Still More On Celine Dion Versus Mariah Carey
This post is for a third round of comments continuing the discussion sparked by the Monarc_2002 editorial viewable here and continued here asking whether Celine Dion or Mariah Carey has had the more successful career.
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@ TRISH
LMAO ,you’re a joke. And probably around 15 years old.
You’re the one trying to prove me wrong. At least what I
claim are all established facts. (Forbes,La Times,Uk
magazines,RIAA,Certifications,World Music Awards,Sites)
The burden of proof is yours,not mine. I’ve listed all
my sources and facts. If you don’t believe them it is
your opinion and I don’t care. I’ve done my part. It’s
your job to prove me wrong ,and you have failed. So stop
your bitching and get to work to find some facts
to prove Mariah sold 300m records. Like I said I am done
debating,but you will ALWAYS be called out on the lies
and mistakes you keep posting. So you will NEVER feel
relief,unless you stop posting lies. You are a Celine
fan and you love Celine ? This is why you claim she has
2.7 octaves while she reaches the 3.5 octaves ? Mariah
has indeed a wider vocal range 5.1 octaves as she
reaches the whistle register.(Over the E6 notes)YOU ARE
EXPOSED FOR SAYING CELINE HAS 2.7 Octaves.
Celine Vocal Range : B2 - E6 which is more than Toni
Braxton , Leona , Beyonce AND Whitney ! (Whitney has 3.1
octaves vocal range) !
- You said Mariah has income from her acting career.
LIE ! Actors are not being paid for flop films.
- You said ”If Celine got 225 m $ from albums
sold,that’s mean Mariah got 300 m $ from her albums
since she sold more albums than Celine worldwide.” I
can easily think like you so I should say : If Mariah
sold 300m records then Celine sold 400m
records.Still,you proved nothing,but I have Forbes and
LA Times in my sleeve,that clearly mentioned 225m dollars
made by album sales from Celine.
- You say Mariah sold 25m albums in Japan.PROVE IT.
In this world Mariah sold 18m albums In Japan (17m from
Certifications) and if you claim 25m for her YOU HAVE TO
BRING THE CERTIFICATIONS or ESTIMATIONS (not yours) or
an Award for these sales.Posting 25m just like that
MEANS NOTHING! See how it is done :
Celine sold 15m albums In Canada ! Here :
celinedioncharts.com/byalbum.htm
You can also visit the CRIA certification system to see
I don’t lie.
Diamond Certification in Canada doesn’t mean 10xP (=1m)
,it could also mean 18xP like Celine’s ”The Colour of
my love” that sold 1.800.000 copies there. (18xP)
Same goes for Japan and ”Million” certifications.
- You said Celine amuses her fans in her concerts.
Funny how most of the songs during her shows are tear
jerkers,LOL
- Celine dropped school but this is irrelevant to what
you claimed on producing skills,for instance..! You
didn’t even know arranging and producing skills are the
same thing and you mentioned them as 2 different things
to put more asstes to Mariah.
- Mariah followed choreography during Honey in 1998 -.-‘
Just buy A New Day DVD & Taking Chances Tour DVD &
Au Couer Du Stade DVD.
- Celine is not just loud,she has great breath control,
smooth transitions,belting ability,soft low notes.
And of course belting and strong volume is needed in
rnb singers as well,so you didn’t excuse any of your
favorites against Celine.
I REPEAT
I don’t care proving anything more on Celine and I don’t
mind debating. But the lies will always be exposed.
You claim 200m records for Celine ? OK ! I am done.
Keep on believing so. BUT
Since you asked me…I ask again…Which sources prove
Mariah sold 300m records ? It is an easy question.
This is your last chance to answer.
AND ALL THE BURDEN FALLS ON YOUR SIDE,DEAR.
-> Follow my advice : Ask for sorry for all the lies you
post and just leave the debate. You will at least show
some DIGNITY.
I never called Mariah attention whore.Jessica did and
I put her in place for doing so.
All the other accusations took place in the past when I
entered here with different nicknames just to piss you
off. I used to say Celine sold 200m albums in 17 years
then,which was obviously a big lie just to make you all
angry.
I am not a Mariah hater to accuse her of silly things
such as boobs and not a delusional fan to post lies I
can’t prove.
Once again,my job here is done. I show how Celine sold
240m records worldwide (not by inflating album sales)
and if you don’t accept it I AM FINE WITH THIS.
& Unlike your accusations it is been MORE than 3 months
since I admited Mariah is better in : songwriting skills,
producing skills,innovative ideas,video directing
(Fantasy),even in beauty.
On Voice and Legacy I have a different opinion.And
I won’t ellaborate any further on why I consider Celine
better than Britney Spears,LOL.
Still I will never use words ”kills,slays,beats” !
I DON’T WANT TO FIGHT WITH YOU, SO JUST STOP POSTING
LIES ON CERTIFICATIONS AND SALLES !
Almost forgot !
Everything I said about Celine’s certifications
dates is 100 percent right. She got her final
certifications between 2000 - 2004 and I can post AGAIN
these dates. & Mariah got her Millennium Award for sales
coming from 1990-1999. This is why it is called
MILLENIUM Award !
Millenium ended at 31/12/1999.It has nothing to do
with sales from 00s,despite the fact that it was given
to MC during 2000.
And her sales by 2000 stood at 130m albums without
counting Rainbow. If you count Rainbow & her 00s albums
(without inflating or deleting sales)
you see she sold 150m by 2003 and 165m by 2011. It is
so simple.
Check all her sites , or her labels announcements.
You can also check magazines of each era !
Or even what every Tv host claims on her sales.
You choose what to trust. I trust all these sites
and you should stop calling me a liar,cause it is
obvious I don’t create things out of my mind.
Finally,stop saying that internet features lies because
you get all your info using the internet. You know
certifications by using the internet. You used to say
you trust magazines ,but we shouldn’t go there cause
all magazines declare Celine as the best seller of the
last 20 years.(I already posted some of them)
Now that I think of it , internet & media & magazines
agree with me,LOL.
Anyway…
Just don’t lie again and we are fine :))
I hate fighting with Mariah and Celine fans and I
promise you I won’t reply again,if you avoid lies and
theories.
& I never compared Celine’s dancing skills to Beyonce’s.
I am not crazy to do so. LOL
@ POSTS 121-127 LIES / TRISH
- 5.1 Otaves (Mariah’s range) is not the largest vocal
range ever for a female. FAIL
- All the awards you mentioned are are NOT
INTERNATIONAL. You put the word ”International” and
then you mention Billboard and MTV ! This proves your
delusion. FAIL
- Only WMA are considered international,Mariah has more
because of the 90s distnctions per year & she was the
best seller of 1990-1999. Celine’s international awards
are more recent than Mariah’s. 2004 , 2007 , 2008 and so
on. FAIL
- Sales is not the only thing Celine could suprass
Mariah.It is record sales & number of awards & stage
presence/entertaining skills & popularity ! FAIL.
- Celine is more popular everywhere,exept for Asia and
Us,while Mariah is not even HALF popular Celine is in
Africa.Celine even suprassed MJ in record sales in
Africa and her tour demand there is impressive. FAIL
- Mariah CARES About concerts ,she is just unable to
sell out. FAIL
- You said Celine parfumes are not nominated ! LMAO !
Celine won FiFi award for women’s FRAGRANCE OF THE YEAR
in 2004. Celine won award in 2006 for BEST PACKAGING.
Celine won French Fragrance Industry award in 2007.
Celine won Shape of Beauty Aware for Mood Boosting
Fragrance of the Year (For Sensational) in 2008 ! And
was nominated from 2004-2009 for all her Fragrances !
On top of these she grossed 850.000.000 dollars.
You fail and you prove once again you know NOTHING on
Celine. FAIL
- Celine was also included in many maazines during her
pregnancy but I don’t see how this is an argument to
popularity.FAIL.
- The rest Us Mariah achievements are in my book years
before you even heard of them. FAIL. :)
- Mariah sold 35-40m albums in Asia. If you claim 50m
PROVE IT. Otherwise you FAIL
- All Mariah’s certifications are clear in Japan.
Mariah Carey 4x Platinum 900,000
Emotions 5x Platinum 1,000,000
MTV Unplugged 2x Platinum 500,000
Music Box 11x Platinum 2,300,000
Merry Christmas 13x Platinum 2,700,000
Daydream 12x Platinum 2,500,000
Butterfly 8x Platinum 1,600,000
Number 1s 18x Platinum 3,600,000
Rainbow 5x Platinum 1,000,000
Glitter 2x Platinum 450,000
Greatest Hits 2x Platinum 400,000
Charmbracelet 2x Platinum 400,000
The Remixes 25,000
The Emancipation Platinum 350,000
E=MC Gold 150,000
Memoirs Gold 100,000
These figures where also announced by Sony Music Japan.
These are her actual sales. Not only certified sales. If
it was certified sales I would put 200k in TEOM and not
350k,for being platinum. You FAIL to inflate her sales.
- All Certification DATES are clear :
ifpi.com/content/section_news/plat2004.html
riaa.com/goldandplatinumdata.php?table=SEARCH_RESULTS
FAIL.
- Celine pulls people on her concerts because of her
Voice & Stage Skills. FAIL again.
- You said Celine did duets to boost her voice. LMAO
Celine became known for her voice since 1981.She won
awards for her voice all through the 80s decade when
NOBODY made a duet with her. She won Grammy for
her vocal perfomances for SOLO perfomances. Her
hardest songs are SOLO songs. FAIL .
- Boyz II Men vocalists ? LMAO.
Celine equal to Nicki Minaj ? LMAO. Celine can’t sing
in Greek,but I can sing in English and French so I am
way better,according to your dumb (sorry :P) process
of thought.
Celine could only dream of singing Halo ? LMAO. An easy
song.
& Hip Hop = Rap and I don’t recall Mariah doing a rap
verse.
———> After These You Had The NERVE to ask —->
”Since when Celine had a number 1 Hit on Billboard ? Eurochart ? United World Chart ? Since when your Idol had a million seller single ? Since when your idol won a Grammy Award ? A relevant major awards or citation ?
About voice,what vocal record Celine ever hold in her career ? What citation from Guinness World Record did she ever received ? Which worldwide poll about voice did Celine ever won ? What International vocal rank did she ever top ? A worldwide poll ? Magazines Polls ? ”
—->
All your questions are proof of your DELIRIUM and
nothing more,but since you CHALLENGE me , I will reply.
First,nobody here said Celine is a strong single seller.
From you questions,Mariah wins only in Billboard Hot 100.
Eurochart ? This decade Celine had more top 10 hits.
Neither Celine,nor Mariah scored number 1s there this
decade. FAIL
United World Chart ? This decade Celine scored TWO
number 1s at United World Chart. Mariah NONE. FAIL.
Vocal Record ? More LIVE perfomances at SIGNIFICANT
ceremonies than Mariah. More at Grammy than any other
artist,more at Oscars than any other arist,”God Bless
America” in 2001 when Mariah sang Loverboy (LOL) ,
Live on Children’s Day 2002,L’amour Existe Encore in 2001
for the victims & Grammy awards for pop vocal albums
& pop vocal perfomances & award at AGE 15 in Japan
for ”Tellement J’ai D’amour” & Eurovision Song Contest
award in 1998 for a vocal perfomance. I think these
awards/records reply to your questions.
- ”Mariah doesn’t care to clown around in front of
million of people ,wasting her unique voice for money.”
Funny how Mariah does big tours only after flops. FAIL
Funny how Mariah admited losing her abilities because of
drinks and cigarettes. FAIL
- ”You say Mariah’s voice is breathy,but can you cite for me 1 studio recording songs in which Mariah’s voice is breathy? ”
LOL ! Songs ? All over Charmbracelet and Memoirs albums
have breathy week vocals,even music critics mentioned
this. FAIL
Just to EXPLAIN you…
”Breathy” for Mariah has got to do her technique and
it is an objective MISTAKE.
What you call ”Nasal” for Celine has got to do with
the sound of her voice and it is up to OPINION,not
technique.You may like the timbre of a person’s voice or
may not like it.
The mistake Celine usually makes is her placement
(technical mistake) is at high belted notes,because she
uses her throat,while Mariah has better placement.
So when I say sth about Mariah’s ”breathy voice” has
got to do with bad technique, I don’t talk about her
sound.On the other hand you only try to take down
Celine’s sound/colour/timbre.
- ”MARIAH CAREY IS A VERY GREAT DANCER NEXT TO CELINE
DION.”
Celine won awards for her show Choreography in 2007.
FAIL.
CONCLUSION —>
You have 0 knowledge on Sales , 0 knowledge on Vocal
Skills & 0 knowledge on CELINE DION in general.
(From sales to voice,from parfume awards to technique)
I replied to everything you said at posts 321-327.
Quit posting lies & fake theories and I quit replying,
I promise.
* ”Since when your idol won a Grammy Award ?”
Answer : Celine had already won 5 Grammy Awards by 1999.
Mariah got 5 Grammy Awards by 2005.
Not to mention who won the most Important Categories.
(Record of the year,Album of the year,Best Vocal album)
& Celine is the one to recieve an award from all Music
markets (Even Latin America and Africa). Not only Us
awards (American awards/Billboard),cause she is
everything but limited.
for me, Mariah s da best because she had a 18 # song on da billboard compare to Celine who had 6# songs!!! Mariah, had also 4 song of da year in da billboard which s hero,one sweet day,heartbreaker, and we belong together!! Mariah has more sold out albums!!!! Mariah ‘s 10 albums are all reach #1 in da us music charts!!!! Mariah had 5.1 octave voice while Celine got only 2 octave….. Celine s better but Mariah s da best!!! go m.c!!!!!!!!!
Celine has 4 Billboard Hot 100 Number 1s,Mariah 18 out of
a total of 10 and 26 top 10 hits,respectively.
Mariah has 2 songs of the decades in Us & 6 number 1
Albums.
Celine has 3.5 octaves vocal range. (B2-E6)
Whistle notes/register is the main difference in range.
@badik bombeo
First of all, use proper grammar. I barely understood a word you were saying. Second of all, Mariah has sold 200-220 million records (albums,singles, music videos) while Celine has 220-250 million. And third, Mariah does not have 5.1, though I will admit Mariah has a larger range than Celine. But that doesn’t mean Celine has 2. That’s just wrong. She has an octave range of 3.7. You also said a big keyword there. “Mariah HAD 5.1 octave voice….” (which she doesn’t). HAD! Mariah doesn’t have a voice anymore. I have heard and seen enough videos of hen Mariah’s voice just breaks. I’m not saying Celine doesn’t do it, but only does when she’s sick. (ex: her performance at the British version of the XFactor.)
And for all those people who say Celine only beats Mariah in touring and shake that off, it’s really a big deal. That just shows how much more Celine is popular worldwide unlike Mariah. In her tours, Celine performs 130 concerts whereas Mariah’s highest number of concerts are 71.
Also, to the one who says Mariah’s Christmas album sold more than Celine’s, let me tell you that that is a lie (unless you’re talking about Celine’s Christmas albums from the ’80’s, which we’re not so…). I know someone already said this, but I want to clarify this a little bit more. Celine’s Christmas album These Are Special Times is the second best selling Christmas album of all time and the second best selling Christmas album in the US only behind Kenny G.
Lots of you say Celine hasn’t been in movies so it proves Mariah is better. First of all, I’ll just start off by saying I won’t be saying what a flop her movies have been, ’cause not all have been. Second, none of this proves Mariah is better. We’re talking about vocals here. So don’t even bother bringing it up.
Celine’s nasally because of her French accent. Her accent is a trademark. Mariah’s trademark? Her body. I’m sorry, I’m not trying to be rude here. Just saying what I think is going on. Celine is praised for her technique. So don’t you all go saying she has bad technique and don’t what she’s doing.
I just want to say Mariah’s an okay singer, but Celine’s my favorite of all time. She doesn’t have to sing what others are singing to be popular and sell more albums unlike Mariah’s. I did like Mariah’s songs from the ’90’s, but now it’s just not something I want to listen to. Obsessed? Touch My Body? I don’t want to listen to Mariah telling someone to touch her arms and thighs. Just gross.
@ POST 9
Thank you, thank you and thank you !
- Mariah had a 5.1 octave range, this is true.
Now her vocal condition faces many problems.Same goes
for her technique,which was flawless during 90s.
- You exagerated a bit against MC, because her unique
whistles is one of her trademarks but I got all your
points.
- Celine’s popularity is also shown by charts. Celine
even scored number 1 albumS in S.America and Africa
this decade,while MC barely reached the top 10 with TEOM.
(Her Best Seller)
- Please STAY HERE, because these lambs are out of
control ,spreading lies about everything.
Tell me your opinion on my posts 1-6 ! Thanks for the
support.
Music Box 32m/Falling Into You 32m
Daydream 25m/Let’s Talk About Love 31m
#1’s 18m/All The Way 21m
Mariah Carey 18m/The Colour Of My Love 18m
Merry Christmas 17m/ These Are Special Times 14m
Butterfly 16 m/ A New Day Has come 11m
The Emancipation Of Mimi 12m/ D’eux 9m
Rainbow 12m / Celine Dion 5 m
Emotions 11m /One Heart 5m
MTV Unplugged EP 10m /Taking Chances 3,5m
Greatest Hits 5m/S’il Suffisait D’aimer 3m
Charmbracelet 4,7m/ Miracle 2,5m
Glitter 4m/ /Dion Chante Plamondon 2m
E=MC 2,8m/ Unison 3,5m
Memoirs Of An Imperfect Angel 2m/ The Collector Serie 2 m
The Remixes 1m/ D’elles 2m
The Ballads 0,8m / On Ne Change Pas 1,7m
Merry Christmas 0,6m/ Celine A L’Olympia 1 m
Playlist 0,4m/Au Coeur Du Stade 1m + My Love 1m +A New Day Live 1m + 1980’s Quebecker albums 1,5m +low selling compilations 2m
Total -> 180 million (Mariah )/ 178,7m ( Celine )
ALBUM SALES = They are equal
Mariah 180 million -Celine 178,4 million
Mandy
SINGLE SALES=Mariah wins
Mariah 75 million- Celine 55 million
DVD SALES = Celine wins
Mariah 3 million- Celine 5,5 million
VOICE = Mariah wins
Mariah vocal range : 5 octaves -Celine vocal range ; 2,5 octaves
POPULARITY = Mariah wins
Mariah is popular in more countries/continents than Celine.
Mariah Carey beat Celine in USA,Japan,Korea,China,Taiwan,Hong Kong,Philipines,Brazil, Costa Rica,Jamaica, West Indies ,Australia,New Zealand,Fidji ,Israel ,Brunei
Celine beat Mariah in Canada,France,UK,Germany,Italia,Spain,Belgium,Luxembourg,South Africa.
INFLUENCE = Mariah wins
Mariah influences Kelly Clarkson,Beyonce,Jessica Simpson,Alicia Keys,Kat Deluna,Justin Timberlake,Destiny’s Child,Backstreet Boys,Trey Lorenz,Pixie Lott,Ciara,Rihanna…
Celine influences Charice,Lara Fabian,Garou,etc…
TOURS AND CONCERT TICKET SALES = Celine wins
TALENT ( songwriting,composing and producing skills)= Mariah wins
CONTRIBUTION & PART IN THE EVOLUTION OF MUSIC= Mariah wins
Mariah is credited as the artist introducing elements of Hip Hop and R&B in Pop culture.Mariah is also credited as the pioneer of Remixes .She’s equally the one that had haul R&B genre on top in USA and popularized this Hip Hop/R&B worldwide.
FORTUNE =Draw
For all the 1990 and 2000 decades combined ,both divas are equal .Mariah was richer for all the 1990’s period, like Celine was richer for all the 2000’s period ( most of Celine major sources of income are situated in the 2000 decade,at the other hand most of Mariah’s come from the 1990’s.Celine had major contracts in the 2000’s with American and Canadian brands,Mariah had major contracts in the 1990’s with Japanese and American brands ).
Conclusion :
Celine wins in DVD sales,tours & concert ticket sales…
Mariah Carey wins in :Album sales, Single sales,voice,talent,popularity,influencial power,musical and artistical contribution.
Mariah and Celine are equal in fortune.
Mariah is better because she wins in most things.
@The Reason
I know that’s also one of her trademarks, but I thought I’d leave that out ’cause everytime I ask a friend about her, I have to remind them about her body so that they know who she is (strange, but true). Not many singers, good singers I should say, have French accents but I know quite a few who can whistle (I’ve even heard JoJo on YouTube do it (kind of surprising)).
I agree with everything you say! I’m beginning to think Trish is Chimier from YouTube because she will not stop with her lies and insults to Celine and us. But I guess it can’t be since Chimier doesn’t give up. But she is a like a smaller version of Chimier if you know what I mean.
And to all the lambs -> shut up, read what we have to say, and research about your idol because you’re humiliating yourselves by stating the obvious and lying to us and yourselves. Don’t be like that ’cause no one likes that. :/
Not trying to be harsh though I don’t know how I’m being harsh.
I entered the contest for Celine and I really want to win!
@ Mandy
- ALBUM SALES : Get your facts straight. Mariah sold
around 165m albums.You inflated many of her album sales
(Mtv Live,Emotions,TEOM,Merry Xmas).
- SINGLES SALES : Mariah sold 55m+ singles and I can
prove it anytime.
- DVDS : You are so right and exact.
- POPULARITY : MC is more popular in Asia and
Us according to their record sales. I don’t see how you
speak specifically about Fidji Islands and Costa
Rica,since I bet you ignore the certification system
there & Mariah was never awarded in these places.And
Brazil belongs to Celine - LTAL is Million seller there.
Mariah has an airplay record there in 2009,still she
didn’t even reach Platinum with Memoirs.Plus,There are
European markets where Mariah is almost uknown, but we
can’t say the same about Celine in Asian markets.
- VOICE : Celine has a 3.5 range.More range doesn’t mean
better singer,because that would mean Madonna (4 octaves)
is better than Whitney (3.1 octaves) and Leona (2.8
octaves). I have been saying for months that
both singers have pros and cons in their technique
and vocal condition, so it is silly comparing them.
- INFLUENCE/LEGACY :
A) Vocal Legacy : You are 100 percent right. They both
have Vocal Legacy, but Mariah has more, cause more
artists credit her.
B) Musical Legacy : Mariah wins (Fantasy Remix etc)
Celine has none.
C) Cultural Impact : the influence of French language
has increased outside the nation’s borders,thanx to
Celine’s talent and success, according to accolades
Celine recieved.
Celine was awarded in mid 90s (Knight of the Order of
Arts and Letters) and in 2008 by Nicola Sarkozy
(Legeon of Honor) for her acievements and influence.
Her cultural impact is actually shown (apart from the
awards) by the fact that Celine always sings French
songs all around the world.On top of that her albums
always chart in non-francophone markets.
(Uk,German,Greece,Portugal etc).
There is no other francophone artist in the history of
music to introduce French music to the world,the way
Celine did.
D) Entertaining Impact : According to AEG,Celine’s
impact on the entertainment standard is the
bar all others compare to, after her extremely
successful Vegas shows.
This is also proved by the title she was given in 2008
”Entertainer of the New Millenium”.
E) Economical impact : I think only Elvis and Sinatra
managed to affect the economy of a whole city in the
past. Now it is Celine that reportedly affect the
economy state of Vegas. (This has nothing to do with
legacy, but is relevant to impact.)
- Producing/Composing/Songwriting : Mariah.
- FORTUNE : Celine was slightly ahead of MC in 2007,
when Forbes publicized their TOTAL income,coming from
the course of their careers. After 2007, Celine grossed
280m For Touring & sold 6m+ albums & sold 2m DVDs
& earns 500.000 $ from each night of her Vegas shows.
So, it is pretty clear Celine is richer by 2011 with a
bigger difference,compared to 2007.
Finally, LA Times clearly show how Celine was the top
earner. Mariah didn’t even make it to top 20.
@ Lies Lies Lies
LOL ! No,Trish is a unique combination of ignorance and
fanatism. She used to say MC sold 15m Dvds in Us.
So nobody can compare to my precious Trish. xD
Be ready to read some crazy theories and some serious
insult on Celine (nose,clown,ugly,comedian,irrelevant)
and so on. When you can’t speak with facts, you have
to insult..! ;-)
@ Lie Lie Lie
Are we you tube friends or sth ? :D
Send me a message there please. Thanx. :)
@ Lucky Luke :
- I am 19,so I am over 15 years old.
-I don’t try to prove you wrong ,this is you that try to prove me wrong cause I integrated Popdirt blogs before you .
-What you claim are not established facts,they are just interpreted and disguised facts.
-I already proved your sources are wrong many times
-The burden of fake facts is yours.
-I don’t give a **** you’re done debating,I didn’t integrate these blogs to debate with you.I’m here to post what I know on MC and Celine.
-Celine Dion voice is 2,7 octaves,Whitney’s vocal range is wider than Celine’s ( around 3 octaves ).
-Whitney always reach higher vocal notes than Celine and also lower notes,so she have more octaves than Celine.
-Celine never reach 3 octaves,unlike Whitney (in the songs How Will I Know,I Wanna dance With Somebody,I’m Every Woman,So Emotional,The Star Spangled Banner etc…Whitney reaches high notes that Celine never did in all her career.Whitney also reaches lower notes than Celine never did ,in the songs Why Does It Hurt So Bad,After We Make Love,Try It On My Own,etc…. ).Whitney has more volume than Celine ( I Will Always Love You, Didn’t We Almost Have It All, All The Man That I need,I Wanna Dance With Somebody,I Have Nothing,Queen Of The Night,One Moment In Time,etc…).
-Except for Toni Braxton,Leona Lewis and Beyonce have wider vocal range than Celine.Toni,Leona and Beyonce can reach low notes Celine could never do,Leona usually reach high notes Celine never reach .You just confound vocal volume with vocal range.
-If what you say is true,Mariah wasn’t paid for only Glitter cause only Glitter was a flop film in which she had a role .All others were moderate successes or good successes.
-For Mariah ,I have the royalties she have for all her songs per albums over Celine as argument and the significant number of her albums sold ,to say that she have more money from her albums sold than Celine,not just citation from magazine.Forbes only give Celine’s income from albums sold,Forbes doesn’t count albums sold.So, its estimation doesn’t mean that Celine’s albums income could surpass Mariah’s.
-Mariah sold 25 million albums in Japan.I would ask the source you gave to prove Celine’s 15 million albums sold in Canada just like you ask me to do,as her certifications there surpass barely 11 million there.
-All the other female singers mentioned here have great breath control,smooth transitions ,belting ability and soft low notes too,not just Celine does.
-And of course vocal runs is needed in Pop singers as well,so you didn’t excuse Celine against the other singers.Besides,Whitney Houston and Aretha Franklin are known worldwide for being the pioneers of powerful belts and strong volume,although they are mainly soul/R&B singers.Soul/R&B singers usually use more volume than pop singers. (Aretha Franklin, Whitney Houston,Mariah Carey,Toni Braxton,Boyz II Men, Brian Mcnight ). So,sayin that belting and strong volume is needed in R&B show how much ignorant you are.Did Madonna,Barbra,Britney,Cindy Lauper, Kylie Minogue,etc…. use loud belts and strong volume ? As they are pop singers ?
I repeat : I will always post the truth here unlike you, and you can’t prevent me to do so.You claim 220 million for Mariah ???
-Facts prove Mariah sold more records than Celine,not just re-interpreted sources.Facts prove Celine’s worldwide sales are behind Mariah’s .
-I show how Mariah sold more records than Celine ( not by inflating sales from biased sources ) and if you don’t accept it I don’t care.
-Since the debut I always admitted Celine is better in : concert ticket sales, successful tours,DVD sales,etc…On album sales and popularity, everything show the opposite.
- You say “ I DON’T WANT TO FIGHT WITH YOU ….” ,did I invite you to do so ? So why do you continue to spread your lies here ? since you say you’re done debating ,you don’t want to fiht,etc…?
I NEVER WANTED TO DEBATE SPECIALLY WITH YOU, I JUST POST MY POSTS AND YOU JUMPED HERE TO THWART ME WITH ONLY LIES AND BIASED BACK UP.
-Mariah got the Millennium Award because she was the best selling female artist of the last Millenium.The Millennium include all the 19th century and also all the centuries that came before.It was n’t called “ 1990 Decade Award “ neither “ 19th Century Award ”.It was called Millennium Award.
-Mariah album sales had reach 150 million by 2000.
-Indeed,you choose what to trust just like I do too.
-You lied many many times,beside most of your biased links.
-Internet features lies ,even though I got many infos from it. And not all my info come from internet.For example,I didn’t got the infos about Nana Mouskouri true total album sales and about many Mariah’s info from internet.
-I don’t just trust what is said by any source. I know most of them are mistaken or are just biased.
-Mariah’s vocal range is 5,2 octaves
-It is the largest vocal range for a female.No one surpasses it.Mariah hold this record since her debut ( particulary by 1991 when she had hit the G# 8 note at the end of her live performance of Emotions,outsinging even the piano ! She also outsing the piano in 2002 in her rendition of the American National Anthem according to Guinness World Records.
-Only by 2007, Georgia Brown ,equalized MC’s highest note,when she had hit a G #8 note ( obviously MC couldn’t reach this note in 2007,after so many active years in music ,like she used to at her debuts ).That’s why Brown beat MC’s record till 2007 for the highest note. But Mariah still beat her for the widest vocal range,as MC can hit much lower note than Georgia Brown.
-Whistle notes/register is not the main difference in range.There is also low notes,high notes and ability to SING the high notes,not to just HIT them,great flexibility and agility that are always more important when the vocal range is wider .Artists with wider vocal range also usually have more silkyness and smoothness in their voices.So the whistle is not the main difference.
-The Awards I mentioned are all international .Billboard and MTV are international Awards cause they honor not only American artists,but also Canadian artists,British artists,Spanish artists,Mexican artists,Jamaican artists,French artists,Columbian artists,etc…unlike Juno ,Prix Felix that honor only Canadian artists only or Victoire de la Musique that honor French artists exclusively.
-Most of Celine’s recent awards are local,not international.She haven’t more international Awards than Mariah.Celine reached Mariah’s level of success by late ,that’s why her important awards came after Mariah’s.
-Album sales would be the only thing in which Celine could beat MC.In fact ,she beat The voice only in concert ticket sales and tours.The other things you mentioned for Celine are just your opinion.
-Mariah is much more popular everywhere ,except for Canada and Europe while Celine is even not half popular Mariah is in Latin America.
-Celine was included in a few magazines during her pregnancy compared to Mariah.
-Mariah sold over 50 million albums in Asia.You fail cause you can’t prove she sold less.
-All Celine’s certifications in Canada are clear,showing that her true total sales could never reach even 12 million there.
-Celine pulls people on her concerts not because of her voice. Madonna ,Cher, Tina Turner etc…are all successful in concerts not because of their voices.
-Celine made duets to boost the reputation of her voice.The awards she won in the 80’s were not enough significant to bring her at international celebrity and popularity.She wasn’t popular even in whole Canada,but only in Quebec ( Celine wasn’t the most successful female artist in Quebec at the 1980’s ).So,she use all famous and reputed vocalists to back up and boost her own voice and career.
-Not just Grammy determine the better voices.The artists having the most Grammy are not the artists credited as the better voices nor the greatest voices.Madonna got most Grammy than Celine but that doesn’t mean Madonna have a better voice .
-Boyz II Men are vocalists ! In an article from Billboard Magazine in 1994,they were called vocalists.Wanya Morris,the lead vocal of the group always considered as a great Soul/R&B vocalist ! And the way they sing also proves they are vocalists. You cited Bryan Adams as vocalist whereas he doesn’t, the vocals he use in his songs ( Pop-Rock )have nothing to do with the way vocalists sing s!
-Don’t re-interpret my words.I said Celine equals to Nicki Minaj in the meaning that Celine can’t sing Nicki Minaj’s song like Nicki can’t sing Celine Dion’s song.That’s true.
-Yes,you would be better than Celine on VARIOUS LANGUAGES MASTERED,if you could really sing in 3 different languages,since Celine can sing in 2 different languages.Celine would be better than you on SINGING,not on the mastering of various languages,idiot ! You combine every assets . Besides,this is your process of thought,cause this is you that claimed formerly Celine is better than MC cause she sings in 2 languages unlike The Voice. See that the one having dumb process of thinking is you ?
-Mariah already sing Rap verses
-Halo is not an easy song ,cause Celine ( nowadays) couldn’t sing it as she couldn’t hit the low note,neither make the silky and flexible vocal runs.
-Mariah has much more # 1,top 10 ,top 20 and top 30 hits everywhere worldwide than Celine,even in this decade .
-Mariah tops every international vocal polls and ranks ,unlike Celine that never integrate even the top 5 of better voices.Mariah had break records by her vocal abilities unlike Celine.Mariah is the ultimate vocal model for every artists and every vocalists everywhere worldwide.Her voice is the bar all other vocalists compare to !
-Mariah still have her vocal abilities,proved mainly and specially by her last album Merry Christmas 2 You that is better than what Celine ever do vocally in her entire career ! Comparing songs and vocal performances from this album to songs from Celine’s 1998 Christmas album would only put Celine’s stans in an awkward position !
-There is any breathy song from Mariah’s albums.You couldn’t cite even 1 song having to back up this claim.Music critics also call Celine’s voice “nasal’ not in just 2 or 3 albums ,but constantly ( even though Celine sound less nasal in some records and more nasal in other records).
-Celine won awards for her show choregraphy because everyone though she couldn’t move at all.They were astonished as they saw she could almost “ dance ‘ like everyone and amused people by her comedic “ dance ‘.So they awarded her.
-Celine never won Grammy for Record Of the Year,nor Album Of The Year ,etc…as she’s nil on producing,composing and songwriting.Producers and songwriters won them.The only Grammy Celine really won are in the Best Vocal Performance category( in which she share one with Peabo Bryson ).Mariah got 5 Grammy Awards by her own !
-Mariah is the one to be popular everywhere worldwide,even in the tinyest places of the world ( Jamaica,Haiti,Fidji Islands,Solomon Islands,etc…).She also have # 1 hits in those places and influences artists/vocalists there.Cause she’s everything but not a robot.She’s a true artist.
@ Lies Lies Lies ( you nicknamed yourself very well )
-Learn that there is posters from various nationalities/languages in these debates for which English is not the native language nor the second neither the third language and that many people posting here may just improvise English phrases to express their ideas here.
-Mariah Carey sold much more records than Celine
-Mariah’s voice is 5,2 octaves,Celine’s is 2,7 the most.Christina Aguilera is the closest vocalist to Mariah in vocal range.Mariah proves she still have her particular vocal assets many times live,specially in her last album.
-Celine’s voice doesn’t even come close to Mariah’s .There is a lot of female voices that beat Celine’s and that are closest to Mariah’s.
-All Celine stans can show Celine beat MC only in concerts and tours,in nothing else.You also do exactly the same.
-Mariah Carey’s Merry Christmas is the best selling Christmas album of all times.It’s also the second best selling Christmas album in USA only behind Elvis Presley’s.
-Celine’s These Are Special Times is far behind Mariah’s Merry Christmas on sales and popularity.
-Mariah’s trademark is her unique and unreachable high notes ( that she sing ) and her whistles.Celine have no trademark,her nasality is a handicap,not a trademark.Even musical critics always blame her for it.
-Every artists are praised for their respective techniques,not just Celine. Celine have no particular technique,so saying she’s praised for her technique is stupid.
-Celine is the one who sing what other artists had already sing as every of her albums got around 3 cover songs the less,while most of Mariah’s albums have no cover versions.The few ones that does, just got just one cover,rarely 2.So she sells thanks to the past hits and songs of other artists.
-Mariah sells more albums than Celine
@ Lucky Luke
Mariah’s voice have any problems .Celine’s voice have innumerable problems,not only nasality and dryness and sourness.
-MC ‘s popularity is also shown by charts.Mariah even scored #1 hits in Latin America and Europe, this decade,while Celine reached barely the top 10 with ANDHC ( her best seller ).
Celine fans are going crazy ,they are so frustrated cause all the got to defend Celine is her concerts and tours ,nothing else.Lucky Luke is going crazy ! He said goodbye to the blog at many occasions ( 4 or 5 times ) but in facts,he always stay in the debate ,spreading falsified links and lies here since August 2010.Sad !
This reply concern the post 1 to post 10.For the foolish lies posted in the post 12 to the post 16,I will reply to them later.
@ LIAR TRISH
YOUR IGNORANCE IS UNBELIEVABLE. REALLY READ WHAT I WRITE.
- You attacked my posts first and you did again at
”Madonna Vs Mariah”so you are the one trying to prove
me wrong. Moreover you are the one that attacks my
sources. I never had to do that because you brought 0
sources. So once again, you are the one trying to
prove myths.
- You are out of control posting lies about vocal range.
To be exact Celine’s studio vocal range is 3.3 octaves
and live she has hit some higher notes till 3.5. Whitney
has reached 3.3 in studio and live she hit 3.1. Their
range is impressive and let’s not talk about Whitney.
The case is you posting lies or ignoring the fact that
Celine has a 3.5 octave range. Moreover, if I was a
parrot I would post here lies about Celine having 5
octaves range. (Many sources claim so but it
wrong.) Celine songs that reached the highest notes are
Dans un autre monde (live in TC) & C6 notes in Love Can
Move Mountains , Beauty And The Beast (Live in Memphis)
and so on.
- Leona Lewis has less than 3 octaves. You are a big
ignorant.And Beyonce’s lower is a B2.Celine’s is a Bb2.
Do you even know what C6 , B2 , Bb2 is ?
- NONE of Mariah’s other films were success. Tenesse ,
Wisegirls , Bachelors all floped. Only Precious was
successful. FAIL I already brought the budget and
grossing of these films so I don’t know why you insist.
- Forbes and LA Times actually saw Celine had more income
from album sales this decade. The 225m $ was about albums
sold this decade.
- I already posted the link to see Celine’s Canadian
sales and I can explain them again and again. You can’t
bring any source proving Mariah 25m Japanese sales
because it is A LIE ! Mariah sold 18m albums in Japan
and these sales were announced officially by Sony Music
Japan. Moreover all the certifications are on every
Mariah site. On top of that I brought certifications.
- Vocal runs needed in pop music ? Can you give me a
definition of vocal runs cause I bet you don’t know what
you are talking about.Stop copy pasting my answers,thanx.
- Aretha and Whitney have huge volume but why do you
mention them ? Did I post that Celine has the STRONGEST
Volume of all ? No, I didn’t.So you once again talk
alone comparing Celine to everyone just to make a point.
- You of course don’t know what belting is. You think it
is screaming and sustaining long notes so you prove what
an ignorant you are. And all the pop singers you
mentioned have used beltings. Even Madonna in ”Don’t
cry for me Argentina. Even Madonna who is not a vocalist.
- You never posted the truth here on sales. Only lies.
- Yes Mariah sold 220m records and if I have to just
babble what is said by her label or sources in Internet
I would say she sold 200m records.And No facts prove
Mariah sold more than Celine. And if there are
facts mention them. On the opposite internet , media ,
newspapers claim Celine as the best seller of the past
20 years. Don’t try to dispute internet,media and
newspapers on Celine. Just shows the ”everything
proves”.
- ”I show how Mariah sold more records than Celine ( not by inflating sales from biased sources ) and if you don’t accept it I don’t care”
LMAO ! You are a big joke. The fact that you copy past
my answers all the time WILL NEVER BRING YOU TO MY LEVEL.
You inflated ALL Mariah’s sales, you have 0 knowledge on
certifications , you CONTRADICT with her sites , awards ,
Columbia records.
You are a liar , nothing more nothing less.
- On album sales and popularity NOTHING shows the
opposite.
- I don’t debate but your lies will always be exposed.
:) Pretty simple.
- LOL at you claiming Mariah sold 150m albums by 2000
and as of the definition of Millennium Award,thanx I know
it very well.
It was about what Mariah sold during the 90s since her
career bagan in 1990. Too bad Mariah’s label put you in
shame for claiming she sold over 150m by 2000.
- I lied many times and posted biased links ? LOL !
When did I lie exactly ? when you said Celine sold 140m
by 2003 and then changed it to below 130m ? when you
said Celine influenced nobody ? when you said Mariah
sold 100m records more than Celine ? when you TOLD ME
YOU TRUST MAGAZINES AND I BROUGHT MAGAZINES THAT SHOWED
THE TRUTH AND THEN STOPPED REFERING TO MAGAZINES AGAIN !
LOL ! When did I lie ? when you said Mariah sold 15m in
Us ? When YOU said Mariah sold 15m DVDs in Us ?
What makes a liar ? ? ? ? ?
At least I support my arguments on sources, not my mind.
NOW CLOSE YOU IGNORANT MOUTH AND READ YOUR UPCOMING
LIES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
- THE ONLY WEAPON YOU HAVE IS INFLATING Mariah’s album
sales and DELETING Celine’s which is pathetic and I
could do the same. Actually everyone can. And if you
wanna call my links biased explain WHY they are biased.
The fact that they disagree with you and your delusional
theories don’t make them biased. It is simple.
- Of course Internet features lies,this doesn’t mean
that EVERYTHING in the internet is a lie. So may I ask
you ,where did you get the info on Nana’s sales ? ? ?
*waits*
I BET YOU WILL AVOID ANSWERING ! I AM SURE CAUSE I KNOW
YOUR TACTICS.
- At least you know sth about Mariah cause what you
posted on her Emotions perfomace is 100 percent right.
Still you should check Georgia Brown’s vocal range.
- I said ”main” difference ! LOL ! I choose my words
carefully. Of course ”main” means that there are other
differences and it is true that Mariah hits lower notes
& hits higher notes way easier than Celine.
- Billboard and MTV Awards award international artists
but that doesn’t make them international,cause they are
about LOCAL achievements of artists of indeed different
cultures. These awards never awarded an achievent in
Japan or Europe or Oceania so this is my point.
- Celine recieved World Music CAREER Awards in 2004 ,
2007 and one in 2008. Not to mention her local awards
(Europe , Canada , Africa , S.America ) say pretty much
everything.
- ”Celine is even not half popular Mariah is in Latin
America.”
LMAO ! Big LIE !
Maybe you should check their respective certifications.
If you don’t trust them you can take a look at Special
Awards. Or mind looking reviews on every Mariah effort
to sing a Spanish song.
- Celine is more popular in Canada , Europe , Africa ,
S.America and Oceania (same records but Celine has tour
success).
- Celine didn’t even put make up on during her magazines
photos cause she was anxious about the babies. She
avoided photos and exposure during her pregnancy. Fact.
- ”Mariah sold over 50 million albums in Asia.You fail cause you can’t prove she sold less.”
LMAO ! Is this your ability to debate ? Ha ha ha ha ha !
Ok,Celine sold 1 billion copies worldwide and no matter
what you say,you will always fail to despite it. :D
Am I good debater now ? LMAO
You have to PROVE what you say, and you don’t prove ,
you INFLATE. It is so fu**ing simple.
Plus, you are not in position to judge I fail about her
Asian sales since YOU ADMITED YOU DON’T KNOW ANYTHING ON
THEM. So your ASSUMPTIONS are not enough to prove I have
failed.
- Watch the link I posted about Celine’s Canadian sales
and tell me what mistakes are made. Plus open the CRIA
certification system. Maybe a Nieslen Soundscan search
would be helpful.
- Celine became known because of her voice. She is not
attractive,not mainstream,doesn’t have flashy hot videos.
People attend her concerts because of her voice and
improved stage skills. If they wanted to have fun and
laugh they would pay 20 dollars to attend the circus,
not 150 dollars to see Celine. Plus,ALL her songs are
demanding & usually tear jerkers. So usually people
cry or get emotional in Celine concerts. Buy some of
her dvds.
- ”Celine made duets to boost the reputation of her voice.”
Celine was considered a fenomeno back in Quebec thanks to
her voice,to begin with. She was not the best seller
but was really successful,even if you take into
account that she had to compete with
adults.Anyway,this is not the point here.Just check some
stuff please. Moreover she has won many awards
for her SOLO perfomances and even more nominations. On
top of that her harder songs are SOLO. Her biggest hits
- English or not - are SOLOS (My Heart Will Go On,
Because You Loved Me,Je Sais Pas,Pour Que Tu M’Aimes
Encore)
- ”Not just Grammy determine the better voices.”
Ha Ha Ha !
You are a joke. You asked what vocal records Celine has
and I simply replied. LOL . And Celine’s Grammy awards
were about VOCAL PERFOMANCES, so what you posted about
Madonna having more Grammy is totally IRRELEVANT. & I
mentioned her record of perfomances in both Grammy and
Oscars cause you asked for singing/voice records. :)
- ”Boyz II Men are vocalists ! In an article from Billboard Magazine in 1994,they were called vocalists.”
That depens on the definition dear.
Drumer —> plays drums
Pianist —> plays piano
Vocalist -> uses vocals. According to that even Rihanna
is a vocalist.
I used the word to refer to really amazing singers,but
anyway. I like BoyzIIMen so let’s get over that.
& Bryan Adams is a vocalist,by all means.
- ”since Celine can sing in 2 different languages.”
OUCH ! She has sang in 6 languages dear.
A fan should know that !!! &
I NEVER SAID CELINE IS BETTER THAN MC CAUSE SHE SINGS
IN 2 DIFFERENT LANGUAGES. That is so dumb and generic.
Not my IQ level , trust me. It is just you that
interpret what I say the wrong way.
- What Rap Verses did Mariah think ? I am asking this as
a fan not a debater, cause I really don’t know.
- Halo is easy. Check the notes of the song please..! On
vocal runs,you are right. Beyonce is better.
- ”Mariah has much more # 1,top 10 ,top 20 and top 30
hits everywhere worldwide than Celine,even in this
decade.”
Exept for the charts you asked . LMAO !
Plus,bring her singles chart peaks,if you can.
(I can do that any minute)
- Mariah tops FAN MADE polls. You support Mariah in all
the WRONG ways. You try to say she is better because she
was voted. I mean,come on TRISH ! Mariah was suprassed
by FAILtina Aguilera,which was a BLASPHEMY ! Not to
mention that these ranks fu**ed up Mrs Whitney Houston
which is freaking amazing ! Anything else you claimed on
MC ”every artist” is just lie. I love how you write
”every artist compare to MC” and ”everything proves
Mariah sold more” ! LOL !
”Everything” is a silly word to use.
And thanks for stealing my phrase ”is the bar they…”
- Yes, Mariah still has a great voice. Nobody said the
opposite. But I won’t bother ellaborating on that.
- Mariah whispers soft verses. Her most whispered albums
are Charmbracelet and Memoirs. This is why I mentioned
them. Why would I cite a specific song ? You will come
back to say ”You lie. Mariah didn’t whisper. She did it
amazingly”
- Celine got awards because she did a great job. Don’t
put your poison on everything she achieved. Still,your
biased explanation doesn’t change the fact that Mariah
will never be awarded for a choreography.
- TAKE NOTE TO THE ULTIMATE STUPIDITY :
”Celine never won Grammy for Record Of the Year,nor Album Of The Year ,etc…as she’s nil on producing,composing and songwriting.Producers and songwriters won them.The only Grammy Celine really won are in the Best Vocal Performance category( in which she share one with Peabo Bryson ).Mariah got 5 Grammy Awards by her own!”
Ha ha ha ha ha !
DON’T EVEN DARE OF SAYING YOU ARE CELINE FAN AFTER THAT !
LEARN , you ingnorant creature that Album of the year
(Falling Into You-1997) is awarded to artists. Same goes
for Best Pop Vocal Album (Falling Into You-1997). Same
for record of the year (My Heart Will Go On-1999) !
SONG of the year (1999) went to James Horner and Will
Jennings.
Finally,Celine won Best Female Pop Vocal Perfomance
for My Heart Will Go On which is SOLO.
- What are Mariah’s number 1s in Jamaica,Haiti,Fidji you
lying creep ? I bet you can’t answer that. I will laugh
while I will be waiting for the answer and still I will
never get an answer.
- No comment on the Xmas albums parody. Nobody beats
you at inflating Mariah’s sales. You even said it sold
over 18m copies. LMAO (Oh yes, go on and post that lie
again)
- ”Dryness and sourness” ! LMAO ! Still attacking
Celine with mean adjectives when you have 0 knowledge on
music pedagogy. Ha Ha Ha ! You don’t even know her real
flaws - because she has at least 2 big flaws ! Haha.
Not only you FAIL in supporting MC, you also FAIL
in taking down Celine.
- I said Goodbye to end this debate BUT you came back
many days after my final reply to post 6 huge posts
featuring your lies. And as I said your lies, will
always be exposed.
- What music critics blamed Celine for nasality ? ? ?
MENTION THEM if you dare.
3rd question you will be UNABLE to answer.
- As you see in this comment, I didn’t really debate.
I didn’t support Celine, I mainly corrected your
mistakes/lies. You LIED about Celine’s range , LIED
about her Grammy Awards and posted crap on her
achievements (I never did that with MC)
and voice (handicap) don’t bother coming up with new
theories,really. I will wait answers on Nana / Mariah’s
number 1s in Fidji and Jamaica / Critics that panned
Celine’s nasality in specific.
Of course I alredy laugh my ass out,cause you can’t
answer anything of these.Lies again…
As you see ”foolish lies” is YOUR DEPARTMENT. Nobody
touches you in this. :)))
What pisses me off is the fake difference of 100m records
you claim. I can deal with people considering MC
the best seller - cause she achieved huge things ,but
not with BIG FAT LIARS that claim crazy numbers with
ZERO proof from certifications.
01.I Noticed you only came up with the 300m records
theory when you had to take down Madonna’s huge
total sales. YOU NEVER claimed Mariah sold over 300m
records before. You came up with that lie a few months
ago at ”Madonna Vs Mariah” debate.
02.I also noticed you never managed to prove Mariah’s
200m albums by market (cause they are fake) and your
only reply was NOT ACCEPTING Celine’s sales by music
market. This is not what a debater does.
This what A WALL does.
03.Despite how many times you call me ”idiot”, I know
you think I am smart. Debating to an idiot person would
make you and idiot,and you are not. You are smart and
patient. You just never spent much time on Celine.
And this is definitely proved by what you post on her
awards,range,genres of songs,Grammy,records,even
certifications (I remember you denied Celine’s LTAL
album was Million seller in Brazil) or nicknames
(the nose,handicap,ugly,chin,robot,comedian,clown)
-> These are mean words.
CONCLUSION —>
Just leave this debate or stop posting lies. I don’t
know if you lie or just ignore things. I really
don’t ! Anyway,If you stop that attitude you have
been showing, I am done replying ,I promise.
PS
Oh yeah ! and don’t try to dispute Celine being a
cultural icon. This is not debatable at all. She has
huge success in non-francophone markets with many
French projects, (even live albums) ,she sings
French songs during her worldwide tours (even in Asia,
Africa,Oceania) since early 90s and on top of these she
has been awarded for what I claim in 2008 by the Prime
Minister of France. Even her lowest seller D’Elles
charted in Cyprus,German,Greek,Porugal,Sweeden which is
not typical or expected at all. No other francophone
artist ever did these to this extend and nobody will
ever will.
As of Mariah, I repeat in case it hasn’t been clear.
She influenced more artists (vocal impact) which is
pretty much logical and has great musical influence
(Fantasy remix). Celine has some vocal impact/influence
(LESS than Mariah) and doesn’t have musical influence.
And I repeat MC is also ahead in
- Songwriting
- Producing
- Composing —-> M you s I c I a n s h I p
as everyone knows because she focused on creating songs
and music,thanx to her talents.
Celine focused on extensive touring since 1984 and the
results are known.
They are both great and amazing and people that can’t
see these are just haters and should stay pressed.
-@ Lucky Luke.Madonna has 4 octaves of vocal range ? Why not 5.2 octaves just like Mariah or more? This is so funny and so laughable.That’s prove how much your sources are reliables,everyone could judge the validity of your claims by this obvious lie.Of course,you surely got some links supporting this absurdity.What a shame !
-Madonna’s vocal range is 1 octave ( Soubrette ). Christina Aguilera is one among the rare artists that have 4 octaves of vocal range.That’t why she can whistle ; she’s also considered as one of the greatest voices of the musical industry !
-Let’s talk About Love sold 200 000 copies in Brazil,while Music Box sold over 750 000 copies there,outselling every Celine albums there !
-Whitney’s The Bodyguard is the only English language album reaching million status in Brazil.
-Mariah’s Music Box sells over 750 000 in Brazil,more than any album from Celine Dion.
-Mariah is much more popular in Brazil and in the rest of Latin America than Celine.The Voice has number 1 Hits in Brazil since her debut in 1990. The only one popular song Celine got in Brazil is My Heart Will Go On since 1998, for her entire career.Mimi already have 7 number 1 hits there ! She’s popular in Latin America not in links,but in facts.
-Wide vocal range determine the quality and the capability of voice.
-You said Celine has 3.5 octaves range and Madonna has 4 octaves of vocal range ? Anyway, both are light years behind Whitney’s and Mariah’s.Whitney Houston’s and Mariah Carey’s vocal range are proved by their respective songs,not by biased links unlike Celine’s and Madonna’s.
-Celine is completely unknown in many Asian countries !
-Mariah is known in every European countries.She even surpass Celine in some of European countries ( Netherland).Moreover,Mariah has more impact on European artists than Celine as she has many European Artists that claimed her as her main influence !
Celine doesn’t have any European artist that really claim her as main influence.She just collaborate in duet with many of mainstream singers ( II Divo , Charice , Garou,etc..) just to boost her career that decrease considerablely nowadays.Any of them never said Celine influence them.Anyone doesn’t notice any Celine’s influence on the singing style of these artists as any of them doesn’t use nasal belts in their songs.
- The Voice is more popular than Celine in whole African continent ! Celine just got some success in South Africa more than MC.
-Cultural Impact : the influence of English language
has increased outside the nation’s borders,thanx to
Mariah’s influence and success in Asia ( also everywhere worldwide ) .Mariah’s cultural impact worldwide is shown through the international music that rule everywhere worldwide .
Her cultural impact is actually shown
-by the fact that Mariah is the ultimate non-Asian artist there,selling English –language releases per million all around Asian countries.She’s the main English-language artist that made Asian people interested in English language.She’s also the one that had spread R&B/Hip-hop culture in Asia ,Latin America,Africa and in Europe.
-Celine never bring French music all around the world,as French music sells only in Francophone countries.Just 3 or 5 non Francophone European countries buy francophone music.They are far to represent the whole world.
-Mariah is richer than Celine according to her multiple sources of incomes.
About what Lucky Luke said to the well-nicknamed liar “ Lies, lies , lies”,I have to say that your ignorance and your fanatism are unreachable.You even said Madonna has a wider vocal range than Whitney Houston ! Everyone see obviously who among you and me is the craziest fanatic !
Mariah beat Celine on :
-Vocal Range
-Album sales
-Singles sales
- Influence
-Legacy
-Vocal skills and abilities
-Worldwide popularity
-Talent ( Writing , Composing, Producing).
-Contribution on music.
-Fortune
-Worldwide cultural impact
PS : Celine won only Best vocal performances on Grammy.The producers told her what to do and how to do everything so she doesn’t really deserve the others categories.She have them just because she sang the songs.
-Grammy ,Oscars,etc,are not RECORDs ! The are awards ! What would record on that would be the artists having the most Grammy Awards and the most oscars ! You fail !
True vocal records refers to the abilities and the capabilities of a voice,not to regular accolades it receive,sorry .
@ TRISH
- I think we posted our replies around the same time so
I guess you didn’t read my latest comments (20/21).
Anyway.LOOK octaves are not a grade ! It is not like
when students are awarded for their hard work with high
grades. It has to do with high or low notes. And yes
Madonna has almost 4 octaves vocal range.
That doesn’t make her a good singer because
it doesn’t matter how many notes someone can hit.
The issue is HOW these notes are hit. (Placement,breath
control etc) And Madonna S U C K S.
Mariah is not great just because of her range. She is
AMAZING because of the WAY she hits all these notes from
ALL the five octaves. So quit your bitching about the
facts I bring,cause I don’t lie and I am not fanatic.I
have been searching A LOT on vocal issues the past 2
months.Little kids can reach the whistle register
because of their thin screams,they are not good singers.
Same goes for Madonna. I was shocked to find out she can
reach some high notes. No comment on Christina.
She strains notes from the 4th octave.PATHETIC.
- Let’s Talk About Love is MILLON seller in Brazil.
Celine has actually been awarded for her success in
S.Amrica
Here :
celinedioncharts.com/reportsandawards.htm
Just check her awards.
Mariah sold less in Latin America. Quit posting lies
PLEASE !Mariah is behind Celine in
Mexico,Argntina,Brazil which are the major
S.America markets.
PLEASE CHECK SOME STUFF ON CELINE ! It is unbelievable
that you claim to be a fan and post that LTAL sold 200k
in Brazil -.-‘
- I NEVER brought any link to prove Whitney’s range. You
just don’t have a clue about music. Unfortunately. It is
like I am talking to a wall. Whitney has slightly less
range than Celine. Celine goes
from Bb2 (low) - E6 (high) . Whitney goes from A2 (low)
- C6. These are notes by the way and the numbers after
the letter show the octave. Meaning Celine’s lowest
note is from the 2nd octave and her highest at the 6th
octave. —> 3.5 range. Whitney has 3.3 in studio and
3.1 live. They are pretty close. Whitney goes 1 note
lower than Celine and Celine goes 3 notes higer.
Higher doesn’t mean more powerful or better.
PLEASE get that straight in your mind.
- ”Celine is completely unknown in many Asian countries !”
LMAO ! Celine has number 1 albums in continental Asia and
her latest tour visited many of these countries and of
course sold out despite high prices. She is just not as
popular as Mariah.
I don’t know how many lies are left for you to create,
really xD NEXT ->
- Mariah suprassed Celine in Netherlands ? LMAO
Huge LIE !
- As of influence in Europe,no comment cause I said it
all above.
- ”Celine doesn’t have any European artist that really claim her as main influence.She just collaborate in duet with many of mainstream singers ( II Divo , Charice , Garou,etc..) just to boost her career that decrease considerablely nowadays.Any of them never said Celine influence them.Anyone doesn’t notice any Celine’s influence on the singing style of these artists as any of them doesn’t use nasal belts in their songs.”
Is there any POISON left ? I am wondering…
First,the artists that were influenced by Celine are
mentioned. If you can’t swallow this,it is ok.
Second,the artists you mentioned are not
European. Third, Celine actually HELPED all these
artists boost THEIR careers when they were UKNOWN. The
duet with Garou (2001) occured at the height of her
career, Charice was uknown and they never had a
studio duet & Celine was on a sold out tour already ,II
Divo also covered Celine’s songs such as ”Pour que tu
m’aimes encore” so if you think that Celine needed Il
Divo in 2005 to establish herself in Francophone
markets you are misled. She was the best selling
francophone artist since mid 90s and was awarded for
that achievement.
- ”The Voice is more popular than Celine in whole African continent ! Celine just got some success in South Africa more than MC.”
Ok TRISH, you are out of control. Even Mariah’s best
sellers didn’t reach top 5 there this decade. I happen
to know Mariah’s sales in Africa and you lie big time.
Celine started her Taking Chances tour in February 2008
in Africa and it was announced she is the best selling
artist there. African press confirmed it. You could
just check the press conference. And I don’t even mention
her sold out tours there.Even Taking Chances that was
her worst seller this decade reached number 1 at
S.Africa and went 2xP.A New Day Has Come also debuted at
Number 1. Africa is not even debatable. Don’t try to
seperate S.Africa from N.Africa cause you will only make
me laugh. There is not specific music chart in N.Africa.
You are already exposed for claiming Mariah
has number 1s in Jamaica and Fidji Islands WHEN THERE IS
NOT MUSIC CHART IN THESE PLACES !
- On the DELIRIUM of Cultural Impact, I think you have a
personal problem with me. What you wrote about Mariah’s
cultural influence cannot be explained by any
other way.You just hate me ! LOL ! English is the
universal language. No artist will ever be credited for
that. People in Asia learn English from young age, as
everyone other race/ethicity does, so English
are not uknown to them.
- ”Celine never bring French music all around the world,as French music sells only in Francophone countries.Just 3 or 5 non Francophone European countries buy francophone music.They are far to represent the whole world.”
Celine’s albums chart in Portugal,Spain,S.Africa,
Italy,Germany,Greece,Cyprus,Japan,Uk,Netherlands,
Sweden (ALL Europe)Agglophone Canada,Africa,Japan…even
Hong Kong.I can bring you peak positions ANY TIME.
Moreover everything you claim is insignificant because
Celine has been awarded. Read comment 21..!
And WATCH her movie : ”Celine:Through the eyes of the
world” ! You’ll understand why I am saying this ;-)
- Mariah is not richer than Celine. Deal with it. You
made up FAKE sources such as income from her acting.
FAIL .
You also deleted Celine’s sources to albums and touring.
FAIL
You even tried to take down her parfumes when you said
they were never awarded.
Another FAIL. (850.000.000 $)
New Info —> Celine gets 500k a night fo her new Vegas
Show. she did 20 sold out shows and over 80.000 people
paid high priced tickets —> 20 shows grossed
14.000.000 $ :)
- ”Celine won only Best vocal performances on Grammy.The producers told her what to do and how to do everything so she doesn’t really deserve the others categories.”
Oh ! That is sweet FINALLY
Unfortunately it is impossible to talk with you after
these. You know nothing about Celine, about sales
and nothing on music pedagogy. Only an ignorant would
think that vocal range means better singer.
This is the way you thought.
Vocal range = better ability
L.Luke said Madonna has more range than Whitney
—> RESULT —> He means Madonna is better —> he is
fanatic ! And like I said you couldn’t mention where you
get your info on Nana , you couldn’t mention Mariah’s
number 1s in Fidgi Islands ,Jamaica ,Heiti and couldn’t
mention critics that panned Celine’s nasality, because
all these are things you create. :)
And of course you will never be able to prove Mariah’s
supremency in Africa and L.America. All you can do is
repeating the same lies over and over and over and over
again. You are also really MANIPULATIVE. YOU said
Celine’s french records are promoted and sold through
Europe when you wanted to say that they are FLOPS.
And NOW you implied that her french records are promoted
ONLY in 2-3 francophone markets.
C O N T R A D I C T I O N again. & Lack of knowledge.
Stop acting like that and we are hopefully done,
I promise :)))
”Celine won only Best vocal performances on Grammy.The producers told her what to do and how to do everything so she doesn’t really deserve the others categories.”
Oh ! That is sweet <3 All Celine fans think just like
that ! :D Well she deserved all her Grammy awards and
even more as she is a good singer.
- ''Grammy ,Oscars,etc,are not RECORDs ! The are awards ! What would record on that would be the artists having the most Grammy Awards and the most oscars ! You fail !''
Maybe you shoudl define the word ''record'' or search
it up on your dictionary. You mentioned awards and
record and I replied. And actually Celine has a personal
record as she is the artist that was asked to perform
more times than any other artist at Grammy awards (6
times) and Oscars (6 times).On top of that I mentioned
the Grammy awards for VOCAL Perfomances and awards and
as everyone knows Celine won awards and nominations for
both her solo perfomances & her duets. Celine got
awasrds for her talent back in the 80s. Too bad you
don't have a clue. END OF STORY.
And I didn't mention them to prove she is better than
MC, I mentioned them because you asked for it. Simple.
-------- Now your lies on certifications/sales ----------
NETHERLANDS
celinedioncharts.com/bycountry.htm#denmark
mariahjournal.com/infozone/charts/albums/netherlands/index.shtml
Celine sold 2.9m albums and MC 1.5m albums.
Mariah recieved 13 Platinum certifications and 1 Gold.
Celine recieved 17 Platinum certifications and 4 Gold
and has many more releases there.Mariah has 4 number 1s
albums there and 6 others to reach top 10. Celine has 6
number 1 albums there and 7 others to reach top 10.
Saying Mariah sold more shows who the fanatic is.
BRAZIL
Mariah's first certified album is Music Box that went
Gold. (125k) Gold also are Number 1s and TEOM and
E=MC2 and Memoirs. Rainbow and GH are Platinum.
Here :
mariahjournal.com/infozone/charts/albums/brazil/index.shtml
I really don't know why you post these things on big
music makets,saying MC is big in Brazil. She sold less
than 1m copies there. (750k+)
As of Celine,everything is clear but I don't mind
proving you Celine's sales since you call her sales
awards irrelevant. You even deny and reduce her
certifications which is sad.
Stop copy pasting answers cause it silly and proves
your inablity to construct logic thought and articulate.
Stop posting lies cause I am a bigger Mariah fan than
you and know E V E R Y T H I N G on her. You still think
I am a hater and that's all your weakness, because you
post things/lies a hater would ignore. It would be easy
to manipulate a hater but it is IMPOSSIBLE to manipulate
a FAN. You have problems realizing that, but what the
hell ! Someday, you'll see your lies on MC have no
effect on me. I am sure you will. :)
* Typing mistake -> 750k come from MC certifications in
Brazil. Her actual sales stand at 1.2m there.
mariahjournal.com/infozone/charts/albums/brazil/index.shtml
This market is pretty much exact.
The certification system there goes like that :
Before 2001:
* Gold = 100,000 shipped to retailers
* Platinum = 250,000 shipped to retailers
Since 2001:
* Gold = 50,000 shipped to retailers
* Platinum = 125,000 shipped to retailers
Since 2006:
* Gold = 30,000 shipped to retailers
* Platinum = 60,000 shipped to retailers
”.She’s also the one that had spread R&B/Hip-hop culture in Asia ,Latin America,Africa and in Europe.”
There is no such thing as ”Rnb culture”. Try rnb GENRE.
I cannot spend time in this debate trying to educate you.
It is sad that a 19 year olds girl posts so many dumb,
irrational things that show lack of knowledge and
inability to participate in an intellectual discussion.
If Mariah or any other artist made a music genre popular
in places around the globe, this is called ”musical
impact” ,not cultural impact. And Mariah’s musical
impact is known and cited 100 times in this
fu**ing debate(1995 Fantasy remix blah blah blah).
The fact whether Mrs Celine Dion is regarded as a
cultural icon is not debatable,since countless awards,
charts facts,peak positions,songs and touring give every
answer needed.
Awards :
1) Medal of Arts and Letters
From France’s Minister of Culture Recognizing Céline Dion’s Status as the Best Selling French-language Artist in History
2) The Order of Canada 1997
Appointed Officer of the Order of Canada for Outstanding Contribution to the World of Contemporary Music
3) National Order of Quebec
Appointed Officer of the National Order of Quebec for
Outstanding Contribution
4) Honorary degree 2008
Honorary Doctorate in Music from the Université Laval
in recognition of her extraordinary francophone career.
5) Légion d’honneur by Prime Minister of France 2008
india-server.com/news/celine-dion-receives-the-legion-of-1337.html
B) Charts
Album D’eux : Charted in Following NON-Francophone
markets : UK (#7) , Japan (#50) , Sweeden (#9) ,
Portugal (#2) , Eurochart (#3) , Germany , (#69)
Denmark (#5) , New Zealand (#17). Even her lowest seller
”D’Elles” charted in non-francophone markets despite
the fact it was only promoted by two Tv Specials : one
in France and on in Quebec.
Singles : French Singles To Chart At European Hot 100.
Top 10 Hits
Pour Que Tu M’Aimes Encore,Je Sais Pas,Tous Les
Secrets,Tout L’or Des Hommes,S’il N’en Restait
Qu’une,Sous Le Vent and many other top 20 hits.
C) TOURS : Celine sang many French songs during her
worldwide tours. (Pour que tu m’aimes encore,J’irai
Ou Tu Iras,Je T’aime Encore,Le Ballet,Ce n’etait qu’un
reve,S’il suffisait D’aimer). While visiting
cities/countries/places worldwide such as :
Johannesurg, Pretoria, Durban, Cape Town ,Port
Elizabeth ,Dubai ,Tokyo ,Osaka ,Seoul ,Brisbane ,
Melbourne, Sydney ,China ,Japan ,Shanghai ,Korea ,
United States ,Continental Europe ,Agglophone Canada.
D) Records in NON-francophone markets
Yamaha Music Festival Awards
Best Song “Tellement j’ai d’amour pour toi”
Yamaha Symphony Orchestra Awards
Best Artist
Awarded in Japan for a francophone record in age 14.
Eurovision Song Contest
Grand Prix – “Ne partez pas sans moi”.
All these are esablished facts. Not theories. When I
use the word ”Facts”, I mean ”Facts”. It is
silly using vocabulary you can’t comprehend or define
(culture,nation,border) and even worse when this
CHEAP vocabulary use is the result of the childish
process of copy pasting my answers.
Celine’s career is not in a decline.
She sold 6m albums the past 5 years,grossed 280m dollars,
sold 3m DVDs and has the biggest contract for a live
entertainement show once again. She grossed 14 millions
from 20 shows. Over 80.000 people attended her show.
She is about to release new French album in late 2011,
collaborating with Luc Plamondon and this project is
expected to be a smash,like usual.
If all these seem like a decline to you ,go to a doctor
immediately.
Ok. These two singers are one of the best! They both have had AMAZING careers and have established themselves in the music industry but both have things the other don’t. Mariah Carey can hit higher notes than Celine but she can’t hold them. Celine Dion hits lower notes live but she can hold them forever. Personally I rather hear a LONG lower not than a short 4 second high note. In my opinion Celine Dion wins because of her success in making her songs popular all over the world especially her French songs because not of us don’t understand them but we still learn the lyrics ;D also even if she hasn’t sold the most records in a while but her talent and real emotions connect her to the fans more then say Whitney Houston or Mariah Carey can. But both are wonderful! If the actual singers don’t care who’s best why should the fans? Just enjoy the music!
-@ Lucky Luke.Madonna has 4 octaves of vocal range ? Why not 5.2 octaves just like Mariah or more? This is so funny and so laughable.That’s prove how much your sources are reliables,everyone could judge the validity of your claims by this obvious lie.Of course,you surely got some links supporting this absurdity.What a shame !
-Madonna’s vocal range is 1 octave ( Soubrette ). Christina Aguilera is one among the rare artists that have 4 octaves of vocal range.That’t why she can whistle ; she’s also considered as one of the greatest voices of the musical industry !
-Let’s talk About Love sold 200 000 copies in Brazil,while Music Box sold over 750 000 copies there,outselling every Celine albums there !
-Whitney’s The Bodyguard is the only English language album reaching million status in Brazil.
-Mariah’s Music Box sells over 750 000 in Brazil,more than any album from Celine Dion.
-Mariah is much more popular in Brazil and in the rest of Latin America than Celine.The Voice has number 1 Hits in Brazil since her debut in 1990. The only one popular song Celine got in Brazil is My Heart Will Go On since 1998, for her entire career.Mimi already have 7 number 1 hits there ! She’s popular in Latin America not in links,but in facts.
-Wide vocal range determine the quality and the capability of voice.
-You said Celine has 3.5 octaves range and Madonna has 4 octaves of vocal range ? Anyway, both are light years behind Whitney’s and Mariah’s.Whitney Houston’s and Mariah Carey’s vocal range are proved by their respective songs,not by biased links unlike Celine’s and Madonna’s.
-Celine is completely unknown in many Asian countries !
-Mariah is known in every European countries.She even surpass Celine in some of European countries ( Netherland).Moreover,Mariah has more impact on European artists than Celine as she has many European Artists that claimed her as her main influence !
Celine doesn’t have any European artist that really claim her as main influence.She just collaborate in duet with many of mainstream singers ( II Divo , Charice , Garou,etc..) just to boost her career that decrease considerablely nowadays.Any of them never said Celine influence them.Anyone doesn’t notice any Celine’s influence on the singing style of these artists as any of them doesn’t use nasal belts in their songs.
- The Voice is more popular than Celine in whole African continent ! Celine just got some success in South Africa more than MC.
-Cultural Impact : the influence of English language
has increased outside the nation’s borders,thanx to
Mariah’s influence and success in Asia ( also everywhere worldwide ) .Mariah’s cultural impact worldwide is shown through the international music that rule everywhere worldwide .
Her cultural impact is actually shown
-by the fact that Mariah is the ultimate non-Asian artist there,selling English –language releases per million all around Asian countries.She’s the main English-language artist that made Asian people interested in English language.She’s also the one that had spread R&B/Hip-hop culture in Asia ,Latin America,Africa and in Europe.
-Celine never bring French music all around the world,as French music sells only in Francophone countries.Just 3 or 5 non Francophone European countries buy francophone music.They are far to represent the whole world.
-Mariah is richer than Celine according to her multiple sources of incomes.
About what Lucky Luke said to the well-nicknamed liar “ Lies, lies , lies”,I have to say that your ignorance and your fanatism are unreachable.You even said Madonna has a wider vocal range than Whitney Houston ! Everyone see obviously who among you and me is the craziest fanatic !
Mariah beat Celine on :
-Vocal Range
-Album sales
-Singles sales
- Influence
-Legacy
-Vocal skills and abilities
-Worldwide popularity
-Talent ( Writing , Composing, Producing).
-Contribution on music.
-Fortune
-Worldwide cultural impactSorry,My posts are not up to date to yours.So I’ll reply to the last ones later.
@trish…you are so right at what you claim! the range of Madonna is no where near 4 octaves!..if she was near 4 octaves she would be able to hit an A2 high note which she cant!
and yes Mariah has way more influence than Celine Dion internationally and nationally being that again she has influenced beyonce, Christina aguilaer brittany spears etc…and Mariah even influences artist older then herself(shaka khan, patti labelle etc…)
and its hard to deteremnine whos a bigger seller, where trish is right again…mariah has sold over 50 million albums in asia whereas Celine bearly reaches 20 million! and selling over 64 million albums in US where Celine just reaches around 54 million!
@mandy you are right about some of those sales where but some of them are a bit exxagerated….but you prove whos a beter in you statements!
trish you claim everything so effortlessly!
@TRISH
What I meant, was that Mariah has to do what the singers of today are doing, which is to use her body to sell music. Of course Celine covers many songs. We all know that. But that has nothing to do with what I was talking about.
Mariah-Best selling Female Artist
Celine-Biggest Selling Female Artist of All Time
BIG difference. Celine Has sold more records than any other female artist in the world.(Don’t tell me anything about Madonna, ’cause it’s not true and I don’t give a bull)
Mariah sells records faster that Celine, but not neccessarily more than Celine.
Seriously, not even one Mariah fanatic will believe your posts because it’s so far from reality. Just give it up and I promise I won’t post any more :) Have a nice day!
@stop this haha and you say Mariah Carey can only sustain a 4 second high note? Mariah Carey sustained a 18 second high note and has sustained a 20 second belting note in the song lead the way! so if youd prefer to hear Celine Dion sustain low notes then Mariah sustaining 20 second long belting notes your idiocy is created by you!
mariah is the queen of music no doubt!
I think someone copy pasted TRISH answers so I don’t
reply to these cause I already did. I can’t repeat same
stuff because someone decided to ”copy paste”. LOL
Just hilarious and ridiculous xD
@ tane
Open a music theory book. Madonna has almost the range
I claimed. More range doesn’t mean better singer. The
better singer is determined by vocal placement , breath
control , rhythm , musicianship and so on. Madonna is a
BAD singer no matter the little thin high notes she can
reach.
Second, we already said Mariah has more vocal influence
and more musical influence. (Celine doesn’t have musical
influence)
It is a fact. So we move on.
Thrid, you said Mariah sold 40m in Asia and now you
posted 50m. Something is wrong with you. YOU Brought the
link showing 35m sales in Asia for Mariah and we agreed
that it PROBABLY reaches the 40m mark by now.
Finally, Mariah only sustains notes in THE STUDIO. Not
live. The only exception would be Vanishing in 1990. She
never held the long note LIVE in Without you or Forever
or Lead the way. Still these ”flaws” don’t make her a
bad singer or sth. She is still amazing.
Take my advice and think twice before you agree to the
complete crappy non sense Trish posts. She is a hater
with 0 knowledge on music and sales and on Celine in
specific.
ALL IN ALL
Quit posting lies people. Enough is enough. You have no
clue in music/vocal issues and you change the sales
”facts” all the time. Posting lies about Mariah
doesn’t make her any better. She is already AMAZING with
her REAL accomplishments.
It is a big shame to contradict with certifications,
awards and sources,but IT IS AN EVEN BIGGER SHAME
AND EMBARASSEMENT TO CONTRADICT WITH YOURSELVES. #C Ya#
@ tane
Please watch this.
youtube.com/watch?v=16nGam3AgNs
Madonna can ”sing” the A5 note and every note up to
A6 -.-‘
Therefore you can use your ears objectively to see that
this sound is annoying and bad ! She is a bad singer,
having range means nothing unless you know how to use it.
Hear Madonna hiting A5. It is awful.
- This debate is to determine who singer has a more
successful career. It is not a vocal debate.
Even if we prove the one has a ”better voice” we still
don’t prove anything on success, which is the real
matter here.
- Most successful career is determined by a combination
of sales (albums,singles,tickets,dvd) , popularity ,
income , legacy , impact.
Fighting over skills is pretty much irrelevant to the
topic AND NONE OF US HAS ENOUGH MUSIC KNOWLEDGE.
EVEN IF proving the best vocalist is somehow relevant,
talking about Madonna,Whitney,Beyonce,Aretha,Christina
etc IS DEFINITELY IRRELEVANT.
—> Conclusion —>
- Stop fighting over nothing.
- Bring sales facts to prove statements.
* sales facts = awards or certifications or announcements
or links or bio/label info and so on.
NOT Estimations.
Finally, stop contradicting with sources
and yourselves cause it is pathetic.
I post under this nickname cause the administrator doesn’t publish my posts under Trish nickname.
@ SILLY LUCKY LUKE
You attacked me first cause I was in both blogs ( Mariah Vs Celine and Top Selling Female Artist Madonna or Mariah) long time before you ! You integrated the Madonna Vs Mariah just to got the support of Madonna’s fans against lambs.I always discovered your intentions & tactics .You support Madonna’s fans to have their support for Celine against MC,coward ! Now,you admit yourself that you are not a Madonna fan.You manipulated Moff since the debut just for helping you ! Now,everybody notice how much you implore Lies Lies Lies to back up your lies ! “ Thank you,thank you,thank you”. – “Please STAY HERE, etc….”.” Are we you tube friends or sth ? :D
Send me a message there please. Thanx. :)”.He behaves like a so much desperate and hopeless person !This is so pitiful !Lucky Luke said goodbye so many times,but in facts, he still there .Really,this blog is driving him crazy ! Hahaha !
Lucky Luke say : “- I said Goodbye to end this debate BUT you came back
many days after my final reply to post 6 huge posts
featuring your lies. And as I said your lies, will always be exposed. “ This claim really proves how much the debate made you crazy ! “I said goodbye to END this debate “ ??? So,your own departure would mean the end of the debate ? Who are you ?Are you the administrator of this blog ? Did I integrated popdirt debates in your company ? You’re even not the one that started the debate .You started to posts many days after me ! Dear,I post my posts whenever I want ,this have nothing to do with you ! You keep yourself in the debate,not me,fool !
You complain constantly that you’re done debating ,nevertheless you’re still here giving as an excuse my presence in the blog !!! OK,stay in the blogs,however you’ll can’t accuse me as the one that had drive you crazy.
But anyway,I don’t care about what you think.These can’t change the fact that Mimi sold way more records than Celine !
Lucky Luke said: “ Beyonce’s lower note is a B2.Celine’s is a Bb2.
Do you even know what C6 , B2 , Bb2 is ? “ Really ? So ,Celine had already hit lower note than Beyonce’s at the end of Bills bills bills ? Sorry,her songs proves the opposite .Do you think that I don’t know what is it ? That’s why you put it here to confuse readers? Let me tell you that Celine NEVER, EVER hit a Bb2 note. I dare you to precise a Celine’s song in which she hit a deep note that Beyonce couldn’t ! ( Don’t lie by giving French songs or live songs that readers couldn’t verify on Youtube).LIAR ! Even Britney Spears beat Celine on deep notes ! Baby One More Times,I’m Not A Girl,I’m A Slave 4 U, You Drive Me Crazy,etc… Unlike you,I gave songs that everyone can verify.Hiding under techniques terminologies as “ B2,Bb2”,etc…is just a way to elude the ones that ignore technical language ,so that they couldn’t really judge by themselves the validity of your claim ! These ruses can’t make it with me,sorry.I’m too smart for that.
Lucky Luke said : “if I was a
parrot I would post here lies about Celine having 5
octaves range. (Many sources claim so but it
wrong.)” Anyway,who would swallow this crazy absurdity ? Just because it’s supported by a biased link,people would swallow it ? This is Celine’s songs that would prove she has 5 octaves ,not sources.Mariah’s wide vocal range is proved by her songs,not by sources .Otherwise,haters would always deny it ( some of them even try to deny the number of octaves she have,inspite of so many proves that back up MC’s exceptional vocal range ).As I never stopped to say,Sources lies ! They lie about sales,achievements,talents,etc…even about vocal range that is verifiable ! Celine has 2,7 octaves the very most.
Celine never reach highest notes than Whitney in any song . The songs you cite ( Dans un autre monde live in TC & C6 notes in Love Can
Move Mountains , Beauty And The Beast (Live in Memphis),etc… )Lucky Luke LIE !!!!!!!!!! I already listen to these performances,the high notes Celine reach in those performances are much lower than Whitney’s ! Whitney highest vocal notes surpass these Celine’s notes in many of her songs,specially How will I Know,So Emotional and I’m Every Woman .For the lowest notes,Whitney also beat Celine,sorry.Whitney’ highest note surpass Celine’s .
-If you call Madonna’s weak vocal raise in Don’t cry For Me Argentina belt,which artist had never belt ? So every artists belts :Rihanna,Britney,Mary J,Pink.Katy Perry,Alicia Keys,etc… so you see that what you said about R&B singers and belts is just stupid.
-Boyz 2 Men are vocalists in all means, whether you like them or not
-Not all my claims are addressed to you,but only the ones that reply.to your lies.I post my posts independently of you.
- “ I NEVER SAID CELINE IS BETTER THAN MC CAUSE SHE SINGS
IN 2 DIFFERENT LANGUAGES. “ .You’re right, cause your IQ is lower than that.
Moreover,Celine may sing in 6 different languages ,but she masters only 2 languages,not 6 ones.french and English are the languages she masters.MC had sing 1 song in Spanish language,and another one in Japanese.That’s doesn’t mean she “ regularly” sing in 3 different languages.Mariah had made Rap verses in Prisoner .By 1997 she said in an interview with RFI ( Radio France International ) that from her debut she had other songs she created in which she Rapped,but that her label didn’t allowed her to release them.
About vocal records,the ones you cited for Celine are records relative to the number of performances at Grammy and Oscars,not vocal records !Performances records are not vocal records .
-I don’t have to check the notes of Halo as I heard them on the song.I can say easily that Celine could never hit the lowest note hitted in this song cause I never heard Celine hit such low notes in any of her songs,no matter how this note is called technically.
-Mariah has more income from her total albums sold than Celine !
-You have to explain nothing since the link you posted about Celine’s Canadian sales lie itself !
-Mariah sold 25 million albums in Japan and over 50 million albums for the whole Asian continent !
-No facts prove Celine sold more records than The Voice ! Celine is far behind Mimi on albums and Singles sales worldwide !
Lucky Luke said to me :” The fact that you copy past
my answers all the time WILL NEVER BRING YOU TO MY LEVEL.” In what “LEVEL” do you talk about ? A level to use tricks,lies,biased sources and links to post in blogs? A level to implore other debater to helping you by lies and partialities ? A level to got the nerve for claim that Madonna surpass Whitney Houston on vocal range according to links ? You are right,I will never drop out in your level. I never use lies in my comments,neither tricks to got allies,neither implore whoever to helping me to prove anything.As all my arguments lies on real facts !
Mariah’s Millennium Award is relevant for the whole last millennium,not just for the 1990 decade.Mariah Carey achieve in just 10 years what any female artist never did while the last 1000 years !
Your delusional links and sources can biased facts,but they can’t change them !
Mariah has more international Awards than Celine.She has The Chopard Diamond Award. The Legend award and more World Music Awards.
Plus,Mariah has the Millennium Award over Celine ! Mariah won on international Awards !
Celine’s Awards came after Mariah’s,because Celine reached Mariah’s level of success by late.It’s simple !
I repeat that Celine is even not half popular Mariah is in Latin America ! You mention Awards for Celine’s popularity there? Since when Awards determin the popularity of artists for some continents and countries ? Mariah is popular there because they love her unreachable voice and her unique songs.She doesn’t have the need to try impress Latin American people by Spanish song,since she impose her very well in English song there ! Sorry,but Latin America belongs to Mimi.Celine doesn’t even close.
Celine didn’t Magazine cover cause she’s not popular enough to boost Magazine sales with her image ! So,Magazine institutions didn’t interested by her.Do you see how many web page and blogs that talk about Mariah’s pregnancy ? Mariah’s pregnancy is much more mediatized even in Europe than Celine’s ! Nowadays,Celine and Madonna are relevant only for concerts !
Mariah won the FUSE poll over all other female artists ! Nobody can’t deny that Mariah’s worldwide popularity increase more and more since the release of Merry Christmas II You that confirm Mimi’s voice still the better voice ever !
Nowadays, Mariah is the most popular female artist on the planet ! THE VOICE IS BACK !
At her debut in Quebec,Celine was impressive just to local wannabe artists.I don’t deny that Celine got some acceptable solo songs.But that doesn’t mean that she didn’t use the popularity of reputed and famous vocalists I cited to back up and boosted her own career.She won her first Grammy Award thanks to her duet with Peabo Bryson.
Boyz II Men are vocalists in all means ! Bryan Adams isn’t a vocalist.He’s far from it !
About Mariah’s Rap verses,just listen to Prisoner.Mariah said in an interview to RFI (Radio France International) in 1997,that she had many rap songs in her debut.But,they were all deleted because Tommy Mottola had prevent her to put these kind of songs in her albums.Since this time,she never continue to do it.
About Halo,I refer to deep notes and vocal runs,not to high notes ! I know that Celine can hit higher and louder notes than Beyonce,I never deny it !
I said Mariah has more number 1 Hits, Top 10 Hits, Top 40 Hits than Celine everywhere worldwide even for this decade.If you can prove the opposite,I await your answer !
I don’t try to show Mariah is better “ because she was voted”,I proved that Mariah is better by her assets and achievements that I am never tired to repost ! Then I show Mimi is much more popular worldwide than Celine according to:
- The FUSE Poll that she won over every other female artists !
- The huge mediatization that Mimi has since The release of her second Christmas album by November 2010 till Now !
- The Impact of her Anniversary day in every continents !
- Her Baby Shower that had celebrate by many personalities and fans from more than 50 different countries !
- The impressive amount of blogs and Forums that talk about Mariah’s pregnancy,achievements on Music,Skills,Records,etc…
- All these are what is called FACTS ! I didn’t give any link nor source ,but I prove very well how much Mimi is the most popular artist in the whole world !
- Maybe a few years later,there will be many links that will deny all these facts by saying Celine or Madonna was the most popular artists in 2011 because they made successful concerts and receive awards.Then increase their sales !
- You are the one that try to say Celine is better just because of her concerts ! She doesn’t in facts,neither Madonna ! Mariah is much more popular than them nowadays even in Europe !
Trish is right ! Lucky Luke dare say that Madonna has a wider vocal range than Whitney.It’s a LIE ! About long notes on stage,Mariah beat Celine by far.Just listen to Whenever You Call live at Australia (1998 solo version), Whenever You Call at New York with Brian McNight ! Listen on Emotions at MTV Awards (1991), Forever,Without You live at Madison Square Garden (1995),Mariah did what Celine never did since her debut till now.This is a waste a time trying to claim Celine hold longer notes live than Mariah.No one can beat Mariah in anything about vocal technique,skills,potential,breath,etc… Mariah beats.
Everything Trish said about Mariah’s popularity it’s true ! She’s really the most popular female artist on earth.Trish is also right when she said that Mariah got way more assets than Celine.It’s obvious.
About sales,Madonna surpass Mariah slightly.but Mariah has sold more than Celine.
LOL ! The administrator should ban you actually.
You are delusional because I first came here under
nickname Lucky Luke, posted an answer and THEN got a
reply from you. At the other debate we started fighting
when you came out of nowhere 1 month after we had
stopped fighting here. So I didn’t ever write a ”@
TRISH” comment before you wrote a ”@ Lucky Luke”
comment. I support the truth. And the truth is that
Mariah is more talented than Madonna, yet
sold less. Moreover stop complaing about the fact that
I talk to other people since you do the same about lambs
”You are right in everything you claim” etc. The point
of the debate is not mine or your popularity so that
shouldn’t bother you at all. Moreover my points are
clear and never changed by what others say.After these
thanx for spending 2 paragraphs to diss me with your
ghetto English.You are still delusional,
you are still uneducated , you are still a pathetic
excuse for a fan , you are still ignorant. And yes the
big lies you post will be ALWAYS EXPOSED. Take it. I
repeat it. YOU THOUGHT YOU WOULD RULE THIS DEBATE BY
POSTING LIES UNDER DIFFERENT NICKNAMES AND NOW YOU ARE
PISSED AND PRESSED I FIGURED OUT YOUR BULLSH** METHODS.
Mariah sold more than Celine in your daydreams. In
awards, media ,labels ,CERTIFICATIONS Celine is and will
be ahead. You are not in position to talk about notes,
since you have 0 knowledge. BITCH YOU PRETEND TO HAVE
MADE OBJECTIVE RESULTS WHEN YOU HAVE 0 KNOWLEDGE IN
MUSIC. CELINE’S RANGE IS PROVED BY HER SONGS and I
showed you the songs. Now go learn about music, play the
piano and see what Celine does, as I never posted a link
in favour of Celine’s range. Higher notes ,don’t
mean stronger notes. She used head voice during the end
of these songs. She was at the 6th octave when she
hugged Terry Bradoford at the end of the ”Beauty and
the beast” duet and did ” Beauty and the BE E
AAAAAST” with a soft voice. The fact that you don’t
know about notes and music doesn’t make ME manipulative.
The lower Bb2 note Celine hit is the introduction of
”New Dawn”. On live perfomances her lowest is a B2 in
”Have you ever been in love” live perfomances of 2003.
Surprisingly you were right on Beyonce’s range. It is
Bb2-F6 which means she actually goes one note higher
than Celine. You said the opposite but no big deal. As
of high notes Celine reaches C6 and you can see it at
the ”Let’s Talk About Love” recording sessions when
she warms up her voice, or at the end of ”Call The
Man” . Here is the video.
youtube.com/watch?v=vyPDSpL8M2k
As of belting ability every artist has belts. That
proves nothing. Like you said many of them are weak so
they shouldn’t be pointed out as singing.
On Whitney : youtube.com/watch?v=Aca37wT1b2s
These are the notes she hit.
Finally, if Celine doesn’t have vocal records neither
does Mariah. The fact that YOU consider online polls
reliable enough shows your intelligence level and your
tendency to manipulate facts. Moreover, I don’t even
know why we talk about vocals since this is a debate
about success. (Sales,Legacy,Impact,Popularity). No
matter whether Celine is better or worse, the only
relevant to this debate point that can be made about
”vocal issues” is that MC has a bigger vocal influence,
which is stated long ago here. So I think it is time to
stop talking about vocals, since that part of debate has
actually stopped.
Now on sales : you post :
”-Mariah has more income from her total albums sold than Celine !
-You have to explain nothing since the link you posted about Celine’s Canadian sales lie itself !
-Mariah sold 25 million albums in Japan and over 50 million albums for the whole Asian continent !
-No facts prove Celine sold more records than The Voice ! Celine is far behind Mimi on albums and Singles sales worldwide !”
All these should be proven by you.Sorry. This is what we
do here. We try to prove what we say. No source proves
your lies. You will never be to the level of talking and
explaining by real facts.You can’t articulate
properly and then you tend to copy paste answers. So
yes, I am not to the level of a girl that makes so many
grammar mistakes while talking trash, and I am not the
level of a girl that can’t prove her statements. You
mention your opinion and call it a fact. Pathetic.
And don’t play the ”I don’t know English” card again.
Write in French if you want. I bet you are that
uneducated in all the ”15 languages” you talk. LMAO
All Mariah’s awards you mention come from the 90s. Celine
has less World Music Awards but more recent, so she tops
MC. Celine has been awarded in every music for her
sales. You are that dumb to post as an argument that
Mariah is popular in L.America because they
love her unreachable voice and her unique songs. Wow
what an argument. How am I going to despute that ? Still
she doesn’t have HALF the certifications ,rave reviews
and awards Celine has. Sit down now. You also have the
nerve to say Celine is not popular. Funny how you still
use silly polls and magazines to support your opinion.
Celine doesn’t need any of that to prove she is more
popular in Canada, Europe ,Oceania and Africa and
L.America,as her records sales and tour demand
say everything. Even if we talk about polls she even won
a poll in Us which is not her strong market. (Harris
Poll. Funny how Celine beats MC in tours and ticket
sales even in Us and Asia. Neither Mariah, nor Celine
or Madonna are the most popular artists right now. You
have been 1 year in this debate and still don’t know how
to debate properly. You claim like a little kid that
Mariah has more number 1 Hits, Top 10 Hits,
Top 40 Hits than Celine everywhere worldwide even for
this decade.If you can prove the opposite,I await your
answer ! No dumb girl. First you prove what you say and
THEN I try to despute it. I won’t prove anything
opposite only because you posted something.
On popularity
”But that doesn’t mean that she didn’t use the popularity of reputed and famous vocalists I cited to back up and boosted her own career.”
No Clive Griffin , no Charice , no Garou , no Il Divo
were popular. So the artists you cited and then called
them popular shows how much you fail. The only time
Celine needed duets was before her low budget debut
album Unison in order to raise money for the budget
and I don’t see anything wrong in this. As everyone knows
Celine didn’t have anything ready in terms of promotion.
Moreover, everything you mentioned shows MC is more
mainstream and we know that already. Celine Dion has a
different fan base than MC. MC fan base is all over
internet as it consists of younger people, while Celine
has a more adult fan base. Your delirium leads to post
nonsense such Mariah being more popular in Europe. This
is right. She is more popular there because she sold 30m
albums less, 20m singles less , and her tours hardly
ever sell out. Based on that thought Celine must be more
popular in Asia, as she sold less…oh ! but wait ! this
can’t be as her tours are more successful there.Ooops..!
Celine has made way more TV appearance than MC on every
big show in Us and Europe (Oprah = record 27 times ,
Larry King , Letterman , Star Academy etc).
Why would ANYONE care if people attended Mariah’s baby
Shower ? Did they pay any money ? People travel all
around the world to see Celine in Las Vegas
(China,Africa,Australia,Ireland,Italy) and pay
high prised tickets ranging from 55-250 dollars but how
could this effect affect your little brain. Celine Dion
has a huge amount of sites that talk about her. I could
site six pages that exist in my country, which is not
even her big market. All in all Mariah can show off her
popularity by cheap mathods (Attendance with
no tickets, digital downloads , pressing ”Mariah” on
polls FOR FREE).Celine shows how popular she is, since
her fans and no-fans do everything they can to feel her
presence and listen to her beautiful voice. When Mariah
manages to have a stike of sold out shows you will see
what REAL popularity and REAL PUBLIC DEMAND is about.
Till then you will be hiting you fat ass on the ground
trying to prove theories that don’t exist such as
Mariah’s popularity in Europe. FAIL ! FAIL ! FAIL !
@ Gabmit (LOL) Go back to your trailer park. Learn
about music and see what I posted before. And Celine
held 16 seconds the ”I Surrender”final note at age 39.
”I Surrender all to you babeeeeeeeeeeeeee”.
No big deal.
@ All of you
Go find real arguments to despute me. You all fail. You
just repeat things, thinking you will top my opinion by
that. Babbling bullsh** on issues you don’t know make
you all look bordeline retarded. Saying something is a
lie while you are UNABLE to prove what is right proves
your INFERIORITY.
PS ” As I never stopped to say,Sources lies ! They lie
about sales,achievements,talents,etc”
If sources are not to be trusted then your delirium and
fake album sales estimations you have been posting
are not to be trusted either.
# FAIL #
& And like I said before NO PROOF on Mariah’s FAKE
Number 1s in Jamaica, Heiti, Costa Rica, Fidji Islands.
# FAIL !
NO PROOF on Critics that panned Celine’s nasality.
# FAIL !
NO PROOF on sources about Nana’s albums.
# FAIL !
FAILURE , Stupidity and Total Embarrassment.
Please,Mariah albums sales surpass 175 million .Even Wikipedia admit it in their lists of the best selling artists of all times .her singles sales surpass definitely 70 million.She’s as much rich as Celine cause she surpassed her in the 90’s.Forbes began to show and rank the top earners only by 1999,that’s why Mariah hadn’t top his lists.
can someone tell me in what song did Madonna’s voice had reach the A5 note and the notes up to A6 ?
@ Mandy
Here : youtube.com/watch?v=PiESAtYXlQE
She actually goes higher than A5, but sounds awful.
- IF you want us to trust Wikipedia then we should follow
that Celine sold over 200m albums.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celine_Dion
- Mariah’s singles are at 55m. Not more. They are
detailed on every of her sites. I want to see facts
proving MC sold 70m worldwide. If you can’t bring facts
let it go. And I don’t care if you don’t trust her fan
sites.
- Forbes list in 2007 counted income from the course of
their careers. It was not about the year 2007. And
let’s not even discuss who made more money from 2007
till today. You can search stuff on Celine to see her
real sources that are not limited to albums and tours
like the weird insect said.
My French posts are all adressed to Lucky Luke,as he said that I should write in French language cause my English havd too much grammatical mistakes and is “Ghetto “ .So, he’ll answer to me in French language if he dare !
@Lucky Luke : T’as pas a ricaner du fait que mes commentaires ne soient plus acceptes sous le surnom de TRISH puisque tu es toi-meme oblige de poster les tiens sous le surnom de UNISON depuis plus d’un mois avant moi.
Notre prise de gueule a pris fin ici quand tu t’es inserre dans l’autre debat comme un parfait ignoble,t’alliant a Moff et Shutup contre moi.Un blog de discusiion reste un blog de discussion,du moment que t’as essaye d’imposer Celine juste après Madonna tu m’avais encore provoque en tant que fan de MC puisque le blog n’incluait pas Celine du tout.T’es un sacre cretin,pas assez fute pour te mesurer avec moi.T’as flippe dans le blog de Celine et ensuite t’es alle chercher du renfort dans celui de Madonna pretextant de te faire passer pour un de ses fans.Y’a pas plus chiant que toi !
Oui,comme le fait tout le monde ici,j’ai déjà avoue a certains participants qu’ils ont raison lorsqu’ils apportent un argument base sur des faits.Mais cela n’a rien a voir avec tes supplications et tes demandes sans equivoques en vue de trouver un allie pour t’aider det te soutenir dans tes mensonges et dans tes saloperies de liens et sources.T’es un ptit merdeux Lucky ,rien du mec qui en a dans cervelle.
Mon anglais de banlieue ? Pardon,mais tu te gourres mon loulou.J’ai jamais vecu en banlieue de toute ma vie.Par ailleurs, cela ne voudrait rien dire quant aux idees vehiculees ici.Les personnes vivant en banlieue n’ont rien a envier aux tares de ton genre.
Tu me traite d’ineduquee quand toi tu fais preuve d’immaturite et d’obsession.Tu souffre d’une pathologie grave mon grand.Tu ne detiens pas meme un centieme de ce que je sais.Le seul ignorant ici c’est toi.
Tu esperais que tout le monde avalerait tes saloperies de liens sans meme les remettre en question? Pour qui tu te prend ?
Mariah est a des annees lumieres de Celine en ce qui a trait au talent et au success.Celine ne lui arrive meme pas a la cheville !
Comme tu le sais toi-meme,quasiment tous les Prix gagnes par Dion n’ont rien a voir avec ses reels accomplissements,ils reposent tous sur des donnees inventees et sont donc invalides.
Concernant ses certifications de vente,quasi la moitie reposent sur des ventes fantomes,notamment en Europe.
Ce que je sais de la musique ne provient pas principalement de liens internet contrairement a toi espece de ptit branleur !Je ne vais pas te reveler mes sources,navree !Je ne compte pas partager avec les ptits merdeux.
Tu mens avec l’allegresse d’un poete en postant tes mensonges sur les aptitudes vocales de Celine et de Madonna.Aucune des deux ne depassent deux octaves et demi. Au sujet de Madonna, tout le monde ici decouvre a quel point tu es un menteur debile quant tu insiste qu’elle depasse Whitney en registre vocal et en nombre d’octaves ! Avec pour tout support et argument ,un minable lien Youtube.Penses-tu vraiment qu’une ridicule banalite postee sur YouTube prouverait ce que plus de 20 albums n’ont jamais prouve ?? Quelle honte !
S’il est vrai que Madonna possederait quatre octaves mais ne peut les exploiter faute de technique,cela sous-entendrait que les enfants de moins de cinq ans maitrisent beaucoup mieux leur voix et ont beaucoup plus de techniques et controle que Madonna et Celine reunies en ce qui a trait aux techniques vocales ? Puisque les enfants emettent des notes atteignant les aigus et le registre sifflet (comme Mariah Carey ) sans meme s’en rendre compte. Quelle paradoxe !
Ecoute moi ecervele de branleur ! Le registre sifflet commence a partir de trois octaves et demi. A partir de trois octaves de registre vocal,n’importe qui peut chanter des notes tres aigus comme Whitney Houston “ The Land Of The Freeee…” ,a la fin de “ So Emotional “dans L’hymne National Americain The Star Spangled Banner “.Dans toute sa carriere de chanteuse,Celine n’a jamais atteint une note aussi aigue,que ce soit sur scene ou en studio ! Encore moins que les notes tres elevees de Whitney dans “I’m Every Woman”,” If You Say My Eyes Are Beautiful “,…etc… Pas besoin de liens pour le savoir,car les personnes creant les liens donnent leur propre interpretations des musiques contrairement a nos Oreilles qui ne peuvent mentir et qui constituent l’appareil de mesure le plus fiable.
Concernant Celine tenant une note de 16 secondes sur scene,c’est rien du tout.Celine peut donner une tres longue note en vocalisant sur un mot,ce qui est fres facile.Mais SEULE Mariah Carey ( ensuite (Whitney) peut maitriser sans souffler ,pour CHANTER des notes vocales tres eleves et tres haut-perches ,tres rapprochees les unes des autres sans prendre de pause . Celine ne peut donner de telles prestations ,pas meme dans ses reves !
Il y a une tres grande difference entre VOCALISER et CHANTER.Mariah et Whitney ne font pas que vocaliser sur des mots contrairement a Celine.Elles CHANTENT leurs notes surelevees.Pas seulement tenir de tres longues notes . Tenir une note de tres longues notes n’est pas si impressionant face a Chanter plusieurs couplets sur des notes SURELEVEES ! Mariah est unique et inegalable quant aux techniques vocales et de chanson !
Mimi est beaucoup plus populaire que Celine dans le monde entier !
Oui Mariah est plus populaire que Celine en Amerique du Sud parce que sa musique se vend mieux que celle de Celine et y est bien plus appreciee que celle de Celine ! Ses nombreux numero un et Top dix en sont la preuve tangible !
Je repete que Celine a du succes seulement en tournee ,cela n’implique pas qu’elle soit aussi populaire que “La Voix “ !
Le Harris poll n’etait pas vraiment fiable puisqu’en aucun cas Celine ne saurait battre des legends telles que : Elvis Presley,Michael Jackson,Mariah Carey,Whitney Houston et meme Madonna aux Etats-Unis. Rien ne le prouve,seuls les concerts a Las Vegas ne donnent pas force a cet argument.Celine n’a meme pas un Hit numero un aux Etats-Unis pendant l’entiere decennia 2000.En quoi serait-elle plus populaire au juste ?
Par ailleurs, le sondage d’Harris concernait seulement le territoire americain contrairement a celui de FUSE qui concerne le monde entier !
Au sujet des Hits cumules pour la decennie 2000.
Celine’s Top 20 Hits at 2000-2010 in Hot 100 Charts
- I Want You To Need Me (# 1 in Canada )
- Sous Le Vent ( # 1 France , # 1 Belgium )
- A New Day Has Come ( #2 Canada, #2 Switzerland, # 7 UK, # 6 Germany,# 13 Belgium, # 19 Australia )
- I’m Alive (#2 Belgium ,#4 Germany,#7 france, #7 Switzerland,#17 UK)
- I Drove All Night (#1 Canada,#18 Belgium,#11 Switzerland)
- Tout L’or Des Hommes (#2 Canada, #5 Belgium,#3 France,# 10 Switzerland)
- Je T’aime Encore ( #14 France,# 16 Germany)
- Je Ne Vous Oublie Pas (#4 Belgium, #2 France)
- Tous Les Secrets (#20 France)
- S’il N’en Restait Qu’une ( # 4 Belgium, #1 France)
- Taking Chances (#9 Canada,#7 France,# 5 Switzerland)
Total # ones Hits : 5
Total Top 10 Hits : 17
Total Top 20 Hits : 9
TOTAL : Top 20 Hits : 31
Celine has ZERO Top 20 Hit in US Chart for the whole 2000 decade !
Mariah’s Top 20 Hits at 2000 – 2010 :
-Against All Odds : (# 1 UK,#18 France,#20 Switzerland)
-Thank God I Found You ( #1 US, #2 Canada,#17 Switzerland)
-Loverboy (#1 Japan,#2 US, #7 Australia, #3 Canada, #12 UK )
-Through The Rain ( #1 Spain, # 5 Canada,#7 Switzerland,#8 UK, #11 Netherland,#1 Phillipines, #15 Australia, #7 Italia )
-Boy I Need You (#17 UK)
-Bringin On The Heartbreak (#1 Phillipines)
-I Know What You Want (#1 Romania,#3 US,#3 Australia,#3 UK,#5 Canada,#9Germany,#4 Netherland,#7 New Zealand,#5 Switzerland,#8 Belgium,#7 Danemark,#2 Hungary,#4 Ireland,#4 Italia, #6 Norgevian,#11 Sweden)
-Lil’ Love (#6 New Zealand)
-It’s Like That ( #1 Japan,#1 China,#1 Cyprus,#3 Hungaria,#11 Ireland,#7 Italia,#13 Norgegian ,# 16 US, #4 UK,# 9 Australia, #16 France,#14 Germany,#1 Israel, #10 Switzerland, #19 Danish,#13 Netherland)
-We Belong Together (#1 US,#1 Australia, #12 France,#11 Germany,#2 Netherland,#4 Switzerland)
-Shake It Off (#2 US,#6 Australia, #9 UK, #5 New Zealand )
-Get Your Number ( #9 UK,# 19 Australia ,#7 Germany, #10 Netherland,#14 Switzerland)
-Don’t Forget About us (#1 US,#11 UK,#12 Australia, #12 New Zealand,# 19 Switzerland )
-Touch My Body ( #1 US, # 5 UK, #17 Australia, #2 Canada,#16 France,#6 Germany,#14 Netherland,#3 New Zealand,#3 Switzerland)
-Bye Bye ( #19 US, #7 New Zealand)
-Obsessed ( #7 US, # 13 Australia,#15 Canada,# 8 France)
-I Want To Know What Love Is (#1 Brazil,#3 Japan,#14 Danemark, #6 France, #6 Hungary,#19 UK )
Total of number 1 Hits: 15
Total of Top 10 Hits : 46
Total of Top 20 Hits : 33
TOTAL of Top 20 Hits : 94
SO, MARIAH CAREY GOT MORE THAN 3 TIMES CELINE’S TOP 20 HITS WORLDWIDE.
MIMI GOT MUCH MORE HITS EVEN IN 2000 DECADE THAN CELINE WORLDWIDE !
@ Gutterfly
Wow ! You are that dumb in your native language as well.
I had to translate some of the words you used, cause
I didn’t know the meaning and even Google or a dictionary
couldn’t help me.
I WILL BE CLEAR : TAKE NOTE
FIRST
Get over the whole nickname games I played after I
understood what you did. Moreover get over the thought
that I was somehow affected by what others said and
therefore ”needed” people to support me. And I am not
a Madonna fan at all, I just like some of her songs. As
of mental problems nobody touches you since you are the
person to claim falsified Mariah facts again again and
again and then being unable to prove them. (Number 1s
Jamaica, Selling 200m by country when your sales showed
160m+,15m DVDs in Us and so on). Sorry, I can’t look
worse than that even if I tried. On top of that you have
been making a fool of yourself by contradicting on the
Celine myths you claimed. (Over 145m by 2003 and then
below 130m by 2003 and so on)
SECOND
No explanation why my links are biased. The fact that
they show Celine above Mariah is not enough. FAIL
THIRD
”Mariah est a des annees lumieres de Celine en ce qui a trait au talent et au success.”
—> Bitch, this is the topic of the debate. Don’t
repeat it. This is what is needed to be proven by facts.
Repeating Something = FAIL
FOURTH
I am done talking on vocals etc cause you know sh**.
Mariah has more vocal influence and this is what matters
for that debate, since we talk about success. Anything
else on Celine’s range is pure FAIL.
FIFTH
I love how you deny all the awards and accolades the
Queen recieved. You deny her Grammy, her World Music
Award, her accolades by the Prime Minister of France,
her awards and impact on entertainement and so on.
On top of these you trust ONLINE POLLS where a kid could
press ”Mariah Carey” FOR FREE many times based on how
many e-mails he/she has. -.-‘
How dumb.How FAIL !
SIXTH
I didn’t see Mariah Number 1s from Jamaica,Heiti,Fidji
Islands. FAIL
I didn’t see the music experts that panned Celine’s
nasality. FAIL
I didn’t see where you searched Nana’s sales. FAIL
Stay pressed dumb insect..!
Your singles list made me laugh. It is ridiculous how
you took into account N.Zeland and China and Cyprus and
”forgot” Eurochart and United World Chart. Even Quebec
is bigger than N.Zeland where a single is platinum for
selling the ridiculous amount of 10.000 copies and 5.000
for gold. Once again you proved how reliable you are.
FAIL
You mentioned HALF Celine singles and avoided mentioning
Mariah’s countless FLOPS (Bringing on the heartbreak,
Up out my face,Hateu,Angels Cry,Fly Like A Bird and so
on).
FAIL
”Celine has a 2.7 octave range.”
Ok dumb cow…Since you insist and since you seem so
sure about that…I dare your fake ass to tell me which
notes EXACTLY are these that make her range 2.7 octaves
IN SPECIFIC. LMAO !
You won’t be able to answer that…Like you couldn’t
reply to the previous B U L L C R A P you posted.
So—> FAIL !
Stay pressed crazy bitch. <3
BIGGEST FAIL AND PARODY = FUSE POLL
”Congratulations everyone! Thanks to your votes, Mariah advanced to the final round and is now up against Fergie in FUSE’s “Battle of the Fans: Which Diva Has The Best Fans?” poll.Cast your votes NOW! Mariah is currently trailing behind with 39.59%.”
Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha !
So Fergie must be the most popular singer worldwide
according to this reliable online poll ! Ha Ha Ha !
Or the 2nd one if she loses to MC. Great Poll..!
Should I mention that BIG FEMALE NAMES of the industry
were not even ”nominated” ? ? ?
LMAO ! What a parody ! What a FAIL !
somariahcarey.com/celebritynews/mariah-final-round-fuses-poll-vote
And all that by voting FOR FREE ! LOL ! I even voted
MC twice. She must be the most popular then in my
neighbourhood. xD
Thank God REAL FANS actually buy albums ,dvds and
tickets to concerts and everything related to the artist
(soundtrack,parfumes and so on). Mariah’s popularity
is in decline since early 00’s. She had one good moment
in 2005 and after that no success at albums, DVDs or
concerts. At least Celine’s lower seller is certified
gold,platinum or multiplatinum at all important markets,
her tour/show demand is unreachable and she sold more
copies of DVDS in 2010 than Mariah did with her ALBUMS.
And that with 0 promotion, while Mariah had to give
3-4 interviews on big Us chanels. Celine did NOTHING.
Yet she sold !
As of the Harris Poll back in 2009 Celine had to
compete with REAL LEGENDS such as U2, MJ , Elvis
, The Beatles and she took the all down. Nobody would
compare Celine with mainstream trash such as Katty Perry
and Fergie.
Celine is in a class of her own. On another LEVEL.
She even suprassed Elvis and Sinatra in terms of
popularity/impact on entertainment live shows. No other
artist ever managed to leave that impact on a whole CITY
before, even affecting the economy state.
FINALLY to reply to the magazines B U L L C R A P about
Celine being irrelevant to magazines :
“Dion isn’t here to perform. She’s here to kill it. Again… she isn’t aiming for applause. She’s looking for rapture.” – USA Today
“A magnificent masterpiece! Celine has singlehandedly redefined class and elegance in onstage performances. Her voice is sent from the angels.” – Las Vegas Sun
“Dion magnificent in new Las Vegas show….One hell of a show!…Jaw-dropping…Grandiose, yet intimate…Pure entertainment of the highest order…Worth every penny!! – Montreal Gazette
“It’s the show of shows, and may not be matched in Las Vegas for a long time!” – Las Vegas Review-Journal
“Celine Dion’s Vegas show more spectacular than ever! If her last show sold out for five years, this one should make it for ten.” – Toronto Star
Celine is Las Vegas’ “biggest act since Elvis.” – Newsw
”Celine Dion made a triumphant return to the stage of The Colosseum at Caesars Palace and became the Number #1 show in North America according to Billboard Magazine’s BOXSCORE listings.”
ftnnews.com/accommodation/12409-celine-dion-made-a-triumphant-return-to-the-stage-of-the-colosseum-at-caesars-palace.html
& Hello , France Dimanche Covers
Not to mention how many interviews and cover magazines
she did back in 2001/2002 with her son, after her
pregnancy.
And that’s just a bonus :
youtube.com/watch?v=2yuHC1TZBwU
FIRST we do some REAL research and THEN we post comments.
Honestly,I love both Mariah Carey and Celine Dion.I think that Trish and Lucky Luke are both crazy cause they fight about these legends since many months.
It’s obvious that Mariah is most talented than Celine,but Celine is more humorist…Lol ! Both are great ! Please Trish,Please Lucky Luke,STOP this stupid war ! You become seriously fool … Lol ! Let’s say that both Celine and Mariah are equal to stop this feud ok ? Trish and Lucky Luke don’t reply anymore,don’t post comments in this blog,take advantage of the life ! You both are very smart and very great debaters,but it’s time to say goodbye. Peace everyone,I love you all !
@ POST 46 (PEACE)
I agree with you.
I know Mariah equals Celine and the opposite and
EVERYONE can read this at post 15. Post 15 in my CLEAR
opinion on both ladies. I gave MC credit for
musical and vocal impact and musicianship & Singles.
*Musicianship = Compose,Songwriting,Producing.
Am I hater for giving Celine credit for cultural and
entertainement impact ? ? ?
The whole thing is that I just can’t stand mean people.
When I read that Celine fills stadiums because she
is a CLOWN, I have to reply. Same thing happens
when I read mean things on Celine’s voice,
and appearance. (ROBOT,NASAL,UGLY,THE NOSE)
I don’t know why someone should have so much hatred in
their souls to call all the accomplishments and awards
of an artist Irrelevant,Biased and Crap.
I can deal with people considering MC the best seller
for a sales difference of like 10m or 20m records, cause
this is their opinion. But Mariah being ahead of Celine
for around 100m records ? Gimme a break, LOL .
These comments are posted just to provoke. Read my
replies to see I am civil towards MC.
I am not crazy. I am pissed by rude,ignorant people that
have a little brain & big mouth.
Worst Combination.
@tane I didn’t mean she just holds 4 second notes. Its just Celine can hold her notes way longer than most female singers. And if I can hear a note that’s held for 30 or 40 seconds is better than a 14 second high note. But all this fighting is stupid and you guys need to grow up and do something else with your lives -_-
@stop this haha: and yet you continue to argue:/
@tane well I’m not arguing I’m saying it calmly. I don’t know how people here read the comments so…
Sorry,Madonna has 1,5 octaves of vocal range according to the vocals in her albums .She’s known as a soubrette there are some songs,not many that Madonna shows her talent.She has some ability to cross-over the R&B appeal ( classified as a soubrette ).
Check this : world 4 Madonna .com Madonna ,biography,height,age,birthday,life,children,career…
So you have heard ALL the albums ? Why do you have a
problem realising what is real and what is fake ? Why
do you have a problem accepting the truth as it is ?
Madonna can just hit high notes, she can’t sing them so
she is a bad singer no matter what. Actually I hardly
believe that the 1.5 octaves you mention are the only
notes she sounds decent. So if we take it that way, yes
Madonna must have 1.5 octaves range.
What I was trying to say is that vocal range in general
is not an argument to support an artist.
Of course Mariah’s insane range AND her ability to
SING all these notes make her amazing.
The vocal discussion is over. It is a FACT Mariah
influenced many young artists and this is what matters.
All in all, Celine and Mariah are both great, both
legends. Both have their pros and cons in
vocals,sales,lifes,skills and so on, so give them a
rest.
Take care everyone.
OK,I agree.
PS:Mariah influenced not only young artists precisely.(Backstreet Boys,Beyonce, Chaka Khan,Patti Labelle,Christina Aguilera,Justin Timberlake,etc… are not young artists.but I agree with you Lucky Luke, no comments anymore,Celine and Mariah are both very great.Both are almost the same anniversary day,both have twins,both are great vocalists,both are exceptional sellers,etc…About Madonna,let’s don’t mention her anymore in this debate.Peace everyone !
This Year!! I think if we compare their voice and performances..,Celine is the best!! Nothing change since from the beginning..,
While Mariah totally lost her voice and her songs are digitally manipulated..,
let’s accept the truth and the fact!!
@CELINE 2011.And blablabla….”Celine is the best” in what exactly? In clown around in front of million people on stage? In releasing “nasal emotions”? In which performance Celine surpass Mariah’s ? At the circus ?
You already claim these kind of delirium before the release of her incredible Christmas album.
You said that Mariah’s voice is digitally manipulated? You just forget that Celine is entirely manipulated,not just her nasal voice.Celine is a puppet,not a real artist.Don’t you get shame to say this foolish absurdity? Anyway,this not astonished since some delusional Celine fans already claim Madonna surpass Whitney on vocal range ! What will do you bring tomorrow ? That Celine beats The Voice on Writing and Producing skills? When will you accept that the main talents of your idol jokes and pull faces? Celine’s voice can be compare with Madonna,Gaga,Lauper,etc…Mimi belongs to another level,another league.Even if Mariah would become mute,she would stay a better vocalist than Celine.Mimi is THE VOICE !!!
This is all the truth and the fact honey.Take it easy…
Bye !
You have a serious problem bitch. Everyone can have an
opinion and if people consider Celine better there is no
reason to act like a total bitch against them.
Educate yourself or go back to the asylum.
Trish is sick, nothing more or less.
You have a bigger problem than me ashamed slut boy ! You are not in place to judge about my posts.You already insult every lambs that don’t agree with your lies ! (Tane,Momo,Gambit,Carla,etc…).
This idiot come here to say Celine is better than THe VOICE,it’s normal that I put him back at his place !
I am not your mother,neither Madonna.You’re a pig,nothing more.As already lold it,you should debate in another that speak about male artists,sport,or play video games with other guys on the web,etc…Come on, behave like true guys ! Stop posting craps about female artists,let girls debate about female artists and the other things reserved to female readers !I couldn’t imagine normal guys arguing with girls about female artists and insulting them !!!!! Get a normal life !!!
LOL ! The troll that’s been here for over A YEAR gives
me life advice ! This is surreal. Plus, I never attacked
anyone for considering Mariah THE BEST. I would attack
anyone though ,that insults Celine or Mariah, cause their
music is part of my life and I dislike people calling
Celine clown,ugly,robot,nose (YOU) and Mariah bitch,fat,
whore (JESSICA).
Finally, nobody has a bigger problem than the bitch that
keeps posting lies about things she CAN’T prove like
Mariah’s number 1s in Jamaica, Heiti,Fidji Islands, or
critics that panned Celine for her nasality, or the fake
sources about Nana’s sales by market or the exact notes
that make Celine’s range 2.7 octaves.
Sorry, but if you can’t see how much you humiliate
yourself you have an even bigger problem.
”This idiot come here to say Celine is better than THe VOICE,it’s normal that I put him back at his place !”
No, it’s not a NORMAL behaviour attacking strangers
via Internet for over a year. Second, you didn’t put him
into his place, since he only mentioned his opinion.
Third, these people don’t reply back because they don’t
care about your sad existence, not because you have
”arguments” like you think you have. Babbling that MC
”slays” Celine in everything doesn’t make you a strong
debater. It makes you look silly and pressed. Got that ?
And all this is confirmed by all the lies I have been
exposing. The lies you still can’t cover up. (POST 60)
The least thing you can do is RESPECT all these people
efforts (Mine,Tane,Celine and Mariah forever,Mandy,
Stopthis,Peace) that they try to end this debate
and have been posting that MC and Celine are equal and
both legends.
If our efforts are not enough to make you stop, just
think of Mariah and Celine and their songs that talk
about love,friendship and peace. This is what music is
about.
Who are you? How dare you talk about me like this? You are not more than a pig lucky Luke.You always try to take down Mariah’s achievements face to Celine’s.But I always show your lies.I always proved everything I claim here unlike you.You never proved anything,you just tried to lead this debate with partial and unreliable links.You insulted Mariah many times,everyone that already read the entire blog can see it.I would attack anyone who say Celine is better than The Voice in anything,except for concerts !
You said that I never proved anything here.I remind you that I already proved Mariah’s supremacy on:
-Hits
-Influence
-Voice
-Musical skills
-Popularity
-International wards
-Singles sales
-Legacy
You always try to deny all thes facts by saying I lied,cause I didn’t give “links” to support them.
the question of albums sales was the main object of this debate since all the other points were clear !
I just deny the arguments giving by Celine’s fans and you in which Celine surpass Mariah on everything just because of her success on concerts and tours.I said Mariah is better cause she wins in much more things.
About hits,I proved that Mariah really have much more Top 20 Hits worldwide than Celine even at the 2000 decade.This is you who failed,not me.You said that Quebec is bigger than New Zealand? You even cited China as a micro market !You just forget that China alone is bigger than the whole Europe ! Mariah has much more Top 20 hits than Celine the 2000 decade even in Europe ! You are just silly when you try to ridiculize it.Mariah win one more time. All the debaters you cited that try to end this debate can’t do that because of you.You always want to have the last word.After the post of PEACE I stopped to post comments,but you did.After Mandy’s post you still reply.I posted a comment only when CELINE 2011 said Celine is better than Mariah.Then you dare attack me with insults! I reply to you ,then you still post comments with insults against me.Then accuse me to be the poison of this debate.Who do you think you are ? If you really want the debate is over,don’t post anything at all.Otherwise,I will always reply just like you do.
I am going to talk how I want, when I want. You proved
nothing ,except for the fact that you are mentally
ill for thinking you actually proved things with facts.
It would be convenient to leave this debate and let you
goat you proved everything,wouldn’t it ? And I didn’t
attack people after your last comment, Mandy asked me
for a video. It was between me and Mandy about MADONNA,
not Mariah neither Celine so this still doesn’t excuse
your rude reply.
Finally it is funny and surreal how you think you
exposed my lies… LOL#
Wait a moment………………………..
Aren’t you the same bitch that posted Mariah sold 15m
dvds in Us ?
Aren’t you the same idiot that posted Mariah sold 6m
records in UK ?
Aren’t you the lame person that can’t mention Mariah’s
number 1s in Fidji Islands and Jamaica ?
Aren’t you the brainless insect that can’t cite which
notes exactly make Celine’s range ?
Aren’t you the mean bitch that can’t cite which music
critics exactly panned Celine’s nasality ?
Aren’t you the dumbass that can’t mention which sources
she trusted to post Nana Mousxouri’s sales ?
Aren’t you the idiot that posted Mariah’s and Celine’s
top 20 hits without counting United World Chart and
Eurochart among other significant charts ?
Aren’t you the crazy person that attacks people for
over a year here and trashes Madonna and Celine ?
Aren’t you the liar that contradicts with all Mariah’s
awards, YET mentions them to prove her superiority in
sales ?
Aren’t you the same mean a-hole that called Celine
”clown , ugly , nose , robot” many times ?
Aren’t you the ignorant that talked about ”rnb culture”
trying to prove myths on cultural impact ?
Aren’t you the fool that implied Celine got no awards
for her perfumes ?
Finally, aren’t you the humiliated, exposed and pressed
c*** here to post Mariah sold 200m albums worldwide
while all her previous posts (YOUR POSTS) per country
showed sales of 160m albums ? #LOL#
Sorry…You are already dismissed and finished and
you can’t swallow it.
ahhh blablablablabla……..mariah is better obviusly no need for me to state this again:/
butterfly you are right about most of your statements but some are not true…sorry but I have to tell you the true:) I’m like a huge lamb but still it doesn’t give you the cheek to lie about some facts:) lukyluke the same goes for you!
MARIAH FOREVER! LOL
mimi! hehehe… Mariah for me is more talented, she has more pride in her work than anyone else! that’s why she’s the best!
I love both artist but Mariah has my vote:)
i just love Mariah Carey!
Tane thanks for trying to be objective, fair and honest.
If you think I lied about something please tell me about
it, cause I may be be wrong. My actual point of view is
stated at post 15. Thanks again !
WELL????
WHO is “MARIAH CAREY”?
Don’t say that she is a big hit here in the philippines!!
Bec. we hate her!!!!!
she IS NOTHING BUT FLOP!!
FAKE!!
Who is Mariah Carey ? ? ? #LOL# Come on !
Mariah is an influencial vocalist ,an influencial
musician and on top of these she got all her sales
success is because of her vocal talent and her
musicianship. She has been awarded multiple times for
all these and she is a legend, a class of her own.
The only artist I know to achieve chart success and
aclaim with songs of different genres : pop , rnb ,
gospel , hip hop , urban dance tracks , Motown , soul
and so on…
She sold some albums in your country. She’s ok there,
cause Philippines is not a place where western music
is popular.
Here :
mariahjournal.com/infozone/charts/albums/philippines/index.shtml
Respect the Legends !!!
Babys can we all get along that both of them are the best! they are both amazing and we will never have anyone like them or Whitney Houston Or the Mighty Janet Jackson. Please Celiniacs and lambs. Calm down
I agree with Tane and with Trish .Trish is right in a lot things she said.I know Mariah Carey sells more records than Celine in facts.Besides Many sites support this it. Mariah is also more talented vocally and have a more technical voice.I love both though ,and also Whitney that I consider their big sister .i consider the 3 as 3 sisters, the 3 most talented female vocalists that ever live on this planet !But Mariah make me more proud with her songs and her sing style.Stop the feud everybody
I am a fan of MC and memeber at some of her sites - I
can mention them and they all have sales of 200m
records+ , just like her label announced and her
official biographies show. If you know any site in
specific that says the opposite pls let me know, cause
I have no idea. Thanx. No mean to fight.
I have been reading this page for a long time but decided to join in on the conversation today, because there’s a lot of inaccurrate info stated and it’s just that - inaccurate. I’m a huge Mariah fan as well as Celine fan. Obviously I prefer Mariah as evidenced by the name, but I’m impartial and can admit truth and facts unlike some other Mariah fans I’ve seen on this page. Fact is Mariah is not the best selling female artist of all time and that’s officially confirmed by Guinness World Records and IFPI among others. Truth is that gap toothed, talentless hag Madonna has sold the most. More than Celine & Mariah. Celine comes second and then follows Mariah. The difference is not big between them but fact is as follows
1 Madonna
2 Celine Dion
3 Mariah Carey
No matter how much Madonna sold though she had an advantage both Mariah & Celine lacked. She began in the 80s. Sure Celine started in the 80s too but her ENGLISH career started in 1990 just like Mariah’s. Mariah surpasses Celine in sales only in Asia and the US. Celine outsells her everywhere else outside those two markets. The Reason perfectly explained everything. Mariah’s official sites which are Mariahjournal and Mariahcarey dotcom, don’t get it twisted stans, also claim this.
Now aside from the sales debate, I honestly don’t see how some of you are incapable of being truthful when it comes to Celine & Mariah’s talents and skills.
Celine’s voice has remarkable power that stands out next to every other singer’s.
Mariah’s voice posesses an incredibly wide range that sets her also apart.
Celine can actually PERFORM like no other. She interacts with the audience and dances on stage. You only have to watch her, high selling, Taking Chances Tour DVD to see Celine set fire on stage. Mariah lacks in the performing department but guess what? She’s such a gifted songwriter that makes up for it, just read her poetic lyrics in her song “The Roof”. Remember, Celine doesn’t write her songs (even though to be fair she has written few French ones).
Both singers are regarded as the top female vocalists, along with Whitney Houston no matter how dead Houston’s voice is these days. Both singers have covered many genres in their respective repertoires:
Celine - The absolute QUEEN of Adult Contemporary and Francophone. music. Has also explored Pop, Dance, Rock, Gospel, Opera, Christmas music, Blues, Soul, Lullaby Music and so on.
Mariah - The absolute QUEEN of R&B and Christmas music. Has also explored Pop, Dance, Rock, AC, Gospel, Soul (ranging from neo-Soul to old-school 70’s Motown Soul), Jazz, Reggae and so on.
Both singers’ voices have been praised by critics and are great influences to younger artists such as Christina Aguilera, Leona Lewis, Kelly Clarkson and so on.
The funny thing is that both singers evidently respect and harbor positive feels for each other. Celine’s acupuncture tips helped Mariah conceive and eventually give birth to twins. Mariah had sent a sympathy basket to Celine when Celine’s father Adhemar Dion passed, to express her sympathy. They have both sung together on stage, they were label mates.
It’s annoying how fans get caught up in online wars between each other and in the process completely neglect to remain OBJECTIVE and real in an effort to elevate their personal preference.
Don’t give a damn about what liar and subjective lambs say ok ??
The real musical sources like ifpi, Billboard, world music awards, and RIAA prove absolutely that Celine Dion has sold more than Mariah worldwide ! Facts speak for themselves so there¿s no point of arguing. Many people can say whatever but things are not going to change.
I don’t know why Mariah lambs don’t face the fact that Celine and the talentless Whoredonna are more successful than her ! That doesn’t mean that Mariah is a loser, does it ?? I don’t know why you don’t accept the facts proved by music industry. It seems that you must think that Mariah is the owner of sales to enjoy her music right ? In that case…what a shame (with all respect). Maybe you aren’t pretty sure about Mariah’s achievements. Maybe Celine and Madonna fans enjoy much more their idols because they know that their records are higher than Mariah and know what they are, but still they don’t seem to care too much about success of the artists. I know what I’m talking about, because I’ve seen lots of comments in YouTube, blogs, etc….
And don’t contradict me, I wasn’t born in music yesterday and I know perfectly well the records of Mariah Carey, Celine Dion and even of MANdonna and I must say I have nothing against Cline or Mariah, but facts are that Celine is more successful, but Mariah is not so behind ! and is valuable too !!
The point is enjoy your music, that’s it !
I mean …. just for the record:
Who the freaking cares ’bout which market is bigger ??
I will repeat what some Mariah lambs say: “USA AND JAPAN ARE THE BIGGEST MARKETS OF THE WORLD”…….. And ?? so what ??? That means that Mariah is more important ??? Hell no!!
The market is important ! That’s it ! THE MARKET !! NOT THE ARTIST……..just for the record:
RIAA, WMA and IFPI claimed Celine as the world’s best selling female artist more recently, logically it means she owns it with sales surpassing 200 million (Mariah is in the 180 million). So, with more sales than Mariah worldwide !! So, maybe it could be because of Europe, Africa, Latin America, Canada, bla bla bla……..but still she has much more power in music industry than Mariah ! Use your logic !! U can’t argue the success of an artist just because the legacy of the market she/he triumphs at because those are different topics.
Moreover, my own country (USA) could be the largest market, but I mean….if we count Europe, Oceania, Africa and the rest of America, it makes a bigger market all together than USA and even Japan.
But I repeat ! The market doesn’t say anything….but they success of the artist speaks by itself.
From this we can infer that Celine and Madonna have surpassed the importance of USA and Japan as markets, while Mariah is in a good level, but what she has is not enough.
Sorry for the lambs, my point is not to frustrate ya, but facts are facts
Thanks,” Advice For Fans “.I agree with your logic .However I have to remind you that Mariah sells much more singles than Celine ,though Celine totalize more albums sold.
Moreover for me ,the best one is not necessarily the greatest seller cause ( Otherwise,it would mean that Madonna is better than both Celine and Mariah as she’s a greater seller ).They are too close on record sales to base the comparison among them mainly on sales.
That’s why the other achievements are useful to comre them.But anyway,they are very close on everything,overall.
The only thing you’re wrong in is saying that Celine is more successful than Mariah in Latin America,cause this is the opposite.
I think the difference among Celine’s and Mariah’s sales is negligeable .
Besides,celine & Mariah had not started their respective career at the same time,they hadn’t released the same amount of records,they hadn’t sung in the same number of languages,etc…
we also have to take into account that Celine is favorised in Canada and France relatively to Mariah ,thank to her Canadian and francophone roots. USA is a more open and multi-cultural place,where the chances to be popular for non-American artists are greater there than anywhere else . .The proof is Celine’s huge success and popularity in USA beside Mariah’s,and her huge supremacy in Canada & France over Mariah.If we take these things into account,they are equal.
But you’re right,this is useless to stil fight.Let’s rather enjoy and appreciate their works.As we all love both,let’s just say who among both we love MORE and WHY, to ending this stupid feud.Let’s comment their best achievements and work and say what we love in each other .This way,we’ll promote both artists,and express our admiration and respect for their works,and also for ourselves their fans.
@MariahRockstar:The fact is that Madonna neither Celine doesn’t surpass Mariah on worldwide sales ! If you were really informed you would know that Guinness isn’t allowed to state who is the best selling female artist of all times.Its not a musical institution.Only RIAA’s datas are based on real counts,all others are based on estimations.That’s why they usually made huge mistake in their statements ( IFPI cliamed 200 million albums sold by nana Mouskouri without any proof.Guinness claimed 300,then 280 million albums sold by Madonna in the past.in 2010,Guinness rectify this number by 200 million albums.So,these institutions can’t be trusted.It would be too much easy to just repeat after IFPI,Guinness,Mediatrafic,etc…without analyze the real facts giving by the past.It’s not by nothing that World Music Award awarded the best seller albums.How Madonna could sold 200 million albums worldwide with just 1 world Music award for her entire career? Because WMA hate her? It’s because all her albums were moderate success,not huge smash hit albums as Mariah’s Daydream,Music Box,Mariah Carey,etc… or Celine’s Falling Into You,Let’s Talk About Love.Mariah is ahead of Celine because her 1990’s albums sold more than Celine’s while she equals Celine’s albums sales at the 2000’s.About singles,Celine has just 5 million seller singles worldwide (reaching or surpassing million sales) for her entire career while Mariah has over 25 . So it’s clear that Mariah outsold Celine by 30- 50 million records the less worldwide.
You are wrong,Mariah has sold more albums and much more singles than Celine worldwide.Celine outsold Mariah just in Europe and Canada,anywhere else.Mariah outsold Celine in US the greatest music market,Asia (the second greatest music market),Oceania,South America and West Indies. Everyone already knows that Celine has great success in concerts.
Don’t add your own thoughts to Celine’s influences.
According to BILLBOARD in 2010 :
1) Madonna 300 million
2) Celine 220 million
3) Mariah 200 million Peace people. Love you all ! <3
I would really love to see which Mariah’s singles sold
over 5m copies and their respective certifications. And
her sales in West Indies in detail, since people here
boast about these stuff.
@ BUTTERFLY
Moff and Shutup asked you to PROVE when GBR
mentioned more sales about Madonna and YOU STILL CAN’T
PROVE IT ! You just REPEAT it !
No comment on the rest B U L L S H I T you posted about
Celine’s million selling singles and Mariah being equal
to Celine in albums sales this decade !
Pure B U L L C R A P !!! LIES !!!
@Advice for fans I agree! We should just listen to the music and enjoy it while they’re still able to sing with their incredible voices!
@MJ KING OF THE WORLD I agree that the WORLDWIDE market is more important than just the US and Japan market, so if Celine Dion has sold more albums and had more success WORLDWIDE than Mariah Carey, Celine has had a more successful career
So…its pretty annoying seeing all these stubborn people fighting over nothing -_-
1 Madonna
2 celine
3 Mariah
betweent Mariah and Celine its a small plot:)
You’re right tane :)
300 million records - Madonna
240 million Celine
and 220 Mariah.
THE THREE BIGGEST SELLING FEMALE ARTISTS!!
moff said it
Maria Carey has sold more records than Celine Dion worldwide.As said Trish,Mariah was always ahead of Celine on worldwide sales.
1-Madonna
2-Mariah Carey
3-Celine Dion
the three are great !
Celine Dion has sold more records than Mariah Carey
worldwide. Proved by tane,MOFF,the reason,Mariahrockstar
MJ King rules,Advice for fans.
1-Madonna
2-Celine
3-Mariah
Mariah has sold more records than Celine worldwide proved by TRISH,Momo,Mandy,Carla,Mariah4ever,Gambit,Mariahlamb,and so on…
1-Madonna
2-Mariah Carey
3-Celine Dion
Oh guys…this is so funny. Running out of arguments so
you decide to play nickname games. And on top of that
you copy paste answers, insting on non sense.
Well Shannon…First of all half the people you mentioned
are the same person. Second, Gabmit only repeated what
the others said with no originality. Third, Mandy kinda
agreed Celine sold more (POST 75), just like Tane did.
Fourth, funny this was posted one day after I got
insulted out of nowhere by Gabmit (crazy,sick,pathetic),
who actually uses the same writing style as…
Well, take it easy and bye bye !!! :-)
What @MOFF posted in post 82 should have ended these arguments
Mariah carey has sold more singles but less albums:)
Celine dion has sold more labum but less singles:)
who says I’m wrong?
I am clear,I agree with TRISH when she claimed that Mariah Carey sold more records than Celine Dion worldwide.But,I don’t express myself about Madonna’s sales compare with Mariah’s.Yes,Trish is right,Mariah has sold more records than Celine.Lucky Luke keep insist on this,that’s why I wanted to ended the debate.But,I know very well that Mariah surpass Celine on records sales worldwide.Take it easy everyone,cause none of us can accuse Trish anymore to prevent the end of this debate.She doesn’t argue since many days unlike Lucky Luke.This is rather Lucky Luke that keep insist by answering to every posts…Lol ! Peace everyone,Celine and Mariah are both very great !
You are right, tane :)
yay! finally a finished debate:)
thx everyone!
@ Mandy
I actually replied to Gabmit cause he replied to me and
now I post this comment to you, cause you mentioned my
name 3 times in one paragraph.
Don’t say ”I insist” cause last time I ”insisted” on
sth was the 18th of May. = 13 DAYS AGO !
The only thing I did ever since was asking for
certifications on Mariah’s huge million selling singles
and her record sales in West Indies. I got no reply, so
I stopped. Ok ?
With that being said…If you want to accuse me any
further do it. Just don’t rely on what others say cause.
You get somehow confused and get to imitate their
writing styles as well.
( ”keep insist” / ”since many days unlike Lucky Luke”
”This is rather Lucky Luke” keep insist by”
”every posts” )
C Ya sweety ! <3
Hi everyone,I am gay and I am a crazy Madonna fan…The queen of pop…Lol ! Madonna has something than other female artists can’t give.I think that Mariah really is the most talented artist ever and the biggest vocalist ever.Nobody reaches Mariah’s voice,this is undeniable,But I believe that Madonna sold more than Mariah.Sorry lambs,but Mariah is just behind Madonna.Both are greatest female seller ever.To be honest,Celine doesn’t sold as much as Mariah,even though she is very successful too.Celine is a good entertainer…Lol ! Don’t be mad Celiniacs,Celine is third and this is not bad at all,since she even surpasses the vocal legend Whitney Houston on records sales.Here in Europe,Celine sold much more than Carey,but most europeans believe Mariah has more talent and beter voice than celine,at the other side,Mariah sold much more than Celine in Asia and US…The Three are great !…LMAO ! Celine ,Mariah and Madonna forever ! let’s love each other,cause there is any reason for fighting .
1. Madonna - around 300 million
2. Celine - 220-250 million
3. Mariah - 200-220 million
I don’t even know why I’m adding Madonna, since everyone knows Madonna has sold more than these two.
@TRISH, Butterfly, whatever nickname you go by
You told @Lies Lies Lies that critics “blame her for her nasal tone in her voice.” If you really
read the critiques, they do not blame her for it, and they say it gives her a smooth tone in her voice.
Celine sells more concert tickets, albums, and DVDs
Mariah sells more singles and music videos.
Celine’s fragrance line is far more popular than Mariah’s.
You also said Mariah was awarded with the Millineum award, which she got for selling the most records in the past 1000 years. She got that before Celine’s numbers were officially calculated, which was in the 21st century, explaining why Celine got her Hollywood Walk of Fame the next year, when she sold more records than Mariah.
You keep blaming others for coming back when they clearly write “I DON’T WANT TO FIGHT ANYMORE” but you seem to be the one who keeps coming back when all of the Celiniacs continuously tell you they’ll stop if you stop posting these outrageously hilarious posts. But you never do, because this is probably what you do on your free time.
You keep saying Celine has no unique assets and her nasal voice is irritating to others. If that’s true, how come she’s sold over 200 million in records? Huh?
You tell us you’ve given proof and your source forall your information, but you never do. Like in one post, you cleary wrote, “For example,I didn’t got the infos about Nana Mouskouri true total album sales and about many Mariah’s info from internet.” Then where did you get it from? You always seem to be avoiding these questions by unnecessarily insulting Celine and everyone who idolizes her, just like you idolize Mariah. And that’s another thing. You insult everybody, even those who say they like both equally and should stop debating. Or when they just give their opinions.
And to all who this applies to : I don’t mean to be too rude, but saying the words FAIL and Lol makes you sound stupid. Get something clever to say!
Again, I will be one of hundreds to say, I will not post anymore of these posts if you stop posting things that really hurt some of these people’s feelings!!!!
Wow, I absolutely agree with you.
This should be the last word said. But I suppose that Trish (BUTTERFLY) will come back and post lies and lies again.
Nikolai, I accept your post but I think you can’t say that Celine has sold less records than Mariah.
Saying “Mariah has better voice” is OK but thinking who has sold more or less records is fail because it’s something an opinion can’t change.
The fact is that Celine has sold more records in total because she has sold more albums and more DVDs, but less singles and music videos.
Mariah has sold a little more singles, but that doesn’t mean she has also sold more reocrds in total.
Like Dej Jam said, Mariah has sold over 200 million records, and I think that everybody can calculate:
Diamond Award in 2003 for 150 million album sales + further albums since 2003 (15 million) =
165 million albums. But because of catalog sales her assumed album sales stand at almost 170 million I would say.
Her single sales are at around 55 million sales like many Mariah’s hompages or fanpages claim.
So it’s easy to say that Mariah has sold around 220 million records.
Celine:
She got her Diamond Award in 2004 for 175 million album sales, now her album sales stand at 185 million + her singles sales at around 50 million and DVD sales you’ll get a number of almost 240 million.
About Madonna, we know she outsold every singer in the world.
200 million albums sold alone (IFPI, Guinness) and over 100 million singles sold (certifications) you’ll get 300 million records.
Madonna, Celine, Mariah are the best !
moff your right! even though I’m a huge Mariah Carey fan its quite true Celine sells a bit more:)
Thanks, tane. You are not as bold and foolish like TRISH (BUTTERFLY). You recognize the truth, although you’re a Mariah Carey fan.
Guys, tane is a real MC fan !
I have to agree that only TRUE fans accept their idols
with their pros and cons. Lying about achievements
doesn’t show love or devotion. Just lack of logic
thought and insecurities.
Tane accepts Mariah is not a commercially succesful
as Madonna and Celine. TRUE FAN
Moff accepts Madonna doesn’t have the vocal talent or
the songwriting skills, or the vocal/musical influence
Mariah owns. TRUE FAN
I Love Celine and Mariah soooooooooo much, but I
recognise Madonna’s superiority in sales, while Madonna’s
music means nothing to me…I am a TRUE FAN !
(Not to mention I accept Mariah’s superiority in
musicianship,vocal/musical influence and vocal technique)
LOL xD
Something more…None of us ever insulted Mariah or
Celine or Madonna.
;-)
@ What the What : Hahahaha! Let me laugh ! This is so funny ! Who could judge me here?
Who are you?
Keep your word straight ! True fans accept when their idol has an asset and an handicap ! I said Celine’s voice is nasal.nobody can say the opposite since this stay a fact ! If you love her like this,good for you.But don’t say that I lied by saying it.
I didn’t blame Celine’s voice.I said its nasal since that’s true.Face the real fact ! What do you say about Lucky Luke’s claims that Mariah’s 2000’s albums are breathy? What do you say about he’s lies by saying Madonna and Celine surpass Whitney Houston on vocal range? What do you say about Lucky Luke claim that said Lady Gaga that started her career in 2008 equals Mariah that have success with singles since 1990,on worldwide singles sales? That Celine’s Let’s Talk About Love reach million sales in Brazil? That Celine’s 1990’s albums surpass Mariah’s ? This is Trish that lied ? About sales,let me give you the right list
1-Mariah Carey 300 million
2-Madonna 230 million
3-Whitney Houston 215 million
4-Celine Dion 192 million
This list is irrefutable !
Celine’s fragrances are more popular than Mariah’s in Europe and Canada.Mariah’s fragrances are more popular than Celine’s in US,Asia, and the rest of the world !
Celine sold more DVD,concerts tickets than Mariah
-Mariah sold much more Albums,Singles than Celine.Moreover,Mariah has much more Hits in every countries worldwide than Celine !
I even don’t need to talk about Voice,Image,Legacy,Influence,writing, producing skills,etc…
Yes,I keep say that Mariah’s Millennium award is relevant fr the whole last millennium !
Keep your words straight.Me too,I could say “I Don’t want to fight “then continuing by replying with each post.Don’t accuse me for something that you can’t see with fair eyes ! I even didn’t reply to many Lucky Luke’s posts that needed reply although he continue to do it.But you can’t see it,cause this is me that you hate in advance.
You are most hilarious than my posts,as you are completely blinded.I assume everything I did,and I don’t need you say me nothing about what I post here ok?
Can you cite 10 songs and ten albums by Nana Mouskouri,that you really know? If you got arguments on Nana’s sales,good.Bring them here !
I insult anyone when they just give their opinions.,I reply to insults ! You call me stupid,so if I call you a-hole,this is not bad.See?
Moff,what else could you say? This is not astonish that you agree with another a**hole like Lucky Luke and you ! You said that I will come in the blog and posting lies? But did you ever stopped to post lie even during a entirely week Lucly Luke and you? Are you the person in the blog that could treat my arguments as lies? I don’t think so.You’ll always claims Lucky Luke’s lie truth cause you are his boyfriend and you both sleep together.
Saying Celine amuse people on tage most than Mariah is right,but that doesn’t mean she equals or surpasses Mariah on sales.
The fact is that Celine sold more tickets concerts and a little bit more DVD than Mariah.But Mariah sold much more albums and much more singles than Celine worldwide !
everybody can calculate:
- 150 million albums sold by Mariah till 2000 year
- 120 million albums sold by Celine till 2000 year
- 75 million singles sold by Mariah at the 1990’s,then 25 million at the 2000’s = 100 million singles the less
-20 million singles sold by Celine at the 1990’s,then 5 million at the 2000’s = 25 million singles,let’s say 30 million.
Moff,you try to based your crap on Mariah and celine’s Diamond Award ? Tell me,what WMA claims about Madonna’s global sales ? The chopard award is not reliable just in the case of Madonna? You can run,but you can’t hide.Facts doesn’t lies on what a sudden award could saying,but on real achievements.Mariah still the best !
Moff,how you dare compare Tane with me? I respect her opinion and what she believes.but that has nothing to do with me and my arguments.I know many Madonna fans that admit Mariah sold more than Madonna.
You said that I am bold and foolish? What I could say about you Moff? Do you think that someone could ever become as foolish as Lucky Luke and you? You are the only two guys in this planet that spend more than a entire year by posting lies and craps to support female artists.Healthy guys debate about basket,Baseball,Soccer,polo,etc…,sex,girls,party,meeting,beach,video games,sport,etc… This is so sad for you to be so sick ! At least,you should be in the Michael Jackson VS Elvis Presley debate,or something like this…True and healthy boys that have Celine and Madonna to emulate as model,this is much more than foolish !
I don’t hate Celine and Madonna,all that I hate are their fanatics!.This is so banal and stupid to claim that a Madonna fan that admit Mariah has a better voice and is more talentuous than Madonna is objective.ouuugh!…LMAO !I recognize Celine’s superiority by entertain people more than Mimi.Also Madonna’s dancing and entertaining superiority over Mariah.Who could say I not objective???
They are only Madonna and celine’s fans that admit Mariah sold more records than both,that are really objective ! All others are subjective,but just use tricks to convince some lambs that are not sure enough about what they believe and know.
I never insulted celine,Mariah or Madonna,only their fans ! All these has nothing to do with sales.
Where did you get all the information? A stupid person cannot do some research, sorry :D
Madonna, Celine, Mariah !! BEST
Mimi is the greatest and the best selling female artist of all times !
Madonna,Whitney then Celine follow her and are all very great too !
Try it Trish,
Celine has sold more than Mariah Carey. You are not a Mariah Carey fan!
@ BUTTERFLY
LMAO ! Still here contradicting with all Mariah sources ?
LOL xD
Still here throwing accusations about me on other
people ?
Still here insulting me at both debates ?
Still hehe posting LIES about me when everyone can read
my previous posts about saying Mariah sold MORE IN THE
90s ? LOL Don’t you get ashamed for changing my words ?
Manipulative Freak !!!
I already EXPLAINED everything in detail. Denying
my claims for your own reasons, doesn’t make me a liar.
For instance, what could I do to prove that Celine’s
album is million seller in Brazil ? I posted 2 links on
it. What else am I supposed to do ? I told you to visit
Brazil’s certification system as well. What else could I
say ? I also mentioned Celine’s Latin Awards in
response…Still not enough…
So the problem is not me lying. The problem is you being
unable to face THE FACTS !
Certifications are facts ! Awards are facts !
WITH THESE BEING SAID :
You said Mariah’s fragnances are more popular everywhere
exept for Europe and Canada.
………………………….Ok :-)
I DARE YOU TO PROVE IT ! Come on ! I challenge you ! Do
you have the guts to go ahead ? Do you dare ?
Show me how Mariah’s fragrances are more popular in
these places !
Bring info or sources or grossing estimations !!!
I love to see you being UNABLE to explain your theories
like you did MULTIPLE times in the past ! Now
lies on parfumes are added to your previous lies about
- critics that panned Celine’s nasality (LIE)
- sources on Nana’s sales (LIE)
- Mariah’s popularity in W.Indies (LIE)
- Mariah singles certifications worldwide (LIE)
- Mariah number 1s in Jamaica and Heiti (LIE)
And yeah I called Mariah’s voice breathy ! Guess what !
Critics REALLY PANNED Mariah’s voice.
All Music Guide said about Charmbracelet :
”What is a greater problem is that Mariah’s voice is shot, sounding in tatters throughout the record. Whenever she sings, there’s a raspy whistle behind her thin voice and she strains to make notes throughout the record. She cannot coo or softly croon, nor can she perform her trademark gravity-defying vocal runs. Her voice is damaged, and there’s not a moment where it sounds strong or inviting. That alone would be disturbing, but since the songs are formless and the production bland”
Now stop refering to me and my posts, you psychopath !
Moff,try again.Mariah Carey sold more than Madonna,Madonna more than Whitney,Whitney more than Celine !So it’s impossible that Celine could even equals Mariah,since even Madonna and Whitney outsold her.See ?
Moff,youre not a Madonna and a Celine fan.You are a Lucky Luke fan !
You’re right Lucky Luke.You always proved your lies by crap links,but the question is not that you got a link or not to support a lie.The most important is that your arguments stay craps although many links support them.Celine’s Let’s talk About Love never reach million sales in Brazil,whatever your biased link show it or no.Celine and Madonna’s vocal range never equals or surpass Whitney’s,whatever said links.It would be not astonish that a link claim Susan Boyle’s voice equals or surpass Whitney’s or Mariah’s,but there is no need to check a link about it.Songs talk by themselves,otherwise,people would check what say a link about a song or a album before to buy it.
Mariah sold much more singles than Celine and Lady gaga worldwide,not just 5 or 10 million.your links lie ! Mariah has much more Hits and popular songs in every countries worldwide than Celine.Keep saying that I lie.But your crap links can’t change those facts.
I didn’t copy infos from Wikipedia,then increase them and bring them here,this is beyond me.
Yes,Mariah’s fragrances are much more popular than Celine’s everywhere worldwide,except for Europe and Canada.I don’t have to prove it since you never proved your lies about Celine equals Mariah on singles sales at 1990’s and 2000’s, although I always question you and this a-hole called Moff about it.I dare you to prove it ! I dare you to prove Celine equals Mariah on singles,and outsold Mariah’s albums by 20 -30 million according to certifications ! I DARE YOU TO PROVE IT !
Me too,I can bring many citations about Celine’s nasal voice.
There is a big difference between some critics about an album and critics about the vocal potential of an artist.Mariah’s Charmbracelet album could be criticize as breathy because of whispering songs like Boy I Need You,Sunflowers,etc…But that doesn’t mean Mariah has a breathy voice.Go and listen to Mariah’s performance of My saving Grace at the Oprah Winfrey show in 2002,then her unique rendition of the national anthem The Star Spangled Banner.No other female singer could do the same.Nobody can’t say her voice was breathy.Yes she has some whisper songs from her 2000’s albums,but don’t try to destroy her vocal reputation by saying her voice is breathy.Mariah voice stay unreachable and sublime !
Celine’s nasality is different.I could say an endless songs and live performances in which Celine’s voice sound very nasal !
You try to take me down? You just can’t !
- critics that panned Celine’s nasality (TRUTH)
- sources on Nana’s sales (TRUTH)
- Mariah’s popularity in W.Indies (TRUTH)
- Mariah singles certifications worldwide (TRUTH)
- Mariah popular songs in West Indies ( Jamaica and Haiti,Republica Dominicana,etc…) (TRUTH)
You already claim Celine has more Hits than Mariah at the 2000’s.I proved the opposite,you try to deny it by based you on Jamaica and haiti.You’re So delusional !
-Let’s Talk About Love sold million in Brazil (LIE)
-Celine equals Mariah on singles sales (only 5 million difference) (LIE)
-Celine’s 1990 decade albums outsold Mariah’s (LIE)
-Celine’s 2000 decade albums outsold Mariah’s (LIE)
-Celine outsold Mariah’s albums by 25- 30 million (LIE)
-Celine and Madonna has wider vocal rande than Whitney Houston (LIE)
-Lady Gaga equals Mariah on worldwide singles sales (LIE)
-Celine has more Hits worldwide than Mariah (LIE)
-Celine also has influence Christina,Leona,Kelly,etc… (LIE) Only Mariah influenses these artists.
I refer to you and your posts, only because these are all that Moff can find to repeat here.He’s not able to bring something by his own,only repeat your old craps, lies and theories.
You really think that I am as psychopath as you? Don’t make this mistake,you are the champion on this !
Idiot bitch. You dare me to prove what ? You dare me
to prove that Celine sold 5-10m singles below MC and
20m+ albums more ? LOL ! That’s the point of the whole
debate you crazy cow. I have already shown certifications
and various sources and you don’t trust them. This is
not my fault. I can’t speak to a wall. I can’t talk to
a person that trusts nothing. How come you dare ask
me to bring certifications when you have been lying
already on certifications of Us albums ? (Saying Mariah’s
debut is Diamond and Daydream 11xP)
How the hell am I supposed to speak logically about sales
with you when you knew NOTHING on Dvd certifications
and proudly declared 15m+ sales of DVDs for Mariah ?
How could I ever talk about sales to the person that
just repeats Mariah’s highest selling single sold
over 10m copies and when I ask for the certifications
I get 0 answers ?
How do you dare asking me to talk again with you about
sales when you brought a few weeks ago a link about
artists SINGLE sales in UK and used it to say Mariah
sold 6m+ RECORDS in UK ! While her true sales there are
over 13m records.
You are not in position to demand any answers since
you have suprassed all levels of STUPIDITY by claiming
you don’t know Mariah’s Asian sales and then insisting
that she sold over 50m albums there, maybe 60m !
How do you dare accusing my links as craps when it’s
obvious you have 0 knowledge on sales ? Proved by the
fact that you said Mariah sold over 50m albums in Europe,
as a coclusion to the stupid UK link you brought !
Your little mind thought = Celine equals Mariah in sales
in Uk…therefore they are equal in whole Europe -.-‘
Too bad the link was only about UK singles !
How do you expect to believe the claims of a human being
you hate (me) when you don’t trust all sources, media,
labels and so on !
Even if sources made mistakes … would they ever make
mistakes of a famous singer for over 100m records that
is active the past 20 years, when certifications are
clear ?
How can you demand me to explain you Celine’s and
Mariah’s sales when you contradict with yourself ?
Saying Celine sold over 145m at 2003 and then changing
that to below 130m by 2003 ?
Aren’t you the same girl that used to say Mariah’s
AIWFCIY sold over 20m and then changed to 10m+, still
with no sources ?
And instead of shuting you big ignorant mouth after
these you keep attacking me with LIES !
- YOU CAN’T BRING CITATIONS ON CELINE’S NASAL VOICE
BEING PANNED !
- YOU CAN’T BRING THE SINGLES THAT TOPPED CHARTS IN
JAMAICA AND HEITI !
- YOU CAN’T PROVE MARIAH’S POPULARITY IN WEST INDIES !
- YOU CAN’T BRING SOURCES ON NANA’S SALES !
- YOU CAN’T PROVE MARIAH’ PARFUMES POPULARITY !
Stop attacking me about Madonna’s range. Vocal Range
means nothing, unless these notes are sang ! And Madonna
can’t sing at all, barely 1 octave of her ”range”.
That’s what I am saying ! The only thing I stand
corrected is Gaga digital downloads. She hasn’t sold more
than MC.
Now since you want to talk with me about singles,
I accept your challenge, although you MISERABLY FAILED
to prove anything your LIES !
Let’s take it one by one :
Mariah Debut Singles :
- Vision Of Love
- Love Takes Time
- Someday
- I Don’t Wanna Cry
- There’s Gotta Be A Way
Go on bitch ! Bring their certifications and chart peaks
and your estimations on these 5 singles and we talk on
these first and then we move on to others !
You have no idea where you got yourself into :)
I am waiting the chart success of these. We will do that
for all Mariah’s singles discography till we find a
result and then we move on to Celine’s !
Start with these 5 if you dare and don’t even think of
accusing me again on lies cause NOTHING OF WHAT I SAY
IS CREATED BY MY TEDENCY TO LIE ! You have a tedency to
lie, with unsupported fake theories !
Even lambs would diss you, bitch !
I am waiting you claims on these 5 singles.
* We will laugh * xD
You are sick, administrator please do the same like you did for TRISH !!
wow! wow! wow! Trish well I think your butterfly anyway, I don’t believe your sources are true, I might have when I first stated debating but I got over your lies trish!:(
im not being modest or mean I’m just telling you Mariah has sold less albums then Celine Dion only more singles!
luky luke and moff tell the truth, at stages when I first started the debate I thought they were all fools but it turned out we were….haha anyway! do you see them mock Mariah like you do celine? they love Mariah as they say but hey I would have thought that was a lie to but I was wrong hahaha:)
madonna
celine
mariah<3<3
and isn’t it obvious Madonna out sells each of them? I don’t particularly like Madonna for what she mentioned and said about Mariah Carey but hey I have to admit the truth:)
trish please don’t get the wrong idea, I’m just being honest with you:)
Thanx for believing I love Mariah, Tane. I really do. I
could defend her real sales, her range, her technique
her musicianship, her flexibility, her sexiness, her
attitude and much more.
As of TRISH sources you don’t believe them because
they don’t exist ! LOL
Can you imagine any normal source claiming 300m records
sales ? :P It’s so funny.
TRISH actually hates both me and Moff for
replying to her, this is why she exagerates. There is no
way she believes what she posts. She is just an angry
kid that reacts to people she thinks are MC haters.
Tane, you are absolutely right.
@Butterfly
Learn how to read. Seriously, almost everything you accused me of lying, I didn’t say.
I never said anything about Nana’s sales, except using it as an example of how you don’t give us any sources! LINKS! Not names of places you’ve seen it. MTV is not specific enough to be a source!
Has Mariah’s perfumes sold over 500 million in retail prices? If so, give me the LINK!
Let’s Talk About Love HAS sold 1 million in Brazil!
“I don’t have to prove it since you never proved your lies about Celine equals Mariah on single sales at 1990’s and 2000’s” So Immature! What? You think that’s going to end this discussion? Or do you just want to continue because you have no life? And don’t just repeat it back to me, because that also proves you’re immature. You know how I know I have a life? Because I haven’t been in this discussion for a year! I know others have, but at least they have the nerve to prove it to us.
I’m not doing this because I hate Mariah. I don’t hate her. I actually have her songs on my ipod. I’m doing this because apparently, someone here is a lunatic and things need to be straightened out! You also proved me right by coming back here! I don’t care if you haven’t commented on ALL of LuckyLuke’s posts. I care that you’ve been here for a year, and you still haven’t given any proofs about your info.
I didn’t say you blamed Celine’s voice. I said you blamed CRITICS for blaming her voice. They didn’t! Maybe, some of them prefer it not to be there in some songs, but they didn’t blame her for it at all.
300million albums??? That’s just so far from reality, I don’t even know what to say. Where does it say Mariah sold 300 million albums? I don’t care where you got it from. Even a biased site. Just give it to me! Because not one Mariah fanatic (excluding you) will say that!
Oh, and by the way, I didn’t call you stupid. I said you sound stupid. BIG DIFFERENCE!
wow thx guys!…:D
”Celine also has influence Christina,Leona,Kelly,etc… (LIE) Only Mariah influenses these artists”
See how she said ”Only Mariah” ! ONLY Mariah ! ONLY !
Do you get it people ? ? ? This girl CAN’T see anything
beyond Mariah.
@ BUTTERFLY
Mariah is their main influence for sure. But Celine
influenced these as well. They have all stated it. Leona
entered the X Factor auditions singing Celine’s ”My
Heart Will Go On” and won the show singing ”All By
Myself” (doing Celine’s version with the big note). She
even tried to do a similar song to ”My Heart Will Go
On” named ”I See You” for the Avatar film. Kelly
Clarkson sang ”Think Twice” and ”I Surrender”.
There is even a popdirt debate about Kelly’s comment
that she loves Celine, but prefers Mariah above her.
LOL Celine has influenced all these singers, but Mariah
has a bigger influence on them. Still writing ”Only Mariah” proves who the biased liar is. Moreover, the whole vocal discussion issue is over,as I have already
accepted that Mariah influenced more.
POST 15 ! Learn to read !
As of Celine’s range it is Bb2-E6 ! Whitney’s range is
A2-C6 ! End of story. None of them ever sang a note
below or above these. I am done talking about vocals and
notes with someone that couldn’t mention which notes
exactly make Celine’s range 2.7 octaves -.-‘ You couldn’t
mention the notes because you lied and because you don’t
know sh** on notes. So use your brain for once and STOP accusing me about topics YOU ignore !!!
@ Everyone
Don’t ask links from Trish. 1)No links will ever prove
the 300m records myth 2)In the past she LIED that she
trusted magazines and once I posted magazines that
declared Celine as the highest seller she called them
biased 3) She ONLY used to visit Wikipedia and copy
paste info from the site and then inflate them with the
fake excuse that Wikipedia hates on MC. - Mariah’s page
in Wikipedia is controled by her management team though.
That means her managers hate her xD - LOL
I explain everything on her ”copy paste” games at
the ”Mariah VS Madonna” popdirt debate.
Here :
popdirt.com/top-selling-female-artist-madonna-or-mariah-carey-part-3/81343/
Check post 235.
Celine doesn’t influence them.They just sing some of her songs.They never use any Celine techniques in their songs unlike Mariah’s and Whitney’s.No one ever notice one of these singers using vocals similar to Celine’s.And Charice’s main influence is Mariah Carey.Charice had covered song from Whitney ,so she’s also influenced from Whitney.II divo are influenced by Mariah Carey and Whitney Houston as well as Celine.
Charice’s main influence is Celine.
youtube.com/watch?v=241-cCYipZU
Celine influenced all these artists and this is why
they choose to sing her songs. Would I ever choose to
sing Justin Timberlake since I don’t like him ? Would
you, little Trish, ever sing a Madonna song ? or a
Celine (ugliest clown on earth) song ? LOL
Il Divo have never mentioned Mariah as an influece. They
have just shown their huge respect to Celine - but that
doesn’t make Celine an influence for them.
”No one ever notice one of these singers using vocals similar to Celine’s”
Big Lie ! Their cover versions were pretty much like
Karaoke. They copied Celine’s notes. Second the whole
argument is a joke and invalid because having an artist
as an influence doesn’t mean you have to IMITATE his/her
singing. For example, Xtina’s main influence is Mariah.
Still, she doesn’t really use similar style or
techniques to Mariah. Her whistles are thin, her belts
throaty and strained, her runs a total mess and she just
screams, in her atempt to sound soulful. Mariah never
does any of these. According to the way you think, that
would mean Christina is not really influenced by MC. So
your argument is a total fail.
And of course you can’t prove how Il Divo are influenced
by MC, since this is another HUGE LIE but ok… I
already know you posted that to piss me off. But I am so
used to all this. :)
You forgot to mention gay guys, Aids and uglyness on this
post dear. Don’t make mistakes like these. LMAO
Tane,I have no problem with you and what you believe.But you are wrong to state that my arguments are lies.Tane,please,can you tell me how many singles Celine sold at the 1990’s compare with Mariah’s? Can you tell me how many singles Celine sold at the 2000’s compare with Mariah’s ?
Tane,can you ever show me how Celine’s albums could surpass Mariah’s by 20 - 30 million???
Tane,listen to me.Links lies and doesn’t give the truth !
For exemple. Do you think that Celine’s The Colour Of My Love surpass Mariah Carey album when both totalize 10 million from US and Europe.Do you think that just the Canadian and Australian sales of TCOML could make it surpass MC’s that sold much more in the whole Asian continent? Do you really need a link to confirm this ?
Do you need a link to confirm you that TEOM surpass A New Day Has Come on sales since their US + Europe sales give 7 million for TEOM and 6 million for ANDHC although we already know that TEOM surpass ANDHC in Asia ?
Tane ,MTV Unplugged EP already sold 5 million worldwide shortly after its release in 1992.Celine Dion album was at 2 million sales worldwide since 1993.These haters said 6 - 7 million for MTV while they claim the same for CD eponymous album.Unison was stay at million sale wordwide till 1995.They claim 5 million worldwide for its today sales.When its come to Mariah,they limited her sales at the same sales they were at their release. But every Celine’s are increased by 2 or 3 times the less,even her flopped albums that are not popular at all.THis is the tricks that used to explain Celine’s 1990’s albums surpass Mariah’s cause they were counted by late.Do you really swallow this bullsh**? Tane,Celine has just 1 biggest album rival of Mariah ‘s that surpass one of Mariah at 1990’s.This is Let’s Talk About Love that surpass Daydream. Music Box equals Falling Into You.All others Mariah’s 1990’s surpass all Celine’s 1990’s albums.No matter what claim links,sources,lists,ranks,Institutions,etc… Mariah’s 1990 albums surpass Celine’s !
Now Tane,how could you explain Celine outsold Mariah by 25- 30 million albums ? Do you believe it just because you read it on some links? You are wrong my dear.Celine doesn’t surpass Mariah even by 5 - 10 million album.Wake up !
Just to make it clear. Il Divo are not really influenced
by any of these as they are pop-opera singers, which
has nothing to do with what Celine, Mariah and Whitney
sing. It is more likely to have Luciano Pavarotti or
Andrea Boceli as an influence but definitely NOT
pop/rnb singers.
Think Mariah as an influence is a big joke. They don’t
use any of Mariah’s singing styles.
- They Don’t Use Melisma
- They Don’t Use Vocal Runs at all
- They Don’t try to sound rnb or soul.
- They belong to a different genre.
- No of them uses the lower register often.
- They don’t use Mariah’s style of playing with notes,
(up and down) like she did on ”O Holy Night” for
instance.
They obviously have much respect for these women so
they coverd their songs. Showing respect has nothing to
do with influence.
- As I already explained that’s not the case with
Leona and Kelly singing Celine songs because they
actually didn’t own their versions. They used the
exact same notes, belted at the exact same points
and sustained notes at the parts where Celine did so.
Their versions were Karaoke-ish. Moreover both of them
have mentioned Celine is a vocal influence. - Just not
to the level Mariah is.
I made everything clear now. Only a dumbass wouldn’t
get my points. :D
@What the What:
This is not you that could say me what to do.Are you a judge? Why do you still after my post ? Very dear,if you got brain,you should know that IFPI doesn’t give proofs for its claims on Nana 200 million albums.this is not me you can accuse.You must question IFPI lies ! Not my arguments that brought light on this ! You just try to trap me,but you are wrong.I just show IFPI lies on Nana’s sales ! Who could say that I am wrong ??? I you think that I was wrong,just prove Nana’s 200 million albums sales worldwide.End Of Story …
At least,MTV is a musical institution,but what do you say about Guinness that have nothing to do with sales count? Besides,I never based my solid arguments on MTV,I am not stupid.
I don’t have to give you any link,since I don’t base my arguments on “links” but on facts.links doesn’t mean “facts”,links biase facts very often.
If Let’s Talk About Love HAS sold 1 million in Brazil,Music Box sold 10 million in that country!
This is so simple.
About what I said “I don’t have to prove it since you never proved your lies about Celine equals Mariah on single sales at 1990’s and 2000’s” I didn’t adress this to you,but to Lucky Luke.So,let him answer to me by is own cause I don’t want to answer to his lawyers ,ok? You are most Immature than me when you come here to defend Lucky Luke and other Mariah’s haters without even try to use a little bit of neutrality !
My life is my own problem,don’t worry about it.You’d better worried about yours and your allies.ok?You are not enough to dissed me.Try again.Your opinion is just stupid and silly !
Christian is imitating Mariah ! She does exactly the same vocals than Mariah in many of her songs !She just can”t reach Mariah’s perfection,but she emulates her. Her uns sounds like Mariah’s.And many of her belts sounds just like Whitney’s ! You try to confound us,cause Christina can’t reach Mariah’s vocals at 100 % !Maybe you just hate Christina Aguilera, Anyway,her voice and sing skills are 100 times better than Celine’s.She’s closest to Mariah in voice than Celine,sorry liar.
Abourt Charice ,a phillipian poster said us that MC is Charice’s influence.That’s is way mor e reliable than anything you could find in the internet.
LEARN HOW TO READ ! You talked about styles.
I never questioned Mariah’s influence on Xtina.
Celine could slay Christina vocally anytime. Christina
doesn’t sing notes, she strains them. Why would I hate
Christina ? She can’t reach Celine and Mariah - my
faves - on any level.
Stop asking people questions and prove us how MC sells
300m records, when ALL Sources show 200-220m the most.
You are the one who contradicts so the burden of proof
falls on your side. You claim 200m for Celine and I say
230m, so no big deal on that. This difference of 30m
seems indiferent and irrelevant if you put it next to
the 80m difference on MC sales. THAT’S THE PROBLEM HERE.
YOU LYING BIG TIME ON MARIAH’S SALES ! AND DENYING ALL
REAL FACTS OF HER CAREER.
You don’t trust links but facts ?
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha !!!
What Facts ? DEFINE the word ”Fact” and then bring
your ”facts” if you dare.
No need to repeat that I contradict with no sources.
No need to repeat I have proved almost everything but
you just choose to ignore them.
Once again ! GIVE THE DEFINITION OF ”FACTS” AND
BRING THEM HERE. LOL
Keep amusing me !
And if we had to say something on your life the best
thing we could do to describe it would be to say
nothing. Pure silence. As you don’t have a real life.
You live like a psycho parasite. LMAO ! Nobody here
really cares about you and none of my fave singers would
ever care to reply to you since they don’t give a sh**
on your sad existence.
”a phillipian poster said us that MC is Charice’s influence”
Ha ha ha ! WHAT A LIE ! Who the fu** is he ?
Anything I find on the internet ? Internet ?
Wake up ! It is a video from Oprah show. Oprah Show
is in REAL LIFE !!!
Open you ears to hear what Charice said that night. Look
how she cried once she saw Celine on screen. Open your
eyes to see the painting she did, showing herself and
Celine huging each other. See how many times she has
been covering Celine songs. Her fave song ever is a
Celine song.
You are dead and gone, bitch.
”If Let’s Talk About Love HAS sold 1 million in Brazil,Music Box sold 10 million in that country!
This is so simple.”
If Music Box sold 10m in that country then Lets Talk
About sold 30m in that country.
Look at you. How pathetic. Denying even Celine’s
Million certifications. LMAO. What a weirdo.
Who are you to tell me I can’t reply on posts that are not directed to me? YOU have been doing this for a year. Again, you ignored my questions for you. Once more, learn HOW to read! I have never said ANYTHING about Nana’s sales. I used it as an example from one of YOUR posts! MTV was just an example dear. If links are biased, then where do you get your infos from? You also claimed that magazines are biased! You say you just state the facts, nothing from links, but you have to get your infos from SOMEWHERE! From your imagination? I’M immature? You’re the one who keeps on insulting everyone, even Mariah fans, when they admit Celine has sold more than her!
“If Let’s Talk About Love HAS sold 1 million in Brazil,Music Box sold 10 million in that country!”PLEASE tell me how this makes sense at all?!?!? You have used this logic numbers of times, and yet it has never made any sense!
Why am I still after your posts? Why are YOU still here? This is only my third post, when you must have posted at least 100 posts! I have already answered that question in my other 2 posts!
You say I’m not enough to diss you. And this is coming from someone who can’t prove their “facts”, who can’t answer any of the questions given to her, and who keep giving us multiple answers for every question!
Still waiting for the definition of the word FACTS.
Once someone uses a word they must be in position to
explain it.
Still waiting for sales estimations and certifications
of Mariah’s first 5 singels to begin the whole singles
debate. So don’t say I try to avoid the topic. I am here
and totally ready to prove my statements. But we will do
it step by step.
Now you go first. I am clear :
1) Explain FACTS.
2) Bring Certifications & Estimations on singles from
Mariah debut.
Christina sings notes way better than Celine.She has much more vocal techniques than Celine and outsang her effortless.
I repeat,links are not facts.How a link could mean a fact? Check an encyclopedia for the meaning of the word if you don’t know it,this is not mem that is allowed to give you its meaning!
I am still laugh at how you are ready to swallow
everything that ”proves” Mariah’s superiority.
Once someone said he is from Philipines you just BELIEVED
all his facts. When official sources and media post
the truth they lie. LMAO How biased. Believing a person
behind a PC while being sceptic on all sources, just
because it seems convinient.
No need to mention that another person claimed to be
from Philipines and called Mariah a pig and totally
flopped and uknown there.
See POST 67. Do you also believe that guy from
Philipines like you believed the other one ?
I bet you don’t, cause it is not convinient anymore,
right ?
LOL You are a pathetic biased sad excuse for a fan.
Celine has just more success than Christina, and is also older but Christina has a better voice by very far ! Your preference toward Celine can’t change this ! About Charice The fact is that Celine as zero influence on her ! Charice just like her .Celine just had a few artists that respect her ,and that perform some good songs created by composers and producers, that Celine had perform before them .
You said nobody cares about what I said ,I don’t care about them as well.I post my posts in the blog,that’s all.I don’t post them because of anyone.Besides,why do you have to reply since nobody cares about what I said ? You just want to lose your time here ?Is this Because you have no life? How a normal guy that have a life could ever stand behind he’s pc everyday,everytime by posting lies and craps.That’s what you call having a life?
Yes,Let’s Talk About Love could sold 30 million in Brazil only in the links,since Brazilian people doesn’t know Celine at all,neither her music.But in the reality,only Mariah Carey sold impressive amount of albums there for being known and popular there ! Celine’s achievements stay in links while Mariah’s are in the concret reality !
I prefer being a bitch,rather than having Celine’s life.What meaning got a woman life without love? Poor Celine,she’s extremely rich,but still ignore the true feelings of love and sex…LMAO ! How a woman could ever be in love with an old ,delicate and sick man?
Tell me which facts you trust. You used the word so you
explain it to me.
Go on and bring certifications and estimations on
Mariah’s debut singles so we talk on single sales.
Christina doesn’t sing. She screams with a high larynx
position which indicates straining. She uses unhealthy
technique. Celine could slay her anytime. Christina
uses her throat to hit simple B4 notes. Pathetic.
But I guess you don’t understand what I am explaining.
Charice is influenced by Celine and I have proved it.
She said it herself. Did you see the video or not ?
The video is from real life.
I don’t know WHY THE FU** you insist on that since
I have said many many many times that Mariah has a
bigger vocal influence.
Celine is in love with Rene as she even gave up her
career in 1999/2000 to stand by him. Her life is full
of love, happiness and positivity.
Your life is full of hatred towards people.
If you had a normal life you wouldn’t feel the need to
mock artists.
If you were smart you would first try to educate yourself
You can’t even speak proper English, which is THE
Universal language. How pathetic.
Your life choice is to be here and post crap, while you
had the chance to improve yourself. Still you prefer to
live like a psychotic uneducated animal. The fact that
you insult Celine makes you Celine’s bitch, nothing more
or less. Beside being Celine’s bitch, you are also
Mariah’s goat (not lamb really!) as you said Mariah sold
over 200m albums, while posting 160m+ per country.
How silly. You don’t even know maths. :/ Poor thing.
Hope you lose your virginity soon. :) You will calm down.
???? ??? ??????? ???? ??????? ! <3
@ what the what
You have been owning that stupid whale’s ass. I think
I could retire if I new you’d be around here. LOL
Look how she avoids answering… I LOVE IT WHEN SHE
DOES THAT. PROVES SHE CAN’T REPLY. THIS FEELING IS
PRICELESS. She has been avoiding my questions since
August. LOL Sometimes I feel sorry for her :( but
what can I do…I have to be harsh with idiots.
School her !
Celine can’t reach Christina’s notes,don’t lie on this since everyone can listen on their respective songs.Christina’s belts are not as predictable and inflexible as Celine’s.Christina also have much better soft notes than Celine.No matter if she screams with a large larynx since her belts and high notes sound straight and amazing unlike Celine’s that screams with her nose and that sound so nasal and so stiff! Christina is way better !
About virginity? You consider virginity as a handicap? I don’t think so.Even if I am not virgin,I consider it as a precious gift.Maybe you consider it as a handicap because you’re still a virgin that is so frustrated and so angry against normal people.Fortunately,I have no problem on that,dont worry.Celine still virgin till the time she gave birth to Rene-Charles,since she never ever get a sexual intercourse with a man during her whole life.She has just her money and her Awards to hug and kiss!
I am the one who takes and assume everything I wrote here, without the need to be criticized by anybody else.I do it when I want and while.No matter if I do it for a year,10 years,100 years,etc…This is my problem,not yours.
Who are you to dare reprimand me?
Who are you to reply on posts that are not directed to you ? I have been doing this for a year.SO WHAT ??? What is your problem on this?
Who said that Mariah has sold 300 million albums ? Learn how to read yourself before to jump on people then spread your critic material.
About links,yes I assume that most of them are biased ( every links used by Mariah’s haters here).Infos already existed before internet and links! Mariah’s haters themselves always refute the few links giving by a few lambs in that debate,saying they are biased.I don’t trust any info (not just links) that is based on estimation.This is so easy to be partial and subjective when a info is just based on estimations.That’s why I always claim Mediatrafic,IFPI,Billboard,etc… are not reliable since their datas lies on estimations.I even gave many proves about some huge mistakes and partialities that huge institutions like IFPI and Guinness already did at the past.That’s why I refered to Nana’s sales.There is a HUGE difference between a institution that count sales and certifies albums and singles sales based on their real counts and some institutions that certifies albums and singles just on some estimations base.I don’t remember that I’d ever express myself about magazines.
I insult people when they want to impose me their own arguments as established facts while they even refuse to understand mines that they claim coming from my imagination.You first called me immature,but I think that you are.Otherwise,you should show much more neutrality on what you say about my posts and those of my opponents.I didn’t insult Mariah’s fans, when they admit Celine has sold more than her! There is only one Mariah fan in that debate that claim Celine outsold Mariah in albums,this is Tane.I never insulted Tane,even when she returns with her arguments.Tane herself can’t say that I ever insulted her.She’s the only one regular Mariah fan (after me)that still post comments in the debate.So,don’t accuse me to insult Mariah’s fans,I am not stupid.
About the brazilian sales of Let’s Talk About Love,I return you your question : “PLEASE tell me how this makes sense at all?!?!? ” I check many differnt sources,but never,ever I didn’t see LTAL reach million sales in Brazil ! This is so funny ! I am sure that already exist a link claiming 30 million sales for this album in Brazil as said the other hater…
Why I’m still here? You’d better question the other debaters this same question,I am not the only one debater here.Why they are still here ? Why do you question me about it? This is an examination? Who are you ?
Maybe this is only your third post, when I must have posted at least 100 posts! But,I am not the only one that have posted at least 100 posts ! Why do you question me like this ? This is a debate about Celine Dion and Mariah Carey.What do you want from me ?
Yes,I said that you are not enough to diss me.You have a problem with it ?
You said “this is coming from someone who can’t prove their “facts”, who can’t answer any of the questions given to her, and who keep giving us multiple answers for every question!”
“giving us” So,you identify you clearly as one of my opponents.So,how could you adress me your nil critics? You are not better than them.
First,I always prove everything I claim here unlike “your allie” that try to reduce every facts on crap links.
Second,you are not in the place to judge about my arguments and posts since you clearly identify you as a opponent.
Let me tell you very dear,find something else to do,cause your little speech doesn’t impress me at all.
It’s you who are going on my nerves.
You gave NO proofs. Which sources do you trust at all?
Tell me?
I have mediatraffic, IFPI, Guinness and particular links.
You ?
Read post 101, where YOU clearly say that Mariah sold 300 million. You keep contradicting with yourself and you don’t even know it! I’m STILL waiting for your answer on the perfumes. You said in post 322 in the continuation of this discussion that “Mariah’s perfume Lollipop Bling is nominated for Fifi Award ! Any Celine perfume hadn’t nominated !” LEt me list all the awards won or nominated for Celine’s fragrances from her first to last.
2004 FiFi Award for Women’s Fragrance of the Year - Popular Appeal (Celine Dion Parfums)
2004 Cosmetic Executive Women Beauty Award for Women’s Scent (Celine Dion Parfums)
2006 FiFi Award for Women’s Fragrance of the Year - Popular Appeal (Celine Dion Belong)
2006 FiFi Award for Best Packaging - Women’s Popular Appeal (Celine Dion Belong)
2007 FiFi Award for Women’s Fragrance of the Year - Popular Appeal (Always Belong)
2007 FiFi Award for Best Packaging - Women’s Popular Appeal (Always Belong)
2007 French Fragrance Industry - Best Female Fragrance Launch in Mass Distribution in 2006 (Enchanting)
2008 FiFi Award for Women’s Fragrance of the Year - Popular Appeal (Enchanting)
2008 Shape of Beauty Aware for Mood Boosting Fragrance of the Year (Sensational)
2009 FiFi Award for Women’s Fragrance of the Year - Popular Appeal (Sensational)
You said Billboard was one that couldn’t be trusted, but on the continuation of this discussion, you kept reffering to some of your facts to Billboard!
If YOU don’t think it’s not my buisness to ask you why you reply on posts that are not directed to you, then it shouldn’t be your buisness asking me! STOP CONTRADICTING WITH YOURSELF!!
Yes, facts can come from somewhere besides links or magazines, but you have to get it somewhere? What? Did you call Mariah’s and Celine’s labels and ask them their records? Give me a name! JUST a name of where you got this from!
You don’t insult Mariah fans? Oh really? Posts 72 and 76. READ IT!
There you go again! You checked many sources and couldn’t find 1 million sold in Brazil! What were the sources?!?!?! I found it on my first search!
Why am I still here? I have answered that question TWICE! I don’t think you can read.
And you’re no better than us!
“Second,you are not in the place to judge about my arguments and posts since you clearly identify you as a opponent.” And you are clearly not in the place to judge about my arguments and posts, and for that matter, any of the replies posted by Celine fans because you identify YOURSELF as an opponent!
You have said you don’t hate Celine! But then why do you keep calling her offensive naes? Like Ugline Oldion?? You see, calling names makes you look like a bigger fool than you already are!
Might want to learn a bit more English dear.
‘No matter if she screams with a large larynx since her belts and high notes sound straight and amazing”
-> Music theory proves you wrong. Singing with a high
larynx = 0 resonance , strain and harms vocal cords. And
Christina does that on simple Bb4 notes. Celine never
strains unless she reaches the E5 notes. You know nothing
on music theory. And what you said ”screaming = straight
and amazing belts” confirms my theory and gives an end
to vocal discussion.
”Celine still virgin till the time she gave birth to Rene-Charles,since she never ever get a sexual intercourse with a man ”
-> Yes, that makes you sound normal.
”This is my problem,not yours”
-> Yes, it is a big problem and I am free to mention it
as much as I like. If you don’t like hearing about it,
do something to change it. Othewise, you have to tolerate
my comments somehow.
”I don’t trust any info (not just links) that is based on estimation”
-> You are a big liar, cause you have been doing nothing
but bringing your own inflated estimations. So don’t
LIE to us that you don’t trust estimations. Wikipedia
estimations has been your only weapon for over a year.
LIAR.
”they claim coming from my imagination”
-> I am sorry but it is pretty much logical thinking you
create stuff since you have been asked in a POLITE way
(initially) to post your references and you can’t. Of
course it is a result of your imagination saying MC
sold over 40m or 50m or 60m albums in Asia, AFTER you had
clearly said you didn’t know sh** on her Asian sales.
”There is only one Mariah fan in that debate that claim Celine outsold Mariah”
And 95% of lambs in real life admit that. Just check her
FAN MADE sites. They exist even per country. People
don’t have a problem on this cause it is not a big deal.
Or check her management teams acclaims, the ones MC and
whole media world and industry accept.
”I check many differnt sources,but never,ever I didn’t see LTAL reach million sales in Brazil ! ”
Ok. Mention me 3 of these ”many” sources. I bet you
can’t cause you lied, like you had lied about checking
sources on Nana’s sales. But you see I am being nice
right ? You said ”many” and I only ask for 3 :)
”I always prove everything I claim here.”
No, you don’t. We are not a team of idiots to tell you
you haven’t proved a thing. How do you dare
using the word ”prove” when you claim 200m albums
contradicting with all sources ? and ok you don’t trust
sources, I see. How do dare to say you proved everything
when you used to post 160m sales per market and that is
changed to 200m ? 40m is a HUGE difference by the way. I
have been repeating this and you keep avoiding it.
- To put is simple : I have an OPEN MIND to understand
people that don’t trust sources because many of these
REALLY make mistakes. What I DON’T understand is having
a person LYING that what her posts are the result of
researching the facts. That is a big lie ! And I mean
LIE ! NO FACT PROVE MARIAH’S SALES. Simple as that.
As of your insults…mentioning AIDS ? Attacking Gays ?
Attacking Age ? Attacking personal choices of women that
never harmed you ? You can’t drop any lower than this.
Only people having personal problems and insecurities
have the tedency to mock and insult. Sorry…
And by the way…her ”little speech” owned you.
Like usual.
@ Everyone
I had already replied on Celine’s Fragrances Awards and
Nominations on POST 5. Someone can’t read…or
comprehend.
Celine in 00s :
- Sold Over 7.000.000 high priced tickets in 6 years.
- Grossed over $522.000.000 from concerts.
- Made over $226.000.000 from album sales.
- Grossed $850.000.000 in parfumes.
- Sold 4m+ Dvds from 2007-2011.
- Currently she has the biggest contract for an
entertainment live deal in music history. Grossed
$14.000.000+ by doing 20 sold out recidency shows.
- She has a strong, stable contract with Sony Bmg.
- Her shows for early 2012 are already on sales.
FACTS people. Real FACTS.
latimesblogs.latimes.com/music_blog/2010/01/celine-dion-reaches-peak-of-the-decades-ultimate-top-10.html
I don’t understand,why do you answer to me Moff ? Did I adress a post to you? Are you under What The What nickname? How could you said “It’s you who are going on my nerves.”??? Is this a plot against me?
You still repeat I gave no proofs,but which sources did you give ? Sorry Moff,IFPI and Mediatric doesn’t count sales,they are based on estimations.I have RIAA that really count sales in US! IFPI even doesn’t count sales in Europe while it make statements on worldwide sales of artists…LMAO ! This is so delusional !
Learn how to read my dear.In my post 101,I meant 300 record sales for Mimi,(200 million albums and 100 million Singles)not 300 million albums.I didn’t contradict with myself.If you had really read my comments you would seen that I always demand 200 million albums for Mariah,not 300 million ones.Now,who have the need to learn how to read ? Surely not me !
You are STILL waiting for my answer on the perfumes? Hahaha ! You are so funny ! What do you could prove else after Celine’s perfumes? Her Show at Las Vegas ? Dear honey,this debate is about Musical achievements.If you don’t have any achievement to prove your idol worth something,don’t try to take advantage on her perfumes,ok? When I said Celine doesn’t have a nominated perfume,I talked for the year 2011,not on the past ! This is so hopeless to stay on this.Perfumes sales doesn’t includes on musical records sales.ok?
You prove one more time that you don’t know how to read.I said Billboard is reliable in the case of Charts,but not on the sales question since Billboard doesn’t count sales.It make estimation like IFPI and Mediatrafic.
Yes I refered to Mariah’s achievements and records at Billboard ( Number 1 hits,her records by producing and composing songs)!
Facts can be explain only by relevant certifications.(RIAA certifications,World Music Award per album)Not a sudden award like the delusional Chopard Award,or some foolish IFPI and Guinness citations.
You are really funny to call the delusional ones of posts 72 and 73 ” Mariah fans” I am not stupid.I can recognize a Mariah fan by just he’s first comment.Only Tane is a Mariah fan here since Momo,Carla,Gambit,Shannon,etc…
Besides,how can you say that I insulted those debaters ( 72 and 73) I await you to show me how I insulted them ! You really need to learn how to read my dear !
You really proved that you are worse than me on reading !
Don’t confound me,I said that I never see Let’s Talk About Love reach million sales in Brazil.Not that Celine doesn’t totalize million sales there.
I never judge Celine fans posts,I just refute some arguments and lies posted by them.Then posted true datas and sales.
I don’t hate Celine and I didn’t insult her.Calling her ugly and old is not mad since she really is in facts !
You called me fool? Hahaha! you are more fool than me by jumping in the debate when you don’t even understand nothing on what is discussed here.
About my english,don’t worry,this is not my native language.At least,I am able to take part in this blog in .I don’t think that you could ever integrate a french language blog or a danish language one.I also read and wrote Spanish and german languages.Don’t ridiculize my English cause I am way better than you in different languages mastered !
So you trust RIAA and World Music Award, then tell me please how do you “form” the sales of Mariah by these 2 sources. Do it, please.
Blablabla…Dear Lucky Luke,you just make people laugh when you think that you are an expert just because you use some technical terminologies…Bb4 notes,E5 notes,blabla…You just fail.
Christina is way better than Celine as vocalist.Celine couldn’t do even the half of what Christina is able to do.Delusional fanatic ! face the reality.Christina go higher and lower than Celine.Moreover,she has a much more flexible voice and a much more wider vocal range.Using words as bb2, E5 notes can’t make Celine better.Sorry,even if I prefer celine’s songs,I am objective enough to say that Christina has a better voice than Celine.
Besides,who cares if Celine use larynx,if Celine use her nose,etc… in songs? What is matter is the vocal quality of songs and Christina’s songs have a better quality than Celine’s.This is all the truth.
”Celine still virgin till the time she gave birth to Rene-Charles,since she never ever get a sexual intercourse with a man ”
This is not by my fault if Celine doesn’t know what is called love and sex.Don’t blame me honey.So,move on this.
You can say anything you want about your crap accusations on Wikipedia,etc…I have nothing to justify since all my arguments lies on truth !
DON’T DARE CALL ME LIAR ! OK ?
Anyway I could never equal you on lies and tricks ! you are the deserving champion Lucky Luke.
Yes,there is only Tane that claim Celine outsold Mariah in this debate.
In real life 99% of Celine’s fans admit that Mariah surpass her on everything,including records sales !
I said no institution doesn’t count Mariah’s sales in the whole asia continent.Then,I state that Mariah sold over 50 million albums in Asia according to her huge popularity and success there.What is hurting you on this ?
You said that ; “I don’t have a problem on this cause it is not a big deal.” So,why do you still fight with me about this and never stopped to post comments?
About Nana’s sales.I was more than right.She has’nt even crap sources and partial links to support her delirium sales unlike Madonna and Celine that have so much.otherwise,you would be more than happy tobring them here and prove me wrong.
All of you are delusional here !
”If you had really read my comments you would seen that
I always demand 200 million albums for Mariah”
-> BIG LIE. Your sales per markets stated Mariah
sold 160m albums+
”Dear honey,this debate is about Musical achievements”
-> No. This debate is about success. Everything that
proves their success is relevant.
”World Music Award per album”
LMAO. How manipulative. Celine’s award was NOT suudden.
Everything is explained.
”I said that I never see Let’s Talk About Love reach
million sales in Brazil”
-> You said none of your sources showed 1m in Brazil
for this album. And you don’t mention the sources.
Fell in your trap again ? Yes.
”Christina is way better than Celine as vocalist.Celine couldn’t do even the half of what Christina is able to do”
-> No. Celine slays Christina in singing. Aren’t you the
same idiot that said straining is powerful singing ? Yes.
Dismissed.
And the notes I know are part of my music knowledge. You
lack any music information so you stop right here.
”Vocal Quality in songs” Oh you are really stupid.
Everything Christina can do, Celine can do it better with
no strain, double resonance, without hurting her vocal
cords and sounding like a female not a man. It is not by
chance Celine uses her instrument for over 32 years. If
her singing technique was bad - or worse than Xtina’s -
she couldn’t sing a single note.
”This is not by my fault if Celine doesn’t know
what is called love and sex. Don’t blame me honey.So,move on this.”
LMAO ! Show us your pic, bitch to see how beautiful are.
”You can say anything you want about your crap
accusations on Wikipedia,etc…I have nothing to justify
since all my arguments lies on truth !”
Silly accusations ? No. I proved my point giving many
arguments at the other debate. Once you were called out
on sth you could only reply based on the limited
Wikipedia info. #EXPOSED
”DON’T DARE CALL ME LIAR ! OK ?”
Ouch. Well..You are a big fat manipulative lying freak.
”In real life 99% of Celine’s fans admit that Mariah
surpass her on everything,including records sales !”
LMAO
- The industry awarded Celine.
- The media hail Celine.
- The press writes on Celine.
- Mariah’s labels and sites and managers say she sold 200m.
- All sources on internet show Celine ahead.
LOL Funny how Celiniacs tell the opposite ! xa xa xa !
Maybe you should take a look at how many people have been
dissing your total bullacrap. I could mention 15.
”I said no institution doesn’t count Mariah’s
sales in the whole asia continent.Then,I state that Mariah sold over 50 million albums in Asia according
to her huge popularity and success there”
You have a weak memory. You said you don’t know and then
repeated your fake estimations. And you can’t support
your thought to huge ”popularity and success”
because this is what we need to prove : her success.
Ok imbecill ?
About Nana’s sales : The issue is that you LIED that you
trusted sources. You followed 0 sources, just your
deluded mind as usual and then LIED that you did your
research.
And for your info…neither Mariah does have crap sources
to support your delirium. #FAIL
Finally —> Me saying 230m for Celine and you 200m for
her is not big deal and in case you haven’t noticed I
haven’t insisted that much on this. The problem is YOU
saying Mariah sold 300m. I have at least 7 sources that
say the opposite. Mariah’s sources, I mean. The ones
she accepts as well. So the burden of proof falls on
your side. Think of it.
Your arguments don’t lie on truth. Everything you post
is the result of your sick mind. Do us a favour and
run loose on a freeway, bitch.
Oops, I meant sales records. Either way, it’s way off. Think before you speak. English is my second language too. And I could say the same to you, saying “I don’t think that you could ever integrate a Japanese language blog.I also read and write in Spanish and french languages.Don’t ridiculize my English cause I am way better than you in different languages mastered!” this is all in your words, taking out the languages you wrote in. And I will repeat what The Reason said. Define fact! Looking ugly and old is not a fact, but an opinion.
True datas and sales? And yet you can’t give me ONE simple source??? You keep ignoring all my questions directed to you but you can answer some questions given to you by someone else?
You’re telling me I need to read? You can’t even properly read the right posts I gave you to read. And I can tell if someone hates or is a fan of Celine. And you’re a hater.
This is not just about musical achievements. If it was, you wouldn’t have brought up anything about Celine’s love life. Actually, this doesn’t even have ANYTHING with her success. Don’t assume anything. Because you are so wrong. I bet you don’t even have a bf. You gotta read better. You posted the post that talked about perfumes in 2010. Obviously, you couldn’t have talked about 2011.
You’re really embarrassing yourself here! Yeah yeah, I’m embarrassing myself. Such a stupid comeback.
whoops. I mean numbers of the posts
@ GUTTERFLY
You said we should judge by World Music Award per album
Here : Mariah :
WORLD MUSIC AWARDS 1995 - About the Year 1994
1.Best Selling American Recording Artist
2.Best Selling World Recording Artist
3.Best Selling Pop Artist
WORLD MUSIC AWARDS 1996 - About Year 1995
1.Best Selling Female R&B Artist
2.Best Selling Overall Female Recording Artist
3.Best Selling Female Pop Artist
4.Best Selling American Female Recording Artist
WORLD MUSIC AWARDS 1998 - About Year 1997
1.Female Entertainer of The Year
2.Best Selling Female Soul/R&B Artist
3.Best Selling Artist of the 90’s (CAREER AWARD)
WORLD MUSIC AWARDS 2000
1.Best Selling Female Artist of the Millennium ***
2.Best Selling R&B Female
WORLD MUSIC AWARDS 2005 - About Year 2005
1.Best Comeback of the Year
2.Best Selling Pop Female Artist
4.Best Selling R&B Artist
5.Female Entertainer Of The Year
6.We Belong Together World’s Most-Played Single
WORLD MUSIC AWARDS 2008
1.Special Achievement Award (18 Number 1s)
——————————————->
THREE of her albums were the reason she recieved the
”best seller” awards per year.
- Music Box (1995)
- Daydream (1997)
- TEOM (2005)
Ok ? I played with YOUR rules.
Why would this impress me ? ? ?
Celine won same awards :
World’s Overall Best Selling Recording Artist of the year
(1997)
World’s Best Selling Female Pop Artist (1999)
World’s Best-Selling Female Pop Artist (2000)
—————————————->
So they have same amount of ”Awards per year.”
FIRST FAIL. EPIC FAIL cause that was your only argument.
Now Take Note :
If we base our thoughts on World Music Awards in general
that means Celine wins again cause she was the last to
recieve a Career award. If you call this irrelevant that
would be mean that World Music Awards are not to be
trusted in general.
YOU USE TO MAKE GENERAL COMMENTS FROM SPECIFIC FACTS :
Like you did with IFPI. You judged the instituion
as biased and partial (GENERAL COMMENT)
because of the whole Nana’s sales stuff (SPECIFIC FACT)
Therefore IF Celine’s Award is irrelevant (SPECIFIC FACT)
that means World Music Awards in general are irrelevant
(GENERAL COMMENT)
- RIAA is not enough because it is only about Us sales.
Besides, we know how much they sold there.
Mariah :
65 Platinum Album Certifications = 65m = 68m Album Sales
15 Platinum And 13 Gold Singles = 22m = 32m Single Sales
Celine :
52 Platinum Certifications = 52m = 54m Album Sales
4 Platinum And 4 Gold Singles = 6m = 12m Single Sales
PLATINUM : The Power Of Love, It Is All Coming Back To
Me Now, I Am Your Angel, Because You Loved Me.
GOLD : Beauty And The Beast, All By Myself, A New Day
Has Come and My Heart Will Go On.
And before you start goating see that I added 11m for
Mariah’s NOT certified singles and 6m for Celine’s. I
don’t contradict and I am very careful with PROPORTIONS.
With Love, The Reason <3
What the what: Where do you come from? In the psychiatric hospital? You keep say that I have to learn reading while you mix everything I claimed here.
I talk about 300 million of records,you accuse me to claim 300 million albums now you just say “I meant sales records”.Who have the need to learn how to read ? I talked about Mariah’s perfume that is nominated for the 2011 fifi Awards,but you say that I did it since 2010 ! You prove to everyone here how much you are crazy and how much you are unable to read ! You’d better buy some new glasses !
You are still after my writing style.I don’t give a sh** about what you say on my english.This is not a grammar study or a blog about our knowledge in English language.But a blog of discussion about two artists.
This is you that have to Think before you speak.Cause you just say the opposite of what you wanna express !
You said ” Define fact! Looking ugly and old is not a fact, but an opinion”. Really ? Very dear,opinion become fact when everyone agree with it ! Otherwise,there wouldn’t be supermodels and sex-symbols.Who could accuse someone that say ” Heidi Klum is beautiful beside Susan Boyles that is ugly ” this is a opinion ! This is a fact for everyone ! Even Susan’s own family would agree on this ! If I say Taylor Swift is young while Barbra Streisand is old This is an universal fact for everyone,not an opinion ! So,being old ,ugly,beautiful,nasal,etc… are facts,not just opinions !
You accuse me to be a Celine hater.I accuse you to be some Mariah haters as well !
What I said on Celine’s love and sex concerns another Mimi hater,not you.He said me that I hate Celine just because I am frustrated and will never be in Celine’s position.I agree that I will never be as rich and as famous as celine,but I got a true life with a man to giving me love and sex,unlike her that have just her money and Awards to hug and kiss !
I respect artists.but I don’t support when some vermins fanatic try to take me down just to lies about their idol !
You said that you bet that I don’t have a bf ,did you mean boyfriend? Hahaha! If it about that you talked,you are just wrong.But,I can’t blame you as you can’t see me through the debate,only read my posts.In what it is difficult to have a boyfriend? Honestly,do you really think that having a boyfriend need a big deal for a girl? I am really surprise to listen this!
Dear,I really don’t understand why you integrate this debate.If you do it just to convince me to give up,you fail honey.Trish never give up when do something as right and fair ! I will never tired to post comments like other debaters do.I will not the first to leave this debate anymore !
And you accuse me of using bad English. WOW! I couldn’t understand half of what you said. So if you don’t give a **** about it, just ignore that. Something I had to say so that maybe, you could work on it a bit more. Just because many people agree with one opinion doen’t make it a fact. Choose your words wisely, because you just proved that your 300 million sales fantasy is not a fact, since no one here believes it, and until I see some sources, it’s not even considered as a fact! Swift is young and Streisand is old. That’s a true fact because swift is now in her early 20’s and streisand is in her 60’s. But Mariah and Celine are about the same age. How does this make any sense, if you claim that Celine looks old but Mariah looks young? Because that is an opinion, not a fact. Mariah hasn’t even been nominated for an award since 2008. If that’s wrong, go a head and prove it to me. This is just a friendly statement. If I’m wrong, please prove it to me. This is all I’m going to reply, because your post had almost NOTHING to do with success. Once again, you ignored most of my success related replies.
Oops. My mistake. Mariah was nominated this year for a FiFi award. So I will admit that. See how I’m capable of admitting something? Even if it is a disadvantage to my idol?
LMAO
1) The girl already said she made a typing mistake to
write albums instead of records. And then added that
either way what you say is invalid. She proved her point.
She made it clear. Want to hear her point again ? Here :
She doesn’t think you are stupid for claiming MC sold
300m albums. She thinks you are stupid for claiming MC
sold 300m records. Ok now dumbass ?
2) Only a lunatic would make a corelation between age
and beauty to prove objectiveness. You make no sense.
Beauty is highly subjective. Your IQ Deficiency is a
fact.
3) Who told you we are going to be bored to post
comments ? I have been owning your ugly ass since
August. You are the one who avoids replying. So the
FAIL is all yours.
Sit down.
Ugly pressed narrow minded trash.
World Music Award/RIAA
Hahaha! You are really laighable ! Celine equals Mariah on amount of World Music Awards ? This is so funny ! It seems like every Celine’s achievements are increase at twice in every sources you check ! Hahaha! Let me remind you that Mrs Carey hold the record of the most World Music Awards winning EVER !
Mimi owns 17 World Music Awards while Celine won 12 or 13 ones.Don’t try to equals her to Mimi on this,ok?
What the what:You continue to prove how much you are unable to read.You accuse me to use bad english.I reply to you on this.Now you said that I accused you to using bad english.What that’s mean?
About what you said on Swift -Streisand and Dion-Carey,maybe it is more obvious that Swift is young while Streisand is old.But this is a fact that Mariah really look young beside Celine that look young for EVERYONE,even her haters can’t deny it.Even if both have almost the same age,Mariah always looks much more youngest than Celine.This is not just my opinion,but a fact for everyone ! If they were not famous,people would believe easily that Celine is 10- 20 years older than Mariah ! Nobody would never agree with someone that say Celine looks more beautiful and younger than Mariah because the opposite is an obvious fact for EVERYONE.I repeat you beauty,oldness,youthness,etc. are facts.That’s why people can make difference between the persons that are young,old,beautiful,average,ugly,etc… These are much more than opinions.They are facts !
World Music Award/ RIAA (Lucky Luke) said that RIAA is not enough cause it concern only sales in US.You are right,this is not enough,but I think this is why RIAA is more reliable than IFPI,Mediatrafic,etc… that states worldwide sales when they even doesn’t count the ones per continent !
But let’s move on this.
Let’s be honests.we all know that Mariah doesn’t sold 100 million records over Celine like claim TRISH (BUTTERFLY).But,neither Celine doesn’t sold 20 million records over Mariah.Keep our statements fair and right.Celine doesn’t really Mariah on total record sales.This is rather the opposite,let’s see:
Now if we consider European sales (Even if IFPI is not reliable,we have no other choice).We can base Celine and Mariah’s European sales on their certifications there.
Let’s consider Albums only:
We will see that Celine beats Mariah with a big difference of 26 million in Europe according to IFPI albums certifications.But we know Mariah beats Celine with a respectable difference in US.
Mariah : 65 million albums in US
Celine : 52 million albums in US
Celine : 54 million albums in Europe
Mariah : 27 million albums in Europe
Celine beats in canada.
Mariah beats in Japan.
Celine beats in whole Africa
Mariah beats in whole Asia ( Japan excluded here)
both are equals in Oceania (maybe a non significant difference ).
Latin America ?
West Indies ?
Singles :
US : Mariah wins with huge difference over Celine
Europe: Celine wins with a moderate difference over Mariah
Canada : Celine wins
Japan : Mariah wins
Africa : ?
Asia : Mariah wins
Oceania : Mariah wins
Latin America : Mariah wins
West Indies : ? Let’s be honest,its clear that Mariah sold more records worldwide than Celine.Even if Celine would beats Mariah in the countries sales are not clear,that could doesn’t make her outsold Mariah.So ,saying Celine outsold Mariah by 20 million records is a pure lie.The truth is that Mariah outsold Celine by 10 million records approximately.
@ BUTTERFLY
YOU mentioned on post 145 World Music Awards PER ALBUM !
So I replied on World Music Awards PER Album/Year Sales.
We didn’t talk about World Music Awards in general
because that would be irrelevant since some of them
are irrelevant to worldwide sales such as : comeback of
the year or Best selling Canadian artists.
I replied on what you said dear and I owned you. C Ya
ugly pressed animal.
@ Mandy
I advice to first prove to TRISH how Mariah doesn’t
sell 300m records, because this is the crazy thing here.
I wouldn’t care if people thought MC outsells Celine for
like 20m records. But 100m records over MC ? No. Sorry,
this is the issue here, so try to school Butterfly
insted. If you notice I haven’t been supporting Celine
the past month. I am just taking down Butterfly’s lies
on Mariah. We can talk on specific sales later. And there
is nothing wrong with the IPFI certification system. It
was Nana’s label that talked about her sales. Not IFPI.
That was a mistake. One thing strikes me : where did u
see that Mariah is popular in W.Indies ? I never heard of
it.
Typing Mistakes :
* But 100m over Celine ?
* IFPI
Something more :
Mariah has 16 Platinum Certifications in Europe.
Celine has 47 Platinum Certifications in Europe.
Over 31m difference in Europe.
The point is the difference of sales in each market. And
there is no market where Mariah can beat Celine for
30m albums. LOL
Even In Us where Mariah RULES we get a difference
of 12m albums in SHIPMENTS. Almost covered by their
respective success in Canada. The rest of the markets
(Africa, L.America, Oceania) are quite irrelevant
in record sales. So you are left with Asia. LOL
And none of you has pointed her sales there, except
for me and Tane. Tane brought a link that showed 18m in
Japan and 35m in total. I know Mariah sold 18m in Japan
and 35-40m there as well. And actually her Japanese sales
which BY FAR the biggest Asian market - the rest are
small - are NOT debatable. It is 18m.
It is not by chance she was never awarded outside US. LOL
Celine was awarded in Latin America, Canada, Europe,
Africa AND Us of course.
Mandy, if Mariah was THAT popular she would be able to
sell out arenas. And she can’t cause there is no people
demand. Simple.
Celine is ugly ? Old ? LMAO !
youtube.com/watch?v=7DrgIgnvamo
Try again loser.
TRASH can’t reply to questions. Silly.
She questions back for things she can’t swallow.Silly +.
She even copy pastes phrases. More silly.
She has been exposed for her lies. Even more silly.
She wrote two novels on personal bullacrap. Dead silly.
Lucky Luke,Mariah sold more than just 40 million albums in Asia,even if we doesn’t have proofs,that doesn’t mean her sales are average there.She’s ahead every international artists ever in whole Asia.
No,no Lucky Luke,I don’t agree with your logic that states
“It is not by chance Mariah was never awarded outside US.”
Celine was awarded in Latin America, Canada, Europe,
Africa AND Us of course.
Mandy, if Mariah was THAT popular she would be able to
sell out arenas. And she can’t cause there is no people
demand. Simple.
” You are wrong Lucky Luke.If you say so,lambs could say it’s not by nothing Celine doesn’t have Hits and doesn’t sold singles.Don’t mix musical achievements.Celine is more popular and successful on stage than Mariah.While Mariah is more popular and successful on Hit parades Charts than Celine and sells her singles much better.I could say that Celine doesn’t got hits and doesn’t sold her singles because people doesn’t demand her songs.Simple.
Let’s stay on albums question and certifications.We all already knows Celine’s and Mariah’s certifications sales in US,Europe and in some other part of the rest of the world.They doesn’t prove that Celine could surpass Mariah’s albums even by 10 million sales.Let’s be fair Lucky Luke.
About single certifications and sales,they show that Mariah’s singles surpass Celine’s by 20 million the very less.(But I really think 30- 40 million…Lol ).
Ok.Mariah doesn’t surpass Madonna on record sales like claimed TRISH,but at least you should recognize that Celine doesn’t surpass Mariah’s record sales as well.This is untrue !
Madonna
Mariah
Celine
Take it easy Celiniacs,I don’t want to fight like do Trish and Lucky Luke.I just try to bring more light on the sale question.The most important is that Mariah doesn’t surpass Celine by 100 million records neither Celine doesn’t surpass Mariah’s global records !
Mandy, unless you have specific proof, you can’t say Mariah outsold Celine. It sounds like you’re unsure of some of the sales records. Mariah has outsold Celine in Asia and the US for sure, and Celine outsold Mariah in Canada, Europe, and Africa. I’m not trying to be rude or anything like that. It’s just what I think I’m hearing.
I never implied Mariah is not ahead of everyone is Asia.
If you want to prove she sold way over 40m the burden of
proof falls on your side, not mine.
Celine doesn’t beat MC only in tours. She also beats her
in Dvd sales and her albums chart way stronger worldwide.
Celine’s success in soundtracks and projects is
unreachable and undeniable.
You insist on MC’s success in L.America which is quite
surreal as the only thing that comes to prove your
statement is a radio hit in Brazil in 2009. Nothing more.
No awards. No sales records. Mariah’s best seller this
decade (TEOM) charted withing the top 10 in some
L.American markets. Same goes for Africa. Celine topped
these charts with 2 of her albums that decade. Even
Taking Chances that was her lowest seller peaked at
number 1 at Africa. Celine has been awarded in
L.America, not Mariah. All Mariah’s efforts to sing
spanish songs were panned by music critics. Everything
you might claim about Mariah being successful in
L.America is highly unsupported. If you support
it somehow, I am open to listen.
As of Mariah singles success don’t lie to me that her
certifications prove she is ahead for 20m-40m. Get real.
Mariah’s best selling markets in terms of singles are
Us and Japan.
Mariah scored 13 number 1s in Japan, which make you think
she sold huge amount of singles there, but this is not
true. And I am not hating on MC. Out of her 13 singles
only 2 of them recieved certifications and sold well
because the rest were AIRPLAY singles. Here are
Mariah’s single sales in Japan :
- All I Want For Christmas Is You : 2xMILLION = 2m+
- Fantasy : Gold = 100k
Non of her other singles were released commercially.
Mariah’s total single sales in Japan stand at 2.5m.
Mariah’s total single sales in Us stand at 32m.
Mariah’s total single sales in UK stand at 6m. (Trish
proved that one).
Mariah’s total single sales in Oceania stand at 1.5m
which is an IMPRESSIVE number. Let me prove it to you :
Oceania = Australia & N.Zeland
Australia = 8 PLATINUM SINGLES (70k) and 11 GOLD (35k)
N.Zeland = 3 PLATINUM SINGLES (10k) and 12 GOLD (5k).
As of Canada both MC and Celine sold nothing there.
Actually no artist have single sales in Canada. As of
2005, many Canadian record labels stopped releasing
commerical singles because of low sales in that market.
I can’t explain that. Both Celine and MC have number 1s
there and none of them recieved a certification for
these.
Tell me your thoughts on these. Let’s move step by step.
Ok ?
And Mariah is not that huge in selling singles. She
released 34 commercial singles this decade and 20 of them
flopped.
And please, don’t call me a liar cause I don’t make
things out of my mind and I don’t support randon
theories. I like that you can actually discuss and be
polite and sorry if I took the hard road before.
Hi lambs,hi Celiniacs ! I am very glad to come back ,but I am very surprise to find Trish and Lucky still fight about sales question ,after so many months…LMAO !
Take it easy everyone———Lol !
Well,Mandy I think you are right ! Celine and Mariah are almost equals on total records.But Mariah has sold a lttle bit more than Celine because of her singles that sold much better than Celine’s.
@ MOMO
Hi Momo ! :)
That’s the issue here. Mariah’s singles didn’t sell so
much like all of you think.
Us : 32m
Europe : 15m (The Most)
Japan : 2.5m
Oceania : 1.5m
Canada : 1m (Let’s say)
52m singles. Add sales from rest of Asia, Africa and
L.America to see she sold like 55-60m. This is what I
am saying for MONTHS. I can go on with Celine’s singles
after we are done calculating Mariah’s.
”I could say that Celine doesn’t got hits and doesn’t sold her singles because people doesn’t demand her songs.”
I just read this. Well, that’s not valid as long as
people buy her albums, which include her singles/songs.
What a stupid delirium ! Mariah sold 2.5 million singles in Japan? then 55 - 60 million worldwide ? Then you called me liar and delusional ?
Let’s see celine’s singles.
Us : 5 m
Europe : 17m (The Most)
Japan : 0.5m
Oceania : 0.5m
Canada : 1m (Let’s say)
24m singles. Add sales from rest of Asia, Africa and
L.America to see she sold like 25-26m.Don’t forget Celine doesn’t has million seller singles those 12 last years.Mariah sold over 70 million singles more than Celine Dion.This is all the fact !
@ BUTTERFLY
Shut the fu** up and move your retarded ass to prove me
wrong. Stop typing messages and bring the Japanese
certifications I ”ignore” if you want to despute
something. No need to say that you are not in position
to talk about singles sales since :
- You avoid bring certifications for Mariah’s 5 singles.
- You thought Mariah sold 6m records in UK #LOL
- You lied about Mariah’s number 1s in Jamaica etc
- You said Mariah sold over 50m singles in Us while RIAA
and Billboard have proved sales of 31m by 2010. FACT
- You kept changing your numbers for Mariah’s best
seller -> 20m, then 12m , then 10m and so on.
Now that I proved your inablity to talk we move on.
Mariah is huge in Japan but Sony Bmg hardly ever
releases singles there commercially. We all know Mariah
and then Madonna and then Celine are the three top
sellers in Asia and NONE of them has many
commercial singles released there. Use your mind once.
Madonna has 20 number 1s in Japan and biggest amount of
these are Airplay hits, nothing more.
And I am very right with all my claims.
Her Oceania singles stand at 1.5m (Dead Clear)
Her UK singles stand at 6m+ (Proved By You)
Her Us singles stand at 32m+ (Proved RIAA, Billboard)
Even if you put like 10m singles sold in Japan you still
can’t prove your sh**ty theory about Mariah selling
100m singles worldwide. All lambs here have put you in
total shame for these pathetic biased and laughable
figures. Same thing the whole community of lambs does
in Mariah’s respective fansites.
As of your Celine parody I will prove your bullcrap
after we are done with Mariah.
You proved nothing more. We already knew you an idiot
psychotic low life bitch that can’t think to save her
life.
mariahjournal.com/infozone/charts/singles/japan/index.shtml
Oooups ! The insect gets owned by Mariah’s fan base.
Now go back to your basement, get your sh**ty facts and
I’ll tell you when to come out.
Dismissed whore.
Stop bringing Celine up every time you try to reply.
Reply with answers on Mariah and Mariah facts. Don’t
reply with sarcasm cause that proves you are cornered
by my logic thought and therefore try to change subject.
The subject is Mariah’s single sales. And you have
FAILED big time, like usual…
Back to your basement trash.
@ Everyone
This debate goes too unless you bring facts.
Facts : certifications, announcements, special awards.
I don’t have much time this weak, so be specific and
reply to questions by giving ANSWERS, not questions back.
I will reply as soon as possible.
@ Mandy
Dear, ignore the haters here and tell me what you think.
@ Everyone
This debate goes too long unless you bring facts.
Facts : certifications, announcements, special awards.
I don’t have much time this weak, so be specific and
reply to questions by giving ANSWERS, not questions back.
I will reply as soon as possible.
@ Mandy
Dear, ignore the haters here and tell me what you think.
oh wow, I think I was wrong when I said this debate was like finally over! oh well it will never be over:/
ok Celine Dion has sold more records than Mariah, but I’m a huge lamb so please dobnt diss miss Mariah Carey!
hmmm the Asian sales I think Mariah Carey has sold 50 million albums there, and 2.4 million singles says her daily journal!
heres some proof
SINGLE [International Airplay] PEAK POSITION SALES
Vision Of Love #1 Not released
Love Takes Time ? Not released
Someday ? 25,000
I Don’t Wanna Cry ? Not released
Emotions #1(3 Weeks) 10,000
Can’t Let Go #2 Not released
Make It Happen #22 Not released
I’ll Be There #1(2 Weeks) Not released
Dreamlover #1 Not released
Hero #1 30,000
Without You #1 Not released
Anytime You Need A Friend ? 75,000
Endless Love #2 Not released
All I Want For Christmas (Is You) #1(4 Weeks) 2,000,000
Fantasy #1(4 Weeks) 100,000
One Sweet Day #4 10,000
Always Be My Baby #10 10,000
Honey #1(3 Weeks) 25,000
Butterfly #9 Not released
Sweetheart #34 Not released
I Still Believe #17 Not released
When You Believe #1(4 Weeks) 40,000
Heartbreaker #1(3 Weeks) 30,000
Thank God I Found You #19 Not released
Against All Odds #41 5,000
Loverboy #1(2 Weeks) 10,000
Never Too Far #5 Not released
Reflections #19 Not released
Don’t Stop #62 Not released
Through The Rain #2 25,000
Boy (I Need You) #81 Not released
You Make Me Wanna #77 Not released
It’s Like That #1(2 Weeks) 10,000
We Belong Together #34 Not released
Shake It Off #51 Not released
Don’t Forget About Us #57 Not released
Say Somethin’ #80 Not released
Touch My Body #5 Not released
Bye Bye #73 Not released
I’ll Be Lovin’ U Long Time #27 Not released
Obsessed #16 N/A
I Want To Know What Love Is #3 N/A
Angels Cry #89 N/A
TOTAL 12 No.1 Singles 2,400,000
europe= 27 million albums
japan=18 million
united kingdom= 7.5 million
US= 64 million
australia= 2.7 million
i can’t be bothered putting all of them up! haha:)
no! Mariah has sold 68 million albums worldwide!
Celine Dion has sold 174 million albums heres proof!
celinedioncharts.com/byalbum.htm
comment 176= 68 million albums in the US sorry!
comment 175= oh sorry that’s the Japan album and single sales!
Thank God there are people out there to see I speak the
truth when I say that Sony Bomg doesn’t release
commercial singles in Japan !
These sales are incorrect
I Still Believe,Endless Love,Someday ,etc…is platinum in USA,Vision Of Love is Gold….
@ XXXXX
These sales were about Japan. Her sales and
certifications in Usa are clear and you r right ;-)
Whooooooooooooooooooooo !……ztztztztztztz ! Mariah and celine??? Pfffffttt Who are these things? I hate both so much ! They never sing but screams.Mariah is nothing than a vocal acrobatic,she even can’t have a true life,poor Mariah.Mariah is no more a singer,but rather a sex-symbol and a slut.About Celine,she is a clown that have nothing to do than singing past songs and releasing loud nasal predictable belts…LMAO !
Lucky Luke is a fu**ing a-hole and a pig while Trish is an attention whore and an uneducated bitch.Tane is a stupid coward and Moff an ashamed slut !
Susan Boyles is the best selling female artist of all times.Then followed by Madonna, Mariah,Celine,Whitney.Susan is also a better vocalist than Mariah with a wider vocal range.She outsang Mariah everytime and effortless.I think Susan could sing Mariah’s Emotions easily.Boyles almost have 8 octaves of voca range.So,she’s better than Mariah.She deserve to be called “THE VOICE”.Mariah and Whitney could never reach Susan’s vocal runs,melismas,belts,etc…Neither Aretha.
So,this is so nil to still talk about Mariah and celine.Noone remember Mariah the cow and Celine the camel.Nowadays,everybody talk about the true legend Susan Boyles.The best singer ever !
Madonna = Bitch
Mariah = Bitch
Whitney = Drugged
Celine = Clown
Susan = Talented diva
Susan blow all these women away in everything ! Plus,she’s so classic and elegant.
Long life to Susan Boyles,the greatest female artist of all times !
The new bitch gets ignored.
Do you say this seriously?
You are a slut, nothing more.
Susan Boyle is a talented singer, but she has sold about 7 million albums, her “I dreamed a Dream” was a huge success!
But:
What about True Blue?
Daydream?
Lets Talk About love?
Do you think they have sold less than Susan’s albums??
Haha. Dream it!
youtube.com/watch?v=CqcAlFMzhBs
This video goes to all DEAF Jerks that question Mariah’s
vocal skills, stracture, musicianship, technique ,power
agility and insane range. Your fave could never..!
Lucky Luke….stststststststs !!! You are so stupid guy .I don’t believe your link at all since Mariah never proved nothing with her voice that could makes her a voice as sublime as Susan’s.Mariah’s songs are all average next to The Voice Susan Boyles,just admit it.Mariah can only dream to sing Susan’s I Dreamed A Dream.Mariah is replaced since Susan started her musical career.This is the proof that Susan is way better than Mariah and all other female artists.
And Susan sold probably most albums than the three trashes since she proved it by her recent albums while none among Mariah,Celine or Madonna doesn’t have an album selling 10 million,only delusional estimations on their old albums.Susan’s Boyles I Dreamed A Dream surpass 18 million copies sold worldwide.Do you think Mariah or Celine or Madonna could do even the half of this record ? No,no.Susan is just incomparable. Who cares about Mariah and Celine? Who cares about Madonna? Evryone already forget these women since so long ago,they are so old and so mercyfull …LMAO ! their respective career lies in peace.Only Susan Boyles stay on ! Every girl dream to become the next Susan.Who say Susan is fat and ugly? I think that Susan is most beautiful than Mariah carey and Britney Spears.She’s just a little bit older. Madonna,Celine ? Wooooh !!! ! I never see some artists as ugly as Celine and Madonna.Susan kills them on beauty.The bitches named Lady gaga,Rihanna,Beyonce,etc… are everything,except artists.I am crazy about Susan.My mother also love her cause I look just like her.She’s a true legend ! Viva forever Susan Boyles ! No one will never equals you !
@GRATIN
Celine’s top 3 albums sold 82 million total.
Mariah’s top 3 albums sold 74 million total.
Madonna’s top 3 albums sold 78 million total.
Susan’s top 2 (since she only has 2 albums out) albums sold 9.6 million total.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but Celine, Mariah, and Madonna’s top 3 albums have sold way more than Susan’s. I’m not hating, because she has a nice voice, but you can’t compare her record sales to them. It’s just not fair. Way more popularity, more records sold, richer than her, and more awards awarded.
UGLY??? Are you serious?
Celine:
youtube.com/watch?v=clhqzWw5fS4
Mariah:
youtube.com/watch?v=rP0ESL-GYIk&feature=related
Madonna:
youtube.com/watch?v=RIZSPwKY75w&feature=related
Susan:
youtube.com/watch?v=bz6BA1heMSI
Who cares about Madonna or Celine? The 2 had 2 of the highest grossing tours of all time!
@ GRATIN
Hey ! You are officially our new attention whore. :)
The more delusional a comment is, the more attention it
gets. So congratulations. Everyone standing O to the
new pathetic piece of sh** added here !!!
I am a pig now, right ? Ooupsie..! xD
Now to the facts :
Susan Boyle has a nice voice and good technique. There
it ends. She is nothing more than a product. She has 0
musicianship and almost 0 originality. She has 0 hits.
She never toured the world. She mainly does COVERS
in the STUDIO to save her life. Sorry she is totally
irrelevant.
Mariah sold 11m with TEOM and Madonna 12m with COADF
both released after 2004 - when piracy affected sales.
So your argument FAILS.
Susan’s debut sold almost 10m, so you get a DOUBLE FAIL
(Gongratulations again).
1) Vocally everything Susan can do, Mariah can do it
better. Let me know when Susan is able to ”click” from
chest voice to pure head voice, or chest voice to
whistle and then deep wispers. The Imperial
Songbird of melisma, vocal runs, vocal rifs. One of the
most flexible voices ever. (GODRIAH)
The link I sent you mainly shows LIVE perfomances. THIRD
FAIL. Here is the WHOLE LIVE video :
youtube.com/watch?v=oEPuOI9CmZA
3.54 - 4.02.
Tell me when Subo or any other is able to do that.
*laughing*
2) Let me know how Susan will sing after 30 years of
career. I want to see if her vocal cords will show
stamina, longevity, if she will be able to belt live
notes and sustain them for 18 seconds.
(Celine, The Queen)
youtube.com/watch?v=epXXFhzuqbc 2.45-3.03
AND
youtube.com/watch?v=15xKfLSSQF4 4.50-5.16
*still laughing*
LMAO you retard no artist credits Susan Boyle as an
influence. Another FAIL.
LMAO Even if we talk about beauty…well…wasn’t she
a virgin at age 47 ? Means NOBODY wanted to fu** her.
Ooups, I am being a pig again :/
Didn’t people laugh at her looks when they first saw
her ? #FAIL
Subo is in the elite of Miley Cirus, Gaga, Adele, Rihanna
,Katy Perry and Taylor Swift in terms of sales.
Don’t mess with THE LEGENDS cause you’re making a fool
of yourself. Now do me a favour and run on a freeway.
Thanx, bitch.
LOL , Meant * Congratulations xD
Anyway, this stupid debate is over. Stans that want
their fave to better in everything are idiots.
The Emancipation Of mimi Had sold way more than Confession on A Dance Floor.TEOM sold over 12 million and it was the best selling album of 2005 and 2006.Be careful on what you claim,the Reason
@ Mandy
Hey ! I am still waiting for your answer on singles. You
know you work in mysterious ways. You correct me for
puting 1m more to a Madonna album and you have nothing
to say to people who claim the Susan Boyle outsells and
outsings Mariah. LMAO
And LOL TEOM was the best seller of 2005. Not 2006. It
sold nothing on 2006 to make it one the 06’s best
sellers.
Second, even if TEOM sold more than COADF it definitely
did not sell ”way more”. Be careful on what you claim,
Mandy.
I already caught 2 mistakes on 3 little sentences. :)
Mariah careys sold 160 to 165 million albums
She’s sold 55 to 60 million singles
So Mariahs sold over 220 million records worldwide!
Celine dione sold 174 million albums
She’s sold over 50 million singles
So celines sold over 125 million records
So really record sales are not far apart at all! Only 5 to 7 million records apart!
Madonnas sold 300 million records no doubt!
Love you heaps Mimi! x
anyway just saying hi to Moff and lukyluke:) how are yas?
@gratin arê you butterfly and trish?
Sorry mistake celines sold over 225 million records!:)
Who says I’m wrong? I think and know I’m rigt:)
I’m here, Tane :)
You’re right in the case of their record sales, although I think Celine has sold a bit more albums, anyway:
1. Madonna
2. Mariah
3. Celine
:)
Hey Tane ! I’m fine xD I have exams this period and I
am tired :/ Anyway, how r you ?
Did you see Celine’s perfomance at Emmy Awards ? she was
stunning. <3
Yes! Her performance was amazing:) she looked so beautiful
Goodluck on exams:) get some rest! Lol
hey Moff yeah I’m sure she’s sold more albums that site was probably a bit biased:/ never trust sites haha:)
Mariah<3
Celine<3
Tane,why do you asked Gratin if he/she is Butterfly and Trish ? Did you already see that I insulted Mariah? Did I insult you formely Tane ? Even when you supported Lucky Luke ? Did you ?
I don’t know why everyone hate me here,but listen to me Tane,if you want to get Lucky Luke and Moff’s sympathy, good for you,but don’t try to imply me when anyone said something bad in the blog.It seems that you consider me as the devil,your little team and you.But I don’t care of you.You have the right to give your opinion and believe in what you want,but don’t blame me because I don’t swallow your things.I decided by myself to leave this debate for many reasons.Not because I am afraid by you and your lies that are spread here,but because I don’t want to fight with Lucky Luky anymore.He will never agree with me in the same way I will never agree with him.Anyway,All of you can think and say anything you want about me,I don’t care.You can say Madonna,Celine,or even Susan Boyles (Like did Gratin)sold more than Mariah etc…I will don’t reply.This is not me nor you neither links that could remove or add nothing of the real accomplishments and achievements of these artists.I’m done with this debate.Now you are free to say anything you want about these legends.But don’t provoke me please.Otherwise, I will back to confront you…
Trish?
Do you want to play the daunted and lonely girl?
In my opinion this is the first post from you, where you have written in a smart and nice style :)
Its good that you don’t want to fight against Lucky Luke etc anymore, because we have proofs which you don’t have.
PS: Madonna is about to work on a new studio album, we will see if she will sell more than any of Mariah’s last releases.
About Celine: Mariah has to sell further 15 to 20 million albums, if she want to compete with Celine in case of album sales.
Goodbye, guys :D
@ MOFF
Oh Moff ! This was her best post ever. It was full of
logic. I think you ruined it. :P
I hope your comment doesn’t ingite any new fights
cause I am so bored of this crapy debate. Celine and
Mariah will released new stuff as well in 2011/2012 and
we see what happens. Till then avoid fights. LOL xD
how a failure as you can say such a thing? how dare you say that I play a daunted and lonely girl?
I don’t care your opinion Moff.I think that you don’t have any post at all in this debate,even right now.That’s why I precise that I wanted to stop fighting with Lucky Luke,not you.Lucky Luke was the only debater here that argue for Celine.You just repeat what Lucky Luke already said Moff,nothing more.At least,Lucky Luke brought many arguments and links by his own researches,even if all of them are lies and biased.But you,I never consider you as a debater Moff.Can you precise me when you integrated the Celine Vs Mariah debate? What did you bring as arguments? That Mariah won the Chopard in 2003 for 150 million albums sold,then Celine won it in 2004 for 175 million albums? This is what you call “proofs”?Don’t dream dear.You are just able to repeat and Just applause to what Lucky Luke already state.That doesn’t make you a debater Moff.As a Madonna fan,You even don’t brought any argument in favor of her in the Madonna Vs Mariah debate.This is Lucky Luke that brought all the arguments (although they are lies and craps) that he could find.You are not a debater.You just said Guinness and IFPI cite Madonna is the best selling female artist of all times,then Madonna refused The Chopard Diamond Award by World Music Awards.These are not arguments.pfffftt !!!
Don’t say anymore ” We have proofs which you don’t have”.Lucky Luke could say that,not you Moff.
Moff,how can you say
“About Celine: Mariah has to sell further 15 to 20 million albums, if she want to compete with Celine in case of album sales.”
Since when you brought arguments to defend Celine? Do you think that your delusional phrase “About Celine: Mariah has to sell further 15 to 20 million albums, if she want to compete with Celine in case of album sales.”could mean that Celine really sold more albums than Mariah? You are a coward Moff,I have pity on you.Anyone that read my last posts could see how many times I asked you details on Celine - Mariah singles,but you never be able to answer me.I think that you can answer to me right now after that Lucky Luke post his delusional arguments about Mariah and celine’s singles.You are so much pathetic !
Right now,let me tell you something Moff.I stop my feud with Lucky Luke,but about you if you want to start a discussion with me about Celine and Mariah’s sales,I am ready for that.So,don’t say to me anymore that Celine sold more albums than Mariah,I was clear enough on this.If you want to continue debating with me,don’t hesitate Moff.Just tell me that !
According to ESCTODAY (Eurovision Song Contest Today) which is refering to IFPI, here are the 20 (of 150) best selling artists of all time :
01.The Beatles 400,000,000 #02.Michael Jackson 350,000,000 #03.Elvis Presley 300,000,000 #04.Madonna 275,000,000 #05.Nana Mouskouri 250,000,000 #06.Cliff Richard 250,000,000 #07.The Rolling Stones 250,000,000 #08.Mariah Carey 230,000,000 #09.Elton John 220,000,000 #10.Celine Dion 220,000,000 #11.Pink Floyd 210,000,000 #12.Led Zeppelin 200,000,000 #13.Metallica 200,000,000 #14.Julio Iglesias 200,000,000 #15.Queen 180,000,000 #16AC/DC 180,000,000 #17Whitney Houston 180,000,000 #18.ABBA 160,000,000 #19.U2 150,000,000 #20.The Jacksons 150,000,000
This independant European source is reliable.So saying that Celine surpass Mariah with 15 -20 million record sold is unacceptable.Mariah still have more records sold than Celine.
Sorry,I wanted to write ” this independent Eurovision site “,excuse me.
And please,don’t compare Mariah to Madonna.Madonna is just a succesful plastic product,Mariah is a talented singer
@ Carla
Aren’t you the same Carla that had brought a random
internet link a few months ago showing a fan made list
in favour of Mariah ? And now what do you do ?
An independent Eurovision site talking about worldwide
sales and this seems normal to you. So this site knows
better than Mariah’s labels and her management team ?
Sorry but THIS IS NOT acceptable. Period.
Mariah herself mentions her sales per era. For instance
in 1998 she announced how ”Emotions” sold over 10m
records (Around 8m the Album + 2m its Singles) and here
we debate against stupid trolls that proudly announce
this album sold over 13m copies. Give me a break here.
You are cornered by logic thought.
@ TRISH
LMAO at you saying you want to stop the debate and still
calling me liar and biased. Very nice effort. If you
want to stop all that then move your ass out of here
and stop insulting me. Clear ?
Oh yeah ! It is PATHETIC blaming people for not showing
you Mariah’s single sales. You are the one who needs to
prove these stuff and you have been asked many times
and you fail.
So don’t blame my links. Put the blame on your inability
to prove your crap, articulate and make fu**ing sense.
C ya !
Emotions album has sold 13 million the very less worldwide ! Mariah herself claimed Emotions sold 10 million since long ago.Today this album is about 13 -15 million worldwide !
@ Lucky Luke
LMAO at you saying you need a this debate is over while still posting lies and crap links,then provoke me.
I didn’t make any effort very dear.Your efforts to feign objective towards Mariah just failed.Mariah sold much more albums and much more singles than Celine Dion worldwide.Your silly staments can’t change that.This is all the truth.
I call you liar and biased because this is what you are.If you are angry for that,too bad for you.
I don’t make any effort to stop fighting.I just decided it ,that’s all.If you want that I stop all that then move your ass out of here yourself.Then,I will out after you.
“Oh yeah ! It is PATHETIC blaming people for not showing
you Mariah’s single sales…”. I adressed this directly to Moff,not to you.Let Moff reply by himself when I talk to him.Same goes for all of you.If you are boyfriends,good for you,but here in this debate everyone must defend himself and bring arguments by his own.Ok ?
You never,ever prove nothing here Lucky,don’t be delusional.Your frequent chorus are so far to being proofs.You have ability just to lie and use tricks Lucky Luke,nothing more.You fail in everything you try to prove by lies.
All of you,wake up on your Daydream !
All that you gave as proves to show that Madonna and Celine sold more records than Mariah is your preference towards Madonna and Celine over Mariah,nothing else.
I’m so sorry trish and believe me I don’t hate you at all! It’s just because the grammar in each of those names were exactly the same and I thought it was you:/ I was wrong sorry
Anyway I can see Mariah making a comeback, it’s just natural she does. Second her babies would have influenced her for new songs, I pray and hope she does!
every site I’ve come across seem to be all biased considering all the links I’ve brang here are just completely lies to us all, ever site seems to be the same:/ it’s waste really with the links they just prove nothing about record sales:/
Just to be random who’s been watching wimbledon?:)
Hasnt the beetles and Elvis presly sold over 1 billion? maybe wrong I read that of wikipediia
@ TRISH
”LMAO at you saying you need a this debate is over while still posting lies and crap links,then provoke me.”
Are you dreaming bitch ? What links did I post the past
month ? What lies did I claim ? Are you able to dispute
these so called lies or your little brain can’t go any
further than saying ”lies, biased, crap” ? #Oops
How the hell do I provoke you since I don’t even mention
your name in my posts ? Nice try to put this on me, but
we all know you still remain the pressed c*** here.
”If you want that I stop all that then move your ass out of here yourself.Then,I will out after you. ”
LMAO bitch ! I said I am bored of this debate, but
that’s about it. You are the one saying you wanna
leave. xD You are the manipulative slut here that uses
her decision to leave in order to pass as the good, fair
and peaceful girl. #FAIL
”I call you liar and biased because this is what you
are”
Why don’t you bring the right Mariah facts since
I post lies ? Oh I forgot, because you know sh**.
Funny how you think Mariah’s albums sell over 3m after
their peak and after they get off charts. #DEAD Is this
what real facts claim ? Is this logic thought ? LOL
Funny how you manipulate Mariah’s own words. She said
”Emotions” sold 10m RECORDS in 1998 - refering to its
singles as well -. Same way she had stated in mid 2005
that TEOM had suprassed the 7m mark worldwide - she
even smiled and said ”and we’re still counting”.
Your stupidity rages on when you say :
”I adressed this directly to Moff, not to you.” Yeah
you retard, and my comment on Emotions was a reply to
Carla, not you. Still you came back to talk about
Emotions. So shut the fu** up. :)
”All that you gave as proves to show that Madonna and Celine sold more records than Mariah is your preference towards Madonna and Celine over Mariah,nothing else.”
And you only prove what a sick piece of sh** you are.
I know Mariah’s stuff 10 times better than you. I have
enough knowledge to support her with real facts. You
couldn’t even use real arguments to prove her vocal
superiority and all you said was ”cute voice, sweet
voice”. xa xa xa ! Bitch, sit down. How old are you ?
How retarded are you ? You could NEVER in your miserable
life do what I did in posts 186 and 189 at my replies
towards the real hater here, Gabmit. Use your brain
ONCE. I have already replied to almost all Mariah’s
haters here : Jessica, Gabmit, the boy from Philipines
and so on. Even my you tube account is in part in favour
of MC and I’m about to start a Facebook page on Mariah.
Dumbass ! You can’t even swallow I like Mariah.
And no ! Mariah is not the best selling female artist.
Swallow it and go on with your life. Mariah doesn’t need
this title to prove her value. Why do you fighting over
this ? Have you even considered words such as being
a real vocalist ? musician ? influencial ? creative ?
I am so bored of your stupidity. If you have to
dispute anything IN SPECIFIC please go ahead. You generic
comments are a FAIL. Be specific to save your dignity.
You said my Japanese facts on Mariah’s singles are lies.
I asked you to tell me the truth about it and
certifications and you DISAPPEARED only for the sake
of coming back 2 weeks later and call me a liar. Jesus !
Can you look more fool than this ? Yes, you can cause
on top of these, even tane brought extra facts to
prove my points. What do you have to support your
point of view ? Oh yeah ! Nothing ! Now come back in
2 days from now to repeat yourself, with 0 proves and
extra insults. You are a miserable Failure.
”If you are boyfriends,good for you” LOL
I just can’t at your lunacy bitch xD
OK Tane, I believe that you don’t hate me.You are a real music fan and you just try to be objective.I appreciate you because even though you base many of your arguments on links,you don’t just consider them as irrefutable facts.You are open enough to question some mistakes and lies that are spread in links.As you said,links doesn’t really prove nothing on sales,they are not reliable.You are honest Tane,I always know that !
Yeah Tane,It seems that Mariah will come back with a Pop album.That could be more successful than her Hip Hop albums… We hope that she will give to us good pop songs and powerful ballads,like she used to at the 1990’s.I am very impatient to discover Mariah in a new Pop album!
@ Lucky Luke.You come back with your insults against me? Congrats !
You said “What lies and links did I post and claim ? ” Dear Lucky,do you think music fans are idiot and stupid? You try to prove that Mariah doesn’t really surpass Celine even in singles sales by crap data. But who is stupid and idiot enough to swallow this? I repeat it again,all your arguments are lies !
How could you say Mariah outsold Celine by 5 - 10 million singles ? How it could be possible when we say that Mariah has many multi platinum singles in 2000 decade while Celine doesn’t have even one ? This is links and crap data that could prove the opposite? Do you think we are a team of idiots ? Do Celine was a big single seller at the 1990’s ??? Compare with MARIAH CAREY !!!!!!! How can you say Mariah outsold Celine’s singles by 5 - 10 million? How many platinum and multiplatinum singles Celine has for the 1990 decade compare with Mariah ? Did Celine equals Mariah on singles sales at the 1990’s ? She doesn’t even close to Mariah on singles sales worldwide at the 1990’s ! This is not links or biased data that could change this fact.Mariah always be a huge female single seller.For the 2000’s ? You got the nerve to equals Celine with Mariah on singles sales while you claims Celine ‘s albums outsold Mariah’s by 20 million the less.You really prove how much you are objective.This is really you that are able to dispute.
You are a liar Lucky Luke,but a very crafty liar.There is just people that is very smart that can discover your tricks to spread your lies.
“Why don’t you bring the right Mariah facts since
I post lies ? Oh I forgot, because you know sh**.” This is what you think? Do you think I know nothing on sales? That’s why you try to proved Celine almost equals Mariah on singles sales then surpass her albums by 20 million ? You make a huge mistake dear.Celine never surpass Mariah on Albums sales.About singles,Celine is light years behind Mariah on this.
Everyone,just read that please:
Lucky Luke wrote:
“Funny how you think Mariah’s albums sell over 3m after
their peak and after they get off charts.” Ok. Now say me when Unison,Celine Dion, The Coulour Of My Love,All The Way,D’eux,The French Album,etc… were charted again after their release? Everyone listen to me.There is Celine’s 1990’s albums worldwide sales till May 2000.
- Unison 2 million
- Celine Dion 4 million
-The Colour Of My Love 12 million
-D’eux The French Album 7 million
-These Are Special Times 8 million
-Falling Into you 27 million
-Let’s Talk About Love 27 million
-All The Way A Decade Of Songs 16 million
So, everyone see that every Celine’s 1990 decade sales were clear since the 2000 year
Ok,now Lucky Luke,say me when those albums were charted again to reach huge sales that are usually giving for their worldwide sales.
- Unison 4 million
- Celine Dion 6 million
- The Colour Of My Love 15 - 17 million
- Falling into you 32 million
- Let’s talk about Love 31 million
- These are Special Times 12 million
Are they re charted after their release ???
Why do you want Mariah’s 1990’s albums stay the same sales they were since their release at the 1990’s while you have any problem with Celine’s albums that still increase through the years although they not re-charted since their release as well as Mariah’s ? This is like this you prove your objectivity?
Trish,the reason made a fool out of you again and again.he asked you to be specific and answer with answers on Mariah but when he does that you only reply by mocking Celine that is pathetic.people can think,I don’t think you can. Every time someone corners you,you change subject and insult people.you said you would spit on Celine, get ashamed for that.you must be insane to feel the need to attack another human being.the reason and other people here attack you because they can’t stand your partiality and laughable posts,they never attack Mariah, because what they claim is right so they are not angry to attack Mariah.you are angry and mad because you can’t support Mariah and you do what nobody else does with insults that should not be said by a female to another female.and I read you are here for over a year and people say you insult Madonna since 2010 that makes you more sad.like these are not enough I see you personally attack all debaters here,you hate them.why would anyone care if debaters here are boyfriends or not!this is none of our business and people shouldn’t go to personal stuff.you insult people of not being men enough,but you should think that you are not woman enough.no woman that respects herself insults other women that never harmed her,no woman with dignity ever uses the trash vocabulary you do.if you want to leave,leave.you add nothing new,you repeat only yourself and deny what others say and nobody wants you here either
@ the reason you are by far the best debater here and you
know your stuff.you know about sales and music. But you should use less insults no matter how mad people here make you.i see that you like Mariah, but sure you love Celine more.but you supported Mariah perfectly before.just watch your vocabulary and don’t judge peoples education.
bye bye
Mariah never said Emotions sold 10 million “records”.She didn’t precise in fact.Mariah isn’t stupid enough to said that.The sales of Singles like Emotions,Can’t Let Go,Make It Happen,If It’s Over total approximately 7 million.So,how it could possible that the album + his singles reached just 10 million even at 1998 ? Your effort to diminish the Emotions records sales just fail.
Yes,I don’t want you to reply when I address a post directly to another debater.About what you addressed to Carla,this is different.Cause you talked about the Emotions album and singles,so this is not a close comment.Anyone could reply on a post that talk about an artist work or achievement.
You said that you know Mariah’s stuff 10 times better than me? Do you think so,just because you consult crap links to explain everything you talk about ? As trying to prove that Madonna have a wider vocal range than Whitney Houston according to a link?? That Celine is a better dancer than Mariah when everyone laugh at her comedic moves and pull faces on stage? Hahaha ! You make a mistake Lucky.I am so better than you ! since I know Mariah, Celine and Madonna’s stuff a billion times better than you.
You said ” you can’t even swallow I like Mariah.” I would do only if I was stupid and ill advised.Do you think you like Mariah just because you reprimand some improvised debaters that have insult her ? This is so easy.After so many fights with me,you hardly admit that Mariah has over Celine: influence,writing,producing,composing skills,Hit maker than Celine. But,who doesn’t beat Celine on these points ??? Madonna,Beyonce,Britney,Whitney,Aretha,Taylor Swift,Christina Aguilera,etc… also beat Celine in those points.Mariah Carey beats all these women on these achievements.
About voice,you admit Mariah has a better voice than Madonna.Wow ! really funny…LMAO !
About voice you said that I Claimed Cute voice,sweet voice etc…Yes,everyone agree with me on this,unlike you that prove nothing on Celine’s voice with your Bb2, A3,etc then her songs prove nothing than some rooster crow.
I repeat you that you proved nothing at all on the entire debate.You never brought any proof,just bring proofs and facts honey.Then we will accept your claims.
You are a laughable troll and nothing more.
1)Mariah mentioned 10m records for Emotions in 1998.
#FAIL
2)”you hardly admit that Mariah has over Celine: influence,writing,producing,composing skills,Hit maker than Celine.”
I have been explaining this since POST 15 here when I
mentioned CLEARLY all these with the word MUSICIANSHIP.
Move your retarded ass and read post 15. NOW BITCH ! GO !
Did I ever put this word next to Celine ? No. Move on !
#SECOND FAIL
3) ”The sales of Singles like Emotions,Can’t Let Go,Make It Happen,If It’s Over total approximately 7 million”
The debate is OVER after this phrase.
Emotions : Gold Us (500k+) and N.Zeland (5k)
Can’t Let Go : Gold Us (500k+)
Make It Happen : (300k+ In Us, not certified)
If It’s Over : - Minimal release in some European
markets. Charted only in Dutch singles chart #80.
Therefore 2 Us Gold certifications of 4 singles lead
to a total of 7.000.000 copies like you posted. That
would mean the Album Emotions sold 65m copies since it
is certified 4xPLATINUM in Us which is 8 times MORE than
the certifications of its singles.
Shall I say that you Fail ? Yeah you FAIL ! :)
4)”As trying to prove that Madonna have a wider vocal range than Whitney Houston according to a link?? That Celine is a better dancer than Mariah when everyone laugh at her comedic moves and pull faces on stage.”
It is a fact Madonna can’t sing. Vocal range doesn’t
mean ABILITY, UNLESS the artist knows how to use it, like
Mariah does. It is unbelievable that you insist attacking
my reliability, because you don’t have music knowledge
and you correlate big range to good singers. No matter
how many thin/loud notes Madonna can access she is not
good at all. Clear ? She can scream. Period. Wake up and
open a music theory book cause I am bored of your
stupidity ! I will put it simple. Vocal range shows
POTENTIAL. Proper technique and placement and breath
control show SKILLS.
Mariah = POTENTIAL + SKILLS = PERFECT
Madonna has SOME range because she can scream.
youtube.com/watch?v=GAH5Gi-Awo0
Listen to this video and tell me if you think she is
singing, cause I say SHE DOESN’T, no matter the thin
annoying notes. Open you ears, open your mind and stop
thinking I am a liar.
+ Celine is a MUCH better performer than MC. People
actually laugh at this and hardly ever pay tickets to
attend : : youtube.com/watch?v=xc8NT617yHc
Mariah will never gross more than $100m from a tour.
#FAIL
”There is Celine’s 1990?s albums worldwide sales till May 2000.”
Where did you find this list ? Oh yeah, YOUR estimations.
#FAIL
Finally I LAUGH cause you try miserably to corner me
using the single sales of Mariah and Celine. Ok retard,
we will first discuss Mariah’s singles and THEN Celine’s
cause talking about both of them the same time will make
a total mess. I have been waiting and waiting for you to
bring certifications of her first 5 singles. I am
challenging you like I did 2 weeks ago !!!
We finish Mariah’s sales and move on to Celine’s. :)
——>
LOL @ you saying I didn’t bring any facts. Whole industry
, labels, media, magazines prove all my statements. Lmao
You are still contradicting and manipulate facts, even
Mariah’s own words and things she stated to create her
own biographies. LMAO She would spit at your face.
And I don’t need links to explain myself. Links are just
a bonus of what I am saying. I just like to be totally
clear with what I post and show that I don’t create
things. Moreover NO links or sources or awards or
announcements ever contradicted with my links so that’s
another fail dear. + Many of my links where from
magazines because YOU said you trust magazines. And now
you call me a liar for following your own references ?
Dear, you FAIL ! LMAO @ at your little mind. You act
like there’s another magazine or source to claim the
opposite. Xa xa xa ! And no, you are not better. You are
just an idiot. A big idiot to be honest.
#Ooooops. I am much superior. Go back to your trailer
park. Thanx
And please don’t talk again about vocal issues. You
can’t even say which notes make Celine’s range 2.7
octaves. -.-‘ I don’t know anything about fashion so
I don’t mention fashion and famous designers.
I don’t know why I bother replying to all this. I am the
only guy in this world that spends time on you. Lmao.
Show some dignity and leave. You music and sales
”knowledge” is a fu**ing mess, proved by your dumb
estimations on the Emotion album. I don’t prove that you
fail. Simple maths prove your failure.
+
You know Mariah better than me ?
”I am very impatient to discover Mariah in a new Pop album!”
LMAO Then listen to her latest Xmas album, you imbecill.
It is all popish with the exception of Motown (When
Christmas Comes) and a classically influenced pop song
(Adeste Fideles) and an rnb cut (Here comes Santa
Claus).
+ Her debut and especially Emotions are NOT pop albums
at all. The debuts contains some adult contemporary
music mixed with some rnb or pop or soft rock
instrumentations. As of Emotions it features rnb,
gospel, pop , soul and jazz.
#Oooooops ! You can’t even talk about her music genres
dumb cow. Music Box is her only pure pop album and
Daydream comes next (Talking about 90s) as it is 40%
pop and 60% soft rnb. I am still laughing at you
considering Without You and All I Want For Christmas Is
You ROCK songs. #DEAD at your lunacy & ignorance.
#Dismissed by all means..!
<3
Mariah said Emotions album sold 10 million since 1998.Today,Emotions album sold at 14 million worldwide.End Of Story xxx…zzzz….zzzzz
About the vocal range question,you just fail.Children can whistle like Mariah usually do,without even be conscientious of this.Nevertheless,children has any vocal technique nor ability skills.A child doesn’t have POTENTIAL. Proper technique and placement and breath
control etc…to show his skills.show SKILLS
Vocal range has nothing to do with musical knowledge and vocal technique - Since her childhood,Mariah had hit very high notes and whistle notes,according to her Mom.Your crap theory FAIL
About Celine’s Singles.She doesn’t sold singles at all compare with Mariah Carey,she just able to clown around in front of people on stage.Nobody buy her crap singles - FAIL
Celine is a very great and successful clown on stage,that’s why she has so many successes with her concerts.But,she is a zero performer beside Mariah,Mariah is the top female performer ever.Celine can only dream to perform a song live the way Mariah could do.She amaze anyone with her loud nasal rooster crows anymore.Everyone is boring by this,this is so easy,so predictable.- FAIL
Celine will never sell more than 10 units from a Single.Pfffft…..Ztztztztztz ! -FAIL
You are not more than a pig. Dear a-hole,I am so better than you and your crap theories. Take it honey.
Mariah’s 1990’s albums are Pop albums,except for Butterfly and Rainbow.
Mariah Carey is a pure pop album - FAIL
Emotions is a Pop album that is influenced by the R&B and jazz. Emotions,You’re So Cold,To Be Around You,Make It Happen are pop songs.Moreover,the other songs are ballads Pop/R&B.- FAIL
Yes All I Want For Christmas Is You is a Pop/Rock song.Besides,The Rollings Stones magazine rank it as one of the best Rock Christmas Song of all times -FAIL
I laughed most at you when you claim Celine’s songs as Rock songs just because they have an electric guitar in the background music.Some songs like Where Does My Heart Beat Now,Think Twice,You Even cited Mariah’s Open Arms as a Rock song,that show you know nothing on musical genre,but just states a music is a Rock song when it has a few electric guitar at its musical background.- FAIL- Unison 4 million
About Celine’s albums
- Celine Dion 6 million
- The Colour Of My Love 15 – 17 million
- Falling into you 32 million
- Let’s talk about Love 31 million
- These are Special Times 12 million
- All The Way,A Decade Of Songs - 16 million
All these datas were giving by Sony Music 2000, dear a-hole.I dare you to explain me when these albums were recharted to give the huge amounts that you still posts in your lies and that your crap links support.
Are they re charted after their release ??? Vermin,you want to border Mariah’s sales at their 1990’s sales.I discover you,then everyone just see how much you are a crafty liar. LIAR ! PIG !
If I could only slap you,and spit on your face !!!
Do you think I don’t know that Mariah’s Merry Christmas 2 you is a pop album? You are really retarded.Could I listen to a Christmas album outside the Christmas period? I talked about a simple album.Besides,I adressed it to tane,not to you. Just show me when Unison,Celine Dion,The Colour Of My Love,etc… were recharted to give the crap sales you post for them if you can.Scum ! Pig ! have a life like other normal guys.Don’t you get shame?
Dear Mariah hater,your tricks are discovering and showing to everyone right now.You Insist Emotions still sold at 8 - million today.So Celine Dion album couldn’t surpass 3 million sales nowadays,since its 1998 sales were at 2 million worldwide.Inform yourself a-hole,slut,half-boy.Stop posting every craps giving by links.Be a normal guy,stop fantasize on Celine’s Huge nose,long chin and thin lips.She’s just an ugly artist,there is no reason to venerate her like you do.You are a shame for every boys in your country….Lol !
Don’t adress me anything in this blog anymore,ok? I don’t have to repeat it to you, male bitch !
”Mariah said Emotions album sold 10 million since 1998.Today,Emotions album sold at 14 million worldwide.End Of Story xxx…zzzz….zzzzz”
10m Since ? Since ? SINCE ? Do you know English at all ?
Do you know the meaning of the word SINCE ? Sit down.
It was in 1998 when she said it sold 10m records BY 1998.
Same data her Label released in 1999. #FAIL
”About the vocal range question,you just fail.Children can whistle like Mariah usually do,without even be conscientious of this.Nevertheless,children has any vocal technique nor ability skills.A child doesn’t have POTENTIAL. Proper technique and placement and breath
control etc…to show his skills.show SKILLS
Vocal range has nothing to do with musical knowledge and vocal technique – Since her childhood,Mariah had hit very high notes and whistle notes,according to her Mom.”
This is what I am saying you dork ! These are my words.
Mariah is great cause she has BOTH potential and
skills. Little children just have a range because they
go really high screaming ! Is this skills ? NO ! YOU said
it ! This is the deal with Madonna ! This is what I am
explaining for weeks. She is a sh***y singer no matter
her ”range” or thin little loud notes. So trying to
say I fail is a FAIL. See what I mean : having
ingredients to make a cake (Having Potential) doesn’t
mean you can make a cake unless you know the recipe
(Skills) and know all proportions (Technique). Mariah
had nodules and she was properly trained and that’s why
she is who she is. Even a 12 year old could get my
explanations NEXT ->
1) Mariah a better performer ? LMAO Mariah can’t hold a
candle next to Celine in performing. She can’t be
theatrical or use movements based to the songs meaning
and lyrics. She is a great technical singer, not
a performer. Her voice blends with music, NOT her
body. She actually SMILED when she sang ”If it’s over”
in 1991 Grammy. What kind of great performer smiles
during a tragic sad song ? Mariah is like a robot on
stage. This is why she can’t sellout 3.000 seats arenas
for her pre-recorded boring shows. She is like so
awkward. Mariah could never feel confident enough and
set the stage on fire like that :
youtube.com/watch?v=KEQaF64w_uw
Can you dispute what I am saying by showing me ONE video
out of Mariah’s 20 YEARS Career where she does something
expressive that shows her performing skills ? Or her
dance skills ? I bet you can’t.
2) People still buy Celine’s albums so people not caring
about her records, just because they don’t download her
stuff is so dumb. Only you could make such a failed
correlation. #FAIL
Celine has been Sony’s money machine since early 1996
till 2011 and she has the biggest contract with the
biggest label of this planet. Celine has the biggest
label for a live entertainment deal. Her show affected
the economy level of a whole city and offered employment
to over 100 families there. She has been mentioned the
Global Diva several magazines. Her show got rave reviews
(I know you wonder what’s that since music critics have
been panning Mariah’s tours since the opening night of
her Music Box tour). She already grossed more than $20m
dollars and already 100.000 people attended her concerts.
When was the last time Mariah ever did that ? Oh yeah.
Never. As Celine being a clown, this only proves your
ignorance and stupidity. Celine’s new show is not
theatrical at all. The set list consists only from
ballads and soft songs and the show features and
orchestra and many covers so there is no space left
for anything comedic. People walk out being emotional
or crying after performances of ”Ne me quitte pas”,
”All By Myself”, ”At Seventeen” , ”My Heart Will
Go On”… Funny songs ? No. Comedic moves ? No. People
still buying tickets ? Yes. TRISH Failed ? Yes.
3) Moreover you insist Celine is just a clown. Let’s
suppose you are 100% right. That would mean that
Celine’s clown moves are much more interesting
and APPEALING than Mariah’s so called :
- Excellent Live Singing
- Great Performing Skills
- Perfect Dancing Skills
- Best Moving Songs
So Celine beats all these Mariah’s assets with her
clown moves ? LMAO That would mean Mariah really sucks
for being unable to have people attend her concerts
(therefore be INFERIOR to touring) just for the sake of
Celine’s comedian skills. Logic thought just made you
fail.
4) As of singles…Why don’t you dare showing me Mariah’s
first 5 singles and their sales/certifications ?
Oh yeah, cause you probably learned you limits.
You got cornered and embarrassed after your parody of the
singles of ”Emotions” that reached 7m because of 2
Gold Us certifications they received. LMAO Based on this
the album sold over 65m copies worldwide. #FAIL
5) You are nothing more than a pressed retarded attention
whore that comes back not to support Mariah - you can’t
do that because your knowledge is limited - but just
for the sake of keeping fighting against me. No matter
how much you try to make me mad, I will always have time
and guts to reply to everything you post - every little
word you post. You don’t know where you got yourself
into. Dear slut, suck it.
You try to claim Mariah is a R&B artist while you try to improve Celine at a Pop Rock artist.Mariah has some Rock songs,but Celine doesn’t have any Rock songs.Just The electric guitar below her ballad songs doesn’t make her an Rock singer - FAIL
Mariah is not just a Hip Hop artist,but also a pop artist. She is a billion times better than Celine in Pop/ballad songs,dance,Soul,etc… According to Hit Parade Charts,her singles,sales and the popularity of her songs worldwide.Celine is just successful as clown and by recycling past songs and hits from ather artists.Don’t be delusional.
Bye dear pig
Emotions has sold 10 million back to 1998.Don’t try to take advantage of my slip pen, a-hole !
Yes,Children has great range,Madonna doesn’t have great range,otherwise,she would be able to sing high note and Whistle effortless.Don’t try to mix vocal range with singing skills !
No,no idiot.Mariah doesn’t show her singing skills when she hit very loud and powerfull belts and notes,or her whistle notes,but her vocal capabilities. There are songs as So Blessed,Vanishing,Hero,etc… that show her unique singing skills and capability,since these songs doesn’t have special notes.
”Dear Mariah hater,your tricks are discovering and showing to everyone right now.You Insist Emotions still sold at 8 – million today”
Bitch, sit down. Her label and sites show sales of 8m
for Emotions. I say 9m. End of story.
”All these datas were giving by Sony Music 2000,dear a-hole”
You retard, your post yesterday showed less sales for
these. Xa xa xa ! It showed 27m for Let’s Talk About Love
and now it shows 32m. Manipulative trash you FAIL.
———————
Emotions :
Emotions : Pop
And You Don’t Remember : Soul
Can’t Let Go : Pop
Make It Happen : Rnb, Gospel
If It’s Over : Rnb, Soul
You’re So Cold : Pop
So Blessed : AC
To Be Arund You : Pop,Rnb
Till The End Of Time : Pop
The Wind : Jazz
This is album is more of a mixed bag than a pure pop
album.
Music Box :
Dreamolver : Pop, Rnb
Hero : Pop, AC
Anytime You Need A Friend : Pop, Gospel
Music Box : Pop
Now That I Know : Pop
Never Forget You : Rnb
Without You : Pop
Just To Hold You Once Again : Pop
I’ve Been thinking about you : Pop
All I’ve ever wanted : Pop
This is a pure pop album by all means.
Daydream POP ? LMAO
Fantasy : Pop, Rnb
Underneath The Stars : Rnb
One Sweet Day : Rnb
Open Arms : Rock, Pop
Always Be My Baby : Rnb
I Am Free : Pop, Soul
When I Saw You : Pop
Long Ago : Rnb
Melt Away : Rnb
Forever : Pop, 50s influenced
Daydream : Rnb
Looking In : Pop
So how come this is a pop album ? Jesus !
And no, All I want for Christmas is you is NOT rock song.
Can you mention its rock influences ? No !
And if you laugh at me for saying a song is rock
influenced because it features ELECTRIC GUITAR then
go to a doctor immediately. Dumbass.
You want to slap me and spit on my face ? Lmao you
lunatic ! Why ?
Because I have you cornered and pressed ? Because you
can’t think ?
Suck it and get lost. :)))
227 and 228. Madonna doesn’t sing high notes. This is
what I am saying -.-‘ She reaches them but doesn’t
SING them. Move on. And yes Mariah’s quality is shown
all through her range. Who said the opposite ? You are
boring.
Finally check my commments 295-308 at the previous
page of this debate. I have been answering to all your
silly questions about Celine’s album sales and explained
her labels announcements after you had mentioned her
Dvd. Funny how trust everything said about Celine by
her label but when it comes to Mariah’s sales her labels
make mistakes of 100m records. You are pathetic and dumb.
You are such an idiot ! I NEVER mixed singing skills to
vocal range ! I am saying that these two are different
things. You used to say that vocal range shows good
singers. And no children CAN’T SING ! They have range
cause they go high, but CAN’T SING ! Same with Madonna !
Omh ! can’t you understand simple English ? :(((
And Vanishing is a very demanding songs by the way. In
its live perfomances Mariah would click from chest belt
to whistle register which is TWO octaves higher.
I just can’t at your stupidity. You don’t know what you r
talking about. Get lost. I ve had enough of you for a day.
Emotions albums sold 14 million worldwide !
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I repeat it,all Mariah’s 1990’s albums are Pop albums.Except for Butterfly and rainbow !
Show me when Unison pass to 2 million to 4 million as its not recharted since its release.Show me when Falling Into You 27 million sales by 2000 become 32 million to 20011.since it was not recharted.Why Emotions 8 million at 1998 would increase by just 1 million to 2011 to giving 9 million worldwide in 2011 while Celine Dion album that was at 2 million in 1998 would increase by 4 million new sales to giving 6 million? Same goes for all their albums ! I dare you to explain this,crafty LIAR ! You hate me because I am smart enough to discover your tricks to spread your lies !
Yes,I would do anything,just to meet you for slapping you and spitting on your devil face because of so many tricks you use in these debates just to make ill advised ones swallow your lies ! YOU ARE A LIAR ! I disgurting you !
So,you are a bigger experts than the Musical experts that state Fantasy a Pop/Rock song and AIWFCIY a Rock Christmas song? You surely find it in a link ! Mariah is a Pop / Hip Hop artist. No question about it !
Celine is far to be a Rock artist,sorry.She’s just a Pop/ballad performer and a AC performer very dear,nothing else.
YOU SAID EMOTIONS 8 MILLION IN 1998 = 9 MILLION IN 2011
BECAUSE ITS NOT RECHARTED
SO. UNISON 1,5 MILLION IN 1998 = 2,5 MILLION IN 2011
CELINE DION 2 MILLION IN 1998 = 3 MILLION IN 2011
I COULD GO ON…
SO SIMPLE.
CRAFTY LIAR. YOU JUST WANTED TO TAKE DOWN MARIAH’S ALBUMS,WHILE INCREASE CELINE’S. YOU FAIL HATER !
I’M BACK!! Go-ahead. Welcome me! Applaud, cheer, insult me. Whatever makes you comfortable. Looks like I have lots of replying to do here! But I won’t be replying all at once! So tired…
@ You went back to “TRISH” I see
Post 154: l will never tired to post comments like other debaters do.I will not the first to leave this debate anymore !”
Post 170: Your last post for a while
Post 198: came back
Also said “I’m done with this debate.Now you are free to say anything you want about these legends.But don’t provoke me please.Otherwise, I will back to confront you…”
Post 202: “If you want to continue debating with me,don’t hesitate Moff.Just tell me that !”
Post 207: You start debating again, mostly with your friend The Reason
If you didn’t know where I was getting at, you’re really confusing.
I repeat you that you proved nothing at all on the entire debate. - Post 217
You make me laugh so much. You’re the one accusing someone else of not posting their sources, when you haven’t given one single proof that your estimations are correct.
You try to sound smart by avoiding giving us proof by asking all of them questions that you can’t answer yourself.
I’m too tired… Be back tomorrow! Maybe…
“She actually SMILED when she sang ”If it’s over”
in 1991 Grammy. What kind of great performer smiles
during a tragic sad song ? Mariah is like a robot on
stage”
At least Mariah smiled and she was so beautiful.Celine would pull one face and amuse people,with ugly and comedic facial expressions,like she always does in all of her songs.This is so ugly to see !
Mariah is the most beautiful great-voice artist, skillful vocalist that ever live on earth .The rares beautiful ladies that sing have no voice,the ones that have great voice have no beauty.That’s why there will never be another Mariah Carey !
Celine =Ugly clown
Mariah=Beautiful & gorgeous diva
Mariah is the only one that have combined a great beauty with amazing /huge vocal talent
Celine is too ugly to be my model
@ Post 232 - 236
1)Emotions sold 9m. Her label says 8m. Mariah said 10m records by 1998. Her site ”Mariah Journal” says 8m as well.
2)None of Mariah’s albums were pop as they included many rnb influences among other genres. (gospel, soul. jazz)
3)Everything else you question on Celine’s albums are clear in posts of the previous page of this debate.(295-308). First of all, you never brought any official announcement here. This is your first huge lie. YOU only posted your biased estimations on Celine’s albums and had the nerve to call it an official Sony Bmg Announcement. YOU claim her Unison album sold 2m by 1998. This list showing Unison standing at 2m doesn’t exist. Moreover I have already proved how Celine’s albums from 1994 were certified in 2000 or 2001 or 2002 or 2003. There are established certification dates and they have all been posted. Most of her 90s stuff got their final certifications in early 00’s. They were counted then. I never claimed Celine’s 90s albums sold millions during the 00s cause I am not crazy like you. YOU are the one to claim Mariah’s Emotions sold over 4m in the 00s decade, so maybe you should be the one to give answers here. You don’t expose any lies as I never lie. Everything I claim in confirmed by the industry, labels, biographies, sites. How do you dare asking me questions when you claim 200m albums for Mariah and then post 160m album sales per country ? I advice you to FIRST explain yourself and THEN make questions to people.
4)Mariah is an Rnb/Hip Hop and the pop artist. Even her vocal techniques and style and her personal preference prove so. She was highly influenced by rnb, not pop singers. She felt free in 1997 when she did what she wanted. An album with few pop tracks. I am not saying she is not good at pop but point is she doesn’t credit
herself as a pop artist and nobody else does.
5) None of Mariah’s songs you mentioned are rock songs. How come Fantasy is a rock song ? Why don’t you prove me what influences make it a rock song ? I already asked you and you don’t reply. This doesn’t strike me as I already know you know nothing on music.
6) I never credited Celine as a rock artist. I said SOME of her stuff are rock INFLUENCED. She doesn’t even have a pure rock song. Do you think I am dumb and biased to credit Celine for things she never did ? You really need to LEARN TO READ, cause yesterday you indirectly attacked me for crediting Celine for having musicianship.
7)Everything you wrote on post 236 in capitals (LMAO crazy retard) are all your fake numbers. Don’t you get shamed to say that Sony Bmg said Unison sold 1.5m in 1998 ? YOU posted a while ago it sold 2m by then.
Then droped by 0.5m ! Something is wrong with you. Not only you post lies but you also forget your actions. Old people have these symptoms. Poor girl.
8)No lies were exposed. I don’t contradict with sources and certification dates. Sorry. You have to try again.
9)You want to slap me ? Oh come to Greece then. Otherwise you can kiss my lovely ass.
@Mariah4ever (TRISH)
Yes Mariah smiled and she was beautiful as she always is. Still, she is a sh***y performer and this is what we talk about. If you want to defend her performing skills go on and do it. Don’t insult Celine to make Mariah look better. This is pathetic. Nobody mocked Mariah. Why do you mock Celine ? Answer : Cause you are pressed and can’t think to save your life. #Oooops. Celine is also too polite to be your model.
@ what the what
Welcome back. You figured out how TRISH is a great
combination of drama queen and attention whore. She is
out of control now as she says she wants to beat me and
spit on Madonna’s and Celine’s face. LOL @ her lunacy.
Please, take note at her post where she claimed the
singles from ”Emotions” sold almost 7m copies worldwide, when they only got two Gold Us certifications.
That would mean her album ”Emotions” sold over 65m
copies as it is 4xPlatinum in Us and certified worldwide.
And that cow has the nerve to ask questions on sales.
Will I be mean to tell her she should finish elementary
school and learn basic maths ? Lmao. She is so dismissed.
Keep up the good work, dear.
Trish,you are right.Madonna doesn’t have a great range as Maria and Whitney,this is a lie.For the sales question,if Emotions sold 9 million by 2011,Celine Dion album would sold 5 million the most,since Emotions was way most successful and got most certifications. than Celine Dion album,whatever say links.
You are right Trish,Celine’s albums doesn’t reappears on Charts as well as Mariah’s.Besides,not just celine’s albums sales grow up throughout the years,but also Mariah’s.I don’t encourage the insults,but I admit you are right in your claims.
Gambit = Trish.
:)
@ Post 240
1)Emotions sold 14 million.Her label just use her 1990’s sales and doesn’t update Mariah’s sales by 2011. Mariah said 10m albums by 1998.
You said: Her site ”Mariah Journal” says 8m as well.Her site also said Mariah is the best selling female artist of all times with sales over 250 million records worldwide.See?
2)All Mariah’s albums were pop even they included many rnb influences among other genres. (gospel, soul. jazz).They stay Pop albums.
Nobody says Mariah’s 1990’s albums were 100% Pop.But,We say Mariah is a Pop artist.Neither Celine’s 1990 albums were not 100 % Pop as well as Mariah’s.But,she stay a Pop performer.
3)You proved nothing n Celine’s 1990’s albums.All that you said is that they surpass Mariah’s cause they were not counted at the 2000 year as Mariah’s.I show you the list of Celine’s sales giving by Sony BMG Music by 2000,but you refute it since it doesn’t support your lies and your crap links. You refute a Sony claim about Celine’s sales while you try to make swallow some fan made links and your delusional statements.Who do you think you are ? A Celine representative ?
4)Mariah is not border as artist.Her vocal techniques and style match with every musical genres,not only in Rnb/Hip Hop genre.As a pop artist,Mariah is unbeatable in every other genres she performs.Pop/Ballads,AC,Soul/R&B,Dance,Contemporary R&B,Gospel,Rock,Jazz,etc…
5)Mariah has Someday,You need Me,Bringing On The Heartbreak as pure Rock songs.Celine doesn’t have any pure Rock song.About Fantasy and All I Want For Christmas Is You,just tell your opinion to the experts that states so.I don’t try to credit Mariah as a Rock artist,but I want to show to everyone that Mariah is a multi various artist,not border only in Pop and Hip Hop genres.
9)You said me: “… Oh come to Greece then. Otherwise you can kiss my lovely ass.” You just counfond me with Moff.Maybe If I were a boy,I would kiss your ass like usually do Moff.But I would rather kick your slut ass !
Lucky Luke = MOFF = What The What
@ GAMBIT (TRISH)
You retard, I never said Madonna has an impressive SINGING range as I clearly mentioned she can’t sing her notes, just screams and becomes thin and annoying. So you can take a fu**ing seat for attacking my knowledge.
Your sarcasm comes from the person that said Subo is a
better singer than Mariah ? Sorry, I’ll pass. Second, Celine Dion album INDEED sold like 5m. Why do we have to mention Celine everytime we talk about Mariah’s albums ? Are you pressed bitch ? Stay like that. Who are you to say who is right and wrong ? Aren’t you the big dumbass that called Subo the best selling female artist ? How come you know stuff on Mariah’s and Celine’s sophomore albums in specific when you posted all this bullacrap
on Subo’s first album ? #Oooops
You don’t encourage insults ? Bitch go to hell, you entered here insulting Moff as a slut, TRISH as a whore and animal and called me pig. Crazy much ? Yes. C Ya.
@ GUTTERFLY
1)How come Emotions sold 8m by 1998 and 6m from 1999-2011 ? PROVE IT ! This would mean her large sellers that sold over 25m copies would sell over 10m during the 00s in PROPORTION as they are her strong sellers
and most popular albums. #FAIL
2)Mariah Journal shows sales of 200m records and doesn’t credit her as being the best selling female artist. Here you are lying creep :
mariahjournal.com/infozone/charts/albums/worldwide/index.shtml
#LIE EXPOSED
#BIG FAKE ASS OWNED
3)An album featuring many genres is a mixed bag. Not a pure pop album. If you put 3 balls of chocolate ice cream and 1 strawberry and 1 vanilla you don’t eat chocolate you dork. You taste a nice combination of flavours. This is the case we Mariah’s 1990-1995 albums.
NEXT->
4)Celine’s albums were all 90%+ pop. A few tracks that were not pop, where still pop in their base and influenced by some other genres. NEXT->
5)You showed no list because you changed the numbers the 2nd time you posted it. How come there is an official Sony Bmg list about Celine and I ignore about it ? When you mentioned her sales based on the All The Way Dvd I responded as I knew about it. Who do you think you are for mentioning lists you can’t prove ? A Sony Bmg Representantive ? Here I am ! I am asking you a straight question. Where did you find this list ? Where ? *waiting*
6)Who said Mariah is a border artist you idiot ? Did I ever implied she is limited ? Tell me you are sick ? You are uneducated ? What is your fu**ing problem ? I know damn well Mariah’s flexibility over music genres, she can sing almost everything. What I said is that she is infuenced by rnb artists. FACT. Most of her stylistic singing stuff are mainly used in rnb singing. FACT. She is widely expressed by rnb and hip hop. FACT. These facts don’t make her limited and I never said something like that.
7)None of these are pure rock songs. Someday is dance pop as well, You Need Me has too careful and soft musical instrumentation (except for the solo) to be credited as pure rock and Bringing on the heartbreak is rnb in parts. If You need me is considered pure
rock for you then I guess you should consider Celine’s Des mots qui sonnent and J’irai ou tu iras pure rock. If Someday is rock for you then Dans un autre monde is
pure rock. If Bringing on the heartbreak is pure rock then Tout pres du bonheaur and Tout l’or des hommes are
pure rock by all means.
8)No dear, Moff could never drop his level to say he wants to beat people or spit them. This is your big difference. He doesn’t have psychological problems. You do. And I think you deserve to kiss my ass, than touch my face. You are good enough for my ass, not my face.
9)Your post 144 is ignored.
10)Before you ask questions on sales maybe you should either take back or explain how Mariah sells 200m albums when your sales per market show 160m and then explain how two gold Us certifications equal to sales of 7m copies. This would mean the album ”Emotions” sold over
65m worldwide in proportion.
Back to your trailer lovely retard, insect.
@ MOFF
I know. Tane was right, while I have to admit I never thought of it in the start. Now I see, it is not by chance he appeared when Trish had nothing to answer on Mariah’s Japanese sales, got cornered and had ”left” the debate. She show Gabmit was over for his stupidity
so she returned as the peaceful girl that wants to leave.
@ Tane
You are a goddess. You figured out some sh***y tactics
right from the start. You got my respect, girl.
1)Mariah Daily Journal already shows sales of 250m records and credit her as being the best selling female artist.I had read it on March 2010 during Mariah’s pregnancy.
2)Mariah’s 1990’s albums are called Pop albums whatever if they are influenced by other musical genres.I never seen they put mixed album bag for Mariah’s Emotions,Daydream,Mariah Carey,etc…
Besides,even Mariah’s R&B albums are influenced by the Pop genres and some other genres.They are not 100% Hip/Hop.
3)You are just embarrassed by my list.Because you are just unable to refute my list about Sony which concern Celine’s 1990’s albums sales.Since you usually claim Celine’s 1990’s albums were not clear unlike Mariah’s just to make swallow that Celine’s 1990’s albums surpass Mariah’s -FAIL
7) Someday is a pure Rock song.
. If You need me is pure
rock beside Celine’s Des mots qui sonnent and J’irai ou tu iras that have nothing to do with Rock music,except for the electric guitar.
How dare you compare Someday with the trash song Dans un autre monde ? Do you think than those songs could be Rock songs just because this is Celine that perform them ?
You also compare Bringing on the heartbreak with Celine’s Tout pres du bonheaur and Tout l’or des hommes .You just forget than everyone can listen to these songs and discover how much you are a creep liar ! HOW COULD YOU COMPARE BRINGN ON THE HEARTBREAK WITH CELINE’S TOUT L’OR DES HOMMES ON ROCK INFLUENCE?????????????????????????? ARE YOU FOOL ?????
I have nothing to say after this. You are completely ill because of this camel called Celine.
8) How would a healthy guy could talk about his ass ? True and healthy guys talk about their dick and are proud about it.There is just half-guys like you that are proud enough about their asses to talk about it like this.Dear,it’s normal that Moff f**ck your ass since he’s your husband.But about me I have to kick your ass and spit on your face.Maybe Moff could never drop his level to hurt you by insults,but he take pleasure to hurt you by fuc**ng your slut and spoil ass.Bitch !
Mariah’s Emotions sold 14 million worldwide.You fail in your crap theories.You proved nothing at all. Sorry,you’d better forget your clown and your coward husband called Moff that you never stopped to defend.What a shame,you make me want to vomit !
1) You are a big liar. I showed you the link of her site and it still claims 200m records just like Island Def Jam did in December 2010 while promoting her Xmas album. You don’t get anywhere with lies. Moreover, even if her
site claims 250m records, that alone puts you in total shame for claiming 300m records. In both cases you are the delusion dumbass. #FAIL
2) These albums are pop and rnb and feature other genres so you can’t just call everything pop, unless you are an ignorant. #Oooops you are ! Daydream was the album were she leaned towards urban and rnb/hip hop while balancing the whole album with pop AC tracks. You said Mariah’s Fantasy (Remix) made her influential for mixing pop/rnb with hip hop. So how come Daydream is a pure pop album and not an rnb/pop album ? Logic thought will make you repeat yourself again like a fool. Poor thing. :/
3) Yes dear. You said it right. I embarrassed YOUR list. Not any list by Sony Bmg. Official lists exist on the internet. Biased, crappy lists exist on your retarded head. You would show me the list if you could. But you can’t. Yes you read right. I challenge you and tell you, you can’t. And yes, Celine’s 90’s albums received their certifications up to 2004.
#FACT
4)Someday is a dance song. Why do people dance on the video ? If it was a rock song you’d probably see Mariah rocking and not moving like she’s dancing. It is a perfect mix of soft rock and dance pop. Next ->
You say Celine’s songs are not rock despite the fact that they use electric guitar ? Ok. So what makes Mariah’s songs pure rock ? Someday doesn’t have
anything more than the Celine’s songs I mentioned in terms of arrangements. Anyone can listen to the respective Mariah’s and Celine’s songs and see I am so right…again ! They are not pure rock songs. Just influenced by the rock genre.
5) I talked about my ass because crap comes out of it. And you belong exactly there. Next to my crap. Got it ? That’s your place. You don’t have enough value to suck my dick. My dick is too good for your sloppy wet mouth.
By the way, I love how think you are in position to define and judge what is right and healthy. Maybe you’ll know better in 2012 after you’ll have spend 2 full years of your miserable life mocking people in here. How ironic !
6) No bitch. Reply how Emotions sold 8m by 1998 - YOU said so and 14m by 2011. I don’t make any theories on this album. YOU are the one that can’t explain how this album sold over 6m from 1999-2011. It is simple question. What makes you unable to reply ? :-)
7) Now go back to a mental hospital. Moff will be like you once he starts saying he feels the need to hurt people.
PS : Someday is actually Jackswing. Bringing On The
Heartbreak is rock/rnb and features a gospel choir. You
need me is pop/rock and Open Arms is pop/rock/AC ballad.
There it ends. No pure rock song. As of Daydream it is
60% rnb. Period. Make it happen is rnb/gospel.
it has been said before by Whitney houston ‘why people do this is beyond me, I think its really shallow of people to be comparing artists together’
people here especially me, are all being quite shallow:/
not to be mean or anything but hmm how do I put this, I think we all need to accept the truth of the facts being displayed here , but how can we when each and every fact we bring here are all completely different?
@trish your facts are thorough but can be wrong at times, your undeniably a true Mariah Carey fan and I totally respect that, but what I don’t respect is some of the lies. I don’t hate you trish believe me, in person I believe we can be good friends but some of the lies I just don’t like. and when you said I tried to get sympathy from them that was just so ironic of you.
by brains going in overload with all this info from everyone haha:)
@ tane
She lied that ”Mariah Journal” mentioned sales od 250m.
You know the site very well so you know who speaks the
truth.
She lied that Sony Bmg released a list in 1998 (then changed to 2000) where Unison’s sales stood at 2m then 1.5m. Surprisingly enough she can’t show us the list.
She lied the singles from Emotions sold 7m, while the only got 2 gold Us and 1 gold N.Zealand certification.
She lied that Emotions sold over 6m during the 00s, while
the album never charted again since 1992 and is considered Mariah’s less popular 90s studio album by far. This would mean her more popular and well known albums would sell like 10m the least during the 00s.
She will try to copy paste my answer - as usual - blaming me for lies. But my posts don’t have lies - she just calls lies the things SHE DENIES ! But every time I
call her out on her lies she just avoids the subject.
I am glad you figured out her lies and her crappy biased
tactics. She never answers questions, she only changes subject targeting and mocking Celine.
1) You are a creep vulture. You showed nothing about Mariah’s record sales.Mariah Daily Journal claimed Mariah the best selling female artist of all times with sales over 250 million of records .I am right about everything I claimed here !
FAIL
2) These Mariah 1990 albums are pop albums.They are called Pop albums.Mariah Carey and Daydream won many Awards for the Pop category,not Pop and rnb and feature other genres category. FAIL
Daydream is mainly a Pop album.The album doesn’t include the remix of Fantasy.The Single of Fantasy got the Remix with ODB,not the Daydream album.
FAIL
3) Yes dear.This is me,that embarrassed you and YOUR lies.I clearly show the Sony BMG List,but you can’t say crap about it ,cause your crap links doesn’t got enough lies to refute this list. FAIL
Celine’s 90’s albums received their certifications up to 2004 because this is only by 2003 that they started to sell.So simple.That doesn’t make her a huge seller. FAIL
4)Someday is a Rock song.Maybe Celine’s songs are Rock just because she Rocks with her huge nose,but that have any musical value… pffftt !
5) You talked about your ass because many dicks usually enter inside it,including Moff’s dick. You are a shameless BITCH.Besides,there is any difference between a crap and you.I think that you are a billion times worst then crap, as you usually eat it.You don’t worth to belong even next to my crap,you can only eat it cause the crap is superior to you.You like to eat crap ? Good for you,continue to eat it cause this is the better thing that you worth to eat.
About sucking dick, I think that you are better on this than me,since you implore every male debaters on Popdirt blogs to let you sucking their dicks. Oooooought !!!!!!! ….. Pervert Slut !
You don’t have dick at all for your own.Otherwise,you wouldn’t implore any guy like you do just to suck their dicks,then be fu**ed by them. What an ashamed bitch ! Then you say you finish lawyer school ! Great ! You’ll be a very good blowjob Lawyer !
By the way,How could I suck your dick when you want to suck other guys dicks for your own? If I was a bitch,I would suck a dick from a man or from a real boy,not from a wanna be man.You are even not a half man.Your mother would surely be more proud of you if she had an abortion than giving birth to a perfect crap like you……xxzxx !
6)Emotions sold 10m by 1998 – Then 14m by 2011. End Of Story !
Unison sold 1,5 in 1998,by 2011 it reach 2 million worldwide.
Celine Dion sold 2 million in 1998,now its sales reach 3 million
Any of them never reappered in charts,just like Emotions.
Explain Celine’s Ceine Dion 2 million- 1998 – Then 6 million -2011 if you dare !
7) You can say anything you want to defend Moff,since he will satisfy you later by fuc**g your miserable ass that nobody want to fu** anymore ,cause it is too much damaged by several thousands of dicks that make it more and more deeper. Bitch !
Tane,I don’t lie.Just consult the All The Way DVD Video.You will see very clearly Sony give every Celine’s Albums sales till May 2000.I Own this DVD video since July 2001 Tane,believe me.Since this time,every Celine’s 1990 albums sales were clear.So, saying that Celine surpass Mariah’s by 20 million album just because she got 2 or 3 supplementary new certifications sales by 2001 - 2003 is just a pure lie.The All The Way DVD even give the sales of All The Way album,that was at 16 million till May 2000. You will see every Celine’s sales for all her albums since 1990 to 2000 year.Everything was clear about her sales as well as Mariah’s sales.This is not a today link that could change those facts !
Tane,read it please.This vampire said MTV Unplugged sold 6- 7 million worldwide, while Sony claimed MTV Unplugged album reached 5 million sales worldwide shortly after its release in 1992.When it comes to Celine’s Unison and Celine Dion albums,he says that their 2011 sales reach 4 and 6 million respectively whereas till 1992,Unison reached 1 million sales worldwide and Celine Dion reached 2 million sales worldwide till 1993.So,how could MTV Unplugged increase by just 1 million new sales when Celine’s Unison and Celine Dion would increasing by 4 million new sales each ? can you explicit this to me Tane ? As you know,Emotions was way more popular than these both Celine’ Albums.When it come to Mariah’s albums,this vermin say they were not recharted,so their sales couldn’t increase by more than 1 million.But what about Celine’s album? Are they recharted unlike Mariah’s ?
This vampire always try to take down Mariah’s sales certifications by saying Celine has much more Certifications sales than Mariah.For example,for A New day Has Come album, Celine needs to got Certifications sales coming from 20 different countries in the whole Europe to reach 3 million sales,while Mariah needs just 6 Platinum certifications sales just in USA to blow her away by 6 million sales for The Emancipation Of Mimi.See ? So,talking about Gold,Platinum,Diamond certifications sales mean nothing when the sales are not expressed clearly.Certifications sales worth nothing in Europe compare with USA.
Tane,I really saw in Mariah Daily Journal they claimed Mariah the best selling female artist of all times with sales of 250 million records,you must believe me.I had read it in a interview at Marsh 2011,when Mariah had some nude photos with Nick Cannon for some Magazines covers during the last days of her pregnancy.I swear it,I don’t lie.
1) You are an uncomparable liar and a vulture.You showed nothing on Mariah’s sales,only delusional crap links and pathetic lies.Island Def Jam doesn’t count Mariah’s 1990 albums.Only Sony/Columbia could state about Mariah’s albums.Def Jam could only give estimations about Mariah’s sales between 2002- 2010.
FAIL
2) These Mariah’s albums are pop albums.Either they got some rnb and feature other genres,they stay Pop albums.
FAIL
3)Mariah’s Daydream album doesn’t include the remix of Fantasy,the Single of Fantasy includes the Remix with ODB,not Daydream album FAIL
Daydream won an American Music Award as Best Pop/Rock Album- So,tell your little opinion to the musical experts that states so. FAIL
3)No dear.This is me that embarrassed YOUR crap links and delusional theories by which Celine’s 1990’s albums surpass Mariah’s. FAIL
I challenge you to show how Unison,Celine Dion and The Colour Of My Love could ever surpass respectively 3,4 and 12 million sales.Since any of them didn’t recharted since their release at the 1990’s.
Celine’s 90?s albums received their certifications to 2004 because they started to sell only by 2003.That doesn’t mean they reached huge amount of sales. FAIL
4)Someday is a pure dance song.You Need Me and Bringin’ On The Heartbreak is 80 % Rock.Any of Celine’s french song you cited has nothing to do with Rock music. FAIL
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6) Emotions sold 10m by 1998 – Then 14m by 2011.
7) Moff will be like me if he refused to fu** your bony and miserable ass ? You would be deceived if Moff would say he doesn’t want to hurt your damaged ass anymore .BITCH !
1) You are still lying and anyone can see what Mariah
Journal mentions as of June 2011. Failure is all yours.
2) They are called pop albums by ignorants like you. 60%
of Daydream is rnb. It the album where she leaned
towards urban rnb and her label didn’t like that
decision. Same goes for Motolla who had fight with her.
Mariah wanted BoyzIIMen - an rnb group - in the album,
who pissed Tomy off. Melt Away, Long Ago, Underneath The
Stars, One Sweet Day, I Am Free, Always Be My Baby,
Daydream are all rnb.
3) You showed no list. First you said the list was
released in 2000, then 1998 while posting her Unison
album sold 2m (first list) and then changed to
1.5m. You still think you showed a list ? Sorry. Give me
the link. How come you found a list and I can’t see it
on the internet ? Oooops Then you post to Tane that
you saw this list on 2001 ! Decide you slut, it is
1998 ? 2000 ? 2001 ? or shut the fu** up, lying creep.
4) Someday is jackswing. Next. You can’t answer what
makes Mariah’s songs rock and Celine’s not rock and this
is why you mock Celine. How pathetic you are.
5) I talked about my ass, because you are good enough to
suck it. Let’s not repeat all this. Just accept where
you belong. The rest things you said hardly make sense.
#IGNORED
6) ”Emotions sold 10m by 1998 – Then 14m by 2011. End
Of Story !” You think you somehow debate like that ?
You think I won’t insist ?
”Explain Celine’s Ceine Dion 2 million- 1998 – Then 6
million -2011 if you dare !”
Show me the list, if you dare and I swear to my life, I
will explain everything you want.
7) Post 253 is ignored because answers are already given
on this Dvd.
8) I say Unison sold 3m copies and Celine Dion 5m
copies. Try again. Your post 254 shows now your
inability to read. MTV Unplugged sold 7m copies
as all her sites and limited certifications show.
9) Post 255 proves you have no logic. I never boasted
about Celine’s certifications as A WHOLE, cause I know
Celine is popular in many micro markets where a
certification would mean 10k of sales. Next dear ->
You are boring.
10) Post 256 is a huge lie. Tane knows the site and
posted it twice in the past just to prove you wrong for
the bullcrap you talked about on Mariah’s Japanese
sales. #FAIL Second, why would anyone believe and trust
you when you say ”I read an article on this site” !
Aren’t you the same person that used to lie she trusts
info from magazines and then got cornered by me as no
magazines give Mariah the title of best seller ? hmm…
oh yeah you are ! So you are not in position to demand
trust from anyone here. Move your ass to post your
fu**ing lists. How come you can’t post something you
read on the internet ?
11) Post 267 : Sony Bmg announcements don’t contradict
with the ones by Island Def Jam. #FAIL Manipulative
slut ! You also contradict with all Sony Bmg
Announcements till 2001, so why do you bother attacking
me ? Lmao ! #FAIL Moreover, even if we forget about
labels it also Mariah’s management team, her own words,
biographies and official sites that confirm she sold like
200m records + ! #BIG FAIL
12) An album featuring 10 songs, 5 of them pop and rest
from other genres would be considered pure pop by an
idiot. #Ooops. I can accept being MAINLY pop, but PURE
pop ? Bitch, have a fu**ing seat.
13) So Daydream is a rock album as well ? #DEAD
14) ”I challenge you to show how Unison,Celine Dion and The Colour Of My Love could ever surpass respectively 3,4 and 12 million sales.Since any of them didn’t recharted since their release at the 1990?s.”
I challenge you to show me a site where this list is
featured and I will reply next. :-) I can’t reply to
things when I think they are part of your imagination.
15) ”Celine’s 90?s albums received their certifications
to 2004 because they started to sell only by 2003.
That doesn’t mean they reached huge amount of sales. FAIL”
Who told you her albums started selling in 2003 you
retard ? Next —> Before writing the word FAIL make
sure you have articulated your arguments properly,
retarded weirdo.
16) All Celine songs I mentioned are rock influenced.
#FAIL Still, it would be nice having some brain to see
I don’t try to credit Celine for some assets. LOL
17) I don’t know what’s your problem. Saying Mariah’s
less popular 90s album sold effortlessly 4m in the
past decade, would mean her best sellers sold like 10m
copies. You don’t make me angry for repeating this. You
make yourself look like a fool, and yes I know nobody
knows you here in person, nobody knows your face and
stats, but it is clear I am talking to a stupid person
that posts crap, only to react to what I say. It is a
dumb tactic that leads nowhere. Change it. When we talk
about Mariah we talk about Mariah.
18) The repeated insults are ignored.
Funny how you think you are able to ask questions when
you still can’t explain how Mariah sells 200m albums,
when your estimations show 160m per market. Funny how
there is a HUGE contradiction of 40m copies IN YOUR
OWN WORDS ! What are you saying bitch ? That Celine
sold only 200m records ? Ok ! Who cares if she sold
200m like you say, or 220m+ like Billboard says or
230m+ like I say. Who cares ? The big problem here is
YOU claiming 300m for Mariah, contradicting with all
sources and acting like a dumb lazy ass thinking you
somehow can corner me. Get a brain for a change.
sorry, I hadn’t been here for a while. But what I have just seen in this debate is: Oh my god!
TRISH ? You are out of control!
Actually talking about dicks and asses won’t help you to get healthy again, you are a destroyed person who needs psychological help - urgent!
POST 215
”Everyone listen to me.There is Celine’s 1990?s albums worldwide sales till May 2000.
Unison 2 million
- Celine Dion 4 million
-The Colour Of My Love 12 million
-D’eux The French Album 7 million
-These Are Special Times 8 million
-Falling Into you 27 million
-Let’s Talk About Love 27 million
-All The Way A Decade Of Songs 16 million”
POST 221
”Unison 4 million
About Celine’s albums
- Celine Dion 6 million
- The Colour Of My Love 15 – 17 million
- Falling into you 32 million
- Let’s talk about Love 31 million
- These are Special Times 12 million
- All The Way,A Decade Of Songs – 16 million
All these datas were giving by Sony Music 2000,dear a-hole.”
POST 223
”Celine Dion album couldn’t surpass 3 million sales nowadays,since its 1998 sales were at 2 million worldwide.Inform yourself a-hole.”
POST 236 :
”UNISON 1,5 MILLION IN 1998 = 2,5 MILLION IN 2011”
POST 253 : ”Just consult the All The Way DVD Video.You will see very clearly Sony give every Celine’s Albums sales till May 2000.I Own this DVD video since July 2001 ”
——-> RESULT :
First comment we have a list released in 2000. The sales
facts of this list are changed on the very next post.
Then we have info for 1998, instead of 2000. Then
Unison’s sales change from 2m to 1.5m. Then we forget
about 2000 or 1998 and we see a list of Celine’s Dvd
that was actually released on February 2001. And this
big fraud still insists she PROVED A LIST ! LMAO Retard.
Don’t ever come back. You made a fool of yourself
already.
So Celine can’t sell 1m of her Unison album in 12 years
but Mariah CAN sell 6m of Emotions in that era. LMAO
And that bleep tries to say I am biased… -.-‘
I can play the same game as Trish.
- She says Emotions sold 14-15m and D’Eux 9m.
Let’s see her credibility.
Emotions : 4xP Us, 1xP Europe, 4xP Canada, 1xP
Australia and Million Japan = 6.5m+ by its certifications
in the world’s MOST POPULAR AND KNOWN MARKETS.
D’Eux : 8xP Europe = 8m coming from one market.
Still according to TRISH D’Eux is outsold by almost a
DOUBLE amount of copies. According to Nielsen Soundscan
D’Eux sold 300k in Us and we all know it is 7xP in
Canada. So the 9m are established by only 3 music
markets. Where does Emotions sell the rest 9m ?
In Latin America, Africa and the little Asian markets ?
Xa xa xa xa xa ! What kind of FACTS prove this ? Same
markets were Butterfly is supposed to sell over 10m ?
#LMAO
- Trish says The Colour Of My Love sold just like
Emotions, if not less. Let’s see her credibility again :
The Colour Of My Love : 6xP Us, 4xP Europe,
Diamond in Canada, Million in Japan.
Already 12 MILLION COPIES without counting its huge
success in Oceania ! Emotions sells 6.5m in these
markets but somehow is in the same level as Celine’s
album on a worldwide level. Makes sense ? NO ! Only
a biased lying creep would post such dumb crap.
THE SICK LIAR OF THIS DEBATE IS EXPOSED BY ALL MEANS !!!
So Mariah can’t sell 1m of her Emotions album in 12 years
but Celine CAN sell 4m of Celine Dion album and Unison in that era. LMAO
And that bleep tries to say I am biased… -.-’
The word ”bleep” doesn’t exist in English or any other
language. It was a typing mistake. LOL at your copy
paste system. I told you to stop it long ago, but you
never listened to me. And what do you get now ? Acting
like a fool by using vocabulary that doesn’t existe.
Aaaaah, you’ll never learn.
Second, I actually accept how Emotions logically sold
9m worldwide by 2011, while it had sold 8m by 1998
according to Mariah and her label. And the other
accusation is invalid as long as I don’t see the list.
You show the list and I reply to everything. Till then
all accusations against me are invalid. And please do me
a favour to decide which year this list was announced,
cause I can’t reply to 3 different lists, showing 3
different sales facts. LOL This is a mess. Thanx.
Correction : I actually never said ”Unison” sold 2m by
2000 and 3m by 2011. All I am saying is the second scale
of this. I never mentioned the sales of these two albums
by era ! I never mentioned how much they sold by 1998 or
2000 ! So I don’t get the sarcasm at all. I am accused of
contradicting to a list, not my own words. You are
accused of contradicting to your own words, when you
claim MC sold 200m albums and then show 160m per market.
So this is a huge difference ! On top of this,
you repeated many times that Emotions sold over 6m in
the 00a for a total of 14m+ copies. You repeat that
Emotions sold as much as TCOM while their respective
certified sales in the world’s most popular markets
stand at 6.5m and 12m respectively. If you find logic in
this, I rest my case. But ok, I know you think
Mariah does everything better than Celine so all this
might seems very possible to you. But what about
comparing what you said about Emotions to what you
said about other Mariah albums ? For instance, how come
The Emancipation Of Mimi sells 12m copies according to
you and it is beaten down by Emotions that sold
14m copies ? TEOM sold 6m in Us alone, while Emotions
sold 6m in Us, Canada, Europe, Japan combined. I don’t
get how still insist. Your arguments don’t make sense
whether I compare them to Celine’s or Mariah’s albums.
If I am a liar for contradicting to a list you never
brought, how should I call you for contradicting with
your own words and posts multiple times ? Bye Trish.
@The Reason - I bleeped a curse word
@ popdirt
Well, the whole copy past system is still dumb, lol.
Thanx for the correction !!
Moff,keep your words straight,devilish a-hole ! You see very well that’s Lucky Luke who’s the first that talk about ass, crap and dick.I just reply to his insults.Shut your mouth Moff.You can’t open your ugly mouth without defend your alter ego then blame me.
Lucky Luke compare the Emotions sales with TCOML ? Just make this same logic about A New Day Has Come sales.Its European + US = Canadian sales = 7 million.So how could you say A New Day Has Come sold 11 million worldwide ? Not just Mariah’s sales are limited to what are giving by certifications sales,crafty liar !
I mean European + US + Canadian sales = 7 million. For ANDHC
You said Emotions sold 6 million in US,Canada,Europe and Japan combined.But same goes for Celine’s Eponymous album.Its US + Europe + Canada + Japan sales reach 3,5 million.So,how could we say it reach 6 million sales worldwide ?
About The Colour Of My Love,you usually say 18 - 19 million for its worldwide sales while Certification reach only 12 million sales.You are a vampire lucky Luke.You already said that TCOML surpass Mariah Carey eponymous album while Mariah Carey’s US + Europe sales equals 11 million + Japan sales = 12 million.I even don’t talk about its Asian sales that surpass Celine’s TCOML by far ! Same goes for the All The way album that you try to claim 21 million while you claim 17 million for Mariah’s # 1’S. You are so creep ! In Facts,All the way sold 18 million while # 1 ‘s sold 21 million worldwide.
About the list I gave for Celine’s sales in 2000 year.Just check what say the All The Way DVD,since you said Celine’s 1990’s albums weren’t clear in 2000 year,just to spread your lies and claim her 1990’s albums surpass Mariah’s.Although every sources claim the opposite.You can run but you can’t hide.You could never prove Celine’s 1990’s albums surpass Mariah’s by even 1 million ! Mariah still ahead of Celine for her 1990’s albums ! No crap links and sources can’t change it !
You usually claim that your main problem with me is that I still demand 200 million albums for Mariah.But,did you ever have an agreement with Mandy ? Carla? Momo ? That claim Mariah surpass Celine by a few million of albums ? You even try to equals Celine’s Singles with Mariah’s while everyone knows Celine is a weak single seller while Mariah is a great single seller ! You are so crafty ! You always find a way to justify your lies then refute some real facts by crap links,lists and sources !
I think these certifications will end the rumour of the 21 million sales of Number Ones by Mariah Carey:
#1’S
South Africa 100.000 (2x Platinum)
Germany 250.000 (Gold) #10
Argentina 100.000 (Platinum)
Australia 100.000 (Platinum)
Austria 25.000 (Gold) #6
Brasil 1.250.000 (5x Platinum) #4
Bulgary 175.000 (5x Platinum)
Canada 300.000 (3x Platinum) #6
Singapore 200.000 (10x Platinum) #1 (12 weeks)
China 1.000.000 (shipped) 610.000 (sold)
Korea 300.000 (3x Platinum) #1 (7 weeks)
Denmark 58.000 (Platinum) #7
United States (BMG Music club) 1.000.000
United States (RIAA) 5.000.000 (5x Platinum) #4 (2 weeks)
United States (SoundScan) 3.413.000 (until 01/08/2004)
Spain 100.000 (Platinum) #7
Europe 2.000.000 (2x Platinum)
Philipines 100.000 (2x Platinum) #1 (11 weeks)
France 680.000 (2x Platinum) #2 (3 weeks) - compilation chart
Greece 50.000 (Platinum)
Holland 80.000 (Platinum) #13
Japan (Oricon) 2.810.000 #1 (2 weeks)
Japan (Shipments + Imports) 3.600.000
Italy 300.000 (3x Platinum)
Israel 20.000 (Gold)
Malaysia 300.000 (6x Platinum) #1 (15 weeks)
Norway 20.000 (Gold) #6
New Zealand 30.000 (2x Platinum) #8
United Kingdom (BPI) 300.000 (Platinum) #10
Czech Republic 10.000 (Gold)
Sweden 80.000 (Platinum) #8
Switzerland 50.000 (Platinum) #3
Taiwan 400.000 (8x Platinum) #1 (12 weeks)
Venezuela 15.000 (Gold)
India #2
Belgium #6
Finland #9
Hungary #15
How come #1s sold 21 million ?
@ POST 269 :
ANDDC : Us 3m + 600k Cnd + 3m Eur + 150k Jpn + 150k Aus
= Almost 7m + number 1 spot at Africa, Argentina and
Mexico (but no big deal about them). So, this is why I
give 11m to A New Day Has Come, which is around 2m more
compared to Emotions. Still, this is NOTHING
compared to what YOU post because YOUR sales difference
stands at almost 6m : Emotions (6.5m in big markets) ,
TCOML (12m in big markets) ! Yet you insist they are
equal or that Celine’s album is beaten down. So fix this
huge gap OF 6 MILLION and then attack me for these
insignificant mistakes of 2 MILLION sales.
@ POST 271 :
I stood corrected long ago and already said the Celine
Dion album sold 5m worldwide. 3.5m+ of them come from
the markets you cited and the rest from the other word.
You still attack me for putting 1.5m to a Celine album,
while you post 200m albums for Mariah and your other
posts show sales of 160m. Why don’t you FIRST fix that
huge contradiction of 40 MILLION ALBUMS and THEN spend
time on difference of 1.5 MILLION ?
POST 271 :
”About The Colour Of My Love,you usually say 18 – 19 million for its worldwide sales while Certification reach only 12 million sales”
You have to be joking now ! Butterfly sold 5m in Us, 1m
Europe , 1m Japan and like 500k in Canada and Oceania :
7.5m and you have been repeating it sold over 18m
worldwide. So how come I am the vampire here ?
I am accused of puting 6 MILLION to a Celine album while
you put 10 MILLION to a Mariah one..! TEN MILLION !
”I even don’t talk about its Asian sales that surpass Celine’s TCOML by far ! ” —>
Nope. You lie here ! You don’t talk about these because
we know you totally ignore her Asian sales. It is not
your choice. Moreover, why don’t you mention Canada and
Oceania as well ? Oh yeah ! Because Mariah’s debut is
suprassed :
TCOML : 1m Canada , 6m Us , 4m Eur , 1m Jap , 560k
Australia (8XP)
MC : 700k Canada , 9m Us , 1m Eur , 1m Jap , 140k
Australia (2xP) = 12.5m VS 11.9m !
So if you somehow insist I am a liar, prove me wrong by
bringing their real Asian, African and L.American FACTS
that make Mariah’s album more successful. You said ”by
far” , so you must know something I don’t.
NOW TAKE NOTE ON THAT : THIS IS YOUR WORST COMMENT :
”All The way album that you try to claim 21 million while you claim 17 million for Mariah’s # 1?S. You are so creep ! In Facts, All the way sold 18 million while # 1 ‘s sold 21 million worldwide.”
All The Way : 7m Us , 1m Canada , 5m Europe , 2m Japan ,
210k Australia (3xP)
Number 1s : 5m Us , 300k Canada , 2m Europe , 3m Japan ,
70k Asutalia (1xP) = 15m+ VS 10.4m
Maybe it’s time for you to reply how the sales from
all the rest insignificant little markets make Mariah’s
album not only cover the huge 5m difference but also
beat down Celine for like 3m, as you claim. IN OTHER
WORDS YOU SIMPLY TELL US THIS : that Number 1s sold over
11m copies in rest Asia, Africa and L.America, while
Celine’s album sold 3m there. So O.O.C. !
@ POST 272
Finally you decided on which list you meant. Nice start.
I know this DVD and I don’t have anything new to add
to what I had already said many months ago when you
mentioned this Dvd list again. So I repeat myself :
Celine’s list showed the sales that were counted/known
by then. I don’t lie, as Celine recieved her
certifications up to 2004 for her 90s albums. Deal with
it. I already showed you these dates that are all
established facts. It not just the links you call
biased. She was even present at these 00s ceremonies
where artists receive their certifications (not to all
of them, but anyway) ! She was even awarded in 2002 or
2003. In 2002 she received a Special Latin Billboard
Award for a song released 4 years prior : My Heart Will
Go On. In 2002/March 2003 she received 2 IFPI awards
celebrating the sales of Lets Talk about love (1997)
(10m mark - certified then) and her total European sales
as of 2003. Her total UK sales were announced for first
time in 2002 ! The fact that you don’t believe all the
certification dates I have been posting doesn’t
make me a liar. Pretty clear. On top of that it was
known in 2004 or 2005 (don’t remember exactly) that
Celine had reached the 5m mark with her Christmas
album in Us. These are just some examples. And please
don’t tell me again that Mariah’s albums were certified
in 00s cause I have already replied to these. Only MC
albums receiving their last certifications in 00s were :
Number 1s that got 2xP in Europe in 2003 and her Xmas
album being 5xP in Us in 2006, I think (was 4xP before).
And her Rainbow album of course that is always
considered by me as an 00s album. No comment on the rest
things you posted (Mariah beats Celine blah blah blah) ,
they are ignored for obvious reasons : I am not a kid !
xD
@ POST 273
This is the big problem here. Yeap. The rest people
don’t insist on anything. They post something, I reply -
IN A POLITE WAY - and they don’t answer back. Lmao. I am
quite open to sales facts. Second, don’t call me
crafty and liar for their singles, as I already
challenged you like 5 times (if not more) to talk about
it and you indirectly refuse it. It’s not my problem
if you don’t wanna talk about single sales IN SPECIFIC.
You avoid being specific and choose to be generic. Fine
by me, just don’t attack my credibility like that, since
it’s a topic you have been avoiding for weeks.
And by the way you have some nerve to call me names
because of single sales when you are the one to post
that two Gold Us certifications can lead to a 7m
mark for sales.
”You always find a way to justify your lies then refute
some real facts by crap links,lists and sources !”
—> You have selective amnesia. Remember again please !
In terms of LISTS, you are the one that puts all her
trust on Celine’s Dvd list and a Wikipedia list showing
the best sellers. I never brought any lists like that
but I am accused of bringing list. -.-‘
This is pure lunacy.
Second, you could show some maturity and explain why
each of my links is ”crap”. It is obvious you think I
try to support Celine by lists, because you NEVER opened
a link to see that my links are not about estimations
and lists. It is boring attacking me for biased links,
since I first brought links here AFTER you told me you
trusted magazines. And what do magazines show ? Oh yeah.
That was another fake argument that got dumped. Enjoy
summer and get over that debate ! I don’t know if I’m
gonna reply the following days. I’ll be on the
mountains, Lmao. xD Bye bye <3
@ B.Mars
WOW ! Where did you find these ? Seem very
exact. I didn’t know she sold that much in China with
that album. Of course it doesn’t sell 21m in total. Its
sales from the world’s biggest markets stand at 11m
(counting the 3.6m from Japan) ! I usually stick to
the certifications - to be 100% fair - but you brought
actual detailed sales here. Very Cool ! Please tell your
references. I want to know anything on MC. Thanx. :-)
@ B.MARS totally believable!
Waw ! Mars you just give the detailed data of Memoir Of An Imperfect Angel sales instead of Mariah’s # 1 album.
@Lucky Luke it’s normal that you find any biased list that decrease Mariah’s sales correct.You continue to prove how much you are an objective Mariah fan !
This is surely not you that could judge about the validity of an Mariah’s sales list.Even if the debater would put 10 unit in each country market,you’ll be more than satisfied
B.Mars,Mariah # 1 ‘S album sold 21 million units worldwide.Don’t waste your time on making a biased detailed list.You fail !
B Mars even put 3 million sales for its US sales,when everyone knows RIAA certified this album 5 times platinum for sales over 5 million in US.So,how could
someone swallow your sh**s ? There is only Lucky Luke and other Mariah’s haters that will agree with you my dear.Number 1s : 5m Us , 300k Canada , 2m Europe , 3m Japan ,4 million the less in the rest of Asia
# 1’S album sold over 21 million worldwide ! Take it honey.
1. Music Box 32m/Falling Into You 32m
Daydream 25m/Let’s Talk About Love 31m
#1’s 19m/All The Way 20m
Mariah Carey 18m/ The Colour Of My Love 18m
Merry Christmas 17m/ These Are Special Times 14m
Butterfly 16 m/ A New Day Has come 11m
The Emancipation Of Mimi 12m/ D’eux 9m
Rainbow 12m / Celine Dion 5 m
Emotions 10m /One Heart 5m
MTV Unplugged EP 8m /Taking Chances 3,5m
Greatest Hits 5m/S’il Suffisait D’aimer 3m
Charmbracelet 4,7m/ Miracle 2,5m
Glitter 4m/ /Dion Chante Plamondon 2m
E=MC 2,8m/ Unison 3,5m
Memoirs Of An Imperfect Angel 2m/ The Collector Serie 2 m
The Remixes 1m/ D’elles 2m
The Ballads 0,8m / On Ne Change Pas 1,7m
Merry Christmas II You 1 m/ Celine A L’Olympia 1 m
Playlist 0,4m/Au Coeur Du Stade 1m + My Love 1m +A New Day Live 1m + 1980’s Quebecker albums 1,5m +low selling compilations 2m
ALBUM SALES = They are (almost) equal
Mariah Carey worldwide multi million and million seller singles :
- All I Want For Christmas Is You
- Without You
- We Belong Together
- One Sweet Day
- Hero
- Fantasy
- When You Believe
- Honey
- My All
- Dreamlover
- I Still believe
- Obsessed
- Touch My Body
- Heartbreaker
- Thank God I Found You
- Loverboy
- Vision Of Love
- Emotions
- Love Takes Time
- I’ll Be There
- Endless Love
- Anytime You Need A Friend
- Make It Happen
- Someday
- Can’t Let Go
- Don’t Forget About Us
Celine Dion worldwide multi-million and million seller singles.
- My Heart Will Go On
- Because You Loved Me
- The Power Of Love
- That’s The Way It Is
- I Am Your Angel
- To Love You More
- It’s All Coming Back To Me Now
- All By Myself
- Beauty And The Beast
- Pour Que Tu M’aimes Encore
- D’amour Ou D’amitie
- Sous Le Vent
So,Mariah surpass Celine by a great difference on singles sales.No matter how many each of those singles sold.We see that Mariah has much more million and multi-million seller singles than Celine.( She also much more singles that sold by 500.000 units than Celine ).
SINGLE SALES=Mariah wins
DVD SALES = Celine wins
Mariah 3 million- Celine 5,5 million
SINGING CAPABILITY = Mariah wins
Mariah already make her proofs on singing every musical genres unlike Celine.
VOICE = Mariah wins
Mariah vocal range : 5 octaves -Celine vocal range ; 2,5 octaves
ENTERTAINMENT = Celine wins
POPULARITY = Mariah wins
Mariah is popular in more countries/continents than Celine.
Mariah Carey beat Celine in USA,Japan,Korea,China,Taiwan,Hong Kong,Philipines,Brazil, Thailand,Saoudia Arabia,Costa Rica,Jamaica, West Indies ,Australia,New Zealand,Fidji ,Israel ,Brunei
Celine beat Mariah in Canada,France,UK,Germany,Italia,Spain,Monaco,Belgium,Luxembourg,South Africa.
INFLUENCE = Mariah wins
Mariah influences Kelly Clarkson,Beyonce,Nelly Furtado,Jessica Simpson,Alicia Keys,Kat Deluna,Justin Timberlake,Destiny’s Child,Mary J Blige,Backstreet Boys,Trey Lorenz,Pixie Lott,Ciara,Rihanna,Nivea Hamilton,Christina Aguilera,AnastaciaLucie Silvas,…
Celine influences Charice,Lara Fabian,Garou,etc…
TOURS AND CONCERT TICKET SALES = Celine wins
TALENT ( songwriting,composing and producing skills)= Mariah wins
CONTRIBUTION & PART IN THE EVOLUTION OF MUSIC= Mariah wins
Mariah is credited as the artist introducing elements of Hip Hop and R&B in Pop culture.Mariah is also credited as the pioneer of Remixes .She’s equally the one that had haul R&B genre on top in USA and popularized this Hip Hop/R&B worldwide.
FORTUNE =Draw
For all the 1990 and 2000 decades combined ,both divas are equal .Mariah was richer for all the 1990’s period, like Celine was richer for all the 2000’s period ( most of Celine major sources of income are situated in the 2000 decade,at the other hand most of Mariah’s come from the 1990’s.Celine had major contracts in the 2000’s with American and Canadian brands,Mariah had major contracts in the 1990’s with Japanese and American brands ).
Conclusion :
Celine wins in DVD sales,tours & concert ticket sales…
Mariah Carey wins in :Album sales, Single sales,voice,talent,popularity,influential power,musical and artistic contribution.
Mariah and Celine are equal in fortune.
Overall,Mariah is better because she wins in most things.
@ POST 278
I am impressed this list is so detailed. This is what I
said. I asked references so I can check it myself. Am I
biased for this ? No. Thanks. Move on.
#DEAD at your comment about Memoirs. This proves you
come here to provoke and be sarcastic or repeat yourself
when you get cornered. :)
@ POST 279
Nope, it is you that put over 10m in Mariah’s Butterfly
while the certifications of its big markets stand at
7.5m. I never did so.
@ POST 280
Number 1s sold 11m and it is out of control thinking
this album sold over 10m copies in Africa, L.America and
rest of Asia. How could these little markets ever seem
equal to sales with the COMBINATION of Us + Europe +
Canada + Japan + Oceania..!
@ POST 281
LMAO ! He put 5m for its sales. It is so detailed. And
the 5m certification is not for sales but for SHIPMENTS.
All artists are awarded for SHIPMENTS not actual sales,
so stop attacking his list and read more carefully what
he says on Us. He mentions data from the BMG music club
(1m). And lmao I am not a Mariah hater at all. You are
stuck in this theory because I don’t admit Mariah is the
best seller. Use your mind before you post.
@ MANDY
Butterfly 16m and A New Day Has Come 11m. Based on their
certifications Butterfly gets 7.5m (Us, Canada, Europe,
Japan, Oceania) and A New Day Has Come 7m…I don’t
think you are right and I don’t think you did your
research at all. Oh and by the way Celine’s vocal range.
is Bb2-E6 , 3.5 octaves. LOL She sings the 3rd,
4th, 5th octave + 2 notes from the 2nd and 3 notes
from the 6th = 3 octaves and 5 notes. Mariah sings 3
lower notes and gets the whole whistle register above
Celine.
You posted a similar reply long ago so POST 15 remains
your reply.
Bruno Mars’ list is right!
According to you:
#s: 5m US, 2m Europe, 300k Canada, 3m Japan and 4 THE LESS in Asia:
= 14.3 million.
21 million ? From where? YOU FAIL
Tell me the exact sales of each nation.
Lucky Luke,I didn’t expect that you
could think that I am right,since I show Mariah sold more records than Celine.Anyway,you would agree with me only if I claimed Celine outsold Mariah.
Well,about Celine’s vocal range
Yes,Mariah got her lower notes and gets the whole whistle register above
Celine.That’s why she has 3 octaves of vocal range over Celine.Mariah is also hyper flexible in her regular notes and belts.So,she has many vocal assets over Celine.
Celine’s voice does not reach 3 octaves, otherwise she would might start to sing a note whistle as can Christina Aguilera.Christina owns 3.5 octaves but people credits her for 4 octaves because she is able to produce a beginning of whistle.Christina is also able to get much lower than Celine.Celine does not really have low notes,and her high scores are far from the whistle notes.Mariah has a lot more than the whistle notes over Celine.Celine’s voice is not flexible enough to even approach the whistle note.THE whistle notes of Mariah start from 3 octaves to 5.2 octaves.( Listen on Emotions in the part ” You make me feel so higher ! )Mariah reaches 6 different levels of whistle register notes.Celine couldn’t reach even the first level of high notes.Whitney could sing the first level of these high notes.Only Christina could reaches the second level.This is not for nothing that Mariah is credited as the only living creature that already out sang the piano.Celine voice is very far from ‘be comparable to the notes of piano.So,Celine’s voice is far to be worth to compare as Mariah’s . Lol ! Let’s be realistic !
Celine’s vocal range doesn’t surpass 2,5 octaves.Whitney and Aretha’s respective voice reach 3 octaves.Christina reaches 3,5 octaves.
@ MANDY
Do you know me ? Do you know if I like Mariah or not ?
Do you know what her music means to me ? Don’t judge me
because I say Mariah doesn’t surpass Celine in sales.
I don’t care about what you think or expect from me. Too
bad I also expect to debate with SMART people that
can post REAL arguments ! Instead of replying to me why
don’t you correct your OBVIOUS MISTAKES ? Why don’t
you accept a LOGIC THOUGHT ? I am sorry but I can’t
accept Mariah’s superiority being based on falsified,
inflated sales such as Butterfly selling over 16m
copies. Where did you get your facts dear Mandy (nice
nickname) ? Oh yeah ! Nowhere, YOU INVENTED THEM ! And
then you indirectly attack me for not swallowing your
so called facts. How do you expect any logic human
being with brains in the head believe that Mariah -
being more talented, more flexible, more popular, better
vocalist, more beautiful, more creative, better songs,
better performer, better musician - has got to face LACK
of public INTEREST and therefore CANCEL some concerts or
sing at half EMPTY arenas ? How come Mariah can’t
sellout shows in her NATIVE Us ? Oh yeah, maybe because
she is not as popular or great as you imagine or want
her to be. You all boast about her single sales. She
had like 7 hit singles this decade WORLDWIDE. Good.
How many singles did she release ? hmm… yeah, 34 !
Just saying..! It is another perception.
Now see how you shouldn’t talk at all. —>
”Mariah got her lower notes and gets the whole whistle register above Celine.That’s why she has 3 octaves of vocal range over Celine”
Check a music theory book immediately ! The whistle
register is in the 7th octave and Celine stops at the
6th (C6/E6), which is quite behind the whistle register.
1 octave difference + some low notes is the difference
between Celine and Mariah. Christina doesn’t get lower
than Celine, she gets higher as she actually reaches the
whistle register (First notes). The lowest note
Christina ever sang is a C3.
”Celine does not really have low notes”
LMAO ! Oh yeah ! She has hit Bb2 and B2 in the songs New
Dawn and Have you ever been in love so you might wanna
try again on this. Fact is Celine gets better in
the 3rd octave than the 2nd. Much better actually but
that’s not our point.
”her high scores are far from the whistle notes”
Who credited Celine of being close to whistle notes ? -.-
Oh yeah, nobody. Next.
”Celine’s voice is not flexible enough to even approach the whistle note”
Flexibility has NOTHING to do with the use of the
whistle register ! Your ”argument” is dumped.
Flexibility is actually the ability of jumping through
registers or music genres. Mariah isn’t flexible
because she uses the whistle register, she is flexible
because she proved herself in many genres and can jump
from chest belting to whistle notes. (just an
example) ! I could see someone attacking Celine for only
doing pop, but attacking her lack of flexibility because
she doesn’t use whistle notes ? Nope, this is invalid.
”Whitney could sing the first level of these high notes”
Nope, she couldn’t. Her vocal range drops dead at C#6.
Whitney never did anything close to whistle. You might
say Whitney is also not flexible, so you will only make
me laugh.
”Mariah reaches 6 different levels of whistle register notes”
Big lie ! The lowest Mariah did in whistle is an F5 note
which is a FIFTH octave note. The rest things you posted
about the piano make no sense. There is no other way to
define the notes than using a piano. Lmao so how come
Celine can’t be ”comparable” to the piano ? Celine’s
vocal range is 3.4. Bb2-E6 (exclamation) The next time
you insist on this, post the exact notes that make her
range 2.5 octaves, since you want to be REALISTIC.
For your info Whitney’s range is 3.3 octaves (A2-C#6)
and Aretha’s is 3.6 octaves (F2-E6) ! Both are far away
from using the whistle register. And don’t fool yourself
that Mariah’s technique and vocal condition are that
great today. Just saying…
youtu.be/RnrQNIt5ao4
ok watch this video! it says that Emancipation of Mimi sold 40 million copies worldwide!
its a documentary on here on the bio channel WATCH!
this is something I found quite amusing:)
youtu.be/BFGmD3Z4hM8
Neither you don’t know me Lucky Luke.You can not say that my arguments come from nowhere.You said that you want to discuss with smart people.But you measure the smartness of people if they agree with you.You said that I should correct my Obvious mistakes.But I think you’re the first to have to correct your own mistakes.You’ve been here over one year,accusing Trish for all that is negative, while you do not able to digest anything that disadvantages Celine, even if it is a obvious fact. Yes, Mariah sells more records than Celine.Her singles alone, give her a very great advantage over Celine in sales.About the sales Butterfly, yes they reach 16 million worldwide.Butterfly sells good and is very popular in Asia and its sales approaching the million sales in countries such chine.etc … I also can not accept your arguments based on the sources and links cause they are not trustable and which are not proved in the reality.You say that I invent my arguments? People invent the links, people invent sources.Where IFPI come from with the huge sales its claim for Celine in Europe when it even doesn’t count them ? This is obvious that IFPI invent these sales.People even bias data on vocal ability, so they use their languages ??techniques to dissuade amateur people in their ears that allow them to listen. The ears are the best instruments able to judge the voice of artists.When we appreciate the vocal prowess and vocal capabilities of an artist through a song,we don’t have the need to use books of technical vocal knowledge.Our natural senses allow us to judge very well. Celine doesn’t have 3 octave of vocal range.Whitney and Christina outsing Celine higher and lower.Whatever you say,that stay a fact that you,me,links,sources,technical books can change.
You are wrong,Celine doesn’t reaches a particular low notes in New Dawn and Have You Ever Been In Love.If you call them Bb2 and B2 you just show your knowledge on vocal terminologies,but you don’t prove Celine reaches 3,4 octaves.Christina usually makes better than that.You are the first to have the need to prove which note make Celine reaches 3,4 octaves.
@ Tane,that just prove link are not to be trusted.
Mandy, you too can’t say Luky Luke should correct his obvious mistakes because everything he said is based on proves - links of the Internet.
Butterfly has sold 16 million?
1. most sales come from US and Asia
5 million US and million in Japan alone - but 16 million ?
sorry …
Since you have come here I haven’t seen any link by mediatraffic, RIAA, IFPI or something like that and you say Luky Luke makes mistakes?
Sorry ! LMFAO!
@ MANDY
”Neither you don’t know me Lucky Luke.You can not say that my arguments come from nowhere.”
Saying you arguments come from nowhere is not an insult. It is a fact. This is your third response and you still don’t show me your sources. Therefore I am free to believe you don’t have any sources.
”you measure the smartness of people if they agree with you”
This is wrong. I measure the smartness of people on their ARGUMENTS, not on what they claim. For instance, you said Celine isn’t flexible. I don’t think this is dumb. But you used a dumb argument to support it : that she isn’t flexible because she doesn’t use the whistle register. This is invalid so…
” think you’re the first to have to correct your own mistakes”
Would you mind being more specific and pointing out these mistakes ?
”You’ve been here over one year,accusing Trish for all that is negative, while you do not able to digest anything that disadvantages Celine.”
First I have pointing out Celine’s disadvantages and I could on and on mentioning them anytime you want. The problem is that I have to defend her against comments : clown, ugly, 2.5 octaves range, sings like Britney,
awards irrelevant, etc etc ! So I never had the chance to really SPEAK or DISCUSS about Celine ! Second, I am accusing Trish for all the RIGHT reasons. Shall I mention them again ? Ok, one last time :
1)200m albums for MC, while sales per country show 160m. I see you are really protective of Trish. What would you say I had posted something like that ?
2)Mariah has number 1s in Jamaica, Fidgi, Heiti.
3)Music Critics have panned Celine’s nasality.
4)Mariah’s Number 1s sold 21m worldwide and Butterfly 18m and Emotions 14m, while their certifications stand at 11m , 7.5m , 6.5m at the world’s biggest/more popular markets. Have you seen me putting 10m on Celine’s albums ? NO !
5)Singles from Emotions sold 7m copies with 2 Us certifications. Could I ever equal 2 Us gold certifications to SEVEN MILLION COPIES ? NO.
6)Celine sold over 145m by 2003 and then Celine hadn’t reach 130m by 2003.
And the list goes on and on.
”Her singles alone, give her a very great advantage over Celine in sales”
Nope. This is what you think. I have been asking everyone to talk about it and you all avoid being specific. You all come here to post biased, generic comments how Mariah beats Celine by far in single sales. Well, she doesn’t. You probably inflate her numbers like you do with her albums. Moreover, top 10 hits or
number 1 hits, don’t always mean many sales. She has like 13 #1s in Japan, but only sold 2.5m there (proved by Tane, her official sites, Sony Bmg Japan) because most of them are airplay singles.
”About the sales Butterfly, yes they reach 16 million worldwide”
Big lie ! How come it sells 7.5m in Us, Europe, Oceania , Japan, Canada and then over 8.5m in Africa, L.America and Asia ? Where did you get it ? Nowhere..! There is no chance these little insignificant markets where people don’t even speak English could ever equal to the world’s most popular markets.
”I also can not accept your arguments based on the sources and links cause they are not trustable and which are not proved in the reality. You say that I invent my arguments? People invent the links, people invent sources. Where IFPI come from with the huge sales its claim for Celine in Europe when it even doesn’t count them ?”
You are highly misled. My arguments are not based on links, but facts. Links are just a bonus because I was asked to bring them, since your friend said she trusted magazines. People don’t invent sources. Lmao. They create them. How could anyone say Billboard is invented ?
What does invented mean ? It is an actual and official source and it aims at collecting sales data. Your
sources are UNKNOWN, therefore they are only part of your imagination until you show them. And sorry, but IFPI is the organization that counts album sales in Europe as a whole. There are way more LOCAL certifications systems for each European market.(Uk, France, Germany) So you can get Celine’s sales by either following IFPI or her sales per market and then adding them. Same results.
”Whatever you say,that stay a fact that you,me,links,sources,technical books can change.”
Lmao ! so your ears know better than music theory ? This is dumb. What is that crap you posted ? I ignore you whole paragraph cause it doesn’t make sense and these are the exact words Trish had used against looloo. Oooooops !
Christina can outsing my ass, not Celine Dion. Whitney outsings Celine, as she used to be a better singer. One
note difference in vocal range doesn’t mean Celine can outsing Whitney. Lmao. And Christina has never gone any lower than Celine, just higher. Whitney has sang in A2
(I Think her last album) and the higher she got was a C#6. Christina’s lower register is flat and everything
she does is pure scream, hitting notes with high larynx.
”You are wrong,Celine doesn’t reaches a particular low notes in New Dawn and Have You Ever Been In Love.If you call them Bb2 and B2 you just show your knowledge on vocal terminologies,but you don’t prove Celine reaches 3,4 octaves”
How convenient, yet childish to attack my knowledge like
that ? I am sure you thought you were smart to post that
crappy argument. Nope. They are B2 and Bb2. Try again. Why don’t you post which notes are the range of Celine since you insist talking about it ? Prove us you know
anything on vocal issues. I have already posted it long ago and showed you the notes, but you deny reality, by posting lies. Bb2 is her lower, E6 is her highest. (Head Voice/ Falsetto actually.)
Since you know about range and notes…In what key does
Celine sing in here ? It must easy for you. You PRETEND to know very well she didn’t sing Bb2 and B2 in the songs I cited, so you might answer this easily.
youtube.com/watch?v=rQIp6TOngM0
What notes does she use here ?
What notes make her range ?
What are her TECHNICAL flaws ?
See I expect these answers from the person that said MC
uses her whistling in 6 different levels, starting from
the 3rd octave and then implied people are not flexible unless they use the whistle register. -.-
I am patient, right ? :)
*waiting*
@ MOFF
This is what TRISH said :
”Nobody give a sh*t about your “technique terminology” People doesn’t need to read a stupidities about your “vocal technique” or your technique terminology and interpret them in favor of their favorite artist.Everyone got ears ! The most objective sense which can make very good and fair judgements !
She said it here on POST 166 :
popdirt.com/continuing-celine-dion-versus-mariah-carey/80710/
This is what MANDY said :
”techniques to dissuade amateur people in their ears that allow them to listen. The ears are the best instruments able to judge the voice of artists.When we appreciate the vocal prowess and vocal capabilities of an artist through a song,we don’t have the need to use books of technical vocal knowledge.Our natural senses allow us to judge very well”
POST 290
Does this ring you any bells MOFF ? LMAO
I just can’t stop laughing !!!
@ tane
I love these videos xD Watch this :
youtube.com/watch?v=dY2wwZ0TGgY&feature=related
Mariah’s singing G5 in AYNAF notes is so mind-blowing !
So much ease and vocal resonance. Check it out. Funny
video. LOL
Hahaha, yes Luky Luke.
MANDY = TRISH = BUTTERFLY = Mariah4ever
and probably she was MEREDITH as well!
Yes it rang my bells :)
TRISH! Get out of here!
MOFF = LUcky Luke = What The What= probably Alexis
You said that I am MANDY.Do you think I could ever say the camel named Celine equals Mariah on albums sales ? Hahahaha ! This is so laughable.Yes, I am Mandy if yoy think so.The only difference between her and me is that I think the clown named Celine couldn’t never equals Mariah on albums sales. About Singles,Mariah outsold Celine by 70 million singles the less
Celine sold 19 -23 million singles worldwide,since 1981 to 2011. Mariah Carey sold over 100 million of singles since her debut in 1990 to 2011.
About vocal capability,Celine is worth to be compare with Cher and Lady Gaga.Britney’s voice is better than Celine’s.Britney never sound nasal,moreover she has a good control of deep and low notes unlike the clown.How dare you compare Christina to this thing called Camel Oldion ? Christina is an artist unlike Celine.Christina is a vocalist,not a rooster.Celine doesn’t come to my ass about vocal range.Just the fact she has a huge nose and a very long chin doesn’t make her a vocalist.Celine is just a puppet That Mottola and Sony Music team drive since over 20 years.Celine is nothing at all,except an ugly and graceless clown.She doesn’t have a normal life like other women.Just several fake certification sales and Awards.Christina proves that she’s a singer,not a robot.Don’t dare blame Christina’s voice beside this robot called Ugline Oldion.
@ MOFF She was definitely Meredith and Momo. Lmao ! She
has a limited vocabulary and makes same mistakes on same
topics, using the same dumped arguments.
@ TRISH You are not in position to talk about singles
after your big parody on Mariah’s singles
from ”Emotions”. You’d rather laugh about these posts
that embarrass you. Even if I post the Celine sells
her albums in the outer space, I will look less dumb
and surreal than you. Stay pressed behind your multiple
nicknames, while AVOIDING talking in SPECIFIC about
Mariah’s singles. As of Celine’s album sales…well
they are not as big as Mariah’s of we consider what you
post about her total sales : 200m. But they are equal
to Mariah’s if we consider what you said about Mariah’s
sales per market : 160m. #OUCH :-D
@ Everyone
I challenge all of you here to post your e-mails
(I can make the start if you want) so we take this
debate on MSN. Who has the guts for a live challenge ?
I have the guts to prove to everyone that I am not MOFF.
Can Mandy and Trish do the same ?
PS : The clown grossed $24m from doing 34 sold out shows.
100.000 people attended. :) It’s not by chance she owns
the BIGGEST contract for the BIGGEST live entertainment
deal and the BIGGEST contract with the BIGGEST label.
Did I mention her contract is also STABLE since 1992 ?
Ooooops. :)
@ POST 298
Your lunacy is ranging on, lmao. You can’t even discuss.
Celine is a much better singer that Porktina Offkeylera.
Celine strains notes above E5, Xtincta strains simple
A4s. LMAO The rest crap are ignored. You have a mental
problem. I feel sorry for you.
POST 300
”Mariah is an actress”
XA XA AX XA XA XA XA XA XA
Mariah shares nothing with Beatles and Elvis, only US
hits. Celine already suprassed all them in tours and
dvds sales.
Nobody said Mariah is not artist. Of course she is !
Lmao…Dear, you are fighting alone !
Bye ! Ciao !
MOFF, BE A MAN FOR YOURSELF STOP HIDING YOU ON LUCKY LUKE’S SHADOW,COWARD ! PIG !
About Celine VS Mariah,there is nothing that Mariah doesn’t beat Celine at 100 % except for the clown and facial expressions.But Mariah is also an actress,not a clown.
In facts,Celine sold most albums and singles than Subo.This is a huge accomplishment for someone,who spent 30 years without never have a song that have a personal meaning,30 years without influence even one artist either wanna be artist or international one.30 Years without never take part on the composing,producing of any song.What kind of artist she is? Taylor Swift already improve herself as composer and songwriter.Celine is a machine create by Mottola to bring back money,she’s everything,except an artist.
As the best selling female artist of all times,Mariah Carey is also an accomplished artist in all means.Mimi is also a sexy and a gorgeous diva.The Voice shares with Beatles,Elvis Presley ,John Lennon,Paul McCartney and Michael Jackson so many records.She’s really what is called an artist.Celine? Hahaha ! Her best lies in Las Vegas show where she clown and amuse people very well ! Her pathetic fanatics doesn’t understand that Musical achievements go over the entertainment on stage.If Celine was so successful as her sick fanatics try to claim she would have some million seller singles at the last decade ( 2000’s) In facts, she has zero million seller singles for a whole decade ! Great ! She would receive Grammy awards ! Zero Grammy for the whole 2000 decade ,Zero number 1 hits on Billboard Chart and other major Chart.She shines only on the AC Charts that is a Chart failed singles that are unable to climb the Hot 100 Singles Chart.All that her pathetic clowns find to defend her is her circus shows that are really successful.Celine is what is called a puppet,a clown,not more.
Ciao everyone !
I love you all ! Kisses !!!!!!
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Lucky Luke said” The clown grossed $24m from doing 34 sold out shows.
100.000 people attended. ” Then ? So what ? It’s normal that she bring back money,that’s why Sony and Mottola had created her.She is a robot ,a clown created to bring money back to Sony and Mottola.She’s not an artist that have any artistic achievements. Clowning in front of 100.000 people on stage is not a musical achievements.What is matter about the musical aspect is what she does while these concerts after her facial clown and comedic moves.100 years later,people will continue to talk about Mariah’s 18 # 1 on Billboard,Her incomparable influence on other artists all over the world,her songs that she create herself that people will continue to inspired to.The future artists that will be continue to influenced by her singing style and her incredible voice.But, no one will talk About Celine’s show that grossed 24 million $ in 34 shows.This is profitable for herself,Mottola and Sony team,not to the people
Yes,I am fighting alone,so don’t reply to my posts.Otherwise,this is you that fight with me !
Trish, you have all rights to be pressed. The past days
I actually tried to be civil and TALK with you, but you
are too mad and rude.
You generic comments will be ignored from now on. Get
enough guts and brain to challenge me in real SPECIFIC
FACTS.
Mariah shares with Elvis Presley,Michael Jackson,Beatles :
- Most Number 1 Singles on The Billboard Hot 100 Single
- Most Cumulated Weeks at the Number 1 on Billboard Hot 100
- Most Number 1 Songs Penned
- Most Number 1 songs produced
- Huge Influence On other artists
- Mark on Pop music
- Best selling artist overall for a entire decade !
You hide yourself behind Lucky Luke to provoke me.You don’t have guts enough to confront me directly.I have pity on you.I should ignore you completely in the future.
I tried so many times to be civil with you,but you always turn it in a bad issue,this is useless.You turn everything on your side.How could I discuss with someone that states Celine’s 1990 albums surpass Mariah? Then said every musical institutions agree with him? How could I have a normal discussion with someone that said Celine’s singles almost equals Mariah’s ? If I was born only the last week,I could swallow these.
By the way,What do you call “real SPECIFIC FACTS” ?
Clowning ? No, she sings with a 31 musicianns orchestra.
Her songs are ballads. No place for being funny. As
Jean Paul Gauttier said her show is an example of
elegance. We talk about success so it is so relevant.
And yeah MC will be remembered for all these. You act
like I said Mariah is a flop and that she will not be
remembered.
This is why I say you fight alone. You post IRRELEVANT
comments on things NOBODY ever doubted or questioned.
And do you know why you do it ? Because you are stuck
that I hate Mariah. Nice theory on what MC shares with
these legends by the way. She is a bigger vocal
influence than all these.
I tried so many times to be civil with Lucky Luke,but you always turn it in a bad issue,this is useless.You turn everything on your side.How could I discuss with someone that states Celine’s 1990 albums surpass Mariah? Then said every musical institutions agree with him? How could I have a normal discussion with someone that said Celine’s singles almost equals Mariah’s ? If I was born only the last week,I could swallow these.
- When I talked about Mariah’s impressive Asian sales,Lucky Luke said I know nothing on Asian sales. When I said Mariah’s Asian sales doesn’t counted,so they are not known.He said they are counted and known,but when he talk about the data of an album he just able to givtely how many Emotions albums sold in whole Asia ? If you can’t answer clearly,that will prove you lied when you claimed Mariah’s sales in Asia were clear !
About Singles,I was the first to question this pig named Moff than you about Celine and Mariah’s singles.Just answer to these simple questions if you dare:
- How many Singles Celine and Mariah has sold respectively at the 1990’s ?
-How Many Singles Celine and Mariah has sold respectively at the 2000’s ?
Then give a detailed Celine and Mariah discography albums sales since their debut to 2011.Now,I am curious to see what you will put for their respective albums sales.
”You hide yourself behind Lucky Luke to provoke me.You don’t have guts enough to confront me directly.I have pity on you.”
I actually asked everyone here to share your E-mail,
so how come I hide ? And by the way you have never been
civil or polite. You even attack artists since June 2010
here.
”How could I discuss with someone that states Celine’s 1990 albums surpass Mariah?”
I NEVER said that. I have been REPEATING how Mariah
deserved her 2000 award above Celine, as she (Mariah)
was the best seller of the 90s. Your accusation is
invalid.
”Then said every musical institutions agree with him?”
It is TRUE that Mariah’s labels, sites, biographies and
announcements say she sold over 200m and NOT 300m ! So
how come you accuse me of this ? Invalid again.
”How could I have a normal discussion with someone that said Celine’s singles almost equals Mariah’s ?”
”By the way,What do you call “real SPECIFIC FACTS” ?
I mean that we should talk about their singles in
SPECIFIC - by album - and not post GENERIC comments like
you do. How do you dare attacking me when you said that
the singles from Emotions sold over 7m copies worldwide
while getting only 2 Us gold certifications ? I have
been asking Mandy as well to discuss on singles in
specific and she avoids it. You do it too. So don’t
even think again of attacking me.
To put is simple : I am here to DISCUSS everything with
normal people, that don’t use street vocabulary.
Finally, I NEVER tried to provoke you. I would do so
by insulting Mariah and giving her names and denying
all her accomplishments, but I don’t ! So don’t tell me
that I provoke you. You are the one spiting poison here.
”You hide yourself behind Lucky Luke to provoke me.You don’t have guts enough to confront me directly.I have pity on you.”
I address it to Moff ,not to you !
Lucky Luke,just post Celine and Mariah’s respective albums discography sales.Then their respective 25 best seller singles .
Then,we could restart the discussion about their respective sales if you want.
”When I talked about Mariah’s impressive Asian sales,Lucky Luke said I know nothing on Asian sales.”
No ! YOU admitted you didn’t know her Asian sales ! You
said she sold 40m there and then changed it to 50m and
sometimes posted 60m as well ! I NEVER used continental
Asia as an argument to my posts. YOU ARE the one to use
it ALL THE TIME posting HUGE sales, so the proof is on
your side.
”He said they are counted and known.” Yeap. And Tane
brought a link but you called it biased. So how am I
supposed to persuade you on this ? You even deny MC sold
18m in Japan, which is an established fact, so how do
you demand sales for the rest unknown markets ? Even if I
bring a link, you will call it biased. Simple. I have no
choice because you don’t leave a choice. By the way, I
never implied LARGE album sales for Celine in Asia to
boost her total sales, so I don’t get your questions.
I speak on the solid certifications coming from the big
/popular/ western markets and then put some logic sales
coming from C.Asia, L.America and Africa ALWAYS
being careful to PROPORTIONS. Do you know this word ?
I don’t think so…
YOU POSTED 18m for Butterfly , while 7.5m come from Us,
Canada, Europe, Oceania, Japan ! = 10.5m from the rest
markets. I NEVER posted crazy figures like these for any
Celine or Mariah album, cause I am very strict and
careful. On your single sales questions, I already
replied many times. You know what I believe and you know
I am ready for a SPECIFIC discussion.
@ POST 312
This is what I want to avoid ! If I post 25 singles
for Celine and 25 singles for Mariah and then their
album sales, it is going to be a MESS ! You will
reply - sarcastic or rude , deny things - bring your
estimations and we will get nowhere. This is why
I have been saying the past month to bring sales facts
for each album in specific, so we are careful to the
proportions and certifications. Let’s start with MC
and her singles and then move to Celine. You choose.
I repeat : not all together, cause it will be a hot mess
like usually, with huge posts.
Let’s start with Celine’s Albums,then Mariah’s.After that,we will discuss about their respective Singles.
Ok Lucky Luke,Let’s begin with Celine’s Albums.Then we will do it about Mariah’s.
Lucky Luke,just post Celine’s albums sales.Then,we will discuss about it. I await them.
We will consider singles after than we already state with the albums question.
must read this link! according to forbes Celine Dion is worth 400 million dollars and has sold over 140 million albums!
CelebrityNetWorth/celinedion.org
According to Sony, Celine received the Diamond Award for sales of 175 million albums in 2004. One year after Mariah Carey.
From that day to 2011, Celine has released further 7 albums/ DVDS.
A new day .. live in Las Vegas: 1.2 million
Miracle: 2.6 million
On ne change pas: 1.2 million
D’elles: 800.000
Taking Chances: 3.5 million
My love: 2.1 million
Taking Chances The Concert: 0.5 million.
Album sales total: 186.8 million.
If we go on and don’t call the Diamond Award biased and totally unbelievable we can do the same for Mariah.
She received the Award in 2003 for sales of 150 million albums sold.
Since that day until now she has released 5 albums.
(“Playlist” The very best of MC has never charted)
The Emancipation of Mimi. 12 million
E=MC2: almost 3 million
Memoirs: 1.5 million
Merry Christmas 2 u: 0.8 million
The ballads: 0.5 million
Album sales in total: 167.8 million.
You had posted 1.5m for her early 80s stuff which is
accurate, so we move on. + 1.5m from her french compilations. Here :
celinedioncharts.com/byalbum.htm
Anyway, these are irrelevant.
1) Unison : 1.3m in Us according to Nielsen Soundscan and
Billboard + 700k Canada. The certifications are 1xP Us
and 7xP Canada. In France it went Gold, meaning it
shipped 150k. So we get 2.1m from its certifications.
So 3m in total. (Adding 900k)
2) Dion Chante Plamondon : 200k In Canada, 600k in France
and 100k+ in Us = 900k. Therefore it’s total can’t be
more than 1.5m worldwide. You said 2m for this album, but
I think it sold less. 500k is a big difference for a
French album by the way.
3) Celine Dion = 5m , we already agreed on this.
4) The Colour Of My Love = 6xP Us, 4xP Europe ,1xD Cnd, 500k Oceania ,1m Japan = 12m from the big markets
(Actually sold 1.8m in Canada but there is no chance to
ever believe this so I don’t calculate that). Total
sales 17m.
5) A L’Olympia = 1xP Europe, 1xP Canada = 1.1m from
its certifications. I don’t add much sales to it, because
it was not released in Us, Uk, Australia. So it sold 1.5m the very most.
6) D’Eux = 8xP Europe ,700k Canada ,300k Us (Billboard, Nielsen Soundscan) , Gold in N.Zeland = 9.1m from the certifications. So 10m in total. (I add 900k and not more because it is a french album so the proportion of its sales must be lower than the proportion of an English album)
7) Falling Into You = 32m ,you agree on this.
8) Live A Paris = 2xP Europe, 2xP Canada = 2.2m. So I
put a total for this album at 2.5m.
9) Let’s Talk About Love = 32m ,her best seller.
10) S’il Suffisait D’aimer = 2xP Europe, 4xP Canada, =
2.4m + #7 Twaiwan, #37 Japan and so on. All the sources I’ve checked mention 4m.
11) These Are Special Times : 5xP Us, 1xP Europe, 1xD Canada, 500k Japan (2xP) and 150k Australia which shows
almost 8m sales. Therefore its total stands at 12m. (Adding 4m - take note)
12) Au Coeur Du Stade = 600k France (2xP) ,50k Canada (Gold), Belgium 60k (1xP), Switzerland 60k (1xP) = 770k.
So its total sales stand at 1m.
13)All The Way = 16m+ from the big markets. 22.5m in total. All its sales are very well calculated here :
celinedioncharts.com/byalbum.htm
14) Collectors Series Volume 1 : 2.5m Gold in Us, Canada,
Mexico, France, Germany, Netherlands, Portugal, Switzerland, Japan, N.Zealand.
15) A New Day Has Come : 11m, we agree on this
16) One Heart : 2xP Us, 1xP Europe, 1xP Australia, 1xP N.Zealand ,3xP Canada = 3.4m. Total sales 6m
17) 1 Fille & 4 Types : 1.5m
18) A New Day…Live In Las Vegas : Gold Us (500k). Charted everywhere worldwide : 1.5m
19) Miracle : Us (1xP) ,Gold in Uk, France, Italy,
Switzerland, Belgium. = 1.5m so its worldwide sales stand at 2.5m worldwide. It was not a strong seller.
20) On Ne Change Pas : 2xP France (600k+) ,3xP Canada (300k), 1xP Belgium (60k), 1xGold Switzerland (30k) = 1m copies based on its certifications. So 1.5m the most worldwide. This was actually the best selling french compilation album of 2005.
21) D’Elles : 2xP Canada (200k), 1xP France (300k) , 1xGold in Belgium, Russia, Switzerland. Around 600k from the certifications and 1m worldwide.
22) Taking Chances : 1xP Us, 1m Europe, 4xP Canada, 1xP Australia, 1xGold (150k) Japan, 2xP S.Africa (150k). = 2.8m from the certifications, so I put 3.5m in total.
23) My Love : 2xP Canada, 1xP UK (300k), Ireland , Belgium. + 450k in Us based on Billboard. + 200k sold in Japan (Complete Best). My Love was released worldwide
exept for Japan, cause Sony Bmg released C.B. there instead in early 2008. Combined sales reach 2.5m. (I add around 600k) By the way, the album is still charting on UK charts and Ireland. In UK it reached 590k as of July 2011. Little more and will be certified 2xP there.
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TAKE NOTE TO THESE :
- For awards and announcements other projects are also
taken into account. For instance albums such as ”Divas Live 98” or some Soundtracks. I am just explaining how they think. I don’t credit Celine for those sales.
- For some Us sales I used Billboard, RIAA and Nielsen Soundscan. All 3 sources agree to everything. Here is some detailed data on Celine by Billboard :
billboard.com/column/chartbeat/ask-billboard-celine-dion-celebrates-chart-1004134468.story#/column/chartbeat/ask-billboard-celine-dion-celebrates-chart-1004134468.story
If you check it also mentions some overshipped albums. So
when I talked about Mariah’s overshipments I didn’t mean to insult her like you thought I did !
- I posted comments based on the big/popular markets and the sales I added were ranging from a few copies (like 200k) to 6m the most (for All The Way). So these STRICT
proportions and limits will be used on Mariah’s albums as well.
- I can post links showing her certifications from IFPI
and RIAA but I won’t do that cause I know the answer I am gonna get. xD
- Wikipedia is the only site where Falling Into You
surpassed LTAL. It gives 32m+ to FIY and 31m+ to LTAL. LTAL is her best seller though : Its singles sold more, the tour was more successful, the album was much more anticipated and Sony Bmg had offers of like 11m before its release, it is also ahead of FIY in mediatraffic etc. + It got more awards.
- Be REALLY careful and POLITE on what you’re gonna post.
OK,Lucky Luke.I agree with almost every sales you give here for Celine’s albums.Except for her 1980’s french compilations.I don’t think they reach 1,5 million sales,but about 500.000 - 800.000 units.
Then 1.5m for her early 80s stuff which is
accurate,I agree with it.But,the compilations of these french releases doesn’t reach 1,5 million.
I think All The Way doesn’t reach 22 million,but 20 million.But,move on this.
So,I admit that you are right in these sales that you post for Celine’s albums.But,there is another aspect that you must consider,because this is an important aspect.
As you said “I posted comments based on the big/popular markets and the sales I added were ranging from a few copies (like 200k) to 6m the most (for All The Way). So these STRICT
proportions and limits will be used on Mariah’s albums as well.” You are mainly right on this,but let’s don’t forget that Mariah and Celine are not equals in sales in the next bigger music market that is Asia.Even if their respective sales there are not totally known,because most of Asian countries doesn’t have Chart sales and Certifications sales system like in western countries.But we can’t ignore them and should credit Mariah’s sales as higher than Celine in that continent that is Asia.Mariah Carey is the most successful western artist overall in Asia.So,the proportions and limits must advantage Mariah over Celine in the Asia continent.This is what I have to say.
As we are both ok on Celine’s albums.Now,we can turn on Mariah’s albums sales.
Yeah, I forgot to mention this. I am going to be more
lenient with MC with these proportions, because she is
more popular and successful in Asia. I am going to
search for more info on Celine’s compilations to finish
with it and then more info on All The Way. I will also
search some Asian facts on MC so we don’t exaggerate
(in a negative or positive way). Do the same and we move
on to Mariah. I will post more details on Celine’s
albums tomorrow. (Compilation and All The Way)
01.Les Premiers Annees (1993) : 1xGold in France : 150k
02.Gold Volume 1 (1995) : 2xGold in France : 300k
03.Gold Volume 2 (1995) : 1xGold in France : 150k
That’s All I know about these. None of her sites has more sales facts. The only estimations exist in Wikipedia, so I skip it.
About All The Way, Billboard (the link I gave) says
it sold almost 8m in Us, being 7xP. + The album
re-charted in 2007 in Uk, Ireland, Japan and Us.
That’s about it.
Now on Mariah’s proportions. The biggest Asian markets
(as far as I know) are :
1) Japan : 200k=Platinum, 100k=Gold
2) China : 100k=Platinum, 50k=Gold
3) S.Korea : 100k=Platinum, 50k=Gold (Before 2002) /
30k=Platinum ,15k=Gold (Till 2006),
20K=Platinum ,10k=Gold (Till 2008) ,15k=Platinum,
8k=Gold (Since 2008 till now)
4) Philippines : 40k=Platinum, 20k=Gold (Before 2002),
30k=Platinum, 15k=Gold
5) Hong Kong : 20k=Platinum, 10k=Gold
6) Taiwan : 50k=Platinum, 25k=Gold
7) Singapore : 15k=Platinum, 7.5k=Gold
I think the rest markets don’t even have a certification
system. At least, I ignore it. Do your search on continental Asian markets and we move on to MC. I just noticed that Germany (500k=Platinum) and UK (300k=Platinum) > these Asian markets.
What matters here is their sales in the countries,not the level of certification on these countries.Otherwise,we will be mistaken.For example,Germany worth more on certifications than UK,France and Japan.But in facts,the sales of Mariah in these places are more important in UK,France ,etc…than in Germany. What matters here is their sales in the countries,not the level of certifications in those And Mariah sales in Japan,S.Korea,China,Taiwan, are much more significant than her sales in Germany that have highest level of certification than these countries.See ?For example,South Korea platinum album worth 100 k,Germany’s worth 500 k,nevertheless Mariah and Whitney have million selling albums in S.Korea ,but none of them have million selling album in Germany. And Mariah’s sales in the relatively smallest Asian places (Philippines, Hong Kong,Singapore,etc…)are generally equal or very close to her German sales. The level of certification doesn’t indicate the significance of sales,so we can’t base our estimation on it.
As for the rest of Asian countries that doesn’t have certification system, that doesn’t mean there is no sales in these places.For example by 1994 Music Box was the best selling album in Malaysia,Thailand,etc…
Besides there is many European micro markets that have certification system,however for sales as insignificant as the ones in the Asian weak markets ( but large countries relatively to these European places ).
Besides there is so many European micro markets that have certification system,however for sales as insignificant as the ones in the Asian weak markets ( but large countries relatively to these European places )that have no certification system
Also Celine’s sales are more important in UK & France than in Germany that surpass both on certification level
Mariah sold more in Germany than in Hong Kong according to her sites. Anyway, in order to be 100% fair and not get missed in proportions, we can post her album sales without counting Asia and after we are done we add 50m (from Asia) to the rest of her sales. You say 50m for Asia, I say 40m but I agree to put 50m in her total sales there.
OK,that’s right
These are her sales outside Asia.
01.MARIAH CAREY : 9xP Us, 1m Eur, 7xP Canada, 2xP
Australia, 4xP N.Zealand = 9m + 1m + 700k + 150k + 40k =
11m.
02.EMOTIONS : 4xP Us, 4xP Canada, 1m Eur, 1xP Australia,
1xP N.Zealand = 4m + 400k + 1m + 80k = 4.5m
03.MTV UNPLUGGED : 3xP Us, 3xP Canada, 1xP Australia,
2xP N.Zealand = 3m + 300k + 90k + 500k (Europe) = 4m.
04.MUSIC BOX : 10xP Us, 7xP Canada , 7xP Europe,
1m Australia, 5xP N.Zealand = 10m + 700k + 7m + 1m + 50k
= 19m
05.MERRY CHRISTMAS : 5xP Us, 1xP Canada, 1xP Europe, 4xP
Australia, 2xP N.Zealand = 5m + 1m + 1m + 300k = 7.5m.
06.DAYDREAM : 10xP Us, 7xP Canada, 3xP Europe, 5xP
Australia, 5xP N.Zealand = 10m + 700k + 3m + 300k = 14m.
07.BUTTERFLY : 5xP Us, 2xP Canada, 1xP Europe,
2xAustralia, N.Zealand 1xP = 5m + 200k + 1m + 150k = 6.5m.
08.NUMBERS 1S : 5xP Us, 3xP Canada, 2xP Europe, 1xP
Australia, 2xP N.Zealand = 5m + 300k + 2m + 100k = 7.5m.
09.RAINBOW : 3xP Us, 2xP Canada, 1m Europe, Gold
Australia and 1xP N.Zealand = 3m + 200k + 1m + 50k = 4.5m.
10.GLITTER : 1xP Us, 1xGold France = 1.5m.
11.GREATEST HITS : 1xP Us ,1xP Uk, 1xGold France, 1xGold
Australia, 1xP N.Zealand = 1m + 300k + 150k + 50k = 1.5m
12.CHARMBRACELET : 1xP Us , Gold in Canada, France, Uk,
Switzerland = 1m + 50k + 150k + 150k + 30k = 1.5m.
13.THE REMIXIES : 500k. (250k from Us based on Nielsen
Soundscan)
14.THE EMANCIPATION OF MIMI : 6xP Us, 1xP Europe, 3xP
Canada, 1xP Australia, 1xP N.Zealand = 6m + 1m + 300k
+ 80k = 6.5m.
15.E=MC2 = 1xP Us, 1xP Canada, 1xGold Uk, 1xGold
Australia = 1m + 100k + 150k + 35k = 1.5m (cause its
actual Us sales stand at 1.3m according to Nielsen
Soundscan)… So 2m
16.THE BALLADS : Gold Ireland, so around 200k.
17.MEMOIRS OF AN IMPERFECT ANGEL : 1xGold Us, 1xSylver
Uk = 500k + 100k = 600k.
18.MERRY CHRISTMAS TO YOU = 1xGold Us = 500k, so 600k.
Therefore Mariah sold in Us, Europe, Oceania and Canada
a total of 95m albums based on her certifications. Add
the 50m of Asia to get 145m.
More detailed…Mariah gets 65m Us, 20m Europe, 3.8m
Canada, 3.7m Oceania = Almost 95m again.
Her actual sales stand at 68m, 4m, 4m and 28m
respectively so her total is 104m from these.
Anyway, on MC we are left with L.America and Africa
so bring you own estimations on these. I am too tired
after all those figures and estimations and proportions.
For me she sold 104m + 40m Asia + 15m Africa and
S.America = 160m+. For you she logically gets 170m+
cause you add 10m more to Asia and maybe a total 175m if
you add 20m for Africa and L.America. Ouf !
Typing mistake in the beginning :
*outside Asia, Africa and L.America.
MARIAH HAS SOLD MORE, BY 2004 YOU SAY CELINE SOLD 175 MILLION ALBUMS BUT NO THAT’S WRONG IT WAS 175 MILLION RECORDS NOT ALBUMS, AND PLUS HOW IS IT POSSIBLE FOR CELINE DION TO REACH 230 MILLION RECORDS SINCE 2004? CELINE DION HAS SOLD 145 MILLION ALBUMS AND 50 TO 60 MILLION SINGLES ACCORDING TO TRISH AND TANE AND FORBES SO THEREFORE CELINE DION HAS SOLD 200 MILLION RECORDS. MARIAH HAS SOLD MORE THAN HER!
First of all.Mariah sold 27,5 m albums in Europe,not 20m unlike what Lucky Luke posts.
Second, Mariah Canadian sales surpasses 3,5 m in Canada,they reach around 5 m there ( Lucky used to claim so in his previous posts ).
Fourth,Mariah sales in Oceania reach 4 m in Oceania ( she sold more everywhere in Oceania than Celine there but Australia ,for which Celine may outsold her very slightly ).Just Music Box has sold 1,1m in Australia ( 14x platinum there ).
Moreover,like Lucky Luke said,there is many Asian countries that have no certification system,so that these sales are not counted when we take into account certified sales only.
At the other hand,almost every insignificant European micro markets have certification system .So all these small sales are also counted for Celine while Mariah’s ( Asian ones ) are neglected.All this disadvantage Mariah’s total sales next to Celine’s.
So, For Mariah total sales we have :
USA 67 m
Asia 50m
Europe 27,5m
Latin America 10m
Canada 5m
Africa 5m
Oceania 4m
global sales 168 m
When we use this same method to calculate Celine total album sales ( sales per continents ),we will see that her total sales
Celine sales :
Europe 55m
US 50 m
Asia 17 m
Canada 15 m
Latin America 10m
Africa 7m
Oceania 5m
global sales = 159 m
But in accordance with Lucky Luke logic,Celine would have 20 m + albums sold in Asia , 60 m in Europe and maybe more sales in USA too.
@ ATHENA -.- I see you blindly trust Forbes on Celine’s
album sales. Good. Maybe you should also check what
Mariah’s management team, labels and her fan base claim
for MC. You will be surprised.
@ TRISH
20m in Europe is her certifications and then I said 28m
for Europe. See again. 20m are her certifications and
28m her actual sales. In Canada you are right, she gets
5m if we make her sales more round. Her certifications
stand at 4.1m so her actual sales stand at 5m. Ok.
The only markets in Oceania are Australia and N.Zealand
and we have clear certifications there for both of them.
I don’t think Mariah’s sales in Asia are neglected at
all as we put 50m albums for her despite the fact that
we have no real references or sources ! All we know is
that Mariah is the best seller there (FACT) and that her
1993-1995 + 1998 releases became huge sellers in micro
markets. (FACT) We don’t have that kind of info for
Butterfly or Rainbow or Emotions. We just assume they
sold well because of her other albums’ success or
because they sold well in Japan.
@ POST 333
Yeah, exactly. Mariah gets 8m over her European
certifications, so its normal Celine gets a higher
proportion there of sales of 12m. (Mariah 20m from
certifications goes to 28m of actual sales, Celine 48m
certifications goes to 60m for actual sales). In Us
Mariah gets 3m more (65m to 68m), so Celine gets 2m more
(52m from certifications goes to 54m total Us sales).
Even if we talk on CERTIFICATIONS ALONE and not actual
sales we get :
Celine Dion :
52m Us
48m Europe
12m Canada
2.9m Oceania : N.Zealand 37xP , 5xG , Australia :
34xP , 1xGold = 500k + 37.5k + 2.380.000
+ 35k = 2.9m in Oceania strictly on certifications.
and
Mariah Carey
65m Us
20m Europe
3.9m Canada
2.5m Oceania : N.Zealand : 26xP + 1xGold = 400k ,
Australia : 30xP + 3xGold = 2.1m 390k + 7.5k + 2.1m +
210k = 2.7m in Oceania strictly on
certifications.
About Asia their labels have released some sales facts
there but we obviously don’t take that into account.
Typing mistake again : in my final list I meant 4.1m in
Canada and 2.7m in Oceania for MC based on certifications
alone. xD
JUST LIKE CELINE DION LABELS POINTS OUT SHES ONLY SOLD 200 MILLION RECORDS, MARIAH CAREY HAS SOLD 220 TO 225 MILLION RECORDS IN ACCORDANCE TO FORBES TRISH AND TANE(WELL TRISH CLAIMS 250)
MARIAH - 160 TO 165 MILLION ALBUMS
60 TO 65 MILLION SINGLES
THESE ARE RIGHT DARLINGS!
200m was in 2007 for Celine (April 2007 actually)
by her label and Mariah’s labels show 200m records as of
2011. Her sites say so as well and Billboard announcement
confirmed it.
And by the way I am the one to say since August 2010
that Mariah sells 160m albums+ and around 60m singles.
So thank you !
OK Lucky Luke,according to everything that are claimed here,what are the respective total sales of Celine and Mariah’s respective albums ?
Lucky Luke just don’t reply to Athena’s posts like I didn’t reply to what said Moff in the post # 318.No matter what say a Mariah or a Celine fan.Let’s concentrate us in our actual discussion,otherwise we could fall in a new fight together again by replying to each new post by a Celine or a Mariah fan.
Well,Lucky Luke.Let’s state about Celine and Mariah’s total albums sales worldwide.Who has sold more according to what are said here ?
Look, Trish. We are tired of this debate. Fact. All I
wanted to do the past months was making you accept that
Mariah doesn’t sell 200m albums and 100m singles. This
is what kept me here. Not proving Celine’s superiority.
I don’t mean to brainwash anyone here to accept my
sources and my process of thought and my proportions. In
my very first reply here (POST 1), I told you :
”Like I said I am done debating,but you will ALWAYS be called out on the lies and mistakes you keep posting. So you will NEVER feel relief,unless you stop posting lies.”
In other words I didn’t mind on what you said about
Celine’s sales. Mariah’s sales was my issue. Now,
I am going to keep my word, cause you seem to accept
Mariah sold around 170m (or 180m, I don’t know what you
think) but definitely not as much as you said (over
200m). So you are free from me. Oh, and I am not a Mariah
hater at all ! Quite the opposite actually.
OK,I admit Mariah’s sales doesn’t really reach 200 million albums nor 100 million singles,however I am convinced that her album sales reach at least 175 million and her single sales 75 million.
Lady Gaga and Rihanna are Illuminati queens !
OK I looked up the net worths..
Mariah Carey fortune 750 million.
Celine Dion 650.. million
so it is clear to me whoever has more money sold more albums I love both but lets be for real MC is just BETTER Celine… if she did sell more albums than Mariah which I highly doubt because of the money..it is so slight till it doesn’t have a impact and these sites be aggregating all of their sells because Mariah sold over 200 million Celine sold over 200 million and Madonna sold 275 million. I’m sorry guys but Madonna just can’t sing so I don’t know why she sold more albums and it richer than Mariah with…hate to say it 1.1 billion dollars but it is what it is and I know in my heart MC rules.
So that’s the end of it whoever is richer obviously sold more albums no more debating..the END of this Mariah rules and there will NEVER be anyone with a voice quite like the one she had yes it is gone but I still love all of her music I still love her songs she is just a wonderful person in my eyes I love her so much her voice is so beautiful I literally cry hearing it…she is such an amazing person TRULY the best
Just curious…What list shows these net worth figures ?
I highly doubt Mariah and Celine know their respective
fortunes, lol.
As of Mariah’s voice, she still has her technique,
which is the most important asset of all. She
is in a bad vocal condition, but she will hopefully be
back after she takes a good rest. Maybe she starts
taking vocal lessons again, cause I think she gave up
on them in 1998 or 1999.
Lucky Luke,about Mariah’s voice,of course she has her technique as every other singers.But her voice is better not just because of her technique.Mariah has an exceptional voice without even include the technical question.She is the best Pop vocalist ever.Mariah has an unique voice + an unique singing technique,that’s why she’s unreachable.( please everyone, I don’t want to upset anyone,I just support what said Lily about Mariah’s voice.So,take it easy ).
Well,Mariah’s voice is better than any other female voice in Pop music by all means,this is what is matter…Lol !
So,Lily is right when he said that it will never be anyone with a voice like Mariah’s.
@ TRISH
-.- Lily said Mariah’s voice is GONE ! So, there is
nothing to support here.
What I said about vocal CONDITION is actually in favor
of MC, as she is excused to be tired.
For your info, 90% of pop/rnb singers LACK proper
technique. You mix technique with singing STYLE. All
artists have their own style, but not all of them use
proper technique. (Right placement, no strain, good
breath support, proper mixing in the upper belts etc)
A Beautiful voice + Technique makes the vocalists ! So
nobody can be credited as a vocalist without including
the technique questions. Like Maria Callas said
”a singer without technique is like a wild animal.”
Rihanna has a beautiful, sweet tone but she could never
be considered a vocalist, cause she lacks proper
technique. She can’t even stay on tune.
Anyway, I didn’t say or imply anything bad on MC anyway.
I actually replied to what Lily said ”her voice is
gone”, cause I don’t think it is gone. You took my
comment the wrong way AGAIN.
If you want to get any info on technique etc ask me and
I explain you.
Oh ! And to make it clear : I actually agree there will
never be another MC.
In Mariah’s voice is not in a bad condition ! Her voice is in a very good condition and she proved it by her last Christmas album,in by many tracks from her previous album Memoirs.Also by many recent live performances.
You don’t know what I mean by saying ”vocal condition”
so you shouldn’t reply. You obviously think I imply
Mariah can’t sing. I think you didn’t read POST 347. My
reply to Lily was to prove that Mariah’s voice isn’t
gone, cause that’s what Lily said.
I didn’t say anything bad for Mariah, so stop replying
to my posts !!! I am defending her here !!! You are
annoying.
OK Lucky Luke,I agree with you.
@Chabine:The Illuminati question is very complex,but This debate is about Celine Dion and Mariah Carey,not about Lady Gaga and Rihanna.
Finally ! Thanks TRISH :-)
here’s a link for richest female singers, but I kind of doubt its true but hey I’m going to do more research:)
mademan.com › Celebs › Singers
but this one says she has a net worth of 260 million?? you can tell this ones wrong!
celebritynetworth.com/richest…/singers/celine-dion-net-worth/
To All MARIAH CAREY’S FANS MARIAH CANT SING ANYMORE..
Oh My Goodness Cant You all See Most Music Nowadays means Party, Turmoil, sex, like Mariah /Carey /.songs Touch My Body A Fat Body lots of Cholesterol…Only Celine Dion Still A Living Legend
If Only Micheal Jackson & Elvis Were Alive Im 100% Sure They Choose Celine for A duet . Than Mariah Always Screaming,Whistling,& shouting Just to have voice goes out From her big mouth……Like A cat screaming on a rooftop…
@ Stephen:
You are just a delusional Mariah hater.Mariah still the best vocalist ever ! Just bring facts to support your crap if you dare.Listen to her latest Christmas Album.Her new duet with Tony Bennett. About live performances.Mariah’ special Christmas at ABC. Her live performances of O Come All Ye Faithful and One Child at Washington DC.I Want To Know What Love Is,X-Factor in Italia,etc… Every facts deny your lies.
Nobody can sing like Mariah even in 2011.Keep dreaming !
About Mariah’s body that you try to degrade, you just fail.Mariah is still one of the most beautiful artist ever !
Celine skinny body don’t make her a beautiful woman. Although Mariah is 41,she’s in the league of youngest beautiful young singers as Beyonce,Rihanna,etc… Celine is in the league of oldness divas Barbra Streisand,Tina Turner,etc…
Mariah is very beautiful and sexy,your hatred can’t change it.Some videos like Touch My Body,Obsessed,I Want To Know What Love is,etc… deny you
Joan Collins says currently that at 41,Mariah is still beautiful after giving birth to her twins.She also said Mariah is dressing sexy as Beyonce and Rihanna. You fail !
“Only Celine is a living legend” Yes,you would be right,if the whole world was resume at Las Vegas.Las Vegas is not even a State.Sorry,your craps are any base.Mariah rules !
@TRISH
I’m sorry, but every time I see Mariah, I see porn. She’s 41 years old and she acts like that??? “Your hatred can’t change it.” And your hatred towards Celine can’t and won’t change the opinions of these Celiniacs, so I don’t know what you’re doing here, saying she looks old and ugly and that she could never compete with Mariah. That’s your opinion, out of billions of opinions out there. You have got to stop telling people to bring their facts here, when you can’t give one simple one. Do you think you’re right, saying she’s the biggest selling female artist of all time? Do you think you’re right, saying she’s the best singer of all time? NO! With no proof whats so ever, you cant say she is the biggest selling female artist of all time. She’s the best selling of all time, but that’s a totally different thing. Are you telling me you’re SO arrogant, that there’s not even a 1% chance, that you could be wrong?? There have been many great singers, and saying Mariah is the best singer, is one measly little opinion, and will not affect the number albums or fans Celine has. Las Vegas chose CELINE, to save them from the bad economy. Not Cher, not Shania, but CELINE. She has a Colosseum built for her. Her new show has already made over 20 million dollars. Joan Collins is just one person, and doesn’t mean anything. If you’re going to use other people’s opinions to make your idol sound the best, I’ll do the same. David Foster, said Celine is the best singer out there. Tony Mottola said Celine was the best singer. Don’t let your fantasies become your reality. And by the way, replying to me will be a total waste, since I’m done with you. Have a good night!
Celine is Class plain & simple She is elegant Classy .yet hip & funny She touches your heart .makes you feel what she is singing Sings the way we all wish we could . She isn’t afraid to let the public see her with out makeup or see a scope down her nose into her throat . Mariah is all about her Sexual image , yes she sings good I cant stand to watch her . after her CD Music Box she changed it all became about the Sex Kitten , I hope that having the Twins(not her Boobs) calms her down . Celine will ALWAYS be my #1 Singer I don’t care who sold the most I care how they make me feel . when they sing I know when it comes to the high notes its Celine who gives me goosebumps .. I have seen Celine in Concert 4 times Up close I gave her a rose @->-> NO lip singing .Pure Celine
@…Do you want to know what I see when I see Celine? Honestly,I see a respectable woman and a great vocalist,but also a joke,a puppet and a very limited artist -))
About Mariah Carey’s image,she’s influenced mainly by Marilyn Monroe that is her bigger inspiration.What do you see when you see Marilyn Monroe,Beyonce Knowles,Lady Gaga,Rihanna,Britney Spears,Paris Hilton,Pamela Anderson,Carmen Electra,Madonna,Sharon Stone,Tina Turner,Cindy Crawford,Naomi Campbell,Claudia Schiffer,Heidi Klum,Gisele Bundchen???
What do you see when you see these female superstars and legends ? Like Mariah Carey,all these women are praised everywhere worldwide not only for their respective talents,but also for their sexyness and beauty.
Educate yourself my dear,beauty and sexyness has nothing to do with porn.Is this Mariah your pet hate ? Or do you have a problem with every sexy and beautiful women? If you tolerate only ugly women,you have a very big problem and you’d better consult a psychologist.
By your silly comment,you just show to readers here how much you are ignorant and have a mediocre knowledge about art and beauty.You show to everyone how much your mind is creep and soil by porn.Otherwise,when you see Mariah Carey,you would see an incredible artist with an exceptional voice,an unique talent and a very impressive musicianship.
Very dear,this is not by Mariah’s fault if Celine is not sexy and beautiful.Unfortunately,she’s also not talented musically,she has only a good voice.Your hatred can’t and won’t change anything in these facts.Your little opinion can nothing in the fact that Mariah Carey is and will stay for billions of people,a very sexy,beautiful,respected and talented artist .
I don’t know what you’re doing here you in this debate,as everything about Celine and Mariah was clear here since many months.This is not your post that could change nothing in what lambs and Celiniacs had finally stated after so many months of discussions and comments.
I told facts.I keep saying Celine is not gorgeous and she looks averagely,but the most important is about her talent and accomplishments.By comparing Mariah’s musical talents and accomplishments with Celine’s,facts show Celine looks very average next to Mariah.
You said that I didn’t give any fact here? About you Celiniac,which fact can you give for Celine out of her Las Vegas show and concerts?
Do you think Celine is so great just because she has most success in concerts than Mariah ?
This debate is about the most successful artist between Celine Dion and Mariah Carey.Does musical achievements are resumed by concerts and tours? Since when Celine has an album selling 10 million worldwide ? Since when Celine has a single selling million worldwide? Since when Celine has a number 1 hit at Billboard Hot 100 ? Eurochart? What is Celine’s biggest hit for the whole last 2000 decade? How many top 10 Hits Celine has in Europe the last decade compare with Mariah? In America? In Asia? In Oceania? How many Grammy Awards Celine won the last decade?
Do you think that Celine equals or surpass Mariah just because she still successful in concerts?
Yes,Mariah Carey is the best singer of all times.I gave so many proves about it.
David Foster said that Celine was the greatest singer just because he’s a Canadian like her.Tommy Mottola wanted to upset Mariah when he said so in 1996 because Mariah had rebelled against him and Sony team and refused to make Pop ballad albums like Celine did.I remind you that Mariah’s debut album got the highest budget for a debut artist because Sony Team and Mottola known that she was exceptional.
In how many different musical genres Celine is able to sing compare with Mariah? How could she the best singer? Do Celine could ever do the half of what Mariah is able to do vocally ?the professionals,vocal coaches,other singers/superstars,opera singers,doctors,producers,etc… that all recognize Mariah’s range as true.Do you have better knowledge ? Funny !
Daphne Brooks – Instructor, Princeton University:“She is our greatest singing act that we’ve seen in decades, for decades and decades.”
“Our reality shows, they are contests so it’s about being able to triumph in a particular way that is spectacularly satisfying to the masses. And no artist has been more spectacularly satisfying at the level of singing in the past 20 years than Mariah Carey.”
David Lee Brewer – Opera singer/vocal coach:“She’s alone. She’s in her own category.”
“White America believed that they had found ‘The Great White Hope.’ White people everywhere believed that she was white singing like a black girl. And with such a voice! My God! All of my white friends,‘Have you heard this new Mariah Carey?’ All of a sudden Mariah Carey was all over the scene like in a splash.”
“Mariah Carey is a league of her own. No one can sing as high or as low. This means that you are a phenomenon. That’s what it means. The normal person has 2½ to 3 vocal range. Mariah is off the chart. She makes sounds. She has complete control of her vocal range. And why? Because she studied. She studied with a woman who happens to be her mother, who happens to be a colleague of mine, who’s an opera singer.”
“Her white legion of fans who believed her still identified with her. And because of that she was able to bridge every gap there was. Mariah Carey is single-handedly responsible for bridging the gap between Pop and Hip-hop, and Soul and R&B. She is responsible for bridging all of those. No other singer. She is.”
Diane Warren – Songwriter:“She wrote really accessible songs that have touched people. People connected with her.”
David Morales – DJ/Remixer/Producer:“She’s allowed to be a diva in this business as a female artist, as a professional because she is the bitch.
Don Lawrence -Vocal coach :” When Mariah first came up,I said ” this girl will be able to go higher vocally than any other artist ”
Toure,Rolling Stones :” She ( Mariah Carey )is one of top singers in the world ,the word “singer” took literally.”
Simon Cowell-” To sing a Whitney Houston song is very difficult,to sing a Mariah Carey song is a vocal suicide”.
Walter Afanasieff -” Mariah Carey is the discovery of the century,as artist and vocalist “.
Daphne Brooks – Instructor, Princeton University:“She is our greatest singing act that we’ve seen in decades, for decades and decades.”
“Our reality shows, they are contests so it’s about being able to triumph in a particular way that is spectacularly satisfying to the masses. And no artist has been more spectacularly satisfying at the level of singing in the past 20 years than Mariah Carey.”
David Lee Brewer – Opera singer/vocal coach:“She’s alone. She’s in her own category.”
“White America believed that they had found ‘The Great White Hope.’ White people everywhere believed that she was white singing like a black girl. And with such a voice! My God! All of my white friends,‘Have you heard this new Mariah Carey?’ All of a sudden Mariah Carey was all over the scene like in a splash.”
“Mariah Carey is a league of her own. No one can sing as high or as low. This means that you are a phenomenon. That’s what it means. The normal person has 2½ to 3 vocal range. Mariah is off the chart. She makes sounds. She has complete control of her vocal range. And why? Because she studied. She studied with a woman who happens to be her mother, who happens to be a colleague of mine, who’s an opera singer.”
“Her white legion of fans who believed her still identified with her. And because of that she was able to bridge every gap there was. Mariah Carey is single-handedly responsible for bridging the gap between Pop and Hip-hop, and Soul and R&B. She is responsible for bridging all of those. No other singer. She is.”
Diane Warren – Songwriter:“She wrote really accessible songs that have touched people. People connected with her.”
David Morales – DJ/Remixer/Producer:“She’s allowed to be a diva in this business as a female artist, as a professional because she is the bitch.
Don Lawrence -Vocal coach :” When Mariah first came up,I said ” this girl will be able to go higher vocally than any other artist ”
Toure,Rolling Stones :” She ( Mariah Carey )is one of top singers in the world ,the word “singer” took literally.”
Simon Cowell-” To sing a Whitney Houston song is very difficult,to sing a Mariah Carey song is a vocal suicide”.
Walter Afanasieff -” Mariah Carey is the discovery of the century,as artist and vocalist “.
“I love Mariah Carey. Her music has saved lives of children of the ghetto. Songs like “Vision of Love” gave us hope and the desire to sing her songs, trying to reproduce her notes, even if we could not. I do not think she knows she has played a large part of my life. And then when you meet her, you realize it is such a beautiful person, to defend when the media or other stars are attacking her. She does not deserve that.
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Mary J Blige
” I used to sing “Vision of Love” all the time in my shower using my toothbrush as a microphone.I looked up to Mariah a lot and I still do. I admire her as an artist, and to compete with her was a moment I will never forget for the rest of my life “.”
Rihanna
“Vision of Love” when I heard this song, I knew my mind was made up, I wanted to become a singer.”
Beyonce.
“The first singer that I’m really interested in was Mariah Carey when I was 12. Somehow, she learned me to sing, because you know I could not really pay me singing lessons. So I just listen to all her albums over and over again and learned her words.”
Nelly Furtado
“I watched “The Arsenio Hall Show” and Mariah sang “Vision of Love.” The way she used her voice, she had so much power. I knew then that I also wanted to make people feel what she had purchased. I bought all her albums and memorized her words. That’s all I wanted to make my day, singing songs by Mariah Carey.”
Nivea Hamilton
“I was obsessed! I remember when I heard “Vision of Love” and then I saw this young white woman with a black woman’s voice, and while it upset me. You can tell her she was an icon magic and everything I dreamed of being when I was in school, it is becoming Mariah Carey. She sang with a gospel choir around her and it was my dream. I just wanted to be her !”
Lucie Silvas
” From her first album till today ,her music is absolutely beautiful to listen to. I am touched by every note and her voice is practically on all notes of the piano.”
Anastacia
” I found out Mariah on the radio when I was in my room. And when “Vision of Love” is over, I ran down the stairs and I told my mother,“Mom, Mom, I just found the greatest singer in the world. I just heard the most beautiful voice in the world ”
Christina Aguilera
“I always told this story: when I was in prison and I heard for the first time “vision of love”, I said it was the hottest song in the world. I always used to say:“Dude! if only I could meet her !”
Snoop Dogg
” Mariah Carey is a perfectionist,every tracks from her albums proves that ”
Missy Elliott
” Vision Of Love Is an incredible song.Mariah Carey is an incredible artist”
Wanya Morris
” Mariah’s voice is like a cloud of emotion that surrounds you, and take you in a dream world ”
Fat Joe
See ?
Celine is good,but Mariah is the uncomparable,she’s incredible and very far beyond Celine,let’s just admit it. -)
The only reasons why Celine does not have agglophone hits this decade (she scored several french hits in the 00s) is because 1) she is doing adult contemporary music and not urban/hip hop or electropop which were the popular genres this decade 2) her label aims at album sales for Celine and not single sales. Even in 1998/1999 when she was at the height of her popularity her label barely released her singles physically. For example ”That’s The Way It Is” that became a hit in Us (#6) was never released commercially there. Its success was due to airplay alone. The CD single was only released many months later on the B Side of her single ”I Want You To Need Me”. Same way songs that could become hits were never released commercially on the right time such as ”A New Day Has Come” , ”I’m Alive”, ”I Drove All Night”. Not to mention that the Miracle album had no commercial singles AT ALL + the only commercial single of the last 2 projects (Taking Chances + My Love) was the song ”Taking Chances”. Another fact that proves what I’m saying is that Celine rarely shot video clips for her 00s English songs. I count like 8 music videos while she released 2 compilation albums, 4 studio albums and 1 live album. It is more than obvious Celine does not even try to have many English hits. Actually, in her career she has released about 140 singles and only 60 of them were released commercially (20 in French and about 40 in English).
So once lambs are asked about Mariah’s hard times at selling out stadiums
the response should be irrelevant to Celine’s single success. Celine does not try to sell her singles that much. This is crystal clear. That being said, Mariah does try to be successful at touring and sell out arenas everytime she decides to tour. The 3 major tours she did this decade were quite extensive (for her touring standards) but none of them managed to really sellout or even make an impact. Besides I don’t know why lambs who keep declaring Mariah as the best selling and most talented female artist can’t explain in simple words why the so called untouchable and popular diva has been unable for more than a decade to gather audiences when she is going on tours. I know successful touring is many times irrelevant to talent, but I never saw any other talented and well known mainstream artist being unable to sellout. And I mean #Never.
I also see lambs boasting about Mariah’s hits this decade. Yes she has
had hits and good for her. Nobody denies that. But every thing has 2 sides, not just one. Once we want to credit an artist for being successful at one area we have to take into account the ups and downs. The ups in this case would be songs like : 1) Thank God I Found You 2) Loverboy 3) I Know What You Want 4) We Belong Together 5) Shake It Off 6) Touch My Body 7) Obsessed and probs 8) I Want To Know What Love Is (For its success in Brazil) who really became popular. So there it is. Mariah had 8 good selling singles this decade. Good for her. It is more than Celine who had like 3 or 4 (If we count That’s The Way It Is).
How about looking at the downs of the whole thing ? The downs would be
1) Can’t Take That Away 2) Never Too Far 3) Don’t Stop Funkin For Jamaica 4) Last Night A DJ Saved My Life 5) Through The Rain 6) Boy (I Need You) 7) Bringing On The Heartbreak 8) Say Something 9) Fly Like A Bird) 10) Lil Love 11) My Love 12) Bye Bye 13) I’ll Be Loving You Long Time 14) I Stay In Love 15) Right To Dream 16) Hateu 17) Up Out My Face 18) Angels Cry 19) 100% 20) O Santa are all songs who failed to make
an impact on mainstream radios or charts. However, most of them were
released commercially + on mainstream stations + they were supported by music videos + most of them were songs of the urban rnb/hip hop genre.
So even the biggest argument of Mariah’s superiority this decade is pretty much invalid given the fact she’s not a stable seller. Actually facts show she’s been more unsuccessful than successful even in this area. Therefore, before lambs attack Celine for being unable to have hit songs (In English!) they should first take into account their own divas hard times at selling her music.
In terms of album sales this decade Mariah has TEOM that sold over 1om copies (and probs Rainbow). Celine has ANDHC and her compilation All The Way. I don’t see how any logic person would boast about Mariah having an album to sell over 10m this decade. The irony is that the rest releases are considered flops in terms of album sales. ”Memoirs Of An Imperfect Angel” sold a little more than 1m copies. None of Celine’s english studio albums has ever sold that low. ”Merry Christmas To You” sold a little more than 600k worldwide. None of Celine’s English studio albums has ever sold that low. Moreover none of Celine’s agglophone projects has ever received a limited worldwide release like Mariah’s latest album.
In terms of Grammy Awards, Mariah got her 5th Grammy in 2005. Celine had received her 5th Grammy in 1999. These are all established facts. I would rather ask lambs when was the last time Mariah was awarded in a market outside Us. :/
I don’t see how these arguments make sense. Actually they don’t make sense at all and I’m sorry to see people insisting in these unsupported theories.
Moving on…Celine Dion is not only praised by David Foster and Tommy Mottola (who actually have no personal motives to praise her talent). She has also been praised by music legends such as Barbra Streisand who said it was an HONOR for her to sing next to Celine, Lucciano Pavarotti who said he couldn’t have a better partner to do a duet, Andrea Bocelli, Michael Jackson (Probably the best entertainer ever lived) who actually went to see Celine’s performances in Las Vegas, Bee Gees who said Celine inspired them to write ”Immortality” and that it was a gift to collaborate with her, Peabo Bryson who said that there is no way you won’t fall in love with Celine once you get to sing with her, Thalia (best selling Spanish female singer) who cited Celine as her main influence and also praised her down to earth personality. Lara Fabian, Delta Goodrem, Michael Bubble, Il Divo, Luc Plamondon, Ricky Martin, Garou, Rihanna, Josh Croban have all praised Celine. Randy Jackson said she is unreachable. Simon Cowell and all judges put her on the same league as Whitney and Mariah and call them ”The Trinity”. Cher said that Celine Dion is the best voice in the business. Prince also praised Celine’s talent and even offered her a song. Prince Albert said her talent creates smiles of love all over the planet. Moreover, it is not just what people said. It is also what people did ! Actions can also show people’s admiration and respect towards an artist. The Pope chose Celine Dion to perform ”Une Colombe” when she was 16. Queen Elisabeth chose Celine Dion to perform ”Because You Loved Me” and ”The Reason” for the Royale wedding. Colloseum chose Celine for the biggest contract for a live entertainment deal in the history of music. The ceremony of Grammy Awards chose Celine to perform most times at the ceremony. Academy Awards also chose Celine to sing and as of 2011 she holds a record there too. Celine was chosen to perform at the 1996 Olympics and the result is the most poignant vocal performance to ever take place for an Olympic Games ceremony. Aren’t all these honors and establish proof of acclaim ? Yes they are. I don’t mention her countless appearances on Soundtracks because these are just commercial steps and don’t prove much. However, every person who is unbiased and fan of both Mariah and Celine can see that both artists are highly respected by the music industry. Celine doesn’t need Mariah’s acclaim and Mariah doesn’t need Celine’s acclaim.
Finally, Celine has been more consistent when singing live the past years. She was belting and sustaining powerful F5s in her latest tour in more than 132 while being in a bad vocal condition. The woman is a beast. Anyway…This does not take away Mariah’s greatness as a vocalist. I just can’t when reading biased unsupported comments of Celine being really behind Mariah. These are rather silly statements which only prove lack of music knowledge and fanaticism. I am not an ignorant and I am not stan so I know damn well what I’m talking about.
The End. <3
My mistake on Mariah’s singles. Reflections (Care Enough) did not make an impact, Against All Odds (Take A Look At Me Now) is an average hit and Don’t Forget About Us is a good selling single.
I also forgot to mention another argument that proves Celine’s label aims at album sales and not single sales. Even Celine’s biggest hit ”My Heart Will Go On” recieved a limited release in the world’s biggest market (Us) as only about 700k were available on music stores. It is a tactic Sony followed to boost the album sales of ”Let’s Talk About Love” and ”Titanic” Soundtrack. These steps make sense because it takes like 3 dollars to buy a single and like 1 dollar (the most) to download a single, while albums are always sold for like 15-25 dollars. This is what happens here in Europe too.
Albums usually cost from 18-22 Euros and singles price always pales in comparison. So in terms of proving popularity people should rather care about album sales, dvd sales and ticket sales in first place and then about downloaded singles. Besides even the most untalented artists can easily sell singles. All it takes is 1) doing mainstream music 2) having a suggestive/cool attitude and videos. This is why artists like Kesha, Rihanna, Katy Perry, Black Eyed P. have been scoring several hits. Are they big or even stable album sellers or successful touring artists ? Hell no.
Singles can be easily manipulated by the labels. Album sales can’t, exactly because albums cost way more. Tickets also can’t be manipulated at all.
Anyway my vote on who had the most successful career goes to Celine.
Mariah Carey is so much better
Mariah is the more talented
Like it or hate,Mariah Carey is far more successful than Celine Dion.I agree that Celine is also a very great seller like MC and that she surpasses Mimi only in concerts and tours.Yes,Celine is also praised by some celebrities and superstars but the important here is that Mimi surpasses her on it.But Mariah surpasses Celine in hits,influence,legacy and musicianship.Mariah also left some unique marks and records as producer and composer that even famous songwriters ,producers and composers like Diane Warren,Carole King,David Foster,Walter Afanasieff,etc. have to envy.Celine doesn’t have these kind of achievements at all.
Mariah is more successful than Celine,no doubt.
Mariah is still more impressive on stage than Celine.Even if she performs mainly R&B and Hip Hop songs the last decade that hide her incredible and unreachable vocal capability.Her ABC special Christmas prove that she’s unique.She has not only power,but also an incredible flexibility and versatility.Her voice stay as young and fresh as the 1990’s.Mariah’s live performance of Charlie Brown Christmas,One Child,Christmas Time Is In The Air Again,O Little Town Of Bethlehem,etc…prove that Mariah Carey is still The Voice !
Albums sales can be manipulated easily by labels and musical institutions that based their certifications and statements on estimations.
No matter if singles are cheap or expensive.Fact stay,Mariah is more successful than Celine in singles either in sales either in airplay Charts.
The only reasons why Mariah doesn’t have impressive success on tours this decade is because 1) she did a few concerts and tours at the time when she was the most popular and successful worldwide. 2) She started to give tours only after her Music Box album,but in a few different countries.So it’s normal that she doesn’t have successful tours nowadays,since her popularity decrease a lot relatively to the1990’s
To: All Mariah Carey Fanatic….
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MARIAH CAREY Cant Sing Anymooooooooooooooooore……………
Where is Mariah Today……..? Sleeping Every night…….
Celine Dion Still Performing At Las Vegas Every night
Millions Of People Around the world travel …..only to see her……
Its Very Very Very Idiot to say Mariah Carey I Better Than Celine Dion….
Even in Divas Live 1998 Mariah Carey is Like A horse…trying to reach those notes……..
while Celine;s Angel Voice is Crystal Clear……and her belting Voice so Clean……while Mariah is Like Sour Throat ..that why Mariah Was blown by Celine’s belting notes ……
until Now Still Celine Dion Rule the world when we speak about a Diva…………….and that’s the fact….
Mariah Cant sing Anymooooooooooooooooooorrrrrrrrrrreeeeeee…….
Even …..Most Musician around the world choose Celine to work with than Mariah Carey cant sing anymooooorrrreeeeee….
Mariah Carey’s song is meaningless her songs is all about party…….lust ..sex….etch…… she cant even make a song for her child……..if she can ..im sure the Title probably …..I want to be your doll…. touch my *****…….
my goodness …..
Even at Oscar Awards they always choose Celine Dion to perform than Mariah…..
Mariah is just whispering ……….& whistle anywhere ….in the song without meaning …..Remember what she does at MJ burial ???? such a disgrace………..if only Celine Dion Will Performed * give tribute to MJ Im sure all the world where move….not like Mariah did…..such a disgrace……
poor MoMo………Shes really trying hard to sing…………anymoooooooorrrrreeeeeeee………………………
Cant Sing Anymoooooooooooooreeeeeee period…
Okey Mariah…..just whispering anymooooooooooooorrrrrreeeee..
Celine Dion Still Amazing………She CAN easily sing her old songs…..
Most Contestant here in Philippines in singing contest use Celine Dion just to win.MAriah yes she cant sing anymore you CAN SEE SHE REALLY STRUGGLE TO HIT THE NOTES.
CELINE DION .still better & better everyday.
i like mariah i always have an erection evrytime she sing. Mariah wins.
Here in Philippines most contestant in singing contest use Celine Dion Songs to show a real vocal powers. I think Celine is more successful than mariah because she can still bring a big concourse of people to watch her show.
While Mariah Carey still Flopping 7 Flopping only few recognize her nowadays..Celine Can Sing \different kinds of languages….while mariah only english.
Celine can sing italian songs, spanish,French,English,etch..
Yes its true i saw Mariah Carey in youtube she really murder Holy Night
She really change tha whole songs shouting,whistle in wrong tempo,plus the shouting and applause the audience to praise Mariah they forgot the real meaning of the songs its all about Christ the Lord not about her ..Mariah’s whistle is so hurt to my eardrum.. NO WONDER Celine Dion Version is more popular in youtube Mariah Only got approximately 1 million followers
While Celine Dion has 12 million hahahaha and most people here still say Mariah is better hahahaha really funny..hahahahahaha….
Sorry haters,but Mariah is way better than Celine by all means.Celine never known how to sing dear honeys.She can only release nasal screams.
This camel called Celine can just make people laugh by her pull faces and jokes.Nothing to do with singing.
Mimi is talented enough to singing by HER OWN while Celine needed reputed vocalist to back up her nasal and dry voice and career.Moreover,The voice is able to create her own songs and produce them.Mariah is a real artist,not a parrot,neither a puppet.
MARIAH IS BETTER THAN CELINE ON STAGE,CELINE CAN’T SING ANYMORE !!!!
Mariah is called ” Queen of Christmas songs”.Her all time classic All I Want For Christmas Is You.Is the best selling Christmas single of all time.Her version of O Holy Night is the best version ever and the most popular worldwide !
Tony Bennett,Justin Bieber,etc…choose Mariah to sing in duet,while Celine clown in front of many thousand of people at Las Vegas.
Mariah is able to sing different musical genres while Celine only Pop/Ballad songs created and produced by other artists.
This is very very foolish to say Celine is better than Mariah.Mariah rules on Billboard next to legends as Beatles and Elvis Presley.Where is Celine ? Oh…sorry I forget that she make pull faces at Las Vegas.
Mariah held the record of the widest and most extended voice of all time by Guinness World Records. Celine ? Only her delusional fanatics try to say she has an special voice.
Mimi is ranked first at the 22 greatest voices of all time by MTV Countdown.etc…
You are just so ignorant and idiot to say that Mariah’s songs are meaningless.The Voice owns the lyrics of : Hero,Vision Of Love,Fly Like A Bird,Oh Santa,Make It Happen,My Saving Grace,Butterfly,Love Takes Time,We Belong Together,One sweet Day.etc..
Can you please tell me which meaningful song Celine sang that is created and produced by herself?
The Voice is so much better than Celine either in studio either on stage.Celine can only dream about Mimi’s riffs,runs,melismas and belts.
At least,Mariah is able to make a man getting an erection unlike Celine that couldn’t even if she stay completely nude.
Celine is an overrated artist,while Mimi is a living legend !
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