the world ! Celine’s singles global sales are about 25- 30 million worldwide the most ! Mariah outsold these both women in US , Asia ,South America, Oceania, West Indies ! So it’s clear ! The two biggest world music markets belong to Mimi ! Celine and Madonna are faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar behind The Voice on records sales worldwide !
    MARIAH RULES !
    Lucky Luke,Moff and Shutup are the same person in all means ! Hahahaha!
    Tane ! These haters are just jealous about Mariah’s beauty over Chin Dion and Whoredonna ! Hahahahaha! Mariah is the best in everything !
    Mariah sold more albums and more singles than Celine and Madonna!

  39. LuckyLuke says:

    This was your best shot ? how pathetic.

    I don’t know what you mean ”plastic chin and nose” .

    Celine always used to have big nose , long chin and small

    lips and boobs. As of 2011 she is the same. And of course

    Mariah is more beautiful.Still,she had boob implants

    back in 1999.Even scientists say so.

    On the other sales theories I will reply if I see a

    proof. For instance you say Celine has 3 platinum singles

    in Us which is false cause Celine’s Power Of Love ,

    Because You Loved Me , It Is All Coming Back To Me Now ,

    I Am Your Angel are all platinum.

    Moreover

    Madonna has 38 top 10 hits in Us and 18 Worldwide Hits.

    Mariah has 26 top 10 hits in Us and 4 Number 1s at UWC.

    So try again :-)

    Of course we are not the same person. You are just bitter

    and angry that 4 people here attack your IQ deficiency.

    Finally,since you don’t trust Billboard , RIAA ,

    IFPI , Mediatraffic , WMA , etc I am done with this

    debate. You proved nothing. You answered nothing.

    You are just babbling cause you are a pathetic trash

    and nothing more. Bye bye TRASH. :-)

  40. MOFF says:

    Crazy Trish, 15 millon singles in U.S. for Madonna ???
    You are unstoppable ..

  41. KC says:

    Wow, way too many numbers and figures to read through all these comments. The reason why Madonna, Celine, and Mariah are even mentioned in this debate is because they’ve released more best-selling albums than most other top selling female artists. Think about it. Why is Barbra Streisand (who I love, btw) considered by the RIAA the top selling female artist in the US? Globally, Madonna beats Barbra, and even Madonna’s biggest albums in the US have outsold Babs, but Barbra has RELEASED MORE albums than Madonna and has more gold and platinum albums than Madonna, so therefore the RIAA lists Barbra as the top selling female artist in the US simply because her figures outnumber Madonna’s (at least in the US). It’s really all about how you manipulate the numbers.

    Madonna had the fortune to be also a more successful singles artist than Mariah (not to say Mariah wasn’t successful) and Celine, and she released a helluva lot more singles that did very well internationally (almost like 4 singles per album, not to mention the soundtrack singles she’s released).

    But look at some of the artists who’ve released less material and sold a whole lot. Whitney Houston & Shania Twain have sold millions and millions of albums, and both have some of the top selling albums of all time, yet they’re less prolific and haven’t released as much as Celine, Mariah, and Madonna. Imagine if Whitney had stayed on track in her career and released albums more frequently. We probably wouldn’t be having this discussion.

    What difference does it make if someone sold more than someone else, though? Does it make them a better artist or just more popular? If I had my way, people like Kate Bush or Siouxsie Sioux would be the top selling female artists, but then again, I like the fact they’re still relatively unknown to a lot of people and I don’t have to share them with the whole world.

    Let people just like who they like, and stop the fighting. The music industry is facing a near death, and most of these artists today would be lucky to have sold as much as the ones being mentioned. I happen to own music by every artist that I mentioned, except for Shania, and I am glad to have helped in their sales.

  42. LuckyLuke says:

    Hey KC !

    I get all your points and I agree. For me though ,

    more albums don’t indicate always more sales. Mariah

    for example sold over 11m with one album (TEOM)

    and almost 4.5m with 4 projects (E=MC2 , Memoirs ,

    Ballads , MC2U).

    I Believe that Whitney and Shania would be top sellers

    in level as Mariah , Celine and Madonna if they had

    more releases though. Still , I prefer to stick to the

    facts and not base my opinion in hypothetical theories.

    But this is only my opinion.

    Thanx for writing down yours ! We needed a smart ,

    logic and polite person in here !

  43. KC says:

    Thanks! I don’t like to quote a lot of numbers..it hurts my head. LOL

    I guess my point is, without trying to sound mushy, is everyone should just appreciate all three of these ladies’ success. You don’t have to like either or all of them, but no one’s going to top what either of these three have done, and each has their own bragging rights as to accomplishing something the other artist hasn’t. Personally I don’t get the Mariah vs Madonna comparisons, because they’re NOTHING alike, but I think their respective success has always intimidated the other person’s fanbase. And it’s really the fans who create these rivalries. I love music and I love female artists, but lately I’ve been seeing nothing but catfights on the internet over whose diva is better (lately it’s been Britney vs. Lady GaGa).

    BTW, I had a dream last night I was at a Madonna concert. Never been to one of hers, but it was amazing, even in my dream..and she actually passed by me and spoke to me backstage…I can only dream, right?

  44. TRISH says:

    Persons attack my QI defiency ? Whom ? Hahaha ! My QI doesn’t depend on links on internet,unlike yours ! You can’t emit an idea by your own an you call others deficient from QI ? I have a brain on my own and I can think and make analysis with it,unlike you ! So The one who suffers of QI deficiency is undeniably you !
    Loverboy is the best selling soundtrack in Japan ! it sold in US,Oceania,etc… Loverboy is the best selling single of 2001 !
    TEOM Outsold ANDHC not just in Australia but in the whole Oceania continent ! Besides,TEOM’s US + EUROPE +CANADA+ ASIA + OCEANIA +LATIN AMERICA sales outsold ANDHC’s US + EUROPE +CANADA +ASIA +OCEONIA + LATIN AMERICA sales.So,TEOM outsold A New Day.
    Mediatrafic ,Wikipedia and IFPI are institutions like magazines Lucky ! LMAO ! They are both constituted by humans !They are not more reliable than magazines lists.
    Lists are fan made and come from US ? Where come frome sales lists ? In Europe ( Madonna and Celine’s ultimate continent )? Oh great ! So, they are really reliable ! What a good joke ? Hahahaha!
    At least, fans vote in magazines but in these partial institutions,the team of administrators decide themselves which artist sales they will inflate and which ones they will decrease by their official lists and datas.
    I already proved many times how much they are partial !
    Is Guinness World Records a magazine ?
    MTV countdown realised an online poll !
    Yes,Billboard is the most important and the most popular Chart by far worldwide, as Tane already said ! Lame bitches ?? ! Why would we be lame ? You
    are the one that could walk lamely because of the way you live your life,particulary your sex life !
    Only Moff and Shut Up feigh to agree with you just to pleasure you.Everyoooooooooone agree with me ! Mariah sold around 300 million records worldwide ! All your contradictions and your lies put you in total shame when you said that Celine’ albums sales reach 85 million.For her singles sales reach 50 million and Mariah’s just 60 million. You were really convincing when I said that Mariah’s and Celine’s sales are neck by neck ? So,why did you continue to claim that Celine outsold Mariah ? Let me be clear my dear ! I said that just to stop the fight, like you said so ! Mariah surpass Celine on records sales worldwide !
    You compare Mariah’s marriage with Tommy Mottola to Celine’s with Rene Angelil ? Hahahaha! Tommy is a cute playpay beside Rene.He had just 43 when Mariah married him,Rene had 51.Rene was always a delicate “old “ man unlike Mottola.Mariah leaved Mottola because he had too much influence on her artistic choices and her singing style,not because she was not satisfied.After that Mariah leave him,Mottola marry with Thalia a gorgeous Latin singer like J-Lo.Mariah’s talent and vocal beauty are the reason of her success,not Tommy.Thalia is Tommy’s wife since many years and they even have a child together.But did Thalia became a top international and successful singer with many # 1 hits in USA and international smash hits albums like Mariah did ? No! Besides,Thalia made currently R&B songs and Pop featuring Hip Hop collaborations à la Mariah ! Mariah was atop because she sang Pop music,and her Pop music is amazing and particulary tasteful because of her special voice and her talent ,not because she was married Tommy ! Tommy could provide the promotions of music,not the taste of people ! You recognized yourself that some of Mariah’s recent efforts were very well promoted although they became not huge smash hits.Tommy Mottola was the manager of Mariah Carey,then her husband in 1993.So,what is bad if he boosted Mariah’s career ? He boosted Celine’s career as well !
    EVERYTHING proves Mariah’s 200 million albums ! Nothing proves Celine’s 185 million albums ! NOTHING ! “Links” Proves Celine sold 185 million albums? Who create these “links” ? Hahahaha! Where Celine sold her 185 million albums ? WHERE ???? Where Madonna sold her 200 million albums ? Can you answer to me? WHERE ???
    The best selling singles are I Will Always Love You and All I Want For Christmas Is You. You can’t deny it !
    You said that I am a bitch ,and now you say me to go and lose my virginity in order to calm down ! Contradictions even in your insults ! Hahahaha!
    Moff, This is you who SUCK ! not me.”Madonna as the world best selling female artist” is just your opinion.
    Lucky Luke,So what if Madonna got more hits than Mariah in Europe and Worldwide Charts? Billboard is the most significant Chart and Mariah rules on it ( It is not like charts that can’t have more than 2 female artists having 1 diamond album each !) Moreover,Moff and you said formerly that Madonna’s hits are not relevant to sales since Celine equals Madonna on sales although Celine hadn’t many Hits unlike Madonna.So,don’t talk anymore about Madonna’s # 1 hits !
    1. Listen Lucky sLut ! Here,we talk with FACTS ! Not with fan made sources and links ! nor partial sources !
    PS -> You and your better half Moff can spread your lies on Wikipedia Encyclopedia
    that should shut down for
    spreading LIES and PARTIALITIES in favor of Celine ! Feeling hilarious and silly now,right ?
    oh ! Moff, Oh !…LMAO !
    1. Moff, Mariah has sold 200 million albums, Madonna has sold 168 million albums.All the sources you mentioned are incorrects.
    About Guinness,it lies on Madonna’s sales in 2003.So,it can’t be trusted ! See ?
    @ Shutup : Shut up and justwait for Mariah become thin.Then her total sales could grow up in Europe and be seen in objective eyes like Madonna’s and Celine’s.OK ? Stupid boy !
    Nowadays,Mariah lead the game ! Madonna? game over !
    @Lucky Luke : Mariah is the voice ! The whole world recognized it.Celine voice can’t face it !Mariah’s voice is better than Celine’s voice in every musical genres. So,move on this ! Someday when you’ll get out the psychiatric center you will see that ! Mariah owns the title of The VOICE ! Since the 1990’s when she was mainly a Pop/Rock singer.Mariah is an OVERALL vocalist,she’s not border in a musical genre, unlike your rooster !Her voice match every musical genres .
    Music Box surpass Falling Into You and Let’s Talk About Love by far proven by its worldwide sales ! My dear wrinkled hater !
    All the links you gave are created by haters like you ! Well, I can’t believe that someone could ever got so huge natural NOSE, CHIN without any plastic surgery ! It’s so incredible ! Moreover,she hadn’t lips ! What a stingy,skinflint and miser superstar! Why did she collect so many money ,if she can’t benefit from it at 100 % and embellish herself ? She should correct her so ugly nose,chin and lips !! In which planet this troll come from ? Pluton ?
    Mariah is so beautiful,so perfect,so natural !Like many other girls, I love to look like this gorgeous and sexy woman !
    @Moff : Guinness claimed Madonna sold 300 million albums in 2003 year,then 200 million albums in 2010. IFPI claimed Nana Mouskouri the best selling female artist of all times with sales reaching 200 million albums worldwide.See?
    All I Want For Christmas Is You sold over 12 million worldwide ! I’ll give you proves when you first give me proves for A New Day Has Come outsold TEOM and The Colour Of My Love outsold Mariah Carey album. I address this to Moff !
    Lucky Luke,you just forget to precise Celine’s number ones and Top 10 Hits on the Charts just like you did for Madonna ! Hahahaha!
    Mimi has 18 number 1s at BILLBOARD Chart ,it’s enough to blow all other Charts away !
    MADONNA HAS 4 Platinum Singles in USA
    MARIAH HAS 15 !
    CELINE HAS 2
    MADONNA SOLD Around 15-20 MILLION SINGLES IN US !
    MARIAH SOLD APPROXIMATELY 50 MILLION SINGLES THERE !
    MADONNA SOLD 90 -95 MILLION RECORDS IN EUROPE !
    MARIAH SOLD 35 MILLION THERE ( BECAUSE LARGELY UNDERCERTIFIED )!
    MADONNA SURPASSES MARIAH IN AFRICA
    AND CANADA !
    MARIAH SURPASSES MADONNA IN ASIA, OCEANIA, LATIN AMERICA, WEST INDIES,
    DEAR WEIRDO,NORTH AMERICA MEAN : USA + CANADA COMBINED !
    And I Don’t Mention Voice, Influence,Legacy, Skills and Talents ! Lmao
    You and your weird friend Moff can spread your lies on Wikipedia
    This biased site that should shut down since long ago ! Not in this debate.
    Try again , and this time with a few biased links…!

  45. shutup says:

    lol Madonna supraas Mariah in ocenia stupid

    Australia / albums

    P = 70 000
    G = 35 000

    DVD
    P = 15 000
    G = 7 500

    peak – weeks – certification – year – title

    10 (81) 1984 3xP Madonna
    02 (72) 1984 7xP Like A Virgin
    01 (78) 1986 4xP True Blue
    24 (18) 1987 NC Who’s That Girl
    13 (15) 1987 1xP You Can Dance
    04 (68) 1989 4xP Like A Prayer
    01 (29) 1990 1xP I’m Breathless
    01 (205) 1990 12xP Immaculate Collection
    01 (48) 1992 3xP Erotica
    01 (44) 1994 2xP Bedtime Stories
    01 (34) 1995 4xP Something To Remember
    05 (33) 1996 1xP Evita
    35 (6) 1996 1xG Evita (Complete)
    01 (93) 1998 3xP Ray Of Light
    02 (56) 2000 3xP Music
    03 (24) 2001 1xP GHV2
    03 (13) 2003 1xP American Life
    01 (46) 2005 2xP Confessions On A Dance
    01 (11) 2006 1xP IGTTYAS (DVD chart)
    01 (16) 2007 1xG TCT (DVD chart)
    01 2008 1xP Hard Candy 1xP
    08 2009 Celebration

    total: + 4 000 000 albums and dvd

    mariah about 2 million max

    and Madonna has 26 gold singles in usa. three of them are platinum because old certifation rules. before 1989 gold was 1 million sold.
    madonna has 6 platinum singles in USA and 3 multiplatinum

    singles.
    Singles (physical + digital)
    1..Everybody………………….1982……295.000
    2..Burning Up…………………1983……205.000
    3..Holiday……………………..1983……700.000
    4..Borderline………………….1984……800.000
    5..Lucky Star…………………1984……675.000
    6..Like A Virgin……………….1984….2.225.000
    7..Material Girl………………..1985……960.000
    8..Crazy For You……………..1985….1.445.000
    9..Into The Groove…………….1985……220.000
    10.Angel………………………..1985….1.095.000
    11.Dress You Up………………1985……535.000
    12.Live To Tell………………….1986……735.000
    13.Papa Don’t Preach………..1986……895.000
    14.True Blue……………………1986……650.000
    15.Open Your Heart………….1986……605.000
    16.La Isla Bonita………….…..1987……645.000
    17.Who’s That Girl……………1987……530.000
    18.Causing A Commotion……1987……450.000
    19.Spotlight………………..….1987…….10.000
    20.Like A Prayer………………1989….1.950.000
    21.Express Yourself…………1989……760.000
    22.Cherish……………………1989……550.000
    23.Oh Father…………..…….1989……285.000
    24.Keep It Together…………1990……365.000
    25.Vogue……………………..1990….2.555.000
    26.Hanky Panky……………..1990……320.000
    27.Justify My Lov…………….1990….1.780.000*
    28.Rescue Me……………….1991……320.000
    29.This Used To Be My Playground..1992….1.020.000
    30.Erotica…………………….…1992……560.000
    31.Deeper And Deeper………..1992……355.000
    32.Bad Girl………………………1993……220.000
    33.Rain…………………………..1993……415.000
    34.I’ll Remember……………….1994……680.000
    35.Secret…………………………1994……585.000
    36.Take A Bow………………….1994……795.000
    37.Bedtime Story……………….1995……150.000
    38.Human Nature……………….1995……270.000
    39.You’ll See…………………….1995……530.000
    40.Love don’t live here anymor.1996……105.000
    41.You Must Love Me…… .…..1996……655.000
    42.Don’t Cry For Me Argentina…1997……355.000
    43.Frozen…………………………..1998……860.000
    44.Ray Of Light……………………1998….1.010.000*
    45.Drowned World………….……..1998…….25.000
    46.The Power Of Goodbye………..1998……445.000
    47.Nothing Really Matters………..1999……205.000
    48.Beautiful Stranger…………..….1999……215.000
    49.American Pie…………………..2000…….95.000
    50.Music…………………………..2000….1.535.000*
    51.Don’t Tell Me………… ………2000……620.000
    52.What It Feels Like For A Girl..2001……250.000*
    53.Die Another Day…………… .2002……425.000
    54.American Life……………… 2003……140.000
    55.Hollywood………………… …2003……120.000
    56.Me Against The Music…-….2003……325.000
    57.Nothing Fails………………..2003…….50.000
    58.Love Profusion………………2004…….60.000
    59.Hung Up……………………..2005….1.295.000
    60.Sorry…………………………2006……410.000
    61.Get Together………………..2006……155.000
    62.Jump…………………….…..2006……185.000
    63.4 Minutes……………………2008….2.860.000
    64.Give It 2 Me…………………2008……360.000
    65.Miles Away…………………2008…….60.000
    66.Celebration…………………2009……235.000
    67.Revolver……………………..2009…….40.000
    *= includes VHS/DVD sales
    Album Tracks:
    1..Physical Attraction…………1983…….25.000
    2..Santa Baby…………………1987……200.000
    3..Candy Shop…………………2008…….40.000
    4..Beat Goes On……………….2008…….65.000
    5..It’s So Cool……………….2009…….10.000
    +400.000 copies for other tracks**
    TOT: 41.975.000

    madonna has sold 40 million singles in usa. oh and laura you could just go to hell. Mariah has not sold 50 million singles in usa

    READ THIS LINK

    billboard.com/bbcom/specials/hot100/charts/top100-artists-20.shtml

    dear honey it’s only your opinion that USA single chart is more meaningfull than euro hot100. because your fat ass Mariah has only 1 number one in Europe and Madonna has 15. Madonna has sold over 100 million records in europe. you must be really stupid trash. 75 million albums sold in Europe and Madonna has sold over 17 million singles in uk alone.

    Total Sales: 20,050,000

    then her uk single sales these are from 2008 music week.

    1..Into The Groove………….1985….843,561
    2..Like A Virgin…… ………1984….768,129
    3..Holiday……………………1984….752,968
    4..Crazy For You……………1985….662,481
    5..Papa Don’t Preach… …..1986….629,386
    6..True Blue………………….1987….534,728
    7..Hung Up…………… ……2005….525,000
    8..Beautiful Stranger………..1999….513,992
    9..Like A Prayer…………….1989….513,231
    10.Frozen………… .………..1998….508,296
    11.Vogue………….………….1990….484,308
    12.4 Minutes…….……………2008….480,000
    13.La Isla Bonita…….………1987….421,760
    14.Music……………………..2000….400,531
    15.Material Girl………………1985….389,999
    16.American Pie…………….2000….380,937
    17.Who’s That Girl………….1987….376,498
    18.Don’t Cry For Me Argentina..1996….338,494
    19.You’ll See…………………..1995….302,432
    20.Borderline…………………..1984….298,388
    21 Gambler…………………….1985….292,341
    22 Live To Tell…………………1986….271,897
    23 Erotica……………………..1992….270,800
    24 This Used To Be My Playground..1992….270,427
    25 Ray Of Light……………….1998….262,514
    26 Dear Jessie………………..1989….250,769
    27 Causing A Commotio ……1987….229,934
    28 Justify My Love………..….1990….228,683
    29 Hanky Panky……………..1990….205,733
    30 Dress You Up…………….1985….204,970
    31 Angel……………….……..1985….198,650
    32 Express Yourself…………1989….194,102
    33 Cherish……………………1989….192,891
    34 Open Your Heart………….1986….186,742
    35 Don’t Tell Me………………2000….179,939
    36 Sorry………………..……..2006….178,963
    37 Power Of Goodbye/Little Star…1998….175,095
    38 Die Another Da…………2002….167,863
    39 Give It 2 Me..………..….2008….150,000
    40 Deeper And Deep.……..1992….136,854
    41 Rescue Me……………..1991….134,764
    42 Rain………………..……1993….130,771
    43 Nothing Really Matter…1999….128,137
    44 Me Against The Music…..2003….126,136
    45 The Look Of Love…..……1987….121,439
    46 Secret…………………….1994….117,957
    47 Lucky Star…………….…1984….117,470
    48 Take A Bow………………1994….102,739
    49 I’ll Remember…….………1994….100,090
    50 Bedtime Story……………1995…..97,428
    51 Drowned World/Subst For Love)..1998…..90,651
    52 You Must Love Me……………1996…..90,428
    53 What It Feels Like For A Girl..2001…..86,771
    54 Fever……………………..1993…..86,077
    55 Human Nature……………….1995…..80,685
    56 Another Suitcase Another Hall..1997…..75,233
    57 Bad Girl…………………..1993…..74,915
    58 American Life………………2005…..72,260
    59 Get Together……………….2006…..67,163
    60 Hollywood………………….2003…..59,633
    61 Oh Father………………….1996…..58,730
    62 One More Chance…………….1996…..56,851
    63 Jump………………………2006…..52,038
    64 Love Profusion……………..2003…..41,025
    65 Miles Away ………………..2008…..20,000
    total sales: 17.150,000 celebration was released 2009

    singles: Germany

    1..Frozen………………………….1998….510.000
    2..La Isla Bonita…………………1987….500.000
    3..Hung Up………………………..2005…450.000 (270.000 Physical)
    4..Like A Prayer…………………1989….420.000
    5..Don’t Cry For Me Argentina.1997….410.000
    6..4 Minutes…………………….2008….350.000 (50.000 Physical)
    7..Into The Groove…………….1985….330.000
    8..The Power Of Goodbye…..1998….310.000
    9..Like A Virgin………………..1984….310.000
    10.American Pie……………….2000….300.000
    11.Papa Don’t Preach………..1986….300.000
    12.Music………………………..2000….260.000
    13.Vogue……………………….1990….240.000
    14.True Blue……………………1986….240.000
    15.You’ll See…………………..1995….230.000
    16.Express Yourself………….1989….230.000
    17.Who’s That Girl…………….1987….230.000
    18.Holiday……………………….1984….210.000
    19.Take A Bow…………………1994….190.000
    20.TUBMPG…………………….1992….190.000
    21.Beautiful Stranger………….1999….150.000
    22.Die Another Day…………….2002….130.000
    23.Justify My Love……………..1990….130.000
    24.Live To Tell…………………..1986….130.000
    25.Don’t Tell Me………………..2000….120.000
    26.Material Girl…………………1985….120.000
    27.Open Your Heart…………..1987….110.000
    28.Gambler……………………..1985….110.000
    29.Angel…………………………1985….110.000
    30.Crazy For You……………..1985….110.000
    31.Miles Away………………….2008….100.000
    32.Bad Girl………………………1993….100.000
    33.Cherish……………………….1989….100.000
    34.Give It 2 Me………………….2008…..90.000
    35.Secret………………………..1994…..90.000
    36.Rain…………………………..1993…..90.000
    37.Celebration………………….2009…..80.000
    38.Me against The Music……2003…..70.000
    39.Erotica……………………….1992…..70.000
    40.Causing A Commotio…….1987…..70.000
    41.Dress you Up………………1984…..70.000
    42.Sorry…………………………2006…..65.000 (40.000 Physical)
    43.Rescue Me…………………1991…..60.000
    44.Hanky Panky………………1990…..60.000
    45.Dear Jessie………………..1989…..60.000
    46.WIFLFAG…………………..2001…..50.000
    47.Ray Of Light………………..1998…..50.000
    48.Hollywood…………………..2003…..40.000
    49.American Life………………2003…..40.000
    50.Nothing Really Matters…..1999…..40.000
    51.Drowned World…………….1998…..40.000
    52.Human Nature……………..1995…..40.000
    53.I’ll Remember………………1994…..40.000
    54.The Look Of Love………….1987…..40.000
    55.Jump………………………….2006…..20.000 (10.000 Physical)
    56.Get Together………………..2006…..20.000 (10.000 Physical)
    57.Nothing Fails………………..2003…..20.000
    58.You Must Love Me…………1996…..20.000
    59.Deeper And Deeper………..1992…..10.000

    total: 8.320.000
    singles:

    1 Madonna La isla bonita 650.000
    2 Madonna Into The Groove 610.000
    3 Madonna Don’t Cry For Me Argentina 610.000
    4 Madonna Like A Prayer 560.000
    5 Madonna Who’s That Girl 54.000
    6 Madonna Frozen 490.000
    7 Madonna Hung Up 420.000
    8 Madonna Papa Don’t Preach 410.000
    9 Madonna True Blue 310.000
    10 Madonna Music 310.000
    11 Madonna Secret 290.000
    12 Madonna Live To Tell 280.000
    13 Madonna Like A Virgin 250.000
    14 Madonna American Pie 250.000
    15 Madonna Vogue 200.000
    16 Madonna Beautiful Stranger 200.000
    17 Madonna Dress You Up 170.000
    18 Madonna Don’t Tell Me 160.000
    19 Madonna The Power Of Good-Bye 130.000
    20 Madonna Die Another Day 130.000
    21 Madonna American Life 120.000
    22 Madonna Open Your Heart 110.000
    23 Madonna Ray Of Light 110.000
    24 Madonna The Look Of Love 100.000
    25 Madonna Gambler 90.000
    26 Madonna This Used To Be My Playground 90.000
    27 Madonna Me Against The Music 90.000
    28 Madonna 4 Minutes 90.000
    29 Madonna Cherish 80.000
    30 Madonna You’ll See 80.000
    31 Madonna Sorry 80.000
    32 Madonna Hollywood 70.000
    33 Madonna Love Profusion 60.000
    34 Madonna Justify My Love 50.000
    35 Madonna Rescue Me 50.000
    36 Madonna Take A Bow 50.000
    37 Madonna Nothing Fails 50.000
    38 Madonna Holiday 50.000
    39 Madonna Drowned World (Substitute For Love) 40.000
    40 Madonna Oh Father 30.000
    41 Madonna Erotica 30.000
    42 Madonna What It Feels Like For A Girl 30.000
    43 Madonna Get Together 30.000
    44 Madonna Give It 2 Me 30.000
    45 Madonna Holiday 20.000
    46 Madonna Deeper And Deeper 20.000
    47 Madonna Nothing Really Matters 20.000
    48 Madonna I’ll Remember 10.000
    49 Madonna You Must Love Me 10.000

    France / Singles sales 8.700.000

    uk. 17,5 million
    Fr. 8,7 million
    ger. 8,3 million

    madonna also has 21 number one singles in italy. so he has sold 3 million singles there.

    37,5 million singles sold in Europe with only these markets. Madonna has sold 45 million singles in europe. Madonna has sold 120 million records in europe. and secondly Europe will never love Mariah, not because she’s fat she is boring ass hell. adele has huge succes here and she is big size but still Europe loves her. I think trish you are mentally insane and it feels like your head is going to explode like Japanese nuclear power plan lol.

  46. LuckyLuke says:

    @ KC

    I get your point and I agree with you. I am only

    pissed by liars that speak with 0 knowledge

    on sales,certifications. On your dream…

    I think that Madonna speaking to her fans after

    a concert can be part of a dream and nothing more! LoL

    @ TRASH

    Despite the fact Shutup said it all…I will reply to

    what you said to me.So…here you go.

    1.Your IQ is LIMITED because of your arguments. I have

    the ability to do some REAL research for my facts

    and then use my mind to answer all the crap

    and partialities you post.

    2.You say Loverboy is a SOUNDTRACK !!

    Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha !!

    Still wondering why I call you STUPID ? ? ?

    3.TEOM Is Platinum In Australia and ANDHC

    Is Double Platinum. Keep on posting non-sense.

    4.IFPI is like a magazine ? You think FANS

    actually vote to creat IFPI data like magazines ?

    Still wondering why I call you RETARDED ? ? ?

    5.You accuse people of IFPI and RIAA of being partial.

    And you say you proved it many times…

    Uhmm…not in this life. Try Again.

    6.Sex life makes someone lame ? Sorry saying

    Billboard is more important than Eurochart

    because Mariah can’t sell in Europe is lame.

    I would be lame if I said that Billboard

    is less important than Eurochart because

    Celine has limited success in Billboard,

    but I don’t say this. Why ? Becuase I am not lame.

    7.You say ”everyone agrees with me”. Ok , you have

    a serious problem. It is called craziness. Only

    yourself agrees with you because you entered here

    with many nicknames. This was your aim. To post

    many crap and lies and support them with 0 links

    and many ”supporters”. Even if MOFF and Shutup

    say Mariah sold more than Celine , this won’t

    change my position.

    8.You are UNABLE to read ! I said 85m RECORDS sales

    for Celine in Europe.You are 9 months here and STILL

    don’t know the difference between words ”records” and

    ”albums”…

    Still wonderfing why I call you stupid ? ? ?

    Learn how to read or leave.

    9.Mariah and Celine are indeed neck by neck in record

    sales cause Celine is ahead of Mariah on like

    10-20m records. They are so close ! So , I NEVER

    CONTRADICT ! You wrote down they are together and

    THEN said Mariah is ahead for 100 million records !!

    See who contradicts bitch ? ? ? ? ?

    10.I Never compared Rene to Tommy.Still you are

    not in position to question Celine’s personal choices

    when YOUR idol had a nervous public BREAKDOWN

    becuase reportedly her life was empty and sh** !!

    11.I Never said Mariah made a career ONLY BECAUSE

    of Tommy. You created this out of your mind. I said

    Tommy BOOSTED her career and this is true.

    So you basically talked alone again since NOBODY

    Claimed the opposite.

    Still wonderfing why I call you lame ? ? ?

    12.In my opinion – this decade – Mariah made

    ONLY Two good albums —> TEOM and MC2U …

    The rest of her projects deserved flopping

    cause they are low quality in MY OPINION !!

    & Island Def Jam made silly single choices

    for Mariah , in MY OPINION. Still – The Fact – Mariah’s

    albums had high bidget , she did videos & interviews.

    13.”Everything proves Mariah sold 200m albums”

    I posted a question long ago…what do you mean

    by ”everything” ? ? ? You still don’t reply.

    You still didn’t bring detailed datas but

    you mentioning them.

    Still wondering why I call you stupid ?

    14.My Heart Will Go On sold DOUBLE amount compared

    to All I Want For Xmas Is You. Try Again.

    15.Yes bitch, I called you a bitch cause this is what

    you are. You are mean , rude and sick. You are a mean

    bitch that tries to have sex but nobody comes close

    to her because of her sh***y behaviour ! do you

    see contradictions in this ? :-)

    16.You say that Billboard (Us) is more important than

    WORLD charts…so Us is more important than the WORLD!!

    Still wonderfing why I call you stupid ?

    17.Nobody here said Celine equals Madonna on sales.

    Do you ”put words in our mouths” to make a point ?

    How pathetic.

    18.Listen SLUT ! You can’t tell ME you talk with

    facts cause you brought 0 facts ! ok crazy cow ?

    ”Fan made sources” ? ha ha ha ha ha !!

    19.Don’t copy paste my answers honey ! Use your mind

    to create SARCASTIC LINES !!! I used to repeat

    other people lines when I was in Junior High School.

    Besides,we said Wikipedia is not to be trusted.

    Feeling dumb again , right ?

    20.Mariah own no title. ”The Voice” was Whitney’s

    nickname. Sorry…Mariah was never a rock singer.

    As of Pop…she has only one pop album so you

    must feeling so DUMB for saying Mariah is a pop/rock

    singer.

    21.Let’s Talk About Love and Falling Into You

    suprass Music Box as it is proved by worldwide

    sales. :-) Keep Up , I like what you do !

    22.You insult Celine again. Do you think I am

    offended somehow by this ? No matter what you say

    you are a pathetic lame bitch and nothing more.

    Celine unlike Mariah doesn’t need sexy videos

    and slutty attitude to sell her music :)

    She was , is and will be a classy lady ,

    most people respect.

    23.I Repeat Celine’s PLATINUM US Singles

    —-> I Am Your Angel

    —-> The Power Of Love

    —-> It Is All Coming Back To Me Now

    —-> Because You Loved Me

    Why did you bring falsified RIAA certifications here ?

    24.Mariah sold 32m singles in Us and it is proved

    by Billboard and no matter what you say I will

    only trust RIAA , Nielsen Soundscan and Billboard

    and not you.

    24.Celine sold 54m In Us (51m Certified) , 60m Europe

    (Award in early March 2003 for sales of over 50m) ,

    4m Oceania , 15m Canada (6 Diamond Certified Albums) ,

    Almost 10m Africa (Award for becoming best seller in

    2008) , 9m Japan.

    I just search data from S.America and rest of Asia.

    And I can’t help but wondering in which countries Mariah

    sold not 180m , not 190m but over 200m albums.

    25.You asked what links prove Celine sold more

    than Mariah…well these links prove it… :-)

    1. ifpi.org/content/library/top50-2007.pdf

    2. ifpi.org/content/library/top50-2002.pdf

    3. ifpi.org/content/library/top50-2008.pdfifpi.org/content/section_news/plat_month_20031209.html

    4. ifpi.org/content/library/top50-2003.pdf

    5. canoe.com/divertissement/musique/nouvelles/2007/12/11/4719391-ca.html

    6. community.indigo.ca/posts/Karen-Kennedy/user-92962/330333.html

    7. newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/January2008/17/c2039.html

    8. billboard.biz/bbbiz/charts/yearendcharts/chart_display.jsp?f=Top+Music+Video+Sales&g=Year-end+Singles

    9. billboard.biz/bbbiz/charts/yearendcharts/2008/chart_display.jsp?f=Top+Music+Video+Sales&g=Year-end+Singles

    10. rockstarweekly.com/celine-dion-receives-three-video-awards-for-quick-sales.html

    11. latimesblogs.latimes.com/music_blog/2010/01/celine-dion-reaches-peak-of-the-decades-ultimate-top-10.html

    12. montrealgazette.com/entertainment/Celine+Dion+Forbes+list/1885772/story.html

    13. uptoline.com/in-december-2009-pollstar-announced-that-celine-dion-was-the-best-selling-solo-touring-act

    14. uk.reuters.com/article/idUKTRE4BS4ZM2008123

    15. new.music.yahoo.com/blogs/chart_watch/34074/chart-watch-extra-the-top-20-album-sellers-of-the-2000s/

    16. pollstar.com/blogs/news/archive/2010/02/10/709096.aspx

    17. billboard.com/charts#/charts-decade-end/billboard-200-albums?year=2009&begin=21&order=position

    18. new.music.yahoo.com/blogs/chart_watch/34074/chart-watch-extra-the-top-20-album-sellers-of-the-2000s/

    19. chicagotribune.com/topic/entertainment/music/01011000.topic

    20. latimesblogs.latimes.com/music_blog/2010/01/celine-dion-reaches-peak-of-the-decades-ultimate-top-10.html

    21. lejournaldequebec.canoe.ca/journaldequebec/artsetspectacles/encoreplus/archives/2009/12/20091230-203458.html

    22. canada.com/topics/news/story.html?id=90da7aa0-f97e-4bc1-9985-1fb521cf0d5e&k=20045

    23. ctv.ca/CTVNews/Entertainment/20040914/dion_award040914/

    24. sonymusic.ch/Celine-Dion/Delles/P/477117867

    25.fanpop.com/spots/celine-dion/videos/9500322/title/celine-dion-entertainer-new-millennium

    26.mariahcarey.com/news/awards.php

    27.nme.com/artists/mariah-carey

    28.celebrity9.com/mariah-carey/biography.html\

    29. billboard.com/news/mariah-carey-releasing-second-christmas-1004115754.story#/news/mariah-carey-releasing-second-christmas-1004115754.story

    30.billboard.com/bbcom/specials/hot100/charts/top100-artists-20.shtml

    31.mediatraffic.de/alltime-album-chart.htm

    32.billboard.com/column-chartbeat/20-20-vision-mariah-marks-milestone-1004094895.story#/column-chartbeat/20-20-vision-mariah-marks-milestone-1004094895.story

    33. billboard.com/news/ask-billboard-celine-dion-celebrates-chart-1004134468.story#/news/ask-billboard-celine-dion-celebrates-chart-1004134468.story

    34. aboutcelinedion.net/celine-dion-awards.html

    35. allmusic.com/artist/mariah-carey-p62404/biography

    36. islanddefjam.com/artist/news_single.aspx?nid=7892&artistID=7386

    37. findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0EIN/is_1998_Oct_21/ai_53110374/pg_2/?tag=content;col1

    38. esctoday.com/news/read/3133

    39. contactmusic.com/new/xmlfeed.nsf/story/dion-to-be-honoured-at-world-music-awards

    40. news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/3649660.stm

    41. musique.premiere.fr/MCM/News/Celine-Dion-prolonge-son-bail/(gid)/2256952

    42. copines.ca/Potins/2415__Celine_Dion_au_repos_force.html

    43. celinemaniacs.com/giornali_2/JournaldeMontreal_September16_2004_pag1.jpg

    44. teemix.aufeminin.com/w/star/n10085/news/Celine-Dion-a-Las-Vegas-jusqu-en-2007.html

    45. i11.photobucket.com/albums/a190/brunosilva/DiamondAward-Nomeao.jpg

    46. youtube.com/watch?v=iaOaFLVW_Wc

    47. youtube.com/watch?v=8HkjsltvO1I

    48. youtube.com/watch?v=8FC8JehshWw

    49. womaninjava.blogspot.com/2010/06/celine-marie-claudette-dion-is-canadian.html

    50. worldlingo.com/ma/enwiki/en/I%27m_Alive_%28Celine_Dion_song%29

  47. rafael says:

    madonna and Celine are nothing compared to Mariah

  48. LuckyLuke says:

    @ Rafael

    Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ! And you are NOTHING

    as a debater compared to me…

    Next —>

  49. shutup says:

    yeah keep dreaming rafael.

  50. MOFF says:

    Trish ?
    You ask where 200 million come from ?
    I can give you my answer:
    If you count right, you’ll get around 200 million albums for Madonna. Its proved by: IFPI and Guinness.
    And you said that Guinness is unreliable because Madonna hasn’t sold 200 million albums. But you are wrong:

    Guinness claimed 100 million albums sold by 2007 for Mariah Carey !!
    Exactly 100 million ! Not more.

    Can you tell me where the 200 million albums come from ?
    And where 100 million singles ?
    Tell me please,
    I HAVE SOURCES, YOU DON’T !

  51. MOFF says:

    Oh sorry, Guinness and Billboard Charts claimed 20 million album sales for Mariah – in 2007 !!
    the 20 million album sales and 50 million total sales for Mariah Carey are proved by her global sales !!
    And my detailed data and facts I brought here are absolutely right !
    Why don’t you believe me, Trish ?

  52. LuckyLuke says:

    @ MOFF / Shutup

    ”Rafael” posted the same time as ”Tane” did at the

    other debate. Patience ! These lambs use the same

    nickname tricks. —> Same phrases (”Mariah wins”)

    under different nicknames with no facts.

    -.-‘

  53. tane says:

    adonnas only sold 200 million albums worldwide wheareas the rest are singles!!

    mariah has sold 195.5 million albums worldwide wheareas the rest are singles!!!

    mariah is way betterrr

  54. LuckyLuke says:

    @ tane

    Mariah sold 165-170m Albums THE MOST as it is proved

    by Columbia Records data / Millennium Award (130m by

    2000) , World Music Award in 2003 (150m by 2003) and her

    current Label that announced 200m + records as of

    November 2010.

    What you claim contradicts with all these sources

    & Guinness Book Of Records & All Celine’s awards

    & what is said by the Media.

    Finally , what you say is not real because you can’t

    prove it by certifications. Mariah sold 64m in Us ,

    26m in Europe , 5m Canada (The most) , 4m (The most)

    in Oceania and as TRISH claims over 50m in Asia

    —> 150m Albums without counting Africa & S.America.

    I don’t believe Mariah sold 45m in Africa and S.America.

    It is so simple.

    And let me show you why I like to be EXACT with what I

    say. For instance I say she sold almost 5m in Canada.

    Let me prove it to you.

    Canada = Platinum = 100k

    Mariah’s Canadian Certifications Are :

    1.Mariah Carey 7xP

    2.Emotions 4xP

    3.Mtv Live 1xP

    4.Music Box 7xP

    5.Merry Christmas 1xP

    6.Daydream 7xP

    7.Butterfly 2xP

    8.Number 1s 3xP

    9.Rainbow 2xP

    10.Glitter Not Certified

    11.Charmbracelet Gold (50k+)

    12.Greatest Hits Not Certified

    13.The Remixies Not Certified

    14.The Emancipation Of Mimi 3xP

    15.E=MC2 Platinum

    16.Ballads Not Certified

    17.Memoirs Of An Imperfect Angel Not Certified

    18.Playlist Not Certifed

    19.Merry Christmas To You Not Certified.

    Mariah’s Certifications In Canada reach the 3.9m mark.

    If you add sales of her non certified albums (Below 50k)

    & album sales that probably suprass the certification

    you see she barely reaches the 5m mark there.

    Don’t imply I lied about her certifications because

    they are so exact in Canada , Us , Europe , Oceania and

    Japan..!

    Source : Canada Recording Industry Association (CRIA)

    cria.ca/gold/1105_g.php

    & you can also check Nielsen Soundscan for what I claim.

    It is responsible for counting exact sales in Us and

    Canada since March 1991.

  55. LuckyLuke says:

    @ E V E R Y O N E

    Tane said exactly :

    TANE SAID

    ”: what I meant was it is true Mariah sold 150 million

    albums 1990 to 2003,

    heres my mistake guys Mariah Careys sold over 220

    million records worldwide not albums,

    meaning she sold 175 to 180 million albums worldwide and

    the rest are singles album sales for MC: 180 million”

    ——————– . . . ———————–

    I guess this is our BEST answer to TRISH to show how

    other lambs put her in total shame.

    —————–

    It is true Tane. Mariah sold 220m records worldwide

    coming from 165m albums & 55m singles.(not 180m albums

    and 40m singles)

    This is correct ! :-D And Thanks !

  56. TRISH says:

    @ Shut Up : Madonna doesn’t sold albums in Oceania compared to Mariah,maybe a few records in Australia, nowhere else in Oceania,delusional crippled thing ! Wake up ,The Voice blow your slut away on sales in Oceania continent !
    Madonna has 4 Platinum singles in Us for her entire career while Mariah has 15 ! A big difference ! So Mariah sold more than 4 times Madonna’s total singles in US ! And I even don’t mention Mariah’s multiplatinum singles in US and her innumerable Gold certified Singles there ! No doubt The Voice tops The Slut in US !
    No one can give prove for Madonna’s so-called “40 million singles sold in USA” ! You could never prove it Shut Up ! Madonna has sold 15 – 20 million singles in USA the very most ,while Mariah has sold over 50 million singles there the less.Besides,RIAA count Albums and Singles sales in US,not Billboard,Billboard is allowed about Charts and Hit Parades !
    Dear failure,it’s only your Opinion that Euro Chart equals Billboard Chart ! That could be only in your crazy daydreams !How many Certified platinum singles Madonna and Celine has in Eurochart ? How many artists sold singles per million in Eurochart ? How many artists have diamond certifications in Eurochart ? What do you mean by greatest or most meaningful market ? A market in which just Madonna and Celine have impressive sales ?Dear pea-brained goblyn,it’s not enough to be compared with Billboard !Madonna’s several number 1 Hits in Europe are just relevant to frequent Radios Airplay,not to sales unlike Mariah’s in Billboard ! The queen of Billboard is called Mariah Carey,and his king is Elvis Presley !Your wet Madonna never sold even 80 million records in Europe sweety,nor 17 million singles in UK.Wake up from your fantasy and face the reality.
    Hahahaha! What a long daydream you had about Madonna’s singles sales ! Hahahaha! I repeat for you,Madonna’s number 1 singles in Europe mean nothing.In the same post you said 100 million records sold for Madonna in Europe,then 120 million ? Tomorrow,you will say 200 million ? Hahahaha! Delusional joke!
    Dear hunchback ,lambs doesn’t give a sh*t about Europe cause Mariah already owns the both greatest and significant music markets worldwide ,USA and ASIA ! Europe could continue to love Celine’s HUGE NOSE ,CHIN and LIPS and Madonna’s emaciated and wrinkled bony ass.Who care about your “adele”? If most Europeans base their musical/artistical preference on weird artists and mediocrity ( Fat and ugly,Skeletton,Thin,huge nose and chin,wrinkled face,pervert,vocal blandness ,sourness and mushyness ,etc…) It’s from your business,cause no other people do the same.If what you said is true , this is a shame for such Europeans !
    I think you should leave your PC more often ,get a life out side of the internet,meet persons,travel,etc…and learn to know the real life.Start a open-minded life and you’ll see that your life will be less pathetic and more pleasant .Start to live a real life !Shut Up,go and find yourself a girlfriend instead of fantasize on Lucky Luke’s bony & spotty ass.

    TRISH
    @Lucky Luke: You know nothing on QI.You are just able to collect biased links and spread their distorted and incoherent claims here.Even a 4 years child could do the same.So forget the QI question ,dear one-eyed pea-brain . You are not able to make an analyse.You have no mind and are even not able to emit an idea without contradictions.You just repeat what is already settled at 100 % and you talk about intelligence and IQ ?
    I meant Loverboy is the best selling single worldwide in 2001 year !
    TEOM outsold A New Day by far on worldwide sales ! END OF STORY !
    I never said IFPI is a magazine,you distort my claims ! I never sid RIAA is partial,I talked about IFPI ! No matter if it’s a magazine or not,what is important are the validity of its claims.IFPI lies about Nana Mouskouri proves the irrelevance of it’s other claims.It’s worse than simple fan choices in magazines.Moreover,fans vote for Mariah in magazines mean that Mariah has more fans than Madonna and Celine,since not just lambs read magazines ! You see that you’re much more RETARDED than me ? Hahaha!
    Yes,I proved Guinness and IFPI partialities in this life,just leave the nasal hole in which you live,then you could see that.
    Yes.I said and proved that Billboard is a much more bigger market Eurochart because Billboard is a huge market not just for Mariah,but for much more female artists,including Madonna and Celine Dion,unlike Eurochart which is a big market only for Madonna and Celine Dion ! Any female artist can get huge in Us,even artists like Susan Boyle( which is not particulary talented unlike Mariah nor physically appealing,neither vocally gifted ) !At the other hand, like Shutup said ,Europeans will never love Mariah’s music !!!! See the difference with Billboard ? So how we could ever compare Eurochart to Billboard ???? This is the proof that USA is light yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaars bigger than Europe on music sales . So yes ,Billboard is much more important and more meaningful than Eurochart !
    1. Every readers agrees with me.Only Moff and Shut Up tried to help you without proving nothing.You try many different nicknames without more success.Then you become so frustrated than you look at a desperate crippled old man tryng to reach an athletic young man on race.Hahaha !
    2. You said” Even if MOFF and Shutup
    say Mariah sold more than Celine , this won’t
    change my position.” Really ?? You would choose a position different to theirs !! ! I would like to see that…Lol ! Wouldn’t you mind that they call your traitor then ???
    85 million records sales for Celine in Europe ? This joke is better than the previous ones,really ! Unless you had included her European concert ticket sales among this “ 85 million records sales “ ! When did Celine had ever sell these 85 million records in Europe ? OK, I have 85 million records sales in Europe too ! So I equal Celine there ! Hahaha! Mariah has sold 250 million records in US alone ! Don’t you get ashame to LIE like this ? Stupid crippled person !
    Mariah and Celine are indeed not neck by neck in record
    sales cause Mariah is ahead of Celine on like
    50-100m records.
    .Mariah already outsell Celine on Singles sales by 50 – 60 million worldwide.And I don’t even mention albums sales.So,How Celine could ever surpass Mimi by 10 – 20 million sales ? It’s so delusional !
    Netheir you are not in position to question Mariah’s public breakdown when Celine dropped out school to become a singer in Quebec ,then marry an old man to become a huge superstar instead of continue with her school,then take her High School diploma before to pursue her artistical career.
    Every artists have manager and label to boost their career,not just Tommy BOOSTED Mariah’s career.TOMMY MOTTOLA BOOSTED CELINE’S CAREER AS WELL AS MARIAH’S !!!
    So you basically talked alone again when you talk about Tours and concerts tickets that make Celine and Madonna so rich since NOBODY
    Claimed the opposite.
    Still wonderfing why I call you crippled and hunchbacked? ? ?
    In my opinion – this decade – Celine made
    ONLY one acceptable album —> A New Day Has Come…
    The rest of her projects deserved flopping
    cause they are low quality in MY OPINION !!
    & Sony made silly song choices
    for Celine’s albums .Composers and songwriters created bland dance songs and mediocre ballads for her in the 2000’s in MY OPINION.I prefer her French work in that decade. Still – The Fact – Celine’s
    albums had high promotions by concerts,she did endless tours & concerts.
    13.”Links” proves Celine sold 185m albums”
    I post a question right now…who create links and sources ? “aliens or humans ? Do Europeans buy Mariah’s album in common so that their purchase stay within the 1 million barrier ? How do every countries combined in Europe give just and exactly 1 million sales for Mariah’s albums as such: Mariah Carey,Emotions,MTV Unplugged EP,Merry Christmas,Butterfly,# 1’S, Rainbow,Greatest Hits,TEOM since their realease at 1990 to 2011 ??? HOW IT COULD BE EVER POSSIBLE ??????????????? I repeat that Links and Sources are biased !
    I call you stupidand idiot because you repeat anything claimed on a link or a list ! You are unable to analyze a fact and make a statement ! You just can repeat ! You’re not more deserving than a parrot ! You have no mind,no brain that’s why you’re so stupid and act like an one-eyed bony ass and creep hunchbacked.
    All I Want For Xmas Is You. 10 amount compared My Heart Will Go On.What do you think that MHWGO is so huge next to AIWFCIY ? It’s because this single is the only one Celine got which is popular worldwide ? Unlike MHWGO, AIWFCIY continue to make Chart History every year.MHWGO is dead since 1998…LMAO ! All I Want For Christmas Is You sold over 12 million worldwide ! Whereas My Heart Will Go One sales are close to 10 million worldwide !

    No matter if I am a bitch or not ,I carry out my acts and my behavior completely.Anyway, that’s would change nothing to Mariah’s sale and artistical supremacy over Celine and Madonna.Anyway ,we are here to talk about those ladies,not about me nor you . Hahahaha! It seem that nobody want to have sex with you.That’s why you talk about sex as if it was an unattainable purpose/thing like you would talk about a very expensive Diamond Jewel or an impressive amount of money,10 million of dollars for example.Hahaha! Sex is so cheap and so easy ! Just leave your PC and try to get some relations ships then you could have an idea about life,like every normal guy.Life is beautifuuuuuuuuuuuul !!! !
    The World is important (on music sales ) when we consider US on it.If we just remove US,the rest of the world become insignificant ! See why you are idiot ?
    Yes weirdo,I brought facts here unlike you ! You brought 0 facts here,only biased links and sources and lies ! You can’t dare talk about facts as you never brought any here ! The ONLY ONE fact you brought here is the one that Celine is more successful on concerts Tickets sales and tours than Mariah,NOTHING ELSE !
    You said “I used to repeat
    other people lines when I was in Junior High School.” Really? Oh so you make an huge point over Celine,she began so young in music,that she dropped out even her Junior High School.About you,I think that you are very retarded for someone who has already surpass this level !
    After Whitney Houston,Mariah own the title ”The Voice” since 1990’s ! Both were and stay till now the GREATEST POP VOCALISTS THAT EVER LIVED !!!!! Mariah is the only one vocalist to deserve this UNIQUE NICKNAME,since Whitney Houston ! She even surpass Whitney ! Sorry hater,you can nothing on this ! Yes MARIAH CAREY IS THE VOICE !!!
    Mariah has 5 Pop albums : Mariah Carey , Music Box,Merry Christmas,Daydream,Merry Christmas II You. (Emotions is an Pop/R&B album). Mariah is also a Pop/Rock singer! She had many Pop/Rock songs like Someday,You Need Me.Emotions,Christmas Baby Please Come Home,etc…
    Yes,a huge artist like Mariah won’t be limited in what she sing,that’s why she’s credited for every musical genres !

    Music Box surpass Let’s Talk About Love and Falling Into You
    Since always ! There is nowhere worldwide Music Box doesn’t slays LTAL and FIY on popularity and sales ,proved by worldwide sales ! Music Box stay Music Box !
    You said Mariah need to make sexy videos to sell her music unlike Celine ? Celine has her own tricks and shrewdness to sell ( pull faces, comedic attitude, humorous jokes, clown moves,etc…).So it’s DELUSIONAL ,SILLY and PATHETIC to say that Celine doesn’t need to be beautiful and sexy to sells her videos in her music!
    The Voice was , is and will be a beautiful,sexy lady ,
    most people emulate,dream and respect.
    RIAA count albums in US not Billboard ! Billboard is based on estimations like IFPI,etc… Only RIAA really count albums sold !
    If Mariah sold 32m singles in Us it would mean that Madonna sold 9 million singles in US and Celine 7 million singles in US according to their respective Platinum certifications by RIAA ! So simple !
    About your delusional and pathetic post that “Celine sold 51m In Us (51m Certified) , 60m Europe
    (Award in early March 2003 for sales of over 50m) ,
    4m Oceania , 15m Canada (6 Diamond Certified Albums) ,
    Almost 10m Africa (Award for becoming best seller in
    2008) , 9m Japan “

    I claim Mariah sold 50 m albums in Europe (26m certified), 75m in US,4m Oceania,35 m in Japan,9m Canada,Almost 8 million in Africa.
    Yes, just search data from S.America and rest of Asia,as you have no life for your own.Continue to spend your time on searching infos for blogs and forums about these female legends ! You’d better start you searches by European sales,cause they are doubtful !
    By the way,How do a normal man or boy could ever drop out hobbies (friends,meeting girls,club,beach,sports,outing,etc…) by spending entire days to search infos and links on internet about musical legends ? I can’t imagine this ! Then you’ll talk about people who needed life? Stupid NEARD I have pity on you !
    You brought an impressive amount of links ! Really silly ! But who create these links ? WHO ? Some machines ? Where? In which planet?
    I repeat for you wrinkled hunchbacked that these links are partials and biased.Continue your researches,maybe someday you’ll finally find objective links ! Don’t forget to take care of your life instead of living through Celine and Madonna’s own achievements ! Do your own achievements .

  57. MOFF says:

    Prove your sales, Trish and I’ll believe it.

  58. MOFF says:

    Trish, how can you dare saying that Madonna has sold “just” 170 million albums?
    How can you get such a number ?
    If you look at shutups list, you’ll see that Madonna has sold around 200 million albums !!!
    Madonna’s sales are very accurate and are calculated very exactly.
    You can see the sales of each continent/nation and you can see a number of 200 million albums!
    Can you do the same for Mariah?
    Example: True Blue

    USA: 7.500.000
    Canada: 1.650.000
    Brazil: 700.000
    Mexico: 250.000
    Argentina: 300.000
    America: 10.600.000

    UK: 2.300.000
    France: 1.700.000
    Germany: 1.250.000
    Italy: 1.350.000
    Austria: 115.000
    Belgium: 100.000
    Finland: 55.000
    Greece: 100.000
    Netherlands: 350.000
    Spain: 325.000
    Sweden: 125.000
    Switzerland: 200.000
    EUROPE: 9.350.000

    Australia: 300.000
    New Zealand: 75.000
    Oceania: 375.000

    Japan: 1.100.000
    Hong Kong: 20.000
    Singapore: 100.000
    Taiwan: 500.000
    Asia: 2.500.000
    Rest: 475.000
    Total: 23.300.000

    Do you think any number os decreased or inflated?
    Look at the certifications and you know very well that Certifications don’t mean the exact number.
    You surely see that True Blue has sold OVER 22 million in all cases, your number of 18 – 19 million is completely wrong Trish.
    Do that for Mariah Carey’s albums, please!
    Why did Mariah’s record company claim 200 million records ???? (2010)
    Because they counted wrong ????
    Trish ! Open your eyes!
    Guinness NEVER claimed 380,338,300 million ALBUMS for Madonna, and IF – give me a proof for that.
    I know that I was posting and believing what debaters say, but right now I don’t know where that rumour came from …
    I can’t see any proof for this, so please stop posting such lies.
    Guinness officially claimed 200 million albums for Madonna! END OF STORY.

    We don’t have proofs for A New Day sold less then TEOM and your sh***y 12 million for AIWFCIY isn’t proved as well.

    Trish should be deleted !!

  59. tane says:

    truth is Madonna is a bigger seller

    followed by Mariah Carey and then Celine Dion!

    but Mariah is a true artist!

    its true I’ve been influenced by Celine Dion as well but I’m just a bgger fan of Mariah Carey!

    so yeah:)

    but ill always defend Mariah when there’s something fake about your guys posts!!!

  60. LuckyLuke says:

    TRISH

    1.Open the links and then tell me why they are biased.

    I want an explaination for EACH ONE of the 50 links I

    brought.

    2.A New Day Has Come charted higher than TEOM worldwide

    exept for Us.They are equal.Even if TEOM suprasses

    ANDHC , still Celine is ahead.

    3.If IFPI lies about Mousxouri (which is not true) this

    doesn’t affect its certification system. IFPI data

    is pretty much exact for album sales the past

    20 years on artists that clear sell platinum albums

    in Europe , like Madonna , Celine and Mariah. If you

    just call IFPI partial , then why do you say Mariah

    sold 26m in Europe ? You say this because it is

    proved by her IFPI certifications. If you don’t trust

    IFPI at all, then you give me the right to claim

    that Mariah sold 12m in Europe (for instance) since

    IFPI lies. Or 50m in Europe (another example) since

    IFPI is not to be trusted.

    4.Mariah recieved more votes in Us magazines for her

    voice. Of course Mariah has more fans in Us. Madonna

    is not vocalist so she was not included at all.

    5.You didn’t prove anything on Guinness Book of Records.

    You just lie that it mentioned more sales for Madonna

    in the past. Why should I believe you ? You also lie

    that Mariah sold more than Madonna in Oceania.

    6.You said Billboard is bigger for Madonna and Celine.

    No…this is a mistake. Celine and Madonna sold more

    in Europe. I have already told you my opinion on

    Europeans and Mariah so don’t post what Shutup

    said , just to make a point. Mariah has no success

    in my country , but I am a fan. My best friend is a

    devoted lamb..! It is easier to build a career when

    you become huge in Billboard but you don’t seem

    to understand what we tell you at all !!

    Us = 1m for platinum , Eur = 1m for platinum.

    More sales come from Us because you don’t have to appeal

    to different cultures. Billboard is coherent compared

    to Europe.

    7.Nobody agrees with you.Since I have understood

    you nickname game there is no point at all to say so.

    Even tane came to this debate and said Mariah sold

    150m by 2003.so she doesn’t agree with you.She also

    said Celine sold more albums than Mariah.so don’t tell

    me that everyone insists with you ! One month ago

    2 lambs entered here and agreed Madonna sold more

    than Mariah and just said that Mariah’s sales

    are more impressive cause they come from less albums.

    So stop insisting that people think Mariah sold

    300m records. It is you and only you ! This

    myth is proved by nothing,not even internet ”biased”

    links.

    8.I would insist my position TRISH. Go back and read

    my very first comment in this debate when I posted

    clearly that Madonna sold more than Celine and Celine

    more than Mariah, BUT that I consider Celine’s and

    Mariah’s sales more impressive. My opinion that

    I am a Celine and Mariah fan is clear and neither

    MOFF , nor shutup attacked me for this. And as of

    March 2011 , I INSIST that I am more impressed

    by Mariah’s achievements compared to Madonna’s.

    (not in touring of course)…Now,go back and

    read my first posts here. I posted it clearly.

    9.Celine sold almost 60m albums in Europe and 25m

    singles there.Now let me ask you…shall I explain

    how Celine reaches these sales or you’re gonna

    say that IFPI is biased ? I told you I have collected

    data for Celine’s Us , Canadian and European sales

    already.For a start…learn that Celine suprassed

    the 50m mark in European sales by late 2002 and she

    was officially awarded for this.She is the 2nd best

    selling female artist in Europe , behind Madonna.

    10.Mariah doesn’t suprass Celine at all. Celine suprasses

    Mariah in album sales , DVD sales and tours ! Mariah

    is ahead of Celine for 5m singles the most. Celine can

    easily suprass the woman that sold sth more than 4m

    with 4 different releases between 2008-2010.

    11.Mariah’s breakdown was an asnwer to the mean things

    you said about Celine’s life.You say Celine married an

    old man to become a huge superstar. Sorry…Celine

    married Rene AFTER she was famous. She had already

    recieved Grammy and Academy awards & had a stable

    N.America and French career.

    12.You say ”Every artists have manager and label to

    boost their career,not just Tommy BOOSTED Mariah’s

    career.TOMMY MOTTOLA BOOSTED CELINE’S CAREER AS WELL AS

    MARIAH’S !!!”

    But Celine didn’t marry him ! Lmao ! Sony Bmg took

    notice of Celine only after Falling Into You. Celine

    had Rene as the only manager till then.

    13.I didn’t ask your opinion on Celine projects you

    dumb ass..! You asked mine opinion on Mariah’s sales.

    So I don’t give a sh** if you don’t like Celine’s

    albums. You still copy paste my answers ? How pathetic.

    14.You Celine did huge tours this decade to promote

    her albums ? Bitch are you dreaming or sth ?

    She did Vegas shows and this had nothing to

    do with promotion of ”One Heart” , ”Miracle”

    , ”1 Fille & 4 Types” , ”On ne change pas” ,

    ”D’Elles” ! NOTHING..!

    15.You asked for links dear TRISH ! And I gave you

    50 links. And now you post questions OVER the links ?

    I only accept questions for each link seperately.

    They come from different sources so I can’t give

    an answer to explain all of them at once.

    You have a problem with all 50 of my links ?

    I seriously doubt you checked them.

    16.You think IFPI lies on Mariah’s sales because

    most of her albums are platinum ? This is

    RIDICULOUS !!! You will never see me impling sth

    similar to this on Celine.

    17.Don’t repeat the links are biased.Explein WHY

    they are biased like I did with Tane’s links.

    18.I don’t repeat sales facts at all TRISH. If I did

    so I would insist that Celine sold over 200m ALBUMS

    by 2007 like her label said. Am I a parrot ? NO…!!

    19.Don’t say AIWFCIY sold 12m copies. Explain

    with certifications how it reaches this point.

    Celine’s song reached number 1 everywhere,unlike

    Mariah’s. Most notable charts

    —-> Us Hot 100 Airplay = Number 1 for 10w

    —>United World Chart = Number 1 for 16w

    —->Eurochart = Number 1 for 17w

    My Heart Will Go On sold 700k psychical copies in Us

    & 7m in Europe & 500k in Japan & 150k In Australia

    (2 Platinum in Japan & Australia). This without

    counting sales from Asia , Africa and S.America

    & without counting didgital downloads.

    —-> My Heart Will Go On sold at least 11m copies.

    20.You kept talking about me so I insulted back…

    I agree we should only focus on these 3 ladies.

    21.”The World is important (on music sales ) when we

    consider US on it.If we just remove US,the rest of the

    world become insignificant ! See why you are idiot ?”

    So the world in not significant if we count sales

    coming from Europe and Asia and and Oceania and Africa

    and Canada and S.America !

    See why you are so fu**ing stupid ?

    22.You brought 0 facts ! You just keep repeating Mariah

    sold 300m worldwide ! This contradicts

    with Columbia Records (130m by 2000) , World Music Awards

    (150m by 2003) , Island Def Jam (200m+ records till

    2010)

    , Certifications and everything claimed by awards

    or Guinness Book Of Records.You contradict with all these

    and instead of ziping you big ignorant mouth for a moment

    you try to prove these are all fake and biased info.

    And what strikes me the most is the fact that you

    can’t prove where Mariah sold her 200m albums !

    In which countries etc by bringing certifications.

    It is unbelievable that you proudly mention her Asian

    sales and still don’t know who certifies albums there.

    So no…if you bring facts here , I will know,trust me.

    23.”I used to repeat other people lines when I was

    in Junior High School” ! This goes to you ! Not Celine.

    You are the one that tries to be sarcastic by

    copy pasting my answers.

    24.”After Whitney Mariah owns the title ”the voice”

    !! Ha ha ha ! Ok I rest my case on this. I am happy

    enough that Celine shares her talent on tours and

    successful albums. Mariah shared her talent with

    her management team in studios and nobody buys her

    records anymore (E=MC2 , Memoirs , Ballads , MC2U)

    and she doesn’t tour.

    25.Mariah Carey (Vision Of Love , Prisoner , You Need Me ,
    Sent From Up Above , Someday) is not a Pop Album.There

    just some pop songs in it. / Daydream is not pop at all.

    (Fantasy , Melt Away , Underneath The Stars ,

    One Sweet Day , Daydream , I am Free , Always Be My Baby

    , Long Ago are far away from being called pop)

    The only rock songs (or rock influenced)

    in Mariah’s career are —>

    Someday , Prisoner , You Need Me , Open Arms ,

    Bringing on the heartbreak. She is not a rock singer

    at all.

    26.Music Box sold 10m Us , 700k Canada , 7m Europe ,

    2.2m Japan , 1.4m Australia. Falling Into You sold

    11m Us , 1.2m Canada (say 1m) , 9m Europe , 1m Japan

    and 1m Australia. Prove Mariah’s Asian sales to

    prove Music Box sold more than FIY , cause by these

    certifications Falling Into You is AHEAD of Music Box

    for over 2m copies. Now, prove by certifications

    how Music Box sells over FIY.

    27.I Never saw Celine’s comedic attitude in her videos.

    Celine did everything because of her voice and

    great personality. Mariah needs to show her body

    to sell records the past 12 years.She was better in the

    90s when her Voice did it all & she had some sexy and

    CLASSY videos ( I don’t wanna cry , the roof , my all).

    Now her videos are sexy and CHEAP (Obsessed , Touch My

    Body , Hateu , Up Out my face) and so on.

    28.To be exact…RIAA certifies shipments.Nielsen

    Soundscan counts exact copies since 1991.

    29.You say ”f Mariah sold 32m singles in Us it would

    mean that Madonna sold 9 million singles in US and

    Celine 7 million singles in US according to their

    respective Platinum certifications by RIAA ! So simple!”

    This theory makes no sense because Madonna has more

    top 10 hits than Mariah. Moreover 32m for Mariah

    come from her platinum , gold , and non-certified

    singles.

    30.I search data cause I don’t want to post crap in

    here like you,with no certifications and facts.

    Celine has indeed 51m certified albums in Us !

    Do you think this is a lie or something ?

    Celine indeed recieved an IFPI special award in 2003

    for selling over 50m in Europe !

    Do you think I made this up ?

    Mariah has 18P certifications and Europe and we all

    claim she sold 26m in total in Europe. Is this a lie

    too ?

    31.I don’t drop out hobbies at all.And all in all

    this is none of your business.I won’t talk about

    my life and of course I won’t call myself

    ”smart , beautiful and sexy” like you said

    about yourself in this DEBATE Blog.

    32.The links are from planet Earth.Maybe you should

    take a visit on this planet. It is cool :D

    33.”Objective links” ? what’s that ? A link

    that will prove Mariah sold over Madonna ?

    Well…TRISH…why don’t you bring a link here ?

    Oups…sorry , I know ! BECAUSE THERE ARE 0

    LINKS TO PROVE THE BULLSH** YOU POST !!

    34.I only repeat that Celine’s sales coming from

    Canada (15m) , Us (54m) , Europe (60m) , Japan (9m)

    ,Africa (10m) and Oceania (4m) are calculated exactly

    and are based on certifications. When you stop

    posting stupid theories without certifications

    I will share them here.You see, I can’t prove

    Celine’s European sales when you don’t trust

    IFPI.Finally,explain to us how Mariah sells 300m

    worldwide , since you are the one that contradicts

    with insitutions.(Columbia Records , Island Def Jam

    , Mediatraffic , IFPI , World Music Awards)

    I only contradict with YOUR

    so called ”facts” and ”objective links”

    and ”detailed datas” ..!

    35.Susan Boyle is seriously overrated. At least

    you posted sth right.

  61. The Reason says:

    @ TRISH

    (I repost)

    1.Open the links and then tell me why they are biased.

    I want an explaination for each of the 50 links I

    brought.

    2.A New Day Has Come charted higher than TEOM worldwide

    exept for Us.They are equal.Even if TEOM suprasses

    ANDHC , still Celine is ahead.

    3.If IFPI lies about Mousxouri (which is not true) this

    doesn’t affect its certification system. IFPI data

    is pretty much exact for album sales the past

    20 years on artists that clear sell platinum albums

    in Europe , like Madonna , Celine and Mariah. If you

    just call IFPI partial , then why do you say Mariah

    sold 26m in Europe ? You say this because it is

    proved by her IFPI certifications. If you don’t trust

    IFPI at all, then you give me the right to claim

    that Mariah sold 12m in Europe (for instance) since

    IFPI lies. Or 50m in Europe (another example) since

    IFPI is not to be trusted.

    4.Mariah recieved more votes in Us magazines for her

    voice. Of course Mariah has more fans in Us. Madonna

    is not vocalist so she was not included at all.

    5.You didn’t prove anything on Guinness Book of Records.

    You just lie that it mentioned more sales for Madonna

    in the past. Why should I believe you ? You also lie

    that Mariah sold more than Madonna in Oceania.

    6.You said Billboard is bigger for Madonna and Celine.

    No…this is a mistake. Celine and Madonna sold more

    in Europe. I have already told you my opinion on

    Europeans and Mariah so don’t post what Shutup

    said , just to make a point. Mariah has no success

    in my country , but I am a fan. My best friend is a

    devoted lamb..! It is easier to build a career when

    you become huge in Billboard but you don’t seem

    to understand what we tell you at all !!

    Us = 1m for platinum , Eur = 1m for platinum.

    More sales come from Us because you don’t have to appeal

    to different cultures. Billboard is coherent compared

    to Europe.

    7.Nobody agrees with you.Since I have understood

    you nickname game there is no point at all to say so.

    Even tane came to this debate and said Mariah sold

    150m by 2003.so she doesn’t agree with you.She also

    said Celine sold more albums than Mariah.so don’t tell

    me that everyone insists with you ! One month ago

    2 lambs entered here and agreed Madonna sold more

    than Mariah and just said that Mariah’s sales

    are more impressive cause they come from less albums.

    So stop insisting that people think Mariah sold

    300m records. It is you and only you ! This

    myth is proved by nothing,not even internet ”biased”

    links.

    8.I would insist my position TRISH. Go back and read

    my very first comment in this debate when I posted

    clearly that Madonna sold more than Celine and Celine

    more than Mariah, BUT that I consider Celine’s and

    Mariah’s sales more impressive. My opinion that

    I am a Celine and Mariah fan is clear and neither

    MOFF , nor shutup attacked me for this. And as of

    March 2011 , I INSIST that I am more impressed

    by Mariah’s achievements compared to Madonna’s.

    (not in touring of course)…Now,go back and

    read my first posts here. I posted it clearly.

    9.Celine sold almost 60m albums in Europe and 25m

    singles there.Now let me ask you…shall I explain

    how Celine reaches these sales or you’re gonna

    say that IFPI is biased ? I told you I have collected

    data for Celine’s Us , Canadian and European sales

    already.For a start…learn that Celine suprassed

    the 50m mark in European sales by late 2002 and she

    was officially awarded for this.She is the 2nd best

    selling female artist in Europe , behind Madonna.

    10.Mariah doesn’t suprass Celine at all. Celine suprasses

    Mariah in album sales , DVD sales and tours ! Mariah

    is ahead of Celine for 5m singles the most. Celine can

    easily suprass the woman that sold sth more than 4m

    with 4 different releases between 2008-2010.

    11.Mariah’s breakdown was an asnwer to the mean things

    you said about Celine’s life.You say Celine married an old

    man to become a huge superstar. Sorry…Celine married

    Rene AFTER she was famous. She had already recieved

    Grammy and Academy awards & had a stable N.America

    and French career.

    12.You say ”Every artists have manager and label to boost
    their career,not just Tommy BOOSTED Mariah’s career.TOMMY
    MOTTOLA BOOSTED CELINE’S CAREER AS WELL AS MARIAH’S !!!”

    But Celine didn’t marry him ! Lmao ! Sony Bmg took

    notice of Celine only after Falling Into You. Celine

    had Rene as the only manager till then.

    13.I didn’t ask your opinion on Celine projects you

    dumb ass..! You asked mine opinion on Mariah’s sales.

    So I don’t give a sh** if you don’t like Celine’s

    albums. You still copy paste my answers ? How pathetic.

    14.You Celine did huge tours this decade to promote

    her albums ? Bitch are you dreaming or sth ?

    She did Vegas shows and this had nothing to

    do with promotion of ”One Heart” , ”Miracle”

    , ”1 Fille & 4 Types” , ”On ne change pas” ,

    ”D’Elles” ! NOTHING..!

    15.You asked for links dear TRISH ! And I gave you

    50 links. And now you post questions OVER the links ?

    I only accept questions for each link seperately.

    They come from different sources so I can’t give

    an answer to explain all of them at once.

    You have a problem with all 50 of my links ?

    I seriously doubt you checked them.

    16.You think IFPI lies on Mariah’s sales because

    most of her albums are platinum ? This is

    RIDICULOUS !!! You will never see me impling sth

    similar to this on Celine.

    17.Don’t repeat the links are biased.Explein WHY

    they are biased like I did with Tane’s links.

    18.I don’t repeat sales facts at all TRISH. If I did

    so I would insist that Celine sold over 200m ALBUMS

    by 2007 like her label said. Am I a parrot ? NO…!!

    19.Don’t say AIWFCIY sold 12m copies. Explain

    with certifications how it reaches this point.

    Celine’s song reached number 1 everywhere,unlike

    Mariah’s. Most notable charts

    —-> Us Hot 100 Airplay = Number 1 for 10w

    —>United World Chart = Number 1 for 16w

    —->Eurochart = Number 1 for 17w

    My Heart Will Go On sold 700k psychical copies in Us

    & 7m in Europe & 500k in Japan & 150k In Australia

    (2 Platinum in Japan & Australia). This without

    counting sales from Asia , Africa and S.America

    & without counting didgital downloads.

    —-> My Heart Will Go On sold at least 11m copies.

    20.You kept talking about me so I insulted back…

    I agree we should only focus on these 3 ladies.

    21.”The World is important (on music sales ) when we
    consider US on it.If we just remove US,the rest of the

    world become insignificant ! See why you are idiot ?”

    So the world in not significant if we count sales

    coming from Europe and Asia and and Oceania and Africa

    and Canada and S.America !

    See why you are so fu**ing stupid ?

    22.You brought 0 facts ! You just keep repeating Mariah

    sold 300m worldwide ! This contradicts

    with Columbia Records (130m by 2000) , World Music Awards

    (150m by 2003) , Island Def Jam (200m+ records till 2010)

    , Certifications and everything claimed by awards

    or Guinness Book Of Records.You contradict with all these

    and instead of ziping you big ignorant mouth for a moment

    you try to prove these are all fake and biased info.

    And what strikes me the most is the fact that you

    can’t prove where Mariah sold her 200m albums !

    In which countries etc by bringing certifications.

    It is unbelievable that you proudly mention her Asian

    sales and still don’t know who certifies albums there.

    So no…if you bring facts here , I will know,trust me.

    23.”I used to repeat other people lines when I was

    in Junior High School” ! This goes to you ! Not Celine.

    You are the one that tries to be sarcastic by

    copy pasting my answers.

    24.”After Whitney Mariah owns the title ”the voice”

    !! Ha ha ha ! Ok I rest my case on this. I am happy

    enough that Celine shares her talent on tours and

    successful albums. Mariah shared her talent with

    her management team in studios and nobody buys her

    records anymore (E=MC2 , Memoirs , Ballads , MC2U)

    and she doesn’t tour.

    25.Mariah Carey (Vision Of Love , Prisoner , You Need Me ,

    Sent From Up Above , Someday) is not a Pop Album.There

    just some pop songs in it. / Daydream is not pop at all.

    (Fantasy , Melt Away , Underneath The Stars ,

    One Sweet Day , Daydream , I am Free , Always Be My Baby

    , Long Ago are far away from being called pop)

    The only rock songs (or rock influenced)

    in Mariah’s career are —>

    Someday , Prisoner , You Need Me , Open Arms ,

    Bringing on the heartbreak. She is not a rock singer

    at all.

    26.Music Box sold 10m Us , 700k Canada , 7m Europe ,

    2.2m Japan , 1.4m Australia. Falling Into You sold

    11m Us , 1.2m Canada (say 1m) , 9m Europe , 1m Japan

    and 1m Australia. Prove Mariah’s Asian sales to

    prove Music Box sold more than FIY , cause by these

    certifications Falling Into You is AHEAD of Music Box

    for over 2m copies. Now, prove by certifications

    how Music Box sells over FIY.

    27.I Never saw Celine’s comedic attitude in her videos.

    Celine did everything because of her voice and

    great personality. Mariah needs to show her body

    to sell records the past 12 years.She was better in the

    90s when her Voice did it all & she had some sexy and

    CLASSY videos ( I don’t wanna cry , the roof , my all).

    Now her videos are sexy and CHEAP (Obsessed , Touch My

    Body , Hateu , Up Out my face) and so on.

    28.To be exact…RIAA certifies shipments.Nielsen
    Soundscan counts exact copies since 1991.

    29.You say ”f Mariah sold 32m singles in Us it would mean
    that Madonna sold 9 million singles in US and Celine 7
    million singles in US according to their respective
    Platinum certifications by RIAA ! So simple!”

    This theory makes no sense because Madonna has more

    top 10 hits than Mariah. Moreover 32m for Mariah

    come from her platinum , gold , and non-certified

    singles.

    30.I search data cause I don’t want to post crap in

    here like you,with no certifications and facts.

    Celine has indeed 51m certified albums in Us !

    Do you think this is a lie or something ?

    Celine indeed recieved an IFPI special award in 2003

    for selling over 50m in Europe !

    Do you think I made this up ?

    Mariah has 18P certifications and Europe and we all

    claim she sold 26m in total in Europe. Is this a lie

    too ?

    31.I don’t drop out hobbies at all.And all in all

    this is none of your business.I won’t talk about

    my life and of course I won’t call myself

    ”smart , beautiful and sexy” like you said

    about yourself in this DEBATE Blog.

    32.The links are from planet Earth.Maybe you should

    take a visit on this planet. It is cool :D

    33.”Objective links” ? what’s that ? A link

    that will prove Mariah sold over Madonna ?

    Well…TRISH…why don’t you bring a link here ?

    Oups…sorry , I know ! BECAUSE THERE ARE 0

    LINKS TO PROVE THE BULLSH** YOU POST !!

    34.I only repeat that Celine’s sales coming from

    Canada (15m) , Us (54m) , Europe (60m) , Japan (9m)

    ,Africa (10m) and Oceania (4m) are calculated exactly

    and are based on certifications. When you stop

    posting stupid theories without certifications

    I will share them here.You see, I can’t prove

    Celine’s European sales when you don’t trust

    IFPI.Finally,explain to us how Mariah sells 300m

    worldwide , since you are the one that contradicts

    with insitutions.(Columbia Records , Island Def Jam

    , Mediatraffic , IFPI , World Music Awards)

    I only contradict with YOUR

    so called ”facts” and ”objective links”

    and ”detailed datas” ..!

    35.Mariah sold 32m singles in Us and it is proved by

    RIAA certifications,as of 2011. You can’t challenge

    that.

    36.Susan Boyle is seriously overrated. At least

    you posted sth right.

  62. TRISH says:

    ( I made a mistake on my last post,putting “best selling french artist” among Mariah’s innumerable Worldwide achievements).
    @Lucky Luke: You said “what you say is not real because you can’t
    prove it by certifications. Mariah sold 64m in Us ,
    26m in Europe , 5m Canada (The most) , 4m (The most)
    in Oceania and as TRISH claims over 50m in Asia
    —> 150m Albums without counting Africa & S.America.
    I don’t believe Mariah sold 45m in Africa and S.America”.
    Really ? Just make the same analyze about Celine’s and Madonna’s sales by certifications and you’ll see the same problem with their total sales.
    It is so simple.

    1. @Tane,you’re so right in everything you say ! Thanks to make us know that Mariah is also more richer than Celine.I ignored it because I concentrated my researches on Mariah’s achievements, sales and talent.
    Here is the Tane’s list of Mimi’s albums ,which is is very very close to the one I showed in the other post .With rectifications at both ,we have :
    1990 Mariah Carey US Sales: 9,7 million (19 million–worldwide)
    1991 Emotions US Sales: 5 million (14 million–worldwide)
    1992 ‘MTV Unplugged US Sales: 4 million (12 million–worldwide)
    1993 Music Box US Sales: 10.5million (32 million–worldwide)
    1994 ‘Merry Christmas US Sales: 5 million (17 million–worldwide)
    1995 Daydream US Sales: 11million (27 million–worldwide)
    1997 Butterfly US Sales: 5 million (17 million–worldwide)
    1998 ‘#1’s US Sales: 5 million (19 million–worldwide)
    1999 Rainbow US Sales: 3,7 million (12 million–worldwide)
    2001 Glitter US Sales: 1 million (5 million–worldwide)
    2001 ‘Greatest Hits US Sales: 1 million copies ( 5 million–worldwide)
    2002 Charmbracelet US Sales: 1.2 million (6 million–worldwide)
    2003 ‘The Remixes US Sales: 900,000 copies (1.8 million–worldwide)
    2005 The Emancipation Of Mimi US Sales :6.7 million (13 million worldwide )
    2008- 2010 : E=MC2 (3m) + The Ballads (1m) + Memoirs Of An Imperfect Angel (2 m) + Playlist ( 0.2m) + Merry Christmas II You (0.8m) = 7 m
    Total : 207 million albums.
    So Mariah’s global albums sales even surpass slightly 200 million sold worldwide ! Mariah is the undeniable winner !
    So Mariah beat Celine and Madonna on total sales,voice,talent,achievements,records,influence,legacy,contribution,popularity ! Celine and Madonna slays Mariah only in concert ticket sales ! Mariah Carey : best-selling female artist & greatest female artist of all times !

    Mariah ‘s main records :
    Mariah’s achievements are WORLDWIDE !

    *Best selling Female artist of all Times !
    *Best/Greatest Voice Ever !
    *Best selling non-Asian Artist in Asia
    *Best selling R&B artist
    *Best selling non-Asian artist in Asia

    *Best selling Christmas album

    *Best selling Christmas single

    *Best selling album in Japan
    *Best selling single in Japan

    * Best selling album in China

    *Best selling album in South Korea

    *Best selling album in Taiwan

    -Mariah’s Music Box,Daydream,Butterfly,# 1’s,Charmbracelet are the only western albums to pass 500 000 legal sales and more in China !.Music Box sold over 750 000 copies in China and is the best selling non-Asian album in that country.
    -#1’s is the best selling non-Asian album in Japan and Taiwan
    -Music Box is the best selling non-Asian album in South Korea ( Whitney Houston owns the second best selling album there )
    *Best selling artist overall of the 1990 decade
    *Best selling female artist of the whole last Millennium

    *Most certified Platinum singles in USA

    *Over 25 certified Gold singles in USA
    *Most albums certified 4x Platinum or better in USA,by a female artist

    * Most influencial female artist/singer worldwide

    * Most # 1 songs penned by a female songwriter

    * Most World Music Awards than any other artist overall
    *Most Popular Christmas Song

    * Most weeks cumulated atop the the Billboard Hot 100
    *Most weeks cumulated atop the Brazilian Hot 100 Singles

    * Most # 1 singles in Billboard Hot 100 Singles ( the largest Chart )
    *Most Popular Artist In Asia Continent
    *Most popular artist overall of the 1990 decade

    *Larger vocal range ever ( for having hit the highest vocal note ever and also the lower )

    • Second richest female singer of the world ( worth over 750 million )
    • And countless others achievements and records !

    Indeed,I realize how much Mariah is richer than Celine.Mariah owns huge part of the expensive royalties of her songs unlike Celine that owns 0 % from royalties .in the background of Gillette Venus , Mariah Carey signed an insurance deal about her legs,worthing 1 billion dollars !That’s proves how much she’s rich and her fortune is huge ! No doubt that she’s much more rich than Celine !
    About the Forbes’s list this creep skinny and bony spotty ass refers to, it doesn’t indicate the fortune of the celebrities ,but rather their income for just one year ! Nothing to do with the fortune neither the total of income cumulated by the celebrities all along their career ! Mariah is really more richer than Celine !

    Mariah Carey is the best selling female artist of all times and the greatest singer ever ! She kicks Madonna’s skinny and bony ass in the US,the greatest music market of the world ! Mariah got 27 certified gold singles and 15 certified Platinum singles in USA alongside a 20 years of career,Madonna got 25 certified gold singles and 4 certified Platinum singles there within 27 active years !
    Madonna got 17 certified gold albums in the US and 12 certified Platinum albums there,Mariah got 17 certified gold albums and 15 certified platinum albums in US ! And all this in a shorter time than Madonna and with less releases ! No doubt who is better in America ! Nowadays Mariah carey sold at least the same amount of albums than Madonna in USA ( the difference of 0.5 million that existed before the release of MC2Y between their total album sales,there is covered since 2010 by the release of Merry Christmas 2 You.Mariah’s official total albums sales is just not updated yet ) and much more singles ( undeniable ! Their respective certifications in Us proves it,and Mariah would also beat Madonna with her uncertified sales !).
    Mariah Carey is the most succesful female artist in USA !

  63. TRISH says:

    PS :there is just one thing by which I disagree with Tane : Madonna is not the top selling female artist,cause Mariah is ! Mariah sold more albums and more singles than Madonna.Madonna surpass Mariah only with concert ticket sales + records combined !

  64. The Reason says:

    @ TRASH

    You are only here to post crap.

    Mariah’s gold and platinum Us singles are :

    GOLD

    Vision of love , Someday , Love takes time ,

    Emotions , Can’t let go , Don’t forget about us ,

    Without you , When you believe , Loverboy ,

    Heartbreaker , Thank god I found you , Shake it off

    , It’s like that.

    PLATINUM

    Dreamlover , Hero , Fantasy (2p) ,

    One sweet day (2p) , All I want for xmas is you (2p) ,

    My all , Honey , I still believe ,

    We belong together , Touch my body , Obsessed ,

    !!!

    You said Mariah has 27 gold Us singles ?

    You are a big fat liar. Mariah has 13 Us gold singles.

    You are unable to talk here cause you are an obsessed

    liar.

    Mariah has 14 Platinum certifications = 14m at LEAST

    & 13 Gold Certifications = 7,5m at LEAST !

    If you add sales of her NON-certified singles you see

    she reaches the 32m mark like RIAA , Nielsen Sounscan

    and Billboard prove.

    You are a liar and nothing more.

    Can you give me a list where Mariah is shown ahead

    of Celine in incom ? NO ! Celine is the larger earner

    of this decade and even rocks know that ! How come

    Mariah ever suprass Celine in incom ? Oh yeah !

    I remember…she was kicked out of her label in 2002

    and was given MONEY to LEAVE…

    Hahahahahhahahahahahahahahhahahahaa

  65. MOFF says:

    Prove your sales with certifications.
    Trish, get out of here.

    Madonna is the best selling female artist of all time.
    Mariah is NOT, so simple.

  66. The Reason says:

    * Endless Love is also Gold.

    So Mariah 14 gold certifications in Us. (7m at least)

    Madonna sold 65m Us , 70m Europe (at least) , 5m Oceania

    , 8m Canada —> 148m without counting Asia (2nd best

    seller) , S.America (Best seller) , Africa (2nd best

    seller) …

    Need to say more ?

    TRISH , get lost. You lie about obvious things right

    now such as Mariah’s Us single certifications.

    Mariah has 27 top 10 hits in Us and sold 32m.

    Celine has 10 top 10 hits in Us and sold 12m.

    ( 1/3 of Mariah’s number of hits = 1/3 of her sales)

    Madonna has 37 top 10 hits in Us and sold 40m.

    In this case the P R O P O R T I O N S

    said it all.

  67. LuckyLuke says:

    @ tane / TRISH

    You are WRONG AGAIN !

    In May 2009,Celine Dion was named the 20th best-selling

    artist of the decade in the United States and the second-

    best-selling female artist of the decade in the United

    States, selling an estimated 17.57 million albums.

    In June 2009, Forbes Magazine reported that Dion earned

    $100 million during 2008.

    In December 2009, Pollstar announced that Dion was the

    best-selling solo touring act of the decade and the

    second-best-selling touring act of the decade, only to

    the Dave Matthews Band.

    Dion grossed $522.2 million during the decade, a large

    sum of that coming from her five-year residence at

    Caesars Palace.
    Concert film and video release: late 2009–2010

    In January 2010, The Los Angeles Times presented its

    annual list of the top ten largest earners of the year,

    and revealed that Celine Dion took the TOP spot for the

    entire decade, with $US747.9 million in total revenue

    from 2000-2009.The largest haul came in from

    ticket sales, totaling $522.2 million.

    On Top Of These Celine’s parfumes sold almost $US900

    million.

    You said Celine is worth 590m ! This is a big Lie ,

    cause as you see Celine earned 750m this decade

    without counting her parfumes , DVD sales.

    Mariah can’t compete with Celine in incom because

    Mariah doesn’t have incom from ticket sales.Plus

    NONE of Celine albums were commercial dissapointments

    for her label. Unlike Mariah , whose high budget

    fully promoted albums are considered epic failures

    by her label.For instance Glitter,was such a huge flop

    that she was given money to leave the label.

    Finally, even other lambs said Celine has more money

    than Mariah,so what you and TRISH mention is untrue,

    falsified and biased and once more you are unable

    to prove Mariah’s money.

    On top of all of these , Celine new recidency show

    is already sold out —> more money for Celine.

    Her tours were seen by 6m people this decade with

    tickets being overpriced..!

    Celine is the top earner. The 5th richer woman

    in entertainment , behind Madonna (4th) , Martha S. (3rd)

    , Rowling (2nd) and Oprah (1rst).

    Mariah is at number 6.

    gawker.com/#!229749/oprah-winfrey/forbes-annual-rich-ladies-list-reveals-madonnas-massive-orphanpurchasing-financial-reserves

    You’d better die than Calling Forbes partial !

    You’d better hit your head in a wall before calling

    LA Times biased ! If you do , you should know that

    you are UNABLE to participate in a debate.

    Think of it.

  68. LuckyLuke says:

    @ MOFF , Shutup

    mariahjournal.com/infozone/charts/singles/usa/index.shtml

    Please take a look at this. It contains Mariah’s

    sales accurately & is her biggest worldwide fan site.

    It has countless members/visitors and all of them

    accept the truth about her sales.

    This site and its info will help you reply to the

    lies of TRISH. For example she said Mariah has 15

    Platinum and 27 gold singles in Us, which is a shame.

    You can reply to this bitch by what it said by

    Mariah’s official sites. She had the nerve to call them

    partial in the past -.-‘ but at least both of you

    will know the exact truth. And leave that cu**

    screaming theories in here. Nobody cares,really.

  69. tane says:

    wow lukyluke do you have to lie about her fortune as well?

    and you are lying about her perfume sales as well and how much she groused from it! well I have to say this debate is about Mariah Carey and Madonna not Celine Dion so mover your little posted lies and put them somewhere else!

    and that’s not Mariah Careys main fan page this is: Mariahcarey.com/

    why do you lie about Mariah Careys main fan page? that just shows how much of a lie you are!! I should know because I’m a member!

  70. LuckyLuke says:

    @ tane

    Trish kept talking on Celine so I replied.

    The page I brought is OFFICIAL but this is another

    Official site as well. THANX for bringing it.

    Here are the info that are posted in the page YOU

    BROUGHT :

    2003 Career Awards

    World Music Awards – The Diamond Award in honor of over 150 million album sales worldwide
    Soul Train Awards – The Quincy Jones Award for Outstanding Career Achievements in the Field of Entertainment (female)
    RIAA Certification Award – Commemorative award recognizing more than 100 Gold, Platinum and multi-Platinum certifications.

    Bring me facts like I did to prove Mariah is richer

    than Celine.

    As you see Celine was richer in 2007 (Forbes List).

    How come Mariah is richer in 2011 after Celine grossed

    millions with her Taking Chances tour and her successful

    albums , while Mariah made 0 profit with her flopped

    consecutive albums ? You lie so much.

    I didn’t lie about Celine’s parfumes.

    Here :

    stylelist.com/2010/04/02/celine-dion-new-perfume-pure-brilliance/

    It is more than a FACT Celine’s parfumes made over

    850m dollars.

    If you IGNORE things , this doesn’t make ME a liar.

    . . . .

    On the pages again ! I am not a liar because BOTH PAGES

    Claim the same TRUE things..!

  71. ButterflyyyFL says:

    mariah is so betteer than Madonna,she sold 150 million albumsm and was given first the worldw music award..madonna is a nothign next to it!!mariah has 18 numbers ones at billboard, Madonna is slightly ahead because she’s 53 years old grannyy

  72. MOFF says:

    Madonna has 15 #s worldwide! Mariah just 4 !
    Madonna has sold 200 million albums, Mariah 165 million !
    Madonna has a Guinness World record citation !
    Mariah is nothing to Madonna in case of record sales!

  73. shutup says:

    @ oh trash get in treatment. your just so jeloys that Madonna has sold more than Mariah. I said 75 million albums for Madonna in Europe and 45 million singles. learn to read

  74. shutup says:

    actually mof Madonna has 18 worldwide number ones:)

  75. TRISH says:

    TRISH
    With twenty years in the music industry, Carey has the following RIAA achievements:
    RIAA Certifications ( 130 in total ) :
    Album: 17 Gold, 15 Platinum, 10 Multi-platinum, 2 Diamond. Singles: 25 Gold, 15 Platinum, 4 Multi-platinum. Videos: 7 Gold, 6 Platinum.
    ? As of December 2006, Carey’s single “All I Want For Christmas Is You” became the largest selling holiday themed ringtone in history with digital sales surpassing 500, 000 downloads making it certified gold by the RIAA.

    Worlwide Best Female Singles Sellers
    1-Mariah Carey
    2- Madonna
    3- Whitney Houston
    4- Lady Gaga
    5- Britney Spears
    6- Beyonce
    7- Shakira
    8-Janet Jackson
    9-Christina Aguilera
    10-Celine Dion

    ? If Mariah sold 55 million singles worldwide,that would mean Celine sold 20m – 25 million ones worldwide.If Celine sold 40m -50million singles worldwide,that means The Voice sold 90m -100 million ones worldwide ! It’s so logic and so simple !

    ? Mariah Carey features the cover of many magazines worldwide,even in Europe. Both French Magazines Gala and Voici respectively rank Mariah as the 8th and 10th most beautiful woman of the world.
    ? Mariah Carey is one of most media covered artists of the 2000 decade .She receive more media coverage than the international female artists of her generation ( Madonna,Celine Dion,Whitney Houston,Janet Jackson,etc..).She’s among the young international female stars like Britney Spears,Beyonce Knowles,Lady Gaga,Rihanna,etc…that are the most media covered.

    Mariah Carey outsells Celine and Madonna by far on home video sales worldwide ( DVD,VHS,etc…) as she sold over 9,5 million home videos just in US ,only with certified sales! So ,with uncertified sales, her videos reach approximately 15 million the less,just for the US !!! We can imagine easily her amount of video sales worldwide ! So Mariah is by far the best female seller of home videos in the world !
    About fortune,Mariah is richer than Celine,proven by Tane’s source and also by Mariah’s achievements.Mariah started to collect impressive amount of incomes many years before Celine ! Celine started to have impressive income only by late 1990’s.So it’s logical that Mariah is ahead of her on fortune .Mariah always had various sources of income not only from music ,unlike Celine and was ahead Celine in the 90’s with a respectacble difference.That’s why Celine can’t cath up with her,even if she waste her voice in endless concerts and tours all along the 2000 decade !
    -Since 1991,Mariah realized promotions for many brands and commercial labels, especially Japanese ( lipsticks,jewerlly,etc….) and Americans.She took part at fashion parades for Tommy Hilfiger .And also for Versace.In 2006 She realized promotions for Pepsi,Intel,etc…she created a twenty of ringtones for Motorola Cell Phones,she make promotions for the Italian fashion label Pinko and worked as a model for this European brand.She also took part in fashion shows in 2008 next to other female stars like Rihanna and Beyonce.
    Mariah’s first perfume “ M By Mariah Carey “ was the best selling perfume of 2006 and was also voted best perfume of the year !
    Mariah also get income from her acting career.She made cameo appearances in many films and holds major role in others.She writes,compose and produce songs for herself and also for many other artists since 1995 ! She also wrote songs for films ( Men In Black,How The Grinch Stole Christmas ,etc…). She also have incomes from her lingeries and women’s underwear sales.Mariah animates and sings in private parties of millionaires and billionaires personalities for huge fees ( For example,she earned over 1 million dollars in 2006 for singing in a private party in front of a hundred of personalities,one night).In the background of Gillette Venus , Mariah Carey signed an insurance deal about her legs,worthing 1 billion dollars ! 1 BILLION DOLLARS ! No doubt,Mariah’s fortune surpass 1 billion dollar by far .That’s proves how much she’s rich and her fortune is huge ! No doubt that she’s much more rich than Celine .Only Madonna can surpass her in fortune ,as Madonna was active many years before her ! Mariah is the second richest female singer of the world !

  76. TRISH says:

    -Mariah is the best seller of singles in USA,proven by her RIAA certifications there.She surpass Madonna by far on this ( Madonna : 4 platinum singles and 25 gold singles there,Mariah : 15 platinum singles there and 25 gold singles ).
    You said yourself ( and many other debarters on Popdirt blogs ) that Nana Mouskouri sold 200 million albums worldwide IN ACCORDANCE WITH IFPI,aside of Madonna and Celine Dion.
    No,not only estimations would be made on Nana sales,IFPI should be able to count every Mouskouri’s sales in Europe ,no matter if they are 10,50 ,400 or 700 albums since this is its work and purpose.Otherwise,IFPI’s datas are not reliable.I proved that Nana Mouskouri’s total sales reach barely 50 million .
    France 12 million ( her best market worldwide )
    UK 4m
    Greece 3,5m ( best-selling artist there )
    Canada 3m
    Rest of Europe 5-10 million
    Nana never integrated Billboard Chart’s sales ! She’s a minor seller in all the rest of the world and has sold less albums in Asia,Latin America,USA ,Africa and Oceania than any artist from the 20 best-selling female artists of all times rank.
    So ,her ( insignificant ) sales in US and Latin America,Oceania,Asia and Africa stands at 10-15 million the very most !
    You say that if I challenge IFPI’s claim about Nana and Celine’s sales,I should also challenge IFPI’s claims about Mariah’s 26 million albums sold in Europe .Yes,I do cause everything proves Mariah had sold much more than this amount in Europe .Mariah’s sales all over a continent ( Europe ) ties with her total sales in a single Asian country ( Japan ) !
    Mariah also outsold Celine everywhere else in the Pacific !Mariah sold not only more albums than Celine in Australia,but also much more singles than her there ! So,Oceania and Latin America are markets Mariah sold much more than Celine.Mariah is also much more popular in these continents than Celine.
    You wrote for Celine : “ best selling female artist of all times “.This proves how reliable you are.
    Besides,you always said the same for Madonna ! And you also use to put highest total sales for Madonna than for Celine ! Hahaha !
    You can’t prove what you claimed about Celine’s voice,legacy,contribution,francophone,etc…
    .

    Mariah Carey ( Unlike Celine ) really accomplished these feats and was not just awarded for them.Her contributions are much more than just citations and Awards ,they are facts ! So Mariah got before all ,FACTS as credits for those achievements unlike Celine !
    *Best selling Female artist of all Times !
    *Best/Greatest Voice Ever !
    *Best selling non-Asian Artist in Asia
    *Best selling R&B artist
    *Best selling Christmas album
    *Best selling Christmas single
    *Best selling album in Japan
    *Best selling single in Japan
    * Best selling album in China
    *Best selling album in South Korea
    *Best selling album in Taiwan
    -Mariah’s Music Box,Daydream,Butterfly,# 1’s,Charmbracelet are the only western albums to pass 500 000 legal sales and more in China !.Music Box sold over 750 000 copies in China and is the best selling non-Asian album in that country.
    -#1’s is the best selling non-Asian album in Japan and Taiwan
    -Music Box is the best selling non-Asian album in South Korea ( Whitney Houston owns the second best selling album there )
    *Best selling artist overall of the 1990 decade
    *Best selling female artist of the whole last Millennium
    *Most certified Platinum singles in USA
    *Over 25 certified Gold singles in USA
    *Most albums certified 4x Platinum or better in USA,by a female artist
    * Most influencial female artist/singer worldwide
    * Most # 1 songs penned by a female songwriter
    * Most World Music Awards than any other artist overall
    *Most Popular Christmas Song
    * Most weeks cumulated atop the the Billboard Hot 100
    *Most weeks cumulated atop the Brazilian Hot 100 Singles
    * Most # 1 singles in Billboard Hot 100 Singles ( the largest Chart )
    *Most Popular Artist In Asia Continent
    *Most popular artist overall of the 1990 decade
    *Larger vocal range ever ( for having hit the highest vocal note ever and also the lower )
    • Second richest female singer of the world
    • And countless others achievements and records !

    I can’t imagine you said that Tane’s sources are not reliable whereas you never stop to ask me for links.Do you want to make me waste my time on giving links that you will refute ? What did you say about the list of 100 best selling albums by NRJ.com ? About the link Mariah Carey Chart Achievements ? All the links posted by Tane ? So,every sources claiming something favorable about Mimi over Celine and Madonna is not reliable and not to be trusted ! Very right statement ! You’re really in place to judge about validity of sources and links !
    You said to Tane:
    “ she called Celine : clown , ugly , average
    singer , same level with Britney , comedian , 0 legacy.
    Can you name when I said sth mean about Mariah ? This
    will help you see who is the fanatic here.”
    I remind you that you called Mariah “Cheap Whore,bitch, Cow, Fat,same level than Rihanna,that she dress half naked to sells videos,that she marry a musical executive for beign popular and get 11 number 1 Hits in US,That she drop her level when she sang with rappers and Hip Hop artists ( Jay-Z, Nikki Minaj, etc… ),that MC achievements are in US,that she sings crap ( R&B,Hip Hop ,etc…)
    Besides,you insult every lambs when you try to deny that Mimi surpass Celine in Voice,contribution,skills,influence,sales,etc…
    This is you who is the fanatic here,not me ! At least,I always admit Celine beats The Voice on Tours in ticket concerts sales !
    You and Moff always asked me for links,but when some lambs give links you said they are not reliable ! Whereas, you based EVERY of your arguments on biased links and sources ! This is just a trick you use to trap people,but you just fail,cause there is people enough smart to discover your crafty tricks !

  77. TRISH says:

    @ Moff : Thanks ! cause you just give me reason when I said that Guinness is biased as you said that Guinness claimed Mariah sold 100 million albums by 2007 ! That show how much this institution lied ,whereas it claim 300 million albums for Madonna since 2003,then 200 million albums for her by 2011 !
    In facts,Madonna sold 170 million albums worldwide !
    Just read my past posts and those of other lambs,then you could see proves that Mimi really sold 200 million albums worldwide !
    I HAVE TRUE DATAS, YOUR SOURCES LIE !

    Yeah Tane, you really know Mariah’s true sales when you said 195m- 200 m albums sold by Mimi !
    Thanx !
    @ Moff : You asked me proves ? You’re sure that you gonna trust them? Really Moff ? You really proved it for Tane’s sources ! Maybe you will believe lambs sources only if they put Mariah’s achievements down and just post them under the nickname “Lucky Luke” or “ Right “!

    Moff, how can you dare saying that Mariah has sold “just” 170 million albums? And 55 million singles ?
    How can you get such a number ?
    If you look at Tane’s list, you’ll see that Mariah has sold around 200 million albums !!!
    Mariah’s sales are very accurate and are calculated very exactly.
    You said
    “You can see the sales of each continent/nation and you can see a number of 200 million albums!
    Can you do the same for Mariah? “
    Of course,you really think that I couldn’t inflate Mariah’s sales by detailed lists like Lucky Luke,Shut Up and you always did for Madonna’s and Celine’s ? You really think that lambs couldn’t increase and inflate Mariah’s sales if they want to ? You’re really stupid !

    If Island Def Jam claimed 500 million records sold by Mariah Carey for 2010,Would you claim it as reliable here ? Would you say they count right ? Why,it’s always when some sources or institutions put Mariah’s sales down you always feign to trust them ? The obvious answer is : Because you and Lucky Luke are HATERS ! So,Moff there is nothing you and your allie will give that someone will swallow here.You made your proves when you tried to help Lucky Luke in the Celine’s debate.You even tried to prove Celine’s global albums sales surpassed Mariah’s in 2000 year ! While you recognize Mariah the best selling artist OVERALL of 1990’s (according to every institutions and every medias )
    Moff ! Open your eyes!

    We have proofs for A New Day sold less then TEOM and my clear 12 million for AIWFCIY is proved as well !
    Just ask a 4 year child this question. Do 3 + 3 is more than 6 + 1 ? He could really help you !

    @Lucky Luke : You said me to open your links when you refute all Tane’s ? It’s really brilliant ! You will never convince anyone by your doubtful links ! How many times do I have to repeat it for you ? Just put what your links claim here,then we could see if they lie or not ! An argument doesn’t become more important and more reliable just when it is on in web link! People create links ! Give facts ! True facts !
    .
    TEOM charted waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay higher ! than A New Day Has Come worldwide
    exept for Canada.They are not equal,since TEOM surpasses
    ANDHC , still Mimi is ahead.
    Yes,IFPI is partial,otherwise, Mariah’s 1990’s albums like Mariah Carey,Emotions ,MTV Unplugged EP,Merry Christmas,Butterfly, Rainbow,# 1’S, Greatest Hits and TEOM would get more than just 1 platinum certification in Europe ! It’s so simple !
    Of course IFPI lies about Mouskouri this
    affect hugely its certification system,cause this make IFPI not reliable.
    You said : “If you
    just call IFPI partial , then why do you say Mariah
    sold 26m in Europe ? You say this because it is
    proved by her IFPI certifications. If you don’t trust
    IFPI at all, then you give me the right to claim
    that Mariah sold 12m in Europe (for instance) since
    IFPI lies. Or 50m in Europe (another example) since
    IFPI is not to be trusted.”
    Of course,I don’t trust IFPI certifications for Mariah cause everything prove that MC’s sales are undercertified there .Even if Mariah is not very popular in Europe next to Madonna and Celine,her sales per albums couldn’t stand at just 1 million or less all over the European continent ( except for 2 albums ) ! Her real sales would surpass this number by far ,by 10 million the less.
    Of course you can decrease Mariah’s sales ( like you always did ) if you want,but I’ll continue to denounce you !! Like I said,it’s just impossible that all these albums (since 1990 to 2011) stand at just 1 million sales all over Europe ! IFPI’s claim is doubtful ! There is no need to have link talking about this for notice it !
    Mariah received more votes worldwide for her voice,not just “ in Us magazines “ .What you said imply that Harry’s poll was biased,cause if Celine was really the favorite artist of American people,they would also vote her as the better vocalist over Mariah ! Besides,you mention “US magazines”.I remind you that “magazines” are bought and read by everybody and anybody,not just by Mariah’s fans.Celine’s fans,Madonna’s fans,Whitney fans,Barbra’s fans,they all read magazines ! not only Mariah has fans in the US read them ! If it was about Europe,you could say so cause Mariah have no fans in Europe comparatively to Celine in US ! The comparison is fair to Celine in US cause Celine’s success there is very close to Mariah’s there,at the other hand,it would be very much too unfair to Mariah in Europe,as Mariah’s success and popularity there is light years behind Celine’s .You see the difference ? Moreover,the poll was made over the whole world online ( including Canada and Europe ).That prove even Celine’s,Whitney’s,Barbar’s,Aretha’s,etc… respective fans voted for Mariah as the better voice.So they based their choice on what they heard as better !
    You distort my claims for trying to make a point ? Hahahha ! Silly failure ! I said Billboard is bigger than Eurochart for every artists include Madonna and Celine.I never said Billboard was the bigger market for Celine and Mariah ! Coward !
    IFPI just favors Madonna and Celine in its certifications! Besides, 64 – 70 m for Madonna and 51 – 54m for Celine isn’t really a significant difference ! ( I even don’t mention Celine’s several French albums and collections released only in Europe ).
    About what you try to say for Europeans,there is no question.European people just dislike Mariah ,whatever she sing ! So let’s don’t talk about Mariah’s sales inferiority in Europe face to Madonna and Celine as if it was Mariah’s fault or incompetence,cause if Europeans were like Americans,Mariah success in Europe would close to her success in US,just like Celine’s and Madonna’s are in US.Admit it or not.This is not as much complex as a question of Chart or “cultures”.But that doesn’t mean she has zero fan there ! Europeans are not open to Mariah’s music like they did for other major international female artists. I don’t know why but it’s like that .Besides,don’t try to launder Shut Up ,he knows very well what he talk about ! He just doesn’t try to hide it,as he’s a ill-mannered goblin. But,I’ll don’t talk anymore about it.
    Everyone agrees with me.You come talking about nickname again,when you integrate this debate with “the Reason “ nickname ? Don’t you get ashame ?
    Tane agree with me.About you,Moff disagree with you and said that Mariah has a better voice than Celine.Moff also said that Mariah sold more album than Celine ! So,nobody agree with you unlike me !
    The lambs you mention just ignore Mariah’s true sales.Yes,Mariah sold 300 million records !
    I would insist my position Luke. Go back and read
    my very first comment in this debate when I posted
    clearly that Mariah sold more than Madonna and Madonna
    more than Celine, BUT that I consider Madonna’s and
    Celine’s sales more impressive than Mariah,cause they have less talent than Mariah.
    I am a big Celine fan ! That’s why I know so many songs from her ! But,that doesn’t mean that she equals or surpasses Mariah on sales and achievements !
    You said :“Now,go back and
    read my first posts here. I posted it clearly.
    9.Celine sold almost 60m albums in Europe and 25m
    singles there.Now let me ask you…” Sorry,but I usually seen 54 m albums in Europe for Celine,not 60.
    It seems that Celine’s sales grow up by million sales every week according to you !

    For a start…learn that Mariah surpassed
    the 64m albums sold in America by late 2005 and she
    was officially certified for this. This amount has grown up and by now ,it surely reach 70 million . She is the 1st best
    selling female artist ( albums + singles+ home videos ) in the whole America continent ( the biggest market continent ).
    Celine doesn’t surpass Mariah at all.Mariah surpasses
    Mariah in Album sales , Singles sales, DVD and VHS sales and Hits ! Celine
    is ahead of Mariah just in concerts and tickets sales.

  78. TRISH says:

    You say Mariah had hits in US thanks to Mottola and she become a huge artist in Billboard. Sorry…Mariah had 4 Hits from her first debut album,3 years before she marry Mottola.Mariah married Mottola after she was FAMOUS !
    She had already
    received Grammys ,Billboard Awards,Worlwide Hits and had a stable worldwide career !
    You said “But Celine didn’t marry Mottola ! “ .Mariah already had 7 number ones at Billboard 100 ,and all her releases were multi-sellers worldwide before she married Tommy ! Anyway,Mottola wouldn’t marry every female artists he launch.He just married the most talented and the most beautiful ! Lmao ! I don’t think Mottola or any other man would be marry Celine !
    .Neither me,I didn’t ask your opinion on Mariah’s 2000’s albums ,you
    Stupid hater..!
    So I don’t give a sh** if you don’t like Mariah’s
    albums.
    Yes, Celine did huge tours this decade to promote
    her albums.You always claim it yourself when you said she made many hundred tours worldwide.Otherwise,why do you think tours make Celine so huge worldwide ? Does just Las Vegas show make Celine so huge ? Stupid Nerd ! are you dreaming or sth ?
    Celine’s albums are promoted by her endless tours and concerts,since they doesn’t promoted by singles !
    I asked you for facts,not for “Links” !
    I will always say AIWFCIY sold 12m copies.I already Explain
    with worldwide sales ! Read the blog.
    Yes, I know that Celine’s song reached number 1 everywhere in Quebec,unlike
    Mariah’s.But Mariah’s songs reached number 1 everywhere WORLDWIDE !
    I repeat for you that Celine can compete with Susan Boyle on Hits ! As both have 1 notable song worldwide ! My Heart Will Go On – I Dreamed A Dream
    My Heart Will Go On sold close to 10 million the most !
    I brought 100 % facts ! You brought 0 fact ! You just keep repeating Celine sold more records than Mariah worldwide ! Then brought biased links and sources ! This contradicts
    with every true sales me and other lambs usually shown here !

    You could never prove where Celine sold her 185 m albums !
    ”I used to repeat other people lines when I was
    in Junior High School” ! This goes to you ! Not Celine.” Dear honey,I just wanted showing you that I didn’t drop my Junior High School unlike your idol Celine.
    It’s from your business,you can be happy
    enough that Celine shares her talent on tours when she clown around many million of people Las Vegas and grossing incomes. Mariah shares her talent with people around the world by her incredible singles and albums which sells by many million and her unique songs that she create and who inspire so many artists ,and that she is the only one who is able to sing !
    Mariah is a huge Pop/Rock artist proving by some of her albums and many of her songs !
    Can you cite a Celine Rock song ? A Celine Rock Hit at Eurochart or Billboard ? How could you call Celine Pop/Rock artist when she doesn’t have even one Rock song Hit in any Chart ? At least,Mariah had Someday as number 1 in Billboard Hot 100. How many has Celine in Eurochart ? In Billboard ? in United Worldwide Chart ? Answer : ZERO ! So,Celine can’t be called Pop/Rock artist unlike Mariah !
    Mariah Carey (Vision Of Love , Prisoner , You Need Me ,
    Sent From Up Above , Love Takes Time, I Don’t Wanna Cry,Someday) is a Pop Album !
    Christmas Baby Please Come Home is a Pop/Rock song,and many other Mariah songs.
    Otherwise,neither Celine’s releases aren’t Pop album !
    Mariah’s Music Box won American Music Award for best Pop/Rock album.
    Daydream is a Pop Rock album.Mariah won favorite Pop/Rock female artist at the American Music Awards of 1996 thanks to Daydream !
    All the songs you mentioned are Pop songs !
    ( Fantasy , Melt Away , Underneath The Stars ,
    One Sweet Day , Daydream , I am Free
    , Forever) Except for Always Be My Baby,which is strongly R&B influenced.
    Can you cite the only rock songs (or rock influenced)
    in Celine’s career ? ??
    Celine is not a rock singer
    at all.Mariah is !
    Music Box is AHEAD of Falling Into You
    for over 2m copies,then by 3 million copies ahead of LTAL !
    I already proved this by certifications ! Search on the blog ! You just want to make me waste my time.I’m very busy and have many occupations over this blog unlike you !
    Mariah stay amazing,not just because she’s beautiful and sexy ! But before of her incredible voice and her unique talent ! Mariah got music and videos for all tastes and for everyone ! Her music,and her videos are not borders for one type ! She’s really various unlike Celine !
    . Celine needs to make pull faces and clown moves
    to sell records since her debut !
    To be exact…RIAA COUNT EXACTLY AND CERTIFIES SHIPMENTS IN US not Nielsen Soundscan.
    Top 10 Hits are insignificant beside NUMBER 1 HITS ! Besides,no matter how many Top 10 or number 1 Hits,since we know their singles certifications sales ! They prove that The voice surpass Madonna by huuuuuuuge difference on singles sales !
    So,I was right,if Mariah sold 32m singles in Us it would
    mean that Madonna sold 9 million singles in US and
    Celine 6 million singles in US according to their
    respective Platinum and Gold certifications by RIAA ! So simple! Mariah has most Gold certified singles and much more Platinum certified singles than Madonna in US !
    So,Mariah is the undeniable best selling female artist in history !

  79. MOFF says:

    Trish. No links. No proofs. No sources.
    I play this game again.

    Trish: When I said 100 m albums for MC claimed by Guinness, this was a joke !!
    I just wanted to imitate you because you NEVER gave us any proofs!

    YOU ARE SICK.

    Madonna is the best selling female artist in history.
    Why should Guinness lie ? Guinness NEVER claimed 380 m albums for Madonna. Five me a link

    YOU ARE SO SICK TRISH

  80. LuckyLuke says:

    I will only reply to the things that made my eyes turn

    red.

    1.Mariah sold 64m albums in Us as of 2011,not 2005.

    2.Mariah has 14 Gold Us singles,not 25.

    3.RIAA Certifies shipments,Nielsen Soundscan counts

    actual sales.

    4.A Dvd being platinum in Us means it sold 100k

    and not 1m.

    5.Celine rock songs / or rock influenced / or rock soft

    ballads —>

    Where does my heart beat now / Des Mots Qui Sonnent /

    Piaf Chanterait Du Rock / It Is All Coming Back To Me

    Now / J’Irai Ou Tu Iras / Dans Un Autre Monde / Alone

    / Taking Chances / The Reason I Go On / Fade Away

    / Your Light / Can’t Fight The Feeling / Si jetais

    Quelqu’un / Ten Days / Terre / Cherche Encore / This

    Time / Le Blues Du Businessman / Tout L’Or Des Hommes etc

    6.There are many top 10 hits that sell MORE than

    Number 1s. Example -> I don’t wanna cry (N1) is not

    certified in Us , while I Still Believe (N4) is

    PLATINUM.

    7.Mariah has 18 Platinum Certifications in Europe because

    she sold that much.Period.Her total album sales are

    around 28m,not 26m.

    8.My 50 links are not biased at all,as long as I don’t

    see a reason why they are biased.A reason on EACH ONE

    of them. :-)

  81. LuckyLuke says:

    9.Almost Forgot.TEOM did NOT chart way higher than

    ANDHC.Actually,it charted way LOWER because A New Day

    Has Come reached number 1 at 25 countries (Us , Canada ,

    Australia , UK , Eurochart included), while TEOM reached

    number 1 ONLY in Us. It was number 2 in Canada , 6 in

    Australia and peaked at number 7 at Uk.

    10.I Remind you the facts —>

    Columbia Records Announced sales of 130m albums by 2000.

    Columbia Records Announced sales of 150m albums by 2003.

    World Music Awards Awarded Mariah for sales of 150m

    albums by 2003.

    As of 2011, it is announced that Mariah has sold over

    200m records worldwide. & All Mariah’s sites contain her

    certifications in detail.(3 Of these sites are posted

    here)

    11.None of us will ever take down Mariah’s awards and

    distinctions and none of us will ever lie about

    certifications. Maybe we are wrong about total sales

    ,but posting lies about certifications ?

    N E V E R !!! JAMAIS !!! :-P

    12.I used another nickname not to show I have supporters

    (it was obvious it was me behind the reason) but because

    I thought popdirt didn’t post my comments when I used

    the ”Lucky Luke” nickname.

    ANYWAY…

    I will return to correct ignorance and mistakes.

    Bye Bye..! :-)

  82. LuckyLuke says:

    Us = Platinum -> 1m , Gold -> 500k

    To be 100% exact Mariah’s album certifications are

    Mariah Carey 9xP , Emotions 4xP , MTV Live 3xP , Music

    Box 10xP , Merry Xmas 5xP , Daydream 10xP , Butterfly

    5xP , Number 1s 5xP , Rainbow 3xP , Glitter 1xP ,

    Charmbracelet 1xP , Greatest Hits 1xP , TEOM 6xP ,

    E=MC2 1xP , Memoirs Gold , MC2U Gold.

    64P Cerifications & 2Gold -> 65m Album Sales as of 2011.

    We don’t add more sales to her certifications because

    Mariah is already overshipped by her label. Her true

    Us sales stand at 53m the very most as it proved by all

    sources.

    For instance Butterfly sold 3.5m in Us and is 5xP.

    Daydream sold 8m and is 10xP. Music Box sold 7.7m and

    is 10xP. And so on…

    So Mariah sold 65m albums exact as of 2011.

    Her single sales stand at 32m exactly.

    She has 14 Platinum certifications (14m at least)

    and 14 Gold Certifications (7m at least) ! So 21m

    at least. If you add her sales from other singles etc

    we see she sold 32m.

    Mariah sold 32m with 27 top 10 hits.

    Madonna sold 40m with 37 top hits.

    It is proved by all sources.RIAA certifications &

    Billboard data combined.

    Celine has 10 top 10 hits and her sales stand at 12m.

    —>

    If someone lies about Us certifications , he/she can

    lie about EVERYTHING.

    —>

    TRISH you fu**ked up this debate by posting contradictions

    (Columbia Announcement/Island def jam announcemet/WMA/

    Sites) and by posting mistakes and lies even on Us

    certifications. (15m DVDs , 27 gold singles , 70m albums

    and so on)

    Leave this page please.No need to come back,honestly.

  83. LuckyLuke says:

    13.If we care so much about number 1 singles , we should

    take note that Madonna has 18 signles to reach number

    1 at the United World Chart & 15 to reach number 1 at

    Eurochart & 12 number 1s in Us.

    Just saying… :D

  84. shutup says:

    oh trash get in treatment. it is getting boring to read your delusional commensts.

  85. shutup says:

    and Mariah is not big artist anymore because she can’t sell tickets. she’s dead boring performer and her so called dance moves are embarresing:)

  86. LuckyLuke says:

    Lambs are out of control.

    TRISH claims Mariah sold 300m records.

    Tane claims Mariah sold 270m records.

    Another lamb claims Mariah sold 220m records by 2006,so

    her sales by now must be at 230-240m.

    . . . . . . . . . . .

    At least the other lambs trust that Mariah sold 150m

    by 2003,unlike TRISH that insists that MC sold 170m

    by then.

    . . . . .

    O.O.C !

  87. TRISH says:

    Everything Moff said here is a joke ! Moff never claim something serious here ! He can Go and play with other children like him.Mimi albums sales and singles sales surpass respectively 170 million and 60 million !
    Moff is a coward cause formerly in this blog and in other Popdirt blogs,he admitted that Mariah’s voice is better than Celine ( but that he loves Celine more ),and that Music Box has sold 32 million worldwide .He also admitted that Mariah sold more albums than Celine.
    I talk about many,many achievements of Mimi,not only Dvd sales.Just this mistake can’t erase all the fulfillments and accomplishments that I put here for The Voice !
    Lucky Luke repeat what I said ”if Mariah sold 32m singles in Us it would mean
    that Madonna sold 9 million singles in US and Celine 7
    million singles in US according to their respective
    Platinum certifications by RIAA ! So simple!” Then you said:
    “This theory makes no sense because Madonna has more
    top 10 hits than Mariah.” Really ? So,tell me how many Top 10 Hits and number 1 Hits has Celine in US and the rest of the world ( Asia, Europe,Oceania,South America ) compared with Mariah’s ? The difference is much more huge between Celine & Mariah than between Mariah and Madonna! If you really think that single sales match with Hits ! As you claim Mariah sold just 5m – 10 million singles over Celine the most !

    1. He said Celine the second-
    best-selling female artist of the decade in the United
    States.Moff said Madonna is the second best selling female artist in US behind Britney ! Another contradiction !
    RIAA count actual sales! Maybe Nielsen Soundscan do too,but RIAA is the only one reliable institution that COUNT and certifies music sales in US.Inform yourself about RIAA.Nielsen Soundscan appears in 1990 decade.Before this time,RIAA always counted sales in US and it still continue to do it !

    About Rock songs he cite for Celine , how many among these songs were number 1 in Eurochart ? Billboard Hot 100 ? United Worldwide Chart ?
    Let me Remind you most of Mariah Rock songs,or Rock influence,or soft Rock ballads:
    Vision Of Love, Someday, You Need Me, Prisoner, Emotions. All I Want For Christmas Is You, Christmas Baby Please Come Home,Open Arms, Bringing On The Heartbreak, Without You, I Didn’t Mean To Turn You On ,I Don’t Wanna Cry,etc…
    Therefore,Mariah is a Pop/Rock singer ! Unlike Celine,Mariah has some of these songs reaching number 1status at Billboard,Eurochart and United World Chart ! So Mariah is also better in Pop/Rock than Celine.
    Conclusion : Mariah’s voice match every musical genres unlike Celine’s.Mariah also have Pop albums .
    Mariah Carey is the female artist of all times !
    Don’t try to confound us on Chart sales with worldwide sales.ANDHC charted number 1 in 20 European countries as you said formerly but TEOM sold 2 times ANDHC sales just in US.So, number 1 in 20 different countries equals just the half of sales in one Country in which TEOM charted number 1.So,don’t try to confuse readers by saying ANDHC charted number 1 in most countries than TEOM. The most important is the fact by which,TEOM beat ANDHC in worldwide sales !

  88. TRISH says:

    Lucky Luke said that Mariah’s sales is already overshipped by her label. Her true
    Us sales stand at 53m the very most as it proved by all
    sources.
    You should be most carefull with this question,cause Celine is the undeniable champion of Overcertified albums and singles ! What could we say about Celine sales in US ? in EUROPE ??? You start the question of overcertifications without think about Celine’s sales ? How Celine could ever sold so much albums in US and in Europe when her albums doesn’t promoted by singles Hits and that you refute that they are promoted by tours ? Celine’s true sales in US can’t surpass 30 million the very,very most proved by her Hits,her popularity in US and her true detailed sales !
    About Europe,I even don’t have the need to talk about her overcertified albums there ! IFPI already give enough proofs about it !

  89. LuckyLuke says:

    @ TRISH

    Corrections

    01.Celine is the 2nd best seller in ALBUMS behind

    Britney this decade.There is no contradiction because

    MOFF talked about RECORD sales.

    02.Vision Of Love (soul/rnb/pop)

    All I Want For Xmas Is You (pop) ,

    Christmas (Baby Please Come Home) , I

    Don’t Wanna Cry (pop featuring Spanish guitar)

    HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH ROCK MUSIC !! N O T H I N G !

    03.Where Does My Heart Beat Now , Think Twice (featuring

    electric guitar solo which is an undeniable influence) ,

    Tout L’Or Des Hommes , Tout Pres Du Boneheur ,

    It Is All Coming Back To Me Now , All By Myself

    have become hits.

    04.You said TEOM ”CHARTED” higher,so I replied.

    You should be careful with the words you use.

    If you wanna talk about sales,mention sales,

    not charts.You talked about charts and I replied about

    charts and you came back to say I try to confuse the

    readers ? And ANDHC beats TEOM in sales. :)

    05.According to RIAA /Billboard Celine sold 51m.Same

    sources prove Mariah sold 53m,having 65 certified albums.

    Your accusation on Celine has no base at all

    because Celine is popular in Us,proved by

    her platinum albums,sold out tours etc.

    This was another mean comment.

    As of Europe her certifications are exact.It is not my

    problem you don’t trust IFPI.

    06.The WORST Comment -> ”Celine’s true sales in US can’t surpass 30 million the very,very most proved by her Hits,her popularity in US and her true detailed sales!”

    If I think that same biased way I should say that Mariah

    sold 5m albums In Europe the very most.

  90. MOFF says:

    TRISH:
    I NEVER SAID MADONNA WAS THE BEST SELLING FEMALE ARTIST IN US. behind Britney.

    I SAID:

    Madonna is the second biggest selling female artist of the world BEHIND Britney.

    In US? Madonna isn’t even Top 3 !

    Madonna has sold around 40 m albums worldwide since 2000 and Britney 45 million.

    Count it!

  91. LuckyLuke says:

    PS I never ”’refuted” tours. I said her Vegas show

    had nothing to do with album promotion.

    & All Celine albums are promoted with single hits.

    Certifications speak. Your theories and biased opinions

    have no place beside them.

  92. tane says:

    records and albums big difference!

    mariahs sold 240 million to 270 million records worldwide
    at 175 million albums and over 70 million singles worldwide!

    celines only a bigger seller in albums

    wheareas Madonna is a bigger seller in both categories!

    so counting singles and albums now the list goes,

    madonna
    mariah
    celine

  93. tane says:

    and plus Mariah Carey has gone platinum in over 35 countries!

  94. tane says:

    so if you count Mariahs album sales and add her single sales its way over 200 million!

    175 million albums plus 70 million singles= what?

    245 to 250 million records worldwide!!

  95. tane says:

    @shutup oh shut your mouth how would you know anything about tours or performances?!? Mariah Carey has had major tour sellouts just like the emacipation of mimi world tour and angles advocate tour! those tours had sell out stadiums with crownds reaching 35 to 50 thousand! and plus she’s pregnant and needs a break!

    and she is the only artist ever to sellout the aloha stadium in hawaii (1997)

  96. LuckyLuke says:

    @ Tane

    Mariah’s ”Adventure Of Mimi” tour grossed 30m and

    ”Angels Advocate” 10m … They can’t be put in

    comparison.

    Everyone here says Mariah sold more singles than Celine.

    You say Mariah sold 150m albums by 2003 and

    175m albums by 2011.

    That Means that TEOM (11m) , E=MC2 (2.5M) , Memoirs

    (1m) , Ballads & Merry Xmas2U (1m+) = 15.5m albums

    ,actually sold over 25m !!!

    EVVEN IF I make her TEOM album sell 14m , E=MC2 3m and

    so on, still Mariah doesn’t reach the 170m mark.

    So I think there is sth wrong to the way you calculate

    Mariah’s sales.

  97. David says:

    The only two females to sell over 200 million records are Madonna & Celine. Actually Guinness Book of Records recognizes Madonna as the Highest Selling Female Recording Artist Ever

  98. David says:

    Mariah Carey has sold 175 million records worldwide…. Most of it are OVERSHIPMENTS.

  99. David says:

    @TRISH: Even Mariah Carey’s label back the 175 million figure… I don’t know what is so hard to understand that Madonna and Celine have sold a lot more records than Mariah.
    Madonna has sold over 300 million records, recognized by IFPI and Guinness Book of Records.
    By 2006, IFPI Listed Madonna as the 4th Biggest Selling Act Ever, behind Elvis, Michael, Beatles. By then she was listed with 275 million albums, and this was before COADF.
    COADF sold 12 million albums plus another 12 million singles (Hung Up alone sold the bulk of it with over 9 million). Then Hard Candy with another 10 million (albums and singles combined) Then Celebration and another 3 million.
    If all of this is right, Madonna has sold 300 million.
    What part of this you don’t understand?

  100. Mariah > Celine says:

    I think Trish is right in many things she gave here !David,Madge & Celine sold 200 million albums is only your opinion as you are a Celine and a Madonna fan !You inflate the sales you put here ! Don’t play the “Know it all game” next to lambs here,then you accuse lambs to lie.Mariah sold most records than Celine and almost the same amount of records than Madonna !

  101. LuckyLuke says:

    @ Mariah > Celine

    You prove nothing.You just babble things.Repeating

    lies with no proof will never change our minds.Cause

    what we say is based on facts.Facts you don’t accept

    for your own reasons.Still they are facts for us,not

    just opinions.

    Any real links to prove what you claim ? NO.

    Any person officially declaring Mariah sold more

    in the industry ? NO.

    Any recent award for Mariah ? NO.

    Any particular distinction/award in Asia or a continent/

    market outside Us ? NO.

    Thank You.

    You said TRISH is right ? This is funny cause the

    link you proudly brought us contradicts 100% with what

    TRISH claimed.

    So save these ”team” games please for someone less

    smart.

    Finally,there is no need to imply that every person is

    biased and unfair when he/she writes Mariah sold less

    than Celine and Madonna.This is a childish behaviour.

    Personal attacks lead nowhere.

  102. David says:

    Nope… This discussion is over for like 5 years now.
    NO MEDIA actually cites Mariah Carey anymore as the “Top Selling Female” anymore.
    It is not about me “being fan” of Madonna and Celine Dion. it is a FACT. Madonna has sold according to Guinness Book of Records, 75 million in USA plus 250 million abroad, that is 325 million. Almost TWICE as much than Mariah Carey.
    Mariah Carey has NEVER been recognized by Guinness Book of Records or IFPI as the Top Selling Female in any moment or year.
    “Monaco Awards” are not official. Nope.
    And anyway… Mariah Carey is such a huge flop now, albums, singles, tours. Specially tours!

  103. HCb2 says:

    madonna is da best female seling artist of world , see

    wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_Guinness_World_Records_does_Madonna_hold

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madonna_%28entertainer%29

    popcrunch.com/madonna-guiness-book-of-records-worlds-most-successful-female-musician/

    riaa.com/goldandplatinumdata.php?table=tblTopArt

    pig sh**riahh doesn’t have RIAA awards or guiness
    the sh** can’t sell anymore.her tours are a big
    embarassment.

  104. POOriahscareysux says:

    END of conversation : Madonna sold 215 Millions album & 115 millions singles. she’s the top selling female artist of all time. PARIAH scarey slept with important men in the industry and married Motola to insure a carrer. she has had more airplays than anybody else in the US because she paid the radio . all this generated fake N1 songs but never convert in tour success showing how unpopular she really is.Most of all she has 19 N1 in billboard hot 100 but the best seller singles list of the last decade issued by Billboard makes it clear : N1 MADONNA N2 Christina Aguiliera / N3 Destinies child.

  105. MOFF says:

    Actually Madonna has sold around 200 million albums and 115 million singles.
    Trish, take that!

  106. TRISH says:

    @ Shutup : You’re the only one here that needs treatment ,as you’re the delusional goblin,not me ! And you also needs to shut up ! I had the chance to see Mariah live 2 times in my life when she passed by France ( she never tours in my country Danemark ).. Mariah is incredible on stage ! I wasn’t disappointed at all . Her dance moves are graceful and sexy ( even though she doesn’t try to make her male audience get erection unlike Madonna ).See ? You’re just a dumb goblin ,nothing more !

    I’m clear,
    Corrections : Mariah Carey -> 9xPlatinum Us , 7xPlatinum Canada ,
    1xP Europe , 8xP Oceania, 1xMillion Japan =12.7 million
    The Colour Of My Love -> 6xP Us , Diamond Canada ,
    4xP Europe , 10xP Oceania , 1xMillion Japan = 13 million. You just proved that TCOML sells 0.3 million albums over MC in these countries. You proved nothing on MC VS TCOML Global sales as You didn’t show their Asian sales ! So where does this 4 million sales of difference between both albums come from ? How many each sold in Asia ???. Give their respective sales in China,South Korea, Taiwan,Hong Kong ,etc…that obviously favorize MC,like always )So ,it would rather MC sold more than TCOML worldwide ! It’s simple.
    Same goes for all their respective other albums !
    Mariah’s singles are not calculated rightly .Mariah’s singles sold surpass largely 75 million worldwide.Mariah got over 89 # 1 hits worldwide,much more than Gaga and Celine Dion.Gaga’s success on worldwide Chart doesn’t mean that she equals Mariah that collect success on Chart since 20 years ago ! Mariah is the Queen of Billboard ! don’t forget it !
    Which organization/institution had claim Celine’s sales were not counted accurately ?Every institution/media agree that Mariah is the best seller act of the 1990’s .Even if Celine’s sales wouldn’t counted accurately,they couldn’t surpass Mariah’s.Celine’s albums sales were counted accurately before 2000.Mariah is the best selling artist of the 1990’s not Celine.
    Besides,Mariah’s Asian sales are not counted accurately even till now ! So MC’s sales surpass Celine’s anyway !
    Lucky Luke said he didn’t see any link supporting MC sold more records than Celine,that he only saw links from websites and blogs. What difference ? Who create them ? Anyway, neither I never see any links from Lucky Luke showing Mariah’s sales in all Asia ( China,South Korea,Taiwan,Hong Kong,Phillipines,Malaysia, etc…) except for Japan .Your links would be fair if they would show only Celine’s sales in France exclude the rest of Europe,like they did for Mariah’s Asian sales,considering only her Japan sales .Any of these links never show MC sales in all Asia which support MC like Europe do for Celine.That’s why all the infos given by these links are biased and partial !

    You said Mariah sold 5 million albums in Europe ? I agree with it,but you can’t deny that Celine sold approximately 7 – 8 million albums the most in Europe although all her albums and singles are overcertified there. TEOM beats ANDHC on total sales worldwide .Celine’s sales in Europe are not exact ,they are estimated and overcertified.
    Emotions and MTV Unplugged albums had both surpassed 10 million respectively worldwide.
    Lucky Luke says there is something wrong to the way Mariah’s sales are calculated !! What does he say for Celine ‘s ?? Celine albums sales were under 130 million in 2003 ,then she reach 175 million albums the following ( 2004 ) year with one album selling barely 5 million worldwide !So ,One Heart has surely sold 45 million ?!!! The way Celine’s sales are counted is really right ! Laughable ! Mariah Carey is the best selling artist overall of the 1990 decade ( every media,organizations,institutions recognize it.Even Guinness World Records claimed it ).
    @ David : Mariah sells 175 million records as of 2011 ? You surely meant 175 million albums,but you’re still wrong cause Mariah had surpass this amount since many years.Madonna sells 275 million albums ? Madonna hasn’t reach this number even with singles,DVD and concert tickets sales combined ! See ? You claim over 275 million albums sold for Madonna,Guiness claim 200 million ,etc…. you’re all delusional since Madonna’s true album sales stand under 170 million worldwide. Don’t dream,dear.

  107. MOFF says:

    Everything you claimed is not based on sources or proofs.
    Trish, get out of here.!

  108. LuckyLuke says:

    —> You get your answers at the other debate.

  109. David says:

    @ TRISH…. Sorry delusional One. All reliable sources: IFPI, Billboard, Media Traffic, Guinness Book Of Records acknowledges Madonna as The Top Selling Female Singer of All Time with around 200 million albums plus singles.. According to Warner Bros Records Madonnd has sold around 100 million singles. Only Hung Up, Vogue, 4 Minutes, Like a Prayer and Music have sold around 30 million singles wordlwide. And she has released another 60 singles worldwide, with each one ranking anything from 400 k to 2.5 million copies sold.

    I guess you only look desperate trying to pass Mariah Carey as the Top Selling Female of ANYTHING.

    Look at this:

    Music Box Overshipped in USA (7 million yet certified 10 million)
    Daydream (7.5 million yet certified 10 million)
    Emotions & Butterfly & # 1s (3.7 million yet certified 5 platinum)

    and so on…
    Mariah Carey might be the Queen of Overshipmnents, Fake Number One Singles but she is not even NEAR the Best SElling Female Singer in any country. Let alone worldwide.

    And it is so odd.. Mariah Carey has “18 Number One Singles in USA” and yet she raises no interest whatsoever when she goes on tour.

    Celine Dion has 4 Number One Singles and Madonna 12 and yet, their tours are extremely succesful both in USA and worldwide.

    You are really FUNNY claiming things like “Mariah Carey has 89 Number One Singles WORLDWIDE… ”
    loooooooooooooooooooooooooool
    if that is true, then The Beatles, Elvis, Michael and Madonna must have like 3,500 Number One Singles Worldwide.
    Seems to be all the figures and claims you post here happen only in your world inside your head.
    Nice try man… but you totally fail @ it.

  110. HCb2 says:

    Xaxaaxxaxaxaxa you r sick bitch — SICK and go to hell , lies everywhere ,i don’t even read you delusional novels
    mariah’s fat ass is outsold.wake up face it dumb ugly cow

  111. TRISH says:

    Neither your accusation on Mariah’s US certifications has no base at all because Mariah is much more popular than Celine in US ( particularly at 1990’s),proved by her platinum albums and singles,her huge mark on Billboard,her severall Hits ,her influence on other artists,etc… So, she surpass Celine by a respectable difference on sales in US.
    Celine’s certification are overshipped ! Celine have n’t even 4 number 1 Hits on Eurochart,how she could ever sell 54 million albums there ? How Celine could ever sold 51 million albums in USA when she has only 4 number 1 hits on Billboard Hot 100 ? About 2000’s, Celine have no # 1 hit single in any major chart ( Billboard,Eurochart,United Worldchart ), neither a big selling single.All she have as impressive in that decade are her tours and her concerts. Europeans doesn’t like Mariah enough to overcertify her albums like they did for Celine and Madonna.I don’t trust IFPI because his claims and statements are based mainly on estimations, not only on certifications.Unlike RIAA’s ,IFPI’s datas are not exact.That’s why sometimes there is partiality in its sales claims !
    Mariah is richer than Celine,and she’s the second richest female singer of the world.Mariah’s fortune surpass 1 billion $ by far,since she had a deal worthing 1 billion dollar just with one brand .
    Madonna’s sales are about 25-30 million in the 2000 decade,not 40 million. Count it !
    .I said that Celine promoted her 2000 albums by tours. I never talk about Las Vegas show .You tried to refute it ! Celine doesn’t sold albums thanks to Hits !Cause Celine’s number of hits is insignificant relatively to other great album sellers. Otherwise,how many hits Falling Into You and Let’s Talk About Love got each in US to sell 10 million units there each ? How many # 1 hits they have in the rest of the world ?Mariah’s albums like Music Box, Daydream,Mariah Carey,TEOM,etc… have all more hits than Celine’s 2 best sellers .!So,I am right,Celine’s albums are mainly promoted by tours whereas Mariah’s are promoted by hits !
    About income,I already gave all Mariah’s different sources of incomes ,that are very diversified.Mariah is undeniably richer than Celine !
    Lucky Luke should notice that David claims 175 million records sales by Mariah,Moff and you say 200 million.David also claim 275 million albums + 12 million ( Confession On A Dance Floor) =287 million albums since 2006 Year ! Then he said Madonna sold 300 million of albums ! Finally,a Madonna fan claim one more time that Madonna sold 300 million albums,but this time he cite IFPI rather than Guinness( although he admit that Guinness supports Madonna’s sales ).So,everybody can see that not just lambs are contradictory in their statements ! Moff ? Lucky Luke? I didn’t see you ask David where he come from with this 300 million albums sold for Madonna.He said clearly “IFPI” So,that he prove how much IFPI lie and is biased and doubtful !His datas sales are really based on estimations,not on real certified sales ( that it had already overshipped for Celine & Madonna ) .That’s what Lucky Luke call “ FACTS “ ? IFPI’s incoherent and partial estimations are facts ?

    MOFF AND LUCKY LUKE,RIGHT NOW , YOUR LIES AND PARTIALITIES ARE CLEARLY REVEALED. IF IT WAS A LAMB WHO WOULD SAY THAT,YOU WOULD ASK HIM FOR LINK AND ACCUSE HIM TO BE A SICK LIAR !
    You always say that I am exaggerated when I say Mariah sold 290-300 million records whereas you claim the same number for Madonna ! Moreover,David said 290- 300 million albums only without singles !
    None of you didn’t dare answer my questions about Celine’s and Mariah’s sales in 2000 year.Which institution and link supports Celine as the best selling female artist of the 1990’s decade ? That Celine’s sales surpassed Mariah’s in 2000 year ? You said Mariah Carey got her last certification in 1999 ? YOU LIE ! Merry Christmas,Music Box,Daydream,# 1’S,Butterfly,Rainbow continue to sell and had certification sales in the 2000’s.Don’t feign that only Celine’s albums had certifications sales in 2000’s.Besides,Mariah’s sales per albums exclude her second best supporter behind the USA ( Asian countries ). Specially at the times Mariah won the best-selling female artist title,her sales in Asian continent were totally unknown ,,and so,excluded ( except for her Japanese sales ).Only Japan represents all Mariah’s sales in Asia,even till now.So Mariah’s global sales is much more higher than what WMA claimed.
    Mariah doesn’t need just Awards to prove that she’s a huge worldwide seller and an accomplished songstress ! The Awards Celine got over Mariah are local Awards and are relevant only to French/Canadian artists.So they can’t be included in any comparison with MC.They have all Francophone base or national base ( Canadian /French Awards). Mariah’s Award are international cause not only American artists can get them.That’s why Celine ( and many other non-American artists )have Grammy Awards,American Music Awards,Billboard Awards,etc…So these Awards are international,unlike the Victoire De La Musique( France ), Juno or the Prix Felix ( Quebec).
    David said that Mariah Carey has NEVER been recognized by Guinness Book of Records or IFPI as the Top Selling Female in any moment or year.
    -First : Guinness World Records recognized Mariah Carey as the best selling artist overall of the 1990 decade.Both Guinness and IFPI also never recognized Celine Dion as the Best Selling Female Artist Of All Times, at any year.
    -Second : Only Guinness claim that Madonna is the best selling female artist ,IFPI never did.IFPI rather imply that Nana Mouskouri is the best selling female artist ( with estimated sales of 200-300 million albums),not Madonna. At the other hand,World Music Award never recognize Madonna as The Best Selling Female Artist Of All Times !
    Anyway, these organizations/institutions doesn’t consider Mariah’s sales in Asian continent that is the most populated continent and the greatest market of Mimi.So,Guinness Book Of Records and IFPI,etc… are not allowed to say who is the best selling female artist as they lied ( respectively for Madonna and for Nana Mouskouri ) and are therefore not reliable.You are so ignorant that you think Guinness count albums sold in USA ! RIAA did,not Guinness ! What a shame ! Madonna doesn’t sold 75 million albums in USA ,she sold 65,5 million there ! Otherwise,it would mean that MC sold 74,5 million in US,cause there is a difference of 0,5 million albums sold between Madonna and MC’s total album sales in US !
    Anyway,Madonna is such a huge flop now, albums, singles, Specially albums ! And she’s an artistical failure : no musical influence on other artists,no voice,no sing skill/ability,etc…Just extravagances and obscenities to sell her mediocre and elementary stuff.

    @ HCb2/POOriahscareysux :
    Mariah is the best female selling artist of world unlike AIDSdonna .Vulture WHOREdonna have not RIAA awards nor WMA distinctions.
    the wet slut can’t sell anymore.Her songs are not songs.They are boring, bland ,mushy ,poor artistically and vocally.Did this unskillful singer could ever sing great Christmas classics like O holy night,O Come All ye Faithfull,etc… or even give an acceptable rendition of the American National Anthem ? Hahaha ! What a singer ! Could she make good renditions of songs from other artists ?
    Mariah Carey,the true singer sold 190-200 Millions album & 90-100 millions singles. She’s the top selling female artist of all times. OLDONNA is the one that slept with men for getting success,not MC. Madonna has more airplays than anybody else in the Eurochart and Worldwide Chart,and also 12 # 1 in US because she paid the radio and slept with radio animators ( Howard Stern is one among the countless ones )! all this generated fake N1 songs but never convert in sales success for her singles showing how unpopular she really is.With 12 # 1 hits in USA,she have 4 Platinum singles .At the other hand,MC got 15 platinum singles in US with 18 # 1 hits there,proving that her # 1 songs are not fake unlike Whoredonna’s .That’s also why Madonna best selling single doesn’t reach 5 million worldwide.She’s just able to show her bony,skinny and wrinkled ass to amaze her delusional fans , ,nothing else ! Mimi is the NUMBER 1 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Mariah sold more than Madonna and Celine !Sorry,haters !

  112. MOFF says:

    Trish lies.
    Madonna is the best selling female artist of all times!
    Numer 1 hits don’t mean more sales!
    And yes, I counted Madonnas album sales in 2000s!
    around 40million ! COUNT IT

    You have no proofs for her sales in Asia (MC) and no proofs for Madonnas single sales.
    Shutup lists shows the estimations proved by certifications of the countries!

    TRISH IS A LIAR. END

  113. LuckyLuke says:

    1.Big Lie

    ”Merry Christmas,Music Box,Daydream,# 1’S,Butterfly,Rainbow continue to sell and had certification sales in the 2000’s.Don’t feign that only Celine’s albums had certifications sales in 2000’s.”

    None of my partialities were revealed cause I am not

    partial at all.

    2.”Celine’s certification are overshipped”

    Actually if you check her certifications

    & number of top 10 hits from each album you will see

    there is a clear proportion.

    3.Third Lie -> Mariah is not richer than Celine.

    Forbes revealed its lists and Mariah was not included.

    But ok…I guess Forbes is partial ! lol

  114. The Reason says:

    Mariah 1 billion for her legs ? ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!

    ANOTHER BIG LIE ! This is not a source for money TRISH !

    This is a BODY INSURANCE,which means that if she ever

    loses her leg or burns her body,she will get money

    as a compensation !

    I am laughing sooooo hard , honestly xD

    If Mariah earned 1b for her legs already ,where

    the fu** is her wheechair then ? Ha ha ha ha ha !

    THANK YOU :D

    & Nobody mentioned Celine’s local awards to say she sold

    more than Mariah. You got this out of your mind.

    & ”Mariah doesn’t need awards” !

    Well…I guess she doesn’t even need certifications

    cause ”she is the best” right ? LOL !

    It is really funny how you keep changing my words over

    and over just to try to make a point.

    (Lucky Luke)

  115. LuckyLuke says:

    At 5/12/1997 RIAA certified Music Box 10xP . Trish LIED.

    riaa.com/goldandplatinumdata.php?table=SEARCH_RESULTS

    At 15/12/1999 RIAA certified Butterfly 5xP . Trish LIED.

    riaa.com/goldandplatinumdata.php?resultpage=1&table=SEARCH_RESULTS&action=&title=Butterfly&artist=Maria%20Carey&format=ALBUM&debutLP=&category=&sex=&releaseDate=&requestNo=&type=&level=&label=&company=&certificationDate=&awardDescription=Multi%20Platinum&catalogNo=&aSex=&rec_id=&charField=&gold=&platinum=&multiPlat=&level2=&certDate=&album=&id=&after=&before=&startMonth=1&endMonth=1&startYear=1958&endYear=2010&sort=Artist&perPage=25

    At 18/12/1998 Daydream was certified 10xP by RIAA.TRISH

    LIED saying it was certified in 00s.

    riaa.com/goldandplatinumdata.php?table=SEARCH_RESULTS

    At 20/11/2001 Falling Into You recieved its final

    certification Is Us -> 11xPlatinum

    Here :

    riaa.com/goldandplatinumdata.php?table=SEARCH_RESULTS

    These Are Special Times was actually certified by RIAA

    at the 6th of December in 2005 ! lol ! (After her 2004

    Chopard Award)

    riaa.com/goldandplatinumdata.php?table=SEARCH_RESULTS

    ————->

    Only Merry Xmas was certified 5xP in 2003 ! It was

    4xP in 2000 so no difference anyway..!

    —>

    And save it TRISH , don’t even think of mentioning

    Asia and certifications there again to make a point

    cause I can easily prove how Mariah had her big albums

    certified there by 2000. (Exept for Rainbow)

  116. celj says:

    uhm . I super idolize Mariah and I don’t listen to Madonna. And all I could say is that Madonna sold more than Mariah, known by the fact that Madonna came earlier than Mariah. BUT that doesn’t mean that Mariah has sold more. In the 80’s Madonna is the Female who owned the Music Industry, in the 90’s it was Mariah, no doubt. But in 00’s Mariah lost her grip because of her emotional breakdown(that was 4 years when she didn’t sell good) and on the latter part of this decade she didn’t sell enough due to her conflict with Eminem and her pregnancy. Madonna in the 00’s she was able to sell more than Mariah because she was able to re-invent her career.

    By these facts, we could see that Madonna sold more than Mariah. No certifications, No proof or whatever.

    Here are the sales (for reference):
    1. Madonna – 300 Million(Started in the 80’s)
    2. Mariah – 200 Million(Started in the 90’s)
    3. Celine – 200 Million(Started in the 80’s)

    **Not sure of the sales but I’m sure the exact numbers are close to the numbers given above.

    If we divide their total sales to their total album (to be fair with Mariah because she started late)…

    1. Madonna – 13.63 Million (300 / 22 albums)
    2. Mariah – 10.52 Million (200 / 19 albums)
    3. Celine – 4.08 Million (200 / 49 albums)

    and that still make Madonna the bigger artist! :)

    I’m a certified Lamb as everybody call it so here are my messages to everyone (popular since the first part)

    1. Trish – accept the fact that Madonna is bigger. But always bear in mind, sales doesn’t overshine one’s sheer talent. Madonna is known for her sales, Mariah is known for her talent. In fact, you should still be proud of the success that Mariah have, although Mariah started later than Madonna but she is ranked 2nd, and that is close. And you should not insult Madonna cause she is big in her own rights. AND remember! THEY ARE BOTH LEGENDS!

    2. MOFF, LuckyLuke and many other Madonna fans – Please forgive some Lambs. I guess some of them couldn’t understand that our Mariah is just 2nd.

    GOD BLESS US ALL! :))

  117. LuckyLuke says:

    Actually Mariah is 3rd but there is no need to repeat

    my facts again on this & I find it unfair to divide their

    sales to their albums because 80% of Celine’s albums are

    French and not in English,which means they are promoted

    to sell in Quebec , Belgium , France and Switzerland.

    You can check all my arguments and links – NOT THEORIES –

    at the other debate. ”Mariah Vs Celine”.

  118. The Reason says:

    * If You divide their English albums alone you see Celine

    sold more and faster cause she only has 14 Enlish releases.

    (Lucky Luke)

  119. tane says:

    madonnas a bigger seller in singles and albums with 300 million records whereas Mariah is a biger seller in singles over celine! with over 245 million singles! where Celine is a bigger seller in albums but less singles!

    bigger sellers also counts towards singles so if you out it this way what counts towards a bigger seller is singles and albums!

    1 Madonna 300 million records
    2 Mariah 245 to 250 million records
    3 Celine 230 records

  120. MOFF says:

    Indeed, Madonna is the best selling female artist, but followed by:

    2. Celine Dion: 185m albums + 45m singles = 230m total
    3. Mariah Carey: -170m albums (165) + 55m singles= 215-220m total record sales

  121. TRISH says:

    Moff, Mariah Carey is the best selling female artist, but followed by:

    2. Madonna: 170m albums + 60m singles = 230m total
    3. Celine Dion: -165m albums + 30m singles= 195m-200m total record sales

    Mimi Wins !

    Moff,neither you have no proofs for Mariah sales in Asia and no proofs for Madonna singles sales.Lambs lists shows the sales proved by certifications of the countries !

    MOFF IS A DESPERATE ,DELUSIONAL LIAR.He even don’t know how to argue,he just base his claims on Shutup and Lucky Luke’s lies.

    @ Lucky Luke : Neither me,I am not partial at all .
    Mariah is really richer than Celine proven by her several sources of money.Celine has only tours as impressive source of income .. Carey has her acting career ,her royalties from her songs and those of other artist with whom she worked,her endorsement deals ,her publicities and promotions for commercial brands,her perfumes,promotions for fashion labels,etc… The Voice also got money coming from tours ,albums,singles and concerts too. Mariah was also rich many years before Celine .This is what are called facts ! Not just citing Forbes and an amount of links claiming that someone is richer than another one without explicit by facts where her incomes come from
    You PETTY COWARD ! Don’t distort my claims ! I never said Mariah earned 1 billion dollars for her legs ! I’m not stupid .I said she signed an insurance for her legs, worthing 1 billion dollars ( that doesn’t mean she earn 1 billion dollars ).That’s mean Mariah’s fortune is about billion dollars,otherwise there would be no question of billion $ ! Could you take an insurance for which the risk represents 1 billion dollars or 1 million dollars ?
    About overshipments, you said “Actually if you check Celine’s certifications
    & number of top 10 hits from each album you will see
    there is a clear proportion.”
    You lie , cause actually if you check Mariah’s number of top 10 Hits from each album you will see there is a unclear proportion with her certifications there,cause Mariah has much more Top 10 Hits than Celine worldwide ,even in Europe ! So,I am right when I said that Mariah’s sales were undershipped ,particularly in Europe !
    About Forbes, this is not partial,but it consider incomes per year,not global fortune, IDIOT ! That’s why Mariah doesn’t mention at all in Forbes,its because her main income are relatively weak nowadays ! And the amount of money your lists show for all the artists are too insignificant cause all the artists surpassed these amounts . Their fortunes is more huge .Mariah is richer than Celine because she collect huge amount of money not just since the 2000 decade.Moreover she has income from several sources,not only from albums and concerts,unlike Celine !
    Don’t try to change my words to take advantage,I said Mariah doesn’t need JUST Awards unlike Celine to prove her relevance as artist ,her huge influence ,popularity and her high level as a worldwide seller ! Mariah has nothing to envy from Celine about certifications.
    I am clear about Asia, Mariah’s sales are so huge there that any institution can’t count them.Maybe a few biased estimations that can’t be trusted cause not based on real counts ! No doubt,Mariah is the undeniable queen of Asia continent !

    Lucky.sorry but Mariah is number 1 !!! This is Celine the number 3 not Mariah ! As every facts proved it ! Facts show us Mariah is number one,not just lies converted into links in the net.

    * If You divide their English albums alone you see Mariah
    sold more and faster without even include Celine’s several French releases ! Mariah may have just 2 or 3 English releases over Celine,not more.Mariah is a much faster seller than Celine and a better seller .That’s why Mariah became the best selling female artist of all times after just 10 years of career and 9 releases ! And she releases in just one language ! Celine was called best selling female artist after 14 years of international career, with 12 English releases and more than 25 french albums + 10 years of Quebecker career ( 24 years of career in total and over 35 releases in 2 different languages ) ! No doubt,Mariah is the faster seller and the best seller .

  122. shutup says:

    @ trahs

    what facts? only your delusional fake sales about fat cu** who cannot even sell 3000 tickets? your so clear about asia or your so stoned lol. I also bet that Celine is much more richer than Mariah.

    aceshowbiz.com/news/view/00006807.html

    till 2007 Madonna had earned 325 million dollars followed by Celine Dion. 2008 Madonna earned 72 million

    forbes.com/2008/01/28/music-madonna-hollywood-biz-cz_dp_0129musicwomen.html

    2009 amazing 110 million

    popcrunch.com/forbes-worlds-highest-earning-musicians-2009/

    2010 she did 58 million and without new music.

    forbes.com/2010/07/16/u2-lady-gaga-ac-dc-business-entertainment-top-earning-musicians.html

    where is Mariah in those lists? I can’t see her. you know why because she’s total flop.

  123. LuckyLuke says:

    I Really can’t believe what I read each time :(((

    01.Nothing proves Mariah is richer than Celine.
    You wirte ”Carey has her acting career” !

    What Acting ? What Career ? What Income in specific ?

    2.”About Forbes, this is not partial,but it consider
    incomes per year,not global fortune, IDIOT !!”

    A New Theory ? PLease tell me ONE year when Mariah was

    ahead of Celine by Forbes since you know the truth.

    3.”Moreover she has income from several sources,not only from albums and concerts,unlike Celine .”

    Another Big Lie , as we know Celine supraases Mariah

    in DVD sales as well (More expensive than Albums) &

    Mariah sells 3m with an overproduced HIGH BUDGET Glitter,

    Charmabracelet , E=MC2 & Expensive videos while

    Celine sells 3m with Miracle a cheap album full of

    recycled songs with no videos.

    So it is more than a fact who is more commercially

    successful,even in albums.

    4.”I am clear about Asia, Mariah’s sales are so huge there that any institution can’t count them.Maybe a few biased mthat can’t be trusted cause not based on real counts !”

    No dear her sales are based on certifications and are

    clear even in small Asian markets such as Hong Kong

    and Twiavan. The same way they are clear in small

    European markets such as Belgium. I HAVE BEEN

    REPEATING BUT I GUESS YOU CAN’T READ , That

    Tane and me posted links about her Asian certifications.

    5.”As every facts proved it ! Facts show us Mariah is number one,not just lies converted into links in the net.”

    LOL , I Want to see these facts.

    6.Counting Celine’s releases in Quebec (7m people) just

    to point out she sold less per album is just pathetic.

    7.Finally you said Mariah sold over 40m and 50m in Asia

    and now you claim you don’t know again ? Then leave

    this debate if you don’t know. I Don’t know what you

    are doing here.

  124. LuckyLuke says:

    latimesblogs.latimes.com/music_blog/2010/01/celine-dion-reaches-peak-of-the-decades-ultimate-top-10.html

    -> Where is Mariah here ?

    Celine got 225m of Albums. Mariah ? LOL

    Celine’s parfumes made over 850 million.

    & 680m from touring.

    & Dvd sales (Over 4m this decade) Not included.

    Mariah exact figures ?

    ON ACTING —>

    Tenesse Film -> Million Budget / Grossed 16k Ha ha ha ha!

    Glitter Film -> 22 M. Budget / Grossed 5m Ha Ha Ha !

    Wisegirls -> EPIC FLOP

    Bachelor -> No Comment

    Only Precious was successful (50m over budget)

    in which Mariah had a supporting role.

    & You forgot Celine’s income from restaurants

    & Contract with Air Canada

    & Successful (For Celine) contract with Chrysler 2003

    & THE BIGGEST DEAL FOR AN ENTERTAINMENT LIVE SHOW

    IN THE HISTORY OF MUSIC !

    & Soundtrack Sales where Celine is featured

    (Over 50 million in Sales)

    —->

    See what makes you partial ?

    The fact that you mentioned Mariah’s flop films as

    income from acting

    & the fact that you only mentioned Celine’s tickets and

    albums. (Not contracts , DVDs , parfumes , restaurants ,

    soundtracks and so on)

    You are partial and you lie all the time.

    Shutup is 100 percent right in everything he claims.

  125. tane says:

    lukyluke@ your only ginving Mariah Careys flops and Celine Dions success! if you gave Mariah Careys success id would be bigger than celines!

    and lets not forget what Madonna said about Mariah Carey in an interview in the late 90s ” I’d rather be dead than be Mariah Carey “. I mean what kind of artist is Madonna if she’s gonna go around sulking about Mariah on international televsion?!?

    the only reason Madonna said that about MC was because back then Madonna was majorly jelous of Mariah because of her succes and more attention! so pathetic Madonna!

    and shutup can you pleae shut you little delusional mouth! you go around saying trish is delusional and yet here you are acting so yourself! please!

    and luke how your acting on the Madonna debate is so immature to how your acting on the Mariah and Celine debate! no offense. and now your saying Celine don sold 225 million albums on when you announced yourself on the other debate that she sold 180 to 185 million! that just shows your lying! sorry for being mean but its just what I see on your posts here:(

    shutup again@ what is wrong with you? you say Mariah Carey is a flop and she can’t sell over 3000 ticket well you are absolutely brainless! Mariah Carey is the fastest artist to sell out the Tokyo dome, the biggest stadium hall in japan! she sold 200 000 tickets in less than 2 hours! pathetic little girl

  126. LuckyLuke says:

    Finally ,it is really stupid insisting on 165m album

    sales for Celine since I already have corrected SOME

    of the mistakes of you list (POST 6)

    Example -> You said D’Eux sold 7m worldwide ,when it is

    8 PLATINUM (8million) by IFPI. So the list is falsified.

    Just check post 6.

    You should really swallow I have been a Mariah fan

    FOR YEARS so I know everything for her sales. I know

    you think I am a hater but I tell you – I AM NOT.

    You said Mariah sold 25m In Japan which is not true.

    Mariah sold 18m in Japan. Here :

    JAPAN

    ALBUM JAPAN CHART INT.CHART CERTIF. SALES

    Mariah Carey #13 #2 4x Platinum 900,000
    Emotions #3 #1 5x Platinum 1,000,000
    MTV Unplugged #13 #1 2x Platinum 500,000
    Music Box #2 #1 11x Platinum 2,300,000
    Merry Christmas #1 13x Platinum 2,700,000
    Daydream #1 #1 12x Platinum 2,500,000
    Butterfly #1 #1 8x Platinum 1,600,000
    Number 1’s #1 #1 18x Platinum 3,600,000
    Rainbow #2 #1 5x Platinum 1,000,000
    Glitter #1 #1 2x Platinum 450,000
    Greatest Hits #3 #1 2x Platinum 400,000
    Charmbracelet #4 #1 2x Platinum 400,000
    The Remixes #95 n 25,000
    The Emancipation#2 #1 Platinum 350,000
    E=MC #7 #1 Gold 150,000
    Memoirs #9 #4 Gold 100,000

    These figures where also announced by Sony Music Japan.

    Take lessons Trish , this is what a debater does to

    prove each statement.

  127. LuckyLuke says:

    @ tane

    I meant 225 million DOLLARS dear from albums sold in 00s ,

    not 225 million albums in total,lol. xD

    And I posted a link of LA Times. :))

  128. LuckyLuke says:

    @ Tane

    Mariah main Income comes from : 1.Record Sales

    2.Songwriting Credits 3.Perfumes 4.Champagne 5.Series of

    Cooking Books , 6.Series of shoes.

    So yes ,I overeacted when I read the lies that Mariah

    has income from her ”acting career”,since it is

    more than a fact that ALL Mariah’s films were total

    flops,exept for Precious,in which she had a supporting

    role.

    & The only person that LIMITED Income Sources against

    Celine was Trish.

    Didn’t you read how she only mentioned album and tours ?

    She forgot singles (50m) , Dvd sales (Dvds are way more

    expensive than albums) , Parfumes (sold way more than

    Mariah’s – making 850m dollars) , Contracts for Live

    Entertainment Deal , Contract with Chrysler, Restaurants,

    Soundtracks (50m+) and contribution to other projects.

    And grossing 680 million dollars from ticket sales is

    not to be overseen that easily.

    So I am not giving Mariah only flops and Celine success.

    Trish is the one that limited Celine’s sources of income

    and lied about Mariah’s income coming from acting and

    modeling.

    Maybe she’ll return to say that Mariah has huge income

    from her great dancing too,lol ! As she clearly stated

    that Mariah is a great dancer ! xD

    Give me a rest her people,please !!!

  129. LuckyLuke says:

    *** I WILL GIVE ANSWERS ABOUT CELINE AT THE OTHER DEBATE

    ONLY FROM NOW ON ***

  130. shutup says:

    @ tane

    i was talking about USA tour for Mariah. she cannot sell few thousand tickets in usa. that tokio was like million years ago. Angels Advocate Tour was cancelled in many places because low ticket sales.

    theprophetblog.net/mariah-carey-struggles-to-fill-3000-seat-halls-for-angels-advocate-tour

    madonna sticky and sweet tour was biggest tour in USA 2008 and Celine Dion was second. Madonna usually can sell 100% of the tickets to tens of thousands people.

    dailystab.com/madonna-tops-the-list-of-the-highest-grossing-tours-of-the-us-in-2008/

  131. MOFF says:

    Well I’ve just seen the Glee Episode “The Power of Madonna” and it says “True Blue” has sold 30 million copies :)

    We know its wrong but just believing it, is great :)

  132. The Reason says:

    Hey everyone. Sorry if I was harsh to a few people here

    the past months. I am leaving this debate now. If anyone

    wants to contact with me can follow this link to my you

    tube account.

    youtube.com/user/Luxiusta07?feature=mhum

    I am done with popdirt ! LOL

    Bye Bye and Take Care Everyone :-)

  133. TRISH says:

    Nowadays Madonna and Celine are relevant just for concerts,not on sales nor on popularity.
    If Celine got 225 m $ from albums sold,that’s mean Mariah got 300 m $ from her albums since she sold more albums than Celine worldwide.And MC owns the royalties of her songs and also of some of her videos unlike Celine . Moreover,Mariah also sold much more singles than Celine.So ,it’s clear that Mimi got much more money from albums and singles than Celine.And I even don’t talk about her royalties coming from the songs she writes and produces for other artists .The Voice had sang many times for billionaires at private parties and private mini- concerts . MC also have incomes from her acting career,she’s paid for her roles in films, wether the films are flops or successes.And only Glitter was a flopped film,all others had average success or good success. Mariah had contract with Japanese and American brands since the early 1990’s,at the other hand,Celine started to have major contracts only since the 2000’s.Just in the 2000’s, MC had contracts with Pepsi ,Intel,Motorola,Gillette,Pinko,etc… MC also have hit perfumes,her perfumes sold more and are much more popular than Celine’s.So Mariah is richer than Celine Dion,no question.

  134. TRISH says:

    About Asian sales, Mariah sold over 50 million albums in Asia ,including 25 million album sold in Japan alone!
    This blog is about sales and Celine have nothing to do here with her 165 million albums sold.This debate is among the 2 best selling female artists.Madonna is the 2nd best selling female artist behind Mariah ,not Celine.Mariah is the top selling female artist.
    Maybe Lucky Luke will say that Celine has huge income
    from her great dancing too,lol ! As he clearly stated
    that Celine is as great dancer as Beyonce Knowles !!!! If Celine could be said equal with Beyonce on dance skills,Mariah could be said equal with Michael Jackson or Janet Jackson on dance skills as well !

    The Voice already make her proves on everything musically,not just on tours unlike Madonna and Celine. Celine is a clown on stage,Madonna is a stripper and a show girl,that’s why most people are interested in their concerts than in MC’s.Mariah is more impressive on album and single sales.
    Madonna is a fake singer ! She’s nil vocally ,with her poor soubrette voice ! Mariah Carey is a vocal legend and a musical reference as well everywhere worldwide.That’s why she influences so much artists around the world.She’s the greatest pop vocal icon worldwide.Madonna is a sexual icon,not a musical icon. She can’t inspire/influence artists by her music ! That’s why she uses extravagances and excentricities to sell her crap.She use sexual scandals and her slutty image to get popularity .
    Mariah Carey slays Madonna not only on record sales,but in everything musically and artistically.

    THE TOP SELLING FEMALE ARTIST OF ALL TIMES : MADONNA OR MARIAH CAREY ? ANSWER : MARIAH CAREY .

  135. MOFF says:

    I tried to understand people saying “Mariah is the best selling etc” and now I hope we all know that this is not true.
    Calling Mariah “the greatest female artist” is just a matter of opinion.
    There are other aspects, apart from singing, that belong to naming somebody a real “artist”.
    According to my opinion, Mariah has a much more powerful, beautiful and skilful voice than Madonna, she is ca. equal to Celine.
    But in case of record sales, the point goes to Madonna.

    Lambs are crazy for Mariah, like other fans are crazy for Madonna. But what really matters is that there are institution out there in the world and many different sources which show us, that Mariah is not the best selling female artist, the title which she probably deserves for many millions of people.
    IFPI claimed Madonna as the top selling female artist in the world, Guinness as well in 2011 and 2007.

    There is no link or proof that shows me that Guinness stated: 380 million albums sold by Madonna. None. If you see one, then tell me it, please.

    I have nothing against Mariah but she is definitely not the best selling female artist.

    Her album sales stand are standing at around 165 million. That’s clear. Madonna’s at 200 million.

    Def Jam reported “200 million albums, singles and videos worldwide”, which proves my statement.

    In 2003, Mariah got her Diamond Award for 150 million albums sales.
    That means: From 1990 to 2003 Mariah has sold an amount of 150 million albums. To date, she has sold further 15 million albums; including “The Emancipation of Mimi”, “E=MC2?, “Memoirs ..” “the ballads” and “Merry Christmas 2u”.

    In the 90s Mariah was obviously the biggest seller, male or female.
    She sold more then Celine Dion, her biggest rival in terms of album sales at that time – but by now, Dion has sold a bigger amount of albums sold: 185 million.

    The way to check correct album sales can be difficult, you can just believe what institutions like RIAA, IFPI, WMA, mediatraffic, worldwide albums say or you can look after their particular number of an album has sold.

    We can check it: We both know that The Immaculate Collection and Music Box have sold around 30 million of copies.
    We can see it at mediatraffic’s list.
    TIC is ahead but that it is just an estimation.

    But we see that both albums have sold an equal number of copies sold.

    Surely lambs can increase or decrease album sales like many of here did in that debate but that doesn’t really change the actual situation.

    Maybe doing some research in the Internet will show you the truth:

    Facts are facts:

    “Like A Virgin” has sold more than “1#s”.
    “Daydream” has sold more than “Ray of Light”.
    “like a Prayer” has sold more than “butterfly”
    like “Something to remember” has sold more than E=MC2.

    Some people say this, some say that. We can fight about Music vs TEC or True Blue vs Daydream. But even if we do that, nothing will change the total record sales of Madonna or Mariah Carey.

    Unless .. you .. DID NOT INCREASE ALL ALBUM SALES !

    Lambs claiming 17 million for Butterfly or 14 million for The Emancipation of Mimi is just a way to provoke.

    I couldn’t see any proofs for these incredible sales.
    But .. if they think that .. let them.

    These are sources in the internet which are pretty accurate and interesting:

    mediatraffic.de/

    worldwidealbums.net/

    ifpi.org/

    The 200 million albums sold by Madonna is proved by this:

    ifpi.org/content/section_news/plat_month_20060913.html

    Its obvious that Madonna is the best selling female artist of all time!

    Sorry when I posted that here, but its just bullsh** saying 17 million for Butterfly or Mariah or Celine have sold more records than Madonna.

    Quote of Trish: “End of story”.

  136. TRISH says:

    Moff try desperately to impose his delusional lies here after that everyone discover Mimi is the best selling female artist of all times ! He’s so pathetic.He continue to base he’s pitiful lies on Lucky Luke’s and Shut Up’s.No one worldwide has reach Mariah’s level of success in Music ! Mariah is the undeniable number 1 followed with a respectable difference by Madonna.Celine is far behind them.It’s true,Mariah Carey is the best selling female artist of all times ! She’s also the Greatest Female Artist Of All Times ! Apart singing,Mariah also beat Madonna,Whitney,Aretha,Barbra,etc… ( Celine doesn’t deserve at all to candidate for the title of Greatest Female Artist Of All Times,cause she’s too much limited as artist )in every “other aspects,that belong to naming somebody a real artist”.Mariah has a much powerful,beautiful and skillful voice than not only Madonna,but than any female artist.She surpass Celine by far,you know it damn well !
    Mariah beat every female artists on these aspects:

    – Popularity ( The Winner of FUSE Poll about which female artists that have the most fans.Mariah wins with 12,4 million votes ). Moreover,Mimi is the most popular artist in US, Latin America,West Indies, Asia, Oceania.She’s also get a great popularity in Africa and Europe !

    – Voice ( Best Voice Ever ! MTV Countdown,Blender Magazine,Cove Magazine,Rolling Stones, …)
    – Legacy ( she’s the female artist that left the most considerable legacy in Music )
    – Influence (Most Influential artist worldwide )
    – Singing Skills and interpreter abilities( Mariah )

    – Vocal Range: Largest Vocal Range Ever (5,2 Octaves.She already outsang the piano by her performance of Emotions at the MTV Awards of 1991,when she had hit a G#8 note. Guinness World Records credit her the largest vocal range ever for the only living human that can hit the higher note and also the lower note )

    – Musical Skills (Writing , Composing,Producing,Arranging)
    – Huge Contribution in Pop Music and in R&B music.
    – Diversity Of Musical Genres mastered
    First: Moff lie cause IFPI never said Madonna the top selling female artist in the world
    Second: Even if IFPI did,it would lie cause it claimed Nana Mouskouri sold 200 million albums but still never able to prove it by any means.I showed Nana true total sales many times,that reach barely 50 million.I even explained her sales per countries/continents !I also cited her greatest market ! Who among you knew that before ? Every debarters just repeated Nana’s fake 200-300 million albums sold in accordance with IFPI ! Even Lucky Luke did ( I don’t know if it was by ignorance or simply because he wanted to lie ! Even Lucky Luke who is a Greek wasn’t able to refute these explanations,specially when I show Nana’s sales in Greece,his own country ! And when I claimed Nana is the best selling artist of Greece ( instead of Madonna or Celine,like many debaters always believed as they knew Madonna and Celine are the best selling female artists everywhere in Europe ! )and that I give her number sales there ! As such a Greek debater,Lucky Luke was in the best position to refute my claims about Nana Mouskouri and to prove I am wrong ! But no.He couldn’t Because I’m right !
    Third: IFPI is not to be trusted,cause it base all its certifications datas on estimations,not on real counts.That’s why this institution usually make huge mistake and partialities in its statements.
    Fourth: Guinness already said Madonna sold 280 -300 million albums in the past,in accordance with Madonna stans .Then it rectify this number by 200 million albums for 2011.So,this institution can’t be trusted .
    Fifth: Guinness isn’t allowed to state who is the best selling artist since this institution is not specialized in musical sales nor an official organization that count sales in every countries.its claims are based just on estimations.
    Sorry,but Mariah Carey is the top female seller ,not Madonna.
    @ Moff : You said Mariah sold 150 million albums since 2003 without any 2004-2011 album sales and 55 million singles by now.Then you say 200 million albums + Singles+ Videos by 2011 according to Def Jam.Do you see how your silly argument failed ?
    Your pathetic arguments just fail. The Voice sold 200 million albums and 100 million singles worldwide since 1990 to 2011 hater,take it.Your wannabe singer sold 170 million albums and 65 million singles worldwide.You cite RIAA and WMA among your partial sources (IFPI, Mediatrafic),can you tell us how many World Music Awards ( that count every impressive sales per years) Madonna has for her entire career?

    We all know that The Immaculate Collection sold 26 million copies worldwide and Music Box have sold over 32 million of copies.
    We can see it at its detailed list by each country as we know that Mediatrafic’s ( Mediatraffic is a Madonna supporter,like many others biased sources,like IFPI,Guiness,etc…like everybody know ) lists are biased and can’t be trusted..

    Madonna’s and Celine’s fans always increase or decrease album sales ( like Moff,Lucky Luke and Shutup always did ), but that doesn’t really change the actual situation.
    Maybe doing some research in the Internet will trap you most and put you deeper in mistakes cause most of links and sources available on the internet are lying ,cause they are created specially to elude non-advised people .
    Facts are facts: Facts show Mariah sold more than Madonna and Celine !
    “ # 1’s” has sold more than “ True Blue”.
    “The Immaculate Collection” has sold more than “Emotions”.
    “like a Prayer” has sold more than “ MTV Unplugged EP”
    “Music” sold more than “Glitter”
    like “Something to remember” has sold less than “Charmbracelet”
    Some people would love that their opponent just applause to their lies in their increasing of their favorite artists sales.
    If Madonna’s sales were so high,she would receive much more World Music Awards than what she has in fact.Madonna’s album sales were never impressive next to other female artists.In the 1980’s, just the 2 albums released by Whitney Houston and Whitney surpassed all Madonna’s on sales and success ! Whitney Houston two 1980’s albums are both the best selling albums of the 1980 decade,by a female artist ! And her single “ I Wanna Dance With Somebody “ is the best selling single of the 1980 decade by a female artist .Whitney Houston is the first female artist to have 2 diamond certified albums in Us !And Whitney is also the first female artist to have 2 albums selling 20 million or more worldwide.
    Madonna ? Hahaha ! All she had as really impressive were her extravagances and her sexual eccentricities,not her sales !Madonna managed to be the best selling female act of the 1980’s only because she released much more albums than Whitney Houston ! All these explain why Madonna never had World Music Awards for her albums,unlike Mariah !
    In the 1990 decade,Mariah Carey blown away every other artists,male or female.Every Mariah releases in the 1990 decade were all smash hits ,and any of them haven’t sold below 10 million worldwide ! It’s not astonishing that she had World Music Award all along the 1990’s.That’s explain why Mariah is the artist having the most World Music Award( 17 ) ,while Madonna is the artist having the less ( just one ). It’s because all Mariah’s albums in the 1990’s were records on sales,unlike Madonna’s .These are the facts that made Mariah the best selling female artist of all times,not just links and partial sources in the internet .
    This is by late,that biased institutions and sources as Mediatrafic and IFPI increase Madonna sales and give Madonna and Celine fake certified sales that she doesn’t deserve in facts ! Idem for Celine Dion.That’s why,these institutions try to impose these both women suddenly as best selling artists over Mariah.In facts,Madonna and Celine are far to be close to Mariah on sales !
    Madonna’s fans claiming 16-17 million for Ray Of Light or 12 million for Confession On A Dance Floor , 23 million for True Blue,30 million for TIC ,etc….is just a way to provoke. Cause they know that all these albums sold much lower.
    We must regard on past facts to have an right idea about the success and sales of albums cause many today sources lie and make partialities in favor of some artists ( Madonna and Celine ).All sources and links available on internet are partial and biased cause most of them are based on IFPI ,Mediatrafic,Guinness,… biased estimations.We already know IFPI and Mediatrafic’s lies about sales,it’s useless to repeat them in every of your posts.So,it would be too much easy by giving only these fake sources and links to prove that Madonna and Celine sold more than Carey.Sorry,but Mariah sold more than these women.
    By the way, I remind you that this blog is about “The Greatest Female Artist Of All Times” ,not just “ The Best Selling Female Artist Of All Times ‘ .Even though Mariah is also the best selling female artist, we must stay in the theme of the debateand call her THE GREATEST FEMALE ARTIST OF ALL TIMES. The obvious answer,Mariah Carey is the greatest female artist of all times ! Your hating can’t change the reality Moff,live with it dear hater !

  137. MOFF says:

    Want to provoke, don’t you?
    Trish? How many times we said, you have no idea of sales ???
    You have no idea of charts, no ideas of sales and no idea of what is a worldwide success!!

    Why don’t you believe that True Blue has sold 23 million copies?
    Why should I believe you with “Charmbracelet has sold more than Something to remember?”

    THERE is AGAIN no proof for what you say.
    I hope everybody out there will ignore Trish’s statements.

    I tried to understand people saying “Mariah is the best selling etc” and now I hope we all know that this is not true.
    Calling Mariah “the greatest female artist” is just a matter of opinion.
    There are other aspects, apart from singing, that belong to naming somebody a real “artist”.
    According to my opinion, Mariah has a much more powerful, beautiful and skilful voice than Madonna, she is ca. equal to Celine.
    But in case of record sales, the point goes to Madonna.

    Lambs are crazy for Mariah, like other fans are crazy for Madonna. But what really matters is that there are institution out there in the world and many different sources which show us, that Mariah is not the best selling female artist, the title which she probably deserves for many millions of people.
    IFPI claimed Madonna as the top selling female artist in the world, Guinness as well in 2011 and 2007.

    There is no link or proof that shows me that Guinness stated: 380 million albums sold by Madonna. None. If you see one, then tell me it, please.

    I have nothing against Mariah but she is definitely not the best selling female artist.

    Her album sales stand are standing at around 165 million. That’s clear. Madonna’s at 200 million.

    Def Jam reported “200 million albums, singles and videos worldwide”, which proves my statement.

    In 2003, Mariah got her Diamond Award for 150 million albums sales.
    That means: From 1990 to 2003 Mariah has sold an amount of 150 million albums. To date, she has sold further 15 million albums; including “The Emancipation of Mimi”, “E=MC2?, “Memoirs ..” “the ballads” and “Merry Christmas 2u”.

    In the 90s Mariah was obviously the biggest seller, male or female.
    She sold more then Celine Dion, her biggest rival in terms of album sales at that time – but by now, Dion has sold a bigger amount of albums sold: 185 million.

    The way to check correct album sales can be difficult, you can just believe what institutions like RIAA, IFPI, WMA, mediatraffic, worldwide albums say or you can look after their particular number of an album has sold.

    We can check it: We both know that The Immaculate Collection and Music Box have sold around 30 million of copies.
    We can see it at Mediatraffic’s list.
    TIC is ahead but that it is just an estimation.

    But we see that both albums have sold an equal number of copies sold.

    Surely lambs can increase or decrease album sales like many of here did in that debate but that doesn’t really change the actual situation.

    Maybe doing some research in the Internet will show you the truth:

    Facts are facts:

    “Like A Virgin” has sold more than “1#s”.
    “Daydream” has sold more than “Ray of Light”.
    “like a Prayer” has sold more than “butterfly”
    like “Something to remember” has sold more than E=MC2.

    Some people say this, some say that. We can fight about Music vs TEC or True Blue vs Daydream. But even if we do that, nothing will change the total record sales of Madonna or Mariah Carey.

    Unless .. you .. DID NOT INCREASE ALL ALBUM SALES !

    Lambs claiming 17 million for Butterfly or 14 million for The Emancipation of Mimi is just a way to provoke.

    I couldn’t see any proofs for these incredible sales.
    But .. if they think that .. let them.

    These are sources in the internet which are pretty accurate and interesting:

    mediatraffic.de/

    worldwidealbums.net/

    ifpi.org/

    The 200 million albums sold by Madonna is proved by this:

    ifpi.org/content/section_news/plat_month_20060913.html

    Its obvious that Madonna is the best selling female artist of all time!

    Sorry when I posted that here, but its just bullsh** saying 17 million for Butterfly or Mariah or Celine have sold more records than Madonna.

    Quote of Trish: “End of story”.

  138. The Reason says:

    @ TRISH

    I said nothing on Nana Mousxouri selling 3,5m albums in

    Greece because it is a big joke & I never saw the proof

    on this.

    And it was actually UNIVERSAL GROUP MUSIC that claimed

    Nana sold over 200m records worldwide,coming from

    1.500 recorded songs,450 album releases.

    Even if IFPI made mistakes on Nana,this doesn’t make

    IFPI unreliable for ALL ARTISTS,as Nana never had an

    album selling more than 1-2m & there was NOT

    certification system in 50s , 60s , 70s WORLDWIDE.

    So yes,only estimations exist for Nana.

    Moreover let’s not forget that RIAA messes up with total

    sales of Beatles , Elvis and MJ !

    None of us said RIAA is partial.

    On Guinness Book Of Records -> it never claimed more

    sales for Madonna. Just last year when Madonna was

    included for selling 300m records ! Madonna,not Mariah.

    And of course Mariah is not the best seller in Oceania.

    Madonna is with 5m records sold.Mariah sold 3.5-4m there.

    FINALLY,you only claim sources on internet are biased

    BECAUSE NONE OF THEM SHOWS MARIAH AHEAD !

    How do you know music box sold 32m copies if you don’t

    search the internet ? Where do you get this info ?

    You are a joke dear. Keep amusing us.

    Finally, Mariah sold 165m albums and 60m singles (the

    most) & 2-3m dvds.

    And if you can try to dispute it by bringing

    certifications from countries.

    Your estimations mean nothing.

  139. The Reason says:

    Let’s stop the income parody please.

    forbes.com/2007/01/17/richest-women-entertainment-tech-media-cz_lg_richwomen07_0118womenstars_slide_7.html?thisSpeed=30000

    The difference between Mariah and Madonna in income

    is bigger now,because Madonna released Hard Candy (4m)

    & Celebration (2.5m) & a successful DVD & grossed

    400m+ from her tour & opens a series of fitness centers

    around the world.

    TAKE NOTE :

    This article is not about their 2007 income. This article

    is about to determine which female celebrities have,

    over the course of their careers, amassed the greatest

    fortunes in entertainment.

    Got that ?

    OVER THE COURSE OF THEIR CAREERS !

    End of the income story.

  140. shutup says:

    mediatraffic charts from 90 are almost released and Madonna has now 19 WORLDWIDE NUMBER ONES AND BORIAH HAS ONLY 4.

    this use to be my playground
    mediatraffic.de/week33-1992.htm

  141. The Reason says:

    @ MOFF

    @ Shutup

    I really can’t believe TRISH will be back in a week to

    call Mariah best seller in everything and richer :(

    I am soooooo tired and bored by this ”debate” !

    Anyway…I just had to get all this out of my system :P

  142. Exposed ! says:

    TRISH asked : ”What citation from Guinness World Record did she ever received ? ”

    in her effort to take down Celine’s vocal skills. As

    everyone sees, TRISH BELIEVES IN GUINNESS BOOK OF RECORDS

    ,whenever it seems convinient !

    # Exposed #

  143. TRISH says:

    Lucky Luke is the one that had say goodbye many times in these blogs,not me ! So how can he say that I ” will be back in aweek ” and blaba bla ? For the lies posted here,I’ll reply later.I have not enough time to do so now,sorry.

  144. The Reason says:

    @ TRISH

    There are not lies posted here to reply,unless you want

    to leave a reply to yourself.

    My comment was about the fact that you will return to

    post lies again. I don’t care WHEN you do it.

    Gongratulations by the way on suprassing yourself on

    ignorance and lies at the other debate. :)

    The problem is not whether Madonna sold 270m records or

    300m. The issue is that you inflate Mariah’s sales by

    at least 70m + ! SEVENTY MILLION ! +

    Your FAKE sales are not proved (and will never be proved)

    – by awards

    – media

    – internet

    – sites

    – magazines

    – or any other source.

    On top of that,you don’t mention your sources because

    there are NO sources.Simple.There is not a source

    crazy enough to post Mariah sold 300m. But an

    obsessed mind can do even worse than that.

    If you STILL want to contradict with all these

    sources,don’t even bother coming back,cause you will

    only be exposed and failed…AGAIN !

    Liar.

  145. The Reason says:

    Just to make it simple. Sales & Certifications

    Mariah sold :

    Us : 68m

    Canada : 4.5m

    Europe : 28m

    Oceania : 3.5m (2.7m Australia , 300k N.Zeland)

    Asia : 40m+

    Africa : 4m

    S.America : 10m –

    —> 158m+ total career sales.

    I can prove Mariah’s sales at each of these markets

    anytime. I can reply to any objection.

    Even according to what TRISH posts the 200m

    albums theory is not proven,because she REPEATED

    CLEARLY that Mariah sold 26m Europe,71m Us,50m Asia,5m

    Oceania,9m Africa (said MC is as popular as Celine),over

    5m Canada –> 166m Albums,implying MC sold 34m Albums by

    S.America,which is just surreal.

    So please, let’s all be reasonable for a moment.

    If anyone has objections on what I just posted, please

    mention clearly the objection by being specific. I will

    reply by bringing certifications.

    Generic comments will be ignored and I will just repeat

    myself as an answer.

  146. The Reason says:

    Just to catch you up. I don’t change what I used to say

    that MC sold 165m the most by 2011. 158m+ is quite

    strict.

    Anyway…the point here is not who sold more or less.

    The big problem is that Mariah hasn’t sold 200m albums

    worldwide. Desputing this big lie is what keeps me here.

    Whether Madonna sold 180m albums or 200m albums is

    irrelevant for me,cause I am not a fan.

    But I am a Mariah fan and really pissed off when I see

    people insisting on lies and fake theories about her.

  147. TRISH says:

    Moff, don’t you find something new to post as argument here ? What can you say else than what Lucky Luke and Shut Up already gave here as lies ? Bring your own lies as arguments,stop posting the same lies than Lucky Luke and Shutup already did ! Your failed statements and biased links can’t change nothing on facts,sorry.You are not in place to judge about the knowledge of someone on music as you know nothing on music by your own,you just repeat after Lucky Luke and Shut Up like a stupid parrot,a pathetic idiot !
    If you really think that I want to provoke just because I post truth and irrefutable arguments in debates that deny your lies,too bad for you.I’ll continue to do it cause the truth must remain !

    Mariah Carey is the best selling female artist of all times ! She’s also the Greatest Female Artist Of All Times !
    Moff said a part singing,there is other things that make artists huge.He just forget that Mariah doesn’t rules just on albums and singles sales,but in every other assets and skills:Except for concerts and Tours.Besides,musical achievements doesn’t resume by only concerts and tours !
    Apart singing,Mariah also beat Madonna,Whitney,Aretha,Barbra,etc… ( Celine even doesn’t deserve at all to candidate for the title of Greatest Female Artist Of All Times,cause she’s too much limited as artist.She’s a performer,not a songtress) in every assets and skills.
    -Mariah have a much powerful,beautiful and skillful voice than not only Madonna,but than any female artist.She surpass Celine by far,you know it damn well !

    – Popularity ( The Winner of FUSE Poll about which female artists that have the most fans.Mariah wins with 12,4 million votes ). Besides,Mimi is the most popular artist in US, Latin America,West Indies, Asia, Oceania.She have respectable popularity in Africa and Europe. Mariah is the most popular artist on this planet !
    – Voice ( Best Voice Ever ! MTV Countdown,Blender Magazine,Cove Magazine,Rolling Stones, …)
    – Legacy ( she’s the female artist that left the most considerable legacy in Music )
    – Influence (Most Influencial female artist worldwide )
    – Singing Skills and interpreter abilities( Mariah )
    – Vocal Range: Largest Vocal Range Ever (5,2 Octaves.She already outsing the piano by her live performance of Emotions at the MTV Awards of 1991,when she had hit a G#8 note ). Also in 2002 in her rendition of the American National Anthem “ The Star Spangled Banner.” She also credited by Guinness for the female artist hitting the lowest (deeper ) note ever !
    Guinness World Records credit Mimi the largest vocal range ever for the only human ever, that had hit the highest vocal note and also the lower note ).
    – Musical Skills (Writing , Composing,Producing,Arranging).The Voice ruuuuuuuuules !
    – Huge Contribution in Pop Music and in R&B music.
    – Diversity Of Musical Genres mastered ( she masters more genres than all her rivals ).
    So, it’s obvious that Mariah is better in everything, not just on sales !

    First: Moff lie cause IFPI never said Madonna the top selling female artist in the world
    Second: Even if IFPI did,it would lie cause it claimed Nana Mouskouri sold 200 million albums but still never able to prove it by any means.I showed Nana true total sales many times,that reach barely 50 million.I even explained her sales per countries/continents !I also cited her greatest market ! Who among you knew that before ? Every debarters just repeated Nana’s fake 200-300 million albums sold in accordance with IFPI ! Even Lucky Third: IFPI is not to be trusted,cause it base all its certifications datas on estimations,not on real counts.That’s why this institution usually make huge mistake and partialities in its statements.
    Fourth: Guinness already said Madonna sold 280 -300 million albums in the past,in accordance with Madonna stans .Then it rectify this number by 200 million albums for 2011.So,this institution can’t be trusted .
    Fifth: Guinness isn’t allowed to state who is the best selling artist since this institution is not specialized in musical sales.It is not an official organization that count music sales per countries.Its claims are based just on estimations.

    Sorry,but Mariah Carey is the top female seller ,not Oldonna.

    @ Moff : You said Mariah sold 150 million albums since 2003 without any 2004-2011 album sales and 55 million singles by now.Then you say 200 million albums + Singles+ Videos by 2011 according to Def Jam.Do you see how your silly argument failed ?
    Your pathetic arguments just fail. The Voice sold 200 million albums and 100 million singles worldwide since 1990 to 2011 hater,take it.
    Your wannabe singer sold 168 million albums and 65 million singles worldwide.You cite RIAA and WMA among your partial sources (IFPI, Mediatrafic),can you tell us how many World Music Awards ( that count every impressive sales per years) Madonna has for her entire career?
    We all know that The Immaculate Collection sold 26 million copies worldwide and Music Box have sold over 32 million of copies.
    We can see it at its detailed list by each country as we know that Mediatraffic is a Madonna supporter,like many others biased sources,like ( IFPI,Guiness,etc…like everybody know ) .They are unreliable and can’t be trusted.Mimi has sold more records than Madge,sorry but this is the truth !
    -Lucky Luke :You fool,I never said Mariah is richer than Madonna,I never challenge Madonna’s supremacy on income.You just wanted to precise Madonna’s richness beside MC’s.I showed Mariah is richer than Celine.
    Madonna’s and Celine’s fans always increase or decrease album sales ( Moff,Lucky Luke and Shutup always did ), but that doesn’t really change the actual situation.

    Maybe doing some research in the Internet will trap you most and put you deeper in mistakes cause most of links and sources available on the internet are lying ,cause they are created specially to elude non-advised people .
    Facts are facts: Facts show Mariah sold more than Madonna and Celine !
    – “ # 1’s” has sold more than “ True Blue”.
    – “Like A Virgin” has sold less than “Butterfly”
    -“The Immaculate Collection” has sold more than “Emotions”.
    -“like a Prayer” has sold more than “ E=MC2”
    -“ Evita” sold less than “ Glitter”
    – “ Hard Candy” has sold less than “ Memoir Of An Imperfect Angel”

    Some people would love that their opponent just applause to their lies in their increasing of their favorite artists sales.
    If Madonna’s sales were so high,she would receive much more World Music Awards than what she has in fact.Madonna’s album sales were never impressive next to other huge selling female artists.In the 1980’s, just the 2 albums released by Whitney Houston surpassed all Madonna’s on sales and success ! Whitney Houston’s two 1980’s albums are both the best selling albums of the 1980 decade,by a female artist ! And her single “ I Wanna Dance With Somebody “ is the best selling single of the 1980 decade by a female artist .Whitney Houston is the first female artist to have 2 diamond certified albums in Us !And Whitney is also the first female artist to have 2 albums selling 20 million or more worldwide.
    Madonna ? Hahaha ! All she had as really impressive were her extravagances and her sexual eccentricities,not her sales ! Madonna also started her career before Whitney .Madonna managed to be the best selling female act of the 1980’s only because she released much more albums than Whitney Houston ! All this explain why Madonna never had World Music Awards for her albums,unlike Mariah !
    In the 1990 decade,Mariah Carey blown away every other artists,male or female.Every Mariah releases in the 1990 decade were all smash hits ,and any of them haven’t sold below 10 million worldwide ! It’s not astonishing that she had World Music Award all along the 1990’s.That’s explain why Mariah is the artist having the most World Music Award( 17 ) ,while Madonna is the artist having the less ( just one ). It’s because all Mariah’s albums in the 1990’s were records on sales,unlike Madonna’s .These are the facts that made Mariah the best selling female artist of all times,not just today’s links and partial sources in the internet .
    This is only by late,that biased institutions and sources as Mediatrafic and IFPI increase Madonna sales and give to Madonna and Celine fake certified sales.
    Madonna’s fans claiming 16 million for Ray Of Light or 12 million for Confession On A Dance Floor , 23 million for True Blue,30 million for TIC ,etc….is just a way to provoke. Cause they know that all these albums sold much lower.
    We must regard on past facts to have a right idea for the present about the success and sales of albums cause many today sources lie and make partialities in favor of some artists ( Madonna and Celine ).
    -You said Madonna’s vocal range surpass Celine’s ? Right,but both Madonna and Celine are far behind great widest vocal range artists as such: Barbra Streisand,Leona Lewis,Kelly Clarkson,Jennifer Hudson,Jessica Simpson,Mary J Blige, Toni Braxton,etc… on vocal range.
    However,there are only 4 female artists that have the wider vocal range on this planet.They are very great vocalists noy just in links and claims,but by their songs !
    1- Mariah Carey
    2- Christina Aguilera
    3-Whitney Houston
    4-Aretha Franklin

    @ Exposed: Yes, I asked what citation from Guinness World Records did Celine ever received for her voice ? I said Guinness is not reliable only in case of album sales since this institution don’t verify the sales it claim . It doesn’t have a system of count for album and singles sales unlike WMA and RIAA.The sales question is much more complex than other kinds of records.Guinness that are easily verifiable .
    Nobody can see the real amount of records sold by artists,at the other hand everybody can heard the voice of an artist. Everybody listen to the songs and notice the obvious exceptional capabilities of a voice. This kind of record have nothing to do with unverifiable records just based on estimations .
    Lucky Luke: You dare compare Nana Mouskouri with worldwide musical legends such as Beatles,Michael Jackson and Elvis Presley ? Beatles,MJ and Elvis are popular everywhere worldwide ,their achievements,legacy,influence,their amount of # 1 hits,their respective mark,etc…prove the significance of their sales ,unlike your delusional Nana Mouskouri.She have over 1500 songs released,but how many of them are popular ? how many among them were # 1 even …in Europe ? How many debaters or readers here just know the title of 2 or 3 Nana’s albums or singles ? Hahaha ! Nana is popular only in biased lists of best selling artists worldwide,unlike the others.She never sold over 50 million albums worldwide .She’s in the league of ( relatively ) minor sellers like Mireille Mathieu,Dalida,Alla Pugacheva,Chantal Pary,Ginette Reno,etc…

    The reply to the new crap Lucky Luke posted from the posts 143 will be answered later.Bye !

  148. MOFF says:

    Trish, no links, no proofs, no one believes you.
    You use MY words, and turn them around – silly !

    You are sick!

    YOU HAVE NO PROOFS for EVERYTHING what you say.
    Tell me how you would prove that:

    #1s has sold more than True Blue?
    200m albums sold by Mariah Carey although there is NO link, magazine, source which claim the same ?

  149. The Reason says:

    – ”Facts are facts: Facts show Mariah sold more than

    Madonna and Celine !”

    LMAO ! I don’t even ask which are these facts/sources

    cause I know the answer.

    : ”Mariah is the best seller by facts not biased links.
    You all lie!The Voice is better.There are no facts to
    prove her 300m records but everyone sees it.”

    ————————>

    Your worst problem is your inability to read carefully

    and comprehend. Only YOU saw me comparing Nana to

    Beatles,MJ and Elvis. I said that RIAA messes up with

    their total sales and that have only estimations for

    artists (successful or not) that started before 80s.

    Therefore we could call RIAA partial for messing up.

    But we don’t have to. Because we are not bitter haters.

    —>

    It is DUMB sticking to Mariah’s World Music Award award.

    Madonna didn’t also recieve a Chopard Award.

    (created for artists that sold over 100m albums.)

    That means Madonna sold less 100m albums,right ?

    *once again logic thought makes you fail*

    Now go on find some crazy theory to cover this mess up

    & explain how MC sells 200m by country,when you already

    posted that her sales reach the 165m mark without

    counting Latin America.

  150. MOFF says:

    Number ones in:

    Madonna

    USA: 12 (2nd most as a female behind Carey)
    Europe: 15 (most by any artist)
    UK: 13 (most by a female artist)
    Germany: 4 (3rd most as a female)
    France: 3
    Australia: 11
    Canada: 20
    Japan: 22
    Worldwide: 19 (most by any artist)

    TOTAL: 119 Number One Hits in the most important countries

    Mariah Carey

    USA: 18 (most by a female, 2nd overall)
    Europe: not listed, probably 1 or 2 (without you, we belong together)
    UK: 3
    Germany: 1
    France: 0
    Australia: 2
    Canada: 7
    Japan: 13
    Worldwide: 4

    TOTAL: 48 +

    Where is your Mariah Carey?

    Madonna total album sales:

    400 million

    Mariah Carey: 100 million.

    Right ? :)

    Oh dear Trish, I am not a hater, I am just pissed off because you annoy me with every new message you post here!
    Why can’t you understand that Madonna is the best selling female artist?

    No matter whether you like her or not, or whether she probably doesn’t deserve to be the best selling: she is!

    Where does 100 million singles come from Mariah Carey?

    Where the 200 million albums?

    In case of Madonna, its proved by Guinness and IFPI.
    If you think they are unreliable, ok. That’s your problem.
    If you don’t trust in sources, ok. That’s your problem.

    PLEASE Trish .. .
    I am so pissed off and you are going on my nerves!

    You know that Madonna is the best selling, but you just want to say it, because you want the debate should go on, because actually this topic is already finished!
    Everything is clear!

    1. Guinness never claimed 300m albums by Madonna. Give my a proof.

    2. Mariahs total album sales stand at 160 – 170. Why did she receive the WMA for 150 million albums sales in 2003?
    Do you think WMA is unreliable?

    Mariahs single sales stand at 60 million. DEJ JAM reported over 200 million total record sales.
    They are pretty close to my number: 220 million.

    Why should Guinnes, IFPI lie? Because they prefer Madonna to Ms Carey?
    no.

    Mariah Carey has a beautiful and powerful voice, is much more beautiful than Madonna and doesn’t need choreographies to sell !
    Thats right! Go Mariah! Go Mariah!

    But Madonna has sold more and that’s true. Why did she get the Guinness citation.

    If you don’t trust ANY sources, how do you know that Mariah has sold 300 million records.

    Its your delusional brain that commands you to post new crap in here, just to provoke us. :(

    How do you know Mariah has sold this amazing amount of records when you don’t trust any sources?

    Certifications clearly show Madonna has sold more.
    More Platinum or gold certifications in almost every nation around the world. In US they’re quite equal.

    Oh Trish, please believe me. Amen.

  151. The Reason says:

    @ MOFF

    Mariah’s European number 1s are :

    1.Without You (2 weeks at top)

    2.I Know What You Want (1 week at top)

    Australia

    1.Fantasy (1 week at top)

    2.We Belong Together (2 weeks at top)

    France : 0

    Lambs here claimed Heartbreaker reached #1 at France

    but this is not true,just stated sometimes in WIKIPEDIA.

    Heartbreaker reached #4,bacame a hit and stayed 25 weeks

    at the chart selling over 250k and being certified Gold.

    You are right in everything you claimed and I really

    admire your patience. :)

    TRISH will lie that Mariah has single sales in Asia

    but don’t worry,as all the rest Asian markets are

    insignificant (same level as little European markets

    that none of us needs to mention) & no singles chart

    exists on most of these.

    Check this out. Pretty much detailed.

    mariahjournal.com/infozone/charts/singles/index.shtml

    Mariah’s total singles sales stand at 55m.Not 50m,not

    60m. 54m+ actually.

    Take easy with TRISH. She becomes worse and worse

    unfortunately. :(

    She lied at the other debate that MC has number 1s in

    Jamaica,Fidji Islands and Heiti !

    CAN YOU BELIEVE THAT ? ? ?

    #LOL DEAD# Not even singles chart exists for these little

    insignificant places.

    — I didn’t know Madonna had so many number 1s in Japan,

    I am impressed.

    Mariah had actually 11 number 1s in Japan and spent 25

    weeks on top. (Vision of love,emotions,I’ll be there,

    Dreamlover,Hero,Without You,All I Want For Xmas Is You,

    Fantasy,Honey,When You Believe,Heartbreaker,Loverboy

    and It’s Like That). A few of them sold copies though

    cause Sony Bmg didn’t release them psychically.

  152. The Reason says:

    * Typing mistake. I meant 13 number 1s Japan. I’d think

    most Madonna’s singles were not released phychically there

    as well ,cause there must be a tactic followed by Sony.

  153. shutup says:

    trash, memoirs sold more than hard candy? hahahaahhahahahahaahhahahahahahahahha:)

    okey weirdo go back to the mental hospital.

  154. TRASH says:

    Memoirs sold over 1 million and Hard Candy 4 million and as everyone knows 1 million is more than 4 million.Same goes for number 1s that sold 17 million which is more than 22 million from True Blue.These are the maths of the new generation!!!Selling 200 millon records is more than selling 300 million records.

    Madonna is irrelevant cause she has more top 10 hits in every music market and more top 10 albums.

    Mariah also sells in other planets.She is the best
    seller in Mars and Pluto which are the biggest markets
    because more sales come from these plantes as everyone
    sees.

    So Mariah sales on Earth = 300million
    & Extraterrestrial sales = 500million

    = mighty total 1 Billion Records sold in this Galaxy,as eveybody sees.

    If we add sales from uknown Galaxies we see clearly Mimi
    slays Madonna.

  155. The Reason says:

    Things so far.

    FIRST
    1) We claim 130m albums by 2000 for MC.
    2) Trish claims 150m albums by 2000 for MC.
    3) Sony Bmg claims 130m albums by 2000 for MC.
    4) World Music Awards award her for 150m album sales.

    SECOND
    1) We claim 150m albums by 2003 for MC.
    2) Trish claims 170m albums by 2003 for MC.
    3) Her label announced sals of 150m albums by 2003.
    4) World Music Awards awarded her for 150m album sales.

    THIRD
    1) We claim Mariah sold about 220m records in total.
    2) Trish claimes Mariah sold over 300m records in total.
    3) Mariah’s label announced sales of over 200m by 2010.

    FOURTH
    1) According to us Mariah’s TEOM & E=MC2 & MEMOIRS
    & BALLADS & MERRY XMAS sold a total of 15m+ therefore
    Mariah sold 165m albums after her 2003 award.

    2) According to TRISH Mariah’s TEOM & E=MC2 & MEMOIRS
    & BALLADS & MERRY XMAS sold a total of almost 30m copies,
    so Mariah reaches the 200m mark in album sales since
    her 2003 award,when she had sold 170m.

    FIFTH
    1) According to TRISH ”everyone knows” Mariah sold more.

    2) Nobody in Media calls her the best seller and also
    introduce her as the female that sold over 160m albums
    and always stick to her Us number 1s.

    SIXTH
    1) We claim 165m albums for MC that are obvious by her
    certifications at each market.

    2) Trish claims 200m albums for MC,since she sold 70m Us,
    5 Can,26m Europe,50m Asia,5m Oceania,8m Africa…

    SEVENTH
    1) We claim Mariah’s award are reliable and the she sold
    150m albums by 2003.

    2 )Trish claims Mariah’s award are reliable,yet she
    changes her awarded sales by huge differences.

    EIGHTH
    1) We claim Mariah sold 31m+ singles in Us.
    2) Trish claims she sold over 50m singles in Us.
    3) Combined data from Billaboard,RIAA,Nielsen Soundscan
    shows Mariah sold 31m singles in Us and is actually
    really detailed showing she sold 17m+ psychical singles
    and 13m+ digital downloads.

    NINTH
    1) We claim MC sold 18m in Japan.
    2) Trish claims MC sold 25m in Japan.
    3) Certifications show her sales stand at 17m
    4) She recieved 85 platinum certifications there
    5) Sony Music Japan announced sales of almost 18m copies.

    TENTH
    1) We claim Madonna sold 40m copies with her 37 top 10s
    in Us.
    2) Trish claims Madonna sold 15m copies there.
    3) RIAA certifications and Billboard show Madonna sold
    40m singles.

    ELEVENTH

    IFPI and Guinness Book of Records are partial according

    to TRISH. Maybe it is time to stop trusting all other

    sources as well since they contradict with TRISH as well.

    It is obvious that

    labels, (giving way lower sales for Mariah)

    awards, (awarding Mariah for lower sales)

    institutions, (claim Madonna sold more)

    fan sites, (show lower certifications for Mariah)

    records, (show Madonna selling 300m records+)

    media (announce lower sales for MC)

    certifications (not enough to reach the 200m mark)

    pages (showing Mariah’s albums behind Madonna’s)

    make this debate easy and funny. If we don’t trust these

    then there is nothing more we can trust. Nothing. Not

    our estimations, or fake facts or out theories.

    Therefore if we can’t trust these sources we can all

    enjoy just our lives not coming back here to get pissed

    and angry.

    Just saying…

  156. The Reason says:

    ”I said Guinness is not reliable only in case of album sales since this institution don’t verify the sales it claim.”

    And I said you use Guinness Book Of Records whenever it

    seems convinient according to your biased thought.And you

    confirmed my theory.

    Same way you think Mariah’s awards prove everything,YET

    you change her awarded sales because they are not

    convinient enough.

    # Take a seat manipulative fanatic #

  157. MARIAH says:

    Moff, don’t you find something new to post as argument here ? What can you say else than what Lucky Luke and Shut Up already gave here as lies ? Bring your own lies as arguments,stop posting the same lies than Lucky Luke and Shutup already did ! Your failed statements and biased links can’t change nothing on facts,sorry.You are not in place to judge about the knowledge of someone on music as you know nothing on music by your own,you just repeat after Lucky Luke and Shut Up like a stupid parrot,a pathetic idiot !
    If you really think that I want to provoke just because I post truth and irrefutable arguments in debates that deny your lies,too bad for you.I’ll continue to do it cause the truth must remain !

    Mariah Carey is the best selling female artist of all times ! She’s also the Greatest Female Artist Of All Times !
    Moff said a part singing,there is other things that make artists huge.He just forget that Mariah doesn’t rules just on albums and singles sales,but in every other assets and skills:
    Apart singing,Mariah also beat Madonna,Whitney,Aretha,Barbra,etc… ( Celine doesn’t deserve at all to candidate for the title of Greatest Female Artist Of All Times,cause she’s too much limited as artist ) in every assets and skills.
    -Mariah have a much powerful,beautiful and skillful voice than not only Madonna,but than any female artist.She surpass Celine by far,you know it damn well !

    – Popularity ( The Winner of FUSE Poll about which female artists that have the most fans.Mariah wins with 12,4 million votes ). Mimi is the most popular artist in US, Latin America,West Indies, Asia, Oceania.She have respectable popularity in Africa and Europe. Mariah is the most popular artist on this planet !
    – Voice ( Best Voice Ever ! MTV Countdown,Blender Magazine,Cove Magazine,Rolling Stones, …)
    – Legacy ( she’s the female artist that left the most considerable legacy in Music )
    – Influence (Most Influencial female artist worldwide )
    – Singing Skills and interpreter abilities( Mariah )
    – Vocal Range: Largest Vocal Range Ever (5,2 Octaves.She already outsing the piano by her live performance of Emotions at the MTV Awards of 1991,when she had hit a G#8 note ). Also in 2002 in her rendition of the American National Anthem “ The Star Spangled Banner.
    Guinness World Records credit Mimi the largest vocal range ever for the only human ever, that had hit the highest vocal note and also the lower note ).
    – Musical Skills (Writing , Composing,Producing,Arranging).The Voice ruuuuuuuuules !
    – Huge Contribution in Pop Music and in R&B music.
    – Diversity Of Musical Genres mastered ( she masters more genres than all her rivals ).
    So, it’s obvious that Mariah is better in everything, not just on sales !

    First: Moff lie cause IFPI never said Madonna the top selling female artist in the world
    Second: Even if IFPI did,it would lie cause it claimed Nana Mouskouri sold 200 million albums but still never able to prove it by any means.I showed Nana true total sales many times,that reach barely 50 million.I even explained her sales per countries/continents !I also cited her greatest market ! Who among you knew that before ? Every debarters just repeated Nana’s fake 200-300 million albums sold in accordance with IFPI ! Even Lucky Third: IFPI is not to be trusted,cause it base all its certifications datas on estimations,not on real counts.That’s why this institution usually make huge mistake and partialities in its statements.
    Fourth: Guinness already said Madonna sold 280 -300 million albums in the past,in accordance with Madonna stans .Then it rectify this number by 200 million albums for 2011.So,this institution can’t be trusted .
    Fifth: Guinness isn’t allowed to state who is the best selling artist since this institution is not specialized in musical sales.It is not an official organization that count music sales per countries.Its claims are based just on estimations.

    Sorry,but Mariah Carey is the top female seller ,not Oldonna.

    @ Moff : You said Mariah sold 150 million albums since 2003 without any 2004-2011 album sales and 55 million singles by now.Then you say 200 million albums + Singles+ Videos by 2011 according to Def Jam.Do you see how your silly argument failed ?
    Your pathetic arguments just fail. The Voice sold 200 million albums and 100 million singles worldwide since 1990 to 2011 hater,take it.
    Your wannabe singer sold 168 million albums and 65 million singles worldwide.You cite RIAA and WMA among your partial sources (IFPI, Mediatrafic),can you tell us how many World Music Awards ( that count every impressive sales per years) Madonna has for her entire career?
    We all know that The Immaculate Collection sold 26 million copies worldwide and Music Box have sold over 32 million of copies.
    We can see it at its detailed list by each country as we know that Mediatraffic is a Madonna supporter,like many others biased sources,like ( IFPI,Guiness,etc…like everybody know ) .They are unreliable and can’t be trusted.Mimi has sold more records than Madge,sorry but this is the truth !
    -Lucky Luke :You fool,I never said Mariah is richer than Madonna,I never challenge Madonna’s supremacy on income.You just wanted to precise Madonna’s richness beside MC’s.I showed Mariah is richer than Celine.
    Madonna’s and Celine’s fans always increase or decrease album sales ( Moff,Lucky Luke and Shutup always did ), but that doesn’t really change the actual situation.

    Maybe doing some research in the Internet will trap you most and put you deeper in mistakes cause most of links and sources available on the internet are lying ,cause they are created specially to elude non-advised people .
    Facts are facts: Facts show Mariah sold more than Madonna and Celine !
    – “ # 1’s” has sold more than “ True Blue”.
    – “Like A Virgin” has sold less than “Butterfly”
    -“The Immaculate Collection” has sold more than “Emotions”.
    -“like a Prayer” has sold more than “ E=MC2”
    -“ Evita” sold less than “ Charmbracelet”
    – “ Hard Candy” has sold less than “ Memoir Of An Imperfect Angel”

    Some people would love that their opponent just applause to their lies in their increasing of their favorite artists sales.
    If Madonna’s sales were so high,she would receive much more World Music Awards than what she has in fact.Madonna’s album sales were never impressive next to other huge selling female artists.In the 1980’s, just the 2 albums released by Whitney Houston surpassed all Madonna’s on sales and success ! Whitney Houston’s two 1980’s albums are both the best selling albums of the 1980 decade,by a female artist ! And her single “ I Wanna Dance With Somebody “ is the best selling single of the 1980 decade by a female artist .Whitney Houston is the first female artist to have 2 diamond certified albums in Us !And Whitney is also the first female artist to have 2 albums selling 20 million or more worldwide.
    Madonna ? Hahaha ! All she had as really impressive were her extravagances and her sexual eccentricities,not her sales ! Madonna also started her career before Whitney .Madonna managed to be the best selling female act of the 1980’s only because she released much more albums than Whitney Houston ! All this explain why Madonna never had World Music Awards for her albums,unlike Mariah !
    In the 1990 decade,Mariah Carey blown away every other artists,male or female.Every Mariah releases in the 1990 decade were all smash hits ,and any of them haven’t sold below 10 million worldwide ! It’s not astonishing that she had World Music Award all along the 1990’s.That’s explain why Mariah is the artist having the most World Music Award( 17 ) ,while Madonna is the artist having the less ( just one ). It’s because all Mariah’s albums in the 1990’s were records on sales,unlike Madonna’s .These are the facts that made Mariah the best selling female artist of all times,not just today’s links and partial sources in the internet .
    This is only by late,that biased institutions and sources as Mediatrafic and IFPI increase Madonna sales and give Madonna and Celine fake certified sales
    Madonna’s fans claiming 16 million for Ray Of Light or 12 million for Confession On A Dance Floor , 23 million for True Blue,30 million for TIC ,etc….is just a way to provoke. Cause they know that all these albums sold much lower.
    We must regard on past facts to have a right idea for the present about the success and sales of albums cause many today sources lie and make partialities in favor of some artists ( Madonna and Celine ).
    -You said Madonna’s vocal range surpass Celine’s ? Right,but both Madonna and Celine are far behind great widest vocal range artists as such Barbra Streisand,Leona Lewis,Kelly Clarkson,Jennifer Hudson,Jessica Simpson,Mary J Blige, Toni Braxton,etc… on vocal range.However,there are only 4 female artists that have the wider vocal range on this planet.
    1- Mariah Carey
    2- Christina Aguilera
    3-Whitney Houston
    4-Aretha Franklin

    @ Exposed: Yes, I asked what citation from Guinness World Records did Celine ever received for her voice ? I said Guinness is not reliable only in case of album sales since this institution don’t verify the sales it claim . It doesn’t have a system of count for album and singles sales unlike WMA and RIAA.The sales question is much more complex than other kinds of records.Guinness that are easily verifiable .
    Nobody can see the real amount of records sold by artists,at the other hand everybody can heard the voice of an artist. Everybody listen to the songs and notice the obvious exceptional capabilities of a voice. This kind of record have nothing to do with unverifiable records just based on estimations .
    Lucky Luke: You dare compare Nana Mouskouri with worldwide musical legends such as Beatles,Michael Jackson and Elvis Presley ? Beatles,MJ and Elvis are popular everywhere worldwide ,their achievements,legacy,influence,their amount of # 1 hits,their respective mark,etc…prove the significance of their sales ,unlike your delusional Nana Mouskouri.She have over 1500 songs released,but how many of them are popular ? how many among them were # 1 even …in Europe ? How many debaters or readers here just know the title of 2 or 3 Nana’s albums or singles ? Hahaha ! Nana is popular only in biased lists of best selling artists worldwide,unlike the others.She never sold over 50 million albums worldwide .She’s in the league of ( relatively ) minor sellers like Mireille Mathieu,Dalida,Alla Pugacheva,Chantal Pary,etc…

    ( TRISH )
    Moff, don’t you find something new to post as argument here ? What can you say else than what Lucky Luke and Shut Up already gave here as lies ? Bring your own lies as arguments,stop posting the same lies than Lucky Luke and Shutup already did ! Your failed statements and biased links can’t change nothing on facts,sorry.You are not in place to judge about the knowledge of someone on music as you know nothing on music by your own,you just repeat after Lucky Luke and Shut Up like a stupid parrot,a pathetic idiot !
    If you really think that I want to provoke just because I post truth and irrefutable arguments in debates that deny your lies,too bad for you.I’ll continue to do it cause the truth must remain !

    Mariah Carey is the best selling female artist of all times ! She’s also the Greatest Female Artist Of All Times !
    Moff said a part singing,there is other things that make artists huge.He just forget that Mariah doesn’t rules just on albums and singles sales,but in every other assets and skills:
    Apart singing,Mariah also beat Madonna,Whitney,Aretha,Barbra,etc… ( Celine doesn’t deserve at all to candidate for the title of Greatest Female Artist Of All Times,cause she’s too much limited as artist ) in every assets and skills.
    -Mariah have a much powerful,beautiful and skillful voice than not only Madonna,but than any female artist.She surpass Celine by far,you know it damn well !

    – Popularity ( The Winner of FUSE Poll about which female artists that have the most fans.Mariah wins with 12,4 million votes ). Mimi is the most popular artist in US, Latin America,West Indies, Asia, Oceania.She have respectable popularity in Africa and Europe. Mariah is the most popular artist on this planet !
    – Voice ( Best Voice Ever ! MTV Countdown,Blender Magazine,Cove Magazine,Rolling Stones, …)
    – Legacy ( she’s the female artist that left the most considerable legacy in Music )
    – Influence (Most Influencial female artist worldwide )
    – Singing Skills and interpreter abilities( Mariah )
    – Vocal Range: Largest Vocal Range Ever (5,2 Octaves.She already outsing the piano by her live performance of Emotions at the MTV Awards of 1991,when she had hit a G#8 note ). Also in 2002 in her rendition of the American National Anthem “ The Star Spangled Banner.
    Guinness World Records credit Mimi the largest vocal range ever for the only human ever, that had hit the highest vocal note and also the lower note ).
    – Musical Skills (Writing , Composing,Producing,Arranging).The Voice ruuuuuuuuules !
    – Huge Contribution in Pop Music and in R&B music.
    – Diversity Of Musical Genres mastered ( she masters more genres than all her rivals ).
    So, it’s obvious that Mariah is better in everything, not just on sales !

    First: Moff lie cause IFPI never said Madonna the top selling female artist in the world
    Second: Even if IFPI did,it would lie cause it claimed Nana Mouskouri sold 200 million albums but still never able to prove it by any means.I showed Nana true total sales many times,that reach barely 50 million.I even explained her sales per countries/continents !I also cited her greatest market ! Who among you knew that before ? Every debarters just repeated Nana’s fake 200-300 million albums sold in accordance with IFPI ! Even Lucky Third: IFPI is not to be trusted,cause it base all its certifications datas on estimations,not on real counts.That’s why this institution usually make huge mistake and partialities in its statements.
    Fourth: Guinness already said Madonna sold 280 -300 million albums in the past,in accordance with Madonna stans .Then it rectify this number by 200 million albums for 2011.So,this institution can’t be trusted .
    Fifth: Guinness isn’t allowed to state who is the best selling artist since this institution is not specialized in musical sales.It is not an official organization that count music sales per countries.Its claims are based just on estimations.

    Sorry,but Mariah Carey is the top female seller ,not Oldonna.

    @ Moff : You said Mariah sold 150 million albums since 2003 without any 2004-2011 album sales and 55 million singles by now.Then you say 200 million albums + Singles+ Videos by 2011 according to Def Jam.Do you see how your silly argument failed ?
    Your pathetic arguments just fail. The Voice sold 200 million albums and 100 million singles worldwide since 1990 to 2011 hater,take it.
    Your wannabe singer sold 168 million albums and 65 million singles worldwide.You cite RIAA and WMA among your partial sources (IFPI, Mediatrafic),can you tell us how many World Music Awards ( that count every impressive sales per years) Madonna has for her entire career?
    We all know that The Immaculate Collection sold 26 million copies worldwide and Music Box have sold over 32 million of copies.
    We can see it at its detailed list by each country as we know that Mediatraffic is a Madonna supporter,like many others biased sources,like ( IFPI,Guiness,etc…like everybody know ) .They are unreliable and can’t be trusted.Mimi has sold more records than Madge,sorry but this is the truth !
    -Lucky Luke :You fool,I never said Mariah is richer than Madonna,I never challenge Madonna’s supremacy on income.You just wanted to precise Madonna’s richness beside MC’s.I showed Mariah is richer than Celine.
    Madonna’s and Celine’s fans always increase or decrease album sales ( Moff,Lucky Luke and Shutup always did ), but that doesn’t really change the actual situation.

    Maybe doing some research in the Internet will trap you most and put you deeper in mistakes cause most of links and sources available on the internet are lying ,cause they are created specially to elude non-advised people .
    Facts are facts: Facts show Mariah sold more than Madonna and Celine !
    – “ # 1’s” has sold more than “ True Blue”.
    – “Like A Virgin” has sold less than “Butterfly”
    -“The Immaculate Collection” has sold more than “Emotions”.
    -“like a Prayer” has sold more than “ E=MC2”
    -“ Evita” sold less than “ Charmbracelet”
    – “ Hard Candy” has sold less than “ Memoir Of An Imperfect Angel”

    Some people would love that their opponent just applause to their lies in their increasing of their favorite artists sales.
    If Madonna’s sales were so high,she would receive much more World Music Awards than what she has in fact.Madonna’s album sales were never impressive next to other huge selling female artists.In the 1980’s, just the 2 albums released by Whitney Houston surpassed all Madonna’s on sales and success ! Whitney Houston’s two 1980’s albums are both the best selling albums of the 1980 decade,by a female artist ! And her single “ I Wanna Dance With Somebody “ is the best selling single of the 1980 decade by a female artist .Whitney Houston is the first female artist to have 2 diamond certified albums in Us !And Whitney is also the first female artist to have 2 albums selling 20 million or more worldwide.
    Madonna ? Hahaha ! All she had as really impressive were her extravagances and her sexual eccentricities,not her sales ! Madonna also started her career before Whitney .Madonna managed to be the best selling female act of the 1980’s only because she released much more albums than Whitney Houston ! All this explain why Madonna never had World Music Awards for her albums,unlike Mariah !
    In the 1990 decade,Mariah Carey blown away every other artists,male or female.Every Mariah releases in the 1990 decade were all smash hits ,and any of them haven’t sold below 10 million worldwide ! It’s not astonishing that she had World Music Award all along the 1990’s.That’s explain why Mariah is the artist having the most World Music Award( 17 ) ,while Madonna is the artist having the less ( just one ). It’s because all Mariah’s albums in the 1990’s were records on sales,unlike Madonna’s .These are the facts that made Mariah the best selling female artist of all times,not just today’s links and partial sources in the internet .
    This is only by late,that biased institutions and sources as Mediatrafic and IFPI increase Madonna sales and give Madonna and Celine fake certified sales
    Madonna’s fans claiming 16 million for Ray Of Light or 12 million for Confession On A Dance Floor , 23 million for True Blue,30 million for TIC ,etc….is just a way to provoke. Cause they know that all these albums sold much lower.
    We must regard on past facts to have a right idea for the present about the success and sales of albums cause many today sources lie and make partialities in favor of some artists ( Madonna and Celine ).
    -You said Madonna’s vocal range surpass Celine’s ? Right,but both Madonna and Celine are far behind great widest vocal range artists as such Barbra Streisand,Leona Lewis,Kelly Clarkson,Jennifer Hudson,Jessica Simpson,Mary J Blige, Toni Braxton,etc… on vocal range.However,there are only 4 female artists that have the wider vocal range on this planet.
    1- Mariah Carey
    2- Christina Aguilera
    3-Whitney Houston
    4-Aretha Franklin

    @ Exposed: Yes, I asked what citation from Guinness World Records did Celine ever received for her voice ? I said Guinness is not reliable only in case of album sales since this institution don’t verify the sales it claim . It doesn’t have a system of count for album and singles sales unlike WMA and RIAA.The sales question is much more complex than other kinds of records.Guinness that are easily verifiable .
    Nobody can see the real amount of records sold by artists,at the other hand everybody can heard the voice of an artist. Everybody listen to the songs and notice the obvious exceptional capabilities of a voice. This kind of record have nothing to do with unverifiable records just based on estimations .
    Lucky Luke: You dare compare Nana Mouskouri with worldwide musical legends such as Beatles,Michael Jackson and Elvis Presley ? Beatles,MJ and Elvis are popular everywhere worldwide ,their achievements,legacy,influence,their amount of # 1 hits,their respective mark,etc…prove the significance of their sales ,unlike your delusional Nana Mouskouri.She have over 1500 songs released,but how many of them are popular ? how many among them were # 1 even …in Europe ? How many debaters or readers here just know the title of 2 or 3 Nana’s albums or singles ? Hahaha ! Nana is popular only in biased lists of best selling artists worldwide,unlike the others.She never sold over 50 million albums worldwide .She’s in the league of ( relatively ) minor sellers like Mireille Mathieu,Dalida,Alla Pugacheva,Chantal Pary,etc…

  158. The Reason says:

    Her mother let her out of the basement she lives for

    a few minutes and she decided to copy paste the same

    non sense…so sad…

  159. MOFF says:

    Trish, your silly and nothing – saying statements are just childish!
    Bring facts.
    You always say: “Everything proves”, “you know it damn well”, “IFPI can’t be trusted”

    YOU are the first person who is so hard-bitten and tough and you still insist to say “Mariah is the best selling female artist”.

    OK trish

    1. Mariah Carey got her award for 150 million album sales. It was in 2003.
    You ask where the 200 million records come from, reported by DEF JAM ?

    2003: 150 m albums sold.

    2005: The emancipation of mimi: over 10m
    further albums (E=mc2, The ballas and MCTY) together sold about 5m

    so 2011: 150 + 15 = ?
    …. 165 !!!

    Single sales: 55m

    165m + 55m = ?
    … 220 !!

    And what did DEF JAM say?

    OVER 200 million !

    Take that, Trish.

    We need:

    1. proofs for Guinness claiming 300 million albums (in case of Madonna)

    2. Mariahs 200 million albums and 100 million singles – you have to prove it, don’t increase like you usually do.

    3. IFPI claimed 200 million albums sold by Madonna and I already posted this link many times.

    4. About the Guinness Citation, we know what Guinness claimed and do say Guinness is unreliable because the prefer Madonna to Mariah – bullsh**!

  160. BUTTERFLY says:

    I post under this nickname cause the administrator doesn’t publish my posts under Trish nickname.
    Lucky Luke said “I said nothing on Nana Mousxouri selling 3,5m albums in
    Greece because it is a big joke & I never saw the proof on this.”
    But,did he saw the proof of her so-called 200 million albums sold worldwide when he claimed it ? Why doesn’t he give Nana’s true sales in Greece ?
    Even if certification system did not exist in 50s , 60s , 70s , That doesn’t mean Nana ‘s sales are as impressive,so that she could be one of the greatest female artists of the world ! There is many old artists that have much more releases than the 20 true best selling female artists of the world ,however they never sell even 30 million records worldwide.Those artists are though more popular than Nana Mouskouri ! Nobody know Nana’s songs,nor even the titles of her albums.If her sales would be so impressive ,how much more Barbra Streisand’s and Aretha Franklin’s sales woud be huge worldwide ? They are much more popular worldwide than Nana but they never pretend to the best selling female title,unlike Nana.
    How can you dare cite Nana among the musical giants like Michael Jackson, Elvis Presley and The Beatles ? They have sold all their albums per many million everywhere worldwide unlike Nana ,they Have many # 1 songs in every countries of the planet,they are all huge musical icons everywhere in the world .The Beatles,Michael Jackson and Elvis Presley are the most popular artists that ever lived on earth ! Even in the death,they are still very popular ! Nothing to compare with Nana Mouskouri that is barely popular in whole Europe ! How many # 1 songs Nana had … just in Europe ,her ultimate market ? How many million-selling albums did she have ? How many records she have sold per countries /continents,as you refute my claims ? What about her influence ,legacy,Chart achievements,Certifications,Awards ( not irrelevant awards like “ Legion D’Honneur’ or “ “Chevalier des Beaux Arts ,”etc…that are only honorific titles,not based on real achievements ),etc…?
    How many debaters and readers even on this blogs know the title of 3 or 4 albums of Nana? How many people even know 3 or 4 singles or simple songs of Nana? Impressive amount of songs never mean impressive success. Do you think that IFPI or Universal ( no matter which of them claimed it ) could impose its lies to everyone just because it’s a huge institution ? I repeat once again that the institutions claiming 200-300 million albums sold by Nana Mouskouri,200 million for Madonna are unreliable.
    That’s why IFPI gave to Madonna and Celine many fake certifications for their European sales even for albums that are not really popular and successful there !
    Celine’s album sales in Canada surpass barely 11 million.The 15 million is only a myth. .
    I didn’t “ make effort to take down Celine’s vocal skills” I just proved that Celine’s voice doesn’t reach Mariah’s level.Lucky Luke himself claim that Madonna surpass Celine on vocal range.So,how much it’s easier to claim Mimi’s huge vocal supremacy over Celine ! I have no need to prove Mariah’s HUGE vocal supremacy over Celine with any effort, Mariah’s songs are more than enough to prove it.
    Lucky Luke is not just out of control,he’s just getting fool and crazy !

    -Lucky Luke attacked me first cause I was in both Popdirt blogs ( Mariah Vs Celine and Top Selling Female Artist Madonna or Mariah) many days before him ! He integrated the Celine vs Mariah blog after me.However,he never took part in any other Popdirt debates before the time he feigned to stop the feud at the Celine Vs Mariah debate.Then he integrated the Madonna Vs Mariah debate to ally himself with Madonna’s fans against me ( Unfortunatelly,all them together failed ) .Then he try to impose Celine as second to Madonna on sales and achievements,on the debate Madonna Vs Mariah ! He even said formerly in this blog that Celine’s Diamond Award is irrelevant ,cause it was rather Madonna that deserved it.He said so to get the sympathy of Madonna’s fans ,so they can help him defend Celine against Mariah .What a coward ! Unfortunatelly,all this had failed .
    He accused me to be under every nicknames supporting Mariah ( Stacy,Francois,Howard,Momo,Tane, Mariah4ever,Mariahlamb,etc…) .According to Lucky Luke,only the lambs that finally accept his lies are not me then.
    He even reposted some of my ancient posts from other blogs against Madonna’s stans to make points . Moff & Shutup follow him and gave their support against me ,posting lie after lies ! Fake lists,sources,links,etc…
    Everything he claim for Madonna,he did it just to got the support and back up of her fans for Celine against Mariah.I always discovered his tactics & intentions since the debut . This is so dumb,so pathetic ! Moff is too much moron,idiot and retarded to notice it.He just fell in Lucky Luke’s trap,and swallow everything he claim, even the obvious lies on vocal abilities/skills about MC vs Celine ! Moff never challenge any claim from Lucky luke since the debut till now ! Really unbeliavable ! Now,Lucky Luke finally claim that he’s not a Madonna fan (He will try to rectify it but everyone can read it at his last post ) !

    About sales,their thoughts can’t modify facts,sorry. Whoever they are,whatever they think, ,fan or hater.Mariah Carey sold 200 million albums and 100 million singles worldwide ! Even if I was a Mariah hater I would always admit it because this is the truth !
    Lucky Luke said that he can explain everything about sales,but it’s normal since he’s main sources got details,the most important is the fact that these details are based on biased facts.
    About Madonna’s vocal range he LIE ! 4 octaves of vocal range mean that the holder can whistle easily ! They can also reach very high notes on singing .On what do you base to say Madonna’s vocal range is 4 octaves ? Just on links ? Everyone know that children can whistle,but no adult can do.If Madonna has 4 octave of vocal range that would mean vocal range is a banal question.Cause everyone would got averagely 4 octaves of vocal range,not just Madonna,they just doesn’t got technique to exploit them.Britney,Cher,Janet,Gaga,Rihanna,my mom,my grand-ma,Missy Elliott,Melissa Ehteridge,etc… have all 4 octaves of vocal range they just doesn’t know exploit it ! The vocalists like Mariah,Christina,Georgia,Whitney ,etc…would have like 15 octaves of vocal range.Sayin’ that Madonna surpass Whitney on vocal range explain how much you are delusional !You just want to banalize the wide vocal range on saying Madonna have 4 octaves !Liar ! You should get shame to repeat this absurdity here !
    About Celine,how could you got the nerve to say that Celine outsing Whitney in a live performance of Beauty And The Beast and Love Can Move Mountains ??? Which particular high notes these songs got compare with I Wanna Dance With Somebody ? Queen Of The Night ? I’m Every Woman ? Do you think that someone could ever swallow your s**t about Celine’s voice ?
    YOU LIE ! Celine never ever reach a Bb2 note,neither a high note that could rivalize with Whitney in IWALY,IWDWS,So Emotional,etc…
    STOP POSTING LIES ABOUT SONGS PERFORMANCES CAUSE EVERYONE CAN LISTEN TO THE SONGS, UNLIKE YOUR BIASED DATAS SALES THAT NOBODY COULDN’T VERIFY AS THEY LIES ON BIASED ESTIMATIONS !

  161. MOFF says:

    Good job, administrator !
    But Trish as “Butterfly”, actually that’s not the solution ..
    Trish, I never denied any statements of Lucky Luke, because they are right!
    He gave us proofs, links, sources and you?

    “Everything shows us” .. isn’t it childish to say that?
    NO ONE says 200 million albums sold by Mariah Carey, its NOT the truth, THIS IS A MYTH !

    GIVE my a PROOF for your claim!!

  162. The Reason says:

    My comment about Nana was not to compare her with Beatles

    MJ and Elvis but to show how even RIAA messes up.

    FIRST FAIL.

    I never said Madonna deserved an award above Celine. I

    said Madonna took the reing back after COADF (2005).

    And that in album sales,not single sales.

    SECOND FAIL.

    Madonna has a vocal range of 4 octaves, but she is a bad

    singer. She ”hits” the notes but doesn’t SING them

    properly.

    youtube.com/watch?v=GAH5Gi-Awo0

    She somehow reaches then notes, but sounds awful.

    THRID FAIL

    5 paragraphs and still no proof on Mariah 300m records,

    which is the main issue here.

    FOURTH FAIL

    Keep on spending time on personal attacks bitch. I love

    how you are pressed because of me. Write more and more

    and more, crazy cu**.

    I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW HOW IT FEELS POSTING 200M ALBUM

    SALES FOR MARIAH, WHILE YOUR ”EARLIER SALES FACTS”

    PER COUNTRY SHOW HER STAND AT 165M.

    Tell me…how is it like to be humiliated ?

    How is it like to feel stupid ?

    How is it like to feel exposed ?

    # DISMISSED #

  163. The Reason says:

    @ MOFF

    Just to know…Mariah’s label and ALL her OFFICIAL sites

    show album sales of almost 150m (the most), because

    they are strict and mention her ACTUAL sales, not

    counting the overshippements. This is why 200m+

    records are shown. (150m- albums & 50m+ singles.)

    I am just explaining WHY her sites and labels announce

    these detailed figures.

    Anything else that weird insect mentions is biased and

    falsified. That fool’s parents locked her at a basement,

    instead of sending her to school.

  164. Butterfly says:

    Moff,who claim Madonna sold 200 million albums and 100 million singles ? Can you answer to me baby ? The whole world claim Mariah sold 200 million albums and 100 million singles while they claim Madonna sold 165 million albums and 68 million singles worldwide !
    Lucky,don’t be silly sweety, my parents live in Europe. Here in America, I am free! Hahaha ! I am as free and light as a Butterfly!
    Mariah sold 200 million albums and 100 million singles while Madonna sold close to 168 million albums and 70 million singles.
    Sorry, but I have no more time to discuss with you,cause I ‘m so busy…maybe later !

    I love you so much Moff and you !
    Bye honeys !

  165. MOFF says:

    Administrator ! Please .. ban also “BUTTERFLY”, too !!

    TRISH ? Who claims ??

    1. IFPI
    2. Guinness
    3. Certifications show she has sold close to 200 million.

    100 million: The certifications of the continents (countries) show that she has sold 100 million singles. Look at “shup ups” list he posted a time ago.

  166. Kiss-Keith says:

    Trish you bitch ,Madonna and Celine are the true queens .Their total album sales reach 200 million respectively and their shows sell out everywhere in the globe .Whoriah ? Only her fake 18 number 1’s and her falsetto screams,oooooough ! Trish ,I know ur game, you just play the fool to spread ur lies.

  167. The Reason says:

    ”The whole world claim Mariah sold 200 million albums and 100 million singles while they claim Madonna sold 165 million albums and 68 million singles worldwide !”

    —-> LOL , she didn’t have a TV in the basement.

  168. BUTTERFLY says:

    Moff,you just forget that not every institutions are partial like IFPI,Mediatrafic,Guinness,Wikipedia,etc… You think that the administrator would bannish me just because I am a lamb.I’m sure that he would follow your advice if it was a Wikipedia or IFPI,MEDIATRAFIC,blog.but this is a neutral forum,a blog in which anyone can integrate,not just Madonna and Celine’s fans.You fail Moff.
    Mariah has sold more records than Madonna,it’s hard to swallow, but this is the truth baby.Just take it easy.

    @Kiss-Keith.Did you mean “Madonna and Celine” are two queens of overcertified shipments ? Yes,you’re right.Thanks for supporting my argument,Madonna and Celine are two queens of flops ! Mariah is the queen of Music overall !
    Don’t be silly baby, Mariah’s 15 platinum singles certifications by RIAA are the proofs of her 18 number 1 on Billboard Hot 100.How many platinum certified singles Madonna and Celine have in US ? In Eurochart ? Only fake and partials estimations on their singles sales,right ?
    Honey,you’re too much ignorant to take down Mariah’s records at Billboard Hot 100.Mariah’s high notes are called “Whitsle register” not “Falsetto” these are a rarissim asset unlike Celine’s nasal notes that have nothing special and amazing.About sales, Madonna and Celine can only dream to reach Mariah’s level as records seller,Mimi is the Top.Kiss-Keith,Go and learn more about these singers before to come here by spreading your ignorance here ok?
    Bye bye !
    Lucky Luke,have you ever watched a TV show ? You begin to impress me honey !
    Bye babies !

  169. The Reason says:

    ”About sales, Madonna and Celine can only dream to reach Mariah’s level as records seller.”

    LMAO ! I Agree… how could they delete their sales to

    reach Mariah’s ?

    And yes you I watch TV , I read

    newspapers and Mariah is never refered as the best

    seller.

    Now go to a mental hospital because you need help,

    crazy dumbass.

  170. BUTTERFLY says:

    Why do you think that Madonna and Celine could reach Mariah’s level as seller ? Because both are wrinkled unlike THe VOICE ?
    I agree with you, cause Madonna and Celine should delete their fake certifications sales to show their true sales,but even if they doesn’t,their fake sales wouldn’t reach Mimi’s,they would equal Susan Boyles on global sales !
    You also read ??? Congrats !So,you start to become someone ! Maybe someday,you’ll be able to discuss with other people,then take part in debates ! Good way…Lol !
    But you made a mistake cause Mariah is always refered as the best seller unlike Madonna and Celine.You just watch children programming on the TV,then confound some toilet papers with newspapers !
    Bye darling !

  171. MOFF says:

    Trish, go to the hospital.

    Madonna is the best selling female artist, no doubt.

    You can’t proof 200 millions of Mariah Carey.

  172. BUTTERFLY says:

    Moff,Mariah Carey is the best selling female artist of all times ! She sold 200 million albums and 100 million of singles.Madonna sold 168 million albums and 68 million singles.Tell me what you gonna do when you and Lucky Luke will get out the psychiatric hospital? Oh! I guess.You’ll learn to get a life like real guys,instead on spend your time by discussing about female artists.True guys talk about sport,male artists,etc… It’s time for you to get a life.
    Think about it honey !

  173. The Reason says:

    I honestly feel sorry for you. You are either crazy to

    believe all these ,or you feel happy by provoking people.

    Either way you are really sick and need help.

  174. shutup says:

    Butterly is the same person ass trash lol.

    mariah’s peaks in united world chart

    Mariah Carey singles’ peak and weeks on UWC:

    Vision of Love: #2 / 11 weeks on chart
    Love Takes Time: #4 / 5 weeks on chart
    Someday: #4 / 8 weeks on chart
    I Don’t Wanna Cry: #9 / 2 weeks on chart
    Emotions: #4 / 5 weeks on chart
    Can’t Let Go: #10 / 1 week on chart
    I’ll Be There: #2 / 9 weeks on chart
    Dreamlover: #3 / 14 weeks on chart
    Hero: #3 / 14 weeks on chart
    Without You: #2 / 23 weeks on chart
    Anytime You Need A Friend: #10 / 2 weeks on chart
    Endless Love: #2 / 11 weeks on chart
    All I Want For Christmas Is You: #1 / 26 weeks on chart
    Fantasy: #1 / 17 weeks on chart
    One Sweet Day: #1 / 18 weeks on chart
    Always Be My Baby: #2 / 16 weeks on chart
    Honey: #3 / 9 weeks on chart
    My All: #2 / 13 weeks on chart
    When You Believe: #2 / 21 weeks on chart
    I Still Believe: #7 / 15 weeks on chart
    Heartbreaker: #2 / 19 weeks on chart
    Thank God I Found You: #10 / 13 weeks on chart
    Against All Odds: #18 / 12 weeks on chart
    Loverboy: #10 / 7 weeks on chart
    Through The Rain: #15 / 14 weeks on chart
    I Know What You Want: #4 / 23 weeks on chart
    It’s Like That: #6 / 18 weeks on chart
    We Belong Together: #1 / 30 weeks on chart
    Shake It Off: #14 / 17 weeks on chart
    Don’t Forget About Us: #9 / 18 weeks on chart
    Touch My Body: #2 / 18 weeks on chart
    Bye Bye: #31 / 5 weeks on chart
    Obsessed: #14 / 16 weeks on chart

    vs Madonna’s

    La Isla Bonita (mediatraffic.de/week21-1987.htm

    Chart Run: 10 – 4 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 2 – 2 – 2 – 2 – 2 – 3 – 4 – 5 – 8 – 9

    Weeks At #1: 5
    Weeks In Top 2: 10
    Weeks In Top 5: 14
    Weeks In Top 10: 17
    Weeks On Chart: 17
    1987 YEC: #3
    Total Points: 7,158,000

    Who’s That Girl (mediatraffic.de/week34-1987.htm

    Chart Run: 6 – 4 – 2 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 2 – 2 – 3 – 3 – 2 – 5 – 4 – 9

    Weeks At #1: 3
    Weeks In Top 2: 7
    Weeks In Top 5: 12
    Weeks In Top 10: 14
    Weeks On Chart: 14
    1987 YEC: #4
    Total Points: 6,800,000

    Like A Prayer (mediatraffic.de/week24-1989.htm

    Chart Run: 4 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 4 – 10

    Weeks At #1: 13
    Weeks In Top 2: 13
    Weeks In Top 5: 15
    Weeks In Top 10: 16
    Weeks On Chart: 16
    1989 YEC: #1
    Total Points: 9,520,000

    Express Yourself (mediatraffic.de/week29-1989.htm

    Chart Run: 6 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 2 – 2 – 2 – 2 – 2 – 6

    Weeks At #1: 5
    Weeks In Top 2: 10
    Weeks In Top 5: 10
    Weeks In Top 10: 12
    Weeks On Chart: 12
    1989 YEC: #9

    Cherish (mediatraffic.de/week41-1989.htm

    Chart Run: 10 – 4 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 4 – 6 – 8

    Weeks At #1: 4
    Weeks In Top 2: 4
    Weeks In Top 5: 6
    Weeks In Top 10: 9
    Weeks On Chart: 9
    1989 YEC: #17

    Vogue (mediatraffic.de/week25-1990.htm

    Chart Run: 4 – 2 – 2 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 3 – 3 – 3 – 6 – 9

    Weeks At #1: 8
    Weeks In Top 2: 10
    Weeks In Top 5: 14
    Weeks In Top 10: 16
    Weeks On Chart: 16
    1990 YEC: #2
    Total Points: 8,575,000

    Justify My Love (mediatraffic.de/week02-1991.htm

    Chart Run: 6 – 3 – 2 – 2 – 1 – 1 – 2 – 2 – 2 – 3 – 4

    Weeks At #1: 2
    Weeks In Top 2: 7
    Weeks In Top 5: 10
    Weeks In Top 10: 11
    1991 YEC: #16
    Weeks On Chart: 11

    This Used To Be My Playground (mediatraffic.de/week33-1992.htm

    Chart Run: 4 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 2 – 2 – 2 – 2 – 2 – 2 – 3 – 5 – 5

    Weeks At #1: 3
    Weeks In Top 2: 9
    Weeks In Top 5: 13
    Weeks In Top 10: 13
    Weeks On Chart: 13
    1992 YEC: #8

    Erotica

    Chart Run: 8 – 3 – 2 – 2 – 2 – 2 – 5 – 5 – 8 – 10

    Weeks At #1: 0
    Weeks In Top 2: 4
    Weeks In Top 5: 7
    Weeks In Top 10: 10
    Weeks On Chart: 10

    Take A Bow (mediatraffic.de/week15-1995.htm

    Chart Run: 10 – 9 – 5 – 7 – 5 – 5 – 3 – 2 – 2 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 2 – 7 – 10

    Weeks At #1: 6
    Weeks In Top 2: 9
    Weeks In Top 5: 13
    Weeks In Top 10: 18
    Weeks On Chart: 18
    1995 YEC: #7
    Total Points: 5,986,000

    Frozen (mediatraffic.de/week21-1998.htm

    Chart Run: 8 – 3 – 2 – 2 – 2 – 2 – 2 – 2 – 2 – 2 – 2 – 2 – 2 – 2 – 4 – 6 – 9

    Weeks At #1: 0
    Weeks In Top 2: 12
    Weeks In Top 5: 14
    Weeks In Top 10: 17
    Weeks On Chart: 17
    1998 YEC: #5
    Total Points: 6,343,000

    Ray Of Light (mediatraffic.de/week31-1998.htm

    Chart Run: 10 – 9 – 7 – 6 – 2 – 2 – 2 – 2 – 5 – 8 – 10

    Weeks At #1: 0
    Weeks In Top 2: 4
    Weeks In Top 5: 5
    Weeks In Top 10: 11
    Weeks On Chart: 11
    1998 YEC: #17

    Beautiful Stranger

    Chart Run: 22 – 3 – 3 – 4 – 5 – 5 – 4 – 4 – 4 – 4 – 4 – 5 – 9 – 8 – 8 – 10 – 14 – 17 – 24 – 28 – 40

    Weeks At #1: 0
    Weeks In Top 2: 0
    Weeks In Top 5: 11
    Weeks In Top 10: 15
    Weeks On Chart: 21
    1999 YEC: #13
    Total Points: 4,573,000

    American Pie (unitedworldchart.de/week18-2000.htm

    Chart Run: 17 – 10 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 2 – 3 – 4 – 4 – 8 – 10 – 10 – 13 – 20 – 28 – 29 – 36

    Weeks At #1: 8
    Weeks In Top 2: 9
    Weeks In Top 5: 12
    Weeks In Top 10: 16
    Weeks On Chart: 22
    2000 YEC: #4
    Total Points: 5,746,000

    Music (unitedworldchart.de/week47-2000.htm

    Chart Run: 34 – 19 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 2 – 3 – 6 – 7 – 13 – 12 – 16 – 22 – 22 – 32 – 35

    Weeks At #1: 12
    Weeks In Top 2: 13
    Weeks In Top 5: 14
    Weeks In Top 10: 16
    Weeks On Chart: 25
    2000 YEC: #1
    Total Points: 7,414,000

    Don’t Tell Me (mediatraffic.de/week05-2001.htm

    Chart Run: 9 – 10 – 6 – 6 – 2 – 2 – 1 – 1 – 2 – 2 – 2 – 3 – 2 – 5 – 5 – 8 – 12 – 12 – 18 – 23 – 31

    Weeks At #1: 2
    Weeks In Top 2: 8
    Weeks In Top 5: 11
    Weeks In Top 10: 16
    Weeks On Chart: 16
    2001 YEC: #5
    Total Points: 4,994,000

    Die Another Day (mediatraffic.de/singles-week01-2003.htm

    Chart Run: 25 – 11 – 3 – 3 – 3 – 2 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 3 – 4 – 4 – 4 – 5 – 8 – 13 – 16 – 22 – 34

    Weeks At #1: 4
    Weeks In Top 2: 5
    Weeks In Top 5: 13
    Weeks In Top 10: 14
    Weeks On Chart: 20
    2002 YEC: #17
    2003 YEC: #18
    Total Points: 4,696,000

    American Life (mediatraffic.de/singles-week24-2003.htm

    Chart Run: 34 – 14 – 2 – 2 – 2 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 3 – 5 – 8 – 11 – 19 – 26

    Weeks At #1: 4
    Weeks In Top 2: 7
    Weeks In Top 5: 9
    Weeks In Top 10: 10
    Weeks On Chart: 15
    2003 YEC: #22
    Total Points: 2,887,000

    Me Against The Music (Featured) (mediatraffic.de/tracks-week01-2004.htm

    Chart Run: 25 – 13 – 8 – 2 – 2 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 2 – 3 – 4 – 4 – 4 – 8 – 11 – 16 – 24

    Weeks At #1: 4
    Weeks In Top 2: 7
    Weeks In Top 5: 11
    Weeks In Top 10: 13
    Weeks On Chart: 18
    2003 YEC: #27
    2004 YEC: #33
    Total Points: 3,680,000

    Hung Up (mediatraffic.de/tracks-week09-2006.htm

    Chart Run: 23 – 13 – 4 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 2 – 3 – 4 – 9 – 15 – 15 – 20 – 23 – 28 – 35

    Weeks At #1: 15
    Weeks In Top 2: 16
    Weeks In Top 5: 19
    Weeks In Top 10: 20
    Weeks On Chart: 28
    2005 YEC: #8
    2006 YEC: #8
    Total Points: 8,698,000

    Sorry (mediatraffic.de/tracks-week16-2006.htm

    Chart Run: 33 – 18 – 13 – 7 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 2 – 2 – 3 – 5 – 5 – 6 – 6 – 6 – 9 – 14 – 19 – 22 – 38

    Weeks At #1: 7
    Weeks In Top 2: 9
    Weeks In Top 5: 12
    Weeks In Top 10: 17
    Weeks On Chart: 24
    2006 YEC: #4
    Total Points: 5,180,000

    4 Minutes (mediatraffic.de/tracks-week27-2008.htm

    Chart Run: 36 – 3 – 2 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 2 – 2 – 3 – 4 – 10 – 11 – 14 – 13 – 18 – 20 – 24 – 27 – 33 – 35

    Weeks At #1: 11
    Weeks In Top 2: 14
    Weeks In Top 5: 17
    Weeks In Top 10: 18
    Weeks On Chart: 28
    2008 YEC: #4
    Total Points: 7,623,000

    Madonna has 18 worldwide number one singles and Mariah has only 4. butfly claims that Mariah has sold 100 million singles with her flop succes in europe. then Madonna must have sold 200 million singles. succes:)

  175. shutup says:

    let me remind you trash that nobody in Europe even remember who that fat big Mariah is. Mariah’s 26 million vs Madonna’s 78 million in europe.

    madonna 37 top ten in USA
    mariah 26 top ten in USA

    madonna 13 number one in UK and 61 top ten
    mariah 2 number one in UK

  176. MOFF says:

    Trish is mentallly ill. She needs to go to a psychologist.
    MAdonna is the best selling female artist of all time.
    Mariah didn’t receive the Guinness Citation.

  177. BUTTERFLY says:

    Moff is sick ass because of his two allies Lucky Luke and Shutup.He needs to see a specialist of anus.He’s not in the position to judge the health of others as he’s so sick himself !
    Guinness estimations on Madonna sales are based on her sexual scandals around the world that made her popular worldwide,not on her musical achievements neither on her real sales.Besides,Guinness isn’t a musical institution.
    However,Madonna didn’t receive any citation,nor awards from World Music Award !
    Mariah Carey is the best selling female artist of all times !
    A chart was shown on VH1 in March 2010. With Cliff Richard selling more than any other act. There are 4 new artists in the top 40, Britney Spears, Mariah Carey, Prince and Eminem.

    Cliff Richard (21,350,000)
    Elvis Presley (20,840,000)
    The Beatles (20,800,000)
    Madonna (17,000,000)
    Elton John (14,725,000)
    Michael Jackson (14,030,000)
    Queen (11,900,000)
    ABBA (10,040,000)
    Rihanna (10,000,00)
    Paul McCartney (9,910,000)
    David Bowie (9,910,000)
    Rod Stewart (9,500,000)
    Kylie Minogue (9,200,000)
    The Rolling Stones (8,990,000)
    Stevie Wonder (8,290,000)
    Whitney Houston (7,800,000)
    Spice Girls (7,780,000)
    Oasis (7,645,000)
    George Michael (7,475,000)
    Shakin’ Stevens (7,260,000)
    Bee Gees (7,200,000)
    Status Quo (7,000,000)
    Boyzone (6,750,000)
    Blondie (6,745,000)
    Slade (6,720,000)
    Olivia Newton-John (6,630,000)
    Boney M (6,560,000)
    Robbie Williams (6,560,000)
    Britney Spears (6,420,000)
    Tom Jones (6,375,000)
    U2 (6,345,000)
    UB40 (6,345,000)
    Westlife (6,320,000)
    Celine Dion (6,140,000)
    Mariah Carey (6,140,000)
    Police (5,940,000)
    Madness (5,850,000)
    Dianna Ross (5,675,000)
    Wham! (5,660,000)
    Prince (5,620,000)
    Eminem (5,540,450)
    Peter Andre (5,250,000)
    Mariah equals Celine on sales in UK the greatest European market.
    Celine doesn’t really have such a big difference in Europe beside Mariah ( 2 times Mariah’s album sold in Europe ) !
    Madonna’s impressive amount of # 1 in Europe are relevant to airplay,not to sales as she have not certifications that back up these # 1 singles unlike Mariah.

  178. The Reason says:

    @ GUTTERFLY

    Celine sold 17m records in Uk. 10.5m albums and

    6m+ singles. She is the only female artist to have two

    million selling singles in Uk. (Think Twice , My Heart

    Will Go On) . She has 5 number 1 albums there and many

    more to reach the top 10. She is the first artist to

    really introduce FRENCH music in Uk. Both D’Eux and Pour

    Que Tu M’aimes Encore reached top 10. First song and

    album to do so in UK music History.

    Mariah sold almost 28m in Europe. Celine over 60m.

    And the biggest European market is Germany = 500k for

    platinum , not UK = 300k for platinum.

    Keep posting bullacrap.

    ”Madonna’s impressive amount of # 1 in Europe are relevant to airplay,not to sales as she have not certifications that back up these # 1 singles unlike Mariah.”

    LOL, IFPI doesn’t certifie singles you crazy cow ! UK ,

    France , Germany and each market DO certifie sales

    though.

    There is not even ONE European market where Mariah comes

    close to Celine and Madonna.

    Try again :)

  179. BUTTERFLY says:

    Celine sold 17 million in UK and 60 million in Europe ? If Celine would sold 17 million in UK Mariah would sold as much since this source show it clearly !
    Thank you,cause Everyone see how much you are delusional and how much you lied at the past with your bulls**t links.
    So,dear.Mariah sold 50 million albums in Europe while Celine sold 54 million albums there according to their real sales in Europe !
    IFPI doesn’t certifies singles? That’s why it give so biased datas for Madonna and Celine’s singles sales there ?!!! That’s why you always claim that Madonna sold 100 million singles worldwide ? Indeed,it’s easy to say any number for Madonna and Celine in Europe as their sales are not proved by certifications !They are Based only in partial estimations ! What a shame !It’s finally exposed !
    What kind of institution is it ?
    UK is the bigger European market! How many records Madonna and Celine sold in Germany compared with UK ??? You’re so ignorant ! you decide a market is greater than another one only according to the level of certification ? Inform yourself dear.
    Madonna is the best selling female artist in UK with 17 million records sold in that country,as showed clearly the source I posted.Your delusional ,biased and falsified bla bla bla and your fake and crappy links would never change nothing on it ,sorry !
    Mariah equals Celine in UK,the other European countries are totally ingnificant except for France…
    Celine has only two platinum certified singles in Europe and 3 platinum singles in US.They are not enough to prove that she could sold even 25 million singles worldwide since 1989 to 2011 !
    Mimi owns over 15 certifieed platinum singles in US,without even includes her other million certified singles coming from Japan,Europe,etc… This is more than enough to prove Mariah’s 100 million singles sold worldwide !
    Mariah is and will stay the best selling female artist of all times !

  180. The Reason says:

    1) UK —> PLATINUM = 300K , GOLD : 100K

    2) I will mention certifications, not actual sales which

    are higher.

    MARIAH CAREY ALBUMS CERTIFICATION

    1.Mariah Carey (#6) 1xPLATINUM

    2.Emotions (#4) 1xPLATINUM

    3.Mtv Unplugged (#3) 1xGOLD

    4.Music Box (#1) 5xPLATINUM

    5.Merry Christmas (32) 1xGOLD

    6.Daydream (#1) 3xPLATINUM

    7.Butterfly (#2) 1xGOLD

    8.Number 1s (#10) 1xPLATINUM

    9.Rainbow (#8) 1xGOLD

    10.Glitter (#10) –

    11.Greatest Hits (#7) 1xPLATINUM

    12.Charmbracelet (#52) 1xGOLD

    13.The Remixies –

    14.The Emancipation Of Mimi (#7) 2xPLATINUM

    15.E=MC2 (#3) 1xGOLD

    16.The Ballads (#13) 1xGOLD

    17.Memoirs Of An Imperfect Angels (#23) 1xSILVER

    18.Merry Christmas To You (#101) –

    14 PLATINUM , 7 GOLD, 1 SILVER CERTIFICATIONS

    MARIAH SINGLES CERTIFICATIONS

    1.Without You 1xGOLD

    2.All I Want For Christmas Is You 1xGOLD

    3.Fantasy 1xSILVER

    4.One Sweet Day 1xSILVER

    5.Against All Odds 1xSILVER

    2 GOLD , 3 SILVER CERTIFICATIONS

    ————————————–

    CELINE DION ALBUMS CERTIFICATIONS

    1.The Colour Of My Love (#1) 5xPLATINUM

    2.D’Eux (#7) 1xGOLD

    3.Falling Into You (#1) 7xPLATINUM

    4.Let’s Talk About Love (#1) 6xPLATINUM

    5.S’il Suffisait D’aimer (#17) 1xGOLD

    6.These Are Special Times (#20) 1xGOLD

    7.All The Way (#1) 2xPLATINUM

    8.A New Day Has Come (#1) 1xPLATINUM

    9.One Heart (#4) 1xGOLD

    10.Miracle (#5) 1xGOLD

    11.Taking Chances (#5) 1xPLATINUM

    12.My Love (#5) 1xPLATINUM

    23 PLATINUM AND 5 GOLD CERTIFICATIONS

    CELINE DION SINGLES CERTIFICATIONS

    1.Think Twice 2xPLATINUM

    2.Because You Loved Me 1xSILVER

    3.It Is All Coming Back To Me Now 1xSILVER

    4.All By Myself 1xSILVER

    5.Tell Him 1xGOLD

    6.My Heart Will Go On 2xPLATINUM

    7.Immortality 1xSILVER

    8.I Am Your Angel 1xSILVER

    4 PLATINUM CERTIFICATIONS , 1 GOLD , 5 SILVER

    CERTIFICATIONS

    BPI certifications are based on the amount of records shipped to stores minus returns, meaning if there are many copies of a single on the shelves at retail and there is no demand for them, they will be shipped back to the record label and will not be counted in the certification.

    * Silver = 200,000 shipped to retailers
    * Gold = 400,000 shipped to retailers
    * Platinum = 600,000 shipped to retailers

    – FACTS

    * In June of 1996, Mariah was presented with a plaque for sales/shipment of 4 million albums and over 3 million singles.

    * BBC (The UK’s equivalent to the US & Canada’s CNN) reported that Mariah had shipped 5 million albums in the UK as of March 2000.

    * In March 2002, Dion was presented with a special award in recognition of 15 million album and single sales in the United Kingdom.

    Both Mariah and Celine sold over 6m singles in Uk, despite the fact that Mariah is undercertified there.

    Uk is Mariah’s highest selling European market. Celine’s

    is France.Germany is bigger than both UK and France,

    exactly because of it’s certifications level. It is

    just not Celine’s and Mariah’s best markets. Madonna

    slays in Germany though.IFPI doesn’t certifie singles,

    but albums. All the singles info come from each market

    in specific. If you even consider BPI and BBC partial, I

    rest my case.

    Now shut the fu** up, cause you

    know sh** on sales ! The link you posted mentions

    SINGLE sales, as Mariah has sold over 7m ALBUMS in Uk

    and over 6m singles ! = 13m + UK sales and you came

    to say her total RECORDS stands at 6m ?

    Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha !

    YOU FAIL BITCH ! YOU CAN’T EVEN SUPPORT MARIAH ! YOU

    KNOW N O T H I N G !

    On top of these, the bitch that mentioned Number 1s

    in Fidji Islands , Heiti , Jamaica and Costa Rica

    (Ha ha ha) and then couldn’t cite them (Ha ha ha)

    CAN’T call ME delusional and liar.

    Stay Exposed

    Stay Pressed

    Stay Stupid Crazy Insect. YOU F A I L !!!

  181. shutup says:

    oh jesus christ stupid butfly. you don’t even say are those albums or single sales. but I have seen that list and that vh1 list is about single sales you dum cow. Madonna has sold more than 35 million records in uk alone. remember records it means albums + singles
    A new improved top 40 for you all courtesy of Haven. GITM and MATM’s sales have been officially increased, pushing Deeper and Deeper into a likely 41st place.

    MTV broadcast “Madonna Official Top 40”, which was subsequently shown on VH1. The sales figures were provided by The Official Charts Company:

    MADONNA OFFICIAL TOP 40 September 2010

    Position / Song Title / Year Released / Sales

    1 Into The Groove 1985 860,000
    2 Like A Virgin 1984 780,000
    3 Holiday 1984 770,000
    4 Crazy For You 1985 670,000
    5 Papa Don’t Preach 1986 645,000
    6 Hung Up 2005 560,000
    7 Like A Prayer 1989 550,000
    8 True Blue 1986 545,000
    9 Frozen 1998 525,000
    10 Beautiful Stranger 1999 520,000
    11 Vogue 1990 505,000
    12 4 Minutes Madonna & Justin 2008 475,000
    13 La Isla Bonita 1987 435,000
    14 Music 2000 410,000
    15 Material Girl 1985 405,000
    16 American Pie 2000 385,000
    17 Who’s That Girl 1987 380,000
    18 Don’t Cry For Me Argentina 1996 340,000
    19 Borderline 1984 310,000
    20 You’ll See 1995 305,000
    21 Gambler 1985 295,000
    22 Live To Tell 1986 280,000
    23 This Used To Be My Playground 1992 275,000
    24 Ray Of Light 1998 275,000
    25 Erotica 1992 270,000
    26 Dear Jessie 1989 255,000
    27 Me Against The Music Britney Spears ft. Madonna 2003 240,000
    28 Justify My Love 1990 235,000
    29 Causing A Commotion 1987 230,000
    30 Dress You Up 1985 210,000
    31 Hanky Panky 1990 210,000
    32 Angel 1985 205,000
    33 Express Yourself 1989 200,000
    34 Cherish 1989 200,000
    35 Open Your Heart 1986 195,000
    36 Sorry 2006 195,000
    37 Don’t Tell Me 2000 185,000
    38 The Power Of Goodbye / Little Star 1998 180,000
    39 Die Another Day 2002 175,000
    40 Give It 2 Me 2008 170,000

    here is her estimation between 40 and 60

    41 (41) Madonna — Rain :: (131k)
    42 (42) Madonna — Nothing Really Matters :: (128k)
    43 (43) Madonna [Britney Spears ft] — Me Against The Music :: (126k)
    44 (44) Madonna — Look Of Love :: (121k)
    45 (45) Madonna — Secret :: (118k)
    46 (46) Madonna — Lucky Star :: (117k)
    47 () Madonna — Celebration :: 108k
    48 (47) Madonna — Take A Bow :: (103k)
    49 (48) Madonna — Give It 2 Me :: (101k) (was at 150k at the end of 2008 so at least in 39th place now)
    50 (49) Madonna — I’ll Remember :: (100k)
    51 (50) Madonna — Bedtime Story :: (97k)
    52 (51) Madonna — Drowned World (Substitue For Love) :: (91k)
    53 (52) Madonna — You Must Love Me :: (90k)
    54 (53) Madonna — What It Feels Like For A Girl :: (87k)
    55 (54) Madonna — Fever :: (86k)
    56 (55) Madonna — Human Nature :: (81k)
    57 (56) Madonna — Another Suitcase In Another Hall :: (75k)
    58 (57) Madonna — Bad Girl :: (75k)
    59 (58) Madonna — American Life :: (72k)
    60 (59) Madonna — Get Together :: (67k)
    61 (60) Madonna — Hollywood :: (60k)
    62 (61) Madonna — Oh Father :: (59k)
    63 (62) Madonna — One More Chance :: (57k)
    64 (63) Madonna — Jump :: (52k)
    65 (64) Madonna — Love Profusion :: (41k)
    66 () Madonna — Miles Away :: 15k

    ahe has sold aover 17 million singles in uk alone.

  182. shutup says:

    here is Madonna’s total single sales for europe

    1..Into The Groove…………….1985….2.455.000
    2..Hung Up……………………2005….2.210.000
    3..La Isla Bonita……………..1987….2.155.000
    4..Frozen…………………….1998….2.065.000
    5..Like A Prayer………………1989….2.015.000
    6..Papa Don’t Preach…………..1986….1.990.000
    7..Don’t Cry For Me Argentina…..1996….1.710.000
    8..Like A Virgin………………1984….1.675.000
    9..Who’s That Girl…………….1987….1.600.000
    10.True Blue………………….1986….1.510.000
    11.4 Minutes………………….2008….1.425.000
    12.Music……………………..2000….1.305.000
    13.Vogue……………………..1990….1.280.000
    14.Holiday……………………1984….1.270.000
    15.American Pie……………….2000….1.245.000
    16.Beautiful Stranger………….1999….1.160.000
    17.Crazy For You………………1985….1.035.000
    18.Live To Tell……………….1986….1.000.000
    19.The Power Of Goodbye………..1998……845.000
    20.This Used To Be My Playground..1992……835.000
    21.You’ll See…………………1995……805.000
    22.Material Girl………………1985……730.000
    23.Secret…………………….1994……725.000
    24.Gambler……………………1985……680.000
    25.Don’t Tell Me………………2000……640.000
    26.Justify My Love…………….1990……625.000
    27.Ray Of Light……………….1998……625.000
    28.Die Another Day…………….2002……625.000
    29.Express Yourself……………1989……595.000
    30.Dress You Up……………….1985……560.000
    31.Erotica……………………1992……555.000
    32.Open Your Heart…………….1987……545.000
    33.Give It 2 Me……………….2008……545.000
    34.Cherish……………………1989……535.000
    35.Celebration………………..2009……500.000
    36.Sorry……………………..2006……485.000
    37.Take A Bow…………………1994……475.000
    38.Causing A Commotion…………1987……435.000
    39.Angel……………………..1985……420.000
    40.Borderline…………………1984……395.000
    41.Dear Jessie………………..1989……395.000
    42.Hanky Panky………………..1990……390.000
    43.Me Against The Music………..2003……390.000
    44.The Look Of Love……………1987……325.000
    45.Rescue Me………………….1991……320.000
    46.Rain………………………1993……320.000
    47.American Life………………2003……320.000
    48.Deeper And Deeper…………..1992……270.000
    49.I’ll Remember………………1994……270.000
    50.Bad Girl…………………..1992……265.000
    51.Nothing Really Matters………1999……265.000
    52.Drowned World………………1998……235.000
    53.Hollywood………………….2003……235.000
    54.What It Feesl Like For A Girl..2001……230.000
    55.You Must Love Me……………1996……205.000
    56.Miles Away…………………2008……200.000
    55.Lucky Star…………………1984……170.000
    56.Get Together……………….2006……170.000
    59.Human Nature……………….1995……155.000
    60.Fever……………………..1993……150.000
    61.Bedtime Story………………1995……150.000
    62.Love Profusion……………..2003……135.000
    63.Jump………………………2006……125.000
    64.Another Suitcase Another Hall..1996……105.000
    65.Nothing Fails………………2003…….95.000
    66.Oh Father………………….1995…….80.000
    67.One More Chance…………….1995…….80.000
    68.Revolver…………………..2009…….80.000
    69.Oh Father………………….1989…….75.000
    70.Love Don’t Live Here Anymore…1995…….35.000
    71.Bye Bye Baby……………….1993…….20.000

    The total, counting albums tracks sales and digital sales for pre-2005 tracks should be around 48,8 million. of course you will say that my list is lie and biased and so on, but what do you have. you have no proofs not a single one link to prove your delusional sales for Mariah. Mariah has not sold 50 million albums in europe, lol. she barely sold 5 million albums in 00s in europe. Madonna sold over 18 million albums during 2000-2009 in europe

    madonna has sold 42 million singles in USA

    singles (physical + digital)
    1..Everybody………………….1982……295.000
    2..Burning Up…………………1983……205.000
    3..Holiday……………………1983……700.000
    4..Borderline…………………1984……800.000
    5..Lucky Star…………………1984……675.000
    6..Like A Virgin………………1984….2.225.000
    7..Material Girl………………1985……960.000
    8..Crazy For You………………1985….1.445.000
    9..Into The Groove…………….1985……220.000
    10.Angel……………………..1985….1.095.000
    11.Dress You Up……………….1985……535.000
    12.Live To Tell……………….1986……735.000
    13.Papa Don’t Preach…………..1986……895.000
    14.True Blue………………….1986……650.000
    15.Open Your Heart…………….1986……605.000
    16.La Isla Bonita……………..1987……645.000
    17.Who’s That Girl…………….1987……530.000
    18.Causing A Commotion…………1987……450.000
    19.Spotlight………………….1987…….10.000
    20.Like A Prayer………………1989….1.950.000
    21.Express Yourself……………1989……760.000
    22.Cherish……………………1989……550.000
    23.Oh Father………………….1989……285.000
    24.Keep It Together……………1990……365.000
    25.Vogue……………………..1990….2.555.000
    26.Hanky Panky………………..1990……320.000
    27.Justify My Love…………….1990….1.780.000*
    28.Rescue Me………………….1991……320.000
    29.This Used To Be My Playground..1992….1.020.000
    30.Erotica……………………1992……560.000
    31.Deeper And Deeper…………..1992……355.000
    32.Bad Girl…………………..1993……220.000
    33.Rain………………………1993……415.000
    34.I’ll Remember………………1994……680.000
    35.Secret…………………….1994……585.000
    36.Take A Bow…………………1994……795.000
    37.Bedtime Story………………1995……150.000
    38.Human Nature……………….1995……270.000
    39.You’ll See…………………1995……530.000
    40.Love don’t live here anymore…1996……105.000
    41.You Must Love Me……………1996……655.000
    42.Don’t Cry For Me Argentina…..1997……355.000
    43.Frozen…………………….1998……860.000
    44.Ray Of Light……………….1998….1.010.000*
    45.Drowned World………………1998…….25.000
    46.The Power Of Goodbye………..1998……445.000
    47.Nothing Really Matters………1999……205.000
    48.Beautiful Stranger………….1999……215.000
    49.American Pie……………….2000…….95.000
    50.Music……………………..2000….1.535.000*
    51.Don’t Tell Me………………2000……620.000
    52.What It Feels Like For A Girl..2001……250.000*
    53.Die Another Day…………….2002……425.000
    54.American Life………………2003……140.000
    55.Hollywood………………….2003……120.000
    56.Me Against The Music………..2003……325.000
    57.Nothing Fails………………2003…….50.000
    58.Love Profusion……………..2004…….60.000
    59.Hung Up……………………2005….1.295.000
    60.Sorry……………………..2006……410.000
    61.Get Together……………….2006……155.000
    62.Jump………………………2006……185.000
    63.4 Minutes………………….2008….2.860.000
    64.Give It 2 Me……………….2008……360.000
    65.Miles Away…………………2008…….60.000
    66.Celebration………………..2009……235.000
    67.Revolver…………………..2009…….40.000
    *= includes VHS/DVD sales

    Album Tracks:
    1..Physical Attraction…………1983…….25.000
    2..Santa Baby…………………1987……200.000
    3..Candy Shop…………………2008…….40.000
    4..Beat Goes On……………….2008…….65.000
    5..It’s So Cool……………….2009…….10.000

    +400.000 copies for other tracks**
    TOT: 41.975.000

    Most top 10 singles in USA
    Madonna (37)
    Elvis Presley (36)
    The Beatles (29)
    Michael Jackson (28)
    Elton John (27) (tie)
    Janet Jackson (27) (tie)
    Mariah Carey (27) (tie)
    Stevie Wonder (27) (tie)

    Most number-two hits
    6 — Madonna
    5 — Elvis Presley
    5 — The Carpenters
    5 — Creedence Clearwater Revival

    READ THIS INFORMATION FROM THIS LINK TRASH

    billboard.com/bbcom/specials/hot100/charts/top100-artists-20.shtml

    between Europe and USA Madonna has sold 90 MILLION SINGLES AND WORLDWIDE WELL OVER 100 MILLION.

    worldwide single sales

    1..Like A Virgin………………1984…..5.345.000
    2..Like A Prayer………………1989…..5.080.000
    3..Vogue……………………..1990…..5.000.000
    4..4 Minutes………………….2008…..4.865.000
    5..Hung Up……………………2005…..4.470.000
    6..Papa Don’t Preach…………..1986…..3.845.000
    7..La Isla Bonita……………..1987…..3.730.000
    8..Into The Groove…………….1985…..3.465.000
    9..Music……………………..2000…..3.310.000
    10.Crazy For You………………1985…..3.265.000
    11.Frozen…………………….1998…..3.230.000
    12.Justify My Love…………….1990…..3.010.000
    13.True Blue………………….1986…..2.940.000
    14.Who’s That Girl…………….1987…..2.725.000
    15.Holiday……………………1983…..2.430.000
    16.Live To Tell……………….1986…..2.305.000
    17.Don’t Cry For Me Argentina…..1996…..2.260.000
    18.Material Girl………………1985…..2.205.000
    19.This Used To Be My Playground..1992…..2.105.000
    20.Angel……………………..1985…..2.050.000
    21.Ray Of Light……………….1998…..1.850.000
    22.Express Yourself……………1989…..1.780.000
    23.Beautiful Stranger………….1999…..1.575.000
    24.American Pie……………….2000…..1.555.000
    25.Secret…………………….1994…..1.530.000
    26.Borderline…………………1984…..1.480.000
    27.Open Your Heart…………….1986…..1.475.000
    28.Don’t Tell Me………………2000…..1.460.000
    29.You’ll See…………………1995…..1.455.000
    30.Dress You Up……………….1985…..1.440.000
    31.Take A Bow…………………1994…..1.405.000
    32.The Power Of Goodbye………..1998…..1.400.000
    33.Cherish……………………1989…..1.360.000
    34.Erotica……………………1992…..1.285.000
    35.Die Another Day…………….2002…..1.265.000
    36.Causing A Commotion…………1987…..1.245.000
    37.Miles Away…………………2008…..1.205.000
    38.I’ll Remember………………1994…..1.070.000
    39.Lucky Star…………………1984…..1.045.000
    40.Give It 2 Me……………….2008…..1.045.000
    41.Sorry……………………..2006…..1.020.000
    42.You Must Love Me……………1996…….965.000
    43.Hanky Panky………………..1990…….950.000
    44.Me Against The Music………..2003…….920.000
    45.Rain………………………1993…….910.000
    46.Gambler……………………1985…….880.000
    47.Rescue Me………………….1991…….865.000
    48.Celebration………………..2009…….815.000
    49.Deeper And Deeper…………..1992…….750.000
    50.Keep It Together……………1990…….580.000
    51.Human Nature……………….1995…….570.000
    52.What It Feels Like For A Girl..2001…….570.000
    53.American Life………………2003…….560.000
    54.Bad Girl…………………..1992…….550.000
    55.Nothing Really Matters………1999…….535.000
    56.Dear Jessie………………..1989…….475.000
    57.Oh Father………………….1989…….435.000
    58.The Look Of Love……………1987…….410.000
    59.Hollywood………………….2003…….405.000
    60.Bedtime Story………………1995…….360.000
    61.Get Together……………….2006…….360.000
    62.Everybody………………….1982…….355.000
    63.Jump………………………2006…….335.000
    64.Drowned World………………1998…….295.000
    65.Burnin Up………………….1983…….275.000
    66.Santa Baby…………………1987…….240.000
    67.Love Profusion……………..2003…….230.000
    68.Beat Goes On……………….2008…….190.000
    69.Love Don’t Live Here Anymore…1995…….175.000
    70.Nothing Fails………………2003…….165.000
    71.Fever……………………..1993…….160.000
    72.Candy Shop…………………2008…….160.000
    73.Revolver…………………..2010…….130.000
    74.Heartbeat………………….2008…….120.000
    75.Another Suitcase……………1997…….115.000
    76.One More Chance…………….1995……..95.000
    77.Oh Father………………….1995……..85.000
    78.Spotlight………………….1987……..55.000
    79.Bye Bye Baby……………….1993……..55.000
    80.It’s So Cool……………….2009……..35.000
    81.Physical Attraction…………1983……..30.000
    82.Love Don’t Live Here Anymore…1985……..15.000

    TOT: almost 113.000.000 singles + 196 million albums.

    madonna’s tours

    sticky and sweet tour 408 mil
    confession tour 195 mil
    re invention tour 125 mil
    drowned world tour 75 mil

    with these 4 tour she has crossed over 800 million dollars from tickets sales. adding tours from 80’s and 90’s she has crossed over 1 billion and so has celine.

    mariah in the other had has maybe crossed 100 million.

  183. The Reason says:

    Mariah Carey’s official site biography during the promotion of ‘Glitter’

    ”After closing out the 90’s as the undisputed biggest-selling female recording artist of the decade – in excess of 150 million albums and singles have been sold worldwide – singer / songwriter / producer Mariah Carey unleashes Glitter, her eagerly awaited Virgin Records debut and first musical offering of the new millennium.”

    Source: Mariah Carey’s Official Site – 2001

  184. The Reason says:

    I guess TRISH has read Mariah’s Official Biography

    mentioning MC sold over 150m RECORDS by 2000 and probably

    confused the words records/albums again and that’s why

    she insisted that Mariah sold 150m Albums by 2001. And

    then tried to make us all (and herself) swallow it by

    inflating her 90s album sales to reach the 150m mark

    by 2000. Now it obvious this is a pure contradiction

    not only to World Music Awards and Columbia Records

    but also to her whole management team and Official Sites

    & her Official Biography.

    After these, I think we all get that this debate should

    end now.

  185. BUTTERFLY says:

    Mariah sold the same amount of records than Celine in UK.
    About hits,I proved that Mariah has 3 times Celine Top 20 hits even in the 2000 decade.Celine has zero Top 20 Hits in US for the whole 2000 decade.What a shame !
    Shutup,Mariah has sold albums and more singles than Madonna worldwide ! All your lists are not enough to prove that Madonna could sold as much as Mariah worldwide,since Madonna has only 4 platinum singles for her entire career.These figures you showed are relevant only to airplay ! not for sales.Sales are expressed by exact number and relevant certifications,not by biased estimations based on sexual scandals,clown moves,acrobatic dance,pull faces,jokes,etc…Mariah’s achievements are facts ! They are expressed concretly in the reality,not just by awards,citations and links.Sorry guys,but Mariah rules the game.

  186. shutup says:

    well this debate will never end but I don’t care because I know that Madonna is the best selling female artist and she is a legend. I prefer celines music and voice over Mariah.

  187. Butterffly says:

    A chart was shown on VH1 in March 2010. With Cliff Richard selling more than any other act. There are 4 new artists in the top 40, Britney Spears, Mariah Carey, Prince and Eminem.

    Cliff Richard (21,350,000)
    Elvis Presley (20,840,000)
    The Beatles (20,800,000)
    Madonna (17,000,000)
    Elton John (14,725,000)
    Michael Jackson (14,030,000)
    Queen (11,900,000)
    ABBA (10,040,000)
    Rihanna (10,000,00)
    Paul McCartney (9,910,000)
    David Bowie (9,910,000)
    Rod Stewart (9,500,000)
    Kylie Minogue (9,200,000)
    The Rolling Stones (8,990,000)
    Stevie Wonder (8,290,000)
    Whitney Houston (7,800,000)
    Spice Girls (7,780,000)
    Oasis (7,645,000)
    George Michael (7,475,000)
    Shakin’ Stevens (7,260,000)
    Bee Gees (7,200,000)
    Status Quo (7,000,000)
    Boyzone (6,750,000)
    Blondie (6,745,000)
    Slade (6,720,000)
    Olivia Newton-John (6,630,000)
    Boney M (6,560,000)
    Robbie Williams (6,560,000)
    Britney Spears (6,420,000)
    Tom Jones (6,375,000)
    U2 (6,345,000)
    UB40 (6,345,000)
    Westlife (6,320,000)
    Celine Dion (6,140,000)
    Mariah Carey (6,140,000)
    Police (5,940,000)
    Madness (5,850,000)
    Dianna Ross (5,675,000)
    Wham! (5,660,000)
    Prince (5,620,000)
    Eminem (5,540,450)
    Peter Andre (5,250,000)
    Mariah equals Celine on sales in UK the greatest European market.
    Celine doesn’t really have such a big difference in Europe beside Mariah ( 2 times Mariah’s album sold in Europe ) !

  188. LuckyLuke says:

    The idiot that said Mariah’s record sales in UK stand at

    6m came back to post her crap ?

    Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz………………..

    Stupid people don’t know when to stop.

    This is a life fact..!

  189. Butterfly says:

    Mariah Carey is the best selling female artist of all times .
    The stupid dickless guy that said Madonna have wider vocal range than Whitney,that Celine sold more records than Mariah,that Celine voice can compared to Mariah’s ,etc…came back in this blog that talk about female artists !
    I never met guys that have female artists as model ! Moff,Kiss-Keith,Lucky Luke,Shutup,all these guys consider themselves as such female persons ! They are not normal guys,they shouldbe in male artists blogs,in sports forums talkin about soccer superstars,football’s legends,etc…or play video games on internet with other guys from every countries worldwide,like do my 12 years little brother.He also emulates the stars of karate and spend his time talkin about male superstars with his friends.You guys,you are really weird ! You argue with female posters about female artists ! DAMN !!!!

  190. The Reason says:

    The idiot that mentioned MC sold 6m records in UK is

    trying to diss us cause she ran out of arguments.

    Pathetic.

    Plus, taking life advice from the troll that’s been here

    insulting people for over a year ? Please, I’ll pass.

    <3

  191. BUTTERFLY says:

    The fool that already said goodbye to popdirt debates 7 to 8 times,is back ,having no more falsified and biased links to support his crap ??? You’re the shame of every male persons !You ought to have surgery and remove your dick and a pussy to be replaced by cause you’re not a normal guy !Pathetic pig !

  192. The Reason says:

    Wow ! Someone is really angry and pressed ! #LOL#

    No matter what you think about links – that’s not

    the issue here – at least I didn’t contradict with any

    – Labels Anouncements

    – Official Sites

    – Official Biographies

    – Awards

    – Certifications

    – Music Insitutions

    – Media

    – Magazines

    You contradict with ALL these and like that was not

    enough you even contradict with YOURSELF , proved by the

    sales per market parody.

    Keep insulting.

    Stay exposed and pressed <3

  193. BUTTERFLY says:

    Angry? Hahaha! You have no idea about my mind.I never feel so good and so light ! You are not enough to make me angry,silly pig.All your biased links contradict each other ! Nowadays,even Wikipedia,the greatest Celine’s supporter site and the worst Mariah hater website,admit that Mariah sold more albums and more singles than Celine worldwide ! I gave any contradict arguments since all of them lies on facts unlike yours. You become seriously fool with your silly sources.Mariah is the best selling female artist of all times ! Take it pathetic pig !

  194. The Reason says:

    So you write ”pathetic pig” while you are calm and

    light ? You insult people without being angry ? By

    being peaceful ? This is more serious than I thought.

    Second, Wikipedia mentions 200m albums for Celine and

    200m records for MC. Just Google ”Celine Dion

    Wikipedia” and ”Mariah Carey wikipedia”. Only a fool

    would mention a source which calls biased the past year.

    Third if we trust Wikipedia then Madonna is the best

    seller. FAIL#

    Finally, I would like to see which of my links EXACTLY

    contradict with each other and why. Can you mention that

    in SPECIFIC ? Answer : NO. Like you couldn’t mention

    Mariah’s number 1s in Jamaica and which music experts

    panned Celine for her nasality and so on.

    #FLUSHED#

  195. BUTTERFLY says:

    Check the Wikipedia list of best selling artist of all times and also the list of best selling female artists of all times,then you could see in these both articles, Mariah Carey is ahead of Celine on records sales. Yes,you’re links lies,since they even put Celine’s Let’s talk About Love sold 1 million in Brazil.See the list of best selling artists in Brazil,Mariah sold more than Celine there,you claimed the opposite according to your biased “links”.About Hits,I proved that Celine has ZERO TOP 20 Hits in US for the whole 2000 decade ! I also proved that Mariah has more than 3 times Celine’s hits worldwide even at the 2000 !
    Is this not enough to deny your lies about Celine’s popularity and success on the 2000’s ? Celine also has ZERO selling Single worldwide at the 2000’s.All her achievements lies on “links” not on real facts !
    You said “If We trust Wikipedia Madonna is the best selling” We don’t talk about Madonna right now,but about Celine that you always want to put next to Madonna as second best selling female artist ashamed liar ! You keep posting that I said Mariah has number 1 Hits on Jamaica,Fidji,Haiti,etc… At least,I proved her supremacy over Celine on the greatest musical Charts worldwide ( US, UK,Australia,Japan,etc…).There is no need to be angry for calling you Pig,cause this is who you are,a pig ! You’re so crazy that you think writing “Fail” or “Flush” after a post mean that your argument is better than mines.Silly retarded boy,why don’t you emulate other true guys that have a life? Mariah Carey sold more albums and more singles than Madonna and Celine worldwide !

  196. BUTTERFLY says:

    PS: Celine has zero million seller single for the whole 2000 decade.

  197. BUTTERFLY says:

    Your links also lie about Celine’s albums sales in Canada.Celine sold 7.1 million albums in Canada according to the list of the 10 best selling artists in Canada.Another lie,Celine isn’t the best selling artist in Canada,The Beatles are !

  198. The Reason says:

    You are a desperate biased troll that suddenly remembered

    WIKIPEDIA to support Mariah ! LOL

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_music_artists (That’s the Link)

    First, it says Mariah sold 200m records. This is what I

    am saying for months. That she sold over 200m records.

    And of course over 200m for Celine as well and over 300m

    for Madonna.

    These Mariah sales are confirmed by

    – Her Official Biography

    – Her Labels Announcements Over The Year

    – Her Official Sites

    – Her FAN Sites

    You will be surprised to see they ALL COMBINED mention

    sales of 200m records. You can also try media and

    newpapers since you used to lie that you trust

    newpapers. It is everywhere that MC sold sth more than

    200m records.

    Second, you mentioned a list of best sellers in Brazil.

    Show it to me. (I bet you can’t)

    Third , you mentioned a list of best sellers in Canada.

    Show it to me. (I bet you can’t)

    Fourth, the fact that you brought SOME single facts

    doesn’t change the fact that YOU ARE A BIG FAT EXPOSED

    LIAR for claiming FAKE THINGS YOU CAN’T PROVE.

    Fifth, an artist that doesn’t sell CHEAP DOWNLOADED SONGS

    is not considered unpopular, when it is obvious people

    around the world buy his/her albums & DVDs & attend her

    concerts. Downloading a single costs 1 dollar ,attending

    a concert costs 50-500 dollads. And of course getting

    an album or DVD is 20 times more expensive than

    downloading songs.

    ———————————————————

    TAKE NOTE NOW : PROOF OF CRAZINESS AND STUPIDITY

    You just brought a link to show Mariah suprasses

    Celine, when the link states they are equal in sales.LOL

    Plus, you brought up that link where Madonna is shown

    ahead of MC , and YOU kept on saying Mariah is the best

    seller !!!

    As of Canada,to show you how STUPID you are once again :

    Celine has 7 DIAMOND selling albums in Canada. Meaning

    7 of her albums sold over 1m.

    Did you just said she sold 7m albums there in total ?

    Funny cause you used to say she sold 12m ! OUCH !

    The insect is exposed again ! sobs !

  199. The Reason says:

    Omg ! Forget it ! Don’t even bother reply. I know

    where you got the list of Canadian artists.

    From Wikipedia !!!

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_albums_in_Canada

    That’s a joke for all these artists.

    If you see another Wikipedia page it mentions more

    Diamond sellers for these artists.

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_diamond-certified_albums_in_Canada

    Not only you trusted what Wikipedia said about

    Celine selling 7.1m in Canada, but ABOVE that you said

    that The Beatles are the best sellers there while the

    link mentions 3.2m for them. -.-‘ What a mess..!

    Something is wrong with you. Finally, since you are a

    Wikipedia supporter please check Celine’s certifications

    In Canada.

    Unison : 7xP = 700K

    A New Day Has Come : 6xP = 600K

    One Heart : 3xP = 300K

    D’Eux : 7xP = 700K

    Taking Chances : 4xP =400K

    and so on…her Non-Diamond albums, still got high

    multiplatinum certifications and like you had said her

    80s albums sold around 1.4m copies in Canada.

    Now, really don’t bother reply on these. I was surprised

    that you changed your opinion so suddenly on her Canadian

    sales so I had to search alone.

    Bye Bye

  200. BUTTERFLY says:

    You said people buy Mariah’s singles because they are cheap? But why they doesn’t buy Celine’s ? Are they more expensive than Mariah’s ? Concerts are nothing to do with Singles sales and hits ! Records sales includes albums and singles sales,not concert tickets sales !The fact is that Celine’s show have success because they are exactly like a prestigious circus show ! Celine jokes,pull faces and comedic moves are enough to entertain,and amuse the people like in the circus.Instead of a unpopular clown,the show featuring a famous singer that already make her proofs at the 1990’s and that is really talentuous as humorist and comedian…Lol !
    If Celine’s concerts were successful because of her singing performances and her songs,they would Charted in good rank on Hit Charts and people around the world would buy them unlike Mariah’s ! But this is Mariah’s songs that still climb Charts and sell around the world !

    Liar! I claimed Wikipedia lists here cause everyone knows how much Wikipedia is partial in favor of Celine and hostil against Mariah.If Wikipedia finally recognize Mariah sold 20 million records over Celine.That’s mean Mariah surpass Celine’s sales by 100 million records the less ! (The list of Wikipedia best selling female artists of all times said Mariah sold 220 million records and Celine 200 million records.)Your lies can change nothing since everyone can verify this claim.So,that prove I still right when I claim that Mariah Carey sold 300 million records worldwide and she is the best selling female artist of all times !
    Bye sweetheart !

  201. The Reason says:

    My point was that it is wrong judging an AC artist as

    irrelevant, because he/she didn’t sell singles in the

    Rnb/Hip Hop/Urban Dance era. There are many AC artists

    selling albums, but not digital downloads (=singles).

    Celine Dion, Josh Groban , Susan Boyle !

    The rest are your opinion on Celine’s shows and Wikipedia

    so I don’t challenge that at all. But using Wikipedia

    only against Celine is pathetic. If you wanna use a

    source you should have the guts to use it all the way.

    Otherwise you are biased.

  202. The Reason says:

    There is no Wikipedia list where Mariah is shown ahead

    of Celine. You must be confused or sth.

    Finally, I don’t care at all about Wikipedia – I never

    brought it up – since I know what Mariah’s sources claim.

    And all Mariah’s sources show 200m records + by 2011,

    so no matter how many times you are eager to repeat the

    300m myth, all your efforts die in insignificance.

    And when I say sources I mean a combination of

    – BILLBOARD

    – MEDIA

    – OFFICIAL SITE

    – BIOGRAPHY – 2001

    – LABELS

    – FAN SITES

    Is there any official source that contradicts with me ?

    Answer : NO.

    So I feel fine about myself.

    I am not a liar and not manipulative to trust PARTS of

    sources when it seems convinient.

  203. The Reason says:

    youtube.com/watch?v=Xwa2BTaBkZI (Play 3.18)

    Celine’s new sold out show is based on Celine’s voice,
    as it is a show featuring an ORCHESTRA of 31 MUSICIANS.
    It’s not a theatrical show like the previous one. It has
    almost 0 stage skill demands.95% of the song are BALLADS, either soft or power tragic ballads :

    – Open Arms

    – Where Does My Heart Beat Now

    – Because You Loved Me

    – Lullabye

    – The Reason

    – Ne Me Quitte Pas

    – My Heart Will Go On

    – MJ / Bond Tribute

    – All By Myself

    – The Power Of Love

    – Overjoyed

    – It Is All Coming Back To Me Now

    Celine is NOT allowed to be clumpsy or funny in this
    show, cause she should be looking classy and serious as
    most of the songs are covers and should show the proper
    respect both to the original singers and the musicians.

    So only a fool would see something comedic in this
    project.

    —->

    That being said Celine did 20 concerts and 84.000 people
    paid high priced tickets ranging from 50$ to 500$ to
    attend. Imagine Mariah doing so ! How much you would boast about that, since you boast about cheap downloads !

    I know you really can’t explain why your perfect
    Mariah can’t sell out even in small venues and she
    has to CANCEL shows, but you shouldn’t trash on Celine.

    —>

    Oh yeah ! and don’t say again that Mimi’s fans don’t
    care about her concerts, cause that kind of crap are
    silly excuses. That would mean that her fan base loves
    to have Mariah cancelling shows and watching empty seats
    to her concerts. #LOL# And no fan wants that for the
    artist they support. Plus, don’t even think of saying
    her fans care about her albums, because if that was a
    fact none of her 2001/2002/2008/2009/2010 albums would
    flop.

    —> So instead of bitching on Celine’s on stage attitude
    use your mind to explain why Mariah doesn’t sell out
    even in US, which is by far her strongest market in
    everything -> Albums, Singles, Dvds, Awards.

    Albums sales are low and singles are cheap. More singles than albums are sold : Obsessed sold 1.8m copies worldwide and Memoirs sold 1m. See ? That’s because
    Albums cost 20 Euros and Downloading a song 1Euro the
    most.

    So having 7m people paying an average of 250$ to attend
    a concert for 90 minutes, says pretty much everything on
    popularity and stability.

    This is not a biased fan talking. These are simple maths
    and no matter what you are going to say I am sure you
    got my points.

  204. The Reason says:

    And yeah MC has more hits because she focuced on making
    hits and not touring. Still, Celine has hits on her
    catalogue despite the fact that she never focused on
    hit making.

    Finally stop boasting about Mariah’s hit signles this decade because 2/3 of singles she released flopped,despite heavy promo and videos. Celine released only 17 COMMERCIAL singles (Mariah released 34) in English and French this decade and this is why she rarely appears on charts.

    – She released HALF COMMERCIAL singles.

    And only 5 of them became flops.(Live,Goodbye,The First Time Ever I Saw Your Face,One Heart,My Love)

    Mariah has more successful ones but she has more flops as well. Celine sells good singles rarely (talking about
    00s) but she also flops rarely.

    At least Celine,this decade,has her ticket,dvd and album sales that are either HUGE or stable (at worse) ! -Exept for Miracle which doesn’t count cause it is a kid
    albums,with recycled songs,and little promo – … The rest studio albums are certified all over the globe.
    Even Taking Chances went platinum in Australia,Africa,
    Us,Europe,Canada and so on..!

    Well…we can’t say the same about Mariah’s 2001/2002/2003/2008/2009/2010 releases cause they got
    certifications (gold or silver usually) in 2-8 markets the most..!

  205. Gambit says:

    Trish is right,Wikipedia really claim Maria sold more records than Celine.It’s useless to continue by deny it, everyone see it when they check Wikipedia list of best selling artists of all times and the list of best selling female artists of all times.Maria has 118 million certified records while Celine has 111 million certified records.I recognize that Celine is great,but Maria Carey is greater and sold more than her.Celine is successful on stage while Mariah is successful on Charts.Mariah sold more than Celine,stop continue to deny it,you look most than a pathetic crazy guy than Trish when you keep insisting by posting crap links and lies.At least Trish stopped to post comments since many days unlike you…LMAO ! I know that you will insult me ,but I don’t care cause I know how much you are pathetic.Yes, Madonna has sold more than Mariah but Maria has sold more than Celine,this is all the truth.Everything else you claim is your bulls**t crap.You’d better get a life stupid guy,the real sick person is you.

  206. The Reason says:

    So I will be crazy to insult the person that called me

    crazy and pathetic ? LOL But I won’t. Trish posted on

    the 19th May and I replied the next day to her post, so

    exactly HOW do I insist ?

    Second, the Wikipedia list you mention is the real crap

    as it deletes total sales for both Celine and MC. It says

    Celine sold 2m in Japan. LMAO ! She has 3 Million sellers

    (TCOML,FIY,LTAL) and one 2xMillion album (All The

    Way).Moreover, it says Mariah sold 88m in Us and

    1.7m in Australia ! LOL ! We all know Mariah sold 68m

    albums in Us (Over 100m records) and almost 3m in

    Australia. I can go on and on with the mistakes and fake

    estimations, if you want to. I am just bored of writing.

    Third, the list contains info for around 15 music markets

    ,not the whole world.

    Fourth, attacking me like you did is invalid since the

    Wikipedia list mentions a difference of 6m certified

    albums (SIX MILLION) and Trish screamed out that

    Wikipedia shows Mariah ahead of Celine for over 20m

    copies.

    Finally, show some originality at your posts please.

    I don’t know how people that don’t trust Billboard,

    Nielsen Soundscan, Awards, IFPI, Mediatraffic,

    Biographies and official announcements seem to put all

    their trust on Wikipedia. Funny thing, I was attacked on

    my very first post that I am a ”wikipedia

    representative”. LOL

    Anyway, bye bye and don’t insult me again.

  207. The Reason says:

    Sorry I meant 7m difference. Anyway, I don’t know why

    you all make a big deal about it since the total sales

    in this list are the same. Anyway…

    If you want to reply again go to the other debate please.

    I am done here.

  208. Kelly says:

    Madonna the queen.Mariah and Celine are just trashes,I can’t stand their musics.Mariah is a bitch.Recently,she’s accused to drink beer while she breast-feeds her babies . What a shame !
    Butterfly ,you’re just attention whore just like Mariah.Madonna is the best selling female,deal with it.

  209. Mario says:

    Kelly is right ! Even if Mariah has the better voice of all times, she sang crap songs only.Celine sing other artists songs.She has a huge nose,even her voice sound so nasal.Madonna is the queen,she has a pure voice,plus all her songs keep people in emotions and got deep meanings.Celine is a clown while Mariah is a bitch.Madonna blow the both away,she is the true artist!

  210. Butterfly says:

    Mariah Carey is the best selling female artist of all times.she sold over 200 million albums in 20 years of career and with 17 releases.
    Celine sold 1602 million albums and around 40 million singles with 52 albums released and around 318 singles released,in 30 years of career,singing in 2 different languages.Madonna sold 168 million albums and 65-70 million singles with more than 23 albums and over 100 different singles,in 28 years of career ,with sexual scandals and extravagancial self-publicities.
    Mariah sold 190-200 million albums and 90-100 million singles with 18 albums and 53 singles released,in 20 years of career.
    The clear best seller is Mariah.

    @ Kelly : Mariah was wrongly accused.The only whores here are you and your Madonna,delusional one .
    @Mario : get a life,stupid fanatic.Your wannabe singer is trash next to Mariah,the queen of music.

  211. Butterfly says:

    PS : I meant Celine sold 162 million albums,an error made me put 1062 and I know some pathetic haters would take advantage from it,so I correct it.

  212. MOFF says:

    Butterfly (Trish) is completely wrong.

    Sales:

    Madonna: 300 million records
    Mariah Carey: 220 million records
    Celine Dion: 240 million records sold.

    Mariah is not the 2nd best selling female, its Celine!

  213. js says:

    Mariah Carey has sold 200 million records
    tied with Celine Dion
    there is no way that Celine surpass Mariah they are actually tied,

  214. js says:

    Mariah Carey latest album sales worldwide
    Mariah Carey 15 million
    emotions 10 million
    mtv unplugged 10 million
    musicbox 32 million
    merry Christmas 15 million
    daydream 25 million
    butterfly 17 million
    1’s 21 million
    rainbow 12 million
    glitter 3 million
    greatest hits 4 million
    charmbracelet 6 million
    remixes 2 million
    emancipation of mimi 12 million
    e=mc2 3 million
    memoir of an impefect angel 2 million
    merry Christmas II you 1 million

    improving!
    more sales for Mariah Carey!

  215. MOFF says:

    Most sales are increased.
    If Memoirs sold 2 million, Celebration would be 3 million but Celebration has sold over 2 million by now, so I would say Memoirs has sold 1,5 million yet.

    Butterfly’s 17 million is too high, too. Its about 12-13 million.

    MTV Unplugged is too high as well, 8 million are better.

    1#s 21 million? Sorry you meant 17 million.

  216. BUTTERFLY says:

    If Celebration sold 3 million,Memoirs would sold 5 million.
    Butterfly is almost 18 million nowadays while Ray Of Light is almost 13 million worldwide.
    MTV Unplugged sold 10 million worldwide.

    1#s 21 million worldwide !
    Moff,I await your answer about Celine’s 1990 multimillion and million seller singles then her 2000’s ones.You dare say that Mariah sold only 5-10 million singles over Celine while you insist that Celine outsold Mariah’s albums by 25 -30 million.Are you crazy ? Mariah sold 15 million albums over Celine and 60 million singles over Celine.Take it dear hater !

  217. BUTTERFLY says:

    Mariah Carey is the best selling female artist of all times !

  218. MOFF says:

    Butterfly (Trish) is sick. She lies and will keep lying all the time.
    Her sales are fake sales because they are increased.
    Madonan is the best selling female artist of all time.
    You are so ill, !

    Delete Trish, ban trish, administrator !!

  219. js says:

    moff
    mtv unpluggled sold 10 million as of 2007!
    1’s sold 21 million as of 2010
    and memoir sold 2 million worldwide! gold in us alone!
    celebration sold 260000 only in us it was certified gold because it is a double album

  220. js says:

    as well as butterfly
    sol 17 million copies!

  221. js says:

    they are not increase
    because first of all I’m not liar!
    they are the fact! they are sales as of today count

  222. MOFF says:

    So “js”, how did you get this information?
    IFPI?
    RIAA?
    Guinness?
    Any press conference of Def Jam, Sony, Columbia .. etc?

    Celebration ahs sold more than Memoirs because:

    1. it was number one on the worldwide charts (mediatraffic)

    2. It has much more gold, silver or platinum certifications worldwide (besides USA)

    3. It was listed with 1,3 million copies by the end of 2009 and Memoirs 0,8 according to Mediatraffic

    4. It was number one in Germany, UK, Europe, Italy, Canada, Ireland, Russia, and top ten everywhere around the world.

    Memoirs instead: was only number one in US. Hip Hop RnB Charts and top ten in less than 10 countries.

    Celebration has sold less than Memoirs?
    haha.

  223. The Reason says:

    @ Js … you said MC sold 200m RECORDS in total and then

    – on your next post – you came to post that she sold

    over 180m ALBUMS.

    I am going to say two things to you :

    1) You are right that Mariah sold over 200m records

    2) Don’t visit Wikipedia for her album sales.

    You copy-pasted the Wikipedia ”facts”. Lately they

    changed sales of TEOM from 10m to 12m. This is why

    you called that new figure ”improved”.

    @ MOFF

    TRISH copies Wikipedia facts and inflates them

    because she thinks Wikipedia hates MC. For instance

    Wikipedia says 17m for ”Butterfly” (what js posted) so

    TRISH makes this OVER 18m -.-‘ She has been following

    Wikipedia claims (and then inflating them) all along and

    I can prove that anytime. With that being said…

    Moff, you are the mature person in here so be reasonable

    please, and just ignore her. We all know her attitude

    since she insults everyone and mainly Madonna and

    Celine. It’s like these two women did sth

    to harm her personally. :/ And all this happens for

    over a year. So let it be…

    @ Everyone

    PLEASE LEARN that Mariah’s MANAGEMENT TEAM controls her

    MAIN Wikipedia page. Which is this —>

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mariah_Carey#1997.E2.80.932000:_New_image.2C_Butterfly_and_Rainbow

    And if you check it everything claimed here is well

    sourced and accurate.

    We can’t say the same about the other Wikipedia pages

    about Mariah’s albums, cause half of the things posted

    there about her sales CAN BE EDITED BY ANYONE and most

    times instead of seeing a source ”[3][4]” , you see

    ”citation needed” ! Funny thing is that even where

    a source exists, it is usually UNAVAILABLE.

    Finally ->

    The whole point is that Mariah’s Wikipedia Page that

    is controled by her labels give us the correct about

    Mariah’s sales. Same info we get by

    – All Her Official Sites (and I mean ALL)

    – All Her Biographies (and I mean ALL)

    – All Her Label Announcements (2000,2001,2003,2010)

    – Media (Tv , Newspapers)

    I don’t say these to fight or debate. (I didn’t

    mention Celine at all).

    Everything I said about Wikipedia are ESTABLISHED FACTS.

    Not estimations, not my opinion. I hope you make these

    clear.

    Advice : Get over the whole sales thing. No matter what

    Mariah sold, she is a legend, a vocalist, a song

    creator, the most influencial artist of the past 20

    years, she has huge musicianship and is the smartest

    hit maker.

  224. js says:

    the reason I just don’t go to wikipedia
    i go to many sites to see her sales
    and as time goes by her sales is increasing.

  225. The Reason says:

    I also go to her sites and NONE of her official sites

    shows album sales of 180m. So please show me which

    official sites you visit.

  226. shutup says:

    lol for some sales estimations.

    buttfly:

    usa: 5x platinum
    europe platinum
    japan: million

    where does these magical 11 million comes from?
    butterfly is around 12 million copies worldwide.

    ray of light Madonna:

    usa: 4x platinum ( 3,8 from Soundscan and 0,4 from music club = 4,2 million
    europe: 7x platinum (sold around 7,5 million, last cerfication date was 2003.

    canada: 7x platinum

    with these markets it’s already 12,4 million.
    worldwide sales for ray of light is around 15-16 million.

  227. The Reason says:

    Debating using lies is pointless. Once again I will prove

    how much obsessed people love to lie :

    —MEMOIRS OF AN IMPERFECT ANGEL VS CELEBRATION—

    Memoirs Of An Imperfect Angel Certifications :

    Us : Gold 500k

    Uk : Silver 90k

    S.Korea : Platinum 15k+

    Brazil : Platinum 40k

    Strctly based on the certifications that album sold

    645.000+ worldwide.

    It was NOT certified in any other market worldwide.

    Celebration Certifications :

    Us : Gold 500k

    Europe : Platinum 1m

    Australia : Platinum 70k

    Japan : Gold 150k

    Argentina : Gold 30k

    Mexico : Platinum 100k

    Strictly based on the certifications that album sold

    1.860.000+ copies.

    Really…stop posting lies and theories and move on with

    you lives <3

  228. tane says:

    Madonna is a bigger seller, but I’m a huge Mariah fan! anyone who insults her watch out! haha:)

    madonna 300 million records
    mariah 220 million records

    who says I’m wrong?

    and @ js your right about what you say ‘mariahs sales are increasing’ but she doesn’t surpass Madonna:/

    Celine Dion doesn’t even come near Madonna, that just goes to show how popular Madonna is:)

    mariah was popular in the 90s the most popular artist infact, then her popularity fell in the years 2001-2004 but she got her popularity back again in 2005 with the album emancipation of mimi:)

    then yet again her popularity fell again in the year 2007 but got it again with the album E=MC2:) its like a cycle haha:)

    and now Madonna is a billionair! worth 1.1 billion as of 2011, whilst Mariah Carey is worth 750 million:)

    i love you Mariah Carey!!!!!!!!!!!!

  229. BUTTERFLY says:

    Moff,the only one thing that Lucky Luke and you proved in this blog is that you slept together,nothing else.
    Moff ,how did you get the information that Celine sold 50 million singles and Madonna 100 million ones ? In Lucky Luke’s theory?
    Since any among both doesn’t has even got 10 million seller singles worldwide.Do you think that Lucky Luke is a musical representative? Moff why do you pander to this guy like this? You repeat that Celine’s 1990 albums sales suurpass Mariah’s according to Lucky Luke’s theory.Which institution support your crap? Madonna fans station ? Celiniacs nasal club? Your so delusional ! Facts doesn’t lies on Lucky Luke’s claims idiot !
    I could say the same.,Mariah’s 2000 albums sales surpass Madonna and Celine’s by far cause,they counted the success of TOM by late.Mariah outsold Madonna and Celine by far !

  230. BUTTERFLY says:

    Charts doesn’t mean nothing at all about sales,otherwise Celine’s albums wouldn’t sold 10 units according to their rank on Charts.Moreover,its depend in which country a album had rank #1.Only big markets as US,Japan,UK and France are important in Charts ranks.Memoir still outsold Celebration although its got less country in which it was number 1 in Charts.

  231. BUTTERFLY says:

    Mediatrafic is a biased institution based on partial estimations,not on count.The same goes for IFPI.Guinness has nothing to do with music sales.Its just repeat IFPI and Mediatrafic’s partial datas.Even Billboard estimations are not reliable.Billboard is credible on Chart question,its doesn’t count sales,RIAA do.Why don’t you based your datas on RIAA’s? Is because you know very well that only RIAA’s are real.Madonna and Celine worth nothing in singles sales beside Mariah according to RIAA real count ! You deny it and continue by saying Madonna sold 100 million singles and Celine 50 million.In facts,Madonna doesn’t surpass 65 million singles and Celine 28 million singles sold worldwide.Only Mariah Carey surpass 100 million singles sold worldwide !

  232. BUTTERFLY says:

    @The Reason: You said that Mariah sold 200 million records ? Let me tell you that Celine doesn’t reach this number even by July 2011 ! Celine global records sales are 185-194 million from 1981-2011 dear honey.Wake up from your daydream !
    Lucky Luke and Moff copy IFPI and Mediatrafic lies,then increase them by make them much more biased than they already are !
    Shutup,you know nothing on music.Just still repeat after Lucky Luke’s lies,just like Moff and you usually do !

  233. BUTTERFLY says:

    Mariah Carey is the best selling female artist of all times !
    1- Mariah Carey 300 million records
    2-Madonna 225 million records
    3-Whitney Houston 215 million records
    4-Celine Dion 190 million records
    5-Barbra Streisand160 million records
    See? Mariah is ahead all of them by a respectable difference !

  234. MOFF says:

    Ok. Understood. Let Butterfly lie. We should respect seriously disabled people. Amen.

  235. The Reason says:

    @ BUTTERFLY

    The only reason I reply is because you once again

    insulted me (indirectly) and dared to say I inflated

    biased info.

    I LOVE how everytime you get called out on sth and

    become totally exposed you try to turn the whole

    situation against me. You accused me of inflating

    Mediatraffic facts, as a reply to what I said

    about you inflating Wikipedia facts.

    —>

    Now let me prove you both sides.

    —>

    First of all, I never brought up Mediatraffic info about

    album sales estimations. (Saying an album sold 20m or

    30m etc). The ONLY time I mentioned it was to

    show how Celine gets 4 of her albums in the top 100

    best sellers, while MC has 2 of her albums there.

    Still I DIDN’T REFER TO EXACT SALES BASED ON MEDIATRAFFIC

    Besides, I refered to multiple sources that you just

    called biased. Therefore the accusation of me inflating

    Mediarraffic facts fails.

    Second, see how you copy pasted Wikipedia facts all

    along :

    1) You always said that Mariah’s sales are uknown in
    Asia, but you knew some of her facts there, such as the sales of Music Box in Hong Kong and Korea or that Glitter became huge in Japan and so on…All in all you only knew the Wikipedia facts for MC Asian sales which are limited ! Most of her certifications in Asian markets ARE NOT posted in Wikipedia and this is why you couldn’t cite the certifications and ”admited you didn’t know about her Asian sales”, but in reality IF you had checked any of her official sites you would
    have seen that all the important Asian markets are
    calculated. EXPOSED

    2) On top of these, I remember you said Mariah outsold
    Celine in Netherlands. You said that because you had read in Wikipedia that ”Music Box” achieved a 6xP certification there, which was the highest certification for an album by a female till then. You hadn’t seen Celine’s certifications and that ”Let’s Talk About Love” managed to be 6xP as well there and none of her other certifications. EXPOSED

    3) You collected many facts from Wikipedia, such as Mariah’s singles peak positions, you brought 3 weeks ago.
    (Mentioning the exact markets that are on Wikipedia)
    You think I am stupid and that I would’t figure that out.
    EXPOSED

    4) Apart from sales, I also clearly remembered how you used Wikipedia as an argument against Celine’s legacy since there was not a specific article about it, meaning that you used to visit Wikipedia and check both articles on Mariah and Celine. EXPOSED

    5) In addition, a few of your old posts were copy paste
    from Wikipedia cause you didn’t erase the ”[24][25]”
    signs which are Wikipedia sources. LMAO ! REALLY EXPOSED

    6) And of course we have all these Canadian and Brazilian Wikipedia lists you mentioned. EXPOSED

    7) And on top of that your very last argument about
    Wikipedia lists of best sellers. EXPOSED

    —>

    YOU ARE A JOKE THAT COPY PASTES WIKIPEDIA AND KNOWS

    NOTHING ON SALES ! TAKE IT ! MY OPINION IS VALID AND

    PROVED !
    ——————————————————

    Finally, it’s not just Mediatraffic. It’s also Billboard,

    recent awards, media, labels, official sites and

    biographies that confirm what I am saying. You have

    0 sources and 0 references for this non sense so I don’t

    know why you bother. Instead of telling us what to trust

    and what not to trust, LEARN that RIAA counts singles in

    Us, not worldwide. And according to RIAA MC has sold 31m

    in Us. (Then confirmed by Billboard and then by Nielsen

    Soundscan).

    PS : I Don’t care what you think of Celine. Me saying

    Celine sold over 230m records and you saying 200m is not

    big deal. But saying MC sold over 300m records, while

    everything proves sales of 200-220m records –

    A HUGE DIFFERENCE – is what makes this debate going on.

    You have 0 reference and 0 sources.

    Sorry, your mental sickness is not enough to brainwash

    me. Thanks for playing ;-)

  236. shutup says:

    USA: 290.000 G
    Canada: 60.000 G
    Brazil: 90.000
    Mexico: 75.000 P
    Argentina: 20.000 G
    America: 595.000

    UK: 460.000 P
    France: 125.000 P
    Germany: 170.000 G
    Italy: 140.000 2XP
    Austria: 10.000 G
    Belgium: 30.000 P
    Denmark: 20.000 P
    Finland: 35.000 P
    Ireland: 15.000 P
    Netherlands: 25.000
    Poland: 20.000 P
    Portugal: 10.000 G
    Russia: 20.000 P
    Spain: 30.000 G
    Sweden: 45.000 P
    Switzerland: 20.000 G
    Europe: 1.275.000 P

    Australia: 50.000 G
    New Zealand: 10.000 G
    Oceania: 60.000

    Japan: 220.000 G OR PLATINUM
    Hong Kong: 15.000
    Asia: 300.000

    Total: 2.200.000

    memoirs got only certified in 4 countries, lol

    USA: gold and sold 500 000
    europe: around 150 000.
    BRASIL: p and sold 80 000
    SOUTH KOREA: p

    sales estimation: 900 000 copies world wide.

    it did pretty bad in europe. uk flop, france mega mega flop. germnany disaster and so on. lets not forget japan. it flopped even there. celebration peaked at number 3 in Japan and memoirs 9.

  237. shutup says:

    nothing about music, lol. it’s not about music it’s about albums and single sales.

    MEDIATRAFFIC: MADONNA’S ACHIEMENTS

    mediatraffic.de/top-track-achievements.htm

    artists with most weeks at no.1 SOURCE: MEDIA TRAFFIC

    1 Madonna
    Sire / Maverick / Warner Bros. – 116 weeks

    2 Beatles
    Apple / Odeon / Capitol – 77 weeks

    3 Elvis Presley
    RCA – 70 weeks

    4 Michael Jackson
    Motown / Epic – 46 weeks

    5 Black Eyed Peas
    Interscope – 44 weeks

    6 George Michael
    Epic / Columbia – 40 weeks

    7 Bryan Adams
    A&M – 39 weeks

    8 Rihanna
    Def Jam – 38 weeks

    9 Bee Gees
    Atco / Polydor / RSO – 33 weeks

    10 Britney Spears
    Jive – 32 weeks

    artists with most tracks at no.1 SOURCE: MEDIA TRAFFIC

    1 Madonna
    Sire / Maverick / Warner Bros. – 19 hits
    2 Elvis Presley
    RCA – 12 hits

    3 Beatles
    Apple / Odeon / Capitol – 10 hits

    3 Michael Jackson
    Motown / Epic – 10 hits

    5 George Michael
    Epic / Columbia – 9 hits

    5 Britney Spears
    Jive – 9 hits

    7 Rihanna
    Def Jam – 8 hits

    8 Bee Gees
    Atco / Polydor / RSO – 7 hits

    9 Black Eyed Peas
    Interscope – 6 hits

    9 Jennifer Lopez
    Columbia / Def Jam / Island – 6 hits

    artists with most tracks in the top 10 SOURCE: MEDIA TRAFFIC

    1 Madonna
    Sire / Maverick / Warner Bros. – 39 hits’

    2 Mariah Carey
    RCA – 28 hits
    3 Michael Jackson

    Motown / Epic – 26 hits

    4 Britney Spears
    Jive – 23 hits

    4 Janet Jackson
    A&M / Virgin – 23 hits

    4 B’z
    Rooms Records Japan – 23 hits

    7 Elvis Presley
    RCA – 20 hits

    8 U2
    Island – 19 hits

    9 George Michael
    Epic / Columbia – 18 hits

    10 Bee Gees
    Atco / Polydor / RSO – 17 hits

    madonna sold 110 million singles worldwide and counting. Mariah 60 million. yeah I know your going to say that my lists are biased and fake and they cannot be trusted. but who believes you butfly?

  238. BUTTERFLY says:

    Mariah Carey sold much more albums and singles worldwide than Madonna and Celine Dion.
    Mimi is the best selling female artist of all times ! Go Mariah,you’re the best !!!!!

  239. The Reason says:

    LMAO ! Dear, you have a personal problem with all of us.

    You have taken this debate way too seriously.

    Just chill and enjoy music. <3

  240. MOFF says:

    Butterfly:

    You should go to hospital.
    Administrator: delete her.

  241. The Reason says:

    @ Moff

    LOL ! She is just angry that I totally exposed her

    silly Wikipedia games she played for over a year.

    Just read post 235 xD

    Hillarious :P

  242. tane says:

    hey leave butterfly alone!
    And I thought trish was mean to yous?
    wow yous are just as worse at mocking her:/
    does it feel any better insulting, mocking people? it only makes things worse:/
    wow I sound so wise…hmmm I wonder if ill suit being a counseller? I could consull you all:) sounds decent?

    hmmm I used to think of Madonna as a whore but not anymore so please don’t insult me haha:)

    anyway Madonna to me used to look like shrivelling goose, who agress?

    the only reason I insult her and dislike Madonna is because she does not rerpect other artists! e.g what she said about Mariah Carey ‘id rather die than be Mariah’

  243. tane says:

    in some sites I’ve seen it says that Celine Dion sold 140 million albums and Madonna sold 150 million albums and Mariah sold 135 million albums, that goes to show how biased sites can be

  244. tane says:

    its like a kid(butterfly) getting beat b the bullies at school(luky luke, moff, shut up etc)

  245. tane says:

    wonder when this debate will end?

  246. The Reason says:

    @ tane

    LOL ! You really made me laugh xD

    I loved your posts. I could never hit a girl though :)

    Not even TRISH.

    I promise you, I will try to be civil from now on.

    You should be a counselor ! I’m gonna be a lwayer ;-)

  247. MOFF says:

    I really don’t know tane :)
    I respect every person in here but if someone insults others, like Trish (Butterfly) did, actually you should be calm but you can’t control yourself and you start fighting back ..

    I can’t understand Trish. We gave proofs, we gave certifications that clearly show Madonna is ahead, but she keep insisting.

  248. tane says:

    hahaha don’t worry moff I was just trying to be funny:)
    but hey Madonna’s a legend!
    the 3 legend of female pop music

    madonna
    mariah
    celine

  249. tane says:

    @the reason haha yes I think we need a lwyer right now

  250. Butterfly says:

    Mariah Carey is the best selling female artist of all times.
    Madonna is the greatest whore of musical industry
    Celine Dion is the greatest female clown of music history industry
    Shut Up : Are you a guy or a girl /? Maybe both at the same time.Anyway,behave like a normal person.Madonna is the worst model you could choose to emulate,believe me.

    Lucky Luke,You’re much more sick mentally than me ! You behave like a female while you’re a male.This blog is about female artists. Get in male blogs facing male superstars,stupid she-male !

    Moff,Have you been recovered from your anal sickness ? When will you get out to the hospital ? You were so sick !

  251. The Reason says:

    Just like I said it before… You have a personal

    problem with all of us and you have taken this debate

    way too seriously. Chill out and enjoy music.

    Mocking artists and their fan base while hiding behind

    your PC doesn’t make you a better human being than us.

    Mainly when this activity takes place for over a year

    now.

  252. BUTTERFLY says:

    This is rather all of you that have a personal problem with me,not the opposite.All of you notice that I insulted people and posted lie,but any of you didn’t notice Lucky Luke’s lies and insults !
    I don’t care about who hate me or not.This is not you that could change my mind about female artists ! There are Mariah haters that always want to impose Madonna and Celine everywhere Mariah’s name is cited.even if the discussion doesn’t concern Madonna and Celine.You reduce every musical achievements and accomplishments with the sales question just to impose your favorite artists that have just sales as impressive accomplishments.I repeat that Mariah is greater than every other female artists ,not just because she surpass their on record sales,but before all because she as much more accomplishments and talents.You reduce Mariah’s potential with her voice that you say is better than…Madonna’s.So funny.Who doesn’t have a better voice than Madonna?
    Moff base he’s lies for Celine’s albums sales on the Chopard Diamond Award,but consider it irrelevant in the case of Madonna that have only Guinness ( a non musical institution) as supporter.
    About Celine’s singles,Moff can’t answer my endless questions because Lucky Luke doesn’t yet express him about it.Moff will have arguments and links to post about Celine and Madonna’s singles certifications just after than Lucky Luke will do it.Moff did the same about the albums question that he base on Lucky Luke’s theories and crap links.There is only me that as mart enough to notice all these tricks.Moff never bring something by he’s own and he ALWAYS AGREE WITH EVERYTHING AND ANYTHING LUCKY LUKE BROUGHT HERE ! You just allie yourself against me to blow my arguments and take me down.Try again.
    They got the nerve to say Celine equals Mariah on singles sales (Just 5 – 10 million difference) but are still unable to prove it by concret facts ! Only crap links, delusional lists,etc…
    Any of you can’t dare say Celine’s singles equals Mariah’s in the 1990’s or were close to Mariah’s by just 5 or 10 million
    Any of you can’t say that Celine’s singles sales were close to Mariah in the 2000 decade when evryone knows Celine has zero million seller single for the entire 2000 decade.
    How could you say 5 – 10 million of difference? That’s like this you proved your “objectivity” or by saying ” Mariah has a better voice than Madonna” This like this you prove how much you are objective.You even said that Gaga equals Mariah on worldwide singles sales ! WHile you claim Madonna sold 50 million singles over Mariah although Mariah has much more multimillion seller singles than Madonna and has almost a career as old as Madonna’s.Lady gaga started her career in 2008.This is in that way you show your objectivity? and say that I have a problem with all of you?

    Mariah carey is the best selling female artist of all times !

  253. Butterfly says:

    Mariah carey is the best selling female artist of all times .
    Keep your advices for yourself, stupid she-male !You have take Moff too seriously as well .
    Call me however you want,I don’t care what you say or think of me.
    AIDSdonna is the greatest bitch of the musical industry
    Ugline Oldion is the greatest clown of the musical industry.
    That’s a fact ,and we can’t change it.
    You ,Shutup and Moff are the most pathetic she-males taht ever live !

  254. The Reason says:

    I only insulted you after you insulted me. Moreover my

    insults stopped at your and 2-3 other stans. You have

    been insulting way more people and you mock artists

    using the worst adjectives. So don’t compare me to you.

    Second I already said Mariah is

    – More influencial vocally and musically than Celine.

    – Has more musicianship and creativity than Celine.

    – The smartest hit maker I know.

    So you LIE when you say I took down her musical

    achievements.

    Third I didn’t isnult Mariah.

    Fourth I have already shown links and sources to my

    claims and if you don’t trust them I am ok with this. I

    have already made that clear. I am not trying to

    brainwash you. The fact that you react

    like a wall to all sources and certifications that claim

    the opposite of what you think doesn’t mean the sources

    are fake but anyway…I get over this.

    Fifth and most important… I am not contradicting with

    any Mariah sources for claiming she sold between 200-

    220m records. You are the one that contradicts so the

    burden of proof is all yours. In other words, the

    problem here is not whether Celine sold 200m

    records like you say or over 230m records like I claim.

    The problem here is you claiming MC sold 300m records

    while everything shows she sold sth more than 200m

    worldwide. And your partiality becomes even worse when

    you have already post her album sales per country are

    around the 160m sales +.

    Even when I asked you to prove Mariah’s ”All I Want

    For Christmas Is You” sales you were just repeating

    it sold over 10m. You did NOTHING to prove it. No

    certifications, just your mind that got stuck to that

    theory. So your are not in position to talk about total

    sales since you can’t support the sales of ONE single.

    I remember you said it sold over 20m copies, suddenly

    changed to 12m and 10m.

    You are not in position to talk about sales when you

    trust no sources and just post your own estimations.

    If no sources can prove who sold more, who do you think

    you are ? Who are you ? You are a big nothing ! What

    makes you think you have knowledge other sources don’t ?

    What are you ? You have been doing NOTHING else, but

    copy pasting Wikipedia facts.

    And don’t blame me for not being objective cause I am

    still laughing at you for faking objectiveness by saying

    E=MC2 sold less that Like A Prayer. LOL Great effort,

    like we didn’t know !

    Your worst problem is that you don’t know where to post.

    You should have stopped long ago when you said you

    couldn’t prove Mariah’s sales in Asia, yet kept

    repeating she sold over 40m or 50m or 60m etc.

    Can you imagine me doing so for Celine’s sales ? Omg !

    You would bitchslap me for something like that.

    You should have stopped after your ignorance on dvd

    sales was proved.

    You should have stopped after your ignorance on UK record

    sales was proved.

    But you are still here. Still repeating things. Still

    insulting. I can’t do anything else. I have nothing else

    to say to 1)make you stop or 2) calm you down or) to

    prove my statements. I tried. I paid my dues everyway

    that I could. I can’t talk to a wall anymore. Sorry.

    You are in denial but I can’t prove your denial cause

    once a person suffers from denial can’t face his own

    problem because that’s what denial is all about.

    Denying everything that proves you wrong. That’s what

    you do with all MC sources that prove her real sales.

    – Deny her label announcements

    – Deny her biography

    – Deny the claims of her managers

    – Deny what media say

    – Deny the level of her awarded sales

    – Deny the flop projects

    – Deny what even Mariah herself states on interviews.

    Anyway, I don’t blame you that much cause deep inside

    I know you say all these just to piss us all of. You

    have a personal problem and this is where it all starts.

    If we were friends we could discuss on a better base.

  255. MOFF says:

    BUTTERFLY, TRISH:

    When will you stop posting?
    I wonder when? When you are dead? When you are handicapped?

    Trish, I NEVER INSULTED MARIAH.
    BUT YOU INSULTED CELINE AND MADONNA.
    This is a big problem!

    I, like Shutup and Lucky Luke, WE NEVER INSULTED ONE OF THEM!

    But who did? YOU TRISH!
    Its you!

    1. my information is based by sources, Trish it is called “sources”, not your sick mind.
    Sources can be magazines, homapages, fanpages, music institutions which certify something and so on.

    2. I repeat Lucky Luks informations because they are exact and not biased like your increased sales of Mariah!

    3. If you don’t believe any sources or links, then please leave this debate, because you are perhaps not even sure that Cleopatra is dead or alive. Maybe you think she has never existed or is still alive .. You don’t believe sources you said? So maybe Galileo Galilei does still live here?

    4. Trish – no one believes you, since you proved that you have no idea of music and sales. The UK list, like luky luke said, was for album sales, not total records.

    I have one wish:

    Administrator, please delete Butterfly!

  256. The Reason says:

    Keep insulting Celine and Madonna. They are more

    successful, more rich and more LOVED than you will ever

    be ! YOU spend time on them dissing them. Over a year

    to be exact. Can you imagine Madonna or Celine doing the

    same for you ? LOL Why would they care for your sad

    existence ? You are not significant enough to be

    discssed or dissed by these women. You are out of

    your mind, honestly. Many people around the world suffer

    from AIDS so you should be ashamed for bringing it up.

    You should also be ashamed for your sexism.

    And no matter how ugly you consider Celine she has made

    her life choices, she is successful and a beloved mother

    and woman.

    YOU can keep trolling artists behind your PC. Over a year

    here right ? Gongratulations ! I wish you are still here

    till the day you die.

  257. Butterfly says:

    Madonna is the greatest whore of the musical industry.
    Celine Dion is the ugliest clown of the musical industry.

  258. The Reason says:

    POST 256 is your reply.

  259. js says:

    Mariah Carey still!

  260. js says:

    one of these day she will surpass Madonna

  261. js says:

    she did already surpassing Madonna in terms if vocal
    one of these days she will surpass the little sales that make Madonna on top

  262. shutup says:

    don’t mess with butterfly, she is 12 year old bad ass lol. seriously how old are you butterfly? everybody can see that you and trish are the same person. aidsdonna? is that the best you can do. I could insult Mariah but I won’t.

  263. MOFF says:

    I could insult Mariah, too. But I respect her.

    @ “js”: I don’t think that she will surpass Madonna. Her sales in the last years (actually 00s decade) are much lower than Madonna’s. Madonna sells better, sorry but it’s a fact.
    The litte distance?

    Madonna has sold 80 million records more than Mariah!
    Even if Madonna stopped with music, her catalog sales are huge. Mariah could not compete with Madonna.

  264. The Reason says:

    And then they say that girls mature faster than boys…

  265. BUTTERFLY says:

    Moff just meant that Mariah has sold 80 million records more than Madonna!
    Even if Madonna topped with music,she could not compete with Mariah since Mimi already surpass Madonna by 80 million records as said Moff ! So how Madonna could ever catch up with The Voice?

  266. The Reason says:

    Trish just wanted to say that Mariah sold 80m less than

    Madonna. How could Mariah ever reach Madonna, when she

    can’t arise interest to 2.500 people to attend her

    lipped concerts and she always cancels them ? Hehe !

    :-)

  267. MOFF says:

    TRISH, leave this debate. Go to Madonnas or Celines house and insult them if you want, I wanna see their reaction :)

  268. The Reason says:

    #LOL

  269. js says:

    whatever moff

  270. The Reason says:

    This debate is so boring. That trash can’t think or

    bring certifications to prove herself and save her life.

    How boring and pathetic. My 2 years old cousin could do

    better than that. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

  271. tane says:

    omg Madonna has always been the biggest seller even though I don’t like her she is still the biggest selling female artist followed by the big 2 Mariah and celine

  272. BUTTERFLY says:

    Moff, you are right because soon, I will go to Madonna and Celine’s respective house just to slap them and spit on their wrinkled face !
    Mariah carey is the best selling female artist of all times !

  273. BUTTERFLY says:

    This debate is so interesting. That Lucky Slut can’t think or

    bring true datas and facts to prove himself and save his husband Moff and his own life.

    How Delusional and foolish. My 8 months cat old could do

    better than that xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

  274. The Reason says:

    You are the one that never brought anything real here.

    First Fail. DELUSIONAL

    You still copy paste my sarcastic comments.

    Second Fail. NO ORIGINALITY

    You reply to comments posted 2 weeks ago.

    Third Fail. PATHETIC

    Still here, still pressed, still insulting artists.

    Fourth Fail.

    And yes, this debate is more interesting than your life.

    LOL

    Ultimate Fail. Go back to your trailer park. Thanx.

  275. TRISH says:

    Dear pig, you copy my sacarstic comments as well to defend your husband Moff,so don’t blame me for that. – FAIL
    I answer to comments when I want to.you have nothing to say about it.This is my bussiness. – FAIL
    You never prove anything you here.All that you brought are craps and lies – FAIL
    This debate is the most interesting thing for you,cause you have no life outside these blogs.So sad ! – FAIL

    I wanna meet you,just to slap you,then spit on your creep face !
    Bye Pig !

  276. The Reason says:

    I never copy paste your dumb comments. I wouldn’t like

    to forget the English I know, would I ?

    You can answer to comments anytime you like and I am free

    to mock your stupidity anytime I want. Clear ?

    I proved everything and you are just a slut with little

    mind #Ooooops

    I have no life ? Lmao I have many friends, hobbies

    outside the internet and I am ready to finish Law

    School. And I am 21 years old by the way. #FAIL

    Oh, I would like to meet you too ! :)

    Do you mind sharing your you tube account ? or MSN ?

    or Facebook ? or twitter ? :) By the way, I am a

    good looking boy. No creep face at all.

    We can meet and see what happends. Oh by the way, move

    to the other debate. I embarrassed your fake ignorant

    ass… Again :/

    Poor you, you are unlucky. I never feel sorry beating

    down stupid people.

    *Laughing*

  277. TRISH says:

    Waouh ! you have many friends,hobbies ,etc… then finish law school.But sorry,all these are not enough to make you a real man.These things doesn’t impress me at all,believe me.I have nothing to envy from your life,believe me….zzzzzz
    Do you want to meet me to beat me up?
    You said” We can meet and see what happens” What would happen? Well,I would be very curious to see your reaction after slapping you.Maybe you would be coward enough to beat me up.But,do you think that I am afraid to meet you because I am a girl while you are a boy? Do you think that the probability that you could beat me up could prevent me to meet you? I know that you are not more than a stupid coward that have any respect for girls,then beat them up just to prove you are better than them.This is so pathetic !
    .But anyway,I would more than happy to have areal fight with you,even if you beat me.

  278. The Reason says:

    I didn’t post these to prove my sexuality. LOL You

    asked for it and I replied. My intention was not to

    impress you. I have a nice life and that’s a fact.

    That’s about it. Why would I ever try to impress a

    person I don’t know ?

    And no, I don’t beat girls either. -.- I LOVE

    how you spent time to create my psychological profile.

    LMAO

    So you are not afraid to meet me. Cool ! So let’s

    meet ! :)) Share your Facebook or MSN or twitter or you

    tube account or E-mail so we have a more personal

    contact and we reach into agreement about the place and

    time you meet me. I bet you have the guts to go ahead

    and do so since you want to beat me. <3

    By the way all your recent posts prove what I said

    before : you don’t have a problem with Celine and you

    don’t believe Mariah sold 300m records. You have a

    personal problem with me and do anything you can to

    piss me off. And this is my psychological analysis on

    you. ;-)

  279. shutup says:

    oh trish take a poll and stick it to your ass.

  280. TRISH says:

    @ Shutup : Shut up, bitch ! I’m not like you ,so I won’t do what you tell me to do.Although you always do it with Lucky Like and Moff’s respective thing instead of the poll… so Move bitch ! Move

  281. The Reason says:

    @ TRISH

    Lmao ! Your lunacy and sickness are beyond words.

    By the way do you want my MSN ? I have a cam so we can

    debate online and see my face as well. Don’t you die

    seeing how I look like ? You can spit your PC screen

    just to get it out of your system ! Tell me and I

    share it.

  282. CHABINE says:

    Madonna is an Illuminati artist,she can’t be compared with an artist like Mariah Carey that is free of this devilish system.Madonna success is due to the Illuminati,Mariah Carey’s is due to her talent and her God-given voice .Mariah Carey is one of the rare superstars that are free of this satanic influence ( so does Whitney Houston ).
    In real facts,Mariah Carey is the true best selling female artist ,not Madonna.

  283. MOFF says:

    Proved by her album and single sales, Madonna is the best selling female artist.

    Mariah is talented in singing, writing and producing songs.
    Madonna in being a business woman with many other skills.

  284. CHABINE says:

    Moff,this is thanks to the Illuminati system that Madonna is cited as the best selling female artist.She doesn’t in the reality.
    Yes,as an a true accomplished artist,Mariah is talented in singing,writing and producing songs.But like Madonna, Mariah also have many other skills over the musical ones.But Madonna doesn’t have particular musical talent.
    Moff,don’t forget even if Madonna is a business woman,that can’t make her the best selling recording female artist.But the best skillful and talented artist can be the best selling female artist.As an Illuminati superstar,Madonna is very successful and popular,but not really talented.

  285. MOFF says:

    Madonna proved, without a good voice, that you can be successful in music business.
    She has a voice and she can hit tunes. Her live performances are not that good, I know that.
    But she is obviously the best selling female artist.

    200m albums + 100m singles sold.

    What do you mean with “Illuminati” ??

  286. CHABINE says:

    The kiss Madonna shared with Christina Aguilera and Britney Spears at the 2004 Grammys wasn’t really a lesbian kiss, it was an Illuminati symbol in facts. Britney and Christina are also in the Illuminati system

  287. CHABINE says:

    Mariah Carey sold more records than Madonna ,but the industry gives the credit to Madonna cause Mariah Carey had rebelled against the satanic condition that rule on the show business and the policy.
    Mariah Carey is the best selling female artist

  288. Sonny says:

    The Illuminati are generally powerful and rich people,but not a lot of celebrities are members of the Illuminati. Just because the Illuminati controls the music and film industries, does not mean that all celebrities are members. Celebrities do not sell their souls to become famous, the Illuminati believe in God, they just fear God. The Illuminati will kill anyone, anywhere at anytime to get what they need. The people that are “Anti-New World Order” and speak out against the Illuminati will be murdered like 2Pac, and most recently, Michael Jackson. 2Pac and Michael Jackson were going to warn the entire world about what the Illuminati are planning. If you look at the title of 2Pac’s album “The Don Killuminati” for example; 2Pac was referring to the Illuminati in this title, Kill + Illuminati. The Illuminati have killed 2Pac, Michael Jackson, Marilyn Monroe, Jon Lennon, Jimi Hendrix, John F. Kennedy, Abe Lincoln, Princess Diana, Martin Luther King, the list goes on.

  289. Sonny says:

    Personalities of the musical industry and from Hollywood which are supected as members of Illuminati secret order or that were clearly exposed as illuminati members :
    Rihanna
    Jay Z
    Beyonce
    Lady GAGA
    Megan Fox
    Britney Spears
    Hallie Berry
    Eva Longoria
    Jessica Alba
    Miley Cyrus
    Demi Lovato
    Selena Gomez
    Jonas Brothers
    Justin Bieber….
    Celine Dion
    Taylor Swift
    Jim Carrey
    Cher
    Pink
    Tommy Mottola
    Rene Angelil
    Gwen Stefani
    Christina Aguilera
    The list goes on..

  290. Sonny says:

    And of course Madonna…

  291. MOFF says:

    All I can say is: That is sick!

    The most records has sold … Madonna.

  292. CHABINE says:

    Sorry but your opinion is not important,,you just try to defend Madonna as you’re her fan.What matters is the validity of the claims.Mariah Carey outsells Madonna globally.Madonna benefit the support of the industry cause she’s a member of Illuminati secret order.

  293. CHABINE says:

    Mariah Carey was ahead of Madonna on records sales worldwide by 2000,she’s still ahead till today in real facts.Madonna had never surpassed her.
    According to ESCTODAY (Eurovision Song Contest Today) which is referring to IFPI, here are the 20 (of 150) best selling artists of all time :

    01.The Beatles 400,000,000 #02.Michael Jackson 350,000,000 #03.Elvis Presley 300,000,000 #04.Madonna 275,000,000 #05.Nana Mouskouri 250,000,000 #06.Cliff Richard 250,000,000 #07.The Rolling Stones 250,000,000 #08.Mariah Carey 230,000,000 #09.Elton John 220,000,000 #10.Celine Dion 220,000,000 #11.Pink Floyd 210,000,000 #12.Led Zeppelin 200,000,000 #13.Metallica 200,000,000 #14.Julio Iglesias 200,000,000 #15.Queen 180,000,000 #16AC/DC 180,000,000 #17Whitney Houston 180,000,000 #18.ABBA 160,000,000 #19.U2 150,000,000 #20.The Jacksons 150,000,000
    This “independent” Eurovision site is reliable but there is something that bothered me though.
    The World Music Awards is always referring to IFPI so why did WMA awarded Mariah Carey as the World’s Best-Selling Female Artist of the Millennium in 2000 as she’s only number 8 and Madonna number 4? I don’t think Madonna has sold 50 million records since 2000 and then outsold Mariah Carey within 5 or 6 years. Anyway, WMA is keeping secret on this list, except the Beatles news on their website (as best selling act of all time), why can’t they provide the second, the third, …? IFPI website is just providing certifications of the year. IMO it is too conflicting for both (WMA and IFPI) to publish officially a list of the best selling artists of all time (with figures) as Music Companies and Majors won’t probably accept it.Mariah is the best selling female artist .

    Madonna hasn’t sold that many in reality. She only sold 130 million singles and albums by 2000. she has NOT sold another 175 million plus since then.
    Hope this answers the question.

  294. MOFF says:

    Good debater :D

    hmm that makes me think about it.

    I think I can help you with that:

    All the certifications of each nation around the world shows that Madonna has sold nearly 200 million albums.

    E.g. True Blue 23 million, Like A Virgin 21 million and so on.
    So if we do that will all albums, we will get a number of almost 200 million albums worldwide.
    That is true and cannot be wrong, cause the certifications show it clearly.
    About Single sales, we do the same. same method:
    Certifications added together are the number of singles Madonna has sold around the globe, and that’s a number of 115 million singles.

    That cannot be false.

    WMA gave Mariah the Award for 150 million album sales.
    WMA gave Celine Dion the Award for 175 million album sales.

    Madonna has sold 40 million albums since 2000. And Mariah over 25 – 30 million, showed by their album sales.

    E=MC2: 2.5 million
    The Emancipation of Mimi: 12 million.
    And so on ..

    So overall, Mariah has sold 165 – 170 million albums.

    I don’t know why WMA has a secret. There are many others who have sold more than 100 million albums.
    Its a random probably.
    But in fact, Madonna is the best selling female artist of all time, followed by Celine and then Mariah.

    Look:
    Madonna:

    1. The Immaculate Collection 29 million
    2. True Blue 23,5 million
    3. Like a Virgin 21 million
    4. Ray Of Light 16 million
    5. Like a Prayer 13 million
    6. Music 11 million
    7. Confessions on a dance floor 11 million
    8. Madonna 9,5 million
    9. Something to remember 8,5 million
    10. Bedtime Stories 8 million
    11. I’m Breathless 7 million
    12. Evita 6,5 million
    13. Erotica 6 million
    14. GHV2 6 million
    15. You can dance 5 million
    16. Who’s that girl 5 million
    17. American Life 4 million
    18. Hard Candy 3,8 million
    19. Celebration 2,1 million
    20. The Confessions Tour 1 million
    21. Remixed and Revisited 1 million
    22. I’m going to tell you a .. 0,8 million
    23. Sticky and Sweet Tour 0,7 million
    24. + DVD sales: 5 million

    TOTAL: 203, 4 million albums ONLY + single sales 110 million = 313, 4million records

    Mariah Carey

    1. Music Box 29 million
    2. Daydream 25 million
    3. Number Ones 17 million
    4. Mariah Carey 16 million
    5. Merry Christmas 14 million
    6. Butterfly 14 million
    7. The Emancipation of Mimi 11 million
    8. Rainbow 10 million
    9. Emotions 9 million
    10. MTV Live 6 million
    11. Glitter 3 million
    12. Charmbracelet 3 million
    13. Greatest Hits 3 million
    14. E=MC2 2,9 million
    15. Memoirs of an.. 1 million
    16. Remixes 1 million
    17. The Ballads 0,5 million
    18. Merry Christmas2u 0,5 million

    TOTAL: 165, 9 million albums ONLY + single sales of 60 million = 224, 9 million records

    Madonna is ahead. Although Mariah is a much better and greater singer, for me the best singer on earth, Mariah has sold less. This doesn’t make her a less talented artist.

  295. TRISH says:

    Madonna:

    1. The Immaculate Collection 26 million
    2. True Blue 21,5 million
    3. Like a Virgin 20 million
    4. Ray Of Light 15 million
    5. Like a Prayer 13 million
    6. Music 10 million
    7.Confessions On a Dancefloor 10 million
    8. Madonna 8,5 million
    9. Something to remember 6,5 million
    10. Bedtime Stories 6 million
    11. I’m Breathless 6 million
    12. Evita 4,5 million
    13. Erotica 4 million
    14. GHV2 4 million
    15. You can dance 3,5 million
    16. Who’s that girl 4 million
    17. American Life 3 million
    18. Hard Candy 3 million
    19. Celebration 2 million
    20. The Confessions Tour 1 million
    21. Remixed and Revisited 1 million
    22. I’m going to tell you a .. 0,8 million
    23. Sticky and Sweet Tour 0,7 million
    24. + DVD sales: 5 million

    TOTAL: 177 million albums ONLY + single sales 70 million = 247 million records

    Mariah Carey

    1. Music Box 32 million
    2. Daydream 25 million
    3. Number Ones 18 million
    4. Mariah Carey 18 million
    5. Merry Christmas 16,5 million
    6. Butterfly 16 million
    7. The Emancipation of Mimi 12 million
    8. Rainbow 12 million
    9. Emotions 11 million
    10. MTV Live 8 million
    11. Glitter 4 million
    12. Charmbracelet 5 million
    13. Greatest Hits 5 million
    14. E=MC2 2,9 million
    15. Memoirs of an.. 1,4 million
    16. Remixes 1 million
    17. The Ballads 0,8 million
    18. Merry Christmas2u 0,7 million

    TOTAL: 191 million albums ONLY + single sales of 75 million = 266 million records
    Don’t want to be mean but Maria Carey sold more than Madonna.

  296. MOFF says:

    Trish ….
    You decreased Madonna’s sales and increased Mariah’s.

    You admit that Mariah has sold 175 million albums, why don’t you post it in here?!

  297. MOFF says:

    1. True Blue has sold almost 23 million, not 21,5 million.

    Look: USA : 7 600 000
    Canada : 1 650 000
    Brasil : 300 000
    Argentina : 300 000

    Japan : 1 000 000
    Singapore : 75 000

    Australia : 340 000
    New Zealand : 75 000

    Europe : 8 760 000
    – UK : 2 300 000
    – Germany : 1 250 000
    – France : 1 250 000
    – Italy : 1 300 000
    – Spain : 350 000
    – Sweden : 125 000
    – Switzerland : 200 000
    – Austria : 115 000
    – Finland : 55 000

    Total : 22 500 000

    Every Madonna album you showed us, has sold more !

  298. tane says:

    I don’t like Madonna at all, but I respect her record sales like many others, Madonna has sold 200 million albums and 100 million singles, not 110 like moff says in post 294.
    Madonna – 300 million records.

    Mariah Carey I just love her! but she has sold less than Madonna according to a lot of sources, she’s sold around 230 million records.

    Mariah Carey – 230 million records
    165 million albums, 60 million singles.

  299. TRISH says:

    Moff ….
    You decreased Mariah’s sales and increased Madonna’s.
    The Immaculate Collection never equals Music Box,but you always try to deny it.

    You said that I admit that Mariah has sold 175 million albums,So why do you post 165 million here ???

    Tane, are you crazy ? you are totally wrong.Mariah doesn’t sold just 165 million albums.Don’t just repeat what said Moff,be realistic and chack Mariah’s true data. Do you really think Music Box sold just 29 million? It would be very weird from a Mariah fan to swallow that ! WAKE UP Tane.I am not delusional anymore,but that doesn’t make Mariah’s albums like Glitter, Charmbracelet, Greatest Hits sold just 3 million each according to Moff.Merry Christmas II You 0,5 million when just its US sales reach this number ? Do you think so because this is Moff that claimed it ? Wake up my dear. You should lear to defend Mariah’s sales when someone decrease it,not just applause to anything that claim Madonna surpass Mariah in sales. Mariah Carey album 16 million? Number 1’s 17 million? Butterfly and Merry Christmas 14 million? Then you are the one that said I increased Mariah’s sales and decrease Madonna’s ? In which planet do you leave Moff ?
    Do you want to joke ?
    Madonna’s albums are very far to reach 200 million.Madonna has any album that can rival on sales with Mariah’s Music Box and Daydream.
    Mariah has sold more records than Madonna,Sorry

  300. TRISH says:

    In what you based you to say Mariah sold 150 million albums by 2003 ? In the Diamond Chopard Award ? So,according to this Award,Madonna doesn’t even close to Mariah and Celine on sales since Madonna never won The Chopard Award.Be clear with what you bring as argument cause they also can contradict you.Moff, since you really believe what WMA said about Mariah and Celine’s sales,tell me what it said about Madonna’s sales. Moff tell me how many World Music Award Madonna won in her whole career.Answer to me Moff if you dare ! Madonna’s sales never was record on sales worldwide as Mariah,Whitney and celine’s.That’s why she never won any World Music Award. So,how Madonna could ever has an album that equals with Mariah’s Music Box ? How Mariah could be the best selling artist OVERALL at 1990 decade if Madonna’s 1990 albums equals or surpass Mariah’s ??? Even Whitney and Celine are best seller artist at 1990 than Madonna ??? Do you ever think about these questions ? Mariah was a best seller artist over Madonna by far at the 1990’s .So her albums as Music Box, merry Christmas,Butterfly, Number 1 ‘s Music Box,etc… outsold any Madonna’s 1980- 1990’s albums.Don’t be delusional Moff.Bring more than just repeat ” Mariah won the Chopard Award for 150 million albums sold,and blablabla,…” This is not an argument my dear. Bring arguments and facts, if you want to prove your Madonna worth something beside Mariah on sales…LMAO !

  301. TRISH says:

    Mariah Carey has sold more records worldwide than Madonna

  302. TRISH says:

    And please,In the other debate I said Mariah sold AT LEAST 175 million albums.I never said her sales stand at this number

  303. MOFF says:

    TRISH !

    It doesn’t matter how many WMA Madonna has won, I know Mariah Carey has more. Madonna’s prime time was in the 80s, where the WMA didn’t exist!

    TRISH, you said to Tane: Check out real facts about Mariah sales”.
    So? Which facts? Please tell it to me if you dare!

    Music Box:

    Canada.7x(700.000)#5
    USA.10xdiamond in 1997.(10.000.000)#1(8weeks)
    Soundscan.7.160.000 BMG clubs 750.000

    Latin America.
    1.500.000 speculations. big hit in Brazil
    the only big market there.
    Argentina and Mexico follow

    Europe 7x(7.880.000)#1(11weeks)
    Asia 5.400.000
    ocean 1.000.000
    Australia.11x 770.000#1(18weeks)
    New Zealand 5x 75.000

    Africa 600.000
    South Africa 2x 100.000.

    = 28 the maximum!
    Music Box sold 29m the maximum.

    The Immaculate Collection:

    USA: 12.000.000
    Canada: 1.500.000
    Brazil: 1.000.000
    Mexico: 850.000
    Argentine: 180.000
    America: 15.000.000

    UK: 4.200.000
    France: 1.025.000
    Germany: 750.000
    Italy: 550.000
    Spain: 320.000
    Netherlands: 270.000
    Switzerland: 125.000
    Austria: 60.000
    Sweden: 150.000
    Finland: 95.000
    Poland: 275.000
    Belgium: 150.000
    Portugal: 40.000
    Finland: 100.000
    Europe: 9.020.000

    Australia: 850.000
    New Zealand: 115.000
    Oceania: 1.000.000

    Japan: 1.050.000
    Singapore: 180.000
    Asia: 3.000.000

    South Africa: 50.000
    Rest: 500.000
    Total: 28.600.000

    Maximum 29 million, same as Music box, Trish!

    Never 32 million, although it is claimed so in Wiki!

    Trish, you said you agree with 175 million at least!
    But I say: you are wrong, Mariah Carey has sold unfortunately less !!!

    You said: Merry Christmas and Butterfly outsold Ray of Light. Are you sure?

    Ray of Light:
    USA: 4.600.000
    Canada: 700.000
    Brazil: 260.000
    Mexico: 250.000
    Argentina: 90.000
    America: 6.100.000

    UK: 1.900.000
    France: 975.000
    Germany: 1.550.000
    Italy: 650.000
    Spain: 340.000
    Sweden: 250.000
    Netherlands: 310.000
    Austria: 120.000
    Switzerland: 155.000
    Finland: 51.000
    Poland: 230.000
    Belgium: 50.000
    Norway: 80.000
    Russia: 200.000
    Europe: 7.680.000

    Australia: 250.000
    New Zealand: 83.000
    Oceania: 350.000

    Japan: 400.000
    Singapore: 60.000
    Asia: 800.000

    South Africa: 25.000
    Rest: 350.000
    Total: 15.300.000

    Can you do that with Butterfly? Or Merry Christmas?
    Do you dare, Trish?

    Madonna is the best selling female artist of all time, like Tane said.

  304. MOFF says:

    “How Mariah could be the best selling artist OVERALL at 1990 decade if Madonna’s 1990 albums equals or surpass Mariah’s?”

    Answer: Mariah was the best seller during the 90s. And Eminem of the 00s. And Eminem isn’t the best selling male artist.

    Trish???

    No matter Mariah has been the best selling artist in the 90s, Madonna has sold more in total!
    Madonna has sold most records as a female in the 80s, and second most as a female in the 00s!

    And .. Mariah is still the best seller in the 90s! That doesn’t change anything, Trish.
    I challenge you finally to bring facts, because you have NEVER brought any facts, my dear!

    It’s a good sign that WMA, Mediatraffic, WWA, IFPI, RIAA and Guinness agree with me. Because it speak the truth.

  305. tane says:

    Music Box sold over 32 million, not 29 million as moff points out, and trish I am being realistic about her sales.

    moff its true music box has sold 32 million copies as said so by a lot of sources, right now your the only one saying its sold 29 million copies:/ and how can you prove the exact numbers you are giving us?

  306. tane says:

    you know, Music Box, Daydream and Merry Christmas sold over 2.5 million albums in Japan each.

    and 1#s sold over 3.2 million in Japan alone.

    Japan – 18 million
    Europe – 28 million
    US – 64 million
    Asia – 50 million

  307. TRISH says:

    Moff,you proved nothing by the silly sales list you gave.These datas are not true.
    Music Box sold over 32 million copies worldwide dear hater.Your delusional fake list can’t change this.
    Moff,this is easy to give detailed datas sales by countries with increasing or decreasing sales
    like you do.Are you a child ? Do you think than just giving a list that put Madonna and Mariah’s sales are what you usually claim can eludes readers ? Don’t waste your time my dear.You proved nothing like this.

  308. TRISH says:

    Moff,can you tell me how many The Immaculate Collection,Ray Of Light,True Blue and Like A Virgin sold in Japan ? The rest of Asia ?
    How dare you put 21 million for Like A Virgin while you put 17 million for Number 1’s ? I made a mistake about Like A Virgin.This album doesn’t even reach 17 million worldwide.
    Mariah Carey is the best selling female artist like I said !

  309. TRISH says:

    MOFF!

    It’s matter how many WMA Madonna has won,because WMA are giving only to albums that reach huge sales worldwide.Madonna didn’t won any WMA even at the 1990 decade because any of her albums ( Immaculate Collection, Ray Of Light,etc… ) doesn’t reach impressive sales as Mariah’s Merry Christmas,Butterfly or Celine’s Falling Into You,Whitney’s The Bodyguard,etc…
    Yes,Mariah Carey has more World Music Awards than Madonna because of her sales that was always more impressive than Madonna’s.

    MOFF, you can’t talk about facts yourself since your arguments contradict you.Which fact did you bring about Madonna’s singles ? Billboard citation or RIAA real counts ? How many facts did you even brought for Madonna except the delusional citation of Guinness Book Of Records ? A non-musical institution that already claimed Madonna has sold 280 million albums since 2003 ?
    IFPI foolish estimations like Nana’s 200 million albums ?
    Which facts had you ever bring in this debate Moff ? Answer to me if you dare !
    Mariah Carey is the best selling female artist of all times !

  310. TRISH says:

    “How Mariah could be the best selling artist OVERALL at 1990 decade if Madonna’s 1990 albums equals or surpass Mariah’s?”

    Answer: Mariah was the best seller during the 90s because her 1990’s albums were best seller albums over other artists.Eminem sales are nothing to do with Mariah Carey’s who totaled over 150 million of albums sold worldwide in just 10 years.There is a big difference between them.
    About Madonna,she didn’t totaled 150 million of albums the both decade combined 1980s and 1990s.

    Madonna doesn’t second best selling female artist in the 00’s Mariah Carey is ! ( Now you contradict yourself since you already said Celine Dion is in the other debate just to deny me when I debated with Celine’s fans) -):
    Anyway, Mariah totals more records sold than Madonna.

    Moff said “It’s a good sign that WMA, Mediatraffic, WWA, IFPI, RIAA and Guinness agree with me. Because it speak the truth.”
    According to RIAA, the only institution that count records sales among those you cited,Madonna worth 64.5 million albums in US while Mariah worth 64 million albums sold in US.( Mariah hadn’t release MC2Y when these official datas were published ). So,both are equals on albums sales in US.

    About Singles : RIAA certified Mariah for 15 million selling singles while Madonna has just 5 million selling singles in US.
    How could you say RIAA agree with your lies ?

    WMA Award already awarded Mariah Carey as the best selling female artist of all times ! Madonna never even nominated for this Award and title.
    Mariah carey is the artist OVERALL with the most WMA winning EVER !
    So how could you lie by saying WMA agree with you ?
    You just look like a crazy fanatic !
    Mediatrafic and IFPI lies on estimations,not on real count.So they are not 100% reliable. About IFPI,it already make huge lies and mistakes about some artists sales ( nana Mouskouri, Madonna,etc…).
    About Guinness,it even not an musical institution at all that allowed to claim something reliable on musical sales.Guinness can’t be cited among Musical institution even if it wasn’t made the huge lie by publishing Madonna has sold 280 – 300 million albums sold by Madonna by 2003, then rectify its lie by 200 million ones in 2010.
    Sorry,you fail Moff.
    Mariah Carey is the best selling female artist of all times !

  311. ATHENA says:

    Discography
    1990 Mariah Carey (15 million–worldwide)
    1991 Emotions (14 million–worldwide)
    1992 MTV Unplugged(15 million–worldwide)
    1993 Music Box(32 million–worldwide)
    1994 Merry Christmas (16 million–worldwide)
    1995 Daydream (25 million–worldwide)
    1997 Butterfly (17 million–worldwide)
    1998 1#s(16 million–worldwide)
    1999 Rainbow(12 million–worldwide)
    2001 Glitter(3 million–worldwide)
    2001 Greatest hits(4 million–worldwide)
    2002 Charmbracelet (6 million–worldwide)
    2003 ‘The Remixes copies (1 million–worldwide)
    2005 The Emancipation of Mimi (12–million)
    2008 E=MC2 (2.7 million–worldwide)
    2009 memoirs of an imperfect angle (0.6 million–worldwide)
    2010 Merry Christmas II you (0.6 million–worldwide)
    Total Sales:around 175 to 185 million copies sold, US Sales: 64 million copies sold

    here’s a link, i just changes music box to 32 million copies, and added the new albums:)

    8notes.com/biographies/carey.asp

    here’s a link showing Madonna has sold less records than Mariah Carey!
    absolutemadonna.com/?page_id=2401
    absolutemadonna.com/?page_id=2357

    Mariah Carey is a bigger seller!

  312. MOFF says:

    TRISH. Madonna is the best selling female artist of all time.
    IFPI said it, Guinness said it.

    TRISH ??? How do you Like a virgin has sold less, give me a proof for that!!!!!!!!!!

    Like a virgin has sold over 21 million copies worldwide and has sold MORE than Number Ones, it is even certified DIAMOND in US!!!

  313. shutup says:

    lol this debate is going on a circle.

    Madonna best selling female artist all of time. bets selling tour artist in 00s

    drowned world tour 75 milj
    re invention tour 125 milj
    confession 195 milj
    sticky and sweet 408 milj

    total cross 803 million dollars.
    Mariah Carey tour cross in 00s hmm maybe 50 milj.

    best single artist worldwide.

    mediatraffic.de/top-track-achievements.htm

    Madonna has 19 worldwide number one hits. Mariah only 5.
    Madonna 15 number one singles in Europe and 12 in USA.

    most top ten hits by artist in USA

    Madonna 37
    Elvis 36
    The Beatles 29

    Madonna has sold more albums in 00s

    music 12 mil
    ghv2 5 milj
    American life 4 milj
    i’m going to tell you a secret 0,5 milj
    confessions 9 milj
    confession tour 1,2 milj
    hard candy 4 milj
    celebration 2,3 milj
    sticky and sweet tour 0,5 milj

    total 38,5 million albums + catalog 4 milj = 42,5 milj

    Mariah Carey

    glitter 2,5 milj
    greatest hits 4 milj
    charbracelet 3,5 milj
    teom 9,5 milj ( 6 milj usa, 1,2 milj europe)
    emc2 2,5 milj ( this is real number. 1,3 million in USA and 0,4 milj Europe and sold less in asia than hard candy)
    the ballads 0,7 milj
    memoirs 1 milj
    mc2y 0,7 milj

    24,5 milj + catalog 2 milj = 26,5 milj albums.

    Madonna has sold more singles in 00s worldwide.

  314. shutup says:

    Mariah Carey singles’ peak and weeks on UWC:
    Vision of Love: #2 / 11 weeks on chart
    Love Takes Time: #4 / 5 weeks on chart
    Someday: #4 / 8 weeks on chart
    I Don’t Wanna Cry: #9 / 2 weeks on chart
    Emotions: #4 / 5 weeks on chart
    Can’t Let Go: #10 / 1 week on chart
    I’ll Be There: #2 / 9 weeks on chart
    Dreamlover: #3 / 14 weeks on chart
    Hero: #3 / 14 weeks on chart
    Without You: #2 / 23 weeks on chart
    Anytime You Need A Friend: #10 / 2 weeks on chart
    Endless Love: #2 / 11 weeks on chart
    All I Want For Christmas Is You: #1 / 26 weeks on chart
    Fantasy: #1 / 17 weeks on chart
    One Sweet Day: #1 / 18 weeks on chart
    Always Be My Baby: #2 / 16 weeks on chart
    Honey: #3 / 9 weeks on chart
    My All: #2 / 13 weeks on chart
    When You Believe: #2 / 21 weeks on chart
    I Still Believe: #7 / 15 weeks on chart
    Heartbreaker: #2 / 19 weeks on chart
    Thank God I Found You: #10 / 13 weeks on chart
    Against All Odds: #18 / 12 weeks on chart
    Loverboy: #10 / 7 weeks on chart
    Through The Rain: #15 / 14 weeks on chart
    I Know What You Want: #4 / 23 weeks on chart
    It’s Like That: #6 / 18 weeks on chart
    We Belong Together: #1 / 30 weeks on chart
    Shake It Off: #14 / 17 weeks on chart
    Don’t Forget About Us: #9 / 18 weeks on chart
    Touch My Body: #2 / 18 weeks on chart
    Bye Bye: #31 / 5 weeks on chart
    Obsessed: #14 / 16 weeks on chart
    vs Madonna’s
    La Isla Bonita (mediatraffic.de/week21-1987.htm
    Chart Run: 10 – 4 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 2 – 2 – 2 – 2 – 2 – 3 – 4 – 5 – 8 – 9
    Weeks At #1: 5
    Weeks In Top 2: 10
    Weeks In Top 5: 14
    Weeks In Top 10: 17
    Weeks On Chart: 17
    1987 YEC: #3
    Total Points: 7,158,000
    Who’s That Girl (mediatraffic.de/week34-1987.htm
    Chart Run: 6 – 4 – 2 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 2 – 2 – 3 – 3 – 2 – 5 – 4 – 9
    Weeks At #1: 3
    Weeks In Top 2: 7
    Weeks In Top 5: 12
    Weeks In Top 10: 14
    Weeks On Chart: 14
    1987 YEC: #4
    Total Points: 6,800,000
    Like A Prayer (mediatraffic.de/week24-1989.htm
    Chart Run: 4 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 4 – 10
    Weeks At #1: 13
    Weeks In Top 2: 13
    Weeks In Top 5: 15
    Weeks In Top 10: 16
    Weeks On Chart: 16
    1989 YEC: #1
    Total Points: 9,520,000
    Express Yourself (mediatraffic.de/week29-1989.htm
    Chart Run: 6 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 2 – 2 – 2 – 2 – 2 – 6
    Weeks At #1: 5
    Weeks In Top 2: 10
    Weeks In Top 5: 10
    Weeks In Top 10: 12
    Weeks On Chart: 12
    1989 YEC: #9
    Cherish (mediatraffic.de/week41-1989.htm
    Chart Run: 10 – 4 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 4 – 6 – 8
    Weeks At #1: 4
    Weeks In Top 2: 4
    Weeks In Top 5: 6
    Weeks In Top 10: 9
    Weeks On Chart: 9
    1989 YEC: #17
    Vogue (mediatraffic.de/week25-1990.htm
    Chart Run: 4 – 2 – 2 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 3 – 3 – 3 – 6 – 9
    Weeks At #1: 8
    Weeks In Top 2: 10
    Weeks In Top 5: 14
    Weeks In Top 10: 16
    Weeks On Chart: 16
    1990 YEC: #2
    Total Points: 8,575,000
    Justify My Love (mediatraffic.de/week02-1991.htm
    Chart Run: 6 – 3 – 2 – 2 – 1 – 1 – 2 – 2 – 2 – 3 – 4
    Weeks At #1: 2
    Weeks In Top 2: 7
    Weeks In Top 5: 10
    Weeks In Top 10: 11
    1991 YEC: #16
    Weeks On Chart: 11
    This Used To Be My Playground (mediatraffic.de/week33-1992.htm
    Chart Run: 4 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 2 – 2 – 2 – 2 – 2 – 2 – 3 – 5 – 5
    Weeks At #1: 3
    Weeks In Top 2: 9
    Weeks In Top 5: 13
    Weeks In Top 10: 13
    Weeks On Chart: 13
    1992 YEC: #8
    Erotica
    Chart Run: 8 – 3 – 2 – 2 – 2 – 2 – 5 – 5 – 8 – 10
    Weeks At #1: 0
    Weeks In Top 2: 4
    Weeks In Top 5: 7
    Weeks In Top 10: 10
    Weeks On Chart: 10
    Take A Bow (mediatraffic.de/week15-1995.htm
    Chart Run: 10 – 9 – 5 – 7 – 5 – 5 – 3 – 2 – 2 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 2 – 7 – 10
    Weeks At #1: 6
    Weeks In Top 2: 9
    Weeks In Top 5: 13
    Weeks In Top 10: 18
    Weeks On Chart: 18
    1995 YEC: #7
    Total Points: 5,986,000
    Frozen (mediatraffic.de/week21-1998.htm
    Chart Run: 8 – 3 – 2 – 2 – 2 – 2 – 2 – 2 – 2 – 2 – 2 – 2 – 2 – 2 – 4 – 6 – 9
    Weeks At #1: 0
    Weeks In Top 2: 12
    Weeks In Top 5: 14
    Weeks In Top 10: 17
    Weeks On Chart: 17
    1998 YEC: #5
    Total Points: 6,343,000
    Ray Of Light (mediatraffic.de/week31-1998.htm
    Chart Run: 10 – 9 – 7 – 6 – 2 – 2 – 2 – 2 – 5 – 8 – 10
    Weeks At #1: 0
    Weeks In Top 2: 4
    Weeks In Top 5: 5
    Weeks In Top 10: 11
    Weeks On Chart: 11
    1998 YEC: #17
    Beautiful Stranger
    Chart Run: 22 – 3 – 3 – 4 – 5 – 5 – 4 – 4 – 4 – 4 – 4 – 5 – 9 – 8 – 8 – 10 – 14 – 17 – 24 – 28 – 40
    Weeks At #1: 0
    Weeks In Top 2: 0
    Weeks In Top 5: 11
    Weeks In Top 10: 15
    Weeks On Chart: 21
    1999 YEC: #13
    Total Points: 4,573,000
    American Pie (unitedworldchart.de/week18-2000.htm
    Chart Run: 17 – 10 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 2 – 3 – 4 – 4 – 8 – 10 – 10 – 13 – 20 – 28 – 29 – 36
    Weeks At #1: 8
    Weeks In Top 2: 9
    Weeks In Top 5: 12
    Weeks In Top 10: 16
    Weeks On Chart: 22
    2000 YEC: #4
    Total Points: 5,746,000
    Music (unitedworldchart.de/week47-2000.htm
    Chart Run: 34 – 19 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 2 – 3 – 6 – 7 – 13 – 12 – 16 – 22 – 22 – 32 – 35
    Weeks At #1: 12
    Weeks In Top 2: 13
    Weeks In Top 5: 14
    Weeks In Top 10: 16
    Weeks On Chart: 25
    2000 YEC: #1
    Total Points: 7,414,000
    Don’t Tell Me (mediatraffic.de/week05-2001.htm
    Chart Run: 9 – 10 – 6 – 6 – 2 – 2 – 1 – 1 – 2 – 2 – 2 – 3 – 2 – 5 – 5 – 8 – 12 – 12 – 18 – 23 – 31
    Weeks At #1: 2
    Weeks In Top 2: 8
    Weeks In Top 5: 11
    Weeks In Top 10: 16
    Weeks On Chart: 16
    2001 YEC: #5
    Total Points: 4,994,000
    Die Another Day (mediatraffic.de/singles-week01-2003.htm
    Chart Run: 25 – 11 – 3 – 3 – 3 – 2 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 3 – 4 – 4 – 4 – 5 – 8 – 13 – 16 – 22 – 34
    Weeks At #1: 4
    Weeks In Top 2: 5
    Weeks In Top 5: 13
    Weeks In Top 10: 14
    Weeks On Chart: 20
    2002 YEC: #17
    2003 YEC: #18
    Total Points: 4,696,000
    American Life (mediatraffic.de/singles-week24-2003.htm
    Chart Run: 34 – 14 – 2 – 2 – 2 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 3 – 5 – 8 – 11 – 19 – 26
    Weeks At #1: 4
    Weeks In Top 2: 7
    Weeks In Top 5: 9
    Weeks In Top 10: 10
    Weeks On Chart: 15
    2003 YEC: #22
    Total Points: 2,887,000
    Me Against The Music (Featured) (mediatraffic.de/tracks-week01-2004.htm
    Chart Run: 25 – 13 – 8 – 2 – 2 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 2 – 3 – 4 – 4 – 4 – 8 – 11 – 16 – 24
    Weeks At #1: 4
    Weeks In Top 2: 7
    Weeks In Top 5: 11
    Weeks In Top 10: 13
    Weeks On Chart: 18
    2003 YEC: #27
    2004 YEC: #33
    Total Points: 3,680,000
    Hung Up (mediatraffic.de/tracks-week09-2006.htm
    Chart Run: 23 – 13 – 4 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 2 – 3 – 4 – 9 – 15 – 15 – 20 – 23 – 28 – 35
    Weeks At #1: 15
    Weeks In Top 2: 16
    Weeks In Top 5: 19
    Weeks In Top 10: 20
    Weeks On Chart: 28
    2005 YEC: #8
    2006 YEC: #8
    Total Points: 8,698,000
    Sorry (mediatraffic.de/tracks-week16-2006.htm
    Chart Run: 33 – 18 – 13 – 7 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 2 – 2 – 3 – 5 – 5 – 6 – 6 – 6 – 9 – 14 – 19 – 22 – 38
    Weeks At #1: 7
    Weeks In Top 2: 9
    Weeks In Top 5: 12
    Weeks In Top 10: 17
    Weeks On Chart: 24
    2006 YEC: #4
    Total Points: 5,180,000
    4 Minutes (mediatraffic.de/tracks-week27-2008.htm
    Chart Run: 36 – 3 – 2 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 1 – 2 – 2 – 3 – 4 – 10 – 11 – 14 – 13 – 18 – 20 – 24 – 27 – 33 – 35
    Weeks At #1: 11
    Weeks In Top 2: 14
    Weeks In Top 5: 17
    Weeks In Top 10: 18
    Weeks On Chart: 28
    2008 YEC: #4
    Total Points: 7,623,000

    madonna 110 million singles worldwide. mariah carey 60 milj. trish how mariah could have sold more singles? madonna 15 number ones in Europe based on sales. mariah only 1. madonna has also 11 number ones in Australia and 20 in canada.

    madonna-charts.com/world/madonna_en-uk.htm

    madonna also has sold 19,5 million albums in united kingdom + music club sales. so 21 million albums and 17,2 million singles.

    Rank Title Year Peak Sales
    1 Into The Groove 1985 1 860,000* (sales up to Aug 2008: 843,561)
    2 Like A Virgin 1984 3 780,000* (sales up to Aug 2008: 768,129)
    3 Holiday 1984 6 770,000* (sales up to Aug 2008: 752,968)
    4 Crazy For You 1985 2 670,000* (sales up to Aug 2008: 662,481)
    5 Papa Don’t Preach 1986 1 645,000* (sales up to Aug 2008: 629,386)
    6 Hung Up 2005 1 560,000* (sales up to Aug 2008: 517,036)
    7 Like A Prayer 1989 1 550,000* (sales up to Aug 2008: 513,231)
    8 True Blue 1984 1 545,000* (sales up to Aug 2008: 534,728 )
    9 Frozen 1998 1 525,000* (sales up to Aug 2008: 508,296)
    10 Beautiful Stranger 1999 2 520,000* (sales up to Aug 2008: 513,992)
    11 Vogue 1990 1 505,000* (sales up to Aug 2008: 484,308)
    12 4 Minutes 2008 1 475,000* (sales up to Aug 2008: 400,784)
    13 La Isla Bonita 1987 1 435,000* (sales up to Aug 2008: 421,760)
    14 Music 2000 1 410,000* (sales up to Aug 2008: 400,531)
    15 Material Girl 1985 3 405,000* (sales up to Aug 2008: 389,999)
    16 American Pie 2000 1 385,000* (sales up to Aug 2008: 380,937)
    17 Who’s That Girl 1987 1 380,000* (sales up to Aug 2008: 376,498)
    18 Don’t Cry For Me Argentina 1996 3 340,000* (sales up to Aug 2008: 338,494)
    19 Borderline 1984 2 310,000* (sales up to Aug 2008: 298,388)
    20 You’ll See 1995 5 305,000* (sales up to Aug 2008: 302,432)
    21 Gambler 1985 4 295,000* (sales up to Aug 2008: 292,341)
    22 Live To Tell 1986 2 280,000* (sales up to Aug 2008: 271,897)
    23 This Used To Be My Playground 1992 3 275,000* (sales up to Aug 2008: 270,427)
    24 Ray Of Light 1998 2 275,000* (sales up to Aug 2008: 262,514)
    25 Erotica 1992 3 270,800
    26 Dear Jessie 1989 5 255,000* (sales up to Aug 2008: 250,769)
    27 Justify My Love 1990 2 235,000* (sales up to Aug 2008: 228,683)
    28 Causing A Commotion 1987 4 229,934
    29 Dress You Up 1985 5 210,000* (sales up to Aug 2008: 204,970)
    30 Hanky Panky 1990 2 210,000* (sales up to Aug 2008: 205,733)
    31 Angel 1985 5 205,000* (sales up to Aug 2008: 198,650)
    32 Express Yourself 1989 5 200,000* (sales up to Aug 2008: 194,102)
    33 Cherish 1989 3 200,000* (sales up to Aug 2008: 192,891)
    34 Open Your Heart 1986 4 195,000* (sales up to Aug 2008: 186,472)
    35 Sorry 2006 1 195,000* (sales up to Aug 2008: 178,963)
    36 Don’t Tell Me 2000 4 185,000* (sales up to Aug 2008: 179,939)
    37 Power Of Goodbye/Little Star 1998 6 180,000* (sales up to Aug 2008: 175,095)
    38 Die Another Day 2002 3 175,000* (sales up to Aug 2008: 167,863)
    39 Give It 2 Me 2008 7 170,000* (sales up to Aug 2008: 100,986)
    40 Me Against The Music 2003 2 140,000* (sales up to Aug 2008: 126,136)
    41 Deeper And Deeper 1992 6 136,854
    42 Rescue Me 1991 3 134,764
    43 Rain 1993 7 130,771
    44 Nothing Really Matters 1999 7 128,137
    45 The Look Of Love 1987 9 121,439
    46 Secret 1994 5 117,957
    47 Lucky Star 1984 14 117,470
    48 Celebration 2009 3 108,000
    49 Take A Bow 1994 16 102,739
    50 I’ll Remember 1994 7 100,090
    51 Bedtime Story 1995 4 97,428
    52 Drowned World/Subst For Love 1998 10 90,651
    53 You Must Love Me 1996 10 90,428
    54 What It Feels Like For A Girl 2001 7 86,771
    55 Fever 1993 6 86,077
    56 Human Nature 1995 8 80,685
    57 Another Suitcase Another Hall 1997 7 75,233
    58 Bad Girl 1993 10 74,915
    59 American Life 2003 2 72,260
    60 Get Together 2006 7 67,163
    61 Hollywood 2003 2 59,633
    62 Oh Father 1996 16 58,730
    63 One More Chance 1996 11 56,851
    64 Jump 2006 9 52,038
    65 Love Profusion 2003 11 41,025
    66 Miles Away 2008 39 20,000
    67 Revolver 2009 ? 6,000
    ADJUSTED TOTAL 17,200,000

  315. shutup says:

    Madonna queen in Europe, Canada, Australia, South America and also a touring queen.

  316. shutup says:

    trish like you said? are you a child? trish where are the facts?

  317. TRISH says:

    MOFF, Mariah Carey is the best selling female artist of all time.
    Her sales worldwide proved it.
    World Music Award said it 3 different times.1998 Legend Award , 2000 Millennium Award, 2003 Diamond Chopard Award . Madonna was never be the best selling female artist at any year.World Music Award never recognize Madonna as the best selling female artist.Mariah was declared biggest selling recording artist in history in 2002 in front of several million of people at the Super Bowls.( Mariah was replaced by Celine Dion in 2004 just because Tommy Mottola and Sony team wanted to destroy Mariah’s career as Mariah had rebelled against them and leaved the label.In facts,Celine didn’t really surpassed Mariah’s sales.She just obeyed to Mottola is
    IFPI said it, Guinness and Sony team without never rebelled against them).
    Mariah is still ahead of Madonna on total records sales

    You say ” Like a virgin has sold over 21 million copies worldwide and has sold MORE than Number Ones, it is even certified DIAMOND in US!!” But how could you say Mariah Carey album sold 16 million worldwide while it almost reached Diamond sales in US alone ??? You will answer Like A Virgin have impressive sales in Europe unlike Mariah Carey,but how many Like A Virgin has sold in Japan and the rest of Asia ? If Like A Virgin sold 21 million,Mariah Carey eponymous album and Number 1’s would sold 22 million each !
    By the way,Number 1’s sold over 19 million worldwide.I don’t think Like A Virgin reach this sales.

  318. TRISH says:

    Moff,IFPI doesn’t count sales,it just make estimations.That’s why it also claimed Nana Mouskouri sold 200 million albums worldwide when she even doesn’t reach 50 million ones in facts ! So,IFPI just lie in favor of Madonna.
    About Guinness,it just pick up the number of 200 million albums from Madonna’s label then published it.As Guinness doesn’t have a system that count albums sales worldwide neither specialized in the musical question.Guinness can’t be mentioned at all as argument to support musical sales.You fail Moff,you don’t have solid arguments to support your craps.

  319. TRISH says:

    IFPI and Guinness just lie ! This is not complicated to understand Moff.

    @SHUTUP : Mariah Carey is the best selling female artist all of time.
    Madonna is just the best selling tour artist in 00s.That doesn’t make her the best selling female artist.
    Mariah is the most successful female composer of all times and the most successful female producer in history.She’s also the biggest musical influence alive on the planet ! etc… So,Mariah also have many huge accomplishments over Madonna,don’t talk about tours and money when we debate about sales.Nobody never deny that Madonna has impressive success on tours and concerts.Here,we talk about sales !

    Mariah Carey is the best female single seller of the planet, Madonna is the most successful single artist at airplay in the world.Big difference.

    Yes,Madonna has 19 worldwide number one hits. Mariah only 5.
    Madonna 15 number one singles in Europe and 12 in USA. But Mariah has 18 number one hits in Billboard Hot 100 and 15 million certified singles sales while Madonna has just 12 number ones hits in Billboard and only 5 million certified singles there.
    Madonna’s several number ones in Europe and the rest of the world are relevant just to radio airplay, not on sales.Madonna hasn’t sold as much singles as Mariah.

    Madonna has less albums in 00s than Mariah Carey

    music 9 million
    ghv2 3 million
    American life 2,5 million
    I’m going to tell you a secret 0,3 million
    confessions 9 million
    confession tour 1 million
    hard candy 3 million
    celebration 2 million
    sticky and sweet tour 0,4 million

    total 30,4 million albums + catalog 2 million = 32,5 million

    Mariah Carey

    Glitter 4 million
    Greatest hits 5 million
    The Remixes 1 million
    Charmbracelet 4,5 million
    The Emancipation Of Mimi 12 million
    E= MC2 3 million
    the ballads 1 million
    Memoirs Of An Imperfect Angel 2 million
    Playlist: The Very Best Of Mariah Carey 0,2 million
    Merry Christmas II you 0,8 million

    33,5 million + catalog 4 million = 37,5 million albums.

    Mariah Carey has sold more singles than Madonna worldwide.

  320. TRISH says:

    @ Shutup:
    Mariah Carey is a queen in America,Japan, Australia and the whole Oceania,Asia ,South America.Mimi is also the top female,composer,producer and the queen of the vocalists.

    Shut Up,are you an human? Shutup where are your facts?

  321. TRISH says:

    Madonna 60 – 70 million singles worldwide. Mariah Carey 75- 85 million.Shutup how Madonna could sold more singles? Mariah’s 15 certified million singles by RIAA and Madonna’s 5 certified million singles proved it.Number ones in Europe based on airplay,not on sales,that’s why We Belong Together sold more worldwide than Hung Up and Vogue although they were number 1 in most countries worldwide than We Belong Together.Europe is a weak market for singles compare with US alone.Madonna needs to reach number 1 in several European countries to have million sales,while Mariah needs to reach number 1 in just US to surpass what Madonna do in the whole Europe !

    Mariah Carey is The Best Selling female Artist Of All Times !

  322. shutup says:

    liar bitch:)

    we belong to gether us sales 1,6 million according to Soundscan vs hung up 1,3 million. mariah careys USA number ones are totally based on radio airplay. we belong together got 250 million radio listener and hung up only 28 million and the sales are almost the same hahahahhahahahahahaha. madonna has 6 platinum singles and 2 over 2 million selling singles in usa, vogue 2,5 and 4 minutes digital sales are 2,85 million and if you know in the 80s gold single was 1 million and madonnas 3 gold singles have sold over 1 million in the 80s so madonna has 9 million selling singles in USA and mariah has not 15 platinum singles only 11 check it out from RIAA.

    hung up sold more than we belong to gether.

    usa: hung up 1,3 milj vs we belong 1,6 milj
    uk: hung up 560 000 vs we belong 240 000
    germany: hung up 9 weeks at number one. sold 500 000 vs we belong 100 000
    france: hung up 500 000 vs we belong 50 000

    hung up

    Australian Singles Chart 1
    Austrian Singles Chart 1
    Belgian Singles Chart (Flanders) 1
    Belgian Singles Chart (Wallonia) 1
    Canadian Singles Chart 1
    Czech Airplay Chart 1
    Danish Singles Chart 1
    Dutch Singles Chart 1
    Eurochart Hot 100 Singles 1
    Finland (Suomen virallinen lista 1
    French Singles Chart 1
    German Singles Chart 1
    Hungarian Singles Chart 1
    Italian Singles Chart 1
    Irish Singles Chart 2
    New Zealand Singles Chart 2
    Norwegian Singles Chart 1
    Spanish Singles Chart 1
    Swedish Singles Chart 1
    Swiss Singles Chart 1
    UK Singles Chart 1
    U.S. Billboard Hot 100 7
    U.S. Hot Dance/Club Play[40] 1
    U.S. Pop 100[40] 7

    Australia (ARIA)[52] 1
    Austria (Ö3 Austria Top 75)[53] 31
    Belgium (Ultratop 50 Flanders)[54] 12
    Belgium (Ultratop 40 Wallonia)[55] 24
    Denmark (Tracklisten)[56] 3
    Netherlands (Dutch Top 40)[57] 1
    European 4
    France (SNEP) 12
    Germany 11
    Hungary 25
    Ireland (IRMA) 3
    New Zealand (RIANZ) 2
    Norway (VG-lista) 9
    Spain (PROMUSICAE) 3
    Sweden (Sverigetopplistan) 11
    Switzerland (Media Control AG) 4
    UK Singles (The Official Charts Company 2
    US Billboard Hot 100 1
    US Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs (Billboard) 1
    US Hot Dance Club Songs (Billboard) 1
    US Adult Contemporary (Billboard) 3
    U.S. Billboard Hot Singles Sales 16

    european markets like Germany, uk, france, italy, spain, sweden, finland are based on sales and European hot 100 is based on charts from different countries from Europe and those charts are based on sales and USA charts are based on airplay and sales. do your homework. madonna has sold more in south America and australia.

    Australia / albums

    P = 70 000
    G = 35 000

    DVD
    P = 15 000
    G = 7 500

    peak – weeks – certification – year – title

    10 (81) 1984 3xP Madonna
    02 (72) 1984 7xP Like A Virgin
    01 (78) 1986 4xP True Blue
    24 (18) 1987 NC Who’s That Girl
    13 (15) 1987 1xP You Can Dance
    04 (68) 1989 4xP Like A Prayer
    01 (29) 1990 1xP I’m Breathless
    01 (205) 1990 12xP Immaculate Collection
    01 (48) 1992 3xP Erotica
    01 (44) 1994 2xP Bedtime Stories
    01 (34) 1995 4xP Something To Remember
    05 (33) 1996 1xP Evita
    35 (6) 1996 1xG Evita (Complete)
    01 (93) 1998 3xP Ray Of Light
    02 (56) 2000 3xP Music
    03 (24) 2001 1xP GHV2
    03 (13) 2003 1xP American Life
    01 (46) 2005 2xP Confessions On A Dance
    01 (11) 2006 1xP IGTTYAS (DVD chart)
    01 (16) 2007 1xG TCT (DVD chart)
    01 2008 1xP Hard Candy 1xP
    08 2009 Celebration

    total: + 4 000 000 albums and dvd

    and + 11 number one singles. singles sales in Australia 1,5-2 million

    Albums #1 (2008)

    1. The Beatles (14)
    2. U2 (10)
    3. Madonna (9)
    4. Jimmy Barnes (8)
    5. The 12th Man (7) / Rod Stewart (7) / John Farnham (7) / Elton John (7) / Bon Jovi (7)
    6. The Rolling Stones (6) / Pearl Jam (6)
    7. Silverchair (5) / Celine Dion (5) / Michael Jackson (5) / Neil Diamond (5) / Red Hot Chili Peppers (5)

    it seems madonna is queen of Australia liar.

    jeesus chirst trish you are mentally insane bitch. music

    Madonna has sold more albums in 00s
    music 12 mil
    ghv2 5 milj ( 1,3 milj USA + 2,2 milj Europe =3,5)
    American life 4 milj
    i’m going to tell you a secret 0,5 milj
    confessions 9 milj
    confession tour 1,2 milj
    hard candy 4 milj
    celebration 2,3 milj
    sticky and sweet tour 0,5 milj
    total 38,5 million albums + catalog 4 milj = 42,5 milj
    Mariah Carey
    glitter 2,5 milj
    greatest hits 4 milj
    charbracelet 3,5 milj
    teom 9,5 milj ( 6 milj usa, 1,2 milj europe)
    emc2 2,5 milj ( this is real number. 1,3 million in USA and 0,4 milj Europe and sold less in asia than hard candy)
    the ballads 0,7 milj
    memoirs 1 milj
    mc2y 0,7 milj
    24,5 milj + catalog 2 milj = 26,5 milj albums.

    Madonna has sold more singles in 00s worldwide.

    4 minutes sold more than touch my body

  323. shutup says:

    sales in USA and Europe for both in 00s
    and 2 million for memoirs lol. 500 000 in USA + 200 000 europe. sold less than celebration in asia. 1 million max. playlist of mariah carey 0,2 million. it didn’t chart anywhere not even in usa.

    madonna: Europe

    music: 5x platinum
    ghv2 2x platinum
    american life 1x platinum
    confessions 4x platinum
    hard candy 1x platinum
    celebration 1x platinum

    14 million

    usa:

    music 3x platinum
    ghv2 1x platinum
    american life 1x platinum
    confessions 1x platinum ( sold 1,7)
    hard candy gold
    celebration gold

    7,5 million

    mariah:

    europe

    Glitter 400 000, not even gold
    charmbracelet 500 000
    teom 1x platinum
    emc2 300 000, not even gold
    memoirs 200 000 ( 2 weeks in European album chart)
    merry c2y 100 000
    gh 400 000
    ballads 50 000

    = 3 million for Europe and that’s very low.

    usa

    Glitter 1x platinum
    charmbracelet 1x platinum
    teom 6x platinum
    emc2 1x platinum
    memoirs gold
    merry c2y gold
    gh 1x platinum
    ballads 200 000

    usa sales

    10,2 million

    madonna between USA and Europe 20,5 million vs mariah 14 million. i know that your going to say that mariah is huge in asia and has sold 50 million albums there but that’s a lie. mariah has sold 18 million albums in Japan where does these 32 million comes from?

    JAPAN

    Mariah Carey : 18 millions
    The Beatles : 15+ millions
    Carpenters: 9m+
    Celine Dion : 8m+
    Queen : 8m+
    Madonna : 8m
    Bon Jovi : 8m-
    Michael Jackson : 8m-
    Billy Joel : 7,5m
    Eric Clapton : 7m
    Whitney Houston : 7m-
    ABBA : 6,5m
    Aerosmith : 5,5m

    all time artist list

    billboard.com/bbcom/specials/hot100/charts/top100-artists-20.shtml

    DOES BILLBOARD LIE? READ THE FACTS. and yeas I’m an alien lol.

  324. shutup says:

    oops 11,2 million for 00s in USA for Mariah.
    but still Madonna leads with European help.

  325. TRISH says:

    All the list shutup posts are falsified lists favoring Madonna .And all that he said are lies.
    First of all,Madonna is not queen in Canada,Celine Dion is.Madonna may be queen just in Europe .
    Mariah Carey is queen in USA ( the greatest music market of the world ),Asia ( including Japan that is the second greatest music market ),Oceania and Pacific countries ,South America,etc…
    Mariah Carey is also an influential queen ( the most influential female singer ever ).

  326. TRISH says:

    We Belong Together sold way more than Hung Up worldwide.It sold over 2 million in USA and its worldwide sales is way higher than Hung Up.
    Madonna got 6 platinum singles in USA,Mariah got 15 platinum and multi-platinum singles in USA.
    European charts are based on airplay, not on sales unlike US charts.That’s why Madonna is so successful there on charts.She’s an airplay queen.She always have many # 1 singles but the sales are never impressive.
    At the other hand,Mariah’s singles sold better although they reach # 1 in less counties

  327. TRISH says:

    putting USA + Europe for both Madonna & Mariah 2000’s sales comparison is unfair cause these are Madonna 2 strongest markets while Mariah strongest markets are USA + Europe.
    And even when you put Madonna’s 2 strongest markets vs Mariah’s 1 best market + 3rd market,the difference is only 6 million !
    Mariah sold more records than Madonna,admit it.

  328. TRISH says:

    Error : I meant Mariah’s 2 strongest markets are USA + Asia

  329. TRISH says:

    Mariah also sold more albums worldwide in the 2000’s than Madonna.
    PS : We Belong Together was the most played song worldwide in the 2000’s,not just in USA.
    Hung UP just reached # 1 in many countries ,still We Belong Together is more popular worldwide

  330. TRISH says:

    Madonna sold 20 million albums in UK,her greatest European market.You use to claim she sold over 70 million albums in Europe but that’s a lie.Where does these 50 million comes from ?

  331. ATHENA says:

    TRISH YOUR RIGHT, ALTHOUGH NOT MANY PEOPLE AGREE WITH, BUT I DO. @SHUTUP MAN YOU ANNOYING AS HECK! MARIAH CAREY BIGGEST SELLING FEMALE ARTIST IN ALL OF ASIA, BIGGER CONTINENT THAN AMERICA, AND AFRICA, BIGGER SELLER IN OCEANIA(AUSTRALIA, NEW ZEALAND), BOTH SO CLOSE IN US BUT MARIAH CAREY NEARLY SURPASSES
    MARIAH CAREY’S MAIN FAN WEBSITE CLAIMS SHE SOLD OVER 250 MILLION RECORDS HERE’S PROOF!

    mariahcarey.com/news/32551 , PLEASE READ THE DESCRIPTIONS AND YOU’LL SEE FOR YOURSELVES!

    asia – over 50 million
    us – over 65 million
    uk – over 28 million
    oceania – over 4.5 milllion
    =136.5 million albums sold
    plus everywhere else – 45 million +
    that comes to 181.5 million albums sold, adding her singles at 60 million comes to 245 to 250 million records sold! check her main website, it claims she’s sold 250 million records!

  332. MOFF says:

    Haha: 45 million albums sold everywhere else? Where? Africa?
    South America?

    Mariah Carey has sold 165 to 170 million albums. Admit it.
    No, Hung Up sold more.
    We belong together was just a big hit in US, not worldwide.
    You can see it on Mediatraffic: Hung Up was Number One for 15 weeks !
    We belong together …

  333. TRISH says:

    Thanks for the support ,Athena.These delusional Madonna fans try to decrease Mariah’s sale achievements.Hung Up was a big European airplay ,nothing more.We Belong Together Sold way more than Hung Up worldwide.
    Hung Up was # 1 for 15 weeks as airplay.

    Moff said “Haha: 45 million albums sold everywhere else? Where? Africa? ” We will answer to you when you’ll answer the same question for Madonna.So simple

    Mariah Carey =Best selling female artist of all times
    South America?

  334. shutup says:

    athena. Mariah 28 million in uk hahahahaha:) actually more like 12 million records. we belong sold 1,6 million in usa. and hung up was much more successful worldwide and got much more radio airplay. USA market counts radio airplay to their single chart. Mariah’s we belong got 250 million impression and that’s why it was 15 weeks a top.

    and mariah is not most influential female artist. why every modern pop bitch like rihanna, Katy Perry and gaga are admiring madonna and not mariah? madonna is also in the most powerful woman’s list and mariah isn’t. madonna actually changed many things and helped women’s and gay people right’s. mariah didn’t do anything. she will be forgotten and madonna is legend.

    oh and madonna has sold huge amounts of albums in Germany and France. Germany and france are the second biggest markets in Europe after UK.

    France / Albums

    Album…..Chart Position…Certification/Date……………..Sales/Shipments
    FA……………#9 (1x2w)……….P (300.000)/93…………….330.000
    LAV………….#5 (1x2w)……2xP (600.000)/01……………..640.000
    TB……………#1 (2x2w)……….D (1.000.000)/01……….1.250.000
    WTG…………#2 (1x2w)……2xP (600.000)/01…………….660.000
    YCD………….#2 (4x2w)……….P (300.000)/88…………….480.000
    LAP………….#1 (4x2w)…….2xP (600.000)/01…………….710.000
    IB…………….#3 (1x2w)……2xG (200.000)/01……………360.000
    TIC…………..#5 (1x2w)……….D (1.000.000)……………1.050.000
    Er…………….#1 (2w)…………..NC…………………………….300.000
    BTS………….#2 (1w)……….2xG (200.000)/95…………….250.000
    STR………….#6 (1w)……….2xG (200.000)/96…………….270.000
    Ev……………#2 (2w)……………NC…………………………….220.000
    ROL………….#2 (7w)……….3xP (750.000)/01…………….990.000
    M……………..#1 (2w)……….2xP (600.000)/02……………740.000
    GHV2………..#2 (2w)…………..P (300.000)/02……………370.000
    AL…………….#1 (1w)…………..P (300.000)/03……………500.000
    R&R…………35.000
    COADF………#1 (3w)…………..D (750.000)……………….840.000 (910.000 according to GFK)
    IGTTYAS……#8 CD, #1 (DVD)…………………………………..40.000 CD + 25.000 DVD
    TCT………….#2 CD, #1 (DVD)…………………………………..80.000 CD + 50.000 DVD
    HC……………#1 (3w)……………………………………………..230.000
    Celebration …………………………….P ( 110.000)

    Total:………………………………………………………………..10,6 mln

    Germany / Albums

    Album…..Chart Position…..Certification/Date……….Sales/Shipments
    FA…………#28 (1w)………….G (250.000)/94………….300.000
    LAV……….#1 (1w)………..3xG (750.000)/08
    TB…………#1 (8w)………..2xP (1.000.000)/87…….1.400.000
    WTG………#1 (1w)…………..G (250.000)/87………….400.000
    YCD……….#13 (1w)…………G (250.000)/88…………300.000
    LAP……….#1 (4w)…………3xG (750.000)/06
    IB…………#1 (1w)……………G (250.000)/90………….400.000
    TIC……….#10 (1w)………3xG (750.000)/07
    Er…………#5 (2w)…………..G (250.000)/93…………..300.000
    BTS………#4 (1w)……………P (500.000)/07
    STR……….#2 (2w)…………..P (500.000)/96……………600.000
    Ev…………#2 (4w)…………..P (500.000)/07
    ROL……….#1 (6w)………..3xP (1.500.000)/00………1.700.000
    M…………..#1 (3w)………..2xP (600.000)/01…………..700.000
    GHV2……..#3 (1w)……………P (300.000)/01…………..375.000
    AL…………#1 (2w)…………….P (200.000)/03…………..250.000
    COADF…..#1 (2w)…………3xP (600.000)/08
    IGTTYAS..#8 CD, #1 DVD…..G (25.000)/06
    TCT………#2 CD, #2 DVD..3xG (75.000)/08
    HC…………#1 (2w)…………….P (200.000.
    celebration……………………..G (170 000.

    total……………………….11,2 million.

    total from France and Germany = 21.8 million + uk 21 million = 42 million.

    Madonna is also third best selling artist in Italy with 8,5 million albums. so the total rises to 50,5 million.
    then 20-30 from smaller European markets. each country’s sales between 0,5-2 million. you shouldn’t underestimate the power of smaller markets, because madonna is loved all around the Europe unlike mariah. so yeas madonna has sold 75 million in Europe.

    hung up sold more than we belong worldwide. it sold more in Canada, UK, Germany, France, Italy and all around Europe and also in japan. hung up and we belong are tied in Australia.

    Carey fans are stupid they think they can say what ever they want without proves or links.

    billboard.com/bbcom/specials/hot100/charts/top100-artists-20.shtml

    here’s madonna’s 50 million award from Europe. she has sold more of course by that time around 60 million.

    jmenternational.com/work/awards/2001/madonna/

    The European Hot 100 Singles has been compiled by Billboard and Music & Media magazine since March, 1984. The chart is based on national singles sales charts in 15 European countries: Austria, Belgium (separately for Flanders and Wallonia), Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Hungary, Ireland, Italy, Netherlands, Norway, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, and the United Kingdom.

    it says SALES. SALES. SALES. NOT AIRPLAY!

  335. shutup says:

    trish take a poll and stick to your ass.

  336. TRISH says:

    Athena meant Europe 28 m, dumb she-male.We Belong Together was much more successful worldwide than the trashy Hung Up and WBT is also much more popular worldwide.Hung Up was a huge airplay in Europe,nothing more.That’s why WBT sold 2 times more than Hung Up worldwide.
    Europe chart is based on airplay ,that’s why Madonna doesn’t have even 1 single reaching 5 m sales worldwide,although she always have many # 1 singles !

    Mariah Carey is by far the most influential female artists.The next one is Whitney Houston.
    Madonna inspire a few untalented artists ( not many ) from her eccentricities and vulgarity.Anyway,there is no need to copy or being influenced by Madonna to be sexual Superficial or vulgar ( and this is not artistically neither musical,so it have any value ).If you have no talent,the artists you would be influenced by will be Madonna,Cher,etc… .
    Lady Gaga,Katy Perry,Rihanna,etc… admire Madonna because she’s musically/vocally/artistically untalented like them. If there was no video music and all other medias that promote image and superficialities ,all these trashes artists would never even called ” singer “.

    But all the talented and voice-gifted artists are influenced by Mariah Carey.
    Mariah influences so much more artists ( every talented artists )
    Madonna sexual scandals and Illuminati membership are the reasons for which she’s in the lists of powerful people unlike Mariah.

    Madonna will be forgotten cause she’s a fake artist, fake singer with no talent,no voice,no skills.All her strength is her slutty image.She’s not an artist ,but just a money-making machine.That’s why she have no musical legacy and will be forgotten.
    All her contribution to music is obscenity and superficiality , and mediocrity ,that are not contributions but rather deterioration

  337. TRISH says:

    Mariah Carey is the female artist that have the largest and deeper contribution in music history.She raise the bar of excellence and create new vocal standards for vocalists.Mariah is also the pioneer of many vocal aerobatics that many today’s vocalists try to emulate.It’s not for nothing that the greatest Pop vocal icon of this planet is called Mariah Carey.
    Mariah Carey was a legend shortly after her debut thanks to her unmatchable /fast success,her extraordinary talent and her unreachable voice.I even won’t talk about Hip Hop/R&B rise,the mixture of Pop/Hip hop,the tradition of Remixes,etc…

  338. TRISH says:

    Mariah sold huge amount of albums in China,South Korea,Taiwan, Hong Kong and Singapore that are the biggest Asian markets behind Japan. Any other western artist doesn’t even come close Mariah in these places.The rest of Asian countries are the reason Mariah total sales in Asia is what it is currently.

  339. TRISH says:

    In real facts, European Chart is based on airplays, not on sales. And these so-called sales can be easily falsified as there is no reliable system of certification there. IFPI is partial and had make mistakes in its statements.
    Mariah Carey is the top selling female artist,no matter what Illuminati controlled organizations say

  340. TRISH says:

    “trish take a poll and stick to your ass.”

    This weird guy always refers to ass,ass and ass .Why ? Because he’s a she-male .And this delusional she-male surely think I am like him and Moff ,that’s why he always tell me to do what Moff and him usually do ( sticking a poll or other things inside their respective asses ).So shameful for male persons !
    Sorry,I’m not like him/her so I won’t do that.And please I’m a girl so i don’t have the need to stick things into the ass unlike you,pitiful alien.

    @ Shutup ,Take Moff’s **** and stick it to your ass,you’ll surely love it more than the poll.

  341. Athena says:

    TRISH, RIGHT AT WHAT WHE CLAIMS, IT’S OBVIOUSLY TRUE MARIAH CAREY HAS SOLD OVER 250 MILLION RECORDS AS CLAIMED SO BY HER MAIN FAN SITE, SURELY YOU CAN’T DENY THAT.

    @SHUTUP AND MOFF LOL I MEANT MARIAH SOLD 28 MILLION ALBUMS IN EUROPE NOT UK, MARIAH HAS ONLY SOLD OVER 8 MILLION IN UK IT’S NOT BAD. AND YOU SAYING MARIAH CAREY IS NOT INFLUENCIAL IS LIKE SAYING MADONNA DOESN’T SLUTIFY HERSELF FOR ATTENTION, MARIAH CAREY ALSO LISTED IN ROLLING STONES, AND FORBES TOP 50 MOST INFLUENTIAL PEOPLE OF OUR TIME, AND REALLY MARIAH CAREY. HAS INFLUENCED THR ENTIRE AMERICAN IDOL PEOPLS WITH JUST ONE SONG, THAT BEING VISION OF LOVE! AND MARIAH CAREYS SONG FANTASY IS RESPONSIBLE FOR EVERY POP/HIPOP RNB MUSIC WE SEE TODAY , STATED BY MUSIC CRITICS!

    MARIAH CAREY HAS INFLUENCED BEYONCE, BRITNEY SPEARS, RIHANNA, CHRISTINA AGUILERA, SHAKIRA ETC… YOU CAN ALSO TELL BY ALLTHE RIFFS AND RUNS THEY DO, AND THAT DEAR CHILD ARE MARIAH CAREY’S YOUNGINS!

    SO REALLY MANDONNAREXIC CAN’T BE COMPARED TO THE QUEEN OF RNB AND POP, ONE OF MUSIC BIGGEST NAMES AND ICONIC WOMAN MARIAH CAREY!

    Mariah Carey 250 million records worldwide in just 20 years, it took Madonna to be named biggest seller, when it to MC only 10 to 13 years! Lol how pathetic of your slutress Mandonaass!!!

  342. MOFF says:

    Administrator, delete TRISH, please !!!

  343. shutup says:

    athena and trish. same person:)

    Oh and concerts are great measure of popularity. Mariah flops with her tours and you say she’s a legend, lol. can’t sell 3000 tickets in USA. Madonna can sell out New York’s Madison Square Garden like 4 or 5 night’s in a row. Floppy Mariah:) Madonna 15 number one singles in Europe and sold 50 million singles in Europe. Mariah 10 lol.

  344. shutup says:

    wrong athena.

    Rihanna has named Madonna as the pop icon who has inspired her the most.

    The ‘California King Bed’ star praised the 52-year-old singer for being able to continually reinvent herself successfully after three decades in the industry.

    When asked about her inspirations, Rihanna told We Love Pop: “I think that Madonna was a great inspiration for me, especially on my earlier work.”

    She added: “If I had to examine her evolution through time, I think she reinvented her clothing style and music with success every single time.
    “And at the same time remained a real force in entertainment in the whole world.”

    nobody remembers Mariah.

    digitalspy.com/music/news/a330967/rihanna-madonna-is-my-biggest-inspiration.html
    Digital Spy

  345. TRISH says:

    Athena and me are the same persons ? Pathetic she-male !
    Anyway,Mariah Carey is the best selling female artist.
    Tours are not measure of success at all ! Tina Turner,Cher,Barbra Streisand ,etc.. . were always more successful than MC on tours,however MC kill them on record sales ! See ?
    Tours are tours,records are records.
    Madonna never sold 50 million singles in Europe.She sold at maximum 30-35 million there .

    Madonna ways to being successful are so easy and superficial ways.That’s why untalented artists can break through in music on using them.

    Everyone,every significant personalities remembers Mariah Carey and respects her for her talent.

  346. TRISH says:

    Rihanna’s major influences and idols is Mariah Carey. She says, “I looked up to Mariah a lot and I still do. I admire her as an artist, and to compete with her was a moment I will never forget for the rest of my life “.

  347. TRISH says:

    Artists that claim Mariah Carey as influence :

    Destiny’s Child
    Beyonce Knowles
    Britney Spears
    Christina Aguilera
    Rihanna
    Jessica Simpson
    Patti Labelle
    Mary J Blige
    Pixie Lott
    Kat Deluna
    Lena Park
    Backstreet Boys
    Nelly Furtado
    Nivea Hamilton
    Leona Lewis
    Justin Timberlake
    Kelly Clarkson
    Lucie Silvas
    Shakira
    Alicia Keys
    Brandy
    Ashanti
    Anastacia
    Lynnsha,
    Utada Hikaru
    and lots more…
    Mariah Carey is also the main influence of almost every R&B female singers that came out in the 1990’s ,like said music critics.
    Just in the Philippines, Mariah Carey has influenced these artists :
    Regine Velasquez
    Jonalyn Viray
    Kyla
    Charice
    Nina
    And lots more…I let you imagine how many artists Mariah Carey influenced in the huge China,and the other Asian countries !

  348. TRISH says:

    “I love Mariah Carey. Her music has saved lives of children of the ghetto. Songs like “Vision of Love” gave us hope and the desire to sing her songs, trying to reproduce her notes, even if we could not. I do not think she knows she has played a large part of my life. And then when you meet her, you realize it is such a beautiful person, to defend when the media or other stars are attacking her. She does not deserve that.

    Mary J Blige

    ” I used to sing “Vision of Love” all the time in my shower using my toothbrush as a microphone.”
    Rihanna

    “Vision of Love” when I heard this song, I knew my mind was made up, I wanted to become a singer.”
    Beyonce.

    “The first singer that I’m really interested in was Mariah Carey when I was 12. Somehow, she learned me to sing, because you know I could not really pay me singing lessons. So I just listen to all her albums over and over again and learned her words.”
    Nelly Furtado

    “I watched “The Arsenio Hall Show” and Mariah sang “Vision of Love.” The way she used her voice, she had so much power. I knew then that I also wanted to make people feel what she had purchased. I bought all his albums and memorized his words. That’s all I wanted to make my day, singing songs by Mariah Carey.”
    Nivea Hamilton

    “I was obsessed! I remember when I heard “Vision of Love” and then I saw this young white woman with a black woman’s voice, and while it upset me. You can tell her she was an icon magic and everything I dreamed of being when I was in school, it is becoming Mariah Carey. She sang with a gospel choir around her and it was my dream. I just wanted to be her !”
    Lucie Silvas

    ” From her first album till today ,her music is absolutely beautiful to listen to. I am touched by every note and her voice is practically on all notes of the piano.”
    Anastacia

    .
    ” I found out Mariah on the radio when I was in my room. And when “Vision of Love” is over, I ran down the stairs and I told my mother, “Mom, Mom, I just found the greatest singer in the world. I just heard the most beautiful voice in the world ”
    Christina Aguilera

    “I always told this story: when I was in prison and I heard for the first time “vision of love”, I said it was the hottest song in the world. I always used to say: “Dude! if only I could meet her ! ”
    Snoop Dogg

    ” Mariah Carey is a perfectionist,every tracks from her albums proves that ”
    Missy Elliott

    ” Vision Of Love Is an incredible song.Mariah Carey is an incredible artist”
    Wanya Morris

    ” Mariah’s voice is like a cloud of emotion that surrounds you, and take you high in the sky ”
    Fat Joe

  349. Athena says:

    @shutup and you were saying Mariah isn’t influential?, lol you crack me up. trish proves Mariah is more influential than Madonna. your just to ignorant to pay attention.

    and really, saying Mariah Carey is a flop in tours?, lol just shut up for once, isn’t that what your username means?, well anyway Mariah Carey is the fastest selling solo artist in Japan, in tours and sales, when she did her daydream tour in Tokyo she did 2 shows in Japan’s biggest stadium (Tokyo super bowl) whilst her 200, 000 tickets sold out in 3 hours, the fastest for any solo artist in history, then she made another record with her butterfly tour, selling out 250, 000 tickets in just minutes, the fastest for any person in history. the same with her rainbow tour, now that’s legendary, each concert having over 50 thousand people!

    Australia, when she did her tours in 1998 her tickets sold out in less than 4 hours.
    Mariah’s daydream, butterfly, rainbow and Charmbracelet tours were all sold out.

    and lol Mariah is not fake at all, that’s just saying Madonna doesn’t fake her British accent, pathetic of her really, wannabe.

    Mimi, MC, Mariah Carey the best most influential biggest selling female of the millenia!

    show some respect:/

    love you Mimi<3

  350. TRISH says:

    Indeed,Mimi is the top female artist.

    On the occasion of an interview on Rotana Music, the famous Arab-Lebanese singer Haifa Wahbi said she was a fan of Arab singers, of course, citing Fairuz and Um Klathoum .As pop singers who come from the West ,
    she cites Mariah Carey as influence and also favorite artist .

    She said, MC has not only voice but also the physical and creativity. In this sense it is a complete artist.

    She also admits to have been present at the concert of the American singer, in Beirut, Lebanon, a few years earlier, for the Charmbracelet Tour. And she says she loved it and have been inspired to her artistic work, which, it must be remembered, has swept the Arab music, a little dusty, considering that only opera singers topped sales in these countries there.
    We are pleased that Mariah Carey’s music touches a very large audience… so large that it has hearing even into the Arab world, where Western music has little success, however, considered too modern.

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  351. Athena says:

    see, trish is right!

  352. shutup says:

    Ok. Don’t feed the troll. It’s good idea to stop posting anything here.

  353. TRISH says:

    Yeah, let’s stop posting here as it’s proved that Mariah Carey is the top selling female artist of all times and also the greatest female artist that ever live ! Let’s don’t give occasion for delusional she-males to talk about their asses and post their crap here .

    Mariah Carey = Greatest female singer of all times/Best selling female artist of all times

  354. GAMBIT says:

    Yes, Mariah Carey is the greatest artist of all times and the best selling female artist of all times!

  355. MOFF says:

    Yes, we all accept that Madonna is the best selling female artist of all times, because IFPI, Guinness, Mediatraffic, WWA proved it.
    We know Mariah Carey and Celine Dion has sold many records, but less than Madonna.

  356. TRISH says:

    Yes, we all accept that Mariah Carey is the best selling female artist of all times, because her sales proved it,not just partial and Illuminati controlled institutions.
    We know Madonna and Celine Dion has sold many records, but less than Mariah Carey.

  357. MOFF says:

    When I heard Mariah Carey has sold most records, I wonder where these sales come from.
    Madonna has more certifications in all countries around the world, besides Asian markets like Japan and that’s why Mariah has sold more in Asia.
    But Europe is Madonnas part. 75 million albums sold there, next to 50 m in Asia.

    That’s a big difference because also Madonna has sold many albums in Asia.

    Madonna is the best selling female artist, no institution of the world claims Mariah as the best selling :)

  358. MOFF says:

    I mean 50m records sold by Mariah in Asia, her album sales in Japan are over 20m.

  359. shutup says:

    50 million was already proved in 2001. she has sold 75 million albums in Europe. You are just jealous because Mariah has sold only 28 million here.

    jmenternational.com/work/awards/2001/madonna/

  360. TRISH says:

    When I heard Mariah Carey has sold most records, I wonder where these sales come from.
    Mariah has sold more records in all countries combined,no matter the amount of her certifications sales compare with Madonna’s.What is matter is the fact by which Mariah outsold Madonna on albums and singles sales worldwide.
    Madonna sold more than Mariah just in Europe,but that’s not enough to make her equals or surpasses Mariah.
    Asia is Mariah’s part in the same way Europe is Madonnas part.
    In spite of her innumerable fake certifications and over-shipments, Madonna sold 70 million records in Europe.Mariah has sold more albums in Europe than Madonna did in Asia.

    Mariah Carey is the best selling female artist,no institution never prove Madonna’s sales as we always know. Guinness, IFPI, Mediatrafic, etc… just make some biased estimations and lies in favor of Madonna. All those lies are not enough to make her the best selling female artist.

    Mariah has sold 50 million albums in Asia,not including singles,DVD and Videos.Yes, her album sales in Japan are over 20m.But she surpass 50 million albums in the whole Asian continent. ( The biggest and the most populated continent in the planet ).
    Madonna has sold about 55- 60 million albums in the whole Europe.She has sold over 20 million albums in UK alone as Mariah has sold over 20 million albums in Japan alone.

  361. Athena says:

    Why would anyone be jealous over Madonna’s record sales in Europe? seriously!

    Mariah Carey surpasses Madonna in the US, the whole of Asia (the most populated continent in the world as stated by Trish)! and Moff really? Mariah has not sold sold 50 million records in Asia, but 50 million albums not records, Madonna comes no where near there! Mariah has sold over 75 million albums in the US as of 2011, her 64 million was stated in 2003!

    haha Madonna is a joke I mean Whoredonna is a joke!

  362. Athena says:

    US – 75 MILLION ALBUMS
    ASIA – 50 MILLION ALBUMS
    EUROPE – 28 MILLION ALBUMS

    HOW LONG HAS MADONNA BEEN OUT? 30 YEARS, AND IT TOOK HER THAT LONG TO BE NAMED BEST SELLING FEMALE ARTIST, WHILST IT TOOK MARIAH CAREY ONLY 10 AND 15 YEARS, LOL MADONNA IS A JOKE

  363. MOFF says:

    If you are sure, you can surely tell me where you got these information.
    It is assumed that no one of us is part of any music institution. And no one of us has some contact to RIAA, IFPI and so on.

    So I beg you Trish and Athena, how do you know Mariah has sold 50 million albums in Asia, if you just know Mariah has sold 20m in Japan?

    How do you know Madonna has sold 70 m records in Europe when its proved that she got an award for 50m albums sales in 2001 alone?

    Why do you call every music institution biased and false if you never ever brought any links?

    Mariah is not a joke, my opinion. And Madonna is not a joke, my opinion.

    I would say “Memoirs” album is a joke because it has sold just over 1 million. And don’t say Celebration has sold less, you know that it has sold more.

  364. MOFF says:

    Madonnas “like a prayer” was voted at Number 2 for best videos of the 80s behind “Thriller” and in the 90s, “Vogue” got No. 3 !
    Great!

    Madonna a joke?
    I would Mariah Carey is a joke in case of music videos ..

  365. TRISH says:

    Madonna sold less records than Mariah Carey worldwide.
    How do you know Madonna has sold over 70 million albums in Europe when her true detailed show she sold less than this number ? The Award Madonna got in 2001 for the so-called 50 million albums sold in Europe doesn’t change her real sales there.Madonna true European sales didn’t really reach this number by 2001.European sales are not that significant !
    Mariah Carey album sales reaches 50 million in Asia,including 20 million in Japan.Just Her sales in China,South Korea , Taiwan ,Hong Kong and Singapore reaches almost 25 million ( over 6 million in China,5 million in S. Korea,and around 4 million respectively in Taiwan Singapore and Hong Kong ).The rest of Asian nations are responsible to give the total of of at least 50 million albums sold in whole Asia.

  366. TRISH says:

    About joke,I would say every Madonna one of albums are jokes cause their contents are so superficial and vocally useless ! That’s why artists can’t take inspiration from these songs.
    About music videos,Talented artists let this superficial department to untalented ones ( Keisha, Madonna, Pink, Rihanna, Kathy Perry, Rihanna, Lady Gaga, etc….).
    True artists and gifted ones doesn’t care about eccentric/extravagant videos ,as they have their talent to amaze people.Music Videos has saved Madonna’s musical career (without MTV ,Madonna would be nothing ).Thanks to music videos, she could sell her elementary stuff by getting a slutty/eccentric/extravagant image ,to amaze people.She also have many expensive videos unlike Mariah.So it’s normal that she had 2 videos ranked in these lists.In facts,She even should have much more videos on such lists,and also she should have ones that had ranked # 1 ,as it is her specialty unlike Mariah !
    Besides,Mariah have many good videos ( specially since 1997 ).Mariah’s Touch My Body managed to be the 4th most watched video on YouTube,in spite of its little budget.Mariah also have one music video cited as one of best videos of all times.

  367. MOFF says:

    “How do you know Madonna has sold over 70 million albums in Europe when her true detailed show she sold less than this number ?”

    .. “when her true detailed show ..”

    Sorry Trish, what ??

    How do you know Mariah has sold 50 m albums in Asia ??

    Award?

    Yes, Madonna has sold 75 million albums in Europe!
    Madonna In Europe

    Studio Albums
    1983 Madonna : 2,27m
    1984 Like A Virgin : 6,08m
    1986 True Blue : 9,27m
    1989 Like A Prayer : 5,59m
    1990 I’m Breathless : 2,31m
    1992 Erotica : 2,27m
    1994 Bedtime Stories : 2,22m
    1998 Ray Of Light : 7,68m
    2000 Music : 5,27m
    2003 American Life : 1,82m
    2005 Confessions On A Dance Floor : 4,57m

    Soundtrack Albums
    1987 Who’s That Girl : 2,64m
    1997 Evita : 2,68m

    Remix Albums
    1987 You Can Dance : 2,2m

    Compilation Albums
    1990 The Immaculate Collection : 9,0m
    1995 Something To Remember : 3,77m
    2001 GHV2 : 2,7m

    Live Albums
    2006 I’m Going To Tell You A Secret : 0,2m
    2007 The Confessions Tour : 0,5m

    Total : 73,040,000

    Award for 50 million in 2001, and I believe that, why should it be wrong? Don’t call everything biased cause even you haven’t showed us a music institution yet.

  368. TRISH says:

    Moff can you tell me, where IFPI, Guinness and Mediatrafic take the news that Madonna has sold 200 million albums and 100 million singles while none of them have counted record sales ?
    Yes Mariah has sold more than 50 million albums in Asia, as her Japanese sales already exceeds 20 million.When the rest of Asia is considered, Mariah ‘s sales reach 50 million at least ( 30 million for the rest of Asian countries ) .China alone has three times more people than all of whole Europe .How can you say that Madonna has sold 70 million albums in Europe when she only sold 20 million albums in the UK that is by far her largest European market ? Where Madonna has sold the 50 million albums remaining ? To IFPI and Guinness ?
    Madonna never sold 70 million albums in Europe, it takes more than just a reward to justify such sales , it would be too easy.If Mediatrafic or IFPI would give a reward to Susan Boyles as the female artist who sold the most records in the world, would it be the proof that she’s really the World best selling female artist ?
    I want to know how Shutup and Moff could say that Madonna has sold more than 70 million albums in Europe? What evidence Mediatrafic IFPI hold to justify such colossal sales ? Doesn’t it some fabricated lies ?
    Who cares of your opinion about Memoirs Moff ? Memoirs Of An Imperfect Angel album sold over 2 million worldwide, and the Celebration sales does not reach that number.

  369. TRISH says:

    Where Mediatraffic or IFPI hold this detailed data about Madonna’s album sales in Europe,as they do not count them?

    Be realistic Moff, Madonna has sold 55 million to 60 million albums in Europe the most.

    Mariah Carey is the best selling female artist of all times !

  370. MOFF says:

    Be realistic Trish, Madonna is the best selling female artist of all times!

    Make a point. I would we start with album sales of Mariah. And we start with “Mariah Carey”.
    It has sold 16M copies worldwide. Agree?

    United States 9,000,000 9x Platinum
    Europe – 1,319,000 Platinum
    Canada 700,000 7x Platinum
    United Kingdom 300,000 Platinum
    Brazil 425,000 Platinum Germany 200,000 Gold
    France 150,000 2x Gold Netherlands 100,000 Platinum
    Japan 355,020 1 Million 2005 Feb Flag of Italy Italy 24 100,000 Gold 2005 Feb
    Flag of Australia Australia 6 350,000 5x Platinum 2005 Feb Flag of Greece Greece – 100,000 2x Platinum 2005 Feb
    Flag of South Korea South Korea – 310,000 3x Platinum 2005 Feb Flag of Spain Spain – 100,000 Platinum 2005 Feb
    Flag of New Zealand New Zealand 4 90,000 6x Platinum 2005 Feb Flag of Sweden Sweden 8 80,000 Platinum 2005 Feb
    Flag of Singapore Singapore – 60,000 3x Platinum 2005 Feb Flag of Denmark Denmark – 44,000 Gold 2005 Feb
    Flag of the Philippines Philippines – 50,000 Platinum 2005 Feb Flag of Switzerland Switzerland 15 25,000 Gold 2005 Feb
    AFRICA Flag of Norway Norway 4 20,000 Gold 2005 Feb
    Country Peak Sales Certifications Date Flag of Hungary Hungary 35 – – –
    Flag of South Africa South Africa – 100,000 2x Platinum 2005 Feb

  371. MOFF says:

    I took that from

    bookrags.com/wiki/World_sales_and_certifications_for_Mariah_Carey

    Sound accurate, but many of these are not updated.

  372. MOFF says:

    MARIAH CAREY

    South Africa 100.000 (2x Platinum)
    Germany 200.000 (estimate) #24
    Australia 350.000 (5x Platinum) #6
    Brazil 425.000 (Platinum)
    Canada 700.000 (7x Platinum) #1
    Singapore 60.000 (3x Platinum)
    Korea 310.000 (3x Platinum)
    Denmark 44.000 (Gold)
    United States (Columbia House) 100.000
    United States (RIAA) 9.000.000 (9x Platinum) #1 (11 weeks)
    United States (SoundScan) 4.821.000 (until 01/08/2004)
    Spain 100.000 (Platinum)
    Europe 1.000.000 (estimate)
    Philippines 25.000 (Gold)
    France 140.000 (Gold) #17
    Greece 100.000 (2x Platinum)
    Holland 100.000 (Platinum) #5
    Italy 100.000 (Gold)
    Japan (Oricon) 355.020 #13
    Japan (Shipments + Imports) 1.000.000
    Norway 20.000 (Gold) #4
    New Zealand 90.000 (6x Platinum) #4
    United Kingdom (BPI) 300.000 (Platinum)
    Sweden 80.000 (Platinum) #8
    Switzerland 25.000 (Gold) #15
    Hungary #35

    Over 14M. So 16M is a good number. Agree with me Trish?

    Will you increase any of these numbers?

  373. TRISH says:

    Moff are you fool? All the data you brought here isn’t reliable at all. Mariah Carey album has sold over 18 million copies worldwide.
    you said Mariah Carey album sold 1 million in Europe ( estimate ),so not counted.It prove that all the sales that are claimed for Madonna in Europe are fake,cause they are also just estimation.For example ,the so-called 9 million sales of Madonna’s The Immaculate Collection is just based on estimation like I usually say .They just favor Madonna and they underestimate Mariah’s sales.In facts,how it could be possible that Mariah Carey album stand exactly at 1 million since 1990 till 2011 ?????! they even not claim 1,3 million or 1,5 million ,but 1 MILLION !!!! SO IT’S SIMPLY UNTRUE .It shows clearly that Madonna European sales doesn’t reach 70 million .And the same way Mariah’s European sales surpasses 28 million in Europe.
    Thank you Moff,you has just gave the proof that the total sales claimed for Madonna and Mariah in Europe are are based on partiality,not on facts.
    Mariah Carey is the best selling female artist of all times.

  374. Athena says:

    TRISH THERE IS THIS OTHER DEBATING SITE CALLED UKmix.org ABOUT MARIAH’S SALES, HAVE A LOOK EACH AND EVERY PERSON IS SO FOOLISHLY WRONG CLAIMING SHE’S SOLD ONLY 144 MILLION ALBUMS:/

  375. TRISH says:

    Thanks Athena,I’ll have a look

  376. TRISH says:

    Athena,please give me more details about the UKmix.org blog about Mariah,so that I could take part in the debate.Give me the complete way to be a member of this site.
    Thanks

  377. MOFF says:

    Again. I say “Mariah Carey” has sold 16M worldwide. What is your proof?

  378. TRISH says:

    Moff,Who are you to dare saying Mariah Carey album has sold 16 million worldwide ? What is your proof ? In what you based you to say that ?
    I say True Blue has sold 16 million worldwide.

    Again,I say the data you gave are not based on real count,but on partial estimations.
    Mariah Carey has sold more albums and more singles than Madonna worldwide !

  379. MOFF says:

    You are not allowed to say this, because you have no proofs :)

    I – at least – HAVE proofs, unlike you!
    IFPI makes real counts.
    Trish, tell me how do you know that!
    Mariah Carey is a successful singer !

  380. TRISH says:

    Neither IFPI is not allowed to say sales in Europe as it has no proofs.
    You don’t have proofs Moff.Just citing IFPI,Guinness,etc…. are not proofs.Like you and me,these institutions doesn’t count sales as we already see.They just give some created data based on partiality.That’s why they claim Mariah Carey first album has sold till 2011 just 1 million (estimation) in Europe. They invented Madonna’s 9 million sales for the Immaculate Collection in Europe.This album can’t surpass 6 million sales in Europe in facts.
    Moff,this is nil and useless to give detailed data for Madonna’s and Mariah’s European sales.Everybody already know they lies on partial estimations,not on real count.Your thoughts can’t change this Moff. The whole world knows that IFPI and Mediatraffic doesn’t count sales,only RIAA and Nielsen Soundscan count sales (in US).
    Madonna is a great artist,but Mariah Carey is the greatest female artist of all times and the best selling female artist of all times !

  381. MOFF says:

    And how do you know Mariah Carey is the best selling female artist, when I am not allowed to cite IFPI, mediatraffic etc ?

    HOW do you know TIC doesn’t surpass 6 million in sales in Europe, while knowing IFPI doesn’t count real sales?
    HOW do you know that at all?

    Madonna is the greatest selling female artist of all time, because everyone knows that (besides you) and certifications show it!

  382. TRISH says:

    Moff I’ll show you why the proofs that Mariah Carey sold over 18 million worldwide :
    You and Celine fans always admit that Celine Dion’s The Colour Of My Love sold over 18 million worldwide.
    The Colour Of My Love certification sales :
    Europe : 4 million
    USA : 6 million
    Japan : 1 million
    From these 3 major markets,its sales reaches 11 million

    Mariah Carey certifications
    Europe : 1 million
    USA : 9 million
    Japan : 1 million
    From these 3 major markets its sales reaches 11 million as well
    So they are equal.TCOML sales outsold MC in Canada ,just like MC outsold TCOML in China,S.Korea,Taiwan,Hong Kong and Singapore.
    Nevertheless,you imply that The Colour Of my Love reaches 18 million ( some Celine fans even use to claim 20 million ) and anyone never challenge this.But about Mariah Carey,you try to say it sold under 18 million ?

    So you’re based on partiality ( you prefer Celine Dion over Mariah so you accept everything for Celine while you challenge the ones about MC ,no matter what facts shows).
    So do you ( Moff ) imply that Celine’s the Colour Of my Love also stand at 16 million worldwide ?

  383. TRISH says:

    Mariah Carey is the greatest female artist of all times and the best selling female artist of all times.

  384. MOFF says:

    We are still in talking about how much “Mariah Carey” album has sold, not The Colour Of my Love.
    But anyway, you want it:

    The Coulour of my Love, according to my opinion, has sold not sold 20M worldwide. It has sold 17M.

    celinedioncharts.com/byalbum.htm#colourofmy

    This is very accurate.

    And like I showed you, Mariah Carey – the album has sold 16M worldwide.

    Trish, I don’t prefer Celine to Mariah. And even IF – I don’t manipulate sales of these artists, cause it doesn’t make sense.

  385. TRISH says:

    Like I said you Moff, True Blue has sold 16 million worldwide while Mariah Carey eponymous album has sold over 18 million worldwide.
    Mariah Carey is the best selling female artist of all times!

  386. MOFF says:

    And how do you know that. ?

  387. TRISH says:

    How do IFPI and mediatraffic knows that ?

  388. Athena says:

    Here is the link for the site Trish.
    UKMIX – Forums – Chart Analysis – Mariah Carey :: Charts & Sales …

  389. Athena says:

    Mariah Carey has 249 awards as of 2010, way more awards than Madonna herself, and Celine Dion, Madonna just reaches 200 awards whilst Mariah nearly surpasses 250!

    and Moff was saying Madonna is better? Stop being statistical, Mariah has always been better!

  390. MOFF says:

    Awards mean nothing. (Apart from Awards which show sales like WMA)

    Whitney is the most awarded female singer according to Guinness. But is she the best selling?
    NO!

    We go on with “Mariah Carey”. It has sold 16M worldwide!

  391. TRISH says:

    Thank you Athena

  392. TRISH says:

    Moff said ” Whitney is the most awarded female singer according to Guinness. But is she the best selling?
    NO!”
    First : you must know that sales are not the only purpose of art and music ! You surely think that sales are the only merit of artist ?! Dumb thinking !
    Second : when we take into account the number of releases + the number of active years,we see that Whitney Houston is a much better selling artist than Madonna
    Third : Awards are very meaningful ,cause they honor many things about art and music,not just sales.They honor quality,not only quantity.
    Awards are meaningless ONLY if the artist is not really deserving.Otherwise,it’s meaningful .

    Mariah Carey album has sold at 18 million worldwide.
    Mariah Carey is the best selling female artist of all times.

  393. MOFF says:

    Trish.

    1. I know sales are not the only merit of artists. For sure I know that?! Did I say the opposite?

    2. Yes, Whitney is a better seller. But she had been a better seller in the late 80s and early 90s.

    3. Of course awards are meaningful. But they doesn’t change anything how much records an artist has sold.

    Beyonce has 12 or 13 Grammys but she is not the best selling female artist of all times, and according to you, that would mean she is a better artist than Mariah Carey.

    I just repeat what you said Trish.

    Do you really believe Wikipedia’s list?

    They don’t even count Madonnas WMAs, they forgot it!

    I want to know where you got the number 18 million.

    It has sold 16 million worldwide, according the most sources.

  394. TRISH says:

    Moff, you distort my claims deliberately to make a point,so you’re a coward. I don’t want to discuss with you.
    Mariah Carey album sold 18 million worldwide.It has sold more than The Colour Of my Love .As Moff claimed that TCOML sold 17 million,so Mariah Carey sales reaches 18 million worldwide.

  395. MOFF says:

    I wont give up until I know how do you know the sales of Mariah Carey.

    Actually its an easy question, but you cant answer me so I can say that all you say is based on your mind that prefers Mariah over all other artists.
    You cant accept the truth.

    Every source in the world claim Madonna as the worlds best selling female artist. Whats wrong with that?

    Give me your proofs to understand why MC has sold 18 million.
    Give me your proofs to understand why Mariah is the best selling female artist.

    Saying she has sold over 200M albums and over 100M singles is crap! Cause we know it is untrue!

  396. TRISH says:

    Neither me honey,I wont give up until I know how do IFPI and Mediatrafic know the sales of Madonna and Mariah Carey.

    Actually its a difficult question because only RIAA takes proofs for the sales its claimed as they are based on real counts.Its seems that’s it an easy question for partial people in institutions like IFPI and Mediatrafic that doesn’t count sales,but based music sales on their mind that prefers Madonna over all other artists.
    Moff, you cant answer me so about where IFPI and Mediatrafic found the lies they claim in favor of Madonna.I can say that all you say You cant accept the truth.
    Every source in the world,every reliable institutions claim Mariah Carey as the world best selling female artist.
    Madonna is claimed best selling female artist only by institutions that are behind the Illuminati system.She’s far from this.Mimi is the deserving holder of the title ” The Best Selling Female recording Artist In History ”

    By the way,Mariah Carey album has sold over 18 million worldwide !

    Sorry Moff, but Mariah is ahead of Madonna on record sales worldwide.But,that doesn’t mean Madonna is an average seller. Madge is a great seller, but not in Mimi’s level. This is all the truth.

  397. MOFF says:

    1. “Every source in the world,every reliable institutions claim Mariah Carey as the world best selling female artist.”

    – proof? Link?

    2. “By the way,Mariah Carey album has sold over 18 million worldwide”

    – proof? Link?

    Sorry Trish, Madonna is the best selling female artist in history. Mimi is a great seller, too. But she is not in Madonna’s level.

    MC has sold 16M worldwide.

    Come on Trish, estimations are almost equal to the real sales of artists!
    I know we cant say the exact number, but estimations are estimations. 195, 200 or 205 million.

  398. TRISH says:

    1. Every source in the world,every reliable institutions claim Mariah Carey as the world best selling female artist.

    2. By the way,Mariah Carey album has sold over 18 million worldwide

    Sorry Trish, Mariah Carey is the best selling female artist in history. Madonna is a great seller, too. But she is not in Mariah’s level.Madonna is better than the Voice on dancing,nothing else .
    MC has sold over 18M worldwide.
    I agree Moff, estimations are almost equal to the real sales of artists!
    We all know we cant say the exact number, but estimations are estimations. 150,160 or 165 million for Madonna’s albums.
    Real Proofs showing that Madonna surpasses these numbers ???
    Even IFPI and Mediatraffic themselves can’t give proofs on Madonna’s sales,only partial estimations.So, you lose your time Moff.I can understand that you are a Madonna fanatic,but that doesn’t make her reached Mariah’s sales,
    Mimi outsold Madonna Moff.
    Mariah Carey is the best selling female artist of all times !

  399. TRISH says:

    1. Every source in the world,every reliable institutions claim Mariah Carey as the world best selling female artist.

    2. By the way,Mariah Carey album has sold over 18 million worldwide

    Sorry Moff, Mariah Carey is the best selling female artist in history. Madonna is a great seller, too. But she is not in Mariah’s level.Madonna is better than the Voice just on dancing,nothing else. Madonna has no voice,no talent,no musical skills,etc…
    MC album has sold over 18M worldwide.
    I agree with you Moff, estimations are almost equal to the real sales of artists!
    We all know we cant say the exact number, but estimations are estimations. 150,160 or 165 million for Madonna’s albums.
    Real Proofs showing that Madonna surpasses 160 million of albums ???

    Even IFPI and Mediatrafic themselves can’t give proofs on Madonna’s sales,only partial estimations.So, you lose your time Moff.I can understand that you are a Madonna fanatic,but that doesn’t make her reached Mariah’s sales,
    Mimi outsold Madonna Moff.
    Mariah Carey is the best selling female artist of all times !

  400. MOFF says:

    Why do you want to provoke me?

    Is there a reason? Do you hate Madonna?

    Everything you claimed is based on NOTHING.

    I repeat:

    1. “Every source in the world,every reliable institutions claim Mariah Carey as the world best selling female artist.”

    – proof? Link?

    2. “By the way,Mariah Carey album has sold over 18 million worldwide”

    – proof? Link?

    Trish..if you are able to READ, then please show me LINKS or PROOFS for that what you say.

    Mediatraffic, IPFI, WWA are AT LEAST sources that claim anything! They are called: sources.

    What you call source is just your mind!

  401. TRISH says:

    I provoke anyone,I just post what is true in that debate.You just repeat what some partial institutions claim in favor of Madonna Moff.
    I could say that you provoke me too when you try to deny Mariah as the best selling female artist of all times.
    I don’t hate Madonna unlike you that hate Mariah,you proved it every time,but this is from your business.

    Everything you claimed is based on partial estimations Moff,not on objective and real counts.I repeat it for you, IFPI and Mediatraffic make estimations.They based their statements on their preference for Madonna over Mariah.Nothing never proved that Madonna even equals Mariah on records sales.Your fanaticism towards Madonna make you blind.Madonna doesn’t deserve the sales they credit her.This is useless to asking for links,lists,ranks, and proofs because most of them are based on IFPI and Mediatraffic’s lies. What is matter is to show in what IFPI and Mediatraffic based their data since they doesn’t have a count system.Nobody cares about IFPI and Mediatraffic as sources,but about the validity of what they claim.How an reliable source could state that an artist is the best selling female artist of all times ( Nana Mouskouri) with 200 million albums when it is unable to prove even 50 million sales for this artist ? How an reliable institution could say so when the so-called best seller female artist doesn’t make even the top 20 of any lists of best seller artists male or female ? This is what you called ” Sources ” ? Do you think that IFPI and Mediatraffic are allowed to claim any lie for Madonna just because they are called sources ???
    In the case of Madonna it’s very easier for IFPI to lie,since Madonna has an impressive amount of Radio airplay hits in Europe thanks to her extravagances and scandals.
    Don’t be silly Moff.Mariah Carey is the best selling female artist of all times,IFPI and Mediatrafic are not enough to change this fact in spite of their lies. What you call sources are just IFPI and Mediatraffic lies Moff. Mimi outsold Madonna honey,take it.
    Is there a reason? Do you hate Madonna?million worldwide”
    – proof? Link?
    Trish..if you are able to READ, then please show me LINKS or PROOFS for that what you say.
    Mediatraffic, IPFI, WWA are AT LEAST sources that claim anything! They are called: sources.
    What you call source is just your mind!

  402. MOFF says:

    Oh dear Trish.

    Do you wonder where I got my information ? From sources.

    And I ask you: where do you get your information?

    E.G. 18M for MC or 200M albums sold by Mariah Carey.
    That’s all I want to know.

  403. TRISH says:

    I know where you got your information.I also know that your informations are fake cause the sources in which they are based lies on partial estimations.This is what is matter

    I ask you: where do IFPI and Mediatraffic get their information?

    Mariah Carey album has sold over 18 million worldwide.I’ll never be tired to repeat it !
    Mimi is the best selling female artist of all times in the earth planet !

  404. MOFF says:

    You invent these numbers. No doubt :)

    Trish? Where should I know that? They are sources and I believe them. You have no sources so you are no authorized to say anything unless you have proved us where you got this information.

    Madonna is the best selling female artist in history.

  405. TRISH says:

    No I didn’t invent numbers,the so called ” sources you cite for Madonna did for Madonna.And you too.

    Like you said before,let’s start with Mariah Carey eponymous album. Show me how The Colour Of My Love has sold 17 million worldwide while Mariah Carey album has sold 16 million,then I’ll answer to your questions.

  406. MOFF says:

    You will answer my question if I answer your question first?
    Trish this is …

    Ok you want it, and I will do it.

    Look at this link:

    celinedioncharts.com/byalbum.htm#colourofmy

    1. Look at this link and you see the sales in each country.
    2. The colour of my love is listed higher in “best selling albums lists” for example on “mediatraffic” and “worldwide albums”.

    “Mariah Carey”:

    South Africa 100.000 (2x Platinum)
    Germany 200.000 (estimated) #24
    Australia 350.000 (5x Platinum) #6
    Brazil 425.000 (Platinum)
    Canada 700.000 (7x Platinum) #1
    Singapore 60.000 (3x Platinum)
    Korea 310.000 (3x Platinum)
    Denmark 44.000 (Gold)
    United States (Columbia House) 100.000
    United States (RIAA) 9.000.000 (9x Platinum) #1 (11 weeks)
    United States (SoundScan) 4.821.000 (until 01/08/2004)
    Spain 100.000 (Platinum)
    Europe 1.000.000 (estimated)
    Philippines 25.000 (Gold)
    France 140.000 (Gold) #17
    Greece 100.000 (2x Platinum)
    Holland 100.000 (Platinum) #5
    Italy 100.000 (Gold)
    Japan (Oricon) 355.020 #13
    Japan (Shipments + Imports) 1.000.000
    Norway 20.000 (Gold) #4
    New Zealand 90.000 (6x Platinum) #4
    United Kingdom (BPI) 300.000 (Platinum)
    Sweden 80.000 (Platinum) #8
    Switzerland 25.000 (Gold) #15
    Hungary #35

    14 million.

    – I expect your answer now.

  407. TRISH says:

    Moff,Mediatrafic just invent these numbers,no doubt as it doesn’t have any music count system around the world.

    Moff? You should that just because Mediatrafic publish them as official sales.You are free to believe in what you want,but that doesn’t mean it right.They are sources and, most of them lie.You have no reliable source Moff,I have RIAA and World Music Award.You ??? You have any source Moff.IFPI and Mediatrafic are not authorized to say anything unless they gave proofs about where they got the informations and datas they claim about sales.

    Mariah Carey is the best selling female artist in history.You didn’t answer my question yet Moff. Tell me where IFPI and Mediatrafic got the informations they published about music sales ?
    You gave a link about Celine,but tell me where the maker of this link holds the informations about Celine’s sales ? On Which source this link is based ?
    Answer to me Moff
    You didn’t give any proof that show Mariah Carey album could sell only 16 million worldwide.These datas lies on estimations,not on real counts,sorry.
    Mariah Carey album has sold over 18 million worldwide.
    Mariah Carey is the best selling female artist of all times !

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