Top Selling Female Artist Madonna Or Mariah Carey Part 4

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This is part four of the continued discussion on whether or is the top selling female artist in a post from StilettoSadist. Check out the original post and the 400+ comments and part 2 and part 3 which continued the battle of opinions.

Madonna Misses Alexander McQueen Terribly

March 1, 2011 – Madonna, Fergie, Beyonce, Jennifer Lopez, Taylor Swift and more honored the late Alexander McQueen at the Met Gala. TV Guide talked the Material Girl, Fergie, Swift and others on the red carpet from the event. “Okay I miss him terribly, not only as a person but as a designer,” Madonna said. “The fashion business is a little bit dull without him.”

The report at YouTube has since been removed.

Charo: Lady Gaga Is Madonna With Diarrhea

March 1, 2011 – ‘HLN’ host Joy Behar talked with Charo about why she thinks Lady Gaga is copying Madonna’s act, comparing the ‘Poker Face’ singer to “Madonna with diarrhea”. Asked to explain what that meant, Charo said, “Because she doesn’t copy exactly. It’s like when you have got perfection, there will be another Madonna. But when something is missing, is when you’ve got diarrhea. You got it?” Um, no. Watch the interview below.


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148 thoughts on “Top Selling Female Artist Madonna Or Mariah Carey Part 4

  1. MOFF says:

    Trish, don’t you understand it?

    I am authorized to say anything because they are sources, whether you think they are right or not!
    You say they lie because Madonna is ahead!

    You have World Music Award and RIAA?

    Didn’t RIAA publish that Madonna is the best selling female Rock artist of the world….

    World Music Award gave awards to the best selling artists all over the world.

    Mariah’s prime time was in the 90s, that’s because Mariah got more awards, because World Music Awards didn’t exist in the 80s.
    I already told you.

    WMA and RIAA never ever said that Mariah Carey has sold 18 million, neither Mariah has sold the most albums and singles, so I ask you again:

    Where do you get this information?

  2. TRISH says:

    Hahaha! You are so laughable Moff.Nobody is authorized to say anything just because they are sources.It would be too much easy.We are in 2011,Whoever you are,whatever your name you can convince only with PROOFS and FACTS.If the President Obama would claim 1 + 1 = 3 Even a 4 years old child could deny him easily on this because the President could never prove by obvious and clear facts that 1 + 1 = 3.In the same way,Mediatraffic and IFPI.Moff,we are not in the time when authorities could say anything they wanted to.We are not in the Catholic Church system during the Middle Ages.Even if the Illuminati system is very powerful,but advised people can easily discover the truth because we live in a modern time where informations are available everywhere.
    Your little fanaticism for Madonna can nothing on what she accomplish in facts Moff.
    You say they are right because they say Madonna is ahead!
    You have World Music Award and RIAA?
    No matter if RIAA publish that Madonna is the best selling female Rock artist of the world.This is easy for Madonna because Mariah isn’t mainly a Rock artist like Madonna.That’s very far to credit her as the best selling female artist of all times.
    Besides,Mariah Carey is credited as the best selling R&B artist of the world.
    According to RIAA,Mariah Carey surpasses Madonna on records sales.Take it.
    Even if World Music Awards had exist in the 80’s.It would be Whitney Houston and Michael Jackson that would win them,not Madonna.Madonna has released many albums at the 80’s,but she was far behind Whitney’s sales.

    WMA and RIAA never ever said that Madonna is the best selling female artist of all times.RIAA credited Mariah as the best selling female artist in US.World Music Award already credit Mariah Carey as the best selling female artist of all times !
    Madonna ? She has just a Guinness citation and an IFPI estimation.
    So I ask you again:
    Where do IFPI, Guinness and Mediatraffic get this information about Madonna?

  3. TRISH says:

    Ha! You are so laughable Moff.Nobody is authorized to say anything just because they are sources.It would be too much easy.

    We are in 2011,Whoever you are,whatever how you are called.You can convince only with PROOFS and FACTS.Either you are sources either you are not.

    If the President Obama would claim that 1 + 1 = 3 , Even a 4 years old child could deny him easily on this, because the President could never prove by obvious and clear facts that 1 + 1 really equals 3.

    In the same way,Mediatraffic and IFPI could never prove by which means Madonna’s sales surpasses Mariah’s.

    Moff,we are not in the time when authorities could say anything they wanted to.We are not in the Catholic Church system during the Middle Ages.

    Even if the Illuminati system is a very powerful institution,it can’t hide the completely truth.But only publish some fake informations via sources,institutions,links,lists,ranks,etc… for cheated on ill advised people that have no brain,no capacity to question past facts,etc.but only support a claim that favored their favorite artist.They are just some fanatics,not music lovers.

    Fortunately,there are some advised people that know the truth and that can easily discover institutions lies.Don’t forget that we live in a modern time where informations are available everywhere.
    Your little fanaticism for Madonna can nothing on what she accomplished in facts Moff.

    You say they are right because they say Madonna is ahead!
    You have World Music Award and RIAA?
    No matter if RIAA publish that Madonna is the best selling female Rock artist of the world.This is easy for Madonna because Mariah isn’t mainly a Rock artist like Madonna.That’s very far to credit her as the best selling female artist of all times.
    Besides,Mariah Carey is credited as the best selling R&B artist of the world.
    According to RIAA,Mariah Carey surpasses Madonna on records sales.Take it.

    Even if World Music Awards had exist in the 80?s.It would be Whitney Houston and Michael Jackson that would win them,not Madonna.Madonna has released many albums at the 80?s,but she was far behind Whitney’s sales.
    WMA and RIAA never ever said that Madonna is the best selling female artist of all times.

    RIAA credited Mariah as the best selling female artist in US.World Music Award already credit Mariah Carey as the best selling female artist of all times !
    Madonna ? She has just a Guinness citation and an IFPI estimation.
    So I ask you again:
    Where do IFPI, Guinness and Mediatraffic get this information about Madonna?

    Mariah Carey is the best selling female artist of all times !

  4. TRISH says:

    Mariah Carey album has sold over 18 million worldwide !

  5. MOFF says:

    Oh little. You say things, that are actually finished, I know if Obama said 1+1 = 3 Kids wouldn’t believe him ;)

    Yes I am authorized, cause they are sources.

    When did RIAA say Mariah Carey has sold 18M – never! Tell me your facts.

    You said RIAA said Mariah surpasses Madonna in record sales.
    Send me the link.

    WMA and RIAA never ever said Madonna is the best selling female artist.
    – nope, they didn’t and I didn’t say it.

    No, we are not in a church system. But I told it to you cause you haven’t brought any facts here.

    I wanna see the first link!
    Send me, just a link!

  6. TRISH says:

    When did RIAA said The Colour Of My Love sold 17 million ? Never .Tell your facts
    You said IFPI said Madonna surpasses Mariah.Show me the proofs they got.
    Send me a non-Illuminati influenced source supporting that.
    You brought any facts here,poor you ! You try to be another Lucky Luke ,Moff ? That’s why you claimed proudly that Madonna album sales reached 380 million in the very first part of this debate ? Funny !

    PS : Why didn’t you show detailed sales of The Colour Of My Love proving its 17 million sales worldwide,just like you for Mariah Carey with a biased source as support ? A link doesn’t show detailed certifications and sales .Just show what the link says about TCOM

    Mariah Carey album sold 18 million.
    Mariah Carey is the best selling female artist of all times.

  7. MOFF says:

    Tell me your facts first, because you are the one who didn’t share a link until now.

    Madonna is the best selling female artist of all times, like Guinness said it.

  8. TRISH says:

    Tell me your facts first because you are the one who didn’t show a reliable source neither truthful facts.

    Mariah Carey is the best selling artist of all time,like her total sales show it.

  9. MOFF says:

    You didn’t show me a link or a source yet.

    Madonna is the best selling female artist.

    Administrator: Delete Trish, please!! :D

    My advice for you: get out of this debate.

  10. TRISH says:

    Mariah Carey is the best selling female artist of all times.
    Just bring arguments supporting your claims,not just Illuminati citations !

  11. TRISH says:

    My advice for you : Get a life like normal guys.

  12. MOFF says:

    Madonna is always and everywhere cited as the worlds biggest selling female artist. Only that makes people think about that.
    People know that Madonna is (one of) the most famous woman/women in the world.
    She has been active since 1982, okay this is not an argument because Tina Tuner and Cher have been working longer in that industry but Madonna is always at the same level (a successful level) since 1982.

    Madonna has produced more albums and more singles, many of her singles and albums surpass Mariah’s.

    Both singers have very high selling albums which are sold the same.
    I talk about: TIC, Music B., Daydream, True Blue, Like a Virgin, #1s, ROL etc etc.

    Nobody knows exactly how many records they have sold to date.

    The only thing we can do is believing in sources.

    Trish, you vary in total sales for the artists all the time.

    Once you said Madonna has sold 165 million albums, then you say 140 – 150 million. then you say 65 million singles and sometimes 40 million singles.

    ?????

    I have a accurate number based on lists made by people referred to the certifications in all countries.

    You say different numbers which cannot be comprehensible because no one knows where the sales come from.

    Over 100 million singles are proved by their certifications in the countries, the same goes for the albums sales (200m) by Madonna.

    It is rounded up by the media and the sources which claim same figures people calculated.
    I talk about Mediatraffic, IFPI (“200m albums”) and Guinness.

    Nothing else I can do.

    You do it that way:

    You say everything is biased and wrong.
    You insult artists.
    You say numbers and its proved “by their worldwide sales” without saying where do you get this information.
    This is Trish!

  13. TRISH says:

    Mariah Carey is always and everywhere cited as the worlds biggest selling female artist,not Madonna.Only IFPI and Mediatrafic that deny it just because they represent the Illuminati system in which Madonna is an important member ( like many other artists ).
    Yes,People know that Madonna is (one of) the most famous woman/women in the world,but people also know Madonna is very far to be one of the most talented female artist in the world.
    People knows,Mariah Carey is the most talented artist in the world.They also know Mariah as the best voice ever in the music industry.That’s why they buy her albums most than any other female artist ( includes Madonna ). That’s also why Mariah influences and inspires so many artists, so many people around the world.
    Madonna isn’t as the same level that she was at the 80s,you lie.
    Madonna’s 2000’s album has sold by just 2, 3 , 4, and 5 million just like some of Mariah’s. This is the Illuminati system that try to make people swallow that only Mariah’s level decrease at the 2000’s,just because Mariah is one of the few artists that are not in this devilish system.
    No Moff,everyone notice your obvious lie by saying Madonna’s level say the same today compare with her debut.

    Another lie.Madonna has produced more albums and more singles than Mariah,but many of Mariah’s albums and singles surpass Madonna’s,not the opposite.For example,
    Madonna has any album that reach Mariah’s sales on Music Box and Daydream.
    About singles,Madonna has no single that could even close to Mariah’s All I Want For Christmas is you, Without You, We Belong Together, Hero,etc…
    This is obviously because Mariah’s sales of Albums and Singles were particularly very important relatively to others artists that she’s credited as the best selling artist overall of the 1990’s,the most glorious decade of the musical industry about sales question.

    Madonna’s albums that are sold the same with Madonna’s are Daydream – TIC , True Blue – # 1’S, Like A Virgin- Emotions,etc… selling albums which are sold the same.
    I talk about: TIC, Music B., Daydream, True Blue, Like a Virgin- Butterfly, etc…

    You said that ” Nobody knows exactly how many records they have sold to date.” So how sources could say who sold more ?
    The only sources that we could trust is RIAA because only this source really count sales.All others just make estimations that are lies on partiality.

    Moff,You changed Madonna’s sales all the time.You already she sold 380 million of albums, 280 million,230 million,then 200 million.Even Guinness and IFPI do the same.They vary in total sales for the artists all the time.Nevertheless,you try to impose their lies here just because they support Madonna.
    Moreover,they are institutions,that’s a shame for them.
    The most important is the fact by which Mariah Carey has sold more albums and more singles than Madonna worldwide.

  14. TRISH says:

    Madonna doesn’t have even 50 million singles sold worldwide,don’t dream Moff.
    About her albums,about 150 – 160 million could be really proved by facts. All the rest stay a myth.
    By the way most of Madonna’s certifications are over shipments.
    Wake up from your daydream !
    Medias and sources become more and more corrupted nowadays because of the Illuminati. So,the only thing we can do is believing in what the influence of artist on other artists,the impact of her work on new artists and wanna be artists,etc…

    You do it that way
    You say everything is right since Madonna is showing ahead.
    You deny facts.
    You gave lists,datas and ranks and say its proved “ by sources ” without saying where do the “sources” get this information.
    This is what is called being pathetic !

  15. TRISH says:

    My mistakes I meant ” Madonna doesn’t have even 50 million singles proved sell worldwide ”
    Sorry.

  16. MOFF says:

    You wrote the same like me but you didn’t actually reply.
    You cannot argue Trish.

    I ask you again: Where did you get this information:

    18M Mariah Carey. Nothing more. We do it album by album and we start with “Mariah Carey”. So I already told you my source and now I wanna know yours. Nothing more.

  17. TRISH says:

    You are the first to answer to me,just tell me where IFPI,Mediatrafic and Guinness get the information about music sales,then I’ll answer to you.
    You can repeat Moff,but you can’t argue.
    You are not in place to say who can argue or not Moff,since you even don’t know the meaning of this word yourself.Do you think that you can argue when you just said ” I believe in anything claimed by IFPI and Mediafric because they are called sources ” ?
    I ask you again: Where did IFPI,Mediatrafic and Guinness get this information ?
    Mariah Carey album has sold over 18 million worldwide.Hate it or like it could nothing on this.That stay a immutable fact. I await your answers Moff.

  18. MOFF says:

    Trish, I’m honest. I don’t know how they count the sales.
    Shipments are the records sold to the stores you buy them. And real sales are counted by these “stores” like iTunes etc.

    I have AT LEAST sources where I refer to.
    You NOT. Besides RIAA which you always claim, it says nothing about Mariah Carey’s worldwide sales.
    So again: 18 million of “Mariah Carey” ??

    Where did you find this number?

    I have sources which claim 14-17 million.

    Now, it’s your turn.

  19. TRISH says:

    Moff ,as you keep dreaming on Madonna selling more than Mariah,please type : ” Illuminati myth ? the full documentary ” and you’ll understand why the industry decrease Mariah’s sales face to Madonna,and Increased Madonna’s total to make of her the top selling over Mariah. The top selling mus be an Illuminati superstar,well Mariah is not.So they gave the title to Madonna.But in real facts Mariah is the top selling and was always ahead Madonna ,since the end of 1990’s till now.

    Mariah Carey =best selling female artist of all time

  20. TRISH says:

    Also Check these links :

    dailymotion.com/video/x819u5_madonna-l-illuminati-a-voir_news

    dailymotion.com/video/xexorg_illuminati-madonna-britney-christin_news

    youtube.com/watch?v=1YeyjDfvbqE

  21. tane says:

    I believe Trish is right, Mariah Carey has sold 18 million worldwide! Here’s a link.

    urbannetworkdigital.com/artists-feature-top/mariah-carey

  22. LOL says:

    I am SHOCKED to see you are still fighting over sales !

    I thought it was all over and today I see you actually never stopped ! Come on guys, give it a rest. I didn’t
    believe my eyes when I saw there was a PART 4 to this
    debate. xD

    @ TRISH

    -I noticed you changed a few things RIGHT after you said Mariah sold around 175m+ albums (Mariah Vs Celine debate). Here I see you post 191m+.

    -Also We Belong Together is certified 1xP in Us (1m+) , 1xP Australia (70k+) and 1xP in N.Zealand (10k). By the way the highest estimations I ever saw about Mariah’s total single sales were 55m at one of her official sites (Mariah Journal). Even MariahCarey.com (Ultimate Fan Club) doesn’t include different info. JUST saying..!

    – You said all institutions claim she is the best seller. That’s simply not true. Not even her fan sites or labels or blogs or media or biographies give her this title. If we wanna be totally clear Mariah was given this title in 2000 and 2003, so the ”all institutions” applies to World Music Awards alone. And if we wanna be
    REALISTIC, Mariah doesn’t need this title to
    validate her significance and artistry and value.

    – It seems ironic reading you demand the sources OF Moff’s sources (They WAY they search facts) when you barely showed ONE source the past year. xD

    I am NOT dissing you, I am just put some FACTS into place here.

    – You did a VERY nice job on the artists she influenced though. Her name IS mentioned a lot by relevant mainstream artists (Beyonce, Britney, Rihanna, Aguilera) and irrelevant artists as well (Asian singers). She is like everywhere. ”Vision of love” inspired two generations of singers and this is an established fact as well.

    My advice : Stick to her significance and musicianship and don’t mind about sales. Mariah is a TREASURE and once you learn about music theory, you’re gonna love her MUCH more. The more things you learn about singing (placement, control, notes, techniques, styles) the more you respect and love her. Remember that..!

    @ MOFF

    Just move on man ! LMAO ! I agree with you but you should
    respect that TRISH doesn’t believe your sources (or chooses not to believe them) and just move on. I never
    searched much on Madonna, cause I am not a fan but it makes sense to me that she is the highest seller. I don’t have a problem she surpasses Celine – NOBODY denies that LOL. xD

    PS1) : You will ALL feel much better after you get out of here. TRUST ME !

    PS2) : Tane, you are the best ! :) <3

    PS3) : And I am not Illuminati..!!! :P

    Your dear friend :) Bye !

  23. tane says:

    lol thanks LOL! <3

  24. MOFF says:

    totally right, LOL !!!

  25. TRISH says:

    TRISH
    @ LOL :
    You strongly remind me someone that used to take part in Popdirt debates.Anyway,I’ll reply to you reasonably and friendly.

    1-First : you asked Moff and me to stop the debate ,however you clearly showed your partiality by blaming only my posts,and supporting Moff’s posts.So you can’t ask for stopping this debate as you’re not neutral.

    2-I said that Mariah’s sales can’t stand under 175 million ,I didn’t say they can’t reach higher than this number.

    3- We Belong Together is certified 2x platinum in US.Anyway,its worldwide sales surpass Madonna’s Hung Up.

    4-Mariah Carey total single sales surpass 55 m by far since long ago.By 2006,her total single sales already surpassed 70 million.

    5-World Music Awards is a musical institution.Guinness World Records had already proclaim Mariah Carey as best selling artist of the 1990’s,the glorious decade.As for Madonna,Only Guinness World Records claim she’s the best selling artist,but Guinness is not specialized in music sales as they haven’t a system that count sales of artists regularly,unlike World Music Awards and RIAA.No other organizations never did for Madonna.

    5- Mariah Carey doesn’t need this title to validate her significance and artistry and value,yes but she got it in facts,this is the most important.Besides ,this blog is about top selling female artist ,not about better artist .At the other hand,the Celine vs Mariah blog was about better artist ,not about just best selling one ( however,debaters focused it on sales cause they knew that Mariah is a better artist overall than Celine )
    .
    6- Every Mariah Carey fan sites,labels,blogs or biographies refers to Mariah as the best selling female artist.sorry but you lied.They accept the low official Mariah’s sales claimed by the industry just for protect Mariah against the Illuminati that could kill her ( the Illuminati sect is the murderer of artists like: Jimi Hendrix, Marilyn Monroe,John Lennon,Tupac Shakur,Michael Jackson,etc…)because they revealed plans devilish secret system.The Illuminati controls the music industry .They biased every datas and figures sales to make of Madonna the top female seller over Mariah Carey. Mariah is the top female seller of all time,in facts.

  26. The Reason says:

    1) I didn’t mean to hide my identity. I am ”The Reason”
    from the previous debate OF COURSE. I posted as LOL cause I kinda laughed/was surprised to see you all here, cause I hadn’t come on the debate since July. Anyway…I asked Moff and all of you to stop this debate cause in facts there is no way you make Moff believe your theories about the Illuminati and Mariah’s sales and OBVIOUSLY Moff can’t do the same with his own facts. I didn’t mean to BLAME your posts, honestly. I just wanted your answers on these stuff and thanks for replying about it politely.

    Now to make it clear :

    1) Mariah Carey has scored 15 Platinum singles in Us
    and 13 Gold. Both me and you have repeated this many many times in the past. Here is the full list :

    Vision Of Love : GOLD

    Love Takes Time : GOLD

    Someday : GOLD

    Emotions : GOLD

    Dreamlover : 1xP

    Hero : 1xP

    Without You : GOLD

    Endless Love : GOLD

    All I Want For Christmas Is You : 2xP

    Fantasy : 2XP

    One Sweet Day : 2xP

    Always Be My Baby : 1xP

    Honey : 1xP

    My All : 1xP

    When You Believe : GOLD

    I Still Believe : 1xP

    Heartbreaker : GOLD

    Thank God I Found You : GOLD

    Loverboy : GOLD

    It’s Like That : GOLD

    We Belong Together : 1xP

    Shake It Off : GOLD

    Don’t Forget About Us : GOLD

    Touch My Body : 1xP

    Obsessed : 1xP

    Her DOUBLE Platinum singles are All I Want For Christmas Is You, Fantasy and One Sweet Day. If you insist that
    We Belong Together is 2xP that means that one of her other singles (Fantasy, OSD, AIWFCIY) is 1xP and not 2xP.

    According To RIAA and Billboard she sold 31m singles
    in total in Us with these certifications that can’t be
    changed.

    3.Sorry, but I didn’t lie about anything. Here :

    mariahjournal.com/news.shtml

    mariahcarey.com/

    I respect everything you said but I had to reply
    cause you indirectly said I am biased and liar.

    I repeat : All of you should get out of here, listen to music you love and forget debates and crap like that.

  27. TRISH says:

    The Reason : Actually it was between Moff and me,so don’t insert yourself in these ” debates and crap ” since you were not into it since July.Cause if you keep reply,you’ll insert yourself into it.

    Just let whoever wants to debate do it since they are free and not forced to do it.
    Let Moff defend Madonna as such her fan,please.He’s not a child .And stop acting like his lawyer and blaming my posts( calling my claims ” theories ” and Moff’s “facts” ,etc….). You promised that you had stopped arguing since we had left the Celine vs Mariah debate.And I am sure you’d defend Celine in the Celine vs Mariah blog Celine whenever there would be the need,as such Celine fan.

    This debate is about Madonna and Mariah Carey. Let Madonna’s stans reply and defend her by their own .

  28. The Reason says:

    I promised to leave you alone since you stopped posting that Mariah sold 200m albums and I KEPT MY WORD till yesterday, when I saw your new answers here saying MC sold 191m albums at least, which is VERY close to your previous claims about her selling over 200m (aka the reason we debated before). You new claims (191m+) seem really ironic cause you are the same person who agreed Mariah’s album sales stand at 155m from the world’s biggest markets : 68m Us, 28m Europe, 5m Canada, 4m Oceania and 50m Asia.

    I am not Moff’s lawyer since I don’t bring facts that support Madonna and I don’t praise her on any level. I could be his lawyer in like 1 year from now, when I’ll have my degree and as long as he accepts to pay me !

    Allow me to make something clear : The fact that I called you out on saying WBT isn’t 2xP doesn’t mean I ATTACK YOU ! It means I wanted to correct this little mistake, since I know Mariah’s singles and how much they sold in Us + I happen to know her certifications. Don’t get defensive about it. You’d rather be happy cause you learned something now. I would attack you, if I tried to reduce Mariah’s single sales in this market OR her list of number 1s/top 10 hits.

    FINALLY, I honestly tell you that I could less about fighting with people who think Mariah sold more than Celine…or Madonna. I don’t care about it anymore, as long as I don’t see huge contradictions or lies.

    Sorry for calling what you claim a theory, but I barely saw any source (even a biased one) supporting you the past year. It doesn’t mean I don’t accept theories in general, but I simply can’t name people’s own personal thoughts/beliefs ”Facts”.

    Bye.

  29. tane says:

    I’m having second thoughts now, between Mariah and Celine”/
    sorry guys but I think Mariah sold more

  30. TRISH says:

    @ Lucky Luke.You leaved the Celine Vs Mariah debate because you decided it by your own.
    The most important is that Mariah is a better artist and a better seller than Madonna and Celine Dion.

    I promise to leave Popdirt debates since Mariah haters recognize she’s a better artist and a better seller than Madonna and Celine.Although the Illuminati controls music industry and biased every facts and datas against Mariah.Then publish fake data, certifications,links,etc… that support Madonna and Celine over Mariah just because they are Illuminati unlike Mariah.
    All the strength that have Mariah’s haters lies on links,not on facts.That’s why they try to impose links as arguments even for vocal capability of the artists,while the songs talk by themselves.
    You talk about me that I gave different sales Mariah’s albums.But what do you say about official sources like IFPI ,Mediatraffic and Guinness that do the same although they are supposed to be great and reliable official institutions ? What do you say about their ” estimations” or rather their “theories” about music sales ?

    Allow me to make something clear : The fact that you called me out on saying WBT isn’t 2xP doesn’t mean its global sales doesn’t surpass Madonna’s Hung Up.People always try to credit Madonna’s sales thanks to her airplays on hit parade Charts.
    You make yourself look ironic by saying to me ” you learned something now ” Anyone that already read the entire Popdirt debates could state about what you say on my knowledge in music.
    Do you really Mariah’s singles or just repeat what is officially published by institutions ?
    Who doesn’t know them ???
    This is banal to say me ” You’d rather be happy cause you learned something now ” This is not your post that could learn me something about music,don’t dream of.

    You said “I would attack you, if I tried to reduce Mariah’s single sales in this market OR her list of number 1s/top 10 hits.”
    But the question is not as simple.This is the official institutions that reduce Mariah’s sales,not just her haters. Mariah’s haters just take advantage of several links, datas, sources,etc… that are biased just to decrease her,then increase those of her rivals.The Illuminati is so powerful !

    Lucky Luke,I don’t mind about your thoughts on Mariah’s sales.What is matter for me is to show to everyone how the music industry is controlled by Illuminati,that explain why they tried to destroy Mariah’s career then replace her by Madonna as the best selling female artist of all time when she’s not in facts.About Celine,this is so hilarious to even think that she could sold more records than Mariah in spite of the large support of Illuminati that she has.she came out of the shadows a bit too late to convince the world about her sales.This is simply ironic and hilarious.
    Mariah is the top female seller worldwide,no doubt !

  31. Carla says:

    I agree that Mariah Carey sold more records than Celine Dion.Mariah Carey is also a more complete artist .

  32. The Reason says:

    I get all your points. I already knew that you consider
    all sources that claim Celine and Madonna sold more are
    biased and this is why I didn’t say anything on these. I know to respect everyone’s beliefs.

    – Since you ask me…I trust IFPI, Mediatraffic and Guinness. Same way I trust most official labels announcements, biographies, certifications and World Music Awards.

    – I never said anything about Hung Up. You are the one to mention it again. There’s nothing bad or insulting in learning something you obviously ignored. Unless you knew WBT is 1xP in Us and just lied about it.

    Now…since what matters to you is talking about Illuminati…

    I think making a big you tube account or a big Facebook
    page or group or twitter page would help you spread this
    info around, cause in here only a few people read
    what you believe.

  33. MOFF says:

    I agree with you The Reason. That’s what I mostly do.

    Conclusion:

    There is an Illuminati System / Organization that support Madonna and many other artists in popularity and sales.
    Mariah Carey is not part of this system, this is why most media call Madonna as the best selling female artist.
    OK.

    Mariah is a better seller, cause facts show it.
    Guys, understood? “Facts” show it! It´ Mariah!

    Also:

    Every source and proof in the world (which by the way calls Madonna as the best selling female singer) is biased and wrong. Reason: It’s part of the Illuminati!!

    OK. End of this debate.

  34. TRISH says:

    Don’t judge me Lucky Luke.Me too,I already knew that you consider
    all sources that claim Celine and Madonna sold more are right.This is why I did many researches to explain and show why the sources and institutions are all partials and biased against Mariah while they support clearly Madonna and Celine.I finally discover that a huge and powerful secret devilish sect called Illuminati was under those partialities.
    I respect what you believe,but this is important to show how much Illuminati is wrong and invent lies about music sales just to raise up Madonna and Celine’s sales while they decrease Mariah’s.
    According to what is officially published by medias that are under the Illuminati control,Mariah is a flopped artist since the 2000’s, only her albums sales decrease at the last decade.In facts, the respective career of Madonna,Mariah Carey,Whitney Houston and Celine Dion had declined at the 2000’s.Mariah wasn’t an exception.
    Like Mariah Carey,Madonna and Celine’s 2000 albums and collections sold by 2,3,5 million too,not Just Mimi. Mariah has an album reaching 12 million sales while Celine and Madonna have each one album selling at 10 million.The Illuminati also tried to destroy Mariah’s vocal popularity,her achievements,etc…

    You are free to trust in what IFPI, Mediatraffic and Guinness claim about music sales secretly under the Illuminati cover.Many people believe in them,you are not the only one.But,your belief doesn’t allow you to deny what obvious facts show.The Illuminati is not my “theory” that coming from my imagination.Since long ago,I known that it was a conspiracy against Mariah,I felt that it must have a reason whom explain why these official institutions decrease Mariah’s sales then increase those of Celine and Madonna.Now I got the answer ” ILLUMINATI ” So I have to share it with popdirt readers.
    Mariah Carey is the best female recording artist in history !

  35. The Reason says:

    Celine doesn’t have the support of Illuminati. She has
    been singing songs about LOVE and GOD since her very
    first album in 1981 till today. Saying she has their
    support is highly unsupported, therefore dumped.

  36. The Reason says:

    @ MOFF

    Yeah Moff… ;-)

  37. The Reason says:

    @ TRISH

    Something more… The only popdirt readers would be me,

    Moff and tane so there’s nothing new to say to us… But

    look what I found :

    youtube.com/watch?v=lbsIFaDHQYE

    youtube.com/watch?v=MUgXgeZBs28

    Some of the comments in these videos are really mean.

    ”I love Mariah! I only listen to her music but I do think she’s in the Illuminati, otherwise she wouldn’t be this famous. Plus she has the song with Jay-z who’s well known for his devil worship. Also you can? see many pictures of her where she’s covering one eye, from 1990 til now!!
    ILoveMariahCarey777”

    ”Tommy Mottola cleaned that rat Mariah Carey up , she as a high class escort when she met Mottola.? she was his trick. and she was cheating on him with Derek Jeter that’s why he followed her stank ass! her sister who just stop tricking year before last said she divorced Mottola for Jeter but Jeter dumped her.”

    ”oh sh**, I see the? pyramid and the all-seeing eye in the background in her 1992 Grammy performance”

    Same and even worse results appear if you press her name

    next to the word Illuminati on Google.

    So the first step would be to make people like them

    believe Mariah is not their member… I don’t think she

    is, by the way.

    You have a lot of work to do ! Good Luck !!!

  38. TRISH says:

    Sorry Lucky Luke but Celine Dion is also supported by the Illuminati .There are proofs she’s a member of this powerful secret sect :

    lepost.fr/article/2010/01/15/1888855_les-plus-grandes-stars-appartiennent-elle-a-une-societe-secrete-malefique.html

    youtube.com/watch?v=mzcxhnq_fzw

    youtube.com/watch?v=CcIa2Mlwc30

    I remember that once in a interview ( French language ),Celine has tell that she sings for the devil.At those times,everyone though she was joking.

    Also Google image Celine Dion Illuminati ,you’ll see the proper gestures and symbols of Illuminati Celine did in photos.
    Celine’s “ A New Day Has Come “ song is an entire Illuminati message.

    Now It’s easy to understand why after having receive the best selling title from World Music Awards by 2003 ( which Mariah held since 1998 ),Mariah Carey was abruptly replaced by Celine Dion by the same institution the NEXT YEAR ! On the pretext of no counted certifications from the 1990’s ! silly ! That’s ridiculous cause Celine and Mariah were both at the same music company,so how could Celine certifications in the 1990’s not complete why Mariah’s would be ? It was a childish argument in facts ! they claimed Celine sold 175 million albums by then ,while by 2011 Celine total albums sales can’t even reach this number ( counting her sales per continents/countries ).
    The music industry is controlled by Illuminati.Tommy Mottola is an Illuminati member.That’s why he didn’t support ( via the label he leaded ) Mariah’s ( since 1996- 1997 ) and promoted only Celine’s stuff .He had surely hope that Mariah would agree to join the satanic sect,but as Mariah refused and divorced to him,he started to “ ill-treat” her . Finally,his label finds out a way to replace Mariah by Celine by their “uncounted certifications “ pretext.
    Another fact showing that Illuminati biases facts ,and that Mariah true sales are decreased by the institutions while Celine’s and Madonna’s are increased is Mariah’s sales in Europe.Mariah Carey album according to the sources stands at exactly 1 million sales ! not 1,1m,nor 1,3m neither 1,5 but 1 million ! That shows clearly it’s a created number .It’s impossible that an album released since 1990 stand at exactly 1 million! And it’s the same for many other Mariah’s album sales in Europe !They had certainly reach more sales in Europe . That’s can’t be true that most of her better albums stands at just 1 million sales here.
    Mariah Carey is a free Illuminati artist,and the best selling female artist of the world.

  39. TRISH says:

    Mariah is not a member of Illuminati,you just try to her in the same category than Madonna and Celine while you know it’s untrue.Sorry but the citations you show are simply comments from YouTube readers,they doesn’t mean anything !
    At the other hand ,every facts I said come from the videos themselves, not from some ignorants and partial posters trying to take Mariah in the same sentence than Celine & Madonna !
    Mariah is a free Illuminati star.Even in some of the Illuminati exposing videos,they mention her as a free Illuminati artist.And they put her in the same category than Michael Jackson who was killed by the Illuminati !

    I need more than comments from some regular Mariah haters of YouTube to make of Mariah an Illuminati member.Show me rather a document ,or a video made by Illuminati denouncers !!!

    So your effort fail.
    Try again

  40. TRISH says:

    Also check this :

    imaniipulation.skyrock.com/29.html

    It’s in French language but I hope you can read it properly.It says clearly that Mariah is not an Illuminati star .It also claim that some people tried to ruin Mariah reputation after she had divorced Tommy and leave his label .It claims finally that Mariah is the best female seller,but Illuminati give the title to Madonna.

    Mariah Carey is an anti-Illuminati artist.She had rebelled against it since 1997 ,and all this match much better than what stupid comments from YouTube Mariah haters said.

    Mariah is a christian.That’s also why the always put her and Whitney Houston in the same category.They are both free Illuminati stars.

  41. TRISH says:

    ” Same and even worse results appear if you press her name
    next to the word Illuminati on Google. ”

    LIES !!!! There is nothing proving Mariah is an Illuminati star when pressing Mariah Illuminati on Google. Only a video titled ” Mariah Carey Illuminati ” and when you watch it,you even see that Mariah is a free Illuminati artist.Any picture,any song any video ,any document referring to Mariah as Illuminati star.

    FAIL

  42. TRISH says:

    Where are those photos in which Mariah covered one eye all along the 1990’s ? I wanna see just one of them.Cause when I just press Celine’s name next to Illuminati, I see many Celine’s pictures referring to Illuminati gestures effortlessly on the web. I can’t see even one of ” all these Mariah pictures ” referring to the Illuminati. It will take more than ridiculous comments from disguised Mariah haters to prove what is untrue.Just refer me to these photos and videos,not to the comments from disguised and non-disguised Mariah haters.

    Mariah Carey =best selling female artist of all time, and free Illuminati female artist

  43. TRISH says:

    Also check this

    jesusklub.com/videos/celine-dion-the-illuminati-puppet/

    Celine is clearly an Illuminati member.Just show me something similar to Mariah Carey,not just dumb comments cause everyone can do .

  44. TRISH says:

    read this article on the internet title : Celine the Illuminati puppet .

    jesusklub.com/videos/celine-dion-the-illuminati-puppet/

    Mariah is not Illuminati,Mariah loves GOD she crate a song to praise God in every of her albums.She read the Bible and pray every night before sleeping ( according to her husband Nick Cannon ). Mariah Carey was an very talented artist and vocalist that didn’t need the support of Illuminati to succeed in music.But,Tommy Mottola always tried to influenced her work in the lyric of her songs.Mariah always refused.Finally she left Mottola,then Sony ( Columbia Records). But,she never denounced the true reasons because she would be killed by the Illuminati sect.Unlike Celine Dion,is a Illuminati puppet.She do anything that Mottola and Sony team wanted to.That’s why the label had make of Celine the most important member since 1996 over Mariah Carey who was most successful and talented.
    In 2007,Michael Jackson denounced Tommy Mottola in an public declaration and accused Mottola to be ” A Devil ” .In 2009, Michael Jackson is killed by the Illuminati. Mariah Carey is smart,she never denounced nothing,although she obviously see how the institutions and medias try to dethrone her for Madonna and Celine Dion that doesn’t deserve that in facts.
    Mariah Carey is the best selling female artist of all times !

  45. The Reason says:

    Why don’t you post all these to people who actually give a fu** on what you have to say ?

    – First on CELINE.

    What kind of Illuminati member sings songs praising GOD and His power ? What kind of Illuminati sings songs about UNIVERSAL LOVE ? Do you think Celine’s discography is somehow similar to Jay-Z, Rihanna’s, Kesha’s, Beyonce’s or Snoop Dog’s ?

    First Album : La Voix Du BON DIEU

    Other songs : The Prayer, A Mother’s Prayer, Miracle,
    New Dawn ”Jesus I will follow” , Love Can Move
    Mountains, Call The MAN ”Call the man who deals in
    love beyond repair” , Je chaterait, Sur le meme bateau
    ”S’il suffisait qu’on s’aime, s’il suffisait d’aimer”,
    Let’s Talk About LOVE, Let’s Talk About TRUST and so on,
    What a wonderful world, If I Could, Where is the Love…

    Let me stop here.

    POST 43 made me laugh. The darkness is the absence of
    Lucifer ? LOL Too bad her husband almost DIED of CANCER and she had hard time giving birth, although she tried for 6 years..! Mariah’s ”Through The Rain” starts darkish like this video so any dumb person could put this video in the same category ! This is so silly and laughable. (And please don’t reply to that like I accuse
    Mariah cause I already said this is SILLY & LAUGHABLE)

    Oh and by the way, ALL the links you gave are all FAN made so THEY HAVE THE SAME SUBSTANCE AS YOU TUBE COMMENTS ! This shows how much you have done your research. LMAO Once again you don’t know what you’re talking about. Anyway, only an idiot would attack Mariah and Celine to be evil women, unless they don’t have listened to their respective discography.

    – NOW ON MARIAH (Take Note)

    I CLEARLY said that Mariah is NOT their member in my opinion but there’s a whole bunch of people who actually believe it. So there was not even an argument to attack.

    Something funny…How come the same institution that supports Mariah, suddenly supports an Illuminati member ?
    xD And on the next years they award Mariah again and then Celine again. Ha ha ha Sorry, I can’t take this crap seriously. Besides, why do Mariah and Celine love and respect each other ?

    – Mariah sent Celine flowers when her dad passed away.

    – Celine gave Mariah tips to help her with her pregnancy.

    Did Mariah gave birth to the Satan because she followed

    some advices from the Illuminati Celine ? xD

    I HONESTLY tell you that I AM LAUGHING writing all these!

    —————–>

    All your posts are OUT OF TOPIC. I won’t post here what
    OTHERS seem to believe or their arguments. You have to
    do it yourself since you are the one to care to prove
    to the world how Mariah is a victim etc. I showed you
    WHERE people talk crap about Mariah. Good luck again…

    C Ya !

  46. Lucky Luke says:

    @ POST 41

    You dared to write in capitals that I Fail ? Poor you…

    Take it :

    ”The new Britney Britney’s transformation is complete in yet another video exploiting the “good girl
    gone bad through mind control” theme – a theme that all female pop stars seemingly have to go through.
    The ritualistic metamorphosis from pure to promiscuous as portrayed by other stars including Rihanna (Umbrella), Lady Gaga (Bad Romance), Christina Aguilera (Not Myself Tonight), Mariah Carey (It’s Like That) and many others has taken place once more.
    Young viewers witness yet another ritual that is subliminally concealed in symbols and color codes.”

    Posted 4 months ago 15 notes • .”

    The Link :

    mediaexposed.tumblr.com/post/5078791166/britney-spears-hold-it-against-me-mk-ultra-multiple

    And this is from a person who OBVIOUSLY bashes the
    Illuminati in general, so he can’t be credited as a Mariah hater in specific.

    Mariah’s name IS mentioned. Deal with it.

    I repeat I DON’T BELIEVE IT.

    So, who FAILS now ? Oh oh, Bye !

  47. tane says:

    What is an illumination? lol I’ve never heard of it before.

    Trish do you have a link in English? the first link u put up about that illumantive is in Spanish, french?

  48. Lucky Luke says:

    @ tane

    Illuminati can’t apply to artists who love God and

    praise him, sing about love, care about other human

    beings, release Christmas albums and don’t provoke in

    any way !

    —> This is why Celine and Mariah are not their members.

    Both married in a CHURCH.

    This word can apply to artists who don’t believe in God,

    who sing about suggestive themes such as drugs, sex,

    alcohol, crimes etc etc or lead an immoral life.

    ——> Jay Z , Rihanna, Snoop Dog, etc

    This is all you have to know. TRISH will credit as an

    Illuminati anyone except Mariah, using random dumb

    highly biased links who contain PERSONAL THOUGHTS. The

    irony is that Mariah’s name IS mentioned on most of

    these crap blogs or crappy videos, (Check my earlier

    comments) so all these are truly unsupported and

    dumped.

    People might not like their music, or attitude, or voices

    but nobody can deny Celine and Mariah are good, polite

    human beings. I take personal offense to read anything

    different. Besides, they love and respect each other

    very much.

  49. Robert says:

    Trish you are right,Celine Dion and Madonna are both Illuminati,the documents exists.
    Mariah Carey is not Illuminati,that’s why she left Mottola and Sony.That also why WMA and medias replaced her suddenly by Celine,then Madonna.
    Mariah is the real best selling female artist of all times.
    Congrats TRISH,good job !

  50. MOFF says:

    The whole debate is getting kind of funny now ..
    TRISH changed the main topic of this debate when she mentioned the Illuminati here.
    All this rolled everything up.

    Actually, if you want to talk / discuss about anything you always can mention the Illuminatis!

    What do they have got to do with we´re talking about etc.

    As WE DON’T CLEARLY KNOW whether Madonna, Celine or Mariah are part of this sect, we must stop talking about that because everything said is just a supposition.

    We can have opinions, we can argue with links, but we do not know facts.

    !!!

    We don’t know anything about this !

    Actually we all can leave the debate because we don’t know:

    – if Madonna, Celine, Mariah are part of the Illuminati or not.

    – why Jackson died

    – they received different awards

    – how much albums and singles have sold because MAYBE the were influenced by the Illuminati

    And so on ….

    PS

    “Robert” = Trish. Same writing style, same reasons.

  51. The Reason says:

    No documents exist. Just some blogs or you tube videos

    that are fan made and have the same value as anyone’s

    comments. There are not scientists or experts to talk

    specifically about Illuminati. It doesn’t require any

    specific knowledge.

    Saying an artist who sings about God, love, Christmas &

    leads a moral life based on Christianism is part of the

    Illuminati proves the Inability to articulate and make

    sense once again.

    Nobody here said Mariah is part of the Illuminati. Sorry.

    LOL @ Carla and Robert nicknames xD

    Like having some random support by strangers gives

    value or credibility to these silly biased opinions.

    *Yawn*

  52. TRISH says:

    1-I addressed my post to Moff ,then you inserted yourself into the debate
    2-You didn’t find out any argument to refute my claims,excepts for the meaningless comments from YouTube posters ??!
    3-Moff,you’d better shut the fu** up, coward ! You prove that you are nothing at all.You are not able to take part in any debate.You awaited that Lucky Luke comes to help you,then you try to say something banal and senseless,poor you. Moff = Delusional ,clueless and silly a-hole.
    4-Moff , Madonna is the without any doubt the queen of Illuminati and everything proves that.Which star would be a member of Illuminati if Madonna wouldn’t ? Sorry but she is.
    Why don’t you brought nothing at all to deny my claims ? The documents that exists on Illuminati are made by experts and scientists,not by simple fans.fans just share them on YouTube.Do the fans made the music videos of stars they show on YouTube ? No,they just share them.It’s the same for these Illuminati documents.they wouldn’t have enough knowledge to made them themselves.You imply that they are doubtful, Anyway,they are much more reliable than the links you usually post about sales ,vocal range,and accomplishments.
    FLUSHED !
    5-“ Trish would admit that every artists are part of Illuminati except for Mariah “ ,is this me that had created these links and sources exposing Celine as an Illuminati member ? Say that to the ones that have made them.
    6-Is this my fault that you couldn’t find any link ,any picture,any document ,any article referring to Mariah as an Illuminati member ? They instead claim that she’s an anti-Illuminati star ?
    Oh ,you tried hard to find link or sources to put Mariah in the same category than Celine and Madonna,but you failed.So,you tried to forge your own accusations against her by collecting meaningless things on It’s Like That video,etc…
    Singing about love,Christmas,etc… doesn’t mean nothing.She sing songs created by other persons .Celine always did and do anything that Mottola and Sony want to,nothing to compare with Mariah Carey that was always in rebellion against Mottola and Sony team although she married Mottola.Mariah refused so sell her soul to Satan as Celine did,just admit it.Celine is a Pop ballad performer,that’s why main of her songs talk about love.She couldn’t have the same Lyrics than,Madonna, Rihanna ,Lady Gaga,or Snoop Dogg, etc. This is banal to say that.
    Rihanna,Madonna,etc… also have songs that talk about love ,Christmas,etc…But that doesn’t mean they are not Illuminati.
    You said “I CLEARLY said that Mariah is NOT their member in my opinion but there’s a whole bunch of people who actually believe it. So there was not even an argument to attack.”
    This is so silly to say that.Lucky Luke,this is not you That say Mariah is anti-Illuminati,but facts.If you could find proofs to insert Mariah into Illuminati sect,you would do it ! You just can’t find argument ! Laughable ! You LIED ,not many people believes Mariah is Illuminati.Only some haters feigning to believe it just to diss Mariah.
    FAIL.

  53. TRISH says:

    Yes,the same institution that Awarded Mariah as best selling female artist of all times,did that because she deserved it.They awarded Mariah not by favor, as Mariah holds the title since 1998 and is recognized worldwide as the unreachable best selling artist OVERALL at the 1990’s.Celine was far behind Mariah in facts. But,since Mariah rebelled against Mottola and Sony team and leaved the Columbia Label,Sony Label said to institutions and medias that Celine’s sales surpassed Mariah’s.In facts,Mariah never really dethroned by Celine and always stayed the best selling female artist of all time.
    By the way,don’t try to put Mariah into this.Nobody and no facts accused Mariah as Illuminati, but Celine and Madonna.So when you try to clear Celine,don’t even mention Mariah.
    About love songs and Christmas songs.Justin Bieber is working about a Christmas album although he’s clearly an Illuminati superstar.Rihanna and many other Illuminati artists also do Christmas songs too,not just Celine.I love Celine and her music,but I recognize she’s Illuminati because facts show it.You can’t change it Lucky Luke,sorry.
    Mariah’s It’s Like That has nothing to do with Illuminati .You fail ! The fact that Mariah’s name is mentioned in a Illuminati doesn’t mean that she could be.What could mean is what bad is discover about Mariah on that document
    Fail
    Whatever you say Celine Dion and Madonna are both Illuminati while Mariah Carey is the best selling female artist of all times !

  54. TRISH says:

    youtube.com/watch?v=JGW4nXE9LrEhttp

    youtube.com/watch?v=0PLhBECS7oA&feature=related

    Tane, check these links:

    youtube.com/watch?v=-iDq0Tdja4A&feature=relate

    youtube.com/watch?v=UdbVpeQr8uY&feature=related

    youtube.com/watch?v=PBKDZhu-EZw&feature=rellist&playnext=1&list=PLC8BFB59C821A9A85

    You’ll find many others about Illuminati question

  55. The Reason says:

    @ TRISH

    What arguments dear ? The links you post are blogs or

    forums or articles that contain people’s opinions, so

    they have the same value as you tube comments. Anyone

    could make a blog talking about what they think an

    Illuminati is. Do you think it takes scientific skills

    and knowledge to create an article ? Ha ha ha !

    You are so funny ! I am sorry dear, the fact that all

    sources and media claim Madonna and Celine as better

    sellers than Mariah is FAR from being a PROOF that Mariah

    is the victim ! Sorry, you have to try again, as this

    & some crap random links are the only things you use.

    FAIL.

    You repeated many times Celine is part of them, so I

    rightfully addressed my comment to you, since you use

    what others have posted in their respective sites.

    ”Is this my fault that you couldn’t find any link ,any picture,any document , any article referring to Mariah as an Illuminati member ? They instead claim that she’s an anti-Illuminati star ?”

    Sorry again. Check post 46. It says otherwise. Moreover,

    I don’t HAVE to search further for that crap, since I

    don’t believe Mariah would be their member. See ?

    ”also have songs that talk about love ,Christmas,etc…But that doesn’t mean they are not Illuminati”

    LMAO ! She sold her soul to the devil and she sings

    songs praising God, love and motherhood ? Ha ha ha ha ha

    What a contradiction..!

    Being a singer who doesn’t write her stuff is FAR away

    from crediting someone as Illuminati. FAIL

    You seem to forget that singers is not only judged by

    their career ! What about personal life ? Why Celine

    chooses to be a Christian in real life ? Why did she

    marry in a Church ? Why was she raised as a Roman

    Catholic ? Why she had Catholic baptism for her

    children ? Do you know Roman Catholic Church, is the

    world’s LARGEST CHRISTIAN church ? On top of these, why

    does she also LEAD a Christian life ? Donating money to

    the poor or helping others around her !

    If that’s the definition of being Illuminati, then I

    guess Illuminati must be great people ! Ha ha ha !

    ”.If you could find proofs to insert Mariah into Illuminati sect,you would do it !”

    LMAO ! Sorry, but I could care less about it. You can’t

    even accept how I love Mariah very much to do anything

    against her. Don’t imagine things dear. Moreover, what

    proof would be so strong and valid to make me believe

    that the woman who sang Vision Of Love, Make It Happen

    and Fly Like A Bird (Among others) would be part of

    the Illuminati ? I am not a sheep to believe crap.

    ”Mariah’s It’s Like That has nothing to do with Illuminati .You fail ! The fact that Mariah’s name is mentioned in a Illuminati doesn’t mean that she could be.What could mean is what bad is discover about Mariah on that document
    Fail”

    IQ stands at 30 the most…when did I say she is part of

    them ? Who FAILS now ? You just write like a 12 year old

    ”Mariah’s it’s like that has nothing to do with

    Illuminati” Oh really ? You are such a basic bitch.

    Same way I can say ”Celine’s a new day has come has

    nothing to do with Illuminati” ! Is this a debate ?

    Seriously ? Let me laugh again.

    There was NOT an argument I made about Mariah’s video.

    All I wanted to PROVE was that there are people talking

    sh** about Mariah. I didn’t mean to prove she is part

    of the Illuminati, using these crap links. Can you

    get the BIG difference there is ? I guess not, because

    if you were in place to COMPREHEND the difference you

    wouldn’t come back here like a pressed idiot to defend

    Mariah over a link I didn’t create and I didn’t support.

    And if you ask WHY I brought this link the answer is

    simple. You said you wanna talk about the Illuminati and

    I showed you WHERE people talk crap ! I was NOT making

    any argument against Mariah ! Wake up and realize it !

    LEARN how to read, MAKE some life progress and THEN

    come here to debate intellectually superior people.

    Bye..!

  56. The Reason says:

    @ POST 52

    ”You LIED ,not many people believes Mariah is Illuminati.”

    —->

    1) answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110114172218AARMG1p

    2) abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread679839/pg1

    3) godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message797711/pg1

    4) mediaexposed.tumblr.com/post/5078791166/britney-spears-hold-it-against-me-mk-ultra-multiple

    5) youtube.com/watch?v=lbsIFaDHQYE

    6) youtube.com/watch?v=MUgXgeZBs28

    Sorry, I don’t lie. I have told you a thousand times that

    I don’t like lies, so I simply speak the truth. Sorry…

    It is obvious there are many idiots who believe crap

    about Mariah and Celine.

  57. The Reason says:

    Celine has 3 albums about Christmas. How many Christmas

    albums do Rihanna, Jay-Z, Snoop Dog, Gaga own ? How

    many money have they donated to the ones in need ? Are

    they all lead a Christian life ? How many songs have

    they sang or created praising God ? What part of their

    discography is associated to religion, God, prayers,

    motherhood, racism, womanhood and spirituality ? Oops !

  58. tane says:

    Studio albums:
    1) Mariah Carey – 15m WW
    2) Emotions – 9m WW
    3) Music Box – 32m WW
    4) Daydream – 25m WW
    5) Butterfly – 15.5m WW
    6) Rainbow – 10m WW
    7) Charmbracelet – 4.5 m WW
    8) The Emancipation of Mimi – 10m WW
    9) E=mc – 3 m WW
    Live albums:
    1) MTV Unplugged – 10m
    Remix albums:
    1) The Remixes – 0.5m WW
    Holiday albums:
    1) Merry Christmas – 12m WW

    Soundtrack albums:
    1) Glitter – 3.5m WW
    Compilation albums:
    1)#1’s – 17m WW
    2) Greatest Hits – 4m WW
    Total studio albums released: 9 albums
    Total albums sales: 180m WW (Minimum albums had sold Worldwide)
    Total singles sales: 60m WW (Minimum singles had sold Worldwide)
    Total Videos/DVDs sales: 13m WW (Minimum Videos/DVDs had sold Worldwide)
    Total records: 230m records WW (Minimum records had sold Worldwide)

    this list is as close to correct as possible, does anyone here disagree? lol i hope not’/

  59. tane says:

    I’m not a fan of Madonna at all! but here’s a list equally 200 million albums.

    Studio albums:
    1) Madonna – 8m WW
    2) Like a Virgin – 21m WW
    3) True Blue – 31m WW
    4) Like a Prayer – 11m WW
    5) Erotica – 6 m WW
    6) Bedtime Stories – 9 m WW
    7) Ray of Light – 15m WW
    8) Music – 10m WW
    9) American Life – 5 m WW
    10) Confessions on a Dance Floor – 8m WW
    11) Hard Candy – 4m WW
    Compilations albums:
    1) The Immaculate Collection – 26 m WW
    2) Something to Remember – 9 m WW
    3) GHV2 – 8 m WW
    Remix albums:
    1) You can Dance – 8 m WW
    2) Remixed & Revisited – 1.5 m WW
    Live albums:
    1) I’m Going to Tell You a Secret – 2.5 WW
    2) The Confessions Tour – 1.5 m WW
    Soundtracks:
    1) Who’s That Girl – 6 m WW
    2) I’m Breathless – 7 m WW
    3) Evita – 11 m WW
    Other albums total sales: 5m WW

  60. tane says:

    I love you MIMI!

  61. The Reason says:

    @ tane I think you made a typing mistake to

    Madonna’s ”True Blue” album. It is not 31m, it is 21m.

    The rest are pretty close to the truth. Bravo ! You

    are a great fan !

    @ MOFF

    Do you want to see something REALLY funny ? xD And I

    mean FUNNY ! …

  62. TRISH says:

    1-I addressed my post to Moff ,then you inserted yourself into the debate
    2-You didn’t find out any argument to refute my claims,excepts for the meaningless comments from YouTube posters ??!
    3-Moff,you’d better shut the fu** up, coward ! You prove that you are nothing at all.You are not able to take part in any debate.You awaited that Lucky Luke comes to help you,then you try to say something banal and senseless,poor you. Moff = Delusional ,clueless and silly a-hole.
    4-Moff , Madonna is the without any doubt the queen of Illuminati and everything proves that.Which star would be a member of Illuminati if Madonna wouldn’t ? Sorry but she is.
    Why don’t you brought nothing at all to deny my claims ? The documents that exists on Illuminati are made by experts and scientists,not by simple fans.fans just share them on YouTube.Do the fans made the music videos of stars they show on YouTube ? No,they just share them.It’s the same for these Illuminati documents.they wouldn’t have enough knowledge to made them themselves.You imply that they are doubtful, Anyway,they are much more reliable than the links you usually post about sales ,vocal range,and accomplishments.
    FLUSHED !
    5-“ Trish would admit that every artists are part of Illuminati except for Mariah “ ,is this me that had created these links and sources exposing Celine as an Illuminati member ? Say that to the ones that have made them.
    6-Is this my fault that you couldn’t find any link ,any picture,any document ,any article referring to Mariah as an Illuminati member ? They instead claim that she’s an anti-Illuminati star ?
    Oh ,you tried hard to find link or sources to put Mariah in the same category than Celine and Madonna,but you failed.So,you tried to forge your own accusations against her by collecting meaningless things on It’s Like That video,etc…
    Singing about love,Christmas,etc… doesn’t mean nothing.She sing songs created by other persons .Celine always did and do anything that Mottola and Sony want to,nothing to compare with Mariah Carey that was always in rebellion against Mottola and Sony team although she married Mottola.Mariah refused so sell her soul to Satan as Celine did,just admit it.Celine is a Pop ballad performer,that’s why main of her songs talk about love.She couldn’t have the same Lyrics than,Madonna, Rihanna ,Lady Gaga,or Snoop Dogg, etc. This is banal to say that.
    Rihanna,Madonna,etc… also have songs that talk about love ,Christmas,etc…But that doesn’t mean they are not Illuminati.
    You said “I CLEARLY said that Mariah is NOT their member in my opinion but there’s a whole bunch of people who actually believe it. So there was not even an argument to attack.”
    This is so silly to say that.Lucky Luke,this is not you That say Mariah is anti-Illuminati,but facts.If you could find proofs to insert Mariah into Illuminati sect,you would do it ! You just can’t find argument ! Laughable ! You LIED ,not many people believes Mariah is Illuminati.Only some haters feigning to believe it just to diss Mariah.
    FAIL.

    Yes,the same institution that Awarded Mariah as best selling female artist of all times,did that because she deserved it.They awarded Mariah not by favor, as Mariah holds the title since 1998 and is recognized worldwide as the unreachable best selling artist OVERALL at the 1990’s.Celine was far behind Mariah in facts. But,since Mariah rebelled against Mottola and Sony team and leaved the Columbia Label,Sony Label said to institutions and medias that Celine’s sales surpassed Mariah’s.In facts,Mariah never really dethroned by Celine and always stayed the best selling female artist of all time.
    By the way,don’t try to put Mariah into this.Nobody and no facts accused Mariah as Illuminati, but Celine and Madonna.So when you try to clear Celine,don’t even mention Mariah.
    About love songs and Christmas songs.Justin Bieber is working about a Christmas album although he’s clearly an Illuminati superstar.Rihanna and many other Illuminati artists also do Christmas songs too,not just Celine.I love Celine and her music,but I recognize she’s Illuminati because facts show it.You can’t change it Lucky Luke,sorry.

    Mariah’s It’s Like That has nothing to do with Illuminati .You fail ! The fact that Mariah’s name is mentioned in a Illuminati doesn’t mean that she could be.What could mean is what bad is discover about Mariah on that document

    Madonna is a great philanthropist and had gave millions to charity in the world.A large part of Lady Gaga’s Monster Ball tour profits were given to charity.Rihanna has sing for needing people, Jay-Z has take part into a charity movement,etc…So what ? The are all Illuminati stars.
    Fail
    What is the difference if someone has sing 1 or 2 or 3 Christmas songs,to someone having sing 1 or 3 entire Christmas albums ? Not the number matters.

    If they sing one 1 Christmas song,they could sing 50 ones as well.

    FAILED

    Celine Dion and Madonna are both Illuminati and you can nothing for that, while Mariah Carey is the best selling female artist of all time !

  63. The Reason says:

    Wow ! The stupidity is ranging on… :O

    #LOL @ copy pasting your previous FLOP comments.

    & Sorry, none of these artists (Gaga, Jay Z, Snoop Dog

    etc) ever sang about Christmas, or praised God in their

    songs or did anything close to Christinism and

    spirituality. Celine has. Oops !

    Take your bitterness about Mariah’s declined popularity

    out of here.

    Bye psychpath.

  64. MOFF says:

    @the reason: you wanted to tell me something funny?
    OK :D I am ready !

  65. The Reason says:

    Yes MOFF ! The other day I came across a you tube

    account. The name of the account is

    daviddaviddaviddaful ! Does the writing style and crap

    non sense remind you of someone in specific ? ? ?

    Here are links of videos where the user posted comments

    the past TWO days or so…

    1) youtube.com/watch?v=SHZnZGUHigU

    2) youtube.com/watch?v=M64Hw-EcPF8

    3) youtube.com/watch?v=8O1siM3Nm-k

    4) youtube.com/watch?v=DZFfeax38b8

    5) youtube.com/watch?v=JupyvN64g-o

    6) youtube.com/watch?v=U13SBJCltdM

    7) youtube.com/watch?v=r0zxImnPGtE&feature=related

    8) youtube.com/watch?v=q8-DGZEjQqk

    LMAO… This is the definition of trolling ! Poor Celine

    and Madonna..!

    Sickness and pure lunacy at their best form… Oops !

    #LMAO

  66. TRISH says:

    @Lucky Luke,who the fu** do you think you are ? Are you the administrator of YouTube ? What do you found as funny on my YouTube comments ?Why do you come here to say it to Moff? Do Moff will banish me?
    Do you think that YouTube belongs to you ?
    Did I addressed any post to you ? Now,you spy on me? Who are you ? Do you want to be always on my way ?
    Do you think that your a-hole blah blah blah… could nothing on the facts that Celine is not more than a talentless ugly Illuminati puppet ?
    That Madonna is the queen of bitches and people just confounded she has sold her ass better than her music ?
    Who are you to dare said that Illuminati documents are fans made? You said that just because also you are Illuminati.
    Do you think that your delusional posts can change the fact that Mariah Carey is the best selling female artist of all time ?
    Keep dreaming dear,your efforts + your Illuminati facts are not enough.
    Your little break is over now,then you just come back fighting with me ?
    You Fail Lucky Luke,try again.

  67. TRISH says:

    If you think that you help Celine by trying to hide the fact that she sell out her soul to Satan.You just gonna burn with her in hell after the judgement day.
    Same goes for Moff,he thinks that his clumsy posts could save Madonna.Her sully and spoil gonna burn in hell with yours Moff,sorry but you deserve it.
    Burn in hell devilish liars !

    Bye and Kisses !

  68. The Reason says:

    LMAO ! Annoying pest. MOFF will banish you ? No, MOFF

    can’t do what your mother should have done years ago.

    Your attitude and activity speak for yourself, delusional

    psychotic bitch ! You are the worst piece of crap I ever

    met, I never came to anything close in my real life.

    Everything you post is invalid. You can’t speak properly

    , can’t make sense and can’t articulate. 0 life progress.

  69. The Reason says:

    How come the popdirt administrator allows to that sick

    cow to post things like ”Satan” and phrases like

    ”burn in hell” and doesn’t include the wish I sent

    to this animal ? :)

  70. TRISH says:

    Do Moff marry you? Why do you insult me when I address a post to Moff? Do you want to prove him that you are a great wife who can protect him?
    This is so WEIRD !

  71. TRISH says:

    This debate is talking about Madonna and Mariah Carey,not about Moff.If you don’t have no more Illuminati arguments to claim here,just shut your slut mouth Lucky Luke and let Moff reply to my posts by his own,then prove that he can something by his own.Not just repeat what you already said.

  72. TRISH says:

    Yes,everything I post is invalid since they all disagree with any Illuminati argument that you could bring to justify your crap lies.

  73. The Reason says:

    POST 66 and 67 is about me so you got your reply.

    Do you suffer from selective amnesia too ? Like your

    natural stupidity and spiteful comments were not enough.

    The only WEIRD is your inability to think and articulate.

    The only WEIRD is your obsession about Madonna and Celine

    proved by your you tube activity, psycho pressed cow.

    There are no arguments either. Opinions are like

    a-holes : Everyone’s got one. If Celine loves devil,

    let it be, she’s free to do so. <3 Boo boo !!!

    Deal psychopath.

  74. TheSubtleInvitation says:

    Celine is NOT in the Illuminati. People in the Illuminati are topping the charts and are just too famous for words, whereas Celine hasn’t had a hit in about 10 years. Thank you, now sit down.

  75. TRISH says:

    @ Lucky Luke . You said “How come the popdirt administrator allows to that sick
    cow to post things like ”Satan” and phrases like
    ”burn in hell” and doesn’t include the wish I sent
    to this animal ?”
    The answer is so simple,this is because the Popdirt administrator is not an Illuminati supporter like you are !

  76. The Reason says:

    @ POST 74

    Another good argument proving how dumb this girl is.

    She won’t sit down, cause stupid people don’t know when

    to stop. Oh oh.

    @ POST 75

    *yawn*

    Get a brain you devil..! You are the dumbest

    piece of sh** I ever encountered. A pathetic excuse for

    a human being, the definition of embarrassment.

    Go run on a freeway, before the Illuminati find you.

    Crazy psychopath.. Boo boo !

  77. TRISH says:

    @ The Reason ( or rather the craziness ) : Wow ! calm down ! Celine Dion is into Illuminati sect and you can nothing for that.There is too many proofs supporting that .She already sell her soul to the devil and you won’t change that ,sorry.You just ruin your health for nothing by getting so angry against me !

    Sorry I won’t do what you tell me to do cause I’m not Illuminati unlike Celine Dion .Calm down Lucky, Not good for your health !You’ll have a heart attack otherwise ! LOL

  78. TRISH says:

    I guess it would be pretty dangerous for me meeting this crazy guy or even being in the same area than than him .He’s clearly a crazy fanatic and surely could kill for his idol.

    I know it pains you to see your idol at this satanic secret sect.I was also disappointed when I discovered that Celine was in Illuminati, but what can I do ? I can just accept the fact.

  79. The Reason says:

    As the insect said (actually she didn’t say it, she

    just copy pasted a link she found and babbled other

    people’s opinions – I bet she can barely comprehend

    the English of that specific article LMAO) Celine’s

    video ”A New Day Has Come” is darkish because of the

    Lucifer’s absence. Same way Mariah’s ”Can’t Take That

    Away From Me” video starts darkish. Both songs talk

    about the LIGHT !

    ”I see a light in the sky” : Celine predicts the

    devil will reign.

    ”There’s a light in me” : Mariah loves the devil and

    has put him in her heart. It is so obvious and easy..!

    Mariah was married to an Illuminati member, had sex with

    him for years, then dumped him and started

    collaborating with devilish rappers. Jay Z, Busta R. ,

    Snoop Dogg are all Illuminati members and Mariah asked

    them to get into her songs. On top of that Mariah has

    influenced many Illuminati members such as Rihanna,

    Beyonce and Timberlake to mention a few. She also used

    the world devil in her song ”you’re so cold” while

    declaring her love for that person …

    ”You’re like the devil in disguise…your kiss is

    like FIRE” Oh oh.

    On top of all these, let’s not forget the Illuminati

    symbol in her Grammy performance of ”If it’s over”.

    Here :

    youtube.com/watch?v=uEkBcU7YZvg

    Look at 0.24 and forwards ! Not only the RED pyramid is

    visible but also the BLACK circle of the Illuminati.

    It is not by chance she got 2 awards she didn’t deserve

    in 2000 and 2003 while Madonna was million years ahead

    of her in sales and popularity. Moreover, she really

    tried to distance herself in the 2000-2002 era and this

    is while she flopped so hard. But she was not stupid.

    She knew what to do so she contacted the Illuminati

    singer Busta R. to feature her in one devilish song

    about SEX and she managed to get on top of the charts.

    The rest are really simple. As I have clearly proved

    on her next single ”It’s like that” she used to

    where a White dress and then changed to a BLACK one and

    BAMB her songs became successful again and made a

    successful album..! It is not by chance the devilish

    old man notices Mariah ONLY when she is changed into

    BLACK. On her next video ”We belong together” she

    doesn’t even go to the church ! She avoids it as she

    would probably melt away. Another hit song for Mimi.

    Let’s not neglect that Mariah’s songs ”It’s like that”

    contains lyrics SHE wrote about DRUGS, ALCOHOL and SEX

    that is really devilish and suggestive. On the SAME

    album that gave her success she also mentions ORAL SEX

    in the song ”One and Only” ! Moreover, Mariah has

    written more songs about Illuminati members !

    ”Clown” is dedicated to Eminem. Like ”Obsessed”

    (Again she mentions drugs)

    ”Side Effects” is dedicated to T.Mottola and so on.

    Mariah was never a rebel until 1997. Till then she only

    did what her husband wanted. It is not by chance she

    felt so sad and she talked with disappointment about

    many of her songs. Mariah was honest back in late 80s,

    she had recorded songs she liked but she was forced not

    to sing them, because Tommy wanted another direction

    for Mimi. So she followed the ultimate devil worshiper.

    Take note to these facts : Mariah was an Illuminati

    member before she married Nick Cannon in a church !

    BEFORE the marriage she scored a #1 in Us and had

    huge sales in the Us market – biggest of her career,

    cause she obviously had the Illuminati support.

    AFTER the marriage (she turned into God again) she

    FLOPPED.

    Let’s remember (AFTER the marriage) :

    Bye Bye FLOP

    I’ll Be Loving You Long Time FLOP

    I Stay In Love FLOP

    Right To Dream FLOP

    Obsessed SUCCESS cause she talked about a devil soldier.

    Hateu FLOP

    Angels Cry FLOP

    Up out my face FLOP

    O Santa FLOP #100

    Merry Christmas To You 800k worldwide – her lowest seller

    since she praised God. See ? This is the price she paid

    for leaving the Illuminati.

    I am so disappointed to discover Mariah sold her soul

    to the devil, but what can I do ? I just accept the fact.

    Now she loves God again, this is why she is such a flop.

    No tours, no DVD sales, barely 5m copies with 5 projects

    and critics pan her all the time. But what can I do ?

    I love her anyway ! We can’t do anything to get her out

    of there, so let’s accept the fact about this ex devil

    supporter who now flops at all aspects. I only hope

    God… or the devil gives her back her voice. Cause she

    really sucks. But I love her anyway and won’t try to

    change all these established facts. TOO MUCH PROOF

    supporting this..!

    See TRASH ? ANYONE can do what you did. Difference is

    I brought TRIPLE amount of points. Boo boo !!!

    ”I guess it would be pretty dangerous for me meeting this crazy guy or even being in the same area than than him”

    Crazy fat cow, you were the one to post you wanted to

    beat me 3 months ago. Selective amnesia again ?

    ”He’s clearly a crazy fanatic”

    Bitch, I will be a crazy fanatic once I troll videos

    on you tube without even making sense.

  80. The Reason says:

    POST 79 explains why her fan base always talks about the

    ”New Mimi” and the ”Old Mimi”. Now that I remember

    it clearly, Mariah proved CLEARLY to the world that she

    has an EVIL ALTER EGO !

    Know what an alter ego is ? Anyone can see it in her

    videos : ”Heartbreaker” (where she featured an

    Illuminati) and ”Boy (I Need You)” !

    It means she has an evil, mean and SPITEFUL side..! :/

    Of course the arguments about songs praising God and

    Christmas don’t count AT ALL, as she was told to do these

    songs – probably forced and beaten – in order to CREATE

    a FAKE image that would apply to Christians. This is so

    fake and unoriginal, but like in Celine’s case one thing

    is valid : ”Singing about Christmas doesn’t mean

    anything” This quote was made by TRASH before, so it

    explains everything. Now don’t be mad going to you tube

    videos bashing Celine and Madonna cause you only ruin

    your health. :)

    Bye pest ! <3

  81. Jenaya says:

    Madonna Total Albums (Including Soundtracks and compilations) – 205M

    Celine – 180M

    Mariah – 155M

    What part about This Do Lambs NOT Get? Madonna and Celine her in sales and did it along time ago. This is NOT 2001 Anymore.

    That is all :)

  82. Jenaya says:

    *Madonna and Celine surpassed Her

  83. The Reason says:

    @ Jenaya

    Dear, the word ”Lambs” says it all. What are lambs ?

    Animals. Can animals think and articulate ? No.

    There you go. Despite that many Mimi fans with brains

    put her into right place in all her fan sites, pages and

    forums. Check MariahCarey.com or Mariah Journal or

    HeroesofMariah.

    If your post is about THE ANIMAL of this debate, I have

    to tell you she is mental case. She is here for almost

    2 years posting her unsupported crap and also created

    an account on you tube to attack Celine and Madonna. Of

    course you see why she attacks only these two artists.

    #Pressed

    What else can I say ? There is nothing worse than

    a dumb lunatic who insists… :)

  84. Jenaya says:

    @ The Reason

    What can you do? Take all the Lambs to the Aviator and have them chopped up. That will do :)

  85. The Reason says:

    Don’t get me into thoughts…LOL !

    Just wait till the weirdo replies. You will face lunacy

    and unsupported comments at the purest form.

    PS : Check POST 65 exposing her retarded obsessed ass. xD

  86. Jenaya says:

    LOL! She probably thinks Mariah Sung Live on her ABC Special last year. xD

  87. Angela says:

    The Reason is right. Mariah = Illuminati Flopped Puppet.
    Voice,Body,Career are all DEAD AND GONE.

  88. The Reason says:

    If TRISH takes back what she said about Celine, I will

    take back what I said about Mimi. If not, I will not stop

    supporting POSTS 79 & 80.

  89. TRISH says:

    Lucky Luke become more and more devilish because of Illuminati that makes him so rebel against obvious facts. This debate becomes a den of Illuminati fanatics that let their satanic delirium diarrhea against Mariah.

    Unlucky Luke,Where is your so-called wisdom ? How insulting can you use against me soon? Your look so pitiful.

    Now your true face is revealed as the true devil face of Celine and Madonna are revealed by Illuminati denouncers…LMOA !
    What else,You and your Illuminati friends can try for soil Mariah’s reputation?
    If this because of Mariah Carey,that Celine sell out her soul to Satan and will burn in hell ? No,no.

    Unfortunately,you can do nothing to save the soul of Celine and Madonna.Your ridiculous accusations against are not BASED,sorry.Mariah will be in heaven while Celene and Madonna’s asses will burn in hell.Lol
    Your personal thoughts can’t change that,sorry.
    Fail, try again.

  90. TRISH says:

    A New Day Has Come is a Illuminati song,you can nothing on that Lucky Luke,experts explain that.Any song that talk about ” New age “, ” New order ” , ” New day “,etc. is a pure Illuminati message.The video shows Celine in the sky on dark clouds,then comes the light and everything becomes illuminate,PURE ILLUMINATI MESSAGE.

    Mariah’s can’t take that away is an anti-Illuminati song.She clearly said they try to put her down.Mariah talk about the light inside of her,not about the light that illuminates the world.BIG DIFFERENCE !

    “They can say,
    Anything they want to say,
    Try to bring me down,
    But I will not allow anyone to succeed hanging clouds over me,
    And they can try
    How to make me feel that I,
    Don’t matter at all,
    But I refuse to falter in what I believe or loose faith in my dreams

    ‘Cause there’s,
    There’s a light in me,
    That shines brightly,
    They can try,
    But they can’t take that away from me
    From me

    No no no

    Oh they,
    They can do
    Anything they want to you,
    If you let them in,
    But they won’t ever win,
    If you cling to you pride, and just push them aside,
    See I,
    I have learned,
    There’s an inner peace I own,
    Something in my soul that they can not possess
    So I won’t be afraid and the darkness will fade

    ‘Cause there’s,
    There’s light in me me,
    That shines brightly, yes
    They can try,
    But they can’t take that away from me

    No oh oh,
    They can’t take this
    Precious love I’ll always have inside me,
    Certainly the Lord will guide me where I need to go

    Woah, woah
    They can say
    Anything they want to say,
    Try to bring me down,
    But I won’t face the ground,
    I will rise steadily sailing out of their reach,
    Although they do try,
    How to make me feel that I,
    Don’t matter at all,
    But I refuse to fall,
    Tell me what I believe or loose faith in my dreams,
    ‘Cause there’s a light in me,
    That shines brightly yes

    Unlike Celine,Mariah refused to fall in Illuminati,that’s why Mottola and Sony tried to decrease her.This is so clear !
    This song is enough to explain everything I claimed here. Thank you Lucky Luke to remind me this song.

  91. TRISH says:

    Everyone can use words like devil,satan,light,etc… people use them since always.
    But terms as ” new age, new day, new order,etc… mean illuminati.

    Yes,Mariah married to Mottola who is an illuminati member,but she left him when she became aware of this,she ran the risk of losing her career.
    In the song ” Through The Rain ” Mariah says: ”
    I can make it through the rain,I can stand up once again on my own and I know that I’m strong enough to mend ! ”
    In 2005,Mariah really proved to the world that she’s able to stand up by her own !
    Mariah was always in rebellion against illuminati.
    About Celine,can you tell me what she already did ?
    Celine still marry a freemason and an illuminati member ( Rene Angelil ). The illuminati doesn’t give super power to its addicts,but success,money and glory.
    Celine Dion is stay in the illuminati sect although so many years of successes.She continue to please Mottola and Sony team.

  92. TRISH says:

    Mariah was so young at her debut,she didn’t know that Mottola belonged to a satanic cult.All that she did at those times was creating very good songs and showing her unreachable voice.
    Even if the background the stage where she performed at the Grammy Awards of 1992 had some Illuminati symbol,she didn’t the main responsible of it.Besides,she even didn’t win any Grammy at this year.
    Mariah had a long fight with Mottola during the 1990’s,then left him,then the label he manage.This is the most important now.
    Besides,trying to show that Mariah belonged to Illuminati on the past mean nothing.What is matter is that you hopelessly try hard to clear Celine Dion in this sect while she stay an active Illuminati superstar.

    Mariah deserves every awards that she won all along her career.Don’t counfond her with Celine Dion that won many awards that she doesn’t deserve at all !
    About Madonna,Aretha Franklin, Barbra Streisand,etc… have many years of career and albums released over Madonna,but,nobody never claim Franklin and Streisand surpass Madonna in sales.About popularity,Madonna’s ass is popular all over the world,not her music.Mariah just destroys her on popularity.Their respective influence on other artists talk by itself.

    Madonna would won many awards over Mariah if music industry awarded ass achievements.But,as they Award only music achievements they couldn’t give them to Madonna since Madonna have no talent,no impact on music,no influence, no legacy compare with Mariah.
    Mariah won the 2000 and 2003 awards thanks to her unique talent ,her exceptional voice and the sales that are results.As she accomplish much more than any other female artist either on sales either on talent and achievements !

  93. The Reason says:

    It is easy for you to attack artists. Same way it is

    easy for me. It is easy for you to bring links and

    videos. It is easy for me too. It is easy for you to

    manipulate info and messages, it is easy for me too.

    READ :

    1)Like I said on POST 88 take back what you said about

    Celine, and I take back what I said about Mimi. I can

    play this game as well.

    2) I wouldn’t insult you but you FIRST called me liar,

    biased and silly.

    3) I know Mariah’s songs meaning. :) I am a fan. Same

    way I know Celine’s song is about her husband beating

    cancer and the birth of her son that brought light and

    hope to her life. Since you change the meaning of the

    song, I can do the same with any Mimi song. Keep bashing

    artists and I will keep doing that.

    Till you take your insults back, the facts remain :

    01) Mariah was married to an Illuminati member.

    02) Mariah has collaborated with Illuminati singers.

    03) Mariah has influenced Illuminati artists.

    04) Mariah has devilish videos, like the links prove.

    05) Mariah has an evil alter ego. Just like Beyonce does.

    06) Mariah has devilish lyrics about sex, drugs and

    alcohol.

    07) Mariah dedicates songs to Illuminati members.

    08) Mariah’s image is radically changed.

    09) Mariah’s music contains Illuminati symbolism.

    10) Mariah’s sales declined after marrying into a church.

    11) Mariah turned from an innocent girl, to a sexy bitching diva. Just like Rihanna’s transformation on ”Good Girl Gone Bad”.

    —>

    Songs about God and Christmas mean nothing as YOU said

    before. Sorry. I REALLY WISH this argument was valid

    cause I want the best for my Mimi, but you made it

    TOTALLY invalid a few days ago (POST 52).

    —>

    ”Celine will continue to please Mottola and Sony team.”

    LOL ! Didn’t Mariah signed a contract to Sony in 2010 ?

    Oh yeah, she did. Oops..! You missed that.

    Didn’t she spent her golden years in Sony ? Yes, she did.

    Didn’t she built her reputation and image next to

    Illuminati worshiper Tommy ? :-) Yes !

    How come Mariah stood by her own in 2005 since LA Reid

    is an Illuminati member who gave her directions and also

    has Rihanna in his devilish label ? Oops! How come MC

    stood by her own in 2005, having songs about drugs,

    alcohol and sex and devilish videos ? See ? MC didn’t

    stand by her own as she had Illuminati mainstream

    rappers to many of her songs and videos..! I can bring

    videos, links and people’s articles to validate these,

    like you did.I can go further honey… Don’t provoke me.

    THE END.

    PS : Like I can’t do anything to change your

    accusations, you can’t do anything to change mine. Sorry.

    Only thing you can do is taking back these mean comments

    and I’ll withdraw mine ! You have my word on that.

  94. TRISH says:

    You fail on your comment on Mariah’s dress in “It’s Like That ” video.Your childish arguments has no base.You just explain some parts of “It’s Like That” video.Alcohol,sex,drugs have to do with morality,not to Illuminati.Where is the correlation with Illuminati ?
    I never tried to claim Mariah is ” the Holy Mary”. She is just like everyone.Everyone loves enjoy and fun..They can commit sins.But,this is different to some people that sold their soul to Satan to reach huge successes and money.
    Find something more convincing if you really want to soil Mariah.
    Idem for your delusional delirium on ” We Belong Together” video.
    The Illuminati makes you so foolish.
    Fail

  95. TRISH says:

    Mariah was always a rebel,your words can’t change that.Tommy wanted Mariah make only pure Pop ballads albums like he do with the puppet called Celine.For her first album Mariah made a Pop album with songs that she created with her friend Ben McGurlies,many years before she meet Mottola and collaborate with Sony team.
    Since her second album ” Emotions” Mimi improve R&B in that album.Since those times,Mariah was in a constant rebellion against Mottola and Sony team.About Celine,what she did to prove that she disagree against the Illuminati influence ? Singing Christmas songs ? This is so laughable !
    Mariah is a very inspirational and multi-various artist.That’s why she’s able to collaborate with any artist,either pop artists either Hip Hop artists.Her work is an art,the facts by which she did songs with rappers and some Illuminati members doesn’t imply that she belong to Illuminati sect herself.
    Illuminati is not only in music industry.They are everywhere.We all have contact with Illuminati worshipers.What is matter is to not do anything bad or symbolic they want us to do,then not integrate their sect by selling our soul to them.Neither supporting a member.

  96. TRISH says:

    PS “For her first album Mariah made a Pop album mainly with songs created many years before she met Mottola by herself with her then friend Ben McGurlies”.

  97. The Reason says:

    Sorry, if I fail, you fail too. If Mariah sings immoral

    songs, she is closer to the devil compared to Celine

    who doesn’t. Sorry, your childish arguments have no

    base.

    POST 93 is still your answer.

    READ it and think about it. :)

  98. TRISH says:

    @ Jenaya :
    Madonna Total Albums (Including Soundtracks and compilations) – 150M
    Celine – 140M
    Mariah – 200M
    Mariah haters should know that Illuminati can’t blind everyone like it do with Madge fans and Celiniacs.This is not 2001 but 2011.What Madonna and Celine achieve as sales in 2000’s over Mariah ? Both just had success on tours and concerts while Mariah had success on Hit Parades and sales.Madonna and Celine never even come close to Mariah on record sales worldwide in facts dear,take it.Try with another Illuminati argument.

  99. TRISH says:

    Lucky Luke,I didn’t fight with you.I debated with Moff about Madonna but you come to deny my claims next to Moff’s.

  100. The Reason says:

    1) Mariah was Tommy’s puppet and had sex with this
    Illuminati soldier to get fame, money and success. Only
    she proved being WORSE than the devil as she dumped him.
    Your comments can’t change that. Sorry.

    02) Mariah has collaborated with Illuminati singers.

    03) Mariah has influenced Illuminati artists.

    04) Mariah has devilish videos, like the links prove.

    05) Mariah has an evil alter ego. Just like Beyonce does.

    06) Mariah has devilish lyrics about sex, drugs and

    alcohol, which are immoral and close to evil.

    07) Mariah dedicates songs to Illuminati members.

    08) Mariah’s image is radically changed.

    09) Mariah’s music contains Illuminati symbolism.

    10) Mariah’s sales declined after marrying into a church.

    11) Mariah turned from an innocent girl, to a sexy
    bitching diva. Just like Rihanna’s transformation on ”Good Girl Gone Bad’

    -> Songs about God and Christmas mean nothing as YOU said before. I REALLY WISH this argument was valid (cause I want the best for my Mimi and her wrong choices), but you made it TOTALLY invalid a few days ago (POST 52).

    Let’s all admit it :

    The woman is Satan’s secret weapon representing all your

    desires of sex (The roof, Touch my body, I’m that chick,

    Honey, Babydoll) , money (Many houses, shoes, outfits

    etc) and fame (sold out commercial whore, overexposed to

    the media).

    ————-> TAKE NOTE ———->

    If you keep bashing Celine, I keep bashing Mariah.

    If you take back your filthy insults for Celine, I take

    back mine about Mariah. Deal.

  101. TRISH says:

    @ Jenaya: Dear Mariah hater,Mariah’s ABC special Christmas is a live performance.The fact by which she did a very good vocal performance on stage doesn’t mean she lipped.This is just you hating thoughts.
    Besides,I have many friends who were in that concert.
    You haters,Mariah never did something good in your eyes.Your opinion is Illuminati influence that want to make swallow Mariah’s vocal capabilities stay in studio.
    You said that she lose her voice when she did an average performance on stage.But when she do her best on a concert,you say that she lipped.
    Let me say you something.Mariah’s vocal performances are unbeatable and unreachable either they are studios, either they are live, either they are lipped versions .Take it !

  102. TRISH says:

    @ Angela:
    Your ridiculous post just makes readers laugh at you.You proved that you have zero knowledge about music question.Otherwise,you wouldn’t use the word ” puppet” for Mariah Carey.This word doesn’t match with Mimi.Go and learn something about Mariah and her achievements,then you’ll be able to say something coherent in this debate.If you are an Illuminati representative,try to make your ignorant message more convincing.
    Mariah Carey is the best selling female artist of all times ! leave with it honey.

  103. The Reason says:

    *yawn*

    Any comments on my recent posts ? I repeat for the 4th

    time… Take back what you said about Celine and I take

    back what I said about Mimi. :P

    Come on ! You had one honest time yesterday when you

    wrote me (on you tube) that you don’t hate Celine. Prove

    me you don’t hate by taking back the accusations and I

    honestly take back mine about Mariah.

  104. TRISH says:

    I’ll don’t take back on anything that I said here.They are not my personal accusations against Celine,I just claim them here.This is not by forging lies against Mariah that you’ll happen to clear Celine.

    Besides,you clearly show that your accusations are just a way to equals Mariah with Celine on the Illuminati question and diss her lambs.

    Do you want to make me look as a coward ? No,no I am not.If you want to stop this,just don’t reply to my posts.
    In the post # 27 I’d clearly tell you to let me debated with Madonna’s fans.But you refused to do while you incite me to do.

    You can forge anything you want against Mariah to equal her with Celine on the Illuminati question.That will not mean a lot.
    I even talked about Celine’s Illuminati,but Madonna’s. Since you wanted showing to Moff that you worth more than him as debater,you just jump here a tried to prove me wrong.If I wanted to fight with you and talked about Celine’s Illuminati I would probably post comments on Celine Vs Mariah debate.

  105. TRISH says:

    PS : I even don’t talked about Celine’s Illuminati,but Madonna’s.This is you that make me talking about Celine as Illuminati while you claimed Madonna and Celine surpass Mariah’s records.Since you wanted showing to Moff that you worth more than him as debater,you just jump here a tried to prove me wrong.If I wanted to fight with you and talked about Celine’s Illuminati I would probably post comments on Celine Vs Mariah debate.
    You want to have the last words when you are the one that disturb the debate.This is not your job to answer my posts when Moff and others Madonna’s fans are unable to do that.I always avoid to talk about Celine in this debate till the time you jumped here to prove me wrong face to Moff.You just broke the deal we both made in the Celine debate when when do that.
    You have a personal grudge against me and can’t support that I top a discussion without coming to fight with me.
    You did the same in Youtube, when I explain to Youtube why Mariah is better than Celine.

  106. TRISH says:

    All that I could do now,is to guide this debate to Madonna and Mariah Carey without even mention Celine at all.Please,don’t provoke me and let Madonna’s fans debate and bring arguments by their own against mine.

  107. TRISH says:

    I have nothing personal against you.But,why do you want to always defame me in every debate ? Did I attack you in youtube when I want to prove Mariah is better than Celine ? Is this not what every fans ?
    Celine Dion’s fans claim she’s better than Mariah Carey and try to prove it with arguments.
    Mariah Carey’s fans claim she’s better than Celine Dion and try to prove it with arguments.
    I am mainly Mariah fan as you are mainly a Celine fan.
    What is bad from me when I posted comments to justify Mariah is better than Celine by sales,voice,achievements,influence,legacy,etc…
    What is your problem with it Lucky Luke ?
    Did I post a personal attack against you on YouTube ?
    Why do you answer to my YouTube posts and insult me ?
    Answer : No
    Please,Lucky Luke don’t stay on my way and stop provoking me.

  108. The Reason says:

    So you think Celine IS or ISN’T Illuminati ? Saying no

    won’t make you look like a coward. It will confirm what

    you said yesterday that you don’t hate her.

    And I never brought Madonna in my posts cause I simply

    don’t mind about her. So, I didn’t take MOFF’s place.

    Saying WBT is 1xP + that you changed Mariah’s

    totals is another story, irrelevant to Madonna.

    ”You did the same in Youtube, when I explain to Youtube why Mariah is better than Celine.”

    Not really. I was annoyed you did that under a CELINE

    video, cause that indicates trolling. I didn’t mind about

    WHAT you said, cause most of that was valid. In other

    words, I didn’t mind about the CONTENT of your comments,

    but about the PLACE they were posted. You take everything

    I do the wrong way.

  109. TRISH says:

    Celine Dion is one of most respectable artists we’ve ever seen,I have to give her that.

    Celine’s name had never cited on any scandal ,through all her career unlike every other superstars.

    In spite of all I saw in the web,I don’t really think Celine is Illuminati because of her personality and her kindness.

  110. The Reason says:

    Thank God ! Of course I don’t believe any of what I said

    for Mimi, either… Bye <3

  111. TRISH says:

    Celine Dion is one of most respectable artists we’ve ever seen,I have to give her that.

    Except for the Illuminati accusations ,Celine’s name had never cited on any scandal ,through all her career unlike every other superstars.

    In spite of all I saw in the web,I don’t really think Celine is Illuminati because of her personality and her kindness.

  112. tane says:

    @jenaya you little bitch, shut your mouth, no one wants your delusional theories of chopping Mariah’s fans up, although it would be a lovely theory to chop Madonna fans:))))

    so there you go, Mariah fans are only protective of Mariah because the little so called Madonna fans attack her just as much, and here you are saying Mariah fans are delusional?? lol you crack me up.

    Mariah is more talented, she has the whole package, voice, looks etc! and its a shame Madonna doesn’t:((

    Mimi all the way!

  113. Asian Girl says:

    popcrush.com/madonna-queen-of-pop-readers-poll/

    Madonna voted as The Queen of Pop by Rolling Stone’ viewers beat Lady Gaga as misunderstood in prior.

    As Asian’s representative, I do mostly agree with the world MADONNA IS OUR THE WORLD GODDESS with most records at NO.1 including BIGGEST SELLING ARTIST (Male OR Female).

  114. TRISH says:

    @ Asian Girl. Sorry honey,but Mariah Carey is the best selling female artist of all times.You just show how much you ignore what is around you.Mariah rules in Asia continent,Madonna doesn’t even come close to her.Mimi is the best !

  115. MOFF says:

    Trish, at least “Asian Girl” have something, which she can regard to. Her opinion is based on something unlike your claims that are invented.

  116. Asian Girl says:

    Trish, I do not hate Mariah, and I am in Asia, I know best how Asian like or dislike whom……. I have been one of Madonnamanias since last 3 decades at such time no Mariah in the industry and seems too difficult to recover her fame onwards.

    Sincerely,
    Asian Girl… Asian’s representative

  117. Asian Girl says:

    Trish, In Thailand, we are not be able to afford Madonna’s concert because of her high ticket price, and most western concerts shown here are from the decline singers or bands in fame.

    I don’t want to spend my valued time on this debate, but I just want to confirm the power of MADONNA that has been unseen in Mariah or others in the same.

    The most of all I agree with Moff that your information is related on your own source of image as a dreamer in the dark of wannabe… sorry to talk frankly,,, I don’t hate you…but just want to see your truth…..

  118. Asian Girl says:

    Due to the continuing reputation of Queen Madonna, we have never seen her concert with high price ticket in Thailand and neighbor countries, unlike Micheal Jackson ever came 2 times in last 10 years, Mariah, Kylie, Janet Jackson, etc., they all are in the declining period with the low concert ticket price. And many statistics shown that Madonna is the best selling female singer of all times are truth.

  119. TRISH says:

    @ Moff Just shut up your big mouth bitch.You know nothing at all about music and sales -((

    @ Asian Girl : Your opinion is very far to be enough to justify what Madonna and Mariah worth each in whole Asia continent.You are just a single person among more than billion people in Asia. Sorry,your opinion is not relevant to even one of the smaller Asian cities.
    Just the fact by which you live in Asia doesn’t allow you to say your opinion about Madonna and Mariah there.
    As a native European girl,I could do the same than you.I could say Mariah is the European queen over Madonna and blah blah blah… This is so funny !

    The power of Madonna and Mariah in any country is showed by their respective sales ,influence on artists and wanna be artists,hits,etc… This not you neither me that could invent criteria.The whole world recognize Mariah is beyond Madonna in Asia continent, every fact supports it. Nobody can change it. Sorry

  120. TRISH says:

    Someone can tell me in what Madonna could be called “Queen” ???
    This is just so laughable !!!
    Someone can tell me if this blog is talking about musical achievements or about eccentricities achievements ???
    What Madonna ever did as impressive musically ?
    A musical queen that is unable to sing the National Anthem ?
    A musical queen that is unable to pleasure her fans and enjoy them during Christmas period and the holiday season ?
    A musical queen that have nothing impressive vocally ?
    In how many different musical genres Madonna usually sing ?
    What is the mark Madonna left in Music ? Legacy ?
    Do you think that Madonna could be a musical queen just because of her several number 1 hits on Hit parade airplay ?
    How many among Madonna’s number 1 Hits are produced ,composed and written by herself ?
    In which rank Madonna is in the list of the best successful producers and composers ?
    Do Madonna have a Citation from any institution for her vocal range,skills or abilities?
    What is the meaning of the word ” Queen ” for you ?
    Someone who manages to attract attention by eccentricities,Obscenities and vulgarities ?

    Don’t be delusional guys, Mariah Carey is the undeniable queen of music !

  121. TRISH says:

    @ Asian girl: For your personal info,Mariah Carey is the best selling female artist of all times !

  122. MOFF says:

    Trish. I hope you are aware of the fact that you insult people. I don’t. Therefore you are childish.

    We know Mariah has sold more in Asia than Madonna. But it´s true what Asian Girl said: Madonna is the best selling female, sources say it.

    And if you don’t believe them. Let us talk further about this stupid Illuminati questions. But if we cannot find out an answer we must believe the sources: It is Madonna, who is the best selling female artist.

  123. TRISH says:

    @ Moff:You prove that you are most childish than me when you just applause any stupid comment that try to support Madonna -)
    moff,What else can you say than ” Madonna is the best selling female artist because sources say it ” ??? That’s all ? This is really funny! Very dear,sources can say anything they want to just to bias facts and cheat on music lovers.
    I already show why institutions bias facts to praise Madonna’s sales and Put Mariah’s down.So,don’t come here with your chorus ” Sources says Madonna is ahead of Mariah” It would be so easy.Why Madonna got as exceptional to amaze people for buying her albums more than Mariah’s? Avery true music lovers are very amazed by Mariah as artist.She has everything: Voice,talent,skills,sex appeal,Variety of lyrics and musical genres,etc…There are so many reasons which favor Mariah over Madonna as artist.Find a convincing argument Moff instead of repeat ” sources say it ”
    Mariah Carey is the best selling female artist of all times !

  124. MOFF says:

    Well, that’s your opinion.
    What I think:

    yes, Mariah has a lot of talent, she has everything.
    But Madonnas songs are better. (My opinion) Its just a better melody, sorry, but that’s why people buy Madonna’s albums.

    You insult people, I don’t. You are childish.

  125. TRISH says:

    Hahaha! Moff is really funny ! He thinks that Madonna’s songs are “better” Than Mariah’s Lol ! Your opinion is stupid !
    You just show to everyone here how much you have a mediocre taste about music.Even if you are fool of Madonna you shouldn’t say this absurdity here.
    Moff,people buys Mariah’s albums most than Madonna’s because Mariah is before all,a real artist,a very talentuous and exceptional artist.The few people that buys Madonna’s albums do it just because they are attracted by cheesy music and they support eccentricities,obscenities, vulgarities, perversions, etc…
    Can we just imagine Madonna singing The Star Spangled banner or O Holy Night ? You are right to prefer Madonna over Mariah but don’t say her music is better because many readers will laugh at you.
    Even 5 years old children usually praise Mariah for her incredible songs and her unreachable voice.I don’t even talk about adults and experts.So,you show who among you and me is most childish.You are most childish than even children. LMAO !!!!!

  126. MOFF says:

    Trish, you are childish ;)

    Because?
    Because: Everyone has a musical taste ;)

    What matters to you is just voice ability.
    Of course it wouldn’t sound good if Madonna sings Oh holy night ?!

    I know that?!

    But its my musical taste, and I don’t deny this!

    You cant say Oh Holy Night is a “better” song, because everybody has different taste of music? Didn’t you know that?

    What matters is how many people like it. And its shown by their sales.

    You believe in Illuminati and their “changes” and their increasing. Ok.

    But we cant say anything about this, we don’t know details, so we believe the facts.
    Guinness, IFPI, mediatraffic, worldwide albums and so on.
    Can you tell me one institution that claims that Mariah is the best selling female artist?
    Why isn’t there one which claim so?

    You are childish, because you cant understand what people like or don’t like.
    You insult people, that’s the baddest thing.

  127. TRISH says:

    Moff, you are retarded;)

    Because?
    Because: Everyone has a musical taste,but they can’t say their favorite artist make better songs than any other artist.Musical taste doesn’t make a real music lover blind.Mariah’s songs are undeniably way better than Madonna’s either for her fans either for her haters.But,people are right to love what they want to.Fanaticism can make people blind and deaf sometimes -)

    What matters to people is not just vocal ability,but the capabilities of the artist to perform,compose,produce her own songs.The voice is very very important for being a real artist.That’s why on searching competitions like X-Factor,American Got Talent, Britain’s Got Talent,etc… vocal abilities are matters most than remainder.The candidate must show to judge and the audience that he/she’s able to sing out of ordinary like anyone.Otherwise everyone would become singers.There would be no place for any musical superstar cause everyone would be at the same level on talent.

  128. TRISH says:

    Anyone who is not mute can sing O Holy Night.But a real great musical legend should be able to give a good rendition of this song.Being a diva doesn’t resume by making sexual scandals,showing ass,sleeping with everyone,etc… you should have what is called talent.That amaze music lovers
    most than sexual eccentricities.
    Moff said ” What is matter is how many people like it ” You are right because much more people like Mariah’s music than Madonna’s,proved not only by her record sales,but also by her huge influence on artists,wanna be artists and musical competitors.
    What is Madonna’s influence on musical competitions as X-Factor,American Idol,etc.. compare with Mariah Carey ?
    Mariah’s songs have innumerable cover versions by music lovers and wanna be artists all around the world.All these are the proof that her music is loved, praised and buying by much more people than Madonna
    ‘s
    But its my musical taste, and I don’t deny this!

    You cant say Oh Holy Night is a “better” song, because everybody has different taste of music? Didn’t you know that?

    What matters is how many people like it. And its shown by their sales.

    You believe in Illuminati and their “changes” and their increasing. Ok.

    But we cant say anything about this, we don’t know details, so we believe the facts.
    Guinness, IFPI, Mediatraffic, worldwide albums and so on.
    Can you tell me one institution that claims that Mariah is the best selling female artist?
    Why isn’t there one which claim so?

    You are childish, because you cant understand what people like or don’t like.
    You insult people, that’s the baddest thing.

  129. TRISH says:

    “But its my musical taste, and I don’t deny this!

    You cant say Oh Holy Night is a “better” song, because everybody has different taste of music? Didn’t you know that?

    What matters is how many people like it. And its shown by their sales.

    You believe in Illuminati and their “changes” and their increasing. Ok.

    But we cant say anything about this, we don’t know details, so we believe the facts.
    Guinness, IFPI, Mediatraffic, worldwide albums and so on.
    Can you tell me one institution that claims that Mariah is the best selling female artist?
    Why isn’t there one which claim so?

    You are childish, because you cant understand what people like or don’t like.
    You insult people, that’s the baddest thing.

    Your personal taste mean nothing face the taste of so many million of people that are still amazed by Mariah’s voice and songs.Facts are not what is published officially by institutions Moff. I repeat for you all these institutions bias music info. Facts are what we can see on YouTube about all these people from the whole world that upload their own cover versions of Mariah’s songs. Facts are showed in musical competitions American idol,factor X etc… When most of competitors sing Mariah ‘s songs much more than Madonna’s.Facts are showed by worldwide artists that praise Mariah and claimed how much she influenced their style and career.So Mariah have a much bigger impact on people worldwide than Madonna as artist.That’s why they buy her albums most than Madonna’s.All those facts deny institutions claims.

  130. TRISH says:

    Moff, the Illuminati supports can’t make of Madonna the real best selling female artist of all time.They can just bias data and ranks in their official claims.Mariah Carey is the undeniable best selling female artist of all time !

  131. tane says:

    @Asian girl, lol how would you know who’s bigger in Asia, just because your Asian? you don’t, as simple as that”/ Mariah Carey over 50 million album sales in Asia alone, japan 17 – 18 million albums sold, most successful international artist in Asia, Madonna doesn’t come close dahhlinn”/

    Mimi love ya x

  132. tane says:

    no offense, but i think this Illuminati stuff is crap”/

  133. MOFF says:

    1. Trish, I know that my musical taste doesn’t matter.
    I just explained you that Oh holy night isn’t a better song, because it is a matter of taste. So it is not important to argue that way: Madonna cant sing any of this songs. It doesn’t matter how good or bad Madonna sings.

    2. I didn’t say Illuminatis support Madonna.
    I said: We dont know anything of the Illuminati Story, so we must believe the sources we have (despite the fact they might be changed by Illuminatis)

    3. You really think that facts are shown by “how many people sing Mariah songs on x factor or American idol etc” ????

    Trish, you, as a musical expert for sales shouldn’t have said this.

    ..let me explain:

    Honestly, I cant sing!
    And if I had a good voice, I would sing very hard songs to sing, to show my ability.
    People on these shows just sing Mariah, Whitney .. songs because they are typical ballads where you can prove your voice ability!

    That’s what matters: In a casting show, the best singer is searched!
    The jury want to find an amazing voice, that’s why an ordinary singer with a normal voice has not ever win such a show.
    Jordin Sparks, Leona Lewis, Adam Lambert, Kelly Clarkson, Christina Aguilera .. all great voices!

    But that of course, doesn’t mean Mariah is the most successful singer.

    Today, for example Germany, “Run” by Leona Lewis is sung always and everywhere, but has it been a real successful song?

    Only few people sing Madonna songs and upload it, because it is not spectacular! Of course not, because they are not Madonna, they cant perform, and they cant write these great melodies.

    Mariah songs, instead, are perfect to sing along with, to show your voice ability. That’s why they are sung.

  134. Asian Girl says:

    Trish, Tane, Moff

    Time will prove everything and I do believe that Madonna can be toppest till her age of death and will be memorial endless while Mariah will be surely forgotten from the industry as new stronger comers replacing currently and onwards. Madonna, she really never dies.

    Moff… thanks for your agreement…. May I stop making a further discussion…. I can’t be more patient with the rude comments….

  135. tane says:

    @ Asian Girl, well its a wonder how Madonna songs are never memorable, whilst MC’s song you here them everywhere, people don’t forget them, her 18 number 1s are examples”/ so when you say Mariah will be forgotten that’s truly a false statement because she will never be forgotten, well only by haters like yourself who try to forgot MIMI”/

    @Moff that’s just another example of how legendary Mimi is’/ her riffs and runs, her unique style of voice just transfixes people to try them…….

    but Trish, i do believe Madonna’s sold more than queen Mariah….but i will always love MC, she’ll never be forgotten (Asian girl), I just don’t like Madonna, full stop!! lol

  136. Gail says:

    Mariah is the very best !

  137. Brit says:

    Madonna is the top selling female recording artist of all time according to Guinness World Records:
    guinnessworldrecords.com/records-8000/topselling-female-recording-artist/
    In 2006, the International Federation of the Phonographic Industry said that Madonna sold 200 million albums worldwide:
    ifpi.org/content/section_news/plat_month_20060913.html
    “The disco-inspired album is the eleventh studio offering from the American, who has sold over 200 million albums worldwide throughout her illustrious career.”

  138. Divas Live says:

    Its True because Madonna Start Early than Mariah & Celine…..
    But Today,,,,,,theres no question About it that Celine Dion Wins in everything except for the concert which Madonna Still owns it…

    Mariah ?????? hmmmmmm excuse me……..shes not in the list anymore…. She need to rest……

  139. BUTTERFLY says:

    Mariah Carey and Madonna are both in lists of greatest female artists of all times.
    Mariah is the top because she has the whole package ( Voice,sales,musicianship,legacy,influence,mark ,image,etc)
    Celine??? …….Hahaha no no,she just sings songs that composers and producers bring to her to sing.Just able to perform,too much limited.

  140. Honey says:

    Although I am a Mimi fan, I agree that Madonna has sold more albums than Mariah, but in my opinion, Mariah’s music is better and her voice is better.

    Mimi has inspirational ballads like ‘Hero’ and ‘Butterfly’ and ‘Through the Rain’, dance songs like ‘Fantasy’ and ‘It’s like That’, R&B songs like ‘Shake It Off’ and ‘Honey’, and than songs that have a little bit of everything like ‘Heartbreaker’ and ‘Don’t Forget About Us’.

    Madonna’s discography mostly consists of dance songs. It’s bland compared to Mariah’s amazing array of genres and styles.

  141. Divas Live says:

    Darling….whats the use o f talents// whats the use if you have all the skills & all singing style,,,/?? if you dont know how to entertain fans don’t know how to dance ,,,,,nobody went to your concert,, nobody went to your Movies…. its such a shame you all have the guts but the majority people around the world don’t love you…???

  142. Divas Live says:

    Mariah Carey is not in the list

    of the top 10 earners of the decade from 2000 to 2011
    Celine Dion made it at # 1 spot

    shes not in the top 10 most successful tours of all time
    Celine did second to Madonna

    Shes not in the top 10 forbes richest singer 2011
    Celine made it at # 10 Mariah nono… shes not in the list..

    Mariah songs is not in the list of Vh1 100 top love song of all time
    Celine take the # 2 spot my hearth will go on second t o wheatney houston
    & # 28 because you love me Mariah ??? nono shes not in the list

  143. Divas Live says:

    my mistake Celine’s my hearth will go on is at #3 next to elvis

  144. mimi#1 says:

    MARIAH CAREY
    -is a SINGER. true talent. anybody can sing like madonna.but no one can sing as good as mariah. madonna is not even good in singing.
    mariah is #1 in mtv’s 100 greatest voices.

    –MC is a SONGWRITER. yeah! she writes her own songs!! hers is a gift from above! madonna just relies on songwriters etc and owns it as if she wrote it.that goes to show that mariah really is a LEGITIMATE artist.

    -MC has the MOST#1’s songs in the history than any female artists. nuff said.

    mariah is a true artist. madonna is just a performer. and below average performer at that. mariah is THE VOICE! madonna should be ashamed of her voice.can she even sing? and when you listen to mariah, you’ll recognize her voice, cause its unique.

    MARIAH IS THE MOST SUCCESSFUL FEMALE RECORDING ARTIST OF ALL TIME..

  145. js says:

    madonna new offering “MDNA” debut at number 1 stealing the number 1 spot from lionel richie tuskegee.. which is obvious that madonna cheat on him by giving away her album from people who bought the ticket from her tour.. but the result of that,
    in second week the album fell from number 1 to number 8 with a flop second week sale of more that 45k only 88% down, and holds the record for second biggest decrease.. while tuskegee fell at number 4 and manage to sell a hundred thousand copies.. the worst is….
    third week of the album’s release the album MDNA manage to sell 19000 copies and tuskegee is finally at number 1… poor MDNA…. this is unusual for a big artist like her seems like it wont reach platinum either gold

  146. Betsy Boss says:

    Its true Madonna is an illuminati whore. They gave micheal jackson vitiligo because they didn’t want the king of pop to be black. The illuminati is obsessed with blonde hair blue eyed people. Look at how they tried to envision Britney Spears as being Blonde haired and blue eyed. Around the time people claimed Madonna was the best selling female The illuminati would not kill Mariah carey as it was gonig to be too suspicious I mean everyone would wonder… she gave up fighting and just went along so she wouldnt be killed.

  147. devi says:

    Actually, everyone’s stats are off. Certificates are not sales or shipments for that matter. The RIAA reports certificates bought by the record companies which is where the RIAA get all of their stats from. Number gouging is the whole reason Soundscan and similar systems worldwide were created. Platinum, Gold, and so forth are certificates that mean different numbers for different countries and all have changed between 2001-2003. I actually went through Madonna’s sales of Music country by country and continent by continent. The actual sales worldwide weren’t even half of what it’s been certified as. Madonna’s sales in the 80’s weren’t over 200 million – therefore if she supposedly sold over 200-300 million albums than at least 100 million of that would’ve been within the last 20 years during the worldwide scanning years. But, that’s not true as I’ve said certificates aren’t sales. There’s a reason why the World Music Awards never gave Madge a Diamond Award – there’s no actual scan sales to back that up. It doesn’t matter when that award show came into being it tallies up actual sales around the world. Guiness get their stats from the Riaa who get their stats from the record companies. It’s highly biased and no way to check facts. Mariah has the awards to back up her sales, not her certificates.

  148. TRISH says:

    Mariah Carey is the best selling female artist of all time!

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